Forum logs for 01 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
danielpbarron onewhosits, out of curiousity: did you verify the gpg signature on the tails installer? [00:00]
pete_dushenski whoa what's with the chernobyl theme over at ? [00:02]
onewhosits Good info friends. I'm currently using my home ip so im good. interesting though [00:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53562 @ 0.00038117 = 20.4162 BTC [+] [00:03]
onewhosits danielpbarron. No, actually i didn't. Should've. Is there a common problem with modified tailos installs? [00:04]
danielpbarron onewhosits, idk -- it doesn't matter anyway; the tails guys aren't in the WoT [00:04]
danielpbarron i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it [00:05]
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decimation the LXR 'concordance' is pretty neat, it would be cool if it were possible to create that without webserver turd [00:07]
onewhosits danielpbarrn ahh. nah ive been using the distro for some time [00:08]
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decimation asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows << except agilent comes with windows [00:11]
decimation cheap stuff doesn't [00:11]
asciilifeform the agilent boxes -run- winblows [00:12]
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decimation aye [00:12]
asciilifeform as in, there's an x86 box in there. [00:12]
mats [00:12]
assbot Lazy Cat Doesn't Get Up to Drink Water - YouTube ... ( ) [00:12]
decimation why did hp ditch hp-ux [00:12]
mats happy caturday. [00:12]
asciilifeform decimation: died with pa-risc, mostly [00:13]
* asciilifeform threw out his pa-risc box last may [00:13]
* asciilifeform couldn't be arsed to load it into the truck [00:13]
decimation hp was lowered in pederastry after years of fucktarded management - mainly after hewlitt and packard died [00:13]
asciilifeform well-known [00:13]
asciilifeform playing for a captive audience makes people, organizations, retarded [00:14]
asciilifeform no exceptions. [00:14]
decimation yes, that era forms the mud-layer upon which modern silly-con valley is built [00:14]
decimation asciilifeform: that's probably a good explanation for why high-end engineering software comes only on winblows [00:15]
decimation that and, the only proprietary hardware unix vendor left is... apple [00:16]
asciilifeform decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while [00:16]
BingoBoingo decimation: Similar to how when the Western Roman empire fell, concrete was forgotten for quite some time, because no volcanic ash in coldistan [00:16]
decimation decimation: sun have been lowered into oracle or that turd 'joylent' that was discussed awhile ago [00:16]
decimation BingoBoingo: aye, it is my understanding that even to this day the exact recipe for 'roman concrete' is still not completely known [00:17]
BingoBoingo decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while << Sun alway though lacked the introspection necessary to realize things like... A bench might be a better place to assemble machines than the floor. [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00037689 = 4.6923 BTC [-] [00:17]
decimation they built aqua-ducts that lasted 2000 years - I'm not betting that 'portland cement' will last as long [00:18]
scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [00:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: point is that, not so many years ago, one could get the 'high end' stuff on solaris. [00:18]
BingoBoingo Yeah [00:18]
decimation yes, warez vendors targeted solaris as a platform, like cadence, adobe, etc [00:18]
asciilifeform even something like dec openvms was supported [00:18]
asciilifeform microshit quietly massacred the commercial unixen while no one was looking [00:19]
decimation actually this is a perfect example of how 'drowning in idiots' can ruin an industry [00:19]
asciilifeform (nothing in the industry happened, in those days, except in the shadow of microshit. just as very little happens in the solar system that is not in some major way affected by jupiter.) [00:19]
decimation suddenly everyone who could use windows was a 'computer expert', so people who used computers to compute became 'dinosaurs' or 'weird' [00:20]
asciilifeform this didn't affect the 'workstation' folks, until it did. [00:20]
asciilifeform this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux [00:21]
asciilifeform because it was the first unixlike which couldn't be nudged out of existence this way [00:21]
decimation aye. once 'management' decided that windows was the answer, the nerds at the bottom had no chance [00:21]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: davout no, roast as in << watching this now. it's a riot! [00:24]
assbot Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( ) [00:24]
decimation asciilifeform: do you have a source for little wires with single pin 'female header' connectors? [00:25]
asciilifeform decimation: [00:26]
assbot 40pcs Female to Female 2.54mm 0.1 in Jumper Wires F/F (40pcs): Computers & Accessories ... ( ) [00:26]
asciilifeform or just about anywhere else [00:26]
asciilifeform check your favourite supplier [00:27]
asciilifeform these are ubiquitous [00:27]
decimation ah. thanks. the problem mainly is figuring out how to describe what you want [00:27]
asciilifeform snip'em in half. [00:31]
decimation aye [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00037349 = 16.6203 BTC [-] {2} [00:41]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: equating 'litecoin' with other sc4mc01nz is a mistake. it was a genuine, if misguided, attempt at something genuinely else [01:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00035681 = 16.5381 BTC [-] [01:01]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: (the whole 'asic resistance' thing) [01:01]
asciilifeform this is re: the qntra article. [01:02]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cazalla's text. But... certain people who birthed it still promote it as an alternative that still solves a problem. [01:02]
asciilifeform somebody still promotes it?! [01:02]
danielpbarron i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts [01:04]
asciilifeform it is interesting to contemplate why no one (afaik) suggested a third workfunction [01:05]
asciilifeform if you want 'asic resistance', my hypothetical 'lifecoin' is probably as good as it gets [01:05]
asciilifeform !s lifecoin [01:05]
assbot 1 results for 'lifecoin' : [01:05]
mats hm, bitbet has graduated to being a sextuple reverse fractional reserve if my computation is correct [01:05]
cazalla asciilifeform, coblee admits his silver analogy doesn't make sense but continues with it anyway.. doesn't sound genuine to me at all [01:05]
cazalla and nobody has moved the goal posts as much as those idiots.. gpu resistant, asic resistant, it's faster etc etc [01:06]
asciilifeform if it -only- had the scrypt thing, and none of the other crackpotteries, might have went further. [01:06]
asciilifeform or at least, died a less pathetic death [01:06]
asciilifeform for those who weren't tuned in a year ago, [01:07]
mats its still fluctuating around 1%, so perhaps it may live on yet [01:07]
asciilifeform i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata [01:07]
mats 1% BTCLTC, anyway [01:07]
asciilifeform with larger and larger quantity of ram required as difficulty grows [01:08]
asciilifeform this would have the side effect of encouraging the construction of machines which are not entirely useless for other extravagant computing projects [01:08]
cazalla so no, i don't buy that litecoin was anything more than the creation of your stereotypical chink who knocks shit off [01:08]
asciilifeform (but at the same time still requiring construction of new machines) [01:09]
asciilifeform cazalla: knocked off but replaced a fairly sensitive part. [01:09]
pete_dushenski litecoin is like a tesla with a gas engine really [01:11]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the way i understand, it was mainly intended to banish asic, but for some reason known only to the author, did not really try in earnest [01:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00035681 = 27.0462 BTC [-] [01:12]
pete_dushenski or like a race horse with the heart of a giant gerbil [01:12]
asciilifeform (see 'lifecoin' for example of algorithm that actually requires increasing physical space as difficulty grows) [01:13]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: because he's american ? [01:13]
* asciilifeform knows nothing whatsoever about author of 'litecoin' [01:13]
pete_dushenski ;;google charles lee litecoin [01:13]
gribble Litecoin founder Charles Lee on the origins of the cryptocurrency: ; Litecoin creator Charles Lee has left Google to work at Coinbase: ; Ex-Googler Gives the (1 more message) [01:13]
danielpbarron heh "google charles lee" [01:14]
pete_dushenski google employee [01:14]
pete_dushenski a la hearn [01:14]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: lol [01:14]
asciilifeform the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic. [01:14]
danielpbarron "no, charles lee googles you!" [01:14]
asciilifeform but did not do this, because could not steal enough. [01:14]
asciilifeform or sumthinglikethat [01:14]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the cynical answer could also be that he's a bad actor who tried to detract energies away from bitcoin at a pivotal moment [01:15]
asciilifeform or that [01:15]
pete_dushenski iirc litecoin was a 2011 thing [01:15]
asciilifeform but normally those are not merely malicious idiots, but avaricious malicious idiots [01:15]
asciilifeform by all rights he should have attempted the asic [01:16]
asciilifeform rather than waiting for the chinese [01:16]
pete_dushenski if he had the skillz [01:16]
pete_dushenski it's not clear that he did/does [01:16]
pete_dushenski or mebbe charles lee is a chinese mole! [01:16]
cazalla he is malicious because he contains to appear at conferences to tell people how a coin is all about the marketing regardless of whether what you say is factual or not. he's just the first iteration of garza [01:16]
asciilifeform i can't honestly say that i care very much why. [01:16]
asciilifeform it's dead. [01:16]
pete_dushenski cazalla: pumpers gotta pump and all that [01:17]
asciilifeform the original point of my objection to the qntra piece was that, afaik, 'litecoin' was different from every other altcoin in the sense that it was not simply an existing source tree with a dozen constants changed. [01:18]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: at least litecoin didn't have a phoundation crudding it up to its gills over a period of years [01:18]
cazalla asciilifeform, i'm pretty sure every altcoin always launches with the idea of being different to every other altcoin [01:18]
asciilifeform idea. [01:18]
asciilifeform but not practice. [01:18]
cazalla pete_dushenski, it has had one for the last year along with a * forum.. it's pretty much the blue print for altcoins at this point, launch your, have a foundation and premine under the guise the foundation will use the coins in some fund to spread adoption [01:20]
asciilifeform i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz [01:20]
asciilifeform but initially there was a vaguely-plausible reason for thinking people to go 'hmm' when reading about litecoin. [01:21]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: best electric tranny is ICE powered. [01:21]
cazalla of course, which is why i got into it to begin with but in hindsight, just sour grapes at missing cheaper bitcoin [01:21]
asciilifeform at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2 [01:22]
BingoBoingo the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic << There was drama about a collaborator of his GPU mining this GPU unminable coin from the start [01:22]
asciilifeform (if that seems like a 'martian' concept, look up 'satcoin') [01:22]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i did not know this, but it isn't very surprising. [01:22]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners [01:23]
pete_dushenski cazalla: a, a newer thing then, another "but it worked for the us" scenario [01:23]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: even tesla's have to get leccy from somewhere [01:24]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: and what was that miata bit? is this your dream car or.. ? [01:24]
cazalla BingoBoingo, i've heard that as well and i suspect he used his brother's exchange to offload his early coins to chinese suckers, that's what that whole bitcoin/litecoin brothers reunited bullshit was about, the fucking gall of that guy [01:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00035373 = 7.5521 BTC [-] {2} [01:26]
cazalla no proof of course but i wouldn't put it past a guy to do that.. a guy that is willing to get up in front of a room and admit what he says isn't true but that it's OK because "marketing" [01:26]
pete_dushenski and now lee is presumably sipping mai tais somewhere because i swear he hasn't made a peep in 12 months [01:30]
cazalla still a coinbase despite telling the faithful that coinbase will add litecoin and that he'll leave if they don't [01:31]
mats asciilifeform: << can you evaluate this self-professed tRNG gadget? [01:31]
assbot Infinite Noise true random number generator from WaywardGeek on Tindie ... ( ) [01:31]
mats based on the description, anyway. [01:31]
decimation here's the schematic [01:33]
pete_dushenski cazalla: soon u guise! [01:33]
decimation [01:33]
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mats mircea_popescu: would you consider records and other business documents (e.g. tax filings) within the scope of the courts-circus parameters? [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00035275 = 6.6141 BTC [-] [01:45]
mats er, not tax filings, but financial documents -- also, what about electronic storage devices? [01:45]
pete_dushenski true renewable sources of energy–wind, solar, and biomass–may be much less adversely affected by the plunge in oil prices than is widely believed << because reasons [02:11]
pete_dushenski 1. First, oil is used primarily for transportation and not to produce electricity, whereas renewables play an increasing role in producing electricity. In other words, oil and renewables are not direct competitors. [02:12]
pete_dushenski 2. Second, over the longer run, because of continuing technological improvements, the prices of renewables, especially solar power, are likely to drop much faster than is the case for commodity-based fuels such as oil. The prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets (especially fo [02:12]
pete_dushenski r fuels that are just inputs into generation of electricity). [02:12]
pete_dushenski because in greenlandia, deep liquid markets are more volatile than thin illiquid ones [02:13]
pete_dushenski ok scratch that, liquidity should increase volatility in the short-term but illiquid markets have larger fat tails [02:14]
pete_dushenski as with bitcoin: stable, stable, stable, kaboom! [02:15]
pete_dushenski ^being relatively illiquid [02:15]
pete_dushenski in any event, the "green is fine u guise" construction is hollow [02:16]
pete_dushenski cheap "non-renewables" badly cramp its style [02:16]
asciilifeform mats: the basic principle of the linked rng is very similar to mine. (fella stayed awake in school.) but the similarities stop there. [02:20]
asciilifeform mats: no attempt is made to isolate pc 5v power from rng; [02:21]
asciilifeform mats: i see no evidence of shield, or provisions for one [02:21]
asciilifeform mats: debiasing is presumably performed on pc end [02:21]
asciilifeform mats: but all of these things considered, it is probably the least terrifyingly bad trng i've seen so far on the post-snowden market [02:22]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 217.33, vol: 19527.50108951 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 212.142, vol: 10128.11134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 215.4, vol: 52043.73376975 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 213.44, vol: 181080.57010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 216.14762, vol: 14.31813754 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 221.186, vol: 105.51734265 | Volume-weighted last average: 214.070192738 [02:29]
BingoBoingo Who is this [02:30]
assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( ) [02:30]
pete_dushenski good question [02:31]
pete_dushenski zesty fellow, whoever he is [02:31]
pete_dushenski I would recommend you sell your bitcoins and buy your alts you were just pumping , because holding onto MPcoin won't be wise. At least with litecoin and peercoin you will lose your investments at a slower pace. [02:34]
pete_dushenski from [02:34]
assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( ) [02:34]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah ultimately the 'infinite noise' guy's circuit is still vulnerable to rf noise in the right band [02:36]
decimation pete_dushenski: lol "our scam will suck you dry slowly" [02:38]
pete_dushenski best scams take years and years and years [02:41]
decimation aye, one can't keep a chumpatron going if it kills the chumps [02:41]
pete_dushenski that's the beauty of car leasing [02:42]
pete_dushenski you never notice the depreciation whack because "only monthly payment matters" [02:42]
pete_dushenski and rentiers roll one into the next into the next [02:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00035275 = 15.8208 BTC [-] [02:45]
decimation yeah it's hard to 'enjoy' paying nothing for a car if you never do it [02:45]
* decimation pays nothing for his cars (other than maintenance and gas) and enoys it [02:48]
pete_dushenski it's not clear to me that people enjoy paying for things with the aim of ownership [02:48]
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pete_dushenski that's not the sharing economy way [02:49]
pete_dushenski decimation: me too :D [02:49]
pete_dushenski burn the depreciation witch! [02:49]
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decimation I'm considering purchasing some real estate [02:55]
decimation bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation' [02:56]
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asciilifeform decimation: forget rf noise even, the harmonics from usb clock. [03:01]
decimation yeah I'm pretty sure he's built a half-ass 'sigma-delta' adc [03:03]
asciilifeform no, the rng part is a reasonable, traditional scheme [03:03]
asciilifeform [03:04]
asciilifeform ^ more detail [03:04]
assbot waywardgeek/infnoise · GitHub ... ( ) [03:05]
decimation he is definitely running a 'sampling' system [03:05]
asciilifeform ultimately any interface between analogue and digital 'worlds' is a sampling system [03:06]
decimation indeed. thus, subject to nyquist [03:07]
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phillipsjk mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs predicts that people will largely ignore trying to gain Esteem while being pre-occupied with finding food, shelter and companionship. ( ) [03:08]
assbot Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs | Simply Psychology ... ( ) [03:08]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: are you aware that said device is a fiction ? [03:08]
asciilifeform as in, herr m. pulled it directly out of his arse [03:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.000354 = 9.4872 BTC [+] [03:09]
asciilifeform and its applicability to actual people is, charitably - debatable [03:09]
phillipsjk Of course, that hiearchy is not rigid in real life. Anarcho-socialists may simply skip gaining status, instead prioritizing "8. Transcendence needs - helping others to achieve self actualization." [03:10]
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phillipsjk so in a word yes, I know the fixed hierarchy is largely fiction. [03:11]
asciilifeform or, say, human bomb in iraq. which 'level' of pyramid do his desired 40 virgins satisfy? [03:11]
decimation phillipsjk: do you think mental illness is something that is fundamentally biological? or do you think that the mentally ill could 'shake it off' and choose not to? [03:11]
BingoBoingo Cripple fight: [03:13]
assbot Coin Fire Allegations About PayBase Are False ... ( ) [03:13]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: if you know it to be a fiction, why do you bring it up as an argument [03:13]
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phillipsjk Sometimes I think mental illness is a rational response to life events. [03:13]
decimation is 'unintelligence' also something one can 'shake off' and overcome, just by trying hard enough? [03:13]
phillipsjk I accept that some people are smarter than others. That does not automatically imply that the goal of all smart people is to gain wealth and status. [03:15]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, it nicely illustrates that there are priorities other than wealth/status. [03:15]
pete_dushenski phillipsjk: merely that less smart people have the deck stacked against them in their pursuit of anything [03:15]
pete_dushenski be it wealth or otherwise [03:15]
decimation phillipsjk: just because 'some choose not to pursue wealth', it doesn't follow that the wealthy are not intelligent [03:17]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: without weighing in on the statement, i'd like to point out that you should have gone straight to 'there are priorities other than wealth/status', rather than trying to bolster the argument with 'proof by authority' using the authority of a fellow who pulled it all out of his arse [03:18]
asciilifeform (maslow) [03:18]
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asciilifeform this may sound odd and pedantic, but keeping your brain clean is like washing your body [03:18]
decimation but asciilifeform, tenured professors teach maslow in school! [03:19]
asciilifeform if you don't, don't expect to be welcome among folks who do [03:19]
phillipsjk good point. [03:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00035275 = 6.9492 BTC [-] [03:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00035467 = 8.2283 BTC [+] {2} [03:28]
phillipsjk I also wanted to comment that behavior that seem stupid from the outside is sometimes completely rational. Quoting MP: 'last time we diagnosed [the DDOS bot] it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"' (as an example) [03:28]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 15:12:13; mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. [03:28]
phillipsjk The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet. [03:30]
phillipsjk Exposing UPnP to the internet defies all common sense. Add to that, many of the Pwnt routers appear to be in China, I am going to call it a deliberate back-door on the part of the manufacturer. [03:32]
phillipsjk There is even evidence this is required by law in China: [03:33]
assbot China’s New Rules for Selling Tech to Banks Have US Companies Spooked - SoylentNews ... ( ) [03:33]
phillipsjk "Technology companies that want to sell equipment to Chinese banks will have to submit to extensive audits, turn over source code, and build “back doors” into their hardware and software, according to a copy of the rules obtained by foreign companies already doing billions of dollar worth of business in the country. The new rules were laid out in a 22-page document from Beijing, and are presumably being put in place so that the Chin [03:34]
phillipsjk ese government can peek into computer banking systems." [03:34]
phillipsjk Incidentally, leaving the back-door open to the public gives the Chinese Government plausible deniability if they decide to attack this humble channel. [03:35]
asciilifeform jurov: please check turdatron. [03:36]
asciilifeform jurov: it ate another message of mine. [03:36]
asciilifeform jurov: for no discernible reason. [03:36]
asciilifeform jurov: so far i've managed perhaps 2 messages in, out of five times this many attempts. [03:37]
asciilifeform jurov: if you are using a demented dwarf with abacus instead of a computer, please fire him and replace with an actual machine. [03:37]
phillipsjk That reminds me, I noticed the logs have comments from "noisy" people trimmed. [03:38]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: who, and where? [03:38]
phillipsjk Oh maybe I did not search back far enough, Was referring to this: [03:40]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; mircea_popescu: !rated felipelalli [03:40]
phillipsjk [03:40]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk.. [03:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, mod6, danielpbarron: if any of you wanted armv5 binaries to play with, ask jurov, they're in his dust bin, where turdatron dumped them despite valid sigatures. [03:42]
phillipsjk yes I found relevant text on the log from the 21st. [03:42]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: the amplification attack you found in your packet captures (we discussed it here about a month ago) is a pure ddos vector [03:43]
asciilifeform that is, of absolutely no use for taking control of a machine in the usual sense [03:43]
asciilifeform even using it as described, for ddos, requires the thing to be hooked up to an isp which happily routes packets with forged ip [03:44]
phillipsjk I am not sure it was a true amplification. I suspect it was a flase positive because the addresses ended in .255 [03:44]
asciilifeform it's an amplification, by definition (attacker sends N bytes, victims receive k*N for some positive k) [03:44]
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phillipsjk All 3 addresses I mentioned were from /16 netblocks. [03:44]
* phillipsjk thinks we are talking past each other. [03:45]
ben_vulpes << anyone know of a tidier way to reboot bitcoind? [03:46]
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phillipsjk My router reported a "smurf" attack, but I think it is a mis-diagnosis. [03:46]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'killall' ? [03:47]
punkman phillipsjk: that's usual background noise [03:47]
ben_vulpes << actually just shutting someone up temporarily [03:47]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk.. [03:47]
ben_vulpes not trimmed from the logs, but prevented from speaking during a roasting. [03:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're such a hater :D [03:47]
mircea_popescu almost as bad as jurov [03:47]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: thing is, i want it to shut down cleanly and reboot shortly after it exits cleanly. [03:47]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: talk to kakobrekla, he will give you a place to drop the dumps, if you believe that you have discovered something peculiar therein [03:48]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: it will be easier to explain just what it was, if i & the rest can view them at our leisure in 'wireshark' [03:48]
phillipsjk I did not look too closely, but saw UDP fragment flood with some ICMP messages (to try to track my connectivity?). [03:49]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i've already lost days to shutting the thing down forcefully, i'm determined to not waste any more time with things that can be automated. [03:49]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo << holy shit that first quote man. [03:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:49]
assbot Let's make it one giant puzzle! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [03:49]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the simplest way is to run it inside the loop [03:49]
mircea_popescu [03:51]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as for killing, if you feed it a SIGTERM, it should die with decorum [03:51]
ben_vulpes gotcha, thanks asciilifeform [03:53]
ben_vulpes i wanted it running in the context of cron, so i'll probably have to do some shooping of stuff around. [03:54]
decimation phillipsjk: would you be willing to upload a sample of your ddos captures? [03:56]
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phillipsjk decimation, sure. Would have to be tomorrow though. Would like 50MB be enough? (Ie: before I switched out the 10Mbps hub) [03:58]
decimation sure [03:58]
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decimation post a link on the channel so folks can browse it [03:59]
phillipsjk I think this counts as "tradition": [03:59]
assbot HYSTERIA | CONSENT ... ( ) [03:59]
* phillipsjk would have to check how much space his web-host allows him to use. [04:00]
mircea_popescu it can't be less than 50mb ?! [04:00]
phillipsjk I can probably make it any size you want. [04:01]
mircea_popescu cazalla nice month yo. [04:01]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it << you know the answer to that q. [04:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux << quite. [04:06]
mircea_popescu in other news, one doesn't hate you for the things about you that make you great, one hates you for the things about you that make his shit no longer work. [04:07]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: << watching this now. it's a riot! << dun tell me you found out about either that famous jew or that celebrated mode of civilised passtime on b-a! [04:08]
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pete_dushenski the mode i knew [04:08]
punkman ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you [04:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: somebody still promotes it?! << defo. [04:09]
pete_dushenski that sammy was a converted member of the tribe, i did not [04:09]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski rickles is easily one of the greatest comedians who ever lived [04:09]
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mircea_popescu with carson and carlin and so on [04:09]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts << and yet [04:10]
assbot BitBet - LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March :: 1.09 B (59%) on Yes, 0.75 B (41%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 46`041 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [04:10]
pete_dushenski lol i was already laughed out by the time he took the microphone [04:10]
punkman I'm gonna try to setup turdatronic bitcoind on VPS. Is there an easy way to monitor and log IO for just the bitcoind process? [04:10]
pete_dushenski punkman: i spent the last week trying to do the same [04:11]
pete_dushenski 0.9.3 was too much for my vps [04:11]
pete_dushenski 512 mb [04:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata << i recall our discussing this, in the very logs! years ago! [04:12]
asciilifeform [04:13]
assbot Logged on 29-03-2014 02:11:03; asciilifeform: proposed algo, for those who insist: [04:13]
asciilifeform thread ^ a while ago, yes. [04:13]
mircea_popescu i thought it was much much longer ago than fucken march last. [04:14]
asciilifeform possibly first mention of this was even earlier [04:14]
mircea_popescu this is like... b-a logs are so substantial they dilate the perception of time. [04:14]
asciilifeform aha! [04:14]
mircea_popescu just... so many ideas, it's like reading 3 centuries worth of old gray lady. [04:15]
asciilifeform i feel like i spent at least a decade. [04:15]
punkman mircea_popescu: going by log height #590953 to #1001132 (now), it's a lot of time [04:15]
mircea_popescu and then we give nooby kids with undegrad "business" and "governance" degrees a hard time for their self-reported "experience" [04:15]
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mircea_popescu punkman also a good point [04:16]
punkman look at that, almost doubled log lines betwwen 3/2014 and now [04:16]
mircea_popescu we're lucky that gavin doubled storage space. [04:16]
phillipsjk night all [04:17]
danielpbarron are cellular automata easy to verify? I mean, work backwards to the start point [04:17]
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mircea_popescu cazalla: he's just the first iteration of garza <<< this angle i can definitely see. [04:18]
ben_vulpes danielpbarron: it's deterministic, if that's what you're asking. [04:18]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron depends hwat you mean by easy. [04:18]
danielpbarron easier than the reverse [04:18]
mircea_popescu about as easy to go either way, towards past or future [04:18]
mircea_popescu they;'re not unidirectional sort of problerms like the factorisation problem is. [04:19]
asciilifeform the usual term of art is 'trap door' [04:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz << know teh seinfeld effect ? [04:20]
asciilifeform hm? [04:20]
mircea_popescu There are certain shows that you can safely assume most people have seen. These shows were considered fantastic when they first aired. Now, however, these shows have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone". [04:20]
mircea_popescu The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it. But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that show's genre. They ended up being taken for granted, copied and endlessly repeated. Although they often began by saying something new, they in turn became the status quo. [04:20]
asciilifeform the films copying a classic one and the classic consequently seeming derivative tripe - thing ? [04:20]
asciilifeform aha that [04:20]
mircea_popescu yup [04:20]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2 << on this we agree. meanwhile that problem seems to have navigated away [04:21]
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mircea_popescu by means of other problems having scoped in [04:21]
TheNewDeal ;;later tell TomServo I'm around town tomorrow if you'd like to meet up. [04:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:22]
punkman oh sweet found what I was looking for [04:22]
assbot scaidermern/audria · GitHub ... ( ) [04:22]
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TheNewDeal ;;nethash [04:22]
gribble 328795984.186 [04:22]
TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [04:22]
gribble Current Blocks: 341443 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1276 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45598132528.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.47966 [04:22]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners << who was this again ? [04:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I believe it was Artforz [04:23]
mircea_popescu no ?! he mined ltc too ? [04:23]
BingoBoingo If I recall correctly he was a "dev" back in ancient times [04:23]
BingoBoingo Not sure if substantiated or not. [04:23]
mircea_popescu dev of ltc ? [04:24]
BingoBoingo Did I get all of the quotes right on the puzzle? [04:24]
mircea_popescu well "About" isn't a source eh ? [04:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think he was if my memory works, but... confirming involves wading way deep into the bitcointalk altcoin section [04:24]
BingoBoingo Ah, I'll source the Something Awful ones when I find a working login. 2 and 4 though. From the same post on the Butterfly Labs forum. [04:26]
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mircea_popescu yeh [04:27]
asciilifeform << had no idea anybody still did this. [04:28]
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decimation asciilifeform: is that 'potting' material? [04:29]
asciilifeform << same, sans shitburial [04:29]
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BingoBoingo << Ancient Neobee history [04:29]
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mircea_popescu mats "private persons" in II excludes corporations. but otherwise, anything that one communicated to another is fair game. [04:30]
mircea_popescu i dunno how this'd practically be stuff like tax filings, court can and does ask the irs for that. [04:30]
mircea_popescu mebbe i don't understand so well what you're asking [04:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo uh wtf is that! [04:31]
mircea_popescu i don't even ?! [04:31]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think it was some sort of Pro-Brewster agitprop [04:32]
mircea_popescu i tell you, blond inch tall figurines drawn on a EGA screen waving about swords are no basis for a financial system. [04:32]
mircea_popescu supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the wot, not some farcical fencing ceremony... [04:33]
* asciilifeform fondly remembers 'monkey island' [04:33]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski seriously, someone argued that "he prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets" ? [04:34]
asciilifeform where the scene is from [04:34]
mircea_popescu how do they make them this dumb ? [04:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform brick and mortar island! [04:34]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i'm guessing that they go to special schools [04:35]
mircea_popescu what, princeton ? [04:35]
pete_dushenski it must take years, if not decades of training to chock one's brain full of such crud [04:35]
punkman princeton: [04:35]
assbot Nine awesome Bitcoin projects at Princeton ... ( ) [04:36]
mircea_popescu lol @Gav1nFucksGoats [04:36]
pete_dushenski Robert Litan is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “Trillion Dollar Economists.” [04:37]
pete_dushenski ^said market speshulist [04:37]
TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal [04:38]
* assbot has kicked TheNewDeal from #bitcoin-assets (Bye.) [04:38]
pete_dushenski << guy looks barely bright enough to tie shoelaces [04:38]
assbot Robert Litan (@BobLitan) | Twitter ... ( ) [04:38]
mircea_popescu lmaop that forum [04:39]
mircea_popescu "This is misinformation and you are confusing people. [04:39]
mircea_popescu That number isn't true as it assumes we will immediately be processing 84k transactions per block which isn't going to happen." [04:39]
mircea_popescu YOU ARE CONFUSING PEOPLE!! the problem we are solving is not a problem which is why it should be solved!!!1 [04:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu and anyone else waiting for s.nsa broadcast - it will appear shortly after i get a little sleep now. can't believe i blew a whole saturday on the pocket node thing. [04:39]
mircea_popescu srsly, this stupid ? also princeton ? [04:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tomorrow'll be fine, but yes, now is the time on sprockets where you let the little guys fuck by themselves a while. [04:39]
mircea_popescu also there, " Bitcoin can be so complicated at times that even I have problems getting all the facts." [04:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al: the tips i've given re: controlling memory fandango had better suffice. i'll post a buildroot for the pogo some time this week, but unfortunately i do not have time to do the whole thing personally [04:40]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benjamindees seven billion people have no savings. [04:41]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:41]
mircea_popescu everyone has savings, and they save in gold ? wtf is this bs. [04:42]
asciilifeform [04:43]
asciilifeform ^ what turdatron threw into the sun [04:43]
asciilifeform docs inside. [04:43]
fluffypony lol [04:44]
mircea_popescu decimation: bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation' <<< if you can take an immense loan denominated in usd and at a fixed rate, to purchase anything tangible you should do so right now. [04:44]
pete_dushenski fixed rate being the key here [04:45]
pete_dushenski 5+ if they'll take it [04:45]
pete_dushenski years, that is [04:45]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs <<< reed the correct one : [04:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:45]
assbot That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [04:45]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell phillipsjk you can't reason on any topic on the rotten basis of socialist propaganda. [04:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:45]
asciilifeform blockheight 214288 (bastard node.) [04:46]
pete_dushenski 5 seems to be the norm, not sure how hard it is to get a longer fixed rate term [04:46]
* asciilifeform now can go to bed [04:46]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski what 5 ? 0.2% baby. [04:46]
mircea_popescu what is this, fucking retail ? we're all jews, right ? [04:46]
mircea_popescu only samy jr pays retail, [04:46]
mircea_popescu and only before conversion. [04:46]
decimation mircea_popescu: for 'well qualified' folks in 'conventional' mortgages, you can get 3.5% for 30 years! [04:47]
decimation fixed [04:47]
mircea_popescu gtfo. [04:47]
decimation and rates are dropping [04:47]
mircea_popescu hm, i guess actually you might not have the luxury to tell them to gtfo [04:47]
mircea_popescu but why are you paying 15x what they pay ? [04:47]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: 5 years. ~2% is retail [04:47]
mircea_popescu would you buy hamburgers at 15x the fixed costs ?! [04:47]
decimation in the us, all mortgages are sold by usg [04:48]
mircea_popescu banks refinance at about 0.2% anything under .3% is ok but over that is being greedy. [04:48]
pete_dushenski 15x zero ... [04:48]
decimation there is no 'private' mortgage market [04:48]
decimation at least, it's tiny [04:48]
mircea_popescu i don't believe that. [04:48]
mircea_popescu maybe there's no private market in the sense that there's no bitcoin stock market ? [04:48]
pete_dushenski there's no way you can get under 2% is all i'm saying [04:48]
mircea_popescu maybe that's true. [04:48]
pete_dushenski if you're borrowing say $500k [04:48]
mircea_popescu well no, borrow $50 mn [04:49]
pete_dushenski i'm more interested in how long you can negotiate as far as a fixed rate term goes [04:49]
pete_dushenski $50 mn you say.... [04:49]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski anything past ~20 years is not necessarily going to come in your favour. [04:49]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski understand : building a building costs to the tune of a bn or a few. [04:50]
mircea_popescu obv there's no market in arbitrarily tiny fractions [04:50]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: having now sent kill $(cat several times, i'm no longer so certain that the damn thing obeys SIGTERM. [04:50]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it takes a while. [04:51]
mircea_popescu go do all your shopping, come back n see [04:51]
pete_dushenski funny lady shopping, that is [04:51]
mircea_popescu “We were stunned by the allegations which served to negatively impact our business in this exciting and evolving financial category,” said Josh Garza, CEO of GAW. “However, we appreciate the outpouring of support by a community that is behind what we are doing as pioneers in the cryptocurrency market; in short, they simply didn’t believe it.” [04:52]
mircea_popescu herp [04:52]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: no way. it respondes to ./bitcoind -datadir=. -port=... -rpcport=... stop, but not to kill $BITCOIND_PID [04:53]
mircea_popescu o.O [04:53]
mircea_popescu no way, it actually has sigterm masking ? [04:53]
mircea_popescu i duin recall this. [04:53]
pete_dushenski bbib [04:55]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet. <<< ther atrocity known as unpnp exists in the first place because people who do not know how to use computers wish nevertheless to use computers, and then complain to people running servers that "doesn't work". [04:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40859 @ 0.00035262 = 14.4077 BTC [-] {2} [04:55]
mircea_popescu it is the fault of the people running servers that they implemented upnp instead of beating the people with the reports, sure. however, beatings suffer from a disaster of commons type of problem : they are valuabler and expensive, but the beneficiaries resist them afore, even if they appreciate them after. [04:56]
mircea_popescu much like washing. [04:56]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk: this humble channel. << i never thought i'd live to hear that one. [04:57]
decimation I can't find good data, but it is pretty well known that usg entities purchase 30 year fixed loans [04:58]
decimation who else would buy them? [04:58]
decimation as for 15x, you can get 0.5% loans - that have 1-month adjustable rates [04:58]
mircea_popescu get them without adjustable. [04:59]
decimation can't [04:59]
mircea_popescu perhaps as a 10 year fixed, with a negotiable that includes your right to fully repay. [04:59]
mircea_popescu iirc that's the structure i used last time i did something like this. [04:59]
decimation not through any traditional loan dealer [04:59]
decimation perhaps a private party would make such a deal [04:59]
mircea_popescu a wot's always handy [04:59]
decimation eh, I can borrow usg's bezzlars for 3.5 [05:00]
mircea_popescu this is like paying me 70 bucks for a happy meal. [05:00]
mircea_popescu (is that shit still 4.95 or did "deflation" fix that proble mtoo ?) [05:01]
decimation no, it's like having usg pay 70 bucks for a happy mean I 'get' to eat [05:01]
decimation i think mcd has raised their prices somewhat, not sure [05:01]
mircea_popescu decimation the difference is negligible from where i'm sitting!!!1 [05:01]
mircea_popescu [05:02]
assbot McDonalds Prices - Fast Food Menu Prices ... ( ) [05:02]
decimation the problem is, even if I were to purchase a house with say, gold or bitcoin [05:02]
mircea_popescu am i reading this right ? it's like 3 bux ? [05:02]
decimation I would still be trading an asset for something valued in loaned-bezzlars [05:02]
mircea_popescu decimation this is why it only makes sense to buy it as a loan, on good terms. [05:03]
decimation they used to have a 'dollar' menu [05:03]
mircea_popescu this is so mind boggling. [05:03]
decimation well, it is certainly the case that it is hard to find a bank that pays more than 1% on your savings account [05:03]
mircea_popescu seriously, food at the cost of a shoeshine ? [05:03]
ben_vulpes "deflation"? [05:03]
decimation but it's also impossible to find a 30-year fixed at less than 3.5 [05:04]
mircea_popescu decimation wide spreads predict disaster. [05:04]
decimation well, they are essentially 'vanity' prices [05:04]
decimation for instance, almost no us banks (to my knowledge) offer 30-years cd's [05:04]
decimation the only reason 30-year fixed exists in the us is because of 'popular demand' [05:05]
mircea_popescu i dunno who would buy a nominal cd anyway. [05:05]
mircea_popescu so technically, no banks offer cds at all. [05:05]
decimation the banking system is a propaganda wrapper around usg/fed bank ownership [05:07]
mircea_popescu amusingly, the fed is actually a private partnership [05:07]
mircea_popescu but anyway : as in the centrally controlled economy of the socialist state, so in the us : the "private" sector is a wrapper around the politburo. [05:08]
mircea_popescu and the "workers" are a wrapper around that wrapper. in the sense a rectum is a wrapper around the condom wrapped around the cock. [05:08]
decimation but they are 'free' [05:10]
mircea_popescu everyone's free who wants to be. [05:10]
decimation the latest fed open market meeting strongly implied that rates will be low for a long time yet [05:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00035691 = 5.3358 BTC [+] [05:15]
decimation rather than the scheduled increase in 6 months [05:15]
decimation because oil halved, therefore 'the deflation' scare is on [05:16]
mircea_popescu it's so amusing for me to see the situation of 1980s japan imported pretty much all over the north atlantic. [05:18]
decimation actuall the 3% FNMA mortgage-backed security is on a bull run [05:18]
assbot MBS Live [05:18]
decimation the implication being that serious folks with lots of bezzlars see a 3% 30-year loan as a great investment - which is telling about expectations of the future [05:20]
mircea_popescu well... it would be wouldn't it ? look how well freddie mac did [05:20]
mircea_popescu (it did do great - the bankers made money, that's the benchmark) [05:20]
decimation if the us becomes japan for the next 30 years, then it is a great deal [05:20]
mircea_popescu japan was a nation, and those three decades nigh on crumbled it. [05:20]
mircea_popescu a federation, like the us ? the austro-hungarian empire didn't last five years of harship. [05:21]
decimation yeah that's a good point [05:22]
decimation with that, I bid good evening. [05:23]
decimation !down decimation [05:23]
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mircea_popescu << for the record : sexualisation as a matter of fact, not as a matter of convention (ie, irrespectiver of the sex object's "consent") is part and parcel of feminity. [05:24]
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mircea_popescu this is what it MEANS to be a woman. [05:24]
mircea_popescu a reconstruction of some sort of imaginary alternative is no different from any other synthetic product : like the transsexual, like the roman eunuch or later italian castrato, like all other exercises in artifexery. [05:25]
mircea_popescu now, that such a matter of fact is a flimsy ground for assault, and has no good reason to escalate to battery is certainly true. [05:26]
mircea_popescu but de minima non curat lex. [05:26]
cazalla cazalla nice month yo. <<< hopefully february will dwarf it [05:27]
ben_vulpes i've been considering how to present this to the "feminists" in my vicinity [05:28]
mircea_popescu well, if it doesn't im sure march will. [05:28]
ben_vulpes the "objectification is part and parcel of having a cunt" line takes more delicacy and subtlety than i've yet cultivated. [05:28]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes sadly it's the equivalent of the beatings. women grok wtf it all means, by virtue of their existential quality of being women. little girls, of whatever age, even 50 should they be, have no avenue to comprehend wtf is being said. [05:28]
ben_vulpes yeah [05:29]
mircea_popescu so they fly in a girlish rage, which is fine and perfectly comprehensible, and even self aware [05:29]
ben_vulpes trick being to deliver the beatings without going to jail in this here country [05:29]
mircea_popescu she calls the thing hysteria for this reason. [05:29]
mircea_popescu anyway, one shouldn't be a doctor for people who aren't patients. not your job to solve people's problems, especially those htey do not care to have solved. [05:30]
ben_vulpes a few are right on the cusp, but it's taken years to get them there [05:30]
ben_vulpes "one shouldn't be a doctor" << the doctoring's forced on one [05:31]
mircea_popescu you will find that cusp can be quite wide. it's like an untrained orgasmer going "i'm almost there". [05:31]
ben_vulpes myeah [05:31]
ben_vulpes control problems, control problems everywhere. [05:32]
* ben_vulpes ponders the unintentional double entendre [05:32]
mircea_popescu lol [05:32]
mircea_popescu i took it for intentional. [05:32]
ben_vulpes i'm not really that bright it turns out [05:32]
mircea_popescu you know foxy, at this rate you ain't roasting jack. [05:32]
mircea_popescu by which i mean the rabbit. [05:32]
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ben_vulpes who said i wanted to! [05:33]
ben_vulpes who said i wanted to wade hip deep into cpp or straighten out everyones mental models [05:33]
mircea_popescu remember! in case of problems : cunt! roll! [05:33]
cazalla short of it "This letter is submitted in response to the government’s January 29, 2015, letter seeking preclusion of the expert testimony of proposed defense witness Andreas M. Antonopoulos." [05:33]
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mircea_popescu cazalla which case is this ? [05:34]
ben_vulpes (i roast none better than myself. it's a...skill.) [05:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, take a guess! [05:34]
mircea_popescu and does the govt letter go "we object to the inclusion of this witness as mr antonopoulos is actually... in a word... dead." ? [05:34]
ben_vulpes lol your grip on the fabric of reality isn't that stiff yet boss [05:35]
cazalla none other than United States v. Ross Ulbricht.. he's fkn sunk with derp on the stand [05:35]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it'd have been lulzy... [05:39]
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mircea_popescu lol so that coinswap thing ran off huh [16:23]
TheNewDeal Wondering if you are interested in a meetup today [16:23]
BingoBoingo Well, GAW bought it. They still seem to take deposits. Just not so keep on the withdrawals business [16:23]
mircea_popescu lol [16:24]
kakobrekla withdrawals have been deprecated. [16:24]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:24]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal who, me ? [16:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1276 @ 0.00096954 = 1.2371 BTC [-] {2} [16:24]
TheNewDeal TomServo [16:25]
mircea_popescu a sorry [16:25]
TheNewDeal not a problem [16:25]
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ben_vulpes withdrawals are an antipatten [16:25]
ben_vulpes does anyone have a recommendation for an x11 friendly browser? [16:25]
mircea_popescu antipatten on teh bakken ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu lynx! [16:26]
ben_vulpes i guess i gotta, huh [16:26]
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ben_vulpes mnah i don't think that's actually going to work so well [16:27]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: xxxterm [16:30]
mircea_popescu isn't that for pronz only ? [16:31]
BingoBoingo Well, is the web for the same thing? [16:31]
mircea_popescu a right [16:31]
BingoBoingo Trilema, and Qntra look pretty good in xxxterm [16:33]
mircea_popescu :p [16:33]
BingoBoingo [16:33]
assbot Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( ) [16:33]
BingoBoingo xxxterm is an actual browser though, perfect for ben_vulpes [16:34]
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decimation << " Yet Washington just announced that by spring, it will deploy unspecified numbers of military “trainers” to Ukraine to help build Kiev’s ramshackle national guard. Also being sent are significant numbers of US special heavy, mine resistant armored vehicles that have been widely used in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US and [16:43]
decimation Poland are currently covertly supplying Ukraine with some weapons." [16:43]
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decimation I would like someone in usg to explain to little people like me why 1) poking russia with a stick is a good idea and 2.) what possible good could come from it [16:44]
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trinque decimation: this time it will be different. [16:47]
trinque the USA is a hyperpower... etc [16:47]
mircea_popescu amusingly, orwell has a quote about this very thing. [16:48]
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mircea_popescu "In one story in the ROVER, for instance, somebody has a tame bear, and as it is a Russian bear, it is nicknamed Trotsky–obviously an echo of the 1917-23 period and not of recent controversies. The clock has stopped at 1910. Britannia rules the waves, and no one has heard of slumps, booms, unemployment, dictatorships, purges or concentration camps." [16:48]
BingoBoingo [16:48]
assbot The Isaac Brock Society | The real reason that Roger Ver renounced US citizenship ... ( ) [16:49]
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mats decimation: brinksmanship is how this game is played, yo. [16:49]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [16:49]
mats what does USG care if Putin shuts off the gas? [16:49]
decimation mats: what 'game'? is usg trying to gain a colony in eastern europe [16:50]
mats i seriously doubt there's an actual end game, but they'll keep playing anyways [16:50]
BingoBoingo [16:50]
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mircea_popescu gotta keep playin'!!1 [16:51]
mats maybe they wanna put up moar missile sites near .ru [16:51]
mircea_popescu who's isaac broc ? [16:51]
trinque the game is just pumping up defense spending [16:51]
trinque rather, there's no game and it's a runaway process of it's own [16:51]
decimation I guess. Like, if there were anti-us rebels in mexico, I think usg would be seriously pissed if russia sent troops to support them [16:52]
trinque more enemies == dear god man, look at the stock market!!11!!! [16:52]
mats gotta fight Putin, you know, the man's "evil" and not a true Christian, etc... [16:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Either a British Officer/Administrator who fought America in 1812 or the lead singer of Modest Mouse [16:52]
mircea_popescu lol [16:53]
decimation mats: actually that's another point - it seems to me that we have more of an interest in giving putin a little of what he wants in exchange for helping put a lid on the crazy muslims [16:53]
mircea_popescu dat passive aggressive roger ver bs., [16:53]
mircea_popescu After being told by the US attorney that I would be sent to jail for seven or eight years if I took my case to trial I signed a plea agreement. At the sentencing the judge asked me if anyone threatened or coerced me in any way to sign the plea agreement. When I said “Yes, absolutely,” the judge’s eyes became very wide and he asked “what do you mean?” I explained that the US attorney told me that he would send [16:53]
mircea_popescu me to jail for seven or eight years if I didn’t sign the plea agreement. The judge responded that that was not what he was asking about, so I replied that I must not understand what it means to be threatened or coerced. The judge then proceeded to lecture me extensively on politics. He carried on about why government is so important and how “taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society” and that government [16:53]
mircea_popescu is wonderful in general. He summed up his lecture by telling me that, “I don’t want you to think that your political views have anything to do with why you are here today,” and then sentenced me to serve ten months in federal prison. [16:53]
mircea_popescu wtf, srsly ? that's it ? [16:53]
mircea_popescu "i signed it, but i TOLD MOM I DUN LIKLE IT!!11" [16:54]
mircea_popescu trying to take these schmoes seriously is not unlike trying to make an army of toddlers. [16:54]
mats decimation: if there was anybody bright running the show, they'd exactly cave to Putin and let him slaughter the muslamics in europe [16:54]
mircea_popescu "don't chew on the gun, billy! stand up tommy!" [16:54]
trinque lol [16:54]
mats solve that problem rightaway [16:54]
decimation mats: yeah I think we are on the same page [16:55]
mircea_popescu mats putin is not as against teh muslims as you imagine. [16:55]
mircea_popescu i'll bet you as a for instance that the way he sees it, the muslims taking over europe east of the danube is perfect, inasmuch as they'll do away with the feminists, transsexuals, redditards etceteras on their own dime. [16:56]
mats i didn't mean to venture that he wanted to own more of europe [16:56]
mats much like nobody wants detroit [16:56]
decimation yeah, in somalia [16:56]
asciilifeform << ty jurov [16:57]
assbot ... ( ) [16:57]
asciilifeform danielpbarron ^ [16:57]
mircea_popescu and by east of the danube i mean west of the danube, of course [16:58]
asciilifeform obligatory >>>> [16:59]
assbot The Ballad of East and West by Rudyard Kipling ... ( ) [16:59]
decimation why don't muslims settle in romania and moldova? [16:59]
trinque muslims don't seem to "settle" [16:59]
jurov decimation, these countries are not welcoming to any immigrants [17:00]
trinque ah I misunderstood [17:00]
trinque there are european countries that are actually resisting being invaded? [17:01]
decimation jurov: those countries don't have a problem sending emigrants to other countries... [17:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00036573 = 18.0671 BTC [+] [17:02]
jurov so? [17:02]
decimation << has a map [17:02]
assbot Islam in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [17:02]
trinque decimation: wow, that would not have been my assumption given the proximity of eastern europe.. [17:03]
jurov eastern europe is deeply suspicious of any immigrants [17:05]
BingoBoingo Eastern Europe sounds a lot like Wisconsin or Minnesota, except less Nordic [17:06]
mircea_popescu nah. eastern europe is basically astoria, queens and brooklyn [17:07]
mircea_popescu except much larger. [17:07]
BingoBoingo Ah [17:07]
mats this makes me sad about my options [17:07]
mircea_popescu (and contrary to what everyone is willing to admit, it actually includes italy and about half of germany plus austria) [17:07]
decimation poor Vienna, her star has fallen thus [17:08]
mats i dun really wanna go back to asia and i worry about being able to fit in, in sudamerica [17:08]
mircea_popescu lol fallen. vienna's stars ARE BUILT OF THUS. [17:08]
decimation heh yeah that is true [17:09]
mircea_popescu this eastern europe = sucks thing is new, really. what do oyu think tyhe blue danube is about, normandy ? [17:09]
mircea_popescu mats ever tried it ? [17:09]
mircea_popescu certainly the women look a lot less like perambulating pancakes. [17:10]
mats rude [17:10]
mircea_popescu that's me. [17:10]
mats you hate me [17:10]
mircea_popescu i don't hate you lol. [17:10]
mats i'm kidding. but no, i haven't been to south america yet [17:11]
mircea_popescu well so then why worry. [17:11]
* trinque imagines if/when he ever moves, his accent will get him beaten in an alley somewhere [17:11]
mircea_popescu an [17:11]
mircea_popescu i tell you something else : teh muslims are reasonably fun to be around. [17:11]
decimation I'm not implying that eastern europe sucks, what I meant was that their fortunes have changed such that they are no longer a proud empire, but instead a collection of wayward sheep [17:11]
mircea_popescu for one thing, you don't have to explain to them that your harem's your harem and what's it for. [17:12]
mircea_popescu when talking things through with teenaged cunt such cultural support helps. [17:12]
mircea_popescu decimation revolution really means rotation, you know ? this is what europe does, essentially it's a falling rods press for other people. [17:13]
decimation aye, no nation or empire possesses the 'conch shell' forever [17:13]
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mircea_popescu trinque dude, if i could find a hundred people willing to beat up anyone in an alley on the basis of their accent in this country [17:16]
mircea_popescu i'd have been inaugurated president like yesterday. [17:17]
mircea_popescu the current one only has like... 3. and they're inept. [17:17]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha [17:31]
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kakobrekla this is how eastern europe is like [17:33]
mircea_popescu hungry for more ? [17:35]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: << obligatory [17:35]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2014 14:20:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin' [17:35]
mircea_popescu mut raja se o reijälläkin [17:36]
danielpbarron well i got asciilifeform's bastard binary working (or would anyone prefer i try traditional) on my pogoplug; still setting up an environment to build it myself (sorry i'm kinda rusty at all this) [17:40]
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mircea_popescu i think traditional's dead. [17:41]
mircea_popescu i had hoped it may pull through, but... [17:41]
asciilifeform that means one or more of you lot are stuck with the misery of actually reading that patch. [17:42]
asciilifeform because all four of my Shiva-hands are full. [17:42]
danielpbarron "blocks" : 24500, [17:43]
danielpbarron and it just died [17:46]
asciilifeform died silently ? [17:47]
danielpbarron not sure what that means [17:48]
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danielpbarron i was watching debug.log [17:48]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: no output? [17:48]
danielpbarron it was running as daemon [17:48]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: run in console as nohup /path/to/bitcoind -datadir /wherever/you/have/it & [17:48]
asciilifeform then see nohup.out for stdout [17:49]
mircea_popescu ^ [17:50]
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danielpbarron Error: Specified directory does not exist [17:52]
trinque after reading that article which mentioned the coy response I see it *everywhere* [17:54]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: change the paths to equal yours, srsly [17:54]
danielpbarron i did lol [17:54]
danielpbarron not that stupid :p [17:55]
asciilifeform -datadir= [17:56]
asciilifeform damn. [17:56]
BingoBoingo Nice family xanthyos [17:57]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards [17:57]
danielpbarron ah i see [17:58]
asciilifeform though normally this is extremely noisy on debug.log [17:58]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [17:58]
mircea_popescu trinque duh. [18:05]
mircea_popescu incidentally, this is what college is you kno ? [18:05]
mircea_popescu that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception. [18:05]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the us is now fighting indians with indians ? [18:06]
BingoBoingo Looks like it [18:06]
ben_vulpes danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards << in these fuges, does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." ? [18:07]
danielpbarron terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' [18:08]
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asciilifeform does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!... << not here. [18:15]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: that's a standard oomkill [18:15]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: didja start with a brand-new blockchain ? [18:15]
asciilifeform and with nothing substantial else running on the box [18:16]
ben_vulpes so xxxterm furned into xombrero which maintained by conformal? [18:16]
ben_vulpes plot! [18:16]
danielpbarron asciilifeform, ya [18:16]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It did [18:16]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [18:20]
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danielpbarron started it over again, this time it's up to height=52820 still going [18:33]
danielpbarron without tail -f running [18:33]
mircea_popescu cazalla fwiw, the state has an ironclad case for rejecting the proposed testimony. [18:36]
mircea_popescu it was ineptly introduced. [18:36]
xanthyos got a new windows 8 machine and i really don't like what computers have become [18:36]
xanthyos i miss the mechanical red switch on my 286 [18:37]
asciilifeform actual computers not banned yet [18:38]
asciilifeform get one. [18:38]
asciilifeform it'll cost more after ban. [18:38]
xanthyos i wonder how much the hardware itself is compromised regardless of the OS i use [18:39]
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xanthyos i don't like the concept of "apps" [18:39]
xanthyos noone has to look for the exe anymore [18:40]
cazalla i don't think they have for a long time xanthyos, which is why 18f_tits.jpg.exe worked so well lol [18:41]
mats probably all, xanthyos [18:42]
asciilifeform coprophagia is, yet, (for now!) a voluntary thing. [18:42]
xanthyos heh [18:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed. [18:45]
BingoBoingo And Preet isn't objecting on inpetness of the introduction. [18:45]
mircea_popescu well yes, that part is funny. preet is objecting to the defense calling its own witnesses because "the government already did that" [18:45]
mircea_popescu as if that's how things work. but hey, in obamaland, north of chad, that's exactly how they do work [18:46]
mircea_popescu and who's to know any better ? [18:46]
mats << ships 'off by default'. backdoor. [18:46]
assbot Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT) ... ( ) [18:46]
danielpbarron it's hung up on block 56154 but still running and receiving data [18:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: My personal interpretation of the filing is that Preet want the record to reflect objecting to Andreas, while not successfull preventing the zombie's testimony. [18:48]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [18:51]
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BingoBoingo Too mebbe to make that explicit in the summary. [18:54]
mircea_popescu myea [18:56]
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trinque mircea_popescu | that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception. << I went to a shitty public institution, found it a waste of my time, departed early. I would've loved to experience such a place, glad I stumbled in here. [19:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla going by re top sites / audience interests : mebbe it's worth your time to write to pando, silicon angle writers (individually) see if they want to submit a piece for qntra ? [19:02]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [19:02]
mircea_popescu gotta start unraveling the worm sometime/somewhere. [19:03]
BingoBoingo Sounds like a plan. [19:03]
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mircea_popescu PeterL: nominally US is a federation, but [..] << the argument that austro-hungary was a federation of nations, whereas the us is a federation of nobodies does not in fact bolster its prospects to any degree. [19:09]
mircea_popescu yes, you're righyt, which is why the "Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter" domains of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, FJ yielded stuff like the bohemian kingdom. [19:10]
mircea_popescu whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face. [19:11]
BingoBoingo whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face. << A singular Ozark Dutchy yes, but a collection of Ozark hamlets that in confederation raids Kansas with some regularity is possible [19:13]
mircea_popescu and quite likely. [19:13]
BingoBoingo Chicagoland might live on as a very poor Duchy [19:16]
trinque it's my understanding that chiraq is pretty well armed [19:17]
trinque maybe we get a hip-hop producing boko haram out of it [19:17]
BingoBoingo trinque: Sure, but so are the near rural areas which don't like Chicagoland [19:17]
trinque true enough [19:17]
mircea_popescu incidentally, since we're on this topic : [19:18]
mircea_popescu Franz Joseph von Gottes Gnaden Erwählter Römischer Kaiser allzeit Mehrer des Reiches Erblicher Kaiser von Österreich König von Germanien; Apostolischer König von Ungarn; König von Böhmen Dalmatien Kroatien Slawonien Galizien Lodomerien und Illyrien ; König von Jerusalem etc.; Erzherzog von Österreich; Großherzog von Toskana und Krakau ; Herzog von Lothringen Salzburg Würzburg Franken Steiermark Kärnten Krai [19:18]
mircea_popescu n und der Bukowina ; Großfürst von Siebenbürgen ; Markgraf von Mähren ; Herzog von Sandomir Masowien Lublin Ober- und Nieder schlesien Modena Parma Piacenza Guastalla Auschwitz Zator Teschen Friaul Ragusa und Zara ; Gefürsteter Graf von Habsburg und Tirol Kyburg Görz und Gradisca; Fürst von Trient und Brixen ; Markgraf von Ober- und Nieder lausitz und in Istrien ; Graf von Hohenems Feldkirch Bregenz Sonnenberg e [19:18]
mircea_popescu tc.; Herr von Triest von Cattaro und auf der windischen Mark; Großwoiwode der Woiwodschaft Serbien ; Prinz von Berchtesgaden und Mergentheim und so weiter. [19:18]
mircea_popescu note the usw = and so forth. [19:18]
mircea_popescu now imagine it in the us you know, herzog of frankfort and ruler of the kansas marches [19:18]
mircea_popescu (a marsh is not a swamp, but a disputed and difficult to defend border land. which is to say a swamp.) [19:19]
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BingoBoingo trinque: I think the Chicagoland Duchy may at sometimes though claim influence as far south as Peoria, might raid as far south as Kentucky, but doubt they wil get to St Louis with regularity seeing the problem the river represents [19:23]
mircea_popescu the margrave of chicago eh ? [19:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00036332 = 24.7421 BTC [-] {2} [19:25]
BingoBoingo I imagine it as a sort of Byzantium, well placed, but not really loved by anyone. [19:26]
BingoBoingo It might be just as likely Chicago exists as a Vassal state of Archer Daniel Midland of Western Illinois in one of the the greatest reversals on the bezzel order. [19:29]
BingoBoingo ;;google Forgotonia [19:29]
gribble Forgottonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Kadner: 'Forgotonia' may lose planned Illiana Expressway ...: ; McDonough County, Illinois, USA - Infobahn Outfitters: [19:29]
BingoBoingo Western Illinois came closer to seceeding from Illinois than SOuthern Illinois ever did. [19:30]
mircea_popescu << surprise buttseks ?! [19:32]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: turdogram incoming! [19:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: jan. `15 broadcast. [19:48]
mircea_popescu cool. [19:49]
asciilifeform damn, gpg mutilated my ascii art. [19:49]
asciilifeform my beautiful artz [19:49]
mircea_popescu lol [19:51]
mircea_popescu ascii arts is for fucking with. [19:51]
mircea_popescu decimation : re the "russia supporting independent mexico" thing : this has already ahppened. napoleon iii fromed a mexican monarchy, under maximillian. the us refused to recognise. [19:51]
asciilifeform who doesn't know about poor maximillian and his souvenir nose. [19:52]
asciilifeform (his firing squad, according to legend, was so large that he sorta fell apart, and various pieces were parcelled out as keepsakes) [19:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00037075 = 31.866 BTC [+] {2} [19:53]
asciilifeform blockheight=230170 (bastard node) [19:55]
mircea_popescu o hey [19:55]
mircea_popescu so explain again and in full detail what the bastardization consists of ? [19:55]
asciilifeform the skull'n'crossbones patch [19:56]
danielpbarron 56882 here, hasn't stopped since block 0 on this run [19:56]
asciilifeform <<<<< that one [19:56]
assbot ... ( ) [19:56]
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asciilifeform a backport of the bozos' mechanizm for purging bastards (in their lexicon, 'orphans') [19:56]
asciilifeform [19:56]
assbot ... ( ) [19:56]
mircea_popescu by limiuting to 750 ? [19:56]
asciilifeform ^ readn'weep [19:57]
asciilifeform 750 << or any other constant [19:57]
asciilifeform in the binary danielpbarron is using, it's 250 [19:57]
mircea_popescu i'd rather have an oral specification to go with the codical specification. [19:57]
mircea_popescu which is why i say. [19:57]
asciilifeform the magic constant that results in a usable 'pogo', if such exists, has not, afaik, been determined yet. [19:57]
asciilifeform the bozomatic bitcoin (0.9.something) has a command line flag to optionally specify this value [19:58]
asciilifeform i did not backport it, because didn't even think this would fly [19:58]
asciilifeform tried to keep the phoundation crud to a bare min. [19:58]
asciilifeform most of what you see in that patch is only there because the fuckers changed the data structure used to represent the bastard blocks [19:59]
asciilifeform a substantially more compact but logically-equivalent mechanism is possible, i dare say [19:59]
asciilifeform perhaps ben_vulpes ^^^^^ . [19:59]
asciilifeform or mod6 [19:59]
asciilifeform or someone for fuck's sake other than meee plz [19:59]
mircea_popescu lol [20:00]
asciilifeform for instance, that marsaglia rng thing is probably unnecessary [20:01]
asciilifeform toss it, replace with call to whatever rng is presently in use [20:01]
asciilifeform now it's again half as long. [20:01]
asciilifeform i could have sworn we had other folks in here who can/willing-to program.... [20:02]
asciilifeform chetty?! [20:02]
mircea_popescu what, you want eulora to take a year between releases too ?! [20:02]
asciilifeform lol [20:02]
asciilifeform nein [20:02]
asciilifeform teach the gurlz cpp or sumthing [20:02]
mircea_popescu who, amanda hess ? [20:02]
asciilifeform whozzat [20:02]
asciilifeform !s amanda hess [20:03]
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mircea_popescu "I'm a Slate staff writer. I've reported on sex, Hollywood, teenagers, media, technology, and the ladies for places like WIRED, ESPN The Magazine, NYMag. com" [20:03]
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asciilifeform l0l!! [20:03]
mircea_popescu aka "i'm one of about two hundred or so otherwise unemployable idiots my age that have made a confederacy and are trying to monopolize uninteresting but cheap media writing" [20:03]
asciilifeform speaking of which, [20:04]
asciilifeform [20:04]
assbot In China, highly educated women are mocked as a sexless “third gender” – Quartz ... ( ) [20:04]
asciilifeform ^ mega-lol [20:05]
asciilifeform 'nuns of no mercy' [20:05]
mircea_popescu this is, as you'd expect, a very convenient western misrepresentation. [20:05]
asciilifeform no shit. [20:05]
mircea_popescu "highly educated women are deeply respected and in high demand. highly offensive idiots who lay claim to an "education"they do not have but aspire to nevertheless "demonstrate" through circle jerking are despised and actively discouraged" [20:06]
mircea_popescu a distinction i see no problem with. amanda hess in chains is not a women's issue, it's a stupid women's issue. [20:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, re maximillian : he hung of his own hand, basically. man lands in mexico at the invitation of the elite, sees the conditions of the poor and figures "hey, this shocking difference i perceive from the situation in europe is in no sense and to no degree a warning to me! the right thing to do is obviously ignoring reality and behaving according to imagination!!!" [20:08]
mircea_popescu few years later, with the elite firmly pissed off and the liberals bolstered by the "hey, even the german emperor agrees with our ideas", he got what libertards generally get. [20:09]
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asciilifeform [20:20]
assbot Maximilian I of Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [20:20]
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asciilifeform unrelated, [20:22]
asciilifeform does anyone else find it remarkable how readily the 0.5.3.x irc seeding mechanism still works ? [20:22]
asciilifeform and when it was discarded by the phoundation? 0.6 ? [20:22]
asciilifeform would be interesting to see a robotic probe tell us wtf lurks in that channel [20:23]
asciilifeform likewise unrelated, [20:25]
asciilifeform [20:25]
assbot The Royal Fork ... ( ) [20:25]
asciilifeform ^ do we know him ? [20:25]
mircea_popescu nope [20:26]
asciilifeform pretty good expository work in there. [20:26]
asciilifeform [20:27]
assbot Graphical Address Generator ... ( ) [20:27]
asciilifeform [20:27]
asciilifeform etc [20:27]
assbot Deconstructing Transactions ... ( ) [20:27]
mircea_popescu shot the guy an email. [20:27]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: "why?" << this thing where you embrace extend and run into the wall a reasonable idea is for teh dogs. [20:30]
mircea_popescu ri really shouldhave all the magic numbers in a config file. [20:30]
asciilifeform ^^^^^^ [20:30]
cazalla looks like another bitcoin ad network calling it quits [20:32]
assbot BitcoinAds - Contact ... ( ) [20:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.06202125 = 1.4885 BTC [-] {5} [20:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: have some lulz << lol check out all the disinterested forum experts. ognasty, "Pool your bitcoins with others. Vote on solutions using the Bitcoin blockchain. " all sorts of laudable. [20:35]
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asciilifeform 'Software may be "open sourced" by various companies who depend on that software to do their business (Puppet, Chef and Go are all excellent examples of the pattern: monolithic software projects of such scale that they either approach or actually are their own languages for which the source is freely available, but the source for which nobody is really supposed to read), but in nearly all of those cases the code may as well be [20:45]
asciilifeform a closed hairball for all the interest the entities in question have in documenting and maintaining the various hairballs' (ben_vulpes's www) [20:45]
asciilifeform relates to, [20:45]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 19:51:38; asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you- [20:45]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:18; asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor [20:45]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:45; asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start' [20:45]
asciilifeform i've been meaning to write an article on the subject of 'pseudo-open' for... ~5 yrs now [20:46]
asciilifeform had an early draft where it was phrased in a particularly comedic (unintentionally) way, where, parody of rms and his 'software freedoms,' the sqrt(-1)-th 'freedom' was to be 'freedom to understand' [20:46]
asciilifeform (meaning equal to 'fits in head') [20:47]
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asciilifeform since this place is quiet, i will take the liberty to blather at length; [20:49]
asciilifeform for some years i earned bread as a 'reverse engineer' [20:49]
asciilifeform and i will say that none of the items i have worked with (and they were samples of malware, in some cases elaborately obfuscated) remotely approached the ugliness and gnarliness of bitcoind. [20:50]
asciilifeform and these were winblows binaries. [20:50]
asciilifeform again, will repeat, often elaborately obfuscated [20:50]
asciilifeform point of this story is that 'open' source that is not accessible to the human mind with reasonable effort, may as well be 'closed' [20:51]
asciilifeform and in fact, to present it as 'open' is an ethically questionable proposition [20:51]
asciilifeform and to answer the objections of possibly lurking idiots in advance - no, it is not because bitcoin is mathematically complicated [20:52]
asciilifeform it isn't. [20:52]
asciilifeform and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball [20:52]
asciilifeform the original birth of said hairball may have been unintentional (mr s couldn't really program) - but its present state is not. [20:53]
asciilifeform !s glued with glass [20:53]
assbot 1 results for 'glued with glass' : [20:53]
asciilifeform etc. [20:53]
* asciilifeform had more to say, but his 'wrath' emotion register bit is set, and hard to think straight. [20:54]
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cazalla oh, garza never ceases to provide the lulz.. his $20 honour program was to go live today.. posts this a few days back and now the day of launch.. " As previously reported, we are reviewing with counsel the features of the Honors Program and what if any aspects of the program may require regulatory approval. We intend to proceed based upon advise of counsel and [21:07]
cazalla will provide updates as developments warrant." [21:07]
assbot ... ( ) [21:07]
assbot Status of Honor Program ... ( ) [21:07]
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ben_vulpes eg "we ain't buyin yer shitcoins" [21:11]
ben_vulpes man i wrote hairball a lot last night [21:12]
ben_vulpes side note: that's the informal name for the infrastructure provisioning tool i wrote for internal use [21:12]
trinque asciilifeform: at least one might hope that even they've lost track of which pieces of tech they've weakened over the years, such that they've weakened themselves as well [21:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 258 @ 0.00763406 = 1.9696 BTC [+] {6} [21:16]
trinque put more clearly, does the thing committing industrial-scale corruption of software provide the rest of govt a reliable map of which things are unsafe to use. I'd think not [21:19]
asciilifeform trinque: << on the subject [21:19]
assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( ) [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71169 @ 0.00036954 = 26.2998 BTC [+] {3} [21:21]
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trinque wince laptop?! [21:24]
* trinque reads on [21:25]
trinque asciilifeform: I think I see your point; the answer is not "yes, oops" but "Yes as a matter of policy." [21:26]
* asciilifeform is a very reluctant believer in 'oops'es [21:26]
trinque damn, that makes a great deal of sense. [21:26]
trinque seems to rule out what I said too. That they might have underlings use weakened crypto provides them greater control over them, and eh, if they get intercepted/caught/etc they were expendable in the first place. [21:28]
trinque as you point out, the things that really matter use crypto that (afaik) works [21:29]
asciilifeform works in their sense, not ours [21:29]
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asciilifeform << steve dutch descends to new level of usg fellatio [21:40]
assbot Why I Don't Believe in Conspiracy Theories ... ( ) [21:40]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform so write it. [21:58]
mircea_popescu and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball << bitcoin is certainly simple. [21:59]
mircea_popescu cazalla your pics put the finger on the point : this is why we despise them. [22:00]
mircea_popescu " community" or w/e they are. [22:00]
mircea_popescu trinque obviously it does not work in the favour of the bureaucracy. for the simple reason that the incentives of the talented, the smart and the valuables never are nor ever could be alligned with socialism. [22:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "yes, as a matter of policy, in the sense an addict's untimely death is a matter of his own policy" [22:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the steve dutch piece is funny because... "i lie" gets transmorgrified into "they lie" in such a predictable fashion. [22:03]
mircea_popescu yes, i'm sure "they" lie, notwithstanding that "they" doesn't even exist as such outside of the sufferer's sufferances. [22:03]
mircea_popescu << meanwhile from the sufferers under the "code is poetteringy" mullenweg regime. [22:05]
assbot O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:05]
mircea_popescu clearly... "they lie". [22:05]
danielpbarron made it to 93225 and it seems to have stopped without producing any errors in either debug.log or nohup.out [22:08]
trinque mircea_popescu: is this the classic paranoia that the underlings are all out to get the leadership, as manifested in tech? [22:08]
trinque bin laden seemed to do pretty well in turning our system inward on itself [22:08]
mircea_popescu trinque im not sure what you're asking ? [22:10]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell fabianb empyex sick ? [22:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:10]
trinque trying to pull it into words... it would seem to be a sign of institutional illness, autoimmune disorder [22:10]
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trinque mircea_popescu: I remember you talking about whether Stalins rust; I understand him to have succumbed to a great deal of paranoia about underlings coming after him [22:14]
mircea_popescu the two are really unrelated. [22:15]
trinque this seems a winning strategy, find the top, discover their nightmares, convince them that you're it, you're everywhere, and they're fucked [22:15]
mircea_popescu stalins purges were just good politics, if not from a very society-approved paradigm. [22:15]
trinque at which point they attack themselves (their country) [22:15]
trinque yeah, I'm not qualified to understand how that was perceived internally [22:15]
mircea_popescu but yes, that is unrelatedly the winning strategy, and sure, it's working splendidly. in spite of sustained pretense of everyone to you know, "who is mp". [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83977 @ 0.00035328 = 29.6674 BTC [-] {2} [22:16]
mircea_popescu in other words, there's a lot of value in ~actually being the nightmare~, on the side. [22:16]
trinque right [22:17]
trinque I took aikido for a while; the teacher always pointed out that while you were using their own movements against them, you could for instance break their neck here, dislocate shoulder with a push an inch that way, etc [22:17]
BingoBoingo I'm adding "Giant Golden Tiger driven by invisible slaves" to the wishlist. [22:23]
mircea_popescu “The most recent poll showed that the majority of Americans no longer believe the conspiracy theory that a species emitting only 3% of the world’s supply of a poor heat-trapping gas are magically cooling the planet… I mean heating the planet…. or wait, I mean causing the weather to change now.” [22:23]
mircea_popescu lol [22:23]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [22:30]
mircea_popescu mats re your first link : [22:31]
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mats ouch [22:38]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [22:39]
mircea_popescu let them fucking come and worship instead of going around in circles like headless chickens pretending the whole world's a chicken and someone severed its head. [22:40]
mircea_popescu "the nonsense we belive in is not really nonsense, which is why we can't hoild a conversation with random people. let's instead talk of sports!" [22:40]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski you know these log copies where you capitalize the first letter in a line but not subsequent sentence leads nor 1st person pronouns is very odd looking. [22:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:46]
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mircea_popescu !up Nemesis3 [22:58]
-assbot- You voiced Nemesis3 for 30 minutes. [22:58]
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asciilifeform 234104. [22:59]
Nemesis3 mircea_popescu hey thanks :) came mostly to keep an eye on the conversation here, I enjoy your website. [22:59]
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mircea_popescu cheers. [23:00]
mircea_popescu !up bitstein [23:00]
-assbot- You voiced bitstein for 30 minutes. [23:00]
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badon BananaLotus beetcoin ben_vulpes bertani_ BigBitz BingoBoingo bitspill bitstein blah Blazedout419 BlueMatt bounce [23:00]
badon BananaLotus beetcoin ben_vulpes bertani_ BigBitz BingoBoingo bitspill bitstein blah Blazedout419 BlueMatt bounce [23:00]
mircea_popescu you know how to voice yourself on the new model bitstein ? [23:00]
bitstein Still !up in a message to assbot, right? [23:01]
mircea_popescu bitspill yes then !v with the decoded bit. [23:01]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes << just reading this thing gives me a blood pressure boost. [23:02]
assbot Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( ) [23:02]
bitstein Cool. I like the upgrade with the OTPs for every command. [23:02]
bitstein Do I need to re-rate everyone using assbot for the asswot? [23:02]
mircea_popescu nope it forked. [23:03]
mircea_popescu (no you don't have to redo the history, it was copied over) [23:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory [23:03]
mircea_popescu hopefully we'll get a way to automate communication between gribble and assbot once nanotube gets around to it. [23:04]
danielpbarron "hypocrites! they forked the WoT but they won't fork bitcoin!" [23:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 1 because allowing two ways to do things never killed anyone and 2 probably because i want to see the stuff. i suspect it's a derivative of the general "fits in head" principle. [23:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00035927 = 16.2031 BTC [+] [23:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: before very long, this thing will not be readable in the usual sense of the word. [23:06]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron nothing hypocritical about it : if WE fork bitcoin, then it's ok. if nobody claims to do it, nobody gets quashed. [23:06]
asciilifeform (build script, that is) [23:06]
danielpbarron :D [23:06]
mircea_popescu [23:06]
assbot Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:39; mircea_popescu: including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge. [23:06]
mircea_popescu "The "Bitcoin Foundation" poured an unforgiveable number of coins into the market to feed Gavin Andresen and his family…and for what? 3 years of development that's just about to get flushed down the drain? The appearance of relevance without any of the hard work of thinking and making things work correctly? [...] Consider the tragedy wrought by an internet forum accidentally blessed with untold riches and weep." [23:09]
mircea_popescu teh quite. [23:09]
mircea_popescu so much wastage has never seen, not since the great california gold rush at any rate. [23:09]
mircea_popescu (btw... the reason silicon valley as a marketable product exists today ? that.) [23:09]
asciilifeform the actual gold rush? [23:10]
asciilifeform or just similar psychology (obvious fact?) [23:10]
mircea_popescu the actual physical gold rush [23:10]
asciilifeform how? [23:10]
mircea_popescu california minus the gold rush, and the resulting adaptaiton, would have been washington with a coastline. [23:11]
mircea_popescu but with it, "that's california for you", something conceptually entrenched already in the times of mark twain. on the basis of which, hollywood, and shockley. [23:11]
mircea_popescu you have to understand in 1890 nobody wanted to leave new york (where show biz lived) to go in tumbleweedland. [23:12]
mircea_popescu it took time and money to drag them away. [23:12]
mircea_popescu it took 50 years, that could only be built because of the previous 50. and so on. [23:12]
asciilifeform aha so just what i suspected. i.e., there would be no major population centres in western usa if not for gold rush [23:12]
mircea_popescu there would be, yes. [23:13]
mircea_popescu mexican speaking. [23:13]
mircea_popescu you realise mexico city is larger than all texas, right ? [23:13]
asciilifeform iirc archaeologists believe it (predecessor) to have been the first 1M+ city ? [23:14]
mircea_popescu i doubt that claim, but it's certainly not impossible. [23:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, people readily forget history. siegel had to beg and steal new york money to build, what essentially was, the first building in the desert. [23:15]
BingoBoingo [23:15]
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mircea_popescu nothing existed there prior, or in the words of sinatra (a man the age of one's grandparents), "this place was sand before i came here and it'll be sand again before i'm done with you!" [23:15]
mircea_popescu for that matter, cca 1890 a japanese invasion of the entire west coast was regarded moderately likely and entirely feasible in principle. [23:17]
Nemesis3 I never thought of that, it really makes sense (about gold rush), i'm still blow away by phoenix and other metropolis in the middle of nowhere [23:17]
Nemesis3 mircea_popescu then in ww2 the gov took everything from them [23:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as late as '42. [23:18]
mircea_popescu more importantly : the cost of hay in carson city was 250 dollars per ton in 1962, and had been as much as twice that. at the same time a horse could be had for 30. [23:19]
mircea_popescu and yet, arrangements were made to get the hay there. [23:19]
mircea_popescu these arrangements, the making thereof, that's what the whole tinseltown is built on. [23:20]
mircea_popescu "bring me five poounds of moon cheese!" [23:20]
asciilifeform jurov: can we pretty please get the snipped crud out of the lxr? (win32 etc.) [23:20]
mircea_popescu here : "Speculation ran riot, and yet there was a world of substantial business going on, too. All freights were brought over the mountains from California (150 miles) by pack-train partly, and partly in huge wagons drawn by such long mule teams that each team amounted to a procession, and it did seem, sometimes, that the grand combined procession of animals stretched unbroken from Virginia to California. Its long rout [23:20]
mircea_popescu e was traceable clear across the deserts of the Territory by the writhing serpent of dust it lifted up. By these wagons, freights over that hundred and fifty miles were $200 a ton for small lots (same price for all express matter brought by stage), and $100 a ton for full loads. One Virginia firm received one hundred tons of freight a month, and paid $10,000 a month freightage. In the winter the freights were much high [23:20]
mircea_popescu er. All the bullion was shipped in bars by stage to San Francisco (a bar was usually about twice the size of a pig of lead and contained from $1,500 to $3,000 according to the amount of gold mixed with the silver), and the freight on it (when the shipment was large) was one and a quarter per cent. of its intrinsic value." [23:20]
mircea_popescu freigthage at 200 gold dollars per ton. [23:21]
asciilifeform circa 1849 ? [23:21]
asciilifeform comparable to satellite launch today, possibly [23:21]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 200 * 1.67 * 40 [23:22]
gribble 13360 [23:22]
mircea_popescu 13k a ton. [23:22]
asciilifeform ok sans a zero. [23:22]
asciilifeform this is more like next-day air shipping from mordor to buenos aires [23:22]
mircea_popescu and it's a great blessing, too, you know ? if that's what it costs you won't be sending much gawker across. [23:22]
mircea_popescu these absurd constraints are a great driver of innoivation. for instance, the "lawless", "rugged" and obviously unwashed rapists of the wild west ? [23:24]
mircea_popescu they nevertheless sent mail on special paper. thinner than the bible sheets. [23:24]
ben_vulpes "blood pressure boost" << can't tell whether this is good or bad for your health [23:24]
mircea_popescu when there's money to pay for it, and necessarilty in the shape of "fallen from the sky", the marriage with absurd constraints is the most productive thing known to man. [23:24]
ben_vulpes [] ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory << consider it an excess of paranoia [23:25]
mircea_popescu then soon enough the HABIT of innovaton forms, and it's set. becomes culture, and win. [23:26]
ben_vulpes [] (build script, that is) << every time i publish a revision it gets shorter and more legible, fuck off [23:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's not too bad for my health. definitely worse for the long term prospects of the heathens [23:27]
ben_vulpes 'twon't even be around forever. it's part of bootstrapping a slimmed down codebase that doesn't need all the trimming etc [23:27]
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mircea_popescu << come to think if it, usg's Freisler's unceremonious dismissal of o'reilly media's version gavin (perhaps even at some point prepared for a gavin substitution, in case) is telling of a certain change of winds in that camp. [23:32]
assbot Logged on 01-02-2015 21:41:09; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed. [23:32]
mircea_popescu i very much doubt they still believe "the problem" can be contained with muppets. [23:32]
asciilifeform << ben_vulpes et al: this is what they ended up replacing the block loader with... [23:33]
assbot Headers-first synchronization · 341735e · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [23:33]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't trust it, if it wasn't obvious already. [23:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone here trusts it [23:33]
mircea_popescu myeah. [23:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it very transparently follows the overall pattern (create, nurture problem, then propose 'solution' glued with glass that introduces subtle boojum) [23:34]
mircea_popescu myeah. [23:34]
asciilifeform i still don't grasp, for instance, how a node loading headers (during warmup) knows that it is being fed actual headers [23:35]
asciilifeform and not diddled [23:35]
asciilifeform if lacks the blocks [23:35]
mircea_popescu "trust us" decentralized currency [23:36]
mircea_popescu to replace "in god we trust" fiat currency [23:36]
mircea_popescu FIAT MUST BE MAINTAINED! [23:36]
mircea_popescu your ability to verify, not nearly as important. [23:36]
asciilifeform i mean, i like 'muntzing' as much as anyone, but this here looks more like an actual moving part they snipped off [23:36]
asciilifeform did the phoundation so much as try to justify this? [23:37]
asciilifeform or was it more of a 'last version leaked, this one doesn't. shuddup & install.' [23:37]
asciilifeform what else do gavin et al intend to silently lose, is the inevitable thought [23:39]
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mircea_popescu anyway, if anyone's curious as to how exactly stuff like reddit or tardstalk work, here's a blow by blow, by a guy in the know : [23:39]
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mircea_popescu During the spring, Fenwick announced that they were going to pay summer associates only $2,100, which was below the $2,400 that most big firms in New York, LA and Chicago were paying their summers. Yet, right before we arrived in Palo Alto, Fenwick, along with every other Silicon Valley firm, announced that they were going to pay summers $2,400, commensurate with the big firms in other major cities. [23:40]
mircea_popescu What does this have to do with anything? Well, I was almost single-handedly responsible for Fenwick, and basically every other Silicon Valley firm, raising their summer associate salary from $2,100 to 2,400. How is that possible, you ask? The beauty of the internet, and the influence of an amazing website called [23:40]
mircea_popescu is a job-related website that has message boards on it, where anyone can anonymously post anything. The message boards are divided by region, one being for New York associates, one for Silicon Valley, one for Chicago, etc. These message boards, called “Greedy Associate” boards, had vaulted to fame in the preceding months as a means for associates at different firms to anonymously share information w [23:40]
mircea_popescu ith each other about salary, benefits, work conditions, anything they choose. One of the sparking events was when Gunderson, a relatively small firm in Silicon Valley, raised their starting associate salaries from somewhere around the industry average of $100,000 to $125,000. One of the first places this information was posted and disseminated was the messages boards on, and from that event, as well as [23:40]
mircea_popescu a few others like it, junior associates at all the major firms started sharing info with each other about the relative benefits and detriments of their particular firms on these Greedy Associate boards. [23:40]
mircea_popescu As a result of these developments, partners at all the majors firms monitored these message boards, looking for the latest gossip about their firms and their competing firms. They had to stay up to date, because a change in benefits in Firm A could mean a flood of ass [23:40]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:40]
mircea_popescu a flood of associates or law students to that firm, and away from Firm B, before Firm B even knew what was going on. [23:40]
mircea_popescu How does this relate to the story? The summer salaries had already been announced in New York at $2,400, and everyone was waiting for the Silicon Valley firms to announce their summer salaries [Fenwick had four major competitors in Silicon Valley at the time: Cooley, Wilson, and Brobeck (these are abbreviated names of law firms)]. Fenwick was the first to announce; they did so sometime around late April, and they annou [23:40]
mircea_popescu nced at $2,100, which was below NY salaries. [23:40]
mircea_popescu I was unhappy with this, so I immediately posted this info on the Silicon Valley/SF Greedy Associate board, and then, using four or five different anonymous screen names, proceeded to have a thread discussion on how horrible this was, how Fenwick was insulting it’s summers, how no one was going to accept their offers because the firm was so cheap it wouldn’t fork over the extra $300 a week, etc, etc [23:40]
mircea_popescu . I even used one of my aliases to play the other side. It was beautiful. Of the 20 messages on this topic on the first day, I probably posted 10 of them. I kept this up, at a slightly lower output, for about three days. [23:40]
mircea_popescu About a week after Fenwick’s announcement, and the resulting message board “explosion,” Wilson, a Fenwick competitor, announced they were paying summers $2,400. Each of the other Silicon Valley firms quickly fell in line after that, including Fenwick. [23:40]
mircea_popescu the author is one tucker max, famous for nothing in particular (and whose life story is instructive, in case any chickies born yesterday actually believe amanda hess or randi zuckerberg are "feminist" models, and something good for her, and failed to understand that is simply a fable about gawker. [23:41]
assbot The worm pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:41]
asciilifeform lol! [23:41]
asciilifeform classic muppetry [23:41]
mircea_popescu by now, there's an entire generation of essentially useless men hoping they will be able to make a living off this model. [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94097 @ 0.00037424 = 35.2149 BTC [+] {4} [23:42]
mircea_popescu tucker max at any rate quit law school for it, or to quote tlp [23:42]
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asciilifeform generation... ...hoping they will be able to make a living off this << straight to butugychag. [23:43]
danielpbarron is that tucker max? [23:45]
mircea_popescu well i can't seem to find it, but he has a bit about "you don't believe me ? then believe x, she was stupid enough to quit medical school to join x shartup and now is a relationships expert" [23:45]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron yes. [23:45]
danielpbarron i knew i read that before [23:46]
danielpbarron and sorry, thought i was scrolled all the way down [23:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform generation... ...hoping they will be able to make a living off this << straight to butugychag. < example. [23:48]
assbot Yo, Trilema Fratires! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:48]
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mircea_popescu "strategist". what is your strategy ? "i pretend like i matter on the internet" why ? "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS". [23:48]
mircea_popescu and you know "rudius media empire" was a thing, and some kids that meanwhile got jobs / wives / unsuspended sentences ACTUALLY BOUGHT INTO [23:49]
mircea_popescu incidentally i suppose, the quote also throws a harsh light over the widespreadness of price fixing in silicon valley. seriously, fucking law interns ? [23:52]
mircea_popescu instead of pretending like we're fixing the problem like preet, let's try and think about the causes. why do firms perceive the need to artificially cap salaries ? this seems only rational in an hyperinflationary environment. [23:53]
mircea_popescu why do businesses in a country that's struggling with the spectre of deflation - businesses locate in the prime rib of that country, even - have problems typical of hyperinflating environments ?! [23:53]
mircea_popescu was there a black death in the us nobody reported ? [23:53]
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