Forum logs for 02 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game.	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	^ Black death.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:10]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/samir/status/562066596001505282	[00:11]
assbot	“Hey mom. Yep. I’ll be performing at the Super Bowl." http://t.co/nHkW6kHUDL	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	samir doesn't sound like a slut name and twitter doesn't sound like it is going to publish good boobs. so i'ma click on something else instead.	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img25016370.jpg	[00:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah3wKO )	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	^ That one has boobs somewhere	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	The golden cat apparatus had legs, walked	[00:14]
cazalla	try https://twitter.com/search?q=my%20boobs&src=typd&mode=photos instead	[00:14]
assbot	my boobs - Twitter Photos Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah3NNH )	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	gee, look at all the fucking bras.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if my%20bras is the magic word.	[00:16]
cazalla	well i figured "my" would act as a qualifier for actual girls posting their own tits	[00:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00036717 = 21.663 BTC [-]	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00036717 = 4.406 BTC [-]	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zTAC_CMAArjMs.jpg	[00:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah5mLD )	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zTMUHCUAEFUDy.jpg:large	[00:24]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah5t9V )	[00:24]
cazalla	lol ppl are still posting their credit cards on twitter https://twitter.com/Exodus_Res/status/548642193800704001	[00:24]
assbot	look at my sisters new credit card love the blue http://t.co/TTIJlsOQaE	[00:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65015 @ 0.00036717 = 23.8716 BTC [-]	[00:25]
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BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zt-c6CUAAVG3-.jpg << Far less stupid than the game's ending	[00:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah6I90 )	[00:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211803 @ 0.00035431 = 75.0439 BTC [-] {2}	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	At least the coach is owning the call that lost the game.	[00:41]
BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--h3WL6cd9--/wi8src56el4lhgdd3jty.gif	[00:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah8tDn )	[00:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00034927 = 23.0867 BTC [-]	[00:43]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html	[00:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah94VD )	[00:46]
asciilifeform	^ can we have scoopbot plugged into turdatron ?	[00:46]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^^^^ snippety snippety	[00:48]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/have-some-chocolate-cake/	[00:49]
danielpbarron	i think this "bastard" thing is eating up all my bandwidth	[00:50]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: but does it actually sync ?	[00:50]
danielpbarron	oh yeah	[00:50]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: the way it's set up is extremely wasteful, yes; fetches many blocks for which there can be no use at all	[00:50]
danielpbarron	up to 136k	[00:50]
asciilifeform	and get thrown out immediately	[00:50]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: how many deaths has it died ?	[00:51]
danielpbarron	2	[00:51]
asciilifeform	ideally you can determine a value for bastard pool constant that turns that into zero	[00:51]
asciilifeform	while still syncing in a reasonable time	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77194 @ 0.00034305 = 26.4814 BTC [-]	[00:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66669 @ 0.00034173 = 22.7828 BTC [-]	[00:56]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zfqq0CIAA7o2Q.jpg	[01:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AhbtPV )	[01:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164050 @ 0.00034665 = 56.8679 BTC [+] {2}	[01:03]
mod6	asciilifeform: thanks for the submission for removal of dnsseed	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	dude the smpoe war...	[01:04]
mod6	!t m s.mpoe	[01:05]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034173 / 0.00035578 / 0.00037844 (4074930 shares, 1,449.79 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00039761 / 0.00053193 (20154401 shares, 8,013.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00047156 / 0.00068113 (47682710 shares, 22,485.64 BTC)	[01:05]
punkman	such volumez	[01:05]
mod6	ya	[01:05]
punkman	"but nobody used that thing"	[01:05]
punkman	*uses	[01:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189000 @ 0.00035144 = 66.4222 BTC [+] {3}	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	nobody's using that thing to try and do something to mah powerbase ? or else paranoida.	[01:07]
danielpbarron	http://www.op-return.com/ << a non-WoT deedbot?	[01:07]
assbot	Submit a message to a Bitcoin address ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhceIR )	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	it's kinda fun to watch, tbh	[01:07]
punkman	danielpbarron: there's a bunch of them	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	loads really.	[01:08]
punkman	so what do we think about op_return?	[01:08]
punkman	or rather, what does the foundation think	[01:08]
punkman	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3737#issuecomment-36383977	[01:12]
assbot	script: reduce OP_RETURN standard relay bytes to 40 by jgarzik · Pull Request #3737 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhcQ1b )	[01:12]
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asciilifeform	mod6: snippy snippy is very easy. and satisfying. i encourage others to try.	[01:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117965 @ 0.000356 = 41.9955 BTC [+]	[01:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10576 @ 0.000356 = 3.7651 BTC [+]	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time.	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/pastrecords.htm << if this doesn't tell the story of inflation, i have no idea what does.	[01:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CoxTjc )	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	not to mention that not a fucking thing in there is even watchable.	[01:47]
asciilifeform	the story of inflation << one of the streets i frequently drive through had a housing development (row homes) under construction for the past ~3 yrs. there was a billboard, advertising 'From the low 300s!' (10**3) recently the '3' was flipped to a '6'.	[01:48]
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asciilifeform	flipped, like the prices at filling stations.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	such weimar.	[01:49]
asciilifeform	mega-weimar.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	but hey, led displays to be able to adjust price in real time are just technological improvbement.	[01:50]
punkman	has that been in some movie?	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time. << The power of brand and using 5 previous feature length films as trailers.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	i had nfi marvel even had a brand.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	what brand is it, tchotches r us ?	[01:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, they got the super heros which are followed by the fanboys. From there they release a bunch of movies the fanboys use to get other idiots comfortably with Marvel. Then ??? Profit.	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	Like "Kraft"	[01:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117454 @ 0.00036185 = 42.5007 BTC [+]	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	Classic American marketing cascade	[01:53]
mats	disney is now fabulously rich because of marvel	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	i guess there's lots of things i don't really understand.	[01:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27077 @ 0.0003614 = 9.7856 BTC [-]	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	ESPN and Marvel are basically what funds Disney nao.	[01:54]
mats	they own a lot of hollywood now	[01:54]
punkman	they even got Star Wars now	[01:54]
asciilifeform	237474.	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	It's pretty much been of couple of decades of marching in the opposite direction of AOL Time Warner	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	ok, http://www.google.com/finance/getchart?q=DIS&x=NYSE&p=5Y&i=604800&ei=PgLPVKGGMoi48gaMwYFI << if THAT doesn't look like inflation i dunno what does.	[01:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ztIIwC )	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	i mean look at that, it's not even funny, straight line with an oscillator thrown in wtf is this.	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	Oh it's totally inflation.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000041.html	[01:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ztIPs6 )	[01:57]
asciilifeform	^ mod6's mega-summary	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	i like mod6's summaries.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo can qntra do a press package ?	[01:59]
BingoBoingo	K	[01:59]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: unrelated - recent re-read, recommended to you specifically - 'the design of the unix operating system', m. j. bach.	[02:07]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Will put in on the list.	[02:07]
*	BingoBoingo still reeling over last week's discovery that of all distros Linux Mint appears as though it will be a systemd holdout.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	best holdout/distro is no distro	[02:08]
asciilifeform	home cooking.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	'gentoo' is sufficiently malleable, presently, to fill the role.	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	Right, Linux Mint still comes with so many bolt ons and opaque Ubuntu heart.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	creeping poetteringisms in all known distro, however.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	e.g., 'dbus'.	[02:10]
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punkman	https://twitter.com/La_Polisse/status/561813987655168000/photo/1	[02:18]
assbot	Comment la neige a permis l'arrestation d'un cultivateur de weed... (De /Torped00) http://t.co/zGp3XbDSEf	[02:18]
danielpbarron	http://danielpbarron.com/advanced_os.log.txt	[02:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ztKf5T )	[02:18]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: wallowing with the eagles, soaring with the pigs, eh	[02:19]
cazalla	punkman, took me a moment	[02:21]
danielpbarron	it's a Bible channel / not usually that kind of conversation in there	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	Wallowing with the Eagles is the best wallowing.	[02:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 97 @ 0.06998999 = 6.789 BTC [+]	[02:27]
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mircea_popescu	so apparently there exists a real estate firm in ba called "asses propriedades"	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	"hello, yeah, i'd like to rent an ass. can i live in it ?"	[02:28]
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BingoBoingo	Have any pogo people run the ArmV build with a preloaded blockchain (i.e. minimal initial sync before current)?	[02:35]
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thestringpuller	"yo homie we major"	[02:37]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: what'd you think of the game?	[02:39]
thestringpuller	Can't believe all action in 4th quarter.	[02:39]
thestringpuller	also when did Kurt Warner become old?	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Bullshit ending. Also I really want a 30 foot golden mechanical tiger to ride for when the times come.	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Kurt Warner's always been old.	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	Even when he was on the Rams he was old having bagged groceries and played NFL Europe.	[02:40]
*	BingoBoingo very disappoint the game didn't end with Whitey getting Lynched	[02:42]
thestringpuller	LOL	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8982452 so little conversation on the HN	[02:46]
assbot	Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztMAxF )	[02:46]
thestringpuller	Kurt Warner went hard in 2000	[02:46]
thestringpuller	Rams vs Titans was a great game.	[02:46]
thestringpuller	iirc it almost went into OT	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	It did almost do that	[02:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175750 @ 0.00036135 = 63.5073 BTC [-] {2}	[02:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115224 @ 0.0003655 = 42.1144 BTC [+] {2}	[03:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80300 @ 0.00036806 = 29.5552 BTC [+] {2}	[03:07]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/foundation-releases-report-and-bitcoin-0-5-3-1/	[03:07]
asciilifeform	'In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers.' <<< wat?	[03:08]
*	asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence	[03:08]
BingoBoingo	how about: In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers, the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers is being passed over in favor of actual solutions.	[03:09]
cazalla	asciilifeform, ya need a few beers, reads ok here, had a few beers though	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: I tried to fix the parsing. Sentence needed a subject among other things.	[03:11]
adlai	header's?	[03:11]
adlai	like, the header only had one approach, so this approach was the header's only approach?	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	stickler's	[03:12]
adlai	ye's	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	Sentence refactored again	[03:12]
adlai	it's fucking underlined in blue, how does it not jump out to you	[03:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81372 @ 0.00036973 = 30.0857 BTC [+]	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	I am blind to the things I write.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_scFjd2pSI	[03:13]
assbot	Abracadabra - Steve Millers Band (Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztOWfR )	[03:13]
adlai	actually if we go full anal, strunk & white specifically mentions that the plural of a singular ending in s includes an additional apostrophe+s, so it'd be « Vessenes's »	[03:13]
*	asciilifeform was taught this formula	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Vessenes is not a singular	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Y. Pestis does not occur in the singular	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	vesseneii & winklevii	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	actually i suppose it could be winkleix by now	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	they're way past the 8th "launch"of their whatever it is.	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	Winkelgox	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	wynona ryder's somehow going to end up mixed in all this isn't she.	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	Is she still a thing?	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	don't thingify women!	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	She thingified shoplifting	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	she just liberated some items from an oppressive representative hierarchical inventory system.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	that's not even objective!	[03:17]
BingoBoingo	Right, and it lead to Obama	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	hm. no lead obama, now that'd probably help the environment.	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	And you know where they mine lead? Ozarkistan.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9Ou3-YyqU << this is perhaps the oddest set for a pop song.	[03:20]
assbot	Brian Hyland "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztPuTa )	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	i suppose they did more solid ice in the 60s than previously thought.	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Totally. And then Nixon killed the Chemistry hobby.	[03:21]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-beat-around-whore-street/	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/03/17/mating-grounds-geoffrey-miller-tucker-max-hilarity-ensues/ << this shit's pretty lulzy, as far as academic drama goes.	[03:25]
assbot	Mating Grounds: Geoffrey Miller and Tucker Max Copy Danger & Play and Hilarity Ensues - Danger & Play ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztPUbY )	[03:25]
scoopbot	New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2015/	[03:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1927 @ 0.00095462 = 1.8396 BTC [-] {7}	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	!up BigBitz	[03:32]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVcYP3OhlUU << speaking of the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2015#996778 thread	[03:39]
assbot	Tucker Max Is Lying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztR5s7 )	[03:39]
assbot	Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:19; asciilifeform: they 'which room'	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	this guy is supposedly a big deal internet marketing thing. why the fuck does he live in half a kitchinette separated by a pressedboard pane from the other half ?	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	or wtf is going on in there ?	[03:39]
asciilifeform	that's 'roosh'	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	okay.	[03:41]
asciilifeform	(a 'moldbugsphere' blogger, iirc)	[03:41]
asciilifeform	not a mega-business-king	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	well afaik he identifies as a capt'n of the whole "how to get laid" thing.	[03:41]
*	asciilifeform confesses that he was never a regular reader of herr roosh	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	but yes, the general idea is that these are people who trasnform the culture and are well read and etc.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i misunderstand power on top of everything else. and ows did things.	[03:42]
asciilifeform	although his colleague, 'heartiste', once referred to yours truly as 'the moldbug of computer science'	[03:42]
asciilifeform	wasn't sure if this was a plus or minus	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist[4][5] and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	that's a pretty epic name, valizadeh.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	"dditionally, Roosh has self-published 14 books, most of which offer advice to men on how to sleep with women in specific countries."	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	come on. 14 books ?!	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	o hey, made the splc kill list.	[03:44]
asciilifeform	not so hard.	[03:45]
asciilifeform	they had a period of adding 'moldy' folks	[03:45]
cazalla	self-published as in hey, i uploaded my shit to amazon, i'm an author now	[03:46]
asciilifeform	i even remember a surreal thread, somewhere obscure, where people were pissed at not having been selected yet	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	lmao he never wrote about... hungary ? romania ? czech republic ? wtf is wrong with this guy lmao	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	yeah, go have random sex in iceland.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	hanbot well somehow it turns out you can't be an emperor on the support of 20something us boys.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	"Bang Ukraine: How to Have Sex With Ukrainian Girls In Ukraine (2012)"	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	uh... i dunno, go to any of the campuses, pick a girl and take her out to lunch ?	[03:47]
hanbot	oh, right.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	worked in 1995. worked in 1997. worked in... 2002 iirc.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	"Roosh's Argentina Compendium: Pickup Tips, City Guides, And Stories (2011) "	[03:48]
*	asciilifeform still has trouble picturing anyone for whom the book - specifically - makes the difference	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, there's three different bars within ten blocks of where you live, you can just go there and LOOK at a girl.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	she'll come right over, and if you speak spanish it's somethinjg like 500 pesos	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	about 30 bux.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	otherwise whatever, pay her a hundred.	[03:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is not the objective for the 'pickup' folks	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	s/ten blocks of where you live/ten blocks of where I live/	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	but anyway	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but the book costs as much ?	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	i guess the time to read it dun count.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	sad fact of the matter is, any book costs me about a dollar a page or thereabouts.	[03:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2014#449479	[03:50]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2014 19:38:32; asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'	[03:50]
cazalla	haha this guy played a bit too much road rash, it's almost a copy/pasta of coming off your bike in that game http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d92_1422724643 around 0:40	[03:50]
assbot	LiveLeak.com - Biker Goes Airborne ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztS0Zx )	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	http://www.publimetro.co/lo-ultimo/estadounidense-vende-en-amazon-manual-para-acostarse-con-colombianas-sin-tener-que-pagar/lmklfg!T7S2EIsYkHwY/ << apparently columbian press was pissy.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	"Tucker Max was a hero of mine. I discovered his writing at the age of eighteen, and idolized his literary persona for the next five years. His descent into mediocrity has been painful for me to watch.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	Most would say that Tucker Max was nothing more than a brief flash-in-the-pan, a pony whose only trick was vulgar frat boy humour. But the reality is that Tucker Max’s stories were more than just entertainment: They articulated a new male identity that was unapologetically masculine and intellectual."	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	this is what you get from "no child left behind"	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	fucking bush.	[03:52]
asciilifeform	in the philosophy of the 'pickup' folks, you don't grade as 'l33t' if you pay the whore	[03:53]
asciilifeform	have to score 'on your merits'	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	so what, if you have money it's not your money ?	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[03:54]
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mircea_popescu	why the fuck WOULDNT you pay the woman. this is beyond me. i am not discussing a whore here. forget that part. i go out, and notice a girl sitting down. i chat her up, she comes with me and i fuck her. turns out she's 17, she's a virgin, and she's never even THOUGHT of doing anything like this, in her life.	[03:55]
asciilifeform	afaik they don't have a position on money per se, except that it can be used to travel to faraway lands where the great satan has not perverted womankind	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	but kids experiment and she's a kid and she's experimented.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	and now the idea is, i can't buy her a car.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck not ?	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	has she not earned it ?	[03:55]
asciilifeform	why not	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	brave kid, why shoudn't she have good stuff ?	[03:55]
asciilifeform	afaik the pickup folks have no position on which, if any, car, boeing, planet, one should buy -after-	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	if i don't buy her a car and some fat and bald goofball buys his "daughter" whom his wife had with the plumber the car	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	and he's not even fucking her!	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	what sort of society are we building here!	[03:56]
asciilifeform	the car, as i understand, has to come -after-, or you fished with dynamite - and any idiot with a stick of dynamite can then be a 'great fisherman'	[03:56]
asciilifeform	and such feats of fish-catching are not of interest to the serious scholars.	[03:56]
asciilifeform	sumthinglikethat	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	so working out is okay ?	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	can you wash ?	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	anyone aged 20 and clean can get laid, is that fair ?	[03:57]
asciilifeform	aha. the books actually take the trouble to mention both	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	why those and not this ?	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	is being tall accepted ? or also fishing with dynamite ?	[03:57]
asciilifeform	except for the obvious implication that - why is the reader reading?	[03:57]
asciilifeform	in the words of tlp, 'if you're reading it, it's for you'	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	very feminist/socialist this you know ? "more brownie points for being a tranny than for bein a white male". "why ?" "uhmmm... because we're stupid" "ah ok"	[03:58]
*	asciilifeform did not invent this particular flavour of crackpottery, but has seen a good sampling thereof	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	so money, which someone CAN get , is right off. but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, and is certainly more on the button than money when hitting on a woman, is ok.	[03:58]
*	asciilifeform regards 'pickup' literature as a very low kind of sc4mz0ry, like shady cancer cures pitched to the desperately ill	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	plenty of stuff is quite reasonable - wash, stay in shape etc.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	don't need book, for this	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	but it's quite clearly something done by the poor for the poor, this.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	book is supposed to help you 'cheat' by summoning devils ^H^H^H^H^H^H psy-programming	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	oh don't tell me it's resurecting that neurocrap	[03:59]
asciilifeform	it started, iirc, there.	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	wtf was it called, narrowly missed becoming a grant bezzle	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	ba	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	h	[04:00]
asciilifeform	neuro-linguistic-programming	[04:00]
punkman	david deangelo	[04:00]
asciilifeform	i think it was	[04:00]
punkman	that's it	[04:00]
asciilifeform	a sort of rebranded hypnosis/mesmerism	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	exact fucking equivalent of the "expert systems" failed msword&excel-based approach to hard ai	[04:00]
asciilifeform	one of the facts known to all dedicated students of 'psychoceramics' (study of crackpots! what else, lol) is that genuinely new idiocies are invented quite infrequently	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	hm, i guess the actual practice evolved under selective pressure more towards the cold calling / stage magician thing	[04:01]
asciilifeform	most are rebrandings of something earlier.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	but i mean intelelctualy, the theory behind it	[04:01]
asciilifeform	but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, <<<< ahahha. soviet science winz again. had a process for -actually- growing taller.	[04:02]
asciilifeform	they break yer legs and stretch in a specially made frame.	[04:02]
asciilifeform	1+ yr of wheelchair.	[04:02]
asciilifeform	i'm told that american kidz with more money than sense, still travel to russia to get this.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	actually i'm being whispered in ear that a) it's called manosphere now, and b) the central point is that women lie a lot and guys hafta be confident.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	i guess also not need a book for.	[04:03]
asciilifeform	more of less 1 sentence summary of the sane parts ^	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform my intel is great at summaries. it... has to be.	[04:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: understand, -everybody- wants a wunderwaffen.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	e.g.,	[04:05]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634660	[04:05]
assbot	Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	i missed that line. what, see if they're ovulating ? drunk ?	[04:07]
asciilifeform	mhc.	[04:07]
asciilifeform	(see rest of that thread)	[04:07]
asciilifeform	no, did not actually do this!	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more.	[04:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43747 @ 0.00036498 = 15.9668 BTC [-] {2}	[04:08]
asciilifeform	dude really, it is very easy to fly. just bend your arms into an effective lift surface, right angle of attack, and fart really hard.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	ahaha	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	ok ok	[04:08]
asciilifeform	use suit jacket as ailerons.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	i am not going to end up writing about this. apparently it's well covered.	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[04:09]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AHKGZD.txt )	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	gotcha bb!	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think the spoiler improves it.	[04:10]
asciilifeform	incidentally, anyone ever wonder what kind of brain damage is necessary to think that someone will sell you a book on how to win the ultimate zero-sum game?	[04:10]
asciilifeform	(well, rather, sell you a book that's worth something)	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	which is the zero sum game ?	[04:11]
asciilifeform	'pikup'	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	you're not about to tell me that mammal reproduction is a zero sum game	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	holy hell...	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	listen! HEDGEHOGS DO IT.	[04:11]
*	BingoBoingo kind of wants fMRI for investigating this brain damage at some point. Maybe it can live in the belly of 30 foot golden mechanical tiger.	[04:11]
asciilifeform	as envisioned by the practicants!	[04:11]
punkman	is there a "paleo pickup" branch? "work out a lot so you can actually pick them up and walk off with them"	[04:11]
asciilifeform	they posit that the marks should become long-term orbiters of the operator, somehow	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	they do ?	[04:11]
asciilifeform	in at least one text	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	i thought the idea was to always get rid of them, which is why they keep getting shitty sex	[04:12]
asciilifeform	no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	(one has to have shitty sex to imagine literotica is a good description of sexuality and the really really important part about a great piece of ass is her bra size)	[04:12]
punkman	asciilifeform: no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits << the not-harem	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so like... keep slavegirls ?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	punkman tell ?	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/unusual/taser-forced-versed-injections/	[04:13]
assbot	Are Forced Injections the New Taser? « Total Criminal Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztTYZS )	[04:13]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the old taser.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: sop in ussr	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	dude the land of the free....	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Usually here they wait until the hospital. Traditional mixture here is B-52 comprised of Benadryl, 5 mg haloperidol, 2 mg ativan.	[04:14]
asciilifeform	психушка!	[04:14]
punkman	mircea_popescu: they had some acronym for it. long term multiple relationship something	[04:14]
punkman	so multiple girlfriends, but you can't have them at the same time	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	punkman why not ?!	[04:14]
punkman	because it's "hard"	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	no its not lmao.	[04:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: needs floor space.	[04:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: like machining.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	a) chicks love each other, unless brainwashed otherwise and b) where the fuck is that article brb	[04:15]
punkman	http://www.theattractionforums.com/general-discussion/33739-lifestyle-having-multiple-girlfriends.html	[04:15]
assbot	The Lifestyle of Having Multiple Girlfriends ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztU9UV )	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: like machining. << mill cut Bastard file takes minimal space	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/intre-doo-nu-te-ploo/ bah it's in romanian.	[04:15]
assbot	Intre doo nu te ploo pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztUgzR )	[04:15]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: that'd be the machinist's equivalent of a 'fleshlight'	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	"Jungle Conditions"	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the quote i wanted "A treia observatie este ca-i falsa teoria conform careia a te iubi cu doua fete e dificil din motive de anduranta fizica, adica tu abia rezisti s-o multumesti pe una, ce te faci cind is doua ?!" and from there on, "Ei bine, cu doua fete prezente, dornice si rabolite ambele segmente se extind cacascavalu' pane, si nu se mai dau dom'le duse. Chiar glumeam ca-i distractia pulii situatia, vrea s	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	a se bage putin si-aici, putin si-acolo, si-n gaurica asta ce-i, da-n gaurica aia cumu-i, si nu se mai lasa odata convinsa ca vrea sa incerce din toate ca plodu-n magazinu' de inghetati."	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess ima have to make this english.	[04:16]
punkman	heh http://www.puaforums.com/picking-up-women/126-mltr-multiple-long-term-relationships-tips.html	[04:17]
assbot	MLTR: Multiple Long Term Relationships - tips!!! \| PUA FORUMS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztUo2x )	[04:18]
asciilifeform	238389.	[04:19]
punkman	mircea_popescu: dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more. << I should "self-publish" that on Amazon	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	"The third point is that the theory by which loving two girls is difficult for cause of limited physical endurance, which is to say you can barely satisfy one, what the fuck to do with two is entirely false.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	I know not of others, but of myself I can testify of how testy things go. In any sexual act by which I mean copulation, there's present two segments. The first, from onset until I feel I can ejaculate if I wish to, an the second from there on, which is to say until whether I wish to or not, it's coming out. Depending on various factors, such as if I'm tired, or not well acquainted with the miss and I'm shocked by how g	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	ood she looks etc, the second segment may compress even to a quarter inute and such, but otherwise it's generally equal to the first, half hour, an hour, whatever.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	Well, with two girls present, eager and widely spread both segments expand like grilled cheese, and won't get gone already! We were even laughing at the cock's amusement, it wants a little in there, and a little in here, but what's in this little hole, how's it like in that one, it just woudn't give up because it kept wanting to try stuff like the kid in the icecream store."	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	there.	[04:20]
asciilifeform	punkman: see guide to flying, same thread.	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[04:22]
gribble	Current Blocks: 341592 \| Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 \| Next Difficulty In: 1127 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 12 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 45096160710.8 \| Estimated Percent Change: 9.26344	[04:22]
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punkman	asciilifeform: what's missing from the recipe?	[04:23]
punkman	looks very adequate to me	[04:23]
asciilifeform	punkman: nothing whatsoever. the recipe is complete, total, perfect.	[04:23]
*	mircea_popescu bows.	[04:23]
asciilifeform	now get thee to the airstrip.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	don't add useless in there!	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	detail http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2004/03/03/things_i_wont_touch_1.php	[04:28]
assbot	Things I Won't Touch (1). In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoLQ0g )	[04:28]
cazalla	mircea_popescu> and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much. <<< isn't that all the poor do? what else are ya gonna do but fuck	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	cazalla that'd be the problem.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	not for the retarded reasons of "omg they're making babies" or stupid like that.	[04:29]
cazalla	i got laid far more when i had next to nothing and lived at home with my parents	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	the problem is that if you running around in a circle yields you 10 dopamine bitcoins per hour, and actually reading the logs yields you 1 dopamine bitcoin per hour increasing by 10% every subsequent hour,	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	you're going to end up on the forum.	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	poor people have this very massive twin headed disadvantage where a) they start from a very low basis, hence the 1 bitcoin and b) they start surrounded by morons, so nobody to tell them about the importance of %s	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	fucking less when you're poor is a great plan. you'll get bored, which makes you question your environment, and perhaps even find better shit to do.	[04:31]
asciilifeform	what's next, suggest doing less dope when poor? less drink? lol	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	and generally, cutting down on everything you enjoy whenever you don't like where you are generally is a splendid plan.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	so fundamentally good even most animals know and apply it.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite.	[04:32]
*	asciilifeform adjusts hair shirt	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	simply that : whenever you don't like where you are, do less of everything you like and more of everything that's hard.	[04:32]
asciilifeform	simulated annealing...	[04:32]
BingoBoingo	perhaps even actual annealing	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/the-selling-of-the-avocado/385047/?single_page=true << Decent summary of the Marvel phenomenon	[04:34]
assbot	The Selling of the Avocado - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztVJGz )	[04:34]
cazalla	nz grows nice avocados	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo california's really going to shit for produce isnt it	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Haven't been there myself to check but most produce here seems to come from Chile, Peru, and Mexico	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	Or if in season it comes locally.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	california used to be a huge vegetable and so forth producer	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	fed about half the us i nthe 70s	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	Right, but then came the water troubles	[04:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.0003598 = 15.5074 BTC [-]	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	Far more farms locally doing the produce thing though. Might be that California priced itself out.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	mebbe	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	Could be the california wine thing's expanded into land that used to be produce? Could be any number of things, but... They just don't own the produce section like they used to.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	here's a well known open secret : wine is not a market.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	europe is sitting on a lake of wine the size of wisconsin.	[04:45]
punkman	http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=widc&widcDomain=home&widcYYYYMM=201412	[04:46]
assbot	Wines & Vines - Wine Industry Data Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztWHlZ )	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	American wine mostly consists of Gallo et al and people who want to own wineries jsut because	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	i guess it's the puritan thing to do. can't buy the girl her own car, but you can have her over at your exclusive winery resort / dude farm for aweek.	[04:47]
punkman	and your shit wine costs you $2k a bottle	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	so she can bring a bunch of dudes over and then you can text her abvout how she shouldn't instagram black cock stretching her out	[04:47]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, a bunch of aussies found that one out the hard way.. ass droppped out of the aussie grape market	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	and you can be called out by gawker and lose your team for half a billion	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	which will buy more wineries.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	punkman meanwhile fine bordeaux can readily be had for 50 euros a bottle./	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	Pretty much how it works.	[04:48]
punkman	mircea_popescu: and local wine costs about 2-3eur a liter	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	generally yeah. bout what it is in romania, italy and every other producing country.	[04:49]
punkman	and since I'm a barbarian, I even buy it in a box	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	and i think it's fine and i also drink it, so there's that.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	meh, i stick to bottles.	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	Local (Illinois/Missouri) can run $7-15 a bottle. Not particularly good, but more flavor than Gallo	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	but yes, recas (timisoara's pocket winery) has plenty of passable wines from 15 lei.	[04:50]
punkman	about wine lake: " Plan Bordeaux: an initiative introduced in 2005 by ONIVINS, the French vintners association, designed to reduce France's wine glut and improve sales. Part of the plan is to uproot 17,000 hectares of the 124,000 hectares of vineyards in Bordeaux."	[04:51]
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mircea_popescu	myeah.	[04:52]
punkman	why don't they make some room for cows that taste good	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	^Another California problem. Wasting land on Cows that would be fine in Wisconsin, and promoting "California Cheese"	[04:55]
punkman	france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew	[04:55]
punkman	I did have some steak of Uruguay the other day, was excellent.	[04:56]
cazalla	they grow nice cows here on king island, cost a bit extra but tasty so ya know, prob best steak in australia, least from what i've purchased	[04:59]
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cazalla	and being from tasmania, gotta be good	[04:59]
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punkman	so when someone wants to buy some live cows from latin america, do you have to airmail it?	[05:04]
punkman	ah ok cow-boat is a thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_carrier	[05:05]
assbot	Livestock carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztYyr6 )	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	you airmail it by asciilifeform method.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	they do produce methane.	[05:07]
punkman	cow-rocket does sound faster	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	plus with any luck it arrives cooked.	[05:09]
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punkman	if you are the Sultan of Oman, you can apparently airmail even 200 cows at once. http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/ship-cow/	[05:13]
assbot	How to Ship a Cow - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4BKki )	[05:13]
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punkman	offline arm-box decided to die, hmm	[05:30]
punkman	maybe time to get a pogo	[05:30]
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mircea_popescu	http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/lawyer-arrested-for-doing-her-job/	[06:04]
assbot	Lawyer Arrested For Doing Her Job \| Above the Law ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2kMVG )	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	this shit's pretty epic.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	" A veteran Assistant Public Defender in San Francisco, Jami Tillotson, was in a courtroom when she learned that another of her clients was being questioned in the hallway by a platoon of officers led by a plainclothes officer, Sergeant Inspector Brian Stansbury. When Tillotson intervened to point out that the police can’t go around questioning a guy that they know to be represented outside the presence of his lawyer	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	, she was arrested.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	For “resisting arrest,” even though her response to being threatened with arrest was “please do,” followed by immediate submission. If “please do” has become the new standard for resisting, we can set the Doomsday clock to 1 minute to 1984."	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	video included.	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	"And, of course, witnesses report that Inspector Stansbury did go ahead and ask questions after the guy’s lawyer gets led away. There’s the subtlety of the job right there: do something that won’t raise the ire of a court to get a foot in the door, use that to intimidate, then get the target to start volunteering information in a vain effort to make the intimidation end. Standard procedure. Tillotson knew what wa	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	s going down and got chained to a wall for an hour for her efforts.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	That’s right, she got chained to a wall."	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	shooting policemen on sight is supposed to appear as a morally dubious choice ?	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i really can't get all excited when various poor people do it. i can see exactly why.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141118152523-205984021-my-start-up-made-200k-in-it-s-first-two-months-and-i-m-embarrassed << lawl.	[06:15]
assbot	My Start-up Made 200k In Its First Two Months...And I'm Embarrassed \| Tucker Max \| LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRiIgT )	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	Melissa "You're an entrepreneur, right?"	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	Tucker "Yeah, of course."	[06:16]
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punkman	book in a box!!!1!11	[06:32]
punkman	ah ok ghostwriting 2.0	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	stupidest thing i ever heard. as if the hard part about getting someone to translate romanian trilema is "how to package the articles in querstion". that's the big deal, whether to save them as .jpg or .xls	[06:38]
punkman	tucker's biography is gonna be way more funny than his stories	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	depends if he writes it.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	i'd like to see silverman do it tbh.	[06:39]
punkman	he will ghostwrite it with his own two hands	[06:40]
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davout	wait a couple of months and some derp will come up with a btcjam variation built on top of it	[12:55]
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danielpbarron	davout diametric dignork donpillou dooglus dub	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	teh consumers have come to expect, davout	[12:56]
jurov	!mpif	[12:56]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: -1.93 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000205 BTC [+]	[12:56]
mats	mixing social networks and bitcoin networks? isn't that what keybase does?	[12:56]
thestringpuller	how come btcjam hasn't gotten shut down MTGox style?	[12:56]
davout	because they honor withdrawals i guess?	[12:57]
thestringpuller	mats: that's onename.io	[12:57]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller because they never actually got that much mainstream exposure.	[12:58]
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mircea_popescu	they're mostly like reddit, a bunch of losers with nothing better on their plate hoping to get money "somehow"	[12:58]
kakobrekla	Bonafide Raises $850k for Bitcoin Reputation System . < whats wrong with asswot nao?	[12:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55050 @ 0.00038134 = 20.9928 BTC [+]	[12:59]
kakobrekla	oh oh i see	[12:59]
kakobrekla	no css	[12:59]
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davout	kakobrekla: user has to keyboard	[13:00]
PeterL	thestringpuller: "Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself? << makes sense to compile various WoTs, gribbleWot and AssWoT are slowly diverging, it would be nice to have one place to look at both	[13:00]
PeterL	not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit	[13:00]
thestringpuller	it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator	[13:00]
thestringpuller	an*	[13:00]
PeterL	right	[13:01]
thestringpuller	and as you said how can you trust the information aggregated unless you vet it yourself	[13:01]
thestringpuller	so it kinda defeats the purpose?	[13:01]
PeterL	gives you a place to start though	[13:01]
PeterL	and I also don't see why they need 850k to make said system?	[13:02]
thestringpuller	^-that too	[13:02]
PeterL	somebody wants to "invest in bitcoin companies", but has more money than sense?	[13:03]
thestringpuller	its a trend that's gone the way of the sitcom by now it seems	[13:03]
PeterL	they probably won't even think to include GribbleWot and AssWoT in their agregator	[13:03]
thestringpuller	"I have great idea". Next "YCombinator-it". Raise seed funding. Run out of money. Ask mommy daddy for more. Rinse repeat.	[13:04]
kakobrekla	ofc not, nobody even uses irc anymore	[13:04]
PeterL	they end up with no money, where did it all go? who is winning from this chumpatron?	[13:05]
thestringpuller	asswot only requires IRC to leave reputations	[13:05]
mats	https://trmm.net/Taking_things_apart	[13:05]
assbot	Taking things apart - Trammell Hudson's Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN18eU )	[13:05]
thestringpuller	you could probably abstract the IRC part of asswot with a stand alone client	[13:05]
kakobrekla	https://bonafide.io/static/images/laptop-product2.png	[13:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zN1eTS )	[13:06]
kakobrekla	wtf is that 'balance' doing there?	[13:06]
kakobrekla	in bezzle format even	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	no css << to quote myself, you're thinking actual dollars, someone saved. these however are not that, they're fictitious dollars yellen printed.	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	not in any sense comparable.	[13:06]
mike_c	oh my. everything being tracked in that product shot is from web wallets.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit << the idea has merit in your eyes on the unwarranted assumption that it is being implementred by people in the wot.	[13:07]
kakobrekla	not in any sense comparable. < doesnt matter as long as someone else doesnt care	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller> it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator << actually, it's a repackaging of an ancient idea in the words du jour. tucker max also made a "itsuptoyou" website that was essentially... yet another (meanwhile failed) blog.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla so then don't care and it won't matter ? :)	[13:08]
PeterL	well, yes, it only works if done right. (kinda goes without saying)	[13:08]
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kakobrekla	lol not i!	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	PeterL but the thing is you're not saying and they're not working :)	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla oic.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	PeterL kinda like how murican marriages work too.	[13:09]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, it needs 850k so people can be paying rents, mortgages and college debt in california.	[13:09]
thestringpuller	^-	[13:09]
thestringpuller	d00de	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	has exactly nothing to do with anything else.	[13:10]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: this is the entire point of ycombinator	[13:10]
thestringpuller	you have "good idea" that really is bad but seems "interesting" so get paid to live while working on it	[13:10]
thestringpuller	cause you aren't employable otherwise	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	nah. you get paid so you can spend a little of your own money ON TOP.	[13:10]
PeterL	although, I don't see how it could make any money?	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	PeterL but it making money is not the point. the idea isn't for -god forbid- some inept cocklets ending up with control of the means of production./	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	the idea is to keep the battery chickens distracted, and their attention firmly focused on the state.	[13:11]
thestringpuller	the interesting phenomenon of the homeless entrepreneur in the bay area. more each year.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	so they don't form relationships either.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	control of capital and control of relationships. that's exactly why we're about bitcoin and about the wot.	[13:11]
thestringpuller	so given SF's economy is pretty much ponzi (floating on start up money) does the entire place become oakland 2.0 when it all falls apart?	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	PeterL you have to understand, 99% of the circulating material is just that. they get fed hay, they shit it out, it goes on the pasture, which makes more hay. the people live off the wool produced, which is a side effect.	[13:12]
PeterL	thestringpuller: maybe it would be worse?	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	the homeostasis is otherwise build out of circulating materials that get endlessly recyucled.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it can't become oakland, because these are whiny white nerds.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	they have no fundamental culture, like black dudes do have. they don't even know how to like without facebook.	[13:13]
PeterL	maybe Oakland takes over SF and kicks out (or enslaves) the whiney white guys?	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	no, it will become manchester in 1990.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	hm i guess that doesn't really mean so much.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	well... everyone seen trainspotting ? that's where it's headed. those kids.	[13:15]
thestringpuller	^- hah aids and heroin	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	pretty much. and dead babies.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	dead babies who died of being hungry for a month while nobody noticed.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	and that fucking gray.	[13:16]
PeterL	BingoBoingo: Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game. << I liked the end, and I thought the play could have worked, both players had their hands on the ball, defensive guy just wanted it more	[13:17]
PeterL	BingoBoingo:Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in << Ground game worked for MSU in the Cotton Bowl, overcame Baylor setting air records.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla by the way, if you feel like spending a year doing it, i'm pretty sure many/most ba projects COULD be shopped for bay area investment.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to go there, and you'll have to meet people. i'll back you, if you want to do it.	[13:21]
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mircea_popescu	holy shit this is still going /	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	lol qntra ended up with some buyside out of the deal too.	[13:23]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2015-statement/	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	someone tell mr moneybags there aren't even half that many shares in circulation lolz.	[13:23]
asciilifeform	rip, carl djerassi.	[13:41]
asciilifeform	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-31/carl-djerassi-chemist-behind-birth-control-pill-dies-at-91	[13:41]
assbot	Carl Djerassi, Chemist Behind Birth-Control Pill, Dies at 91 - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3DQCW )	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	his white pill did more for the red pill than any blue pillers wish to admit.	[13:42]
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asciilifeform	how many pushers of whatever political 'pill' can write one coherent paragraph re: what djerassi did.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	to quote hanbot, "you know had i not met you i don't think i ever would have realized how well anthropology and sadism go together."	[13:45]
asciilifeform	245870, incidentally.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[13:46]
PeterL	"The Nuclear Sciences Division within the Energy and Environment Directorate is seeking a Senior Plutonium Chemist. The candidate must have research experience and expertise in chemistry and processing of macro quantities of plutonium." << Too bad this doesn't fit my background ...	[13:47]
asciilifeform	unfortunately the timing of that experiment will soon be ruined, it is running on a gigantic portable that will be going into a knapsack in a few min.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	PeterL apply anyway.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	word around the terrorist campfire is, the usg is really running short on talent.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what you're moving again ?	[13:48]
asciilifeform	bastard node	[13:48]
asciilifeform	it'll be down for about ~1h each leg of trip.	[13:49]
asciilifeform	putting this here for anyone who actually gives a damn re: the numbers, timing.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tradecraft, he lives in places 3 months at a time	[13:49]
asciilifeform	lol it's a portable	[13:49]
asciilifeform	not moving in the sense of changing address	[13:49]
asciilifeform	but i do occasionally leave the house	[13:49]
asciilifeform	(see s.nsa broadcast!)	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	:p	[13:50]
asciilifeform	'bonafide' corp << the 'pretend #b-a doesn't exist, never existed, wouldn't matter if did exit' stratagem chugs along.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	certainly not to ba's detriment :D	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	what would any disease want more than for the host to claim it's perfctly healthy ?	[13:52]
PeterL	That was me the past couple days: I'm fine, I'm fine, I'll get better, I'm hacking up gobs of bloody phlegm I guess I'll go to the doctor	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	bronchitis ?	[13:56]
PeterL	strep throat	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	("no, pulmonar oedema")	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	mats: this is gonna be good <<< it's pretty threatening, shell has really no interest to refine further, at least for the next three months.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	most toothless stoppage ever, but it does take a bite out of obama.	[14:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26416 @ 0.00036362 = 9.6054 BTC [-]	[14:12]
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mircea_popescu	"The anti-fork crowd mostly consists of a small minority of ego-maniacal, 1% wannabees who want to keep Bitcoin as a niche market for elitist whales because it suits their vested interests. "	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	so much brainwarp. man i love bitcoin.	[14:34]
thestringpuller	where was that posted?	[14:35]
thestringpuller	reddit?	[14:35]
thestringpuller	or tardtalk?	[14:35]
ben_vulpes	hola pumperos	[14:36]
thestringpuller	who u callin a pumpero?	[14:38]
jurov	thestringpuller calm down, just some niggers	[14:39]
thestringpuller	"That's our word jurov you have no business using it!" lol (family guy reference)	[14:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108982 @ 0.00038174 = 41.6028 BTC [+] {2}	[14:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156498 @ 0.00035996 = 56.333 BTC [-] {2}	[14:49]
ben_vulpes	re grape market << what are the best plants to farm for turning solar energy into sugar?	[14:51]
*	ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm	[14:51]
ben_vulpes	and none of these fancy "wine" thingies - that's an opaque and stupid market to sell into full of branding and other crap.	[14:52]
trinque	oooh! now there's a timeless business	[14:52]
ben_vulpes	etoh, baby. something i put in a furnace and get real fuckin hot.	[14:52]
ben_vulpes	something i can douse gunshot wounds in.	[14:52]
ben_vulpes	something i can drink.	[14:52]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes you want to fucking distill?	[14:52]
thestringpuller	just make some fucking beer mr. hipster	[14:53]
thestringpuller	lolol	[14:53]
thestringpuller	isn't moonshining rather dangerous	[14:53]
ben_vulpes	can't burn beer	[14:53]
punkman	you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things	[14:53]
kakobrekla	then you will want to do schnapps (plums) or whiskey/bourbon	[14:53]
kakobrekla	i think plums are your best bet here	[14:55]
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jurov	depends on climate, most fruits would do	[15:00]
trinque	plums can handle the pacific nw	[15:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108518 @ 0.00038203 = 41.4571 BTC [+] {2}	[15:11]
mats	!up the_scourge	[15:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00038245 = 1.4273 BTC [+]	[15:12]
the_scourge	trinque: also gravenstein apples are VERY adept in the pacific NW all the way up to cape scott	[15:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1420 @ 0.00095934 = 1.3623 BTC [+] {7}	[15:23]
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kakobrekla	https://i.imgur.com/n9Th4q5.jpg	[15:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yvQGm7 )	[15:59]
trinque	kakobrekla: used that one in high school :)	[16:01]
kakobrekla	tru hax0r	[16:01]
trinque	heh no, but many a quake match	[16:02]
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PeterL	thestringpuller:isn't moonshining rather dangerous << If you know what you are doing and have the right safety measures in place it is not really dangerous	[16:04]
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coderwill	trinque: ah, a fellow quake player - nice to meet you :bows:	[16:09]
trinque	coderwill: shamefully it has been years	[16:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18842 @ 0.00038565 = 7.2664 BTC [+]	[16:10]
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coderwill	trinque: same	[16:10]
coderwill	trinque: but years ago, i must admit that i played so much that my eyes would tear as if i were crying or something	[16:11]
coderwill	trinque: was all in to clans, etc. hehe	[16:11]
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scoopbot	New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/02/02/F.MPIF-January-2015-trading-statement	[16:41]
jurov	looky it works	[16:42]
thestringpuller	anyone reporting on this: https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/562279244626411521 ?	[16:42]
danielpbarron	hah	[16:43]
thestringpuller	cazalla & BingoBoingo?	[16:43]
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BingoBoingo	* ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm << Rye, prolly cheaper to just buy by the ton	[17:01]
trinque	thestringpuller: seems the precedent being established is "if you're in bitcoin, you may not defend yourself in court"	[17:01]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/02/preet-bharara-and-dratel-battle-over-defense-witness-plain-text-of-filings/#update	[17:06]
assbot	Preet Bharara and Dratel Battle Over Defense Witness (Plain Text of Filings) \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRA2fe )	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: ^	[17:07]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: but what about when it can't be bought?	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Make friends? Have farm, build storage for bought rye and use your land for cash crops.	[17:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00038814 = 3.9319 BTC [+]	[17:09]
BingoBoingo	Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/	[17:09]
assbot	Bitcoin Elite to Gather on Secret Island for Bilderberg-Style Retreat ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRApXj )	[17:09]
jurov	announce: qntra shares credited to coinbr users who requested it	[17:09]
BingoBoingo	Ty jurov	[17:13]
thestringpuller	MP stole GLBSE's idea	[17:18]
thestringpuller	jk	[17:18]
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danielpbarron	http://satoshiroundtable.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/escudo-shatoshi-779x1024.png << they even got the dogecoin dog in the logo	[17:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1uRBLBi )	[17:19]
TomServo	Well thank goodness for that. Someone might've taken it seriously otherwise.	[17:21]
jurov	"Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately?	[17:21]
danielpbarron	they put all the people who are banned from bitcoin in one convenient list	[17:22]
danielpbarron	although I don't see derpopolus on the list	[17:23]
jurov	they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone?	[17:23]
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thestringpuller	i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes	[17:25]
ben_vulpes	http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/02/bots-and-the-super-empowered-individual.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FrzYD+%28Global+Guerrillas%29	[17:25]
assbot	Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRCyCa )	[17:25]
thestringpuller	mod6: dat feeling hearing Jeezy's verse on the Hustlin' remix	[17:26]
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BingoBoingo	they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone? << Maybe we'll get invites next time?	[17:30]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/562276041918783488	[17:33]
assbot	Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	and none of these fancy "wine" thingies << corn.	[17:35]
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mircea_popescu	"Changing the fees to be higher for Bitcoin, is going against what people like to say are some of the best things about Bitcoin, it's like changing what Bitcoin is."	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	"bitcoin is what derps like to say it is"	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	logic.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	conference << does it include silverware, to wear on head?	[17:36]
BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zNXsaCYAAVRTS.jpg	[17:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/16n6mS1 )	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	jurov they pay qntra to attend. once they actually get some money together and can afford being in the actual press.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo except this isn't a democracy.	[17:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course, I'm highlighting the "meta-wrong"	[17:38]
BingoBoingo	However long Obama's USSA persists they will imagine such things	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	well actually, that's nothing. i await with eagerness to see what the next democrat is going to promise.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	i mean, they gotta keep raising it.	[17:39]
trinque	basic income	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	how much ?	[17:39]
trinque	that's the motherload right there	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	it has to be at least 900	[17:39]
trinque	hell everyone should make 50k/yr	[17:39]
trinque	why don't they just come harvest blood from me directly	[17:40]
asciilifeform	lol, why not 50 trillion	[17:40]
trinque	asciilifeform: the "right to happiness"	[17:40]
trinque	the pursuit is inhumane	[17:40]
asciilifeform	not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill	[17:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286200 @ 0.00037014 = 105.9341 BTC [-] {3}	[17:41]
thestringpuller	"It's called Moronitor because it tracks users who repeatedly use the same address." << re: Bonafide	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	pity bill clinton's no longer in office	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	he could have made the bill-ion	[17:42]
BingoBoingo	not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill << We might have to run that past nubbins'	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller speaking of the bona fide, i got some pics earlier	[17:42]
thestringpuller	hooray for MP's porn	[17:42]
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thestringpuller	i mean bona fide pics.	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10329671#msg10329671 << i like how tight davout's arguing is.	[17:43]
assbot	Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1uREHxO )	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	"dude, you don't get to escalate me. go use the proper venues the proper way or shove it."	[17:43]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/562276041918783488	[17:47]
assbot	Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:49]
trinque	mircea_popescu: re: earlier rant about linux permissions, -w does not in fact mean -w if you're root	[17:49]
trinque	chattr -i does	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	heh	[17:50]
trinque	fucking madness, bronze-age punishments for lying please	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	"BUT YOU ARE SECURING TRANSACTIONS WORTH SOMETHING LIKE 2,000 TIMES MORE VALUABLE THAN TODAY'S TRANSACTIONS" << check out allcaps usgavin thinking bitcoi nin terms of "usd value"	[17:54]
ben_vulpes	naw bru	[17:55]
ben_vulpes	we're securing bitcoin transactions	[17:55]
ben_vulpes	what's a dollar?	[17:55]
ben_vulpes	source?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10330613#msg10330613 idiot thread v x.0	[17:57]
assbot	Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/16nbVjj )	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	that peter r shill is back in there with his nonsensical golfclub "statistics",	[17:57]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: Undeadopolus still looking for brainz to munch on...	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	it's been killed in teh logs, but obviously shills don't read.	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	(MP standing for Mircea Popescu.. - dam he must be so thrilled having the 'basic' bitcoin renamed after him XD) << no, actually, i'd rather it just be called bitcoin. which is what it is.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	saying no to idiots is hardly enough merit to rename things, we'll end up with weekly renamings if this is how things work.	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	"Also, I used to read their logs on IRC, and there was a guy called 'pankkake' (also in btctalk) who seems to have vanished. I think its because they disagreed regarding the fork thing, so if anyone could share the light on his views, that'd be interesting too since I used to value his thoughts." <<< wasn't that over the systemd fork of linux !?	[18:05]
TomServo	That was my impression. Almost certain is was pre-fork talk also.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	"I'd suggest you go research existing high-value-payment networks and see what typical fees are for multi-million dollar transactions. FEDWIRE is running at 6 transactions per second, average transaction value over $6million, with fees per transaction UNDER ONE DOLLAR.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	Why? Because if you are giving somebody one million dollars for something, you almost certainly have built up real-world trust, and probably have a longstanding relationship, signed contracts, etc etc."	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	basically, one less explored point of usgavin's interest with the fork is to cripple the politically revolutionary side of bitcoin. obviously if bitcoin can't be bitcoin then the replacement of plain contracts with gpg-contracts will at least be hindered.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	as if that's how the world works, old men get what they want for wanting it.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	what is this, new england ?!	[18:08]
thestringpuller	the patriots did win the superbowl	[18:09]
thestringpuller	to BingoBoingo's dismay	[18:09]
thestringpuller	woo.	[18:09]
*	thestringpuller was born in Hartford.	[18:09]
*	danielpbarron didn't bother watching	[18:09]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: It isn't that they won. It was how they won. Fucking worthless ending spoiled all of the fun that came before... except for the gold 30 foot tall mechanical tiger.	[18:10]
thestringpuller	XD	[18:10]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo you sound like the announcers	[18:10]
thestringpuller	Srsly tho. Up until Halftime the game was neck and neck. Two evenly matched teams.	[18:11]
BingoBoingo	I might be qualified to be such.	[18:11]
danielpbarron	i just noticed, the foundation's bitcoind still uses irc?	[18:11]
thestringpuller	I missed the "exciting part" as I drove home. No radio station was giving highlights.	[18:11]
BingoBoingo	The problem was Seattle decided to play with their food in order to burn the clock. Like the villain taunting instead of driving the knife deeper.	[18:12]
punkman	bitcoin RI compiled without errors on linux mint btw	[18:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2266 @ 0.00096989 = 2.1978 BTC [-]	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	o hey	[18:14]
punkman	anyone wanna give me a node IP I can connect to for testing?	[18:14]
danielpbarron	does it have to be of the same version?	[18:14]
danielpbarron	my ip is a full node	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	nope	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	probably better if not the same version, actually.	[18:15]
danielpbarron	point at me, i'm running 0.7.2 here	[18:15]
TomServo	danielpbarron: as I understand, with upnp being clipped IRC was the remaining node discovery mechanism	[18:15]
TomServo	Someeone please correct me if I'm mistaken.	[18:16]
punkman	and dnsseed	[18:16]
danielpbarron	acutally i'm not at "full" at the moment; playing a little catchup from the last crash	[18:16]
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mircea_popescu	"Or would you prefer to introduce sliding scale fee structure (higher tx amount - higher fee)?"	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	AHAHAHAHAHAHA	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	fuck you jesus christ.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	the one thing poor people will NOT give up except with their life is "you got money gimme"	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	how about all txn under 1 BTC are excised 99 bitcents fee because fuck you, go be poor in massachussetts ?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	and all txn over 1k are free because fuck you that side doo.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	"one of the unique and beneficial attributes of btc is you can send someone a 50 cent tip or a million dollars for almost nothing in transaction fees	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	i think it would be a big mistake to put higher fees on higher tx amounts and i would vote against it ,raise the block size if necessary and prune the blockchain is a better idea imo	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	everyone doesnt need the last 6-7 years of history ,there must be some way to let new users download the most recent portion without the previous 6 years or just the headers instead of every entire block etc	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	its already a 33GB download ,imagine that increasing exponentially ,nobodys going to download it all when it exceeds 100GB but i suppose we could all use "lite wallets " etc but that would also weaken the network if most people were using multibit etc"	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	the shit in that thread... i gotta stop reading.	[18:18]
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BingoBoingo	The "nobody will buy a hard drive" people are the worst. The problem isn't the hard drive.	[18:20]
danielpbarron	height=173849 << my pogo running "bastard"	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	you got that to comp[ile too ?	[18:20]
danielpbarron	davout diametric diatonic dignork donpillou dooglus Dr-G DreadKnight dub	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	going pretty good there danielpbarron	[18:20]
danielpbarron	not yet	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	just using stan's binaries /	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	?	[18:20]
danielpbarron	yep	[18:20]
asciilifeform	just build the damn thing. not that hard to do	[18:20]
asciilifeform	all you need is a reasonable linux	[18:21]
punkman	asciilifeform: the dnsseed-snip is for the portatronic branch right?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	let the guy go at his pace yo	[18:21]
danielpbarron	yeah that's the hang up; i'm about to reformat my laptop	[18:21]
danielpbarron	leaving ubuntu never to return	[18:22]
asciilifeform	dnsseed snip should work for -any-, as it only concerns net.cpp	[18:22]
trinque	danielpbarron: where you headed? openbsd?	[18:22]
danielpbarron	no	[18:22]
danielpbarron	not yet at least	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	punkman: you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things << great anal beads	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	if you're out of olives.	[18:22]
trinque	gentoo's fucked imo; everything depends on everything. I look at it the wrong way and suddenly I've got avahi-daemon or some other madness installed	[18:23]
danielpbarron	someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that	[18:23]
trinque	they moved a bunch of useflags into their own vars too, I noticed. because that was necessary	[18:23]
trinque	danielpbarron: mint is based on ubuntu isn't it?	[18:24]
asciilifeform	trinque: gentoo is as good as operator. you can excise the crud permanently and from everything running.	[18:24]
danielpbarron	ok never mind :p	[18:24]
danielpbarron	i installed gentoo once before	[18:24]
trinque	asciilifeform: sure, I'm hacking back the kudzu with use flags	[18:24]
trinque	would rather they were all off to start	[18:24]
trinque	think I'm down to 115 or so packages in world	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: https://i.imgur.com/n9Th4q5.jpg <<< ahhh sweet highschool....	[18:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/16nkdYt )	[18:25]
BingoBoingo	someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that << Systemd free, but... better venue for introducing microsoft refugees to not MS. Not really next step to get better at *nix	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	PeterL: If you know what you are doing << most of rural transylvania still makes its own moonshine. most still operators spend the three days it takes entirely drunk.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	on fumes.	[18:26]
cazalla	did they solve global warming or something? it's summer yet this is day 4 of putting the heating on each morning	[18:28]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format << lmao buncha wanna-bes. what fucking elite ?	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	cazalla it's alternatively warm.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	they're just being inclusive to all climates while working with technology to resolve the problems of the future.	[18:29]
BingoBoingo	It's the middle of winter and I fetched mail jacketless without feeling a chill. Scam weather.	[18:29]
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mircea_popescu	"Organized by Bruce Fenton of the Bitcoin Association and Atlantic Financial, participants in the first annual Satoshi Roundtable include top executives from companies such as Blockchain, BitGo, BitPesa, Chain, ChangeTip, Coinapult and MegaBigPower, as well as noted VCs in the space such as Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver."	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	mkay, so yeah, fenton trying to buy credibility.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	yo fenton, miss tits what's her name didn't manage, and she had the tits. this is not how you do it, seriously, pretending like you matter works in whoredom, not in finance.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	i know they told you there's no difference. they lied.	[18:30]
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TomServo	http://kingstonjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/zzz3.jpg	[18:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/16nlPkT )	[18:31]
cazalla	fenton is a baller, he changedtipped me $2	[18:32]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot -fetch	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	jurov: "Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately? << they have a serious strategic problem : employees are normally decent, intelligent human beings they're raping.	[18:32]
cazalla	should prob write up an article that fenton tips racist, women hating men	[18:32]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitmarket-pl-account-closed-over-hyip-links/	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	then those people want to express their outrage. sometimes they do. then they get letters from the idiot "management" about how THIS IS NOT OUR CORPORATE CULTURE	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	which is true, it isn't. the us is built on a corporate culture of empty pretense and outright fraud. course they tend to stick together.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	then those people lose morale and start coming to me with the stories, which hurts "everyone", which is to say : the scammers ; their friends.	[18:34]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: some CEO's don't always rape their employees	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	im sure some rubber chicken on a beach will solve all this!	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yeah, some don't always.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	viagra wears off.	[18:34]
thestringpuller	some CEO's just slowly kill company like virus	[18:34]
thestringpuller	like the nVidia d00d	[18:34]
thestringpuller	troll style	[18:34]
thestringpuller	kinda like Michael Scott from the Office just not as dimwitted.	[18:35]
cazalla	anyway, this elite retreat was announced weeks ago, clearly it didn't get much traction so they called up coindesk to promote it	[18:35]
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mircea_popescu	there's a pretty fucking bad film about three stooges that conspire to kill their bosses.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	the film's unwatchable except for a kevin spacey monologue	[18:35]
thestringpuller	Ah yes.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	"fuck you, sit down and work more."	[18:35]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/558819102861819904 1 comment on reddit, obv they didn't get the validation they were seeking the first time around	[18:35]
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assbot	Satoshi Roundtable is coming soon... http://t.co/5IdMdX025t	[18:35]
thestringpuller	And Jennifer Anniston sexual harrassing her assistant.	[18:35]
thestringpuller	Cause who would really care?	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	o that's who the old broad was ?	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	wow, all those chick flicks really age a body.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	almost like politics.	[18:36]
thestringpuller	Yup.	[18:36]
thestringpuller	And you know 11 years on Friends	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	cazalla send him a link to logs ?	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	maybe he figures it the fuck out eventually.	[18:36]
thestringpuller	cazalla: now that's a story if you can confirm...	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes << who does ?!	[18:37]
thestringpuller	the jews	[18:37]
*	thestringpuller stares at ben_vulpes	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	heh. so bring a girl, and go "don't lynch me, take her instead" then run.	[18:37]
thestringpuller	omg i'd get lynched harder if I showed up /w white girl	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Bring Marshawn Lynch, and Lynch them back	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	show up with a blue one then, mess with everyone's head.	[18:38]
thestringpuller	"Who let this nigger in here with one of our womenz?!?!?"	[18:38]
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thestringpuller	LOL	[18:38]
danielpbarron	that's asking a "Lot"	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	the "lynch me harder" thing is lulzy tho.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	just exactly what do you think this lynching business is :D	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	are you a lynch virgin, thestringpuller ?	[18:38]
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mircea_popescu	assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us.	[18:40]
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mircea_popescu	stress test the system, as it were. see what happens when there's i dunno, 500k pps ddos, but not from wordpress to me.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	backwards.	[18:41]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: one of my ancestors was lynched in mississipi so the family isn't a lynch virgin	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	o srsly ?	[18:41]
thestringpuller	but i myself am	[18:41]
thestringpuller	lol	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	how do you feel about that ? i got a few ancestors that were killed by teh turks and teh russians.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	oddly enough, i dislike just the russians.	[18:41]
*	danielpbarron too	[18:41]
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thestringpuller	well given my family is on exponential curve in wealth (only a generation ago we were in the projects), i'd say the karma is coming back around	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	heh. most everyone in romania was in teh projects coupla decades ago	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	where's that pic	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/ << 1990s pic of romania's top hip hop band.	[18:43]
assbot	Piinea amara a baietasilor de cartier pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16nowD5 )	[18:43]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: how were they killed by the turks and russians?	[18:43]
thestringpuller	ah yea. i remember coming accross that pic on trilema (random page of the front page thing)	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well, romania as a sovereign nation was mostly constructed around this event where the czar declared war on the turks on the fumes of imagining himself like the germans, and buying the british propaganda about the "dead man of europe". the turks were the origina lrhodesia.	[18:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00037173 = 27.0619 BTC [+]	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the turks mowed them down, and so the commanding officer sent the romanian kind a "plz save us telegram'. so the romanian army moved in, beat back the turks, took some impossible redoubts, lost like a third of the men and that was that.	[18:45]
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thestringpuller	Ah. Okay so 1800's at somepoint?	[18:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00037392 = 5.9079 BTC [+]	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	then later in ww2, romanian army went all the way to stalingrad, raping and pillaging with the germans, then got beaten back, went over to like, prague, and then after the war there was all that "sociailism" thingee/	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	1880s yea	[18:46]
thestringpuller	yea about same time great great great g-pa was lynched and thrown into swamp	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	;;google The Romanian War of Independence	[18:46]
gribble	Romanian War of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Romanian War of Independence - Simple English Wikipedia, the ...: ; Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	(one of the rare cases when a romanian was supreme commander of the russian troops in any war theater)	[18:48]
thestringpuller	wow.	[18:49]
thestringpuller	brb gonna read up on this. mircea_popescu always educatin mah simple mind	[18:49]
thestringpuller	and doesn't charge (yet)	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	there was also a case in ww1 when the romanian general was put in command of all the german units and so on.	[18:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00037664 = 39.7355 BTC [+] {3}	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	!up the_scourge	[18:57]
-assbot-	You voiced the_scourge for 30 minutes.	[18:57]
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trinque	poor felipelalli, so much IP in da logs	[18:58]
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the_scourge	oh cheers	[18:59]
the_scourge	sorry i didn't realize that was actually echoing	[18:59]
felipelalli	trinque: thank you! :) Internet in Brazil is not easy. I am installing a new one, it arrives 14 Feb.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	!b 1	[19:00]
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PeterL	you are replacing the internet?	[19:00]
felipelalli	ahahha	[19:00]
felipelalli	my cable, yes.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	i know i want a new internet too. who knew dilma got it	[19:01]
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trinque	felipelalli: if you beg the gods in #freenode they'll cloak you	[19:01]
felipelalli	trinque: thanks. I'll try it.	[19:02]
the_scourge	do you have to prove need now? needs-based systems are a sign of the apocalypse :)	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	it's how sex works...	[19:03]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: that's the opposite of how sex works	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	so "i have all this love to give" vs "i need to get laid" ?	[19:05]
the_scourge	sex is 100% merit. it's the one thing that can't be made needs-based even temporarily	[19:05]
the_scourge	um "i need to get laid" doesn't mean fuck all	[19:05]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << guess what	[19:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/16nu1Sf )	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	if sex were merit based how do you explain masturbation ?	[19:06]
*	trinque goes to tell the welfare queens and trailer whores what sex is	[19:06]
the_scourge	you could try asking your local cultural equality office of liberty to see if they can make it needs based.... get some equalisation fucks for the really needy	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	actually, prostitution is legal here.	[19:07]
the_scourge	ok, still mertis based	[19:08]
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the_scourge	unless romania is doing better on the equalisation front than.... everywhere else	[19:08]
PeterL	asciilifeform: are we supposed to be suprised by the result?	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	here = argentina.	[19:08]
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asciilifeform	PeterL: i for one am a little surprised that -any- of them work	[19:09]
PeterL	any idea when these were last updated?	[19:09]
asciilifeform	PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea	[19:09]
the_scourge	asciilifeform: do you always name your filehandles like that, or only in python	[19:10]
asciilifeform	the_scourge: only in python	[19:10]
PeterL	having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things	[19:10]
trinque	eat and shit are entirely appropriate names there	[19:10]
trinque	lol	[19:10]
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the_scourge	btw any chance that the first HLL cpu will support python? i know that's heresy but the library support is better than lispscheme	[19:11]
trinque	the_scourge: how dare you	[19:11]
asciilifeform	PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things << what do you suggest as an alternative? how is the proggy to know what exists anywhere without a hardcoded something or other	[19:11]
felipelalli	now I am cloaked. Thanks trinque for the tip.	[19:11]
trinque	felipelalli: no problem; looks good over here	[19:11]
the_scourge	felipelalli: did you have to prove need?	[19:11]
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felipelalli	the_scourge: no.	[19:12]
asciilifeform	the_scourge: if you want to port fortran or cobol to it, who can stop you. if you expect the design to somehow accomodate your perversion - sorry	[19:12]
PeterL	asciilifeform: could you have a separate seed config file?	[19:12]
the_scourge	cool so neither needs based nor merit. simple universal. to thsoe who ask. fn is democracy :)	[19:12]
the_scourge	asciilifeform: you're the one coding in python	[19:13]
asciilifeform	PeterL: separate config is in the works. but i did have the thought that ought to see what ought to go in it first	[19:13]
*	trinque wishes he could watch asciilifeform slap the_scourge in person	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[19:13]
trinque	bow to your sensei!	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	!down the_scourge	[19:13]
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asciilifeform	the_scourge: i occasionally use it as a healthier, low-tar substitute for perl	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	giving voice to anyone that asks has its disadvantages.	[19:14]
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PeterL	asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea << did you figure out what they were replaced with?	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Metternich-Wappen_Sm.png << an interesting case of central government driven inflation.	[19:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/16nxVdJ )	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	if the king can pay nobles for their service in "heraldics" he will do so. and issue and issue and issue until there's more crowns than the estucheon can hold.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	escutcheon*	[19:19]
jurov	BingoBoingo: "bezzel economy" -> "bezzle economy"	[19:20]
jurov	i was asking about linking to definition too, but	[19:20]
jurov	;;google bezzle economy	[19:21]
gribble	Bitcoin Falls Victim to Galbraith's “Bezzle” - The New Yorker: ; Agenda: Essential Task of Unwinding the Bezzle - WSJ: ; The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it ...:	[19:21]
asciilifeform	or possibly i was mistaken, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334/contrib/seeds/README.md	[19:21]
assbot	bitcoin/README.md at 7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/16nyGDO )	[19:21]
jurov	it shown me trilema immediately after that	[19:21]
asciilifeform	^ it still has hardcoded seeds	[19:21]
BingoBoingo	jurov: FXD THX	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	crooked timber is a good blog btw	[19:24]
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PeterL	How about putting seeds in a separate file (Foundation can host a copy that is updated periodically), and add user settable options for whether to download the updated file on program start and from where?	[19:30]
asciilifeform	separate file << was the plan already	[19:31]
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PeterL	and mechanism for updating it?	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	no autodownloads.	[19:31]
asciilifeform	i imagine ben_vulpes et al will post pgp-signed lists of working nodes now and again	[19:32]
PeterL	so manual download	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	sure, that';s the general idea, have all the magic strings in a file somewhere.	[19:32]
asciilifeform	understand that node only needs to find 1 working node on the list, to spin up	[19:33]
mike_c	PeterL: this mechanism already exists. bitcoin-seeder	[19:33]
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mike_c	dns-based	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21/the-global-bezzle-whence-it-came-where-it-went-and-why-it-matters-repost-from-2011/	[19:34]
assbot	The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it matters (repost from 2011) — Crooked Timber ... ( http://bit.ly/16nCmVW )	[19:34]
asciilifeform	dns-based << i nominated it for death	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	this, in particular, is a good discussion of macroeconomics, something you rarely see in english	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c a mechanism made by someone not in wot doesn't really exist.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	dns is not only a thin and centralized neck to squeeze, it is controlled almost entirely by usg	[19:35]
mike_c	heh, so people are going to download this file by IP address?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	ip addresses seems to be the manner to connect via tcp/ip neh ?	[19:35]
mike_c	neh! i like names. but i get it.	[19:35]
asciilifeform	so people are going to download this file by IP address << can come straight from the fuhrer's arsehole, so long as it's signed by genuine foundation	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	well do you also like ghosts /	[19:36]
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mircea_popescu	i gotta find this quote of myself, not enough self fellatio today.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	"In general I have found so far that the best results in computer security are achieved not by those who are most competent at securing a system, but by those who are backed by management most inclined to simplify their task. "	[19:37]
mike_c	i'm going to get this node list into my mini-node how?	[19:37]
mike_c	this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now? brb. code grep.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	it's a sad story.	[19:39]
mike_c	unsigned int pnSeed[] =	[19:40]
mike_c	{	[19:40]
mike_c	0x959bd347, 0xf8de42b2, 0x73bc0518, 0xea6edc50, 0x21b00a4d, 0xc725b43d, 0xd665464d, 0x1a2a770e,	[19:40]
mike_c	oh.	[19:40]
trinque	the language needs to be patched such that wisdom and simplicity are more closely connected	[19:40]
mike_c	hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	right	[19:40]
mike_c	well, this is clearly best solution :D	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	also first and biggest.	[19:41]
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asciilifeform	and, much as it is intriguing that so many nodes still hang out on irc bitcoin-xx channel, that thing doesn't belong in the RI	[19:43]
asciilifeform	but we can't zap both it and the dns seeder (already submitted zap for the latter) without a fresh list of seeds	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	on a principal consideration ?	[19:43]
PeterL	we plan to rip out irc?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	irc should probably stay because a) it doesn't actualy do anything atm and b) it will be an easy upgrade to gossipd	[19:44]
asciilifeform	the irc thing is a chokepoint. in my head it counts as 1 hardcoded node, really	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	which will make bitcoin full nodes a much saner thing altogether.	[19:44]
asciilifeform	think about it. isomorphic.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	and remove a lot of dumbass pressure off the blockchain. ("want to talk to people ? talk through the node process not through the tx process)	[19:44]
asciilifeform	actually, given that most of the hard seeds are dead, the irc mechanism is the primary bootstrap.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, how's it going artifexd ?	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of how's it going yo trinque ! what happened there ?	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought the node's own memory was the primary bootstrap ?	[19:45]
asciilifeform	when 0.5.3 switches on, it looks for some nodes	[19:46]
asciilifeform	mine (with dns seds nixed) ends up finding them on irc.	[19:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11809 @ 0.00038814 = 4.5835 BTC [+]	[19:46]
trinque	mircea_popescu: with deedbot? got hit with a bunch of irl work	[19:47]
asciilifeform	anybody who can sit down between me & the ircd, can feed in arbitrary crap	[19:47]
trinque	however it's nearly done	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	trinque ok, but it was nearly done like a week ago too ?	[19:47]
PeterL	could you add an option to input an ip address for seed? so start it by typing "bitcoin --seed my.fri.ends.ip"	[19:47]
asciilifeform	PeterL: iirc, that's already in there	[19:48]
mike_c	hopefully addnode didn't get nixed	[19:48]
PeterL	oh, ok, nevermind then	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform maybe this seed-from-file mod is more stringently needed than i thought ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ?	[19:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's a critical moving part (on warmup only, really)	[19:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: think about it	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	well i haven't run a stock node in years, so.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	mine just keep dbs of other nodes.	[19:49]
mike_c	it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.	[19:49]
trinque	mircea_popescu: granted. plenty of fires since then, which are out	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	trinque so what's almost done ? this week ? tomorrow ?	[19:49]
asciilifeform	mike_c: iirc you can only offer one seed in the conf as of 0.5.3 ?	[19:50]
mike_c	ah	[19:50]
mike_c	this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[19:51]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[19:51]
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mircea_popescu	"you haven't happened yet"	[19:51]
asciilifeform	phoundation's bitcoind does keep a cache of known nodes, it appears. but still uses dns seeds and hardcoded ip list for initial warmup.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	!give me the cockblocking BingoBoingo trophy!	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nothing quite like a camel with dolphin skin.	[19:52]
punkman	with -connect=ADDRESS it doesn't use built-in seeds	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt << mircea_popescu Still made it through. IRC lag makes you think you win these trophies.	[19:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/16nGK7A )	[19:52]
asciilifeform	-connect=ADDRESS limits you to that node and only it, alive or dead	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	DANGIT	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	-addnode offers multiple potential ips to add	[19:53]
BingoBoingo	to lsit	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	punkman asciilifeform yeah that's more intended for proxy chaining them iirc	[19:53]
punkman	you can do multiple -connect	[19:53]
trinque	mircea_popescu: my evening is free to hack on it; the "keep it running" part got a lot of attention, which may have expanded scope past "a few scripts"	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	kay!	[19:53]
mike_c	asciilifeform: BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-addnode"])	[19:53]
mike_c	^ seems evidence it takes more than one?	[19:53]
BingoBoingo	punkman: No you get one -connect, -connect is exclusive. -addnode populates address list	[19:53]
asciilifeform	mike_c: that's 0.5.3 ?!	[19:54]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: each part of it runs separately, different user, in a different linux container, etc	[19:54]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The future.	[19:54]
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mircea_popescu	trinque don't make it larger than your head.	[19:55]
trinque	if one part shouldn't talk to another, it doesn't	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	"Show your face. Those who know what you look like can verify that it's actually you, and not a sockpuppet trolling us all."	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	dude these fucktards. LEARN PGP!!1eleventyfivethousand cocks in your mother's dumb mouth.	[19:56]
punkman	"BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-connect"])"	[19:57]
punkman	not exclusive	[19:57]
asciilifeform	punkman is correct. alert reader award.	[19:58]
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punkman	so no need for irc or built-in, just have them in the bitcoin.conf	[19:58]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[19:59]
mike_c	yes, well, still makes plug-n-play nodebox more difficult.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	mike_c: how?	[19:59]
punkman	maybe have a list of dnsseeds with signed node lists baked in the source	[19:59]
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mike_c	I guess not. just step N is download list of nodes.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	so we ship, e.g., the pogos, with titanic list of nodes. some of which we own and operate.	[20:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00038863 = 22.4628 BTC [+] {2}	[20:01]
ben_vulpes	assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	in the words of one of the numerous us generals remembered for losing a war, "the unknowns that we know about, we name terrorism. the unknowns we don't know about, we predend don't exist. that and the state department is how we spend a trillion for the priviledge of spending another trillion."	[20:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96100 @ 0.00038935 = 37.4165 BTC [+] {2}	[20:03]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes demanding to be gassed by gestapo ahead of schedule, lol	[20:03]
ben_vulpes	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << oh lol	[20:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K4XfDL )	[20:03]
ben_vulpes	deserves a post	[20:03]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase	[20:04]
ben_vulpes	i gotta meeting in like...2m	[20:04]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: deserves a post << see thread here first	[20:04]
BingoBoingo	MEGA LOL >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10339914#msg10339914	[20:04]
assbot	Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Xz5k )	[20:04]
BingoBoingo	^ RE: Mr Fenton	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	"Of course many ISPs block out outgoing 8333 by default . Why do you think we see all these threads where people complain that they are getting only 8 incoming connections on their bitcoin QT wallet? Why do we average less than 7k nodes worldwide at any given time?"	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	culprit found.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	"I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	actually 2112 has a very good point.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	wasn't goping to say anything, but since it's public now..	[20:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00038569 = 16.199 BTC [-]	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10340310#msg10340310 << Now it is on the forum	[20:12]
assbot	Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Z6Z2 )	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	Well, not THE forum, but a forum	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	in any case, the pogo plugs will be quite welcome. the network's been suffering for a long time,	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	like the ents or something.	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1813.pdf	[20:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Zy9G )	[20:14]
asciilifeform	Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol!	[20:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> like the ents or something. << Where did all of the nodewives go?	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[20:14]
BingoBoingo	Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol! << See someone got the Fenton lulz	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	Professional Stoogesultant	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know that's just a general support email, and the connection between fenton and fdvt is about the same as between reddit feminist incel and starbucks	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	ie, purely aspirational ?	[20:15]
asciilifeform	why is it in the satoshiroundtable.org 'whois' then ?	[20:16]
asciilifeform	https://whoisology.com/email/archive_8/domainadmin@fdvt.com	[20:17]
assbot	Access Restricted ... ( http://bit.ly/16nNqlZ )	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	myeah...	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	topdollar.com megawealth.com mutualfundcenter.com atlanticfinancial.com capitalgain.com etc.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	ie, buncha spamsites and whatever.	[20:18]
asciilifeform	this fella clearly read 'spam like a pro in twenty-one hours' !	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	lol fentonfoundation.com	[20:19]
asciilifeform	if he stuffed the 'fvdt' contact in his own domain reg fraudulently, what's it take to get the registration judged & pulled ?	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	why does it have to be fraudulently ?	[20:21]
asciilifeform	theoretically - if registrar won't pull, we can regard the shilling as a proven fact	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	Fleetwood Digital Video Technology Corp is not like... haliburton or something.	[20:21]
asciilifeform	one way or the other	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	it's a smallish business, think in terms of roger ver's used laptops shop	[20:22]
asciilifeform	eh, sure. small business that does no-one-knows-what, for usg only	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	eh get out. i control so many I don't know all of em by name	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.fdvt.com/gsa-general-services-administration.htm there, filings.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	basically they're one of the what, 100k or so small tech-ish corps that live off the usg dole.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	not exactly unconnected, for sure, but never invited to a fundraiser either, unless it's for the state capitol and they couldn't fill the seats.	[20:24]
asciilifeform	i do happen to know something about those. usually they exist as a little flea on the back of a larger flea, sometimes three or four fleas in a circuit	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	"Cabletica, ICE, Kolbi, Claro, Moviestar all need to be called and asked to open this port." << at least the last two are cheap mobile providers in argentina.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite exactly.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	you get the picture.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	it would be not entirely uninteresting, to learn his host flea.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	local mass politics from what i've seen so far.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	until i learn better... shrug.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	also i am unaware of any extant isp outside of iran blocking an -outgoing- port other than 25	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	stop reading that thing you'll give yourself earbleeds.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	on the other hand - every cellular isp in usa (that i've tried) blocks -all- incoming connections	[20:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00036889 = 40.6701 BTC [-] {2}	[20:30]
asciilifeform	252649.	[20:31]
punkman	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/ee932025c1a318943a6b101be9fe7a4a2e10648c	[20:34]
assbot	Changed pronouns for correctness and inclusivity · ee93202 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K53vLJ )	[20:34]
asciilifeform	'bikinibabe' ?! trololol.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	hahaha wut	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	if i find out there's some fucktarded 50something collegiate "professor" setting up the idiot chickies in her class to doing this...	[20:36]
asciilifeform	which one of you jokers is 'bikinibabe'. confess.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	it's prolly sa actually.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	whoever is doing is - brilliant 'shit test' - will the idiots merge? turns out, yes! they will.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	sa?	[20:37]
PeterL	"inform the master he or she can" << really, it should be "inform the master or mistress he or she can", right?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	someting awful. this old comedy board that for a while was the core of radical libertardism in the us.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	obligatory: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html << by doug hofstadter! yes, him	[20:39]
assbot	Douglas Hofstadter - Person Paper on Purity in Language	[20:39]
asciilifeform	he actually caught a good bit of shit for this number	[20:40]
PeterL	actually, they should remove all references to "master", because it makes us thing about slavery, so bad, mkay?	[20:40]
asciilifeform	PeterL: that was one of the first engineering terms to get liberast attention, actually	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	i dunno who him is.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it'll be hard to do away with master seeing how that's what i am. best do away with husband, replace with cuckold ?	[20:41]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: doug h is sui generis. can't really place him in a genre. he wrote a number of tomes for folks who like mathematics (in particular, logic and theory of computation), languages, translation. he is also a fairly good translator of ru->eng, even rhyme-preserving pushkin. blew my mind.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	my inculture is vast.	[20:42]
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asciilifeform	dh is best known as an american/eng author, but iirc his native lang is fr. on account of peculiar upbringing. and he knows plenty of others.	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu thanks for the notes on that last article	[20:45]
asciilifeform	http://www.physixfan.com/wp-content/files/GEBen.pdf << l33t w4r3z, hofstadter's best known work.	[20:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K55I9S )	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	which one ?!	[20:45]
pete_dushenski	jooz and stereotypes: i cleaned up the log quotes and took another hack at the romanian	[20:46]
asciilifeform	GEB is really a book for intelligent children, or perhaps for adults who are n00bs to the whole thinking business. it's a fun, not serious, sort of book.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	ah ah	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	link me again ?	[20:47]
asciilifeform	in print nonstop since '79, iirc.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	pete i meant.	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/01/jooz-and-stereotypes/	[20:48]
assbot	Jooz and stereotypes. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1K56l3c )	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	and for the german-speakers, this article just sent me a trackback: http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/02/der-kommende-blockchain-burgerkrieg/	[20:49]
assbot	Der kommende Blockchain-Bürgerkrieg \| BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1K56FPp )	[20:49]
pete_dushenski	the article has a poll at the bottom	[20:51]
pete_dushenski	lulzy 13-5 results thus far in favour of block size, including my vote for nein!	[20:51]
pete_dushenski	*in favour of increasing block size	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	yeah, website polls is how moot ended up time man of the century	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	lol "Zum einen ist da Davout aus Frankreich"	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	hey davout check it out, germanz think teh frenchies are einen.	[20:55]
pete_dushenski	lol	[20:56]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform that hofstadter fellow has a decent little sense of humour	[20:57]
pete_dushenski	It's quite obvious, for instance, that the chairwhite of the League of Black Voters is going to be a black, not a white. Nobody need think twice about it	[20:57]
pete_dushenski	lol chairwhite...	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:59]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/love-will-inc-pheeva-wallet-win-2015-olin-cup/	[21:02]
*	pete_dushenski shakes fist at scoopbot	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski it still sucks :D	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu then a dayjob keeper is me!	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	lemme tell you a joke.	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	k	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	if you ever meet a hungarian speaking foreign languages you just met a jew.	[21:04]
jurov	lol	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	hehehe.	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	haha!	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	i wonder what other peoples/nationalities this heuristic might apply to...	[21:06]
pete_dushenski	heuristic/funny	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	funnyristic.	[21:07]
pete_dushenski	aka stereotype ;/	[21:08]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[21:10]
gribble	Current Blocks: 341706 \| Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 \| Next Difficulty In: 1013 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 45251697037.7 \| Estimated Percent Change: 9.64029	[21:10]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-january-2015-statement/	[21:13]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu thanks for the translations :D	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	yw	[21:17]
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jurov	btw, are the pogosticks supposed to accept outside connections? if they're plugged into home routers then we need upnp then	[21:23]
jurov	and it was the first thing excised... it will ran as standalone daemon, i guess	[21:24]
jurov	*run	[21:24]
jurov	the upnpnp deamon, i mean	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	i doubt someone who has the werewithal to get the pogo going needs me to unpnp him	[21:28]
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mats	;;ticker	[21:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 237.8, Best ask: 238.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 237.79, 24 hour volume: 15989.25963627, 24 hour low: 221.79, 24 hour high: 241.98, 24 hour vwap: 229.507388939	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	!up kobud	[21:36]
-assbot-	You voiced kobud for 30 minutes.	[21:36]
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pete_dushenski	I think that in the old days where the financial system was not too developed, the only way to develop a new idea was to be born rich, to have resources and use them. Today and increasingly so to the extent the financial system works well, you can start a company, apply an idea, or even run large companies even if you are not born rich and don't have a lot of money.	[21:37]
pete_dushenski	^today apparently = neobee	[21:38]
trinque	lol	[21:38]
pete_dushenski	and this is a good thing!	[21:38]
trinque	today as back then, you can bootstrap yourself so long as you're prepared to lay brick by hand for a half decade	[21:39]
pete_dushenski	unless the vc fairy sprinkles some dust on you while you're sleeping	[21:40]
pete_dushenski	then it really only takes a few minutes	[21:40]
thestringpuller	trinque hah; you are going to treat your robots like people?	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	it can work, sure.	[21:41]
pete_dushenski	and 11 year olds can give ted talks on how to fix the world	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	similarly, in the old days when you were born a maid, you were going to be a maid even if you were really pretty.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	now you can also be a pop singer.	[21:41]
trinque	pete_dushenski: the vc fairy wanted 67% of my business	[21:41]
trinque	I told him to fuck off	[21:41]
pete_dushenski	lol	[21:42]
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pete_dushenski	that's an aggressive ask eh	[21:42]
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mats	heh	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	it's not common to allow founders control in the financed vehicle, principally because founders usually fuck it up.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	cases like spolski's are the exception.	[21:44]
mats	unconfirmed report of someone trying to root an ubuntu luser idli g herr	[21:44]
mats	agh, mobile. idling here.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	how did it go ?	[21:45]
mats	guy went to sleep before i got more details, im going to put up a vulnerable box later and see what happens	[21:46]
mats	get a cloak, people	[21:47]
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trinque	heh I wonder how many servers just got ssh'd into	[21:50]
danielpbarron	https://twitter.com/kyuupichan/status/562411554583244801	[21:52]
assbot	Haha. "Please use the shared hairdryers only for the hair on your head. Thank you for your cooperation." http://t.co/49FIEB4iKo	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	trinque some ubuntu vuln reported or something ?	[21:52]
trinque	not to my knowledge	[21:53]
trinque	I tend to assume things like znc are riddled with holes	[21:53]
trinque	could be something along those lines	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	"The turn of the cultural left to Twitter is a reflection of its weakness on university campuses, not its strength. Today’s intra-left fights over cultural identity are not the birth pangs of a dangerous new radical left elite of cultural enforcers. They’re the product of anger and economic powerlessness, the unanticipated result of the hollowing out of humanities on university campuses, and the parlous state of in	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	tellectual journalism. "	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[21:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00096956 = 4.8478 BTC [+] {5}	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, within twenty years if that as much as having been interested in the left will be a hanging offense.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	"This is in turn leading to an (unsustainable) proliferation of cultural commentary, some of it unreadable, but much of it sharp and interesting. Much of this commentary is understandably driven by spleen. Impoverished freelancers and adjunct intellectuals, scraping out a living from commuter teaching and dead end jobs, are angry when they look at the comfortable positions that a previous generation of humanities intel	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	lectuals had, and that they never will. They won’t ever have good jobs. They do have Twitter. But that’s nearly all that they do have or are likely to have any time soon."	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	that's quite right : nobody ovulating today will get as far as sara mccune.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	even Leah McGrath Goodman's poverty will be relatively a high mark.	[21:57]
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mats	http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2012-3411	[22:01]
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trinque	mats: this was the guy's issue?	[22:03]
mats	yeah	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	just a dos ?	[22:03]
trinque	way different than "rooted"	[22:03]
mats	looks p benign	[22:03]
asciilifeform	jurov: if they're plugged into home routers then we need upnp then << why????!? every home router ever made, even utter garbage, lets user open ports the normal way	[22:04]
asciilifeform	fuck upnp.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	esp since... well... so dnsmasq will get killed by kernel	[22:04]
BingoBoingo	systemLulz https://twitter.com/lusis/status/562288488952107008/photo/1	[22:04]
assbot	man I'm glad the systemd devs all have SSDs. http://t.co/92rGdSitBF	[22:04]
asciilifeform	not just for what it is, but for how it's implemented. (metric shit-ton of xml garbage, book-length standards doc)	[22:04]
mats	i need coffee	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	is dnsmasq even standard in ubuntu ?!	[22:04]
jurov	i have never seen anyone except myself opening ports the normal way	[22:04]
trinque	mircea_popescu: it's part of the awful libvirt wad	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	jurov that may be a function of social circle!	[22:05]
trinque	handles IPs and whatnot on the virtual networks	[22:05]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: the only way to develop a new idea was to be born rich << or... take it. chingis khan style.	[22:05]
jurov	i won't contend that	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in retrospect, the efforts of those shitgremlins to shoehorn xml into things are so lulzy.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	it's dead anyway, but hey, well done guise, at least you went blind on code.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	root an ubuntu luser idli g herr << lol, time for honeypots	[22:06]
jurov	jus' saying i don't have anyone to give pogostick to.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	the reports of mark twain's rooting seem grossly exaggerated.	[22:06]
jurov	people who know how to open ports either do have a node or can't be arsed to even for free	[22:07]
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mircea_popescu	jurov you can just drop one in local library.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	they will... never figure it out.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	considering what it costs...	[22:07]
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mircea_popescu	lol i have spinning disks.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, much easier to destroy.	[22:08]
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asciilifeform	i don't know any serious computer user who does not have a multitude of spinning disks at all times.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	but then again it works out : we're not systemd devs.	[22:09]
jurov	if i do, then i'll add upnp anyway. just fyi.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	jurov: you know, upnp can run as a separate daemon	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	jurov not a crime. but you could also just 192.0.0.1 and typeadmin admin	[22:10]
asciilifeform	jurov: absolutely no reason to build it into bitcoind, ever	[22:10]
jurov	yes, as a separate daemon	[22:10]
asciilifeform	even if you absolutely need it somewhere (e.g., bitcoind as malware payload)	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it occurs that at 4mb, nodes can be run as virii by now without problems	[22:11]
asciilifeform	4mb on arm	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	especially since usgavin has made space double and bandwidth expand	[22:12]
asciilifeform	~1.2 compressed	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[22:12]
asciilifeform	the blockchain is the bulk of the footprint, quite obviously	[22:12]
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mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << asciilifeform, thanks for this. this goes along with some of the trouble we've been seeing over the last 72 hours.	[22:12]
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asciilifeform	the proggy itself has never been large in comparison	[22:12]
asciilifeform	mod6: trouble << do tell	[22:12]
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mod6	in a wide variety of ways, and it's not consistant, we've been having issues getting past the last checkpoint block (more often than not): 168,000	[22:13]
mod6	one sec, i have a matrix for what we've tried.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afaik windows doens't mind secret partitions.	[22:13]
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mod6	we're still testing this out... but i/we haven't encoutered anything like this until just this past 72 hours:	[22:14]
mod6	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0Mdd9zrL	[22:14]
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mod6	we're interested to see if anyone running: v0.5.3 + patches {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 (db_config) } runs into the same issues.	[22:15]
mod6	also, v0.5.3. + patches {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7} (which includes the version update)	[22:16]
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mircea_popescu	A Person Paper on Purity in Language << i don't grok wtf this is supposed to be.	[22:17]
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mod6	we also note that if you do remove checkpoints, obv, this is no longer a problem.	[22:17]
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mod6	but, its weird, because a week ago i ran a full sync of: v0.5.3 + {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6} and sync'd just fine, as you can see in the matrix notes (was able to send/receive here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FSA9gxs8)	[22:19]
assbot	Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlM47Z )	[22:19]
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mod6	and TomServo was able to run with the following config and just achieved full sync: v0.5.3 + {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7}	[22:19]
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PeterL	what do the checkpoints do?	[22:20]
mod6	so, like we were saying, its not consistant. and perhaps we need to point directly at v0.5.3 nodes... not sure.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i don't grok wtf this is supposed to be << was written when the whole 'pronoun warrior' thing was brand new	[22:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is (i thought this was very obvious) a spoof on subject	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no but looky : "Perhaps this piece shocks you. It is meant to. The entire point of it is to use something that we find shocking as leverage to illustrate the fact that something that we usually close our eyes to is also very shocking. The most effective way I know to do so is to develop an extended analogy with something known as shocking and reprehensible. Racism is that thing, in this case. I am happy w	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	ith this piece, despite-but also because of-its shock value. I think it makes its point better than any factual article could. As a friend of mine said, "It makes you so uncomfortable that you can't ignore it." I admit that rereading it makes even me, the author, uncomfortable! Numerous friends have warned me that in publishing this piece I am taking a serious risk of earning myself a reputation as a terrible racist. I	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	guess I cannot truly believe that anyone would see this piece that way. To misperceive it this way would be like calling someone a vicious racist for telling other people "The word 'nigger' is extremely offensive." If allusions to racism, especially for the purpose of satirizing racism and its cousins, are confused with racism itself, then I think it is time to stop writing."	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	a) it does not shock me.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	b) it is simply very bad writing.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing of depth in there, it;s just the usual libertard tedium.	[22:21]
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mircea_popescu	and yes, women and men are structurally different, and will never be the same.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	not in the way white men and black men are superficially different	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	but quite in the way your pony is not your dog.	[22:22]
mod6	PeterL: well, one thing they do, is prevent spam from bogus blocks from old timestamps: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1442	[22:22]
asciilifeform	mr h was trying, as a young academic in usa, to troll liberasts without being stoned to death immediately	[22:22]
assbot	bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoQMyA )	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	he seems to be proposing the notion that saying she when i mean a cuntbearer is about as bad as inventing a special ble pronoun to denote a guy's color	[22:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and it reads as the usual tedium because it -was- same, with words swapped	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	well here's the thing : i don't happen to give a shit about the guy's color	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	but i'm not particularly interested to discuss anyone outside of their gender.	[22:23]
asciilifeform	at any rate it was a mega-troll in gringolandia	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	which is why english, latin and every other language has a gender pronoun and declension.	[22:23]
asciilifeform	if does not work outside - unsurprising	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	i guess anything can be a mega troll there.	[22:24]
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asciilifeform	'seinfeld effect' case.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	such a dumb premise tho. "i will write very bad prose, which will prove to you that sensible is shocking!!!1"	[22:24]
asciilifeform	cuntbearer << can't help but imagine this as something like a cupbearer	[22:24]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda what's meant.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	and somehow this gets conflated with marital status ? who the hell cares if the woman's "married" whatever that even means.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000	[22:26]
asciilifeform	with any of our 0.5.3 derivatives	[22:26]
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asciilifeform	the 'bastard' variant will wedge, however, for up to an hour (in my experiments)	[22:27]
asciilifeform	when it encounters a shit-feeder	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	mod6 i didn't see a 168000 exactly freeze either, ever	[22:27]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000 << us either, until 72 hours ago	[22:28]
asciilifeform	why no more than hour, i do not know - either good fortune, or their connection flakes out (see former), or ?	[22:28]
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mod6	hmm.	[22:28]
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asciilifeform	mod6: also note that the hardcoded seeds do not come into play unless irc fails	[22:29]
asciilifeform	(presently irc is there and enabled)	[22:29]
mod6	yeah, gotcha.	[22:29]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if memory serves there'sa cutoff that severs unproductive connections after an hour.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	that'd be it then	[22:29]
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asciilifeform	mod6: post your debug.log	[22:30]
asciilifeform	mod6: for the wedge	[22:31]
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mod6	so if anyone else sees any wedging on a checkpoint block like the following, let me know right away, pm me if required: http://dpaste.com/1N3NPT9	[22:31]
assbot	dpaste: 1N3NPT9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlPffR )	[22:32]
mod6	asciilifeform: there is a snippit in the matrix one. not sure if I have a full one still.	[22:32]
mod6	i probably do, but I'm making a fresh sync now.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	aha found it	[22:32]
mod6	will have a fresh one in an hour or two	[22:32]
*	asciilifeform recites kakobrekla's sacramental 'did somebody molest the britneychain'	[22:33]
mod6	i was getting pretty paranoid at first.	[22:34]
mod6	had a tinfoil hat on and everything heheh	[22:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00037014 = 15.3053 BTC [+]	[22:34]
mod6	got 100k blocks to go until i probably re-wedge @ 168k	[22:35]
mod6	one time i got wedged at like 27,5XX !?	[22:36]
mod6	this was on Saturday night.	[22:36]
mod6	but then i applied the rm_checkpoints patch and then it continued on np.	[22:37]
asciilifeform	mod6: make a copy of .bitcoin shortly prior to wedge	[22:37]
mod6	ok will do.	[22:37]
mod6	We wanted to collect as much data as possible before we let other know in #b-a. Hence the delay until now.	[22:39]
mod6	I wasn't fully sure that it wasn't our build script or something wonky screwing it up... but a hand-build showed the same result.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	not proclaiming a molested britneychain as proven fact yet, but if it had been, it would look rather much like this.	[22:40]
mod6	i've got mutiple good v0.5.3 chains saved, but ... just was regression testing to ensure full sync with the v0.5.3.1 patch before release sign & cut	[22:41]
mod6	lo and behold..	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, i keep old nodes and old chains.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	it must be some sort of local issue.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	mod6: this'd be why i objected to zapping the checkpoints thing wholesale. now, programmable checkpoints - by all means.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	config file - where they belong.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	just say no to hardcoded magic numb3rz.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	code is not for data. data is not for code.	[22:43]
mod6	yeah. that's the new plan. all magic numbers in a config file.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	mod6 wasn;t it the old plan ?!	[22:43]
mod6	or, at least, we'll start with that.	[22:43]
mod6	yeah, well, still is the plan i should say :)	[22:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: guess who also keeps vintage blockchain around	[22:43]
asciilifeform	and i doubt it's just 2 of us	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't just "keep it around', it's what i actually use.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	all molestation of britneychain is necessarily localized phenomenon	[22:44]
*	asciilifeform uses, when uses anything at all	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	and yeah pretty sure we're not the onlyones. not by a longmargin.	[22:44]
*	asciilifeform keeps a number of editions going	[22:44]
mod6	hmm, but yeah, really /was/ weird that it was inconsistant.	[22:45]
mod6	i.e. TomServo having total success, and ben & I having weding problems.	[22:45]
mod6	and we were using same build scripts .. and me building by hand even once.	[22:46]
*	asciilifeform uses bitcoin as a scientific toy, curio, but if he had been firing it in anger for years as mircea_popescu had, would have finished own implementation eons ago	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	btw, since you were asking ( a while ago) : found the oldest src set, monday may 21st 2012	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	you still want it ?	[22:46]
asciilifeform	yes!	[22:46]
asciilifeform	sign, post	[22:46]
asciilifeform	to jurov's turdatron, say	[22:46]
asciilifeform	as big fat gz	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	not big at all, 4 mb ish	[22:47]
asciilifeform	bombs away.	[22:47]
danielpbarron	height=176772 << no wedge here	[22:48]
mod6	what's your build?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	i'd love to know what blocks are in the molestation set.	[22:48]
danielpbarron	mod6, the one asciilifeform compiled	[22:48]
mod6	is it the portotronic?	[22:48]
danielpbarron	yeah	[22:48]
danielpbarron	the bastard one	[22:48]
mod6	yeah, totally different beast	[22:48]
asciilifeform	is some joker trying to euchre in on satoshi's goodies.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	one diddled node at a time.	[22:49]
mod6	but danielpbarron: good to know tho. thx.	[22:49]
mod6	we must get this patched RI repeatable (and it was before a few days ago) before we can cut release.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so how doers this work, email to address, gz in attachment, clearsigned text as email body ?	[22:51]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:51]
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asciilifeform	as described in http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev	[22:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DyUhn4 )	[22:51]
asciilifeform	attach foo.gz and foo.gz.sig	[22:51]
asciilifeform	for all foos	[22:51]
asciilifeform	body of msg is a cleartext signed pgpgram	[22:52]
asciilifeform	that's it (unless jurov has some other weird constraint in there we haven't yet discovered)	[22:52]
asciilifeform	(x.y.sig is an ascii-armoured detached sig of the usual variety)	[22:53]
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asciilifeform	mod6, danielpbarron: in case this wasn't clear, my armv5 build still has the checkpoints (other than orphanage burner, only the basic patches are in)	[22:55]
asciilifeform	this is kinda why i was reluctant to distribute binaries - i want everyone to know precisely what they're eating	[22:56]
asciilifeform	and this is quite impossible with binaries	[22:56]
asciilifeform	(it's hard enough with src)	[22:56]
mod6	yeah, i wanna re-iterate here, all of the wedging issues ben and I had were /with/ checkpoints included. if we apply the rm_checkpoints patch, no longer a problem.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:56]
punkman	just sent a patch to the list, wonder if it'll go through	[22:56]
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danielpbarron	i'm just running that one while i figure the compile out	[22:56]
danielpbarron	i have 2 more units to try other things on	[22:57]
mod6	130k...will stop @ 150 and backup .bitcoin/*	[22:57]
asciilifeform	punkman: looks like not	[22:57]
asciilifeform	punkman: generally works within a few sec. when works	[22:57]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/mtgox-parent-company-tibanne-enters-bankruptcy/	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << pretty sad.	[22:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DyVf2L )	[22:58]
mod6	well, but also, i like i was saying, it's inconsistant. because TomServo has checkpoints included and he got through the gauntlet, and I did as well lastweek before the version patch.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's sent, jurov let me know what i fucked up	[22:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol, yours eaten too	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	i probably didn't do it right.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i posted that earlier today. observe: if the hardseed list were actually used with any frequency, we would have noticed the scarcity of still-usable seeds therein ages ago	[23:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as it is, it's a fallback after dns (snipped in patch i proposed last night) and irc mechanizms.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	except... i kept saying it and saying it since ages ago ?	[23:01]
asciilifeform	i assume mircea_popescu did similar experimet.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	nt	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	always handwaved away by teh power rangers, but hey, you don't end up at the bottom of my shitlist by being responsive and responsible.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	i'm a bit curious how their seed blob is generated	[23:02]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/no-such-labs-teases-future-developments/	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	all the people who act all shocked when gavin & co can't get enough credit to write a hello world in basic fail to recognize about two years of history trying to gently nudge, then educate, then eventually beat the idiots into some sort of shape	[23:03]
asciilifeform	one interesting way would be, resources permitting, a massive ipv4 post scan for 8333...	[23:03]
asciilifeform	*port	[23:03]
asciilifeform	scan	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	what resources do you need ?	[23:03]
punkman	https://www.shodan.io/search?query=port%3A8333	[23:03]
assbot	Shodan ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyW9vY )	[23:03]
mike_c	probably just culled from bitcoin-seeder, no?	[23:03]
punkman	fiddy bucks for shoddan	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	there's only 4bn ips	[23:03]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo dear glub man	[23:03]
asciilifeform	teases, lol	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	So many teases	[23:04]
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mircea_popescu	punkman you got an account ?	[23:04]
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BingoBoingo	;;ud glub	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you actually want to see this done, and have not yet done it?	[23:05]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glub&defid=4862930 \| Tipping a narrow necked bottle of olive oil upside down in an attempt to pour a greater quantity which results in a "glub" sound as air fills the bottle replacing the ...	[23:05]
*	asciilifeform surprised	[23:05]
asciilifeform	ud is wrong	[23:05]
asciilifeform	that's 'glug'	[23:05]
asciilifeform	ask any chemist!	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform can i get some public/private separation here!	[23:05]
asciilifeform	lul	[23:05]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: no	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it needs roughly same resources as a good spamatron	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't really need as much.	[23:06]
decimation	so are there actually isps that filter port 8333 or was that just made up bullshit?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	made up bs.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: i can't speak for the whole planet, but nothing i've used in usa filters incoming except in the sense of -all- incoming being denied by wireless providers	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	i mean, obviously, an idiot will exist for whatever idiocy. pretending that "transsexuals are hot now" is just trannie wet dreamin'.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	outgoing - port 25 typically dropped where i live	[23:07]
asciilifeform	on account of winblows/spam	[23:07]
asciilifeform	actually i must revise above. winblows 445 incoming is often zapped	[23:08]
asciilifeform	on account of idiots/smb	[23:08]
decimation	re: hedge funds & banks manipulating pr << one wonders if they are trying to jawbone bitcoin down in order to buy in, or kill?	[23:08]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan	[23:09]
assbot	robertdavidgraham/masscan · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyX2EU )	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	decimation the two aren't really distinct.	[23:09]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah port 445 is amusing. I remember years ago when you could 'hack' by clicking 'show network neighborhood' on winblows	[23:09]
asciilifeform	decimation: esp. fun on defective WANs like cablemodem	[23:09]
decimation	I wonder if anyone has attempted to hack around with docsis at the physical layer	[23:10]
asciilifeform	decimation: answer's yes	[23:10]
asciilifeform	decimation: i'm aware of work re: 'uncapping' (cheat for bandwidth augment) but also proper pwnage of modems	[23:10]
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asciilifeform	i can't say that i've kept up with the work on the subject	[23:10]
decimation	supposedly traffic on the wire is encrypted	[23:11]
decimation	but I don't know if the spec is open	[23:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: i haven't a clue, but generally a mass-produced gadget in usa -never- used proper public key crypto	[23:11]
decimation	ah is open http://www.cablelabs.com/specs/specification-search/?cat=docsis&scat=docsis-3-1	[23:11]
assbot	CableLabs » Search Specifications Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyXpPL )	[23:11]
asciilifeform	if uses civilized rsa at all, it is with ludicrously shrunken key lengths	[23:12]
decimation	apparently docsis 3.1 uses 2048-bit rsa for the device, 4096 for the root ca	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	that is not bad ?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	aha so ssl-style sc4m	[23:15]
asciilifeform	decimation: i can't be arsed to wade through spec, but didja find who generates key?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	i.e. is it baked in at factory	[23:16]
asciilifeform	or crapped out on powerup	[23:16]
decimation	device key?	[23:16]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:16]
asciilifeform	and, what gets used as the block cipher ?	[23:16]
asciilifeform	(aes? what length)	[23:16]
asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[23:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106657 @ 0.00038332 = 40.8838 BTC [+] {2}	[23:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99203 @ 0.00039021 = 38.71 BTC [+]	[23:18]
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asciilifeform	punkman: i specifically did not mean 'use publicly available site which may or may not actually scan in the way printed on the box, and may or may not censor or otherwise diddle shown results'	[23:21]
asciilifeform	fiddybucks or otherwise	[23:22]
asciilifeform	and once scanned, the logical next step is to query versions	[23:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185750 @ 0.00036981 = 68.6922 BTC [-] {3}	[23:23]
asciilifeform	and, if gargantuan pipes can be had, to query addr lists and then graph wizardry	[23:23]
asciilifeform	(e.g. find clusters, cliques, esp. ones with peculiar behaviour)	[23:24]
asciilifeform	for a less-than-gargantuan pipe, this scales down in the obvious statistical way.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	aws is cheap enough.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	iirc, the latest phoundation edition is able to use ipv6	[23:25]
asciilifeform	but probably safe to ignore these	[23:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not sure if aws will even put out raw packets	[23:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: see the linked 'mass scan' readme.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	(it uses custom tcp stack)	[23:26]
asciilifeform	and prefers to diddle a physical NIC directly, even.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	can also scan the old-fashioned way but then add two or three zeros to time required.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	also it absolutely has to happen from outside usa, for reasons	[23:27]
asciilifeform	(or in usa, but not own box)	[23:27]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/elnathan/status/561822765402324994	[23:28]
assbot	Our thoughts are also with the measles-ravaged country America. I hope we are screening them before they come to Africa.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	lol!	[23:28]
*	BingoBoingo would not be surprised if traveler leaving US get quarentined for "Health Screenings" in the not to distant future.	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	If not already a thing.	[23:29]
Vexual	even if just to check if your dna is the same as when you arrived	[23:30]
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asciilifeform	or what interesting antibodies you've come back with	[23:30]
Vexual	tru dat	[23:30]
asciilifeform	(for non-u.s. folks: the harshest searches are reserved for folks flying -in- at present)	[23:31]
punkman	asciilifeform: question is where to host massscan instance	[23:31]
asciilifeform	punkman: got a 10Gb/s pipe somewhere in asia ?	[23:32]
decimation	asciilifeform: docsis 3.1 uses aes-cbc 128-bit keys	[23:32]
asciilifeform	on physical (specifically not vps) machine	[23:32]
asciilifeform	decimation: ahahaha there we go	[23:32]
asciilifeform	toy crypto - it's not just a bad idea, it's the law! (TM)	[23:32]
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decimation	ah "The CM MUST have two factory installed CM Device Certificates (and their associated private keys). The CM MUST have a CM Device Certificate installed that is issued from the new PKI. The CM MUST have a CM Device Certificate installed that is issued from the legacy PKI. The CM MUST have the same RSA public key in the CM Device Certificate as the RSA public key in the BPKM Attributes depending upon which CM Device Certificate is	[23:33]
decimation	used for authentication. The CM MUST use the CM Device Certificate issued from the new PKI when authenticating with a DOCSIS 3.1 or higher CMTS. The CM is to use the CM Device Certificate issued from the legacy PKI when authenticating with a DOCSIS 3.0 or older version of DOCSIS CMTS."	[23:33]
decimation	CM = "Cable Modem"	[23:34]
asciilifeform	-and- device keys generated in factory!	[23:34]
punkman	btw the patch that got lost in the tubes: http://dpaste.com/2EG2F1K.txt	[23:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz1zav )	[23:34]
punkman	removes cpumining functions	[23:34]
asciilifeform	punkman: lemme guess, snipped miner	[23:34]
asciilifeform	punkman: i actually must confess that i disagree	[23:34]
decimation	don't worry little consumer, your device uses 'military grade crypto'	[23:34]
asciilifeform	this is, recall, a -reference- implementation	[23:34]
decimation	we'll keep the keys though thanks	[23:34]
asciilifeform	punkman: hence ought to contain an example of miner.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	even if it is worthless in practice	[23:35]
decimation	lol "The CM MUST be able to process certificate serial number values containing 20 octets or fewer. The CM MUST accept certificates that have serial numbers that are negative or zero."	[23:35]
asciilifeform	but idea being, if dropped on alpha centauri with the RI, ought to be able to start using bitcoin immediately	[23:35]
asciilifeform	this means miner is in.	[23:35]
Vexual	japanese torrentboxes are abundant	[23:35]
decimation	asciilifeform: surely the miner need not be part of the same binary turdball?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	Vexual: has to be a physical box	[23:36]
asciilifeform	decimation: sure, can be outside	[23:36]
Vexual	im sure they are	[23:36]
asciilifeform	decimation: but imho it is unwise to throw away satoshi's miner so lightly	[23:36]
decimation	aye, the cpu mining code can come with	[23:36]
asciilifeform	satoshi's miner is valuable for the same reason as the rest of that piece of shit	[23:37]
punkman	asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure it should be removed, the foundation shall decide. it was good for practice anyway	[23:37]
asciilifeform	i.e. it was written before bitcoin was valuable.	[23:37]
decimation	asciilifeform: in general, docsis is a "reference implementation" of usg crypto, complete with fips standards etc.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	decimation: surprised ?	[23:37]
Vexual	if youre making a node box, youd better have somewhere to plug in a miner	[23:37]
decimation	well, the amusing part is the key escrow	[23:37]
asciilifeform	Vexual: well, 'Get Work'	[23:38]
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asciilifeform	decimation: the funny part isn't any of this, but that wtf is the point, isp has plaintext of your packets necessarily, anyway	[23:39]
asciilifeform	the escrow can have -only one- purpose - to let nice folks at usg forge packets as 'provably' from your house.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	!s toilet tank	[23:40]
assbot	9 results for 'toilet tank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=toilet+tank	[23:40]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah presumably if they wanted the packets they would just squeeze the ip stack at the isp	[23:40]
asciilifeform	ergo it is for -writing- not reading.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	reading - already trivial	[23:40]
decimation	well, there's another agenda here too	[23:40]
decimation	cable companies don't want mickey mouse crypto to cause some kind of pr incident	[23:41]
asciilifeform	there is also the matter of guaranteeing that the equipment cannot be repurposed for any sane use	[23:41]
asciilifeform	e.g., abroad	[23:41]
decimation	your traffic is for the eyes of those who are authorized to have it	[23:41]
asciilifeform	^ that comes from isp tap, no need for diddled modems	[23:41]
decimation	aye. but the problem with this system is that they have put all their eggs in the manufacturer's basket	[23:42]
decimation	who keeps that keylist?	[23:42]
asciilifeform	there's another aspect, also	[23:42]
asciilifeform	there is a tradition in usa of 'deniable' snooping	[23:42]
asciilifeform	where the tap is placed surprisingly close downstream to the 'last mile'	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/heartbleed-in-rust << implied lolz	[23:43]
assbot	heartbleed in rust	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	can also scan the old-fashioned way but then add two or three zeros to time required. << yes, but cheap enough :)	[23:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: i wonder if the device keys have even been 'phuctored' ever.	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that a scan taking >year is worth much	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	eh fuck em, cloud speeds double every half year.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	trivial on this basis to show it will be < 1 year	[23:47]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	no matter what other numbers are involved.	[23:47]
*	assbot removes voice from Vexual	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	don't lol mr, my work on this topic has been reviewed by internet csseconomists and other lolexperts. plus oleg leganza.	[23:48]
asciilifeform	decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813119 << old thread, relevant	[23:49]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2014 03:56:01; asciilifeform: there is also the tired, old, mundane 'there is a kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem.	[23:49]
asciilifeform	there is a whole not-very-well-hidden world of what one might call 'cardinal richelieu' ('...six words of the honest man!') infrastructure, waiting for command from usg to send 'd34th thr34tz!!!1111!!!' to some crowned head that are Provably!111! from your house, when the time comes	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	kinda why one should not waste time.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[23:54]
*	assbot gives voice to Vexual	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	send'em while you still can.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	oh it'll send by itself, lol	[23:54]
asciilifeform	with finest grammar, from content farms in philippines	[23:54]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/ubs-groups-cio-wants-to-throw-bitcoin-under-the-buss/	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform check out this funny happenstance : once bb dropped the philippines bomb ? 20 mb thread suddenly of no further interest, off first page etc.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	the best part of tradecraft is that it is so god damned hard to do well.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	see also the reddit incident	[23:56]
asciilifeform	same deal, no?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	it's just this font of lulz, like, hm... quintessentially american to me.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	lemme dig up that woman.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/ << julia a moore.	[23:57]
assbot	Literara este grea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz528X )	[23:57]
*	asciilifeform wonders whether, if mircea_popescu offered a bounty, one of the flunkies would walk in with 'smoking gun' dirt	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	this was a simple woman who couldn't write, that infatuated herself with the notion that she can produce poetry	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	was a great amusement for a little bit	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	but she persevered. the exact manners in which she persevered are, to me, the best summary of the american spirit that can be had.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	i was expecting a reference to the maths girl	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	a) claimed that the poor arrangement / band / etc were the reason people "didn't like" her 2nd performance.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	the move from "laughed their ass at me" to "didn't like" ? blaming the band ? here : http://trilema.com/2015/have-some-chocolate-cake/#comment-111925	[23:58]
assbot	Have some chocolate cake. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dz5gge )	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	but then, for it doesn't end there! then she confronted teh comedy goldminers by saying that "they each paid a quarter to see a fool, but she's been paid 50 bux and sees a roomfull of fools"	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	right ? TOTALLY TURNED IT ON THEM WITH HER WITS	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	but then!!11 for it has a c. then her husband , who you know, was hoping to be able to enjoy a drink in a bar without being laughed into the ground sometime before he dies completely forbade any further writings	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	under pain of beatings and so forth.	[23:59]

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