Forum logs for 03 Jul 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation | http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat." | [00:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00052155 = 15.2032 BTC [+] | [00:01] |
assbot | Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG ) | [00:01] |
decimation | apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat' | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it. | [00:03] |
decimation | only if they feel you 'pose a threat' | [00:04] |
decimation | http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office." | [00:05] |
assbot | Obama Confuses 'White House' For 'Prison' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTdNuj ) | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.' | [00:06] |
decimation | heh | [00:06] |
decimation | http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/google-dev-apologizes-after-photos-app-tags-black-people-as-gorillas/ < lolz | [00:13] |
assbot | Google dev apologizes after Photos app tags black people as “gorillas” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA4BF ) | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf << related mega-classic | [00:14] |
assbot | A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh ) | [00:14] |
decimation | asciilifeform: this is terrible news, now all learning algorithms are going to need 'political filters' | [00:15] |
decimation | like a party political officer in every server | [00:15] |
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asciilifeform | logical extension of 'party member in every elevator ride in every office' | [00:16] |
decimation | maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | (a scamarket, naturally, consists of a crown concession to perpetrate a particular kind of scam.) | [00:18] |
decimation | note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | wai wut | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | thinking of the guild system ? | [00:20] |
decimation | yeah, plus 'crown monopolies' | [00:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00051347 = 21.9252 BTC [-] | [00:39] |
mod6 | 107+ | [00:52] |
mod6 | er 207+ | [00:52] |
asciilifeform | 306200+ | [00:52] |
asciilifeform | looks like these are going at about same rate | [00:52] |
mod6 | nice | [00:53] |
mod6 | how long have you been sync'ing for now? 2 days? | [00:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16849 @ 0.00051347 = 8.6515 BTC [-] | [00:55] |
asciilifeform | approx. 35 hrs | [00:55] |
mod6 | ah sweet. | [00:55] |
mod6 | typical sync via irc seeding took me ~6 days | [00:56] |
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mod6 | seems like this is going faster, but we'll see how long it takes to go from 300k-350k | [00:56] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2115 @ 0.00051347 = 1.086 BTC [-] | [01:15] |
trinque | http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/facebook-wants-to-get-inside-your-brain-20150703-gi3jjg << lol, facebook is going to invent brain-computer interface telepathy! | [01:21] |
assbot | Why Facebook wants to get inside your brain ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdZ47E ) | [01:21] |
trinque | the bullshit never ends | [01:21] |
trinque | Since Facebook's 2012 IPO, it has needed a compelling "story" to tell corporate investors, says IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick. << btw the new meaning of the quotation mark in english is herein lie lies | [01:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00052027 = 2.1721 BTC [+] {2} | [01:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00052161 = 22.4553 BTC [+] {2} | [01:36] |
trinque | ffa | [01:49] |
trinque | whoops | [01:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.00052295 = 53.3148 BTC [+] {2} | [01:52] |
trinque | http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/cnn-to-broadcast-corporate-propaganda-as-news.html << "news-like" content | [01:53] |
assbot | CNN to Broadcast Corporate Propaganda as News? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAL4AS ) | [01:53] |
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trinque | something suitable for the human-like creatures eating food-like matter on a couch-like object in a home-like hovel they quasi-own | [01:58] |
asciilifeform | lulzily, continuing old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181581 , http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/us-cuba-embassy.html | [01:59] |
assbot | Logged on 30-06-2015 04:33:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc | [01:59] |
assbot | US, Cuba to Reopen Embassies | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALG9P ) | [01:59] |
asciilifeform | or rather, http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/how-to-resolve-american-property-claims-in-cuba.html | [01:59] |
assbot | How To Resolve American Property Claims In Cuba? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALMy9 ) | [02:00] |
asciilifeform | (why not the claims of old spain? of indians?) | [02:03] |
trinque | in that case I'd like to claim my family's pre-mussolini wealth from italy | [02:06] |
trinque | adjusted for inflation, please. | [02:07] |
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BingoBoingo | More of Reddit punching itself https://archive.is/x1dPs | [02:31] |
assbot | Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made private? : OutOfTheLoop ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7tqbQ ) | [02:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00052718 = 28.7577 BTC [+] {2} | [02:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00052728 = 11.9165 BTC [+] | [03:08] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53699 @ 0.00051251 = 27.5213 BTC [-] {3} | [03:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00052728 = 32.5859 BTC [+] | [03:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00052893 = 42.7375 BTC [+] {2} | [03:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19056 @ 0.00052919 = 10.0842 BTC [+] | [03:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32253 @ 0.00051169 = 16.5035 BTC [-] | [04:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 248 @ 0.00429723 = 1.0657 BTC [+] {3} | [05:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00051147 = 27.6194 BTC [-] | [06:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28445 @ 0.00052969 = 15.067 BTC [+] {2} | [07:09] |
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mircea_popescu | ascii_field o hey. sweet. anything unusual ? | [15:46] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: in node? not thus far | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | ragnarok of dissapoint! | [15:47] |
ascii_field | well i haven't 'eatblock'ified anything past 217335 yet | [15:47] |
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mircea_popescu | there is that. | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | anyway i'll feel a lot better about this world and my life once this has been actually reviewed by third parties. ie , you. | [15:48] |
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ascii_field | mircea_popescu: at present, i doubt that we'll turn up any oddities in the blocks per se | [15:49] |
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mircea_popescu | right. i don't think so either. | [15:49] |
ascii_field | what i did learn is that mapBlockIndex grows linearly (300 bt) for every block ever seen. | [15:50] |
ascii_field | that that in order to change this, it'd have to live on disk | [15:51] |
ascii_field | (naturally, cached) | [15:51] |
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mod6 | !up ascii_field | [15:52] |
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mod6 | shinohai: ok let's work through it | [15:52] |
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mats | dignork: i'm looking forward to a test drive | [15:52] |
shinohai | @ mod6 I think I should start with a bare build. the other one is fine, son't want to touch it xD | [15:52] |
shinohai | *don't | [15:53] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future. | [15:53] |
mircea_popescu | i suspek computing is moving towards joint ram/disk anyway. | [15:53] |
mod6 | yeah, that's what i was saying before: leave your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as-is. Then setup a new environment to give the "stator" build a try -- is pre-patched, so should be able to compile and run, or if your slightly more daring, just run the included pre-compiled (by alf) binary (ensure to check sigs first!) | [15:54] |
shinohai | kk but the whole reason I want to do this is so I can try the new patches by ascii_field, the blockdump | [15:55] |
mod6 | sure, ok. so what we'll need to do (and even I haven't tried patching those in myself yet) is to extract the stator, then apply the patches. | [15:56] |
mats | that'll be interesting when the dichotomy vanishes. linux has been adding support for persistent memory afaik | [15:56] |
mats | 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked | [15:56] |
mod6 | lemme give it a shot on my end first, see what happens so I can give you valid help | [15:56] |
mod6 | just a minute here. | [15:56] |
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mats | nothing merged so far though | [15:57] |
trinque | jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? requiring that on my mailserver's end has drastically cut down on spam, but I think that's causing me to miss mailing list messages | [15:57] |
trinque | it it's too much trouble, don't worry about it | [15:57] |
trinque | for some odd reason spam botnets don't seem to bother at all with tls being required | [15:57] |
trinque | maybe a performance thing | [15:57] |
trinque | I went from 100s of spamz a day to 0 with this one weird trick. | [15:58] |
punkman | mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release | [15:58] |
shinohai | There should be a super-secret #b-a mining pool. | [15:59] |
trinque | shinohai: isn't the idea that you want your pool as big as possible? | [16:00] |
trinque | (not that I don't like secret clubs) | [16:00] |
shinohai | ^ truth | [16:01] |
shinohai | stratum mining proxy already forked to accept larger blocksize :/ | [16:02] |
trinque | meh, dunno why any miner would want that | [16:04] |
trinque | http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum | [16:05] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv ) | [16:05] |
mod6 | one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures. | [16:05] |
mod6 | punkman: ok. i thought we had decided to leave the miner in there for now. but yeah, thanks I'll let ya know. | [16:06] |
mod6 | we've got quite a lot to do before we're there anyway. | [16:06] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/ | [16:06] |
assbot | No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWpDKb ) | [16:07] |
trinque | is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ? | [16:07] |
* | trinque reads the ml message, derp | [16:08] |
mircea_popescu | mats quite. | [16:08] |
mircea_popescu | many people's ideal machine. | [16:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86283 @ 0.00049137 = 42.3969 BTC [-] {3} | [16:09] |
BingoBoingo | OH SHIT /R/BUTTCOIN forcibly reopened by Chairman Pao https://i.imgur.com/1woKG9P.png | [16:12] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqavO ) | [16:12] |
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trinque | important business lawl | [16:13] |
mats | BingoBoingo: this must be a hoax | [16:13] |
trinque | https://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-GB&q=Reddit+alternative#q=Reddit%20alternative&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B7 | [16:14] |
BingoBoingo | Who knowsanymore with reddit | [16:14] |
assbot | Google Trends ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqj26 ) | [16:14] |
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mircea_popescu | lol it was closed ?! | [16:16] |
shinohai | The plot thickens | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | why was it closed. | [16:16] |
punkman | because they fired some chick | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | buttcoin had employees ?! | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits. | [16:16] |
punkman | no, reddit fired a chick, moderators closed down subreddits in protest | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo is this going on qntra ? | [16:17] |
mircea_popescu | goies nicely with the discussion of that time when they fucked up deleting a qntra article iirc. | [16:17] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Reddit death already had a big one. This one's getting a quick note | [16:18] |
phf | mod6: it would be nice to have an mbox or maildir tgz for the mailing list with all the attachments still included. took me couple of hours to reconstruct and verify patch list, while could've been done in matter of minutes with procmail and mimetools | [16:18] |
trinque | phf: you could crawl that patches page maybe | [16:18] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo kk | [16:18] |
trinque | I didn't know the patches page existed til today | [16:19] |
mircea_popescu | heddesk | [16:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00048994 = 6.8018 BTC [-] | [16:24] |
scoopbot_revived | No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/ | [16:24] |
phf | trinque: tbh i thought it was broken, since it's missing chicken, gui, etc. only once i went through the exercise of making my own did i realize that those are not part of mailing list history | [16:24] |
trinque | ah, yeah | [16:24] |
mod6 | So a bunch have patches have been submitted in the last month. A read through each of the emails is kindof required at this point because they all have specific instructions and dependantcies. | [16:25] |
mod6 | I will work on a patch list and maybe a script later this month. It is a bit hard to follow. | [16:25] |
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mod6 | I'll work on something for that within the next week probably. | [16:27] |
scoopbot_revived | Further Reddit Outrage as Unpaid Moderators Rebel http://qntra.net/2015/07/further-reddit-outrage-as-unpaid-moderators-rebel/ | [16:30] |
BingoBoingo | On that note, I'll brb in a few units of time. | [16:32] |
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mod6 | phf: anyway, what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve? | [16:32] |
shinohai | The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try and take over the world! | [16:34] |
trinque | !b 2 | [16:34] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CT1TGM.txt ) | [16:34] |
mod6 | ex: are you trying to patch v0.5.3 to get to v0.5.3.1? (You can just download the release tarball). Are you trying to patch v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with alf's patches? (must read emails to figure out the deps, OR you can just build the stator which includes all of alf's patches with exception of dumpblock & eatblock), those must be patched post extraction of the stator tarball -- of which im actually testing now. | [16:34] |
* | trinque puts the laptop in the freezer while it builds boost | [16:35] |
mod6 | which, btw, they hvae patched in just fine... building the whole thing now. | [16:35] |
mod6 | (with openssl/bdb/boost) | [16:35] |
mod6 | I'm creating a log of this, and will post for everyone to look at once complete. | [16:35] |
* | shinohai thanks mod6 for the dedication | [16:37] |
mod6 | yw :] | [16:37] |
mod6 | heh, this boost compile is taking a while, because i'm also syncing at the same time haha | [16:37] |
shinohai | I'm almost @ block 200000 | [16:38] |
mod6 | good deal! | [16:38] |
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shinohai | Then when I get this new build up, I can sync up to the correct nodes, and .torrent dat chain. | [16:39] |
phf | mod6: i don't necessarily have problems, i have a bitcoind with all the patches up to eatblock (haven't looked at stator yet, but then i'm building with enemy tools). the way i assembled patches is by reading through web archive and saving/verifying each patch as i saw it | [16:39] |
mod6 | ahhh | [16:40] |
mod6 | can you point me to the web-archive you're using? just curious. | [16:40] |
phf | the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface | [16:40] |
phf | mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html etc. | [16:41] |
assbot | The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf5e7s ) | [16:41] |
mod6 | ahh. im not sure i remember mbox. and yeah, the whole thing is a bit... unwieldly | [16:41] |
mod6 | so wait, you're just going through each email and pulling out patches? or are you on that part of jurov's website with the signed patches? | [16:42] |
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phf | mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" | [16:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00048928 = 3.2292 BTC [-] {2} | [16:43] |
mod6 | <+phf> the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface << so, what I've done in the past was; create a perl script that pulls down and verifies all the patches and applies them to a common baseline. | [16:44] |
mod6 | plus, create a How-To guide. Both of which need updating for the flurry of recent patches that have been submitted. Just haven't had a chance yet. | [16:44] |
mod6 | <+phf> mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" << im not sure what their process is. | [16:45] |
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funkenstein_ | "southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks | [16:47] |
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phf | mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the next email | [16:49] |
mod6 | ok, i like mutt :] | [16:49] |
mod6 | are you asking me to write an email client script? | [16:49] |
mod6 | basically, instead of me making a whole bunch of different one-off scripts for peoples seperate clients and whatever stack they've got, I just create one script that will patch in & verify all the scripts at once. usually after I've tried and tested them all myself, peronsally. | [16:51] |
mod6 | But I've only started scratching the surface with alf's latest, so this hasn't been done yet. All of these are still in my "Highly Experemental" category. AKA: use at your own risk. | [16:51] |
phf | mod6: no, i'm asking you to provide an archive of raw messages as they were received and stored by mailman. something like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October.txt, but withtout attachments split into separate files | [16:51] |
mod6 | But as I get through more of these and test more of these, I'll put something together to make this process easier. | [16:52] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [16:53] |
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shinohai | mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD | [16:53] |
mod6 | phf: there are specific reasons why the attachments are split into separate files. | [16:54] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185550 << yes problem. because pogo. | [16:55] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 18:49:20; mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future. | [16:55] |
ascii_field | and because infinitely growing data structures is what gods made disk for | [16:55] |
ascii_field | not ram | [16:55] |
phf | mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows | [16:55] |
ascii_field | ('disk' in the broad sense of relatively slow, inexpensive place to park bits) | [16:55] |
mod6 | phf: yeah, im not sure what you're asking for | [16:56] |
mod6 | jurov: can you parse this and understand what he's talking about?? ^^^ | [16:56] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185556 << unix on a single-addressspace box is mega-l0l | [16:56] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 18:52:21; mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked | [16:56] |
mod6 | [jurov run's the mailman stuff, so he'd be probably more apt to grok whatever your asking for ] | [16:57] |
trinque | what are you guys building stator on? | [16:57] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185565 << imho the miner must live | [16:57] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 18:54:52; punkman: mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release | [16:57] |
ascii_field | (discussed in old threads) | [16:57] |
ascii_field | ~reference client~ MUST have some example of working miner. | [16:57] |
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ascii_field | put it this way, if tomorrow you are shipped to alpha centauri with just the reference client, you must be able to set up bitcoin there. | [16:58] |
jurov | um...er... if you want whole emails..then just receive them? | [16:58] |
jurov | i don't understand, either | [16:58] |
shinohai | ikr, I get it all in the mailing list, no confusion there. | [16:59] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185644 << terrible idea | [17:00] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 19:44:53; phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then | [17:00] |
ascii_field | may as well use 'git' etc. then | [17:00] |
trinque | could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff" | [17:00] |
trinque | which you can apply or not | [17:00] |
ascii_field | the point, which i've been trying and apparently failing to make for ages, is that if you are thinking about automating this, you are 'doing things wrong' | [17:01] |
ascii_field | the manual gymnastics on command line should be a ~VANISHINGLY~ small fraction of your efforts | [17:02] |
ascii_field | when reviewing patches | [17:02] |
ascii_field | if they loom large, it is because you are not spending the requisite effort | [17:02] |
ascii_field | in reading | [17:02] |
phf | jurov: i only joined the conversation recently, so i don't have a complete history of emails. of course i'm getting complete emails now, but not the past ones | [17:02] |
shinohai | I don't think I would want an automatic solution in that regard. | [17:02] |
ascii_field | my point is that this is Not Like Other Projects | [17:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138950 @ 0.00048433 = 67.2977 BTC [-] {4} | [17:04] |
jurov | i have nothing against publishing the mailbox | [17:05] |
* | trinque respects the various buttons he's created for himself to do all kinds of destructive things | [17:06] |
jurov | but you sorely underestimate the work needed to put together http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html | [17:06] |
trinque | but I see the point clearly | [17:06] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf74VU ) | [17:06] |
phf | ascii_field: having a turnkey solution is not the intent behind my request (though i prefer tools in my mail client to messing around with lynx/wget.) i'm interested in having a "take to mars" copy of bitcoind history. right now it's a bit all over the place. patches here, email text there, etc. | [17:06] |
ascii_field | fair | [17:06] |
jurov | and info for columns "released in"/"based on" must be done manually anyway | [17:06] |
jurov | (donations welcome) | [17:07] |
ascii_field | probably the most dire omission is any 'family tree' for the patches | [17:07] |
mats | no takers for 0.1BTC to pick up a pogo so far huh | [17:09] |
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mats | ill bump it up to 0.25 to subsidize purchase of 1tb spinning disk or a SSD | [17:09] |
ascii_field | mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd | [17:10] |
ascii_field | or won't lay block in <10min | [17:10] |
ascii_field | (no ram for caching!) | [17:10] |
mats | o | [17:10] |
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shinohai | @ mats O.o 0.1 to buy pogo wid ? | [17:12] |
mats | wid? | [17:12] |
shinohai | *with | [17:12] |
Jautenim | ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180981 tried today and failed | [17:12] |
assbot | Logged on 29-06-2015 04:05:44; *: BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon | [17:12] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [17:12] |
mats | 0.25 to buy pogo for purpose of setting up node, if you are L1/L2 | [17:13] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185579 << no. stands alone (just add distfiles for deps) | [17:13] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 19:03:32; trinque: is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ? | [17:13] |
ascii_field | it was meant to be a picture of my (at the time) set | [17:13] |
shinohai | I *think* i am a lowly 1 >.< | [17:13] |
Jautenim | I coaxed it to compile the turd but segfaults straight away | [17:13] |
trinque | ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known | [17:13] |
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ascii_field | ^ where ? | [17:13] |
trinque | I'll paste | [17:13] |
ascii_field | uclibc ? | [17:13] |
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ascii_field | or ordinary glibc | [17:14] |
trinque | no glibc and gentoo hardened | [17:14] |
ascii_field | odd | [17:14] |
trinque | I'll restart from the beginning and paste the whole thing | [17:14] |
mats | !gettrust shinohai assbot | [17:14] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user shinohai to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/ | [17:14] |
ascii_field | presently i suspect that 'musl' is the only glibc replacement that has any promise | [17:14] |
phf | jurov: i'm not in a position to make suggestions to the way things are done in the republic :) i used patches.html, i found some issues with it from the perspective of figuring out what transpired before i started paying attention, so i did extra work on top. cura te ipsum. i figured having mailbox available will make the works of others after me easier | [17:15] |
ascii_field | (author explicitly subscribes to the 'short, readable, and compatible' thing) | [17:15] |
mod6 | i saw that comment yesterday, I briefly looked at it's page ascii_field, I'll take a deeper look at musl soon. hopefully that'll get us further? | [17:15] |
ascii_field | last night i looked into doing a 'buildroot' with it | [17:15] |
ascii_field | but presently haven't the time to do a proper job of it | [17:16] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185596 << i may be thick - what is being admitted to here ? | [17:16] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 19:12:49; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits. | [17:16] |
jurov | phf why you're not in such and such position? | [17:17] |
mod6 | ok shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt | [17:18] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYJMZi ) | [17:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00048783 = 22.367 BTC [+] | [17:19] |
shinohai | ty mod6 reading nau | [17:22] |
mod6 | that btw, was built on x86-64 deb6/glibc env. | [17:22] |
shinohai | Should build on Jessie np | [17:22] |
mod6 | it should allow you to sync off of mp's blockchain w/the appropriate cmdline params and then do dumpblock/eatblock when it's finished or whatever you like. | [17:23] |
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shinohai | awesum | [17:23] |
mod6 | !up ascii_field | [17:23] |
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mod6 | :] | [17:23] |
jurov |
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ascii_field | mod6: waitasec, that's a valid build | [17:24] |
ascii_field | but didn't you say 'barfed' ? | [17:24] |
mod6 | when? | [17:24] |
trinque | jurov: ty | [17:24] |
jurov | [17:24] | |
ascii_field | mod6: ah no, that was trinque | [17:24] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185716 | [17:24] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 20:09:32; trinque: ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known | [17:24] |
trinque | yar, rebuilding now | [17:24] |
mod6 | ascii_field: i did have a problem with it a number of days ago when I first tried it, but it was just an environment related issue. this build, I literally just did it, worked fine. | [17:24] |
mod6 | ah ok | [17:25] |
trinque | I wanna do some gcov work this weekend | [17:25] |
mod6 | and trinque, did you hvae that -fPIC issue on gentoo with uClibC? that's the same error I was talking about all last month and in the SoBA | [17:25] |
trinque | yeah but this is glibc | [17:25] |
trinque | my lappy | [17:25] |
mod6 | ah hmm | [17:25] |
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mod6 | so phf brings to light a good point, reading through the email list, especially if you haven't read the b-a logs from oct-14 on is probably more than a bit hard to follow. ascii_field brings up a good point about having a 'family tree' | [17:29] |
mod6 | there are a number of different directions these emails go in; patching for v0.5.3.1, pogotronic, gentoo, etc, etc. so I'll try my best to make this apparent when I write up a patch list, etc. | [17:30] |
mod6 | i'm not sure what to do about this as far as the email list is concerened, yet. | [17:30] |
ascii_field | mod6: i kinda assumed you and ben_vulpes would roll the patch sequence docs into releases | [17:30] |
ascii_field | (iirc this was the case in 5.3.1 actually) | [17:31] |
mod6 | yah. we would certainly put all the patches applied to a specific baseline into RELEASE_NOTES.txt as it was for v0.5.3.1 | [17:31] |
jurov | phf, if you can make better patchlist, are you willing to contribute your script? | [17:32] |
shinohai | That would be the easiest, releases | [17:32] |
mod6 | but pre-milestone release, it does get hard to follow. and since I do believe it'll still be some time before we get the next milestone cut, I should prepare some sort of document so individuals can help test. (we very much appreciate the enthusiasm and the help!) | [17:32] |
shinohai | I have little better that piques the imagination | [17:33] |
mod6 | anyway, we'll get there. | [17:34] |
mod6 | a wise man told me once: life is short and art is long. | [17:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00048783 = 16.9277 BTC [+] | [17:35] |
phf | jurov: i don't think there's complete understanding as to what should go into patchlist yet. the one we have now is fine, and i'm sure it will be improved | [17:36] |
phf | i was actually taking a harder position, if somebody wants to follow along they should read the mailing list from the beginning, and having it all accessible in one place for offline reading helps | [17:38] |
mod6 | and really, if you wanna follow along, it helps to have the historical timeline 'in head' as well by reading the logs since last October. | [17:38] |
mod6 | it can't hurt anyway | [17:39] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185572 << these appear to be in entirely random order... | [17:42] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 19:01:15; trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum | [17:42] |
ascii_field | ^ jurov ? | [17:42] |
jurov | i see | [17:42] |
mod6 | oh yeah, now that page was the one i was referring to; i find it pretty unhelpful at all unless you're looking for just who submitted/signed & the sig. | [17:43] |
mod6 | not that I have any better ideas at this point. | [17:44] |
mod6 | phf: was this the page you were trying to follow? | [17:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00049972 = 29.8583 BTC [+] {2} | [17:44] |
jurov | phf: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/btc-dev.mbox.xz | [17:45] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBQtWt ) | [17:45] |
jurov | not auto updated, url subject to change | [17:45] |
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phf | jurov: thanks! | [17:46] |
mod6 | !rate shinohai 1 Helping to test the bitcoin Reference Implementation | [17:46] |
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mats | https://i.imgur.com/mVkykL1.jpg | [17:46] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBQGce ) | [17:46] |
mod6 | !rate trinque 2 Provided much assistance with Gentoo | [17:47] |
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mircea_popescu | buncha amateurs the people in this country i swear... | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | i've not seen the likes of it since romania. | [17:50] |
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ascii_field | mircea_popescu: ? | [17:51] |
kakobrekla | mod6 the prefix is '!v' | [17:52] |
mod6 | !v assbot:mod6.rate.shinohai.1:166411dcdc19e0619447eec6756b67e99dd3dd7c8ac794832a8fdf651173e770 | [17:52] |
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mod6 | thanks kakobrekla | [17:52] |
mod6 | !v assbot:mod6.rate.trinque.2:169cd6f50f90268d762985db26d2684aae73f0608210b216475944c337511014 | [17:52] |
assbot | Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to 2 with note: Provided much assistance with Gentoo | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field what is "the very important business" a reddit chapter seeded and mostly fed by usg's own something awful crew would conceivably be doing iyo ? | [17:52] |
ascii_field | aha that | [17:53] |
ascii_field | was speaking of the 'in this country' bit | [17:53] |
shinohai | o/ ty mod6 | [17:53] |
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kakobrekla | !up ascii_field | [17:54] |
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mircea_popescu | ah. just a buncha stupid kids "trying" like the entire world were a kindergarten and "best effort" were a thing and really, we're just playing here. | [17:54] |
mod6 | thanks for your help shinohai | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | !rated shinohai | [17:56] |
assbot | You have not rated shinohai. | [17:56] |
shinohai | glad to be of at least some minuscule service | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | !rate shinohai 1 New blood. | [17:56] |
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assbot | Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: New blood. | [17:56] |
shinohai | ty mircea_popescu | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184112 << either the only person figuring this shit's funny was german, or else they suffer from the disadvantage of being the second largest thing in nato. | [18:01] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 09:30:01; assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2} | [18:01] |
mats | eh | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184130 << running out of random letter combinations over at the start-up culture plant/ | [18:03] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 12:44:57; punkman: just go wih it | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184142 <<< o.O so this is worth what, like 30 bn or so ? | [18:04] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 13:01:45; ronaz: on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184181 o.O | [18:05] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 15:51:49; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | oh nm, 30k of which some actually did 20 euro alrighty. | [18:05] |
mats | https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc loll | [18:06] |
assbot | Pétition · Ellen K. Pao: Step down as CEO of Reddit Inc. · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBT0jw ) | [18:06] |
Duffer1 | lmao | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | no dude, she's doing a great job. let her stay. | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | she's even better than that fucktardina chick that sunk hp | [18:06] |
ascii_field | 'heightening the contradictions' (tm) | [18:07] |
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mats | she may even be ready for a presidential run in 2020 | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | i gotta say i absolutely am loving the choices of women to put "in tech" the enema's makin'. | [18:07] |
mats | the first asian woman!!1 | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | straight out of asshole. | [18:07] |
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mircea_popescu | mats he's azn ? | [18:08] |
mats | ellen pao is asian | [18:08] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't she from baltimore or something | [18:08] |
mats | i mean, she's yellow. kinda asian. | [18:08] |
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mats | first-generation chinese-american | [18:09] |
mircea_popescu | a ok. | [18:10] |
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* | mircea_popescu never got what difference it makes | [18:10] |
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mircea_popescu | o.O | [18:10] |
ascii_field | meowmix ? | [18:10] |
mats | well, further you get from immigrant parents, more retarded you usually get | [18:11] |
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mircea_popescu | didn't work so well for obama this theory | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | isn't he straight from kenya ? | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | well... "hawaii"./ | [18:11] |
ascii_field | hawauenya | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | is that the car brand ? | [18:11] |
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mircea_popescu | mats i mean i could see it in usage like "e transilvanean de-ai nostri", ie, "he's one of ours". but that's for a minuscule and very culturally coherent ethnic group. | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | "asian" is about as descriptive as "the country of earth"./ | [18:13] |
decimation | he's the bastard son of a kenyan | [18:13] |
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mircea_popescu | i guess she does look distinctive enough, and since presidents are more about looks than actors... myeah ok | [18:14] |
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mircea_popescu | alrighty, i'm sold. ellen pao 2016! | [18:14] |
ascii_field | ellen nao! | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | first asian woman in tech president ftw. | [18:15] |
ascii_field | for emergency clitler | [18:15] |
mats | welp, she does speak mandarin fluently, so she has that going for her | [18:15] |
ascii_field | why wait | [18:15] |
shinohai | The WH lineup for 2016 is a circus already. | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | mandarin is best spoken influently. | [18:15] |
decimation | note that obama is not 'black' in the sense of being ethnically like most black africans who live in the us | [18:15] |
ascii_field | can help organize the cn surrender, too | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | but bar that, i guess fluently is good enough | [18:15] |
shinohai | * Herbert Hoover and his wife also spoke Mandarin, so what? | [18:15] |
decimation | they generally come from wester africa | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | decimation i am broadly unconvinced the concept of ethnicity makes any sense in africa. | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | the french just started using it cca 1800 as if, and nobody really discussed the matter. | [18:16] |
mats | i speak mandarin influently. my cantonese is pretty good, though. | [18:16] |
decimation | as in, doesn't exist? | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | as in, is not meaningful. | [18:16] |
mats | this makes literacy... tricky | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | for one thing, it's not clear what "ethnicity" without a written culture would be. | [18:16] |
shinohai | tradition | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | this isn't a lego car where all the pieces match shinohai | [18:17] |
shinohai | lel no | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | decimation gotta bear in mind that "ethnicity" is not a thing, just a word we use for the thing. it's a map. that a map is flat and a place is round does not mean the round place has no geography | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | but it may mean the map doesnt work for describing it./ | [18:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00050067 = 38.6768 BTC [-] {2} | [18:18] |
decimation | so there's 'no meaningful difference' between igbo in nigeria and a majang in ethiopia? | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | i do not know. | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | i do know it is upon the proponent to ~prove~ rather than just assert that the tools we developed to discuss and analyse the "terra irredenta" movements in italy cca 1800 are also applicable or meaningful in black africa. | [18:19] |
decimation | well, my point is that obama is from the Luo people | [18:19] |
* | mircea_popescu never bothered with it, but is this luo people an internal or an external identity ? | [18:20] |
decimation | my understanding is internal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_people_of_Kenya_and_Tanzania | [18:20] |
assbot | Luo people of Kenya and Tanzania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaA8fm ) | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | ie, is it equivalent to saying "one of the terrorist people" or to "one of the lordship" ? | [18:20] |
decimation | they have their own language | [18:22] |
decimation | or at least dialect | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [18:22] |
decimation | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_dialect | [18:22] |
assbot | Luo dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaAliD ) | [18:22] |
decimation | "The main Luo livelihoods are fishing, farming and pastoral herding. Outside Luoland, the Luo comprise a significant fraction of East Africa's intellectual and skilled labour force in various professions. Others members work in eastern Africa as tenant fishermen, small scale farmers, and urban workers." | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | impossible to discern how much is a case of "the missionary used a word to best describe what he saw" and "we have created a structure through normal function". anyway, minor point. | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | like all of africa. | [18:22] |
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ascii_field | in other nyooz, 340100+ | [18:23] |
shinohai | I finally hit 205000 | [18:24] |
decimation | anyway, my earlier meta-point was that I theorize that many voted for obama because he was black but 'not that kind of black' | [18:24] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: trying to recall - was it you who tried to parallel-process the signature checks ? | [18:24] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ascii_field | [18:24] |
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mircea_popescu | i do not think so ascii_field | [18:24] |
ascii_field | hm | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | shinohai you also getting off mine ? | [18:24] |
ascii_field | notice that sync above block 200k or so is cpu-bound | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | decimation prolly. who the hell knoiws why people vote | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field very much would be. | [18:25] |
shinohai | @ mircea_popescu yes your node is my sole connection. | [18:25] |
shinohai | I wanted clean db | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | i think i said this before, but in any case bears repeating insistently : larger blocks are a complex discussion that will involve many and numerous benchmarking. it's not the simple matter idiots make it out. | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | shinohai aha cool then. no spurts or weird disconnects or anything ? | [18:26] |
* | ascii_field believes that we already have pretty large blocks | [18:26] |
decimation | aye | [18:26] |
decimation | go to blockchain.info and watch the waterfall of txns | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field get a load of this : three days of random, odd internet behaviour, discussed here publicly, which then went away by itself. i did nothing to the server, i asssume neither did you. | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | what is this magic / | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | i would expect a stuttering engine to go on stuttering until discarded. | [18:26] |
shinohai | No, mircea_popescu it has actually been faster than when I previously synced, less memory footprint ramwise | [18:26] |
kakobrekla | the truth be this or that, if the majority of miners takes up big blocks pogos and company is phucked | [18:27] |
decimation | maybe it was the work of the volunteer diggers in san francisco | [18:27] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla i welcome the verification of this theory in the field. | [18:27] |
decimation | kakobrekla: that's why the reference implementation ought to be written to appeal to miners | [18:27] |
kakobrekla | hah | [18:27] |
mats | yes, a model with 8mb and 20mb blocks would be interesting | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine so would you : a bankrupt field of miners best chance to buy cheap mining rigs for a long time | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | but in any case : money talks. not "power rangers" and not the 0.3% ROI miners. and if moneys says fuck you everyone goes home and tries something else for next year's costume party. | [18:28] |
decimation | kakobrekla: it's not as stupid as it sounds | [18:29] |
decimation | what miners want to deal with bitcoind correctness | [18:29] |
shinohai | What amazes me is it has synced this far in < 1 day | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | shinohai why should it amaze you ? | [18:29] |
shinohai | It amazes me because it took 4-5 days before | [18:29] |
kakobrekla | but 'miners' are zombies, will eat whatever comes their way and cant count on them thinking about anything | [18:29] |
punkman | ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla that's fine. they also have to make money somehow. | [18:30] |
decimation | kakobrekla: exactly, which is why they would use whatever other people say is good | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | and that somehow is by selling what they mine. | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | so yes, zombies. just, make sure you identify the necromancer driving them correctly | [18:30] |
kakobrekla | they are getting spammed with 'bitcoin upgrades' as we speak | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [18:30] |
kakobrekla | my guess is most wont have a second thought. | [18:30] |
decimation | exactly, so if they have brains this will wake them up to 'wtf is going on with bitcoind' | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | and the same people will be selling the farm three to six months down the road. | [18:30] |
decimation | those withouth brains will be trying to sell used asics | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | as eulora tips say, "a willingness to learn is not mandatory. neither is survival." | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i am very excited about this actually happening. | [18:32] |
mod6 | <+punkman> ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke << looks right to me. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | the mass slaughter of a large contingent of people who act as if "doing what everyone else does is safe", and who lose millions at it is the best thing that can happen. | [18:33] |
kakobrekla | i cant have blockchain dead for a month | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | a shining moment of "buying ibm gets you killed" is more valuable than asia. | [18:33] |
kakobrekla | thinking of who else is such case here, davout ? | [18:34] |
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mod6 | punkman: you may want the kills_integer_retardation in there, as well as nubs`'s gentoo sanity, at least the part with the copying over of the headers & libs in auto.sh check those out here: | [18:35] |
mod6 | http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html | [18:35] |
mod6 | and here: | [18:35] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBWxhZ ) | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | last i heard davout was looking for ways to programatically exploit the shitcoin | [18:35] |
mod6 | http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html | [18:35] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBWvqk ) | [18:35] |
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decimation | kakobrekla: what do you mean about 'having blockchain dead' | [18:35] |
kakobrekla | having a chain with a gazillion difficulty and no to little miners on it | [18:37] |
decimation | I find the probability of that happening to be very low | [18:38] |
kakobrekla | the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window) | [18:39] |
kakobrekla | when this happens there already is such condition as i described give or take | [18:39] |
kakobrekla | and the even bringing that percentage even higher as some give up. | [18:39] |
kakobrekla | event* | [18:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.0004959 = 13.3397 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
trinque | man dpaste sucks | [18:41] |
trinque | cannot paste the whole boost build log | [18:41] |
mod6 | did yours fail? | [18:41] |
trinque | ascii_field: mod6: http://dpaste.com/1ZSXYK1.txt | [18:42] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaCEm1 ) | [18:42] |
trinque | the tail end ^ | [18:42] |
trinque | hardened/linux/amd64 | [18:43] |
trinque | with a pax/grsec kernel | [18:43] |
mod6 | weird. that's basically the same problem i had with uClibC [ libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personali | [18:44] |
mod6 | ty_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC ] | [18:44] |
mod6 | except this is with glibc huh | [18:45] |
trinque | suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? | [18:46] |
trinque | rather than which libc | [18:46] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla a loss of 90% mining power relates to blocks taking a little over an hour, not a month. | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | in other words, they can go hang, won't be noticed, won't be missed. | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | this is why miners are NOT actually seated at the table. | [18:47] |
mod6 | <+trinque> suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? << yeah, i think this is a clue | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | their job begins and ends with rejecting bad blocks. they are in no way involved in deciding what that means. | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | exactly as it should be, incidentally. | [18:48] |
kakobrekla | 90% < thats just the breaking point. once they figure out they have no wehre to send those coins short of mpex, those will be gone too. | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | except vice-versa. | [18:50] |
kakobrekla | ah right the 1mb fits , forgot that. | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | looky here : a) mpex makes more money than the entire faux & pretend ecosyustem of coinbases and whatnot. those COST, a shitton of money, for the services they fail to provide. | [18:50] |
kakobrekla | i still see problems down the road. | [18:50] |
mod6 | trinque: sometime this month I'll try to pay with 'default/linux/uclibc/amd64' instead. | [18:50] |
decimation | zooming out, the game theory is definitely against someone trying to make bigger blocks | [18:50] |
mircea_popescu | if you think bitcoin is currently supported by people using bitpay to buy coffee, that is squarely your problem | [18:51] |
trinque | mod6: I'm going to re-run it with the "vanilla" gcc now | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | well of course. problems down the road is what we signed up for. | [18:51] |
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mod6 | and if that doesn't work, maybe I can give 'hardened/linux/musl/amd64' (i don't see a non-hardened one available atm) | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise we'd be working accounting on excel spreadsheets. | [18:51] |
mod6 | trinque: aight, thanks! | [18:51] |
trinque | word | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ? | [18:52] |
trinque | crud? | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | i just cleanned it | [18:53] |
mod6 | sometimes a hair gets stuck in mine, and I have to pull it out. | [18:53] |
mod6 | wireless or usb? | [18:54] |
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mod6 | !up assbot | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | ps/2 | [18:55] |
mod6 | !up ascii_field | [18:55] |
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mod6 | ah, ps2. maybe just try disconnecting it and re-connecting it? | [18:55] |
mod6 | otherwise, it could be something with the surface that you're using it on... like if its some how refracting in some strange way | [18:56] |
trinque | ah yeah, I've had mine move suddenly if I lifted the mouse while using it for that reason | [18:57] |
trinque | which I do habitually, as if trying to climb across the desk with the mouse | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | nah it jitters upside down too | [18:58] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00050759 = 26.2678 BTC [+] {3} | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184196 << lol what is this retarded bullshit. | [19:07] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:16:04; decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no fur | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck wants to "credit himself" with the retarded ? | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | to "discredit yourself" in the estimation of boring old aunties and so forth is exactly what cool is all about. | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | god help whosoever is held in high regard by "persons of even mid-level status". | [19:08] |
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trinque | mod6: switching to vanilla gcc got past the fPIC barf | [19:14] |
decimation | I linked it partially for luls | [19:14] |
trinque | then this happened: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/libs/boost/patches/200-cstdint_missing_include.patch?rev=34635 | [19:14] |
assbot | 200-cstdint_missing_include.patch in packages/libs/boost/patches | [19:14] |
trinque | and now I've got one boost barf left | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | decimation it is pretty lulzy in its self-referential dementia. | [19:15] |
trinque | will document what I ended up having to do to build it at the end | [19:15] |
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scoopbot_revived | BitBet (S.BBET) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-june-2015-statement/ | [19:18] |
ascii_field | 341521+ | [19:19] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;bc,stats | [19:21] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 363701 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 1194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [19:21] |
mircea_popescu | almost there. be what, coupla hours | [19:21] |
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decimation | almost where? | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | his syncing. 22k to go | [19:24] |
trinque | mod6: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/6851 << had to do this as well, after which boost built | [19:25] |
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punkman | "I can't use ::int64_t as it not defined on all compilers for example on some platforms (Windows) we do not have stdint.h so we do not have int64_t in the global namespace. " | [19:27] |
shinohai | Thou shalt use linux. | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | can't it just be aliased in precompiler directive ? | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184203 << im sure if you make inquiries inside any prison, it's just a large collection of well meaning family fathers that have been put there by the conspiracy of fate and the iniquities of evil men. | [19:30] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:19:40; decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | heck, the way usg is going, this is actually becoming more and more true each decade. | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | "Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine." | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | omfg fuck this shit. outsiders do not wish a lever or care for one. | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | i hope your machinery is built out of hammer resistant materials, | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | because that means i'll have to bring forth the tracked 800kton one. | [19:33] |
trinque | and hey, I got a static bitcoind | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | wd! | [19:34] |
trinque | ty | [19:34] |
trinque | "static" anyway | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | syncs and errything ? | [19:34] |
trinque | bout to give it a run with gcov | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184212 << spank it first. | [19:49] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:21:44; ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off. | [19:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00049923 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2} | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. | [20:20] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184293 << yes. how many do you want ? | [20:22] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 17:49:50; jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe? | [20:22] |
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mircea_popescu | !up DanyAlos | [20:23] |
-assbot- | You voiced DanyAlos for 30 minutes. | [20:23] |
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DanyAlos | Hello there. | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184328 << o hey! | [20:24] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 18:14:13; mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | hello DanyAlos . who are you ? | [20:24] |
DanyAlos | What do you mean with "who are you"? | [20:25] |
DanyAlos | I am an individual. | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184345 << this is not as bad as it sounds actually. | [20:25] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 18:18:22; ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water) | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | mkay. | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184352 << which puts trinque about on par with the average developer these days, who ALSO hasn't read anything in about five years. just wrote more unreadable chicken scribblings. each day. | [20:26] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:46; ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway | [20:26] |
mod6 | <+trinque> and hey, I got a static bitcoind << nice!! i'll give this a shot here tonight yet | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << incidentally, what is the republic's take on this ? | [20:30] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).' | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | do we allow arbitrary getdata ? | [20:31] |
mod6 | <+mircea_popescu> jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. << good deal. maybe just needed reinitialization for whatever reason | [20:31] |
DanyAlos | mircea_popescu: Sorry if I misunderstand somthing. My english is not so fluid. | [20:31] |
DanyAlos | *something | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | DanyAlos in general english wouldn't have much to do with one's identity, does it ? unl;ess you'd be shakespeare or something. | [20:31] |
DanyAlos | Haha. It english almost have nothing to do with me. | [20:32] |
DanyAlos | I use it as a tool | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | kay then | [20:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00049147 = 42.6104 BTC [-] {3} | [20:33] |
DanyAlos | But I supousse that if I speak spanish here nobody would get a thing. | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184474 << possibly. it's not directly cut, because permaindexes just add to the complexity of keeping a node. | [20:33] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:49; ascii_field: (speaking of 'getdata' here) | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | yo hablo espanol. | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | !s espanol | [20:34] |
assbot | 6 results for 'espanol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=espanol | [20:34] |
DanyAlos | No sabía eso! | [20:34] |
DanyAlos | Pensé que solo inglés y rumano. | [20:34] |
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mircea_popescu | alman, frances, italian etc. | [20:35] |
DanyAlos | ¿Lo hablás en forma fluida? | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | mas o menos. | [20:35] |
DanyAlos | Ok. Políglota, entonces. | [20:35] |
DanyAlos | El "más o menos" es muy argentino! | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184504 << no, the america online of us internets | [20:37] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:47; ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ? | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | oh... nm. | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184505 << this is actually true. it pays to be a terrorist because then they don't hassle you in the hopes that you somehow don't notice that you're the only one unhassled by the gestapo in a field of obsequious peasants. | [20:38] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:51; kakobrekla: unless you are registered terrorist | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | bureaucracies at work. | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184517 << quite. this is how the fellow ends up having to do "enough" gestures. shcelling point | [20:39] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 21:04:00; ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | in its own perverse way, it's a leadership function. provides means for people to agree. | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184534 << it is one of those final stages of cultural decay. "nothing means anything anymore" sort of situation. | [20:41] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 21:09:51; ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin' | [20:41] |
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mircea_popescu | the obvious approach would be to protest these uppity kindergartners feel too special for their own good. but that's merely sympthom imo. | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184654 << we'd have to do the math about it. but remember : stinkbombs don't work by actually choking anyone. | [20:45] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:46:19; decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | someone recently managed to close down a 12 block section of wash dc by literally saying "i think i heard gunshots". | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | the cost to the enemy of any device is made out of a real and a perceived factor. these sometimes diverge. all radiation things diverge in the sense of perception overwhelming reality. | [20:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [D.BSTP] 11 @ 0.099 = 1.089 BTC [+] | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << women prefering to flock to a single male isn't misandry per se. more like reversal to normal. | [20:48] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184674 o.O | [20:50] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:51:33; trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female | [20:50] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184687 << signed what ? | [20:51] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:56:37; danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | oh oh i c. | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184704 << dude you gotta wear a recording devince next and have someone transcribe it. | [20:52] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:04:05; danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | sounds like a riot. | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184730 << ya srsly. | [20:53] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:11:35; mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly | [20:53] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: referring to the particular euphemism used around these parts to refer to the lifestyle where you get fucked up and fuck other dudes, and call it a sexual orientation | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184743 << not like you have to you know. | [20:54] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:14:35; mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing | [20:54] |
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trinque | not various other multiple-partner arrangements | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | trinque okay, but you know, the term both preexists and actually has genuine usage outside of whatever hipster subculture. | [20:55] |
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trinque | yeah prolly does, granted | [20:55] |
trinque | ^ euphemism for "I'm wrong" lol | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise, women drinking themselves into beds has been a mainstay of post-colonial british empire. | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | puritanism never really recovered after losing india. | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184744 <<< bwahahaha oh teh win | [20:56] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:15:29; danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184746 << if you believe in "regular folks" why not also believe in slaveborn niggers and all azns are coolies ? | [20:57] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:16:17; mats: regular folk need https | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | seems pretty much the same proposition. | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | what exactly about this chick or that dude is making them be "regular folks", which is to say chattel rather than persons ? | [20:58] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184774 << no, i'm sure it works quite well. a good pick-up line is made out of two parts, one's a valuation and the other's an unknown. then conversation can proceed around the unknown and as it proceeds, etc. | [21:00] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:49:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?! | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184781 << i | [21:01] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:57:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.' | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | ve never heard of a sexual market where men pay. | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ? | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184791 << it's not that far off, i was thinking g_l sounded a lot like a much younger rms. | [21:04] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 00:07:59; trinque: asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!" | [21:04] |
punkman | http://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit/ | [21:06] |
assbot | The Zero-Armed Bandit • Damn Interesting ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ral2ZG ) | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184817 << the loller of all time. when bitcoinj were making a 2nd implementation, the same crowd gnashed teeth about what a horribly bad and not good and dangerous and canned doom of an idea it is. | [21:06] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:24:07; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0 | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | now that usg finally arrayed enough ethereum shitfountains to imagine it can pull it off, the tune changed. and it changed mid sentence and full spin around. | [21:06] |
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mircea_popescu | this is why i have people doing summaries of the shit, which summaries i generally do not read. | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno how or why it'd be worth anyone's time, outside of the perverse interests of entomologists etc. | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184828 << speaking of which : a) you folk are gonna publish ips once the sync's done yes ? and b) bringing a seed up on nsa hardware this month maybe ? | [21:09] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:27:53; asciilifeform: shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up | [21:09] |
shinohai | on block 217340, will publish ip when synced fully | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184841 << was an important milestone this. at least for my internals. | [21:10] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:34:33; asciilifeform: all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | shinohai great. | [21:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17321 @ 0.0005028 = 8.709 BTC [+] {2} | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184853 << that | [21:12] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:39:38; asciilifeform: or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184908 << this is dubious. people failed to realise and walk away from us, why would they move away ever ? | [21:15] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:54:30; decimation: if house always wins, people will realized and move on | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184912 << but you would have statistically visible "overwinning". | [21:16] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:56:25; asciilifeform: whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184940 << wait. | [21:17] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:38; trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | wut ?! | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184941 << would be infinitely better if it used "english dictionary" instead of "base64" as an encoding mechanism. | [21:18] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:40; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | nobody could distinguish its output from normal reddit functioning. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184982 << there is a difference between "reason to believe poses a threat" and "no reason to believe doens't pose a threat". | [21:21] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 02:57:14; decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat." | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | this difference is a lot more marked than the subtle contortions the supreme court's been using these last years to rule in favour of unexamined hipsterism | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185066 o.O | [21:26] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 11:01:01; jurov: plus some utterly vexing and hapless dreams gratis | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | want a loaf of tuber bread ? | [21:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00051533 = 53.2594 BTC [+] | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185122 << dat sentence :D | [21:28] |
shinohai | "due to there incompetence in securing there system" >>> http://redd.it/3c1n6r | [21:28] |
assbot | Blockchain paid 17 BTC belonging to me to scammer : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GV8M5f ) | [21:28] |
shinohai | [sic] their | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185130 << thread's not easy to wear out. | [21:28] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 11:58:29; jurov: she wore out several of them | [21:29] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 12:03:45; diana_coman: very solid for a piece of thread basically :))) | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185163 <<< but i thought they OWNED REDDIT NOTES!!11 | [21:30] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 13:37:30; decimation: oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves! | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | fucktards srsly. | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185164 << o has it ? mod6 you got any opinion on the subject ? | [21:31] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 13:43:50; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << this has *always* gotten up my nose | [21:31] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186165 << my idea is to bring up node on dulap as soon as syncs | [21:37] |
assbot | Logged on 04-07-2015 00:05:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184828 << speaking of which : a) you folk are gonna publish ips once the sync's done yes ? and b) bringing a seed up on nsa hardware this month maybe ? | [21:37] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186176 << not if done correctly. all the peanutgallery could see is 'the statistically expected number of players won' | [21:38] |
assbot | Logged on 04-07-2015 00:12:20; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184912 << but you would have statistically visible "overwinning". | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | they'd just all happen to be employees of the house. | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | (or rather, tx's issued by house.) | [21:39] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186154 << l0l, short supply ?! most plentiful thing on planet3 | [21:40] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 23:58:23; mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ? | [21:40] |
asciilifeform | doesn't sell very well on its own. | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody interested in multiprocessorizing bitcoin sig check ? | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | it'd be trivial | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | (but afaik, no one has done it yet... why ?) | [21:43] |
ben_vulpes | http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-/ << asciilifeform l0l 404! | [21:44] |
assbot | 404 - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVa9AZ ) | [21:44] |
ben_vulpes | i am *not* logged up | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:acA0xSOPfrAJ:blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | [21:45] |
assbot | Raising Darwin's Consciousness: An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVaeVi ) | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rdkpk4a5oh4J:blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-the-evolutionary-lessons-of-motherhood/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | [21:45] |
assbot | Raising Darwin's Consciousness: Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on the Evolutionary Lessons of Motherhood - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVafIN ) | [21:45] |
ben_vulpes | http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/ | [21:46] |
asciilifeform | ^ up, for the time being | [21:46] |
assbot | Raising Darwin's Consciousness: An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVafZf ) | [21:46] |
ben_vulpes | lol @ btc->sexprs, asciilifeform | [21:46] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185338 << and the phf went & did | [21:46] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 17:50:03; phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties. | [21:46] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: blockchain->sexprs or ragel parser | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | one of those beautiful magic momentz | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | when i don't have to do a chore personally | [21:47] |
ben_vulpes | leading any charge is risky and painful | [21:47] |
ben_vulpes | muchas gracias for the hrdy link | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | np | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | save the thing somewhere (archive.today ?) | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | i bet the linked turd is not long for this world | [21:49] |
ben_vulpes | first link already 404d | [21:49] |
ben_vulpes | https://archive.is/39iJE | [21:50] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFEWm ) | [21:50] |
ben_vulpes | how does this thing even work | [21:51] |
ben_vulpes | phf: ty for lisps | [21:51] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: that cutblock c util was very instructive, ty | [21:51] |
ben_vulpes | phf: (v. instructive among other good things) | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: could do an even shorter/sweeter bidirectional (!) version with 'binary-types' ( http://www.cliki.net/binary-types ) | [21:52] |
assbot | CLiki: Binary-types ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFNZH ) | [21:52] |
punkman | I run stator.sh and it barfed http://dpaste.com/3GHQRAC.txt | [21:52] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFOwP ) | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | punkman: you gotta download the deps ! | [21:53] |
punkman | I did | [21:53] |
ben_vulpes | aha that's really nifty. | [21:53] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: ^^ | [21:53] |
asciilifeform | punkman: your shell, for some reason, isn't seeing the install dir | [21:53] |
asciilifeform | and tries to create bdb's 'include' in root | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | whatcha building on ? | [21:54] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185122 << i grow curious about average hrs/user spent in eulora | [21:54] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 11:58:29; jurov: she wore out several of them | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | vax? | [21:54] |
ben_vulpes | of the active users. | [21:54] |
phf | ben_vulpes: like asciilifeform said there are better approaches, but yw | [21:54] |
punkman | some version of Mint | [21:54] |
ben_vulpes | phf: well hey like i said instructive | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | punkman: from here i can only conclude that your unixlike is braindamaged beyond repair! | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | get a gentoo ? | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | or what BingoBoingo or mod6 built on ? | [21:54] |
phf | the general pattern is a bunch of read-* functions, that are all ultimately reduced to read-byte or read-sequence. the an (unsigned-byte 8) stream and return whatever datrastructure | [21:57] |
phf | *they take | [21:57] |
asciilifeform | it is nifty and very educational and mega-recommended to all students of the subject ^ | [21:57] |
punkman | I think the problem was I didn't have "realpath" | [21:59] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185971 << wai wut, is kakobrekla now fearing gavinocalypse ? | [21:59] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 21:35:10; kakobrekla: the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window) | [21:59] |
ben_vulpes | punkman: have you tried my a47.sh? | [21:59] |
punkman | ben_vulpes: no | [22:00] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186009 << a modern (vs. the infrared diode + mirror mat '80s kind) optic mouse is a pretty hefty computer by itself. complete with bugs | [22:00] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 21:48:42; mircea_popescu: meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ? | [22:00] |
asciilifeform | (there was a proggy posted some years ago to use one as a camera!) | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186157 << mega-classic, and was discussed here before. including the fact that later bombmeisters have added the necessary detail of bar of soap and photocell (fluoresces under xray, sets off secondary detonator) | [22:05] |
assbot | Logged on 04-07-2015 00:02:06; punkman: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit/ | [22:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.00051396 = 49.6999 BTC [-] {2} | [22:07] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186241 << it has bug, i realized later, will die if finds testnet blocks | [22:09] |
assbot | Logged on 04-07-2015 00:47:53; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that cutblock c util was very instructive, ty | [22:09] |
asciilifeform | go, fix | [22:09] |
punkman | !s photocell | [22:10] |
assbot | 3 results for 'photocell' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=photocell | [22:10] |
asciilifeform | phun phakt: you can't buy (new) halon fire extinguishers in usa, but you can get... freon (hcfc-123) | [22:15] |
* | asciilifeform just unpacked a crate with one | [22:15] |
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asciilifeform | not cheap either. but you can still get! (until the envirowhiners get to it, too) | [22:17] |
* | asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu keeps in his fire extinguisher | [22:18] |
asciilifeform | (virgin tears? vodka ?) | [22:18] |
* | trinque gets a funny feeling like he's watching a fast-forward replay of history itself whenever syncing a new blockchain | [22:19] |
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trinque | all the events which transpired which are marked by a particular transaction | [22:19] |
asciilifeform | trinque: you're only ~really~ replaying history if you 'eatblock' from mircea_popescu's raw blkxxxxen | [22:19] |
trinque | deedbot- fascinates me for precisely this reason | [22:19] |
asciilifeform | otherwise you're merely reenacting history | [22:20] |
trinque | good point | [22:20] |
asciilifeform | like those folks who play out old battles with dummy rounds | [22:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00051544 = 28.8131 BTC [+] {2} | [22:21] |
trinque | pulled the trigger on this one just to see whether it'd fire up and work, but yeah, I'll use mircea_popescu's node for the gcov run | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | trinque: what's in your set ? | [22:23] |
trinque | I am currently syncing from deedbot-'s node | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | i meant, what patches | [22:23] |
trinque | oh, I am using stator with no additional patches | [22:23] |
trinque | which others should I apply? | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | trinque: ought to suffice | [22:24] |
asciilifeform | if you want 'dumpblock' and 'eatblock', those are not included in stator | [22:24] |
asciilifeform | gotta apply manually | [22:24] |
trinque | k | [22:25] |
asciilifeform | they don't really do much good in a 'civilian' bitcoin node, though | [22:26] |
asciilifeform | more for laboratory work. | [22:26] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: it's lulzy that they regulate the shit of out freon for hvac, but use in fire extinguishers? | [22:34] |
decimation | seems like co2 would be useful for many situations | [22:35] |
punkman | ok, stator compiled successfully I think, anyone wanna give me a node IP? | [22:41] |
mod6 | trinque: this may help you in your journey: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt | [22:45] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD75iv ) | [22:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107000 @ 0.00050961 = 54.5283 BTC [-] {3} | [22:46] |
decimation | the 'realpath' thing is hilarious | [22:48] |
decimation | why do half the distros use it, others use readlink | [22:48] |
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trinque | mod6: thank you sir | [22:52] |
trinque | I'm going to grab some food, then read up on gcov | [22:52] |
mod6 | ok cool | [23:01] |
mod6 | no prob | [23:02] |
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DanyAlos | Sorry for the sudden change of topic: | [23:11] |
DanyAlos | I was looking for #bitcoin-assets on this search engine (http://irc.netsplit.de/channels), and realized that it is not listed. Is there any particular reason for not being there? | [23:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00051748 = 21.1649 BTC [+] {3} | [23:20] |
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mod6 | 258k+ | [23:23] |
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punkman | updated my mirror with thermonuke branch https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke | [23:34] |
assbot | Commits · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCmjCv ) | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184829 | [23:37] |
assbot | Logged on 03-07-2015 01:28:04; asciilifeform: 188.68.240.167 | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | decimation: co2 extinguishers, are, interestingly, very expensive (largely on account of their size. you need a great lot of it) | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | also thermal shocks machinery | [23:38] |
punkman | asciilifeform: it's working, good job on the stator | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | punkman: it's an interim thing. still need to shoot glibc in the head | [23:38] |
punkman | it complained about getaddrinfo, that's to be expected then? | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | yes. but it never gets called in bitcoin | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | (not in the dns-free variant) | [23:39] |
punkman | yeah I tried to find it in the src, nothing there | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | something in 'boost' theoretically can invoke it, or rather - gcc is too dumb to know that it will never happen | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | so it whines | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | and puts a null stub there | [23:40] |
mats | DanyAlos: this channel has the flag +s, and so it is unlisted | [23:41] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186324 << very good for folks reading patches. but remember, the patches ~are~ the canonical patches... | [23:45] |
assbot | Logged on 04-07-2015 02:30:46; punkman: updated my mirror with thermonuke branch https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke | [23:45] |
punkman | yeah I don't pull back from github, only push | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | so long as it is used as a 'graphical diff', oughta be harmless | [23:46] |
decimation | I'm syncing static node with some random ip, to see if I get the same blkxxxx.dat results | [23:47] |
decimation | one of them on mircea's list | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | the hash list ? | [23:48] |
decimation | no his trilema post | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | ah | [23:48] |
decimation | asciilifeform: did we do a thread on 'headers only' block data? | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | mentioned on several occasions | [23:49] |
decimation | it occurs to me that it would be useful to broadcast a digest of a block in addition to the actual block data | [23:50] |
decimation | mainly for users on bandwidth constrained channels | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | that'd be the header, no ? | [23:50] |
decimation | I guess. | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | node already has option of asking for those | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | it is part of the protocol | [23:50] |
decimation | ah, I will read the code | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | what i think would be considerably more useful is a provision for 'programmable checkpoints' | [23:50] |
decimation | For something like shortwave broadcast, this is what you would want | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | that is, an ascii file similar to my sums.txt.gz | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | signed with pgp, verified by user, dropped in .bitcoin | [23:51] |
decimation | aye, that would be useful for a 'starter pak' node | [23:51] |
DanyAlos | mats: Thx | [23:51] |
decimation | one wonders why this hasn't been done already, seems an obvious fix to 'node takes forever to sync' | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | won't make'em sync any faster | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | but will discourage some of the more hamfisted kinds of shitgnomery | [23:52] |
decimation | oh you just mean the sums | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | aha | [23:52] |
decimation | yeah okay, that would be useful for double-checking chain integrity yes | [23:52] |
decimation | for the headers thing, I'm imagining a scenario where someone is waiting for a transaction to clear | [23:53] |
decimation | it would be useful to know when a new block is found, so you can ask your peers for a copy | [23:53] |
asciilifeform | what's wrong with the old-fashioned 'inv' ? | [23:55] |
decimation | I suppose if a peer is available, you could do that. but then you are only trusting one node's say | [23:55] |
decimation | imagine three frequencies with three different nodes around the world, all with agreement on headers | [23:56] |
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