Forum logs for 29 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
TheNewDeal gribble is just questionable with this prediction. 11.5 % seriously ? [00:07]
TheNewDeal ;;nethash [00:07]
gribble 203785160.63 [00:07]
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thestringpuller is there a mole among us? [00:11]
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TheNewDeal please do tell [00:14]
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thestringpuller TheNewDeal: who me? [00:16]
TheNewDeal yes yes [00:16]
thestringpuller It just smells like there is a mole among us. [00:17]
TheNewDeal intresting [00:17]
thestringpuller perhaps the sybil attack has already begun... [00:21]
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BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com sybil attack [00:22]
gribble Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it ...: ; Transcript for #bitcoin-dev 2013/03/12 :: BitcoinStats - Trilema: ; A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message) [00:22]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get how bip0064 compromises nodes << Allows very memory intensive requests which can crash nodes. [00:26]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/08/27#l1409155575 << Absorb the harm of Hearn "Why can't bitcoind automatically restart?" [00:27]
assbot BitcoinStats [00:27]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell devthedev lulzy imposter log you shared http://pastebin.com/DcyL3eyT [00:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:28]
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assbot 3:03:46 PMbingoboingo- Hello 3:03:53 PMbingoboingo- how u been 3:06:54 PM - Pastebin.com [00:28]
TheNewDeal I'm mostly afraid of a sibyl vane attack [00:30]
punkman BingoBoingo: I got one from a fluffypony- http://dpaste.com/0D0CQEC [00:31]
assbot dpaste: 0D0CQEC [00:31]
fluffypony lol [00:31]
BingoBoingo That's a long one [00:32]
BingoBoingo ;;ident [00:32]
gribble Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None [00:32]
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Guaca-mole someone called for a mole [00:38]
BingoBoingo Nice [00:38]
BingoBoingo I was hoping more for a red mole though [00:39]
BingoBoingo For Tamales [00:39]
mod6 mmm devour the red mole [00:39]
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BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eq8gi/getutxos_a_convenient_way_to_crash_bitcoind/ck34k8s << The heart of infiltration [00:41]
assbot nullc comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind [00:41]
BingoBoingo Oh Red-Pepper-Chile much better, thanks [00:41]
BingoBoingo !b 8 [00:41]
Red-Pepper-Chile spicy [00:41]
assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PJ218W.txt ) [00:41]
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punkman http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html [00:46]
assbot Dave's Data: Minting Money with Monero ... and CPU vector intrinsics [00:46]
punkman fluffypony, how's monero these days? [00:47]
fluffypony good [00:47]
fluffypony busy [00:47]
mircea_popescu someone called for a mole << hahaha [00:48]
mircea_popescu "Mike's response to that concern included the idea that "the community" would "just" decide to delete UTXOs - that is freeze funds - by creating a chain fork. Not the first time he's suggesting freezing funds; I think he's being a bit tone deaf here..." [00:50]
mircea_popescu he's not being tone deaf. teh usg wants to be able to take over bitcoin, is all. [00:50]
ben_vulpes where's that from, mircea_popescu ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu reddit above [00:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo's link [00:51]
BingoBoingo Looks like the node behavior battle is warming up [00:52]
mircea_popescu i like how hearn is attacking todd lol. asif. [00:52]
mircea_popescu fluffypony-: ;;gettrust fluffypony << lawl [00:53]
fluffypony yeah [00:53]
fluffypony as if [00:53]
mircea_popescu ;;ident mircea_popescu- [00:54]
gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. [00:54]
mircea_popescu aww. [00:54]
mircea_popescu i should prolly group all these huh. [00:55]
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mircea_pope5cu i guess that's all i can think of. [00:57]
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mircea_popescu owait. [00:58]
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ben_vulpes kazing: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eq8gi/getutxos_a_convenient_way_to_crash_bitcoind/ck216c2 [00:59]
assbot justusranvier comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind [00:59]
mircea_popescu cazalla: is price-to-income a good way of evaluating a housing bubble? << it's an indicator. tho it also reflects the center/periphery balance (ie, in any realm, the capital is cheapest and the fringes most expensive. that's where mining happens or w/e, higher risk adventuring. easier money, less boring people, higher risk so many explanations for larger rents) [01:01]
jurov you forgot mirceau_popescue :) [01:01]
mircea_popescu lol [01:01]
mircea_popescu "Satoshi created a hairball. It takes years sometimes to cleanup a codebase that has accumulated a lot of technical debt. It's not reasonable to just stop all feature development in the meantime." [01:02]
mircea_popescu fucking hell ? a) STILL with the "satoshi hairball" bs ? 5 years later ? b) it's not "Reasonable" ? it';s fucking mandatory. [01:02]
mircea_popescu "o my house is burning, it's not reasonable to stop watching pokemon while putting the fire out" [01:02]
ben_vulpes the house might get wet though! [01:02]
mircea_popescu the problem with reddit is that a fucktarded audience gives incentive for fucktarded arguments from people who would otherwise shut up. [01:03]
mircea_popescu this is why you don't want every dick and jane "participating". they fucking corrupt anything they participate in. [01:03]
jurov well, PHP style [01:04]
BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eq8gi/getutxos_a_convenient_way_to_crash_bitcoind/ck1zks8 [01:04]
assbot mike_hearn comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind [01:04]
mircea_popescu people - reasonable, respectable people that is - need to stop engaqging that scumbag in conversation and simply insult him wherever he shows up. [01:05]
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fluffypony if only you were still on Twitter and could just threaten his life [01:05]
fluffypony :-P [01:05]
mircea_popescu o, the notion that hearn survives the transfer of power is just ludicrous anyway. [01:06]
mircea_popescu i didn [01:06]
mircea_popescu 't imagine anyone had any lingering doubts. [01:07]
* mircea_popescu has the great buenos aires trial of the enemies of freedom script half written already. [01:07]
BingoBoingo https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2900#issuecomment-22728664 [01:07]
assbot Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by petertodd Pull Request #2900 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [01:07]
ben_vulpes well with all this drama i should be a millionaire any day [01:09]
mircea_popescu confucius sez : one is not a millionaire by day what is a million at night. [01:10]
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ben_vulpes ;;ticker [01:11]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.0, Best ask: 507.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.47000, Last trade: 507.47, 24 hour volume: 7688.93959555, 24 hour low: 507.0, 24 hour high: 515.58, 24 hour vwap: 510.487601858 [01:11]
ben_vulpes WHERE'S MY LULZBOUNCE [01:11]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol: blaming banks for bubble is like blaming bartenders for alcoholism << this has a lengthy tradition in the puritan world. [01:11]
mircea_popescu dub: a bartender can't legally serve someone thats already drunk as fuck, a bank only has its own criteria << actualkly a bank also can't lend to the bankrupt, so... [01:12]
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kakobrekla still both do it [01:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: http://seba.eu.org/public/ebola.png <<< sooo, it's an epidemic ? [01:13]
kakobrekla dunno [01:13]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: in making the election to accept $20 for a cab ride home, you will be deemed to not have been drugged and assaulted at my house last night << sounds legit. [01:15]
mircea_popescu kinda how coed partying works irl no ? [01:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: dvsdude dont worry about your chumphood, we all got chumped at some point << orly now :D [01:15]
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mircea_popescu xanthyos whoa straight flush ? [01:17]
mircea_popescu to the ace, pre river ? that's what, 1 in 300k [01:18]
kakobrekla http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2014-August/082585.html [01:19]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: i suspect Cavirtex is doing fundraising or such and wants to fuck over the real early angels << if this is true, the published announcement opens all the directors to pretty serious criminal liability, not to mention that any court would undo the "sale". [01:20]
mircea_popescu in fact, any half-sane investor would back out once this mess is brought to their attention, seeing how the only thing coming out of it is a decade of litigation on his money. [01:21]
mircea_popescu o hal finney died huh. rip. [01:21]
kanzure he is just temporarily inconvenienced [01:22]
mircea_popescu dude i tell you... reviving sickly old farts sounds pretty fucking threatening. [01:23]
kanzure why's that? [01:23]
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mircea_popescu you know what pays for keeping 60yos around to be 80yo currently ? [01:24]
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mircea_popescu to put it another way : a century ago, back when university professors had the common decency to die aged 60ish, kids ended up with assistant professroships aged 20something, not 30+. [01:27]
punkman same scammer is trying kakobrekla- now http://dpaste.com/1KCDQ05 [01:28]
assbot dpaste: 1KCDQ05 [01:28]
Apocalyptic "punkman: that's fluffypony's email" lol'd [01:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0008518 = 21.7209 BTC [+] {2} [01:36]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: xanthyos whenever I played SWC I also suspected that good hands came too often << as long as they come equally often for everyone, i imagine the argument goes, this isn'tr cheating but promotion. [01:38]
mircea_popescu xanthyos: TheNewDeal: the site has a profit motive in having big showdowns. in cash games it increases rake taken on the hand. << it's not just that. most poker players are idiots. they like to see the pretty pictures. makes them feel better about themselves. [01:39]
mircea_popescu punkman: ben_vulpes: oic, they put everything in btcwire library, but btcd won't use it << bitwire is iirc todd's thing to make network move faster [01:41]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: then later "hey did you get my message?" << they don't have gribble where they live. because barbarians. [01:42]
mircea_popescu and because "usability" [01:42]
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mircea_popescu jurov: it's beneath them to concern with individual and personal key verification << yeah, because everyone wants to talk to people it can't even learn the name of. totally. [01:42]
kakobrekla punkman he doesnt want to talk to me :( [01:43]
mircea_popescu i wonder why [01:44]
kakobrekla not like i can dcc bite him [01:44]
mircea_popescu you prolly can, actually. [01:45]
BingoBoingo http://www.bnd.com/2014/08/27/3370370/lawsuit-deputies-coerced-confession.html << Yates, who has diminished cognitive ability, was repeatedly told that they knew he was involved in the robbery and that he could avoid being put into jail by confessing, the lawsuit states. A visibly shaken Yates eventually agreed to admit to the crime to end the psychologically brutal interrogation, his attorneys said. The defendants had to repeated [01:52]
BingoBoingo ly spoon-feed details to him about the armed robbery. [01:52]
assbot Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat [01:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00085376 = 11.3123 BTC [+] [02:01]
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kakobrekla dunno /dcc bite sez command not found [02:02]
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ben_vulpes framing retards [02:16]
ben_vulpes way2go [02:16]
ben_vulpes i've heard some great rumors on the hipster conspiracy circuit lately [02:16]
ben_vulpes "you must have an iq of less than 115 to actually pass the tests and be a cop" [02:17]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ancient romanian joke : people trying to become cops are given an intelligence test, the geometric shapes and box with cutouts thing. [02:20]
mircea_popescu test results : 1% of candidates are smart [02:21]
mircea_popescu 99% are strong. [02:21]
ben_vulpes heheh [02:21]
ben_vulpes http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/08/27/report-dogs-eating-dead-bodies-of-ebola-victims-on-liberian-streets/ [02:21]
assbot Report: Dogs Eating Dead Bodies Of Ebola Victims On Liberian Streets « CBS Atlanta [02:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: originally soviet afaik [02:22]
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mircea_popescu yeah well [02:24]
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asciilifeform so - how long does conformal corp. have before one should conclude they failed the 'test' (approved mircea_popescu's comment) ? [02:26]
mircea_popescu next time they publish something on that blog ? [02:27]
BingoBoingo http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/08/dont-quit-your-day-job.html [02:27]
assbot Crazy RxMan: Don't Quit your Day Job [02:27]
TomServo ;;bc,stats [02:27]
gribble Current Blocks: 317985 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26605822005.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.57974 [02:27]
BingoBoingo so - how long does conformal corp. have before one should conclude they failed the 'test' (approved mircea_popescu's comment) ? << Another possibility may be retarded/ovezealous/otherwise poisoned spam filtering. [02:28]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not likely, given the very low index of the comment in question [02:29]
mircea_popescu was a few hundred, they don't get that many comments. [02:29]
BingoBoingo Ah [02:30]
asciilifeform 'included the idea that "the community" would "just" decide to delete UTXOs - that is freeze funds...' [02:30]
* asciilifeform sees this and every time wonders if he's responsible for this crackpottery with 'shitcoin' essay [02:31]
mircea_popescu nah. [02:31]
mircea_popescu this is how much teh usg dimwit in charge of this project comprehends of these matters. fuckwit actually imagined that "the community" is stupid enough and the stupid enough part relevant enough to go for shit like this because... it says "the community" in it. [02:31]
mircea_popescu i guess it's really a comission of idiots, but anyway. [02:32]
mircea_popescu if you look at it, typical she-brained dc staffer mental processes. [02:32]
asciilifeform i suppose everyone here knows what the word 'community' means to a usg muppet [02:32]
asciilifeform hint - the phrase 'international community' [02:32]
BingoBoingo Hearn school of argument: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/lube/ [02:34]
assbot Man 'Accidentally Falls' on Gerbil That Ran Through Lube - Medical Satire - GomerBlog [02:34]
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WoT-Hater we up in socialist canada don't need the wot, eh? we just trust our good neighbor and maple syrup danielpbarron [02:43]
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ben_vulpes danielpbarron is a maple syrup? [02:49]
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mircea_popescu WoT-Hater who're you again ? [02:53]
WoT-Hater just a good citizen clicking a link on the internet, sir [02:57]
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mircea_popescu i guess he clicked once too many. [02:57]
mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/7Q95dn3z << script kiddies hard at work. [03:17]
assbot referer: http://mpex.ws/system/fckeditor/editor/filemanager/browser/default/conn - Pastebin.com [03:17]
BingoBoingo skiddies or sophisticates wearing skiddie clothes for another round of probing? [03:19]
ben_vulpes now i have this image of mp sitting watching trilema logs scroll by on slow days in #b-a [03:21]
BingoBoingo I imagine MP reading these logs off of a projection onto a girl's back as she's bent over [03:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes lol this was actually mpex proxy logs [03:29]
ben_vulpes well mpex, trilema... [03:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo sure gives new meaning to calling someone an asshole. [03:29]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: it'd be her butt and legs were she bent over [03:29]
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mircea_popescu teh buttighs [03:30]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Not if he's inside her [03:30]
mircea_popescu "“Expect the government to take action to bring this rate down – fast,” wrote Bianca Fernet, stilettos-on-the-ground American economist in Buenos Aires and contributor to Wolf Street. T" [03:31]
mircea_popescu lol at that linked thing. [03:31]
mircea_popescu On Friday, the peso recovered a smidgen, and the reported “blue dollar” rate dipped below 14 ARS/USD, after the central bank had reportedly blown $10 million of its foreign exchange reserves to prop it up. << to put this in perspective : the argentine natl bank foreign reserves went up 2.5 bn in the interval since i wrote im supporting them and the reporting cutoff for q2. (ie, early august) [03:32]
mircea_popescu and in other news : http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=F.DERP [03:34]
assbot F.DERP last @0.00000000 [03:34]
mircea_popescu jurov ^ [03:34]
BingoBoingo Best preambulatory clause: "WHEREAS F.DERP issues synthetic equivalents of worthless fiat businesses fraudulently purporting involvement in Bitcoin and exposure to the Bitcoin economy with the irresponsible support of the US propaganda machine as well as the allegedly private investment arm of the US Fed, in order to allow unfettered price discovery for the underlyings in the actual Bitcoin stock market ; " [03:35]
mircea_popescu that reminds me BingoBoingo : i was gonna say i don't like curtis yarvin / mencius moldbug for the following very specific reason - he sounds exactly like a propaganda job for smart people. [03:37]
mircea_popescu ie, he admits some "outrageous" points, which gives him some credence in the eyes of the more naive intelligent folk, youngestrs mostly. he then turns around and uses this capital to consolidate the very monster he pretends to position himself against [03:38]
mircea_popescu stuff like http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.ar/2007/05/bdh-ov-conflict_07.html is a very plain example in this spirit [03:38]
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mircea_popescu "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either." [03:38]
mircea_popescu orly ? [03:38]
mircea_popescu the whole thing works, intentionally or no, as a fine work of mr o'brien. only a fucking imbecile would imagine that THAT is the book of the insurgency. [03:39]
mircea_popescu the insurgency is not derping with stupid books, the insurgency is the mob, amassing power at the bottom of the market fluxes in the utopian world. [03:40]
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mircea_popescu this because back at reality ranch, the only way to win the game is to constantly attack all the way to the king. there's no prizes for having lost the game but "successfully sieged a rook". [03:41]
mircea_popescu which is the spirit behind that clause, and generally speaking the spirit behind everything that'll ever work. [03:42]
mircea_popescu he is consistent in the sense that he doesn't want the current one to crash. [03:42]
mircea_popescu once that's on the table, the difference between yarvin and dutta is purely cosmetic. [03:43]
dignork more that he doesn't see how it can be crashed, so he stays passive [03:43]
mircea_popescu i do not believe so. [03:43]
mircea_popescu if this were the true case he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-killer-ap six weeks after it became obvious to him bitcoin is the killer ap. [03:44]
mircea_popescu he'd have been here, long ago. [03:44]
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dignork He claims that democracy is self-stabilizing mud, and hence almost uncrashable [03:44]
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mircea_popescu i am aware. [03:44]
mircea_popescu this is not a disinterested claim. [03:45]
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dignork in any case, through his writings I was searching for a better model, but he forgot to provide one, so it was fun to read, but nothing more [03:47]
diametric i always love coming home to digikey boxes at my doorstep. [03:47]
mircea_popescu dignork reading can't hurt anyway. [03:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I am astounded by that post, the structure and foundation of his argument, and his conclusions. Applying Subcontinental templates onto Us society with the readiness a programmer might call some javascript data structures to be used in python [03:48]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what i most took exception with was the inane proposition that the mob (w/.e he calls it, d something) had "no cultural insitutions" [03:48]
mircea_popescu fuck off, the only reason you can even have a decent meal in new york is the fucking mob. [03:48]
mircea_popescu as far as that lasts, if it even survived past the brahmin bloomberg. [03:49]
mircea_popescu but that aside, the relative success of b-a as compared to every other dickless-shithead run channel on freenode and beyond speaks directly to the superior cultural achievements and ability of the structured society. [03:49]
BingoBoingo Or that H and D are specifically "Blue" as though he has never been to this "Middle America" [03:50]
mircea_popescu so to come round circle, i guess he could be just incredibly fucking stupid, as dignork proposes. perhaps. [03:51]
mircea_popescu be that as it may, he's a reasonably useful tool, and in a utilitarian world his idiocy does not define him as his utility does. [03:51]
BingoBoingo Maybe he works as a "convenient highlighter" [03:51]
dignork mircea_popescu: I never said he is stupid, but the proposed model is not thought through. [03:52]
BingoBoingo I've never really liked his argumentative style as he tries to put forth the grand societal argment relying on mush that seem reminiscent of Urbit "jets" [03:52]
mircea_popescu dignork de facto, in the "malicious or idiotic" dilemma you were proposing the latter. [03:53]
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mircea_popescu or at least it's what i read. [03:53]
dignork that's an extrapolation, but a good one. [03:54]
BingoBoingo One can not build a banana republic by stacking deck chairs on the titanic. [03:54]
BingoBoingo The water's too deep [03:54]
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mircea_popescu dignork i don't consider idiocy to be any more all-encompassing than genius. one can be a chemistry genius and die of accidental exposure. one can similarly be a complete idiot in say politics and yet an accomplished farmer. [03:55]
mircea_popescu (and yes im thinking of jefferson_ [03:55]
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dignork malicious vs. idiotic problem is an intersting one: when I see somebody smarter than myself, by say +3 points, i can assume that he didn't find a solution because it required +4 [03:57]
dignork alternative: I assume that he is +6, because that's how smart he supposed to be to fool me... [03:58]
dignork default would be +3 [03:58]
mircea_popescu this however is not supported by what we're discussing. when you see someone who displays the mental gymnastics required to comprehend the ffi, and then fails to resolve a problem which requires merely differential calculus [03:59]
mircea_popescu what then ? [03:59]
mircea_popescu s/ffi/fast fourier transform/ [03:59]
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ben_vulpes fft [04:04]
ben_vulpes allo pete [04:04]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.) << they already had a pilot for this. amusingly, it was sold as an expensive ad on for luxury brands. northstar or something. << northstar was the name of a fairly awful gm v8, onstar was their tracking device [04:05]
mircea_popescu ah right [04:05]
pete_dushenski twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton [04:05]
pete_dushenski heya ben_vulpes [04:05]
dignork it also can be a mental barrier, for exmaple if he tries to maintain humanism, while rejecting democracy [04:05]
BingoBoingo Onstar was the meat tracker [04:06]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: ty (and kakobrekla) for fixing the ads! [04:06]
mircea_popescu dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion) [04:07]
BingoBoingo twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton << In undergrad our College's president had a phaeton as his College supplied vehicle. [04:07]
dignork for most, self preservation is above reasoning [04:08]
mircea_popescu no argument. [04:08]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: always loved those understated beasts [04:08]
mircea_popescu most don't get to serve as cultural reference points. for this reason. [04:09]
BingoBoingo dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion) << Amazing how the Yarvins don't separate their reasoned arguments from their emotional rants [04:09]
pete_dushenski i test drove one… and broke it [04:09]
pete_dushenski that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years [04:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo do i ? [04:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You write in a way that the elements of the emotional rants and reasoned arguments have clear seperations discernable to readers [04:10]
mircea_popescu i wonder if this is in any way my merit. [04:10]
mircea_popescu i always thought the distinction is the job of the readership. [04:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: May be because you didn't grow up on Ingles [04:10]
mircea_popescu or maybe because i killed andreas antonowhatevs [04:11]
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BingoBoingo Anyways, misdemeanor disordely case appears to have been continued. Have to get a hold of the lawyer to find out in which of the two ways, the beneficial way ot the optimally beneficial way this went. [04:12]
mircea_popescu no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output. [04:12]
mircea_popescu it's not that the us doesn';t have a great brahmin novel. it has NOTHING. [04:12]
mircea_popescu it contributed to the culture of the world less than fucking chad [04:12]
BingoBoingo no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output. << I blame Husserl and Derrida [04:13]
mircea_popescu and this schmuck has the unmitigated audacity to belittle other shit from atop of all that nonachievement ?! [04:13]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo neither were usians. [04:13]
mircea_popescu at least chadians dance and shit. [04:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The USian Brahmin emulate the French, for some god awful reason. [04:13]
mircea_popescu stupid ass us "brahmins" can't even take their clothes off. [04:14]
mircea_popescu what french lol. i fucked french. [04:14]
mircea_popescu they're emulating a 1844 postcard sent from paris, wisconsin. [04:14]
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mircea_popescu and drawn by some out of work industrial sketcher dude. [04:14]
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BingoBoingo The USian brahamin could have done great if they would have let James starve when the dumpsters ran out of food and instead elevated Peirce [04:15]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo even leaving that scandal aside, consider their treatment of buffett. [04:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: More their imagined sense of the french [04:15]
mircea_popescu guy comprehends more economy than the entire profession of academic economist in the history of the united states. [04:15]
mircea_popescu yet... [04:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: at least chadians dance and shit. << usians twerk [04:16]
mircea_popescu they're doing some pathetic recouping of old-and-senile buffett now, mostly predicated on denouncing as heresy his actually useful contributions, two decades prior. [04:16]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking. [04:16]
mircea_popescu preferably one that doesn't look like a whale coming aground. [04:17]
pete_dushenski sm derps jiggle, black bitches twerk [04:17]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking. << If I still used the Facebook thing this might be possible. [04:17]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ef_q1_uoQ << us brahmin culture. [04:18]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwo8-OCDcQ [04:18]
mircea_popescu that [04:18]
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mircea_popescu 's what it is. [04:18]
pete_dushenski lol i shoulda used douchecanoe instead of contravex [04:19]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski sadly i can't evaluate your contribution because youtube considers it dangerous for minors such as myself. [04:20]
BingoBoingo lol, same here [04:20]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiODkiH_d0 << all white, not all terrible actually [04:22]
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mircea_popescu white is scarcely the qualification here. [04:22]
mircea_popescu 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification. [04:22]
pete_dushenski though it's tough to know if they're white when most faces are obscured and light levels not conducive to determining skin tone [04:22]
pete_dushenski o right [04:23]
mircea_popescu it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded, [04:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he [yarvin] doesn't want the current one to crash << this is because he is persuaded (not necessarily wrongly) that he and his children will be eaten by orcs when crash [04:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so ? [04:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems') [04:24]
mircea_popescu suppose i ran for fucking congress in say south africa, on the internal conviction that upon the destruction of south africa lies my prosperity. [04:24]
mircea_popescu would you expect the electorate there to welcome me ? [04:24]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems') << lies. what is the urbit thing ? [04:24]
asciilifeform the mob << grep mr mold's works for 'looks like hitler' [04:25]
asciilifeform he has phobias. [04:25]
mircea_popescu i meant mob as in, cosa nostra mob. [04:25]
asciilifeform damnit i step out to drill a few holes in the dirt shack and miss all the good stuff (tm) as always. [04:25]
mircea_popescu it didn't go anywhere lol, simmer. [04:25]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel? [04:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:26]
pete_dushenski also, if anyone has restaurant recommendations for latvia+estonia, apply within [04:27]
BingoBoingo he has phobias. << Some people come to Bitcoin out of their technical knowledge. Some people like myself come because crazy. A Yarvin beats around the bushes because of an uncomfortable median? [04:27]
asciilifeform chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ? [04:27]
mircea_popescu so you smell... rotten cum, as a passing waft. you figure... whatever, my mind's brokt. then you smell it again. eventually you tear the whole house upside down, nothing nowhere. to eventually find it comes from.... an older avocado. [04:27]
asciilifeform consider their treatment of buffett >> last i checked he was alive and well ? [04:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but not worshipped. [04:28]
BingoBoingo chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ? << Oftentimes. StL Brick theives have contributed tremendously to Atlanta suburbs, and Florida. [04:28]
mircea_popescu and no, an arsonist isn't a contributor, nor chomski much of an arsonist at all. [04:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform where's buffett's nobel prize ? [04:29]
ben_vulpes that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years << how was it? >? new subies? [04:29]
mircea_popescu where's the "we can't do this because buffett says it's stupid" policy discussion ? [04:29]
asciilifeform buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so [04:29]
asciilifeform if buffett were awarded it, he might well have it shaved into 'goldschlager' so he can shit it out into golden toilet on camera [04:30]
mircea_popescu i dun follow. [04:30]
BingoBoingo buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so << Maybe the point of fiat and inflation was to turn the Nobel reward into a "blue ribbon" at the science fair [04:30]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: was it better than an sti? [04:31]
asciilifeform and apparently 'xapo' sells (but not buys?) btc now. [04:32]
* BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed to his VAN pool, you know the /. traffic is big 24 hours tapers next 24 and returns to "normal" day 3 if previous experiences are informative [04:32]
asciilifeform (new dump engine...) [04:32]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: the 350z was a better highway car by far. effortless 6th gear hauling. fit 2 sets of golf clubs. [04:32]
pete_dushenski subies are kinda hollow feeling on the highway [04:33]
BingoBoingo I still miss my bright red Grand Am with the sound system [04:33]
BingoBoingo But a truck ate it [04:33]
pete_dushenski of course, in the winter, the subie is better at everything as the 350 is parked. [04:33]
asciilifeform an older avocado << [04:34]
pete_dushenski and both are too firm around town [04:34]
kakobrekla dunno if xapo does much more than send out spam [04:34]
* asciilifeform tried to eat an avocado as starving student, found out what 50g of ants taste like. [04:34]
BingoBoingo Grand Am was great on the gravel roads and the freeway. [04:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wouldn't/didn't eat them in the states. but here they're pretty great [04:34]
mircea_popescu just... gotta beat the molds to it. [04:34]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: those things were definitely cruisers [04:34]
* asciilifeform dined at house of girl who liked to 'freegan' (term for fishing 'still good!11!' food out of skips) [04:35]
mircea_popescu skips ?! [04:35]
ben_vulpes apropos of nothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ujDoOJXtJE [04:35]
asciilifeform behind grocery stores [04:35]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well, this was a late 90's one. Had exactly all the performance I could want or handle out of a car [04:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement [04:35]
mircea_popescu "brahmin" culture : how to be shockingly fucktarded for no apparent reason. [04:36]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: wd! [04:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps she does now - no idea [04:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement << Some homo spiens apparently idolize Procyon lotor lifestyle [04:37]
ben_vulpes 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification. [04:37]
ben_vulpes << 50k's a pretty low bar these days [04:37]
ben_vulpes that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school [04:38]
mircea_popescu people at the high end schools go into finance and consulting anyway. [04:38]
ben_vulpes it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded, << we're all born so, and either have it beaten out of us or... [04:38]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "nominally" [04:38]
mircea_popescu the average redditard dereping about women in videogames has a degree from middlesex community college. [04:38]
BingoBoingo that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school << It isn't any particular year, but the number of consecutive years you can stack together. [04:38]
ben_vulpes they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees [04:39]
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asciilifeform most u.s. unis bill by something called 'credit hour' - loosely corresponds to 'by weight' [04:39]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel? << *would* [04:39]
asciilifeform with various 'mandatory fees', housing, books, etc. tacked on. [04:40]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes> they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees << I tried to do this and major in "reality studies" a combination of mathematics and philosophy [04:40]
mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo does Περὶ Φύσεως [04:41]
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asciilifeform phun phact. u.s. tuition costs are growing - exponentially. [04:42]
asciilifeform fat racket. [04:42]
mircea_popescu not really. they just follow inflation. [04:43]
asciilifeform the real inflation. [04:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Through much of my childhood I though winning was getting a cabin in the woods and simply abiding. [04:43]
BingoBoingo But then you get a taste of fuck and shit ain't that simple no more [04:44]
mircea_popescu lol [04:44]
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asciilifeform winning was getting a cabin in the woods >> why cabin, and not plane ticket [04:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I was but a larva, I merely wanted to exist with a minimum of external human dependent inputs and persist to a natural end. [04:46]
asciilifeform diametric: what was in the box ? [04:47]
diametric asciilifeform: a bunch of molex microfit 3 connectors [04:47]
diametric so i can connectorize all my things [04:47]
asciilifeform neato [04:48]
* asciilifeform rarely buys from 'digikey' these days because fat minimum order [04:48]
cazalla mircea_popescu, you can avoid that youtube mature login bullshit by changing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uiODkiH_d0 to https://www.youtube.com/v/1uiODkiH_d0 [04:48]
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diametric i try to wait until i have a ton of things i want. [04:48]
diametric but i ran out of connectors a while ago and i have a few 3d printers i want to throw connectors on the tool heads so I can switch out various hotends for testing. [04:49]
asciilifeform diametric: molex is a bitch if you want machine-self-changing heads though [04:49]
asciilifeform has the retainer peg, has to be pressed [04:50]
diametric yeah, i don't want those for these [04:50]
asciilifeform aha [04:50]
diametric that would be cool to do on my delta though. [04:50]
BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/feds-balk-at-courts-order-to-explain-no-fly-list-selection-process/ [04:51]
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ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ujDoOJXtJE#t=212 [04:51]
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asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-death-of-the-gamers-and-the-women-who-killed-them [04:52]
assbot The death of the gamers and the women who killed them | Ars Technica [04:52]
asciilifeform ^ linked from above [04:52]
asciilifeform RIP arse technica. [04:52]
ben_vulpes and for mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ujDoOJXtJE#t=270 [04:53]
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asciilifeform and, apparently, this http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/popular-gamers-real-life-swat-raid-livestreamed-on-twitch happened. [04:53]
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decimation diametric: I use those overpriced 'anderson powerpole' connectors for high-current dc power [04:54]
BingoBoingo Mexican gun laws are weird [04:54]
decimation re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities [04:55]
asciilifeform decimation: that's specifically who mr. mold is afraid of. [04:55]
diametric decimation: funny enough, i've been using traxxas connectors for high-current dc myself. [04:55]
asciilifeform or rather - majorities [04:55]
decimation diametric: I bought the custom powerpole crimp tool, so I'm stuck [04:56]
decimation at any rate, I Yarvin's model of elite whites being allied with minorities/plebes against productive people is quite obvious. The problem is that the gig is up, the elite/underclass are the clear winners [04:57]
BingoBoingo How am I supposed to finance a walk through Mexico and build a war chest by picking a cartel and selling their enemy's heads to them. MOdern Role Playing Games are a lie. [04:57]
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mircea_popescu cazalla thanks, a whole world of white girls twerking lays open to me now! [04:59]
BingoBoingo Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico even if the weapon is lawfully registered in your name in the United States (or any other country of residence) and even when the weapon falls under the types and calibers permitted for civilian ownership in Mexico. Unless the bearer has explicit authorization from the Secretariat of National Defense, it is illegal and punishable by law to enter Mexican territory with [04:59]
BingoBoingo any firearm as well as to keep and carry any firearm on your person or vehicle at any time, anywhere. These permits cannot be obtained at Mexican customs and immigration when entering Mexico. They must be obtained in advance and in possession of the bearer before any gun enters Mexico. Once entering Mexico with a gun without previous authorization from the Mexican government, a crime has been committed.[36]"" [04:59]
decimation diametric: how much do those cost?? they look expensive [05:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: Ar's diplomatic site has same rule, with almost identical wording [05:00]
BingoBoingo This just means an innocent backpacker must pick a cartel sooner to survive to guatemala [05:00]
diametric decimation: cheap when you but the chinese knockoffs that in my experience are the same quality. [05:00]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Ars has dealers outside the capitol city though [05:01]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: presumably mexico would prefer that you 'buy local' [05:01]
asciilifeform support their light industry. [05:01]
decimation mexican gunsmiths need stimulating? [05:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mexico has exactly 1 retailer, equivalent of a red state ABV store [05:01]
asciilifeform abv ? [05:01]
decimation diametric: http://www.andersonpower.com/products/singlepole-connectors.html << powerpoles. can buy up to 350 amp rating! [05:02]
assbot Powerpole® Stackable Connector, Anderson Power Products [05:02]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Alcoholic Beverage Commision, red state relic in red states without viable businesses [05:03]
diametric decimation: nice. [05:03]
diametric most of my high amp stuff is RC related, and usually only burst up above 100 amps at any given time [05:03]
decimation mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap [05:03]
diametric though, I think my days of flying RC stuff are over. the only place i had time to do it at put up a massive fence that prevents me from retrieving my aircraft when it crashes over the field. [05:04]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: have ye heard tell of the OLCC? [05:04]
mircea_popescu re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities << why not ? [05:05]
mircea_popescu power, money and a disinterest in "theory" as pencilnecks misrepresent it. [05:05]
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asciilifeform diametric: consider adding landing gear [05:05]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: OLCC? [05:05]
BingoBoingo Imma trying to remember a lot of abreviations [05:05]
ben_vulpes Oregon Liquor Control Commission [05:05]
ben_vulpes our local state-owned booze monopoly [05:05]
* asciilifeform pictured 'one-line c contest' [05:06]
decimation mircea_popescu: Italians generally have become 'integrated' to the degree that they are no longer looked upon as minorities [05:06]
ben_vulpes all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon [05:06]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: No, not specifically. [05:06]
diametric asciilifeform: maybe if i was pro at flying. [05:06]
decimation no doubt actual mobsters have plenty of friends in the underclasses [05:06]
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decimation USG isn't pleased with flying robots either [05:07]
mircea_popescu Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. costa rica exit checks made an older french woman throw away her clearly rare & expensive cream. i put the thing right on top of the pile, explained to the guy it's got no clip. the guy was "a ok, if it has no clip..." waved me through. woman's [05:07]
mircea_popescu eyes bulged about a foot. [05:07]
mircea_popescu decimation i dun see this entire racialist angle. it either is one thing or the other. [05:08]
ben_vulpes cream coulda been derpslosives tho! [05:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Beautiful [05:08]
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mod6 %tslb [05:08]
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mircea_popescu now mind, i wouldn't recommend anyone try it just like that. [05:08]
mod6 lol [05:09]
mircea_popescu i'm a dangerous nut to follow blindly. [05:09]
ben_vulpes that's not so unbelievable. [05:09]
decimation mircea_popescu: Here's my confusion. Yarvin would call a USG-funded professor a "brahmin", but said professor is a parasite on society, in a manner that is much more harmful than your average urban poor folk. [05:09]
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ben_vulpes the rules for firearm handling at us airports are pretty cut-and-dried. [05:09]
decimation is professor a criminal or part of the overclass? [05:09]
mod6 oh whoops [05:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism. [05:09]
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asciilifeform presumably ok at airport, even. [05:10]
* asciilifeform has not obtained and tried [05:10]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << wut ?! [05:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism. << According to US definitions that part IS the rifle [05:10]
asciilifeform aha. [05:10]
asciilifeform whatever has the serial number stamp is 'the rifle' [05:10]
asciilifeform ancient law. [05:10]
BingoBoingo the lower reciever IS the rifle [05:10]
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asciilifeform this was the original inspiration for the 'plastic printed rifle' thing. that portion, apparently, is not exposed to gas pressure and can be made of virtually anything harder than cardboard [05:11]
mircea_popescu is professor a criminal or part of the overclass? << to be a criminal he'd have to commit a crime. what's the crime here ? [05:11]
mod6 anyway, saw this: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=175 so decided to finally try to fix this for the 3rd time. a much more simple approach now, thanks to Apocalyptic for the help. [05:11]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [05:11]
decimation robbing said urban poor folk to propagandize their children [05:11]
mircea_popescu um. you're playing too fast and kinda loose with the definitions. [05:12]
mircea_popescu what's next, capitalist profit = robbery of the workers ? [05:12]
cazalla coinfire are pretty lulzy, one line and i'm reelin' em in http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/26/gaw-increasing-hashlet-prices/ [05:12]
assbot GAW Increasing Hashlet Prices Again - Coin Fire [05:12]
cazalla he'll step down if i request it lol [05:13]
BingoBoingo cazalla: The GAW thing smells so much of scam and marketing Y as X [05:13]
decimation mircea_popescu: I would ceratianly agree that whatever one wants to label "brahmin culture" in the us, it hasn't contributed much to global human capital [05:13]
BingoBoingo ;;google iggy fancy [05:14]
gribble Iggy Azalea - Fancy (Explicit) ft. Charli XCX - YouTube: ; Fancy Lyrics - Iggy Azalea | MetroLyrics: ; Fancy (Iggy Azalea song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [05:14]
kakobrekla http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/27/romania-joins-first-bitcoin-foundation-chapter-affiliate-eastern-europe/ [05:14]
kakobrekla go romania [05:14]
assbot Romania Joins As First Bitcoin Foundation Chapter Affiliate in Eastern Europe - Coin Fire [05:14]
ben_vulpes OLD NOOZ, KAKO [05:14]
kakobrekla sez latest story on dat scamsite [05:15]
BingoBoingo Went from being promising to scamsite so fast that one did [05:16]
mod6 ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs X-BT.com & Nice guy, helped fix a bug in atcbot [05:16]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 1 to 1. [05:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 394 @ 0.00250208 = 0.9858 BTC [-] [05:16]
decimation asciilifeform: said part is called "lower receiver" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/26/80-ar-15-receiver-determination-letter-atf/ << apparently you can only make for personal use, thus 3d printing [05:16]
assbot 80% AR-15 Lower Receiver Determination Letter from the ATF - The Firearm Blog [05:16]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you're late [05:17]
decimation asciilifeform: no word on whether selling a cardboard cutout version would be similiarly banned [05:17]
kakobrekla better late than later. [05:17]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk [05:18]
assbot AZEALIA BANKS - 212 FT. LAZY JAY - YouTube [05:18]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: 2 different azelia's [05:19]
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mircea_popescu !up BigBitz [05:19]
-assbot- You voiced BigBitz for 30 minutes. [05:19]
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ben_vulpes hook from the latter "i guess that cunt gettin' eatin" [05:19]
mircea_popescu what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? [05:19]
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ben_vulpes of fucking course bingo, the latter is black and makes better music [05:20]
mircea_popescu !up cardigm [05:20]
-assbot- You voiced cardigm for 30 minutes. [05:20]
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ben_vulpes ;;gettrust danielpbarron [05:20]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013 [05:20]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: :) [05:20]
asciilifeform decimation: interesting re: linked photo set (milling on a drill press!) very 'jungle conditions' [05:20]
asciilifeform but loopholes work only for so long as the crown wishes. [05:20]
mircea_popescu decimation that for one thing. for the other, the only way to read yarvin's definition outside of "the mob" would require absolute midwestern innocence of the mob [05:20]
decimation asciilifeform: it's amusing to what degree folks are willing to comply with plainly idiotic usg regulations [05:21]
mircea_popescu as an ~urban~ institution mind you. it has nothing to do with italians, other than in the sense italians were at the time the most urban ethnic group in the us [05:21]
asciilifeform decimation: the more interesting thing is the belief that 'compliance' will save them from gasenwagen [05:21]
* decimation is innocent of the mob, in a midwestern way [05:21]
mircea_popescu i can tell. [05:21]
ben_vulpes i got my first negrating this month guys [05:21]
BingoBoingo what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? << My best impression is he is trying to WoT up a bunch of local acquaintances and... old tensions and dramas come forth, but I lack context to interpret severity... [05:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is why stuff like 1984 are so good. the fuckwit hero actually believes that o'brien is the guy to go to for the secret book. [05:22]
mircea_popescu i mean... what the fuck more. [05:22]
decimation mircea_popescu: it is rarely the case that one walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob' [05:22]
mircea_popescu decimation really ? [05:22]
mircea_popescu i would suspect it much depends on what you mean by "one". [05:22]
asciilifeform walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob' -- japan. [05:22]
mircea_popescu it's not that when i ran into the local mobsters i immediately knew. it's that they ALSO figured it out within five minutes. [05:22]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQOD8M6Okoc [05:23]
assbot Heavy Metal And Reflective (Official Music Video) - Azealia Banks - YouTube [05:23]
mircea_popescu the same argument could be made by a blonde twerking ditz going "it's not that she ever ran into anything labeled physics" [05:23]
mircea_popescu or "code" [05:23]
decimation asciilifeform: I find it amusing that folks with retirement accounts work so hard to 'shelter' them from taxation under the latest rules, as if usg would allow one to accumulate wealth without taking it [05:24]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what'd you do ? [05:24]
mircea_popescu decimation hehehe quite. [05:25]
decimation the latest deal is 'roth' - the deal being that if you pay taxes now, usg promises never to tax your earnings on that money again [05:26]
decimation I find this to be as likely as darth vader abiding by his verbal contract [05:26]
mircea_popescu and in the same vein : i find it amusing that folks in a quarrel with the government hire government agents to "defend" them at significant expense. [05:26]
thestringpuller who here is on #bitcoin-assets at dragon con [05:27]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate [05:28]
decimation mircea_popescu: my experience is that most fleecing of the taxpayers takes place by former gov't employees [05:28]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell ognasty do stop in to the channel of record and explain how i'm abusing the WoT rating system. [05:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:28]
mircea_popescu o that guy. [05:29]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller what's a dragon con ? [05:29]
decimation USG doesn't allow gov't employees to have free meals or more than $20 per year in gifts from potential 'business' contacts [05:30]
decimation http://www.oge.gov/Topics/Gifts-and-Payments/Gifts---Payments/ [05:30]
assbot U.S. Office of Government Ethics - Gifts & Payments [05:30]
decimation it is well known that the way to 'game' this system is to provide very favorable business terms to a large company, who will hire you after you 'retire' for a very large salary [05:31]
thestringpuller ;;google dragon con [05:31]
gribble Home Page | Dragoncon: ; Memberships & Presales | Dragoncon: ; Guests | Dragoncon: [05:31]
thestringpuller tl;dr; giant nerd convention [05:31]
thestringpuller for the south east [05:31]
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decimation famous example: http://www.govexec.com/defense/2004/11/ex-boeing-cfo-pleads-guilty-in-air-force-procurement-scandal/18035/ [05:32]
assbot Ex-Boeing CFO pleads guilty in Air Force procurement scandal - Defense - GovExec.com [05:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.274 = 0.548 BTC [-] [05:33]
mircea_popescu decimation "scam" only inasmuch as boeing is tbtf anyway, so without this scam it'd have had to be a different scam. [05:35]
mircea_popescu but having someone to scapegoat is always the preferred avenue. poor abakumov. [05:35]
mircea_popescu "how dares this lowly individual give boeing money we'd have given it anyway" [05:36]
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decimation mircea_popescu: yeah that's how I read it. the taxpayers "needed" to give that money away, and plenty of 'legitimate' boeing execs will get golden parachutes, etc. [05:38]
ben_vulpes how was dryun coerced though? [05:38]
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decimation ben_vulpes: you mean how did they get her to talk? [05:39]
ben_vulpes sure, that [05:39]
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ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i'm now playing The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill loud enough for the bums outside the warehouse to hear [05:40]
ben_vulpes landlord of record has 2? 3? kw of sound equipment for my pleasure. [05:40]
decimation ben_vulpes: that's actually also interesting. turns out her daughter was invovled: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-04-23/business/0404230199_1_darleen-druyun-michael-sears-integrated-defense-systems [05:41]
assbot Daughter shielded in Boeing scandal - Chicago Tribune [05:41]
decimation "According to her plea agreement, Druyun contacted Sears four years ago and asked if he could arrange a Boeing job for her daughter's then-boyfriend, Michael McKee. McKee was "immediately contracted" by Sears and began working at Boeing in September 2000, the document shows." [05:41]
ben_vulpes i can't wrap my head around how these people would give dryuns kids jobs and not see this coming ten miles away [05:42]
ben_vulpes i figure this is related to why i can't make any money scamming "nobody will ever fall for that!" [05:42]
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decimation ben_vulpes: in the world of ex-gov't employees collecting their post-employment paychecks, this was a pretty stupid case [05:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google Lauryn Hill nude [05:43]
gribble Lauryn Hill Nude Photos Leaked Online - Mediamass: ; Lauryn Hill Highest-Paid Singer in the World - Mediamass: ; Lauryn Hill dead 2014 : Fugees ex-lead singer killed by celebrity ...: [05:43]
decimation http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-20/ex-nsa-chief-pitches-advice-on-cyber-threats-to-the-banks.html << "Joining a crowded field of cyber-consultants, the former National Security Agency chief is pitching his services for as much as $1 million a month." [05:43]
assbot Ex-NSA Chief Pitches Banks Costly Advice on Cyber-Attacks - Bloomberg [05:43]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes quite miseducated. [05:44]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ever listened to the album in question? [05:45]
ben_vulpes actually better question [05:45]
ben_vulpes do you understand black american music as sung/read/rapped? [05:45]
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ben_vulpes not unexpected, asciilifeform [05:46]
ben_vulpes y'r also not a filthy kike [05:47]
* asciilifeform wonders if hybrid of 'klezmer' and 'rap' exists [05:47]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes " understand" ? i get what the words are. [05:48]
ben_vulpes the gypsy dubstep fusion is about as close as it gets right now [05:48]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Unholy hybrid, ear plugs recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM [05:48]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: on a first listen? [05:49]
mircea_popescu yes, on a first listen. but i'm culturally rigid enough to generally regard the entire thing as you know... little more than children babbling. [05:49]
mircea_popescu "o look how cute, he could almost say compunction in spite of his oversized lips" [05:49]
ben_vulpes hue [05:49]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: beats antique is sort of in the genre of mention [05:50]
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decimation a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? [05:50]
mircea_popescu decimation the white hierarchy supporting society collapsed ? [05:50]
asciilifeform how << entropy? [05:51]
BingoBoingo a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << CIA corruption [05:52]
mircea_popescu how does the french underground go from rengaine to "Irreversible" ? [05:54]
mircea_popescu ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. [05:54]
mircea_popescu (if you've not seen that film btw... you might have to. possibly worst film ever made + 10 minutes of monica belucci being raped in the dirt) [05:54]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but anyway, the point was that inasmuch as she's not published her cunt her education is quite appalingly poor. [05:56]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/8becd406-e80b-4e13-bc29-81c6ace8f8f4 [05:58]
assbot Release group Blind Threshold by Beats Antique - MusicBrainz [05:58]
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asciilifeform what's that [05:59]
ben_vulpes a sample of some horrible modern klezmer techno [05:59]
ben_vulpes "klezmer" [05:59]
ben_vulpes "techno" [05:59]
ben_vulpes listener beware [05:59]
ben_vulpes ears may bleed etc [05:59]
ben_vulpes us kids get down, tho [05:59]
decimation "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII [06:02]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUByZb1CkXM [06:02]
BingoBoingo "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII << ALso the decades of persistent paranoia through the cold war [06:02]
mircea_popescu there's no strength to be had among people whose history isn't thus described. [06:02]
assbot Edith PIAF Dans ma rue - YouTube [06:03]
decimation re: cold war paranoia: in retrospect, I think the paranoia was for midwestern kulaks, the elites were all "anti-"communists, in the sense that they thought that the soviet union wasn't "real" communism. Those elites didn't mind sending said kulaks to die in various foreign adventures though. [06:08]
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BingoBoingo decimation: The paranoia shapes the discourse though, as well as the range of possible public discourse. A the end of the Cold War the Soviet block got to purge that, but the "West" had to redirect it to prop their system up. [06:10]
mircea_popescu now that's an interesting point. [06:11]
BingoBoingo The US government won by persisting, Eastern Bloc People qon by quitting the conflict. [06:11]
BingoBoingo *won [06:11]
decimation BingoBoingo: agreed. The same "anti-"communists now hate Putin because he represents everything they hated about Soviet fascism. This is why usg has such an irrational policy vis-a-vie Russia [06:11]
BingoBoingo It's also why the War on Drugs got all of the Military and Propaganda department support in 1992, and why the enshrinement of 9/11 so rapidly took little time. [06:13]
BingoBoingo Were there really that much of a backstock of American Flag Lapel pins just waiting for such a crisis? [06:13]
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decimation absolutely, the cold war defense complex was aimlessly looking for a 'mission' [06:14]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love. [06:14]
decimation http://www.davemanuel.com/images/graphs/us_military_spending_1962-2015.gif [06:15]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "fascist" in this context? [06:16]
ben_vulpes decimation: now normalize it against m3 ;) [06:16]
decimation ben_vulpes: or gold :) [06:16]
ben_vulpes no gold's bullshit as an index due to its captivity in government vaults and its absurd inflation via notes [06:17]
* BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies [06:17]
ben_vulpes i'll let you know if i ever figure it out [06:18]
decimation so was m3. it is interesting that it was discontinued right before it would have gone up hockey-stick style http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/discm3.htm [06:18]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, my business' sole selling point is "we're not fucking retarded and won't flake on you as soon as something more shiny comes along" [06:18]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I'm approaching this problem though as someone dropping into a culture as a full time n00b [06:19]
ben_vulpes with a heavy dose of "also we can handle with a fair degree of politeness anyone in your business who feels compelled to comment on the quality of our work" [06:19]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy? [06:20]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, socialism is the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the individual will be resolved by the group. [06:21]
mircea_popescu fascism is exactly the opposite : the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the group will be resolved by an individual. [06:22]
ben_vulpes that's a tidy duality. [06:23]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy? << One that doesn't resemble the dating environment in a prison [06:23]
mircea_popescu hint : the group doesn't actually exist, not in any way meaningful on the plane where the individuals do. consequently, both these come up with pretty contorted and quickly insane misrepresentations of the group [06:23]
mircea_popescu "to make it work" [06:23]
decimation yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets [06:24]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what distinguishes 'socialism' from 'communism'? [06:25]
BingoBoingo decimation> yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets << I dunno any other explanation for Patton's political positions. [06:25]
BingoBoingo "temperature?" [06:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes poverty. [06:27]
ben_vulpes i mean i have no clue. perhaps communism is just a thing that the us progpagandacrats came up with to point at to distract the proles from that as what was going on on the daily at home [06:27]
mircea_popescu no, communists are poor socialists [06:27]
mircea_popescu socialists are rich communists. [06:27]
mircea_popescu it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ? [06:27]
mircea_popescu the wheel chair. [06:27]
ben_vulpes in the "socialize the losses, privitize the gains"? [06:27]
ben_vulpes (sense of) [06:27]
ben_vulpes yeah. [06:28]
ben_vulpes on a radically different topic (if nobody minds), when miscellaneous computerboxen tell me "falling back to teletype" is that a reference to the Teletype Corporation of the thirties? [06:28]
mircea_popescu which is exactly why union of SOCIALIST republics / chinese COMMUNIST party. [06:29]
mircea_popescu tty [06:29]
BingoBoingo it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ? << The chance of addessing the problem completely with a knife and some anti-folates? [06:29]
decimation heh, no teletype is an old-school method of transmitting ascii/baudot from a computer/remote station to your 'terminal' [06:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work. [06:29]
decimation terminal being in this case a kind of typewriter that can be remotely controlled [06:29]
ben_vulpes is this one of those "tar" -> "tape archive" things? [06:29]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yeah, i figured tty was involved but what does that first 't' stand for? [06:30]
decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleprinter [06:30]
ben_vulpes teletype, which...ancient transmission of text hardware? [06:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ah this problem again... [06:30]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yep [06:30]
ben_vulpes lol decimation i have that precise url open right now already [06:30]
ben_vulpes man! [06:30]
ben_vulpes computers are fascinating devices. [06:30]
ben_vulpes there's like 80 years of decisions in this thing. [06:31]
decimation traditionally one uses frequency-shift keying over radio to send these characters, using a restricted character set [06:31]
ben_vulpes frequency shit keying... [06:31]
* ben_vulpes googles frantically [06:31]
decimation (for radio teletype (rtty)) [06:31]
ben_vulpes my mother once wrote her articles on a 4 line typewriter-cum-puter thing [06:33]
ben_vulpes there were 4 lines of lcd (or maybe only 2, i was a wee one at the time) and then transmitted them to the poo-snaper via fax iirc [06:34]
assbot Teleprinter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:34]
decimation this is what the german wwii enciphered RTTY machines looked like: [06:34]
decimation http://www.ticomarchive.com/iv-case-studies/geheimschreiber-t-52 [06:34]
assbot FISH and the Jellyfish Convoy - TICOM Archive [06:34]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work. << You know sometimes this works a la Dallas. Sometimes this doesn't like Dennis Rodman. [06:34]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=760175.0 << This GAW thing seems more and more dangerous... to idiots [06:36]
assbot Watch out for GawMiners, ZenCloud, ZenMiner.. PONZI Scheme! [06:36]
decimation ben_vulpes: that was probably a word processor like this: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/wang2200a/ [06:38]
decimation interestingly these early TTY machines did not use ascii, they used something like baudot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code [06:38]
assbot Baudot code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:38]
decimation 26 letters + 10 numbers = 36, which is 4 more than 2^5, unfortunately. so there were many schemes for attempting to 'squeeze' 36 (plus control chars) into 5 bits [06:39]
ben_vulpes i can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive [06:40]
BingoBoingo Handegg season has begun http://deadspin.com/eastern-illinois-minnesota-featured-a-three-yard-punt-a-1628288919 [06:41]
assbot Eastern Illinois-Minnesota Featured A Three-Yard Punt And Dick Punch [06:41]
asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/propaganda-and-lack-thereof.html << for aficionados [06:43]
assbot ClubOrlov: Propaganda and the lack thereof [06:43]
decimation ben_vulpes: I can. see ascii's blockchain teleprinter [06:43]
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decimation asciilifeform: it is amusing to watch Russia call the west's bluff on this matter [06:46]
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decimation obviously Putin et.al. are convinced that any western opposition is going to be weak and divided. I suspect he even has tacit approval from Germany [06:47]
asciilifeform early TTY machines did not use ascii << try as they might, couldn't have - ascii was standardized in '63. [06:49]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah I skipped over ITA2 [06:49]
asciilifeform and, in some dark corners, 'ebcdic' still lives. [06:50]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [06:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.16, Best ask: 507.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 506.13, 24 hour volume: 5739.72400649, 24 hour low: 503.82, 24 hour high: 514.98, 24 hour vwap: 509.552307541 [06:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2012/orgia-studenteasca/ < ever read this one ? [06:50]
assbot Orgia studenteasca pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not yet! [06:51]
asciilifeform can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive >> program a fifty-cent microcontroller [06:52]
asciilifeform or soviet calculator. etc [06:52]
decimation asciilifeform: or try bouncing some bits off the moon [06:52]
asciilifeform why stop there. consider cost of, e.g., cnc machining, 'bitwise.' [06:53]
decimation asciilifeform: as in machining a plate carrying said bits, or the bits required to control the machine? [06:53]
asciilifeform the latter [06:54]
asciilifeform and of course the costliest bits: mistaken ones. [06:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the idea that there's more than one peoples reading romanian encourages me. im writing a large piece now and ima link a ton of good romanian material, all quite relevant and i imagine a lot moire instructive to teh english native than the romanian. [06:55]
decimation asciilifeform: Taleb would say that some bit redundancy is probably a good idea [06:56]
* asciilifeform wonders what fraction of google's 'translate' load mircea_popescu's site accounts for. [06:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, it's how this international thing works in its actually useful incarnations. [06:57]
* asciilifeform suspects that costliest telegraph bits, not including his 'blockchaintelegraph', were the american 'elf' naval transmitter - before the latter was scrapped for cost reasons [06:57]
mircea_popescu indeed. [06:58]
asciilifeform (rumour has it that it was obsoleted by a clever satellite downlink employing laser) [06:59]
BingoBoingo To most Norte Americanos even UK English is as foreign to them as any Romance Language as the vocaulary on its own is an insurmountable barrier even before approaching grammar [06:59]
asciilifeform ;;google project sanguine [07:00]
gribble Project Sanguine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; BLDGBLOG: Project Sanguine and the Dead Hand: ; the world's largest “radio” station - UW High Energy Physics: [07:00]
decimation asciilifeform: that 'websdr' page allows you to listen to existing elf/vlf transmitters like DHO38 (it comes in loud and strong) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLF_transmitter_DHO38 [07:01]
assbot VLF transmitter DHO38 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [07:01]
decimation decoding the enciphered stream is an exercise for the interested reader :) [07:02]
BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2012/orgia-studenteasca/ << Grammar here is very... "Gymnastic" [07:04]
assbot Orgia studenteasca pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:04]
decimation asciilifeform: there's also the "HAARP" http://vlf.stanford.edu/pubs/multi-hop-whistler-mode-elfvlf-signals-and-triggered-emissions-excited-haarp-hf-heater [07:07]
assbot Multi-hop whistler-mode ELF/VLF signals and triggered emissions excited by the HAARP HF heater | Stanford VLF Group [07:07]
asciilifeform HAARP << defunct, if i recall [07:07]
asciilifeform ^ was used at least as much for academwankage as for any military purpose. [07:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo indeed. [07:08]
decimation asciilifeform: yes, I think you are right http://www.arrl.org/news/haarp-facility-shuts-down << hams hated it because of the HF spam [07:08]
assbot HAARP Facility Shuts Down [07:08]
* asciilifeform once inhabited an office with a mostly complete set of haarp manuals [07:08]
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BingoBoingo ^ was used at least as much for academwankage as for any military purpose. << Academewagen [07:09]
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decimation "HAARP put the world on notice two years ago that it would be shutting down and did not submit a budget request for FY 15, Keeney said, “but no one paid any attention.” Now, he says, they’re complaining. “People came unglued,” Keeney said, noting that he’s already had inquiries from Congress. Universities that depended upon HAARP research grants also are upset, he said." [07:10]
decimation "we deserve free money in exchange for derp" [07:10]
asciilifeform decimation: more like 'mr derp's corner derp shop remains funded, why not us' [07:11]
asciilifeform ;;google golden fleece award [07:15]
gribble Golden Fleece Award - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; William Proxmire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What Proxmire's Golden fleece Did For--And To--Science | The ...: [07:15]
decimation perhaps said Congressmen could find a few hundred welfare recipients of various kinds to give up their benefits for ionospheric research [07:16]
asciilifeform lol [07:16]
asciilifeform usa is a circus for the eternal war between welfare leeches with degrees and ones without [07:17]
mircea_popescu ^ [07:18]
decimation of course I would rank haarp research far above most social science derpage, at least they are building stuff, trying ideas [07:18]
asciilifeform built. tried. [07:19]
decimation good point. [07:19]
asciilifeform it was also good flypaper for envirowhiners [07:19]
decimation like all gov't programs, nothing ever dies [07:19]
asciilifeform who were freed up now to climatederp [07:19]
asciilifeform (idea of pumping the ionosphere to solve the 'mains socket in your pocket' problem is quite old. dates to at least n. tesla.) [07:21]
decimation the us is too poor to afford leeches who climatederp all day [07:21]
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decimation the ionosphere is a worthy research target, I'm just not sure a giant HF transmitter will help much in unraveling its secrets [07:22]
penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/btc-e-bitcoin-exchange-security/ [07:22]
asciilifeform electric airplane, laser pistol, etc. would be neat. [07:23]
decimation it's just too bad that batteries are so terrible [07:24]
asciilifeform arguably even the concept of a 'good' battery has fundamental problems [07:25]
asciilifeform (fast discharge - explode.) [07:25]
asciilifeform the one known solution is called... fuels. [07:25]
asciilifeform we use them. [07:25]
decimation yeah it's hard to get much more 'nano' than ripping apart hydrocarbons for energy [07:26]
asciilifeform not a 'sexy' answer. no grantola for decimation. [07:27]
decimation I once spoke with an ee prof who explained that he had to justify his error correction/information theory research in terms of helping poor minorities [07:29]
asciilifeform never read grant applications. 'you can't unread it.' [07:29]
decimation one wonders about the brain-damaged minions employed by usg to oversee such things [07:30]
asciilifeform the braindamage is baked in. a hypothetical set of intelligent minions would just despair and fellate their pistols. [07:31]
decimation or take a well-paid sinecure in 'industry' [07:31]
mircea_popescu the us is too poor to afford leeches who climatederp all day << they doin';t really cost as much as all that. [07:31]
decimation mircea_popescu: in the 'street beggar' sense? [07:32]
mircea_popescu decimation suppose you meet one of them, and you really like each other. [07:32]
mircea_popescu can she afford to come over for a fuck ? [07:32]
decimation so their cost is well distributed among the population (group) [07:33]
mircea_popescu seems to me if she can't even afford to get fucked she must be pretty damned cheap. [07:33]
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mircea_popescu self-projected pretense to the contrary notwithstanding [07:34]
mircea_popescu (and for a needed counterbalance in all the "onoes pesos" derpage : argentinian hipster chick - mostly can) [07:34]
decimation I suspect half of the 'occupy' protesters were either unpaid 'interns' or students living on mommy's stipend [07:34]
asciilifeform can she afford to come over for a fuck >> in usa, transport is massively subsidized (see earlier discussions re: silicon valley & slave labour for why) [07:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform only justified transport. [07:35]
asciilifeform so pretty much everyone imagines that they merit a personal box on wheels, and carries on living the pretense [07:35]
ben_vulpes these wheelboxen drive me insane [07:35]
decimation usg does much to encourage this notion among the masses [07:35]
ben_vulpes get on a bike. [07:35]
ben_vulpes push your meat around. [07:35]
ben_vulpes quit wasting precious hydrocarbons ffs [07:35]
asciilifeform to the point that, ask american, what he will do immediately prior to starving, he'll answer - 'live in car' [07:35]
asciilifeform this scenario actually plays out routinely [07:36]
decimation definitely, it's easy to find 'car bums' [07:36]
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asciilifeform in that folks will liquidate their dwelling, clothes, etc. - to fuel the beast. [07:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw this yes. [07:36]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: a transition in the lifecycle [07:36]
asciilifeform (for the psychiatric rumunations re: how & why - straight to herr orlov) [07:37]
asciilifeform there even exist special grounds devoted to shanty towns where people live in (normally engine-less) trailers. [07:37]
decimation there is something deeply weird about the average usian's compunction to get in a car to go 1/2 mile [07:37]
decimation like, the entire population is ready for some weird road warrior future maybe? [07:38]
asciilifeform war - required fuel. [07:38]
* asciilifeform can't help but remember that atrocious film, where the last remaining tanker, still full, inhabited by motorcycle (!) gang, which smokes. [07:39]
asciilifeform ^ 'water world.' [07:40]
decimation heh that was a terrible movie, vague remember that part. [07:41]
decimation I remember when that movie came out it was big news how terrible it was [07:41]
decimation somehow all the terrible movies today don't make the same news [07:41]
asciilifeform i vaguely recall that it broke records for cost [07:42]
decimation "nobody knows anything" [07:42]
decimation indeed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_films [07:42]
assbot List of most expensive films - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [07:42]
decimation at least 80% of the movies on that list are turds. goes to show that money doesn't buy shit in hollywood [07:43]
asciilifeform in modern usa, any 'mega-project' - whether film, golden airplane, whatever - is at least partially a 'laundry.' [07:44]
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decimation http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-marvel-became-envy-scourge-720363 [07:46]
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assbot How Marvel Became the Envy (and Scourge) of Hollywood [07:46]
asciilifeform mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work [07:47]
decimation "Then came one of the most spectacular eight-film runs in history, with a combined gross of $6.1 billion for Marvel Studios movies. But the 71-year-old Perlmutter hasn't mellowed. Under his tightfisted management, Marvel has become one of the most admired, envied and, in some quarters, resented entertainment companies. The 300-employee outfit has thrived despite insistence on ever-stricter creative controls and a reputation for [07:47]
decimation extreme cheapness that strikes many accustomed to old-school industry dealings as disrespectful." [07:47]
asciilifeform e.g., a faux 'startup' will distribute bezzlars by creating 'leadership positions' for high-born idiots to occupy [07:47]
decimation asciilifeform: the purpose being to attract more bezzle funding? [07:47]
asciilifeform why the latter can't draw the bezzlars straight from the 'printing press' - ask them, not me [07:47]
asciilifeform purpose is to 'wash' the bezzlars and maintain 'merit' illusion for the lumpens to swallow [07:48]
asciilifeform at least, according to church [07:48]
asciilifeform (i haven't a more parsimonious hypothesis) [07:48]
decimation which would partially explain why the midwestern kulaks flock to silicon valley to pay to work for google et. al. [07:49]
decimation "Perlmutter is not featured on Disney's website (conversely, the heads of its Pixar and Lucasfilm divisions are), but he has shown no sign of relaxing on fiscal control simply because Marvel has become part of a big conglomerate. " [07:50]
asciilifeform http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << that one [07:50]
assbot Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church [07:50]
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asciilifeform or maybe it was another [07:50]
decimation Taleb would probably say that being cheap is antifragile, the less you spend the lower your risk and the more likely random events will pay off [07:50]
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decimation asciilifeform: it's a good theory, but it pretty much goes along the lines of "you go to harvard so you can be roommates with the billionaires' son" [07:52]
asciilifeform church's version is more like 'you go to harvard if you're the billionaire's son and need to be merit-washed before being awarded your crown grant - or if you're an idiot, took bait, had parents with good credit' [07:53]
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asciilifeform 'merit-washing' is a real thing, even if herr church pulled it fortuitously out of own arse [07:54]
asciilifeform consider the career of, e.g, senator j. mccain. [07:54]
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decimation he was in some ways fortunate to end up in the hanoi hilton [07:55]
asciilifeform rumour has it that he crashed virtually every machine he had the misfortune to sit in [07:56]
asciilifeform and may even have destroyed a ship (own goal) [07:56]
decimation unsurprising given his obviously random & hotheaded nature [07:56]
asciilifeform a more fanciful rumour is that the character 'launchpad mcquack' in disney's 'duck tales' cartoon - who crashes every machine he sits in - was based on herr mccain. [07:58]
decimation "Their [VC's] ability to coast, and to fund suboptimal founders, rests on the fact that no one is paying attention to whether they do their jobs well, the assumption being that we (technologists) will stay on their manor, passively keeping our heads down and saying, “politics is someone else’s job; I just want to solve hard problems.”" [07:58]
asciilifeform though he doesn't appear as a commander [07:59]
decimation asciilifeform: I hadn't heard that one, hilarious [07:59]
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asciilifeform church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens the vc circus to the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp. [07:59]
decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire << LOL I didn't realize it was Mccain's plane that fired the missile [08:00]
assbot 1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [08:00]
asciilifeform where a well-born (though not always - gotta have the lumpenbait) hack is carefully groomed, lipstick is put on the sow, is heavily advertised, 'a star' is made [08:00]
decimation groomers rake in bank over the hype and then move on... [08:00]
asciilifeform and in the process, 'merit-washed' bezzlars are distributed into the preordained pockets. [08:02]
asciilifeform this is how the anglo 'nobility' solved the primogeniture problem. [08:03]
asciilifeform they don't bequeath their fortunes/lands/etc in the traditional way [08:03]
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decimation oh I misread the wiki article, mccain's plane was the probable 'victim' [08:03]
asciilifeform (and were happy to have this taxed out of existence to zap the 'middle') [08:03]
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decimation asciilifeform: so you are saying that the landed barons would 'ensure' that their eldest sons were worthy - or fail to inherit? [08:04]
asciilifeform different point - that the modern 'nobles' finessed the problem of having a finite fiefdom to bequeath [08:05]
asciilifeform (and necessarily subdivide into insignificance or follow primogeniture) [08:06]
asciilifeform problem is solved using a device called a bezzlar. [08:06]
mircea_popescu * BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies <<< here's one. while sitting idly after a dinner of delicious empanadas, i did the math with the girls. the profit selling them in the street (like people do)'d have been 5 to 10 pesos a pop. any one of them could have easily cleared 2-3-5k pesos a day, more than enough to live by. [08:06]
asciilifeform and the above hypothesis concerns one of the mechanisms for disbursing bezzlars in a 'socially acceptable' way. [08:06]
mircea_popescu there's no "profession" in the real world, just skill ability and utility. [08:06]
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asciilifeform decimation: are you surprised that the official story has mccain as a bystander ? [08:08]
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decimation asciilifeform: no, and all of the documentaries I've seen on the subject failed to mention his involvement [08:09]
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asciilifeform 'wouldn't do - polite society!' [08:10]
decimation the thing is, Admiral McCain probably didn't have to issue any special instructions to 'finesse' the investigation, the investigators probably all thought it would be a brilliant plan [08:11]
asciilifeform special instruction are rarely needed. [08:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's this sort of thing I've wondered about. The proverbial "hotdog stand" where a person serves good tacos al pastor or canitas in urbanity. [08:12]
mircea_popescu yup [08:12]
asciilifeform most muppets know just what to do, without being spoken to - like athletes on a multinational sporting team. [08:12]
mircea_popescu and the thing is, if police hassles you, which is unlikely in the first place, yo ucan just give them one [08:12]
mircea_popescu it's not a bribe per se. it';s a PROOF. [08:12]
mircea_popescu ie, if your shit's good you can stay. [08:12]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546863 [08:14]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 02:01:37; asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot' [08:14]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 [08:14]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her pu [08:14]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Alternate idea is rent some space and run a "business center" where the presence of a Gringo can radiate Norte Americano sitcoinness upon their internet browsing [08:17]
decimation working for the democratic police, democratic gov't, etc is always going to be a raw deal [08:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo doubt that'll work. [08:18]
decimation if you actually have skills and are worth your wages, the lumpens will hate with envy. There's no one 'in charge' to decide who gets to be paid well and who gets to be fired [08:18]
decimation mircea_popescu: your point a few days ago: how much would you have to pay your enemy to help you in a time of need is apropos [08:21]
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mircea_popescu tis a problme. [08:22]
asciilifeform 'feminglish' has a term, 'frienemy', for what is essentially a symbiotic enemy. what's that? see, e.g., microshit bailing out apple corp. in the '90s. [08:22]
asciilifeform this kind of 'enemy' - you pay, and cherish - because without him, nothing. [08:23]
decimation asciilifeform: but microsoft only needed apple to save themselves from usg's monopoly busting agencies [08:23]
asciilifeform not necessarily. [08:24]
asciilifeform usg is learning the cost of letting its cherished frienemy pop [08:24]
decimation what? the ukraine? [08:24]
asciilifeform ussr [08:25]
* asciilifeform recently ran into the fellow who once used to own the place he lives in. the man lamented how his belt tightened when ussr popped - was 'sovietologist' of a kind [08:25]
decimation I suspect much of the upper dod management are 'old sovietologists' [08:26]
decimation they were the least likely to find a 'job' in industry [08:26]
asciilifeform but this connects here not from the starvation of 'sovietologists', but the dismal fate of every 'coke' who loses his 'pepsi' [08:27]
asciilifeform the proverbial deer on the island where last wolf dies, etc. [08:27]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo doubt that'll work. << If anything seems like it has greater capitol requirements and a lesser return than slinging carnitas [08:28]
decimation like haarp, the ussr provided a ready excuse for all kinds of usg spending [08:28]
asciilifeform or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates) [08:28]
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* asciilifeform might ruminate re: u.s. collapse as an autoimmune pathology, but must go to bed. [08:30]
decimation yeah me too, but that's an interesting thought, and I think it is visible with this ukraine business [08:31]
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pete_dushenski !s migraine [08:35]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802814 [08:35]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2014 13:50:52; mircea_popescu: nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine [08:35]
pete_dushenski so s/migraines with "sad" and "hormones" [08:36]
pete_dushenski that card had been played before, and it had worked before [08:36]
pete_dushenski but not ce soir. [08:36]
pete_dushenski result? "i love you" [08:36]
pete_dushenski win. [08:36]
pete_dushenski it's like i'm becoming a man or something. feels good. [08:37]
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pete_dushenski decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << now it's all skinny jeans, flanel shirts, piercings, tats, and drinking from mason jars [08:39]
decimation pete_dushenski: which is interestingly close to 'redneck', generally the hipster's enemy [08:40]
pete_dushenski it's definitely a hybrid between the two [08:41]
pete_dushenski "now that mason jars are on top, now that my fellow executives and I are goddamn beverage conquistadors, we’re going to enjoy this cocaine-fueled rocket ride for as long as it lasts. I’m blasting off to fucking Mars, dicksuckers, and I’m headed straight through the belly of the goddamn sun!" - James E. Lillie, CEO, Ball Mason Jars [08:41]
pete_dushenski http://www.theonion.com/articles/were-going-to-enjoy-this-cocainefueled-mason-jar-r,36779/ [08:41]
assbot Were Going To Enjoy This Cocaine-Fueled Mason Jar Rocket Ride For As Long As It Lasts | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [08:41]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon << ontario, biggest province, has this as well. since gm and ford went to mexico this is the only thing keeping their head above water. [08:44]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. << dayum. did they even check the chamber? [08:45]
pete_dushenski well i guess there's xrays [08:45]
midnightmagic flannel :) [08:48]
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penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/of-mendacity-mold-bugs-and-other-things/ [08:49]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate << meh. i got the same shit from usagi. it's a badge of honour nao [08:51]
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pete_dushenski decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << dad, is that you in there? [08:55]
pete_dushenski must've heard 1000x about "real black people's music" [08:55]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas? [08:57]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love. << cuddles and hugs for everyone! [09:03]
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mircea_popescu lol [09:04]
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danielpbarron !up Beyond_Bitcoin [09:05]
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Beyond_Bitcoin what is bitcoin assets all about? [09:05]
Beyond_Bitcoin there we go thats a good start ;) [09:05]
mircea_popescu Beyond_Bitcoin bitcoin. [09:05]
Beyond_Bitcoin cool you have a little freenode up and running [09:06]
danielpbarron ;;rate Beyond_Bitcoin 1 https://twitter.com/Beyond_Bitcoin [09:06]
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assbot ben keyhotee (Beyond_Bitcoin) auf Twitter [09:06]
Beyond_Bitcoin thanks for that, but i mean the "assets" part [09:06]
danielpbarron a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality. [09:07]
Beyond_Bitcoin with regard to bitcoin [09:07]
danielpbarron things and people who are useful or valuable to bitcoin [09:08]
Beyond_Bitcoin this is a cool little deal you've got going here [09:08]
Beyond_Bitcoin i like the links up top to your blog(s) [09:09]
danielpbarron what is beyond bitcoin? [09:10]
Beyond_Bitcoin an umbrella term [09:10]
mircea_popescu or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates) << this is not a very good explanation. [09:10]
mircea_popescu the better explanation is that continental bureaucracy went from inept to able, and so the charles that once was content to just fuck the best whores in venice as a prize for his winnings [09:11]
mircea_popescu soon decided he wants to administer the place instead. [09:11]
Beyond_Bitcoin essentially it is a platform for low barrier to setting up/attending virtual event [09:11]
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Beyond_Bitcoin excuse me: Low barrier to entry* [09:12]
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pete_dushenski Beyond_Bitcoin: the barrier to entry isn't as low as it used to be [09:12]
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pete_dushenski #b-a now employs the +v model whereby you have to have a gpg registered identity and a rating from someone already in the club [09:13]
TheNewDeal that's fluffypony's email << priceless [09:13]
Beyond_Bitcoin we have a Mumble server setup so anyone can set up their own dev hangouts, meetups and other events...invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances [09:13]
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pete_dushenski Beyond_Bitcoin: and how's that going? [09:13]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas? <<< maybe. who's to know. [09:13]
pete_dushenski fair enough [09:14]
Beyond_Bitcoin actually not bad. i personally focus on bitshares but the server is open to others who like different tech [09:14]
RagnarDanneskjol oh no not bitshares [09:14]
mircea_popescu !s bitshares [09:14]
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assbot 21 results for 'bitshares' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitshares [09:14]
Beyond_Bitcoin actually bitshares itself is far better than most people think [09:14]
danielpbarron https://twitter.com/Beyond_Bitcoin/status/504603208858488832 [09:15]
assbot /hashtag/BitsharesX?src=hash is proof that cryptocurrency developers have no grasp of basic economics. [09:15]
Beyond_Bitcoin actually daniel...thanks [09:16]
Beyond_Bitcoin that link pretty much sums it up [09:16]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: have you read de maistre? [09:16]
Beyond_Bitcoin link? [09:16]
Beyond_Bitcoin i am not only talking about bitsharesx btw.. [09:16]
Beyond_Bitcoin it is important to make that distinction [09:16]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski have not [09:17]
BingoBoingo Why all of this making logs when Imma trying to read Trilema? [09:17]
mircea_popescu unless you mean lemaitre ? [09:17]
Beyond_Bitcoin with that said, if you look at cryptocurrencies as towns...bitcoin is one of the only ones with any semblance of infrastructure that accepts it. [09:17]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: a i do not. i only ask because de maistre came up in britannica's articles on fascism. [09:17]
Beyond_Bitcoin sure there are a few coins that have a few interesting ways of paying for stuff, but all altcoins are relatively "ghost towns" [09:18]
Beyond_Bitcoin reallly have no reason to be valuable because they cannot really be easily transferred for services of value. [09:18]
mircea_popescu invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances <<< so was there an actual journalist ? [09:18]
TheNewDeal it's better than shit? [09:19]
Beyond_Bitcoin define "actual journalist" [09:19]
mircea_popescu someone who doesn't write crap for free. [09:19]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i guess now ima have to fill this hole. [09:20]
Beyond_Bitcoin damn man...that is kind of tough. almost like diane feinstein saying "bloggers aren't journalists and shouldn't have 1st amendment protections" [09:20]
mircea_popescu !s reutersemily [09:20]
assbot 235 results for 'reutersemily' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reutersemily [09:20]
mircea_popescu i don't recall all the others. this chick stuck because she was uniquely sensible. [09:21]
pete_dushenski "Maistre, writing in The St. Petersburg Dialogues that 'all power, all subordination rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association. Remove this incomprehensible agent from the world, and the very moment order gives way to chaos, thrones topple, and society disappears.'" [09:21]
mircea_popescu seems a tad rich. [09:22]
pete_dushenski "De Maistre condemned the 18th-century Enlightenment for having subverted the dominance of traditional religion and traditional elites and paid homage to the public executioner as the protector of a divinely sanctioned social hierarchy." [09:22]
Beyond_Bitcoin btw...love the name of your bot [09:22]
Beyond_Bitcoin fucking classic [09:22]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu he seems a bit on the religious and bloody side [09:23]
mircea_popescu Beyond_Bitcoin it pretty much is a bitcoin classic yeah. [09:23]
Beyond_Bitcoin you guys really should consider stopping by the mumble [09:24]
mircea_popescu why ? [09:25]
mircea_popescu the bitcoin rift guild had a mumble, nobody really used it. [09:25]
Beyond_Bitcoin We'll be bringing on the dev from the FollowmyVote DAC that is soon to be launched [09:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Remember the journalist that quit forbes and annoys congressmen nao? What was her nick? I remember her name was Boring. [09:25]
mircea_popescu prissygirl something [09:25]
Beyond_Bitcoin we use it to organize community events/meetups...etc. [09:25]
pete_dushenski perianne [09:26]
pete_dushenski i think her nick was bitcoingirl [09:26]
mircea_popescu a yes [09:26]
pete_dushenski she's speaking alongside krawisz at some upcoming disneyland "conference" [09:27]
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pete_dushenski "In 1926 Taittinger declared that the primary goal of his Patriotic Youth was to “defeat the progress of communism by any means necessary,” adding that “We defend the hierarchy of classes.…Everyone knows that there will always be different social levels, the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor, the governing and the governed.”" [09:36]
pete_dushenski in addition to his youth group, french pete also ran a little champagne bizniz [09:37]
pete_dushenski a champagne brand that lives to this day and was, get this, the "official champagne of the 2014 fifa world cup" [09:38]
pete_dushenski i gotta get me a bottle of this stuff nao [09:39]
pete_dushenski http://www.taittinger.com/fifa2014/html/en/ [09:39]
assbot Taittinger - Official Champagne of the 2014 FIFA WORLD CUP [09:39]
mircea_popescu tittinger ? [09:40]
pete_dushenski lol [09:41]
pete_dushenski just found a bottle NV Taittinger Brut Reserve: 40% Chardonnay, 35% Pinot Noir, 25% Pinot Meunier by my place for $55 [09:41]
pete_dushenski that's happening [09:41]
pete_dushenski cheaper than veuve [09:42]
mircea_popescu blog it! [09:42]
pete_dushenski will do :) [09:46]
pete_dushenski "Although circumstances sometimes made accommodation to political liberalism necessary, fascists condemned this doctrine for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state." [09:47]
pete_dushenski not sure that i see bitcoin following this bit of "fascist doctrine" [09:47]
pete_dushenski "Fascist propagandists also attacked cultural liberalism, claiming that it encouraged moral relativism, godless materialism, and selfish individualism and thereby undermined traditional morality." [09:47]
pete_dushenski this is closer [09:47]
pete_dushenski good question then: does bitcoin have an "-ism?" [09:48]
pete_dushenski i want to say no [09:48]
pete_dushenski for -isms are the professions of things. [09:48]
pete_dushenski that is, their label rather than their utility and ability [09:49]
pete_dushenski but maybe there's a flexible and subtle enough label out there for our little world eater [09:49]
pete_dushenski ye olde exercise for the alert reader [09:50]
pete_dushenski http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism << source of quotes above [09:51]
RagnarDanneskjol objectivism? [09:51]
pete_dushenski ;;ud objectivism [09:51]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=objectivism | The philosophical ideals populated by Ayn Rand that a man (or woman) is only entitled to what he has earned. It also promotes the right to life, a life free from ... [09:51]
RagnarDanneskjol yea, I kno. you dig into that book yet? [09:52]
pete_dushenski about 70 pages in [09:53]
pete_dushenski enjoying it so far :) [09:53]
RagnarDanneskjol cool [09:53]
pete_dushenski ya i'm just getting into it but it's a big thing to lug to latvia and estonia so i'll have to put it down for a few weeks [09:54]
pete_dushenski off on saturday! [09:54]
RagnarDanneskjol neat. watch out for vampires [09:55]
pete_dushenski i survived romania, should be ok [09:56]
assbot fascism (politics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica [09:56]
pete_dushenski it's the legal whoors you gotta watch out for [09:56]
pete_dushenski slip a little g in your drink… bam! no wallet. [09:56]
pete_dushenski that's why i wear nail polish [09:57]
RagnarDanneskjol ahah [09:57]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell ben_vulpes Live From 504 is probably my all-time fave ;D [09:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:58]
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BingoBoingo OMG ben_vulpes is winning reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2evkc6/conformal_are_the_real_bitcoin_core_devs/ [10:10]
assbot Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs : Bitcoin [10:10]
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RagnarDanneskjol yea, btcd is the shit. only real work being done in bitcoin. i forked the day they published last year - prompted me to learn golang, which is also the shit [10:14]
BingoBoingo lol at the username http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2evkc6/conformal_are_the_real_bitcoin_core_devs/ck3i8yj [10:14]
assbot unsavorygarnish comments on Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs [10:14]
RagnarDanneskjol ha [10:15]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: see? blogging is cool! welcome back. [10:26]
xmj ha [10:26]
pete_dushenski a right. bon soir b-a! [10:26]
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cazalla http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/bitcoin_might_become_money_says_PWgFfk3KR80TEaWuRLQ52I "There are 13 million Bitcoins in circulation around the globe, with a market value of $US6.4 billion ($6.9 billion). About 7 per cent of the coins in circulation are believed to be held by Australians." I wonder how they figure that? [10:27]
assbot Bitcoin might become money, says Tax Office [10:27]
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cazalla unless zhou and tradefortress stole that many [10:28]
BingoBoingo cazalla: You forget Vexual [10:28]
BingoBoingo Vexual holds either 0 or all of the coins [10:29]
BingoBoingo This has to be the shadiest thing with glossy ads http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/gawminers-hashlet-sells-bitcoin-sales-per-day-overstock/2014/08/28 [10:42]
assbot GAWMiners' Hashlet Sells More in Bitcoin Sales Per Day than Overstock [10:42]
mircea_popescu justusranvier is all over it too. [10:42]
mircea_popescu wd. [10:42]
mircea_popescu "Investment banks don't like people acting in ways that make them look bad. Image is everything when your customers are rich elites. The antagonism going on with the Conformal team is not maximizing the dollar value they are being paid to do work. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done. [10:45]
mircea_popescu Since Conformal doesn't act this way, either they have a like-minded funder who enjoys watching strife, or their funder doesn't know how badly they're behaving." [10:45]
mircea_popescu omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are. [10:45]
mircea_popescu also your mother is a sickly whore. [10:45]
fluffypony lol [10:48]
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fluffypony this whole thing has barrelled into such aggression and anger [10:49]
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fluffypony and all because of Mike having a Hearn-ia [10:49]
fluffypony *du du dish* [10:49]
mircea_popescu no. [10:49]
mircea_popescu because gavin not listening to what i told him to do when i told him to do it. [10:49]
mircea_popescu people have this idiotic attide whereby "whatever, i do what i want" [10:49]
fluffypony Gavin is very busy dressing up like a mad scientist to accept awards on behalf of Satoshi Nakamoto [10:50]
mircea_popescu then six months down the road let's wonder why the asshole's stretched and there's no path back to innocence. [10:50]
fluffypony because that's funny, right guise? guise? [10:50]
mircea_popescu his problem. [10:50]
mircea_popescu karpeles was too busy to obey too, there's a never ending string. [10:50]
mircea_popescu but no difference, the gallows hold. [10:50]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I can actually see you in a robe and wizard hat standing on a bridge going "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" [10:51]
fluffypony nubbins needs to make that into a t-shirt [10:51]
mircea_popescu i spend most of my time that way. [10:51]
mircea_popescu "what is your favorite hole ?" [10:51]
mircea_popescu "WRONG ANSWER!" [10:51]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Core devs behaving badly does not preclude the Conformal team behaving badly. This is not a binary condition. [10:52]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic certainly. [10:52]
mircea_popescu when in shit, much more important than finding saints, is steadily applying nooses to the worst behaved. [10:52]
mircea_popescu problem fixes itself over time. [10:52]
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midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I'm not a bitcoin core dev. Are you saying *I* specifically am behaving badly, or are you using me as a bitcoin core rep to make comments about them? [10:53]
mircea_popescu you'll need to supply some context. [10:54]
midnightmagic 00:44 <+mircea_popescu> omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are. [10:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27543277 = 2.4789 BTC [+] {3} [10:54]
midnightmagic that's after you quoted my comment on reddit [10:54]
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mircea_popescu i had no idea it's yours, but at issue is the nonsensical "k. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done" [10:54]
mircea_popescu this isn't kansas. [10:54]
mircea_popescu the misbehaviour is to display this sort of behavior. [10:55]
midnightmagic It works. When teams can't work directly together, as in NetBSD and OpenBSD, the two teams can cooperate very effectively as separate teams. [10:55]
mircea_popescu it only works in environments other people maintain for your benefit. [10:55]
mircea_popescu it does not work in environments which have to self-maintain, especially not against significantly hostile pressure. [10:55]
midnightmagic And yet I just pointed out an counter-example to your assertion. [10:56]
mircea_popescu you think you did at any rate. [10:56]
mircea_popescu look at what exactly happened in openbsd once the teeth of the nsa stooges were felt. [10:56]
midnightmagic That was fud. [10:56]
mircea_popescu de raadt kicked all the misbehaving doods to the curb. [10:57]
mircea_popescu no, it was not fud. [10:57]
midnightmagic No, they excised themselves and left deRaadt holding the bag. [10:57]
mircea_popescu you're more than welcome to continue livng in your imaginary blind kitten fantasyland. you're too old to be particularly useful in any political sense anyway. [10:57]
mircea_popescu just, don't be amazed that nobody with actual involvement cares for your nonsense. [10:57]
cazalla BingoBoingo, you know that scammy site is in google news, such a joke [10:57]
mircea_popescu once we've hung dutta, hearn and so forth and the bitcoin republic is well established, if you're still alive, you can come back and teach at the university or w/e you can do. [10:58]
fluffypony cazalla: which one, coindusk? [10:58]
cazalla fluffypony, that too but i am referring to cryptocoinsnews [10:59]
midnightmagic Hush now, that silliness doesn't work on me tonight. What do you care what I say about Conformal? [10:59]
mircea_popescu i don't. i care enough about the perniciously castrated "o noes, don't argue boys, cocksuckers getr more done" to point out it doesn't belong in bitcoin, or generally among grown-ups. [11:00]
midnightmagic Really all you're telling me is when I mention an inconvenient truth it bothers you. You know I'm right. Regardless of whether you think I matter or not. [11:00]
mircea_popescu i'm sure it's all the rage at the mahjongg club, but again, to exist that retirement house in florida needs a lot of externalities in place. [11:01]
midnightmagic ehh, don't feel like arguing anymore. Enough, enough.. I'll stop. [11:02]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I'm less concerned about the news site than the product they are shilling [11:10]
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cazalla scammers gon' scam but it's easier with enablers like ccn [11:18]
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punkman TheNewDeal, got some more lulz from that scammer in the end: http://dpaste.com/2T582KP [11:30]
assbot dpaste: 2T582KP [11:30]
jurov BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed << it's set till september 1 [11:34]
BingoBoingo jurov: Cool, I'll try to get something new up in the next 12 hours to try to lure more people. [11:35]
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mircea_popescu interesting, who knew ads have a motivational function for the publisher. [11:50]
pankkake I suppose since the ads are per site, I can't have an account for a bunch of sites? it wouldn't make sense for advertisers anyway… [11:51]
mircea_popescu punkman why is the guy trying to scam dollars anyway. [11:52]
mircea_popescu fucking noobs. [11:52]
mircea_popescu pankkake the idea is to have good sites. [11:52]
punkman mircea_popescu: no idea, but I like that I trolled him twice with "o hey sent money to address I already had" [11:53]
punkman he wanted my BTC too, but told him both time I didn't have any [11:54]
punkman not enough lulz ROI in any case. next time I'm ignoring [11:55]
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pankkake maybe create a blog "scamming scammers"? [11:57]
mircea_popescu aite well, enough excitement for one day. later all. [11:57]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Well 419 hunting is a thing [11:58]
pankkake I know, I've read some hilarious ones [11:58]
punkman this guy scammed like $2500 and 30 BTC http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gawzirabaws [11:59]
assbot Rating Details for User 'gawzirabaws' [11:59]
punkman I only gave him $100 so meh [12:00]
punkman but my new rule is to avoid anyone with reputation on btcjam [12:00]
pankkake good idea [12:01]
pankkake ;;rate punkman 1 scams scammers [12:01]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [12:01]
pankkake ;;rate punkman 1 scams scammers [12:01]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. [12:01]
punkman I totally failed at scamming them [12:02]
pankkake ;;gettrust gawzirabaws [12:02]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user gawzirabaws: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=gawzirabaws | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gawzirabaws | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 21:31:33 2014 [12:02]
pankkake the intention is there [12:02]
punkman ;;rate gawzirabaws -10 took my money and stopped responding. owes me 0.2 BTC. has 30 BTC outstanding on btcjam [12:03]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gawzirabaws has changed from -1 to -10. [12:03]
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