Forum logs for 02 Jul 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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funkenstein_ | some light reading for you mats: http://www.codshit.com/bali.htm | [00:04] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1gbVkU9 ) | [00:04] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: I used "pegasus mail" client | [00:17] |
decimation | was vastly superior to eudora & alternatives | [00:17] |
ben_vulpes | madison dillon needs some practice | [00:17] |
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mats | i dunno how to do the calculations for homemade explosive like that | [00:19] |
mats | but that is of dubious authenticity | [00:19] |
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mats | and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think | [00:23] |
ben_vulpes | [00:23] | |
assbot | Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski | [00:23] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context? | [00:26] |
assbot | Logged on 01-07-2015 16:46:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something. | [00:26] |
ben_vulpes | people raise such idiots | [00:26] |
funkenstein_ | mats, if interested, for completeness, https://web.archive.org/web/20030210220533/http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm | [00:29] |
assbot | New Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ekNzKi ) | [00:30] |
funkenstein_ | it's all public, old, and fiction. great writer though. | [00:30] |
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mats | i miss blowing things up | [00:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00050398 = 40.3184 BTC [+] | [00:51] |
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asciilifeform | funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm | [00:56] |
assbot | MICRO NUKES IN LONDON ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3umOp ) | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | 'The April 1993 bomb was supposedly detonated in a parked garbage truck, but managed to create a huge crater in the road that was subsequently filmed by the media: another crucial error confirmed by independent explosives experts in Australia. The blast from most bombs takes the easiest path, in this case outwards then upwards to atmosphere. The crater could only have appeared if the bomb was dropped from an aircraft, or was b | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | uried in advance. Forget the "garbage truck", which was merely a decoy device. The crater is very impressive, measuring roughly forty feet deep by sixty feet in diameter.' | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | '... On the available evidence it seems the aspirations of a small arrogant bunch of men who decided to impose a "New World Order'" on a host of very unwilling small sovereign nations, did not think the exercise through to its perhaps inevitable conclusion. Those same arrogant men have placed tens of millions of citizens at risk because of their own gross incompetence and thirst for absolute power. The "New World Order" now se | [00:58] |
asciilifeform | ems set to face the unbridled wrath of large numbers of citizens for many years to come.' | [00:58] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183998 << author argues (in piece linked above) that the 'dirty bomb' meme was a fiction crafted as a pill against just this. | [01:01] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:44; mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think | [01:01] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes still awake ? | [01:04] |
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mats | lol | [01:11] |
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mats | http://jelmertiete.com/2015/06/30/Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650 | [01:11] |
assbot | Difference between CC2630 and CC2650 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3wC8e ) | [01:11] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies | [01:12] |
asciilifeform | mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx' | [01:13] |
decimation | plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground | [01:13] |
asciilifeform | decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway | [01:13] |
asciilifeform | anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone | [01:15] |
decimation | actually molten lead is pretty harmless | [01:16] |
decimation | it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem | [01:16] |
decimation | asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy | [01:17] |
asciilifeform | when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident' | [01:18] |
asciilifeform | mats: at this point it is rare for a commercial ic ~not~ to have functionality antifused out depending on product 'grade' | [01:19] |
decimation | yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks | [01:19] |
mats | right | [01:20] |
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asciilifeform | to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3. | [01:20] |
asciilifeform | (in usa) | [01:20] |
decimation | you can make it yourself I think | [01:22] |
decimation | if you are nuts | [01:22] |
asciilifeform | you can make whatever. | [01:22] |
asciilifeform | just takes time. | [01:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-] | [01:24] |
asciilifeform | speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle | [01:24] |
* | asciilifeform has not personally attempted this | [01:25] |
decimation | lol | [01:27] |
decimation | so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts? | [01:27] |
asciilifeform | aha | [01:28] |
asciilifeform | main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal | [01:28] |
asciilifeform | that, and the good heat conduction | [01:28] |
asciilifeform | dark-coloured items with poor heat conductivity - e.g., stone - cut well. | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | (though you get problems with stress fractures.) | [01:29] |
decimation | https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=301&v=2yE7v4wkuZU < how to make fuming hno3 | [01:31] |
assbot | Make Nitric Acid - The Complete Guide - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zAtr ) | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | http://jelmertiete.com/images/2015-06-30-Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650-18-small.jpg << balun | [01:31] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zBNZ ) | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | (author did not identify it) | [01:31] |
decimation | asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | decimation: in box | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | problem is, your destroy mirrors, or - if very 'lucky' - your tube | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each | [01:32] |
decimation | asciilifeform: it might be an inductor | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | which is not even the worst part, but the chore of aligning the replacements | [01:32] |
decimation | damn that's alot of cash for optics | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | typically rare earths | [01:33] |
decimation | I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy | [01:34] |
decimation | https://cbi-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/unbundlinghoneywell2.jpg | [01:34] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zYYI ) | [01:34] |
decimation | ^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron | [01:34] |
decimation | the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets | [01:36] |
decimation | it will control per-room temps on demand. | [01:36] |
decimation | which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems | [01:37] |
asciilifeform | i do a low-tech orc version of this | [01:38] |
asciilifeform | with bare hands. | [01:38] |
asciilifeform | no ipNohe-controlled servo needed. | [01:38] |
decimation | aye me too | [01:39] |
decimation | actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents | [01:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116550 @ 0.00048234 = 56.2167 BTC [-] {2} | [02:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00048697 = 37.448 BTC [+] {2} | [02:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+] | [03:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2} | [04:26] |
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ben_vulpes | neat parallels to parasitism in nature. | [04:41] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story | [04:46] |
assbot | Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort | [04:46] |
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ben_vulpes | * ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware | [04:54] |
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mats | lol @ rating | [05:01] |
mats | ;;ticker --bitstamp | [05:02] |
gribble | (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |
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mats | ;;ticker --market bitstamp | [05:02] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042 | [05:02] |
mats | it slides | [05:03] |
mats | speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh | [05:03] |
shinohai` | The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such. | [05:05] |
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ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day | [05:14] |
assbot | Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done | [05:14] |
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ben_vulpes | only way to get work done with *that* kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch | [05:15] |
ben_vulpes | i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me | [05:17] |
ben_vulpes | fun with coordinate system transforms! | [05:17] |
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ben_vulpes | i never got the static build on os x | [05:19] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184010 << served me this little wonder http://imgur.com/7aMTNRJ | [05:25] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 03:52:07; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm | [05:25] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2wjU8 ) | [05:25] |
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lobbesbot | New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=725849473193 (Matthias Schmidt ; ) |
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assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS ) | [05:39] |
punkman | lots of cosmic rays in germany eh | [05:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3} | [05:59] |
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lobbesbot | New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=9 (Richard Monk ; ) |
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assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1CczeuL ) | [06:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2} | [06:34] |
shinohai | What the hell happened in Alemania ? | [06:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+] | [06:45] |
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punkman | http://i.imgur.com/Wz48TiO.png | [06:55] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcCXIH ) | [06:55] |
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lobbesbot | New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=47244640267 (Carsten Lenz ; ) | [07:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047687 = 24.9165 BTC [-] | [07:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94464 @ 0.00047976 = 45.32 BTC [+] {2} | [08:03] |
shinohai | https://i.imgur.com/tJ8QkBx.png | [08:08] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyS8wi ) | [08:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49139 @ 0.00049179 = 24.1661 BTC [+] {3} | [08:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37425 @ 0.00047542 = 17.7926 BTC [-] {2} | [08:15] |
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cazalla | shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them | [08:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00047487 = 2.5909 BTC [-] | [08:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126844 @ 0.00047303 = 60.001 BTC [-] {2} | [08:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0005266 = 11.9644 BTC [-] | [14:22] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [14:32] |
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ascii_field | ;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+ | [14:32] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [14:32] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field what sort of speed ? | [14:33] |
ascii_field | approx same speed as when i sync from own lan | [14:34] |
ascii_field | i.e. cpu-bound | [14:34] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184251 << see the 'coke machine' thread | [14:36] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway | [14:36] |
mircea_popescu | haha perfect. | [14:36] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat | [14:36] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys. | [14:36] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field or for you, for that matter. | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | hence the entire line on trilema re herr flondor. | [14:37] |
ascii_field | (ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!) | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world. | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | until such happens... | [14:37] |
decimation | note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board | [14:38] |
decimation | in case you forget who calls the shots | [14:38] |
decimation | at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge | [14:39] |
ascii_field | 'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.' | [14:39] |
decimation | ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles | [14:40] |
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shinohai | I want to try and run a node on this xD https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/ | [14:50] |
assbot | Bitnodes Hardware - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzB2hQ ) | [14:51] |
ascii_field | shinohai: why? | [14:51] |
ascii_field | that thing costs literally 10x a pogo | [14:51] |
ascii_field | ~and~ your purchase supports satan. | [14:52] |
shinohai | true. I found a pogo on craigslist *with* a HDD | [14:52] |
shinohai | even though i have like 4 | [14:53] |
ascii_field | speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even | [14:53] |
jurov | anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe? | [14:54] |
ascii_field | jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two | [14:54] |
shinohai | I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt | [14:55] |
shinohai | I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece. | [14:55] |
ascii_field | shinohai: it all started with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988286 | [14:56] |
assbot | Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time. | [14:56] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [14:56] |
shinohai | I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD | [14:57] |
shinohai | just no place to store teh blockchain on my router | [14:57] |
ascii_field | shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router | [14:58] |
ascii_field | so then i found one | [14:58] |
shinohai | I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic | [14:59] |
ben_vulpes | problem is chips not boxes | [14:59] |
ascii_field | shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina | [15:00] |
ascii_field | and dc power brick | [15:01] |
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shinohai | I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage. | [15:02] |
shinohai | So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them | [15:02] |
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shinohai | I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well. | [15:06] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [15:06] |
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ascii_field | shinohai: what's that | [15:06] |
shinohai | electrum bitcoin wallet | [15:07] |
ascii_field | what i mean is, | [15:07] |
ascii_field | why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home. | [15:07] |
shinohai | I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it. | [15:08] |
shinohai | Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken | [15:08] |
ascii_field | the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction. | [15:08] |
ascii_field | ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-038-049.pdf << carl force plea | [15:09] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [15:09] |
shinohai | I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D | [15:10] |
trinque | ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard. | [15:15] |
trinque | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nob | [15:15] |
assbot | Urban Dictionary: nob ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEt8n ) | [15:15] |
ascii_field | force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place' | [15:17] |
ascii_field | the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight | [15:18] |
ascii_field | so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy | [15:18] |
mod6 | ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator | [15:18] |
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ascii_field | mod6: neato | [15:18] |
ascii_field | mod6: make sure you '-connect' | [15:18] |
ascii_field | rather than -addseed | [15:18] |
mod6 | yeah? i used -addnode | [15:19] |
ascii_field | mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck | [15:19] |
ascii_field | (one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control) | [15:19] |
mod6 | the reason i did is because of: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html | [15:20] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEWHC ) | [15:20] |
ascii_field | presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut' | [15:20] |
mod6 | you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode. | [15:21] |
mod6 | anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :] | [15:21] |
mod6 | glad i asked! | [15:21] |
ascii_field | the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible | [15:21] |
ascii_field | and arbitrarily cycles between them | [15:21] |
ascii_field | whenever one disconnects | [15:22] |
ascii_field | '-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip | [15:22] |
ascii_field | (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water) | [15:22] |
ascii_field | ^ another thing to fix | [15:22] |
trinque | the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing | [15:22] |
ascii_field | trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds) | [15:23] |
trinque | maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there | [15:23] |
trinque | I haven't written c++ in about 8 years | [15:23] |
trinque | wanna start getting my hands dirty | [15:23] |
ascii_field | trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway | [15:23] |
mod6 | ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P & | [15:24] |
ascii_field | neat | [15:25] |
ascii_field | how many blocks in ? | [15:25] |
mod6 | 20k | [15:25] |
ascii_field | any stalls ? | [15:26] |
trinque | I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with | [15:26] |
mod6 | not yet. | [15:26] |
mod6 | i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box. | [15:26] |
trinque | yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand | [15:26] |
mod6 | haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet. | [15:26] |
trinque | gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol | [15:26] |
trinque | rather, which it wants to give the boot console to | [15:27] |
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ascii_field | https://blockchain.info/address/14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE << l0l, it's still full | [15:30] |
assbot | Bitcoin Address 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzG3H4 ) | [15:30] |
ascii_field | and who knew of it, to send the turds to ? | [15:31] |
mod6 | sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr |
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kakobrekla | that address, what of it? | [15:33] |
ascii_field | kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession | [15:33] |
kakobrekla | ah | [15:33] |
ascii_field | somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his heap | [15:33] |
trinque | mod6: seems like that'd be cool | [15:34] |
trinque | moar botz! | [15:34] |
mod6 | lemme see.. | [15:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4} | [15:39] |
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mod6 | 113k | [15:46] |
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mod6 | %h | [15:52] |
btcbot | [ %d | %diff ] [ %tx ] [ %m | %mined ] [ %b |
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mod6 | %bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE | [15:52] |
btcbot | [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4 | [15:52] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [15:52] |
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ascii_field | mod6: neat! how does it work ? | [15:52] |
mod6 | it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON | [15:53] |
mod6 | %d | [15:53] |
btcbot | [BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55 | [15:53] |
ascii_field | so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l | [15:53] |
mod6 | yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it | [15:54] |
ascii_field | ah | [15:54] |
mod6 | for instance: | [15:54] |
mod6 | %bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 | [15:54] |
btcbot | [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0 | [15:54] |
mod6 | arg! lol | [15:54] |
mod6 | somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that | [15:55] |
mod6 | %tslb | [15:55] |
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mod6 | aight might have to iron out some kinks. | [15:56] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+] | [15:58] |
ascii_field | ;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky. | [16:03] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [16:03] |
assbot | Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKVpel ) | [16:03] |
ascii_field | ;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum | [16:06] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [16:06] |
punkman | ;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 | [16:09] |
gribble | 11.93446524 | [16:09] |
jurov | i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere | [16:10] |
ascii_field | whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas | [16:10] |
ascii_field | which is pumped away | [16:10] |
ascii_field | in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate | [16:10] |
jurov | ic | [16:11] |
punkman | http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11064341213388534269604581080473031895058 | [16:12] |
mod6 | ah, punkman thanks lol. | [16:12] |
assbot | Mall Operators Begin Cultivating Startups - WSJ | [16:12] |
mod6 | i didn't know it did that for some reason | [16:12] |
mats | azonenberg is p cool | [16:20] |
mats | i saw this some time ago when he tried with a cheaper laser: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html | [16:21] |
assbot | Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKY2gf ) | [16:21] |
ascii_field | didn't i just like same | [16:22] |
ascii_field | *link same | [16:22] |
ascii_field | ? | [16:22] |
mats | er | [16:22] |
mats | scuse me | [16:22] |
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mats | i need some sleep | [16:23] |
mod6 | !up ascii_field | [16:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-] | [16:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2} | [16:41] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?! | [16:41] |
assbot | Logged on 01-07-2015 04:17:01; decimation: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/ | [16:41] |
mod6 | 164k | [16:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2} | [16:48] |
trinque | ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining | [16:53] |
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mod6 | !up ascii_field | [16:55] |
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mircea_popescu | mod6 o hey. nice. | [17:07] |
mod6 | well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff. | [17:07] |
mod6 | haha | [17:08] |
mod6 | oh but yah, im sync'in | [17:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+] | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside. | [17:12] |
assbot | Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | and then fell. | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | on her. | [17:13] |
ascii_field | 'find some meat!' (tm) (r) ('doom2') | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | o boy. | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | "Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad. | [17:16] |
trinque | intel made his apparatus for him, iirc | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183929 < nice. | [17:18] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | trinque yeah there is that. | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play. | [17:20] |
trinque | http://newsroom.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-8690-5835/Hawking_press1.jpg << lol @ him being a (slowly) moving billboard | [17:20] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA4IvN ) | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ? | [17:20] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know | [17:20] |
ascii_field | more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra' | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | same thing. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | omfg hawking is SEVENTYthree. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died. | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability. | [17:22] |
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mod6 | !up ascii_field | [17:27] |
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funkenstein_ | george clinton one year older, still on tour | [17:28] |
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ascii_field | http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks | [17:32] |
assbot | 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA7AZJ ) | [17:32] |
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trinque | ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives | [17:34] |
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ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184349 << somebody oughta do a 'gcov' | [17:43] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there | [17:43] |
ascii_field | it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful | [17:44] |
ascii_field | https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Invoking-Gcov.html#Invoking-Gcov | [17:44] |
assbot | Invoking Gcov - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAa4aq ) | [17:44] |
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ascii_field | 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).' | [17:48] |
shinohai | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3bv90j/if_exchanges_arent_safe_places_to_store_bitcoin/cspt1hp | [17:48] |
assbot | the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv ) | [17:48] |
ascii_field | ^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ? | [17:48] |
ascii_field | and worthy of correction | [17:48] |
ascii_field | (speaking of 'getdata' here) | [17:49] |
ascii_field | shinohai: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-06-2015#1164408 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164411 | [17:50] |
assbot | Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts | [17:50] |
assbot | Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov. | [17:50] |
kakobrekla | >Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]". | [17:52] |
kakobrekla | lol! | [17:52] |
trinque | ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend. | [17:54] |
trinque | ty | [17:54] |
mod6 | 180k | [17:55] |
ascii_field | 290160+ | [17:55] |
lobbes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-07-2015#1184191 << shit, you are right. | [17:56] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked | [17:56] |
lobbes | Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass | [17:56] |
lobbes | thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it | [17:57] |
kakobrekla | lobbes yeah at least on ircd side | [17:57] |
punkman | irc limit | [17:57] |
shinohai | heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice. | [17:57] |
ascii_field | also need with what to buy! | [17:58] |
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kakobrekla | !up ascii_field | [17:58] |
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ascii_field | (laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit) | [17:58] |
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decimation | shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you? | [18:00] |
ascii_field | (world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...) | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | shinohai where is here ? | [18:01] |
shinohai | I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank | [18:02] |
shinohai | but meh, i hated coinbase anyway | [18:02] |
kakobrekla | for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [18:04] |
decimation | shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet? | [18:04] |
shinohai | yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down | [18:05] |
shinohai | Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity" | [18:05] |
ascii_field | isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ? | [18:05] |
kakobrekla | unless you are registered terrorist | [18:06] |
trinque | ayep | [18:06] |
shinohai | yeah, i no longer have a BoA account | [18:06] |
trinque | BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account | [18:06] |
trinque | then charges you overdraft fees | [18:06] |
trinque | goto 10 | [18:06] |
ascii_field | why anyone uses it is beyond me | [18:06] |
kakobrekla | has 'america' in the name? | [18:06] |
ascii_field | my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now | [18:07] |
decimation | see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law' | [18:07] |
decimation | it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go | [18:07] |
ascii_field | (once became dominant) | [18:07] |
ascii_field | usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time | [18:08] |
decimation | it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans' | [18:08] |
ascii_field | (and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed) | [18:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4} | [18:09] |
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shinohai | ;;ticker | [18:11] |
gribble | Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.15, Best ask: 255.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 255.01, 24 hour volume: 18016.50885563, 24 hour low: 253.0, 24 hour high: 262.61, 24 hour vwap: None | [18:11] |
ascii_field | in other 'news', https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Disappointments.html#Disappointments | [18:11] |
assbot | Disappointments - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAgczp ) | [18:11] |
ascii_field | ^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago | [18:12] |
ascii_field | 'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.' | [18:12] |
ascii_field | 'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.' | [18:12] |
ascii_field | (what hypothesis? that one - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086641 ) | [18:12] |
assbot | Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint. | [18:12] |
cazalla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184255 <<< most i did was 1000mg, sweet spot was around 600-700 for me | [18:13] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps | [18:13] |
trinque | did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened | [18:13] |
ascii_field | gotta love this attitude | [18:13] |
ascii_field | 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin' | [18:14] |
trinque | that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual | [18:14] |
shinohai | The #b-a purple drank | [18:15] |
ascii_field | aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up | [18:15] |
ascii_field | had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter | [18:15] |
ascii_field | https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Fixed-Headers.html#Fixed-Headers | [18:15] |
assbot | Fixed Headers - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAh9b9 ) | [18:15] |
decimation | ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict? | [18:16] |
decimation | after all, there can be only one /usr/include | [18:16] |
* | ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care | [18:16] |
ascii_field | 'hey hey, ho ho,' glibc 'has got to go' | [18:16] |
decimation | drepper presaged poettering | [18:16] |
ascii_field | shoot it, bury, pour cement. | [18:16] |
ascii_field | poettering is small change | [18:17] |
ascii_field | drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe | [18:18] |
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trinque | and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds | [18:22] |
ascii_field | long, long ago. | [18:23] |
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asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [18:29] |
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ascii_field | http://ewontfix.com/12 | [18:29] |
assbot | EWONTFIX - Breakincludes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkwi4 ) | [18:29] |
ascii_field | ^ pretty lulzy site overall | [18:30] |
ascii_field | recommended. | [18:30] |
ascii_field | e.g., http://ewontfix.com/14 | [18:30] |
assbot | EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkKpA ) | [18:30] |
decimation | the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl} | [18:31] |
decimation | ^ from source package (.spec) | [18:31] |
ascii_field | decimation: relevant: | [18:31] |
ascii_field | 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by | [18:31] |
ascii_field | pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.' | [18:31] |
ascii_field | the whole thing just desperately needs to die | [18:32] |
ascii_field | http://ewontfix.com/1 | [18:32] |
assbot | EWONTFIX - Introducing EWONTFIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAlcEb ) | [18:32] |
decimation | what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc | [18:33] |
ascii_field | 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race | [18:34] |
ascii_field | conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.' | [18:34] |
ascii_field | ^ who wants to try ? | [18:34] |
ascii_field | (apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl') | [18:34] |
ascii_field | http://www.musl-libc.org/how.html << works - or claims to - with stock gcc on existing system | [18:35] |
assbot | musl - How to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwxQnI ) | [18:35] |
ascii_field | 'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq) | [18:36] |
ascii_field | win. | [18:36] |
decimation | lol | [18:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+] | [18:38] |
ascii_field | 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo! | [18:38] |
ascii_field | 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl; | [18:39] |
ascii_field | however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.' | [18:39] |
ascii_field | ^ not quite fire-and-forget | [18:39] |
phf | maze of twisty little passages, all alike | [18:40] |
decimation | well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget | [18:40] |
decimation | did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!' | [18:40] |
phf | mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | seems to be the consensus so far. | [18:41] |
decimation | ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols" | [18:42] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, seems we have our first protestor http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/#comment-29863 | [18:42] |
assbot | UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAne7h ) | [18:42] |
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BingoBoingo | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier. | [19:12] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home. | [19:12] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [19:14] |
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BingoBoingo | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184310 << Prolly need more power, once bitcoind is sync'd electrum-server generates a whole new tens of gigs database of its own... You can ask Jurov about that | [19:14] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well. | [19:14] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184577 << aaaaand to nobody's great surprise, go try, 'crossdev x86_64-pc-linux-musl', barfs in 'stage2' | [19:15] |
scoopbot_revived | Line betting on BitBet, June 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2015/ | [19:15] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo! | [19:15] |
ascii_field | and the only search result for the barf turns up: http://pastebin.com/U4Q3X7X0 | [19:15] |
assbot | /var/tmp/portage/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-musl/gcc-4.6.3/work/build/./gcc/xgcc -sha - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEOsY ) | [19:15] |
ascii_field | circa 2012. | [19:15] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEZ7y ) | [19:17] |
deedbot- | accepted: 1 | [19:17] |
shinohai | you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind | [19:17] |
ascii_field | wai wat | [19:17] |
ascii_field | shinohai: 'small bitcoind' vs what ? | [19:19] |
shinohai | vs. electrum | [19:20] |
ascii_field | weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way | [19:22] |
ascii_field | that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary | [19:22] |
ascii_field | there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet' | [19:23] |
ascii_field | it was screamingly stupid from day 1. | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183975 << what's it at by now ? | [19:24] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+ | [19:24] |
ascii_field | 294300+ | [19:24] |
kakobrekla | well that one goes all the way back to satoshi. | [19:24] |
ascii_field | kakobrekla: aha | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes. | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | cool. | [19:25] |
kakobrekla | from the era of unencrypted wallets | [19:25] |
ascii_field | kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | you both have a solid point. | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display. | [19:26] |
ascii_field | hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | paid my foot. | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | usg isn't even paying lawsky's pension. | [19:27] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses. | [19:28] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority | [19:28] |
ascii_field | http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman << like this | [19:28] |
assbot | CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwGnHf ) | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables. | [19:29] |
ascii_field | possibly | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | nothing's fickler than the socialist. | [19:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-] | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183999 << no i know, was just amusing. | [19:30] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed. | [19:31] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context? | [19:31] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin. | [19:34] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184025 << nah, it's drastically visible. you're basically saying "i couldn't spot a firefly because everything generates a little radiation" | [19:37] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass. | [19:40] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | well... an inkling of an idea. | [19:41] |
decimation | no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb' | [19:41] |
decimation | to accomplish a similiar level of background | [19:41] |
decimation | to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself | [19:41] |
decimation | my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people' | [19:44] |
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kakobrekla | like Semipalatinsk for example | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction. | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | but the former does not. it IS very visible. | [19:47] |
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decimation | yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs | [19:50] |
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danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?" | [19:51] |
assbot | Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently? | [19:51] |
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decimation | danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist? | [19:52] |
decimation | I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire | [19:52] |
danielpbarron | yeah but it doesn't amount to much | [19:52] |
trinque | 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site | [19:52] |
danielpbarron | basically only attracts a bunch of losers | [19:52] |
trinque | committed to move | [19:52] |
trinque | ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community | [19:53] |
trinque | and the ron paul people | [19:53] |
danielpbarron | they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry | [19:54] |
decimation | well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists | [19:54] |
danielpbarron | euphemism* \ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign | [19:54] |
decimation | as in, one woman for multiple men? | [19:54] |
danielpbarron | pretty much | [19:54] |
danielpbarron | they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is | [19:55] |
decimation | lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power | [19:55] |
danielpbarron | with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems | [19:55] |
trinque | danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female | [19:55] |
trinque | decimation: lol | [19:56] |
trinque | I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on | [19:56] |
trinque | in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it" | [19:57] |
danielpbarron | yep, that. | [19:57] |
danielpbarron | and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama | [19:57] |
danielpbarron | it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship | [19:58] |
shinohai | The single life for me | [19:59] |
trinque | framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is | [19:59] |
decimation | emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them? | [19:59] |
decimation | aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form | [19:59] |
trinque | muh poor foreskin | [20:00] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already | [20:00] |
danielpbarron | at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures | [20:00] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate | [20:01] |
trinque | danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol | [20:01] |
trinque | least you actually read the book | [20:01] |
danielpbarron | it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment | [20:02] |
cazalla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs | [20:03] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama | [20:03] |
shinohai | Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ? | [20:03] |
danielpbarron | shinohai, ya | [20:03] |
shinohai | I thought I noticed something about it on your site. | [20:03] |
shinohai | I tend to avoid religious materials. | [20:05] |
danielpbarron | as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year | [20:05] |
danielpbarron | and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker) | [20:05] |
trinque | I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy. | [20:06] |
danielpbarron | last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others) | [20:06] |
trinque | so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you | [20:07] |
trinque | might've been something like what the USA was back when | [20:07] |
danielpbarron | you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery | [20:08] |
mats | lol | [20:09] |
trinque | danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism" | [20:09] |
decimation | yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations | [20:09] |
trinque | decimation: socialism plus weed! | [20:10] |
danielpbarron | lots of weed! | [20:10] |
decimation | note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed | [20:10] |
mats | how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb | [20:10] |
danielpbarron | hahaha | [20:10] |
danielpbarron | i saw a bunch playing poker actually | [20:10] |
danielpbarron | one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian | [20:10] |
mats | maybe ill go next year | [20:10] |
danielpbarron | and took the host for over 1k | [20:10] |
danielpbarron | you totally should | [20:10] |
mats | i try not to stand out too much | [20:11] |
danielpbarron | you will be the coolest person there | [20:11] |
danielpbarron | !gettrust assbot mats | [20:11] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/ | [20:11] |
danielpbarron | and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night | [20:12] |
danielpbarron | "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough | [20:13] |
mats | how would these people know what that is | [20:13] |
danielpbarron | many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross | [20:14] |
decimation | lol. "crypto enthusiasts" | [20:14] |
mats | i have had a tricky time broaching the subject | [20:15] |
danielpbarron | which subject? | [20:15] |
mats | first impression goes well, second time around its like... | [20:15] |
mats | who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly | [20:15] |
shinohai | I like wot. it requires discipline. | [20:15] |
mats | bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250 | [20:16] |
danielpbarron | if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place | [20:16] |
danielpbarron | people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing | [20:17] |
danielpbarron | even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it | [20:17] |
mats | invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists | [20:17] |
mats | and i get that | [20:17] |
danielpbarron | that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either | [20:17] |
decimation | me neither | [20:18] |
danielpbarron | i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast | [20:18] |
mats | well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents | [20:18] |
danielpbarron | one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt | [20:18] |
mats | being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing | [20:18] |
danielpbarron | i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that | [20:19] |
decimation | lulz | [20:19] |
mats | regular folk need https | [20:20] |
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mats | we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful | [20:22] |
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mats | it encourages mythical distrust of computers | [20:22] |
mats | things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks | [20:23] |
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trinque | sure, from the mitm perspective | [20:23] |
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trinque | they're still probably working on an utterly infested device | [20:23] |
trinque | mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https | [20:24] |
trinque | rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS | [20:24] |
danielpbarron | mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me | [20:25] |
trinque | lol @ "I'll expose you!" | [20:26] |
trinque | danielpbarron: was it this guy? | [20:26] |
trinque | http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0c9109c71ea0524d9fe840f91fabd67bb94a26a9/r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/onpolitics/2013/02/14/geraldo-3_4.jpg | [20:26] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWoIme ) | [20:26] |
danielpbarron | no he had more of the meth addict look going for him | [20:27] |
lobbesbot | New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) | [20:27] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e ) | [20:27] |
trinque | somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years | [20:29] |
shinohai | that blkcut utility is bitchin' | [20:34] |
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mod6 | cool shinohai | [20:44] |
mod6 | 192k+ | [20:44] |
asciilifeform | trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions | [20:45] |
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trinque | asciilifeform: yeah, I see your point | [20:46] |
asciilifeform | the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella | [20:50] |
asciilifeform | (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis) | [20:50] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust | [20:52] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:18:16; mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers | [20:52] |
asciilifeform | and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~ | [20:52] |
asciilifeform | particular people. | [20:52] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?! | [20:53] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough | [20:53] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept | [20:54] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire | [20:54] |
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asciilifeform | just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr | [20:54] |
asciilifeform | in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system | [20:55] |
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trinque | asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans | [21:01] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.' | [21:01] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry | [21:01] |
asciilifeform | trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists' | [21:02] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184640 << a bit of a fundamental misconception here. 'emacs' in particular is ~not~ a 'text editor', but a kind of poor man's lisp machine. and is used as such by many folks | [21:09] |
assbot | Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin. | [21:09] |
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trinque | asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems | [21:10] |
trinque | "holy shit, stallman was trying to cram a version of this environment into unix" | [21:10] |
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asciilifeform | trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms | [21:10] |
trinque | in my historical wanderings, I learned of zmacs | [21:11] |
trinque | I guess there's a whole lineage of things which ended up being called emacs | [21:11] |
trinque | asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!" | [21:12] |
trinque | no offense to mr laddel | [21:12] |
asciilifeform | trinque: mno. because it doesn't (except in the most minimal sense) try to handle unixisms ~from within~ | [21:12] |
asciilifeform | the difference is important | [21:12] |
trinque | ah | [21:12] |
trinque | well, there are plenty of wads o' elisp that try to do that very thing | [21:13] |
trinque | not that I use any of them | [21:13] |
asciilifeform | elisp, incidentally, is a world-class turd | [21:13] |
asciilifeform | more or less a throwback to very impoverished 1970s lisps | [21:13] |
asciilifeform | (e.g., dynamic scope) | [21:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0005079 = 12.0372 BTC [+] | [21:17] |
trinque | seems damned javascript-y, though I know it preceded that | [21:20] |
asciilifeform | trinque: thing is, 'lispy' interpreters written in a hurry by students end up being all quite alike | [21:20] |
asciilifeform | for fundamental reasons | [21:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00051884 = 31.6492 BTC [+] | [21:21] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 500 @ 0.0025 = 1.25 BTC [-] | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | and, interestingly, https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage | [21:47] |
assbot | sabotage-linux/sabotage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHyzO ) | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | mod6, possibly: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_musl | [21:48] |
assbot | Project:Hardened musl - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHIY0 ) | [21:48] |
asciilifeform | http://buildroot-busybox.2317881.n4.nabble.com/PATCH-0-5-Support-for-musl-based-external-toolchains-td52730.html << buildroot apparently supports it | [21:54] |
assbot | Buildroot (busybox) - [PATCH 0/5] Support for musl based external toolchains ... ( http://bit.ly/1dADYyn ) | [21:54] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50231 @ 0.00051398 = 25.8177 BTC [-] {2} | [22:05] |
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asciilifeform | meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0 | [22:28] |
assbot | BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLsEym ) | [22:28] |
shinohai | but your bitcoind shall decimate correct asciilifeform | [22:29] |
asciilifeform | ..? | [22:30] |
asciilifeform | shinohai: i must point out that it isn't 'mine', but therealbitcon's (in the face of ben_vulpes and mod6) | [22:30] |
shinohai | it must make XT a distant memory | [22:30] |
shinohai | fair enuf | [22:30] |
asciilifeform | i just made a couplea patches | [22:30] |
shinohai | *overall foundation* | [22:31] |
asciilifeform | (most of which are, at present time, considered highly experimental and will not be making it into a release any time soon) | [22:31] |
shinohai | is there a node list i should consider? | [22:31] |
asciilifeform | shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | 188.68.240.167 | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | it is running his own personal, unpublished port of bitcoind | [22:32] |
shinohai | so -connect flag is sufficient? | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | since, i think, 2011 | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | aha | [22:32] |
* | shinohai ^ did not know that | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | shinohai: my understanding is that mircea_popescu, with the help of trusted phriendz unknown to us, did something quite like therealbitcoin, early on | [22:33] |
asciilifeform | for the specific purpose of running mpex | [22:34] |
shinohai | interesting. | [22:35] |
shinohai | Such rich and mysterious history | [22:36] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1173899 | [22:38] |
assbot | Logged on 24-06-2015 02:59:50; mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever said anything about that. | [22:38] |
asciilifeform | all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks | [22:38] |
asciilifeform | which is what we, in particular, care about, for this purpose. | [22:39] |
asciilifeform | and that it uses the traditional blkxxxx format to keep said blocks in: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-06-2015#1182019 | [22:39] |
assbot | Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt | [22:39] |
asciilifeform | and, possibly, that he did the Right Thing and sawed off wallet into a separate mechanism: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284 | [22:41] |
assbot | Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: |
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asciilifeform | and that's pretty much it | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can. | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | other than that, 'take it or leave it' | [22:42] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'? | [22:42] |
* | asciilifeform can't comment re: 'electrum', never used | [22:43] |
asciilifeform | does it know how to communicate over a serial cable with a full node ? | [22:43] |
asciilifeform | or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack | [22:43] |
shinohai | mircea_popescu has already provided an ample amount of reading between logs and trilema xD | [22:44] |
* | asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with | [22:44] |
decimation | it uses a tcp connection with a special block server I think | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | ugh | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | needs a custom bitcoind ? | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | wtf is the point | [22:45] |
decimation | yeah I think so, not sure | [22:45] |
decimation | https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel" | [22:45] |
assbot | spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLtISX ) | [22:45] |
asciilifeform | ick | [22:46] |
decimation | apparently it gloms onto rpc port | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | no thx | [22:46] |
decimation | what would an 'electrum replacement' need? | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | what is the purpose of said replacement ? | [22:46] |
decimation | okay, you have serial line connected to bitcoind | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | elementary | [22:47] |
decimation | how do I find txns for accounting in my wallet | [22:47] |
decimation | and send txns | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | thing on the other side needs to know how to sign a tx | [22:47] |
decimation | aye | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result | [22:47] |
decimation | account belongs on the public side? | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | account ? | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | public ? | [22:48] |
decimation | essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns | [22:48] |
shinohai | I can't get electrum right for shit. I did a test tx using pywallet to import a privkey | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public' | [22:49] |
decimation | this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do | [22:49] |
asciilifeform | the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes | [22:49] |
decimation | so need to query for my txns | [22:49] |
asciilifeform | query the cutout (said full node) | [22:50] |
decimation | across serial cable? | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | aha | [22:50] |
decimation | okay, well that's essentially what electrum server does I guess | [22:50] |
decimation | except this feature could be integrated into bitcoind | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | except i'm not sure why this requires GBytes of rubbish | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | and weird dependencies | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | aha | [22:50] |
decimation | well, yeah | [22:50] |
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decimation | !gettrust DanyAlos assbot | [22:52] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user DanyAlos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=DanyAlos&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/ | [22:52] |
asciilifeform | https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d << mega-l0l | [22:54] |
assbot | Breaking the house — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITq8zW ) | [22:54] |
decimation | http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. " | [22:55] |
assbot | Sniffing could provide autism test - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqaYA ) | [22:55] |
asciilifeform | 'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to “confuse” our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per | [22:55] |
asciilifeform | iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.' | [22:55] |
decimation | lol why do they need to give seed | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | same reason 'satoshi dice' did ? | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | the whole 'provably fair' thing | [22:57] |
decimation | why not build physical source of entropy | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | same reason vegas uses prng (supplied, incidentally, by usg) | [22:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00052155 = 10.6135 BTC [+] | [22:58] |
decimation | if house always wins, people will realized and move on | [22:58] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | one obvious observation, however, is that 'house' can never prove that it had not shared its seeds with a shill | [23:00] |
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decimation | yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block | [23:00] |
asciilifeform | whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day | [23:00] |
decimation | heh good point | [23:00] |
asciilifeform | iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | it was never claimed | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | (see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol') | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | but afaik this was never pursued by anyone. | [23:02] |
decimation | I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit | [23:04] |
asciilifeform | http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/poker-is-hard-especially-for.html << see also shamir's famous 'mental poker'. | [23:05] |
assbot | A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Poker is hard, especially for cryptographers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITruKY ) | [23:05] |
asciilifeform | ^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar. | [23:05] |
decimation | interesting. | [23:06] |
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asciilifeform | http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape | [23:11] |
assbot | XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLvIKF ) | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | based on yet another piece of qemu cruft | [23:11] |
decimation | how much worse is docker? | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | (not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.) | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | decimation: not comparable | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | afaik | [23:12] |
decimation | asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape? | [23:12] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: that's not an escaper | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | it's a known backchannel, yes | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | but not an arbitrary code exec thing | [23:12] |
decimation | aye | [23:13] |
trinque | decimation: docker's a piece of shit for its own reasons | [23:20] |
trinque | yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system" | [23:21] |
trinque | whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces | [23:23] |
trinque | the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea | [23:23] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [23:23] |
assbot | Rossem/RedditStorage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITu3wI ) | [23:23] |
decimation | people have emphasized docker's security benefits | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root | [23:24] |
trinque | assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure! | [23:24] |
decimation | asciilifeform: maybe you can use systemd to boot it | [23:25] |
trinque | I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen | [23:26] |
trinque | and also, docker sets up and manages its own fancy virtual network between your containers | [23:26] |
trinque | so probably loads to be done to that thing too | [23:26] |
shinohai | i use docker on hashbang, but it is like a Rube Goldberg cartoon | [23:27] |
trinque | shinohai: yeah I used it on deedbot to make a final judgment | [23:27] |
trinque | fuckinthingsucks.gif | [23:28] |
decimation | does docker actually emulate a hardware nic like qemu | [23:28] |
shinohai | For instance, this may have been a forerunner of BTCXT http://notquant.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rube.gif | [23:29] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuS8z ) | [23:29] |
trinque | decimation: I believe so; inside your container you have your own network device | [23:30] |
trinque | shinohai: not byzantine enough | [23:30] |
asciilifeform | http://torrentfreak.com/elsevier-cracks-down-on-pirated-scientific-articles-150609 << somehow missed this when it was 'news' | [23:30] |
assbot | Elsevier Cracks Down on Pirated Scientific Articles | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuXJs ) | [23:30] |
mats | no, it doesn't do device emulation | [23:30] |
decimation | asciilifeform: https://universonline.nl/2015/07/02/dutch-universities-start-their-elsevier-boycott-plan | [23:31] |
assbot | Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan | Univers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv2gh ) | [23:31] |
mats | http://www.slideshare.net/jpetazzo/introduction-to-docker-and-a-bit-more-at-lspe-meetup-sunnyvale << according to this doc | [23:31] |
assbot | Introduction to Docker (and a bit more) at LSPE meetup Sunnyvale ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv3kh ) | [23:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14032 @ 0.00052155 = 7.3184 BTC [+] | [23:31] |
mats | slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV | [23:32] |
decimation | asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi? | [23:32] |
decimation | isn't it based in ukraine? | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | usg colony | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | among the most eager to slurp up the cock | [23:33] |
decimation | seems lik an opportunity for ru | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | so doubtful | [23:33] |
decimation | lulz | [23:34] |
decimation | what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling | [23:35] |
* | Guest9348 (~DanielBTC@187.35.193.8) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:36] |
decimation | mats: it seems to be chroot with some device/pid/ipc space sharing | [23:37] |
trinque | mats: looks like it might be coming https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9983 | [23:39] |
assbot | Proposal: Network Drivers · Issue #9983 · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLxH1A ) | [23:39] |
mats | ic | [23:46] |
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