Forum logs for 26 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]	[00:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.0044 = 0.9988 BTC [+] {2}	[00:02]
fluffypony	benkay: always late for everything except for every meal?	[00:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0044 = 0.308 BTC [+]	[00:04]
benkay	;;ticker	[00:05]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 463.5, Best ask: 466.17, Bid-ask spread: 2.67000, Last trade: 466.17, 24 hour volume: 32390.83705859, 24 hour low: 438.05, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 465.483723915	[00:05]
benkay	dag.	[00:05]
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kakobrekla	!jd	[00:09]
assbot	Just-Dice stat: 16476 BTC profit, 36.1k BTC invested, 1100.33 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered	[00:09]
kakobrekla	!jd mpif	[00:09]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24467048 BTC	[00:09]
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mircea_popescu	ha!	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	splendeed	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	btw, you have one for panacea too ? :D	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	could be !mpif, spits out jd, panacea :D	[00:10]
kakobrekla	i dun think i can do that there because of the fee structure	[00:10]
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mircea_popescu	oh	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.00737639 = 0.1549 BTC [-] {2}	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	but i mean... at any point you must somehow know the maximum im allowed to withdraw	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	like i go... pls to pay me back 100 btc. you say well... you ain't got 100 btc. how do you know i don't ?	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07117736 = 0.7118 BTC [+] {2}	[00:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0044 = 0.2068 BTC [+] {3}	[00:12]
kakobrekla	like we discussed, the accounting is done at the end of the month	[00:12]
kakobrekla	at that point withdrawals are done	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	ah yeah. a fixed figure for 1 month isnt too useful	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	aite!	[00:12]
kakobrekla	theres 2 things	[00:12]
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kakobrekla	- you can see the trades so you can estimate something from that	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	maybe add the trades in chan ?	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	iirc they weren't very numerous	[00:13]
kakobrekla	i think its 5 this month	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	so add them to assbot feed.	[00:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+]	[00:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC	[00:17]
benkay	what's the endgame for counterparty look like?	[00:22]
benkay	it's not a classic GLBSE in the sense that someone's going to shut it down. theoretically anyone can walk the 'exchange' at any time and discover the assets available for trade.	[00:22]
benkay	i guess the real question is 'is there an endgame for distributed exchanges'?	[00:23]
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jurov	to fall into obscurity?	[00:25]
benkay	if exponential decay counts as endgame.	[00:25]
jurov	provided that the codebase is solid, which us pretty strong assumption	[00:25]
benkay	but they can't even fall into obscurity - noobs are still going to show up and want some return.	[00:25]
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benkay	i guess i'm assuming someone does a 'distributed' 'exchange' adequately at some point in the future.	[00:26]
jurov	on the other end of scale, planetary bubble?	[00:26]
benkay	ugh	[00:27]
jurov	fortunately no contemporary distributed systems can support 10e9 shareholders	[00:27]
benkay	do not want	[00:27]
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jurov	actually, if p2p trading system that can truly do that gets invented, i think it's inevitable	[00:29]
benkay	global bubble?	[00:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00095013 = 7.031 BTC [+] {2}	[00:30]
jurov	yes	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	benkay the endgame for it is now	[00:30]
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mircea_popescu	this is it. same as ripples.	[00:30]
Naphex	mircea_popescu, ever seen the thick of it / in the loop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSScBIopM8 Alistar Cambell loved it ;]	[00:31]
danielpbarron	if counterparty does take off, I have some choice asset names squatted	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	^	[00:32]
jurov	mircea_popescu: how? if it doesn't have a website that can be shut down and is decently resistant to double spends?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	just one of the many problems with "distributed" shits	[00:32]
jurov	(the latter remains to be seen)	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	jurov exactly the way myspace went. servers no purpose, has no utility. its entire lifetime is its endgame	[00:33]
benkay	mircea_popescu: those problems won't stop people from using it to sell seekyoorities	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	nothing's stopping people from using myspace to organise major concerts,	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	nothing stopped yahoo from recruiting their ceo on linkedin	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	soft constraints.	[00:34]
benkay	"major" "ceo" are orders of magnitude beyond the scope of btc scams.	[00:35]
kakobrekla	i deleted my linkedin a couple of days ago	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	benkay the purpose of a stock exchange is major and ceo.	[00:35]
benkay	kakobrekla: hipster!	[00:35]
kakobrekla	is that what they do now?	[00:35]
benkay	mircea_popescu: the purpose of a scam exchange is no accountability and access to pennies from paupers	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	yea ok.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	like the purpose of myspace/linkedin etc is advertising and "user data"	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03281792 = 0.9845 BTC [+] {8}	[00:36]
benkay	is it?	[00:37]
fluffypony	I don't think the tech is fundamentally flawed, I think there's a lot of good stuff and good ideas underlying it all...I just think that anything like that is only really going to be useful in 20+ years when the current banking/regulation systems are significantly different from today	[00:37]
fluffypony	when accountability can be controlled programmatically instead of enforced by the po-po	[00:37]
benkay	i thought facebook/myspace were "VC Gems"	[00:37]
mike_c	<+fluffypony> when accountability can be controlled programmatically << that hurt my brain.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony the fundamental flaw is the naive expectation for tech to work by intself and in of itself.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	this is the nonsense at work here, a sort of tech worship.	[00:38]
fluffypony	benkay: so what you're saying is counterparty is the next "Red Hot Penny Stocks"?	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.03409809 = 0.9888 BTC [+] {8}	[00:38]
mike_c	no, that's haveloc	[00:38]
mike_c	counterparty is the next nothing.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	that's a great blog name	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	TNN. The Next Nothing.	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	covering Republican finances since 2014	[00:39]
benkay	fluffypony: if i can't list a thing on mpex, i haven't made a good enough thing. there isn't another exchange out there that i'd sully my thing by listing on.	[00:39]
kanzure	does deleting your linkedin account actually work?	[00:40]
benkay	the taint coming from 2 sources:	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	kanzure yes. before you deleted it, you can delete it.	[00:40]
benkay	a) provenance of exchange.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	after you deleted it, you can no longer delete it anymore.	[00:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00094953 = 6.077 BTC [-]	[00:40]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: does it remove your address book etc? or does your data still contribute to their spam machine.	[00:40]
benkay	b) the 'security' 'peers' on the alternative exchange.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	as i said :D	[00:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	benkay our bitlordity's black, cold heart is warmed by your sentiments.	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.0044 = 0.9944 BTC [+]	[00:43]
fluffypony	mike_c: I think interesting things are coming from "trustless" systems when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making. For instance, imagine a designer works with a client who specs their project out. When the designer has completed it and delivered it, intelligent software is able to analyse his design and determine within a reasonable amount of probability that it matches the client's agreement both	[00:43]
fluffypony	functionally and from a design perspective. The software signs off on the transaction with no input needed from the client.	[00:43]
benkay	let me know the conversion rate of mp heart-degrees to btc, eh?	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	"when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making." << srsly, this is nonsense fluffy	[00:44]
benkay	fluffypony: i've yet to figure out how to build a DAC i can't rob.	[00:44]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: well it's already somewhat possible to have automated escrow with multisif	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC [-] {2}	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]	[00:44]
fluffypony	*multisig	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	run me through it.	[00:44]
fluffypony	ok so a 2 of 3 multisig transaction to purchase an MP3 - funds are now out your wallet and requires two sigs to release to the supplier	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	so i buy some shit from you. i send it to an addy where you have a sig and i have a sig and we must both sign for you to get paid ?	[00:46]
fluffypony	an automated system is able to verify the validity of the download link and that the checksum on the download matches the expected checksum of that song	[00:46]
fluffypony	and so merchant + automated system = 2 sigs	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	i'd never use it.	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.0044 = 0.9944 BTC [+]	[00:46]
benkay	gotta trust automated system to not get haxxed	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0712 = 0.2136 BTC [+]	[00:46]
benkay	oops	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	"expected checksum" wtf nonsense is that	[00:47]
fluffypony	I'm thumbsucking here, I'm not a distributed systems expert	[00:47]
fluffypony	s/checksum/hash	[00:47]
fluffypony	but look at a decentralised data store like Tahoe-LAFS, for instance	[00:48]
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benkay	distributed systems as a term of art in the industry (as i'd expect you to know, fluffypony) does not refer to these blockchain applications	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah, this is exactly the problem we're discussing. you don't understand the subject, but you do have convictions as to what works and how, and what the future will bring.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	this is religion, nothing else.	[00:48]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: absolutely, I have faith the Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit (tm)	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	yes well.	[00:48]
jurov	having ability to check specs automatically will result in unemployed designer, will be easier just to machine evolve something that fits the spec	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	where are your submerged cities and flying cars ?	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	jurov has it. the entire thing is a restatement of the perpetuum mobile,	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	in flashy new terminology.	[00:49]
benkay	lol machine evolved designs	[00:49]
benkay	not a terribly bad idea	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	a sort more palatable to the modern religious mind, which as you stated, works on the " Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit" faith	[00:49]
benkay	"here are 20 seeds! pick five."	[00:50]
benkay	machine thinks for an hour	[00:50]
benkay	"here are 40 'ideas'! pick 10"	[00:50]
benkay	machine thinks for another hour	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	"go to buy shoes. come back three hours later with a half cup made out of tin foil and something that looks like a mouse with no buttons"	[00:50]
benkay	"here are your five options! send btc to 1MACHINETHINKER and pick one package for downloading!"	[00:50]
benkay	point is only to outcompete the fiverr crowd	[00:51]
benkay	not the handmade leather shoe crowd	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking, this is kind-of how plenty of women do shopping today anywya	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00094953 = 2.3263 BTC [-]	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	give her $100 to buy fishnet stockings, watch her come back with a purse and batteries.	[00:52]
benkay	hah	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	law without people degenerates into the us sort of national-socialism.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	sex without people is masturbation. finance without people is also known as crisis.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	on it goes. you gotta have people in the loop or it ain't a thing.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	we'd be better off allowing violence, from the schoolyard all the way to the workplace, than having this diffuse "everyone hates everyone" sort of poison floating about.	[00:56]
benkay	i'd be satisfied if we allowed sex in america	[00:56]
benkay	allowed it to be a part of life, you know?	[00:56]
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benkay	i go out, i meet a chick as part of my gadding about the local scene. she's an acceptably well-practiced and hardworking programmer. i like her, we fuck. i can't hire her now basically.	[00:57]
benkay	wtf is this nonsense	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	why cant you hire her ?	[00:57]
benkay	bringing insane risk down onto the company.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	eh, have topless day, what.	[00:58]
benkay	hostile work environment	[00:58]
benkay	"i don't feel comfortable being topless at work."	[00:58]
benkay	don charnley has some hack for this	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	so work somewhere else.	[00:59]
benkay	except then the Labor Department steps in.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	~somewhere else~	[00:59]
asciilifeform	benkay: atlas, suitcase, airplane.	[00:59]
benkay	"we see that you're making your employees uncomfortable. please pay us your entire profits for the past ten years."	[00:59]
benkay	asciilifeform: working on it.	[00:59]
benkay	mircea_popescu: working on it.	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	funny story : at one particular workplace we actually had topless day. buncha young people, the guys thought it was great.	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	six weeks later we no longer had topless day	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	the guys thought it puts too much power in the hands of womenz and it basiclaly sucks and is opressive.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	me in 5yr. sitting in gasenwagen with benkay and ThickAsThieves: 'so, let's chat about how we worked on it. while the motor revvs.'	[01:00]
benkay	shit we only have 5 years?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	the settlement included guys having to always split the drinks tab among themselves.	[01:00]
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benkay	how so too much power in the hands of the girls?	[01:02]
asciilifeform	benkay: 'radiation damage'	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	benkay well after the first coupla hours of awkward, the chicks loved it, cause apparently it's more comfortable.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	the guys ended up spending all their time being awkward.	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	it was quite the show tbh	[01:03]
benkay	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHkteZJFlY	[01:04]
Naphex	http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/292/4/5/tucker_s_law_tea_towel_by_masterplanner-d6r36bp.png	[01:07]
benkay	now that's punishment!	[01:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.06998434 = 1.3297 BTC [-] {4}	[01:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06987327 = 0.1397 BTC [-]	[01:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10757 @ 0.00094538 = 10.1695 BTC [-] {2}	[01:32]
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cazalla	that towel is clearly australian made	[01:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709999 = 0.142 BTC [+]	[01:44]
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Naphex	gn	[01:47]
fluffypony	also here	[01:49]
fluffypony	night Naphex	[01:49]
Naphex	gn fluff` :D	[01:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7007 @ 0.00094645 = 6.6318 BTC [+]	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell satoshijack cool	[08:18]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.nameoftheyear.com/ apparently this is a thing	[08:19]
ozbot	Name of the Year	[08:19]
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mircea_popescu	for a quick laugh : http://pastebin.com/qDZwppcN	[09:17]
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cgcardona_	mircea_popescu: regarding https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459941006210007040—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff	[09:30]
cgcardona_	so ass backwards the way the US acts about online gambling	[09:30]
cgcardona_	like we're still on the mayflower	[09:31]
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mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ funny cause i had just written an article about exactly this	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/	[09:31]
ozbot	An inventory of a prison pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[09:31]
cgcardona_	wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet	[09:34]
cgcardona_	bitbet is kakobrekla's site yea?	[09:35]
cgcardona_	now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together)	[09:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET so start with the primary sources neh ?	[09:40]
ozbot	S.BBET last 357@0.00055999	[09:40]
cgcardona_	ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	it;s not bad.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla regularly gets cookies for it.	[09:41]
cgcardona_	;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	i eat them.	[09:41]
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cgcardona_	haha I bet you do :)	[09:42]
cgcardona_	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 cookie eating bitlord	[09:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ?	[10:13]
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fluffypony	thestringpuller: just read your Airbnb thing, they sound truly retarded	[10:20]
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mircea_popescu	between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal.	[10:22]
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fluffypony	I agree	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice.	[10:23]
fluffypony	I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there	[10:23]
fluffypony	:/	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse"	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ?	[10:24]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought Simple.com) are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime	[10:24]
fluffypony	lol	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony how about you sublet half a duplex to some schmuck	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years.	[10:24]
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fluffypony	I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world	[10:25]
fluffypony	especially in the US	[10:25]
fluffypony	aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements?	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	yes. including the parts of the world where airbnb domiciles.	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	somehow it's not been shutdown yet tho.	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile charlie shrem is in jail etc.	[10:25]
fluffypony	landlords need to step up and start nailing tenants who use Airbnb	[10:26]
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mircea_popescu	no. the sec needs to step up and have the shit delisted,	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved.	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	the founders, the angels, the board members, the vcs that signed sheets.	[10:26]
fluffypony	agreed	[10:26]
HeySteve	I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	want a fiat stock exchange as clean as mpex, gotta put in as much work as mpex does.	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve what security cam is this ?	[10:27]
HeySteve	wherever they might choose to meet that has Big Brother around	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	how do you get access to the recording ?	[10:28]
HeySteve	I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop.	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop	[10:29]
HeySteve	ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls.	[10:30]
HeySteve	heh	[10:30]
HeySteve	well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ?	[10:31]
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mircea_popescu	HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something.	[10:32]
danielpbarron	the cam helps the scammer	[10:33]
HeySteve	I'm thinking in Bitcoin-trendy places like Kreuzberg that shops accepting BTC would provide this service	[10:33]
danielpbarron	the point of the contract is to prevent the scammer from pretending no deal was supposed to take place	[10:33]
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danielpbarron	since the camera footage would show one guy type on his phone and the other leave with the money he entered with	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i don't exactly follow ?	[10:34]
danielpbarron	or in the case I heard about: the headphones with which he entered	[10:34]
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mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[10:36]
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danielpbarron	there was a real case where a guy said he wanted to sell his headphones for BTC; they met in a place that had a camera; the footage showed one guy type on his phone, and the other guy left with his headphones	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://spagni.net/jdmpif/ << broken ?	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ?	[10:36]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	oic	[10:36]
danielpbarron	if the BTC guy tried to grab the headphones, it would look as if HE were the theif	[10:37]
danielpbarron	thief*	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	i saw a - i was all omg wtf i got robbed overnight!	[10:37]
fluffypony	LOL	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there.	[10:37]
fluffypony	the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: http://spagni.net/jdmpif/jdmpif.txt	[10:38]
danielpbarron	and this really happened; so anyway, HeySteve had the good idea to get the cash guy to sign a GPG contract specifying his receiving address, before the face-to-face meeting	[10:38]
HeySteve	I wonder if it'd be worth developing a service for this, to make GPG contracts easier for casuals	[10:39]
danielpbarron	that way, the BTC guy can prove that fraud has taken place if the other guy tries to walk away after the transaction is broadcast	[10:39]
fluffypony	localbitcoins could integrate a quick and easy mutual GPG-signed contract	[10:39]
HeySteve	nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed.	[10:39]
fluffypony	HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability	[10:39]
fluffypony	although there are nice UIs nowadays	[10:40]
fluffypony	you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys	[10:40]
danielpbarron	yeh it's not gonna happen	[10:40]
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mircea_popescu	HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	that may well end up a big thing	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	make it a social media site centered around contract making	[10:40]
fluffypony	yeah, doesn't have to be GPG necessarily	[10:40]
HeySteve	yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[10:40]
danielpbarron	in my experience, localbitcoin users do not have the patience to wait for 1 confirmation, let alone learn what GPG is	[10:40]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained.	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	like any other dog.	[10:41]
danielpbarron	i agree	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either	[10:41]
danielpbarron	probably best not to even use that site	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	it's not.	[10:41]
HeySteve	the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed	[10:41]
HeySteve	could offer buyer a discount if they jump through the hoops	[10:42]
danielpbarron	gpg social media	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve cheaper than two guys with shotguns to back you up and a new pair of spatz every time some twennysomething spaz tries to be smart.	[10:42]
danielpbarron	i like the sound of that	[10:42]
danielpbarron	is that something keybase is working towards?	[10:42]
HeySteve	lol	[10:43]
danielpbarron	(i know they want your private key, but you can use their service without giving it to them)	[10:44]
fluffypony	I don't get keybase.io	[10:44]
fluffypony	what is it supposed to be?	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	you can verify sigs with the pubkey, you don;'t need the private	[10:44]
HeySteve	hell maybe I'll just blog this idea and see what happens	[10:44]
danielpbarron	fluffypony: it's kinda along these lines except without posting the contracts	[10:44]
fluffypony	so why do they need your privkey?	[10:45]
fluffypony	not need, want	[10:45]
danielpbarron	it lets you make a social media style profile in which you can link other profiles by posting GPG signed proof messages	[10:45]
fluffypony	oic	[10:45]
fluffypony	http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=spagni&op=index	[10:45]
ozbot	Search results for 'spagni'	[10:45]
fluffypony	there	[10:45]
fluffypony	keybase	[10:45]
fluffypony	:-P	[10:45]
danielpbarron	you can upload your priv key to them and use a password for future signings	[10:45]
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danielpbarron	that's not the same at all	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing.	[10:47]
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danielpbarron	keybase has you tweet from your twitter account, a special message containing a hash of a GPG signed statement of association	[10:47]
fluffypony	ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you	[10:48]
danielpbarron	which you could do yourself, but keybase is like a yellow pages of these associations	[10:48]
fluffypony	but that they can do with just the pubkey...?	[10:48]
danielpbarron	yeah they don't need the priv key	[10:48]
fluffypony	jar	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/ << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead.	[10:49]
danielpbarron	it's all done in your browser but it's still not safe since you have to trust the script served up isn't malicious	[10:49]
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danielpbarron	that's all only if you do it through the site, you can do the actual signing yourself without giving the site any private info	[10:50]
danielpbarron	that site is very pretty on my iPhone; this makes me distrust it	[10:51]
fluffypony	lol	[10:51]
fluffypony	responsive layouts aren't untrustworthy	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them	[10:51]
fluffypony	that's just CSS media queries	[10:51]
danielpbarron	i'm half kidding	[10:51]
HeySteve	it's the iphone itself which is the real risk	[10:52]
HeySteve	those things are backdoored to hell	[10:52]
danielpbarron	yeh, not happy with it overall	[10:53]
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fluffypony	I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive	[10:55]
fluffypony	the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing	[10:55]
danielpbarron	i don't even like mine for the non-sensitive things; it just sucks all-around	[10:56]
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fluffypony	meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake	[10:57]
danielpbarron	is that the nokia brick? I used that thing until it wouldn't charge anymore	[10:58]
fluffypony	lol	[10:58]
HeySteve	I'm still using a nokia brick :)	[10:58]
danielpbarron	i only got an iPhone because it's "free" if you're already on contract	[10:58]
danielpbarron	i kept using it even when the 3 key wouldn't work	[10:59]
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thestringpuller	oh look people in other continents	[11:04]
fluffypony	Africa reprezent	[11:05]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459966542122602496	[11:05]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/5L8gDU5pZq cc ...	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	anyone want to make bets as to who shows up first ?	[11:06]
fluffypony	jerbrightcove hasn't tweeted since 2013	[11:08]
fluffypony	so not him	[11:08]
fluffypony	I'm guessing Karl Grayh	[11:09]
fluffypony	*Gray	[11:09]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu I'm always surprised at how well educated you are on Hollywood.	[11:11]
thestringpuller	I guess I shouldn't be at this point.	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	i'm an educated young man, what.	[11:12]
thestringpuller	It's a great analogy you use between Bitcoin finance and Hollywood.	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony my bet's on neville.	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p	[11:14]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin." << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/kiwiiiduck/status/455360382748880896/photo/1/large	[11:26]
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thestringpuller	lel	[11:27]
Apocalyptic	lmao	[11:27]
fluffypony	heh	[11:27]
fluffypony	this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: http://imgur.com/a/uJ8Md	[11:27]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[11:29]
fluffypony	the pretty simile is my favourite	[11:30]
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mircea_popescu	heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	hold perpetual garage sales at "discounted" prices.	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	probably beats prostitution, especially if your two gfs are ugly.	[11:49]
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jurov	wut?	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	jurov garage sales. you know ?	[11:59]
punkman	do you have those in .ro?	[12:00]
punkman	seems like a US thing to me	[12:01]
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jurov	ah that i get it. need coffee	[12:01]
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joecool	punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R57PlZFAeM	[12:07]
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Naphex	garage sales!	[12:29]
Naphex	morning	[12:30]
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thestringpuller	hahaha wow	[12:34]
thestringpuller	i really can't believe i came back from smoking and read that	[12:34]
jurov	here it works in exactly opposite manner	[12:36]
jurov	gypsies drive around and annoy everyone with recorded messages:	[12:36]
punkman	they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap	[12:37]
jurov	Citizens! We buy old watches, pictures, scrap metal. Citizens, please make yourself heard!	[12:37]
thestringpuller	Citizens?	[12:37]
thestringpuller	curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ?	[12:38]
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jurov	he spent several years there	[12:42]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu: $5? tell him's dreamin'	[13:00]
cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk aussie classic heh	[13:01]
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fluffypony	has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing?	[13:29]
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fluffypony	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bytecoin	[13:30]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557322.0;all	[13:30]
ozbot	[BCN] Uncovering CryptoNote technology and Bytecoin BCN FAQ	[13:30]
fluffypony	apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block)	[13:31]
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fluffypony	but Tor only	[13:31]
fluffypony	and everyone just woke up to its existence	[13:31]
fluffypony	"everyone" by some definition of everyone	[13:31]
HeySteve	hmm interesting	[13:33]
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fluffypony	https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf	[13:34]
fluffypony	white paper	[13:34]
fluffypony	uses ring signatures	[13:35]
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mircea_popescu	punkman they dun exist in .ro no	[13:51]
Vexual	hi mircea	[13:51]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony apparently, only you	[13:52]
fluffypony	:-P	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, Vexual is back ?	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	how was rehab!	[13:53]
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mircea_popescu	Q: What is CryptoNote technology?	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	sometimes i wonder what people think words mean.	[13:54]
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Vexual	:) okay. how was your party?	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	not bad! airbnb kept us 1 hour on hold	[13:54]
Vexual	conference	[13:54]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over	[13:58]
fluffypony	rias?	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	ya	[13:59]
fluffypony	oh the dude that did that thread	[13:59]
fluffypony	[12:59:30] Rias signed on at 08 April 2014 at 12:27:14 PM SAST and has been idle for 1 week, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 48 seconds	[14:00]
fluffypony	he just compiled the info	[14:00]
fluffypony	"This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links."	[14:00]
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Vexual	whats cryptonaot? ive got 2 months or reading to do	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can assbot invite rias plox	[14:01]
fluffypony	I message'd him	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	a ty	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	"We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical “memory-saver” should increase his calculation speed exponentially."	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	this seems unsound.	[14:02]
fluffypony	similar to scrypt-n, with that the n-factor is based on the previous block	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	yeah. this'll never work.	[14:02]
Vexual	how many sha 256 computers are there?	[14:03]
fluffypony	https://bytecoin.org/whitepaper.pdf	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	what;s a sha 256 computer ?	[14:04]
fluffypony	Vexual: you mean SHA-256 ASICs	[14:04]
fluffypony	?	[14:04]
Vexual	is stuff with names like dragon you get off aliexpress	[14:04]
Vexual	whats altcoin diff?	[14:04]
fluffypony	AliExpress is a nice way to overpay for something and spend 3 months waiting for it	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it.	[14:05]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I just heard about it today	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	Vexual apparently it exploded after conf	[14:05]
fluffypony	so I don't know enough to form an opinion yet	[14:06]
Vexual	were you making it rain altcoin?	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	nop	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	hum, did blockr.io take off altcoin ?!	[14:08]
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fluffypony	nope	[14:09]
fluffypony	http://atc.blockr.io	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61	[14:09]
Vexual	thats a big jump	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	iirc it was dropping towards 50k in march	[14:10]
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Vexual	that makes me feel good about unspent 3xx blox	[14:11]
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mircea_popescu	Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	its diff graph hasn't become monotonous yet.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	29571 block	[14:13]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0	[14:13]
ozbot	Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube	[14:13]
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Vexual	ty	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	Dogecoin 1.6 Download ~ MANDATORY Update	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY	[14:16]
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peterl	hi all	[14:19]
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mircea_popescu	heya	[14:21]
punkman	I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me	[14:23]
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punkman	paypal chargeback!	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	ew	[14:24]
fluffypony	punkman: where'd you rent?	[14:24]
punkman	some random guy on ebay	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	wait, you paid, how'd he chargeback you	[14:24]
punkman	I will chargeback him	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	a a	[14:24]
punkman	because it's been like a month	[14:24]
fluffypony	ah ok	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	did he at least entertain you periodically with stories ?	[14:25]
punkman	nah	[14:26]
cazalla	indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital	[14:26]
fluffypony	moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears	[14:26]
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mircea_popescu	a cookieoff!	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony what does she do btw ? homemaking ?	[14:28]
fluffypony	lol no, she'd rather die	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	awww	[14:29]
fluffypony	she runs two of the business units in the group - salonsupplystore.co.za and sexybikinis.co.za	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[14:29]
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mircea_popescu	http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/	[14:30]
ozbot	The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE.	[14:32]
fluffypony	what is the mises circle? investor group?	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony nah, some academia derps who'd like to you know, matter.	[14:32]
fluffypony	lol	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot.	[14:32]
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mircea_popescu	The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Niño, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	basically a student newspaper.	[14:33]
fluffypony	LOL	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmGF30fCIAAAmYt.jpg	[14:34]
pankkake	I fail to see what's wrong with the article	[14:35]
pankkake	though it's only obvious things	[14:35]
pankkake	obvious isn't exactly obvious for altcoiners	[14:36]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	it's not unlike to german heer derping about how tanks will make infantry obsolete.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	that can't happen. a tank needs cover.	[14:37]
pankkake	they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity.	[14:38]
pankkake	what does that even mean?	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, basically that entire article is a poor rewrite of trilema material, by people who aren't quite smart enough or informed enough to be doing it.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	cheifly, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/	[14:41]
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peterl	simple thermodynamics: altcoins exist, so some non-zero value must be in them.	[14:43]
pankkake	…	[14:44]
fluffypony	pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?	[14:44]
pankkake	what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks	[14:45]
fluffypony	ok so	[14:45]
pankkake	I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today	[14:45]
fluffypony	people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store	[14:45]
fluffypony	physical store	[14:45]
fluffypony	and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations"	[14:45]
pankkake	please…	[14:45]
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fluffypony	exactly	[14:46]
fluffypony	lol	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks << no, i was discussing in general.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	ltc is not a simple fork	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin"	[14:47]
fluffypony	lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.980	[14:49]
fluffypony	"Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint."	[14:50]
fluffypony	"Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint"	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	romania has a gubmint ?!	[14:50]
fluffypony	apparently	[14:51]
fluffypony	and you're their plant	[14:51]
fluffypony	to manipulatez the cryptoz	[14:51]
fluffypony	clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	hey, i guess romania wins then.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other “nigga”.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	i do confess this always strikes me as quite amusing.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!"	[14:53]
fluffypony	I can see Justin Timberlake doing that	[14:53]
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mircea_popescu	did pankkake ragequit !?	[14:55]
fluffypony	yes	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	but...why	[14:56]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19] <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today"	[15:01]
fluffypony	that's why	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	uh	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	dude that wasn't so much of a try.	[15:01]
kakobrekla	such hate.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	well if anyone wants to pick it up...	[15:03]
fluffypony	ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get	[15:04]
fluffypony	more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	definitely will be some like that.	[15:05]
fluffypony	what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu?	[15:05]
thestringpuller	pls deposit 1000 trilema credits for answer	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:07]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.	[15:07]
fluffypony	I have enough to cover it	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ?	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	i don't like obvious scams, a la doge / aurora / keisercoin / what have you	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative.	[15:07]
fluffypony	yeah	[15:07]
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peterl	now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager?	[15:15]
HeySteve	bobby lee has been proposed for "election" to bitcoin foundation board	[15:16]
HeySteve	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/916-industry-candidate-bobby-lee/	[15:16]
peterl	who's bobby lee?	[15:16]
HeySteve	god they're still going on about redlisting	[15:16]
HeySteve	head of BTC China	[15:16]
fluffypony	peterl: from BTC-China	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	peterl jurov, was announced yest	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	wasn't btc banned in china ?	[15:19]
peterl	several times	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	even if it is pretty cheap.	[15:19]
bounce	somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	afaik bobby lee is a comedian, but anyway.	[15:20]
bounce	well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter.	[15:21]
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HeySteve	on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism	[15:23]
HeySteve	*it'd	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	bounce i put an order in.	[15:24]
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kakobrekla	morning lolz	[15:31]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6405427#msg6405427	[15:31]
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HeySteve	“Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.”	[15:51]
HeySteve	wow plz gief 1st escrow service ever	[15:51]
HeySteve	dunno if anyone heard of these comtracks either?	[15:52]
HeySteve	http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/53447/newnote-financial-pioneering-crypto-currency-transactions-as-online-currencies-set-to-change-the-face-of-money-53447.html	[15:52]
ozbot	Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa	[15:52]
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fluffypony	kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!	[16:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]	[16:00]
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fluffypony	HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs?	[16:01]
fluffypony	why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?	[16:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2}	[16:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]	[16:01]
kakobrekla	i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them	[16:01]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: lol	[16:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.042 = 0.462 BTC [-] {3}	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	bounce ask and ye shall receive :	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/	[16:05]
ozbot	Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:05]
HeySteve	nice, now we need the t-shirt	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve no way, moar innovative first ever etc ?	[16:06]
kakobrekla	t shirt should say "the first, the biggest, the best." nubbins` go!	[16:06]
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HeySteve	I think I'm just noticing too many Bitcoin people talk like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. CryptoAIDS, etc.	[16:07]
kakobrekla	;;google gavin belson	[16:07]
gribble	Gavin Belson: Bio l Silicon Valley l HBO - HBO.com: ; 'Silicon Valley' review: Definitely a start-up to watch \| NJ.com: ; Mike Judge's Uncanny Silicon Valley \| TechCrunch: (1 more message)	[16:07]
kakobrekla	what is this even	[16:08]
HeySteve	it's a TV show about a startup in silicon valley	[16:09]
HeySteve	it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode	[16:09]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728×90.png is brokened	[16:10]
fluffypony	so is the 468x60	[16:11]
kakobrekla	that banner is hurting eyes	[16:11]
HeySteve	<+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess	[16:13]
fluffypony	smart	[16:13]
fluffypony	drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle"	[16:13]
HeySteve	well mind you they're in canada	[16:13]
fluffypony	CannaBit 2.0	[16:13]
HeySteve	some places that's legal there, so who knows	[16:13]
kakobrekla	take t his http://i.imgur.com/0WZIZv8.png and change "Platinum" to "Anti" or something	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	and now, for the actual article i was writing : http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	you gotta see this movie.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony looking into ty	[16:14]
kakobrekla	that i would put on #b-a.com	[16:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]	[16:14]
HeySteve	"Platiscam"	[16:14]
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mircea_popescu	-468×60.png	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	ffs.	[16:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony pls to check nao ?	[16:18]
fluffypony	ok	[16:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00020918 = 0.2092 BTC [-]	[16:18]
fluffypony	she's alive!	[16:19]
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mircea_popescu	which is your blog again ?	[16:19]
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fluffypony	blog.spagni.net	[16:20]
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mircea_popescu	i think it's still broked	[16:21]
fluffypony	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728x90.png	[16:22]
fluffypony	works	[16:22]
fluffypony	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-468x60.png	[16:22]
fluffypony	works as well	[16:22]
moiety	aftermewn :D	[16:22]
fluffypony	moiety of the cookie factory!	[16:22]
moiety	moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online.	[16:22]
moiety	o there you are	[16:22]
moiety	lol	[16:23]
fluffypony	moiety: she made choc chip cookies	[16:23]
fluffypony	I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly	[16:23]
fluffypony	but delicious	[16:23]
jurov	remind me to the banner my ex-boss has put on the building	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-99331 << added you to teh list	[16:23]
ozbot	People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up SatoshiJack	[16:24]
assbot	Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.	[16:24]
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jurov	"This project was not funded by Europen Union"	[16:24]
moiety	[...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov lol	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	moiety you made what work!	[16:24]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: cool tks	[16:24]
moiety	fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation	[16:25]
HeySteve	mircea_popescu, I have an article coming up you can add also	[16:25]
moiety	mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P)	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve link it	[16:26]
HeySteve	mentions #bitcoin-assets and has some quotes here about that f2f thing	[16:26]
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moiety	Brownies!!! Warm right after bakerage! http://i.imgur.com/HHRZSSR.jpg	[16:26]
HeySteve	I will, just waiting on publishing queue	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve the list is you know, of bitcoin/personal blogs maintained by the locals	[16:26]
SatoshiJack	We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	moiety you got any atc /	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	?	[16:27]
moiety	no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something	[16:27]
moiety	i dont have any alts at all for personal use	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[16:27]
moiety	for why?	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains.	[16:28]
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mircea_popescu	SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online.	[16:29]
HeySteve	mircea_popescu ok it's not my personal blog, there's other people there too	[16:29]
moiety	oh its atc? i thought it was alts in general	[16:29]
HeySteve	but it's always about bitcoin stuff	[16:29]
SatoshiJack	no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :)	[16:29]
moiety	im hideously unlucky, i'm not risking losing anything for you!	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	moiety hit it baby.	[16:29]
SatoshiJack	loan = give in this place	[16:29]
fluffypony	http://spagni.net/images/bf-scam-250x250.png	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony add it as a comment ?	[16:30]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions	[16:30]
jurov	SatoshiJack: 1HgZrzrURJkGCQGeY23NzXGRRALdT9qfeX	[16:32]
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moiety	who wrote this thing?	[16:32]
moiety	Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol	[16:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [-] {2}	[16:38]
moiety	what site is this we are talking about re atc anyways	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	satoshijack.com	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino.	[16:39]
Apocalyptic	o.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	if you're still maintaining that thread or w/e	[16:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00095107 = 15.0745 BTC [+]	[16:45]
HeySteve	do you guys think it's useful to have a special wallet that automatically divides payments up into apportioned shares to a bunch of wallets it sends on to?	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	useful for what ?	[16:46]
HeySteve	I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	well if you don't know what for, it can't possibly be useful	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery	[16:50]
moiety	urgh QTs do not like me... ever	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	davout https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFHv-LCMAAnyw2.png	[16:51]
HeySteve	ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust)	[16:51]
fluffypony	you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmJQEVMCIAAKe8h.png << apparently people break up in spring.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	hence "spring break"	[16:52]
fluffypony	lol - will.je.suis	[16:52]
Azelphur	!up CheckDavid	[16:52]
assbot	Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.	[16:52]
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fluffypony	HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem	[16:53]
Apocalyptic	how is it the solution ?	[16:53]
fluffypony	Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet	[16:53]
fluffypony	or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die	[16:54]
Apocalyptic	i think this is not the model he wants to achieve	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure.	[16:54]
Apocalyptic	without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins	[16:54]
Apocalyptic	irrespective of what the other do (or rather do not) sign	[16:55]
jurov	HeySteve: mining pools do it since forever, no?	[16:55]
Apocalyptic	" instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it,"	[16:56]
Apocalyptic	except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik	[16:56]
HeySteve	jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use	[16:56]
HeySteve	I will know more when the guy publishes it	[16:56]
jurov	it depends what is the income from	[16:57]
HeySteve	don't have much more detail at this point	[16:57]
HeySteve	if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg.	[16:58]
CheckDavid	How does one become trusted by assbot ?	[17:00]
CheckDavid	Like. Directly?	[17:00]
CheckDavid	Is it controlled by the creator?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ?	[17:01]
CheckDavid	Pure curiosity	[17:01]
fluffypony	CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[17:01]
fluffypony	you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust	[17:02]
CheckDavid	I know	[17:02]
moiety	lol "spring clean" breakups. probably bitter chicks that got nothing on valentines day.	[17:02]
jurov	he asks how to get into direct trust with assbot	[17:02]
fluffypony	CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to	[17:02]
CheckDavid	:)	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed.	[17:03]
CheckDavid	I see.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	moiety nothing like no nookie or like no cookie ?	[17:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [-]	[17:05]
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moiety	lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything	[17:05]
kakobrekla	basically it works on bribes atm.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	moiety wow.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	omg kakobrekla selling dignities	[17:06]
kakobrekla	church said is ok.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	you know that means we eat you right ?	[17:07]
kakobrekla	you know im not going to the next conf right ?	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	aw come on!	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	eleventy	[17:07]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla needs amphibious car	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ?	[17:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 1900 Can build a bridge... 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery << lolll!	[17:09]
CheckDavid	So if someone has l2 trust relative to assbot	[17:10]
CheckDavid	And adds someone to their trust list	[17:10]
CheckDavid	That someone is l3 ?	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	i guess i lose weight.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid yes	[17:10]
peterl	CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself	[17:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu Gödelian diet	[17:11]
jurov	inb4 mircea_popescu orders soylent	[17:11]
fluffypony	I like NotLambChop	[17:11]
CheckDavid	So only those who have l1 can afford l2 trust to someone	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid yes	[17:11]
CheckDavid	:o	[17:11]
jadne	jborkl_ jespern Jezzz jMyles joecool joesmoe JoshG julles jurov justusranvier	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is it ? srsly ? jurov nah, i could have boobmilk but meh. too sweet.	[17:11]
peterl	mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	i do	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	too lazy to fucking chew	[17:12]
moiety	mircea_popescu: do we have to get you a usb toaster?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	i have almonds walnuts hazels bananas oranges apples and etfc.	[17:13]
jurov	moiety how'd that help with chewing?	[17:13]
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moiety	i just read that bit	[17:13]
moiety	usb blender?	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	i also have various cakes, and milk	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself	[17:13]
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peterl	you need some IV nutrients?	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	i'll just ride it out, see what happens.	[17:14]
moiety	i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	wait, you're an actual cow ?!	[17:14]
moiety	moooo :D	[17:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i have a stack of hand made pralines, those count ?	[17:15]
asciilifeform	nah pralines are tasty	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/36033ac327aad7f5394f98f388a08d0c/tumblr_n301tyDIx51spqhnio1_500.jpg	[17:16]
asciilifeform	lol	[17:18]
fluffypony	over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer	[17:18]
fluffypony	it's like a loaf of bread	[17:18]
fluffypony	but without chewing	[17:18]
moiety	dude my eyes D;	[17:18]
peterl	only if it is good beer	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	moiety what, she's got great teats.	[17:18]
moiety	guiness is like a meal. i can't handle it	[17:19]
moiety	she has udders mircea_popescu	[17:19]
fluffypony	moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :)	[17:19]
kakobrekla	kakobrekla needs amphibious car <- is this some weird rehash of golf cart joke ?	[17:19]
moiety	fluffypony: half a pint and i feel like i have drunk bricks	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	Age: 23, Height: 5ft 5in (165 cm), Weight: 317 lbs.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	this must be a misprint	[17:19]
moiety	you get a funny moustache though :{D	[17:20]
fluffypony	moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine	[17:20]
kakobrekla	;;google midgets of patagonia	[17:20]
gribble	Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: ; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: ; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube:	[17:20]
moiety	no but makes me look a bit pregnant which doesn't go down so well in a drinking situation fluffypony XD	[17:21]
fluffypony	lol	[17:21]
asciilifeform	moiety should go to next meetup, pet colocolos	[17:21]
kakobrekla	those dont seem to famous mircea_popescu .	[17:22]
asciilifeform	then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul	[17:22]
kakobrekla	too*	[17:22]
moiety	totally tastes heavy too .. just urgh. craft ipa's ftw!	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ?	[17:22]
moiety	re conf : i was so jealous of your pics! looked fun D;	[17:22]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, you ever did a black woman ? how about a creole woman ? how about etc.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	gotta live to shit on each continent, i say.	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	i did europe, africa and asia so far... north and i guess central america.	[17:23]
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*	moiety version - live to pet a native cat on each continent*	[17:24]
kakobrekla	i dunno, the next continent i would hope would be on another planet	[17:24]
kakobrekla	i visit*	[17:24]
moiety	kakobrekla: have you applied to mars one?	[17:24]
kakobrekla	put it together.	[17:24]
asciilifeform	hard to pet native cat in... australia	[17:24]
kakobrekla	moiety lets have the waters tested first.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	;;google australia native kitten	[17:25]
gribble	Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: ; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA:	[17:25]
moiety	i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform	[17:25]
jurov	antarctica?	[17:25]
moiety	now wait .. i think there is something there jurov	[17:25]
jurov	but i guess moiety'll gladly accept a penguin instead	[17:25]
moiety	i may be thinking of a fox but hang on	[17:26]
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moiety	and yes, entirely true jurov	[17:26]
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asciilifeform	;;google true penguin	[17:26]
gribble	Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts \| Animal-Free Entertainment ...: ; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: ; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message)	[17:26]
asciilifeform	;;google true penguin extinct	[17:26]
gribble	True Penguins Are All Extinct - KnowledgeNuts: ; Pikas, Polar Bears, Penguins Go Extinct \| Real Science: ; Are penguins extinct - Wiki Answers:	[17:26]
kakobrekla	yeah well 99% or so of all species ever existed are gone	[17:27]
moiety	yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html	[17:28]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: sub << http://www.grawsome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sleeping-Walrus-2.jpg	[17:29]
kakobrekla	is he gonna bill him for wrong parking or what	[17:30]
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asciilifeform	http://usvsth3m.com/post/56329159173/sleepy-walrus-on-a-russian-submarine	[17:30]
ozbot	Sleepy walrus on a Russian submarine - Us Vs Th3m	[17:31]
asciilifeform	'comrade walrus is ready for Captain’s table'	[17:31]
asciilifeform	sub's gonna need wheels, so we can pick up mp	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	fuck you, i'm a dragon.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	i fly.	[17:32]
asciilifeform	lol, then we've got our ride.	[17:32]
kakobrekla	i thought the lions always wins	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	a manticore is kinda like a lion-dragon	[17:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18496 @ 0.00094668 = 17.5098 BTC [-]	[17:39]
asciilifeform	what's an old uboat cost, anyway.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	;;google alibaba old uboat	[17:40]
gribble	Poznań - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Popular U Boat Xxi \| Aliexpress: ; Used Kayak, Used Kayak Products, Used Kayak ... - Alibaba.com:	[17:41]
asciilifeform	fund with miners (seawater cooling)	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	diesel elec is expensive.	[17:41]
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*	asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat	[17:43]
fluffypony	that's not bad, $28 - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Alice-papermodel-WWII-German-U-Boat-model-U-BOOT-XXI-submarine-model-ship-model-military/343765571.html	[17:43]
asciilifeform	well, post-1920	[17:43]
fluffypony	:-P	[17:43]
*	jurov wonders abut range on batteries	[17:44]
fluffypony	I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model	[17:44]
fluffypony	was so messy	[17:44]
asciilifeform	incidentally, interesting historical figure, largely unknown in english world - captain marinesko.	[17:45]
peterl	use nuclear powered sumarine to power miners?	[17:45]
asciilifeform	peterl: i suggested this once. free electric, cooling.	[17:45]
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jurov	http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2008/April/Pages/AntiSub2301.aspx they quote $200-300mil	[17:46]
asciilifeform	jurov: about same cost as a three-story office in palo alto.	[17:47]
jurov	or on cyprus lol...maybe danny bought one	[17:47]
moiety	fuck you, i'm a dragon. << lol please bash this	[17:47]
kakobrekla	moiety , time to learn how to bash	[17:48]
moiety	i did before! i wasnt accepted D;	[17:48]
kakobrekla	blame it on the mods	[17:48]
Apocalyptic	he means blame it on kako	[17:49]
jurov	there are other mods	[17:49]
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kakobrekla	kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	haha	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[17:50]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1798684/plain/)	[17:50]
Apocalyptic	there are other mods // I know	[17:50]
moiety	ok im pending	[17:50]
moiety	damn, the way you did it is a bit easier	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is he that romanian dude that sunk a german ship ?	[17:52]
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bounce	ukrainian with a romanian sailor for a dad	[17:53]
HeySteve	lol is this where the Crimea bet comes from? http://games.usvsth3m.com/the-hobbit/title/2:%20Electric%20Boogaloo	[17:54]
fluffypony	http://imgur.com/a/KDwtE	[17:54]
ozbot	How China Sinks Bitcoin - South Park Style - Imgur	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ?	[17:54]
bounce	``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma	[17:55]
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bounce	born there, so, depends on the various laws involved	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading.	[17:57]
fluffypony	and also a place in Texas	[17:57]
bounce	filthy texan name stealers	[17:58]
fluffypony	I only know that from watching Heroes	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	(the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars)	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	before that greek, of course.	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum	[18:03]
bounce	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Marinesko -- lots of drama	[18:03]
ozbot	Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	however http://therealaltcoin.org/ seems to be down for some ungodly reason	[18:03]
HeySteve	http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/we-will-nationalise-oceans-eff-1.1590460#.U1vIdXV50Y4	[18:04]
ozbot	We will nationalise oceans - EFF - Politics \| IOL News \| IOL.co.za	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting...	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	the electronic frontier foundation ?!	[18:05]
jurov	ThickAsThieves: how much did you pay for hosting?	[18:05]
bounce	"economic freedom fighters", proposing to "mine" the oceans and free them from fish!	[18:05]
HeySteve	our intellectual aristocracy in full roar	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	jurov i dunno, i think it's a namecheap package	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	“If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	how true is that ?	[18:06]
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bounce	so true, totally. because, capitalists are like, companies and shit.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	“They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.”	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	bounce well if it's true then the quotas have to go.	[18:07]
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bounce	I'm reminded of that "computers are racist" thing	[18:07]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you	[18:09]
bounce	those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit.	[18:09]
fluffypony	thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys	[18:10]
bounce	so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	but you can feed yourself.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	suddenly you don't need zoning laws anymore.	[18:12]
moiety	ThickAsThieves: do i have to make my own config file for atc? im not an alt person at all	[18:12]
bounce	it'd be a neat idea if it worked. but now we have a million fishermen fishing for delivery to bigger companies. oversight goes down, quality of fish goes down, loss goes up, total fishing goes up	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	ok site works now	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	dunno what was up	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	i just logged in	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish.	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	moiety you'll probably wanna use a pool	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	there are two i know of	[18:13]
moiety	i just want to qt to sync	[18:13]
bounce	"corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot.	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	oh you need a node then	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	we have a channel #altcoin	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	bounce sure. no tax on either these classes.	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	and pankakke is better at support than me, i'll look at my config though	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118	[18:14]
moiety	ty!	[18:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00094636 = 16.8925 BTC [-] {2}	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	ty!	[18:14]
bounce	interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	bounce unless it's a person run restaurant.	[18:17]
bounce	so now the cook and the maitre'd are no longer working for the same boss	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	restricting access to essentials would allow a softer transition.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant	[18:17]
bounce	but this is cape town, where western style business has been around for how long?	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	they just try to get enough food on the table.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	you mean around among whites ?	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	afaik (and i have no clue, so don't be shy in disabusing me of false notions) it never happened among black people.	[18:18]
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bounce	this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	should go the other way	[18:19]
*	fluffypony reads up	[18:19]
bounce	that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up	[18:20]
fluffypony	tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town	[18:20]
fluffypony	they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	more than say about 15% ?	[18:21]
fluffypony	and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught	[18:21]
decimation	re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun	[18:22]
fluffypony	there are a number of fishing communities like that	[18:22]
decimation	Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not	[18:22]
bounce	so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	decimation exactly my point.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and tax attorney have a gun llc	[18:23]
fluffypony	sorry internet died	[18:23]
fluffypony	well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits	[18:23]
decimation	or a trust	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	SatoshiJack.com Casino link added to therealaltcoin.org, thread updated as well!	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	decimation yeah that gets into various local details. same principle tho.	[18:23]
bounce	"rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite	[18:24]
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mircea_popescu	that doesn't work afaik	[18:24]
decimation	in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all	[18:24]
decimation	so, you and your son want to plink with .22 but don't want to blow out ears: must form gun corp	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do.	[18:25]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: you become friends with them	[18:25]
fluffypony	you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish	[18:25]
fluffypony	they seem reasonably content	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	i get the concept	[18:26]
bounce	might ask them what they think about this "eff" bunch and their position	[18:26]
fluffypony	the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter	[18:26]
fluffypony	like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid.	[18:26]
bounce	it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric	[18:26]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: it goes further though	[18:26]
fluffypony	because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class	[18:27]
fluffypony	was to enforce BEE rules	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	no idea what bee is	[18:27]
fluffypony	Black Economic Empowerment	[18:27]
fluffypony	affirmative action	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	you mean that nut that took over rhodesia ?	[18:27]
fluffypony	so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated	[18:27]
bounce	how's the schooling situation now then?	[18:28]
fluffypony	for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.	[18:28]
fluffypony	government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant	[18:28]
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fluffypony	he took his gardener on as a business partner	[18:28]
fluffypony	and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents	[18:28]
fluffypony	gardener gets a nice salary	[18:29]
fluffypony	but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest	[18:29]
fluffypony	and wants to "manage" and get more money	[18:29]
fluffypony	which leads to the company imploding, obviously	[18:29]
decimation	what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business?	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film	[18:29]
fluffypony	decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"	[18:30]
fluffypony	which is what it's done	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority	[18:30]
fluffypony	black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance	[18:30]
decimation	well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority	[18:30]
decimation	instead of creating apocolypse now	[18:30]
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fluffypony	and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard	[18:31]
fluffypony	it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy	[18:31]
decimation	yeah the blacks willing to make something themselves are probably the most screwed	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	basically it tries for a saudi arabia	[18:31]
decimation	just like in the US	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	except instead of oil... it's suckers.	[18:31]
fluffypony	also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time.	[18:32]
fluffypony	I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff	[18:32]
decimation	absolutely. SA is now living the American dream	[18:32]
fluffypony	so then you have a brain-drain situation	[18:32]
fluffypony	where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"	[18:32]
decimation	just like Rhodesia, Congo, etc	[18:32]
decimation	Liberia was the old American dream	[18:33]
fluffypony	and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	basically... they've got africa back to 1700.	[18:33]
fluffypony	so government healthcare just gets progressively worse	[18:33]
fluffypony	lol	[18:33]
decimation	they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	gotta buy them from the tribe chieftain.	[18:34]
decimation	true; those with that gumption are already gone	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	easier, faster, less gab.	[18:34]
fluffypony	it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.	[18:34]
fluffypony	(mixed black/white/coloured etc.)	[18:34]
fluffypony	so I think the over-correction is normalising	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out	[18:35]
fluffypony	and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country	[18:35]
fluffypony	yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot	[18:35]
fluffypony	assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie.	[18:36]
fluffypony	yes - the book is also excellent	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	how accurate would you say the backdrop is ?	[18:38]
fluffypony	pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)	[18:40]
bounce	heh. you should like a saudi arabia of suckers. high quality chumpatron at state level.	[18:40]
decimation	re: black fat cats in SA: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10510455/Nelson-Mandela-memorial-interpreter-was-a-fake.html	[18:41]
bounce	farmers typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00094751 = 21.319 BTC [+] {2}	[18:41]
decimation	my favorite SA movie: Zulu	[18:41]
fluffypony	bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well...	[18:42]
fluffypony	by the time the police arrive it's all over	[18:42]
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bounce	hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally?	[18:44]
fluffypony	bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space	[18:45]
fluffypony	what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers	[18:45]
fluffypony	at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)	[18:45]
fluffypony	then they portion it up	[18:46]
fluffypony	and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves	[18:46]
fluffypony	and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc.	[18:46]
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fluffypony	plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys	[18:46]
fluffypony	the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots	[18:48]
fluffypony	sorry traffic lights, we call them robots	[18:48]
fluffypony	or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny	[18:49]
fluffypony	and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[18:49]
decimation	well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	ie, send them to work camps	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	it'll look a little nazi in sa.	[18:50]
fluffypony	decimation: yes - politicians PROMISED them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise	[18:51]
kakobrekla	logs arent the magic cure	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	i bet you they are.	[18:51]
fluffypony	and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid.	[18:51]
kakobrekla	xapo.	[18:51]
kakobrekla	now pay up	[18:51]
fluffypony	lawl xapo	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	in fact, no WC in the world would be as close.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	ooops i mean vc.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla how does xapo disprove anything ?	[18:52]
kakobrekla	im pretty sure i dont have to explain it.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	is your thesis that wences has been reading the logs or what ?	[18:53]
kakobrekla	more or less	[18:53]
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kakobrekla	befre he left ofc	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	;;seen wences	[18:54]
gribble	wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: mircea, are you here?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	1 year ago this chan was not 1 year old.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	he was here for a little bit, but it was weeks really iirc.	[18:54]
kakobrekla	so you are saying like one should read the new testament and not the old :D	[18:55]
bounce	"gaining IQ by reading", huh. magic!	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	all this aside : the guy made lemon and sold it out. then is making xapo	[18:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	this does not compare to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	bounce it's a fact. there's 30 to 35 iq points buried in there.	[18:55]
kakobrekla	myea arite	[18:56]
bounce	anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/04EQtM6.gif	[18:56]
bounce	(don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!)	[18:56]
*	fluffypony ponders	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	bounce it just tapers out	[18:56]
bounce	that thing with the land giveaway, worked well enough for those in the program then?	[18:57]
fluffypony	bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	epic	[18:57]
fluffypony	but generally speaking it's working ok	[18:57]
fluffypony	but those guys that want to work hard are the minority	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	your words shock me.	[18:58]
fluffypony	I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	with the men wanting to talk loudly.	[19:00]
fluffypony	very true	[19:00]
bounce	to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough sigh)	[19:00]
fluffypony	lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.60965290 BTC to 7`243 shares, 36030 satoshi per share	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	<+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch /// check out my new footer logo! http://devilsadvocate.biz/	[19:04]
fluffypony	lol	[19:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]	[19:08]
bounce	:)	[19:10]
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fluffypony	benkay: werd	[19:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]	[19:11]
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decimation	re: democracy encouraging laziness: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/americas-crisis-of-political-legitimacy "	[19:12]
decimation	In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them.	[19:12]
benkay	what's that, fluffypony ?	[19:13]
fluffypony	benkay: it's like word but with an e	[19:14]
fluffypony	:-P	[19:14]
benkay	i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me.	[19:15]
benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised thank you	[19:15]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:15]
fluffypony	benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :)	[19:16]
benkay	that man reads far too closely	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	i saw it too, but i was on my tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;)	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	half*	[19:17]
jurov	you sleep on your tablet?	[19:19]
kakobrekla	its actually a book	[19:20]
jurov	yes i saw..not very good pillow either	[19:20]
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benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one.	[19:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:20]
kakobrekla	meh, nothing to read on the forum	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	i broke the book cover btw	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	dropped it off a chair and now a piece chipped off	[19:21]
kakobrekla	im out of excuses not to do work nao	[19:21]
kakobrekla	yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole.	[19:22]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the trilema article too ?	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	ah what now?	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/#comment-99332	[19:28]
ozbot	Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[19:28]
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ThickAsThieves	ah	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	put a link to your banner in comment section	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	open source hatebanner resoruce.	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	done	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	why ty.	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	no ty	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	not your fault	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	just sayin	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be that you just... never knew.	[19:32]
thestringpuller	oh nice anti-bitcoin foundation	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	it's a big problem	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	not just something that can be resolved in a moment	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	clearly.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	and for most people... Too Big To Solve.	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	well that's just it, it's like deciding to get a sex change or some shit	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	an apt analogy huh.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it is.	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	yep exactly like it on so many levels	[19:34]
thestringpuller	except moving from your home doesn't you know isn't irreversible	[19:35]
thestringpuller	-doesn't*	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	well you can split hairs	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	but it really is upheaval, expense, it affects everyone you care about	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[19:36]
decimation	the time away from home is irretrievable	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	and if you do it right, it is not reversible	[19:36]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: you got kids	[19:36]
thestringpuller	?*	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	not yet	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	also a factor though	[19:37]
thestringpuller	then how deep can your roots really go?	[19:37]
thestringpuller	also why not spread seeds everywhere	[19:37]
thestringpuller	own property international...	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	well i have a wife, and we each have families	[19:37]
decimation	USG is not a fan of international property ownership	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	we have properties, businesses, careers	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	fuck, even have cats is an issue	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	having	[19:38]
decimation	http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Reminds-Those-with-Foreign-Assets-of-U.S.-Tax-Obligations	[19:38]
thestringpuller	"Perhaps if this had happened 10 years earlier."	[19:38]
ozbot	IRS Reminds Those with Foreign Assets of U.S. Tax Obligations	[19:38]
thestringpuller	I what this sounds like.	[19:38]
thestringpuller	Is*	[19:38]
decimation	corporations can be international though; that's cool	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	if i were single i'd be leaving already, sure	[19:39]
bounce	man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit.	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	that was 8 years ago	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	so sure	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	but 8 years ago i had nothing	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	a Jeep and a dream	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	8 years ago i had already just left my home state	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	10*	[19:40]
fluffypony	bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article	[19:43]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: so you when does TaTI go international?	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	those are some horrible banners indeed!	[19:43]
thestringpuller	damn I can't type today	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed,	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	is that TATI does not and cannot exist	[19:43]
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fluffypony	oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments	[19:44]
thestringpuller	Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean that it doesn't need to exist.	[19:44]
thestringpuller	You are merely a NOC agent in Bitcoin's war on fiat.	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist	[19:45]
thestringpuller	It's akin to being a spy in war time no? You technically can't exist, as a spy, thus you parade around like a normal individual.	[19:47]
thestringpuller	Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned...	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic	[19:48]
fluffypony	"The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”	[19:49]
fluffypony	- PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981	[19:49]
thestringpuller	how so?	[19:50]
HeySteve	fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted	[19:50]
fluffypony	HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.	[19:52]
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HeySteve	fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule	[19:56]
HeySteve	it wasn't total unfreedom previously, that would imply slavery	[19:56]
fluffypony	HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups	[20:00]
fluffypony	as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994	[20:01]
bounce	and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe	[20:02]
HeySteve	ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day	[20:02]
HeySteve	it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party	[20:03]
fluffypony	sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends	[20:03]
HeySteve	yeah. I would like to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P	[20:04]
fluffypony	lol	[20:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC	[20:05]
HeySteve	here's that F2F contract thing I mentioned earlier: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/one-simple-trick-secure-face-to-face-bitcoin-trades/2014/04/26	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. << aww!	[20:14]
HeySteve	I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	jewish speaking ? he means idish or hebrew ?	[20:15]
bounce	"jewish", you heard the man	[20:16]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true.	[20:16]
bounce	previously it was educated yet stupid white men doing stupid things. now, well, undereducated black people doing stupid things?	[20:17]
fluffypony	bounce: spot on	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	fundnation lol.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	moar like fudge-ation	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	"Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. "	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	i think this is actually quite brilliant. make it illegal to have a mob[ile vulgus]	[20:20]
bounce	before 1914 you could travel all of europe without much of any papers. now, you can be locally born and raised yet get thrown in alien detention for not carrying papers. I'd say it's currently true.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	co	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	communist romania had similar regulations. you couldn't just herpy-derp settle in town cause you felt like it.	[20:20]
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mircea_popescu	bounce that's not factually true.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	before 1914 when?	[20:21]
bounce	it's happened	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	period.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	before 1914 ie, after 1800, you could travel if you had a passeport.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	somewhat laxer, but still.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur.	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up jcorgan	[20:24]
assbot	Voicing jcorgan for 30 minutes.	[20:24]
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mircea_popescu	soo cex.io is doing this blogger.com spamblogs thing	[20:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12491 @ 0.00095118 = 11.8812 BTC [+] {2}	[20:28]
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ThickAsThieves	https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/260282/sr.-software-engineer---master-mint-diecaster%2c-amazon-coins/job?mobile=false&width=894&height=1200&bga=true&needsRedirect=false	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	"If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. "	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	Preferred Qualifications	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	Experience with web development (e.g. HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, AJAX)	[20:31]
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ThickAsThieves	:)	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.d90d.co/images/20643-gianna-michaels.gif	[20:31]
fluffypony	"Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "	[20:32]
fluffypony	well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	"We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar."	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	or, "We're feeling kinda fucked here, help!"	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	"650+ Search engine unique traffics by Google/Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/... for $1"	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge it’s members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media."	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah, totally. traffic is king.	[20:34]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	http://cexiomineritulfaraaparatura.blogspot.ro/ << i got 90 hits from this page past 24 hours.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	no link to trilema anywhere.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	very king.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	http://castigabitcoin.blogspot.com/ << same deal.	[20:35]
ozbot	Castiga Bitcoin fara sa cumperi aparatura fara sa folosesti calculatorul	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	it has that nice SEO speak too	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	"About CEX.io Mining for Bitcoin without equipment"	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	http://sartorandcompany.com/ < check that out	[20:36]
ozbot	Test Payday Loans Online to the Most Effective Approach to Borrow Dollars	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	somehow it sent 36 clicks to trilema. how ?	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	"buy traffic, set X domain as referer, hope noob webmaster actually links it somewhere"	[20:36]
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ThickAsThieves	weird, i'd say it was hidden by CSS or someshit, but it aint	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	http://clash-of-clans-hack-cheats-cheat.passionsofmyheart.com http://solidcheats.com/boom-beach-hack-tool/ http://solidcheats.com/samurai-siege-hack/ etc.	[20:37]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	one of the advantages of trilema : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it	[20:37]
fluffypony	I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	those 3 links above claim 14 clicks each. who's right here ? http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/ with 15	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	god it must suck.	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	http://metalgearsolidgroundzeroes.blogspot.com	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	http://madlensbrittles.com	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	last word is his!	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	check that shit out. it redirects to a ... cloudflare protected domain	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	someone "bought" "traffic", got ddosed, got cloudflare.	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://homeimprovementfinancing.meximas.com	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	http://krasotas24.ru/	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands.	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	such SEO	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	meh	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	mp, in case yer interested https://www.youtube.com/user/PAULanthonyROMERO	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	your favorite game composer has a youtube	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	dude shreds on piano	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	not sure he's my favourite, im too ignorant to know	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	but he sure rocks	[20:42]
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ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2mD77qwew	[20:42]
ozbot	Witajcie Poland Chris Smith's impossible dream of getting me into musical and muscle shape! - YouTu	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	him working out and piano training at once	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass."	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	well... that's exactly what they were neh	[20:45]
fluffypony	you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	5. “Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Union’s other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words ‘European’ and ‘non-European’ will be replaced by the words ‘Whites’ and ‘Non-Whites’ over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue — and the exit — by tending to use doors that seem to distin	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	guish them from people who originate from Europe.” — Cape Times, 19	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	those pesky muricans ruining perfectly reasonable nonsense!	[20:48]
fluffypony	ikr	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	7. “Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas — provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekor’s theatre division, told me this week.	[20:49]
decimation	Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic	[20:49]
decimation	activity that is suppressed because of special interest pressure." (from my link above)	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips	[20:49]
fluffypony	lol	[20:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	decimation i'd be surprised if 10% of us gdp is independent atm. it'd be mostly things like that cattle rancher guy.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	‘When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor,’ he said. ‘We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure — since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only — we decided that they should not look at the screen.”	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	wtf filmns were those i wonder ?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	Sunday Express, 1971	[20:50]
fluffypony	no clue	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	like what, felini's satyricon ?	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	the mack lol.	[20:52]
fluffypony	lol	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00094773 = 27.7211 BTC [-]	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	“I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. It’s just that we were the only two with university degrees.”	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	“At least I’ll be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge.” — Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeare’s play in South Africa	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha ok this one's great.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	“[An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC ‘banned’ songs. ‘We just don’t play them,’ he said.”	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	“People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They don’t realise that ideas are also a source of evil.”	[20:55]
decimation	of course ideas are a source of evil	[20:55]
decimation	the trouble is that any bureaucraticly crafted policy to suppress them will likely fail	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	the supreme source of all evil is the cunt.	[20:56]
decimation	or the germ cells?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	well this is enough history reading for an evening. ima go beat my slaves and smoke a pipe.	[20:57]
decimation	lol	[20:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00095011 = 8.5985 BTC [+]	[21:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4703 BTC [+]	[21:19]
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jurov	HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line?	[21:28]
jurov	!up xdotcomm_	[21:28]
assbot	Voicing xdotcomm_ for 30 minutes.	[21:28]
*	assbot gives voice to xdotcomm_	[21:28]
jurov	!up BingoBoingo	[21:28]
assbot	Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.	[21:28]
*	assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo	[21:28]
benkay	xdotcomm_ is back?	[21:30]
benkay	goodness.	[21:30]
xdotcomm_	benkay: yes!	[21:30]
xdotcomm_	did u miss me?	[21:30]
xdotcomm_	and my socks?	[21:30]
benkay	mnope.	[21:30]
HeySteve	jurov, I don't know how to link to the line, just the date	[21:31]
xdotcomm_	be honest ... i know you did	[21:31]
xdotcomm_	you miss the sock puppet show	[21:31]
HeySteve	if I can link to a line that's better	[21:31]
jurov	HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it	[21:31]
HeySteve	ok thx I will try	[21:31]
jurov	the time in the start of every line	[21:31]
HeySteve	ah ha	[21:32]
HeySteve	right I updated it	[21:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06922716 = 0.3461 BTC [+] {2}	[21:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095043 = 6.1778 BTC [+]	[21:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 460 @ 0.00084997 = 0.391 BTC [-] {4}	[21:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 440 @ 0.00084342 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4}	[21:52]
jurov	!up dignork	[21:54]
assbot	Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.	[21:54]
*	assbot gives voice to dignork	[21:54]
jurov	!up nubbins`	[21:54]
assbot	Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.	[21:54]
*	assbot gives voice to nubbins`	[21:54]
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artifexd	ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated.	[21:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0685 = 0.137 BTC [-]	[22:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}	[22:15]
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fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/2wuBhnU.jpg?1	[22:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0413034 = 0.1239 BTC [+] {3}	[22:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00095043 = 7.5198 BTC [+]	[22:47]
moiety	lolol fluffypony	[22:55]
moiety	http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/apr/25/tony-blair-cassetteboy-video-mashup-bloomberg-speech amyone seen this?	[22:55]
moiety	anyone*	[22:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03429 = 0.1715 BTC [+] {2}	[23:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0412 = 0.206 BTC [-] {2}	[23:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {2}	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6878 @ 0.00095031 = 6.5362 BTC [-] {2}	[23:08]
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fluffypony	!up prestonbanks	[23:10]
assbot	Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.	[23:10]
*	assbot gives voice to prestonbanks	[23:10]
fluffypony	sup prestonbanks	[23:10]
prestonbanks	sup fluffypony	[23:11]
prestonbanks	just read bitcoinpete's blog	[23:11]
fluffypony	two glasses of wine down, nom	[23:12]
prestonbanks	now im here	[23:12]
fluffypony	oic	[23:12]
fluffypony	which article?	[23:12]
prestonbanks	a lot of them	[23:13]
prestonbanks	going from one reference to the next	[23:13]
benkay	prestonbanks of fincen?	[23:13]
fluffypony	!seen bitcoinpete	[23:14]
prestonbanks	nope	[23:14]
fluffypony	;;seen bitcoinpete	[23:14]
gribble	bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: jurov: indeed, best of luck!	[23:14]
fluffypony	guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing	[23:14]
prestonbanks	how does he dare	[23:14]
fluffypony	OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude	[23:14]
fluffypony	lawlz	[23:14]
fluffypony	I thought you were he	[23:15]
prestonbanks	is that why i got voice so quickly?	[23:15]
prestonbanks	haha	[23:15]
fluffypony	pretty much	[23:15]
fluffypony	I got excited	[23:15]
kakobrekla	and !down ..	[23:15]
prestonbanks	finders keepers	[23:16]
fluffypony	prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway	[23:16]
prestonbanks	ah ok	[23:16]
prestonbanks	well i actually planned to follow bitcoinpete's advice	[23:16]
fluffypony	about not investing in MaidSafe?	[23:16]
fluffypony	:-P	[23:16]
prestonbanks	"shutting up and learning until you have something intelligent to say"	[23:16]
fluffypony	good advice	[23:17]
kakobrekla	and get in the wot	[23:17]
prestonbanks	avoiding maidsafe like the plague	[23:17]
fluffypony	^^	[23:17]
fluffypony	do you know how to register your nick?	[23:17]
prestonbanks	i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe	[23:17]
kakobrekla	ltb is shit.	[23:17]
prestonbanks	i will follow the instructions in the subject line to register my nick	[23:18]
prestonbanks	thx fluffy	[23:18]
fluffypony	prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email	[23:18]
fluffypony	and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password	[23:18]
prestonbanks	ok	[23:18]
fluffypony	in terms of the WoT	[23:18]
kakobrekla	registering nick != registering in the wot	[23:18]
fluffypony	start here: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	prestonbanks are you the guy with the blog that quoted MPEx's stance on the SEC?	[23:18]
fluffypony	but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick	[23:18]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	poo	[23:19]
fluffypony	I got super excited	[23:19]
kakobrekla	im not sure thats required	[23:19]
prestonbanks	i opened pandora's box without knowing	[23:19]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick	[23:19]
benkay	getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with	[23:19]
ThickAsThieves	no suh	[23:20]
ThickAsThieves	i learned in like 15min	[23:20]
benkay	backed up your master key?	[23:20]
prestonbanks	i should probably consider a different nick	[23:20]
benkay	made revocation certs?	[23:20]
prestonbanks	in case the fincen guy wants in	[23:20]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: ^^	[23:20]
fluffypony	lawl	[23:20]
benkay	tested your restoration process?	[23:20]
ThickAsThieves	ah no, i just mean getting it all to work	[23:21]
ThickAsThieves	if you wanna get in wot and get permavoice in here it isnt hard	[23:21]
ThickAsThieves	that leaves out nickserv auth reg too...	[23:21]
benkay	i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users.	[23:21]
prestonbanks	tomorrow is a sunday	[23:21]
prestonbanks	so it should be doable	[23:22]
benkay	and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways	[23:22]
kakobrekla	the notion of days is all wrong.	[23:22]
benkay	(fuckers bite, i hear)	[23:22]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me	[23:22]
prestonbanks	i hate those foldable manuals that are as big as a roadmap	[23:24]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister	[23:25]
*	kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual.	[23:26]
fluffypony	of cors	[23:26]
prestonbanks	all guys talking now are regulars around here?	[23:27]
fluffypony	or in assbot's Level 2 trust	[23:27]
fluffypony	which is the only requirement	[23:28]
prestonbanks	cool	[23:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2598 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4684 BTC [-]	[23:28]
prestonbanks	i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time	[23:28]
fluffypony	prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[23:29]
prestonbanks	thx	[23:29]
prestonbanks	i'll get to it tonight and tomorrow	[23:29]
prestonbanks	now enjoying my remaining minutes of voice	[23:30]
prestonbanks	weeeeeee	[23:30]
kakobrekla	!down prestonbanks	[23:30]
*	assbot removes voice from prestonbanks	[23:30]
Duffer1	:P	[23:30]
Duffer1	!up prestonbanks	[23:30]
assbot	Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.	[23:30]
*	assbot gives voice to prestonbanks	[23:30]
prestonbanks	doh!	[23:31]
prestonbanks	had that coming	[23:31]
prestonbanks	thx duffer	[23:31]
Duffer1	:P	[23:31]
prestonbanks	kakobrekla is the mean guy of the group	[23:31]
prestonbanks	duly noted	[23:31]
Duffer1	nah just people messin with you	[23:32]
kakobrekla	no, i was serious.	[23:32]
kakobrekla	!down prestonbanks	[23:32]
*	assbot removes voice from prestonbanks	[23:32]
kakobrekla	go read up	[23:32]
fluffypony	prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!	[23:32]
Duffer1	also http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/	[23:33]
mod6	huh, didn't know about that page.	[23:34]
fluffypony	mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader	[23:34]
kakobrekla	mod6 its in the topic you know	[23:35]
kakobrekla	also on home of b-a.com	[23:35]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently	[23:36]
kakobrekla	;;topic	[23:36]
gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:36]
kakobrekla	fixd.	[23:36]
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mod6	kakobrekla: ah!	[23:40]
*	mod6 wonders how he never looked that up	[23:40]
mod6	i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho.	[23:41]
*	moiety read manuls, realised it was a typo disappoint	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06933582 = 0.6934 BTC [+]	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00316004 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2}	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03447 = 0.2413 BTC [+] {2}	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0412 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {2}	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2}	[23:49]
*	xdotcommer (~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-845445854.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:50]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: g'day	[23:53]
ThickAsThieves	Open for corrections and omissions http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate/	[23:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60303 @ 0.00094681 = 57.0955 BTC [-] {5}	[23:54]
*	assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo	[23:55]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: You too	[23:55]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin	[23:56]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions	[23:56]
ThickAsThieves	cool!	[23:57]
ThickAsThieves	i dont write much, and as i read my writing it feels very "What I Did Last Summer", so I'm also open to constructive criticisms	[23:58]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of	[23:58]
fluffypony	magnitude different, so the argument is sound	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7946 @ 0.00094459 = 7.5057 BTC [-] {2}	[23:59]

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