Forum logs for 03 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	( ) Extreme profitability of spam << i take it this was 2000ish ?	[00:00]
asciilifeform	earlier.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	myeah. meanwhile that problem took care of itself.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	iirc written no later than '97	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084246 << wait. wut ?!	[00:02]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:45; thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084266 << i don't think this will work.	[00:03]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 16:06:28; asciilifeform: nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	conceivably this will come down to "use so and so, version no later than X, and you will have to either not use sound or use one of these sound cards"	[00:03]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested	[00:03]
BingoBoingo	!up Cogburn	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	what, "posix" ? that's not a thing	[00:04]
asciilifeform	it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper	[00:04]
asciilifeform	with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc.	[00:04]
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asciilifeform	(see rest of thread)	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	emulators are seriously a very bad idea for this.	[00:04]
Cogburn	thank, you but you need not keep voicing me. I'll consider the invitation for the WoT. Glad to clear some things up. Have a great night.	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	i can appreciate the ... spherical chicken appeal.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable.	[00:05]
asciilifeform	now this'd be for -builds-	[00:05]
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asciilifeform	not for running bitcoind -in-.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	it's a bad idea.	[00:05]
asciilifeform	it is.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	you're fighting shit with a taller tower. of shit.	[00:06]
asciilifeform	but no one has suggested a good idea.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	how about debian sarge ?	[00:06]
asciilifeform	can i re-create it ?	[00:06]
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asciilifeform	without downloading bins	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	3.x	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	i think you should STILL be able to yes.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	but back in 2005, definitely.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	!up E8888____	[00:06]
-assbot-	You voiced E8888____ for 30 minutes.	[00:06]
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asciilifeform	i mean, with my existing compilers.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	with its own. it's a whole complete universe.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	aha so i gotta download bins	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	not sure about yours, mebbe worth a shit	[00:07]
asciilifeform	ick.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	shot*	[00:07]
asciilifeform	besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ?	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	we did /	[00:07]
asciilifeform	and turned out that it has a lying gcc	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[00:07]
asciilifeform	which includes a type not defined in the src.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	(see yesterday's zoological find)	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/04/hospitalist-becomes-own-endless-loop/	[00:08]
assbot	Hospitalist Becomes Own Endless Loop \| GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCCpKV )	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084286 << this is a correct approach, the problem seems to be however that compilers don't work properly.	[00:08]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 16:09:47; mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i wasn't aware that was on deb sarge.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes awake ?	[00:09]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what did you use ?	[00:09]
BingoBoingo	“It was all very surreal. The nurse told me my patient had arrived on the ward. I told her I was the patient. She apparently thought I was making an existential statement and replied ‘aren’t we all just the sum of our patients and our patience’. I know, it doesn’t make any sense to me either now, but at the time it was profound, because, you know, dilaudid. “	[00:09]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082482	[00:09]
assbot	Logged on 01-04-2015 19:08:25; ben_vulpes: ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	that is not sarge.	[00:10]
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mircea_popescu	that is 3 major revisions later. looks like modern.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	aha.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ?	[00:10]
asciilifeform	untar and ./auto.sh	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	i didn't take any across the ocean ;/	[00:10]
asciilifeform	damn.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	well how the fuck was i to know a year later ima be all the way up in thompsoncpp	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	but yes, the execration has occured to me a number of times.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3	[00:11]
asciilifeform	you know, -that- one	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	then again if THAT didn't work it wouldn't surprise me.	[00:12]
asciilifeform	http://borlandc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screenshot1.png	[00:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HpoWoM )	[00:12]
asciilifeform	i still miss that thing.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	yes i had it, my f9 was illegible	[00:12]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	note btw your ss is in romanian.	[00:12]
asciilifeform	unsurprisingly	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32427 @ 0.00027 = 8.7553 BTC [-]	[00:12]
Adlai	BingoBoingo: no, the best part: McSwagger was awakened from a deep sleep by his pager, only to find out that he was being called by his own nurse, apparently because he needed something for sleep	[00:13]
BingoBoingo	lol	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084315 << you're more than welcome to play with an emulator if you wish to broaden your horizon, but it is broadly inadequate for what we're trying to do here.	[00:15]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 16:16:41; nubbins`: so maybe we can start there	[00:15]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the problem is that the pc architecture (as a standard that you can hard-hold a vendor to) is dead.	[00:16]
asciilifeform	e.g., i literally can't buy my main pc again.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	this is a problem.	[00:16]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWV-mfMdw8 << if this be the same weiner that keeps derping with seamonster	[00:16]
assbot	Bitcoin Chat With Crypto Mogul Bryce Weiner! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HppT0m )	[00:16]
asciilifeform	possibly, very slowly, out of antiquarian collectible parts.	[00:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25155 @ 0.00027 = 6.7919 BTC [-]	[00:16]
asciilifeform	of fuck knows what provenance.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	but pretending like magic works isn't a solution to it.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	magic?	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:17]
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mircea_popescu	look, qemu is essentially a hypervisor.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	nope.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	if hypervisors fixed bad osen microsoft'd have been long fixed.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	when used as classical qemu (with accelerator) there is no hypervisor	[00:17]
asciilifeform	can emulate pc on vax	[00:17]
asciilifeform	or vax on pc	[00:17]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/	[00:18]
asciilifeform	hypervisor is a very other animal, where certain instructions are emulated ('sensitive' ring0 ones) while most execute naked.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	but only provided the underlying os behaves.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	popular hypervisor: vmware	[00:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we have a confusion of terminology here. an emulator is, for instance, 'zsnes' - popular 'super nintendo' emul	[00:19]
asciilifeform	works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486'	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	so far this is a hypervisor.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	because we are essentially interpreting the snes instructions	[00:19]
asciilifeform	nope.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	hypervisor has a specific meaning	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	"works on another machine. check. client can't crash kernel. check"	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	yes. that special meaning is "runs vms"	[00:20]
asciilifeform	actually the rub with hypervisor is that the 'guest' -can- affect the 'host' quite often.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	but this because hypervisor is badly implemented.	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article17061476.html	[00:21]
assbot	Teen son of Canadian Consul General arrested after brother killed in drug deal \| Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpqDCK )	[00:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the short version of the difference is that a 'hypervisor' emulates -certain- instructions, that are understood to modify the global state of the machine in ways which would allow the guest os to monopolize the hardware (e.g., write a block to the disk at index I) whereas an emulator emulates -all- instructions executed by the guest	[00:22]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: how stupid and ballsy are these consul's kids that they "planned to rob the drug dealers "	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a minor point, but anyway.	[00:22]
pete_dushenski	why can't they just buy coke from a classmate like normal kids of consuls ?	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I dunno, what's going on in the Canadia	[00:22]
asciilifeform	very major point in practice	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski "The teens are the sons of Roxanne Dubé, who only recently assumed the role of consul general in Miami. A former Fulbright scholar, she has extensive diplomatic experience, having worked as an aide in Parliament and as the ambassador to Zimbabwe."	[00:23]
asciilifeform	hypervisor requires host and guest architectures to be same.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	and there you have your problem.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform notrly.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion.	[00:23]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: not that anything does, but "Wabafiyebazu" isn't that canadian	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	plenty of 32 bit run on 64 bit that way for instance.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	32 is subset	[00:23]
pete_dushenski	s/does/is	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Is Rob Ford contagious?	[00:23]
asciilifeform	x86_64 contains specific provisions for running a process in 'short' (x86) mode	[00:24]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: you're closer to derpbama than i to ford ;)	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, granted, it's "a better hypervisor". still runs on another os.	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I'll need to get a map to check that	[00:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0002719 = 8.4017 BTC [+]	[00:25]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sometimes, you can take the contents of the emulator and - if it exists and you have it in your collection - run it on physical iron	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	sometimes i fall asleep on one girl and wake up atop another.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	same idea.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't propose this for anyone else.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is lieke 90% of what i'd want a 2nd pet for	[00:26]
asciilifeform	2nd 'stator'	[00:26]
asciilifeform	(if fella who turns, is 'rotor')	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	inb short : it'd be great if emulators as you conceptually represent one existed and work. they do not. what we need is a distro to set in stone.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	for fucks sake, they exist and i use them every day for past decade.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	are you running this in an emulator ?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	'this' - no	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	most of what passes for my day job - yes	[00:27]
asciilifeform	why not << because no reason to take 25x cpu hit	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	most of which isn't bitcoind-like	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	suppose your emulated bitcoind forks. what do you do ?	[00:28]
asciilifeform	win turing prize.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[00:28]
asciilifeform	spend on burial.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	anyway the point, again, would not be to ever -run- bitcoind in the dog-slow emulated linux	[00:30]
asciilifeform	but to cross-compile for normal machine (ibmpc, pogo, vax, whatever)	[00:30]
asciilifeform	using -known- set of mechanisms.	[00:30]
asciilifeform	as in, putting an actual cork in the os/libs/cpu/etc	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	but this is essentially naive. because, again, the bitcoind is not the code you read, but the binary that runs.	[00:31]
asciilifeform	as in 'here they are and this they shall be in 3015 running on Aldan-XVIII cpu'	[00:31]
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asciilifeform	yes, the bin. small enough to eventually disasm & read.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	if your binary that runs can not be run by your golden standard	[00:31]
asciilifeform	can, why not.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	you essentially have managed to divorce a new academia out of engineering	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	this is the last thing we want.	[00:31]
asciilifeform	that'd be a monumentally strange thing to do. but not what suggested.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	suggested nailing down a machine spec	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	it is what'd happen.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	that can be replicated	[00:32]
asciilifeform	in the way that we are too poor (yes, poor) to do with tangible machine yet.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	how do you distinguish a bug in the os from a bug in the emulator from a bug in the code ?	[00:32]
asciilifeform	that's the thing, bug in emulator is catastrophic	[00:32]
asciilifeform	but think of it as a skyscraper foundation. there is tremendous pressure on it	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	so you want me to pull in more code than the openssl. with worse risk outlook.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	and your explanation is... "Well many people checked it"	[00:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: when you dig out your old laptop with 'pentium I', guess what you're pulling in	[00:33]
asciilifeform	at least emulator code - i can sit down & read.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	try read internals of 'pentium I'	[00:33]
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mircea_popescu	except your emulator still runs on pentium i in question	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	with who knows what dirty hacks everywhere to make it "portabler"	[00:34]
asciilifeform	or soviet 'iskra'	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	(incidentally, portability worst fucking idea in computing!)	[00:34]
asciilifeform	or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room	[00:34]
asciilifeform	or, or	[00:34]
asciilifeform	or it runs in my head & a pencil	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i can't see this as anything but "adding more bad code".	[00:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is right, but in the same way as a fella taking penicillin is 'swallowing poison'	[00:35]
asciilifeform	technically -yes.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	i don't have anything against running test versions of golden-bitcoind on anything, including toasters, gameboys, toasters emulated on gameboys etc	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	but that's a different discussion.	[00:35]
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asciilifeform	ideally i would not even suggest something as terrifyingly unpleasant as - in effect - giving everyone a 486.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	which is what emulator amounts to.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	but what is the alternative whereby each of us ends up with 1) EXACTLY same machine 2) one we can still get 1000 years later	[00:36]
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asciilifeform	or even month later.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	no, we've not even come to the discussion where "it's entirely unclear desktop with bitcoind in quemu can even process blocks in 10 minutes each"	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	we're still atthe principle of the matter.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: believe or not - can.	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	nothing wrong with trying it.	[00:37]
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asciilifeform	(on what? modest box circa '07)	[00:38]
asciilifeform	but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build	[00:39]
asciilifeform	and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity	[00:39]
asciilifeform	because 4) we have a rusted-solid 'luger' from 1941	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	so far, i'm a) chasing whoever the fuck broke the world by making an idiotic libnss and b) unconvinced the problem's more than that dns bs.	[00:39]
asciilifeform	that we tried to fire and somehow surprised	[00:39]
asciilifeform	i think we shot (a) in the head	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	hm	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	?	[00:40]
asciilifeform	(dns removal. but one more tumour growth left, the external-ip getter)	[00:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084194	[00:41]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 15:17:35; asciilifeform: my dns seed snip patch never made it in the realease, did it	[00:41]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084387 << ahaha good one.	[00:41]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 16:32:29; nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes?	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform THE PROBLEM STILL EXISTS.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	even if not in our code anymore	[00:41]
asciilifeform	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085084	[00:41]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 21:50:57; asciilifeform: bitcoin does not need dns for anythign!	[00:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes, exists	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	well yes. im chasing the culprit. i wish to know who the fuck thought this is a good idea.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	i humbly request a copy of r. stevens's 'tcp/ip' bound in his skin.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	will also accept pike's 'unix prog. envir.'	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	more like it.	[00:43]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084405 << the reason they're doing this is obvious. they want to find bugs.	[00:44]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 16:34:58; jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators	[00:44]
asciilifeform	must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu.	[00:45]
asciilifeform	(and the occasional floppy/pc)	[00:45]
asciilifeform	my brother had one - i had the other	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	nobody is disputing it's a very useful tool for many things.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	well, not i at any rate.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread ?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044648 << for others reading	[00:47]
assbot	Logged on 06-03-2015 23:42:12; asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate	[00:47]
asciilifeform	related.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084446 << lol wait, they came full circle to the actual goal, usg's own bitcoin ?	[00:51]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 16:43:36; asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	"Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	sic math functions.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	As a development methodology it's often useful to write hoon that tracks an existing C routine rather than the other way around, but even this needs to be done quite carefully to avoid jet discrepancies."	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	i liked that part.	[00:51]
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asciilifeform	they'll eat their pants before admitting it's 'usg bitcoin'	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme	[00:58]
asciilifeform	lol, what color ?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	for the other it's not ok to admit urbit exists strictly because a) yarvin's chumpatron attempt failed just at the time b) usg was looking for a particular tool	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	scooped it up cheapo.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	so i guess two can't admits make it a mindblowing evil thing.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	right. but that's half the story.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	and sorta wanted to get back to these two highlights of his youth	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	his mantears over bitcoin existing coupled with a certain need for "Expertise" in certain quarters...	[01:00]
asciilifeform	i actually read his 'all bitcoin users will be gassed' thing as honest defeatism	[01:00]
asciilifeform	but can't even tell now.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	the man is not honest.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	im starting to notice a pattern here, he reads exactly like yak guy, once i read yak guy	[01:02]
asciilifeform	brings to mind,	[01:02]
asciilifeform	Orwell: ‘Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis?’	[01:02]
asciilifeform	The youth: ‘Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me.’	[01:02]
asciilifeform	Orwell: ‘And shoot people like me?’	[01:02]
asciilifeform	The youth: ‘That would be just too bad.’	[01:02]
asciilifeform	Orwell: ‘But why are you so anxious to remain alive?’	[01:02]
asciilifeform	The youth: ‘So that I can get on with my work, of course.’	[01:02]
asciilifeform	( http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/eaip_04 )	[01:02]
assbot	George Orwell: As I Please -- 1943 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9faus )	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	there was a very apt summary in that physicits's criticism. i suppose i should look it up.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	mr mold decided that he was anxious to remain alive. i can't really see why.	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eliezer_Yudkowsky << lulwut.	[01:03]
assbot	Eliezer Yudkowsky - Wikiquote ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fhWN )	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	hey, does wikiquote have a page of quotes from my cat yet ?	[01:03]
asciilifeform	no but almost	[01:03]
asciilifeform	i think they have naggum's cat.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, "crocker's rules" omfg. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/	[01:04]
assbot	Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBuh84 )	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	it's eerie just how connected stupidity is.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	"So, Hariezer is joking about the murder (its made clear later), but WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? These escalating friendship-tests feel contrived, reciprocity is effective when you don’t make demands immediately, which is why when you get a free sample at the grocery store the person at the counter doesn’t say “did you like that? Buy this juice or we won’t be friends anymore.” This whole conversation feels	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. "	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	and	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"Here is an awesome manipulation I’m using against you"	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man"	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	"My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!"	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[01:06]
asciilifeform	this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works.	[01:07]
pete_dushenski	http://fortune.com/2015/04/02/bitcoin-bowl/ << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs	[01:07]
assbot	Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fUj3 )	[01:07]
pete_dushenski	^quite the qntra rip-off	[01:08]
pete_dushenski	obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead	[01:08]
asciilifeform	folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times	[01:09]
pete_dushenski	"hey look, a gummy worm!"	[01:10]
pete_dushenski	"only half-digested!"	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[01:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00027 = 1.8806 BTC [-]	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward.	[01:12]
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pete_dushenski	i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085094 << what's wrong with config file srsly.	[01:12]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	!up PFate	[01:12]
-assbot-	You voiced PFate for 30 minutes.	[01:13]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html << recommended reading for log readers out there	[01:13]
assbot	Shareholder Letters ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9gJZg )	[01:13]
PFate	hello and thank you	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah they're not bad.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	PFate who might you be ?	[01:13]
PFate	erm, just a pleb atm	[01:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow	[01:14]
PFate	want twitter handle?	[01:14]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201	[01:14]
PFate	@thefateofbtc	[01:14]
pete_dushenski	PFate: soooo what's the fate ?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific.	[01:14]
PFate	pete, right now its not good from watching the news	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085111 << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach.	[01:15]
PFate	lol	[01:15]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself	[01:15]
pete_dushenski	PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news	[01:15]
pete_dushenski	https://1broker.com/ << this yours then ?	[01:16]
assbot	1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9heTa )	[01:16]
PFate	1broker.co	[01:16]
PFate	:)	[01:16]
PFate	301 redirect ftw	[01:16]
asciilifeform	stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21	[01:17]
asciilifeform	stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21	[01:17]
asciilifeform	stas@humanoid ~ $	[01:17]
cazalla	wow, that fortune.com article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts	[01:17]
asciilifeform	nope, not satoshi.	[01:17]
pete_dushenski	cazalla: ikr!	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act.	[01:17]
pete_dushenski	PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach."	[01:18]
PFate	? the .com is not mine	[01:18]
PFate	heh	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	won't make the docket much less news	[01:19]
asciilifeform	will be magicked away with magic rays.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	the docket it will make.	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	PFate: ah nm then!	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	'state privilege'	[01:20]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	to whoever else runs 1broker, wd.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006.	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say	[01:21]
asciilifeform	'25 years of windows-2008 experience'	[01:21]
PFate	theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008	[01:21]
asciilifeform	szabo ?	[01:22]
pete_dushenski	not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ?	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	poor substitute for being in wot.	[01:23]
pete_dushenski	matonis was on the edges of the thing back then	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	didn't take much pressure, either.	[01:23]
asciilifeform	546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	incremented until overflowed?	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085173 << yes.	[01:24]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his.	[01:24]
pete_dushenski	PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ?	[01:24]
PFate	stalking	[01:24]
PFate	since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	the tits are that way --->	[01:24]
PFate	oh, sweet	[01:25]
PFate	but thats the edge of my desk	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck stalks dudes	[01:25]
PFate	shitty comcast movies are on the other screen	[01:25]
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PFate	i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up	[01:25]
PFate	this year and last, crypto	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085180 << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ?	[01:26]
assbot	Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh!	[01:28]
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mircea_popescu	also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	methinks institutionals got told a few words ?	[01:29]
*	asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing	[01:29]
asciilifeform	i mean srsly, wut	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform oothecae walls structure.	[01:30]
pete_dushenski	i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less!	[01:30]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it	[01:30]
asciilifeform	the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox	[01:31]
asciilifeform	and they get lighter, lighter,....	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085215 o.O	[01:31]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu	[01:31]
asciilifeform	i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	nay, stepped in it.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085216 google produces http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/	[01:32]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche	[01:32]
assbot	These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChL53G )	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	also, i am not a cryptographer.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this	[01:33]
PFate	auger?	[01:33]
asciilifeform	auger.	[01:33]
PFate	that slang for collapse?	[01:33]
PFate	never heard it used outside building/drilling	[01:33]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ?	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	iirc it was 250 ?	[01:34]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: qntra writing	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	look in teh log	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085221 dude srsly with this still ?!	[01:35]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”	[01:35]
pete_dushenski	i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way."	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	so how wut.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085246 << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be.	[01:37]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: fxd	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085257 << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ?	[01:38]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/#comment-113407 so he was	[01:38]
assbot	Ok, ok, you had me :D pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChMUgW )	[01:38]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the trilema comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit."	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	twelve year old independent wild west girlie ?	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ?	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating.	[01:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ?	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	which fear was pretty fucking actual.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	boggles the mind.	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	but not so far off hariezer fanfic.	[01:43]
asciilifeform	in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life...	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho	[01:43]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	well what are they ?	[01:43]
asciilifeform	money laundromats ?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	it's socialist realism i tell you.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	Чапаев!	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	because this happened.	[01:45]
asciilifeform	http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/45435	[01:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ChPa7O )	[01:45]
asciilifeform	from other side of ocean.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	im thinking the 70s.	[01:46]
asciilifeform	or more egregiously,	[01:49]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mjKQkYctg	[01:49]
assbot	МУЛЬТФИЛЬМ Орлёнок - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChQbwA )	[01:49]
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asciilifeform	^ mega-genre-emblematic	[01:50]
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asciilifeform	'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in'	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	cinema a distant 3rd	[01:54]
asciilifeform	bad metal - mandatory	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	ok this cartoon is on point.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	absolutely mandatory for genre students	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	quite exactly the spirit.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements.	[01:55]
*	asciilifeform fesses up that he loved it to death as a boy	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	very unabashed red/black coloring etc	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	the problem is some never outgrow it.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	o fuck, frame in frame. defo.	[01:57]
asciilifeform	frame ?	[01:57]
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mircea_popescu	yes. pioneer kid at museum	[01:58]
asciilifeform	ah well yes.	[01:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085304 << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust.	[02:15]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085325 << well then you have no business here.	[02:18]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	saves me a bunch of reading at any rate.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	i dont think that was even a living thing	[02:19]
asciilifeform	but a script.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	it elizad when i spoke to it.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	sadly this is no longer much of a criteria.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	try a barrista sometime and see.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	a wut	[02:20]
BingoBoingo	Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be	[02:20]
asciilifeform	bartender?	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	chick that pours coffee.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	Ah	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender.	[02:20]
Chillum	its like a spanish waiter	[02:20]
Chillum	lol	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	"Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee."	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	ud has it.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	l0l	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	they could call themselves gheishas for the same money.	[02:21]
cazalla	asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista	[02:23]
asciilifeform	over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students	[02:23]
asciilifeform	who else.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	yes dude. those.	[02:23]
Chillum	my local coffee serving girl is rather bright	[02:24]
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Chillum	though she is an owner	[02:25]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 94,079.	[02:27]
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asciilifeform	'Let’s use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11)	[02:33]
asciilifeform	wtf?!	[02:33]
asciilifeform	ibm, the shrivelled husk?	[02:33]
asciilifeform	was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	much like zimmerman or any other number of people.	[02:35]
asciilifeform	getting headcrabbed will do that.	[02:36]
pete_dushenski	buffett in	[02:37]
pete_dushenski	1991 was on his game	[02:37]
pete_dushenski	then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships	[02:37]
pete_dushenski	;;seen brendafdez	[02:38]
gribble	brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.	[02:38]
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assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.mpoe	[03:06]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025516 / 0.0002719 (10198588 shares, 2,602.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.0002599 / 0.00028207 (44106582 shares, 11,463.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028916 / 0.0004493 (103963514 shares, 30,062.38 BTC)	[03:06]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533582 << curious to know if this ever happened	[03:41]
assbot	Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..	[03:41]
ben_vulpes	hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all.	[03:44]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: tee hee i know	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	aok	[03:44]
ben_vulpes	more ribbing nubbins`, really	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins ?! how's he involved	[03:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58524 @ 0.00027215 = 15.9273 BTC [-] {2}	[03:45]
ben_vulpes	read the linked thread!	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ?	[03:46]
ben_vulpes	the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction	[03:46]
ben_vulpes	nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss...	[03:46]
ben_vulpes	old logs are a trip, i guess.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	kinda why we even have them.	[03:47]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085482 << hear hear	[03:47]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	"o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!"	[03:49]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085490 << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them.	[03:49]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	"that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage"	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend.	[03:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00027 = 11.016 BTC [-]	[03:51]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians!	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale.	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	they're so down they make you want to kill yourself!	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa.	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	ya christ	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	two degrees of soparation here.	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	well, eu that part of the world more than us.	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	hm what part of russia is he from?	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	well, "russia"	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	the ukraine :D	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?"	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	:(	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	i know nothinggggg	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah, how do you even jack off	[03:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00027218 = 2.3271 BTC [+]	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	i bet you need a woman even for that.	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	death by embarrass	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja.	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	i thought that was a british/irish thing.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	;;google pale of settlement	[03:59]
gribble	Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Pale of Settlement \| Jewish Virtual Library: ; YIVO \| Pale of Settlement:	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	shit jesus	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	ah this has been top log.	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	i am actually a horrible jew	[04:00]
ben_vulpes	all i care about is rockets	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:00]
ben_vulpes	you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	so it's a good example.	[04:02]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ?	[04:23]
pete_dushenski	it's the token charicature of 'the pale'	[04:23]
pete_dushenski	aaaand just-as-eyes-close-scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/03/aligning-incentives/	[04:24]
assbot	Aligning incentives. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8veMj )	[04:24]
pete_dushenski	bon soir a tous!	[04:24]
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mircea_popescu	the movie's actually pretty good.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	"if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!"	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	"Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously."	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	hmm, lemme restate.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	dat semitic word order ffs.	[04:45]
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BingoBoingo	cooperate, civility determined unnecessary https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/04/03/essay-thoughts-community-college-curmudgeons-and-how-engage-them	[05:02]
assbot	Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYid6k )	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	"Maybe if they’d listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldn’t be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students’ loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though."	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it...	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/66d5c4c3c7fb72b8c71d7e55577bd005/tumblr_mu7rn8FqsG1scdinwo1_500.jpg	[05:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1apWgSk )	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	dat spelling.	[05:09]
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scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-march-2015-statement/	[05:11]
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mircea_popescu	jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	not that he wouldn't, mind you.	[10:53]
danielpbarron	height=310563 vs height=219979	[11:03]
Chillum	geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?:	[11:04]
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mircea_popescu	Chillum yes.	[11:10]
Chillum	wow that is some increase in volume	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	note that they're almost never full, either.	[11:11]
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Chillum	the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop	[11:13]
Chillum	s/rull/run/	[11:14]
nubbins`	^	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	the % yes.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	just look at "computer programming"	[11:16]
Chillum	any system will have to live with imbeciles	[11:16]
Chillum	on Earth at least	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	live with, sure.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : http://mandyswanson.tumblr.com/	[11:17]
assbot	Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJBVj )	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	tru story.	[11:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17813 @ 0.00027384 = 4.8779 BTC [+]	[11:17]
Chillum	sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality?	[11:18]
Chillum	what does a blog accomplish?	[11:18]
Chillum	anyone can make a fake one	[11:18]
Chillum	I prefer KFC to KYC	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one.	[11:18]
Chillum	I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	tough.	[11:20]
Chillum	the general population has a strong tendency for crazies	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	it's the law Chillum !	[11:20]
Chillum	in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year	[11:21]
Chillum	s/ip/id/	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086243 << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes.	[11:21]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ?	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	Chillum what do you mean "in canada"	[11:22]
Chillum	Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout	[11:22]
Chillum	It is a big country that I live in	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	us first best only country.	[11:23]
Chillum	us?	[11:23]
nubbins`	a	[11:23]
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nubbins`	canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions	[11:24]
nubbins`	take chillum, myself, and a quebecois	[11:24]
nubbins`	probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees	[11:24]
Chillum	poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is	[11:25]
Chillum	perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it	[11:25]
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nubbins`	most poutine around here is totally bastardized	[11:25]
nubbins`	stretch mozza instead of curds	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	!up gabridome	[11:25]
-assbot-	You voiced gabridome for 30 minutes.	[11:25]
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nubbins`	with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine	[11:26]
Chillum	the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries	[11:26]
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nubbins`	see? nothing in common	[11:26]
nubbins`	totally culturally disparate	[11:26]
Chillum	Vancouver Island is a culture of its own	[11:26]
nubbins`	so is newfoundland island	[11:27]
Chillum	we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures	[11:27]
nubbins`	for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is	[11:27]
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Chillum	and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year	[11:28]
nubbins`	in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver	[11:28]
Chillum	I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island	[11:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77269 @ 0.00027433 = 21.1972 BTC [+] {3}	[11:28]
nubbins`	heh	[11:29]
nubbins`	it was 12C here three days ago	[11:29]
nubbins`	yesterday: snow	[11:29]
Chillum	of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	"Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14"	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[11:29]
Chillum	they have plenty of gold	[11:29]
nubbins`	Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D	[11:29]
nubbins`	ah, the seasonal homeless	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad.	[11:30]
Chillum	yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw.	[11:30]
nubbins`	sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind	[11:30]
Chillum	we don't give them places to live	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent	[11:31]
Chillum	finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses.	[11:31]
Chillum	we have almost no vacancies here	[11:31]
nubbins`	vacancy was below 1% here for a while	[11:31]
nubbins`	market's cooling off now	[11:31]
Chillum	If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year	[11:32]
nubbins`	or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out	[11:32]
nubbins`	but who wants to move in winter?	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	“We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything!	[11:32]
nubbins`	silent arrears	[11:32]
nubbins`	i like that	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	nonono	[11:33]
nubbins`	"we won't tell anyone when the money is gone"	[11:33]
Chillum	is that like a silent fart?	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS.	[11:33]
nubbins`	o o o!	[11:33]
nubbins`	my focus was diverted	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class!	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	and it's a process!	[11:33]
nubbins`	dat process	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	not a state or anything, phenomena baby.	[11:33]
nubbins`	i bet they have a "roadmap"	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	o, obviously.	[11:33]
nubbins`	1) use all moniez	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling,	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	but it must be someone.	[11:33]
nubbins`	2) ???	[11:34]
nubbins`	3) profit!	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i kinda like the way this works.	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house.	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children"	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	it's teh law!	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	so, payup.	[11:36]
nubbins`	bbl	[11:36]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ?	[11:40]
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Chillum	longing for the days of feudalism?	[11:43]
Chillum	back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet.	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086281 << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design.	[11:44]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"	[11:44]
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mircea_popescu	next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.	[11:44]
Chillum	when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form	[11:44]
Chillum	it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	mebbe see http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/	[11:45]
assbot	Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQRGcB )	[11:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up cnerd	[12:05]
-assbot-	You voiced cnerd for 30 minutes.	[12:05]
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mircea_popescu	shoot.	[12:06]
cnerd	yea, ok, awesome	[12:06]
cnerd	I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	!s dd4bc	[12:06]
assbot	1 results for 'dd4bc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dd4bc	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	weirdly this rings no bells.	[12:07]
cnerd	let me remind you :)	[12:07]
cnerd	http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/	[12:07]
assbot	The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW6bEI )	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	o wait, with the ddos. ok ok.	[12:08]
cnerd	yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards?	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried.	[12:08]
cnerd	so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they?	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema+fetlife+butthurt )	[12:11]
assbot	trilema fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW76oT )	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten.	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no.	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are.	[12:12]
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mircea_popescu	do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter.	[12:12]
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cnerd	I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	np.	[12:13]
asciilifeform	;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be.	[12:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	you know incidentally this fucking sucks.	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too!	[12:14]
asciilifeform	there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ?	[12:15]
asciilifeform	scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings.	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi.	[12:16]
asciilifeform	asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors	[12:17]
asciilifeform	is just a bonus.	[12:17]
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artifexd	A dhcp?	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs.	[12:18]
asciilifeform	ipv6-style ?	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme...	[12:18]
asciilifeform	which?	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot.	[12:18]
asciilifeform	well sure	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	the ipv4.	[12:18]
asciilifeform	ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[12:19]
asciilifeform	'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more'	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so.	[12:19]
asciilifeform	aha.	[12:20]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q.	[12:20]
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mircea_popescu	the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity.	[12:20]
asciilifeform	they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	i don't see how it answers that ?	[12:21]
asciilifeform	they do exactly what is expected of'em.	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things.	[12:22]
asciilifeform	sorta like u.s. credit card chumps	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	well yes but this can be said universally of anyone.	[12:22]
asciilifeform	when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation.	[12:23]
asciilifeform	last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ?	[12:23]
asciilifeform	aha	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	undisputed, but what does it help.	[12:23]
asciilifeform	but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	but... they do not in fact.	[12:23]
asciilifeform	the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ?	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	they could waste it better than the greeks their 20.	[12:24]
asciilifeform	they did, and did!	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	nah, they got some pittance, bn and half.	[12:25]
asciilifeform	not quite 100	[12:25]
asciilifeform	aha	[12:25]
asciilifeform	why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ?	[12:25]
asciilifeform	same idea	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	ru navy staff is probably all drunk today	[12:26]
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mircea_popescu	worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM."	[12:26]
punkman	they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work.	[12:28]
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punkman	ah they are gonna pay after all http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-eurozone-greece-payment-idUSKBN0MU0M620150403	[12:31]
assbot	Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	is that actual or reuters confabulating	[12:32]
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mircea_popescu	"Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'"	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"	[12:34]
punkman	heh	[12:34]
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mats	http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/dsm/4958797469.html	[12:39]
assbot	best of craigslist: Disk Ripper for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWeWi0 )	[12:39]
trinque	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150402/15274630528/fbi-uncovers-another-its-own-plots-senator-feinstein-responds-saying-we-should-censor-internet.shtml << have to censor the internet because of the Anarchist's Cookbook... what year is it?!?!	[12:40]
assbot	FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet \| Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWfdSn )	[12:40]
Chillum	Senators are funny	[12:41]
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mircea_popescu	"we" ? what fucking we.	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business.	[12:50]
Chillum	we are not amused	[12:54]
asciilifeform	the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally.	[13:01]
asciilifeform	(though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not)	[13:02]
asciilifeform	http://news.yahoo.com/u-arrests-two-women-over-alleged-bomb-plot-155326569.html ^ the l0l from trinque's link	[13:04]
assbot	Two New York City women accused of planning 'terrorist attack' - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLqi3Y )	[13:04]
asciilifeform	so they're doing gurlz now.	[13:05]
asciilifeform	that, i suppose, is new.	[13:05]
Chillum	soon you will have to take your bra off in airports	[13:05]
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asciilifeform	the day of the first uterus bomb approaches.	[13:06]
trinque	asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real	[13:06]
trinque	fuckin moron he was	[13:06]
asciilifeform	trinque: he tested ?	[13:06]
trinque	I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah	[13:06]
trinque	or whatever the procedure was	[13:06]
Chillum	I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_	[13:06]
Chillum	if only make you dizzy	[13:07]
trinque	probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy	[13:07]
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asciilifeform	'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.'	[13:08]
asciilifeform	soldering!	[13:08]
asciilifeform	burn the witches.	[13:08]
asciilifeform	'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.'	[13:08]
asciilifeform	^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail.	[13:09]
trinque	sounds like an average suburban shed	[13:10]
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Chillum	reading textbooks!	[13:10]
asciilifeform	watched online videos about soldering !	[13:10]
nubbins`	i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed	[13:10]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic	[13:11]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes	[13:11]
nubbins`	sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly	[13:11]
nubbins`	check this out	[13:11]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3x19hUaP	[13:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iCPs )	[13:11]
nubbins`	that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches	[13:11]
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nubbins`	but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263	[13:12]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch	[13:12]
nubbins`	o	[13:12]
asciilifeform	it doesn't really fix things	[13:12]
nubbins`	anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t	[13:12]
nubbins`	and now when i run ./auto.sh, i get:	[13:12]
asciilifeform	because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with-	[13:12]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P58bTpz3	[13:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iS12 )	[13:13]
nubbins`	i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices	[13:14]
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nubbins`	ah fuck	[13:19]
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nubbins`	no, that's not the right way to do it at all	[13:20]
nubbins`	hold on now	[13:20]
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mircea_popescu	lmao electricity and soldering.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days.	[13:21]
mike_c	because the average ____ knows how to solder?	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	i would expect ?	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	the average romanian knows how to solder.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line.	[13:23]
mike_c	not much to know, but it's not genetic.	[13:23]
mike_c	gotta learn sometime	[13:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ?	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	no, average gurl can make goulash.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	"The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month."	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	they pleaded!!!!	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	inb4 pleaderated.	[13:25]
ben_vulpes	pleadarasty	[13:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands.	[13:26]
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nubbins`	total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway	[13:33]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men	[13:40]
nubbins`	lel.	[13:41]
nubbins`	y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other	[13:41]
nubbins`	rather than halting at the ambiguity	[13:41]
nubbins`	if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cnbdqf0Y	[13:42]
trinque	when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily	[13:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GScSOP )	[13:42]
trinque	lol	[13:42]
nubbins`	the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there	[13:42]
nubbins`	and explicitly declare it when needed	[13:42]
nubbins`	but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task	[13:43]
nubbins`	unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway	[13:44]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die	[13:46]
asciilifeform	what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build	[13:47]
asciilifeform	and not otherwise.	[13:47]
asciilifeform	my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.	[13:47]
asciilifeform	(see earlier thread.)	[13:47]
nubbins`	incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files	[13:48]
asciilifeform	but they presumably agree with one another	[13:48]
nubbins`	they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch	[13:48]
asciilifeform	(and with libs)	[13:48]
nubbins`	why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me	[13:48]
asciilifeform	that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there	[13:48]
asciilifeform	dies before they get evaluated.	[13:48]
asciilifeform	this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves	[13:49]
nubbins`	seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances.	[13:49]
asciilifeform	you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf.	[13:49]
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nubbins`	oh there's that.	[13:53]
asciilifeform	jurov: aha yes there is, look.	[13:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.00027 = 10.3966 BTC [-]	[13:58]
asciilifeform	trinque: that indictment is pure gold	[14:07]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?	[14:07]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086332 you mean such decrees as this? http://valdaiclub.com/russia_in_foreign_media/56980.html	[14:09]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.	[14:09]
assbot	Putin decree targets elite’s foreign assets ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCcT6s )	[14:09]
asciilifeform	jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ?	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	"into the country’s top-level bureaucrats and state employees "	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	see the difference ?	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.	[14:10]
jurov	lol, you have never interacted with the govt?	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[14:12]
jurov	or anyone in the US had?	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	that's their problem.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc.	[14:12]
jurov	you ever paid any taxes?	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	all the time.	[14:12]
jurov	and that's not "having interacted"?	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	not what i meant eh.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted	[14:13]
asciilifeform	owns	[14:13]
asciilifeform	not 'lost'	[14:13]
asciilifeform	perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned.	[14:14]
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asciilifeform	except thermodynamics gets in the way	[14:14]
asciilifeform	they long ate and shat it.	[14:14]
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Chillum	feed it to the mushrooms	[14:14]
Chillum	feed them shit, keep them in the dark	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	"here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy."	[14:15]
jurov	aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper?	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	because rule of law jurov.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	which is why i write about people like bfl on trilema, but not about any one of the countless heists.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well how'd he know.	[14:16]
jurov	alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare	[14:17]
asciilifeform	jurov: mr o takes half of what i make.	[14:17]
asciilifeform	and then some	[14:17]
asciilifeform	and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	they have taxes in russia too don';t they ?	[14:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 15% flat	[14:18]
asciilifeform	FLAT	[14:18]
asciilifeform	last i checked.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit.	[14:18]
trinque	asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll?	[14:18]
asciilifeform	which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ?	[14:18]
asciilifeform	during 'privatization'	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	entirely different story.	[14:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not different at all. anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	"steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ?	[14:19]
asciilifeform	how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ?	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	well, the papers show they bought and sold.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	this is fine.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt.	[14:20]
asciilifeform	'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	and so...	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	not their problem.	[14:20]
asciilifeform	as crown concession from new regime	[14:20]
asciilifeform	crown gave - crown took.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	also not their problem.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it.	[14:20]
asciilifeform	if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell.	[14:21]
asciilifeform	the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house".	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	you still don't fucking sign.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	once you've settled, you've settled.	[14:21]
asciilifeform	i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears'	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike.	[14:22]
asciilifeform	but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations'	[14:22]
asciilifeform	same right of might as his original rape	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	depends on how the stuff was formalised.	[14:22]
asciilifeform	except the cock's on the other pudenda now.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	which is what rule of law is all about.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law,	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	the people who didn't sign a confession walk	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	the people who did sign a confession stay in.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ?	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	that really has no bearing on the case here.	[14:23]
Chillum	If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next	[14:23]
Chillum	want to set a precedent	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise.	[14:24]
*	mats slaps forehead	[14:24]
asciilifeform	Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ?	[14:24]
asciilifeform	l0l	[14:24]
Chillum	I intend to be eaten by wolves	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever,	[14:24]
mats	kill yourself	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend.	[14:24]
trinque	maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS	[14:24]
asciilifeform	mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough.	[14:24]
Chillum	trinque: ^^	[14:24]
Chillum	yup	[14:24]
Chillum	plan for failure	[14:25]
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mircea_popescu	if you plan for failure, go home.	[14:25]
mats	ought to have properly executed every last baathist.	[14:25]
Chillum	failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure	[14:25]
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mircea_popescu	ha. you and what army mats ?	[14:25]
trinque	"they" "should"	[14:25]
trinque	the them!	[14:25]
asciilifeform	anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ?	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	oic. yes, they should. and they actually do.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not.	[14:26]
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asciilifeform	i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers.	[14:27]
trinque	asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan	[14:28]
trinque	maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire	[14:28]
asciilifeform	trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink'	[14:28]
asciilifeform	trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child.	[14:28]
trinque	not in terms of thinking creatures, though	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	but we were discussing agency rather than techne here	[14:29]
asciilifeform	when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable-	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily.	[14:29]
asciilifeform	go try respect a puddle	[14:29]
trinque	it's too early in the morning for this zen shit	[14:29]
trinque	:p	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant.	[14:30]
trinque	seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war	[14:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle	[14:32]
asciilifeform	rain is respectable.	[14:32]
trinque	I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	golden rain tho.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	if that's not piss...	[14:32]
trinque	though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	(and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss)	[14:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: pH ?	[14:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00027493 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {2}	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	the little buggers are really persistent.	[14:33]
asciilifeform	i suppose you only need one spermatozoid	[14:33]
asciilifeform	(though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants)	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	which is weird, considering.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms.	[14:33]
*	asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing	[14:34]
trinque	https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5948003/scientists-discover-killer-roundworm-sperm-hermaphrodites	[14:36]
asciilifeform	'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.'	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	...	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	you have got to be kidding me.	[14:36]
asciilifeform	( http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1700764-velentzas-and-siddiqui-complaint.html#document/p2 )	[14:36]
assbot	Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( http://bit.ly/1CChaqq )	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders"	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ?	[14:38]
asciilifeform	'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.'	[14:39]
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asciilifeform	https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption << mega-l0l	[14:44]
assbot	ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCirhj )	[14:44]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either	[14:45]
asciilifeform	'https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?'	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	do they indicate where to send process ?	[14:46]
asciilifeform	cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand'	[14:46]
cazalla	http://dpaste.com/2E1T9JN	[14:46]
assbot	dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCiJ7I )	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao.	[14:46]
asciilifeform	judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.'	[14:48]
asciilifeform	or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ?	[14:49]
asciilifeform	the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds.	[14:50]
asciilifeform	if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ?	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head.	[14:51]
asciilifeform	but not in the mail	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	in whatever manner.	[14:51]
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asciilifeform	and not because of a verdict from an american court.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	if that is true, that is to their detriment.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows.	[14:53]
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asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l!	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	well sure it is.	[15:03]
cazalla	i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own fortune.com	[15:04]
asciilifeform	'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....'	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3	[15:07]
assbot	dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10wlR )	[15:07]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	you can readily ignore the muppet.	[15:08]
asciilifeform	probably same result from each 10k	[15:08]
asciilifeform	but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good	[15:09]
asciilifeform	*paint	[15:09]
cazalla	it's fortune.com really no difference	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	that's right. not yet, they don't.	[15:09]
mats	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897445 << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf	[15:10]
assbot	Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks	[15:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmSJ0 )	[15:10]
asciilifeform	mats: http://www.mvkworld.com/eBooks/pages/Science%20Fiction/Poul_William_Anderson_-_The_Man_Who_Came_Early.pdf << MUCH better story about same	[15:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmWs2 )	[15:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00027 = 1.863 BTC [-]	[15:10]
mats	we'll see.	[15:10]
asciilifeform	more realistic ending, for one.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	and less sanctimonious twain bullshit	[15:11]
mike_c	search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days	[15:12]
mike_c	^ mthreat?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	which issues be those ?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	!s issues	[15:15]
assbot	696 results for 'issues' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=issues	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	Checking Query Cache For Query 53 µs	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time	[15:15]
mike_c	issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days	[15:16]
asciilifeform	checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	!s fortune	[15:17]
assbot	176 results for 'fortune' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fortune	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching	[15:17]
mike_c	1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast..	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	perhaps they even show us how to make one.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	mike_c game server whadda ya want	[15:18]
asciilifeform	aliens - yes, on account of light speed.	[15:18]
mike_c	ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :)	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers'	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers.	[15:19]
trinque	ah three joins isn't that bad	[15:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: same rot	[15:20]
mike_c	and he said us, not ms	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	i really have no idea. and yes micro.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	micro - less abjectly idiotic	[15:20]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080139 << ahem	[15:23]
assbot	Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336	[15:23]
asciilifeform	that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though	[15:23]
cazalla	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086310 <<< what's DTF mean? down to fish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHn79buv5-o	[15:24]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times	[15:24]
assbot	Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13Ddw )	[15:24]
nubbins`	haha	[15:24]
nubbins`	down to fish, yeah	[15:24]
asciilifeform	wut	[15:24]
nubbins`	i kid	[15:25]
nubbins`	down to FUCK, yo	[15:25]
nubbins`	should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look	[15:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00027 = 7.8975 BTC [-]	[15:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00027071 = 4.6562 BTC [+]	[15:34]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: what's in your patch ?	[15:37]
nubbins`	modifies auto.sh to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances	[15:39]
nubbins`	pretty hatchety	[15:39]
nubbins`	build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto	[15:40]
nubbins`	i guess, anyway. verifying now	[15:40]
mod6	this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for.	[15:42]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UTehUrB2	[15:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IvZqhP )	[15:42]
nubbins`	mod6 this isn't for consumption	[15:43]
asciilifeform	jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ?	[15:43]
nubbins`	just playing around	[15:43]
mod6	ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated	[15:44]
nubbins`	i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward	[15:45]
nubbins`	no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion	[15:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00027 = 6.0615 BTC [-]	[15:48]
mats	asciilifeform: good read.	[15:51]
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nubbins`	hi hfdhfhfhurururhf	[15:52]
asciilifeform	meowmix.	[15:52]
nubbins`	8)	[15:52]
asciilifeform	!up hfdhfhfhurururhf	[15:52]
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asciilifeform	robot, what is your purpose ?	[15:52]
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asciilifeform	i guess ^ that.	[15:52]
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nubbins`	if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MVWupgZj	[15:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1G8Q )	[15:56]
nubbins`	that's them	[15:56]
trinque	asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/XPYPHAJ.png	[15:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1V3Q )	[15:57]
cazalla	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang	[15:57]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.	[15:57]
asciilifeform	trinque: wat	[15:58]
jurov	asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically	[15:59]
trinque	asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there	[15:59]
cazalla	nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages	[15:59]
asciilifeform	jurov: ok then no	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this!	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	same fucking everything untouched.	[16:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ?	[16:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00027214 = 9.7834 BTC [+] {3}	[16:01]
asciilifeform	and what's it do instead of booting	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	one sec ima take a picture of it.	[16:02]
jurov	wasn't it april fools cd?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gentoo-derpage.jpg <	[16:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw3fDI )	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	can't access tty ? srsly ?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ?	[16:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ?	[16:07]
asciilifeform	lilo ?	[16:07]
asciilifeform	kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	w/e comes with the minimal install	[16:08]
asciilifeform	was, judging by this photo, given none.	[16:08]
asciilifeform	it wants one	[16:08]
asciilifeform	or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	it didn't want one last night ;/	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13164 @ 0.00027539 = 3.6252 BTC [+] {2}	[16:08]
asciilifeform	was disk in the drive	[16:08]
asciilifeform	last night	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[16:09]
asciilifeform	then.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	it's still in there now!	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	nothing whatsoever changed.	[16:09]
asciilifeform	try giving it the actual root device when it asks	[16:10]
asciilifeform	instead of letting it die into busybox	[16:10]
asciilifeform	(why even built it with busybox, i wonder)	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	moreover, im not aware i actually did	[16:10]
asciilifeform	didja even build this kernel.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd!	[16:10]
asciilifeform	cd is not build to be usable as rootfs	[16:11]
asciilifeform	*built	[16:11]
asciilifeform	(typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel')	[16:11]
asciilifeform	but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	at any rate, give it the rootfs.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used)	[16:12]
asciilifeform	then it will work for all time.	[16:13]
asciilifeform	alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se	[16:13]
asciilifeform	like i do on 'pogo' builds.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer.	[16:13]
asciilifeform	i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in	[16:14]
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asciilifeform	as just a disk.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah well that's nice, but srsly...	[16:15]
asciilifeform	look at your lilo (or grub) config.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD."	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	their fucking handbook or w/e that is.	[16:17]
asciilifeform	sure does	[16:17]
asciilifeform	-the linux on the cd-	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?!	[16:17]
asciilifeform	wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ?	[16:17]
asciilifeform	the one in the pic	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	yes dude	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	what do you think im going on about here!	[16:17]
asciilifeform	though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	no.	[16:18]
asciilifeform	!	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	see, THAT would have made sense.	[16:18]
*	asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	this is why i said you won't believe it.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	and b) wtf.	[16:18]
asciilifeform	and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[16:19]
asciilifeform	not some crazy sun dildostation.	[16:19]
asciilifeform	hm.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	but so far am very nonplussed.	[16:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00027559 = 4.1476 BTC [+]	[16:20]
asciilifeform	meanwhile,	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/libpthread-2.19.so)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/libc-2.19.so)	[16:21]
asciilifeform	and several dozen more like it.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	that's nice	[16:21]
asciilifeform	this is not weirdobuild either	[16:21]
asciilifeform	this is STANDARD dynamic	[16:22]
asciilifeform	am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	so apparently we found satoshi	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	his name is mel.	[16:22]
asciilifeform	shatoshi	[16:22]
asciilifeform	and people use this thing, huh.	[16:23]
*	asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad.	[16:23]
punkman	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.new	[16:28]
assbot	[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw70ZN )	[16:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00027559 = 3.252 BTC [+]	[16:28]
asciilifeform	woodc0ll3kt0r!!!	[16:29]
asciilifeform	he's back!	[16:29]
punkman	I don't even	[16:29]
nubbins`	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000081.html	[16:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw7L59 )	[16:33]
nubbins`	i also don't even	[16:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00027559 = 6.4901 BTC [+]	[16:34]
nubbins`	dem filenames	[16:34]
*	nubbins` files this away for next time	[16:34]
trinque	holy shit the guy's made dragonballs	[16:35]
jurov	nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later	[16:36]
trinque	"much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides	[16:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00027559 = 2.0945 BTC [+]	[16:37]
nubbins`	jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename	[16:37]
nubbins`	didn't realize the ml does it for me	[16:37]
jurov	lol never occurred to me someone would do it	[16:38]
nubbins`	lel @ woodcollector	[16:41]
nubbins`	he should write a book	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE.	[16:42]
asciilifeform	pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd	[16:42]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth	[16:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ?	[16:43]
asciilifeform	or 'warm'	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	all were cold.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached.	[16:43]
asciilifeform	as in, mains power removed ?	[16:43]
nubbins`	a	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	as in fans stopped.	[16:43]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	you want me to actually drain the mobo light ?	[16:43]
asciilifeform	yes.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	ok, trying this one for my own curio	[16:44]
nubbins`	asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned	[16:44]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova	[16:44]
nubbins`	:/	[16:44]
asciilifeform	not a finite count of it in the vessel	[16:44]
nubbins`	you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have	[16:44]
nubbins`	hahaha	[16:44]
*	nubbins` applauds	[16:44]
nubbins`	anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous	[16:45]
nubbins`	figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin	[16:45]
nubbins`	nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous	[16:45]
nubbins`	tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	but why add credence to idiocy.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	" Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins"	[16:47]
asciilifeform	ick, debased roman bitcoins	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	i mean, buy a plural ffs.	[16:47]
asciilifeform	only gold bitcoin is genuine.	[16:47]
nubbins`	forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	"I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle."	[16:48]
asciilifeform	know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet	[16:48]
asciilifeform	for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes!	[16:48]
asciilifeform	self-confessed	[16:48]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ?	[16:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: dram remanence ?	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	that reliable ?!	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about.	[16:50]
asciilifeform	http://www.cert.org/digital-intelligence/tools/afterlife.cfm? << depends on box	[16:50]
assbot	AfterLife \| Digital Intelligence and Investigation \| The CERT Division ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwaBXG )	[16:50]
nubbins`	"i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery"	[16:50]
asciilifeform	(whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram 0..top to a usb stick.)	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1.	[16:51]
nubbins`	nod	[16:51]
nubbins`	tbh i forgot about the guy	[16:51]
nubbins`	he must've been plotting this whole time	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	lol right.	[16:51]
asciilifeform	actually 'remanence' is wrong word here!	[16:51]
asciilifeform	because the dram was never powered down	[16:52]
asciilifeform	it is doing its job	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is	[16:52]
asciilifeform	warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting.	[16:52]
asciilifeform	pc owner oughta know that.	[16:52]
asciilifeform	(to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.)	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	^	[16:53]
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asciilifeform	so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what!	[16:53]
asciilifeform	my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:	[16:54]
asciilifeform	as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless.	[16:54]
asciilifeform	or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted	[16:54]
asciilifeform	into the ground.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	or how else could hold generations of turds.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	i even saw it, in dreams	[16:55]
asciilifeform	this titanic edifice.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs.	[16:55]
BingoBoingo	!b 8	[16:57]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B07BZW.txt )	[16:57]
asciilifeform	in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running...	[16:58]
asciilifeform	will say, after it syncs, if so, and how	[16:58]
asciilifeform	also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands	[16:59]
punkman	is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing?	[16:59]
asciilifeform	there is not an easy way to do much of anything.	[16:59]
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asciilifeform	what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ?	[17:03]
asciilifeform	i can't recall losing one...	[17:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41803 @ 0.00027 = 11.2868 BTC [-]	[17:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82501 @ 0.00027 = 22.2753 BTC [-]	[17:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00027 = 7.911 BTC [-]	[17:14]
mats	http://syprog.blogspot.ru/2015/04/linux-loadable-kernel-module-in-assembly.html	[17:18]
assbot	System Programming: Linux Loadable Kernel Module in Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwfeRP )	[17:18]
asciilifeform	mats: works but ver magic.	[17:19]
mats	'ver magic'?	[17:20]
asciilifeform	mod won't load unless matches kernel ver.	[17:20]
mats	o.	[17:21]
asciilifeform	no big deal, not hard to determine.	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00027559 = 3.7205 BTC [+]	[17:22]
BingoBoingo	http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html << win	[17:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwhetk )	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00027561 = 9.4672 BTC [+] {2}	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	make n chain then make reorg	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00027 = 11.583 BTC [-]	[17:40]
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nubbins`	asciilifeform i think i've got it	[17:50]
asciilifeform	?	[17:50]
nubbins`	cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	"The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later."	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	fucking nuts.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30-man.html#R1.00 << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there	[17:56]
assbot	LGP - 30 PROGRAMMING MANUAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwkG6Z )	[17:56]
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asciilifeform	'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ?	[18:09]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 158.9876222 BTC. Current weight: 20,843.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	its english	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10913 @ 0.00027403 = 2.9905 BTC [+]	[18:16]
asciilifeform	its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ?	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	someone at royal mcbee i imagine.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	you wanted using instead of to use ?	[18:18]
asciilifeform	'it is always to be avoided' ?????!	[18:19]
trinque	"using numbers as instructions should always be avoided"	[18:19]
trinque	weird word order	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	yes ?	[18:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00027 = 18.468 BTC [-]	[18:24]
nubbins`	asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html	[18:26]
trinque	just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be	[18:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IwpadZ )	[18:26]
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nubbins`	others who are trying to build 0.5.3.1 on gentoo should also see above link ^	[18:27]
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nubbins`	build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory	[18:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00027 = 6.642 BTC [-]	[18:32]
nubbins`	but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo.	[18:32]
trinque	it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long	[18:32]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin	[18:34]
asciilifeform	only for seeding	[18:34]
nubbins`	nod	[18:34]
trinque	are you gents permanently opposed to vcs?	[18:34]
asciilifeform	it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat	[18:34]
asciilifeform	trinque: excellent question! see thread	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history."	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever.	[18:35]
*	trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	trinque what are we but vcs.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	we're opposed to retards.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922660	[18:35]
assbot	Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	^ mandatory thread	[18:35]
trinque	mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control	[18:35]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922669	[18:36]
assbot	Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code.	[18:36]
asciilifeform	^ this is absolutely vital to understand.	[18:36]
nubbins`	i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo	[18:37]
nubbins`	that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning	[18:37]
nubbins`	it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto"	[18:37]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX	[18:37]
asciilifeform	pretty dire so far as warnings go.	[18:38]
nubbins`	:D	[18:38]
trinque	asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands	[18:38]
trinque	but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide	[18:38]
asciilifeform	trinque: try to understand why.	[18:38]
trinque	it's just not clear which chains of patches are which	[18:38]
trinque	and will increasingly be so	[18:38]
asciilifeform	trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches	[18:38]
asciilifeform	that is, ones that made it into the release	[18:38]
asciilifeform	there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates.	[18:39]
nubbins`	trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon	[18:39]
trinque	lol	[18:39]
nubbins`	i'm not joking	[18:39]
asciilifeform	anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on.	[18:39]
nubbins`	anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	you're crazy even with the patch.	[18:40]
nubbins`	!s simple minded psychopath	[18:40]
trinque	entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release	[18:40]
assbot	4 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=simple+minded+psychopath	[18:40]
nubbins`	:D	[18:40]
nubbins`	ah w/e	[18:40]
trinque	but I see the sense of this	[18:40]
nubbins`	i think the original was hyphenated	[18:40]
asciilifeform	trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first.	[18:41]
asciilifeform	well, pseudo-biblical	[18:41]
trinque	asciilifeform: something something nose tent	[18:41]
ben_vulpes	trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e	[18:41]
ben_vulpes	branch, apply patch, run tests in vm	[18:41]
ben_vulpes	attempt to compile et	[18:41]
ben_vulpes	etc*	[18:41]
trinque	so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch	[18:41]
trinque	you're just manually doing the same thing	[18:42]
*	trinque shrugs	[18:42]
asciilifeform	it is NOT the same thing!	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	nobody's collaborating on anything man	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet	[18:42]
trinque	and this is desirable?	[18:42]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes yes it does :)	[18:42]
asciilifeform	it doesn't compile -statically-	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	ah, nubbins -- sanity!	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	well, yes.	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	compiles to my requirements.	[18:42]
nubbins`	asciilifeform yes it does!	[18:42]
asciilifeform	trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ?	[18:43]
asciilifeform	and their reactor controls	[18:43]
ben_vulpes	does not compile to my requirements, i mean.	[18:43]
asciilifeform	the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing'	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086328 >> he's right.	[18:43]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it does suck and he just doesn't see it	[18:43]
asciilifeform	sometimes, the -process- matters.	[18:43]
trinque	ok, I am aware of your perspective	[18:43]
asciilifeform	because the -process- provides guarantees of...	[18:43]
asciilifeform	!s provenance	[18:43]
assbot	26 results for 'provenance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=provenance	[18:43]
trinque	you can easily verify the output of git	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience	[18:44]
nubbins`	haha	[18:44]
asciilifeform	because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits	[18:44]
nubbins`	the adversarial approach to development	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	(also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay)	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	"it rubbed me nicely, same thing"	[18:44]
trinque	not at all what I'm saying	[18:44]
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asciilifeform	trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind	[18:45]
asciilifeform	and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware.	[18:46]
nubbins`	"patch" = updating 5,000 files at once	[18:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: eventually	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points	[18:46]
trinque	if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	it's still fucking version control.	[18:46]
trinque	running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it	[18:46]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it.	[18:46]
nubbins`	asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn	[18:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00027209 = 6.2581 BTC [+] {3}	[18:47]
asciilifeform	trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short	[18:47]
asciilifeform	like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg	[18:47]
nubbins`	<+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/	[18:47]
nubbins`	have you LOOKED at the code? :S	[18:47]
trinque	you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p	[18:48]
nubbins`	8)	[18:48]
trinque	who is "we" there?	[18:48]
nubbins`	for dramatic effect	[18:48]
trinque	everyone who ever poked his dick into the github?	[18:48]
nubbins`	everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin	[18:48]
asciilifeform	the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous	[18:48]
asciilifeform	and 100% fatal.	[18:48]
trinque	by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall	[18:49]
trinque	anyhow, proceed as you like	[18:49]
nubbins`	noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph	[18:50]
nubbins`	y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life	[18:50]
trinque	"actual cars" ?	[18:50]
nubbins`	<+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p	[18:50]
trinque	ahahha	[18:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00027 = 4.698 BTC [-]	[18:51]
nubbins`	for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph	[18:51]
nubbins`	except maybe freefalling	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	this is why you like the two ton mercedes.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	flies at 200km/h	[18:51]
nubbins`	ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205.	[18:52]
nubbins`	(this only works downhill)	[18:52]
trinque	nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130	[18:52]
trinque	current vw crapwagon nope	[18:52]
nubbins`	trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks?	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that.	[18:52]
nubbins`	and thus, the analogy complete.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	we nearly fucking died.	[18:52]
nubbins`	WOO	[18:53]
nubbins`	height=6538	[18:53]
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mircea_popescu	look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether.	[18:53]
trinque	mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	i don't drive either, but yeah.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that.	[18:54]
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trinque	nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind?	[18:57]
nubbins`	again, you deliberately misunderstand	[18:57]
trinque	all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center	[18:57]
nubbins`	it's not a question of who i want working on it	[18:57]
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nubbins`	or of who i "want" "working" on it	[18:58]
trinque	the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch	[18:58]
nubbins`	i dunno man	[18:58]
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punkman	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-a-3-85-latte-paid-for-with-a-fake-100-bill-lead-to-counterfeit-kingpins-downfall/	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos	[19:00]
assbot	How a $3.85 latte paid for with a fake $100 bill led to counterfeit kingpin’s downfall \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gau2bl )	[19:00]
trinque	I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that.	[19:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00027 = 12.204 BTC [-]	[19:01]
ben_vulpes	i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today	[19:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00027 = 4.8308 BTC [-]	[19:04]
mats	https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/viceroy-french-horn-rebellion	[19:06]
assbot	Viceroy u0026 French Horn Rebellion - Friday Nights by VICEROY - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1yKnzMl )	[19:06]
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jurov	https://shapeshift.io/blog.html wow, evoor is really intrepid	[19:33]
assbot	The ShapeShift Blog \| Shape Shift \| The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbYMt5 )	[19:33]
jurov	(scroll down and bask in his blue eyes)	[19:34]
jurov	"Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down	[19:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00027 = 24.327 BTC [-]	[19:36]
jurov	"creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass.	[19:36]
BingoBoingo	He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes?	[19:36]
jurov	yes	[19:36]
nubbins`	heh	[19:38]
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nubbins`	breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't	[19:38]
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asciilifeform	i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative.	[19:56]
asciilifeform	for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed.	[19:56]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31bwnf/seriously_this_will_most_likely_hail_downvotes/	[19:57]
assbot	[Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W )	[19:57]
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asciilifeform	26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	^ l0l	[20:02]
asciilifeform	( https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-SqZC5_Cmo6NUC1p3/gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1_djvu.txt )	[20:03]
assbot	Full text of "gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1.pdf (PDFy mirror)" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic3GGp )	[20:03]
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asciilifeform	'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en	[20:07]
asciilifeform	joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'	[20:07]
asciilifeform	but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM)	[20:08]
danielpbarron	!up Bagels7	[20:09]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgwoLCZ9Uc << obligatory	[20:09]
assbot	Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Frntyd )	[20:09]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version	[20:10]
assbot	Икар и мудрецы (Союзмультфильм) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrnKRD )	[20:10]
asciilifeform	'icarus and the wise men'	[20:10]
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asciilifeform	mega-recommended ^	[20:17]
asciilifeform	(mostly self-explanatory without transl.)	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem".	[20:22]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client'	[20:22]
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asciilifeform	(nor anything else)	[20:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19416 @ 0.00027601 = 5.359 BTC [+]	[20:22]
asciilifeform	i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv	[20:23]
ben_vulpes	huh	[20:23]
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asciilifeform	for a few things, even 'gmail'	[20:23]
asciilifeform	yes.	[20:23]
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ben_vulpes	i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one.	[20:23]
nubbins`	lel	[20:32]
nubbins`	some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics	[20:32]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/4jSKe	[20:32]
assbot	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel_head - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic9uzU )	[20:32]
nubbins`	(for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours)	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot.	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk?	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one.	[20:37]
nubbins`	i remember coinapult	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	"ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever."	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	so you need seed funding for that ?	[20:37]
nubbins`	woo stateless web!	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087343<< lol catching on huh.	[20:38]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 22:53:09; assbot: [Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W )	[20:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087347 << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction.	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087368 << which makes two of us.	[20:41]
assbot	Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv	[20:41]
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-assbot-	You voiced mbailin for 30 minutes.	[20:42]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/coinbase.com << lol	[20:42]
assbot	coinbase.com \| WOT Reputation Scorecard \| WOT (Web of Trust) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icbecv )	[20:42]
nubbins`	u wot m8	[20:43]
nubbins`	haha child safety wtf	[20:43]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Check the user reviews	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap.	[20:44]
nubbins`	ha	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	onlyslightlyrusted.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	"must be this dumb to ride!"	[20:45]
nubbins`	nor can i. guess you gotta log in	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	toolazy	[20:45]
nubbins`	compiling buildroot is a snoozefest	[20:46]
nubbins`	~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run	[20:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00027057 = 10.9446 BTC [-] {2}	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-141726 << "someone in the blogosphere"	[20:52]
assbot	Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money \| Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNtIQD )	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21864 @ 0.00027601 = 6.0347 BTC [+]	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00027 = 1.7415 BTC [-]	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s.	[20:53]
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nubbins`	i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests	[20:59]
nubbins`	you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here	[21:00]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch?	[21:00]
nubbins`	i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event	[21:01]
nubbins`	protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	K	[21:01]
nubbins`	if your vision starts to fade, tell someone	[21:01]
*	BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands	[21:02]
nubbins`	heh	[21:02]
*	BingoBoingo figures La Sernissima is economy oriented by might not want to go zip tie cheap, though "Master"Lock is cheaper than handcuffs	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/	[21:04]
assbot	BitBet (S.BBET) March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNvaTf )	[21:04]
nubbins`	you can get some tough zip ties	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	you can get zip ties on a braided steel basis.	[21:05]
nubbins`	but, fwiw, you also raise eyebrows buying biopsy punches as a private citizen	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Nah, just other things with them to lower the eyebrows back down.	[21:06]
nubbins`	wtf else am i gonna buy at a medical supply store	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	enema kits.	[21:07]
nubbins`	a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm	[21:07]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Well, if you want to seem normal... specimin slides, gauze, various dyes, and yes enema kits	[21:07]
nubbins`	yeah that'd do it	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	two 100 boxes of biopsy punches and 24 enema kits	[21:08]
nubbins`	ha	[21:08]
nubbins`	"you a doctor?" "nope" "...cash or credit?"	[21:08]
BingoBoingo	Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon"	[21:08]
BingoBoingo	*Your	[21:08]
nubbins`	in the guy's defense he didn't press further	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	speaking of skin cancer : did you know that mohs for melanoma works or doesn't work entirely depending on whoever does it ?	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	it might be the one still medical disease left.	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	^ True	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down"	[21:11]
nubbins`	wat	[21:12]
nubbins`	duod this was like 15 years ago ;/	[21:12]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds	[21:12]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run << ?!?!?! what are you using, a vax ?! 3.5 hours?	[21:12]
nubbins`	haha	[21:13]
nubbins`	a not well endowed vm	[21:13]
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nubbins`	BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches	[21:14]
nubbins`	although i've occasionally wished i had one while holding a particularly plump tangelo	[21:14]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: What if research determines wetware could benefit from integral faraday cage?	[21:14]
nubbins`	something draws me to it	[21:14]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo then i guess i'd have to fill all these fistulas up again	[21:15]
BingoBoingo	But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	btw re anarchist cookbook thing, it seems there's a bit of americana in there.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	aha.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it	[21:17]
nubbins`	asciilifeform 4gb ram but only 1 cpu core	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	and that this arrangement came to a halt recently, when some arkansas derps bought it, and are republishing a widely bowdlerized version.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook'	[21:18]
asciilifeform	what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ?	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	americana, i say.	[21:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00027601 = 2.0149 BTC [+]	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	(btw, i'd have figured you bought a hardcopy of tbofh)	[21:20]
asciilifeform	l0l	[21:21]
asciilifeform	in my mind they only exist as ascii txt.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree.	[21:21]
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BingoBoingo	Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves.	[21:22]
nubbins`	<+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<<	[21:22]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library	[21:23]
*	mircea_popescu gets flashbacks of alf dissatisfied with heroin on market, starting work on own poppies.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	IN AN EMULATOR!	[21:23]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/	[21:24]
nubbins`	phun phact, many flower shops sell opium poppy pods, dried	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	they grow wild in europe.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	wheat crop pest actually.	[21:24]
nubbins`	blue seas	[21:24]
nubbins`	i made tea from seeds once but chickened out	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	;;google cimp cu maci	[21:25]
gribble	Câmp cu maci (2011) on Vimeo: ; Fotografii maci pe Comunitate Foto: ; Camp de maci - YouTube:	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	one of the most cliche painting subjects too	[21:25]
mats	nubbins`: SWIM bought seeds, like you, and made a paste that we smoked. it was a lot of effort and very mild.	[21:27]
nubbins`	gross	[21:27]
mats	i think he boiled the stuff and then just let the water evaporate.	[21:28]
trinque	SWIM ... "we smoked" << lol	[21:28]
nubbins`	8)	[21:28]
mats	i'm new to this subterfuge thing.	[21:28]
trinque	man I remember discovering erowid back when	[21:29]
nubbins`	what a rabbit hole	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	at least, it was in a bunch of traditional romanian pastries i never cared for.	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/6/67/Bread.jpg/600px-Bread.jpg	[21:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NNxVUt )	[21:30]
nubbins`	same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels	[21:30]
nubbins`	poor elaine ;/	[21:30]
asciilifeform	who	[21:31]
mats	seinfeld reference.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling.	[21:31]
BingoBoingo	same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds	[21:32]
danielpbarron	nubbins`> i made tea from seeds once but chickened out << i've had poppy tea; it was very pleasurable	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce.	[21:33]
BingoBoingo	they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	aok	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life	[21:35]
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BingoBoingo	Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	what's smoking supposed to do.	[21:39]
mats	making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea	[21:43]
mats	but i thought, hey, you know, i'll try this stuff that white folk used to enslave a generation of my ancestors	[21:43]
asciilifeform	!b 2	[21:43]
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nubbins`	heh	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	wait, wut ?	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	ah, mats is from aznland ?	[21:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00027608 = 18.6906 BTC [+] {2}	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113438 << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward	[21:51]
assbot	Who made this ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAaXS )	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	http://junseth.com/post/112626834687/stop-talking-about-confirmation-speeds-start	[21:52]
assbot	#savetherobots — Stop Talking About Confirmation Speeds.... Start... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAl5r )	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	notbad either	[21:52]
mats	ya.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html	[22:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NNBxpr )	[22:03]
asciilifeform	^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo'	[22:04]
asciilifeform	^ this kind of binary -did- run on arch, etc.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	because the turds were present.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	there is a fucking -reason- why the gnomes sabotaged static building.	[22:08]
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asciilifeform	[root@alarm ~]# ldd bitcoind	[22:16]
asciilifeform	libdl.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb6f57000)	[22:16]
asciilifeform	libpthread.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb6f2e000)	[22:16]
asciilifeform	libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb6e52000)	[22:16]
asciilifeform	libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6da3000)	[22:16]
asciilifeform	libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6d74000)	[22:16]
danielpbarron	!up junseth	[22:16]
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asciilifeform	libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6c2e000)	[22:16]
asciilifeform	/lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6f6c000)	[22:16]
asciilifeform	^ on arch.	[22:16]
junseth	You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time.	[22:17]
danielpbarron	aww <3	[22:18]
junseth	Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu	[22:19]
danielpbarron	wow not often I encounter someone who has not only heard of b-a or trilema but also actually likes them	[22:21]
danielpbarron	!up Bagels7	[22:22]
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junseth	Haha. Well, I wouldn't say I have heard of Bitcoin assets so much as stumbled on ya'lls stuff from time to time.	[22:22]
danielpbarron	like where? where is it that is allowing b-a content to the surface ?	[22:23]
danielpbarron	got me shadowbanned on reddit	[22:23]
junseth	Haha did it?	[22:23]
junseth	Man, it's always weird shit	[22:24]
danielpbarron	well /r/bitcoin at least	[22:24]
junseth	I can tell you how I got here today	[22:24]
junseth	I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to	[22:24]
junseth	so I went to images.google.com and threw the URL in there.	[22:24]
junseth	And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log	[22:24]
danielpbarron	:D	[22:24]
danielpbarron	most things that are worth googling will lead to those results	[22:25]
junseth	You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here.	[22:25]
junseth	:)	[22:25]
danielpbarron	so do you have gpg by any chance?	[22:26]
Bagels7	I'm just here for the random violent porn	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	o hey junseth	[22:27]
junseth	I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	that sorta claim won't make friends.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway, never too late to get straightened out	[22:28]
junseth	Hahaha. Just kidding about the date.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	junseth so what do you do ? for a living i mean.	[22:29]
junseth	alarmgrid.com	[22:29]
junseth	I am a marketer. I own a DIY home security company.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	junseth how's that going ?	[22:30]
asciilifeform	(there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache)	[22:31]
junseth	Good. It's growing.	[22:31]
cazalla	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087484 <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew	[22:31]
assbot	Logged on 04-04-2015 00:20:38; nubbins`: i made tea from seeds once but chickened out	[22:31]
junseth	3rd year	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the lseek error seems perhaps reminiscent of the fat problems ?	[22:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it appears to be a deep-seated retardation in busybox's e2fs utils	[22:31]
cazalla	anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies http://notyouraveragepoppy.org.au/	[22:32]
assbot	Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNETsN )	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	junseth basically everything you sell is honeywell ?	[22:32]
junseth	At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	"Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh.	[22:33]
junseth	But yeah, I optimize one thing at a time	[22:33]
junseth	so we own the Honeywell search terms	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	"make them secrete ricin too!"	[22:33]
junseth	Now onto the next products.	[22:33]
junseth	Haha, but as you can see, at nights, ont he weekends, I do Bitcoin	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	"libc.so.6 => not found" << what the shit ?!	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc.	[22:39]
junseth	Haha, I like to play with this argument. If you want we can have it. I'll bite. What do you believe inflation to be?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	us had inflation over 10% a year (not counting moimentary flareups of 1000% APY for a day or w/e) almost each decade.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+	[22:40]
junseth	Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade.	[22:42]
BingoBoingo	junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades...	[22:42]
junseth	Hahaha	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	junseth roughly.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	behold : i declare my basket.	[22:43]
junseth	Hahaha	[22:43]
asciilifeform	the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol'	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	divide the sum of this basked in 1965 with the sum of this basket today	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	take into account the incredible decay in quality	[22:43]
junseth	I mean, if what you usually purchase is 3x more expensive now than it was a decade ago, I am baffled.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	(hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too)	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	and you'll notice we're looking at 10x not 3x.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	so : five to ten as bad college today as compared to 1965, which costs 100k instead of 10k. this is about 50x to 100x factor.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	much shittier houses today than in 1965, about a margin of 2 to 3, that cost... 30x more, just about.	[22:45]
junseth	I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	no.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ	[22:46]
junseth	RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different.	[22:46]
assbot	MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNGwGK )	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	i am not discussing your idea of a fair metric.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	i told you my metric. that's the metric.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric.	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up junseth	[22:47]
-assbot-	You voiced junseth for 30 minutes.	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	fact remains you ARE stuck paying for college. and you are stuck paying for "owning" a "house".	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	compared to this, i couldn't care less what ipads cost.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	seeing how i don't use them anyway.	[22:47]
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junseth	Hahaha. Well, fair enough. Give me a few minutes. I have to leave my office. I'll come back and do more of this.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	no rush	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	the b-a is eternal.	[22:48]
mats	21:41:40 <+junseth> RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. << you're wrong.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ?	[22:49]
junseth	I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	this is at best naive.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	markets are only efficient if they exist	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now.	[22:49]
junseth	It might be. I invite you to explain why it's naive. If you can tell me your inputs, I can tell you why I agree or disagree.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	ballet is not "an efficient market", for instance. even if it exists, phenomenologically.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	not everything that happens to be perceptible is automatically a free market by virtue of that.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market.	[22:51]
decimation	junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act?	[22:51]
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decimation	pretty good podcast http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in	[22:55]
decimation	terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about."	[22:55]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaWGJh )	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	anyways ill bbl.	[22:55]
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decimation	asciilifeform: re: official platform > I agree, it would be useful if a single build platform	[23:01]
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decimation	I suggest perhaps i486 on freebsd	[23:03]
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nubbins`	wat	[23:04]
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danielpbarron	!up junseth	[23:04]
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junseth	Thanks	[23:05]
danielpbarron	if you register a gpg key with assbot, i'm sure someone here will give you a +1 which would let you voice yourself, and that lasts longer than 30 minutes	[23:05]
junseth	One second, let me catch up	[23:05]
decimation	i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus	[23:05]
junseth	That's a very good idea. I'll do taht probably a little later tonight.	[23:05]
junseth	I really should have done it a long time ago	[23:05]
asciilifeform	i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	mmm, no.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	(and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.)	[23:08]
decimation	well, it's simpler than 'pentium'	[23:08]
decimation	well, i386 is dumb because it lacks floating point	[23:08]
decimation	failing that I was thinking mips with some variant of solaris	[23:08]
junseth	RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.	[23:09]
danielpbarron	i don't think the argument posed was that they don't work, but that the U.S. hasn't had one for the last century	[23:10]
trinque	^	[23:10]
decimation	junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe?	[23:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: solaris?!!!!?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	wtf	[23:15]
decimation	heh	[23:15]
decimation	I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris'	[23:15]
decimation	it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade'	[23:16]
decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-12-2014#946855	[23:16]
assbot	Logged on 06-12-2014 04:36:48; asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix	[23:17]
asciilifeform	i demand fewest bytes - period	[23:17]
asciilifeform	because will eventually have to read the disasm.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	unless one of you volunteer.	[23:17]
decimation	in that case, a simple instruction set is a boon	[23:19]
*	asciilifeform has a confession to make	[23:20]
*	asciilifeform bought a 2-sided laser printer and printed 0.5.3	[23:20]
*	asciilifeform could no more resist this.	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[23:20]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P92P3F.txt )	[23:20]
decimation	heh	[23:21]
asciilifeform	for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings	[23:21]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you colorize it	[23:21]
junseth	decimation: What do you define as "manipulation?"	[23:21]
BingoBoingo	it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated	[23:21]
asciilifeform	nope	[23:21]
asciilifeform	no color	[23:21]
asciilifeform	traditional b&w printer	[23:21]
decimation	BingoBoingo: ah but it has functional 'dtrace'	[23:21]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Do you want to make sense of ZFS turd?	[23:22]
decimation	junseth: well, in the simple case, the quantity of dollars that are 'allowed' to exist	[23:22]
decimation	zfs isn't needed to boot	[23:22]
*	asciilifeform unlike BingoBoingo, is not enamoured of 1980s commercial unixen	[23:22]
asciilifeform	even if 'opened' posthumously	[23:23]
decimation	asciilifeform: well, what would you suggest? buildroot?	[23:24]
danielpbarron	junseth, see also the arbitrary banning of various goods	[23:24]
BingoBoingo	Solaris in all likelyhood far too heavy and greasy to adapt to embedable minimalism	[23:24]
asciilifeform	buildroot.	[23:24]
decimation	on 486?	[23:24]
asciilifeform	on mips	[23:24]
asciilifeform	unrelated,	[23:25]
trinque	decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods"	[23:25]
asciilifeform	i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch'	[23:25]
junseth	Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	105300+ and no oom	[23:26]
trinque	junseth: I'm a "bitcoiner" to see central banking go extinct	[23:26]
asciilifeform	its a standard skull'n'crossbone orphanage burner with max cap set to 25	[23:27]
asciilifeform	and non-rollovering debug.log	[23:27]
nubbins`	nice	[23:27]
asciilifeform	^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	surely not satoshi ?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	why even have it, if it randomly loses itself	[23:27]
nubbins`	"a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody"	[23:28]
junseth	trinque: I don't know many Bitcoiners who would disagree. I'm just less vehement about that happening. I think Bitcoin is better money.	[23:28]
danielpbarron	ah yes, good habit to cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log between each restart	[23:28]
decimation	junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that	[23:28]
decimation	was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. "	[23:28]
decimation	http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/03/lawrence_h_whit.html	[23:28]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/19QrLDS )	[23:28]
danielpbarron	junseth, bitcoin is better money because of its decentralized nature	[23:29]
mats	oh thank god there's a transcript	[23:30]
decimation	mats: yeah it's a good episode, I recommend it	[23:30]
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junseth	Do you think that Bitocin would be better if it were backed by gold or silver?	[23:30]
danielpbarron	such a thing makes no sense	[23:31]
BingoBoingo	!up KatelynTaylor	[23:31]
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mats	what would that even entail?	[23:31]
KatelynTaylor	whats better AMD or Intel?	[23:31]
KatelynTaylor	what can run bitcoin better?	[23:31]
asciilifeform	!down meowmix	[23:31]
decimation	^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking	[23:31]
asciilifeform	!down KatelynTaylor	[23:31]
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asciilifeform	dearphuq.	[23:31]
BingoBoingo	!down KatelynTaylor meowmix	[23:31]
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mats	market maker offers exchange for metallics?	[23:31]
junseth	danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death'	[23:32]
danielpbarron	junseth, bitcoin is inherently valuable; it needs nothing else to back it	[23:32]
trinque	!s gold	[23:32]
assbot	1853 results for 'gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gold	[23:32]
danielpbarron	i like gold; i'd hapily accept gold coins in some sort of local economy	[23:33]
junseth	I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.	[23:33]
junseth	RE: Bitcoin's inherent value, I agree.	[23:33]
danielpbarron	but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on a monthly basis or something	[23:33]
nubbins`	sort of like how a car with a built-in stove would be better	[23:34]
asciilifeform	junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots.	[23:34]
punkman	car-stove sounds good	[23:34]
asciilifeform	how many nerve cells does it take to understand that a random net derp cannot back X with Y, for any value of x or y	[23:34]
decimation	junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term	[23:34]
junseth	hahaha, absolutely true.	[23:34]
asciilifeform	nor would he, if could	[23:34]
decimation	bitcoin is a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized	[23:35]
decimation	but its foundation of trust lies fully in its protocol and specification	[23:35]
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decimation	which is why the work of the foundation is so important	[23:36]
asciilifeform	!up junseth	[23:36]
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junseth	:) Haha. I agree with all of that.	[23:36]
junseth	I would be willing to bet a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree a lot about how markets work.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ?	[23:37]
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junseth	Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ?	[23:40]
asciilifeform	is that also a 'market' ?	[23:40]
asciilifeform	if not, why not ?	[23:40]
trinque	nothing in life is unregulated but this is distinct from saying all regulations come from one place	[23:40]
junseth	haha, a market of two people is a market.	[23:41]
junseth	a market of two things is a market	[23:41]
junseth	Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not	[23:42]
asciilifeform	how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will.	[23:42]
trinque	so the word means nothing	[23:42]
trinque	junseth: are two male chimps in a cage a viable ecosystem?	[23:45]
junseth	Haha, well a market is a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like a lot of things. But a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing.	[23:45]
junseth	Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact?	[23:45]
asciilifeform	words have -meanings.'	[23:45]
trinque	didn't say transact	[23:45]
trinque	junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets	[23:46]
decimation	asciilifeform: ok let's say you employ buildroot. which kernel? which gcc/glib?	[23:46]
asciilifeform	decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-.	[23:46]
decimation	heh	[23:46]
asciilifeform	the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point.	[23:47]
decimation	I would suggest a redhat-patched gcc actually	[23:48]
asciilifeform	ick	[23:48]
asciilifeform	why	[23:48]
decimation	well, they follow exactly the method you advocate	[23:48]
asciilifeform	what method would that be	[23:48]
decimation	if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball	[23:48]
asciilifeform	redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related.	[23:48]
asciilifeform	it is indelibly stained.	[23:49]
decimation	I get it, but a patch is a patch	[23:49]
asciilifeform	for what do i need these stooges' patches ?	[23:49]
decimation	certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone	[23:50]
asciilifeform	what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	straight from rms's arse	[23:50]
decimation	well, many of them are probably not useful in the context of buildroot	[23:50]
trinque	lol	[23:50]
decimation	but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about	[23:50]
asciilifeform	i don't want any redhat patches. if were any good, would have made it back into mainline.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...	[23:51]
decimation	i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported	[23:51]
asciilifeform	i do not want them in a lake, i do not want them on the stake, ...	[23:51]
decimation	redhat is used in many places	[23:52]
decimation	perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit'	[23:53]
*	asciilifeform has used, did not like.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	because, aside from the authorship,	[23:53]
asciilifeform	it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing.	[23:53]
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decimation	asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot	[23:55]
junseth	"junseth: I am drawing a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you	[23:55]
junseth	expound.	[23:55]
decimation	I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure	[23:58]
decimation	so one can take advantage of that which exists already commercially, or 'do it self'	[23:58]

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