Forum logs for 26 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

pankkake	"Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" for a almost text only static blog, lol	[00:00]
pankkake	lol, with that reactor on top, right	[00:00]
pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun this always cracks me up by the way	[00:02]
assbot	Chicken gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	benkay why did you stop anyway	[00:05]
benkay	!s benkay blog	[00:06]
assbot	71 results for 'benkay blog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=benkay+blog	[00:06]
benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2014#759236	[00:06]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	if that' sthe case you'r doing something wrong.	[00:07]
benkay	yeah?	[00:07]
benkay	what's the right way to do it?	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	i think so yeah.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	well now that i dunno.	[00:08]
mike_c	1) make blog 2) slap on btcalpha bitbet referral image 3) retire	[00:08]
mike_c	just ask TaT	[00:08]
benkay	mike_c: that's where this conversation started.	[00:09]
benkay	lol i just checked my bitbet referral addr	[00:09]
benkay	maybe i should resume blogging	[00:09]
benkay		[00:09]
benkay	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2014#759254	[00:09]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:09]
mike_c	your referral addy got some hits or dried up? i was confused.	[00:09]
benkay	got some coins dumped into it	[00:11]
mike_c	nice	[00:11]
benkay	yeah	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	pigeons: my stocks went down too, but the price doesn't matter, i'll just take a temporary loss and not sell. how long is temporary? << you don't understand what loss means in this context.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	anyone ever is thrilled to take a taxable-income-loss.	[00:11]
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moiety	ThickAsThieves: omg does it really sound like i say cunt?! D;	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	mike_c very well known, 2004 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3639679.stm 2008 : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/16/password_security/	[00:14]
assbot	BBC NEWS \| Technology \| Passwords revealed by sweet deal	[00:14]
assbot	Women love chocolate more than password security The Register	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	funny how this never comes up in discussions about "women in tech"	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	artifexd: I come back from Ecuador and realize that they just banned bitcoin entirely because they're going to make their own cryptocurrency. I guess my wife was right all along when she said Correa was a dumb ass. <<< let the kids have their fun.	[00:15]
chetty	well I bet males give up passwords pretty easy too, just different incentives	[00:16]
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mike_c	ah. this is a good point. chocolate is just wrong bait.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: lots of text for 1btc. << funny how little money the vocal periphery actually controls.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	peter schif and amgi metals are worth 1 disposable btc ? lulzk.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c this is factually true. no govt drone ever kept a secret when tits were nude on the table.	[00:17]
mike_c	oldest spy trick in the book	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	anyway, gold btc price bets don't seem to garner much interest these days http://bitbet.us/bet/977/btc-price-to-rise-above-1oz-of-gold/	[00:19]
assbot	BitBet - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold before November :: 0.19 B (37%) on Yes, 0.32 B (63%) on No \| closing in 2 months 1 week\| weight: 74`918 (100`000 to 1)	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	i guess schiff / macaskill can claim moar bet volume than bitbet on that one lol.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	o, nm, there's more http://bitbet.us/bet/976/btc-price-to-rise-above-1oz-of-gold/	[00:20]
assbot	BitBet - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold :: 1.04 B (80%) on Yes, 0.26 B (20%) on No \| closing in 9 months 1 week\| weight: 92`472 (100`000 to 1)	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	awell.	[00:20]
mike_c	nobody on bitbet would be dumb enough to bet on gold against btc in 5 years	[00:20]
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mircea_popescu	it's a hedge i guess.	[00:21]
mike_c	it's 80% yes on a 9 month bet	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	"Rather, the decline is cyclical and as the economy improves, Furman said, millennial headship rates will improve, which could translate into eventual ownership." <<< ahahaha no fucking way.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	what headship ? millenials want to live in herds, as slaves, with a master.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	this is what subreddits are all about.	[00:22]
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mircea_popescu	five to ten young men in a living unit, three to six young women.	[00:22]
benkay	i don't know anyone my age who seriously thinks they'll be buying a house anywhere anytime soon	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	benkay that's not even it. HEADSHIP.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	you know what that is ?	[00:22]
benkay	nfc	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	ok, lemme clue you in.	[00:23]
benkay	leadership summat?	[00:23]
benkay	please	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	headship is the internalised delusion that it is worth your while to regard the world so that if a water pipe breaks you pay for it to be fixed.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	rather than shrug and call the landlord.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	basically, it's like being a parent, except for no benefit and much more upfront expenditure of skill and resources.	[00:23]
mike_c	kakobrekla: updating hourly now.	[00:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00082266 = 29.698 BTC [+] {2}	[00:24]
benkay	wth	[00:24]
benkay	who does that	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	benkay your parents, and other idiots thatr age.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	this is why headship is so impoirtant in discussions of "economy" on the govt side :	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	!mpif	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	the headship count is a rough proxy for how much money the govt could steal in ap inh	[00:25]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]	[00:25]
benkay	hang on headship applies if you own as well?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	in a pinch*	[00:25]
mike_c	what did jurov mean before? "jurov:mircea_popescu: looks like the F.MPIF perpetrator wants to withdraw"	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	benkay well yes. you "own" it so here's what the govt wants from you now.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	a) that you go fight in iraq ; b) that you pay for X Y Z	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	c) that you so and so.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i took it to mean that he wants deposits flushed.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	if he didn't, tough for him.	[00:25]
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mike_c	ah ah. i thought somebody was trying to back out of a trade (which is obviously silly)	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi how that'd work lol.	[00:26]
*	benkay is so confused	[00:26]
mike_c	yes, hence my confusion when you said you were on it :)	[00:26]
jurov	mike_c certain dude who sold mpif did it on coinbr	[00:27]
jurov	and wanted to withdraw	[00:27]
mike_c	i get it now. i was like "there's a mpex undo button??"	[00:27]
jurov	since it was quite a sum, i proceeded to withdraw directly from mpex	[00:27]
jurov	and then asked mircea to flush	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	share with the group benkay .	[00:28]
BingoBoingo	!up fats_cd03	[00:29]
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jurov	we have this variety speak with mircea	[00:29]
fats_cd03	hi qts	[00:30]
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mircea_popescu	and no one understands it when they read their morning logs.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	!up ntio	[00:30]
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mike_c	benkay: somebody dumped mpif to way below nav earlier today. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#769094	[00:30]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:30]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c well, "Way below" in sanity land. in bitcoin... shit on havelock';s been trading 50-60% nav, so...	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	10% no big deal.	[00:30]
benkay	mike_c: yeah, i saw that.	[00:31]
mike_c	yes. just selling 1 btc for 0.9 btc always strikes me as nuts. i guess if you need the liquidity.	[00:31]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i'm still confused about 'headship'. how is it a measure for pinchable assets? and how is fixing a pipe in a house you're paying the mortgage on a foolish thing?	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	benkay why would you be paying the upkeep of something you don't own ?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	basically the us has been degrading ownership over the past decades	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	the attractiveness of ownership is slowly following	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	and they're trying to come to terms with this.	[00:32]
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nubbins`	but without ownership, there cannot be pride!	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	why not ? reddit gold and karma.	[00:34]
nubbins`	flim-flammery!	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	l'enfer c'est l'autres, no ?	[00:34]
nubbins`	oui, c'est trop vrai	[00:34]
benkay	the thesis is that because there's no alloidal title in the us, one doesn't actually own the place?	[00:35]
benkay	mircea_popescu:	[00:35]
nubbins`	protip: read this line and its two predecessors in reverse order	[00:36]
nubbins`	!b 3	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	benkay as compared to the rights and privileges ownership conferred upon your grandfather, ownership confers nothing much to you today.	[00:36]
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mircea_popescu	consequently, every able bodied male in your grandfather's age group tried desperately to own.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	comparatively, your peers don't give a shit.	[00:36]
benkay	ah	[00:37]
nubbins`	giving up 'nothing much' in favor of 'nothing' :o	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	they measure how much of a shit your peers give under "headship"	[00:37]
chetty	we live in a disposable world, whats the point in owning trash	[00:37]
fluffypony	this is seriously impressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8b1zWOgOKA	[00:37]
assbot	Assassin's Creed Unity Meets Parkour in Real Life - 4K! - YouTube	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	and the difference between real value and actual headship is how much actual value (not printed dollars) "they have" stashed away in that particular accumulator.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	benkay consider the reverse of this situation : during the azn crisis in the 2000s, people were queing up to donate their privately held gold to prop the centra lbank.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	that's headship.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	there's a very fine equilibrium between how popular a government is and how much support it can muster.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	as things stand right now, if someone could somehow be bothered to invade, the us would simply collapse and that's that.	[00:39]
chetty	would anyone give the FED a dime?	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	would any of the people who target practice use their arms on the invaders or on the feds ?	[00:40]
chetty	enie meanie miny moe	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	no wonder gun ownership is perceioved as such a problem.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	sure in an idealised, us-centric world as the naive represent thngs to be, a well armed citizenry is the guarantee and bla bla.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	but in the real world of real politik, an armed opressed populace is fucking dangerous, it'll side with the enemy.	[00:41]
fluffypony	benkay / anyone else - if you come across someone really, really junior who has the barest smattering of C / C++ and is keen on a testing role that can grow into a dev role, please let me know	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	someone was actually doing hr for a living, lemme see here.	[00:42]
benkay	fluffypony: how many hours/wk, at what rate?	[00:43]
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fluffypony	benkay: rate is negotiable, but I'm expecting junior junior;) I'd expect a weekly commitment of 15 - 40 hours	[00:43]
benkay	this is for a coin thing?	[00:44]
fluffypony	it's for two unrelated projects	[00:44]
benkay	;;ticker	[00:44]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 599.02, Best ask: 600.78, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 600.78, 24 hour volume: 5045.56318982, 24 hour low: 592.97, 24 hour high: 609.65, 24 hour vwap: 600.697679446	[00:44]
benkay	;;calc 1*[ticker]	[00:44]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[00:44]
benkay	;;calc 1*[;;ticker]	[00:44]
gribble	Error: ";;ticker" is not a valid command.	[00:44]
benkay	dafuq does this thing want	[00:45]
benkay	fluffypony: by junior junior i imagine you want sub 0.1 B/hr	[00:46]
fluffypony	benkay: yes	[00:46]
mike_c	;;calc 1 * [ticker --last]	[00:46]
gribble	599.02	[00:46]
fluffypony	mike_c has the magic touch	[00:46]
mike_c	although it probably wanted you to multiply by 1 in your head	[00:46]
benkay	;;calc 1 * [ticker]	[00:46]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	benkay 0.01 should be enough for anyone.	[00:46]
benkay	well it was for the syntax, not the calculation, mike_c	[00:47]
benkay	six bucks/hr, mircea_popescu ?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	benkay fiverrr	[00:47]
mike_c	i think it was thestringpuller that was always using calc for stuff like x / 100 :)	[00:47]
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benkay	;;bc24hrprc	[00:48]
gribble	Error: "bc24hrprc" is not a valid command.	[00:48]
benkay	bah	[00:48]
benkay	anyways	[00:48]
benkay	i got mouths to feed	[00:48]
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BingoBoingo	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/25/2017202/russia-posts-110000-bounty-for-cracking-tors-privacy	[00:48]
assbot	Russia Posts $110,000 Bounty For Cracking Tor's Privacy - Slashdot	[00:48]
jurov	!up Lycerion	[00:48]
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mike_c	;;bc,24hprc	[00:48]
gribble	602.03	[00:48]
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mircea_popescu	surprising literally no one.	[00:49]
benkay	thanks, mike_c	[00:49]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/25/the-same-thing/	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	!up mus1cb0x	[00:50]
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mus1cb0x	hiya	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	ello.	[00:50]
mike_c	fluffypony: i might know a student interested in that deal. you want 15 hrs or 40 hrs? cuz he wouldn't have 40.	[00:50]
fluffypony	mike_c: it's up to what they can commit - I'm happy with a part time role as long as they stay commited and active	[00:51]
mike_c	ok, i will enquire. what's the range on pay	[00:52]
mike_c	or the low end, or whatever	[00:52]
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fluffypony	mike_c: tough to say - I'd be expecting the BTC equivalent of anything from $10 to $15 hourly	[00:53]
mike_c	k	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	;;seen RagnarDanneskjol	[00:54]
gribble	RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: Sachs is the Bono of economics - LOL	[00:54]
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mircea_popescu	that long huh.	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Wait, what are you hiring?	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#769804	[00:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:54]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: tester	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	!up Mantrid	[00:55]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Like for your dildoes, your wife... what's being tested?	[00:55]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: software tester, obviously, why would a dildo tester need to know a smattering of C / C++ :-P	[00:55]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: to make sure the dildo doesn't smash its stack on exceptions	[00:56]
fluffypony	hah hah	[00:56]
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fluffypony	depends on if we're using it as a back massager	[00:56]
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mircea_popescu	. Among the top cities that may see a surge are Austin and Dallas in Texas, as well as Denver and Des Moines, Iowa.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	des moines ? srsly ?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	"i wanna move to des moines" said nobody ever.	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[00:59]
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mircea_popescu	this nuanced view is so nuanced it's about to collapse into a nuancelingularity.	[00:59]
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BingoBoingo	Well Des Moines is prolly the only place to move if you want to be a gay married pig farmer...	[01:00]
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bitcoinpete	sounds like the last refuge of the sane american	[01:01]
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mike_c	it's all about percentages. des moines goes from 10 to 11 and population increased 10%!	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	10 to 11 whats ?	[01:02]
BingoBoingo	;;google spinal tap	[01:03]
gribble	Spinal Tap Fan Site and This is Spinal Tap: ; Spinal Tap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Spinal Tap (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[01:03]
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benkay	turn it up to eleven!	[01:15]
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bitcoinpete	;;bc,stats	[01:16]
gribble	Current Blocks: 312481 \| Current Difficulty: 1.8736441558310238E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 314495 \| Next Difficulty In: 2014 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 43 minutes, and 54 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 24871389581.8 \| Estimated Percent Change: 32.7434	[01:16]
decimation	lol from asciilifeform's millenial housing link: "At the same time, there?s good reason to believe that millennials, those ages 18 to 34, aren't that different from other generations and will pick up their purchasing before too long ", then the article proceeds to list reasons why they won't purchase	[01:17]
decimation	most of the "wealth" in the major metro areas is actually held in the housing stock	[01:18]
decimation	I wonder what percentage of households in say DC would be able to purchase their own home (assuming they didn't have their "house wealth)	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	1%	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	!up bitspill	[01:19]
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mircea_popescu	who spilled da bits ?	[01:19]
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decimation	note that the areas that have increasing millennial home-buying are all low-cost areas that have escaped bezzle inflation: "Among the top cities that may see a surge are Austin and Dallas in Texas, as well as Denver and Des Moines, Iowa. "	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	yup	[01:21]
decimation	note those cities largely lack gov't jobs, and lack the primary patrons of bezzle money (big finance, welfare, defense contractors)	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	yup	[01:22]
bitcoinpete	http://trilema.com/2014/the-myth-of-the-us-social-mobility/#comment-103284	[01:22]
assbot	The myth of the US social mobility. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:22]
decimation	so we have a situation where people living in Bethesda have kids who have to move to Kansas because the people in Bethesda don't want to admit that they are poor	[01:23]
decimation	it's apparently easier to have your kids leave you than to admit that you suck	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	yup	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i need a card.	[01:23]
decimation	heh	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	us folk can't admit they suck andmore than classical japanese can admit emperor is a dumbass.	[01:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 99 @ 0.01152426 = 1.1409 BTC [-] {8}	[01:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 268 @ 0.00294999 = 0.7906 BTC [+]	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	but that aside, kids moving away is a good thing anyway.	[01:25]
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bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: how so?	[01:28]
bitcoinpete	not that i disagree...	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	individuation happens with hardship. the point of fambly sticking together is to control hardship through approaching it a certain way, much like a ship approaches waves a certain way.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	the bow is not the kids.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	if the average lifespan (esp for males) is in the low 40s, then sticking together family is perfect : by the time father croaks, kids are just old enough to pick up the pieces.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	with 50+ age expectancy, this model is disastrous, basically if humans were a functional species sexual maturity'd skip a generation altogethere.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	lookl at the british crown : the fact that charles actually reached sexual maturity is to the detriment of everyone.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	might as well skipped him went straight from lizzie to the kids.	[01:32]
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benkay	"the myth of US Social mobility is worse than mythical : it’s going the other way." // this is pretty well known among the 40-50 yo socialist set, and my generation seems to just accept it	[01:37]
benkay	"i'll die poor, what of it. let's have another pabst and talk about the latest pictures on instagram."	[01:38]
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decimation	there's some truth to that mircea. I suspect that the nuclear family was probably a reaction to this very problem	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation obv.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	benkay "imposing your will on the environment is evil anwyay"	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	this would be why columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars.	[01:39]
decimation	The trouble is that in the case of the DC area, for instance, the parents also are taking up the economic opportunties	[01:39]
benkay	this would be why columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars. // pardon me?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	benkay http://trilema.com/2014/just-how-much-do-you-know-about-washing-diapers/ scroll down	[01:40]
assbot	Just how much do you know about washing diapers ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:40]
decimation	only so many gov't and indirect gov't jobs, and they are handed out in a FILO queue	[01:40]
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benkay	i still don't understand. strips = stockings and stars = negroes?	[01:44]
benkay	just getting fucked hard?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	well "seeing stars" is this you know, being hit	[01:44]
benkay	right i'm with you	[01:44]
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benkay	columbia standing in for america. getting blapped over the head and wearing welts?	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	i guess this isn't my best joke.	[01:45]
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benkay	or i'm retarded, take your pick.	[01:46]
benkay	maybe i'm just trying to get you to explain it and ruin teh lulz	[01:47]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: opressed populace... it'll side with the enemy << who will invade usa? martians? and should they invade, for what purpose other than rounding up inhabitants for biodiesel? one might suppose folks would support usg over biodiesel harvesters?	[02:08]
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asciilifeform	tor prize << ad gone because prize claimed in five seconds. because contest was trivial.	[02:11]
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asciilifeform	columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars << http://thebrendans.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/screen-shot-2014-05-05-at-1-58-38-pm.png	[02:12]
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DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, will spend time learning more about shares / dividends and mpex s.mg and after that I'll probably drop a nice presentation / documentation link you way and see if we can figure something out that works for both of us	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	DreadKnight not a bad idea.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the arabs. because they're naive.	[02:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: so, can you picture an american faction siding with arabs ?	[02:24]
DreadKnight	r*	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	yep.	[02:24]
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DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, have you bothered with HoMM4 and the rest of the sequels?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform happened once before you know ? how did they conquer ur ?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	DreadKnight i tried them, for half a day.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	pure crap.	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	DreadKnight http://trilema.com/2010/eroii/ mostly for comments.	[02:27]
assbot	Eroii pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:27]
DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, good; will check that out	[02:28]
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DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, oh lols, seems it's one of your per fee articles, controversial approach for making money out of blogging :)	[02:40]
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thestringpuller	hmm	[02:52]
moiety	every friday freenode has a stroke it seems	[02:57]
thestringpuller	i don't think I've seen you in sex week moiety	[02:58]
moiety	lots going on thestringpuller how are things with you?	[02:59]
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DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, read the homm related comments, seen people defeating pretty much any neutral army without having many units of their own by exploiting the berserk spell in homm3, really OP, hypnotize can't compare overall; lame example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8DKlEbAv1U	[02:59]
assbot	How to defeat the 3500 Naga Queens in HOMM3's Dragon Slayer campaign. - YouTube	[02:59]
thestringpuller	I'm very glad it is Friday.	[02:59]
thestringpuller	Will probably play video games while I intoxicate myself at the pub up the street.	[02:59]
moiety	youplay video games at the pub?!	[03:00]
moiety	i wanna go to that pub!	[03:00]
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thestringpuller	well there is an arcade pub, with old 90's arcade games scattered about.	[03:02]
thestringpuller	but the one I'm going to is a skateboard ride away. So I can get drunk as shit and skate home.	[03:02]
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mircea_popescu	yeah hypnotize is weak	[03:08]
moiety	sounds dangerous thestringpuller lol	[03:09]
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mircea_popescu	DreadKnight mass slow + berserk + blind on a hero with infinte mp and archers against a slow infantry -> carnage.	[03:11]
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DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, totally; still reading comments actually, I got a bit of nostalgia now :D nice to see lots of comments on your blog made by krossfire as well	[03:17]
DreadKnight	ok, finally done	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	you know vlad ?	[03:19]
DreadKnight	got the privilege to meet him back in the day I started getting into game development	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	smart guy.	[03:20]
DreadKnight	I wonder why he hasn't sticked with making games, he had quite a few decent prototypes done in pretty much no time	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	not much money into it ?	[03:22]
DreadKnight	:D	[03:22]
DreadKnight	back then it sure was the case for indie game devs	[03:22]
DreadKnight	now things are changing, more potential	[03:22]
DreadKnight	will try to catch up with him soon, it's been too long	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	i think he's still semi-active on his blog.	[03:24]
DreadKnight	has that issue for years afaik	[03:24]
DreadKnight	last time I talked to him about 2-3 years ago, I recall his latest game with the zeppelin that he wanted me to try	[03:25]
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DreadKnight	he seems to be more into tweeting that blogging nowadays xD	[03:26]
DreadKnight	than*	[03:26]
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DreadKnight	4 blog posts this month, not bad	[03:27]
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gribble	Time since last block: 18 minutes and 20 seconds	[03:53]
mike_c	lazy miners	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c http://oglaf.com/ << check out the ad.	[04:41]
assbot	Enlist!	[04:41]
mike_c	hah! nice.	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	we're doing ~ 1.5mn impressions/hour atm. curious if it does anything.	[04:42]
mike_c	holy shit. that must be in a lot of places?	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	http://mspfanventures.com/ dunno if you like stuff like msp adventures ?	[04:44]
assbot	MS Paint Fan Adventures	[04:44]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, 100s of places. the web is a big hole.	[04:45]
mike_c	hopefully a big hole full of bitcoin	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	a hole is by definition empty.	[04:45]
mike_c	damnit	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, oglaf for instance has close to 1% ctr atm	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	so counterintuitively the ads are actually good.	[04:51]
asciilifeform	ctr?	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	click through	[04:54]
asciilifeform	aha	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	this is unheard of, ctr was last 1% in 1998.	[04:54]
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asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/07/cryptosphere-cryptome.htm	[04:56]
asciilifeform	'Canceling Kickstarter cancels the pledges, so nothing to return except an apology to those who pledged for Kickstarter's siphoning and selling their profile. (A fair number said this is why they would not participate in this or any other crowd-funding scam, that we should be ashamed of aiding and abetting the hustle.)'	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	well sure.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	this is not spam tho, this is advertising.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	$mpexlag	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	or what was it	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	$proxies	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	!proxies	[04:59]
decimation	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/25/bose_sues_beats_apple/ remember the dumbass beats acquisition? yeah it was still dumb	[04:59]
assbot	Bose decides today IS F*** With Dre Day: Beats sued in patent spat The Register	[04:59]
asciilifeform	in my simple orkish minds, anything i have to switch off a filter to see is spam. but hey, who has never spammed.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you see the wol banner in the oglaf site ? (ab ove) ?	[05:00]
asciilifeform	well yes i do now.	[05:00]
asciilifeform	bose patent << are they also suing sony? or any of the 100 or so other manufacturers of antiphase audio gizmos ?	[05:01]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform o you had to turn off a filter ?	[05:02]
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decimation	no, they are suing someone who has $3 bn	[05:02]
asciilifeform	'adblock' plugin	[05:02]
decimation	lawsuits are only useful if there's blood to suck from the other party	[05:02]
mike_c	well, they are suing apple now right?	[05:02]
decimation	yep	[05:02]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ah i c.	[05:03]
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*	asciilifeform ashamed to admit, owns some bose hardware. mainly because nobody else comes close in plain old noise zapping. (tried many vendors.)	[05:06]
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decimation	ascii what about those isolating in-ear buds?	[05:07]
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asciilifeform	decimation: that's what i have. bose's. with antiphase.	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform ashamed to admit, owns some bose hardware. mainly because nobody else comes close in plain old noise zapping. (tried many vendors.) << I feel that	[05:07]
asciilifeform	if, say, monsanto - sold a set with an extra -5dB attenuation, made of reprocessed kittens and personally signed by obama, at 20x the cost - i'd buy it...	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	^ Concur to many's butthurt	[05:09]
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BingoBoingo	Bose filters are great even if the fundamentals suck	[05:10]
csshih	=]	[05:10]
asciilifeform	most of the time i don't even connect the input to anything	[05:10]
decimation	yeah isolation from noise is nice	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	Ah usuausll I commect input to somgs of my people	[05:10]
decimation	do you find them more comfortable than head-clamp style headphones?	[05:11]
asciilifeform	then somebody asks 'why not shooting plugs?' and answer, 'try wearing those for 14 hrs'	[05:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: had those previously. also, unsurprisingly, bose.	[05:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: gave them to pet, who doesn't give flying fuck about noise	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: then somebody asks 'why not shooting plugs?' and answer, 'try wearing those for 14 hrs' << actually had a weird dream last night	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	Nagant bent its firing pin	[05:12]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: my understanding is that this is virtually unheard of	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	Went aroung too long begging for an SKS in the middle of zombies	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	Trraded beloved watch for working rifle in this dream	[05:12]
decimation	turns out that the beats by dre headphones suck at delivering bass too	[05:13]
decimation	http://itsjustjustin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Monster-Beats-by-Dre-vs-Beyerdynamic-DT-880.png	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	ello csshih	[05:13]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: but if it's an actual concern, i vaguely recall that a number of u.s. vendors offer titanium firing pins for just about anything short of a nambu	[05:13]
csshih	yo mircea_popescu	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: my understanding is that this is virtually unheard of << Turned out all of the other patent people held .308 winchester rifles I was the long 7.62x54R party to this fight against the undead	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	Short story, this morning's bitcoin burning went to a pound of firing pins	[05:14]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: phun phact. russia produced 308 winchester since early 1970s. why? brezhnev received a costly hunting rifle as a gift from usa. needed to feed it...	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	Would still like a Yugo SKS evwentually	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: phun phact. russia produced 308 winchester since early 1970s. why? brezhnev received a costly hunting rifle as a gift from usa. needed to feed it... << Similar with stalin and his 1911	[05:17]
asciilifeform	afaik russia never mass-produced .45	[05:17]
asciilifeform	as evidenced by the fact of lend-lease 'chicago typewriters' remaining mostly unused, languishing in warehouses to this day	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: But Russia has crates of them intended for Thompson	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	Unless submerged bullets don't aged to poorly	[05:18]
asciilifeform	incidentally,	[05:20]
asciilifeform	http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-says-ukraine-shelled-across-border-with-intent-to-kill-officers/504097.html	[05:20]
decimation	I wouldn't mind one of these: http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/364-centerfire-rifles-cz/KL/CZ_527_CARBINE.aspx strikes me as well made and practical	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	Officer model 1911 and clones are still popular concealed carry pieces	[05:20]
decimation	I would get the 7.62x39 with a suppressor (after all the ATF paperwork)	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	mike_c remember http://lawcomic.net/ ?	[05:23]
assbot	The Illustrated Guide to Law \| Keeping the Laughter in Manslaughter	[05:23]
mike_c	lol, never saw that one	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	decimation> I would get the 7.62x39 with a suppressor (after all the ATF paperwork) << for delicate shit in missouri suppressors are a thing and most .22 lr semi autos have tons of accesories available	[05:24]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-says-ukraine-shelled-across-border-with-intent-to-kill-officers/504097.html << turning into ugly balkan or Israeli shit	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	mike_c http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ >> tjat guy	[05:26]
decimation	my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork	[05:26]
assbot	The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:26]
decimation	because you know someone wanting to keep from going deaf while shooting game needs to be regulated	[05:27]
mike_c	ah, i do remember that post	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	synergy : because of wol author of that cartoon can now get a little money.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	i like it when my shit makes circles :D	[05:30]
BingoBoingo	my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork << Missouri to missouri lacks the hurdles	[05:30]
decimation	he had a practical use for it too: was out hunting, saw deer, didn't have time to apply hearing protection before getting off a shot (with 30-06), his ears rang for several hours	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork << Walther P-22 or whatever no wait with a probably missouri residence	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	he had a practical use for it too: was out hunting, saw deer, didn't have time to apply hearing protection before getting off a shot (with 30-06), his ears rang for several hours << This is why supressors are UK legal	[05:34]
decimation	afaik they are legal and common throughout northern europe (where guns are legal)	[05:34]
decimation	what purpose does it serve to require people who shoot guns to deafen themselves?	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	what purpose does it serve to require people who shoot guns to deafen themselves? << Puritan baggage	[05:37]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Mazing though that the two most killing calibers here are .22 lr and police 9mm and .38	[05:38]
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decimation	killing humans?	[05:40]
BingoBoingo	decimation: What else do people keep stats for?	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	Groundhogs readily fall to a tack hammer	[05:43]
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decimation	.22 lr pistols have always been popular	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	Also .22 lr hollow points have just enough space for a bit of pleasantly colored phosphorous	[05:44]
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decimation	um, why would you want phosphorous in your round?	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	.22 lr pistols have always been popular << Problem is they don't cycle well on subsonic loads	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	um, why would you want phosphorous in your round? << fire	[05:45]
decimation	so you can burn someone from the inside after your hollow point smashes their organs?	[05:45]
BingoBoingo	um, why would you want phosphorous in your round?	[05:46]
BingoBoingo	decimation: WIth .22 lr not usually persons, groundhogs and other vermin	[05:46]
decimation	ah that makes more sense	[05:47]
BingoBoingo	Anyways normal .22 lr blunt lead cheap shit tens to ricohet in the skull after it penetrates	[05:47]
BingoBoingo	For small mamammals though that extra burn sves a shot or two	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	Big mammals you have to get them to accept they are dying...	[05:49]
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DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, seems you forgot to translate "Un blog de" into english	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	!up seakazoo	[06:03]
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mircea_popescu	DreadKnight eh, what's it gonna hurt.	[06:03]
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DreadKnight	oh well	[06:07]
seakazoo	thanks assbot	[06:09]
mike_c	;;later tell fluffypony i gave that guy your handle, he may come ask you about the job	[06:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:09]
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thestringpuller	moiety: The nice thing about that pub is it is downhill.	[06:24]
thestringpuller	I get nice and drunk, then step on my board - and voila - gravity takes me home.	[06:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8256 @ 0.0008217 = 6.784 BTC [-]	[06:26]
DreadKnight	I managed to bump into a parked car in a similar scenario	[06:26]
thestringpuller	DreadKnight: I live in the suburbs so there is either 1) speeding cars or 2) no cars	[06:28]
btc111_	is MPEX still selling 5000:1 ether for march expiry?	[06:28]
DreadKnight	thestringpuller, I see; you said the pub has arcades?	[06:29]
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mircea_popescu	btc111_ yes.	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	;;refresh	[06:33]
gribble	Order refresh successful, 2 orders refreshed.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	!up RooK314	[06:33]
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RooK314	xD	[06:33]
RooK314	Well I finally get here and seakazoo leaves for the night	[06:34]
btc111_	wahts the default risk on those contracts?	[06:35]
btc111_	trying to model the default risk into my structured product	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	btc111_ the default risk is 0.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	RooK314 who's he ?	[06:36]
RooK314	She's a friend of mine. We are going to get her into some investments, not sure what yet	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	ah, cool.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?	[06:37]
assbot	I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:37]
RooK314	That's a possibility. You have to talk to her lol	[06:37]
Duffer1	bitcoin, keep them	[06:37]
RooK314	I highly doubt anyone would want to see my tits	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	;;google they really are buttcoins nao	[06:39]
gribble	They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	weirder things have happened.	[06:39]
btc111_	MP: 0 sounds like a bit of a stretch. im seriously interested in buying those contracts... do you have enough BTC to cover if ehter hits 200:1 ?	[06:40]
Duffer1	hehe	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	0 is not a bit of a stretch. the central bank is nominally 0 risk in any economic system.	[06:42]
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btc111_	MP: who's the central bank here?	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	me.	[06:42]
btc111_	MP: you have unlimited BTC to cover if ehter rises?	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	i have more btc than what eth can ever be worth, ever.	[06:44]
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btc111_	hah. interesting statement. care to elaborate? im not trolling... don't you think the hype will push it higher when it launches?	[06:46]
Duffer1	the question is whether or not it will still exist this time next year	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	btc111_ you overvalue hype. this isn't fucking feminism, or some other internet thing where what people say matter.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	people can hype all they want, i deflated the dogecoin hype just fine, what's so special about eth ?	[06:47]
btc111_	MP: turing complete contracts	[06:48]
Duffer1	lmao	[06:49]
*	mircea_popescu shrug.	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	;;google why i nixed colored coins	[06:49]
gribble	Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; OP_CHECKCOLORVERIFY: soft-fork for native color coin support ...: ; Mixed Associations Aged With Precise Mystique - mactaggart jewelry:	[06:49]
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mircea_popescu	have a stab at that first link there	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	very little changed since 2012 on the score.	[06:50]
btc111_	MP: if ethereum hasn't launched by march, do the contracts expire worthless?	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	basically, yes.	[06:51]
DreadKnight	if dealing with bitcoins, do I have to bother with taxes?	[06:51]
Duffer1	depends on jurisdiction and how legal you want to be	[06:52]
btc111_	MP: ah, nevermind then -- i could see them being at least 6-8 months delayed	[06:52]
DreadKnight	good reply	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	DreadKnight that's something to ask your tax attorney not the internets.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	the internets have no idea.	[06:52]
btc111_	brb	[06:52]
DreadKnight	so no :D	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	btc111_ the notion that they have the discipline to maintain work on that thing after 9 months' delay six months from now is beyond ridiculous.	[06:54]
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mircea_popescu	the average lifespan for a blog is about 13 months, and that's an upper bound for dumbass internet kids and their projects.	[06:55]
RooK314	^	[06:55]
Duffer1	9 months delay + 5k? free btc..	[06:55]
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asciilifeform	http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=1008	[07:37]
assbot	Strict Liability pg 1 \| The Illustrated Guide to Law	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah. it's a good blog.	[07:38]
asciilifeform	good guide to what 'nation of laws' means in practice.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[07:39]
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DreadKnight	so how come big companies like Apple and such don't buy back all the shares? I can think of a few possible reasons but maybe I'm missing something important...	[07:49]
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DreadKnight	s/shares/stocks	[07:56]
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DreadKnight	well nvm, reading up a lot of articles on the subject	[08:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.16308646 = 3.751 BTC [+] {4}	[08:43]
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hanbot	heya before i nn, i wanna close this: http://bitbet.us/admin/resolve/957/	[09:36]
hanbot	on the 23rd it closed above 70	[09:36]
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benkay	http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ // i have WoT citizenship.	[09:42]
assbot	The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	benkay lol rootless cosmopolitan is u.	[09:44]
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benkay	can't quite say what i am	[09:45]
benkay	no idea, really.	[09:45]
benkay	"optimizer of future degrees of freedom" is the closes i've come lately.	[09:45]
benkay	http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/#comment-89947 // my how time flies	[09:45]
assbot	The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[09:46]
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mircea_popescu	yeah, comment count at 103k now, ayear later.	[09:49]
benkay	for those following along at home, the 1st comic in the hotlinked legal horrorshow: http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/13656784545/1-introduction-crime	[09:54]
assbot	1 Introduction - "CRIME" - The Illustrated Guide to Law	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	you know the guy's site is linked above	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	cause wol is advertising on it	[09:57]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.utopiatemple.com/ << i used to play this 20 years ago	[09:59]
assbot	Formatters, Calculators, News and Forums - Utopia Temple	[09:59]
benkay	in derpy consulting companyville, a small and attention-draining project has been completed and discharged which is awesome, for both the money and the cognitive bandwidth. we've an agreement in principle with another client to take more of a technical project management role, handling more of the coordination of roadmap + code production and moving the product along while the ceo feller focuses on sales and other higher-level	[10:01]
benkay	concerns.	[10:01]
benkay	and another project is basically closed but we're still in the dance-around-and-grab-at-each-other's-nuts phase w/r/t actual working relationship and what has one	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	lo cool.	[10:03]
benkay	vision for next 2 years is to grab bigger and bigger slices of the pie, maybe using mobile as a wedge and demonstrating kickassery and then expanding scope to whatever can be had and paid for.	[10:03]
benkay	i'm starting to realize also that an engineering team that's blitting from one project to another is never going to be as effective as the same team focused on roadmap and cohesive set of business objectives.	[10:05]
benkay	which in retrospect, duh	[10:05]
benkay	subject only of stories that are not scams or threesomes	[10:06]
benkay	night all	[10:06]
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mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:102784ed9af580efc28d133cf25dece916aab235975fb14bbf89303f	[18:58]
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atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 613819.23 in 990 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -10.68	[18:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.27184064 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1328 satoshi per share	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.00285098 = 0.727 BTC [-] {2}	[19:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.67951300 BTC to 12`515 shares, 13420 satoshi per share	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://ninjablaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/demo3.png << fan page schedular.	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-]	[19:21]
FabianB	$traded	[19:23]
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benkay	amazing software	[19:24]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:24]
kuzetsa	mircea_popescu: what's with the spam tool?	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	kuzetsa it made me chuckle	[19:24]
kuzetsa	ah ok	[19:24]
kuzetsa	"spintax" ... sigh :(	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	(i made some comments about buying traffic yest, now im innundated with people pitching their various traffic generating offerings. some are lulzy)	[19:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-]	[19:25]
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DreadKnight	yeah, a lot of shady people are using bots and such to sell their magic crapware	[19:28]
DreadKnight	facebook allows for scheduled posts anyway, pretty powerful stuff, considering most posts don't make it to your fans and you need to spam	[19:29]
DreadKnight	my fb wall is filled with cleavage, gj Mark.	[19:32]
benkay	!s f.derp	[19:33]
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mircea_popescu	cleavage ain't that bad.	[19:33]
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DreadKnight	everything has pros and cons though :)	[19:34]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: cleavage ain't that bad. <- that's what Klye thought too :-P	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	lol how's that ?	[19:39]
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fluffypony	he thought cleavage was going to make him millions	[19:40]
fluffypony	:-P	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[19:40]
DreadKnight	it worked pretty well with Riot and League of Legends, lots characters / skins having that in-game and there's also Nikasaur chick presenting the community fanart showcase on youtube channel	[19:42]
DreadKnight	that game is like tailored for underage wankers	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	what, old men don't like teat ?	[19:44]
DreadKnight	old men are more into the real thing	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	ya think ?	[19:44]
benkay	!mpif	[19:44]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]	[19:45]
benkay	!t m f.mpif	[19:45]
assbot	Stupid fucking white man.	[19:45]
DreadKnight	:D	[19:45]
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fluffypony	lol assbot	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	benkay it just traded below nav briefly.	[19:55]
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decimation	lol over the butthurt re: amazon posting quartly loss:	[20:12]
decimation	Bezos insists on taking the long view. In his letter to shareholders last year, he responded to criticism about spending by saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half."	[20:12]
decimation	http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/features/amazon39s-far-reaching-ambitions-lackprofits-unnerve-investors_1138139.html?utm_source=ref_article	[20:12]
assbot	Far-reaching ambitions, no profits, worry Amazon investors - Moneycontrol.com	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1815 = 1.089 BTC [+] {2}	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	y saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half." << guy's got a point. he shgould be here.	[20:13]
decimation	amazon benefits from being one of the few well-run companies in the us right now - this gives them the power to create their own frame	[20:14]
benkay	right, last trade vs. orders on books	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	actually tbh bezos may be the only guy in the derpeconomy of websites and whatnot that i actually like.	[20:14]
decimation	derps have no choice but to invest in amazon because they don't see any good alternatives	[20:15]
decimation	then they whine when quarterly payouts are not forthcoming	[20:15]
decimation	I like his attitude toward meetings wrt powerpoint - he went the full Ed Tufte: http://www.philanthropydaily.com/jeff-bezos-powerpoint-prohibition/	[20:18]
assbot	Jeff Bezos PowerPoint prohibition \| Philanthropy Daily	[20:18]
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decimation	Ed Tufte is a little crazy but his classes are worth taking. His position is that you present your ideas in the form of an essay or paper. Then you talk about the salient points and field questions. The projector is for showing information dense pictures, like the baseball stats page from a newspaper	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/3NJD512 << and we have a first nibble on the eth short.	[20:20]
assbot	dpaste: 3NJD512	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation omfg he's copied me. THEIF!	[20:20]
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decimation	lol maybe, he has a book about it: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint	[20:22]
assbot	Edward Tufte: Books - Essay: The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint	[20:22]
decimation	it's short, but has pretty pictures and is easy to understand for n00bs	[20:22]
benkay	http://www.stockrip.com/finance/original-warren-buffett-partnership-agreement-found-here/	[20:22]
assbot	Original Warren Buffett Partnership Agreement Found Here \| StockRip	[20:22]
decimation	he writes about how powerpoint contributed to retardation at nasa which lead to the shuttle's destruction	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	the problem is exactly what he states : pp makes it easier for the presenter, harder for the audience. this is not a tradeoff you want	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	unless, of course, you're trying to make everyone dumber.	[20:23]
decimation	which is generally the goal of most gov't meetings, gov't education, etc	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	right. then it becomes fashionable and before you know it the dumb broads in your household are giving pps to each other. and you can't do shit about it, because they're not your slaves, they're your "equal partners"	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	very fucking far that'll go, i'm sure.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	except that removing pp will not cure retardation. just as removing maggots will not resurrect corpse.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	in fact : traditional views on sexuality impose monogamy as a standard because that's the only way to hide just how dumb and inept a commune actually is : by keeping it real small.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	try a family of a coupla dozen wives that are all "equal partners" and see.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it will, yes. it will resurect the not-yet-corpses and make the rest obvious.	[20:26]
Duffer1	mircea_popescu "..and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange" has "reputable" been defined?	[20:26]
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mircea_popescu	"just get rid of her if she's annoying" leads directly to "and get rid of any slaves that can't cope with no pp or complain enough"	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 basically, it has to actually work.	[20:27]
Duffer1	i see	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	obviously i'll be buying some once it comes out. if shit happens like on icbit , where your bids are simply ignored while it "sells" to lower bids... then it's not reputable.	[20:27]
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decimation	asciilifeform you mean Eth?	[20:28]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform welcome to the world of a different set of idiocy.	[20:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up bertani	[20:28]
-assbot-	You voiced bertani for 30 minutes.	[20:28]
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decimation	My favorite thing about it are the random code snippets that are supposed to demonstrate how awesome it is, but in fact demonstrate that it's crazy	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	decimation if this gets funded ima allow interested buyers to take positions. either directly or via bitbet.	[20:29]
asciilifeform	they have code?	[20:29]
decimation	kind of I guess https://www.ethereum.org/	[20:30]
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assbot	ethereum	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform according to their own claims, they got > 5k btc deposited by people looking to get a total 10mn of the shits.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	seths.	[20:30]
decimation	I guess it's one of these turing-complete contract bitcoin wanna-bes - I haven't seen any serious analysis of the codebase yet	[20:32]
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*	asciilifeform read their original paper, thought it could lead to something vaguely interesting - until the premined turdcoin came out...	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	no wait, that must be diff. this one's not out yet.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	hm	[20:32]
Duffer1	speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while..	[20:32]
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decimation	ascii re:premined - monkey can't let go of banana in trap...	[20:33]
danielpbarron	http://danielpbarron.com/swarm.log.txt << long but kinda funny read about yet another scam	[20:34]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765724	[20:34]
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decimation	quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana	[20:35]
decimation	but that kind of opportunity only comes around once a century or two	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana << i don't see it.	[20:36]
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chetty	http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28498909	[20:37]
assbot	BBC Sport - Argentina FA fined 20,000 for Falklands banner display	[20:37]
decimation	mircea, are you saying satoshi's horde doesn't exist?	[20:37]
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fluffypony	http://www.coinssource.com/trust	[20:38]
assbot	The Coins Source Trust Index	[20:38]
fluffypony	lol	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	decimation yeah.	[20:38]
decimation	is there a published analysis of the early blockchain?	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	lots.	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 693 @ 0.003 = 2.079 BTC [+]	[20:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 241 @ 0.00309014 = 0.7447 BTC [+] {3}	[20:44]
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mthreat	http://stopmasturbationnow.org/weather/17-year-old-girl-stuck-by-lightning-when-masturbating/	[20:45]
assbot	17 Year Old Girl Struck by Lightning While Masturbating \| Stop Masturbation Now	[20:45]
chetty	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/business/the-typical-household-now-worth-a-third-less.html?_r=0	[20:45]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	ahahah	[20:46]
decimation	https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/ << this guy estimate's satoshi's fortune at 1M btc,	[20:47]
assbot	The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius \| Bitslog	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	http://stopmasturbationnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/jen.jpg << this chick;'s like 30	[20:47]
decimation	that's alot but not enough to shake the foundations of bitcoin	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	decimation i am aware. it's not "his" estimation. there's been this thing pushed around since 2011ish, a meme equivalent to "who really is satoshi"	[20:48]
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decimation	ah, you discussed last year http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2013#39370	[20:49]
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mircea_popescu	decimation it's just... you know. pretty much everyone i know who's been mining in 2010 has actually lost the majority of bitcoin they ever mined. irrespective if they still mine or not.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	and besides, artforz is likely a much larger holder than satoshi himself. IF he had any sense.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	which judging by his disappearance, he prolly did have.	[20:51]
decimation	this guy has more detail https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507458.40	[20:52]
assbot	Chain Archaeology - Answers from the early blockchain	[20:52]
decimation	yeah I agree, I had mined in 2010 and lost much of it unfortunately	[20:52]
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mircea_popescu	so, yeah. people like to dream. one dream they like to dream is that they'll be the sherlock that'll discover "the real satoshi". another dream they like to dream is the vicarious wealth of amillionbtc.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing wrong with this any more than there's anything wrong with watching animated pony cartoons.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	when one starts pretendling like reality, going to school in their pony suit and mixing fiction in power points... well... that's actually unhealty.	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	i don't get what that coinsource thing is supposed to be.	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: tru story. << lel.	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	if only they had a smidgeon of business sense to start back in 2013 by coming here, they'd have actually had a future.	[21:09]
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decimation	http://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/itb/articles/?id=2529 << follow up on chetty's post	[21:13]
assbot	In the Balance : Hispanic Population's Share of Wealth Likely to Increase by 2025	[21:13]
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decimation	The U.S.'s Hispanic population was about 50.5 million in 2010, representing 16.3 percent of the total population (Table 1).1 According to the Federal Reserve's Survey of Consumer Finances and its Financial Accounts of the United States, Hispanic families had about ... about 2.2 percent of total wealth ... In summary, we project the Hispanic share of total wealth to increase from 2.2 percent in 2010 to either 2.6 percent or 3.2	[21:14]
decimation	percent of the economy's total wealth by 2025	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as some jews are hispanic, im sure it will increase.	[21:14]
decimation	even their "model" predicts no movement, but the press release predictably says: http://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/wealth-share-of-hispanic-population-may-triple-by-2025/	[21:15]
assbot	Wealth Share of Hispanic Population May Triple by 2025 \| St. Louis Fed On the Economy	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	this is such idiocy. rich people are rich people. they're not "hispanic", they're rich.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	there's exactly zilch that the "share of wealtyh of the hispanic population" means.	[21:20]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-profit/	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	this entire situation is reminiscent of someone trying to "enhance" abstinence-only sexed by reports about how "women's orgasms per capita set to increase this year"	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	people who're not fucking aren't going to be interested, unless, of course, they're retarded.	[21:22]
decimation	just as rich folk could give a tinker's damn what some poor mexican thinks about how things ought to be	[21:22]
decimation	http://www.isegoria.net/2014/07/decadence-is-not-physical/	[21:23]
assbot	Decadence Is Not Physical « Isegoria	[21:23]
decimation	"Decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity. The citizens of such a nation will no longer make an effort to save themselves, because they are not convinced that anything in life is worth saving."	[21:23]
chetty	I wonder, does the poor Mexican give a tinkers damn either?	[21:23]
decimation	not really, because he thinks he is rich compared to his cousins back home	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	Daniel: "We believe that we can build a better future. We believe that we can enable all to participate in a revolution of collective ownership, something that will radically shift the nature of human society." wtf; are they socialists? <<< lulzy danielpbarron	[21:23]
danielpbarron	i know, right? i was cracking up reading it	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	decimation it only indirectly results from a too long period of wealth and power. i know, for i've been wealthy and powerful my entire life. the trick is to not buy into comfort. that's the direct causation : once people become comfortable and think "i'm too wealthy and powerful to be here fucking with a wrench inside this engine on the side of a road".	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	pretty soon it's "we're too cool for our children to be killed off like the worthless shitbags they are"	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	and from there on... anyone with a wrench can wrench a deal out of you.	[21:25]
decimation	for some of them, they could be making more money not fixing things and hiring a guy	[21:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: usually this happens to folks born 'into' money	[21:25]
decimation	but that's a pretty restrcted set	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	decimation the problem is exactly there : a roman citizen is required to be part of the army, even if he could serve the republic "better" elsewhere.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	the point is specifically to be able to serve everywhere, so to speak,	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	because the relative value of things can't really be fixed.	[21:26]
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mircea_popescu	chetty likely not.	[21:26]
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mircea_popescu	decimation but you see the signs of decadence much closer to home : the moment people start shying away from calling someone a cunt in the street, because o noes, we're civilised now. that's it.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	compare the father with the son in cat on a hot tin roof. that's it.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	what, big daddy doesn't know what bum love is ? yes he does.	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	he may not be talking too much or too loudly about it because of that shithead ida, and her unwanted, unwelcome and damaging "love", but otherwise...	[21:28]
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decimation	in other words each household needs to keep its own shit in order	[21:31]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/07/cryptokey-refusal-prosecution.htm << mega-lol. 'surrender card.'	[21:33]
asciilifeform	(what's that? this - http://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2010/11/propaganda-and-surrender-tickets-world-war-ii-1953-1945-part-i.html)	[21:35]
decimation	ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus?	[21:38]
asciilifeform	decimation: this is SOP in usa	[21:38]
asciilifeform	decimation: which is why, with the possible exception of folks who can cough up astoundingly large ransom, falling into the hands of u.s. 'justice' system should be thought of as equivalent to ending up in a gestapo dungeon.	[21:40]
decimation	speaking of which, whatever happened to that guy who was convicted of possessing silver coins?	[21:41]
asciilifeform	possessing? or selling	[21:42]
asciilifeform	that was von NotHaus	[21:42]
asciilifeform	^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html	[21:42]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism	[21:42]
decimation	yeah him, did they actually sentance him	[21:43]
decimation	http://www.titanians.org/bernard-von-nothaus-seeks-acquittal-new-trial/	[21:44]
assbot	Bernard von NotHaus Seeks Acquittal, New Trial » Titania - the Open Source Ethical Society	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus? << the principle is that "the people" can charge you with w/o the shit they want.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	the exact equivalent of jury nullification	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	grand jury enactication.	[21:44]
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decimation	yeah that's scary	[21:47]
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mircea_popescu	decimation well if it wants to be a republic, it gotta be a republic.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	"Unless you have been through this, with much of it kept secret to protect means and methods of investigation and prosecution, prepare for an exciting first time on the actual hot seat, not on TV or online where hypnotic disinfo rules and seduces the unwary to believe tickling the comsec tiger's tail is fantasic rep building." <<< heh.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what do you perceive the difference being, between military and legal ?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	when at war, your perspective on what happens if you fall into enemy hands isn't 'know the magic incantations that will force them to let me go'	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	no, it's the "know the magic incantation that'll make them rue the day they messed with me so close"	[21:49]
asciilifeform	the magic incantation in that case is adequate fire support	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	not strictly.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	try capturing chtulhu. hey everyone! free insanity today, and all get seconds!	[21:50]
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asciilifeform	when (imho undeservedly) famous social engineer k. mitnick was captured, the jailers actually believed he was a chtulhu	[21:51]
asciilifeform	he was, famously, denied the traditional 'last phone call'	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:51]
asciilifeform	for fear of magic words!	[21:51]
decimation	he has magic hacking powers, give him the a. ames treatment!	[21:52]
asciilifeform	or, to quite relevant film, 'what good is a phone call mr. andersen, if you have no mouth...'	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	if only it were that easy.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	i mean obviously, the king's ministers, no matter how cornered, will attempt to put forth the theory of how dominant their kingdom actually is.	[21:53]
thestringpuller	lol it is that easy	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	this has some trouble getting past things such as you know, that wikileaks guy.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	if the kingdom actually worked like teh king's ministers propose it does, i wouldn't be looking into the yard of the king's minister's wife at the car of the guy the minister doesn't know she fucks	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	sort of thing.	[21:54]
jurov	so if ascii gets jailed for jaywalking, we shall expect another national guard gathering?	[21:55]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:55]
asciilifeform	my understanding is, the most one can hope for, if you aren't chtulhu, assanger, mircea_popescu - when the wagen comes, is to die with honour, without implicating other partizans	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform or you could blog about it.	[21:56]
*	asciilifeform should practice blogging while hanging upside down with gag	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	well now... here's the thing... you can't be talking while you're not able to talk, right ?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	and if you are able to talk, who's going to be able to control what you say, and to whom ?	[21:57]
jurov	hm.. i guess when patent trolls come for cardano, there are better ways than seppuku	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	perhaps you need your computers, perhaps you need access to a certain server, who's to know.	[21:57]
jurov	?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	this isn't nearly as cut and dried a matter as the usg likes to pretend (forced mistake, it has no alternative than to so pretend).	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	exactly the same problems that limit the mob limit the government, and can be used identically.	[21:58]
decimation	for instance they haven't managed to jail this von nothaus guy yet	[21:59]
decimation	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argq_cxalZ8	[22:00]
assbot	Interview: Bernard von NotHaus - YouTube	[22:00]
asciilifeform	wait, he's outside of a jail ?!	[22:00]
decimation	apparently he was convicted but never sentanced	[22:00]
asciilifeform	yeah, but where's he now	[22:00]
asciilifeform	walking the globe without a gps collar ?	[22:01]
decimation	well according to this interview in miami on 1 feb 2014	[22:01]
decimation	I suspect he has no passport	[22:01]
asciilifeform	so there we go. he's in 'большая зона' (the big jail.)	[22:02]
asciilifeform	(soviet term, in contrast to the 'little jail' - a jail in the usual sense; the big one - ussr.)	[22:02]
decimation	"we are coming up to march 2014, so I've been waiting 3 years to be sentenced, this is most unusual. Usually in a federal case you are incarcerated within 60 days after being found guilty."	[22:03]
decimation	usg must be scared of something	[22:03]
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asciilifeform	in cases like his, it is traditional for the inquisitor to make a series of offers to lighten punishment substantially in exchange for agent recruitment	[22:04]
asciilifeform	(aka turning stoolie)	[22:04]
asciilifeform	we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet	[22:04]
asciilifeform	so i don't see 'scared' - only 'patient.'	[22:05]
asciilifeform	if nothaus is cut loose, we should expect him to turn up eventually in the role of a karpeles or brock pierce.	[22:06]
decimation	well I tend to agree with your point about recruitment, but it's not clear to me what he is going to be recruited to do exactly.	[22:07]
decimation	an enterprising defense team would have him start another altcoin for the purpose of turning against it	[22:08]
asciilifeform	we'll know what it is once inquisitor makes up his mind, and nothaus surrenders	[22:08]
decimation	why didn't folks attempt to leave the "big jail" during ussr times?	[22:09]
asciilifeform	they certainly did.	[22:09]
decimation	seems like that would be the thing to do	[22:09]
asciilifeform	many of the same issues facing folks who want to leave usa.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	(a trip requires a destination)	[22:09]
decimation	I guess it's hard to escape with family intact	[22:09]
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asciilifeform	back to the treatment of nothaus - this was SOP for dissident types, at least post-stalin. you land, not in a jail cell, but a comfortable 'hotel room', where no one hangs you upside down, no! - but well-dressed, educated fellows have little chats with you over good coffee - to make you 'see reason.'	[22:14]
thestringpuller	decimation: that's very depressing :(	[22:14]
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asciilifeform	if you 'see reason' - you're a free man. get to keep doing what you were doing. except with a little microphone listening, or the like.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet << something like that.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	I guess it's hard to escape with family intact << people with families have no business escaping.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	their job is to work the soil and make babies.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	this is why a man with a profession that puts him in range of escape was required to have family.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	e.g. diplomats, military attaches, competitive athletes	[22:17]
thestringpuller	what if you don't want to make babies?	[22:17]
decimation	yes, their fate is to stand and take whatever comes I suppose	[22:17]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: then you don't get posted abroad.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller then eiher it's not a family, you're being forced to or you will be forced to.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	incidentally, pretty much none of the above were sent abroad with actual wives, children	[22:18]
asciilifeform	they'd get theatrical ones	[22:18]
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decimation	spies, presumably	[22:18]
asciilifeform	as diplomat, your 'wife' might actually be someone whose only job is to shoot you in the head if you start to 'turn.'	[22:18]
thestringpuller	sounds like huxley's world would make that a moot issue (humans bred in tanks)	[22:18]
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thestringpuller	it also seems being an orphan is more beneficial in that regard too...	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well tbh, i dun see why i'd have wanted to leave huxley's world. just hang out with the boss guy down at the bar.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	note that the analogy is not exact. the american equivalent of a soviet job with travel privileges would be, say, the right to own significant foreign (or theoretically liquid enough to become foreign) assets	[22:20]
asciilifeform	as this enables escape	[22:20]
decimation	http://galtsgulchchile.com/ << like these guys	[22:21]
assbot	Galt's Gulch Chile - To your freedoms	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what, like bitcoin ?	[22:21]
decimation	you can own, you just have to confess to usg you have them	[22:21]
asciilifeform	decimation: honeypot	[22:21]
asciilifeform	like 'citadel'	[22:21]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: couldn't one in america escape through...non traditional means?	[22:22]
thestringpuller	i'm implying illegal passports.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/#comment-103357 << kid found a romanian btc atm, wants to know why some derp did it and not i. well.. i'm lazy.	[22:22]
assbot	Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	but i follow the link. huge title "Bitcoin will be partially or totally controlled". ie, by some govt.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[22:22]
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asciilifeform	thestringpuller: you probably heard that many 'gulag' facilities were not guarded at all.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	the snow, bears, starvation - do the guarding.	[22:22]
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aabtc	aegis agamemnon23 Anduck Anon29486307 anthor Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform people's own dumb heads do the guarding.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	nothing to stop one from walking to mexico right now	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	oh, but... THE BEARS	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	and lions and tigers - oh my!	[22:23]
decimation	yeah I suspect walking to mexico is easier than the reverse	[22:23]
thestringpuller	there is a lot to stop you walking from mexico back into the states tho...	[22:23]
asciilifeform	nothing to stop the zek from walking into the permafrost, either	[22:23]
decimation	one would need iron balls to do it I guess	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	EcoChav: these girls are going to be using SWARM to raise funds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWTXht6doPM <<	[22:24]
assbot	California Kale Collective SWARM - YouTube	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to"	[22:24]
asciilifeform	for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but arbeit macht frei!	[22:25]
asciilifeform	lol	[22:25]
thestringpuller	i recently heard of a city in siberia that utilizes more energy to keep the city warm and operate than it would if people just commuted 100's of miles to operate the factories there...	[22:25]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: norilsk ?	[22:26]
thestringpuller	Yes!	[22:26]
thestringpuller	that's the one	[22:26]
thestringpuller	lol	[22:26]
thestringpuller	usually never gets above 70	[22:27]
thestringpuller	F	[22:27]
asciilifeform	- ?	[22:27]
thestringpuller	oh during the yeart	[22:27]
thestringpuller	like in july the highest it'll get is like in the 10's to 20's C	[22:28]
decimation	ascii have you seen "Happy People: a year in the taiga"?	[22:28]
asciilifeform	nope	[22:28]
decimation	this guy Werner Herzon tours the River Yenisei and finds people who live off the land	[22:28]
decimation	they would have walked out of the gulag without a second thought	[22:29]
decimation	s/Herzon/Herzog	[22:29]
thestringpuller	Herzog is one kinda character...	[22:29]
thestringpuller	He makes some of the best documentaries though.	[22:29]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what, like bitcoin ? << ameri-zek could escape if he had 10^7 usd or 10^4 bitcoin, say. but he won't ever see either, 'like his own ears without a mirror.'	[22:36]
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asciilifeform	now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	tourist noticed a puff of smoke coming from a tree stump.	[22:38]
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asciilifeform	(it was his chimney. disguised partizan-style.)	[22:39]
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asciilifeform	if tourist hadn't strayed miles from the road, if wind had been stronger - the dugout would be there still, with its inhabitant.	[22:39]
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decimation	that's long enough to claim adverse possession in many states	[22:40]
asciilifeform	not on federal land	[22:40]
asciilifeform	and, in many (most?) states, adverse possession is virtually impossible to pull off (title holder must be aware of the squatter and do nothing for xx years)	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform 10k btc ? foreals ?	[22:41]
asciilifeform	see dugout man above	[22:41]
asciilifeform	he needed 0 btc	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	the point is to live like a feral dog AND leave the country.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	but paid with other things	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	you gotta break the circle of "is necessary"	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	that's what the dam is built out of. convenience.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	inconvenience yourself and you'll be free, but otherwise, you're predictable, and in being predictable you'll be a tool.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: elaborate?	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	on which part ?	[22:42]
decimation	yeah that's what most of the "early retirement" folks advocate. if you can live on $20k per year you can retire now if you have any assets to speak of	[22:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: the 20k still have to come from somewhere.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	if they come from my being a stonemason in mexico city, as far as i can tell i'm then already in a jail	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	that's... 500 a year	[22:43]
decimation	they can even pay to have their kids escape to the great 'el norte'	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	somehow.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	not all do, notice.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	the other thing mexicans, eskimos, whoever, anyone but homo americanus have is - tribe.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	strength in numbers	[22:44]
asciilifeform	lone ant - dies	[22:45]
asciilifeform	anthill lives.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	lone and dies happy.	[22:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.185 = 0.925 BTC [+]	[22:45]
decimation	the eastern metropolis is especially bad on this count. high population density but everyone is alone	[22:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: let's say you were on the other side of the wire. my side. and you could escape, if you turned on that 'dulap' and gave up... cock&balls.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	now, is that life?	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i tend to break things.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	i recently went to a zoo, where they had cheetahs. one cheetah was a little different from the others. every time i see him, he's clearly preoccupied with looking for a hole in the fence.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	if he were a russian 'zek', he'd have a red stripe in his id papers.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	'побегушник'	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	which ironically makes the entire "terrorist" thing quite appropriate, except, i wouldn't shot them for the show (which is what terrorism implies, that you kill people for no reason than to impress other people). i'd do it because their continued existence is incompatible with mine.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform did i ever tell you about the two pellicans ?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	?	[22:49]
decimation	which is exactly the attitude that the us used to have back in the pioneer days	[22:49]
decimation	before they were won by the English...	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform my only lingering regret from my days in costa rica is that one day i've visited a bird reserve. a large geodome sorta thing with a lot of birds in it.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	among which two pelicans. which had figured where the door was, and what a door is. and were angling together to perhaps scare a dumbass tourist and manage to get out.	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	i have no idea why i didn't just take the birds across.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	lol!	[22:50]
asciilifeform	are they any good - to eat?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	i guess a lot of foreign military officers wondered why they've not simply shot hitler at any point in the 30s, just walk up to him and boom.	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im sure they couldn't have survived in ther wild, but i dun see why that should matter.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i recall at least two who wrote just this	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im sure the reason is exactly like the discussion re the altcoin	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	by the time you realise you should have it's too late.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	naturally.	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	there's actually an oglaf on the topic, too	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	http://media.oglaf.com/comic/chronotherapy.jpg	[22:56]
asciilifeform	lol, i recall this one.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	guy shooting hitler would necessarily live in an alt-universe where shooting hitler's death is not justified by hitler being hitler, and so on.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	this is a major reason to not punish murder, imo.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	maybe the murderer had a point.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	certainly murder of political figures is always justified on the face. they were, after all, political figures.	[22:57]
decimation	I suppose that's the point of jury nullification	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah but it mixes the people in there. what'd the people know.	[22:58]
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mircea_popescu	1930s german jury'd have not nulified hitler murder.	[22:58]
decimation	well, in the village the people would know, not in the city	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	this is such nonsense.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	vilage people are actualy a lot dumber than city people. they just have much fewer avenues to display their inanity.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	it's a case of 0.5 / 0.25 appearing larger than 1/1	[22:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13636 @ 0.0008003 = 10.9129 BTC [-]	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	hey danielpbarron, what do you do for a living ?	[23:07]
danielpbarron	I have a seasonal warehouse job	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	do you wanna get paid to derp on the interwebs ?	[23:07]
danielpbarron	maybe	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	do tell ?	[23:08]
danielpbarron	yeah; sounds very interesting	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	okay, what i want you to do is create a bunch of handles in various forums (i'll tell you which) and participate in the discussion.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	don't spam, make sense, bring in the various good points we know about the world doesn't, bitcoin, b-a, bitbet, mpex, etc.	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00079762 = 1.4357 BTC [-]	[23:09]
danielpbarron	so just tell the truth?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[23:10]
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mircea_popescu	i don't pay people to lie, they do that on their own & for free.	[23:10]
danielpbarron	what are the terms? how much money; how frequently?	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	you can spend the rest of your days doing it for all i care, 24/7. you're to report each weekend and i'll pay you mondays.	[23:12]
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danielpbarron	which forums?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	start with warriorforum.com, gfy.com and lessee... bodybuilding.com	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	that should keep you busy for a day or two.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	and more generally, if anyone's currently wasting a lot of time derping online and would like to make a job of it... say so.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	bodybuilding.com !?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's a lot you don't know :	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	:)	[23:18]
asciilifeform	certainly is	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	that thing's massive, about the size of a bodybuilder.	[23:19]
benkay	mircea_popescu: DERPs are backstopped to the sum of BTC brought in by sales of DERP shares, is that correct?	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron if there's religious interest forums you know that i don't / other stuff you're already doing feel free to throw that into the mix.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	benkay nah.	[23:20]
benkay	backstopped by your reputation and promise to pay?	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	they're backstopped by f.derp's assets.	[23:20]
benkay	so all of the D series is backstopped by all of f.derp	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	basically if each individual issue goes up 2x in btc, then it's just about wiped.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	if one issue goes up 100x in usd and btc goes up 10x and there's 10 issues, then it's just about wiped.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	etc	[23:22]
benkay	gotcha thanks	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen duffer1	[23:24]
gribble	duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while..	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell duffer1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770682	[23:25]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:25]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[23:25]
jurov	what, F.DERP is/will be actual asset?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	so one can take either end. this was discussed in teh logs!!1	[23:25]
thestringpuller	we short using normal methods? (asking you to borrow shares on margin?)	[23:26]
thestringpuller	^ mircea_popescu	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller short what ?	[23:26]
thestringpuller	DERPS	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	you short the derps globally by buying f.derp. or i guess individually by borrowing them from someone that bough them	[23:27]
jurov	i try to read everything but my subconscious tends to skip it :(	[23:27]
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jurov	it is apparently interested in politics and cultural anthropology	[23:27]
benkay	i like the finance stuff	[23:27]
thestringpuller	okay makes sense thanks mircea_popescu	[23:27]
benkay	can't be arsed with scamwatch	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	benkay kinda why division of labour is unavoidable.	[23:28]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: specialization is for insects	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[23:29]
chetty	ever notice how much big apt buildings look like beehives?	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	http://media.oglaf.com/ads/ad-reproductivestrategy.png	[23:34]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/fiDoDT6.jpg	[23:35]
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mircea_popescu	lol good for you.	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18649999 = 0.746 BTC [+] {3}	[23:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 645 @ 0.00166597 = 1.0746 BTC [-] {4}	[23:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.001695 = 0.8475 BTC [+] {3}	[23:41]
chetty	for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here// walking over the border to Mexico is actually pretty easy	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	http://legacy-control.com/comics/2014-07-22-The-Nest.jpg	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://legacy-control.com/comic/girl-dreams/	[23:43]
assbot	Girl Dreams – Legacy Control	[23:43]
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mircea_popescu	http://nedroid.com/2014/03/music-and-words/	[23:45]
assbot	Nedroid Picture Diary	[23:45]
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DreadKnight	really fun comic that legacy-control one	[23:47]
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mircea_popescu	o you know it ?	[23:47]
DreadKnight	now I do; bookmarked	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	:p	[23:49]
DreadKnight	need to recall what comics I used to follow besides xkcd	[23:50]
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DreadKnight	http://explosm.net/comics/ (newest one is lame though)	[23:53]
assbot	Cyanide & Happiness #3629 - Explosm.net	[23:53]

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