Forum logs for 02 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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funkenstein_	some light reading for you mats: http://www.codshit.com/bali.htm	[00:04]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I used "pegasus mail" client	[00:17]
decimation	was vastly superior to eudora & alternatives	[00:17]
ben_vulpes	madison dillon needs some practice	[00:17]
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mats	i dunno how to do the calculations for homemade explosive like that	[00:19]
mats	but that is of dubious authenticity	[00:19]
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mats	and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think	[00:23]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine	[00:23]
assbot	Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski	[00:23]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?	[00:26]
assbot	Logged on 01-07-2015 16:46:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something.	[00:26]
ben_vulpes	people raise such idiots	[00:26]
funkenstein_	mats, if interested, for completeness, https://web.archive.org/web/20030210220533/http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm	[00:29]
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funkenstein_	it's all public, old, and fiction. great writer though.	[00:30]
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mats	i miss blowing things up	[00:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00050398 = 40.3184 BTC [+]	[00:51]
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ben_vulpes	who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?	[00:55]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm	[00:56]
assbot	MICRO NUKES IN LONDON ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3umOp )	[00:56]
asciilifeform	'The April 1993 bomb was supposedly detonated in a parked garbage truck, but managed to create a huge crater in the road that was subsequently filmed by the media: another crucial error confirmed by independent explosives experts in Australia. The blast from most bombs takes the easiest path, in this case outwards then upwards to atmosphere. The crater could only have appeared if the bomb was dropped from an aircraft, or was b	[00:56]
asciilifeform	uried in advance. Forget the "garbage truck", which was merely a decoy device. The crater is very impressive, measuring roughly forty feet deep by sixty feet in diameter.'	[00:56]
asciilifeform	'... On the available evidence it seems the aspirations of a small arrogant bunch of men who decided to impose a "New World Order'" on a host of very unwilling small sovereign nations, did not think the exercise through to its perhaps inevitable conclusion. Those same arrogant men have placed tens of millions of citizens at risk because of their own gross incompetence and thirst for absolute power. The "New World Order" now se	[00:58]
asciilifeform	ems set to face the unbridled wrath of large numbers of citizens for many years to come.'	[00:58]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183998 << author argues (in piece linked above) that the 'dirty bomb' meme was a fiction crafted as a pill against just this.	[01:01]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:44; mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think	[01:01]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes still awake ?	[01:04]
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mats	lol	[01:11]
*	asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's shockwave sensor gadget (see old thread) has a dial mark for 'nuke'	[01:11]
mats	http://jelmertiete.com/2015/06/30/Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650	[01:11]
assbot	Difference between CC2630 and CC2650 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3wC8e )	[01:11]
decimation	asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies	[01:12]
asciilifeform	mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx'	[01:13]
decimation	plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground	[01:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway	[01:13]
asciilifeform	anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone	[01:15]
decimation	actually molten lead is pretty harmless	[01:16]
decimation	it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem	[01:16]
decimation	asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy	[01:17]
asciilifeform	when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident'	[01:18]
asciilifeform	mats: at this point it is rare for a commercial ic ~not~ to have functionality antifused out depending on product 'grade'	[01:19]
decimation	yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks	[01:19]
mats	right	[01:20]
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asciilifeform	to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	(in usa)	[01:20]
decimation	you can make it yourself I think	[01:22]
decimation	if you are nuts	[01:22]
asciilifeform	you can make whatever.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	just takes time.	[01:22]
*	asciilifeform wonders about laser decapping	[01:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-]	[01:24]
asciilifeform	speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle	[01:24]
*	asciilifeform has not personally attempted this	[01:25]
decimation	lol	[01:27]
decimation	so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts?	[01:27]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:28]
asciilifeform	main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal	[01:28]
asciilifeform	that, and the good heat conduction	[01:28]
asciilifeform	dark-coloured items with poor heat conductivity - e.g., stone - cut well.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	(though you get problems with stress fractures.)	[01:29]
decimation	https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=301&v=2yE7v4wkuZU < how to make fuming hno3	[01:31]
assbot	Make Nitric Acid - The Complete Guide - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zAtr )	[01:31]
asciilifeform	http://jelmertiete.com/images/2015-06-30-Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650-18-small.jpg << balun	[01:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zBNZ )	[01:31]
asciilifeform	(author did not identify it)	[01:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out	[01:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: in box	[01:31]
asciilifeform	problem is, your destroy mirrors, or - if very 'lucky' - your tube	[01:32]
asciilifeform	the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each	[01:32]
decimation	asciilifeform: it might be an inductor	[01:32]
asciilifeform	which is not even the worst part, but the chore of aligning the replacements	[01:32]
decimation	damn that's alot of cash for optics	[01:32]
asciilifeform	typically rare earths	[01:33]
decimation	I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy	[01:34]
decimation	https://cbi-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/unbundlinghoneywell2.jpg	[01:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zYYI )	[01:34]
decimation	^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron	[01:34]
decimation	the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets	[01:36]
decimation	it will control per-room temps on demand.	[01:36]
decimation	which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems	[01:37]
asciilifeform	i do a low-tech orc version of this	[01:38]
asciilifeform	with bare hands.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	no ipNohe-controlled servo needed.	[01:38]
decimation	aye me too	[01:39]
decimation	actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents	[01:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+]	[03:03]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually	[03:08]
ben_vulpes	(thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) << i missed this, somehow. link me?	[03:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2}	[04:26]
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ben_vulpes	yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin.	[04:40]
ben_vulpes	neat parallels to parasitism in nature.	[04:41]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story	[04:46]
assbot	Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort	[04:46]
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ben_vulpes	* ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware	[04:54]
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mats	lol @ rating	[05:01]
mats	;;ticker --bitstamp	[05:02]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)	[05:02]
mats	;;ticker --market bitstamp	[05:02]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042	[05:02]
mats	it slides	[05:03]
mats	speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh	[05:03]
shinohai`	The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such.	[05:05]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day	[05:14]
assbot	Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done	[05:14]
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ben_vulpes	only way to get work done with that kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch	[05:15]
ben_vulpes	i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me	[05:17]
ben_vulpes	fun with coordinate system transforms!	[05:17]
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ben_vulpes	bonus points for testing on heathen compilers << rather	[05:19]
ben_vulpes	i never got the static build on os x	[05:19]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184010 << served me this little wonder http://imgur.com/7aMTNRJ	[05:25]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 03:52:07; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm	[05:25]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2wjU8 )	[05:25]
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lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=725849473193 (Matthias Schmidt ; )	[05:39]
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punkman	lots of cosmic rays in germany eh	[05:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3}	[05:59]
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lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=9 (Richard Monk ; )	[06:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CczeuL )	[06:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2}	[06:34]
shinohai	What the hell happened in Alemania ?	[06:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+]	[06:45]
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punkman	http://i.imgur.com/Wz48TiO.png	[06:55]
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lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=47244640267 (Carsten Lenz ; ) \|\| Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=33281701584453 (Carsten Lenz ; )	[07:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047687 = 24.9165 BTC [-]	[07:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94464 @ 0.00047976 = 45.32 BTC [+] {2}	[08:03]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/tJ8QkBx.png	[08:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NyS8wi )	[08:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49139 @ 0.00049179 = 24.1661 BTC [+] {3}	[08:09]
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cazalla	shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them	[08:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00047487 = 2.5909 BTC [-]	[08:51]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:32]
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ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+	[14:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field what sort of speed ?	[14:33]
ascii_field	approx same speed as when i sync from own lan	[14:34]
ascii_field	i.e. cpu-bound	[14:34]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184251 << see the 'coke machine' thread	[14:36]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	haha perfect.	[14:36]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat	[14:36]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field or for you, for that matter.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	hence the entire line on trilema re herr flondor.	[14:37]
ascii_field	(ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!)	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	until such happens...	[14:37]
decimation	note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board	[14:38]
decimation	in case you forget who calls the shots	[14:38]
decimation	at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge	[14:39]
ascii_field	'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.'	[14:39]
decimation	ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles	[14:40]
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shinohai	I want to try and run a node on this xD https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/	[14:50]
assbot	Bitnodes Hardware - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzB2hQ )	[14:51]
ascii_field	shinohai: why?	[14:51]
ascii_field	that thing costs literally 10x a pogo	[14:51]
ascii_field	~and~ your purchase supports satan.	[14:52]
shinohai	true. I found a pogo on craigslist with a HDD	[14:52]
shinohai	even though i have like 4	[14:53]
ascii_field	speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even	[14:53]
jurov	anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe?	[14:54]
ascii_field	jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two	[14:54]
shinohai	I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt	[14:55]
shinohai	I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece.	[14:55]
ascii_field	shinohai: it all started with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988286	[14:56]
assbot	Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:56]
shinohai	I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD	[14:57]
shinohai	just no place to store teh blockchain on my router	[14:57]
ascii_field	shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router	[14:58]
ascii_field	so then i found one	[14:58]
shinohai	I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic	[14:59]
ben_vulpes	problem is chips not boxes	[14:59]
ascii_field	shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina	[15:00]
ascii_field	and dc power brick	[15:01]
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shinohai	I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage.	[15:02]
shinohai	So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them	[15:02]
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shinohai	I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.	[15:06]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:06]
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ascii_field	shinohai: what's that	[15:06]
shinohai	electrum bitcoin wallet	[15:07]
ascii_field	what i mean is,	[15:07]
ascii_field	why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.	[15:07]
shinohai	I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it.	[15:08]
shinohai	Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken	[15:08]
ascii_field	the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction.	[15:08]
ascii_field	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-038-049.pdf << carl force plea	[15:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:09]
shinohai	I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D	[15:10]
trinque	ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard.	[15:15]
trinque	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nob	[15:15]
assbot	Urban Dictionary: nob ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEt8n )	[15:15]
ascii_field	force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place'	[15:17]
ascii_field	the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight	[15:18]
ascii_field	so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy	[15:18]
mod6	ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator	[15:18]
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ascii_field	mod6: neato	[15:18]
ascii_field	mod6: make sure you '-connect'	[15:18]
ascii_field	rather than -addseed	[15:18]
mod6	yeah? i used -addnode	[15:19]
ascii_field	mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck	[15:19]
ascii_field	(one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control)	[15:19]
mod6	the reason i did is because of: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html	[15:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEWHC )	[15:20]
ascii_field	presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut'	[15:20]
mod6	you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode.	[15:21]
mod6	anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :]	[15:21]
mod6	glad i asked!	[15:21]
ascii_field	the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible	[15:21]
ascii_field	and arbitrarily cycles between them	[15:21]
ascii_field	whenever one disconnects	[15:22]
ascii_field	'-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip	[15:22]
ascii_field	(though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)	[15:22]
ascii_field	^ another thing to fix	[15:22]
trinque	the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing	[15:22]
ascii_field	trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds)	[15:23]
trinque	maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there	[15:23]
trinque	I haven't written c++ in about 8 years	[15:23]
trinque	wanna start getting my hands dirty	[15:23]
ascii_field	trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway	[15:23]
mod6	ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P &	[15:24]
ascii_field	neat	[15:25]
ascii_field	how many blocks in ?	[15:25]
mod6	20k	[15:25]
ascii_field	any stalls ?	[15:26]
trinque	I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with	[15:26]
mod6	not yet.	[15:26]
mod6	i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box.	[15:26]
trinque	yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand	[15:26]
mod6	haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet.	[15:26]
trinque	gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol	[15:26]
trinque	rather, which it wants to give the boot console to	[15:27]
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ascii_field	https://blockchain.info/address/14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE << l0l, it's still full	[15:30]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzG3H4 )	[15:30]
ascii_field	and who knew of it, to send the turds to ?	[15:31]
mod6	sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx	[15:32]
kakobrekla	that address, what of it?	[15:33]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession	[15:33]
kakobrekla	ah	[15:33]
ascii_field	somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his heap	[15:33]
trinque	mod6: seems like that'd be cool	[15:34]
trinque	moar botz!	[15:34]
mod6	lemme see..	[15:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4}	[15:39]
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mod6	113k	[15:46]
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mod6	%h	[15:52]
btcbot	[ %d \| %diff ] [ %tx ] [ %bal ] [ %m \| %mined ] [ %b \| %block ] [ %lb ] [ %tslb ] [ %h \| %help ]	[15:52]
mod6	%bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE	[15:52]
btcbot	[BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4	[15:52]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:52]
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ascii_field	mod6: neat! how does it work ?	[15:52]
mod6	it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON	[15:53]
mod6	%d	[15:53]
btcbot	[BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55	[15:53]
ascii_field	so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l	[15:53]
mod6	yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it	[15:54]
ascii_field	ah	[15:54]
mod6	for instance:	[15:54]
mod6	%bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9	[15:54]
btcbot	[BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0	[15:54]
mod6	arg! lol	[15:54]
mod6	somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that	[15:55]
mod6	%tslb	[15:55]
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mod6	aight might have to iron out some kinks.	[15:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+]	[15:58]
ascii_field	;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky.	[16:03]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:03]
assbot	Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKVpel )	[16:03]
ascii_field	;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum	[16:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:06]
punkman	;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9	[16:09]
gribble	11.93446524	[16:09]
jurov	i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere	[16:10]
ascii_field	whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas	[16:10]
ascii_field	which is pumped away	[16:10]
ascii_field	in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate	[16:10]
jurov	ic	[16:11]
punkman	http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11064341213388534269604581080473031895058	[16:12]
mod6	ah, punkman thanks lol.	[16:12]
assbot	Mall Operators Begin Cultivating Startups - WSJ	[16:12]
mod6	i didn't know it did that for some reason	[16:12]
mats	azonenberg is p cool	[16:20]
mats	i saw this some time ago when he tried with a cheaper laser: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html	[16:21]
assbot	Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKY2gf )	[16:21]
ascii_field	didn't i just like same	[16:22]
ascii_field	*link same	[16:22]
ascii_field	?	[16:22]
mats	er	[16:22]
mats	scuse me	[16:22]
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mats	i need some sleep	[16:23]
mod6	!up ascii_field	[16:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-]	[16:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2}	[16:41]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?!	[16:41]
assbot	Logged on 01-07-2015 04:17:01; decimation: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/	[16:41]
mod6	164k	[16:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2}	[16:48]
trinque	ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining	[16:53]
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mod6	!up ascii_field	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 o hey. nice.	[17:07]
mod6	well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff.	[17:07]
mod6	haha	[17:08]
mod6	oh but yah, im sync'in	[17:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+]	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside.	[17:12]
assbot	Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	and then fell.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	on her.	[17:13]
ascii_field	'find some meat!' (tm) (r) ('doom2')	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	o boy.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	"Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad.	[17:16]
trinque	intel made his apparatus for him, iirc	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183929 < nice.	[17:18]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	trinque yeah there is that.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play.	[17:20]
trinque	http://newsroom.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-8690-5835/Hawking_press1.jpg << lol @ him being a (slowly) moving billboard	[17:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NA4IvN )	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ?	[17:20]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know	[17:20]
ascii_field	more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra'	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	same thing.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	omfg hawking is SEVENTYthree.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability.	[17:22]
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mod6	!up ascii_field	[17:27]
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funkenstein_	george clinton one year older, still on tour	[17:28]
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ascii_field	http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks	[17:32]
assbot	404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA7AZJ )	[17:32]
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trinque	ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives	[17:34]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184349 << somebody oughta do a 'gcov'	[17:43]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there	[17:43]
ascii_field	it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful	[17:44]
ascii_field	https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Invoking-Gcov.html#Invoking-Gcov	[17:44]
assbot	Invoking Gcov - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAa4aq )	[17:44]
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ascii_field	'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'	[17:48]
shinohai	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3bv90j/if_exchanges_arent_safe_places_to_store_bitcoin/cspt1hp	[17:48]
assbot	the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv )	[17:48]
ascii_field	^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ?	[17:48]
ascii_field	and worthy of correction	[17:48]
ascii_field	(speaking of 'getdata' here)	[17:49]
ascii_field	shinohai: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-06-2015#1164408 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164411	[17:50]
assbot	Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts	[17:50]
assbot	Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.	[17:50]
kakobrekla	>Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]".	[17:52]
kakobrekla	lol!	[17:52]
trinque	ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend.	[17:54]
trinque	ty	[17:54]
mod6	180k	[17:55]
ascii_field	290160+	[17:55]
lobbes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-07-2015#1184191 << shit, you are right.	[17:56]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked	[17:56]
lobbes	Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass	[17:56]
lobbes	thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it	[17:57]
kakobrekla	lobbes yeah at least on ircd side	[17:57]
punkman	irc limit	[17:57]
shinohai	heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice.	[17:57]
ascii_field	also need with what to buy!	[17:58]
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kakobrekla	!up ascii_field	[17:58]
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ascii_field	(laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit)	[17:58]
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decimation	shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you?	[18:00]
ascii_field	(world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...)	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	shinohai where is here ?	[18:01]
shinohai	I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank	[18:02]
shinohai	but meh, i hated coinbase anyway	[18:02]
kakobrekla	for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:04]
decimation	shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet?	[18:04]
shinohai	yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down	[18:05]
shinohai	Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity"	[18:05]
ascii_field	isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?	[18:05]
kakobrekla	unless you are registered terrorist	[18:06]
trinque	ayep	[18:06]
shinohai	yeah, i no longer have a BoA account	[18:06]
trinque	BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account	[18:06]
trinque	then charges you overdraft fees	[18:06]
trinque	goto 10	[18:06]
ascii_field	why anyone uses it is beyond me	[18:06]
kakobrekla	has 'america' in the name?	[18:06]
ascii_field	my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now	[18:07]
decimation	see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law'	[18:07]
decimation	it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go	[18:07]
ascii_field	(once became dominant)	[18:07]
ascii_field	usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time	[18:08]
decimation	it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans'	[18:08]
ascii_field	(and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed)	[18:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4}	[18:09]
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shinohai	;;ticker	[18:11]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 255.15, Best ask: 255.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 255.01, 24 hour volume: 18016.50885563, 24 hour low: 253.0, 24 hour high: 262.61, 24 hour vwap: None	[18:11]
ascii_field	in other 'news', https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Disappointments.html#Disappointments	[18:11]
assbot	Disappointments - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAgczp )	[18:11]
ascii_field	^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago	[18:12]
ascii_field	'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.'	[18:12]
ascii_field	'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.'	[18:12]
ascii_field	(what hypothesis? that one - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086641 )	[18:12]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.	[18:12]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184255 <<< most i did was 1000mg, sweet spot was around 600-700 for me	[18:13]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps	[18:13]
trinque	did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened	[18:13]
ascii_field	gotta love this attitude	[18:13]
ascii_field	'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'	[18:14]
trinque	that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual	[18:14]
shinohai	The #b-a purple drank	[18:15]
ascii_field	aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up	[18:15]
ascii_field	had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter	[18:15]
ascii_field	https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Fixed-Headers.html#Fixed-Headers	[18:15]
assbot	Fixed Headers - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAh9b9 )	[18:15]
decimation	ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict?	[18:16]
decimation	after all, there can be only one /usr/include	[18:16]
*	ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care	[18:16]
ascii_field	'hey hey, ho ho,' glibc 'has got to go'	[18:16]
decimation	drepper presaged poettering	[18:16]
ascii_field	shoot it, bury, pour cement.	[18:16]
ascii_field	poettering is small change	[18:17]
ascii_field	drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe	[18:18]
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trinque	and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds	[18:22]
ascii_field	long, long ago.	[18:23]
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ascii_field	http://ewontfix.com/12	[18:29]
assbot	EWONTFIX - Breakincludes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkwi4 )	[18:29]
ascii_field	^ pretty lulzy site overall	[18:30]
ascii_field	recommended.	[18:30]
ascii_field	e.g., http://ewontfix.com/14	[18:30]
assbot	EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkKpA )	[18:30]
decimation	the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl}	[18:31]
decimation	^ from source package (.spec)	[18:31]
ascii_field	decimation: relevant:	[18:31]
ascii_field	'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by	[18:31]
ascii_field	pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.'	[18:31]
ascii_field	the whole thing just desperately needs to die	[18:32]
ascii_field	http://ewontfix.com/1	[18:32]
assbot	EWONTFIX - Introducing EWONTFIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAlcEb )	[18:32]
decimation	what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc	[18:33]
ascii_field	'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race	[18:34]
ascii_field	conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'	[18:34]
ascii_field	^ who wants to try ?	[18:34]
ascii_field	(apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl')	[18:34]
ascii_field	http://www.musl-libc.org/how.html << works - or claims to - with stock gcc on existing system	[18:35]
assbot	musl - How to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwxQnI )	[18:35]
ascii_field	'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq)	[18:36]
ascii_field	win.	[18:36]
decimation	lol	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+]	[18:38]
ascii_field	'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!	[18:38]
ascii_field	'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;	[18:39]
ascii_field	however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.'	[18:39]
ascii_field	^ not quite fire-and-forget	[18:39]
phf	maze of twisty little passages, all alike	[18:40]
decimation	well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget	[18:40]
decimation	did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!'	[18:40]
phf	mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	seems to be the consensus so far.	[18:41]
decimation	ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols"	[18:42]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, seems we have our first protestor http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/#comment-29863	[18:42]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier.	[19:12]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.	[19:12]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:14]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184310 << Prolly need more power, once bitcoind is sync'd electrum-server generates a whole new tens of gigs database of its own... You can ask Jurov about that	[19:14]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.	[19:14]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184577 << aaaaand to nobody's great surprise, go try, 'crossdev x86_64-pc-linux-musl', barfs in 'stage2'	[19:15]
scoopbot_revived	Line betting on BitBet, June 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2015/	[19:15]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!	[19:15]
ascii_field	and the only search result for the barf turns up: http://pastebin.com/U4Q3X7X0	[19:15]
assbot	/var/tmp/portage/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-musl/gcc-4.6.3/work/build/./gcc/xgcc -sha - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEOsY )	[19:15]
ascii_field	circa 2012.	[19:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEZ7y )	[19:17]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[19:17]
shinohai	you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind	[19:17]
ascii_field	wai wat	[19:17]
ascii_field	shinohai: 'small bitcoind' vs what ?	[19:19]
shinohai	vs. electrum	[19:20]
ascii_field	weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way	[19:22]
ascii_field	that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary	[19:22]
ascii_field	there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet'	[19:23]
ascii_field	it was screamingly stupid from day 1.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183975 << what's it at by now ?	[19:24]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+	[19:24]
ascii_field	294300+	[19:24]
kakobrekla	well that one goes all the way back to satoshi.	[19:24]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: aha	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[19:25]
kakobrekla	from the era of unencrypted wallets	[19:25]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	you both have a solid point.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display.	[19:26]
ascii_field	hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	paid my foot.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	usg isn't even paying lawsky's pension.	[19:27]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses.	[19:28]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority	[19:28]
ascii_field	http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman << like this	[19:28]
assbot	CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwGnHf )	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables.	[19:29]
ascii_field	possibly	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	nothing's fickler than the socialist.	[19:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-]	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183999 << no i know, was just amusing.	[19:30]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.	[19:31]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.	[19:34]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184025 << nah, it's drastically visible. you're basically saying "i couldn't spot a firefly because everything generates a little radiation"	[19:37]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass.	[19:40]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	well... an inkling of an idea.	[19:41]
decimation	no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'	[19:41]
decimation	to accomplish a similiar level of background	[19:41]
decimation	to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself	[19:41]
decimation	my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'	[19:44]
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kakobrekla	like Semipalatinsk for example	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	but the former does not. it IS very visible.	[19:47]
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decimation	yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs	[19:50]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?"	[19:51]
assbot	Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?	[19:51]
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decimation	danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?	[19:52]
decimation	I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire	[19:52]
danielpbarron	yeah but it doesn't amount to much	[19:52]
trinque	16,832 of 20,000 according to the site	[19:52]
danielpbarron	basically only attracts a bunch of losers	[19:52]
trinque	committed to move	[19:52]
trinque	^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community	[19:53]
trinque	and the ron paul people	[19:53]
danielpbarron	they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry	[19:54]
decimation	well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists	[19:54]
danielpbarron	euphemism* \ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign	[19:54]
decimation	as in, one woman for multiple men?	[19:54]
danielpbarron	pretty much	[19:54]
danielpbarron	they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is	[19:55]
decimation	lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power	[19:55]
danielpbarron	with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems	[19:55]
trinque	danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female	[19:55]
trinque	decimation: lol	[19:56]
trinque	I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on	[19:56]
trinque	in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"	[19:57]
danielpbarron	yep, that.	[19:57]
danielpbarron	and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama	[19:57]
danielpbarron	it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship	[19:58]
shinohai	The single life for me	[19:59]
trinque	framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is	[19:59]
decimation	emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?	[19:59]
decimation	aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form	[19:59]
trinque	muh poor foreskin	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already	[20:00]
danielpbarron	at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures	[20:00]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate	[20:01]
trinque	danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol	[20:01]
trinque	least you actually read the book	[20:01]
danielpbarron	it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment	[20:02]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs	[20:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama	[20:03]
shinohai	Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ?	[20:03]
danielpbarron	shinohai, ya	[20:03]
shinohai	I thought I noticed something about it on your site.	[20:03]
shinohai	I tend to avoid religious materials.	[20:05]
danielpbarron	as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year	[20:05]
danielpbarron	and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker)	[20:05]
trinque	I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.	[20:06]
danielpbarron	last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others)	[20:06]
trinque	so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you	[20:07]
trinque	might've been something like what the USA was back when	[20:07]
danielpbarron	you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery	[20:08]
mats	lol	[20:09]
trinque	danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism"	[20:09]
decimation	yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations	[20:09]
trinque	decimation: socialism plus weed!	[20:10]
danielpbarron	lots of weed!	[20:10]
decimation	note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed	[20:10]
mats	how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb	[20:10]
danielpbarron	hahaha	[20:10]
danielpbarron	i saw a bunch playing poker actually	[20:10]
danielpbarron	one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian	[20:10]
mats	maybe ill go next year	[20:10]
danielpbarron	and took the host for over 1k	[20:10]
danielpbarron	you totally should	[20:10]
mats	i try not to stand out too much	[20:11]
danielpbarron	you will be the coolest person there	[20:11]
danielpbarron	!gettrust assbot mats	[20:11]
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danielpbarron	and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night	[20:12]
danielpbarron	"i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough	[20:13]
mats	how would these people know what that is	[20:13]
danielpbarron	many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross	[20:14]
decimation	lol. "crypto enthusiasts"	[20:14]
mats	i have had a tricky time broaching the subject	[20:15]
danielpbarron	which subject?	[20:15]
mats	first impression goes well, second time around its like...	[20:15]
mats	who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly	[20:15]
shinohai	I like wot. it requires discipline.	[20:15]
mats	bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250	[20:16]
danielpbarron	if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place	[20:16]
danielpbarron	people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing	[20:17]
danielpbarron	even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it	[20:17]
mats	invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists	[20:17]
mats	and i get that	[20:17]
danielpbarron	that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either	[20:17]
decimation	me neither	[20:18]
danielpbarron	i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast	[20:18]
mats	well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents	[20:18]
danielpbarron	one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt	[20:18]
mats	being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing	[20:18]
danielpbarron	i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that	[20:19]
decimation	lulz	[20:19]
mats	regular folk need https	[20:20]
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mats	we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful	[20:22]
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mats	it encourages mythical distrust of computers	[20:22]
mats	things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks	[20:23]
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trinque	sure, from the mitm perspective	[20:23]
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trinque	they're still probably working on an utterly infested device	[20:23]
trinque	mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https	[20:24]
trinque	rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS	[20:24]
danielpbarron	mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me	[20:25]
trinque	lol @ "I'll expose you!"	[20:26]
trinque	danielpbarron: was it this guy?	[20:26]
trinque	http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0c9109c71ea0524d9fe840f91fabd67bb94a26a9/r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/onpolitics/2013/02/14/geraldo-3_4.jpg	[20:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FWoIme )	[20:26]
danielpbarron	no he had more of the meth addict look going for him	[20:27]
lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) \|\| Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; )	[20:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )	[20:27]
trinque	somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years	[20:29]
shinohai	that blkcut utility is bitchin'	[20:34]
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mod6	cool shinohai	[20:44]
mod6	192k+	[20:44]
asciilifeform	trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions	[20:45]
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trinque	asciilifeform: yeah, I see your point	[20:46]
asciilifeform	the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella	[20:50]
asciilifeform	(not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)	[20:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust	[20:52]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 23:18:16; mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers	[20:52]
asciilifeform	and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~	[20:52]
asciilifeform	particular people.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?!	[20:53]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept	[20:54]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire	[20:54]
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asciilifeform	just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr	[20:54]
asciilifeform	in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system	[20:55]
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trinque	asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans	[21:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'	[21:01]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry	[21:01]
asciilifeform	trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists'	[21:02]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184640 << a bit of a fundamental misconception here. 'emacs' in particular is ~not~ a 'text editor', but a kind of poor man's lisp machine. and is used as such by many folks	[21:09]
assbot	Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.	[21:09]
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trinque	asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems	[21:10]
trinque	"holy shit, stallman was trying to cram a version of this environment into unix"	[21:10]
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asciilifeform	trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms	[21:10]
trinque	in my historical wanderings, I learned of zmacs	[21:11]
trinque	I guess there's a whole lineage of things which ended up being called emacs	[21:11]
trinque	asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!"	[21:12]
trinque	no offense to mr laddel	[21:12]
asciilifeform	trinque: mno. because it doesn't (except in the most minimal sense) try to handle unixisms ~from within~	[21:12]
asciilifeform	the difference is important	[21:12]
trinque	ah	[21:12]
trinque	well, there are plenty of wads o' elisp that try to do that very thing	[21:13]
trinque	not that I use any of them	[21:13]
asciilifeform	elisp, incidentally, is a world-class turd	[21:13]
asciilifeform	more or less a throwback to very impoverished 1970s lisps	[21:13]
asciilifeform	(e.g., dynamic scope)	[21:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0005079 = 12.0372 BTC [+]	[21:17]
trinque	seems damned javascript-y, though I know it preceded that	[21:20]
asciilifeform	trinque: thing is, 'lispy' interpreters written in a hurry by students end up being all quite alike	[21:20]
asciilifeform	for fundamental reasons	[21:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00051884 = 31.6492 BTC [+]	[21:21]
*	trinque afk for a bit	[21:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 500 @ 0.0025 = 1.25 BTC [-]	[21:42]
asciilifeform	http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html	[21:47]
asciilifeform	and, interestingly, https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage	[21:47]
assbot	sabotage-linux/sabotage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHyzO )	[21:47]
asciilifeform	mod6, possibly: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_musl	[21:48]
assbot	Project:Hardened musl - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHIY0 )	[21:48]
asciilifeform	http://buildroot-busybox.2317881.n4.nabble.com/PATCH-0-5-Support-for-musl-based-external-toolchains-td52730.html << buildroot apparently supports it	[21:54]
assbot	Buildroot (busybox) - [PATCH 0/5] Support for musl based external toolchains ... ( http://bit.ly/1dADYyn )	[21:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50231 @ 0.00051398 = 25.8177 BTC [-] {2}	[22:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00051347 = 13.8637 BTC [-]	[22:24]
asciilifeform	meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0	[22:28]
assbot	BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLsEym )	[22:28]
shinohai	but your bitcoind shall decimate correct asciilifeform	[22:29]
asciilifeform	..?	[22:30]
asciilifeform	shinohai: i must point out that it isn't 'mine', but therealbitcon's (in the face of ben_vulpes and mod6)	[22:30]
shinohai	it must make XT a distant memory	[22:30]
shinohai	fair enuf	[22:30]
asciilifeform	i just made a couplea patches	[22:30]
shinohai	overall foundation	[22:31]
asciilifeform	(most of which are, at present time, considered highly experimental and will not be making it into a release any time soon)	[22:31]
shinohai	is there a node list i should consider?	[22:31]
asciilifeform	shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up	[22:32]
asciilifeform	188.68.240.167	[22:32]
asciilifeform	it is running his own personal, unpublished port of bitcoind	[22:32]
shinohai	so -connect flag is sufficient?	[22:32]
asciilifeform	since, i think, 2011	[22:32]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:32]
*	shinohai ^ did not know that	[22:32]
asciilifeform	shinohai: my understanding is that mircea_popescu, with the help of trusted phriendz unknown to us, did something quite like therealbitcoin, early on	[22:33]
asciilifeform	for the specific purpose of running mpex	[22:34]
shinohai	interesting.	[22:35]
shinohai	Such rich and mysterious history	[22:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1173899	[22:38]
assbot	Logged on 24-06-2015 02:59:50; mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever said anything about that.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks	[22:38]
asciilifeform	which is what we, in particular, care about, for this purpose.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	and that it uses the traditional blkxxxx format to keep said blocks in: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-06-2015#1182019	[22:39]
assbot	Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt	[22:39]
asciilifeform	and, possibly, that he did the Right Thing and sawed off wallet into a separate mechanism: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284	[22:41]
assbot	Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?	[22:41]
asciilifeform	and that's pretty much it	[22:42]
asciilifeform	if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	other than that, 'take it or leave it'	[22:42]
decimation	asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'?	[22:42]
*	asciilifeform can't comment re: 'electrum', never used	[22:43]
asciilifeform	does it know how to communicate over a serial cable with a full node ?	[22:43]
asciilifeform	or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack	[22:43]
shinohai	mircea_popescu has already provided an ample amount of reading between logs and trilema xD	[22:44]
*	asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with	[22:44]
decimation	it uses a tcp connection with a special block server I think	[22:44]
asciilifeform	ugh	[22:44]
asciilifeform	needs a custom bitcoind ?	[22:44]
asciilifeform	wtf is the point	[22:45]
decimation	yeah I think so, not sure	[22:45]
decimation	https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel"	[22:45]
assbot	spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLtISX )	[22:45]
asciilifeform	ick	[22:46]
decimation	apparently it gloms onto rpc port	[22:46]
asciilifeform	no thx	[22:46]
decimation	what would an 'electrum replacement' need?	[22:46]
asciilifeform	what is the purpose of said replacement ?	[22:46]
decimation	okay, you have serial line connected to bitcoind	[22:47]
asciilifeform	elementary	[22:47]
decimation	how do I find txns for accounting in my wallet	[22:47]
decimation	and send txns	[22:47]
asciilifeform	thing on the other side needs to know how to sign a tx	[22:47]
decimation	aye	[22:47]
asciilifeform	the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result	[22:47]
decimation	account belongs on the public side?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	account ?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	public ?	[22:48]
decimation	essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns	[22:48]
shinohai	I can't get electrum right for shit. I did a test tx using pywallet to import a privkey	[22:48]
asciilifeform	decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public'	[22:49]
decimation	this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do	[22:49]
asciilifeform	the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes	[22:49]
decimation	so need to query for my txns	[22:49]
asciilifeform	query the cutout (said full node)	[22:50]
decimation	across serial cable?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:50]
decimation	okay, well that's essentially what electrum server does I guess	[22:50]
decimation	except this feature could be integrated into bitcoind	[22:50]
asciilifeform	except i'm not sure why this requires GBytes of rubbish	[22:50]
asciilifeform	and weird dependencies	[22:50]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:50]
decimation	well, yeah	[22:50]
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decimation	!gettrust DanyAlos assbot	[22:52]
assbot	Trust relationship from user DanyAlos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=DanyAlos&to=assbot \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/	[22:52]
asciilifeform	https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d << mega-l0l	[22:54]
assbot	Breaking the house — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITq8zW )	[22:54]
decimation	http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. "	[22:55]
assbot	Sniffing could provide autism test - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqaYA )	[22:55]
asciilifeform	'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to “confuse” our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per	[22:55]
asciilifeform	iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.'	[22:55]
decimation	lol why do they need to give seed	[22:57]
asciilifeform	same reason 'satoshi dice' did ?	[22:57]
asciilifeform	the whole 'provably fair' thing	[22:57]
decimation	why not build physical source of entropy	[22:57]
asciilifeform	because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source	[22:58]
asciilifeform	same reason vegas uses prng (supplied, incidentally, by usg)	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00052155 = 10.6135 BTC [+]	[22:58]
decimation	if house always wins, people will realized and move on	[22:58]
*	asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones	[22:59]
asciilifeform	one obvious observation, however, is that 'house' can never prove that it had not shared its seeds with a shill	[23:00]
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decimation	yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block	[23:00]
asciilifeform	whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day	[23:00]
decimation	heh good point	[23:00]
asciilifeform	iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this	[23:01]
asciilifeform	it was never claimed	[23:01]
asciilifeform	now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem	[23:01]
asciilifeform	(see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol')	[23:02]
asciilifeform	but afaik this was never pursued by anyone.	[23:02]
decimation	I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet	[23:02]
asciilifeform	decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit	[23:04]
asciilifeform	http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/poker-is-hard-especially-for.html << see also shamir's famous 'mental poker'.	[23:05]
assbot	A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Poker is hard, especially for cryptographers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITruKY )	[23:05]
asciilifeform	^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar.	[23:05]
decimation	interesting.	[23:06]
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asciilifeform	http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape	[23:11]
assbot	XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLvIKF )	[23:11]
asciilifeform	based on yet another piece of qemu cruft	[23:11]
decimation	how much worse is docker?	[23:12]
asciilifeform	(not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.)	[23:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: not comparable	[23:12]
asciilifeform	afaik	[23:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape?	[23:12]
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asciilifeform	decimation: that's not an escaper	[23:12]
asciilifeform	it's a known backchannel, yes	[23:12]
asciilifeform	but not an arbitrary code exec thing	[23:12]
decimation	aye	[23:13]
trinque	decimation: docker's a piece of shit for its own reasons	[23:20]
trinque	yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system"	[23:21]
trinque	whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces	[23:23]
trinque	the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root	[23:23]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea	[23:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:23]
assbot	Rossem/RedditStorage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITu3wI )	[23:23]
decimation	people have emphasized docker's security benefits	[23:23]
asciilifeform	gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root	[23:24]
trinque	assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure!	[23:24]
decimation	asciilifeform: maybe you can use systemd to boot it	[23:25]
trinque	I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen	[23:26]
trinque	and also, docker sets up and manages its own fancy virtual network between your containers	[23:26]
trinque	so probably loads to be done to that thing too	[23:26]
shinohai	i use docker on hashbang, but it is like a Rube Goldberg cartoon	[23:27]
trinque	shinohai: yeah I used it on deedbot to make a final judgment	[23:27]
trinque	fuckinthingsucks.gif	[23:28]
decimation	does docker actually emulate a hardware nic like qemu	[23:28]
shinohai	For instance, this may have been a forerunner of BTCXT http://notquant.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rube.gif	[23:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuS8z )	[23:29]
trinque	decimation: I believe so; inside your container you have your own network device	[23:30]
trinque	shinohai: not byzantine enough	[23:30]
asciilifeform	http://torrentfreak.com/elsevier-cracks-down-on-pirated-scientific-articles-150609 << somehow missed this when it was 'news'	[23:30]
assbot	Elsevier Cracks Down on Pirated Scientific Articles \| TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuXJs )	[23:30]
mats	no, it doesn't do device emulation	[23:30]
decimation	asciilifeform: https://universonline.nl/2015/07/02/dutch-universities-start-their-elsevier-boycott-plan	[23:31]
assbot	Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan \| Univers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv2gh )	[23:31]
mats	http://www.slideshare.net/jpetazzo/introduction-to-docker-and-a-bit-more-at-lspe-meetup-sunnyvale << according to this doc	[23:31]
assbot	Introduction to Docker (and a bit more) at LSPE meetup Sunnyvale ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv3kh )	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14032 @ 0.00052155 = 7.3184 BTC [+]	[23:31]
mats	slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV	[23:32]
decimation	asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi?	[23:32]
decimation	isn't it based in ukraine?	[23:33]
asciilifeform	usg colony	[23:33]
asciilifeform	among the most eager to slurp up the cock	[23:33]
decimation	seems lik an opportunity for ru	[23:33]
asciilifeform	ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick	[23:33]
asciilifeform	so doubtful	[23:33]
decimation	lulz	[23:34]
decimation	what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling	[23:35]
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decimation	mats: it seems to be chroot with some device/pid/ipc space sharing	[23:37]
trinque	mats: looks like it might be coming https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9983	[23:39]
assbot	Proposal: Network Drivers · Issue #9983 · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLxH1A )	[23:39]
mats	ic	[23:46]

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