Forum logs for 31 Jan 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439046.0 << they're writing books now. | [00:02] |
ozbot | Our book gives you ★ PRIVACY ★ and ★ PRIZES ★ | [00:02] |
Dimsler_ | lol contest | [00:06] |
Dimsler_ | honestly that entire forum is a den of theives, liars, and fraudsters | [00:06] |
Dimsler_ | mircea_popescu, what did they sell btct.co for anyway/ | [00:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00089601 = 7.9297 BTC [-] | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | sold ? it was never sold. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | it just shut down. | [00:11] |
dub | What a viscous cycle. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [00:13] |
Apocalyptic | he's willing to sell it at least | [00:16] |
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herbijudlestoids | hullo | [00:30] |
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Neil | mircea_popescu: Seems I was right - bitbet gives you weight based on when bitbet processes the bet, not when the bet went in the blockchain... which is not good for extended downtime | [00:30] |
herbijudlestoids | here is the distribution of 10 tick log normalised returns in MPOE for the last 2 days http://imgur.com/bGRhQW5 | [00:31] |
herbijudlestoids | looks like a good skew | [00:31] |
pizzaman1337 | 2 days isn't much of a sample size though, is it? | [00:32] |
herbijudlestoids | similar formation to the 1 tick returns i plotted yesterday, seems like there is plenty of room for speculators | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | Neil yep | [00:32] |
herbijudlestoids | pizzaman1337: all i got so far :) but youre right small sample size | [00:32] |
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mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids looks remarkably centered tbh | [00:33] |
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herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: returns definitely seem to skew positively, the distribution does not show the commonly taken levy form that i usually see, more like poisson distribution | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | virginal | [00:34] |
herbijudlestoids | ? | [00:35] |
herbijudlestoids | i want to construct some kind of benchmark index from the different assets and use that to build information ratios etc | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids i mean, for prices to distribute normally it'd mean there;s not much meta activity going on | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | ie, virginal. | [00:36] |
azi` | does anyone happen to have any experience with cryptostocks.com? | [00:36] |
herbijudlestoids | financial timeseries vary rarely distribute normally | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | azi` yes. it's a scam. | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids yeah. | [00:37] |
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azi` | mircea_popescu: why is it? | [00:38] |
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herbijudlestoids | anyway these are just play charts until more data comes, just to get myself familiar with ingesting it and processing it... | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | see for instance the sad story of their own selfipo, linked an hour ago. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2014#468657 | [00:39] |
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pankkake | it's another one | [00:39] |
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mircea_popescu | no ?! | [00:40] |
pankkake | CipherTrade, CryptoTrade, CryptoStocks | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | ow fuck. | [00:40] |
azi` | so much of these sites these days | [00:41] |
pankkake | https://btcinve.com/ https://www.litecoininvest.com/ too | [00:41] |
ozbot | BTCInve | [00:41] |
azi` | so many scams.. | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | bad link azi. hang a second. | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140700.0;all | [00:42] |
ozbot | [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | there's tons of other stuff, this one is funny because the guy running it pretty much stole each and every possible way. | [00:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00584957 = 0.2983 BTC [+] {5} | [00:43] |
herbijudlestoids | sounds like old mrs clinton will be the next dem candidate | [00:45] |
lewicki | tough act to follow... | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | she doesn't even get the benefit of pms | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | lol i see goat is putting a lot of effort into perhaps a comeback. | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | that should go over well. | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | Neil you getting pm at all ? | [00:54] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04534966 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {2} | [01:10] |
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pankkake | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-01-30/ | [01:20] |
ozbot | Dilbert comic strip for 01/30/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. | [01:20] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC | [01:36] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.03200207 = 0.736 BTC [+] {4} | [01:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.03200182 = 0.704 BTC [-] {6} | [01:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 55 @ 0.02687298 = 1.478 BTC [-] {8} | [01:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511116 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2} | [01:41] |
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herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: if the trading volume of MPex picks up considerably, will you still be streaming orders via assbot? | [01:56] |
jurov | herbijudlestoids: assbot already aggregates orders | [01:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04899989 = 0.245 BTC [+] | [01:59] |
jurov | at least on his chan | [01:59] |
jurov | but #assets-trades could get into trouble cuz flooding | [01:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04899992 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} | [02:00] |
dub | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433280.msg4848691#msg4848691 | [02:00] |
ozbot | Selling 4.13M stolen DogeCoins | [02:00] |
dub | cant put anything past these shibes | [02:00] |
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KRS1 | those dirty dogs | [02:06] |
pankkake | scammers scamming scammers | [02:08] |
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mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids it already has picked up considerably. | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | dub remarkable how calous, 3rd world teh forum has become. | [02:12] |
dub | uh, lol? | [02:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5980 @ 0.00090133 = 5.39 BTC [+] | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | dude is back in there bumping his shit, not a care in the world etc. | [02:14] |
dub | like isk, doge has an implied level of lawlessness | [02:15] |
dub | lawl'essness too | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | which just happens to be over 9000 | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, teh diids pushing it should be just about running out of suckerpool. should be lulzy to see it unwind. | [02:17] |
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jurov | verily, they should build drones and take it inbetween them somewhere in desert | [02:24] |
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nubbins` | mircea_popescu: 4 hours too late, but i'm here now! | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` you know that guy ? | [02:25] |
nubbins` | which guy? not 100% caught up | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | DrahogErusiel | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | forum painter dood | [02:26] |
nubbins` | ah, don't know him, but those paintings he's selling look amazing | [02:26] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | well he's too clueless to know me, so do you wanna escrow his fee ? | [02:27] |
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twizt | lol amazing | [02:28] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [02:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [MS] 68 @ 0.005 = 0.34 BTC | [02:30] |
ThickAsThieves | "do you want to be a baby hitler or full grown?" | [02:33] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu, sure | [02:36] |
nubbins` | sorry, stepped away | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` so be a darling say so in the thred. | [02:37] |
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nubbins` | sure, got a link? | [02:39] |
nubbins` | i'll race ya | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | i'm screaming at wannabe pr outfits. | [02:40] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.msg4849162#msg4849162 | [02:40] |
ozbot | portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia | [02:40] |
nubbins` | "at the club, at the beach, or in the amazon. " | [02:41] |
nubbins` | ahahahah | [02:41] |
nubbins` | actually amazing | [02:41] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [02:41] |
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nubbins` | over the years, i've stopped taking "this would be great album art" as a compliment | [02:42] |
mircea_popescu | >D | [02:43] |
ThickAsThieves | "a company purchasing and selling convertible | [02:43] |
ThickAsThieves | virtual currency as an investment exclusively for the company’s benefit is not a money | [02:43] |
ThickAsThieves | transmitter. " ~ FINCEN | [02:43] |
nubbins` | so what the fuck is mike caldwell? | [02:43] |
nubbins` | these people.. | [02:43] |
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ThickAsThieves | also, | [02:43] |
ThickAsThieves | "The first ruling states that, to the extent a user creates or “mines” a convertible virtual currency solely for a user’s own purposes, the user is not a money transmitter under the BSA" | [02:44] |
nubbins` | solely for a user's own purposes | [02:44] |
ThickAsThieves | "If further clarification is needed, FinCEN encourages the submission of a request for an administrative ruling. The procedure for submission of administrative rulings can be found at FinCEN’s Web site" | [02:44] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/nr/pdf/20140130.pdf | [02:44] |
ThickAsThieves | the doc links to more docs with elaborations | [02:45] |
nubbins` | not sure which "official" thread is more pathetic, asicminer or cavirtex | [02:45] |
mircea_popescu | that's sad. | [02:46] |
ThickAsThieves | http://seekingalpha.com/article/1980641-visas-ceo-discusses-f1q-2014-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=5 | [02:48] |
ozbot | Visa Inc (V) news: Visa's CEO Discusses F1Q 2014 Results - Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha | [02:48] |
ThickAsThieves | asked about Bitcoin | [02:48] |
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ThickAsThieves | "And there’s certainly some interesting things about Bitcoin and other things like it, but there’s also a great deal of complexity. People talk about things like frictionless and things like that, and when you actually dig through it, it’s really not the case. It’s far more complex than that. And we feel very comfortable with the business that we have here." | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | famous last words. | [02:49] |
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nubbins` | he's right about frictionless | [02:51] |
herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: iv counted 46 ticks over 2 days, to compare to say the S&P 500 i would expect 46 ticks every 2 minutes? | [02:51] |
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mircea_popescu | that he is. | [02:52] |
herbijudlestoids | lets say the rate of trading goes up to 10 ticks an hour, will you still stream on irc? :D | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids afaik the limit is 1 per second. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | (freenode's) | [02:52] |
herbijudlestoids | coo | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, my point was more that the trades streamed when it was half a bitcoin worth 50 dollars, and it's still streaming when it's 50 bitcoins worth 50k | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | and from there to 50m is about the same distance. | [02:53] |
herbijudlestoids | not sure if youre talking to me, but do oyu really believe BTCUSD valued at 1mio? | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ | [02:54] |
benkay | of course | [02:55] |
benkay | herbijudlestoids ^^ | [02:55] |
jurov | if btc is to be small part of international trade | [02:55] |
benkay | this is a room of true believers ;) | [02:55] |
jurov | then it just has to go there | [02:55] |
herbijudlestoids | well the highest valuation i had heard so far was 798,000 | [02:55] |
benkay | oddly specific number. | [02:55] |
benkay | sounds like a winkle. | [02:55] |
herbijudlestoids | i take notes of oddly specific numbers | [02:55] |
herbijudlestoids | winkle? | [02:55] |
nubbins` | voss | [02:56] |
benkay | something a winklevii drops on the floor and nobody wants to touch | [02:56] |
ozbot | Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | lol ozbot delayed | [02:56] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.msg4849297#msg4849297 | [02:57] |
nubbins` | i tried! | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | john guy keeps disappearing. | [02:58] |
nubbins` | nod. | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, not the first time cluelessnes costs a guy his bread. | [02:58] |
nubbins` | sometimes for months at a time | [02:58] |
nubbins` | the "salty" he mentioned, i've done business with | [02:58] |
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nubbins` | just checked to see if he's in the wot, lel: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=saltyspitoon | [02:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00090076 = 10.3587 BTC [-] {3} | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | lol i guess it marginally qualifies. | [03:00] |
herbijudlestoids | hmmm | [03:00] |
deadweasel | so, mp, what kind of hitler are you? | [03:01] |
deadweasel | on da beach? in da muff? | [03:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.049 = 3.479 BTC [+] | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | no idea | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | artist's gotta have some freedom neh ? | [03:02] |
deadweasel | it seems to scare him.. | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | it's a sad time we live in when the close minded burgeois scares the revolutionary artists. | [03:02] |
deadweasel | he should do one like marge did of Monty Burns. | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | shouldn't it be the other backwards around ? | [03:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12786 @ 0.00090137 = 11.5249 BTC [+] | [03:03] |
deadweasel | i try not to should on things anymore, I'm always wrong. | [03:03] |
jurov | benkay, what??? are we are talking about the portrait you wanted to procure? | [03:03] |
nubbins` | relevant video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YLZc_gDMM | [03:03] |
nubbins` | i may have pasted that one here before | [03:04] |
benkay | dah what jurov? | [03:04] |
herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: have you ever heard of the freegold hypothesis? | [03:04] |
herbijudlestoids | i guess its one option you didnt consider | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | so i have | [03:04] |
jurov | someone wanted to procure mirceas portrait | [03:05] |
herbijudlestoids | i personally put some weight behind it | [03:05] |
jurov | and asked nubbins` to paint it | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids i don't see how it limits btc | [03:05] |
jurov | now i had some brainfart "that they want to paint him as hitler?" | [03:05] |
herbijudlestoids | it doesnt necessarily | [03:05] |
jurov | nevermind me | [03:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00090342 = 3.6137 BTC [+] | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids for that matter, bitcoin could actually be it. | [03:06] |
herbijudlestoids | some of the properties you apply to BTC apply equally (or more so) to gold and that is an asset that happens to already be on ECB balance sheet ;) | [03:06] |
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mircea_popescu | they don't apply to gold in any sense. | [03:07] |
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mircea_popescu | you're basically saying "the stuff i say about cars also applies to other locomobiles, such as steam powered train engines and horsedrawn carriages" | [03:08] |
herbijudlestoids | "Nevertheless, the pressure is unyielding : people holding Bitcoins have no practical incentive to get rid of them, and people trying to get rid of their increasingly worthless dollars have no recourse. " | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | sure, except fundamental issues prevent either from competing with the combustion engine. | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | and since there's no room for 2nd place, it will just be this. | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | much like the us has no train infrastructure, and uses trucks for everything. trains would be more effective for trucking, but gasoline engines are more effective overall and so... trains are fucked. | [03:09] |
herbijudlestoids | what youre proposing here is essentially BTC takes over the economic role of USD as global reserve asset | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | it takes over the role of everyting. usd, eur, rmb, sdr, gold, stupid facebook tokens, in-game currencies like isk, | [03:10] |
herbijudlestoids | no? so why do holders of Bitcoins have any practical incentive to hold them lol | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | likes, everything. | [03:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00090342 = 2.3489 BTC [+] | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | this is why visa can't compete, not really, even if it doesn't know it yet. | [03:11] |
herbijudlestoids | i personally feel that BTC makes a good medium of exchange but a poor store of value | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | they can't flawlessly merge ten billion likes into the value of an oil tanker. | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | that personal feel flies in the face of reality. | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | my wealth stored in btc has been doing better than anyone's any other wealth. | [03:12] |
deadweasel | mircea_popescu, at some point, don't you have to start worrying about physical security.. hired goons of the status quo and whatnot? | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | do you ? | [03:12] |
herbijudlestoids | so short term relative performance now equals reality? lulz | [03:13] |
deadweasel | i am not valuable to the status quo | [03:13] |
deadweasel | so no, not until my government runs phsyically amok | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | but you did buy like... a lock. | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | which was a % of your net worth. | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids well, reality is that which happens, you know ? | [03:14] |
herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: so if i do a quick stock scan and find all the global penny stocks that outperformed BTC since inception, wouldnt those actually be the best store of value :/ | [03:15] |
herbijudlestoids | surely you jest | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | for curiosity, do this : | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | find penny stocks worth < 1 cent per share in 2010 | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | that are now worth > 1000 dollars per share. | [03:15] |
deadweasel | lol | [03:15] |
jurov | ^ with billions total valuation | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | we're not talking six month's worth of pump and dump here. | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | we're talking four friggin years. | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | short term, yes. reality ? also yes. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | i'm kind-of curious if he actually finds one. afaik it doesn't exist. | [03:17] |
herbijudlestoids | your scan parameters are wrong | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | how so / | [03:18] |
herbijudlestoids | you should be looking for a 4Y ROC 100000% | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | 10k btc pizza actually happened in 2010. | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | mno. <1 cent to 1k usd = 10000000% | [03:19] |
herbijudlestoids | sorry yea, but the scan "1c to 1k" is wrong | [03:19] |
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mircea_popescu | (technically 10k btc for a 19 dollar pizza would mean 0.19 cents each, but we'll let that slide) | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | so scour the entire list of known pinks for anything matching it, i'm not picky. | [03:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00090139 = 14.6025 BTC [-] {2} | [03:20] |
benkay | pinks? | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | you can go all the way to 1950 for all i care. | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | benkay they used to be printed on pink paper. | [03:20] |
benkay | ha | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | that juicy moment when person suddenly realises the immensity of this shit. | [03:22] |
* | mircea_popescu waves to herbijudlestoids | [03:22] |
herbijudlestoids | give me a sec | [03:26] |
herbijudlestoids | took me a second to make the scan | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | i'ma go spank a girl till you find anything ? | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | poor her, that'd suck as a fate huh. | [03:27] |
herbijudlestoids | scanning now, largest so far is BIOM on LSE 46,959% | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | o i remember biom | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | foot prosthetics or something like that they did | [03:28] |
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herbijudlestoids | ok that was the biggest one | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | um | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | actually it seems it's not what i thought it was | [03:30] |
herbijudlestoids | about ~5 stocks in the 10-50,000 range | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | biome plc | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | well you see... 50k ain't 10mn. not even close. | [03:30] |
jurov | http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/#c2416 kakobrekla unicode fail | [03:30] |
ozbot | BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | some guy there is seriously named FICO ? | [03:31] |
jurov | local chars are missing | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | o o | [03:31] |
jurov | yes. robert fico | [03:31] |
herbijudlestoids | so maybe my maths is retarded but i calculated (1000-0.01)/0.01=99999% | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | well... i hope his credit is good... | [03:31] |
herbijudlestoids | so how did we get 10 million? | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | where did you get the % from ? | [03:32] |
herbijudlestoids | rate of change | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [03:32] |
kakobrekla | jurov bitbet doesnt like your char | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | so on the right you get a % for free ? | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | (10-5)/5 = 1% ? | [03:32] |
herbijudlestoids | o right, yea my maths is retarded gotta * 100 | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | those last two digits are the best two digits. | [03:33] |
herbijudlestoids | i guess up to oyu if you wanna use 4Y ROC as proof of its viability as a store of value but i dont feel very convinced | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | im not trying to convince you. i merely made the previous points. | [03:35] |
herbijudlestoids | yep | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | fact is so far it did so work. what the future brings... the future knows. | [03:35] |
herbijudlestoids | well it works inasmuch as you can convince people to join the BTC economy and exchange real good and services, and in cases where you cant it doesnt work | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | not at all. | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | this is like the intuition of everyone, but it's perfectly false. bitcoin works fine irrespective of what anyone does. | [03:37] |
herbijudlestoids | i doubt you actually expect that your net worth denominated in BTC would be equal to a fraction if you tried to convert it all at once to say USD or whatever | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | so you doubt. | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | you familiar with gresham's law ? | [03:37] |
herbijudlestoids | am i wrong? do you expect theres enough liquidity for you to make a transition like that without any loss? | [03:37] |
herbijudlestoids | yes | [03:37] |
herbijudlestoids | quite :) | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | ok so. it doesn';t matter what people do or don't do | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | merely the preference to save strong currencies and to spend weak ones ensures the price differential. | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | compared to anything else man made, bitcoin is adamantine. | [03:38] |
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herbijudlestoids | i swear i mentioned something about global reserve asset earlier | [03:39] |
herbijudlestoids | preference to save is enforced by the marginal global saver | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | so i mentioned something in 2011, what of it >D | [03:39] |
herbijudlestoids | what they save in is the store of value | [03:39] |
herbijudlestoids | you cant just call a currency the strong one for no reason. the use of a particular asset as a store of value by the marginal global saver(s) is what gives it that characteristic | [03:40] |
herbijudlestoids | i.e. what are those entities converting their productive surplus into | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | but i have an excellent statistical reason | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | that 10mn earlier. | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | no business in the history of business did anything like this | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | only currencies can, and only currencies do. | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | basically in the 2010-2014 the entire world had a zimbabwe moment | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | and didn't even know it. | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | (much like the actual peasants of zimbabwe, what do they know of finance) | [03:42] |
jurov | oh, they did notice ever fattening stacks of bills | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | i guess. and obama is increasing the minimum wage, and more qe, and more bailouts, and so on and so forth. | [03:43] |
herbijudlestoids | im not really sure what any of the above has to do with greshams law lol | [03:43] |
mircea_popescu | it's a better model than the "marginal saver", in that it relies less on statistical artificery. | [03:43] |
mircea_popescu | other than the statistical reason (ie, bitcoin is the strong currency because of its history) there are actually legions of other reasons. bitcoin is fungible, unlike any other fiat | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | (in that no court can order the de-fungibilisation of bitcoin) | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | in any dispute of currency the more fungible wins, period. | [03:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00426999 = 0.427 BTC [+] | [03:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 60 @ 0.00426999 = 0.2562 BTC [+] | [03:50] |
herbijudlestoids | i think youre a pretty smart guy, dont really want to get into a full blown thing so i will just say i disagree that through the lens of greshams law, bitcoin is the "strong currency" which savers have a preference to save in. if youre interested in maybe considering a different view heres FOFOA on the topic (a bit long) http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/bitcoin-open-forum-part-3.html | [03:51] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta appreciate this position is in no way novel to me, you know. | [03:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00426999 = 0.2135 BTC [+] | [03:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00090342 = 8.5373 BTC [+] | [03:52] |
herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: appreciate that | [03:52] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, moldbug is still shy on my bet | [03:52] |
mircea_popescu | ( http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ ) | [03:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 65 @ 0.00426999 = 0.2775 BTC [+] {2} | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | and you'll be well advised to take note that for all his childish posturing a) yarvin capitulated and tried to make his own bitcoin | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | b) which attempt bitcoin crushed. | [03:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00426999 = 0.1708 BTC [+] | [03:54] |
herbijudlestoids | hmmm well i would never have argued that the USG will shutdown bitcoin or that bitcoin will be worthless, those seem like two stupid things to bet on | [03:56] |
herbijudlestoids | although i would posit that considering the nature of centralisation of the internet currently, it might not be that hard for the USG to do so | [03:56] |
herbijudlestoids | also i dont think bitcoin is worthless, i think it has a considerable value as a medium of exchange | [03:56] |
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decimation | I think Mr. Yarvin was correct in his analysis about the game theory of bitcoin saving | [03:57] |
decimation | it's Gresham's law, as MP mentioned | [03:58] |
kakobrekla | hm i didnt know davinci way gay | [03:58] |
kakobrekla | was* | [03:58] |
decimation | he underestimated the avarice of those who would influence USG decisionmaking | [03:58] |
CheckDavid | how does gresham's apply to bitcoin' | [03:58] |
herbijudlestoids | can you please explain for us retards, how "bitcoin just is"? considering it requires a globally distributed network of hosts to constantly verify and transact? fractures introduced to the network topology, or similar, seem to argue against the idea that bitcoin is simply a mathematical construct. you need compute power and communication to implement and distribute the construct | [03:59] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids ironically, the medium of exchange function is the thing at which bitcoin sucks worst. | [04:00] |
decimation | It exists just like the democrats and republicans exist | [04:00] |
decimation | there's no reason why they exist really, everyone could change their minds tomorrow | [04:00] |
decimation | yet they don't | [04:00] |
decimation | and won't | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | since i'm doing a trilema retrospective apparently, here, see that : http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 | [04:00] |
herbijudlestoids | decimation: wut? is that seriously the answer? | [04:01] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla srsly ?! | [04:01] |
decimation | why not? | [04:01] |
kakobrekla | yea | [04:01] |
kakobrekla | www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsE0BwQ3l8U&feature=youtu.be&t=27m47s | [04:01] |
mircea_popescu | who else did you not know was gay ? elton john ? boy george ? | [04:01] |
mircea_popescu | queen lezzie ? | [04:01] |
kakobrekla | i dunno, i do not study these things. | [04:02] |
mircea_popescu | you don't study lezzies. | [04:02] |
herbijudlestoids | mircea_popescu: the comment you sent me seems to directly contradict your statement that bitcoin will replace everything | [04:03] |
decimation | LoL that German youtube guy "Der Diktator der Kunst ist Ideal." | [04:03] |
Dimsler_ | mircea_popescu, what are you estimate daily active users at | [04:03] |
Dimsler_ | currently | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids how so ? | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | Dimsler_ active users of what, pot ? i dunno, 50mn. | [04:03] |
Dimsler_ | btc | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea. there's like 7k or so full nodes iirc. | [04:03] |
herbijudlestoids | if it is to replace everything, how can it also "never be a direct means of payment for retail anything" | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | where's the contradiction ? | [04:04] |
mircea_popescu | has electricity replaced female labour in the house or hasn't it ? | [04:05] |
herbijudlestoids | well, i assume your "everything" includes direct means of payment for retail things, since you included even facebook ecash or whatever in your list of things it is to replace | [04:05] |
mircea_popescu | sure, it still needs appliances. | [04:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00090211 = 3.8791 BTC [-] | [04:05] |
mircea_popescu | you're going to have stuff built on top of btc to handle the subsidiary and marginal task of retail. | [04:05] |
mircea_popescu | but btc will dictate how these look and how they work and how they feel and even what retail is. | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | much like... no 1800s woman on her knees polishing the floors is much represented in the modern vacuum cleanner. | [04:06] |
decimation | There's no reason in principle why one couldn't extend bank credit which is convertible to claims on BTC | [04:07] |
decimation | Therefore no reason why you couldn't run a btc credit card | [04:07] |
decimation | of course you would want a non-retarded security model | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | actually, to clarify, "takes over" != "replaces". | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | at least, not in your reading. | [04:07] |
decimation | I'm also assuming the word "bank" means something different than the modern western concept | [04:08] |
decimation | like, the bank knows about your actual credit riskiness, rather than just accepting fiat insurance | [04:09] |
decimation | I donno, I came to bitcoin via Mr. Yarvin. In retrospect his doubts about Bitcoin look silly. | [04:10] |
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herbijudlestoids | ok, well im not really sure how bitcoin not being used for retail makes it a bad MoE, but ok thats your view | [04:13] |
herbijudlestoids | decimation: not really sure what your comment re republocrats was about, very far from the answer i was looking for | [04:13] |
herbijudlestoids | or even the type of answer | [04:13] |
decimation | well, what I was attempting to convey was the idea that bitcoin is contingent on coordination amoung many in a mysterious way | [04:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00090342 = 0.9486 BTC [+] | [04:15] |
decimation | In the same way, the US political parties stay in power even when both obviously operate against the interests of those who are coordinating | [04:15] |
herbijudlestoids | err if bitcoin is contingent on coordination then the statement "bitcoin just is" is false. | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids i merely said that out of the various functions, that happens to be the one it does worst. | [04:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144 @ 0.00090708 = 0.1306 BTC [+] | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't mean it's bad. just means it's much better at other things. | [04:16] |
herbijudlestoids | "bitcoin just is, as long as many coordinate in a mysterious way" | [04:17] |
decimation | Do you think the triangle is in a simliarly precarious position? | [04:17] |
herbijudlestoids | difference. | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | be so kind not to modify my statements by your discussions with third parties eh :D | [04:17] |
herbijudlestoids | sorry mircea_popescu | [04:17] |
herbijudlestoids | decimation: how much crack do you smoke? | [04:17] |
decimation | Indeed. | [04:17] |
herbijudlestoids | surely by now your dealer must know you by first name | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | the mark of the true junkie : he keeps a stable of dealers, rather than the other way around | [04:19] |
kakobrekla | up his ass, or ? | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:21] |
decimation | http://about.bloomberglaw.com/legal-news/new-york-state-regulator-promises-tough-bitcoin-rules/ | [04:21] |
ozbot | New York State Regulator Promises Tough Bitcoin Rules - Bloomberg Law | [04:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00166253 = 0.3325 BTC [+] | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | lol new york, trying hard to outdo new jersey | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | “If the choice for regulators is to permit money laundering on the one hand, or to permit innovation on the other, we are always going to choose squelching the money laundering first,” Lawsky said at the hearing. | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | win. | [04:22] |
decimation | Indeed. Exactly as you predicted, the regulators are more than happy to cede currency regulation to Bitcoin, if Bitcoin allows them to crowbar their banks. | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | it's funny tho, making exactly the wrong moves. you couldn't pay them to be this conveniently stupid. | [04:24] |
decimation | The hilarious part to me is that they think their "bitlicense" will allow to them dictate to bitcoin, rather than the other way around | [04:24] |
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mircea_popescu | bitcoin was taken to $10 by lulz, to $100 by lulz and drama and to $1000 by lulz, drama and mining. | [04:25] |
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decimation | It's going to go to > 1 mil based on this stuff | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | i guess with the extra "watch us fail" boost 10k may even be possible | [04:26] |
decimation | It's because a few indiviuals in key positions think they can ride the wave of terror to power | [04:26] |
Dimsler_ | i think 50k will be possible | [04:26] |
Dimsler_ | i think the run up will be one that nobody will be expecting | [04:26] |
Dimsler_ | from the historical research on bubles i've read | [04:26] |
Dimsler_ | 50k is quite possible | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | “If that same company can be started in the U.K. or Germany, maybe that innovation just gets pushed offshore,” Liew said. | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | "Nobody will care that the original paper may have been written by an American and the original discussion on the long forgotten original Bitcoin forum was carried in English. I can deal just as well with Russian investors, I can deal just as well with Chinese investors, Bitcoin is completely neutral from a cultural perspective. This neutrality means that cultures will have to compete. So far the US is losing this comp | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | etition at this level. If things don’t get fixed soon the only thing that we’ll be able to say for sure about Bitcoin regulation will be that it won’t be written in English, and it won’t consider US interests or sensibilities." | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | mircea popescu said | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | except... you know, a little earlier. | [04:27] |
decimation | Yep | [04:27] |
Dimsler_ | well i dont' really want to deal with the west | [04:27] |
decimation | " | [04:27] |
Dimsler_ | btc-e is russian so is g.hash | [04:27] |
decimation | Lawsky at times sympathized with the goals of the investors at the hearing, complaining that it could take ?days? to pay his credit card from a bank account. And he criticized fees immigrants pay to send money home, and welcomed the chance to use Bitcoin to reduce the costs. | [04:27] |
decimation | ?That?s a huge thing, for the country and New Yorkers,? Lawsky said. | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ | [04:27] |
Dimsler_ | both operate in secrecay | [04:27] |
ozbot | The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [04:27] |
Dimsler_ | under silence | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | "This is possibly the last chance to take those piles of fundamentally worthless US dollars and use them for something with any sort of future value." | [04:28] |
Dimsler_ | the way it should be | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | last chance came... and went. | [04:28] |
decimation | It's a huge thing for New Yorkers indeed. | [04:28] |
herbijudlestoids | lol it went? | [04:28] |
herbijudlestoids | yet it could still go to 50k? | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | “The Bitcoin ecosystem of companies and investors has to engage to allay real concerns and avoid being pigeonholed by policy makers,” Klein said. | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha! HAS TO ? | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | lol. listen to them go | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids yup. | [04:29] |
herbijudlestoids | implication is that its no longer possible to exchange USD for something with any sort of future value... | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | you're trapped in this mental representation wherein stuff can only happen with permission. this is not how things happen. your choice is whether you're on the boat when it sails or not. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | your choice is not whether the boat sails, or when. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | or how, or where to. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | not practically, no. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | technically it is still possible, but in retrospect it' | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | ll be one of those things that "could hav been" | [04:31] |
herbijudlestoids | im not trapped in any such mental representation and dont really believe for example that a BTCUSD price punctuation event would need "permission" to occur lol | [04:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20128 @ 0.00090108 = 18.1369 BTC [-] {2} | [04:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC | [04:31] |
decimation | what controlling factor would limit its rise? | [04:32] |
herbijudlestoids | if the possibility came and went then the implication is that people *today* have literally no option for investment...so BTCs are out for those people? | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | well, i dun know what you think, obviously. im merely noticing that what you say comes from this one point of view. | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids the article was discussing investors, you know ? | [04:32] |
herbijudlestoids | right | [04:32] |
Dimsler_ | more lke speculators | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | now, people do have options. it's just they won't take them. | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | there's options you have, and then there's options you actually can take. | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | some are forbidden, some just escape your view. | [04:33] |
herbijudlestoids | but the opportunity has not gone | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | technically. | [04:33] |
herbijudlestoids | you said it has gone :P | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | in practice, it's gone. | [04:33] |
Dimsler_ | what are we talking about | [04:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00089833 = 11.274 BTC [-] {2} | [04:33] |
Dimsler_ | whats gone? | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | if back in april wanna-be investors had actually invested, the us still had a chance. | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | should have started earlier, but there was still space. | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | by now... heh. hardly. | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | Dimsler_ link above. | [04:34] |
Dimsler_ | are we talking about btc speculation? | [04:34] |
decimation | There are only a few more orders of magnitude of growth left before it becomes the world trade currency | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | decimation the people are more important. | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | the fact that andressen horovitz is not in the wot today dooms it. | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | should have been in the wot two years ago. | [04:34] |
decimation | Or Paul Singer? | [04:34] |
Dimsler_ | fucking jew | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | or whoever. | [04:34] |
decimation | http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/01/28/hedge-fund-manager-paul-singer-shocked-by-bitcoin-popularity/ | [04:35] |
ozbot | Hedge-Fund Manager Paul Singer ‘Shocked’ by Bitcoin Popularity - MoneyBeat - WSJ | [04:35] |
Dimsler_ | bitcoins not that popular | [04:35] |
Dimsler_ | 4mil users? | [04:35] |
Dimsler_ | lol | [04:35] |
Dimsler_ | maybe 500k active | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids let's examine the following avenue : maddoff's "investments" collapsed like so much termite eaten furniture. | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | why was this ? | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | "mismanagement" right ? "misrepresentation", right ? | [04:36] |
Dimsler_ | maddoff ran a pyramid scheme | [04:36] |
Dimsler_ | fed by blind greed | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | well... what exactly is this misrepresentation ? what is its substance ? | [04:36] |
Dimsler_ | there wasn't any | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | a cluelessness about the real value of assets, which may as well mean "buying US stocks" as it may mean "moving money from our account to our account" | [04:37] |
Dimsler_ | well the problem with US stocks is they all suck | [04:37] |
Dimsler_ | unless you're buying tobacco or liquor | [04:37] |
decimation | US stocks are a trival case of the CEO's pirating money from the "investor's" 401k accounts | [04:37] |
herbijudlestoids | madoffs investments collapsed because of a cluelessness about the real value of assets? | [04:37] |
Dimsler_ | everything else sucks | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | can you prove to me the entire troop of us hedge funds aren't little maddofs running around, shielded by "industry standards" ? | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids yes. you disagree ? | [04:37] |
herbijudlestoids | not sure that statement made much sense to me | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | ok. let's get to the bottom of this. | [04:38] |
Dimsler_ | how does it not make any sense | [04:38] |
herbijudlestoids | but i can prove to you quite easily through factor decomposition that most US hedge funds are not doing anything special at all | [04:38] |
Dimsler_ | the US stock market is a giant boiler room | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | maddoff's balancesheet, before the collapse, showed some assets. | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | right ? | [04:38] |
Dimsler_ | a game of hotpotatoe | [04:38] |
Dimsler_ | refer to current price of facebook stock | [04:38] |
herbijudlestoids | i wish people would stop interrupting your interesting comments with inane bullshit so i can try to understand | [04:38] |
Dimsler_ | huge market cap, little revenue | [04:38] |
asciilifeform | "can you prove to me the entire troop of us hedge funds aren't little maddofs running around, shielded..." << i can prove that this /must/ be so | [04:38] |
Dimsler_ | little value | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids no such luck on irc :) | [04:39] |
herbijudlestoids | stfu morons | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:39] |
Dimsler_ | i'm summerizing his comments | [04:39] |
Dimsler_ | into peasent english for you | [04:39] |
Dimsler_ | to understand | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | it'll be a pm discussion. | [04:39] |
herbijudlestoids | your summary is about as useful as the stupid analogy that decimation gave earlier. | [04:39] |
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mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids dja know how to use the pm system ? | [04:40] |
Apocalyptic | keep it in the chan mircea_popescu if you can | [04:41] |
Apocalyptic | herbijudlestoids, just /ignore people that annoy you | [04:41] |
kakobrekla | you have just been ignored. | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic i'll just publish the thing when we're done | [04:42] |
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TomServo | I got all excited and ran out of log. :( | [04:47] |
kakobrekla | lmaio | [04:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.0009054 = 7.3337 BTC [+] {2} | [04:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00090024 = 16.6094 BTC [-] | [04:49] |
decimation | If not bitcoin, than some other cryptocurrency. And if any cryptocurrency, than bitcoin. | [04:50] |
decimation | asciilifeform you mention on your blog your efforts to discover the inner workings of FPGAs - have you made enough progress to create a self-modifying compute unit? | [04:55] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: depends what you mean by 'self-modifying' | [04:56] |
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asciilifeform | the protocol for pumping in the 'bitstream' is simple and documented; | [04:57] |
decimation | I mean that it can program itself after design time | [04:57] |
asciilifeform | the correspondence between each bit of the bitstream and the internal logic of the fpga is a $billion secret | [04:57] |
decimation | ah | [04:57] |
asciilifeform | the reason for this secrecy is interesting and perverse | [04:57] |
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asciilifeform | the major vendors earn far more renting out 'cores' (read: libraries, for things like ethernet and pci) than through selling the chips per se. | [04:58] |
decimation | Why hasn't something like "opencores" largely replaced that? | [04:59] |
asciilifeform | because the opencores libs aren't optimized for a particular fpga | [04:59] |
asciilifeform | and therefore have mediocre-to-poor performance on most jobs | [04:59] |
asciilifeform | take, for instance, sdram controllers | [04:59] |
asciilifeform | if you don't optimize for a particular fpga, you can't get anything close to the maximum rated clock of the sdram in question | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | because each logic element (incl. switch matrix) in the path is an extra few ns. of delay | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | and the whole shebang is speed-limited by its 'weakest link' (longest delay) | [05:00] |
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decimation | Is it a clock speed question or is it a quantity of gates question? | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | those are directly related. but yes, both. | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | likewise, each vendor (and even particular flavours of fpga from same vendor) provides slightly different building blocks on top of the usual LUTs | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | e.g. multipliers, shift registers, etc | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | if your design maps well to what you have, you get decent (minimal) 'footprint' and speed | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | if not, then not. | [05:02] |
decimation | Interesting. So these companies make their money by building proprietary cores on top of their proprietary chips. | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | the closed architectures are motivated not only by fear of reverse-engineered licensed cores, but | [05:03] |
asciilifeform | they have an incentive to make it as painful as possible to write anything from scratch | [05:03] |
decimation | So they insert an artifical layer of indirection in the hardware and give you an opaque software layer to undo it | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | not quite artificial | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | the internals really are somewhat complicated | [05:05] |
decimation | So, why doesn't some no-name Chinese fab make a relatively "generic" chip and take over the market? | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | likewise, the vendor software usually includes a mountain of 'travelling salesman' optimization trickery licensed from hell knows where | [05:05] |
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decimation | I guess it wouldn't include said trickery | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | the chinese, according to some, do make clones of various Xilinx units | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | but presumably they simply use pirated tool chain | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | just like soviet pdp clones often ran unmodified pirated os | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | that was sort of the whole point | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | avoid the dev work | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | you don't actually need to understand very much about an IC design to clone it. | [05:07] |
decimation | Presuming you have the mask? | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | you can get the mask. | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | (it's in there, after all.) | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | this is how soviet clones of DEC chips ended up exact duplicates, complete with the (poorly translated, with a dictionary, by DEC) profanities | [05:08] |
Apocalyptic | mircea, fair enough | [05:11] |
decimation | Do you think there will ever be a day when hardware makers find it in their interest to peddle hardware that has an accessible interface? | [05:13] |
decimation | Or will they always be beholden to chasing after some lock-in dream? | [05:13] |
asciilifeform | transparent hardware -> $, lock-in -> $$$$$$ | [05:14] |
decimation | And yet, bunnie points out that freescale has opened the docs for their ARM clone | [05:14] |
asciilifeform | docs only, or the complete chip mask and sources for the latter ? | [05:15] |
asciilifeform | highly doubt (2), if only because arm is a licensed product | [05:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9688 @ 0.00090525 = 8.7701 BTC [+] {2} | [05:16] |
decimation | I suspect only datasheet/programming model | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | interestingly, the earliest (late '80s) fpgas did not have this problem | [05:16] |
decimation | and they probably only open that because they are a two-bit player | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | they were well-documented and extremely simple, because they were originally just a substitute for buckets of PALs/GALs | [05:17] |
asciilifeform | no one would've dreamed of trying to implement a cpu on one | [05:17] |
asciilifeform | a few thousand gates, max | [05:17] |
asciilifeform | today there are fpgas with several mil. of gates, costing in the high five figures (u.s. dollar) | [05:18] |
asciilifeform | and you still won't get layout docs | [05:18] |
nubbins` | i downloaded an osx program the other day, double-clicked to open, "this application was not created by an authorized developer" or some such | [05:18] |
nubbins` | had to right-click and select open | [05:18] |
nubbins` | :( | [05:19] |
decimation | Plus, good luck achieving max clock rate and not melting the chip | [05:19] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the vendor toolchain usually calculates your maximum clock rate, based on theoretical path delays (usually a conservative figure, as you'd expect) | [05:19] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: welcome to the Nintendoized world | [05:20] |
decimation | suppose your design occupies most of the gates and ends up clocking nearly all of them at max rate. | [05:20] |
decimation | It seems that at some point you are going to need more current | [05:21] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform, i always was curious about the "walled garden!!" type people who also owned consoles | [05:21] |
nubbins` | no fuckin shit it's a walled garden, y'know? | [05:21] |
nubbins` | that said, nothing more than a mild inconvenience to disable the feature, i'm sure | [05:21] |
asciilifeform | decimation: vendor usually specifies a max current. and then you go, X cm^s, Y watts dissipated, need such and such heat sink... | [05:21] |
asciilifeform | *cm^2 | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: don't be surprised if mac os '11' or whatnot simply refuses to run 'unsigned' apps | [05:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00084426 = 0.103 BTC [+] | [05:23] |
decimation | nubbins` - I enjoyed your German painter link. "Der Diktator der Kunst ist Ideal." | [05:23] |
decimation | that's the obvious next step for apple to take | [05:24] |
decimation | I believe they have unofficially said as much | [05:24] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform, that'd be the worry, but i don't think it'll happen any time soon | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | never forget why MS bailed out apple in the '90s. | [05:24] |
nubbins` | decimation, jonathan meese is an intense man | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | apple is the 'good cop' in a classic 'good cop / bad cop' number. | [05:25] |
nubbins` | don't get me wrong, they'll fuck ya raw all kinds of ways for a buck | [05:26] |
herbijudlestoids | after a rigorous discussion on bitcoin, i always top it off with a quick | [05:27] |
herbijudlestoids | .bait | [05:27] |
ozbot | http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mas3ygVSjO1qeoz8ro1_1280.jpg | [05:27] |
nubbins` | but i don't think there's enough to gain from blocking all unsigned apps for them to risk it | [05:27] |
decimation | Ascii, have you considered that the insecurity of MS (and apple) crapware now justifies the Pentagon's budgets? | [05:27] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i get to consider this every day, for money. | [05:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00090052 = 12.157 BTC [-] | [05:28] |
nubbins` | heh | [05:28] |
decimation | For the amount of money the USG shovels into the beltway bandits, we could have your princely secure terminals | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | ms turned the 'email virus' from an urban legend into reality, single-handed. | [05:29] |
Apocalyptic | herbijudlestoids, so you guys are done ? | [05:29] |
herbijudlestoids | im baitin arent i? | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | the software 'industry' has the memory of an alzheimer's patient. it's like the '90s never happened. | [05:30] |
nubbins` | the number of lost hours alone spent making websites work with ie6 | [05:31] |
asciilifeform | and ms isn't a company in the sense of, say, coca cola (or even the original 'standard oil') - it's a crown monopoly | [05:31] |
nubbins` | (and 7, 8, 9) | [05:31] |
asciilifeform | if no consumer ever bought a winblows pc in a retail shop again, it would survive in something close to its current size, simply from the government largesse | [05:32] |
herbijudlestoids | asciilifeform: interesting thought, i hear yesterday the UK endorsed ODF for all documents in the future | [05:32] |
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nubbins` | "we can't open this, can you send it in .doc?" | [05:33] |
Apocalyptic | better send it as niggers.txt | [05:33] |
asciilifeform | the real one? | [05:33] |
asciilifeform | or the ms 'embrace and extend'ed turd | [05:33] |
nubbins` | odf 3.11 | [05:33] |
herbijudlestoids | they just spec ODF | [05:33] |
herbijudlestoids | so i guess real one | [05:34] |
KRS1 | .bait | [05:36] |
ozbot | http://24.media.tumblr.com/f9beca3d51fae9d5dc21e04e6af4d781/tumblr_movloedp6C1ssfdiao1_1280.jpg | [05:36] |
KRS1 | rawr | [05:36] |
decimation | I guess when peasants buy computers, peasant computing is what we get | [05:36] |
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mircea_popescu | for people who were curious : http://trilema.com/2014/no-argument/ the discussion | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | TomServo ^ | [05:52] |
herbijudlestoids | haha i got a little lost in the post where you offered 10BTC to the guy to put a sharpie in his butt | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | herbijudlestoids you found your way to where i used that same sharpie to rape something awful ? | [05:54] |
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herbijudlestoids | newp, reading the "I can't even" now lol | [05:55] |
herbijudlestoids | this sentence "Right that, right there, even if she spent the entire interval nude, made soap out of her own sebum and ate food stampsvi you would not be able to cover cost." ...i feel like....i love this sentence | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | yw. | [05:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00090024 = 2.0706 BTC [-] | [05:57] |
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decimation | I like the shout-out to "ham radio" | [06:04] |
asciilifeform | re: the btcapocalypse: still seems to me like it would be wise to invent the parachute before, rather than after, being pushed out of the plane. | [06:05] |
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herbijudlestoids | asciilifeform: pls explain for retards | [06:06] |
asciilifeform | would help to get the 'ham radio' / mesh network / btc-over-pigeon system now, rather than when it becomes the only possible means of running the network. | [06:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17574 @ 0.00090052 = 15.8257 BTC [+] | [06:07] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the one critique i have to this is that should it be invented afore, it'll then necessarily be known afore. this is perhaps unideal. bitcoin was invented before or after ? does it work because it was invented after ? would it have, were it invented before ? | [06:07] |
decimation | indeed, that sounds quite fun | [06:07] |
herbijudlestoids | asciilifeform: i agree with the idea of building the infrastructure so that it doesnt necessarily need the internet | [06:07] |
mircea_popescu | admitting you agree the parachute moment was at the latest nixon | [06:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 326 @ 0.00090194 = 0.294 BTC [+] | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | my argument isn't even that 'the great anti-btc firewall of earth' is coming, but that modern telecom is an extremely fragile beast | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | restructured like that i have nothing. | [06:09] |
asciilifeform | mesh net is surprisingly easy, but largely non-existent because there is very little commercial incentive | [06:11] |
asciilifeform | (actually, strong incentive in the other direction) | [06:11] |
herbijudlestoids | there is a couple of interesting mesh options happening | [06:11] |
herbijudlestoids | the obvious ones everyone knows about | [06:11] |
herbijudlestoids | but also gnunet has some support for the concept, including the ability to inject packets directly onto a WLAN device without need any existing network | [06:11] |
asciilifeform | even ignoring various 'license-free' radio bands, you can easily send bits to everyone on your side of your mains power step-down transformer | [06:12] |
decimation | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/egypt-isp-shutdown/ | [06:12] |
ozbot | Egypt Shut Down Its Net With a Series of Phone Calls | Threat Level | Wired.com | [06:12] |
decimation | ?There are a handful of big providers you would need to coordinate with and they are all licensees of the state telecom, so they are all beholden to the Telecommunication Regulatory Authority, so your license is dependent on following the rules,? Labovitz said. | [06:12] |
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asciilifeform | anyone interested in the subject would do well to understand the basic principles of 'spread spectrum' | [06:13] |
herbijudlestoids | i would bet on this for mesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet | [06:13] |
herbijudlestoids | new version out recently for 30c3 | [06:13] |
asciilifeform | where, in principle, one can radiate sufficiently little at any given point of spectrum to make classical triangulation virtually impossible | [06:13] |
herbijudlestoids | mesh adoption is sort of like bitcoin adoptoin tho | [06:13] |
herbijudlestoids | how do you convince everyone to run a client, and in the end most "consumers" run it from the cloud anyway | [06:14] |
asciilifeform | since this would have to be a piece of physical hardware, the only solution afaik is to manufacture a tremendous number of widgets and give them away. | [06:14] |
herbijudlestoids | oooo | [06:14] |
herbijudlestoids | thats an interesting idea. | [06:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00090194 = 5.9077 BTC [+] | [06:15] |
asciilifeform | bonus points if you can engineer the net to make operating a node a profitable affair, like btc mining | [06:15] |
herbijudlestoids | theres one like that, tornet | [06:16] |
herbijudlestoids | i mentioned it to those bitcloud cunts but they didnt care | [06:16] |
herbijudlestoids | too busy hyping | [06:16] |
asciilifeform | in fact, now that i think of it, btc is the missing puzzle piece in the ancient problem of bootstrapping a global radio mesh. | [06:16] |
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herbijudlestoids | admittedly i dunno how mature the code is or what. https://github.com/bytemaster/tornet | [06:16] |
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Duffer1 | S.NSA's next project ascii? :P | [06:17] |
asciilifeform | no, just idle wankery | [06:17] |
herbijudlestoids | .bait | [06:17] |
ozbot | http://24.media.tumblr.com/fea5bcb598057af6a03fea1481a8ade8/tumblr_modk7pS59M1r71nhmo1_500.jpg | [06:17] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> in fact, now that i think of it, btc is the missing puzzle piece in the ancient problem of bootstrapping a global radio mesh. << /me grins | [06:21] |
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mircea_popescu | btc is in fact the missing piece in the ancient problem of bootstrapping everything of this sort. | [06:22] |
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jayk | ;o | [06:24] |
kakobrekla | even the parachute. | [06:24] |
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mircea_popescu | fun fact : parasuta is, in romanian, yet another word for whore. | [06:25] |
herbijudlestoids | do romanians have lots of words for whore? | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | possibly the most. | [06:26] |
herbijudlestoids | wow they do. | [06:26] |
herbijudlestoids | but your one isnt on there | [06:27] |
herbijudlestoids | http://translate.google.com/#auto/ro/whore | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | petarda (ie, firecracker) ; zdreanta (used scrap of cloth) ; there's prolly 100+ | [06:27] |
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herbijudlestoids | ah right you include colloquialisms | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | all romanian is one huge colloquialism | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | lele actually wouldn't be recognised as such. it's a disused word and most speakers would only take it as an antiquated form for older sister/girlfriend | [06:28] |
mircea_popescu | dama either, it roughly covers the us "dame" | [06:28] |
herbijudlestoids | yeah you can see the little bar next to it shows google isnt as sure as for the other words | [06:28] |
mircea_popescu | jesus google is shitty, there's a conjunctive verbal form there, definitely can't work as a noun nor does it mean whore. | [06:28] |
mircea_popescu | a yeah. | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | wait, drab means whore in english ?! | [06:29] |
herbijudlestoids | probly the entire thing is done by machine learning and no validation ;) | [06:30] |
herbijudlestoids | so to the machine, somehow drab is somewhere on the synonym chain for whore | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | no, it does. wonder of wonders. | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | hey kakobrekla : it's not just slovenly, it's also slatternly! | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | does slatterna exist somewhere around / | [06:31] |
herbijudlestoids | haha slatterna is a place in sweden | [06:31] |
herbijudlestoids | ho ho ho i wonder | [06:31] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google trilema poftiti la muie | [06:32] |
gribble | No matches found. | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | eh come on. | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | btw herbijudlestoids do yourself a favour get in the wot today. | [06:34] |
herbijudlestoids | im in it, do you mean identify myself? | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | o you are ? ok then. | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | noobs usually don't figure it out/need prodding. | [06:35] |
herbijudlestoids | vexual and bingoboingo told me to go on i tthe other day | [06:35] |
herbijudlestoids | i signed up because i do what im told! | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | good for you | [06:35] |
herbijudlestoids | but nobody will rate me, so i cant rate bingoboingo as a 10 based on his sexual attractiveness | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | o you know those two drunks ?! | [06:35] |
herbijudlestoids | i do not know them specifically except in their capacity as people i also briefly spoke to on this chan :P vex at least lives in same country and likes similar music | [06:36] |
Duffer1 | i suspect at least one of his buttcoins is actually him... | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | well... at least i presume vexual drinks. tho it could be any number of things :D | [06:36] |
herbijudlestoids | whats the point of being on the WoT? dont i need to transact to get rating? i dont plan on transacting :P | [06:37] |
herbijudlestoids | well not soon anyway | [06:37] |
Duffer1 | even if you don't transact you're still learning the right habits | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | the point is that if anyone needs to figure out wtf you're up to they know who to ask | [06:38] |
Duffer1 | gpg is useful knowledge | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | ie, the people they know that rated you | [06:38] |
herbijudlestoids | yeah i knew gpg and stopped using it when they invented OTR | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | otr is a diff usecase. | [06:38] |
herbijudlestoids | literally had to create a new key cos i forgot my password | [06:38] |
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herbijudlestoids | well, it wasnt for me obviously ;) | [06:39] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [06:39] |
herbijudlestoids | i think i have not signed or encrypted anything with a GPG key in years | [06:39] |
mircea_popescu | otr ensures you that your messages can only be read at one point on the network, and that once the conversation is ended anyone could have written it. | [06:39] |
mircea_popescu | gpg keeps the content of the conversation secret. | [06:39] |
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herbijudlestoids | let me explain: i used to conduct various communications using GPG over email. now i use a combination of tails, i2p and pidgin+OTR or i2pmessenger+OTR | [06:40] |
herbijudlestoids | thats why i stopped using GPG | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | was i2p strong ? i don't even remember | [06:42] |
herbijudlestoids | strong enough for my purposes | [06:42] |
herbijudlestoids | i was a user back when it was just iip over irc so i guess iv got a softspot for it | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | o look, they got .i2p | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | hey, did namecoin end up stealing THEIR code ? | [06:43] |
herbijudlestoids | what do you mean? afaik .i2p is not a globally resolvable namespace | [06:43] |
herbijudlestoids | its just like a hostsfile except called addressbook | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | you know there's a coin that basically does dns | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | sort-of | [06:44] |
herbijudlestoids | are you talking of namecoin? | [06:44] |
herbijudlestoids | personally i prefer implementations like the GNUnet Name System (GNS) | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [06:44] |
herbijudlestoids | but dont have much requirement for globally resolvable namespace in darknets anyway | [06:45] |
herbijudlestoids | (personally) | [06:45] |
herbijudlestoids | i thought there was some flaw discovered in namecoin that killed adoption | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | not afaik | [06:45] |
kakobrekla | you cant kill something that isnt there | [06:45] |
herbijudlestoids | http://www.coindesk.com/namecoin-flaw-patch-needed/ | [06:45] |
herbijudlestoids | is that article incorrect? | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | a, no. it's just more recent than i've been paying attention. | [06:47] |
Apocalyptic | it's been resolved since | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | i have more like a 6 months span on stuff that far on the periphery | [06:48] |
herbijudlestoids | Apocalyptic: o so patched and all good again? | [06:48] |
Apocalyptic | yup | [06:48] |
herbijudlestoids | maybe i should convert my 0.02BTC into NMC and buy mpex.bit | [06:48] |
herbijudlestoids | just to piss off mircea_popescu | [06:48] |
herbijudlestoids | :D | [06:49] |
mircea_popescu | lol save it for when you run into teh trilema paywal | [06:49] |
Apocalyptic | then sell it for 100btc | [06:49] |
mircea_popescu | lol there's going to be the piss-mp-off gem on the fgorum, people buying it from each other on the grounds that any day now it'll piss me off | [06:50] |
Apocalyptic | lol, someone registered impex.bit, but mpex.bit is still free | [06:50] |
Duffer1 | mpex.bit the latest fuffle | [06:51] |
Apocalyptic | get it while it's hot | [06:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15498 @ 0.00090315 = 13.997 BTC [+] {3} | [06:52] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04998999 = 0.2499 BTC [+] | [06:53] |
herbijudlestoids | seems cheap for domains | [06:54] |
herbijudlestoids | 0.01NMC, you could register every word in the english dictionary for not much NMC | [06:54] |
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herbijudlestoids | compared to how much itd cost to get the equivalent .coms | [06:55] |
Duffer1 | seems like an interesting way to attack the coin | [06:55] |
Duffer1 | buy the dictionary | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't there some sort of limit in place ? | [06:55] |
Duffer1 | oh no idea | [06:56] |
Apocalyptic | not afaik mircea_popescu | [06:56] |
Apocalyptic | and how would you enforce such a limit ? | [06:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999813 = 0.55 BTC [+] {2} | [06:56] |
mircea_popescu | Since domains are extremely cheap to obtain with Namecoin, and registered domains cannot be seized (they can only be transferred by their owner), Namecoin has had problems with cybersquatters buying up domains, hoping to resell them later for a profi | [06:57] |
mircea_popescu | seems the dictionary's already bought, pretty much. | [06:58] |
Duffer1 | that's unfortunate | [06:59] |
Duffer1 | i can't imagine how they'd solve that issue | [06:59] |
Duffer1 | other than by making domains unrealistically expensive | [06:59] |
mircea_popescu | there's no good solutions to thisproblem. | [07:00] |
Apocalyptic | ^ | [07:00] |
decimation | https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-439.txt | [07:01] |
decimation | Ziff-Davis did some research using some of the bitcoin chain tracking software, tracing four addresses which were used and were determined from multiple CryptoLocker victims who, after paying their money, made public the address that they had sent payment to. The CryptoLocker extortionware acquired a total of 41, just shy of 42,000 bitcoins, 41,928 bitcoins. | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | lol is this the nut with the "fix your harddrive spin" nonsense / | [07:03] |
decimation | heh yeah. sorry I couldn't find a better reference. | [07:03] |
decimation | he has a mildly informative podcast which occasionally has interesting tidbits | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, this seems dubious on the face. | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | dudes had to pay what, 2btc each ? | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | if they get the 42k value by looking at which addresses those 2 btc were spent | [07:04] |
herbijudlestoids | yea 2 for the first version and then less for v2 | [07:04] |
decimation | They dropped it to 0.3 btc | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | they're 99% certain looking at some exchange hotwallet. | [07:04] |
herbijudlestoids | steve gibson lol | [07:04] |
herbijudlestoids | didnt cryptome shit all over him years ago? | [07:04] |
decimation | Certainly whoever wrote that virus wouldn't be dumb enough to use unique addresses? | [07:05] |
mircea_popescu | who didint ? lol | [07:05] |
mircea_popescu | decimation i never read it, dunno. | [07:05] |
mircea_popescu | anyay, this has been enough excitement for one day. take care all! | [07:05] |
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herbijudlestoids | byes | [07:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share | [15:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3025 @ 0.0009161 = 2.7712 BTC [+] | [15:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 95 @ 0.00429 = 0.4076 BTC [+] | [15:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/ | [15:13] |
ozbot | BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | lol check out the slovaks having fun | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | and we didn't even know the city exists! | [15:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16519 @ 0.00091246 = 15.0729 BTC [-] {4} | [15:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63749999 = 2.55 BTC [-] {3} | [15:16] |
jurov | city? | [15:19] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [15:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64789999 = 1.2958 BTC [+] {2} | [15:19] |
KRS1 | https://mtgox.zendesk.com/entries/26501000-Statement-Regarding-BTC-Withdrawal-Delays | [15:19] |
KRS1 | 0 people found this useful | [15:19] |
ozbot | Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk | [15:19] |
jurov | [15:20] | |
KRS1 | I personally did not find it useful. There were not pictures of clowns or anything colorful on that pr. | [15:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5124 @ 0.00090967 = 4.6611 BTC [-] | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | slovakia! | [15:20] |
truffles | lol | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1 well that may have something to do with 0 people using mtgox you know. | [15:20] |
KRS1 | They need more clowns. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | truffles whatcha lolling at ? here's a fun fact : Slovakia : 18,933 sq miles (49,036 km²) ; LA : 33,954 sq mi (87,490 km2) | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | just because most of their city is undeveloped doesn't mean it's not a city now :D | [15:22] |
jurov | ah yes. we have a joke about this | [15:22] |
jurov | fico comes to china (he likes to go there) and they ask him: how many slovaks there are? | [15:23] |
jurov | "5 million" | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | wow omfg this is a romanian joke! | [15:23] |
jurov | "And in which hotel do you stay?" | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | hahaah | [15:23] |
truffles | i laugh with u mp | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | ok, check out the romanian variant : | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | there's this ethnic group in romania, living in Oltenia (the south west), called olteni. they have a reputation of being sorta hillbilly-ish. | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | so, one day these guys (about 2mn total) declare war to china. | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | the chinese are kind-of shocked, spend about a week trying to find large enouygh maps so this Oltenia is shiwn on them | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | eventualy they discover it's a province of Romania and not even autonomous, so they tell their ambassador at Bucharest to go on a trip to Caracal and see what in the fuck. | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | "Hello nice people. Did you send us a declaration of war ?!" | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | "Yes we did." | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | "But why ?!" | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | "None of your business" | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | "But do you realise the great nation of Han is over a billion strong ? That the US falls over itself to do whatever we tell them to ? That we can call under arms about a quarter billion people within two weeks ?" | [15:26] |
mircea_popescu | at which point the local troop is taken aback and they turn around to speak among themselves | [15:26] |
mircea_popescu | "Hmm... so many chinese... where the fuck do we burry them all ?!" | [15:27] |
truffles | so interesting | [15:27] |
jurov | heh | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | happens to be one of my favourite jokes :D | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | tho i guess it's an aquired taste. | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | but don't worry, i'll tell it again so it becomes funny. | [15:28] |
mircea_popescu | here goes : | [15:28] |
wao-ender | :D | [15:28] |
truffles | look at u acknowledging differences | [15:28] |
truffles | next ull be understanding what sarcasm is hmmm | [15:29] |
chetty | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-30/visa-s-scharf-says-traditional-payment-networks-trump-bitcoin.html?cmpid=yhoo | [15:29] |
KRS1 | Once the 3 quarter billion chinese are armed they should take out their communist government for a shot at some freedom. | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24588158/argentines-jockey-to-cope-with-economic-turmoil | [15:30] |
mircea_popescu | "We don't trust anything anymore. Not even the banking institutions," Partcha said. "I had saved in dollars, and when the banks froze deposits in 2001, I got pesos back and lost my money." | [15:30] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1 they really don't seem to want to. | [15:30] |
mircea_popescu | they seem more inclined to take out the us socialist government. | [15:30] |
mircea_popescu | chetty yeah we lolled all about it yest. | [15:30] |
jurov | well, slovak (and i think other) policemen have similar problem, too | [15:33] |
jurov | one comes home and wife tells him | [15:34] |
jurov | honey, i have a good message | [15:34] |
jurov | i'm pregnant, we'll have 5th child | [15:34] |
jurov | he replies: nooooooooooooo | [15:34] |
jurov | every 4th child is chinese! | [15:35] |
jurov | *5th | [15:35] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha | [15:35] |
mircea_popescu | so i take it slovak policemen go around in pairs because one can read, one can write, too, right ? | [15:35] |
jurov | yes | [15:35] |
mircea_popescu | turns out the slovaks invented all teh romanian jokes :D | [15:36] |
wao-ender | :D | [15:36] |
wao-ender | oh, that one is fav | [15:36] |
jurov | it has alternate point | [15:37] |
jurov | "Because one never knows." | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | that one doesn't gramatically work in romanian. | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | how do you say it in slovak ? | [15:37] |
jurov | Jeden nikdy nevie. | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | jeden being one ? | [15:38] |
jurov | yes | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | what's den ? | [15:38] |
jurov | den is day but that's unrelated | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | how do you say "i drink" ? | [15:38] |
jurov | ja pijem | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | how do you say "she drinks me" ? | [15:38] |
truffles | 0.0 | [15:39] |
mircea_popescu | what, it's a transitive verb. | [15:39] |
jurov | depends | [15:39] |
jurov | ona ma pije | [15:39] |
mircea_popescu | haha. depends. ok, how do you say "she drinks my drink" ? | [15:39] |
jurov | but if you were to say she goes on my nerves, then | [15:39] |
jurov | ona mi pije krv | [15:39] |
jurov | she is drinking my blood | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | ja ma mi, so jenen is in fact "one". romanian doesn't have it. there's cineva = somebody, but there's no "one" as an impersonal Is person. | [15:40] |
jurov | it's any impersonal person, not just 1st | [15:41] |
mircea_popescu | myeah. | [15:41] |
mircea_popescu | jeden nikdy nevie = nu se stie niciodata. a sti, to know, se stie is roughly the subjonctive. so the function is done by the verb rather than by a pronoun. | [15:42] |
Neil | subjonctive: Is that franglais or sthg? | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | it's a mood, comes from latin | [15:43] |
Neil | Cross between subjonctif and subjunctive. :) | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | english has it, very a ok, subjunctive then. | [15:43] |
Neil | If I were you etc. not if I was you | [15:43] |
truffles | if i was yous | [15:44] |
Neil | Much more prevalent in French than English | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. english has it but it's mostly... unknown so to speak. | [15:44] |
KRS1 | instead of learning slovakian, might want to start learning chinese | [15:44] |
truffles | or english :D | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | i've yet to meet a sexy chinese woman. | [15:44] |
KRS1 | wut | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | srs. | [15:45] |
KRS1 | I have one for you, then tell me. | [15:45] |
Neil | mircea_popescu: Dude. | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | what can i tell you! | [15:45] |
truffles | millions of chinese, not one hot hmm | [15:45] |
KRS1 | Mayne she's not 100% chinese, I shall summon her. | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | i don't go for the entire "hello my face is a pancake" thing | [15:45] |
KRS1 | HAHA | [15:45] |
jurov | KRS1: i agree, though, you can talk russian at suprising number of places | [15:45] |
Neil | pancake? I think you have the wrong nationality | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | jurov the structure seems pretty russian really. | [15:46] |
truffles | ignorance is bliss | [15:46] |
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mircea_popescu | neil compare and contrast : http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02650/xian_2650754b.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z1At_HUDfFI/UAYQ0yqTDuI/AAAAAAAAA2E/eKX426QljfU/s400/Tea_Leoni%2BJune_2005.jpg | [15:46] |
Neil | Wow how tf did you pull that up in 10 secs | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | i have ppls working for me, | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | and i make them do the stupidest shit | [15:47] |
truffles | lol | [15:47] |
truffles | sweet life | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | i think entire retirements will consist of strictly cataloguing the insanity that went on back in this day. | [15:48] |
Neil | Koreans have noticeably "flat" faces but not Chinese. I've met plenty hot Chinese women and I live in Japan. Maybe you should move to Asia :) | [15:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8140 @ 0.00091695 = 7.464 BTC [+] | [15:48] |
mircea_popescu | well sure. i don't propose the chinese are racially ugly. | [15:48] |
mircea_popescu | i'm just sayin', ive not met the good ones. | [15:49] |
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KRS1 | mircea_popescu: I feel the same way you do on that. The bitch in this video is an exception I think. | [15:49] |
KRS1 | Behold, your chinese dream woman. | [15:50] |
KRS1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vldh7oQD-a4 | [15:50] |
ozbot | George Michael - I Want Your Sex (Stereo Version) - YouTube | [15:50] |
KRS1 | 3:15 ftw | [15:50] |
truffles | good song! | [15:50] |
mircea_popescu | "This video contains content from VEVO. It is restricted from playback on certain sites." | [15:51] |
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Neil | Some Chinese gals are really good fun. Don't take life too seriously. | [15:51] |
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KRS1 | f'n a truffles.. He killed it in the 80's with that album, and other hits. | [15:51] |
mircea_popescu | see, vevo ruins my sex prospects. | [15:51] |
truffles | yea | [15:51] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, lunch. love you all. | [15:51] |
truffles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3AP26ywQsQ | [15:51] |
ozbot | George Michael - I Want Your Sex - YouTube | [15:51] |
ThickAsThieves | i dont think that girl is chinese | [15:51] |
KRS1 | <3 | [15:51] |
KRS1 | ThickAsThieves, I was wondering..maybe she's a jap. I can never tell the difference with those people. | [15:51] |
pankkake | well, there's a difference. chinese=ugly, japanese=beautiful | [15:52] |
Neil | 80% of time Japanese / Chinese difference is clear. The 20% is a bitch. | [15:52] |
pankkake | koreans in between | [15:52] |
truffles | 0,0 | [15:52] |
KRS1 | pankkake: hmm..interesting. I need to look into this. | [15:52] |
pankkake | of course I'm trolly with the ugly/beautiful, but there is a certain truth to it :) | [15:53] |
Neil | It's obvious 1 second after they start talking :) | [15:53] |
truffles | which one is plastic surgery central | [15:53] |
pankkake | korea | [15:53] |
truffles | right | [15:53] |
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truffles | i couldnt tell if woman was chinese, id lean towards no | [15:54] |
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Neil | Since when was Antonopoulos pronounced Antonopolis? | [15:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3382 @ 0.00008885 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2} | [15:56] |
ThickAsThieves | she's Chinese! | [16:00] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/kathy-jeung-pictures.htm | [16:00] |
truffles | pity the lemmings couldnt google hot chinese :D | [16:01] |
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ThickAsThieves | althought i do find her weird looking | [16:01] |
ThickAsThieves | although* | [16:01] |
ThickAsThieves | elongated face | [16:01] |
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mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/AH4tzPc.gif | [16:55] |
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Duffer1 | bitcointalk.org when MPOE-PR isn't around? | [16:56] |
jborkl | Mircea_popescu, Romania still frozen over? | [16:56] |
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mircea_popescu | jborkl it never was ? got a light coat, mebbe two inches | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 lol | [16:57] |
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jborkl | Oh , the news said Romania was in a deep freeze stopping the whole country | [16:58] |
jborkl | Typical news eh | [16:59] |
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mircea_popescu | i can take a shot out the window if you want, but basically it just snowed enough to be cute | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | then again, im in the part of romania where the fig tree grows wild. | [17:00] |
ThickAsThieves | must be reporters from Atlanta | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | they probably had some snow around the carpathians bend, but hey. | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | they do every year. | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | once i fell with my car into the snow, had to have it pulled out my a military truck | [17:01] |
devthedev | Hey mircea_popescu | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | ello | [17:01] |
jborkl | I figured the news was wrong again, just interested to see how wrong :) | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | gotta "make it newsworthy" huh. the conspiracy of government and press. | [17:02] |
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devthedev | Nice to finally meet you mircea_popescu :P | [17:04] |
mircea_popescu | haha cool. | [17:04] |
jborkl | Yeah, Romania had 1 inch of snow doesn't have the same rung | [17:04] |
jborkl | Ring | [17:04] |
devthedev | I avoid the snow, I live in FL. lol | [17:04] |
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mircea_popescu | During the Spanish colonization of the Americas, the giant anteater was one of many native fauna taken to Europe for display. At first, Europeans believed all anteaters were female and mated with their noses. | [17:06] |
mircea_popescu | there is nothing common about common sense. | [17:06] |
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lippoper | ozbot!! | [17:11] |
lippoper | .bait | [17:11] |
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mircea_popescu | apparently slovakia has a "Ordinary People and Independent Personalities" party. | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | that thing would so rock in the us... | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | everyone's an ordinary peopl and independent personality there. | [17:15] |
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jurov | oh, in every elections there's such crazy party | [17:16] |
jurov | we had "Alliance of New Citizen" | [17:16] |
jurov | "Party of Citizens' mutual understanding" | [17:17] |
jurov | Freedom and Solidarity" | [17:17] |
jurov | each of these actually got few MPs | [17:18] |
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mircea_popescu | what does it take for a mp seat, like 50k votes ? | [17:18] |
jurov | yes, 5% of whatever many people come to vote | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | whoa | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | so like 12k ? | [17:18] |
jurov | maybe | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | so start a faucet, become an mp. | [17:19] |
jurov | even Fico's party is called "Direction - Social Democracy" | [17:19] |
Azelphur | hahaha mp on bitcoin foundation | [17:19] |
Azelphur | I'd vote for that | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | im not even kidding jurov. you absolutely should think seriously about it. | [17:19] |
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mircea_popescu | Slovak Bitcoin Party. | [17:20] |
jurov | yes, i did think, easy way to get immunity from law | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | that's not even it. | [17:20] |
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jurov | if the time comes... | [17:20] |
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mircea_popescu | easy way to be fucking sensible, to counterbalance all the idiots speaking for bitcoin as if they had a clue | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | don't wait for "the time to come". | [17:20] |
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mircea_popescu | you got four years till the next elections and more dough than any other candidate. | [17:20] |
jurov | wao-ender: ^^ do you read this? | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | you're ideally placed, make your move. | [17:21] |
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wao-ender | vot | [17:21] |
jurov | the problem is, it's very hard to get activists with half a brain here | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | so get activists with a full brain. | [17:21] |
wao-ender | hmm | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | what do you do this summer ? | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | tour the fucking city, talk to everyone. | [17:21] |
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mircea_popescu | you can bloody well walk all of slovenia in a summer. | [17:22] |
jurov | i was involved in support of disabled people .. never again | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | forget "being involved". do. as in, for yourself, properly. | [17:22] |
jurov | that was for myself, too. the stupidity was the problem | [17:23] |
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wao-ender | so, we are going setup party? | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | this is definitely the best opportunity for anything like that you'll have | [17:23] |
wao-ender | 4 yo is plenty of time | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin appeals to intelligent, young, educated people. | [17:23] |
wao-ender | ^ ^ ^ yes. | [17:23] |
jurov | nah, they went out long ago | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | hit it before some other fuckwit piggybacks on the name without any credential or a clue. | [17:23] |
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wao-ender | but, our market is well timed for that, in Czech, there are people try be supportive for Pirate parties.. | [17:24] |
jurov | everythin *will* end up on my back | [17:24] |
wao-ender | bitcoin party is just one step ahead | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | because by 2018 it will be all "hello I'm Herp McDerp, I have 0.059876 btc in a webwallet, let me tell you all about Bitcoin" | [17:24] |
wao-ender | :D | [17:24] |
jurov | wao-ender: you know what crakpots attend progressbar | [17:24] |
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wao-ender | jurov: right, we rejected them | [17:24] |
jurov | you'd have to deal with them | [17:24] |
jurov | even rejection is dealing | [17:25] |
wao-ender | they want used us in their politics program, like setup first PR at our space, tricksters. | [17:25] |
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mircea_popescu | wao-ender just negotiate with people. "o, you want to use us ? fine, but you must be naked while doing it" "o, you don't want to do naked pr ? ok, what else can you offer" | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | soon enough people come into line. | [17:26] |
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wao-ender | :D | [17:26] |
wao-ender | yeah, that's how I selling bitcoins | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [17:26] |
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wao-ender | I just setup high price, when one is in the emergency, it will sell somehow.. | [17:26] |
jurov | there the situation is clear | [17:27] |
jurov | but in politics, someone often comes to help | [17:27] |
jurov | and them messes everything beyond repair | [17:27] |
wao-ender | mircea_popescu: but, I will think about it, politics in our countyr will be open for new parties in year or next year after | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | so don't give them access to anything that's more dangerous than they're trustworthy. | [17:27] |
wao-ender | mircea_popescu: because that Fico's party (SMER-SD) will loose it's managment when he moves to the president position afaik | [17:28] |
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mircea_popescu | wao-ender nothing comes of those who think about things, in my experience. | [17:28] |
jurov | wao-ender: if you do know such trustworthy people, then i'll think about it | [17:28] |
jurov | because i don't except for you | [17:28] |
wao-ender | .. when I knew, he is second time premier, I knew best exit from politics is to be just two times president in a row. | [17:28] |
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mircea_popescu | or more properly said : you gotta think from the perspective "i am doing this, let me think how" rather than from the perspective "let me think if i will do this" | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | that latter approach never goes anywhere. | [17:29] |
wao-ender | jurov: when this aim will be announced, I think some new comers will reveal from other circles | [17:29] |
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jurov | yes, that's what i'm talking about | [17:30] |
jurov | what do you do with them? you can't give them any responsibility | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | you always can give someone responsibility. just tailor it. | [17:31] |
wao-ender | oh, you need treat them like they are special in some way, in positive sense | [17:31] |
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mircea_popescu | make them copy down your party programme by hand for a week. | [17:31] |
jurov | fuck i could have been a star of hearing disability HGO, run for MP, etc. I really was in national TV 2 times. | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | that's a responsibility. | [17:31] |
jurov | *NGO | [17:31] |
wao-ender | and not giving them full permissions, just little of them. They will just show you how they can manage responsibility with that little permissions | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [17:31] |
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mircea_popescu | exactly like computers work. | [17:31] |
jurov | then i found I dont; really have any support, just backstabbing | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | you're too emotional. | [17:32] |
jurov | yes i know | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | who cares about all teh goats in the world. | [17:32] |
wao-ender | and yes, you need to be cold, w/o any emotions at all. | [17:32] |
jurov | often i imagine myself in a public dispute | [17:33] |
jurov | only to realize i'd seriously offend most people involved | [17:33] |
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mircea_popescu | so ? | [17:34] |
jurov | i like to speak too straight | [17:34] |
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wao-ender | oh, diplomatic speech is just all about training and clever words | [17:34] |
jurov | *too emotional | [17:34] |
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mircea_popescu | just as long as you have a point, offending idiots is actually a net positive for you. | [17:34] |
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mircea_popescu | offend away. | [17:34] |
wao-ender | but well, I'm marked as master troll in my circles, is that great way to start? | [17:35] |
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jurov | there are *all* idiots then... usually almost nobody gets my point | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | then your point needs working on, or perhaps the expression thereof. | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | jurov just consider this : for all you know i could be deaf and mute. i've never bothered to prop up whatever dumbass conferences they do, where various nobodies gather to pat each other's backs. i still dominate the field. how come ? | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | apparently this can be done. | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | way the fuck easier to do in a small country with a coherent culture, too. | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | just identify your target, tailor your message so it may understood and let it rip. | [17:36] |
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wao-ender | it's all about smart moves, not about PR. PR is for me just horizontal voice/notion about person | [17:37] |
wao-ender | ah and yes, that's how social engineering works | [17:38] |
jurov | it needs to be something that forces me to overcome my bad experience with leading people/explaining things to them | [17:38] |
wao-ender | in last years, there are also some well paid marketers called "growth hackers" who are doing this fine :) | [17:38] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov who the fuck cares about your bad experiences. | [17:38] |
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jurov | *shrug* | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | yeah well see ? you can't become prisoner of your own bad experiences. | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | way too easy for others to hack you into inactivity, just by controlling that part. | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta be above it to be an independent agent. | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | obviously, easier said than done. but still. | [17:40] |
wao-ender | Oh one thing, to be successful, you just need to be not negative, or passive agressive to someone.. that really sells your person | [17:41] |
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wao-ender | I just readed y'day mpoe-pr aproach to that strip bb, and other members was there like barking wolfes on her. I didnt expect that, well | [17:42] |
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jurov | all in all, what reward is there in trying to drag this nation into 21st century? | [17:44] |
jurov | even fags abhor politicians on top of that | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | no, reward is there in you expressing yourself, and expressing this thing you believe in. | [17:44] |
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mircea_popescu | correctly. | [17:44] |
wao-ender | Well, maybe I have propositions to do this at all | [17:45] |
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jurov | oh, i'm pretty undecided | [17:46] |
wao-ender | wov | [17:46] |
wao-ender | even in romanian wiki is there article about him | [17:46] |
wao-ender | http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matia_Corvin | [17:46] |
ozbot | Matia Corvin - Wikipedia | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | ya well, don't let too many opportunities pass you by while you're undecided, or else you'll end up old and bitter. | [17:47] |
wao-ender | He even renamed Bratislava to Istropolis | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | wao-ender the guy is romanian you know. | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | born same city i was. | [17:47] |
wao-ender | Oh, nice. I like his way, how he made it. When he was at top of kingdom, he turn on economic and culture bloom | [17:48] |
wao-ender | One of my fav from history | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | not bad. | [17:48] |
jurov | I like Tomas Bata. And he would not be able to do what he did from politics. | [17:49] |
wao-ender | Bata was decades later, yes | [17:49] |
wao-ender | We're kinda famous for him | [17:50] |
wao-ender | like Bata's prices, .99c | [17:50] |
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wao-ender | but he was kinda emperor that times | [17:50] |
wao-ender | :D | [17:50] |
jurov | heh.. did you know he made an office in the elevator so that his employees would not waste time coimg nd going to him? | [17:51] |
jurov | that building still stands in partizanske | [17:51] |
mike_c | anybody know why some log lines show up blank? | [17:51] |
michiel_l | midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio | [17:51] |
wao-ender | yeah, and he had office at each floor, afaik | [17:51] |
mike_c | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#469060 | [17:51] |
ozbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c because assbot chokes on some special chars and kako does not want to fix it already! | [17:51] |
mike_c | ah | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | just do a ereg replace yo! | [17:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21282 @ 0.00090917 = 19.349 BTC [-] {3} | [17:51] |
jurov | yes, kako fails unicode | [17:51] |
wao-ender | but back to Corvin, he made something really revolutionary. He brings University into Bratislava | [17:52] |
wao-ender | Istropolitana was one of first in Europe, right? | [17:52] |
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wao-ender | btw, our hackerspace is near of Istropolitana :P ( Universitas Istropolitana ) | [17:53] |
wao-ender | ahm just first in Slovakia, whatever, :sad: | [17:53] |
wao-ender | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universitas_Istropolitana | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | you know, the first european universities are in the 1200s | [17:53] |
ozbot | Universitas Istropolitana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | even the ottomans had one before 1500 | [17:54] |
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wao-ender | yeah, I reading now about that, fixint my memories | [17:54] |
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wao-ender | heh, really huge battlefiedl for that times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_wars_of_Matthias_Corvinus_of_Hungary_(1458-1490).png | [17:56] |
kakobrekla | jurov wrong, unicode fails kako | [17:56] |
mike_c | ۞ so, like, this line should be off the record. | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | no but srsly, just filter unknown chars out rather than drop the line | [17:56] |
michiel_l | midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c in 99% cases it's bullshit curly quotes that do it. | [17:57] |
mike_c | damn, didn't work | [17:57] |
kakobrekla | assbot can read chinese | [17:57] |
kakobrekla | i dont give a fuck for your phuny chars | [17:57] |
mike_c | “ off the record? “ | [17:57] |
kakobrekla | see | [17:58] |
mike_c | grr | [17:58] |
kakobrekla | you cant even broke it | [17:58] |
kakobrekla | brake | [17:58] |
kakobrekla | brb coffee. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | If the choice for regulators is to permit money laundering on the one hand, or to permit innovation on the other, we are always going to choose squelching the money laundering first, Lawsky said at the hearing. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | “If the choice for regulators is to permit money laundering on the one hand, or to permit innovation on the other, we are always going to choose squelching the money laundering first,” Lawsky said at the hearing. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | that statement is fundamentally "we're stupid, ignore us please". | [17:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 13.00000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 32500 satoshi per share | [17:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00090386 = 6.1462 BTC [-] | [17:59] |
mike_c | dang, i forgot to apply for my innovation permit. | [18:00] |
kakobrekla | the second line didnt make it to logs | [18:00] |
kakobrekla | mircea is a natural | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | no, i just know what to use | [18:01] |
mike_c | i think it depends on irc client. i don't think my client could even send anything that would break it. | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | it takes a retarded ny bureaucrat to generate the real good kludge | [18:02] |
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kakobrekla | well irc endocings are bullshit | [18:02] |
kakobrekla | blarg | [18:02] |
kakobrekla | encodings | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | lol kakotype. | [18:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1480 @ 0.00009146 = 0.1354 BTC [+] | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c how do you see “ or ” ? | [18:03] |
kakobrekla | cutn spell cunt tpye | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | bad ms curlyquotes. | [18:03] |
mike_c | blank and blank | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9C&complete=0 for the lolz. | [18:03] |
kakobrekla | broke google. | [18:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00009191 = 0.2757 BTC [+] {4} | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, it's the E2809C/E2809D stuff | [18:04] |
mike_c | “ copy and paste ftw “ | [18:04] |
mike_c | damn, see, my client converts it | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | well yeah, cause you're running some noob sort of software that thinks it knows what you mean | [18:04] |
mike_c | yes | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | which... great for the retail market, tbh. | [18:05] |
kakobrekla | but here and now, we like total control so we can break srtuff. | [18:05] |
kakobrekla | stuff | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | don't opress my hacking! | [18:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.0029212 = 0.1577 BTC [+] | [18:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.606 = 3.03 BTC [-] {2} | [18:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60002001 BTC [-] | [18:08] |
pankkake | http://i.imgur.com/WJPzZOE.png and yet, it's irssi, just expecting UTF-8. hm, make it's screen's fault | [18:08] |
jurov | likewise, i saw just boxes with STS and CCM in them | [18:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.602 = 1.806 BTC [+] {2} | [18:09] |
jurov | not in the dejavu font, i guess | [18:09] |
deadweasel | irssi, http://i.imgur.com/n2ACa46.png | [18:09] |
deadweasel | can't you just set term to utf-8 | [18:09] |
pankkake | screen has a bug and can't handle utf-8 with too many bytes | [18:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00090386 = 6.3722 BTC [-] | [18:10] |
jurov | what about tmux? | [18:10] |
pankkake | tmux doesn't have that issue, nor do latest screen git | [18:10] |
kakobrekla | re how do you see http://shrani.si/f/1f/Ky/3jgnsftR/howdoyousee.png | [18:10] |
deadweasel | what's that font? | [18:11] |
kakobrekla | dunno | [18:11] |
kakobrekla | Font 1 | [18:11] |
deadweasel | "/set font 1 | [18:11] |
deadweasel | damn | [18:11] |
kakobrekla | settings sez Consolas 12 | [18:11] |
deadweasel | nice, thx, i'm gonna try it for a bit. | [18:12] |
deadweasel | oooooh, curvy, sexy letters | [18:12] |
kakobrekla | :) | [18:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999994 = 0.3 BTC [+] | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | lmao he's using irc in comic ms | [18:14] |
lippoper | http://31.media.tumblr.com/54175bb847860b25d6424eb31fc34cf2/tumblr_mfnhriiDvE1r600xqo1_500.jpg | [18:14] |
kakobrekla | who? | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | you. | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | sure | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | nubbins is on my and i havent banned him. | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | my = nac | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | mac | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | fuck. | [18:15] |
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pankkake | what about Microsoft Chat? | [18:16] |
kakobrekla | doesnt have that font. | [18:16] |
pankkake | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/MsComicChat.png | [18:16] |
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kakobrekla | hm? | [18:18] |
kakobrekla | it there some nigger joke in there? | [18:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00596699 = 6.5637 BTC [-] | [18:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0009019 = 5.682 BTC [-] | [18:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 813 @ 0.0009019 = 0.7332 BTC [-] | [18:21] |
lippoper | I see it like this | [18:22] |
lippoper | (11:03:11 AM) mircea_popescu: mike_c how do you see ? or ? ? | [18:22] |
lippoper | yes, ? marks | [18:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5225 @ 0.00009199 = 0.4806 BTC [+] | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | so on the good news front, eulora has all the skill / levelling / training stuff working and i'm quite happy with the system we use. | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | in fact, i'd say it kicks all ass. | [18:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3007 @ 0.000092 = 0.2766 BTC [+] {2} | [18:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00089922 = 8.093 BTC [-] {3} | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | hopefully sometime next week a crafting v0.4 is out. | [18:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00596699 = 0.3103 BTC [-] | [18:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13500 @ 0.00009299 = 1.2554 BTC [+] | [18:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC | [18:28] |
benkay | asciilifeform: i'd like to read your proof that the us hedge funds are all little madoffs | [18:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3761 @ 0.0000949 = 0.3569 BTC [+] | [18:29] |
benkay | !l m s.mg | [18:29] |
assbot | Last trade for S.MG on MPEX was at 0.000138 BTC [+] | [18:29] |
benkay | !l m s.nsa | [18:29] |
assbot | Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00017 BTC [+] | [18:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4700 @ 0.000095 = 0.4465 BTC [+] | [18:30] |
mike_c | any plans on updating git? | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c yeah. | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | someone else wanted to do a platform compile, or actually i think multiple people. | [18:32] |
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mike_c | yeah, cross-compiling early is usually a good idea. especially when you get other people to do it. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [18:33] |
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pankkake | so it's git? in my mind it was svn | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | im clueless so i just use these to mean the same thing. | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | in my mind he just asked me if compilable code is to be published | [18:35] |
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mike_c | they are on github | [18:36] |
mike_c | https://github.com/Chettie/Eulora-client | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | https://sharedcoin.com/ | [18:37] |
ozbot | Shared Coin - Free Trustless Bitcoin Mixing | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | seems piuk made a something. | [18:37] |
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mircea_popescu | course as described the model's got nothing on bitbet, but hey. | [18:39] |
benkay | bitbet as mixer | [18:40] |
benkay | wow | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | d'oh ? | [18:41] |
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benkay | things are never apparent to me mp | [18:42] |
benkay | words of one syllable etc | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | since you can by design make zero-delta bets, and since the fee is 1%... bitbet is partly the reason why mixer services sort-of died last year, i'd guess. | [18:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000951 = 0.4755 BTC [+] | [18:45] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00089897 = 16.7658 BTC [-] {2} | [18:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.58347561 = 23.339 BTC [-] {8} | [18:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13149997 BTC [+] | [18:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.24310363 = 24.3104 BTC | [18:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61499997 = 2.46 BTC [+] | [18:57] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61499999 BTC [+] | [18:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8205 @ 0.00090213 = 7.402 BTC [+] {2} | [18:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 62 @ 0.04790151 = 2.9699 BTC [+] {8} | [18:59] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;tslb | [19:00] |
gribble | Time since last block: 5 minutes and 26 seconds | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | .d | [19:00] |
ozbot | 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 847 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.6058% in 5d 1h 51m 59s | [19:00] |
mike_c | i'm excited. my robot is coming soon. | [19:00] |
mike_c | https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/583/808/54cf94358caafe380451e77f05694191_large.JPG?1391181969 | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | what's it do ? | [19:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999997 = 0.25 BTC [+] | [19:00] |
mike_c | whatever i tell it to! raspberry pi driven. has camera, distance sensor. | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | and what, carry stuff up to 2 oz ? | [19:01] |
mike_c | carrying stuff will not be its forte. | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | push buttons ? | [19:02] |
mike_c | hm. vimeo is choking. i think this the link: | [19:03] |
mike_c | http://vimeo.com/85309981 | [19:03] |
ozbot | RAPIRO: The cool robot you always wanted as a kid on Vimeo | [19:05] |
Duffer1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQynsVZx5Pk | [19:06] |
ozbot | RAPIRO: The cool robot you always wanted as a kid - YouTube | [19:06] |
benkay | i just want a robot that follows me to the grocery store and back | [19:06] |
benkay | 4 wheels would be sufficient, but 1 would be more impressive | [19:06] |
KRS1 | how about a realdoll robot with nice legs | [19:06] |
KRS1 | who can run 60 mph and still romance you with a delicious dinner | [19:07] |
KRS1 | and at your command go fuck up a group of thugs who insulted yo mama | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | so some kid in sierra leone hacks into it and it dropkicks you to oblivion ? | [19:08] |
KRS1 | uhhhh..heh. | [19:08] |
lippoper | this looks so clean http://31.media.tumblr.com/862967f8c3629b6d53aaa1c77ffd2ea7/tumblr_mf5d8rpJeP1rkz0rco1_1280.jpg | [19:09] |
KRS1 | hey I know her | [19:09] |
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KRS1 | http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/sexy-girls-in-short-shorts-4.jpg?w=500&h=750 | [19:12] |
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mircea_popescu | wao-ender http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Matia_din_Cluj btw. | [19:18] |
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wao-ender | 23.2. will have his bday | [19:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02751006 = 0.4402 BTC [-] {3} | [19:21] |
wao-ender | but well, I think you have lot of interesting things there to know | [19:21] |
wao-ender | I have on my plan that way to stop at Nikola Teslas museum as well | [19:21] |
jurov | there's one in Romania? | [19:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 122 @ 0.02712507 = 3.3093 BTC [-] {10} | [19:22] |
jurov | i was in the Belgrade one | [19:22] |
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mircea_popescu | i was in the belgrade one too | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't really all that much... more the name than anything | [19:23] |
jurov | yes, only a small house | [19:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0027658 = 1.3829 BTC [-] {14} | [19:25] |
jurov | they ran a film document, one tesla coil with live demonstration and few artifacts | [19:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62499899 = 1.875 BTC [+] {2} | [19:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00292525 = 0.468 BTC [+] {7} | [19:29] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC | [19:42] |
benkay | b.mine | [19:43] |
benkay | valentines day scams | [19:44] |
ThickAsThieves | idea: mobile ASIC mine that leeches on Tesla charging stations | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | ahahahaa | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | you could have a modified tesla. | [19:47] |
jurov | lol we had similar idea to hook them to trolleybuses here | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | hash'n'crash | [19:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15390 @ 0.00091192 = 14.0344 BTC [+] {2} | [19:47] |
ThickAsThieves | it could even hash while you drive to the next one | [19:48] |
deadweasel | have to pause it to get up hills tho | [19:48] |
ThickAsThieves | free heating too | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | pity tesla doesn't do RVs | [19:49] |
jurov | tesla does log energy usage, they'd discover any major leeching | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | you could solve the retirement problem. just give everyone a tesla rv with hashing gear. | [19:49] |
jurov | on the other hand, old trams.trolleybuses do not | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | jurov yeah they do. at the feed station. | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | that's basically how they know if a line is down | [19:50] |
jurov | yes, but's much less detailed | [19:50] |
jurov | if tesla car consistently reports 20% shorter battery life, that's fishy | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | im curious who's the first person to have an exploded tesla battery/chemical fire | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | and sue them. | [19:52] |
ThickAsThieves | coinbase has not sent out my bitcoins after 3 hours... | [19:53] |
ThickAsThieves | guess they need to wait for price to fall a bit more | [19:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 34 @ 0.00438 = 0.1489 BTC [-] {2} | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | $depth X.eur | [19:55] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945'] | [19:55] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1200 @ 0.00168772', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975'] | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | has it been dropping ? | [19:55] |
jurov | no, getting sideways | [19:56] |
ThickAsThieves | less than 1% since i initiated | [19:56] |
ThickAsThieves | but still, it's bitcoin, why do i have to wait | [19:56] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/tsa-screener-confession-102912.html | [19:56] |
ozbot | TSA Agent Confession - POLITICO Magazine | [19:56] |
ThickAsThieves | "Dear America, I Saw You Naked | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | And yes, we were laughing. Confessions of an ex-TSA agent." | [19:57] |
jurov | http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=X.EUR , switch to month | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | abstract arts. | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | but nice narrowing | [19:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.24986506 BTC to 218 shares, 114617 satoshi per share | [19:59] |
ThickAsThieves | "I was even required to confiscate nail clippers from airline pilots—the implied logic being that pilots could use the nail clippers to hijack the very planes they were flying." | [20:00] |
ThickAsThieves | "In private, most TSA officers I talked to told me they felt the agency’s day-to-day operations represented an abuse of public trust and funds." | [20:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00091812 = 31.262 BTC [+] {3} | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | this is unlike any bureaucrat ever working for any bureaucy in any government in any country ever ? | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | ask anyone, from the post office to whatever you wish. | [20:03] |
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ThickAsThieves | "At the conclusion of our crash course, one of the officers in our class asked him to tell us, off the record, what he really thought about the machines. 'They’re shit,' he said" | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | "It was just a temporary thing, I told myself—side income for a year or two as I worked toward a degree in creative writing. It wasn’t like a recession would come along and lock me into the job or anything." i wonder how many losers currently are hiding this from themselves with the pretense to "creative writing" aspirations. | [20:04] |
ThickAsThieves | (Rapiscan) | [20:04] |
ThickAsThieves | "I.O. room duty quickly devolved into an unofficial break. It was the one place in the airport free of surveillance cameras" | [20:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.027 = 0.405 BTC [-] | [20:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+] | [20:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17271 @ 0.00091861 = 15.8653 BTC [+] | [20:07] |
ThickAsThieves | "Officers who were dating often conspired to get assigned to the I.O. room at the same time, where they analyzed the nude images with one eye apiece, at best." | [20:08] |
ThickAsThieves | "All the old, crass stereotypes about race and genitalia size thrived on our secure government radio channels." | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/429315308973588481 | [20:08] |
ozbot | Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @Jas0nHarringt0n You're not ... | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | hopefully he takes the gist of it and offs himself. | [20:08] |
ThickAsThieves | they asked for dosimeters and were denied too | [20:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | you know what ? it came out at nurnberg that most of the nazis working for the jew extermination agencies were trying to do a good job. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | plenty of them were aspiring writers, too. just... you know, needed the dough. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | god forbid they go hungry. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | important people, these. | [20:10] |
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ThickAsThieves | the guy ended up getting a scholarship | [20:18] |
ThickAsThieves | and quitting | [20:18] |
ThickAsThieves | quitting the TSA* | [20:19] |
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Duffer1 | TSA - come for the security theater, stay because we can't end the program during an employment crisis | [20:21] |
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mike_c | re: telsa fire. this video caused a stir stateside a few months ago: | [20:24] |
mike_c | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kjI08n4fg | [20:24] |
ozbot | Tesla car on fire - YouTube | [20:24] |
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mike_c | apparently the batteries don't do well when pierced from the bottom by road debris | [20:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC | [20:27] |
Dimsler_ | you guys | [20:29] |
Dimsler_ | i got a pump up video | [20:30] |
Dimsler_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZthKY5P_9Rk | [20:30] |
ozbot | [DOGE] xX_D0G3C0IN_Xx - YouTube | [20:30] |
Dimsler_ | you can all watch this and pace back and fourth in your basements | [20:30] |
ThickAsThieves | or we can ignore anything with doge in it | [20:31] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c obviously. a ton and a half lithium battery is a fucking hazard of the 1st degree | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | not that they won't get good at it with practice, just... i dun wanna be the practice. | [20:34] |
benkay | mircea_popescu's waiting for the power-seat in the back china tesla edition | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves yeah, and if satan gives him a scholarship next he's gonna spend a year or two warming tar. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | and then try to leech some more money off of it by writing a book about what an asshole he was for THAT stretch of his life. | [20:36] |
benkay | http://www.carnewschina.com/2013/08/08/tesla-model-s-will-have-an-executive-back-seat-in-china/ | [20:36] |
ozbot | Tesla Model S will have an “executive back seat” in China | CarNewsChina.com - China Auto News | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | when did "executive" become "luxury" i wish to know. | [20:37] |
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benkay | we're all ceo's nao | [20:40] |
kakobrekla | ceo of pleb.com | [20:42] |
kakobrekla | o thats actually a site | [20:43] |
kakobrekla | nvm | [20:43] |
ThickAsThieves | about a third of people I require to sign messages with their wallet for ID, don't send the message, only the sig | [20:43] |
kakobrekla | at least they know what a bitcoin address is. | [20:44] |
ThickAsThieves | what's worse is friedcat pretty much never requires signed transfers anymore | [20:45] |
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ThickAsThieves | i dont know whether open requests are scammers or people Friedcat just ignored | [20:46] |
ThickAsThieves | scammers just never follow up I guess | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | >< | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | so basically the brilliance of asicminer has by now ensured the entire thing is an utter mess | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | only took 9 months, too. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | ain't working with responsible, competent people a fucking blessing. | [20:47] |
Dimsler_ | lol | [20:47] |
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ThickAsThieves | surprisingly, there are no cases of "Friedcat stole my shares!" tho | [20:53] |
mircea_popescu | not until the scammors start figuring out the hole. | [20:54] |
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ThickAsThieves | i take extra measures to make sure i cant be impersonated | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | lol good one, i needed a dbl tacke | [20:55] |
ThickAsThieves | sorry pankkake | [20:55] |
ThickAsThieves | of course this assumes friedcat cares... | [20:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8873 @ 0.00091604 = 8.128 BTC [-] | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | srsly ? ThickAssThieves, ThickAsThievs, everything all taken ? | [20:55] |
ThickAsThieves | for one, i dont use forums for biz at all anymore | [20:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15814 @ 0.00091708 = 14.5027 BTC [+] {2} | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | so you figure this does anything ? | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | think about it : to the average tard, whether you're one of the 500 scammers named after you or not makes no diff. | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | he still deals with you on the forum, whether you know of this or not. | [20:58] |
ThickAsThieves | well its not all i do | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | one fine day they'll hold a vote about whether you should pay for it anyway | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | (yea i understand, just making a point) | [20:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0057001 = 0.3591 BTC [-] {5} | [21:02] |
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Dimsler_ | lol | [21:04] |
Dimsler_ | bitcoin is all scammers | [21:04] |
Dimsler_ | angry greedy nerds | [21:05] |
ThickAsThieves | the nouveau riche arent known for their poise | [21:07] |
Dimsler_ | lol | [21:08] |
Dimsler_ | exactly | [21:08] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00091334 = 16.9425 BTC [-] {3} | [21:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 193 @ 0.00084999 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2} | [21:20] |
midnightmagic | ThickAsThieves: +1 | [21:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02650833 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2} | [21:25] |
PsychoticBoy__ | 2 years ago I had to work, now people are working hard very hard for me :) | [21:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 159 @ 0.00420804 = 0.6691 BTC [-] {4} | [21:26] |
PsychoticBoy__ | thats how the cookie crumbles | [21:26] |
kakobrekla | thats how the bitcoin crumbles | [21:26] |
PsychoticBoy__ | :D | [21:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 70 @ 0.00390028 = 0.273 BTC [-] {2} | [21:27] |
kakobrekla | wait werent you running something on glbse | [21:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00091174 = 11.1688 BTC [-] {3} | [21:28] |
kakobrekla | ok ok | [21:29] |
kakobrekla | hoho, this one is nice and easy | [21:30] |
kakobrekla | >I guess I will answer the best I can. It is really about being in the right place at the right time. I have done really well and also lost my ass in the past. I have pretty much been involved in just about anything BTC related that was not an obvious scam, and some that where. | [21:30] |
kakobrekla | guess who | [21:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-] | [21:30] |
Duffer1 | goat? | [21:30] |
kakobrekla | bingo | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | goat's been trying real hard to come out as if he's trustworthy, past all forgotten etc. | [21:31] |
kakobrekla | omg haha its gets better. | [21:32] |
kakobrekla | >That Lambo is not really a significant part of my investment portfolio. I did it when I did cuz of Greenspan saying he could not see any "intrinsic value" in BTC. So I was like fuck it, people don't care about intrinsic value, they care about shit like Lambos. Did it for the PR. | [21:32] |
mircea_popescu | derp. | [21:33] |
Duffer1 | he should hook me up with a couple btc | [21:33] |
Duffer1 | for the pr | [21:33] |
Duffer1 | i also accept lambo | [21:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-] | [21:34] |
kakobrekla | i think one of the reasons he change his forum name like 5 times is to help to cut the ties to scams | [21:34] |
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PsychoticBoy__ | yes kakobrekla I was running something on glbse | [21:35] |
PsychoticBoy__ | and later I was running some new assets on Bitfunder | [21:35] |
kakobrekla | aha aha, classic. | [21:35] |
Duffer1 | any plans for ciphertrade? | [21:35] |
kakobrekla | no cryptostock either? | [21:36] |
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PsychoticBoy__ | no cryptostocks or havelock | [21:36] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC | [21:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.02603447 = 0.755 BTC [-] {5} | [21:37] |
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kakobrekla | well, if you picked your exchanges at random, theres a good chance one of them would still be online, makes you think if you went for the shittiest deliberately | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | [21:39] | |
kakobrekla | or split personality, what do i know | [21:39] |
kakobrekla | and yes, | [21:39] |
kakobrekla | i think, | [21:39] |
kakobrekla | and it hurts. | [21:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8771 @ 0.00090864 = 7.9697 BTC [-] | [21:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | think with the other head alternatively | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | lower load, cooler cpu... | [21:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [-] | [21:43] |
jurov | benkay: where did you get this from? Writing options and providing the required collateral puts those options into the pool from which a counterparty is randomly selected during an exercise event. | [21:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC | [21:44] |
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jurov | you really think mpex throws dice every time someone exercises an option? | [21:45] |
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jurov | would be fun, tho :D | [21:45] |
mike_c | mpex + JD = more excitement | [21:47] |
Dimsler_ | yeah until you can't get your money out | [21:49] |
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mike_c | i don't get it. which of those do you have trouble getting money out of? | [21:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20618 @ 0.000097 = 1.9999 BTC [+] | [21:52] |
mircea_popescu | this is a point, no large dice site crashed and burned so far. | [21:58] |
jurov | http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/Options-and-MPOE maybe i'll try to improve it, but it's basically done | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | props for a good model. | [21:59] |
ozbot | MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions | [21:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15633 @ 0.00091609 = 14.3212 BTC [+] {2} | [22:00] |
kakobrekla | all models are wrong | [22:01] |
kakobrekla | but some are useful, they say. | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | jurov : "This process is not visible to the collateral holder in the course of the month." | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | this changed meanwhile. | [22:02] |
jurov | heh.. so the collateral in stat output changes as exercises are done? | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | yep | [22:02] |
mike_c | thanks for link jurov. good post, i will be bookmarking for the six times a week i forget how to calculate the profit on those. | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | jurov it all started with mike_c being a little bitch. | [22:03] |
mike_c | hehe | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | but it really went downhill once he actually had a point | [22:03] |
mike_c | it took mysterious other parties to convince him there was a point. | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | well i don't listen to noobs. | [22:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.24310363 = 2.431 BTC | [22:05] |
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mike_c | four more months i think until my 1 year bitcoin-assets birthday. | [22:06] |
jurov | i'd like to see the arguments :D | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | o hey. throwing a party ? | [22:07] |
mike_c | kako won't come to the us | [22:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02699999 = 0.162 BTC [+] | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | jurov you know, about once a meeting the idea surfaces that "we shouild just film this. itcould be a movie" | [22:08] |
kakobrekla | cause he still has a fart worth of sanity left. | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | kako doesn't want his tics felt up ? | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | The Sanitary Fartworth, an Illustrated Book of Sayings. | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell nubbins` ^ | [22:09] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [22:09] |
benkay | jurov: from mircea_popescu himself | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | that should go over well | [22:09] |
kakobrekla | the, the customs will be like "dude, i won the bet but you paid less than i sent, come with me for a sec" | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [22:09] |
jurov | dunno how would one film this. people sitting in front of monitor, grinning? | [22:09] |
jurov | with short cut from bildercoin meeting | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | jurov it's usually irl. | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | gotta be able to brandish things at people or else what sort of an argument is it. | [22:10] |
benkay | ah well there is a mistake in there isn't it - the way i understand the selection to work is that an exercise hits everyone who underwrote proportionately to the fraction of outstanding contracts that they wrote | [22:11] |
jurov | oh yes then.i'd really like to see the cherry truck selection meeting | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | we were drunk. | [22:11] |
Dimsler_ | you guys | [22:11] |
Dimsler_ | more info aon gash.io? | [22:11] |
Dimsler_ | legit or not? | [22:11] |
benkay | but jurov it is true that just writing an option puts it into the pool that can be exercised against | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | Dimsler_ seems legit. | [22:12] |
lippoper | big ass bait: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8jcvoJgKU1qkwo4to1_1280.jpg | [22:12] |
benkay | and also mike_c jurov commissioned the m3 from me | [22:12] |
Dimsler_ | so if i buy 100g/hash | [22:12] |
Dimsler_ | from them | [22:12] |
Dimsler_ | it pays me every 25blocks | [22:12] |
Dimsler_ | ? | [22:12] |
jurov | brb | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | you mean gHash.io or gash.io ? | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | never heard of gash. | [22:12] |
Dimsler_ | https://www.cex.io/#GHS-BTC | [22:13] |
Dimsler_ | these guys | [22:13] |
Duffer1 | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439399.msg4861912#msg4861912 | [22:13] |
kakobrekla | well | [22:13] |
ozbot | [SOLB-SOL] Sollar Bond World's First Crypto-Bond [PRE-SALE THREAD] | [22:13] |
kakobrekla | its not a scam, as scuh. | [22:13] |
Duffer1 | them fightin words | [22:13] |
kakobrekla | such | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | cex.io peopl have been bitching about but i've not heard something subsytantive. | [22:13] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1267 @ 0.000918 = 1.1631 BTC [+] | [22:17] |
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lippoper | it's pre-sale, much trouble | [22:17] |
lippoper | they probably don't even have the mining gear yet | [22:17] |
michiel_l | midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/you-can-raise-it-but-you-cant-spend-it/ myep. | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | a review of the complete count of all bitcoin companies to date, and their spending patters may reveal that this is like ... the only 2 out of about 300 to do this. | [22:18] |
mike_c | yes. the20year is going to be on the wrong side of that unfortunately. | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | actually, benkay, you still looking for fun shit to do ? | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | how about you make the complete list of all bitcoin companies ever. | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | all of them. | [22:19] |
kakobrekla | i have been saying same since 2012 | [22:19] |
benkay | oh god | [22:19] |
KRS1 | heh | [22:19] |
kakobrekla | but ppl are like "DIVERSIFY YOU IDIOT" | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla i'm stealing it. | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | benkay no, srlsly, it's a great thing to do, if it's complete. | [22:20] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: will you commission that? | [22:20] |
KRS1 | wow. big bait. much ass. | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | how much comission do you want / | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_mix-your-coins-for-1-bitbet-as-mixer.html << lol he ran off with it. | [22:20] |
ozbot | Mix your coins for 1% - Bitbet as Mixer | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | suppose i just don't charge you for teh info ? :D | [22:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6248 = 3.124 BTC [-] {2} | [22:21] |
kakobrekla | i dont think its even possible to do complete list | [22:21] |
benkay | you have a list? | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | sort-of. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | benkay suppose i give you the half-bitcoin i have leftover from the painting thing ? but srsly, do it thoroughly, don't leave anything out. | [22:22] |
benkay | mighty nebulous criteria sir | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | whyssat ? | [22:22] |
KRS1 | benkay: Here is a great list to get started: http://www.bitcoin-tools.de/links.html | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | nono | [22:23] |
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mircea_popescu | i mean strictly public comps | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | things that ever took investment from the public. | [22:23] |
benkay | so basically trawl bitcointalk/investments back to 2010 or w/e | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | 2009. | [22:23] |
benkay | yeah | [22:24] |
KRS1 | curl grep ipo | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | this is a good idea yeah. | [22:24] |
benkay | mhm | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | im sure people with history will volunteer names to fill gaps | [22:24] |
benkay | what, is this a list or a review of each individual scam!? | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | and just, name, what it supposedly did, when it opened, who run it, when it closed, other notes etc. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | well obviously a pankkake-style list isn't too helpful | [22:25] |
kakobrekla | you need glbse | [22:25] |
kakobrekla | and everything that went aside exchanges | [22:25] |
pankkake | no glbse archive? | [22:25] |
mircea_popescu | some twerps (goat, etc) deleted their posts, obviously. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | usagi ran like... 6 things ? | [22:26] |
pankkake | anyway, it seems like an ungodly amount of work | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | it does. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | but it'd also yield a reference point. | [22:26] |
kakobrekla | ok i have this crazy and mostly useless thing one sec | [22:26] |
mike_c | plus, doesn't have to be complete to publish. start with recent ones and work backwards. | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | start with old ones and work forwards. much better. | [22:27] |
benkay | i'd rather work forwards | [22:27] |
mike_c | harder though | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | with recent ones all the scum will have an incentive to argue about shit. | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | with old stuff... they won't even notice. | [22:27] |
benkay | ;;calc .5/300 | [22:28] |
gribble | 0.00166666666667 | [22:28] |
pankkake | perhaps do it somewhere others can contribute | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | history is written ad urbe condita not last superbowl backwardsia. | [22:28] |
mike_c | this practically is a complete list of current: | [22:28] |
mike_c | http://bitcoinscammers.com/ | [22:28] |
ozbot | Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers) | [22:28] |
benkay | you can contribute by emailing me, pankkake ;) | [22:28] |
kakobrekla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/tickers.txt | [22:29] |
pankkake | this adds a procrastination layer | [22:29] |
benkay | mike_c: too bad it's not listified | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla dafuck is that ? | [22:29] |
KRS1 | mircea_popescu: so the IPO/bitcoin investment model is similar to the trading style where you want to increase your bitcoin instead of fiat (in hopes to buy back lower)? | [22:31] |
kakobrekla | that hash is md5($exchange.$asset) | [22:31] |
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kakobrekla | the numbers is the last price at which the asset traded | [22:31] |
KRS1 | In other words, the companies seeking investment would have to purchase their goods/services in bitcoin in order to do this. | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | can you unhash it ? | [22:31] |
kakobrekla | no | [22:31] |
kakobrekla | :D | [22:31] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [22:31] |
kakobrekla | was not ment to beunhashed | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | halpful. | [22:32] |
benkay | hashful | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1 hm ? | [22:32] |
kakobrekla | well you can guess | [22:32] |
mike_c | benkay: its paginated. bitcoinscammers.com/page/3/ bitcoinscammers.com/page/4/, etc | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | yes dude, and if we don't recall a fucking name we just sit here hashing letters like idjits | [22:32] |
kakobrekla | MPEX.S.MPOE or something | [22:32] |
pankkake | shouldn't be hard to brute force actually, not many chars | [22:32] |
kakobrekla | well | [22:32] |
kakobrekla | you can see how many you are missing | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | this is a point | [22:32] |
kakobrekla | you know i said it was crazy and useless | [22:33] |
kakobrekla | so fuck off | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | so you did eh. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | i thought you were being sarcastic | [22:33] |
kakobrekla | no no. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | go ask fluffles to teach you sarcasm. | [22:33] |
kakobrekla | should be fairly quick to bruteforce this | [22:34] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: given the "ungodly" amount of work involved i think perhaps 2 btc | [22:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | #bitcoin-assets : your daily source of insane ways to spend all your free time for great justice. | [22:34] |
kakobrekla | heh | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | benkay im not rly hiring you to do it tho, think of it as mostly volunteer work. | [22:34] |
kakobrekla | not too far off | [22:34] |
pankkake | s/volunteer/slave/ | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:35] |
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kakobrekla | and dont forget to put it in niggers.txt on the end. | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:35] |
KRS1 | In reference to "You Can Raise It But You Can't Spend It". Whats wrong with a company sticking to their business plan, soliciting for $X amount of funds, receiving it in bitcoin, converting it to fiat? Then the proper execution of the business plan can take place with the investment model of using bitcoins for funding. If the value of bitcoins goes up or down, it does not matter. The | [22:35] |
KRS1 | company seeking investment isn't buying their goods/services in bitcoin and they've properly funded their venture. If they cannot meet their goals using the solicited funds thats another problem entirely. | [22:35] |
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mircea_popescu | KRS1 the entire thing revolves around the empirical observation that companies which did not spend their ipo funds outperformed companies that did spend them, without exception. | [22:36] |
mike_c | the problem is that the company is then competing with the BTC/fiat ROI | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | this is ultimately a problem of btc, of course, but still. financial analysis is what it is. | [22:36] |
KRS1 | And if the market price tanked without rebounding? | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | well then that'd be exactly the reverse | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | hence "empirical" in my line. | [22:37] |
mike_c | if you want to short BTC there are better ways than investing in one of these companies. | [22:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC | [22:37] |
pankkake | if you invest in a bitcoin company, somehow you're also thinking bitcoin will do well, right? | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake depends if the company is btc or not. | [22:37] |
KRS1 | good point pankkake | [22:37] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: recommended donation for public service: 0.006 btc/security unearthed | [22:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC | [22:38] |
benkay | also an interesting note: the oldest posts on the securities forum on bitcointalk are from like march. was there a db restore in which btctalk dropped all date information or something? | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | what ?! | [22:39] |
pankkake | maybe the section did not exist | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8167.0 | [22:39] |
ozbot | SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | one of the first. | [22:39] |
pankkake | and it was on a more generic one | [22:39] |
pankkake | yeah, just Marketplace | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | there's also something run by uhhh... what was his name, the weirdo indian guy | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | and some shitty thing run by i forget who. those were the first three. | [22:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5033 @ 0.0009111 = 4.5856 BTC [-] | [22:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5417 @ 0.00091747 = 4.9699 BTC [+] | [22:41] |
KRS1 | If I'm an investor in a company using bitcoin and the day after my investment, bitcoin market price shoots upward and remains high, it kind of sucks I'm still investor X having invested only btc $Y. | [22:42] |
kakobrekla | btw benkay re mixing, there is no g uarantee you will not get your own coins back | [22:43] |
KRS1 | However dividends paid out would make it equal i suppose. | [22:43] |
KRS1 | Unless dividends paid are always in fiat based on btc investd. | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla there is however a guarantee a third party can't establish they're your coins. | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1 you have 1 btc. you invest it. company trades it for 100 dollars, buys a hooker. the hooker makes 10 dollars a week. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | your share yields .1 BTC a week, and thus is worth w/e .1 * riskfreerate comes to. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | tomorrow btc goes to 10k. now your share yields .01 BTC a week, thus is worth 1/10 what it was. | [22:45] |
kakobrekla | do we give out certificates or guarantees? | [22:45] |
kakobrekla | one can see it as a weird bet | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla but suppose you go bet, and put in an address. | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | now, you know that that's your address, but someone looking in doesn't. | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you put obama's address in as a prank. | [22:46] |
kakobrekla | obama will have trouble. | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | well so then. | [22:46] |
kakobrekla | it gives clues and if futher investigation happens you can be out of luck | [22:47] |
kakobrekla | so the guarantee isnt there | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | in this sense, the clue given is no different from the clue of "we don't like your face very much" | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | it's not a clue, it's purely arbitrary. | [22:47] |
kakobrekla | arbitrary clue. | [22:48] |
kakobrekla | police uses shrinks | [22:48] |
kakobrekla | why wouldnt they bitbet. | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | i'm saying they wouldn't ?! | [22:48] |
kakobrekla | ok chief of the universe. | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | lol how did i get mixed into this | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | I DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING | [22:49] |
pankkake | "Further more there is no company behind Sollar Bonds. As stated it is an Open-Sourced Dac with a Social Contract attached to each bond. Google social contract. Sollar Bonds is not a company it is a DAC-DAO." | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | awww, so close to it being a herp-derp! | [22:49] |
kakobrekla | what is dac dao | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google DAC-DAO | [22:50] |
gribble | Dac Dao Tran | Facebook: |
[22:50] |
pankkake | decentralized autonomous corporation and the other I don't know | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | i got a Dấu hiệu của người sắp đắc đạo - Thực Dưỡng | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake "o i know, we'll rename mpex shit and pretend like we matter". gotta love the kids. | [22:50] |
pankkake | no, it's worse | [22:51] |
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mircea_popescu | obviously. | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | "we'll copy [what we understand]" | [22:51] |
Duffer1 | "Sollars is private, its distributed, and its privately distributed with no central points of failure BUT a central point of value and accountability (our company & community)" | [22:52] |
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pankkake | it's worser | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | this promises to be better than dmc. | [22:53] |
jurov | just curious, do preorder schemes apply for that list? | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | they should i tihnk. | [22:54] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.624999 BTC [+] | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell RBRubicon dude seriously, fix that connection. | [22:54] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | "This creation of a new city, piled on top of the massive tribute owed to the Persians, as well as the necessary donative to the army to secure its acceptance of his accession, meant Philip was desperately short of money. To pay for it, he ruthlessly increased levels of taxation, while at the same time he ceased paying subsidies to the tribes north of the Danube that were vital for keeping the peace on the frontiers." | [22:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.027 = 1.08 BTC [+] {2} | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | you know... it occurs to me the us is so utterly out of moneyz, it's actually running short on stuff to pay its allies. | [22:56] |
mike_c | luckily our tribes to the north are vital for only maple syrup | [22:57] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah, but the tribes in the midwest... | [22:58] |
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mircea_popescu | afghanistan gdp is nominally 18bn, of which ~3bn direct us deposits. | [22:59] |
benkay | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2503.0 | [23:00] |
ozbot | Bitcoin in China | [23:00] |
benkay | Nefario: "I'm in China, English teacher, slow/poorish Ruby webdev programmer." | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, usaid economic support went 8-7-5bn 2009-2011 | [23:01] |
kakobrekla | lol benkay i thought you were joking. | [23:02] |
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mircea_popescu | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Philipnote.jpg << anyone guess how old this thing is ? | [23:05] |
kakobrekla | mircea_popescu re asset list, grep the old assets logs to compile one, you should be able to get full glbse there | [23:05] |
kakobrekla | most of the rest is still obtainable | [23:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] | [23:05] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla interesting idea, lessee. | [23:06] |
jurov | one'll have to check the benkay's list thoroughly, if he does it. | [23:06] |
jurov | i just found he divided MPEx into 10 billion shares instead of 1b | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | zing. | [23:06] |
benkay | >.< | [23:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | this looks promising. | [23:07] |
benkay | irc logs? | [23:08] |
kakobrekla | yea | [23:08] |
kakobrekla | like 2 days after chan was created | [23:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+] | [23:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00090891 = 7.7712 BTC [-] {3} | [23:09] |
kakobrekla | he so slow. | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | the week otc died | [23:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC | [23:10] |
kakobrekla | (mind if he would be a month late, it would be the month that otc died) | [23:10] |
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mircea_popescu | ^ | [23:11] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0029 = 0.1392 BTC [-] | [23:15] |
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KRS1 | That sucks. I'd rather invest fiat in a company for non variable returns. | [23:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13 = 0.26 BTC [-] | [23:16] |
KRS1 | or btc I suppose | [23:16] |
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kakobrekla | ponzi has non variable returns | [23:16] |
mike_c | you mean you want a bitcoin CD? | [23:16] |
KRS1 | I'd rather not receive dividends in btc I suppose..Value is subject to market price. | [23:16] |
mike_c | well if you want a fiat CD i'm pretty sure those are available.. | [23:17] |
KRS1 | Oh so the real sex here is that the btc can be worth many timees what it is..I suppose it can go the other way too. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | http://dpaste.com/1579433/ | [23:19] |
ozbot | dpaste: #1579433 | [23:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] | [23:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00596698 = 0.2685 BTC [+] {2} | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | 295 | [23:19] |
kakobrekla | kako & mp saves the day. | [23:19] |
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mike_c | [SATOSHISDAEMON.HORSE] must have been a winner | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | nah, it was a filly never ran | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | she just didn't like running, the owners said. | [23:20] |
kakobrekla | the stakes were high, err, i mean tasty. | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, plenty of old assets never traded | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | like the aforementioned skepsi | [23:20] |
kakobrekla | cmon i thought that was pretty funny | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [23:21] |
mike_c | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JnxM_vuAsuY/Tzbk6hagwbI/AAAAAAAAAho/5p5kBwiWw54/s1600/sd.jpg | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | shit, this only goes to march 2013 | [23:21] |
kakobrekla | i wonder if that horse ever saw a stable | [23:21] |
kakobrekla | or was it just down | [23:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 26 @ 0.00446998 = 0.1162 BTC [+] | [23:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999994 = 0.75 BTC [+] | [23:22] |
dub | it ran twice | [23:22] |
mike_c | hehe, first race it placed last | [23:22] |
kakobrekla | and last race, he places first, | [23:23] |
dub | two lasts iirc so it went off to be a trail^Wglue horse | [23:23] |
kakobrekla | in stakehouse. | [23:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 74 @ 0.00446998 = 0.3308 BTC [+] | [23:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.624999 = 1.25 BTC [+] | [23:23] |
dub | I had a peice of that | [23:23] |
dub | actually not a bad model | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | horses ? | [23:24] |
mike_c | selling crappy racehorses? | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | yeah if you hav someone competent. | [23:24] |
dub | I've got a buddy who owns racehorses actually.. hmm | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | is he a btc buff ? | [23:24] |
dub | learning | [23:24] |
kakobrekla | you know, bitcoin means "to be a horse" in slovene | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | hahaha | [23:25] |
benkay | are the glbse assets on that list? | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but hang a second, it's incomplete yet. | [23:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+] | [23:27] |
mike_c | it's funny cuz it's true :) "biti konj" ? | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | http://dpaste.com/1579444/ < | [23:27] |
ozbot | dpaste: #1579444 | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | 470, but a whole bunch of mpex options etc. | [23:28] |
benkay | mhm | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | [OBSI.HRPT] << look at that lol | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | possibly the cleanest scammer to date. | [23:28] |
benkay | that's not a canonical list though, right? there are other 'security' trading operations not reporting trades in -assets-trades, correct? | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | benkay everything that ever actually traded since april 2012 till today is in that list, except bitfunder stuff cause Ukyo never got with the program. | [23:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00596696 = 0.1492 BTC [-] | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | so you'd need to add bitfunder, pre-2012 crap (since may 2011, on the forum) and that'd be about it | [23:30] |
benkay | oof | [23:30] |
benkay | much work | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | such doge! | [23:30] |
benkay | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3370.msg54804#msg54804 | [23:31] |
ozbot | Looking for co-investor(s) for credit rating and bail bond system | [23:31] |
benkay | glbception | [23:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.000848 = 0.2968 BTC [-] | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | mhm | [23:32] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, the true value one receives from completing this monstrous task is attaining a knowledge equal only to the gods themselves. | [23:33] |
benkay | no shit. | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | tbh making this list, by hand, would be the qualification for being a bitcoin financial analyst. this is the certificate, like in the old days of the guilds, | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | "go build a boat" | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | let us rejoice we still live in a time when it's humanly possible, and it doesn't even take a full year | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | as opposed to the burdened world of fiat, where useless substitutes take four years+ and deliver no actual value. | [23:34] |
kakobrekla | yes mike_c , biti konj | [23:34] |
kakobrekla | but you say it bit koin | [23:35] |
kakobrekla | dont ask. | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | (which you say donti askj) | [23:35] |
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kakobrekla | lol | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | hehe | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_mix-your-coins-for-1-bitbet-as-mixer.html << benkay you don't even need to do all that. just make odds-neutral bets on already existing propositions. | [23:36] |
ozbot | Mix your coins for 1% - Bitbet as Mixer | [23:36] |
kakobrekla | or make a rejected proposition and fund that | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | eh shuddup | [23:36] |
mike_c | that's basically what he proposed since pi=4 would be rejected | [23:37] |
kakobrekla | why shutup is true | [23:37] |
kakobrekla | :( | [23:37] |
KRS1 | "You Can Raise It But You Can't Spend It" is goddamn perplexing. | [23:38] |
mike_c | how so? | [23:38] |
kakobrekla | mike_c no fees on prop. refunds | [23:39] |
KRS1 | Because like the article states, "At what point over the last two years would [actually using the money] have been a good idea?" | [23:39] |
mike_c | oh yeah, 0% mixer. nice. | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, until people start doing this, after which there will be a 5% fucking fee. | [23:39] |
mike_c | hehe | [23:39] |
mike_c | KRS1: yeah, that's the point. don't invest in a company that is going to use the funds for R&D or have fiat-based returns. | [23:40] |
kakobrekla | dont give me that look, i just dont like misinformation | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [23:41] |
benkay | hang on, why would π=4 get rejected? | [23:41] |
mike_c | cuz it's a bad bet. | [23:41] |
benkay | how is that a bad bet? | [23:42] |
mike_c | um, because nobody would bet on yes? | [23:42] |
benkay | not the criteria. | [23:42] |
kakobrekla | if its not accepted you cant put it on both sides also | [23:42] |
benkay | well, "bad bet" per bitbet faq at least. | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | btw benkay your footnotes scheme is god damn awful | [23:43] |
benkay | my everything is awful | [23:43] |
mike_c | said the pot to the kettle | [23:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00596696 = 0.3401 BTC [-] | [23:43] |
benkay | yeah your footnotes suck too | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | "Also, bets which are not really bets but moreover advertising, advocacy, rambling nonsense and such are unacceptable on BitBet." | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | pi=4 falls under rambling nonsense | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | how do my footnotes suck ?! | [23:44] |
KRS1 | Thats a great article and really "hit home" with me. | [23:44] |
benkay | mouseover text is always broken | [23:44] |
benkay | has always been broken | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | what! ? | [23:44] |
mike_c | 1) not html-encoded properly | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | you hating on the #8217 ? | [23:44] |
mike_c | 2) you can't fking read them because they are long and they disappear before you can read the whole thing | [23:44] |
benkay | that ^^ | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | so click on the thing wtf am i to do | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | want me to hide your back button too ? | [23:45] |
mike_c | clicking on them disrupts the reading flow too much | [23:45] |
benkay | also iirc your footnotes fuck up your linespacing | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | but i cant contropl how long your browser keeps tooltips up | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | mine keeps them forever. | [23:45] |
mike_c | well you could. moar JS. | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, YOURS suck more because of the pagination you use which is ugly! | [23:45] |
benkay | well someday when i'm endowed with a reasonable amount of capital i'll pay someone to fix it | [23:46] |
benkay | in the meantime | [23:46] |
benkay | there are words, aren't there? | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | ^ his | [23:46] |
jurov | http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/31/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-7-Bonds-and-MPOE-stock | [23:46] |
ozbot | MPEx: The Missing Manual 7 - Bonds and S.MPOE stock - serialized delusions | [23:46] |
jurov | only futures and i'm done | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | one day when i;m rich ima fix my footnotes | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | jurov you're never done. | [23:46] |
jurov | lol at least for today | [23:47] |
jurov | er..in fact i'm not. today is opex | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | just your luck. | [23:47] |
mike_c | the20year: you are turning bitcoin into $, which i think is a bad idea. | [23:47] |
jurov | he is turning them into brick and mortar | [23:48] |
jurov | or at least plywood | [23:48] |
jurov | or dry board? | [23:48] |
mike_c | well, not any | [23:48] |
mike_c | untrue | [23:48] |
mike_c | bitbet, for example, will not crash if BTC appreciates | [23:49] |
benkay | good luck getting btc-denominated rent, the20year | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | its revenue would decline | [23:49] |
mike_c | or it would not decline :) | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | there are plenty short term investments that could outpace bitcoin | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | name one ? | [23:50] |
ThickAsThieves | longterm ones, much harder | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | we just went through this with herbi yest. | [23:50] |
mike_c | bitbet fee revenue was higher in Q4 2013 than Q3 2013 despite massive BTC appreciation | [23:50] |
ThickAsThieves | anything that appreciates in value 10% while bitcoin only moves 2% | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | i guess we managed to conserve purchasing power parity or what was the line ? | [23:51] |
mike_c | kako works for peanuts | [23:51] |
ThickAsThieves | [23:51] | |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468891 | [23:52] |
ThickAsThieves | many bets were made in months ago | [23:52] |
ThickAsThieves | new bets will be smaller | [23:52] |
mike_c | like the february difficulty bet? | [23:52] |
ThickAsThieves | i read that conv mp | [23:52] |
ThickAsThieves | i said short term | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | a ok. so... not that easy to outpace it. | [23:52] |
ThickAsThieves | not on full timescale | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | well... he was saying short term too. | [23:53] |
ThickAsThieves | just a slice in time | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | what's short term here, two weels ? | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | you can't run corps on a two week horizon. just getting a sale throguh is longer than that. | [23:53] |
ThickAsThieves | 1-90 days at best ;) | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | think about it. you wanna buy a house. you do dd. that's a week if you're mercury himself. | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | then engotiate a price. that's a month or two | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | then you do the paperwork etc. | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | there's your 90 days | [23:54] |
ThickAsThieves | or, I buy TSLA at 165 and sell at 185 | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | yeah but see, the convenience of financial speculation is built on some people actually doing operations at some point. | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | kinda their problems we're discussing | [23:55] |
ThickAsThieves | indeed, TSLA did not actually become $20 more valuable in a few days | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, you can arguably have ops w/o speculation, dubious and sickly as that may be | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | you defo can't have speculation without any ops. | [23:56] |
ThickAsThieves | what about you backing options? | [23:56] |
ThickAsThieves | whats that? | [23:56] |
ThickAsThieves | charity? | [23:57] |
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mircea_popescu | kinda. | [23:59] |
mike_c | it's a loss leader | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | nah. | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | it's actually the backstop function of government. | [23:59] |
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