Forum logs for 29 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm << check it out, apparently moore law stopped a decade ago. [00:15]
assbot 403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbHglJ ) [00:15]
mircea_popescu who knew. [00:15]
TomServo +asciilifeform | since quitting bsd ('04) << I'd love to hear more about this. Or why the preference for linux? [00:16]
asciilifeform TomServo: devices [00:16]
TomServo Is that still true today? [00:17]
asciilifeform mostly. [00:17]
asciilifeform TomServo: check out the pogoplug netbsd saga for one example. [00:17]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah, moore's law has been pretty dead since 2005 [00:17]
decimation note, transistor sizes have still shrunk, but clock rates haven't gone up [00:18]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:18]
asciilifeform decimation: heat [00:18]
decimation and it's painfully obvious that intel and friends have no idea how to actually make use of their sea of transistors [00:18]
decimation other than "do more of what we have been doing for 30 years" [00:18]
asciilifeform considering that the entire point of the industry was to enable microshit bloat... [00:18]
asciilifeform (yes, i'd love to live on a planet where moore's law was for something else) [00:19]
decimation I predict that in the future this whole era of 'multi-core' manufacturing will be seen as crazy [00:19]
BingoBoingo TomServo: asciilifeform was a FreeBSD man, but device drivers pushed him away, if I recall correctly nao CLANG+LLVM keeps him away [00:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: openbsd is gcc-based [00:20]
asciilifeform it's mainly the devices. [00:20]
asciilifeform i also have boxes that run closedsource linux crapolade (e.g., xilinx toolchain) [00:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indeed. OpenBSD is GCC based and still weird on devices. Also generally weird. [00:20]
TomServo pogoplug and such I understand.. but how does it factor in the cpanel debate? [00:20]
asciilifeform TomServo: it doesn't [00:21]
BingoBoingo Cpanel is another retardation [00:21]
asciilifeform TomServo: mircea_popescu found somewhere a server, graciously offered for use in s.nsa. but it turned out to be running a severely mutilated linux. [00:21]
decimation https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/phk/ssl_again.html < against 'ssl everywhere' < "With SSL Everywhere, these actors get much more privacy to invade the privacy of every human being with an internet connection, because it takes a lot more skill to look into a SSL connection than a plaintext HTTP connection." [00:22]
assbot SSL revisited — Varnish version trunk documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em2hcB ) [00:22]
BingoBoingo Cpanel's primary design goal seems to be disorienting people when they try unperverted stuff such that they get hooked on the dope [00:22]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in so far as i can see, it cannot be used for non-php hosting at all. [00:22]
asciilifeform at least not without major surgery [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00030895 = 4.696 BTC [+] [00:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In library school for web projects some of the doctoral students I met had a dependecy on it an phpmyadmin for their web work. They did surgeries, I wondered if they contorted so because they needed to burn hours of their life or if they needed to meet "expectations" [00:26]
decimation not only does ssl enable the fucktarded certificate crypto, it enables nefarious 'customized' behavior [00:26]
BingoBoingo decimation: Also all kinds of weird packet edge cases [00:26]
asciilifeform heartbleed2-everywhere [00:26]
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asciilifeform as well as 'war on folks who sniff own lan' [00:26]
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decimation asciilifeform: exactly [00:26]
asciilifeform (just as ipv6 is) [00:26]
decimation it exactly enables a 'walled-garden' model [00:27]
mircea_popescu decimation politically they're pleasant, [00:27]
* BingoBoingo would very much like triclopyr over ip protocol-protocol [00:27]
mircea_popescu but technologically inept. [00:27]
mircea_popescu to this date i dunno wtf happens that i end up with corrupted ips. [00:27]
decimation mircea_popescu: possibly shitty lan hardware? [00:28]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:28]
decimation in theory it is still possible to sniff ssl traffic, but it's quite complex [00:29]
decimation and makes it impossible to have a 'triangular' model of networking [00:29]
mircea_popescu either set req.http.X-TVIP = client.ip; in varnish fucks up and sets the wrong thing ; or else, mod_remoteip fucks up the RemoteIPHeader X-TVIP conversion. [00:30]
mircea_popescu impossible to debug, and DEFINITELY not worth debugging. [00:30]
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BingoBoingo OMG sccop_test is has a Virginm hostmask [00:32]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [00:32]
gribble Current Blocks: 354171 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 644 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48392476656.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.64231 [00:33]
williamdunne !addfeed somefeedhere [00:33]
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danielpbarron https://archive.is/YpSGx#selection-15867.52-15867.123 "Otherkin, pansexual/panromantic, polyamorous, and genderfluid/nonbinary" [00:34]
assbot Tumblr dot TXT (TumblrTXT) on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em4FQI ) [00:34]
BingoBoingo !addfeed http://oglaf.com/feeds/rss/ [00:35]
assbot Oglaf! -- Comics. Often dirty. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em4MLX ) [00:35]
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BingoBoingo williamdunne: You might want to use a different control character [00:35]
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williamdunne BingoBoingo: You're right, I'll make it @ or summin [00:36]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: What about ;;;;; [00:36]
BingoBoingo ;;;;;addfeed [00:36]
gribble Error: ";;;addfeed" is not a valid command. [00:36]
BingoBoingo ;!;;;addfeed [00:36]
BingoBoingo ^control prefix [00:37]
williamdunne * test [00:37]
williamdunne He won't say anything about valid commands [00:37]
williamdunne so *this won't effect it* [00:37]
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BingoBoingo williamdunne: Mircea has wanted oglaf on the feed though, would be nice to have it in a way that isn't me doing "/nick oglafbot" [00:39]
williamdunne What do you mean? [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Tumblr dot TXT << wtf even was that [00:40]
asciilifeform mega-lulzatr0n [00:40]
danielpbarron some guy reposted the funniest SEW quotes from tumblr to twitter [00:41]
williamdunne kakobrekla: would it be possible to make http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne.json work, and be valid json? Not sure what format it currently is [00:41]
williamdunne That way it doesn't break btcalpha.com/wot/ [00:41]
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decimation asciilifeform: apparently every agency in the dc/baltimore area is trying to pacify baltimore [00:43]
decimation I'm sure you could hear amusing stuff on your scanners [00:44]
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em6htN ) [00:44]
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decimation lol http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-twitter-earns-20150429-story.html < "The company lost $162.4 million, compared with a loss of $132.4 million in the year-earlier quarter. Revenue jumped to $435.9 million from $250.5 million, but still fell far short of analysts' expectations of $463 million." [00:50]
assbot Leak of revenue figures adds to Twitter's bad day; shares fall 18% - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em7scD ) [00:50]
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mircea_popescu lol wtf is a "mature discussion about harems" [01:02]
mircea_popescu williamdunne it just says "No data." [01:03]
williamdunne Yeah I know [01:04]
williamdunne Without the .json though its invalid json [01:04]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski Ferguson may be heating up again http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/gunfire-wounds-one-amid-protest-near-brown-shooting-scene-in/article_20958339-2ed0-577d-a80d-ba0959137074.html [01:04]
williamdunne I'm suggesting that if with .json it returned valid json it could not break btcalpha with the suggested update [01:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:04]
assbot Gunfire wounds one amid protest near Brown shooting scene in Ferguson : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Em9Yjd ) [01:04]
mircea_popescu where does it break btcalpha ? [01:05]
williamdunne I'm assuming btcalpha is parsing the API in its current state [01:05]
williamdunne So if it were changed so that it uses valid json [01:06]
williamdunne It would break [01:06]
williamdunne Unless its using the DB files [01:06]
mircea_popescu doubt it tbh. [01:06]
mircea_popescu exactly. [01:06]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BxbLyO_ng [01:08]
williamdunne Either way though, could use some valid json [01:08]
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asciilifeform re: 'Tumblr dot TXT' >> would be interesting to learn how it was censored [01:09]
asciilifeform (notice, archive copy, original is long vanished) [01:09]
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assbot BABA BOSSU DELA MEDIAS 2014 DE MUIE LA FRAIERI - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzAjPb ) [01:12]
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BingoBoingo So who can speak frog an write an qntra piece? https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalis.net%2Fspip.php%3Fpage%3Dbreves-article%26id_article%3D4580&edit-text= [01:14]
mircea_popescu can has original url ? [01:15]
danielpbarron original is long vanished << today vanished [01:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzAM3V ) [01:16]
danielpbarron would be interesting to learn how it was censored << lots of people all clicking "this account is offensive" [01:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm a bit soaked in ETOH trying to protect my liver from cutaneous triclopyr exposure earlier today, not sure how to extract from Google clutches [01:17]
* BingoBoingo is kind of aware BingoBoingo is not a broadleaf weed, but still taking post exposure prophylaxis against strange chemicals [01:18]
danielpbarron http://www.legalis.net/spip.php?page=breves-article&id_article=4580 [01:19]
mircea_popescu some dude in caen got sent to jail for publishing a reverse-engineered version of skype [01:21]
BingoBoingo Really? [01:21]
assbot BREVES [01:22]
mircea_popescu 6 months in prison (suspended) and 3500 euro fine [01:23]
mircea_popescu this not really qntra is it ? [01:23]
mircea_popescu court even rejected unliquidated damages. [01:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because the target was MS-limb Skype and the impact makes a contrast to the "American Approach" could be a qntra [01:25]
mircea_popescu well, that [01:25]
mircea_popescu 's all that's in there. what the guy actually reversed (of note) was the rc4 compression, and what really got them boiling is that he published it on his blog. [01:26]
BingoBoingo Eh, everybody's fucked that RC4 slut. [01:26]
mircea_popescu myeah. [01:26]
mircea_popescu it's really... marginal in all respects. [01:27]
BingoBoingo How many people have been punished for it? [01:27]
BingoBoingo A hook is: what really got them boiling is that he published it on his blog. [01:27]
mircea_popescu well...punished. his lawyer prolly cost more. [01:27]
mircea_popescu but sure, if you wanna go into that [01:28]
BingoBoingo I'm afraid to touch translations of the French language, but a certain subset of my WoT seems comfortable enough I'd publish their writeups on a Frog story [01:29]
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BingoBoingo If this were a derp seemingly so treated in an Arizona court I would be all over this [01:30]
BingoBoingo Like Candida on a BBW [01:31]
mircea_popescu https://getfedora.org/static/0608B895.txt << check it out, epel signs [01:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmfDpb ) [01:31]
BingoBoingo Doesn't pretty much every linux Distro try to at least pretend to the PGP signed sherezade? [01:42]
mircea_popescu nope [01:49]
mircea_popescu first one i've seen today. [01:49]
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BingoBoingo Nah, I'm not talking the "essential" "accessories" the distros themselves try to put up a PGP front [01:53]
BingoBoingo Even if it means actual vitals are missing and unsigned [01:54]
mircea_popescu i gues epel counts as a distro [01:56]
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BingoBoingo The *buttu derps kinda set the bar low on what counts as a "distro" [02:05]
mircea_popescu https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54651 even more lulz [02:06]
assbot Bug 54651 – mod_remoteip ends up trusting IPs that it doesn't check ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVuV9L ) [02:06]
mircea_popescu note that nothing actually works in a number of different ways [02:06]
danielpbarron http://theroguefeminist.tumblr.com/post/73293915224/tho-is-aave-just-to-let-you-know [02:08]
assbot The Rogue Feminist • "Tho" is AAVE just to let you know ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVvqR6 ) [02:08]
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BingoBoingo Who could have known that "The Catcher in the Rye" was about computing and JD Salinger was a time machine victim exponsed to Ubuntu [02:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3678 @ 0.00028616 = 1.0525 BTC [-] [02:32]
mircea_popescu dude... "aave" is NOT a thing. it used to be. [02:43]
mircea_popescu and tho is about as common as nosejobs. [02:43]
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danielpbarron !ud headmate [02:53]
danielpbarron ;;ud headmate [02:53]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HeadMate | Apr 7, 2013 ... Headmate. A term thrown around mostly by people on tumblr. People who haven' t seen the sun in long enough begin to hallucinate vividly, ... [02:53]
danielpbarron used in a sentence: "I guess im in a polyamorous relationship since me and lelonia are both dating but I dont really feel like Im dating her&plus shes a headmate" [03:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00030166 = 2.4863 BTC [+] [03:35]
mircea_popescu !up mixdio [03:42]
-assbot- You voiced mixdio for 30 minutes. [03:42]
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mircea_popescu so basically it's alienation driven dissociation ? [03:44]
Adlai the second UD definition seems much more accurate: [03:47]
Adlai "Some people can claim different ethnicities or sexualities, thus allowing them to join an autonomous caucus (for instance queer or women’s) that they were not otherwise entitled to join" [03:47]
Adlai also http://sjwnewspeak.tumblr.com/post/73525605704/headmates [03:47]
assbot Social Justice Newspeak Explained, Headmates ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXNBoc ) [03:47]
BingoBoingo Oh shit, this new Marvel movie is actually smart. Perfect allegory for psot-Silk-Road Bitcoin. [03:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00030895 = 2.209 BTC [+] [03:54]
BingoBoingo James Spader plays an evil robot on point, and... Disney spent 4 Josh Hamiltons or 1 Coinbase on a film. [03:55]
mircea_popescu disney can afford it [03:56]
BingoBoingo Seriously good Bitcoin allegory though. I will have to sober watch and blog up. [03:59]
trinque Adlai: I assume you have now slept off your drunkeness; I meanwhile have found my own [04:00]
* Adlai sips coffee and blinks [04:00]
trinque tell you what; this country is a shitty place, but I have the good fortune to have met a handful of americans worth knowing [04:01]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/42af915a8e33bb34894c48fcada7f1e0/tumblr_n79932CrxD1r2k92so1_1280.jpg and good night! [04:02]
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mircea_popescu The core problem is that C programmers think they can get away with doing much less than the Common Lisp programmer causes the computer to do. But this is actually wrong. Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only [09:39]
mircea_popescu make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments [09:39]
mircea_popescu " that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Since you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it [09:39]
mircea_popescu is over and you "lost". [09:39]
mircea_popescu the fucking quotes don't belong there. [09:39]
mircea_popescu what you _have_ in point of fact ACTUALLY LOST is the ability to live in a world where things actually work, [09:39]
mircea_popescu as opposed to "well it mostly works" "you just have to..." "hey it works on MY system" etc. [09:40]
mircea_popescu and yesterday's discussion re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1113989 is a magnificent example of the exact problem. [09:41]
assbot Logged on 28-04-2015 17:16:36; mircea_popescu: think about it. why the fuck should the code have to know about this. and if it does have to know about this, why aren't ALL the code references affected by any of such a change cross-indexed somewhere ? [09:41]
jurov that world did never exist [09:42]
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mircea_popescu !up lolz [09:44]
-assbot- You voiced lolz for 30 minutes. [09:44]
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mircea_popescu jurov so is your argument something like "oh look how cute, mp found a socialism HE CAN BELIEVE IN!!1" ? [09:44]
jurov it§s easiest to believe in the past that is now lost [09:45]
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mircea_popescu i was ftr not proposing this was a thing at any point in the past. [09:46]
jurov i don't get you then at all [09:46]
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mircea_popescu the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. [09:46]
mircea_popescu it is, if you wish, like if bitcoin were to take over and everyone depended on it in 2065, but then for some reason people started moving back to 0.5.3 codebase. [09:47]
mircea_popescu it might have been ok for 50 years ago, when the most damage that it could do was someone losing his retarded tripod poems [09:47]
mircea_popescu it has a decent chance at simply ending the world, now. [09:47]
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jurov so you want to have progress, after all [09:48]
mircea_popescu hm... i think the ddos might still be on. that lolz dude left exactly 246 s after i voiced him. [09:48]
mircea_popescu jurov i just want shit that works. [09:49]
mircea_popescu IF i am going to allow these retarded kids out of their basements and into society, they HAVE TO spiff up their act. [09:49]
mircea_popescu i guess this could be progress. it could also be normalization. whatever it is... [09:50]
jurov basically, it's like roads were replaced every few years (bevcause we can and it's cheap) so that cars would need constatnt upgrades and modifications [09:50]
jurov you come and ask for car that damn works in this situation [09:51]
jurov impossible. [09:51]
mircea_popescu but the "changes" just stopped. moore law is dead. [09:51]
mircea_popescu i am at the forefront of people who noticed, and demand changes. [09:51]
mircea_popescu you know, thought leadership. [09:51]
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jurov moore is not the only game in town. network bandwidth is still going up. [09:52]
jurov if that hits the ceiling,too, maybe then. [09:52]
mircea_popescu bandwidth alone is not really that type of change tho. and it stopped going up also, esp in the us. [09:52]
mircea_popescu actually the forecasts are that 2020 bw will be less than 2015 was. [09:53]
mats ouch, TWTR falls 15% [09:53]
mircea_popescu wasn't it 19% ? [09:53]
mats might be 19% pre market [09:54]
mats o nvm it fell below 20% at some point [09:55]
mircea_popescu aha. [09:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4228 @ 0.00029619 = 1.2523 BTC [+] [09:55]
mircea_popescu lol i go to bed, gabriel_laddel comes online. avoiding unpleasant convos yo ? :D [09:56]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel: 1. A WoT host has been mentioned a few times in the logs - MP's new hosts << yeah i had sent teh guy an invite. all it takes is for him to actually show up etc. [09:57]
jurov i expect at least one round of redoing all the world if the derps succeed enforcing SSL everywhere [09:57]
mircea_popescu how would they succeed that ? i'm not doing it. [09:57]
mircea_popescu redefining "everywhere" != succeeding at ssl everywhere. [09:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00028444 = 2.944 BTC [-] [09:58]
mircea_popescu currently for instance, cpanel forums require ssl, and so i'm not visiting them. i don't generally visit sites that don't have a http version. [09:59]
davout looks like this iOS wifi exploit's being used in the wild http://qz.com/393909/american-airlines-planes-are-grounded-because-their-pilots-ipads-have-crashed/ [09:59]
assbot An iPad glitch grounded several dozen American Airlines planes – Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAZhp9 ) [09:59]
mats lol [09:59]
mircea_popescu lmao [09:59]
mircea_popescu but what do they need the ipads for ?! [09:59]
davout mircea_popescu: it's actually pretty useful to get rid of tons of paper [10:00]
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mircea_popescu huh ? [10:00]
mircea_popescu iirc you can't even save a file on it. [10:00]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly : Upupa epops might be the best latin name ever. [10:00]
jurov or ipv6, you can ignore it, but it may mean you'll be unable to find working code that does not have the bits you hate [10:01]
punkman related, I watched a cab driver fashion a cooling system for his lenovo tablet/gps thing because it'd overheat and shut down [10:01]
mircea_popescu jurov that's ok, i'm unable to find working code anyway. [10:02]
punkman but airline pilots relying on ipad for flight plan? wtf [10:02]
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mircea_popescu we're a species of idiots. [10:03]
punkman I dun wanna fly anymore [10:03]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJR1UFX2GVY << lmao check out amateur hour. [10:05]
assbot Dana International - Tel Aviv Pride Parade 2014 דנה אינטרנשיונל במצעד הגאווה - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DB0f4J ) [10:05]
mircea_popescu hey Adlai do you get down on knee ? [10:05]
mircea_popescu "i used to be a pop star but then i took a down to the knee" [10:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115372 << well, the prepared statements in a notepad / pasted later model is no good! [10:09]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 07:28:06; gabriel_laddel: ll try harder next time. [10:09]
mircea_popescu I confidently crow to anyone who would listen, those foolish enough to enter my office. And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say. << see, i think i know the kind of contract he's talking/dreaming about. in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2015#1114812 [10:11]
assbot Logged on 28-04-2015 23:15:21; *: ben_vulpes rolls eyes [10:11]
mircea_popescu "And, as everyone knows, the best way to get amazing results is to set arbitrary goals without any basis for believing they can be reached. So I set out to search faster than grep by thirty percent." << damned straight. it's exactly how i manage. especially those... contractually obligated, shall we say. [10:12]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [10:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7739 @ 0.00028444 = 2.2013 BTC [-] [10:13]
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chetty And my girlfriend too, who's contractually obligated to pay attention to everything I say./// that is so sad [10:19]
Adlai mircea_popescu: what? [10:19]
mircea_popescu ahhh that great rhoden blog. http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/YahooChatRooms.html [10:20]
assbot Yahoo! Chat - A Eulogy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JApwnR ) [10:20]
mircea_popescu chetty hey, attention is scarce! [10:20]
mircea_popescu Adlai random link in log. [10:20]
* Adlai doesn't need to watch youtube, that shit goes down all around all year long [10:21]
mircea_popescu must suck to live in a rural area. [10:22]
Adlai bahaha "may the bits of your hard disk be sorted by value" [10:22]
mircea_popescu lol [10:23]
mircea_popescu that yahoo thing tho... this is EXACTLY what yahoo was. even had to ban "shit" and "shithead" separately. [10:23]
mircea_popescu artifexd http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/go_bloviations.html << maybe somewhat interesting. [10:24]
assbot Go Bloviations (Optional Reading) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAq5Oz ) [10:24]
Adlai ah yes that terrible swear word, Tangobh [10:27]
mircea_popescu that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten. [10:29]
mircea_popescu "Put another way, grep sells out its worst case (lots of partial matches) to make the best case (few partial matches) go faster. How treacherous! As this realization dawns on me, the room seemed to grow dim and slip sideways. I look up at the Ultimate Unix Geek, spinning slowly in his padded chair, and I hear his cackle "old age and treachery...", and in his flickering CRT there is a face reflected, but it's my ex girl [10:30]
mircea_popescu friend, and the last thing I see before I black out is a patch of yellow cheese powder inside her long tangled beard." [10:30]
mircea_popescu epic. i didn't evne know anyone knew :D [10:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, not that any of the retards involved in such considerations have the skill or werewithal to get it, but : this is a fine example of privilege in computing. [10:39]
mircea_popescu how did "worst case" interest group get to lose 70% so that "best case" interest group can gain 6% ? clearly this was enforced by an opressive, chauvinistic patriarchy which, to bother an irigarayism, "favours the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us". [10:40]
mircea_popescu and the case of optimized grep is the first and the last word on the matter of "you can not have democratic computing anymore than democratic anything else in this world. it's either good or democratic, pick one." [10:40]
mircea_popescu fact remains that raping the poor raw so that the rich can have it slightly better is not only the traditional way to do things back when things were still being done, but actually ~the correct way~. [10:41]
mircea_popescu and here comes the doozy : the correct way ~for everyone~! [10:42]
mircea_popescu grep is ~overall~ faster for this optimization, or in other words : the downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. step on their faces! [10:43]
* asciilifeform notices that mircea_popescu is approaching own level of 'software must die' [10:44]
mircea_popescu no, not software. if i wake up to find that slavegirl shat the bed, i'm not going "shit must die" [10:45]
mircea_popescu i'm going "you're on the cross young lady!" [10:45]
mircea_popescu and you dun wanna be on the cross. [10:45]
asciilifeform does this actually happen ? [10:47]
mircea_popescu the shitting ? [10:47]
mircea_popescu no. [10:47]
mircea_popescu the excruciation however, yes. i think you even saw one of the crosses. [10:47]
asciilifeform yeah i couldn't help but wonder if some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent [10:47]
asciilifeform as for the whipping posts, those are sop [10:47]
mircea_popescu eh that's a myth. anal sex helps continence, doth not reduce it. [10:47]
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davout asciilifeform: gross [10:50]
davout can't unthink [10:50]
mircea_popescu wut ? [10:51]
davout "some hobby of slavegirls renders them anally incontinent" [10:51]
mircea_popescu actually... some hobby of WIVES doth render them anally incontinent [10:51]
davout do elaborate [10:51]
mircea_popescu but it's brief and blessfully resolves in the hospital. [10:51]
davout ah [10:52]
mircea_popescu most kids are born with shit in their eyes. [10:52]
davout ic [10:52]
mircea_popescu davout is all "wtf this doesn't exist. oh THAT. myeah ok, it exists." [10:53]
mircea_popescu apparently you CAN unthink ? :D [10:53]
davout heh, already heard about it, although thankfully that's not something i've witnessed [10:54]
asciilifeform iirc at one point it was fashionable to give the mothers enemas [10:54]
mircea_popescu welcome to beartraps & caltrops day on bitcoin-assets. i'll be your lovely host, with the mostly incontinent Sharon Cohen serving as my co-something or the other. [10:55]
mircea_popescu or at least, until hse takes a down to the knee. [10:55]
mircea_popescu Adlai btw, is ariel sharon totally a girl's name only to my ear ? or is it kinda lulzy in teh medinat too ? [10:56]
asciilifeform the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. << lamport's article on brokenness+helplessness leading to return to 'voodoo' methods (electronic homeopathy, sympathetic magic, all the way to prayer healing) [10:56]
* mircea_popescu has witnessed prayer healing in student quarters. [10:57]
asciilifeform works (as other placebocin) on people much better than on machines. [10:57]
mircea_popescu "omaigawd i have to finish this by tomorrow because i had three weeks to do it but i was busy until tonight!!111" [10:58]
Adlai more common as a girl's name, but it's found as both [10:58]
mircea_popescu Adlai but i mean... is it lulzy ? [10:58]
mircea_popescu or notrly observable [10:58]
Adlai i'd say it's lulzier that the guy just has two first names [10:59]
mircea_popescu lol [10:59]
Adlai never trust a man with no last name [10:59]
mircea_popescu this, btw, is a sign of being a gypsy in romania [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00029134 = 2.4764 BTC [+] [10:59]
asciilifeform never trust a man with no last name << there's a fella in '80s theoretical comp sci, worked on parallel systems iirc, who was known as simply 'arvind' [10:59]
mircea_popescu (mostly through historical accident : gypsy women used as whores throughout middle ages, ended up with kids without actual parentage, got "soft" father's name as it were) [11:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i thought modern gypsy has a euro-style plausible first+last for camouflage [11:00]
mircea_popescu i have nfi what modern gypsy even is. [11:01]
mircea_popescu like modern homosexual. [11:01]
asciilifeform sovietized ? [11:01]
mircea_popescu mmm... no, colonized. invaded by the tumbler, twitter etc hordes. [11:01]
asciilifeform (or prevented from migrating and living with pigs by some other demented ruler) [11:01]
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mircea_popescu you know, like computing. [11:02]
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asciilifeform not that computing wasn't invaded, but this is rather like the popular ru explanation for fall of ussr [11:02]
asciilifeform 'cia saboteurs' [11:02]
Adlai "Arvind Mithal (usually referred to as just Arvind)" well we solved that mystery [11:02]
mircea_popescu win. [11:02]
asciilifeform Adlai is a winner [11:02]
mircea_popescu i knew there was a reason i liked him [11:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not saboteurs, it's kids looking for a special identity. [11:03]
mircea_popescu "it's not a bullet, it's fumaric acid" [11:03]
asciilifeform i'm fairly convinced that these were and are an opportunistic infection [11:03]
asciilifeform computing collapsed under own weight. [11:03]
mircea_popescu "can i please have the bullet then ?" "uhhh... but we don't make those anymore ? too expensive." [11:03]
mircea_popescu nah, imo it's septicemia not aids. [11:04]
* assbot gives voice to HeySteve [11:05]
HeySteve hola [11:05]
mircea_popescu hey [11:05]
HeySteve haven't been here for ages, how is everyone? [11:06]
mircea_popescu nb. [11:06]
* Adlai is busy catching up to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-04-2015#1101202 [11:07]
assbot Logged on 14-04-2015 14:26:51; *: mats is busy working through "The Misbehavior of Markets" [11:07]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, do you have an opinion on Uruguay as a place to live? [11:10]
mircea_popescu not terribru [11:11]
Adlai "Taaki and his sister once broke into an old hotel, stole the bibles from every room, doused them with cleaning fluid, set them on fire, and threw them down a well to see how deep it went. For that, their father never punished them." [11:15]
mircea_popescu mmmmmkay ? [11:15]
Adlai this is quite a bizarre level of mischief [11:16]
HeySteve the homeless hacker [11:16]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://three-way-dreamer.tumblr.com/post/96984757094/babygirlssweetsurrender-three-is-good [11:17]
assbot Beauty Of Sex ... ( http://bit.ly/1beha6h ) [11:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00029068 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {2} [11:26]
HeySteve http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html?_r=0 [11:29]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1bejYjS ) [11:29]
mircea_popescu lmao [11:30]
scoopbot_revived News! The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/ [11:31]
assbot The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bekiPw ) [11:31]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla might be an idea if assbot ignores scoopbot_revived [11:31]
kakobrekla i thought they would be friends but ok [11:32]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel "why are the holes not marked or filled?" << ftr this is not what i was contemplating. what I was contemplating is, why the fuck don't defaults pop up. bring back the fucking paperclip, put it the ONE place where it makes fucking sense. "hey john, I see you changed FuckOff() from bool to int. This function is called 82 places in 22 files. Would you like me to a) check all places where it's called and rep [11:34]
mircea_popescu ort what I can figure out about the context ? b) iterate you through all locations ? c) change it back ? d) run a trace see what happens ?" [11:34]
mircea_popescu the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do. [11:35]
mircea_popescu the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon. [11:36]
Adlai aha, the good old C-c C-w C-c [11:36]
mircea_popescu Adlai yeah, for that matter emacs does something very close to this, bar one fatal fucking flaw : pull. it should really be push. [11:37]
mircea_popescu i don't need to fucking remember to ask it. i can walk away from the terminal if i need some space. [11:37]
mircea_popescu i want it to complain to the dev about every.single.problem. EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM. and it must be as a fucking clickbox, in his face. [11:37]
mircea_popescu none of this "i'll fix the details later, i'm in the middle of doing sexy work now". fuck you and fuck your "ideas". [11:38]
mircea_popescu last time anyone "in computing" had an idea the year prefix was still 1. [11:38]
davout mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe make scoopbot_revived not mention the title and let assbot handle it? [11:38]
* Adlai isn't sure there was a year prefix in those days [11:39]
mircea_popescu just dump teh link ? [11:39]
mircea_popescu eh, let it be decentralized. [11:39]
davout mircea_popescu: sounds like each would do a small and simple job unix philosophy [11:39]
mircea_popescu this trivial problem just blew my stack. [11:40]
mircea_popescu i confess i have nfi which is the correct approach. [11:40]
davout sounds better to remove code from scoopbot rather than add some conditional logic to assbot [11:40]
* mircea_popescu steps away slowly and in terror, letting the parties involved decide. [11:40]
kakobrekla the thing is that fucking conditional code is already in place as well [11:41]
kakobrekla for some other bots [11:41]
davout just my two cents [11:41]
mircea_popescu i would definitely read the essay discussing the merits of either side. i just realised i actually don't grok this shit. [11:41]
Adlai seems parsimonious that in a channel where a bot announces link titles, there's no need to supply them yourself [11:42]
davout because then what happens when scoopbot_revived is replaced by scoopbot_x or whatever [11:42]
kakobrekla davout you mean again [11:42]
kakobrekla :) [11:42]
mircea_popescu what happens if assbot dies ? we must lose scoopbot titling too ? [11:42]
davout assbot never diez [11:42]
mircea_popescu decentralisation contrary to parsimony [11:42]
mircea_popescu fancy that. [11:42]
davout i'm really too lazy to argue further, i just tend to remove code instead of adding more whenever i can get what i want either of those ways [11:43]
mircea_popescu no, i can definitely see your point. [11:43]
mircea_popescu what bothers me is that i see no way to either dismiss it, or pick it. [11:44]
davout my point? [11:44]
mircea_popescu yes, [11:44]
mircea_popescu "take it out of scoopbot instead" [11:45]
davout I KNOW! LET'S REWRITE SCOOPBOT IN COMMON LISP! [11:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00029619 = 3.2877 BTC [+] [11:45]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel "Why isn't there grammer/spellchecking for my comments? " << this i can readily answer. because I am what's called "a creator of language", which is to say one of those people who, through his usage, ENACTS the rules all amateur users of language MUST follow, as a mark of their linguistic inferiority. like fucking shakespeare. [11:46]
mircea_popescu and consequently the notion of "spellchecker" is undefined for me. [11:46]
mircea_popescu it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand. [11:47]
mircea_popescu (and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time) [11:47]
davout ;;calc 70138217/25000 [11:47]
gribble 2805.52868 [11:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10234 @ 0.00029627 = 3.032 BTC [+] {2} [11:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115386 << dawg, go make a web server i can use, who's keeping you!!11 [11:55]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 07:30:19; gabriel_laddel: Just trying to point MP at something [11:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115395 << fancy that! and i spent eight hours massaging apache and varnish into wortking together, only to discover that about 10% of the time, IP fields were reliably replaced with random data form the session. [11:56]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 07:33:47; gabriel_laddel: I'll note that I wrote a prototype for the RPC described above - ran into an issue with TCP or the library I was using it from. Messages were disappearing in flight. [11:56]
mircea_popescu we're like brothers off the same mother over here. and check out how variant the fathers! [11:56]
mircea_popescu i suppose we should go beat her up, stupid fucking whore. [11:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115401 < bwahahaha [11:57]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 07:35:59; gabriel_laddel: Portage has a USE flag (what is that? Idk, some nonsense abstraction) for docs so you can tell it to build all docs, but it gets caught in cyclic dependencies atm. [11:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00029677 = 3.6799 BTC [+] {2} [11:59]
asciilifeform the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do ... the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon << obligatory http://ww [12:05]
asciilifeform w.loper-os.org/?p=284 [12:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115422 << this, i will point out, is in no way related to any inherent property of either (unless you mean lisp is inherently going to fail), but simply a function of context. had the linux kernel been implemented in sclb, and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines [12:05]
mircea_popescu in scbl, and c would be what c was in the 70s. ie, coupla hundred k's. [12:05]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 07:42:58; gabriel_laddel: ~398k LoC vs. >14 million [12:05]
asciilifeform it has nothing to check against, i gotta do it by hand. << you can edit the dict you know [12:06]
mircea_popescu except my usage is np [12:07]
mircea_popescu there isn't a way to write a program that can import a dict and fix my grammar. [12:07]
asciilifeform grammar no [12:07]
mircea_popescu and if I write the dict, there isn't a way to write a program that can import it at all. [12:07]
asciilifeform orthograph yes [12:07]
mircea_popescu nope. [12:07]
mircea_popescu trilema is filled with examples : i spell this the french way this time for stylistic reasons. what now ? [12:08]
mircea_popescu what do you do if i say differance once ? [12:08]
asciilifeform limited use case for orthograph checker - pick up turds that are solely from finger slippage [12:08]
mircea_popescu this spellchecker underlines it. nevertheless... différance [12:08]
mircea_popescu but that does not actually do the job does it. [12:09]
* asciilifeform confesses to being largely innocent of auto language checking paraphernalia [12:09]
* asciilifeform uses own meat [12:09]
mircea_popescu metoo. but i also know why. [12:09]
mircea_popescu deliberately innocent. [12:09]
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asciilifeform well yes deliberately [12:09]
asciilifeform ... and had the past 20 years been spent with scbl being "the cool language", you'd be having zhe pronouns and assorted idiocy to the tune of > 10 mn lines << the whole 'k00l d00dz' phenomenon begins from broken systems, though there is a feedback loop [12:10]
asciilifeform when there is -nothing- for an idiot kid to do - the damage isn't done. [12:11]
mircea_popescu it does not. it drives broken systems, as naggum explains : http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_6_53927 [12:11]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ink4TS ) [12:11]
asciilifeform but when there is plethora of loose ends and misfeatures - plenty [12:11]
mircea_popescu the incentives are badly alligned, and the habit of beating children (a subcase of, oppressing the oppressed FOR THE REASON that they're already oppressed) went out [12:11]
mircea_popescu but THIS is what the utility of that ancient "horror' and "unexplainable ancient cruelty" was : it kept this very significant problem of badly alligned incentives in check. [12:12]
asciilifeform as pictured in, e.g., mircea_popescu's article 'art of punishment' (ro?) [12:14]
mircea_popescu i think i translated it. [12:14]
mircea_popescu in any case : the mechanism im contemplating is this [12:14]
mircea_popescu a) idiot interacts with system ; b) idiot forms malformed internal representation of system ; c) sane person has no incentive to fix b) ; d) system evolves ~always~ to match its representations. [12:15]
mircea_popescu this is unresolvable, except if one actually and deliberately enacts the positive feedback loop of "torture those in pain, beat those with welts on their body" etc. [12:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity [12:16]
mircea_popescu ayup. [12:16]
asciilifeform *opening wound [12:16]
mircea_popescu if this mechanism is correct, then it follows that yes, the only reason gabriel_laddel thinks much of scbl is that no one else does. [12:17]
mircea_popescu much like how this place is readable PRECISELY because it's not facebook or w/e. [12:17]
mircea_popescu which has been an early theoretical proposition which we've so far been verifying. [12:17]
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mircea_popescu in any case, it is perfectly wrong to imagine scbl has the magical quality of magical quality (and then move on once the horde shows it trivially breaks). for one thing, c was a very intellectually respectable thing, back when i was a kid. [12:20]
mircea_popescu of course, that was before C# [12:20]
jurov yea, it was respectable when compiler was less clever than programmer [12:25]
mircea_popescu i wonder if that's what it was. [12:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.01 << what sort of great moment is this! [12:25]
ben_vulpes [13:23] that's prolly put i nthere special for shooting down ben_vulpes dating attempts in kindergarten. << i dun get it [12:29]
mircea_popescu tango ? yahoo chat ? 80s ? [12:29]
ben_vulpes nope still not computing [12:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: great moment shall come on me lunch break. [12:31]
asciilifeform l0l [12:31]
mircea_popescu the string "tango" was for ununderstood reasons banned on a very popular (among the females) chat application of the 80s, at a time you'rew supposed to have been in kindergarten. [12:31]
* asciilifeform promises to wake up mircea_popescu for great moment(tm) [12:31]
mircea_popescu it is humorously posited that this is the very explanation : they were trying to crimp your style specifically. [12:31]
mircea_popescu "you're supposed to have been", jesus who the fuck came up with english grammar. "o i know, we'll save on predicative modes!!1" [12:32]
ben_vulpes finding tango partners online is like 1/1000000th as good a use of time as finding bdsm partners [12:32]
mircea_popescu everything worked better on yahoo chat [12:33]
mircea_popescu :D [12:33]
mircea_popescu heck, even md5! [12:33]
ben_vulpes [00:54] how the everliving fuck is cpanel used with anything other than php/static wwwtron << fwiw asciilifeform i went through a very similar saga on a very similar popescuian box. i just thought that "this was how things were supposed to be" and labored in silence. [12:36]
mircea_popescu didja get anywhere ? [12:36]
ben_vulpes probably how you derp around the machine shop [12:36]
ben_vulpes yeah, the thing ran, and well if you recall. [12:36]
mircea_popescu aha. well that puts you ahead of alf :D [12:37]
mircea_popescu at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before. [12:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115501 << this distinction only exists as a manifestation of the speaker's cluelessness, otherwise military logic is perfectly logical. [12:38]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 08:01:08; *: Adlai always found "business logic" reminiscent of "military logic" in the necessity of distinguishing it from plain simple old "logic" [12:38]
mircea_popescu in the c way of logic. [12:38]
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mircea_popescu ie, "you go design a better army and a better war over there with your wooden horse, toy sword and military costume, while we're gonna beat these assholes over here" [12:39]
mircea_popescu paulgraham.com fucking autoreloads itself wtf spammy idiocy is this. [12:40]
mircea_popescu "Confirmation can be tricky depending on what you mean by it. It’s trivially true but most people understand it to be interrupting confirmation. Which is egregiously … reprehensible. Despicable even." [12:45]
mircea_popescu ahahaha. [12:45]
mircea_popescu fuck you and click the boxen, "creative" boi [12:45]
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davout mircea_popescu: s/différance/différence/ [12:52]
mircea_popescu mno. [12:53]
mircea_popescu that being, amusingly enough, exactly the point. [12:53]
davout ah that was on purpose frenchified english [12:54]
mircea_popescu mno. it works in french too. [12:54]
mircea_popescu the reason "différance" exists is (in the context of our discussion) exactly to show that the spellchecker problem is np [12:54]
davout from what I find it's a neologism from jacques derrida [12:55]
mircea_popescu it's a production of derrida working on husserl, yes. [12:56]
mircea_popescu (this may be a polichinelle's secret for which everyone here just happens to be polichinelle, but : the history of discussion, problems and criticism of languages as approached by IT types almost exactly mirrors a very similar effort in teh humanities) [12:58]
mircea_popescu that either side is generally ignorant of the equivalencies is nothing short of hysterical, but hey. "specialisation drives performance", i'm told. [12:59]
mats http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html << lol [13:13]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1dsYrWg ) [13:13]
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BingoBoingo "The hardest part was often reaching Fernández and Castiglione. “I had to call Brenda four times today,” she said with a smile." << lol [13:24]
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mod6 asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss? [13:29]
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ascii_field danke mod6 [13:30]
mod6 np [13:30]
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jurov mod6 i can explain, too. to support different configurations for DNS/users/whatever resolving without glibc recompilation and without interprocess communication [13:32]
jurov the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc [13:32]
jurov and whole mechanism is non-optional [13:32]
mod6 ok maybe that's the part I was missing - how libnss is somehow tied to glibc. [13:32]
jurov thus truly statical compilation of glibc is impossbile [13:32]
mod6 so libnss is dynamically compiled and built/linked to glibc, and can not be avoided? [13:33]
ascii_field !s libnss [13:33]
jurov (and btw, it's different from mozilla's libnss) [13:33]
assbot 7 results for 'libnss' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=libnss [13:33]
mircea_popescu ~whether one even uses libnss or not~! [13:33]
ascii_field or is log still b0rk3d [13:33]
ascii_field and no, nothing to do with the mozilla one [13:33]
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mod6 it's not broke from the web-perspective. i've just read so much stuff that I've confused myself. [13:33]
jurov iirc alf avoided it somehow, while throwing out all DNS stuff, too [13:34]
mod6 is that releated to his patch that removes the dns stuff? [13:34]
ascii_field jurov: the dependency vanishes if you remove -all- instances of host lookup [13:34]
ascii_field the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there ) [13:34]
mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html << this? [13:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dt5z5c ) [13:35]
ascii_field aha [13:35]
ascii_field note, written prior to the discovery of the libnss thing [13:35]
mod6 ok, so that helps us going forward then. [13:36]
mod6 yup, noted. [13:36]
mod6 we were on track at that point to try to cut a milestone. but just about that time is when we hit the tx validation problem in 168`000 ; I think your patch just got lost in the shuffle. [13:37]
mod6 :/ [13:37]
mod6 Anyway, going forward, we've got something to work around this issue. So, thanks for that. [13:37]
mod6 <+ascii_field> the patch, note, did not remove all (there is a 'what is my ip' thing in there ) << ah, i recall. ok and this is what initiated the conversation about SHA256 addy's as opposd to dotted quads right? [13:39]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> ~whether one even uses libnss or not~! << so even if we didn't even call "whatsMyIP()" or w/e it is, this would still be a dingleberry attached to glibc. [13:42]
mod6 ? [13:42]
mod6 Anyway, thanks guise. I think that helps me clear a few things up. [13:43]
ascii_field mod6: go build 'helloworld' and see if it stays depended [13:43]
ascii_field (it doesn't) [13:43]
mircea_popescu mod6 what i mean is, for as long as you use any sort of function touched, whether you yourself use any of the libnss "functionality" or not, its gonna be there [13:45]
ascii_field mircea_popescu has it [13:45]
mod6 ok got it. [13:45]
mircea_popescu you can't go "oh i don't use libnss anyway". you probably are. [13:46]
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mod6 <+jurov> the libnss was done as binary plugin to glibc << so there is no possible way to just build glibc by hand and not include libnss? or there are basically so many things that use libnss that even if you did, stuff wouldn't work anyway? [13:58]
jurov i haven't explored it to that depth [13:58]
mircea_popescu mod6 building glibcc "by hand" is not the trivial taks you make it out. [13:59]
mircea_popescu piles of crud in there. [13:59]
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mod6 im sure it's not. just was sort of thinking about it in some context of "roll your own environment" [13:59]
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mircea_popescu yeah but then you end up with something that works for you [14:00]
mircea_popescu and then... x person says this doesn't work. what now ? [14:00]
mod6 and only on your machine. [14:01]
mod6 ok right. [14:01]
mircea_popescu i mean i am all for a cannonical b-a stack [14:01]
mod6 since this discussion, im gonna go back and re-read these logs. [14:01]
mircea_popescu but it can't be started from the glibc i don't think. that's the middle. [14:01]
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mod6 sure. [14:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115595 << is your complaint the lack of koolaid in this place ?! [14:03]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 08:33:16; gabriel_laddel: I'm simply of the opinion that our current platform (irc) is too barbaric and doesn't force enough shared context upon us to do anything interesting. Any sort of shared vision or whatever gets watered down into discussions like the above. [14:03]
mircea_popescu there's a balance to be had between "shared context" and "mass hysteria". a meeting of autonomous minds is one of the very best ways to achieve that balance. [14:03]
mircea_popescu barbaric, perhaps, but kingly for sure, this irc. [14:03]
mircea_popescu so love thy cycles, for they are a supreme good. [14:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115605 << because you don't have a blog. get a blog. [14:05]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 08:36:13; gabriel_laddel: why? [14:05]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/30197ce3b8a2aa706dd3913040a1c838/tumblr_n9lah9zqCj1sfkfqio1_1280.jpg << the best thing in unix is the pipe. [14:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgNImX ) [14:07]
ascii_field l0l! [14:08]
mod6 haha, is that a reverse-stocks of somesort? [14:09]
mircea_popescu well... plenty of subjects are actually rather cooperative, which makes the instruments more... ergonomic. [14:09]
mod6 ah, i see. [14:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115613 << dude srsly. GET A BLOG ALREADY. [14:10]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 08:38:32; gabriel_laddel: "I need the ability to publish a unit of research as an interactive program containing all information used to draw my conclusions. It shall be entirely and trivially modifiable, extensible, and if reproducing the research is possible on this machine, running the program shall be a single click or procedure call away. WYSIWYG tools shall be included and fashioned from the precepts of [14:10]
mircea_popescu this is EXACTLY what a blog is. [14:10]
trinque I was drunk enough to deal with him at the time :D [14:11]
trinque mircea_popescu: yes html does sort of what he's talking about [14:11]
mircea_popescu not "html". blogs specifically. [14:11]
trinque ah [14:11]
mircea_popescu i have the fucking body of research all published, which is why i can always link [14:12]
mircea_popescu he's sitting over there going "hmm.... i would need something like a tube... but with fins on it... yeah that's right, two large fins..." [14:12]
trinque indeed [14:12]
mircea_popescu derp. ITS CALLED A PLANE! [14:12]
trinque this is the guy working on a distro? [14:12]
mircea_popescu why not ? [14:12]
trinque "tits or gtfo" as far as that goes [14:12]
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mircea_popescu obviously what's blinding him to this is the expectations that machines could process it. this trivially can never be the case. [14:14]
mircea_popescu "Attend our Remote coding school for as little as $2,780." omfg wtf. [14:15]
mats http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/products/int/fix/government-bonds/Euro-Bund-Futures/14770 [14:15]
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mats euro debt having a bad day [14:15]
mats http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/products/int/fix/government-bonds/Euro-Bobl-Futures/15644 [14:16]
assbot Eurex - Euro-Bobl Futures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgQvfG ) [14:16]
mircea_popescu "The studious will note that this is a completely solved problem that no machine learning algorithm will be able to approximate anytime soon." i'm sorry...what ? solved how ? [14:17]
mircea_popescu and why the fuck am i referencing pastebins. [14:17]
mircea_popescu mats yeh eurozone is benefiting from "russian sanctions" [14:17]
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mats got ma popcorn ready [14:20]
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mircea_popescu " When the "people" of earth finally get the message that brainpower is the limiting regent in life they'll soon start to change their tune - or find themselves living in a ~leper colony/africa." << this is not how things work [14:23]
mircea_popescu "when water stops being wet it'll suddenly seek dryness". sure. wut ? [14:23]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115624 << prolly should go with frank the ditch [14:25]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 08:40:59; assbot: DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcsgnS ) [14:25]
vhost- Adlai: haha [14:27]
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williamdunne ;;later tell kakobrekla would it be possible for w.b-a.link/some/parameters to return valid JSON? [14:39]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115645 << lmao [14:42]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 10:25:18; punkman: also, cab driver: "check out the hottie over there" *honks* "oh shit that was my cousin. damn she lost a lot of weight" [14:42]
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mircea_popescu # history | grep -c "reboot" [14:45]
mircea_popescu 6 [14:45]
mircea_popescu check out the windows developer over here. [14:45]
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ascii_field motherfucking rc.local doesn't run on boot in this ver of rathead [14:46]
mircea_popescu must be the cpanel. [14:46]
ascii_field lsdpanel [14:46]
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ascii_field http://hackingdude.com/2015/04/29/wordpress-zero-day-vulnerability/ [14:53]
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jurov williamdunne: you mean w.b-a.link/trust/some/else/json? yes that could return {} instead of "no data" [14:54]
williamdunne jurov: Yeah that'd work perfectly [14:54]
williamdunne Basically some way to get json on the trust between two people [14:55]
trinque ascii_field: ouch [14:55]
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jurov williamdunne: but in cases where ther is data, it works [15:04]
williamdunne Oh wow [15:05]
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scooptest The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VII http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ [15:11]
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scooptest The downtrodden are downtrodden for a reason. Step on their faces! http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ [15:11]
mircea_popescu "The vulnerability affects the WordPress versions 3.9.3, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, and the latest WordPress version 4.2." [15:11]
scooptest The sad story of me sniffing varnish http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ [15:11]
mircea_popescu 2.x immune. [15:11]
scooptest Chtulhu emerges! http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ [15:11]
williamdunne Welp, thats not ideal [15:11]
scooptest What amused me today http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ [15:11]
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mircea_popescu "Moreover, Pynnonen reported the vulnerability to the WordPress team but they “refused all communication attempts” he made since November 2014." heh [15:12]
cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfxl0-sgJE0 [15:12]
mircea_popescu "no ddos possible [15:12]
assbot Fox 10 And Friends - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtCCWD ) [15:12]
ascii_field l0l guess who else isn't affected. [15:14]
ascii_field (for same reason as mircea_popescu) [15:14]
mircea_popescu mmmyeah. [15:14]
mhagelstrom I guess I can talk now [15:14]
mircea_popescu see, the exact thing happening in bitcoin, where the power rangers fell off the curve, happened long ago to wordpress. [15:14]
mircea_popescu the notion that their "latest" is used or relevant is teh lulz. [15:15]
mircea_popescu mhagelstrom and who might you be ? [15:15]
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scoopbot_revived News! Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/ [15:16]
assbot Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtDSJk ) [15:16]
mircea_popescu mhagelstrom PGP: 548A 84F8 60CF E0AB EA11 A2BA 4D34 0126 F402 0636 ? [15:19]
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davout BingoBoingo: s/heals/heels/ [15:19]
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mhagelstrom mircea_popescu yes that is me [15:19]
mircea_popescu aite, go register it with assbot [15:19]
BingoBoingo dammit, fxd [15:19]
mircea_popescu !h [15:20]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [15:20]
mhagelstrom mircea_popescu that is my public key [15:20]
mircea_popescu right. [15:20]
mircea_popescu in the strange news line, http://www.perfil.com/sociedad/El-misterio-de-una-chica-que-estuvo-16-horas-desaparecida-20141107-0053.html [15:26]
assbot El misterio de una chica que estuvo 16 horas desaparecida ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtGI0W ) [15:26]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field load average: 0.40, 0.54, 0.30 what speed is that ? [15:31]
ascii_field mircea_popescu has nothing better to do ? [15:31]
ascii_field srsly [15:31]
mircea_popescu shuddup i'm sysadmining :D [15:31]
* mircea_popescu is really curious what gcd over rsa keys actually looks like in terms of resource consumption. [15:33]
ascii_field mircea_popescu is also invited to read the src [15:33]
ascii_field which happens to be sitting there [15:33]
mircea_popescu apparently i just got rebooted outta da box! [15:34]
* ascii_field presently trying to discover why the fucker runs from anywhere -other- than crontab [15:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, off to eat, will flyplow with this more later. [15:34]
ascii_field and 'internal server error' otherwise [15:34]
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mircea_popescu uh [15:35]
* ascii_field thinks he discovered reason [15:35]
ascii_field when phuctor coldboots it regens the product over the moduli [15:36]
ascii_field (which is kept in ram at all times) [15:36]
ascii_field this locks db [15:36]
ascii_field or hm, apparently not [15:36]
* ascii_field discovers that he was not this retarded when having written the thing [15:37]
mircea_popescu you know ~why~ it's kinda exciting to watch this, right ? [15:38]
ascii_field l0l [15:38]
ascii_field found idiocy, will describe later if anyone gives a shit [15:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00030068 = 1.3681 BTC [+] [15:41]
scoopbot_revived News! X.EUR July 23rd 2014 statement URL: http://fr.anco.is/2014/x-eur-july-23rd-2014-statement/ [15:41]
davout scoopbot_revived: totally news yo [15:42]
mod6 heheh [15:42]
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* davout doesn't quite get why ascii_field is so deep in cpanhell [15:42]
mod6 did they hassle you about the meat? [15:42]
ascii_field davout: was [15:42]
davout mod6: nope, should have brought moar back [15:42]
mod6 nice [15:42]
davout ascii_field: so you're done or you switched to something else? [15:43]
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ascii_field davout: mircea_popescu had the box decrufted [15:45]
ascii_field davout: just now i took a moment to set up on that box, and ran into a few boojums [15:46]
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jurov not so long ago, i have found alf a box, he declined. now he has to take whetever there is. [15:47]
ascii_field jurov wanted me to pay money, l0l [15:47]
mircea_popescu omfg its a great box what! [15:47]
jurov s.nsa is not your money [15:47]
ascii_field jurov: i don't deal in monotonic guaranteed trips to penury [15:47]
mats lol [15:49]
mats such drama [15:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7409 @ 0.00030068 = 2.2277 BTC [-] [15:49]
ascii_field anyway it works... [15:49]
mircea_popescu no ?! [15:49]
jurov i invested 100BTC into s.nsa.. to see penury mentioned in relation to ordinary business expenses? [15:50]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i haven't moved the domain yet [15:50]
mircea_popescu jurov he really doesnt wanna spend moneyz. [15:50]
jurov i'm at loss of words. [15:50]
ascii_field jurov: i'll refresh memory for ancient thread. mircea_popescu has it - i refuse to add recurring expenses when there is no revenue. [15:50]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i meant just the churning, is it going ? [15:50]
ascii_field this is what 'monotonic trip to the basement' means [15:50]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it will churn if you submit a new key or req retest of an existing key [15:51]
scoopbot_revived News! Scoop Testr URL: http://thethug.life/retrial/ [15:51]
assbot Scoop Testr — Lego Under the Giant's Feet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtNC6t ) [15:51]
ascii_field as specced [15:51]
mircea_popescu jurov i can see it, can't go out of business by not spending. [15:51]
jurov so shut up and eat cpanel [15:51]
mircea_popescu it;s just a plain centos dood. [15:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8697 @ 0.00029613 = 2.5754 BTC [-] [15:51]
ascii_field jurov: l0l that was last night's thing. today we have normal box. which i just finished setting up. [15:51]
ascii_field correctly. [15:51]
mircea_popescu i'll go through the correct centos and poke fun at engineer later. [15:52]
ascii_field anyway it works. time to move the dns [15:52]
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jurov williamdunne: scoopbot_revived is not cloaked [15:54]
williamdunne jurov: Never has been [15:54]
mircea_popescu williamdunne yo ugettingflooded ? [15:55]
williamdunne Nope, not yet anyway [15:56]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: dns switched over, will propagate eventually [15:56]
ascii_field happy phuctoring, fellas. [15:57]
mircea_popescu so mebbe i dun understand something, but wasn't it going to process the however many gb archive ? [15:57]
jurov what was the url? [15:57]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: when i pump it in! [15:57]
mircea_popescu o you plan todo over http ? [15:57]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: yes, as a kind of torture test. anyone should be able to do this [15:57]
ascii_field without talking to me [15:58]
mircea_popescu ah ok [15:58]
mircea_popescu i imagined it's just gonna get done locally for expediency. but hey, tests are great. [15:58]
ascii_field i'm about to switch off the old one [15:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, THATs why i kept asking. [15:58]
ascii_field aaaaahahahaha [15:58]
ascii_field l0l [15:58]
mircea_popescu well... that and ... other reasons. [15:58]
ascii_field woah 535 day uptime. [15:59]
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mircea_popescu jurov http://nosuchlabs.com/ [15:59]
assbot Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwS1g5 ) [15:59]
ascii_field except not propagated yet [15:59]
jurov i see archive.today (195.211.154.159), that's the old one? [16:00]
ascii_field new [16:00]
mircea_popescu ;; ANSWER SECTION: [16:00]
mircea_popescu nosuchlabs.com. 1800 IN A 195.211.154.159 [16:00]
gribble Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command. [16:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00029616 = 1.9772 BTC [+] [16:00]
mircea_popescu welcome to the year not being 2005 anymore, ya know ? [16:01]
mircea_popescu dns propagation's a minute nowadays. [16:01]
ascii_field l0l wut [16:01]
* ascii_field prepares voodoo curse for 'namecheap' [16:01]
jurov heh [16:01]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly someone should make a decent registrar [16:02]
mircea_popescu o wait, we're obsoleting dns huh. nm. [16:02]
mod6 :] [16:02]
ascii_field 'decent registrar' is like 'decent gasenwagen' [16:02]
ascii_field existing ones are 'decent' from perspective of usg et al. [16:02]
jurov just compile namecoin into libnss.so :DDDD [16:03]
mircea_popescu is .fuck taken anyway ? or .cunt ? [16:03]
mircea_popescu http://beer.cunt [16:03]
mircea_popescu Submissions: 3930 Known Moduli: 6642 [16:04]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: propagated on your end? [16:05]
ascii_field over here - no [16:05]
mircea_popescu ascii_field Click here (big!) << could be replaced with Click here (28588 digits) ? [16:05]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yes, its what i said above. and you're probably just caching locally. [16:05]
mircea_popescu dump the cache it'll respond correctly. [16:05]
jurov http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt would deserve some spiffy visualization...any mathematician with idea? [16:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtQTmm ) [16:07]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [16:08]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: if you're reading the thing, you will notice there are two processes (one which actually does the work, 'werker'.) [16:10]
ascii_field finally propagated here [16:16]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15175 @ 0.00029562 = 4.486 BTC [-] {3} [16:20]
mircea_popescu well im sitting on top, so. [16:20]
mircea_popescu all ready over here :D [16:20]
ascii_field aha worx [16:20]
ascii_field next when i get a moment i'ma cook up a proper jinxed keypair [16:21]
mircea_popescu nono [16:21]
mircea_popescu just dump the db in plox [16:21]
ascii_field because the 'under construction' thing is disgraceful [16:21]
ascii_field and naturally will dump db in [16:21]
mircea_popescu i wanna see if this'll actually work practically or not for the purpose. [16:22]
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mircea_popescu Error: Was that really a GPG public key? Try again. [16:28]
mircea_popescu ahem [16:28]
ascii_field lol wut [16:29]
ascii_field who? [16:29]
mircea_popescu ascii_field doesn't seem to work [16:29]
ascii_field dpaste plz [16:29]
mircea_popescu http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x454B0FC0BC07B87E for instance. [16:29]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0x454b0fc0bc07b87e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwWTSj ) [16:29]
mircea_popescu nor http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x59C93F63549036BD [16:29]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0x59c93f63549036bd " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwWXkX ) [16:29]
ascii_field wtf [16:30]
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mircea_popescu must be teh cpanel [16:30]
ascii_field l0l [16:30]
mircea_popescu lol [16:30]
cazalla anyone know what's going on here - http://dpaste.com/3D4ZXZR.txt [16:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwXbZu ) [16:31]
trinque bad disk? [16:31]
mircea_popescu cazalla bad index [16:31]
mircea_popescu looks like typical bitcoind that was shut down suddenly [16:31]
cazalla been running fine for a while but now, same problems i had a few months back : [16:32]
mircea_popescu https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2785 << sometimes it fixes itself :D [16:33]
assbot ChainState DB uncorrupted itself · Issue #2785 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwXrHN ) [16:33]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: some serious strange. those keys work on my local box's phuctor, identical sourceball [16:34]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field prolly http posting fuckx them up [16:34]
ascii_field nono [16:34]
ascii_field likewise http [16:34]
ascii_field running copy of the thing locally [16:34]
mircea_popescu differnet http stacks eh. you running centos locally ? [16:35]
ascii_field course not [16:35]
mircea_popescu what, you expect things to just work ? [16:35]
mircea_popescu the internet's not a truck, where yo ucan just dump stuff you know! [16:35]
* ascii_field begins to drool, like the flea-bitten characters in film 'city of lost children' [16:36]
mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Series_of_Tubes_-_Senator_Ted_Stevens.ogg [16:37]
assbot File:Series of Tubes - Senator Ted Stevens.ogg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwY5oI ) [16:37]
BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WA-gckbI--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/enneopevmant8ohbidxa.gif [16:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwYlEa ) [16:39]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it doesn't eat any key, lol [16:40]
ascii_field motherfuckers. [16:40]
mircea_popescu yep won't even see mine [16:40]
mircea_popescu tho it's in db [16:40]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what is that ? [16:40]
mircea_popescu ascii_field maybe if i install varnish ? [16:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He's flipping the ball into the stands for the fans... Who aren't there because Baltimore, playing the game with an empty stadium because riots [16:41]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: l0l! [16:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so this is by now completely insane. [16:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It truly is. Guy's probably just flipping the ball into the stands out of habit, but seriously in the middle of the day they can't have spectators because... riots? [16:43]
BingoBoingo Not actual riots, but just the fear of riots [16:43]
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mircea_popescu http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/fetlife-bdsm-meat-list-consent/ << how to write about mp without linking trilema. [16:43]
assbot The BDSM version of Facebook is under attack for ignoring women's safety concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERUR4h ) [16:43]
ascii_field 'zero length field name in format' [16:43]
mircea_popescu !rate Alana Massey -10 stupid whore. [16:44]
assbot Alana is not registered in WoT. [16:44]
ascii_field pythonism [16:44]
ascii_field incompatibility b/w 2.7 and 2.6 [16:44]
mircea_popescu heh [16:45]
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scoopbot_revived News! Life isn't Gaussian. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/29/life-isnt-gaussian/ [16:49]
assbot Life isn’t Gaussian. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwZY4K ) [16:49]
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lobbes !up_ascii_field [16:50]
lobbes !up ascii_field [16:50]
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mircea_popescu in transgender = confused kids without supervision news, http://boards.420chan.org/cd/1.php [16:56]
assbot Transgender Discussion - 420chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERXEdH ) [16:56]
ascii_field mircea_popescu et al: fixed. [16:57]
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ascii_field ty mircea_popescu, for a very palpably faster box. [16:58]
ascii_field it is very spiffy. [16:59]
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mircea_popescu shit this guy's fast [16:59]
ascii_field considering that previously, this thing wasn't even on a computer in the usual sense - this is a major step forward. [16:59]
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mircea_popescu 015-04-29 15:54 (Queued, 2 Moduli Remaining - Refresh page to update.) [16:59]
mircea_popescu listen, seeing how it's using about 10% of what it could... throtle it ? [17:00]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: if you read 'werker' - there is a polling knob [17:00]
ascii_field set, at present time, to 5s [17:00]
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ascii_field why would we want to throttle the thing, again ? [17:02]
* ascii_field confused [17:02]
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mircea_popescu well, there's no point in it having 2 items in queue while load is under 4 ish [17:05]
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punkman http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 [17:06]
assbot dpr » udp and me ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERZVWl ) [17:06]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the way it works is that when polling interval elapses, it does everything in the queue [17:07]
mircea_popescu aha [17:08]
mircea_popescu i guess that's spikey no ? [17:08]
ascii_field aha [17:08]
ascii_field if folks were to put a million keys through this thing each day, every time a new planet with intelligent pgp-using aliens is contacted, i would probably tweak a few things, yes. [17:09]
jurov mircea prolly noticed lightbulbs dimming every 5s [17:10]
ascii_field i also love how mircea_popescu put this box in a war zone [17:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4755 @ 0.00028909 = 1.3746 BTC [-] [17:17]
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ascii_field BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/baltimore/baltimore-police.htm [17:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ES3pZ2 ) [17:21]
ascii_field gotta love those traditional wooden 'democratizers' [17:22]
ascii_field ( http://cryptome.org/2015-info/baltimore/pict4.jpg ) [17:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ES3Hix ) [17:22]
trinque what is that, pepper-spray paintball? [17:22]
trinque or just paintball [17:22]
ascii_field painball [17:22]
mircea_popescu dude that police looks just like lego characters foretold. [17:22]
ascii_field the revolver-shotgun is finally out, apparently [17:23]
trinque ascii_field: rubber rounds in pic #5? [17:23]
ascii_field (pic19.jpg) [17:23]
trinque I'm not familiar with seeing cops holding those [17:23]
ascii_field the obligatory ziptie handcuffs (last photo.) [17:24]
trinque revolver shotgun likely fires tear gas canisters [17:24]
ascii_field see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-02-2015#1029076 [17:25]
assbot Logged on 22-02-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next. [17:25]
trinque stylish leather strap on those beatin'-sticks [17:26]
* ascii_field finds these scenes extra-lulzy on account of having walked on those streets [17:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00180847 = 1.8085 BTC [+] {8} [17:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.0016191 = 1.1334 BTC [-] [17:39]
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BingoBoingo ascii_field: lol at the MRAP [17:46]
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mircea_popescu hm... butt should do something [18:01]
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assbot Need a number of lines. [18:06]
ben_vulpes !a [18:06]
ben_vulpes !b [18:06]
assbot Need a number of lines. [18:06]
jurov !b 1e1000 [18:06]
assbot Make it a positive integer. [18:06]
BingoBoingo !b 31337 [18:07]
assbot Last 31337 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZP0YCV.txt ) [18:07]
mod6 !butt should just do like: (_8_) [18:15]
mod6 or select a jpg from a random pool of hotbutts [18:16]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwjYuywWlA [18:17]
assbot 34 3lb Ham Slicer Vs The Wolf - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA2wN ) [18:17]
mircea_popescu apparently robot fights is a thing [18:17]
mircea_popescu anyone into this scene ? [18:18]
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mod6 ham slicer just waxed that thing [18:21]
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* lobbes vaguely recalls some tv show from ~15 years ago depicting robot fights such as these [18:26]
mircea_popescu should be lots of fun now that silly-valley's come up with the police bot. [18:28]
mircea_popescu get some $5 dollar wedgers in there lol [18:28]
pete_dushenski lobbes was this 'the bots master' ? https://youtu.be/LLKYOSiW7U4 [18:29]
assbot Bots Master Intro - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTGiLm ) [18:29]
pete_dushenski ah nm, more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab2V_tH076A [18:32]
assbot RC Fighting Robot Wars - Inertia XL v's Tilley's Revenge - 2013 Combat Robots UK Championships - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTGESc ) [18:32]
lobbes pete_dushenski: yes! that second one [18:33]
* pete_dushenski also remembers this show from childhood, watching it with brother and father. [18:34]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115259 << i don't want to say i had anything to do with this, but... [18:41]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 03:45:05; decimation: lol http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-twitter-earns-20150429-story.html < "The company lost $162.4 million, compared with a loss of $132.4 million in the year-earlier quarter. Revenue jumped to $435.9 million from $250.5 million, but still fell far short of analysts' expectations of $463 million." [18:41]
danielpbarron it was called battle bots i think [18:41]
pete_dushenski losing my account and losing 20% of your share price just a month later? hmm, twitter, very hmm. [18:41]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron that was totally it. [18:42]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115268 << fuck stltoday and their wapo-esque survey paywall. [18:43]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 03:59:26; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Ferguson may be heating up again http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/gunfire-wounds-one-amid-protest-near-brown-shooting-scene-in/article_20958339-2ed0-577d-a80d-ba0959137074.html [18:43]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Stahp using javascript everywhere [18:43]
pete_dushenski anyways, ferguson remains on low boil until further notice. [18:44]
pete_dushenski and reloading makes the stltoday page magically work. [18:45]
pete_dushenski because that makes sense. [18:45]
pete_dushenski "if you looks at our ads twice, we'll let you read the page once" [18:45]
pete_dushenski "or you can look at them once and fill out our survey" [18:46]
pete_dushenski "Police made at least five arrests for charges including burglary and flourishing a weapon." << flourishing! how poetic. [18:46]
danielpbarron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvvlhOfxKfs [18:47]
assbot Sunny in Philadelphia, Mac and Dennis act British - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTIXoh ) [18:47]
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pete_dushenski danielpbarron i do enjoy 'sunny'. the first 5 seasons were pretty fucking hilarious but i haven't kept up with it since then. [18:50]
danielpbarron it's one of my favorites to leave on in the background while doing other things [18:52]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Anyways the Post Dispatch was the first Pulitzer owned newspaper [19:05]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo pulitzer winning ? how does a prize own a paper. [19:08]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No, as in the historical person Pulitzer. [19:08]
pete_dushenski lolk [19:08]
pete_dushenski also '2015 winner' according to site [19:08]
pete_dushenski brb [19:09]
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williamdunne Scoop the fourth is now re-written. Will be moved to a server, rather than my laptop [20:02]
williamdunne At the moment doesn't support adding new feeds. That will come soon-ish [20:03]
pete_dushenski williamdunne want me to test it on contravex ? [20:03]
williamdunne That'd be ideal [20:04]
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scoopbot_revived scoopbot_revivied test http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/29/scoopbot_revivied-test/ [20:06]
assbot scoopbot_revivied test | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGJLfV ) [20:06]
pete_dushenski there we go. [20:07]
williamdunne Perfect [20:07]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115874 << seems like the trilema editors should scan qntra articles too. [20:14]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 14:42:28; mircea_popescu: (and yes editors, which trilema doth employ, send the corrections with "did you mean to X" half the fucking time) [20:14]
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pete_dushenski i mean, a few of us here do it for fun, but surely we miss errors here and there. [20:15]
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williamdunne w.b-a.link down.. lol [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9993 @ 0.00029333 = 2.9312 BTC [+] [20:20]
pete_dushenski hm. same here. [20:21]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115643 <<< from their website under "Strategic Advisors" Jackson Palmer and Brock Pierce lol [20:24]
assbot Logged on 29-04-2015 10:14:00; davout: so apparently this neucoin thing sold for 2.7kBTC worth of their, ahem, "coin" [20:24]
pete_dushenski bwahaha [20:28]
pete_dushenski on the plus side, they only pulled in 2700 btc, most of which was surely their own [20:29]
pete_dushenski this is down markedly from a year ago, when scams could still find 10,000+ btc [20:29]
cazalla still, not a bad effort compared to some other launches [20:31]
cazalla how much did that gems messaging app raise? BingoBoingo always goes on about it for some reason [20:31]
cazalla "hey cazalla, you should get gems yo, you earn gems for messaging" [20:31]
BingoBoingo cazalla: No idea [20:31]
pete_dushenski !s gems [20:32]
assbot 58 results for 'gems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gems [20:32]
cazalla soz for the elbowing BingoBoingo but i saw more gems news on coinfire earlier :) [20:32]
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pete_dushenski http://www.blockchainsummit.io << fuckin branson. derp harder, mate. [20:35]
assbot Block Chain Summit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGNWZc ) [20:35]
pete_dushenski just whatever you do, don't pgp up and wander in here. [20:35]
pete_dushenski because hosting nobodies on your private island is more fun! [20:35]
pete_dushenski oh look, bitgo dood, garzik, pierce, and silbert are all going. [20:37]
mircea_popescu "This post Formule de salut on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. concerning SEO provides clear thought for new SEO users that how to do Search engine optimization, therefore keep it up. Nice job [20:40]
mircea_popescu Asics sale" [20:40]
cazalla yeah, qntra has plenty of those and other variations mircea_popescu [20:40]
mircea_popescu you must be good at seo. [20:43]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski errybody wannabe cartman. [20:44]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu and flirt with transgenderism! [20:49]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3c143UdGxI [20:50]
assbot Cartman's transgender toilet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGQxCl ) [20:50]
mircea_popescu i ha dno idea [20:50]
pete_dushenski season 17 or 18 [20:51]
pete_dushenski newer shit. [20:51]
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Pierre_Rochard pacioli accounting software preview: http://pacio.li/FinancialStatements/IncomeStatement/BTC/Month/Current [21:07]
assbot Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1duInDJ ) [21:07]
Pierre_Rochard click around, let me know if anything busts [21:07]
Pierre_Rochard (and any other feedback) [21:07]
mircea_popescu lol uncategorized everything!!11 [21:09]
mircea_popescu what sort of an example are you setting for business people such as myself!@ [21:10]
Pierre_Rochard haha, well, some random categorizations will be in the next iteration of the test data generation script [21:13]
mircea_popescu :p [21:14]
Pierre_Rochard the core accounting part is stable at this point, the treasury part needs a major overhaul, and documentation / source code access will be in place before the next halving [21:18]
mircea_popescu it doesnt even say if its gaap or what [21:19]
Pierre_Rochard it’s definitely gaap at this point [21:20]
Pierre_Rochard in fact the database tables and query structures are as close to perfect accounting theory as you’ll get [21:21]
Pierre_Rochard but most of gaap is about how to book specific transactions (for example expense vs capitalize) [21:21]
Pierre_Rochard so it’s gaap if a good accountant is using pacioli, it’s some non-gaap thing otherwise [21:22]
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mircea_popescu well... you see what im saying ? [21:38]
Pierre_Rochard I don’t… gaap or non-gaap depends 90% on the user, 10% on the software - the software is at 11% [21:39]
bitstein https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Spinal_Tap_-_Up_to_Eleven.jpg [21:40]
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mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard a large chunk of the utility here is education, seeing how a bunch of people are going to get involved in a sort of you know, de novo, revolutionary economic process. [21:54]
mircea_popescu so giving them stuff like - well documented drop lists ? huge win. [21:55]
mircea_popescu sorta funel the process of selection towards gaap/sanity [21:55]
Pierre_Rochard I see, completely agree [21:55]
mircea_popescu TON of work on yoru side [21:55]
mircea_popescu but the good sort of work, the sort that creates a barrier to entry. [21:55]
Pierre_Rochard started here, but definitely ton of work: http://rochard.org/pacioli/docs/Chart_of_Accounts [21:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q04hMM ) [21:55]
Pierre_Rochard yes [21:55]
mircea_popescu myeah. it WILL help if it leverages the power of html to literally funel people into sense. [21:56]
mircea_popescu "pick from here, then here then here". [21:56]
Pierre_Rochard that’s a great approach, I was stuck in the mindset of “I’m coding this for accountants”, rather than “I’m coding this to create accountants” [21:57]
mircea_popescu yep, you got it. [21:59]
mircea_popescu and even if the resulting "accountants" won't be very good by the way this is measured today (a "stickler" approach - great emphasis on detail) [22:00]
mircea_popescu if they have ~fundamental~ understanding as a result of interacting with your thing, you scored major points. [22:00]
Pierre_Rochard right, agreed [22:02]
mircea_popescu there's actually, how did that quote go... [22:04]
mircea_popescu "I have often felt that programming is an art form, [22:05]
mircea_popescu whose real value can only be appreciated [22:05]
mircea_popescu by another versed in the same arcane art; [22:05]
mircea_popescu there are lovely gems and brilliant coups [22:05]
mircea_popescu hidden from human view and admiration, sometimes forever, [22:05]
mircea_popescu by the very nature of the process." [22:05]
mircea_popescu applies to accounting just as well, except even fewer people know. [22:05]
mircea_popescu and i don't even mean it in the made-for-tv "tax dodge11!1!" sense. [22:05]
mircea_popescu i mean it in the bluntest "make sense of reality" sense. [22:05]
Pierre_Rochard indeed, though I think the gems will become apparent as pacioli becomes integrated with a wallet and the WoT. writing the core accounting part was necessary because of all the crufted OSS gnucash/openerp monoliths [22:07]
Pierre_Rochard the end goal is to have a currency -> payments -> accounting -> finance process that is well oiled and a joy to use [22:09]
Pierre_Rochard off to dinner [22:09]
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mircea_popescu yeah [22:42]
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decimation asciilifeform: more on ada: http://www.adacore.com/academia/universities/ < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools [23:46]
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assbot Universities | Academia | AdaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpqUs2 ) [23:46]
decimation this is a feature - not a bug - if we agree with the notion that anything that keeps the masses of cool kids away is a good thing [23:47]
mircea_popescu what'd be popular tech schools ? [23:49]
mircea_popescu like georgia tech or what [23:49]
decimation yeah, ivies, major land grant schools [23:52]
decimation there are a couple of those on the list, but mostly it's made up of small private schools and vocational schools [23:53]
mircea_popescu so more like mit ? that's notrly popular is it ? [23:53]
decimation well, mit is probably the most notable school in the list [23:53]
mircea_popescu or you mean popular as in, sought after. not as in, where commoners gather [23:53]
decimation yeah, sought after [23:53]
decimation I think mit actually has a significant percentage of high school valedictorians [23:57]
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