Forum logs for 23 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo quite. [00:00]
nubbins` actually i suppose a better idea is to deturdify 0.5.3 first [00:00]
mircea_popescu perhaps as important : bitcoin addresses are for getting paid. NOT for proving your identity [00:00]
mircea_popescu mixing these two is antidesign. [00:00]
nubbins` no sense including turds in first commit [00:00]
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mircea_popescu sign with your signature, pay with your wallet. [00:01]
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asciilifeform no sense including turds in first commit << surprisingly, i must disagree. we gotta show the pedigree from classical bitcoind. [00:01]
nubbins` a-ha, that's also fair [00:01]
mircea_popescu lol yeap. [00:01]
nubbins` so clone 0.5.3 to our tree as 0.5.3 [00:01]
nubbins` remove qt etc, add non-shit additions from 0.6-0.6.3 [00:02]
nubbins` release it as real 0.6 [00:02]
asciilifeform first someone please unearth a genuine vintage tarball of 0.5.3. github of poundation sc4mz0rz could be doctored. [00:02]
nubbins` dance into the sunset holding hands [00:02]
mike_c why not release it as real 0.1 [00:02]
mircea_popescu cuz it's not teh 0.1 not rly. [00:02]
mike_c it's not 0.6 rly either [00:02]
mircea_popescu i could see an argument for releasing it as the real 0.9 tho [00:03]
nubbins` sure it is [00:03]
mircea_popescu or w/e the derps are doing currently. [00:03]
nubbins` haha head 'em off [00:03]
nubbins` bitcoin x [00:03]
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mike_c hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding. [00:03]
nubbins` i'd be more in favor of mirroring derp release numbers for now [00:03]
nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888296 [00:04]
assbot Logged on 22-10-2014 17:56:50; othernubs`: copy the cream, chuck the crap [00:04]
nubbins` next release, 0.7, takes actual improvements from 0.7.* series and weeds out crud [00:04]
nubbins` etc [00:04]
mike_c uh, like all of it? [00:04]
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mike_c why the fuck would this project follow in derpy footsteps? [00:04]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [00:05]
asciilifeform first - we pillage. Then - we burn. [00:05]
nubbins` heh [00:05]
bounce guy got the order right [00:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but pillage the whole thing in one go. [00:05]
nubbins` this is assuming there are useful bugfixes in 0.7-0.9 [00:05]
mike_c right, which is v0.1 - pillaging. [00:05]
asciilifeform yes. [00:05]
nubbins` i'm sure there must be [00:05]
nubbins` however few [00:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c why "different branding" ? [00:05]
nubbins` this is what, a couple weeks of sifting to identify em [00:05]
nubbins` we'd be at 0.9 by xmas [00:05]
mike_c because it will be different (and better) [00:06]
nubbins` no, core is different :D [00:06]
PeterL but it will still be "bitcoin" [00:06]
mike_c and that is worth signifying, instead of looking like a clone. [00:06]
mircea_popescu mike_c usgavin's crap is the different [00:06]
mircea_popescu and worse. [00:06]
mircea_popescu that's the message here. we got the brand. [00:06]
mike_c exactly, so why follow their lead? [00:07]
asciilifeform reactionary deeds, not mere words, yes. [00:07]
mircea_popescu the wanna-bes on the outskirts of bitcoin are making baseless claims to a continuity that doesn't exist. [00:07]
mike_c i would rather use b-a bitcoin v0.1 over derpy bitcoin v0.9 [00:07]
mircea_popescu mike_c the crocodile that opens maw to let stuff in, then lets water back out is not following toads lead. [00:07]
mircea_popescu it's merely eating toads. [00:07]
mike_c yeah, and to follow this odd analogy, it doesn't call itself "toad". it calls itself "crocodile" [00:08]
nubbins` anyway, getting ahead of ourselves [00:08]
mircea_popescu which is what we're calling ourselves. bitcoin. [00:08]
nubbins` first step, 0.5.3->real 0.6 [00:08]
cazalla bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved. <<< they sorta did that here but cancelled the passports so that they couldn't leave australia and not after [00:08]
asciilifeform ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. [00:08]
mircea_popescu mike_c think of it strategically. won't it be funny when usgavin is stuck arguing that a) he's forking bitcoin and b) it's the real bitcoin ? [00:09]
mike_c fractional versions serve purpose normally (not in bitcoincore fantasyland) [00:09]
PeterL why not just call it 1.0? [00:09]
mircea_popescu put usg people in usg type positions. [00:09]
mircea_popescu PeterL mostly cause not mature. [00:09]
PeterL what does it need to be mature? [00:09]
mircea_popescu to be 1.0 ? tradition. [00:09]
PeterL a specification? [00:10]
mircea_popescu ;;google tradition tradition! [00:10]
gribble Tradition!Tradition! - Jewish Gifts and Fine Judaica: ; Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles ) - YouTube: ; Tradition (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [00:10]
BingoBoingo The ubuntu naked people from 4.10 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Warty_visual_theme/Image_archive [00:10]
assbot Ubuntu Warty visual theme/Image archive - Geek Feminism Wiki [00:10]
mike_c 1.0 can be the first version that has no more bitcoincore legacy code in it [00:10]
mircea_popescu that won't likely ever happen. [00:10]
mircea_popescu what may perhaps happen is a day when gavin, mike and co finally go full-ethereum [00:10]
mircea_popescu and make a "bitcoin" that has no more bitcoin in it at all. [00:10]
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asciilifeform i confess - i actually like moldy's 'kelvin versioning.' [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform on the c machine tho ? [00:11]
mircea_popescu and also, it's kuhns [00:11]
asciilifeform start at temperature, e.g., 500K. then 'cooling'. theoretically 0K means it will -never- be reasonable to change it. ever. [00:12]
undata BingoBoingo: I remember that; bizarre [00:12]
nubbins` do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6 [00:12]
nubbins` fuck everything [00:12]
PeterL windows thing and call it Bitcoin 2014 [00:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform seriously, donald kuhn did that. [00:12]
mike_c my instinct is that any versioning system other than following the derps would be better [00:12]
asciilifeform on anything, hell, univac. kelvin versioning doesn't mean you will never throw the whole thing away. just experesses the concept that code must cool down to pefect crystalline form, rather than accumulating turdacles. [00:12]
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mod6 <+nubbins`> do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6 << haha [00:13]
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asciilifeform knuth's 'pi versioning' of TeX, yes [00:13]
mircea_popescu why do i keep calling the poor man kuhn [00:13]
mircea_popescu dylsexiaday. [00:13]
mircea_popescu fuck. [00:14]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ [00:14]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ [00:14]
los_pantalones mircea_popescu you may get gavin & co to ethereum mode sooner rather than later [00:14]
mircea_popescu mike_c not a bad instinct generally, but gotta start somewhere. [00:14]
undata asciilifeform: would the "crystalline" form only describe features? this seems to fly in the face of the "provably correct" conversation of the other day [00:14]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones apparently. [00:14]
los_pantalones just heard these guys closed 50mm [00:14]
los_pantalones http://blockstream.com/ [00:14]
undata in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes [00:14]
assbot Blockstream [00:14]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones ahahaha with whom [00:14]
undata 0.0001K -> 0.00009K ? [00:14]
los_pantalones standard vc collective [00:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Kuhn is the one who tried the versioning things with science http://www.amazon.com/The-Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Edition/dp/0226458083 [00:15]
assbot The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, 3rd Edition: Thomas S. Kuhn: 9780226458083: Amazon.com: Books [00:15]
mike_c <+undata> in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes << yeah.. one way to break things is to add "fixes" [00:15]
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mircea_popescu should be fun to watch. [00:15]
los_pantalones it always is [00:15]
asciilifeform we aren't doing 'provably correct' or even 'fits in head' quite yet. just a reasonably sane janitorial job on classical bitcoind. downed pilot has to eat, whether the fauna have four legs, six, or a thousand. [00:15]
undata mike_c: yes one way, but certainly not the only [00:16]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones so basically.. maxwell, wuille towards the end, and WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE lol [00:16]
los_pantalones on the phone was told 'a bunch of people from bitcoin core dev' [00:17]
los_pantalones then i looked at the site [00:17]
BingoBoingo Wait, isn't sidechains just namecoin or any other merge mined thing, but without history? [00:17]
los_pantalones and had the same reaction [00:17]
mircea_popescu "Francesca Hall Co-Founder Since joining Blockstream as team coordinator, she has become an expert in complex systems, chaos theory, system automation, and large scale organizational challenges" [00:17]
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mircea_popescu no, seriously ? [00:17]
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los_pantalones so possibly some others in the works [00:17]
los_pantalones but that's pure speculation from a game of telephone [00:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo vaguely seems like that. [00:17]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones so who is francesca hall lol. [00:17]
los_pantalones you tell me [00:17]
los_pantalones ol wise one [00:17]
BingoBoingo Except each side chain gets their own deedbot? [00:18]
mircea_popescu i want some smart chicks that become experts in complex systems and chaos theory over a semester [00:18]
mircea_popescu i never met one irl. [00:18]
thickasthieves <+mike_c> hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding. /// well i think the whole .0.0 whatever shit is retarded [00:18]
asciilifeform .0.0... retarded << very much [00:18]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones well, prolly not the same, but intel has "The latest Tweets from Francesca Hall (@FrancescaHRH). In the semi final heat for Miss England 2015 " to share. [00:18]
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los_pantalones haha, if only [00:19]
thickasthieves <+asciilifeform> ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. /// yeah, see [00:19]
thickasthieves you give it a name, and the first version is 1 [00:19]
kakobrekla .0.0... retarded << very much << yes it does look like retarded emoticon [00:19]
asciilifeform i like the 'kelvin' variant, but this is a matter of taste. [00:19]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones o no fucking way, they got like a dozen and they're all co founders and supposedly equally so ?! [00:19]
BingoBoingo Oh badusb got commercialized http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/10/22/185244/ftdi-reportedly-bricking-devices-using-competitors-chips [00:20]
assbot FTDI Reportedly Bricking Devices Using Competitors' Chips. - Slashdot [00:20]
asciilifeform that can be mr mold's contribution to civilization. we can credit him. [00:20]
* mircea_popescu is seriously considering expanding the derps. this is good shit. [00:20]
mircea_popescu "Jorge Timón Co-Founder Jorge Timón is a software engineer with 4 years of experience at Indra, working on big international projects including software for several insurance companies." [00:21]
kakobrekla blockstream has nice logo [00:21]
mircea_popescu i see the "3 year's experience" thing got a ++ ? [00:21]
asciilifeform why the everliving fuck is usbid on any ftdi - genuine or chinese - reflashable inband ?!?! [00:22]
thickasthieves <+kakobrekla> blockstream has nice logo -- not bad, i'd have gone for less segments in the icon [00:22]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones uhm... from what i hear the 50 mn reports may be grossly exaggerated. [00:22]
los_pantalones possible [00:22]
los_pantalones was a single call [00:22]
kakobrekla thickasthieves more segments, more mm. [00:22]
asciilifeform i always wondered [00:22]
mircea_popescu in the sense that if i donate to the bitcoin foundation a btc and consider maybe donating another 100 in time [00:22]
los_pantalones guy should know [00:22]
thickasthieves i cant argue with more is more [00:22]
mircea_popescu it has not in fact received 101 btc financing. [00:22]
* kakobrekla learns from best chumpatrons [00:23]
los_pantalones understood, ty for the clarification [00:23]
asciilifeform waitasec, this is funded project? why? [00:23]
bounce actually bricking? oh dear. that is maybe a little too enthousiastic. but the poor chinese copies claiming to be ftdi then only implementing half the stuff and causing trouble that reflects badly on ftdi would tire me out, honestly. [00:23]
* bounce wouldn't be surprised to learn the chips bricked themselves because they're not up to spec [00:23]
mircea_popescu sounds like a distinct possiblity bounce [00:24]
bounce setting product id to 0. didn't know they even had programmable vid/pid [00:25]
asciilifeform yes reprogrammable, it's intended as a prototype aid. but why inband?!?! [00:26]
bounce and, hm, if the device proclaims to be vendor x / product y, then does the vendor have a right to say "but I didn't make this, this is fake. not my product" and set product id to 0? [00:26]
asciilifeform i always hated inband reflashable fw in consumer products. invitation for mice. [00:26]
bounce first sale doctrine probably says "no" though. but oh so tempting. [00:27]
mircea_popescu how does first sale doctrine say no ? [00:28]
bounce by the time the driver hits the owner is the client, not the fake vendor nor the real vendor [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.0007413 = 16.7534 BTC [+] {2} [00:29]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu you may recall a deffective automobile even if the owner is the owner not you [00:29]
bounce the owner will still have to voluntarily submit the product back to the vendor. [00:30]
mircea_popescu which he allegedly did by allowing it to be 0'd ? [00:30]
cazalla bounce: ;;seen mistere <<< after #b-a went +m, he said he was leaving [00:30]
bounce er. how did the owner say "yes please?", given that they evidently didn't see it coming? [00:30]
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bounce oh, alright. [00:31]
mircea_popescu well, evidently. [00:31]
mircea_popescu for that matter, it'd be funny if the first sale doctrine protected the owners of counterfit gucci bags. [00:32]
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nubbins` counterfiat [00:32]
mircea_popescu be like, "yeah, it's a fake, but you can't do jack because this guy paid that guy ten bux for it." [00:32]
bounce hm. I don't think they've been gone after, have they? [00:33]
BingoBoingo Maybe I prefer bootleg USB controllers? [00:33]
mircea_popescu bounce no idea, prolly not. kinda fringe [00:33]
bounce not sure if it'd make sense to even put the defense on first sale, but worth a shot. [00:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0007416 = 6.8227 BTC [+] [00:34]
bounce anyhow, I get where they're coming from but it's still a dodgy move. [00:35]
mircea_popescu well sure it is, no argument there. [00:35]
mircea_popescu my point was entirely that the first sale thing prolly won't take you far. [00:35]
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bounce prolly not. tortuous to say the least. but lots of legal wrangling is exactly that. [00:38]
mircea_popescu inexactly that :) [00:38]
bounce you're saying legal eagles are a bunch of sloppy cunts? [00:39]
mircea_popescu you know, the same way "phenotypically divergent" does not necessarily mean an extremely skinny chick with extremely large tits and improbably long legs. it could also mean disproportionately large head [00:39]
BingoBoingo Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act would prolly be the way to protect your bootleg usb chips in US court [00:40]
mircea_popescu no, im just saying yours is the bad kind of tortured. [00:40]
mircea_popescu bingo's just as tortured, but it looks maybe more fit to thrive. [00:40]
asciilifeform http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/09/20/1651241/why-you-cant-manufacture-like-apple << not entirely unrelated [00:40]
assbot Why You Can't Manufacture Like Apple - Slashdot [00:40]
bounce ``The licence only allows use of the Software with, and the Software will only work with Genuine FTDI Components (as defined in the Licence Terms). Use of the Software as a driver for a component that is not a Genuine FTDI Component MAY IRRETRIEVABLY DAMAGE THAT COMPONENT.'' -- well, they did do and went covered their arse. [00:40]
mike_c holy shit i just wasted 5 minutes of my life. [00:41]
mike_c http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf [00:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c how many times did i say not to pdf :D [00:41]
mike_c you don't want to read it anyway [00:41]
mircea_popescu if someone makes a powerpoint they may be worth a fuck, but if someone makes a pdf its not worth your time. [00:41]
bounce so save us four minutes and tell us why? [00:41]
mike_c sidechains! pegged to bitcoin! don't worry about the fact that it won't fucking work and the sidechains will collapse. we'll figure something out. [00:42]
bounce this that old thing again or did someone do a similar thing anew? [00:42]
mike_c also requires a "soft-fork" of bitcoin, but don't worry, that's not as bad as a hard fork. [00:42]
bounce not that I paid attention the first time around, mind. [00:43]
mircea_popescu seems like the old tihng again. [00:43]
mircea_popescu re-ethereum [00:43]
mircea_popescu which was re-ripple [00:43]
mircea_popescu which was re-etc. [00:43]
mike_c yeah but they didn't have symmetric two way pegs. [00:43]
mircea_popescu oh sorry. [00:43]
mircea_popescu DOUBLE DONGS SAVE THE DAY [00:43]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/TakeBack4chan/comments/2gsppl/our_plan_of_action/ << in other news. [00:44]
assbot Our plan of action : TakeBack4chan [00:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00073942 = 9.1688 BTC [-] [00:46]
bounce I'm oblivious as to the drama that spawned this [00:47]
asciilifeform re: FTDI scandal - the real sc4mz0rz are the usb standard phoundation folks, who charge for IDs. the only reason any of this is happening. [00:48]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:49]
mircea_popescu bounce it's like the previous one with some sed [00:49]
bounce uh, no. they're faking the ftdi vid/pid so the driver'll work [00:49]
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asciilifeform they fake it because even if you implement a standard device class (e.g. HID) you have to fake someone's. or you fork over ~4k usd to parasite scum for a 'legit' id. [00:51]
bounce well, yes, they probably should sell, say, fractional VIDs (VID+16 PIDs or so) for a nicely small fraction of the cost [00:52]
mircea_popescu like domain names ? [00:52]
bounce (there was a guy that did exactly that, expressly for hobbyist purposes, but he got shot down, I think) [00:53]
asciilifeform like domain names would be were there zero downward pressure on prices, and a single registrar. [00:53]
bounce domain names have a slightly bigger available space [00:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So like ISBN? [00:53]
bounce for comparison, OUIs cost $1250 last time I checked [00:53]
asciilifeform 16 bits of usb vendor id. that's it. [00:54]
bounce ISBN blocks come in variable sizes. forgot the size of the price structure. [00:54]
mircea_popescu it's about like a domain name, isbn [00:54]
BingoBoingo https://www.myidentifiers.com/get-your-isbn-now << bounce now for more than 100 blocks you need to inquire [00:55]
assbot Bowker | Identifier Services [00:55]
asciilifeform http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids [00:55]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/8XqmkJM.jpg [00:55]
bounce they're apparently about to run out of numbers. so they tack on three digits for a net gain of one bit [00:55]
* bounce wasn't too impressed by that move [00:56]
undata death to centralized number peddlers [00:56]
undata what prevented device IDs being uuids? [00:57]
bounce well, there's these cheap chinese boxes that come without MAC assigned; somewhere on bootup it'll just make one up [00:57]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#861596 << so what does he do? tries to cause the grief he intended to stop [00:57]
assbot Logged on 06-10-2014 21:06:55; gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account. [00:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/8XqmkJM.jpg << ever read the infamous 'spoons' essay? [00:57]
bounce that's like, really useful if you're trying to manage your shop over dhcp [00:57]
mircea_popescu have not, no. [00:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory [00:58]
assbot But You Dont Look Sick? support for those with invisible illness or chronic illness The Spoon Theory written by Christine Miserandino - But You Dont Look Sick? support for those with invisible illness or chronic illness [00:58]
mircea_popescu invisible illness ? [00:58]
mircea_popescu wait, this is a disease you don;t have but gets you welfare ? [00:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: e.g., 'aids' [00:58]
mircea_popescu o [00:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You know invisible illness like schizophrenia of HIV++ [00:59]
mircea_popescu http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803444/Florida-man-weighs-500-POUNDS-big-fit-police-car-resists-arrest-sitting-ground.html [00:59]
assbot Florida man Howard Hendrix resists arrest by sitting on the ground | Daily Mail Online [00:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: AIDs is visible, not very, but visible [00:59]
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undata mircea_popescu: was born in florida; this checks out [00:59]
bounce you can take the man out of florida, but can you take florida out of the man? [01:02]
undata bounce: I chant "outlier" at night to help myself sleep. [01:02]
BingoBoingo Oh, working for USG no immunity from usg http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/jury-reaches-verdict-blackwater-guards-trial-26373170 [01:03]
assbot Blackwater Guards Found Guilty in Iraq Shootings - ABC News [01:03]
bounce until your neighbours call the cops to report a disturbance of the peace? [01:03]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/HugAGqg.png [01:03]
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nubbins` i uh... [01:04]
nubbins` o.O [01:05]
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bounce too clean to understand this [01:05]
nubbins` ^ [01:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is wallowing with the eagles? mega-lol though [01:05]
nubbins` fuckin smell shamer [01:05]
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mircea_popescu well i somehow ended up looking for internets drama [01:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15651 @ 0.00073811 = 11.5522 BTC [-] {2} [01:05]
mircea_popescu for my sins, this query is readily but abundantly satisfied. [01:05]
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nubbins` asciilifeform you familiar with https://gitian.org/ ? [01:07]
assbot Gitian: a secure software distribution method [01:07]
TheNewDeal hey nubbins` , good sir, can I get a rating for purchasing them posters :D? [01:07]
asciilifeform http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this. [01:07]
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nubbins` TheNewDeal, i'm very parsimonious with my ratings [01:08]
nubbins` i'm sure you'll understand :/ [01:09]
asciilifeform (how did i make this inference? simply from the fact of the actual die not being a copy. which would have been the obvious explanation. [01:09]
TheNewDeal understood, but I'm in dire need [01:09]
nubbins` understood! [01:09]
BingoBoingo ;;rated TheNewDeal [01:09]
gribble You have not yet rated user TheNewDeal [01:09]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot TheNewDeal [01:09]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.105.11. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014 [01:09]
nubbins` ;;ratingsystem getratings TheNewDeal [01:10]
gribble Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "getratings" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin. [01:10]
mircea_popescu you got one, what do you need em for ? [01:10]
asciilifeform gitian << do not want. [01:10]
nubbins` ;;ratingsystem getrating TheNewDeal [01:10]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.105.11 . User TheNewDeal, rated since Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014. Cumulative rating 4, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal [01:10]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Care to do a tour in the newsmines? [01:10]
TheNewDeal is that an invitation to write an article? [01:10]
TheNewDeal yes [01:10]
nubbins` TheNewDeal you know those are better ratings than i had for a long time :P [01:10]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Find news submit draft [01:11]
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TheNewDeal but I did purchase 2 posters from you. Want everyone to know I'm a bitcoin art connoisseur [01:11]
BingoBoingo !up reggiesells [01:11]
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asciilifeform gitian << first of all, want bsd - floppy disk image is what i'm playing with now - plus gcc, other deps - pre-baked. minimal size. second, what is this nonsense, it needs an internet connection?!?! [01:11]
mircea_popescu !up reggiesells [01:11]
-assbot- You voiced reggiesells for another 30 minutes. [01:11]
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nubbins` TheNewDeal, a man's gotta have criteria and you don't meet it, sorry [01:12]
BingoBoingo Oh mircea_popescu was slow this time, probably becaus more age [01:12]
nubbins` nothing personal [01:12]
nubbins` i give out ratings like candy, they'll be worthless [01:12]
mircea_popescu moar cognac. [01:12]
nubbins` you want everyone to know you're a connoisseur, post some pics of your poster to the thread ;D [01:13]
* BingoBoingo is really liking this switch to just ETOH+mixer [01:13]
TheNewDeal I don't see how it'd be worthless. In fact, if someone wanted to do business with me, they could literally ask you how it went [01:13]
reggiesells noob here, what the heck did you guys just do with those irc commands? [01:13]
TheNewDeal I'm distancing myself from the forum [01:13]
TheNewDeal too much wasted time [01:13]
BingoBoingo reggiesells: We gave you voice! [01:13]
nubbins` reggiesells, gribble manages our web of trust for us [01:13]
reggiesells thanks! @BingoBoingo, i almost lost my voice earlier [01:14]
kakobrekla !up to heaven [01:14]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/6464LM2.png <<< check out this land where thermodynamics never happened. [01:14]
reggiesells oohh okay, i know about WoT. [01:14]
nubbins` TheNewDeal and i'd say "yeah, guy sent me btc, i sent him a poster" and they would not have any new information upon which to judge your character [01:14]
reggiesells thanks @nubbins' [01:14]
BingoBoingo reggiesells: Well it happens on a 30 minute timers. assbot rules over us all unequally [01:14]
bounce this is twittar now? [01:14]
reggiesells haha yes [01:14]
reggiesells now i feel less special lol [01:14]
TheNewDeal mkay, I'll tell them it's in the logs https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z [01:15]
assbot Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip [01:15]
asciilifeform ok looks like author pointed it out: 'What's the economic reason of making software fake of well-known chip instead of making new one under your own name? This way they don't need to buy USB VID, sign drivers in Microsoft, no expenses on advertisement. This fake chip will be used right away in numerous mass-manufactured products.' [01:16]
bounce what's the cost of getting a driver signed and added to the store by redmond? [01:19]
nubbins` $$$$ [01:19]
mircea_popescu a coupla k's it was [01:20]
nubbins` wait, well. [01:20]
nubbins` like $4k for vendor id and driver signing [01:20]
nubbins` with the bulk of that being for the VID [01:21]
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jurov git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git just trying out the setup... works, but with mysterious 403 thrown for good measure [01:22]
* mircea_popescu is not impressed by this spoon theory. [01:23]
bounce stopped reading the thing. too wordy, going nowhere. [01:24]
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mircea_popescu basically it's a "hey, homeostatic systems have finite recourse" [01:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it wasn't an intellectual breakthrough of any kind whatsoever - but is apparently 'canonical' among the community of the Officially Sad. [01:24]
mircea_popescu yeah bitch, they do. nevertheless, ever since i can recall my process was to stay up until i was sleepy and then sleep until i woke up. [01:25]
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mircea_popescu and then eat when hungry and so on. caesar's method. [01:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that only works if you're caesar - or at least, a free man. [01:26]
mircea_popescu yeah, well... [01:26]
mircea_popescu i am. [01:26]
mircea_popescu i was when i was 6, too. [01:26]
jurov i guess parents did not destroy your endocrine system by placating you with sweets [01:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was 6 << easy then [01:26]
mircea_popescu jurov no, actually, i ate so much sugar it was scary. [01:28]
mircea_popescu one of the things in family folklore re my childhood is this one time when they got a large jar of homemade jam from up in the pantry where it was kept (why ?) and while discussing if to make it crepes or what [01:28]
mircea_popescu i ate it. [01:28]
mircea_popescu 50lb kid, 1lb apricot jam, 50% sugar by weight. [01:28]
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asciilifeform in usa, food (at least if you like recycled food!) is free as air. sleep - is for royalty. [01:29]
mircea_popescu i dunno, i slept pretty well there. nice idea the boxspring [01:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: again, you. not us inmates. [01:30]
mircea_popescu but i am not royalty! [01:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but - yer not an inmate. [01:31]
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mircea_popescu anyway, there is some merit to this entire "sucks to be me" approach to obesity. while i have been catching on a little weight as an adult male, it's still mostly a case of, if i overeat my body just turns it to heat, usually on the spot. [01:32]
mircea_popescu "why am i so hot ? a wait, that was a third desert wasn't it. plus alcohol." [01:32]
asciilifeform at some point we'll learn the secret of adjusting the thermostat, so to speak, of the body - and then people will blast themselves to hell with free radicals instead of dying of fat. choose ice vs. fire death, yes. [01:33]
bounce spontaneous combustion and so on [01:33]
asciilifeform combustion << nah, just regular cellular aging. [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11165 @ 0.00073488 = 8.2049 BTC [-] [01:34]
nubbins` box spring is best spring [01:35]
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asciilifeform my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. [01:36]
nubbins` jurov 403 forbidden indeed! [01:37]
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jurov but it doesn't say which url exactly [01:38]
asciilifeform food? sex? slave can get these. sleep ad libitum - is the mark of the free man. [01:38]
nubbins` http://dpaste.com/10SKRWS [01:38]
assbot dpaste: 10SKRWS [01:38]
undata as long as you're somewhere where the sun will wake you up [01:38]
undata side note: I happen to be an inmate that sleeps when he pleases [01:39]
nubbins` jurov what do server logs say [01:39]
undata americans are just lazy; you can still have freedom here [01:39]
bounce that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte. [01:39]
nubbins` wow [01:39]
bounce doesn't say if that's for mobile only or fixed too. [01:39]
undata speaking of inmates. [01:39]
asciilifeform you - which you. herr buffett can sleep when he pleases, likewise, i hear. [01:39]
undata it doesn't take that much wealth to self-sustain [01:40]
nubbins` ^ [01:40]
undata again: laziness. [01:40]
nubbins` it's more a function of what you consume than what your income is [01:40]
asciilifeform it doesn't take that much wealth to self-sustain << Mega-Lol! [01:40]
undata segue to circle-jerk [01:40]
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BingoBoingo ;;google extreme early retirement [01:42]
gribble Early Retirement Extreme: — a combination of simple living ...: ; Early Retirement Extreme Forums • Index page: ; What 30-Year-Old Retirees Can Teach The Rest Of Us - Forbes: [01:42]
undata I suppose all 320mil of us work at McDonalds leaving only to go through the drive-through at Burger King in your fantasy. [01:42]
asciilifeform the only 'early retirement' available to everyone is the 'last bullet retirement fund.' [01:42]
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undata asciilifeform: you said you were russian, right? [01:42]
undata speaking of countries filled with useless people [01:43]
asciilifeform undata: usa 1992-present [01:43]
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nubbins` ;;google freedom 35 [01:43]
gribble freedom 35: ; Freedom 35 | Facebook: ; Is Freedom 35 possible? - Retire Happy: [01:43]
undata asciilifeform: I share the distaste for merkuh, but... broad brush. [01:43]
nubbins` 1992, the year punk broke [01:43]
nubbins` asciilifeform came to see a sonic youth show and never left [01:44]
asciilifeform undata: my criticism here is not usa-specific. applies to all industrial nations. [01:44]
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undata then granted [01:44]
bounce "broad brush" "no broader brush" "oh okay" [01:44]
asciilifeform undata: except that in usa and its colonies, the slaves derp on about being some kind of 'free' despite not even being permitted to sleep. [01:44]
undata bounce: as long as we're all covered in shit. [01:45]
undata some socialist logic for you [01:45]
bounce you pinko commie socialist, you [01:45]
undata ha beat you [01:45]
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mircea_popescu my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. << ha! not even for say, a comet ? [01:46]
bounce yeah yeah you're first, you win [01:46]
undata bounce: trying to balance out the socialism, ok? [01:46]
asciilifeform ok alarm clock, but only if i want. for comet. that's it. [01:46]
mircea_popescu that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte. <<< it's al ulzfest. the gb costs about 1 cent or so atm. [01:46]
mircea_popescu you - which you. herr buffett can sleep when he pleases, likewise, i hear. << not so. not when the dow is ding ding dinging downwards. [01:47]
bounce depends on where you get it. mobile or fixed or wholesale [01:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00073488 = 18.078 BTC [-] [01:47]
mircea_popescu well in the same sense brent is 100 bux a barrel [01:48]
mircea_popescu sure, "depoends where you get it". [01:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform came to see a sonic youth show and never left << lol too funnay. [01:48]
asciilifeform i'll feel sorry for herr b when he has to live in a rented hovel and wake to an alarm bell. and follow orders. [01:48]
* BingoBoingo wishes for gas station gift card deniminated in gallons of gas rather than dollars of gas. [01:49]
mircea_popescu now that's a good one [01:49]
BingoBoingo I'd simply hodl it and use the appreciation to get the liquor [01:50]
* bounce didn't catch where they were levying that tax, or what they were imagining the prices currently paid to be [01:51]
asciilifeform came to see a sonic << if only. brought as a boy and ended up with no other citizenship just like parents (no automagic su->ru citizenship for folks who packed up prior to '94, if i recall) [01:51]
mike_c BingoBoingo: this exists. http://www.mygallons.com/ [01:51]
assbot MyGallons.com. Tomorrow’s gas. Today’s prices. [01:51]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. << ha! not even for say, a comet ? <<< i'm down to one alarm a week [01:52]
nubbins` amazing the effect this has on one's attitude and outlook [01:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:54]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 34(Y):66(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.73541987 BTC. Current weight: 43,652. [01:55]
bounce http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=bitcoin [01:55]
assbot CVE -Search Results [01:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no ? [01:55]
BingoBoingo Everyone look and see if you can spot the new design++ http://qntra.net/ [01:55]
assbot Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary [01:55]
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BingoBoingo mike_c: Seems shady, 404 on the "how this works" page [01:56]
mike_c yeah, i ran into it a couple years ago. seems to have lost steam with falling gas prices (shocking). [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00073765 = 4.6103 BTC [+] {2} [01:57]
nubbins` incidentally, this: http://imgur.com/a/8f0ge is the man who killed the armed gunman at the canadian parliament today [01:58]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [01:58]
BingoBoingo I'd more prefer a solution offered by a conveniece store chain I despise. [01:58]
nubbins` and yes he wears that sword every day [01:58]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Did he kill him with the mace? [01:59]
mircea_popescu who killed the unarmed gunman ? [02:00]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Looks like the Seargent at Arms [02:01]
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BingoBoingo From nubbins` pic [02:02]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha fucked him with the mace of office ? [02:02]
BingoBoingo I hope [02:02]
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nubbins` BingoBoingo indeed the sgt at arms [02:03]
nubbins` apparently emptied his weapon, went back to his office to grab more bullets [02:03]
nubbins` ;0 [02:03]
* BingoBoingo knew Model UN would be useful for something [02:04]
nubbins` heh [02:04]
nubbins` i was ethiopia [02:04]
BingoBoingo I chaired the Science and Technology committee. [02:04]
BingoBoingo Was a $1000 a year discount on tuition [02:05]
mircea_popescu "The engineNextBytes function in classlib/modules/security/src/main/java/common/org/apache/harmony/security/provider/crypto/SHA1PRNG_SecureRandomImpl.java in the SecureRandom implementation in Apache Harmony through 6.0M3, as used in the Java Cryptography Architecture (JCA) in Android before 4.4 and other products, when no seed is provided by the user, uses an incorrect offset value, which makes it easier for attackers [02:05]
mircea_popescu to defeat cryptographic protection mechanisms by leveraging the resulting PRNG predictability, as exploited in the wild against Bitcoin wallet applications in August 2013." [02:05]
mircea_popescu quite. mp still recalls the profusely apologetic "we fucked up the init and consequently ppl got pwned" stuff coming out of the chief scientists [02:06]
mircea_popescu "The HTTPAuthorized function in bitcoinrpc.cpp in bitcoind 0.8.1 provides information about authentication failure upon detecting the first incorrect byte of a password, which makes it easier for remote attackers to determine passwords via a timing side-channel attack." [02:06]
mircea_popescu easier ? lolk. [02:07]
nubbins` lel does it really? [02:07]
nubbins` "what's your password?" "P-A-S-S-Q.." "WRONG" [02:07]
BingoBoingo Real Journalism in two examples: http://deadspin.com/tim-lincecum-missed-the-world-series-intros-because-he-1649546885 http://deadspin.com/cops-substitute-teacher-gave-h-s-footballer-oral-sex-1649426335 [02:08]
assbot Tim Lincecum Missed The World Series Intros Because He Was Barfing [02:08]
assbot Cops: Substitute Teacher Gave H.S. Footballer Oral Sex During Pep Rally [02:08]
BingoBoingo Also www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/haunted-house-assault-lawsuit-786543 [02:09]
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bounce which reminds me. there need to be automated regression tests. [02:10]
pete_dushenski time to chime in on the new bitcoin name: [02:10]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform:ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. << except we use.... roman numerals. [02:10]
mircea_popescu the substitute head seems a good idea. [02:10]
pete_dushenski i, ii, iii, vi, v, etc. [02:10]
nubbins` gross [02:11]
nubbins` bitcoin MCMXLVIII [02:11]
BingoBoingo So... anyone spot the new qntra design++ yet? [02:11]
ben_vulpes bitcoin x << ah, this [02:11]
jurov gray background? [02:11]
pete_dushenski nubbins` jeez lowercase. [02:11]
nubbins` ben_vulpes 8) [02:12]
BingoBoingo jurov: Close, look higher [02:12]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes rite. [02:12]
jurov the "menu"? [02:12]
BingoBoingo higher... [02:12]
mircea_popescu tits ? [02:12]
nubbins` i'd guess the favicon even though it hasn't loaded for me yet [02:12]
pete_dushenski eh qntra is down for me. [02:12]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: It is the favicon [02:13]
jurov i see no favicon [02:13]
* nubbins` claps [02:13]
BingoBoingo jurov: Using Firefox? [02:13]
nubbins` http://qntra.net/favicon.ico [02:13]
jurov y [02:13]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/favicon.ico << this thing ? [02:13]
BingoBoingo jurov: Won't show until you restart firefox [02:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: yes [02:13]
mircea_popescu what is it, like a coil of rope ? [02:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's Just a Q and an n [02:14]
pete_dushenski los_pantalones: just heard these guys closed 50mm << inching closer to that magic $bn [02:14]
pete_dushenski lol blockstream has "gregory maxwell" on its list of founders. [02:15]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Do you know what the truly beautiful thing about softforks is? [02:16]
nubbins` jurov git works now. what version is this? [02:16]
BingoBoingo Maybe not beautiful, but sublime? [02:16]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo that b-a is behind them? [02:16]
jurov nubbins` just a clone of github [02:17]
nubbins` ah kk [02:17]
jurov git does not like getting 403 instead of 404 [02:17]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No, that they prevent people using newer software from making or recognizing certain transactions. [02:17]
jurov nubbins` an idea: what about making the Q more like opinion bubble? [02:18]
jurov like speech in comics [02:18]
nubbins` nice idea [02:18]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo heh. [02:18]
mircea_popescu qntra needs a bikshed. [02:18]
jurov and trollbox!!!1 [02:19]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: That is the literal reading of the Thermos bitcoin wiki definition of softfork [02:19]
BingoBoingo jurov: But this is trollbox [02:19]
pete_dushenski so i'm guessing no spv will work on the bitcoin i ? so no more multibit? [02:19]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Older version of Multibit don't need bloom filters... [02:19]
BingoBoingo Also as I said last night, running the occasional 0.8.x node is polite... [02:20]
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jurov and i asked last night, what's so evil about 0.8/9? [02:21]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ok. so up to what version of multibit are we talking here? [02:21]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well I use 0.5.11 because it is what still lets me use higher than pennies tx fees [02:22]
BingoBoingo jurov: I think the evil is simply the distance + proximity to Hearn [02:23]
BingoBoingo jurov: At least as far as concretes can be found [02:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Qntra already has n=1 bikeshed http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-120 [02:24]
assbot CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But | Qntra.net [02:24]
jurov seems rather superstitious to me... but yes, starting at 0.5 and adding new stuff only after review is a plan [02:24]
BingoBoingo Superstitious in itself is not ideal, but... Hearn did trigger a hardfork... [02:25]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ya i'm rocking 0.5.14 [02:26]
nubbins` jurov http://i.imgur.com/8UeXsPU.png [02:27]
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nubbins` ;D [02:27]
jurov hue [02:27]
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mircea_popescu jurov the major code reorg that caused a fork. factual. [02:27]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: The idea I floated last week was purple and orange, but cazalla reminded me colorblindness is a thing. [02:27]
nubbins` sure is [02:28]
nubbins` so, green on red? [02:28]
jurov iirc bdb caused a fork, no? [02:28]
mircea_popescu jurov no. [02:28]
BingoBoingo jurov: Leveldb caused fork nominally [02:28]
mircea_popescu leveldb / poorly understood / not tested new code caused a fork [02:29]
mircea_popescu supposedly this was accidental. i never bought it. [02:29]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Honestly, prolly best to remain greyscal friendly [02:29]
mircea_popescu leveldb in and of itself is whatever, maybe not the first choice for a db. leveldb as implemented by hearn was an attack on bitcoin. [02:29]
mircea_popescu the fact that we survived does not mean they didn't try. [02:30]
BingoBoingo ^ [02:30]
BingoBoingo Leveldb google turd does actually seem to be higher performance than the BDB oracle turd, but... yes consequences. [02:30]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [02:31]
gribble Current Blocks: 326536 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36054837706.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.00652 [02:31]
jurov okay i see, there's lot of new code not properly reviewed [02:31]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo MultiBit Version 0.5.11 Changes + Implemented issue 96 - Sign and Verify message. << that's it! [02:31]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: And after that I wanted for nothing more from an SPV client [02:33]
BingoBoingo Just to verify messages [02:33]
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BingoBoingo !up xinxi [02:34]
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BingoBoingo %d [02:34]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 634748.22 in 1303 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 35.18 [02:34]
BingoBoingo %p [02:34]
atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1502.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s [02:34]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo the only interesting one you're missing out on is "#181. Improved build to check dependencies using Gary's dependency checker." lol [02:35]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It's a java turd. I holds keys with decreasing amounts of funds and handles a few adresses funds might still come to. [02:36]
ben_vulpes was someone hosting some git repos? [02:36]
BingoBoingo It's more private than using electrum on a public server, but far from using an actual client [02:37]
pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats [02:37]
gribble Current Blocks: 326536 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36054837706.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.00652 [02:37]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ya i don't mind it at all :) [02:37]
mircea_popescu http://www.nhplace.com/kent/index.html << check out kent pitman allll over salon.com with the "global warming" thingee [02:37]
assbot Kent Pitman's Home Page [02:37]
mircea_popescu this is so lulzy. [02:37]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Sort of thing you might use on a netbook with just enough BTC to pay your own ransom [02:37]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu did you see piketty's letter about gw? [02:37]
mircea_popescu prolly not ? [02:38]
bounce another interesting task: figure out what the db really needs to be doing then find well-tested code that can do it [02:38]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/524843439331246081 [02:38]
assbot I was wondering when the rockstar economist Thomas Piketty would enter the climate debate... http://t.co/V2aOWzwWPQ http://t.co/vpt4SBE2w9 [02:38]
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pete_dushenski ^first link is for ft, second to photograb [02:39]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/TGgEW94.png [02:39]
nubbins` ben_vulpes therealbitcoin.org [02:39]
mircea_popescu ah, that guy. meh, whatever. [02:40]
nubbins` http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git [02:40]
* mircea_popescu couldn't give less of a shit about whatever "star" the ustardians have produced this week. [02:40]
mircea_popescu i might review what this guy has to say sometime in 21xx, maybe. [02:40]
mircea_popescu probably not. [02:40]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo paying your own ransom? [02:41]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i'd be highly surprised. [02:41]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well, if you can. [02:41]
BingoBoingo Has wallet encryption. You can "given them your last penny" to the extent they can see it... [02:42]
BingoBoingo Paying one's own ransom as a protocol probably won't be perfected though until assbot's level 1 consists entirely of nuclear powers. [02:43]
mircea_popescu jurov: wtf is "individual terrorist undertaking"? << basically, what you're doing here. [02:44]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo a yes, the $900k coin! [02:45]
BingoBoingo "Data Center that can't be disconnected" from a safe range [02:45]
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mircea_popescu chetty incidentally, the french are also building their own gulag, huh [02:45]
BingoBoingo After that we just need a few super mutants and then New Reno [02:45]
mircea_popescu bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us." << it won't work. [02:46]
BingoBoingo Nah, they are just aping the us like the monkeys those frogs really are [02:46]
mircea_popescu france is dead, notjust ot them, to everyone. [02:46]
mircea_popescu bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you. << how else do you expect the shithole to be fixed ? [02:47]
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mircea_popescu "Three Colorado high school students may have been playing hooky so they could run away and join ISIS — apparently seduced by their twisted campaign of terror and hatred. The girls, ages 15, 16 and 17, never showed up to their Denver-area school on Friday because they were en route to Turkey via Germany," <<< much better chicks than any "feminist" or w/e. [02:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: White kids from ladue studying with Black kids from Ferguson and North City? [02:48]
mircea_popescu these are the generation leaders. [02:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00073881 = 8.3752 BTC [+] {2} [02:49]
BingoBoingo Oh invoking ISIS raises MPOE? [02:49]
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mircea_popescu lol [02:50]
BingoBoingo !up AdamIRAway [02:50]
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mircea_popescu apparently you can void passports for truancy now, in the bestest america. [02:50]
undata you can void life without due process; what's a passport? [02:51]
BingoBoingo You can apparently void passports for angry county courts in Usia [02:51]
mircea_popescu undata the same obnoxious farts that create this "passport" that means no rights are also wondering why even a teenager if she has any sense wants to bomb them off the planet. [02:52]
mircea_popescu year, really, i wonder why the fuck is it that the best kids that the us can produce want to go help isis burn the whole world. [02:52]
mircea_popescu it certainly couldn't be because the world sucks, right ? [02:52]
undata mircea_popescu: that's that suicidal streak I was talking about [02:53]
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undata US culture is as ready to kill itself as the rest of the world is to help it do so. [02:53]
mircea_popescu othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish? <<< medium is, essentially, the sort of venue created to give the impression of a #b-a to the 99% idiots who can't tell the difference. [02:54]
mircea_popescu so as to create the illusion that there's no actual support for simple stuff like "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground." [02:54]
mircea_popescu i forget what this is called in us politics, but o yeah, "splitting the vote" [02:55]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no? << lol! the whole city would've emptied in '92 or even earlier, if this were so. [02:56]
mircea_popescu but... wait dude. [02:56]
mircea_popescu you were born there. what more ? [02:56]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground." << now here's a radical concept. probably the same one that was invoked at parliament hill today [02:57]
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jurov mircea_popescu: odessa changed country meanwhile [02:58]
pete_dushenski i'm off to watch grown ass men with skates chase a black disk around a frozen pond. enjoy your eve b-a! [02:58]
* BingoBoingo impressed that Argentine citizenship merely requires two years residence and an income, true land of the free [02:58]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski I think the game was postponed [02:59]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:59]
jurov !s asciilifeform passport [02:59]
assbot 35 results for 'asciilifeform passport' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform+passport [02:59]
jurov !s asciilifeform russian passport [02:59]
assbot 5 results for 'asciilifeform russian passport' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform+russian+passport [02:59]
kakobrekla and thats how doxing is done [02:59]
mircea_popescu jurov oh i see [02:59]
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jurov !dox asciilifeform [03:00]
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assbot !s asciilifeform russian passport [03:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you were born there. what more << ussr kaput [03:01]
mircea_popescu so ? still automatic citizenship!11 [03:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: naive idea. they unplugged this, to avoid ru proper being swamped with the entire contents of kazahstan, ua, baltics, all the provinces [03:02]
mircea_popescu mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ? [03:03]
asciilifeform it was still swamped, against rules, and the people who did the swamping accounted for a large fraction of the bums which appeared during collapse [03:03]
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asciilifeform at any rate, even if herr putin mailed me a ru passport as perverse birthday present, fat lot of good that would do. need a lot more than a passport to leave the 'big zone.' [03:04]
jurov only hungary does not need to fear such swamping can do "if you had ancestors in Big Hungary 100yr ago, here's your passport" [03:05]
asciilifeform ireland, i think, too [03:05]
jurov *Great Hungary to label the delusion properly [03:05]
mircea_popescu finally done with logs o.O [03:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: congrats [03:06]
mircea_popescu jurov jews are similar. romania too. [03:06]
mircea_popescu pretty much everyone, really. germany definitely, if you were born there. [03:06]
mircea_popescu us citizens on army bases routinely get dual citizenship kids if they become pregnant and deliver [03:06]
asciilifeform i've been informed that the usual excursions where people take pregnant women to usa, have reversed. [03:07]
asciilifeform or maybe it was just orlov. [03:07]
undata canada will readmit children of a canadian citizen [03:07]
undata sadly I'm two steps removed [03:07]
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mircea_popescu i think the bar for thai citizenship is having sex with a trannie [03:08]
asciilifeform at any rate, no one is stranded in usa solely because of passports. [03:08]
BingoBoingo mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ? << I thought it was just Ubuntu that only made a user account they'd turn into a super sudoer [03:08]
asciilifeform one can buy passport [03:08]
asciilifeform just like one can buy freedom [03:08]
undata mircea_popescu: haaaa [03:08]
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jurov there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age [03:11]
jurov hope bitcoin will grow faster [03:11]
asciilifeform how does it increase with age? [03:12]
undata don't buy a bunch of garbage if you're headed out. [03:13]
* asciilifeform must have missed something [03:13]
jurov at 20 it's pretty much 0 [03:13]
asciilifeform undata: garbage can be packed into crates and shipped [03:13]
jurov then it goes up [03:13]
asciilifeform undata: if one must have it [03:13]
undata asciilifeform: yep, or that. [03:13]
undata jurov: I would say maybe leaving behind business contacts has a cost, but the internet solves that. [03:14]
undata and bitcoin solves getting paid by them [03:14]
BingoBoingo Buy truck, drive to panama, 4 digit number to move truck around the Darien last time I priced it. [03:14]
asciilifeform i guess there's the elementary fact that a 70 y.o. head of a firm cannot turn into a 20. y.o. apprentice again [03:14]
TheNewDeal rapeghost =?= rg [03:14]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Yes [03:15]
jurov TheNewDeal yes ==== [03:15]
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asciilifeform undata: the internet solves that << if only. [03:15]
undata depends on what kind of business then [03:15]
TheNewDeal finally serving my sentence [03:15]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Mine any news yet? [03:15]
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TheNewDeal let me run one by you [03:16]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Go [03:19]
TheNewDeal gotta keep it suuuper seektret [03:20]
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BingoBoingo lol [03:21]
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asciilifeform git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git <<<< wtf nonsense is this, that's 2014 bitcoind in there. [03:23]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: do you know who maintains that site? [03:24]
asciilifeform jurov? [03:24]
asciilifeform at any rate, imho git is entirely the wrong pill here. [03:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888734 [03:26]
assbot Logged on 22-10-2014 20:33:59; asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect. [03:26]
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asciilifeform static www hosting latest stable result of composition of gpg-signed patches from mailing list - yes, more yoga, but ultimately the Right Thing. [03:27]
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jurov yes, i just wanted to test, as it says [03:27]
asciilifeform git etc. is very tempting, sweet, yes [03:27]
asciilifeform but wrong for this occasion. [03:28]
BingoBoingo CVS ??? [03:28]
asciilifeform forsaking version control systems entirely! [03:28]
asciilifeform the only way to emphasize the gravity of submitting a change to bitcoind. [03:28]
jurov um [03:29]
jurov that could apply once we're close to the ideal [03:30]
nubbins` ^ [03:30]
asciilifeform nope. [03:30]
jurov or are we already? [03:30]
asciilifeform it's the only way to actually get somewhere with the old tub we have. [03:30]
jurov so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script [03:31]
asciilifeform the somewhere, incidentally, is a stable satoshi-based gizmo worth using as a base for rewrite (idk about other folks, i shall rewrite for my own pleasure if no one wants, once finished with current affairs) - and perhaps worth printing! [03:31]
jurov that will verify and apply them? [03:31]
asciilifeform suggested script. [03:31]
asciilifeform only really need stock gpg to verify. [03:31]
asciilifeform and pubkeys naturally [03:31]
asciilifeform jurov: also host a copy of the present state of the mailing list, perhaps [03:32]
asciilifeform static html. [03:33]
jurov yes [03:33]
asciilifeform since, at least in the mechanism i suggested, no message shall be ever published that is not signed, any reader can verify that the mailing list is authentic. [03:33]
BingoBoingo so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script << I actually imagined set of books for the core an annumal supplement book of refinemnts [03:35]
jurov with a patch to mailman? [03:35]
asciilifeform patch to mailman << why ? [03:35]
jurov to reject unsigned msgs [03:35]
asciilifeform aha [03:35]
asciilifeform yes, that's the only work-like part of this proposal, yes [03:35]
asciilifeform incidentally, anyone who wants to mirror the proposed mailing list, will be able to do so at his pleasure. [03:36]
asciilifeform instant anti-ddos pill [03:36]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere? [03:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what vintage? [03:37]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: I may be able to fulfill your order with nubbins` help [03:37]
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thestringpuller It would be leatherbound and you can also engrave [03:37]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: afaik it has not yet been decided what ought to be between the pages... [03:37]
thestringpuller a writer buddy of mine does bookbinding of journals as one of his fanatical things [03:38]
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asciilifeform i've bound an odd book here & there. [03:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 5.5 [03:38]
thestringpuller so once you figure that out, nubbins can do a good printing job [03:38]
nubbins` it's good exercise for the fingers [03:38]
thestringpuller and then you can send it here to have it bound [03:38]
nubbins` and an excuse to own a small hammer [03:38]
asciilifeform 5.5 is almost new [03:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 5.5 is the first version after I cared to get the physical CD's [03:38]
BingoBoingo 5.6 comes out next month [03:39]
* danielpbarron got 2 copies of 5.5 from 2 different sources [03:39]
* asciilifeform is presently engaged in trying to collect the smallest (bitwise) possible bsd+gcc+etc combo that will build bitcoind 0.5-0.6 [03:39]
asciilifeform cross-compilation for linux/x86 [03:40]
danielpbarron and by copies i mean cd sets [03:40]
jurov i'll look into the mailman [03:40]
asciilifeform my present emulation, incidentally, is not to have network access [03:41]
asciilifeform controlled through (emulated) serial tty. [03:41]
asciilifeform and this, imho, is proper. [03:41]
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nubbins` nice [03:43]
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* BingoBoingo doesn't know if OpenBSD plus userland can be stripped to 1 FDD... [03:44]
decimation asciilifeform: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs [03:44]
bounce don't think so. [03:44]
bounce there's picobsd or nanobsd or whatwasit [03:44]
bounce for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser [03:45]
BingoBoingo bounce: Many of those abandoned, poor rng and gcc as FreeBSD derivatives [03:46]
bounce decimation: which three are you proposing? [03:46]
BingoBoingo for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser << QNX that Blackberry thing? [03:46]
bounce qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed [03:47]
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BingoBoingo bounce: I imagine BitcoinNetwork, BitcoinBlockhandler, BitcoinWallet [03:47]
bounce they did a one floppy demo once (twice, there's the xmas edition) that let you boot a full graphical desktop plus browser [03:47]
BingoBoingo qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed << Indeed, but way for a decent RTOS to ruin the last Mobile OS [03:47]
bounce oh c'mon with the quoting [03:47]
BingoBoingo What there's a temporary Vag shortage so queefing is out of the question [03:49]
bounce well yeah I'm not too happy bb bought it up, no matter how good it'd be for them. qnx was a bit floundering though, that with everyone running off to leen0x and no real hardware incentive for what makes qnx special. just throw more hardware at the problem and it's sorted. (the beancounters think) [03:50]
decimation 1.) blockchain gather/relay 2.) transaction accumulate/relay 3.) blockchain database 4.) own transaction receive/generate 5.) wallet crypto [03:50]
bounce then again, bb is floundering too. won't be the first time some company buys up something good for a bout of fleeing forward, goes down anyway and takes the good with it [03:51]
BingoBoingo bounce: Well worse is when the company buys a floundering product and hides it to success like Intel did with DEC ALpha [03:52]
asciilifeform decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! [03:52]
asciilifeform bounce: floppy << not for the whole orchestra, no. gcc alone, think! but to get minimal skeletal userland. [03:53]
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bounce switch to a smaller cc first? :-p [03:53]
asciilifeform fabrice bellard's tinycc would be neat, but no cpp. [03:53]
asciilifeform and satoshi crapped out cpp and used cpp-dependant dependencies. [03:53]
BingoBoingo Boost is a bitch [03:54]
asciilifeform if someone wants to try building a cpp preprocessor using tinycc - be the hero, yes. [03:54]
joecool BingoBoingo: bb10 is not that bad, come on [03:54]
bounce boost is a bit ludicrous, even for the c++ course [03:54]
mircea_popescu there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age >> it does ? why would it ? [03:54]
BingoBoingo joecool: BB9 was perfect for what a person could expect out of a mobile turd os though [03:54]
asciilifeform ^ i did point out. [03:54]
bounce why'd you want to distribute the cc if you're going to distribute binaries? [03:54]
BingoBoingo bounce: So people can reproduce binaries [03:55]
asciilifeform bounce: we were discussing an ideally-portable and self-contained distributable build system. [03:55]
bounce then split it in a full build-everything-from-source thing and a shrunk binary-only thing [03:55]
asciilifeform that never pulls - anything - off the net on its own accord. [03:55]
joecool BingoBoingo: 9? did you mean 7? [03:55]
asciilifeform shrunk binary-only thing is the binary. [03:55]
bounce full source is never going to work on a floppy, unless you can make xor compression work [03:55]
asciilifeform any of the 29 (?) magickey holders can make you one & sign it [03:56]
asciilifeform i explained the floppy [03:56]
BingoBoingo joecool: Whatever came before 10 and had wifi calling and the vibrating dildo function [03:56]
asciilifeform even the source doesn't fit on floppy [03:56]
bounce probably flew me by, sorry [03:56]
joecool BingoBoingo: i dunno, 10 still has that too [03:56]
mircea_popescu instant anti-ddos pill << this is like saying that because anyone can wget -m qntra.net that's an anti ddos pill [03:57]
BingoBoingo joecool: But 10 doesn't work on preferred hardware. [03:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it would be, if it were simple to mirror. and every post signed. [03:58]
asciilifeform and presuming folks wanted to. [03:58]
asciilifeform need both the will and the way. [03:58]
cazalla i got a response from paydici if anyone was interested in yesterdays article http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitpay-to-assist-paydici-to-enable-bitcoin-based-recurring-billing/ [03:59]
assbot BitPay To Assist Paydici To Enable Bitcoin Based Recurring Billing | Qntra.net [03:59]
asciilifeform qnx << a very interesting item, and i loved playing with it when young, but it was inevitably bulldozed by the age of no-you-can't-make-money-selling-close-os-unless-you-re-apple-or-microshit [04:01]
asciilifeform *closed [04:01]
asciilifeform or, one might add, green hills corp. [04:01]
asciilifeform whose owner invented 'linux fud' ! [04:02]
asciilifeform (their entire business model consists of 'we're rather like linux, but closed-source and nsa-approved, one hundred percent Aryan') [04:02]
bounce so qnx lacked military connections and dishonesty to succeed [04:03]
asciilifeform actually it had connections, and, afaik, still runs on various 'if they told you they'd have to kill you' hardware - but not a going concern [04:04]
asciilifeform at any rate: [04:05]
asciilifeform there is nothing magic about qnx. [04:05]
asciilifeform it is only less of a turd than other unix-likes because: [04:05]
asciilifeform there's less of it. [04:05]
asciilifeform (bitwise) [04:06]
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asciilifeform therefore closer to 'fits in head.' [04:06]
asciilifeform about similar (in conceptual 'weight' rather than design!) to the unix described in 'lions book.' [04:06]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/julian-assange-bitcoins-blockchain-most-intellectually-interesting-development-in-the-last-five-years/ [04:06]
assbot Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net [04:06]
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asciilifeform http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184.000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death.html << more interesting. [04:09]
assbot Did bubonic plague really cause the Black Death? - health - 24 November 2001 - New Scientist [04:09]
BingoBoingo Oh Today's World Series game is competitive [04:10]
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BingoBoingo Fuck Hunter Pence looks like an extra from Breaking Bad, methed out motherfucker [04:12]
asciilifeform 'They are not the first to blame Ebola for an ancient plague. Scientists and classicists in San Diego reported in 1996 that the symptoms of the plague of Athens around 430 BC, described by Thucydides, are remarkably similar to Ebola, including a distinctive retching or hiccupping. Apart from that, many of the symptoms of that plague- – and one in Constantinople in AD 540 – -were similar to the Black Death.' [04:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Familiar with Hanta or any other new worls scourges? [04:12]
asciilifeform 'Eurasian hantaviruses can incubate for up to 42 days, but are not usually directly contagious between people.' (linked piece) [04:13]
BingoBoingo The New Reno region mircea_popescu wants to playground eventually as new world hantaviruses, keep your distance from the mice... [04:14]
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decimation qnx was fun. did they ever have a multiprocessing variant? [04:20]
decimation heh http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/sys_arch/smp.html#SMP " Symmetric multiprocessing addresses the issue by running only one copy of Neutrino on all of the system's CPUs." [04:21]
assbot QNX Developer Support [04:21]
BingoBoingo decimation: BB10? Think it was bigkernellock like OpenBSD though [04:21]
decimation the c-machine is a mistake, but ganging multiple c-machines was an even bigger mistake [04:22]
mircea_popescu cazalla the sorrow in that "That's about as close as you can get with BitCoin." is delicious. [04:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Cazalla as head of qntra was a gift that keeps giving. Dude knows tone. [04:24]
mircea_popescu Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net << for sure. [04:24]
decimation the implication being that assange has accomplished little with his derpcapade [04:25]
mircea_popescu comparatively less does not mean little. [04:25]
mircea_popescu it just means everyone else is drowning in their own shit [04:25]
cazalla mircea_popescu, the reminder emails will probably get bitpay flagged for spam too [04:26]
mircea_popescu nah, they probably paid the payola [04:26]
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mircea_popescu (the way "spam" works is you pay yahoo 100 bux or w/e, never get fglagged. dun recall right off what google is) [04:27]
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decimation assange and his crew struck me as a naive bunch whose position is "we want a loving mommy state" [04:28]
cazalla decimation, he is quite soft when it comes to shit like aboriginals [04:28]
decimation cazalla: interesting. what does that mean exactly? more welfare? [04:29]
cazalla more everything at cost to the tax payer [04:29]
decimation plus apologizing for forcing their children to go to school and beating them until they learned? [04:30]
mircea_popescu lol [04:30]
mircea_popescu you know if you dig deep enough everyone's going to have a bunch of idiotic notions. [04:30]
mircea_popescu best take people at their peak [04:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: All officers and directors voluntarily agreed to the Company's redemption of an aggregate of 12,750,000 shares of common stock for an aggregate payment of $2,491. In doing so, the Company will have further flexibility in continuing to strengthen its balance sheet and ultimately add shareholder value. << could you help me decipher what is going on here accounting wise? [04:30]
mircea_popescu they bought back their own stock ? [04:31]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> best take people at their peak << Great value of a WoT system as here has is you can know what their bottom is [04:31]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: that's what I thought but based on these numbers...($2491 for ~13mn shares doesn't add up to the published market value as it looks like the ask value is ~ 8 cents a share) [04:32]
mircea_popescu at any rate, that's what it should mean, regardless what they actuall did. [04:32]
cazalla decimation, that's already been done and now they want compensation, the abos want to live off the land but government is determined to stop them no matter how much it costs [04:32]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2,491 / 12,750,000 [04:32]
gribble Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. [04:32]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2491 / 12750000 [04:32]
gribble 0.00019537254902 [04:32]
thestringpuller ^- see? [04:32]
mircea_popescu does it say who it redeemed from ? [04:33]
thestringpuller http://investors.btcs.com/ << bottom of page has stock price [04:33]
thestringpuller nope [04:33]
thestringpuller just "it was redeemed" [04:33]
decimation cazalla: that's pretty much how it works in the us and canada too [04:33]
mircea_popescu yeah well, basically, this is a disguised gift of stock from directors / interested parties to company [04:33]
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mircea_popescu designed to increase per share value. [04:33]
mircea_popescu borderline fraudulent. [04:33]
thestringpuller okay that's what BingoBoingo and I thought. thanks for clarifying. [04:34]
cazalla decimation, they're not all bad, i had a good abo mate through school but once they hit 13, they just want to go lighting fires and breaking into corner shops etc etc sniffing a bit of 98 octane as well [04:34]
decimation they huff petrol? that's crazy [04:34]
mircea_popescu this idea that what people want matters as a universal... [04:35]
mircea_popescu who the fuck came up with this dumb shit. [04:35]
BingoBoingo Fuck this World Series [04:35]
cazalla yeah, they lock the bowser at some petrol stations because they come in with a jerry can, fill up and leave without paying [04:35]
decimation I have a friend who works in a hospital indian health service (branch of usg). she says the majority of us indians are drunks [04:35]
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mircea_popescu decimation so are the majority of irishmen [04:35]
decimation ironically the irish got their own 'independence' [04:36]
cazalla basically, if ever confronted with violent aboriginal in australia, pop ya petrol tank cap and tell him "good sniff bro" [04:36]
decimation lol [04:36]
* mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline [04:37]
BingoBoingo I feel gypped, the Kaufman stadium fountains appear to be off. [04:38]
BingoBoingo This is nothing like Ken Griffey Jr presents Baseball [04:38]
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kakobrekla as promised i have setup a mirror for ze logs - http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com - hosting for the mirror gratuitously provided by mircea_popescu [04:39]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log - mirror 1 [04:39]
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mircea_popescu gratuitously means pointlessly yo! [04:39]
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kakobrekla take it up with mp. [04:40]
cazalla mircea_popescu, here ya go, much safer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_%28fuel%29 [04:40]
assbot Opal (fuel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:40]
mircea_popescu Opal is a variety of low-aromatic << that'd be a problem [04:40]
decimation lol they used leaded gas before that? [04:41]
decimation that's crazy [04:41]
BingoBoingo Who didn't use leaded gas? [04:42]
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cazalla i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation [04:42]
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decimation even in the us that was gone by the 70's I think [04:42]
BingoBoingo For the hell of it I may or may not have driven a tank of leaded gas winter of 2006... [04:42]
decimation I guess the ban didn't go into full effect in the us until 96 [04:43]
cazalla actually, i just checked, phase out began 2000 and ended 2002.. good sniff that [04:43]
decimation people bitch because aviation gas in the us still has lead [04:43]
BingoBoingo decimation: Sh... let me kill a few more cat converters first [04:43]
joecool i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation < not in planes [04:44]
decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas#100LL_.28blue.29 [04:44]
assbot Avgas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:44]
joecool ^ [04:44]
decimation "It contains about one-half the TEL allowed in 100/130 (green), though the amount is about 4 times what was in pre-1975 leaded automotive grade gasoline." [04:44]
decimation so, if you live near an airport with small planes, you are being showered with organic lead [04:45]
mircea_popescu best tomatoes! [04:45]
cazalla joecool, i pray our aboriginals don't find this out or they might introduce TSA here [04:45]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/525066962121261057 [04:47]
assbot Video shows a man got onto White House grounds, was surrounded by Secret Service agents. Man literally punched a dog that ran at him. [04:47]
BingoBoingo best tomatoes! << We still have tomatoes ripening... [04:47]
TheNewDeal Anyone attempted to sell a call option on BTC for a cash trade. If so, how was it received by the other party? [04:48]
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cazalla got my tomatoes in a week or 2 back, pinched off a bunch of laterals this morn [04:49]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: Our plants started ripening in late july and we still have new tomatos... [04:50]
cazalla would be nice to have home grown ones in the winter [04:51]
cazalla july being middle of winter here [04:51]
BingoBoingo July's normally peak summer here, but... we never get consistent weather [04:52]
thestringpuller cazalla: july being middle of winter here << the joys of the southern hemisphere [04:53]
Pierre_Rochard I’m looking forward to the new foundation & its ‘fork’ [04:55]
mircea_popescu me too! [04:56]
decimation it turns out that the pilot of the 'zombine plane' that flew over cuba and crashed had asked the usg air controller for a lower altitude twice http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/doomed-tbm-900-pilot-twice-asked-lower-altitude [05:00]
assbot 403 Forbidden [05:00]
decimation he was flying the first production model of the tbm-900, a single-engine turboprop plane [05:01]
BingoBoingo Fuck this might be the most boring worls series [05:03]
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cazalla why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American [05:04]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Well, a lot of players are latin american [05:05]
mircea_popescu !up Evolyn [05:05]
-assbot- You voiced Evolyn for 30 minutes. [05:05]
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BingoBoingo The way the World Baseball classic works is usually the Whole United States gets beat by a small part of the US [05:05]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: No one questions that the Rabbitohs won the World Rugby championship... [05:08]
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BingoBoingo It is just hard thought to explain how perfect Kaufman is as a baseball stadium [05:10]
cazalla rugby? it's league! that would be like me saying softball is the same as baseball [05:10]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I thought league was realest rugby??? [05:10]
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cazalla nfi, i have not watched/played since i was a kid [05:10]
BingoBoingo And Union was the deviant sport [05:10]
nubbins` ;;google why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American [05:11]
gribble Derek Jeter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; World Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Boston Red Sox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [05:11]
decimation well there are a few canadian teams [05:11]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Fuck you, Canada still has a team. [05:11]
nubbins` why do they call it the world wide web if it does not actually have width [05:11]
nubbins` BingoBoingo we used to have two! [05:11]
decimation nor is really a web [05:12]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Blame Obbumer stealing a team for DC [05:12]
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decimation canada counts as a country sorta [05:12]
BingoBoingo ;;google nepal bitcoind doesn't sync [05:12]
gribble My bitcoin-qt client connection status and uptime at http://blockchain ...: ; Google Trends: ; Bitcoin Wallet - Android Apps on Google Play: (1 more message) [05:12]
* BingoBoingo actually would enjoy seeing Giancarlo Stanton playing Cricket [05:13]
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BingoBoingo !up bitspill_ [05:14]
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BingoBoingo !up bitstein [05:14]
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kakobrekla answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html [05:14]
assbot Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status [05:14]
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thickasthieves so no one uses higher than 7? [05:16]
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kakobrekla well i can see how mp would argue that one as yes [05:16]
decimation xbtfoundation.org is open [05:17]
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thickasthieves ew [05:17]
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decimation yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge [05:17]
decimation we are more official than you are! [05:18]
thickasthieves ISO certified domainz [05:18]
decimation hehe [05:18]
BingoBoingo Baseball is the best, because why in the hell is Billy Butler an athlete??? [05:18]
thickasthieves i watched every single red sox game for a couple seasons when pedro was the shit, then never watched again [05:19]
BingoBoingo thickasthieves: All I ask for in life is to see Giancarlo Stanton with a better team. Any team oher than the Marlins will do. [05:19]
thickasthieves all i ask for is Bo Jackson comeback [05:20]
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BingoBoingo SO old nao [05:20]
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thickasthieves hehe [05:20]
BingoBoingo Bo Jackson makes MP feel young [05:20]
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thickasthieves i think i might be same age as mp [05:20]
BingoBoingo Oh, Royal are winning now. [05:21]
BingoBoingo That mean Lorde is happy. [05:21]
thickasthieves so she can die now [05:21]
thickasthieves happy, that is [05:21]
BingoBoingo This is actually the person Lorde wrote "Royals" about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseNrUeSmXk [05:22]
assbot The George Brett Story - YouTube [05:22]
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BingoBoingo Mr. Pooped his pants in a casino, George Brett. [05:22]
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thickasthieves i had a lot of his baseball cards once [05:22]
BingoBoingo !u[ cardigm [05:22]
thickasthieves since he played with bo [05:22]
thickasthieves right? [05:23]
BingoBoingo I still do somewhere, maybe [05:23]
nubbins` kako so most people are using 0.3.x?! [05:23]
nubbins` c'est impossible [05:23]
thickasthieves i still have all my bo cards, my brother collected ken griffer [05:23]
kakobrekla myea [05:23]
thickasthieves griffey jr* [05:23]
BingoBoingo thickasthieves: Bo did have an especially dignified retirement [05:23]
thickasthieves he did better value wise, but now its all worth nothing pretty much [05:24]
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kakobrekla https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ [05:24]
assbot Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes [05:24]
kakobrekla some other charts [05:24]
kakobrekla with more modern version numbers [05:24]
kakobrekla lol [05:24]
thickasthieves such css! [05:24]
asciilifeform the non-classical version strings are interesting [05:25]
kakobrekla 31. /BTCXchange.ro:0.9.99/ (1) [05:25]
kakobrekla hehe [05:25]
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asciilifeform and what, for instances, is 'caesure:2014' ? [05:25]
asciilifeform or 'midascoin' ? [05:26]
thickasthieves versioning should start at 1000 and end at 0 [05:26]
asciilifeform !s kelvin versioning [05:26]
assbot 3 results for 'kelvin versioning' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kelvin+versioning [05:26]
thickasthieves heh! [05:26]
kakobrekla asciilifeform https://github.com/samrushing/caesure [05:26]
assbot samrushing/caesure GitHub [05:26]
BingoBoingo Versioning should be remove code Major++, add bullshit minor++ so M.m like 968.2 [05:27]
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thickasthieves so we agree to just not use versions [05:27]
kakobrekla that caesure seems to be around since 2011 [05:27]
thickasthieves just timestamps [05:27]
asciilifeform byte counts. [05:27]
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asciilifeform half-seriously, [05:28]
asciilifeform version == log2(bytecount). [05:28]
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asciilifeform caesure << uses 'shrapnel', mega-libraryturd. [05:29]
kakobrekla nfi what that is [05:29]
asciilifeform never heard of it until now [05:29]
asciilifeform and, unsurprisingly, openssl [05:30]
asciilifeform so no win really. [05:30]
kakobrekla o hey hetzner hosts 180 nodes lol [05:30]
BingoBoingo WILD PITCH, runners on 2nd and 3rd [05:30]
BingoBoingo Bottom of the 6th, two outs [05:31]
asciilifeform and what is 'statoshi:0.9.99'...? [05:31]
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asciilifeform or 'toxi' [05:31]
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BingoBoingo RBI DOUBLE, 5-2, Kansas city over San Francisco atm. 3.1 innings left [05:32]
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asciilifeform is there a chart of these sorted by hash/sec ? [05:32]
asciilifeform (yes i get that the number is '0' for most of the above list) [05:32]
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thickasthieves ;;ticker [05:33]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.02, Best ask: 382.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 382.49, 24 hour volume: 8029.65324351, 24 hour low: 380.0, 24 hour high: 388.83, 24 hour vwap: 384.099411335 [05:33]
kakobrekla o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts [05:33]
kakobrekla http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/security.html?20121910 [05:33]
BingoBoingo Home RUN, Royals now up 7-2 in the 6th, 3.1 innings left. [05:33]
thickasthieves getting ready to move, just not sure which way [05:33]
thestringpuller he's a child rapist now? [05:33]
kakobrekla 360 vuln nodes ? lol [05:34]
BingoBoingo Sorry, last two updates should read 3.2 innings left. [05:34]
asciilifeform uncommonly useless chart [05:34]
thestringpuller Oh wow. [05:34]
thestringpuller KC is bringing the pain. [05:34]
kakobrekla yeah well child rape is also useless, yet. [05:34]
kakobrekla wait [05:35]
kakobrekla those arent real time charts [05:35]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that's the bottom line: what are the high-hash miners using? [05:35]
kakobrekla : [05:35]
kakobrekla http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/ [05:35]
assbot Index of /programs/bitcoin/files/charts [05:35]
asciilifeform decimation: seems like a question that ought to be answerable, at least very approximately, without their cooperation [05:35]
decimation origin nodes of minted blocks? [05:35]
asciilifeform one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours [05:36]
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kakobrekla not sure if its enough to pinpoint version [05:37]
asciilifeform pinpoint - no. approximately tell if they're running hearn turd - yes. [05:37]
kakobrekla maybe [05:37]
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cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-fall-short-in-attempt-to-raise-10000-btc/ [05:40]
assbot Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net [05:40]
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cazalla this is just like when worm in rounders is asked how short he is and he responds "all the way" [05:40]
asciilifeform 10,000 btc << building a planet ? [05:40]
BingoBoingo I dunno about Yall, but I am watching Silicon Valley getting fucked with a frozen turd wrought of their own ethical lapses. [05:40]
asciilifeform ? [05:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The San Francisco Giants getting fucked by a team with a fraction of their payroll. [05:41]
Adlai did my gif get through earlier? https://i.imgur.com/srO11QN.gif <-- this may be the moment when i finally realized the importance of natural selection [05:42]
* asciilifeform confesses that he doesn't see anything whatsoever that may happen in a gladiatorial arena as 'silicon valley fucked' [05:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not Handegg so not really that gladatorial [05:43]
asciilifeform arena in the sense of reasonably strong containment [05:44]
asciilifeform what happens in - generally, stays in [05:44]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I can report here on it so copyrasta containment not that strong yet [05:44]
asciilifeform stays in - in the sense that not once have i ever seen any reason to give a damn about it [05:45]
BingoBoingo Ah, that is a different dilema. [05:45]
asciilifeform other than scientific curiosity, re: what fascinates various folks so much [05:45]
BingoBoingo Baseball fascinates me in how it seems to be the intersection of dice games and atheleticism [05:46]
BingoBoingo That's why I find it betable [05:46]
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BingoBoingo Also odd things happen in baseball over time. In 2010 people would call prank if you said Tim Lincecum warming up in the bullpen, but it is happening. [05:48]
* asciilifeform had to look up 'bullpen' [05:48]
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BingoBoingo Ah, I guess for context... back in 2010 Lincecum was called the "Freak" for seeming unnaturaly better than any other starting pitcher, but since then... He has more than regressed to mean... [05:49]
thestringpuller Braves fans are like that with Craig Kimbrel [05:50]
BingoBoingo Mastery of Bullpen usage was how Larussa got the Cardinals two world series wins, but nao... Mathenaging... [05:51]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Kimbrel is probably Sirian. [05:51]
asciilifeform ^ unique among just about all subjects, this remains 'greek to me' regardless of what i read. [05:52]
asciilifeform brain just won't digest. [05:52]
asciilifeform i had the rules of, e.g., baseball, explained to me - on more than one occasion - and promptly forgot the next day. [05:52]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah I'm that way with handegg and soccer [05:52]
thestringpuller Haha. BingoBoingo we should take asciilifeform to a baseball game. [05:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'd suggest playing the part of a Nationals or Baltimore Orioles fan next year, but given the proximity to District 1, dunno how you feel about anal probing [05:53]
thestringpuller Get him nice and drunk while heckling the pictures. [05:53]
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decimation I understand the general concept, but there are many subtle rules and concepts [05:53]
asciilifeform that's the catch really [05:53]
asciilifeform a great many cultural in-jokes and tidbits that seem obvious to a 'native' but utterly opaque to others. [05:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: By refering to Kimbrel as Sirian I mean as in from the Wasp, bowlegged with inhuman movements. Only way to describe the fucker. [05:54]
asciilifeform this plus a chronic lack of my being able to muster giving a rat's arse [05:54]
asciilifeform yes i get that part - the only thing [05:54]
asciilifeform i meant, the game in general. [05:54]
asciilifeform and american football. [05:54]
BingoBoingo Ah, well most 'Murican don't really get Baseball anymore unless their spanish is good. [05:55]
BingoBoingo American football is simpler though. DOn't break your spine before you sign an NFL contract is basically all of handegg [05:55]
asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTS-400 << interesting. turns out greenhills is not the only crown-approved turdphactory [05:56]
assbot XTS-400 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:56]
decimation does it meet 'common criteria' [05:58]
asciilifeform apparently. [05:58]
BingoBoingo Of the two 'Murican sports, "Football"is probably the one with the simplest rules to grasp. [05:58]
decimation BingoBoingo: except for all the subtle rules about when/where tackling is legal [05:59]
decimation that turn out to be randomly enforced in practice [05:59]
asciilifeform aha green hills is still the only 'eas6' (highest usg rank) os. [06:01]
BingoBoingo decimation: Sure, handegg regular gameplay changes every year nao and Baseball hasn't had a real change since the mound was lowered because Bob Gibson [06:01]
asciilifeform http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/products [06:01]
assbot Certified Products : New CC Portal [06:01]
decimation eal4 is a joke [06:01]
asciilifeform (what does this mean? largely, claiming to enforce the american scheme of 'security classifications') [06:01]
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asciilifeform and $maxint or so in lawyering [06:01]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah what it really means is that you sat through many gov't meetings [06:02]
asciilifeform and had the pedigree [06:02]
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asciilifeform certified aryan! [06:02]
decimation and got a note from stalin, etc [06:02]
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decimation I'm not sure how any c-machine can really be 'formally verified' [06:07]
decimation which is eal7 [06:07]
asciilifeform decimation: the whole concept of 'formally verified' is a scam. [06:07]
asciilifeform in any and all cases. [06:07]
decimation As I understand, the 'common criteria' eal levels are going away, in favor of even less objective scam-criteria [06:07]
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asciilifeform regardless of what kind of machine, and in what galaxy. [06:07]
decimation so it is easier for notes from stalin to be issued [06:07]
asciilifeform a physical machine is not a theorem. [06:07]
decimation for instance, if your logic was built with 74xx, how can you 'guarantee' fail-safe under all conditions? [06:08]
decimation you can't [06:08]
asciilifeform the notes will remain extremely easy for some, entirely impossible for others - to get. [06:08]
decimation who the hell knows what molten silicon will do [06:08]
asciilifeform just as intended. [06:08]
decimation yeah for instance if the chinese submitted an entry, no matter how open or impressive, it would never be adopted [06:09]
asciilifeform no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements [06:09]
asciilifeform all bets are off then. [06:09]
decimation yep [06:09]
asciilifeform one of the sad prices we paid when switched to digital computers is the inevitable forgetting that we are playing with physical machines, and not mathematical platonic forms. [06:10]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well, where does Vax still reign??? [06:10]
decimation BingoBoingo: I'm sure there are still vaxes running somewhere [06:11]
asciilifeform chinese << forget chinese. nothing i - a peasant - so much as breathed on - will ever be crowned 'eal'. [06:11]
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BingoBoingo decimation: They run the nuclear arsenal [06:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: theo de raadt has a microvax somewhere in his cellar [06:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why, want one ? [06:11]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah a few $mil will be 'required' one way or another [06:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off [06:12]
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BingoBoingo First priorities include ECC x64 machine [06:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik, the only remaining manufacturer of ecc-enabled amd (specifially) boards is 'tyan.' [06:13]
BingoBoingo Seems so, but I'll look a few years older and he same seems to hold [06:14]
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decimation asciilifeform: I think supermicro makes them too [06:19]
decimation aside from that you are stuck with hp, dell, etc [06:19]
asciilifeform amd dell? [06:19]
decimation yeah dell made amd servers for awhile [06:19]
decimation http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-r715/pd [06:21]
assbot PowerEdge R715 Rack Server Details | Dell [06:21]
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asciilifeform http://conelrad.com/godfrey_2.html << entirely unrelated to anything. except perhaps the 'satoshi warning' feature of bitcoind. [06:25]
assbot CONELRAD: Atomic Culture | Updates on the Arthur Godfrey Ultimate PSA Search [06:25]
xanthyos danielpbarron is live right now on http://www.donkdown.com/live-radio/ [06:26]
assbot DonkDown – Live Radio [06:26]
decimation 1960 usg might have been able to regroup and have some semblance of authority in case of major disaster. 2014 usg has no chance [06:31]
thestringpuller ^- is this why they make so many disaster movies about the USG going underground during a disaster and trying to reclaim power? [06:34]
decimation thestringpuller: yeah such movies are probably less fantastic than usg's hidden 'plans' [06:37]
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undata 1) hide underground 2) send the military into the cities 3) burn [06:38]
decimation what military? [06:39]
decimation if washington dc goes under, for instance, there is no us military [06:39]
undata it disappears? [06:39]
undata see: 1991 [06:40]
decimation it has no head, and the various pieces will find themselves suddenly having bigger priorities [06:40]
undata none of which will be keeping control of the continent? [06:41]
decimation who's control? I have no doubt that off-continent enemies will be taken seriously, but who's orders are they going to follow? Texas? [06:42]
undata the military would still have a chain of command absent civilian authority [06:43]
undata I don't think the head-body metaphor applies here [06:44]
undata more like giant slave and ankle-chain [06:44]
decimation 1.) "chain of command" orders military to 'crush' a city 2.) half the troops go awol, the other half are murdered by partisans 3.) "chain of command" no longer in command [06:44]
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undata the US military is immensely capable of holding cities [06:45]
undata "partisans" have no chance [06:45]
thestringpuller decimation: is right tho [06:45]
undata you guys are a bit wishful sometimes; I share the sentiment towards the us govt [06:46]
undata but I highly doubt any of you are going to like what follows if it falls [06:46]
thestringpuller definitely but without a function chain of command the army is going to fragment into multiple "militias" in a serious disaster [06:47]
undata a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work [06:47]
decimation I'm not interested in anarchy, but sometimes anarchy is interested in you... [06:47]
undata maybe in Rome [06:47]
undata things are much more organized now [06:47]
thestringpuller we like to think so, but who is really pulling the strings? [06:47]
undata I'll listen to the other view; go ahead [06:48]
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BingoBoingo undata: It's almost like you've been following none of our hobby projects we joke about. [06:49]
undata look, if you're going to present it as a given that the most effectively oppressive military complex on earth is about to disappear, you're going to have to justify that. [06:50]
decimation undata: think of it from the point of view of the lowly private. You are at Fort Hood, and wash dc is gone. Your commander has told you that the 'chain of command' has ordered you to 'take Dallas'. [06:51]
decimation there's no air support, because comms are down. The 'locals' mostly think that the state should decide how things are run, not some ex-bureaucrats. [06:52]
decimation things get ugly. a few bombs go off. You are ordered out of your apc into the city. [06:52]
decimation your friend is shot in the head, he calls for help, but the locals have already taken over the airport, no helicopters anywhere [06:52]
decimation what you gonna do? [06:53]
undata I think American's are cowardly enough that Dallas won't have to be taken. [06:53]
undata *Americans [06:53]
BingoBoingo undata: I'm just suggesting datacenter that can't be disconnected from a safe distance... [06:53]
undata if things start falling apart, they're going to beg for the first strong voice they hear to save them. [06:54]
undata and I think the military industrial complex will provide that voice for them [06:54]
undata when the jackboot ends up on the corner he'll have been welcomed by >50% [06:54]
BingoBoingo undata: But what if the Sirians offer that strong voice first! [06:55]
undata BingoBoingo: who? [06:56]
BingoBoingo ;;google Wasp pdf [06:56]
gribble Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps: ; Yellowjackets and Other Wasps - Washington State Department of ...: ; Paper Wasps - West Virginia University: [06:56]
thestringpuller i have the pdf [06:56]
thestringpuller http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf [06:57]
thestringpuller http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf [06:57]
BingoBoingo ;;google wasp eric frank russell pdf [06:57]
gribble WASP - Lone Wolf (122 pages) - White Aryan Resistance: ; Wasp (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; One man against a whole planet: Eric Frank Russell's Wasp | Tor.com: [06:57]
thestringpuller DAMN [06:57]
thestringpuller you beat me to it [06:57]
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undata I'll check it out. [07:00]
undata "White Aryan Resistance" really? [07:00]
BingoBoingo undata: Would you prefer I find the ISIS hosted version, they prolly have one... [07:00]
undata nah, I'm already on the list. [07:00]
decimation peterl hosted a text version [07:01]
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undata BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse. [07:05]
undata why wouldn't I expect Americans to choose their own Putin [07:05]
undata some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up [07:06]
undata *big [07:06]
BingoBoingo undata: Because 'Muricans share a weak soft language... [07:07]
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undata american putin doesn't look much like him [07:10]
undata he looks like reagan [07:10]
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undata "Grandpa, tuck us in and tell us ISIS wont ruin Christmas!" [07:11]
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asciilifeform a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish << where is soviet army ? [07:13]
thestringpuller ^- this point should have probably been mentioned earlier [07:13]
undata still there, rotting, but not gone [07:14]
undata and still very relevant to Russian life [07:15]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wasp << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#882545 [07:22]
assbot Logged on 18-10-2014 18:23:44; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network. [07:22]
decimation yeah 'wasp' doesn't work in anarchy [07:22]
decimation it needs a fragile paranoia-state [07:22]
asciilifeform all that 'wasp' without support can hope for, is [07:23]
asciilifeform ;;google solzhenitsyn axe [07:23]
gribble Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned - Goodreads: ; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: ; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message) [07:23]
asciilifeform it needs a fragile paranoia-state << these are not in any short supply [07:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But a Wasp with a poor support network also has a death wish... [07:23]
asciilifeform what's in short supply, is an 'earth' home to supply mr. wasp with containers, forged documents, etc [07:24]
undata wow, that's a quote. [07:24]
asciilifeform reading the tale, it is easy to forget that it is about a soldier, albeit an unusual one [07:25]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [07:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: what do you pay on average at your loper-os isp if you don't mind asking? it seems like a really cheap deal [07:26]
asciilifeform 1-5 usd/mo [07:26]
asciilifeform on avg. [07:26]
asciilifeform depending entirely on load [07:26]
decimation yeah I guess hosting static text is cheap [07:27]
kakobrekla yeah, asciis stuff is so quotable he could write directly into bash. [07:27]
asciilifeform except not [07:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo is just abuser of 'bash' [07:27]
decimation Did you write your own comment system? [07:27]
asciilifeform nah it's just an ancient 'wordpress' with all the crapolade ruthlessly burned out [07:27]
mircea_popescu ^ [07:28]
mircea_popescu this is getting to be more and more the way to go. [07:28]
asciilifeform what, didja think i actually did work on it [07:28]
mircea_popescu fucking scavenger culture. "o, nice car, is it the latest ford ? no, it's an old toyota civic with the crap thrown off" [07:28]
asciilifeform 'junkyard wars' [07:28]
decimation I guess I thought that anything written in php was exploited to death [07:28]
mircea_popescu no dude, php is a lot more stable than ruby bs, then the ruby crowd goes around bitching about php [07:29]
asciilifeform decimation: 'nearlyfreespeech' co. [07:29]
kakobrekla except not < i think you are the most common in bash say last 5 pages [07:29]
asciilifeform lol [07:29]
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mircea_popescu s/bash/come see stan saying weird shit/ [07:30]
kakobrekla !b 1 [07:30]
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mircea_popescu fuck. [07:30]
kakobrekla hehe [07:30]
decimation I guess php has had a 'trial by fire' as the lingua franca of web devel [07:30]
undata python isn't much better. [07:30]
asciilifeform trial by shitburial. [07:30]
mircea_popescu decimation no, moreover, php doesn't try to do much. literally, it's intended to process strings. [07:30]
mircea_popescu consequently, the incredibly idiotic shit it does is concentrated [07:31]
undata overgrown templating language [07:31]
asciilifeform (never heard of shitburial? it's when yer in a hole and they park a honeywagon, lead the pipe out, throw reverse gear, and... fill) [07:31]
decimation lol [07:31]
asciilifeform ^ from dream as a kid [07:31]
mircea_popescu decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge << a wedge ?! [07:31]
undata is metaphor comrade [07:31]
decimation mircea_popescu: it appeals to the un crapolade [07:32]
jacoblyles jespern Jezzz JimDowJones joecool joesmoe Jondo julles julmac jurov justusranvier [07:32]
mircea_popescu oh i see. meh. prolly jurov should just reg it to mess with people. [07:32]
decimation I already did :) [07:33]
mircea_popescu lol [07:33]
asciilifeform it's intended to process strings << incidentally - 'SNOBOL'. i invite folks to read about it. the idea of dedicated 'string processing' languages is rather old, and has not really gone anywhere 'snobol' hadn't gone. [07:33]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you may be old enough to recall the fucking relief php was back when ppl were stuck doining web-cgi [07:34]
asciilifeform patterns as first-class data type [07:34]
asciilifeform ehe. [07:34]
mircea_popescu you think the web is insecure now, brother... [07:34]
decimation turns out they were calling the buggy-as-hell bash then too [07:34]
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mircea_popescu you shoulda seen the days of c wrapped. [07:34]
mircea_popescu decimation o ya. [07:34]
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asciilifeform incidentally, technically we never left 'c wrapped' [07:35]
thestringpuller http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-shop-attempts-to-strengthen-shareholder-equity/ [07:35]
mircea_popescu decimation has it. "bash-wrapped c" [07:35]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" [07:37]
mircea_popescu (nobody actually said it, but I FELT IT!!!) [07:37]
asciilifeform alter string - elementary [07:37]
asciilifeform ask nodes their strings - also elementary [07:37]
* asciilifeform can't fathom what people argued about [07:38]
mircea_popescu we were arguing about power ranger braindamage uptake is like. [07:38]
mircea_popescu about how8 [07:39]
asciilifeform does anyone have a quick&dirty interrogatory battery for a remote 'victim' bitcoind node? [07:39]
asciilifeform as in, published [07:39]
asciilifeform if yes, could arrive at a kind of truth moment [07:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours <<< miner doesn't have to rely [07:39]
mircea_popescu and because of ddos, plenty of time miner doesn't rely. [07:39]
asciilifeform not replying - also information. [07:39]
mircea_popescu after a fashion. [07:40]
decimation subtle client strings, etc? [07:40]
asciilifeform if never replies, is it really a node ? [07:40]
mircea_popescu could be. [07:40]
asciilifeform in what way, then? [07:40]
mircea_popescu nodes can implement their own private ip allows. [07:40]
mircea_popescu if the right person asks, they answer. [07:40]
asciilifeform aha [07:40]
kakobrekla asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" < i can see how someone running v0.9 would set the string to 'ducky duck' but not v0.1. [07:40]
asciilifeform then arguably their external 'face' is the fellow in their private net who -will- talk to strangers. [07:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla now we're discussing psychology. [07:41]
asciilifeform and then interrogate him. [07:41]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu is that verboten here? [07:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's [07:41]
asciilifeform ehe here we kinda do more psychiatry than psychology [07:41]
mircea_popescu or w/e her name was. [07:41]
kakobrekla i guess my guess is better than sexygingers [07:42]
ben_vulpes forsaking version control systems entirely! << i cannot conscience this. [07:42]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: read why and then think again. ten times. [07:42]
mircea_popescu ima put kako in the bash nao [07:42]
kakobrekla bash dont wash [07:42]
mircea_popescu what was her name anyway [07:43]
mircea_popescu oh saffron. kay. [07:43]
decimation it's amazing that there isn't a version control system with embedded crypto signatures [07:43]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [07:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: conventional version control - for private dildonic pleasure. for project like bitcoin where any change whatsoever might sink a galaxy - no. [07:43]
mircea_popescu assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net <<< they shouldn'rt feel bad, minigames didn't manage 10k either. [07:43]
undata decimation: git pre-commit hook? [07:43]
asciilifeform no hidden formats [07:44]
asciilifeform sign (gpg, yes) a plain ascii patch set. [07:44]
asciilifeform with totality of info visible to naked eye. [07:44]
asciilifeform yes, the pluses and minuses. [07:44]
mircea_popescu cazalla btw shouldn't http://trilema.com/smg-ipo-succeeded-other-statements be in there ? [07:44]
assbot S.MG IPO succeeded. Other statements. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:44]
decimation I suspect git or whatever could be hooked to operate on such patches [07:44]
undata asciilifeform: the hidden format being the git db? [07:44]
undata it's relatively simple [07:44]
asciilifeform who the hell cares if it's simple [07:45]
asciilifeform will you read it? in person? [07:45]
undata yeah [07:45]
asciilifeform or let 'git' do its thing [07:45]
undata I've done extensive work with it [07:45]
asciilifeform every time? [07:45]
undata it's just a key-value store of hashes [07:45]
asciilifeform why use 'git' then [07:45]
asciilifeform if you won't let it chug [07:45]
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mircea_popescu i don't think you two are discussing the same discussion. [07:45]
asciilifeform ^ [07:46]
undata asciilifeform: you're saying "what if git tainted my commit"? [07:46]
undata that's easily discovered [07:46]
asciilifeform no. [07:46]
asciilifeform that's not it at all [07:46]
undata then I'm off base; what were you saying? [07:46]
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asciilifeform that the entirety of everything submitted by a contributor must be signed, every time, with his gpg key, and this fact be visible to the naked eye at all times [07:47]
asciilifeform naked eye means - no tools other than apparatus capable of displaying ascii text - plus one which can verify signature. [07:47]
undata I don't see why that's a requirement, but ok [07:47]
ben_vulpes base plus patchlist? [07:47]
undata ascii isn't the only format that's "right there for your eyes" [07:48]
asciilifeform pray tell what else [07:48]
undata I could show you every bit in my git db easily [07:48]
asciilifeform can i 'cat' it to my line printer? [07:48]
asciilifeform unchanged? [07:48]
mircea_popescu well ok, it could also be sung, or whatver. anyway, the central idea here is the signing. [07:48]
undata these are bizarre requirements [07:48]
asciilifeform no. [07:49]
undata you could sign via git hooks [07:49]
mircea_popescu undata you could sign via git hooks [07:49]
mircea_popescu similarly, you could sign via a website that has your pubkeys [07:49]
mircea_popescu would you ? [07:49]
asciilifeform i don't actually care if he signs via hook to his toilet flush lever [07:49]
ben_vulpes name of the game being dependency minimization. [07:49]
asciilifeform but i - won't. [07:49]
decimation the important part isn't the signature, it's the code [07:49]
mircea_popescu wait what ? [07:49]
asciilifeform ! [07:49]
mircea_popescu without signature, there's no code. [07:49]
mircea_popescu just a collection of shit someone crapped out. [07:49]
undata ben_vulpes: sure, that's a fine value, but every time someone tries to reinvent VCS, they either produce something terrible or git [07:49]
decimation of course you validate the signature [07:50]
ben_vulpes undata: git can be used for development [07:50]
ben_vulpes that's not a problem [07:50]
asciilifeform use git for private dildonic pleasure. or for playing with friends. i do. [07:50]
ben_vulpes but for releases, history of changes to bitcoin x [07:50]
mircea_popescu undata that's kinda why this is not the same discussion. you're thinking of the scratchpad. they're talking the exhibition. [07:50]
undata that makes more sense. In that case yes, I could see a very simple tool for auditing, signing, then releasing [07:51]
mircea_popescu right. [07:51]
mircea_popescu fuck, people use email to this day to exchange code. [07:51]
decimation I think people are complaining more aboug github than git [07:52]
asciilifeform i was hoping to rationally convince people that the totality of the project ought to be the mailing list, the totality of the mailing list ought to consist of gpg-signed ascii text, and that this includes patch sets - which, collectively, add up to the product. [07:52]
mircea_popescu can you intercept x's email for y, change subtly, release ? sure. [07:52]
mircea_popescu "nobody could be bothered to do that" [07:52]
undata mircea_popescu: I use the same for code review, even if it's a matter of emailing myself [07:52]
mircea_popescu sure. [07:52]
mircea_popescu until it becames a case of "we will hang whoever made this one byte error in bash" [07:52]
decimation asciilifeform: isn't the linux kernel still done this way? [07:52]
mircea_popescu then suddenly people discover that... wait... ?!!?!?! [07:52]
asciilifeform linus uses some turdolator or other [07:52]
mircea_popescu nah its email [07:52]
asciilifeform 'bitkeeper' ? [07:52]
* asciilifeform behind the times [07:52]
decimation nah he wrote git to ditch bitkeeper [07:53]
asciilifeform aha. [07:53]
decimation but I know they discuss important patches on the kernel list [07:53]
asciilifeform well there's the answer. [07:53]
asciilifeform not plain text. [07:53]
undata you can extract a nice looking patch from git, and even email it from there [07:53]
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asciilifeform and do all the linux contributors sign? i do not recall this being required [07:53]
mircea_popescu not rly. [07:53]
decimation Good question [07:53]
asciilifeform can extract != must exist canonically in that form [07:54]
undata asciilifeform: I'm saying it can provide the input to your envisioned system [07:54]
undata even automatically... via a hook. [07:54]
asciilifeform who even cares how each of us craps out his input [07:54]
undata anyhow, horse is starting to stink [07:54]
asciilifeform question is re: the canonical form. [07:54]
asciilifeform no, this horse is alive and well. [07:54]
* asciilifeform realizes that he is not very good at curing people of addiction to what feels to them as 'modernity' [07:55]
decimation asciilifeform: the bigger question is: who is the 'registrar' of the 'official version' - or does that merely exist in the private collection of each person's note? [07:55]
undata asciilifeform: explain; I'll listen. [07:55]
asciilifeform official version, if you like, is one (if any) that we (magic-29?) all agree to sign under. [07:56]
ben_vulpes anyhow, horse is starting to stink << what is this a reference to? [07:56]
undata ben_vulpes: dead horse, beaten [07:56]
ben_vulpes m ah [07:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, "official version" is redefined from * this (static) to whatever one has most wot trust towards. [07:57]
asciilifeform in practice, the only possible result [07:57]
mircea_popescu so if version x is signed by people i know and version y is signed by people i don't know, x is official and fu. [07:57]
decimation right, it's in the 'eye of the beholder' [07:57]
mircea_popescu exactly. [07:57]
asciilifeform if 10 sign one, but never other, and 19 (plus ninjasp4mz0r) sign the remaining - clearly schism. [07:57]
undata mircea_popescu: interesting, a fork could emerge due to a breakdown of trust [07:57]
mircea_popescu no such thing as "official" "because we say so". who;'s we. [07:57]
undata that fits the social happenings well [07:57]
mircea_popescu undata more properly said : every breakdown of trust is a fork [07:57]
asciilifeform 'we's are illusory [07:57]
mircea_popescu rather than papering over breakdowns of trust with "foundations" and "chief scientistdom" [07:58]
mircea_popescu and this puts huge pressure on trusted nodes not to break the fucking trust [07:58]
decimation undata: no one here really minds having a different opinion than 99.999% of humanity [07:58]
mircea_popescu which is essential, because our enemies are putting a lot of pressure on them to break it [07:58]
undata my main thrust is that the thing will have to be structured in some way (a db) [07:58]
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mircea_popescu and you can't just expect "conscience" to resist indefinitely. [07:58]
undata doesn't have to be git [07:58]
ben_vulpes no db necessary [07:59]
asciilifeform at any rate, the fact that no one could really directly profit (imho) from this escapade - other than devils, were they to succeed - should keep things interesting [07:59]
ben_vulpes or rather [07:59]
mircea_popescu conscience is fluid. look at Luke-Jr's conscience : he lied about bfl delivering. look at gavin, etc. [07:59]
undata it could be a fancy db implemented atop the blockchain [07:59]
mircea_popescu whenever people's conscience is the only protection, the third reich is about to emerge. [07:59]
decimation asciilifeform: right, I envision it more as the collected correspondence of gentlemen scholars, rather than a profitable venture [07:59]
ben_vulpes undata: staaaahp [07:59]
mircea_popescu decimation yes. but actual gentlemen, rather than presumed gentlemen. [08:00]
mircea_popescu ie, people with titles. [08:00]
undata ben_vulpes: piles of ascii no, never, please no [08:00]
asciilifeform collected correspondence of gentlemen <<<<< [08:00]
asciilifeform undata will feel better if we 'gzip' them? [08:00]
asciilifeform then no longer piles of ascii. [08:00]
decimation folks are welcome to publish, index as they see fit [08:01]
undata I yield the balance of my time, haha [08:01]
mircea_popescu lol [08:01]
mircea_popescu i dunno what the hatred of ascii is from anyway. [08:01]
asciilifeform comes from, as i understand, 'xml' and other pseudo-humanreadable abominations [08:02]
mircea_popescu more like utf-8 i thought [08:02]
undata no, git is a distributed database [08:02]
undata not merely a format [08:02]
* asciilifeform is not ignorant of 'git' mechanics, uses it (sadly) every day [08:02]
asciilifeform as in, 7 days a week. [08:03]
cazalla mircea_popescu, where the facebook page and mockups for that?!? [08:03]
mircea_popescu lol [08:03]
cazalla maybe they meant to raise 50k facebook likes instead [08:04]
ben_vulpes i think then this discussion is settled. [08:04]
ben_vulpes there will be a base. [08:04]
mircea_popescu lol [08:04]
ben_vulpes signed patches will released. [08:04]
ben_vulpes decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! << for the record, what are the three and which the one? [08:05]
asciilifeform which one - the one that actually 'bitcoin'ates [08:05]
asciilifeform the one which menstruates guilade - flush it [08:06]
ben_vulpes what is the bitcoinating? the part that attaches to the network, downloads and verifies the blockchain? [08:06]
asciilifeform the unspeakable cthonian horror that remains - why even think of it [08:06]
mod6 asciilifeform: i like the idea of a cypherpunk-esq mailing list to propagate patches from a common release. [08:06]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the part that actually enables the things we like to do with the damn thing [08:07]
asciilifeform bitcoinate. [08:07]
mod6 this hasn't been done for some time, and probably needs to come back. [08:07]
asciilifeform it is the only way. [08:07]
* mod6 gets ready to fire up mutt! [08:07]
decimation asciilifeform: wouldn't it be a good idea for the privkey need not live in the same memory space as the rest of the code, for instance [08:08]
ben_vulpes decimation: a fantastic idea. [08:08]
ben_vulpes wallets should be built atop bitcoind or equivalent. [08:08]
asciilifeform decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines [08:08]
asciilifeform connected with serial cable [08:09]
decimation aye [08:09]
decimation perhaps with a protocol validator in the middle [08:09]
asciilifeform but it - is not the topic [08:09]
asciilifeform topic was janitorial upkeep of classic bitcoind [08:09]
mircea_popescu connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ? [08:09]
asciilifeform wait this was in there? [08:10]
mircea_popescu long long ago, in a galaxy far far away [08:10]
mod6 COIN WARZ [08:10]
mircea_popescu back when there weren't any enemies listening in on our lists [08:10]
mircea_popescu mpex was almost discussed [08:10]
asciilifeform it's an obvious idea, srsly [08:10]
asciilifeform or just to me [08:10]
mircea_popescu it is yes [08:10]
asciilifeform logic is one for all of us. [08:11]
asciilifeform like victory. [08:11]
* asciilifeform wonders if his entire life is alive somewhere in old mpex material. [08:12]
mircea_popescu the disadvantage of productivity is that it's 5am and the log is closing in on 1k lines. and yest it was nearly 3k. and jesus god it's a lot harder to go through when it's not mostly my own lines! i had no idea! [08:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, im sure that's not the case, i never cut solid copper anythings. [08:13]
asciilifeform lol [08:13]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: welcome to my hell. [08:13]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes cause normally i'm like, oh, logs, fancy that. but past few days it's been... omfg help me. [08:13]
asciilifeform protocol validator in the middle << people don't seem to get this. 'secure' is not a gigantic mechanized orchestra of quis custodiet ipsos custodes. [08:13]
mircea_popescu ^ [08:13]
asciilifeform it is 'fits in head.' and a few other things. [08:14]
mircea_popescu mechanized orchestra is a particularly good metaphore. because it never existed. [08:14]
mircea_popescu WHY did it never exist ? [08:14]
asciilifeform i asked my father as a boy [08:14]
decimation well, quite simply because the failure rate would be too high [08:14]
asciilifeform 'why no compressor for the jazz band?' [08:14]
mircea_popescu decimation eeexactly. [08:14]
danielpbarron deadalus decimation Diablo-D3 diametric diana_coman dignork dnaleor_ DoctorBTC donpillou dooglus drawingthesun DreadKnight dub dxrt [08:14]
mircea_popescu !up deadalus [08:14]
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-assbot- You voiced deadalus for 30 minutes. [08:14]
* assbot gives voice to deadalus [08:14]
asciilifeform 'those trombones - how are they any different from pneumatic hammers!?!?' [08:14]
asciilifeform 'why must these poor musicians blow, strain their chests!' [08:15]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform did he give you a sex answer ? [08:15]
decimation dijkstra would have been a fan of 'fits in head' [08:15]
ben_vulpes cazalla: i was derping with a colleague about btc payment processing recently. the topic: how to ensure the payment processor (he who tells the taco-delivery mechanism to release tacos) gets paid? [08:15]
asciilifeform dijkstra actually believed in proofs [08:15]
ben_vulpes our solution: one of the few actual uses for M/N signatures. [08:16]
asciilifeform he lived in the last days of an age of proofs [08:16]
mircea_popescu i'm kinda reminded of the jews on toilet joke. "is this work ?" [08:16]
decimation yeah but he also pretty much admits they are unworkable practically [08:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually yes [08:16]
ben_vulpes funds sent to M/N address, both merchant and payment solution provider must agree upon processor fee and merchant share to disburse funds to each. [08:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't blame him. only way out of that one. [08:16]
ben_vulpes mind you, this is a pure-btc play. [08:16]
mircea_popescu otherwise it goes on forever, like the us puritan thought pattern. [08:17]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes seems dubious to me. [08:17]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the three man committee to split a buck ? [08:17]
ben_vulpes no, thy enlightenment please [08:17]
mircea_popescu o wow. [08:17]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo <<<< mechanized orchestra. required as that's my metaphor. [08:18]
assbot : - YouTube [08:18]
mircea_popescu so, me you and stan have to split a buck. i go : fuck stan, give me 50 cents i'll sign with you. [08:18]
kakobrekla there were to be two machines connected with serial cable < heh i have such setup with a buffer on the cable [08:18]
mircea_popescu you go to stan : hey listen, he's giving you nothing. take this 5 cents sign over to me. [08:18]
mircea_popescu basically it has no stable solution. [08:18]
mircea_popescu which is how and why the us political system does not work. [08:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074164 = 13.7574 BTC [+] {2} [08:18]
ben_vulpes what if there's no third? [08:18]
mircea_popescu then it's not m of n. [08:19]
cazalla so how long until bitpay pulls that shit on the merchant [08:19]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Problem with brass instruments is not strain on chest, but strain on face. [08:19]
mircea_popescu kinda why i don't think much of the entire "multisig" bullcrap. [08:19]
ben_vulpes lol wat [08:19]
ben_vulpes m=n [08:19]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no, n = 2 if there's no third. [08:19]
mircea_popescu shit. n = 1 is what i mean. [08:19]
ben_vulpes pardon? [08:19]
ben_vulpes both keys must sign for outputs to be valid. [08:19]
mircea_popescu myeah. [08:20]
ben_vulpes "either we agree, or nobody gets anything." [08:20]
asciilifeform that film - is precisely about that orchestra. [08:20]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes exactly. [08:20]
ben_vulpes okay, so my derpitude re: m/n aside, the thing has a stable solutino. [08:20]
mircea_popescu nop. [08:20]
ben_vulpes go on [08:20]
ben_vulpes please [08:20]
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mircea_popescu well i dunno what's missing ;/ [08:21]
mircea_popescu if i knew how to formalize this to be readily understanable for people i'd trilema it [08:21]
mircea_popescu but i have nfi. [08:21]
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asciilifeform no stable solution << [08:21]
asciilifeform ;;google ultimatum game [08:21]
gribble Ultimatum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What's the ultimatum game? - HowStuffWorks: ; Game Theory: The Ultimatum Game: [08:21]
mircea_popescu ^ [08:21]
ben_vulpes the incentives are aligned! merchant and payment processor must agree to get anything out. [08:22]
mircea_popescu you contradicted yursrlf lol [08:22]
mircea_popescu you just said they're at odds. [08:22]
mircea_popescu "the incentives are alligned! they're contrary!" [08:22]
* ben_vulpes weeps in ignorance [08:22]
mircea_popescu let's use sex, people think easier about sex. [08:23]
mircea_popescu suppose you're with a girl that doesn't wanna fuck you. [08:23]
ben_vulpes i was going for the wot [08:23]
mircea_popescu do you suppose her mother coming to your room and saying "neither of you is to leave here until you fuck" help anything ? [08:23]
decimation asciilifeform: that's a trippy movie [08:23]
ben_vulpes i'm not savvy to this story. [08:23]
mircea_popescu which movie ? [08:23]
ben_vulpes let's try the wot. [08:24]
asciilifeform movie << linked above [08:24]
ben_vulpes merchant and processor sign agreement that proceeds shall be divvied thusly. [08:24]
mircea_popescu i had a nice script to ignore youtube links ;/ [08:24]
asciilifeform 'Шкатулка с секретом' ~= 'box with secret' [08:24]
mircea_popescu NOW YOU BROKE IT [08:24]
asciilifeform lol [08:24]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you're going to do that why bother with m/n [08:24]
mircea_popescu just sign it from the beginning and be done with it. [08:25]
ben_vulpes insurance policy? [08:25]
decimation all this does seem to break down to something like "we want a computer to enforce a human language contract" which ain't gonna happen [08:25]
mircea_popescu dude. srsly ? [08:25]
mircea_popescu "insurance policy" ? "here's a car that doesn't work, and just to make sure, we welded to it a boat that also doesn't work" ? is this a way to live? [08:25]
mircea_popescu do something that works. [08:26]
ben_vulpes that's too big a leap for my tiny brain [08:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what's your favourite meal ? [08:27]
ben_vulpes boats and cars aside i think i get the "computer enforcement of human language contract" [08:27]
decimation asciilifeform: not far from you in luray, va there's a cave where some guy converted a stalactite/stalagmite gallery into an organ [08:27]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ojo de bife y vino [08:27]
ben_vulpes vino tinto [08:28]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ok, suppose the chicks ake you ojo de bife, but as an insurance policy they mix cheesekace in there. [08:28]
mircea_popescu just in case you don't like it, as it were. [08:28]
mircea_popescu this work ? [08:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube << that one's worth it. but you probably saw it. about same age as i did... [08:28]
mircea_popescu or do they both get spanked purple and "next fucking time do one thing and do it right" [08:29]
asciilifeform welded to a boat, also doesn't work >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2014#436318 [08:29]
assbot Logged on 04-01-2014 00:00:40; asciilifeform: re: 400: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the defective ones separately.' [08:29]
ben_vulpes https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1381361152/4761785.jpg [08:30]
mircea_popescu gr assets ? srsly ?! [08:30]
mircea_popescu ahh, the beauty of 64gb memory systems is that if they allocate 46gb they still have plenty left over. [08:33]
asciilifeform unless linux, and has to decide to not cache disk first. [08:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sane linuxes actually use the memory. or am i missing something ? [08:34]
asciilifeform (like many things in life, invisible and harmless until fails) [08:34]
mircea_popescu swap is 1.2/29.8gb used. [08:35]
asciilifeform i often ask folks to contemplate, when they soak up 64g, what that number really means [08:36]
asciilifeform and what unspeakably-dildonic luxury 64gB is [08:36]
ben_vulpes * mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline << various engineers went on red alert over a faint whiff of gasoline earlier today [08:37]
ben_vulpes "oh my noes i can feel my brain wilting all the way over here! a scent of gasoline! in the warehouse we rent! we're all about to keel over!" [08:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im running a sort of generational modelling thing i hacked together. this is my idea of fun. [08:37]
ben_vulpes silence and an absence of complaining ensued. [08:37]
lampelina Lee- ll los_pantalones Luke-Jr Lycerion [08:38]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes lol [08:38]
* asciilifeform was driving car, and smelled unexpected smell, took almost a minute to realize that it was it. and turned out to be next car's ruptured tank! [08:38]
asciilifeform went on like this for a few km. [08:38]
decimation good time for a car-b-q [08:38]
asciilifeform phoom. [08:38]
mircea_popescu carbeque :D [08:38]
ben_vulpes how was the scent moving with your vehicles?! [08:38]
asciilifeform both moved [08:39]
asciilifeform column [08:39]
asciilifeform generational modelling << genetic algo? [08:39]
mircea_popescu of sorts [08:39]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I know duct tape gets a bad rap around here, but... duct tape [08:39]
ben_vulpes but f-frictional losses? [08:39]
* asciilifeform secretly sins with genetic algos [08:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how does duct tape get a bad rap ? i used it for a sex act earlier today! [08:40]
decimation I was driving along i-95 once, saw a full carbeque in progress in the right shoulder. Three lanes over through rolled up windows the heat was uncomfortable on my face [08:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Apparelty people don't trust that it apperently comes in different qualities [08:40]
BingoBoingo !s duct tape [08:40]
assbot 19 results for 'duct tape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=duct+tape [08:40]
mircea_popescu !s abductape [08:41]
assbot 0 results for 'abductape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=abductape [08:41]
mircea_popescu a well. [08:41]
joecool decimation: i had a truck explode in front of me on i-78, driver got out just in time, bad spot too under an overpass [08:41]
mircea_popescu did you get thrown off road ? [08:41]
asciilifeform carbeque << 'and then they summoned me / to the 'special' division / and asked 'why did you not burn up with your tank?' / to them i answered / 'in the next attack,' / 'in the next attack,' / 'i promise, i'll burn up!' [08:41]
asciilifeform (rough translation, perverted version of ru ww2-era patriotic song) [08:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements << for pure wankeriferious interest : wouldn't supercooling it be a pill against all this ? [08:42]
asciilifeform against metastability? [08:42]
asciilifeform nope [08:42]
joecool mircea_popescu: opposite side, very strong heat, assuming the diesel is what caught [08:42]
ben_vulpes answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html << those colors. [08:42]
assbot Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status [08:42]
joecool not a bomb [08:43]
decimation if you were to fully extract the energy of a tank of gas going into your car at the pump, you would be getting about 22 megawatts [08:43]
asciilifeform what it even means. the fact that the two documented stable states of, e.g., flipflop (or even just inverter) are an abstraction. [08:43]
decimation Er, power, not energy [08:43]
asciilifeform think of a sheet of rubber with two dimples [08:43]
asciilifeform but in reality, there are not only two. there may be a third, and fourth, or rubber can even bend when the ball rolls on it. [08:43]
asciilifeform and make new pit to park in. [08:43]
mircea_popescu decimation mw-s only impressive for a second [08:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't the probability to find a metastable state roughlt linear with system energy ? [08:44]
mircea_popescu (at low energies) [08:44]
asciilifeform depends on system. [08:44]
asciilifeform but given example wasn't so bad, 'molten slag' is also a metastable state. [08:44]
asciilifeform just, not the only. [08:44]
asciilifeform mw - let's work out: [08:45]
decimation no, the main issue is poor timing [08:45]
asciilifeform your engine, let's say, 300kW [08:45]
decimation or reflections, etc [08:45]
asciilifeform nice car [08:45]
asciilifeform how many times faster the spigot pours, than your fuel pump? [08:45]
* assbot removes voice from deadalus [08:45]
asciilifeform multiply. [08:45]
asciilifeform 22mW is not unreasonable figure [08:45]
asciilifeform (how long it takes to fill your car? how long, on the road, to empty it?) [08:45]
decimation http://lanseybrothers.blogspot.com/2011/09/gas-station-pumps-energy-at-22.html source [08:45]
assbot The Lansey Brothers' Blog: The gas station pumps energy at ~22 Megawatts [08:45]
decimation 34.8 mJ * 10 us gal / 1 min [08:46]
asciilifeform like so. [08:46]
decimation this is one reason why batteries suck [08:46]
asciilifeform yes. [08:46]
ben_vulpes o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts << lulzy, what's the story on this? [08:47]
asciilifeform go find something other than chemical fuel that you can charge at 22 MW but won't discharge unexpectedly at 22 MW. [08:47]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off << lol what a plan for the future. [08:47]
asciilifeform hey about as good as mine. [08:47]
mircea_popescu you write for qntra ? [08:47]
decimation pumping gas is the same as borrowing about 2% of a reasonable nuclear generator [08:47]
asciilifeform nope [08:47]
decimation at 1 gigawatt [08:47]
asciilifeform (re: qntra) [08:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: qntra grows, I buy chickens and strange hardware. Nothing wrong with that. [08:47]
asciilifeform was re: plan. [08:48]
mircea_popescu decimation there's a reason civilisation is built on oil. [08:48]
asciilifeform my plan is to think of a plan once i have a plan to think of a plan. [08:48]
mircea_popescu ^ sounds like you should be on kickstarter. [08:48]
asciilifeform or, earlier, if i've something to work with [08:48]
asciilifeform lol [08:48]
BingoBoingo Chickens have strong foreclaws, powerful warriors for D.A.G. [08:49]
asciilifeform directed acyclic graph? [08:49]
asciilifeform or 'dirac angestun gesept' [08:49]
BingoBoingo The latter [08:49]
asciilifeform lol [08:49]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron o hey how did radio go. [08:49]
decimation re: metastability https://filebox.ece.vt.edu/~athanas/4514/ledadoc/html/pol_cdc.html [08:50]
assbot 1 Clock Domain Crossing [08:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Fear the avaians, but not for their flu. They know of their McNugget futures and choose otherwise! [08:50]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. incidentally this is why we can't really do asynchronous logic (e.g. muller's gate) on extant fpga. [08:50]
mircea_popescu undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain << this was recently in full display in the ukraine, and then later in iraq. except both ukrainians and iraquis are, as a stock, more resilient than the us guy. [08:51]
asciilifeform decimation: i even think i explained this very thing to someone here, once. [08:51]
asciilifeform long ago. [08:51]
mircea_popescu undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities <<< should be interesting to hear more of this. [08:51]
decimation yeah. digital circuits are not ideal 0/1 gates, they are analog computers [08:51]
mircea_popescu undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work << obviously not. it just starts working for me instead ? [08:52]
asciilifeform the digital computer is a beautiful dream. good and well, but you can't dream the dream without some 'meat' to dream it with. [08:52]
decimation the thing is, the us military only looks impressive because it has 'support' [08:53]
decimation in the same sense that the wasp guy did [08:53]
decimation without that support, and with dwindling oil supplies, what you gonna do? [08:53]
mircea_popescu undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse. << not after, honey. a decade after. that decade is important. [08:54]
mircea_popescu decimation generally high efficiency is obtained at the cost of high fragility. the jit system is a fine exampel of the principle. [08:54]
decimation aye [08:55]
mircea_popescu essentially to get "really good" at one thing you define a narrow thing to be good at. [08:55]
mircea_popescu then you end up engaged in the middle east trying to do another thing, [08:55]
mircea_popescu and everyone's pointing and laughing at your apparent inability, notwithstanding immense expenditure, not leat of all of your own god damned effort. [08:55]
decimation right, randomly destroy the support for the existing 'ability' and you see rapid nonlinear fragmentation [08:56]
decimation not graceful linear degradation [08:56]
BingoBoingo Predicted used for Deedbot: 1. Declarations of giving a fuck 2. Claiming swaths of US land 3. #b-a related corp financial statements [08:56]
mircea_popescu so yeah, if washington goes or stays is irrelevant, but if the obnoxious sissy faggots currently in the general staff are all raped and hanged the army will suddenly see its mission redefined much widerly [08:56]
mircea_popescu and in that redefinition it will signifcantly increase in strength. [08:56]
decimation without a single tank being moved [08:57]
mircea_popescu quite. [08:57]
mircea_popescu in fact, it wil happen not merely in spite of gas shortages [08:57]
mircea_popescu but because of gas shortages. [08:57]
mircea_popescu yugoslav army was not 1/6 as effectual as the same god damned units, except now commanded by the war criminals. [08:57]
asciilifeform folks who are not 'armchair general' scholars of nato idiocy may be surprised to learn the extent to which the entire edifice was built - still is built - to 'blow its wad' against ussr in no more than a 3 week period. [08:58]
undata mircea_popescu: I think we agree then. [08:58]
asciilifeform and then die [08:58]
asciilifeform of hunger, thirst [08:58]
asciilifeform boredom. [08:58]
mircea_popescu undata good to hear. [08:58]
undata I was arguing that "those piles of weapons" commanded by whomever will remain [08:58]
undata and likely operate without the freedom-loving layer of bullshit [08:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well yes, pretty much every single gi item has fulda fucking stamped on it. [08:58]
mircea_popescu invisible, yet present. [08:58]
asciilifeform operate - to guard col. ripper's shiny new harem and wineyard - yes [08:59]
asciilifeform to 'take dallas' - why? [08:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if memory is any guide, it will be more to settle wot disputes than anything. [08:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cousin spent 2005 - 2009 as an active duty Marine. Spent two years on a boat in blue water, "just in case" [08:59]
decimation my point is simply that there's no way the us military would be effective against its own people, it would fracture [08:59]
mircea_popescu harem does not need guarding, not in that context. btches know enough not to get messy at that juncture. [08:59]
asciilifeform harem as in physical structure [08:59]
mircea_popescu decimation doubt it. croatian military didn't "fracture". nor did serbian. [09:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it seriouslt doesn't need so much defense. would be smartasses are well shy [09:00]
asciilifeform many places will get things they don't strictly need. [09:00]
asciilifeform or think they need [09:00]
mircea_popescu sure. so they do today. business as usual. [09:01]
mircea_popescu no, i tell you, it'll be "colonel X of Y promised major Z of K delivery of m then reneged. who the fuck does he think he is ? charge!" [09:01]
mircea_popescu because if you don't charge might as well shave, oil up and go to the harem. [09:01]
asciilifeform basic point - what keeps col. x from turning his division on the white house, for shits & giggles? [09:01]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [09:01]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In Napoleon's army mustaches [09:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that his division is valuable and the wh is meaningless. [09:02]
mircea_popescu what should have kept hitler from digging the desert looking for the holy grail ? [09:02]
mircea_popescu sanity. [09:02]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's << boss you got a funny memory [09:02]
asciilifeform may well have perverse meaning to col. x [09:02]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes my memory's my best part! [09:02]
asciilifeform herr schicklegruber had a nonzero grail budget [09:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. perversity and sanity are unsisters. [09:03]
decimation right, but what does general y have to say about what col x. does? [09:03]
asciilifeform by some accounts [09:03]
BingoBoingo decimation: Various general were replaced by cigarette smoking men in suits [09:03]
asciilifeform today - col. x won't blow away wh because he has an imaginary retirement with hunting dogs and cocksuckresses living in the spiderwebby recesses of his balding skull. [09:03]
mircea_popescu ha! hahahah get out. [09:04]
asciilifeform tomorrow - the spiderwebs clear away. no dogs [09:04]
asciilifeform no retirement. [09:04]
decimation my point is that col. x is much more likely to appoint himself 'mayor of dallas' and send a polite 'fuck you' to the remaining chain of command [09:04]
mircea_popescu find me any army colonel that gets... cocksuckressES. plural ? gtfo. [09:04]
asciilifeform in his mind. [09:04]
mircea_popescu what was that caricature, army wife ? [09:04]
mircea_popescu dependosaurus ? [09:04]
BingoBoingo ;;google dependopotamus [09:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just a picture read from the faces of actual living specimens i saw alive [09:04]
gribble Urban Dictionary: Dependopotamus: ; 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog: ; Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog: [09:04]
BingoBoingo ;;google terminal lance dependopotamus [09:05]
gribble Terminal Lance #56 “Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus”: ; Sunday Funny: the Dependopatamus | Kit Up!: ; overview for magress - Reddit: [09:05]
ben_vulpes why do dependopotamuses have sex in the water? [09:05]
asciilifeform dependopotamus is a real creature which infests privates, not colonels. [09:05]
asciilifeform typically. [09:05]
mircea_popescu generally the hussies flock to the businessmen rather than the warlords. at least from what i've directly observed. [09:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i never heard of a colonel that wasn't ever a private. [09:05]
decimation mircea_popescu: this is regularlly the case in us mil [09:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: himmler? [09:06]
decimation colonels are appointed directly from university [09:06]
mircea_popescu o.O ?! [09:06]
ben_vulpes well gents you have a good one [09:06]
decimation it's rare one finds an officer who was first enlished [09:06]
ben_vulpes i have a charter to dream up [09:06]
decimation enlisted [09:06]
cazalla heh brock piere be retweeing qntra now lol [09:06]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes we're writing for when you get up! [09:06]
decimation it happens, but not common [09:06]
BingoBoingo Well in Usia Colonels usually start as Lou-Tenants [09:06]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ah go fuck yourselves [09:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 2nd lt is private neh ? [09:06]
ben_vulpes how am i supposed to read all these lines i didn't write?! [09:06]
decimation 2nd lt is the eqiv. of 'officer private' [09:07]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes with attention! these are actually the good ones! [09:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, its commisioned [09:07]
asciilifeform in usa, 'private' is rank of the cannon fodder man, fresh off the street [09:07]
* mircea_popescu thinks he pushed his point far enough, rests. [09:07]
BingoBoingo 2nd Lt often is platoon leader [09:07]
decimation with no actual military experience other than officer boot camp [09:07]
BingoBoingo I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable [09:08]
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mircea_popescu undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up <<< this is some massively funny shit. [09:08]
asciilifeform decimation: i once learned, to great surprise, that as late as '70s i'd quality for an instant lieutenant if joined american army - all you needed was an ordinary uni degree (4 yrs.) [09:08]
mircea_popescu you actually think this is what putin did ?! or russian prole thought he did ?! [09:08]
undata mircea_popescu: correct me. I'd like to know. [09:09]
asciilifeform decimation: this, i think, was repealed. [09:09]
decimation asciilifeform: of course, they would pay you a bonus which you are generally required to spend on a ford mustang [09:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i bet you the 20 year sergeants are pretty fucking happy with that o.O [09:09]
asciilifeform haha [09:09]
asciilifeform very 'happy.' [09:09]
decimation asciilifeform: no they still make you go through 'officer canidate school' which is boot camp lite [09:09]
mircea_popescu undata well, it's a lengthy matter, hard to fit in one line or w/e. but let me find you this thing about stalin. [09:09]
mircea_popescu !s stalin from:asciilifeform [09:09]
asciilifeform in those days, it was a kind of compressed 'crash course.' [09:09]
assbot 24 results for 'stalin from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stalin+from%3Aasciilifeform [09:09]
decimation if you are a 'professional' like doctor or pharmacist it's pretty much just show up in uniform and learn how to salute [09:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wher's the one where you discuss people driving a truck with the man's pic ? because he makes order ? [09:10]
asciilifeform decimation: 'warrant officer' [09:10]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719963 [09:10]
assbot Logged on 15-06-2014 17:24:22; asciilifeform: phun phact. russian truck drivers had portraits of stalin in their windshields (facing out.) possibly even now. [09:10]
decimation no no warrant officer is generally a rank reserved only for highly qualified enlisted men [09:10]
mircea_popescu undata ^ there you go. he didn't say anything about oligarchs. he just promised order. [09:10]
mircea_popescu this is a subtle concept. like the platonic notion of cosmos, an ordered universe. [09:11]
decimation although I think there were various times when it applied to technical experts [09:11]
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mircea_popescu the main thing is that this de facto promises that every phenomenon carries meaning. [09:11]
mircea_popescu because unmeaning phenomena are very bothersome to simple folk. [09:11]
undata mircea_popescu: ah, not revenge, just a return to function? [09:11]
mircea_popescu uyp [09:11]
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undata this goes back to the conversation recently about the concerns of a soldier at war [09:11]
mircea_popescu yup. [09:11]
decimation right, and the question is: is col x. with his own local agenda going to provide meaning or is gen y. in far away disaster-land? [09:12]
mircea_popescu maybe. distance dampens meaning. [09:12]
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BingoBoingo http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com/2010/05/macy-from-maize-on-adult-ifying-power_1666.html [09:13]
assbot Rate Your Students: Macy from Maize on the Adult-ifying Power of the Curse. [09:13]
decimation without reliable air transport and crumbling land-transport, america is a big place [09:13]
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mircea_popescu a lot to signify, and rapidly deteriorating common language. not in the sense of english, [09:13]
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mircea_popescu but in the sense of, this feat where random high functrioning idiots like the kent guy quoted earier suddenly buy the common delusion of "global warming" becomes impossible. [09:13]
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decimation right, I envison something like revolutionary france where the king is derping around paris and all of the peasants suddenly decide not to pay their taxes or heed property rights [09:14]
asciilifeform 'stalin did not recede into the past - he dissolved into the future!' (de gaulle ?) [09:15]
mircea_popescu ^ [09:15]
mircea_popescu the fundamental function of the rabi (which is what stalin was, practically, at the massive outskirts) is not going away. [09:15]
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mircea_popescu and it does really not matter what sort of an ass the rabi is privately. [09:15]
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mircea_popescu !up eightyeight [09:15]
-assbot- You voiced eightyeight for 30 minutes. [09:15]
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mircea_popescu but the fact that the average person is not fascinated by congressional proceedings, let alone comprehend them at all, is a serious warning sign. [09:16]
mircea_popescu if you recall, back when the us functioned people went to see wtf jefferson said as their evening's entertainment [09:17]
asciilifeform well, people. not 'people.' [09:17]
mircea_popescu how is this then to be leadership ? because tradition-tradition ? mkay. only goes so far. [09:17]
asciilifeform homo redditicus was not yet born in his homunculus factory. [09:17]
undata "the dissolution of shared meaning" << this is a wonderful description of what's at work here [09:17]
mircea_popescu once the young sluts radicalise it's the end. which is why the teenaged runaway chgicks are so important. [09:17]
BingoBoingo Allegedly policical speech makes the evening newscast with alleged attribution [09:17]
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asciilifeform it was why i linked them. [09:17]
undata what's the next step? doesn't someone come along and become that meaning for them? [09:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform reddit is an effect not a cause. [09:18]
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undata and don't they long for it? [09:18]
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undata I recall the "need to belong" also from the other day [09:18]
asciilifeform reddit is effect, yes [09:18]
mircea_popescu undata only if such can exist. i very much doubt it can. [09:18]
BingoBoingo !up justusranvier [09:18]
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asciilifeform just like the drool of a drooling retard is an effect [09:18]
asciilifeform but still synonymous with retardation [09:18]
mircea_popescu granted. [09:18]
decimation I think such men can exist for localities [09:18]
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mircea_popescu basically, the great federal project failed, the national project never succeeded, what's left is a sort of us of africa. [09:19]
decimation but right now the federal government means nothing but taxation and disorder to the majority of the populace [09:19]
mircea_popescu worst failed state in the history of european adventure, the us. [09:19]
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undata there is a wide swath of the south that could easily start eating each other should the walmarts run dry [09:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The more I read on Argentina, the more it seems like what the US said it was going to be [09:20]
decimation agreed. and private Y. is going to be mulling these things over when he and his friends are getting killed over some vague pro-climate change agenda or whatever [09:20]
mircea_popescu undata why the south preferentially ? [09:21]
Adlai +BingoBoingo | I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable // true in the idf too [09:21]
mircea_popescu my bet is on chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism. [09:21]
asciilifeform also depends on how quickly us mil can retool for formally organized plunder [09:21]
Adlai why not detroit? or mogadishu? [09:21]
mircea_popescu Adlai detroit is stable as is. in fact if it does collapse, detroit will be the new capital. [09:21]
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mircea_popescu they have the druglords to support order. [09:21]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Detroit now has some farms within city limits too [09:21]
undata mircea_popescu: chicago gangs could at least hope to establish some kind of crude order [09:21]
undata yeah [09:22]
decimation asciilifeform: indeed. there are powerful incentives for local col. x to 'defect' and become the warlord of kansas or whatever [09:22]
undata there are parts of the southern US that are just... astoundingly ignorant [09:22]
mircea_popescu decimation which, you'll notice, is exactly how the roman empire went. [09:22]
Adlai well, i doubt the US would let its capitol be ruled by local cartels, but they might be a capital of an independant state [09:22]
asciilifeform chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism << washington cannibalism - best cannibalism... [09:22]
mircea_popescu undata ignorance doth not a criminal make. [09:22]
undata they would not be capable of any kind of cobbled-together society [09:22]
asciilifeform a la 'best korea' [09:22]
undata mircea_popescu: what about hungry ignorance? [09:22]
mircea_popescu i have my doubts, having been there. [09:22]
* Adlai still maintains that human society is cannibalistic, we just don't eat flesh directly [09:22]
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mircea_popescu undata nah, new york and california will be the shitholes. [09:22]
mircea_popescu rural missisippi wprolly be quite pleasant. [09:23]
decimation yeah I think the south and west would survive the best [09:23]
mircea_popescu generally, go to the places currently "ignorant", you'll be safe there. [09:23]
decimation rally the wagons, fuck you to outsiders, plenty of resources, not a crushing population density [09:23]
mircea_popescu their alleged ignorance is merely unallignment. not being alligned with the idiocy that just failed is a bonus. [09:23]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [09:23]
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asciilifeform Adlai would be pleased to read the works of soviet academician Porshnev [09:24]
mircea_popescu this was kinda the boon of romania. the slowest sheep in the eu flock. [09:24]
mircea_popescu as a result, when the flock went over a cliff... romania was still way behind. [09:24]
Adlai asciilifeform: any specific one? [09:24]
undata mircea_popescu: I see your point; my parents have a farm in rural PA. It would take about three weeks for the more dangerous (meth-addled) neighbors to be quiet. [09:24]
asciilifeform who argued, almost convincingly, that cannibalism shaped all of human history (e.g., fire was discovered to fight the cannibal half of humanity, who then morphed into sc4mz0rs or the like) [09:24]
asciilifeform Adlai: afaik, as with most soviet crackpots, no translation to english exists [09:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shit, you read my article about how fire was used to cookl ? [09:25]
asciilifeform nein [09:25]
asciilifeform tried using fire to cook, though [09:25]
asciilifeform it worked. [09:25]
mircea_popescu o you'll get a kick out of this. [09:26]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/muffins-si-o-disputa-de-antropologie/ [09:26]
assbot Muffins si-o disputa de antropologie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:26]
Adlai well that's a nice crackocy, but i'm talking about the fact that upscale anglophonia lives off the sweat of other societies [09:26]
mircea_popescu "Ca atare, in baza acestor observatii, bomba : cel mai probabil prima carne gatita a fost de om, nu de animal. A cazut vre-o proasta-n foc" [09:26]
* Adlai is using "societies" to refer to other classes within and without anglophonia [09:26]
mircea_popescu Adlai why misuse the term then. [09:26]
asciilifeform de om, nu de animal << ahahaha porshnev [09:27]
decimation Adlai: it certainly is the case that the 'upscale (blue)' class in the us takes advantage of the labor & genius of the 'smart unaligned rednecks' [09:27]
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undata mircea_popescu: oh, and florida is in the american south. [09:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i swear never read him. [09:28]
undata there are highly populated areas throughout the south [09:28]
* asciilifeform believes [09:28]
mircea_popescu but... one logic, one mouth, one fie. [09:28]
BingoBoingo undata: But Florida man is a hero of ancient legend [09:28]
asciilifeform 'one mouth, one fie' a la american saying 'one shot, one kill' lol [09:28]
mircea_popescu >D [09:28]
undata BingoBoingo: hah, he will rise and rule the cock of the continent [09:28]
asciilifeform http://www.new-cccp.ru/warb/1261.jpg << incidentally not only american saying. [09:28]
Adlai the relationship is quite similar to that of an agricultural society herding cattle [09:29]
Adlai mircea_popescu: why misuse the term << the term is misused to shock the audience, a technique you seem to enjoy yourself... [09:29]
mircea_popescu vrag!!! (aka enemy) [09:29]
asciilifeform incidentally that phrase (in picture) doesn't translate one bit. [09:29]
asciilifeform just fails. [09:29]
mircea_popescu Adlai not quite, no. [09:29]
asciilifeform 'hit such that ain't there one bullet but there's one enemy.' [09:29]
asciilifeform [to match it] [09:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "shoot not to the shots but to the enemies" neh ? [09:30]
asciilifeform looks like that, yes. but no - above. [09:30]
mircea_popescu as in, don't shoot to have shot, shoot to have killed. [09:30]
Adlai mircea_popescu: oh come on, your blog is full of metaphors that shock the average netizen encountering it for the first time [09:30]
* asciilifeform to bed [09:30]
mircea_popescu Adlai this is true. but when i redefine terms i always do it with a solid backing of thought behind it, and my redefinitions are actually cognitively stronger than the current convention. [09:31]
mircea_popescu these considerations are important, i can't be immitated by merely taking pictures. [09:31]
BingoBoingo Adlai: You only think that because you're still looking at the rabbit hole and not harvesting the coneys therin [09:31]
Adlai ok, so what's wrong with looking at farming individuals of your own species as a form of cannibalism? [09:31]
mircea_popescu Adlai this was discussed in the logs :D [09:31]
mircea_popescu !s bullocks [09:31]
assbot 12 results for 'bullocks' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bullocks [09:31]
Adlai lol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862769 [09:32]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2014 18:16:29; nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock [09:32]
mircea_popescu but anyway, at issue was the misuse of "societies" to mean "groups", not of cannibalism. [09:32]
BingoBoingo Adlai: It isn't cannibalism if you merely plan to take them to the rendering plant for fuel and not the abbatoir for meat [09:32]
Adlai no, not according to the current dictionary definition of cannibalism [09:32]
decimation cooking someone in your stomach is different than cooking them in your car? [09:32]
Adlai though i'm misusing the term intentionally, my misuse is well-defined [09:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you're on a... slippery slope, so to speak. for most of history women were merely used to make more of them. [09:33]
mircea_popescu seeing how for same most of the history man was the engine, it's technically using women as fuel. [09:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Or merely a lubricated slope [09:33]
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BingoBoingo Man uses homo sapiens, ethics is the discussion of acceptable uses [09:34]
* Adlai recalls a calculation in Collapse that egyptian pharoes had at their disposal approximately the same level of manpower as a single piece of modern construction equipment (eg bulldozer) [09:35]
mircea_popescu i kinda doubt this calculation. [09:35]
mircea_popescu omfg i finished the logs. [09:35]
BingoBoingo How does it feel? [09:36]
mircea_popescu it feels... good. [09:37]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlpTRNIAvc [09:37]
assbot James Brown - I Feel Good (Legends of Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube [09:37]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, why all this bile directed at fertile women ? [09:39]
mircea_popescu http://thoughtcatalog.com/raul-felix/2014/07/3-signs-a-woman-is-a-dependopotmus/ << #2 ? she dares have children!!11 [09:39]
assbot 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog [09:39]
Adlai which bile/ [09:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Homo redditicus has trouble accepting it has an origin story [09:40]
mircea_popescu "While dimwitted, the Dependopotamus is a shrewd beast who knows that there is one surefire way to trap a man: Bear as many of his offspring as possible. Since having a baby in the military is free thanks to the dependency benefits, she’ll be in a constant state of hosting and developing new fetuses that she isn’t certain are from her husband or one of her many lovers." [09:41]
mircea_popescu this echoes an older argument brought by say shaw, in much blander prose. [09:41]
mircea_popescu sure, the female can be seen as a preditor. in that it ingests and keeps the sperm, sure. [09:41]
undata mircea_popescu: this is the insecurity of many men, that if they can't keep their woman, it must be the wretched whore's fault. [09:41]
mircea_popescu this is more of a novelty / gentleman's amusing musings, than actual you know, life philosoph.y [09:41]
mircea_popescu undata it's not even clear if the author wants her to stay or to go. [09:42]
undata he wants to be worshiped by something he hates, undeservedly [09:43]
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mircea_popescu undeservedly which ? [09:43]
Adlai !g george carlin pumping out a unit [09:43]
mircea_popescu (now say undeservedly both and get in the bash) [09:43]
undata twas both [09:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think you wrote on geek wanting to be gifted a woman in his closet who doesn't need for anything. Dependopotamus trope is the inverse of that. [09:44]
mircea_popescu seems so. [09:44]
BingoBoingo The actual geeks revulsion with sctual women [09:44]
mircea_popescu "She is extremely fertile but should be on a list of human beings who aren’t allowed to reproduce because her genes are toxic and will only perpetuate more parasites throughout society." [09:44]
Adlai ;;google george carlin pumping out a unit [09:44]
gribble George Carlin - 2008 - Pumping out a unit - YouTube: ; RIP George Carlin - Kids - YouTube: ; George Carlin - Feminist Blowjob Lyrics - Songs | Most Popular: [09:44]
mircea_popescu all this pop science. toxic genes, seriously ? [09:44]
mircea_popescu Adlai ya, but then again carlin's not exactly the marrying kind. [09:45]
Adlai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin#Personal_life [09:45]
assbot George Carlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [09:45]
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mircea_popescu heh my bad [09:46]
mircea_popescu i had no idea. [09:46]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Anyways with the dependopatomus I don't think the jealousy comes from them resenting what their actual highschool classmates had when they weren't in the service, but jealousy of what the hollywood version of the rest of their high school class ahd. [09:51]
BingoBoingo ANd on that note, bed time [09:52]
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mircea_popescu !up AdamIRAway [09:52]
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xinxi hi [09:53]
mircea_popescu ello [09:53]
Adlai morning xinxi [09:53]
xinxi morning [09:53]
xinxi you guys are still not sleeping? [09:54]
xinxi i guess most of you are from the US, right? [09:54]
xinxi it should be very late there. [09:54]
Adlai it's always morning on freenode [09:55]
mircea_popescu we're all on meth. [09:55]
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xinxi mircea_popescu - did you watch breaking bad? [09:56]
mircea_popescu one episode at some point. [09:56]
xinxi then bored? [09:57]
mircea_popescu sitcoms, not really my cup of tea. [09:57]
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xinxi i like the way that they make meth. it’s quite educational. [10:02]
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mircea_popescu !up Tom_Servo [10:03]
mircea_popescu nice host lol. [10:03]
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xinxi i would probably get higher marks in chemistry if i watched that tv a few years earier. [10:04]
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xinxi and i woudn’t need to do bayesian stuffs everyday. [10:06]
mircea_popescu o btw, did you manage to score a qntra article yet ? [10:06]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron sucks huh. [19:34]
nubbins` "I think lots of people confuse natural concentrations of power or wealth that come from either being smarter or more savvy or luckier or starting with more power or wealth or reputation with systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests." [19:36]
Vexual yea i herd him on the radio [19:36]
nubbins` that's a difficult one to parse [19:36]
Vexual the dj sucke dharder [19:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` "i don't believe i suck because i suck, let me rephrase this five thousand different ways maybe one sticks" [19:37]
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mircea_popescu in my experience beating slaves into submission, two types are clearly apparent. one is interested in stopping the beatings, and will change in any way necessary. the other is interested in arguing about how the beatings should stop. [19:37]
Vexual oh lookout tomservo qntra ops [19:37]
TomServo mircea_popescu: Which radio show was that in reference to? [19:37]
mircea_popescu type two changes into type one around the third day mark. [19:37]
TomServo Vexual: Pardon? [19:38]
mircea_popescu TomServo something danielpbarron was on yest, dank something [19:38]
Vexual you're right tommo [19:38]
nubbins` "I think lots of people confuse (natural concentrations of (power or wealth) that come from either being (smarter or more savvy or luckier or (starting with more (power or wealth or reputation)))) with (systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests)." [19:38]
mircea_popescu "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods. [19:39]
Vexual you were holdring chanops on the undregisered #qntra [19:40]
Vexual seems you left [19:40]
mircea_popescu the pill against this, of course, is mp on rape, all that discussion about how the ignorant don't know what they're ignorant of and therefore can't make choices as to what to learn and how to learn it. which is why mp is so unpopular with this particular crowd of retards. [19:40]
TomServo Oh ahah, yeah - wasn't sure how/why I ended up with the ops either. [19:40]
Vexual its just irc business [19:41]
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Vexual tomservo: in the past its been considered bad form to leave without passing operator stautus to another [19:45]
Vexual so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out [19:48]
Vexual this aint cute japanese qualifier chan [19:49]
Vexual this aint hashtag (n) [19:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49586 @ 0.00073986 = 36.6867 BTC [-] {3} [19:49]
Vexual and im sure as fuck not gonna register #qntra [19:50]
Vexual keep it alive oldschool [19:51]
nubbins` back in my day... [19:52]
Vexual loaf of bread was 25cents [19:53]
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TomServo Vexual: It wasn't intentional, my host was disconnected. Muhbad. [19:55]
Vexual hey i don't give a fuck, im impressed you strayed on for so long [19:56]
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Vexual ;;date TomServo [19:57]
gribble Error: "date" is not a valid command. [19:57]
Vexual when youre the last one out, leave the light on [19:58]
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bounce the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others? [20:00]
mircea_popescu i hate how life is filled with double standards. If a girl fucks a bunch of guys she's a whore. if I do, i'm gay. wtf?! [20:00]
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mircea_popescu bounce that's all a matter of perspective. [20:01]
mircea_popescu god-kings exist exactly in the same sense "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor. [20:01]
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bounce the rich are simply too busy slinging subtle and oh-so-refined insults at each other [20:02]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:03]
bounce ancient nobility, of course. nouveau riche and such are party poopers because the insults go over their heads. [20:03]
mircea_popescu all that matters is perspective!!11 and also, it's only funny until someone loses an eye. [20:03]
Vexual insults go right rthough me [20:06]
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mircea_popescu ;;google "you are ugly, and your mother dresses you funny" [20:06]
gribble Hank Moody (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: ; "Californication" Hell-A Woman (TV Episode 2007) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Hank Moody - Mirror Monologue - Smile Douche! - YouTube: [20:06]
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Vexual the ones that go over my head i dont hear [20:06]
mircea_popescu meh, they stole it. this was the best insult in an ancient game [20:06]
mircea_popescu you played one of six nobles in medieval england [20:06]
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Vexual six? [20:10]
Vexual what is this majong? [20:10]
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mircea_popescu undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing. [20:11]
Vexual yep [20:12]
ben_vulpes i only find it funny once people start *losing* eyes. [20:12]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell xinxi you submit it to cazalla who is the editor in chief. [20:12]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:12]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes "then it's hysterical" [20:12]
Vexual ben_vulpes: may i recommend a wine? [20:13]
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asciilifeform "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor << lol, in what way does this not physically exist ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu am i to satisfy a negative ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu fuck you rich is like "youthful healthy". only the sickly and elderly know about it. [20:15]
asciilifeform not as such, but at least suggest how the apparent unicorns are simply goats with horn glued on [20:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for instance by pointing out to the street whore that IS in fact fuck you rich ? [20:15]
mircea_popescu lemme find her. [20:15]
* asciilifeform can easily picture a street whore who is arbitrarily rich [20:16]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2009/viata-pe-drumuri/ < there. [20:16]
ben_vulpes http://i.imgur.com/JgYKinT.mp4 [20:17]
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mircea_popescu "What do you get when you cross a whore with a systems engineer? A fuckin know-it-all!" [20:17]
ben_vulpes hah [20:17]
Vexual ben vuples the java king [20:17]
* asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp what he's seeing [20:19]
Vexual its a chihuahua [20:19]
asciilifeform no, mircea_popescu's link [20:20]
mircea_popescu street whore doing her morning shower. [20:20]
asciilifeform i.e. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/lifeinthestreets3.wmv [20:20]
asciilifeform aha [20:20]
mircea_popescu fuck you rich. right ? [20:20]
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asciilifeform how? [20:20]
asciilifeform the expression (afaik, american) traditionally means - one who is rich enough to never work again, if so wishes [20:21]
mircea_popescu well you're asking me ? your term! define it! [20:21]
mircea_popescu well she doesn't seem to be working, does she. [20:21]
asciilifeform and, usually presumes, live like a man (not rat) [20:21]
mircea_popescu ahaha [20:21]
mircea_popescu and that isn't a matter of perspective ? [20:21]
asciilifeform well yes. phrase is uttered by humans, who of course have perspective - 'tall' means something else to a dwarf than to an architect [20:22]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY << kid does not want to live like a rat. [20:22]
assbot 16 year old birthday surprise gone wrong. - YouTube [20:22]
Vexual you know about the asthmatic lesbian? [20:22]
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Vexual she caught her breath in statches [20:23]
bounce apparently "lords of the realm", perhaps II [20:23]
mircea_popescu bounce yes! [20:24]
asciilifeform ^ wtf [20:24]
mircea_popescu Vexual what do you call a promiscuous pony ? [20:24]
asciilifeform (re film) [20:24]
Vexual idk [20:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well ? kid does not want to live like a rat., what now ? [20:24]
mircea_popescu Vexual a little whorse. [20:24]
bounce starship titanic had "purveyor of shoddy goods!" -- pretty damning in context [20:24]
asciilifeform rats own trucks? [20:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do rats own computers ? [20:24]
asciilifeform not usually [20:25]
asciilifeform though i've had my doubts [20:25]
mircea_popescu neither does my fuck you rich bitch., what now ? [20:25]
asciilifeform rat, however, often owns a rathole [20:25]
asciilifeform does the woman? [20:25]
asciilifeform 'rat' may even be an upgrade for her [20:25]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdeizHM9OU no monero [20:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk. [20:26]
mircea_popescu possession being nine tenths of the law and all that. [20:26]
asciilifeform 'fuck you money,' if i recall, has the following etymology. the idea that if you came into $fuckyou, you could utter 'fuck you' to the boss at the plant tomorrow, and continue to live at least as well (consumption) as presently, indefinitely [20:27]
mircea_popescu so she has it ? [20:28]
asciilifeform and most of the speakers are not street bums, and so aren't sitting on a floor one cannot fall through [20:28]
mircea_popescu but that's besides the point isn';t it. [20:28]
asciilifeform well it has a meaning - most folks aren't bums, and possibly don't even inhabit a mental space where bums exist (other than in the vaguely 'doomy' sense that death exists for them) [20:29]
asciilifeform to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' [20:29]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRzpnS_FGw the doom generation [20:31]
asciilifeform 'fuck you money' is a very real item for which folks have a very real longing - because in fact, it is simply the desire to be released from workschwitz and arbeit macht frei. [20:32]
asciilifeform people with even an elementary brain do understand that perhaps one in a thousand can be a rentier [20:33]
bounce that is the assumption anyway [20:34]
Vexual ascii trolls now? [20:38]
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Vexual of coursem its late, or early [20:39]
kakobrekla its fuck you money only until its not. [20:40]
Vexual not everyone with a brain seeks residual income [20:40]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu is still awake? [20:40]
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asciilifeform its fuck you money only until its not << yes, generally how fiat works [20:42]
asciilifeform but one could redefine 'fuck you' with an engineering margin [20:42]
asciilifeform such that, e.g., you can lose 90% of the principal and remain fuckyou-enabled [20:42]
kakobrekla you basically need 10 fuckoffs. [20:43]
chetty I always thought it had more to do with being willing to live without whatever to the extent you would say $fuckyou to the boss, doesn't have to be money [20:43]
Vexual 100 bux is prolly fuck you money if youve got skills [20:43]
thestringpuller http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/22/technology/mobile/apple-pay-double-charge/index.html [20:43]
asciilifeform if you like to live in forest and eat tree bark - $0 can be [20:43]
kakobrekla yeah if shoe dont fit, cut foot :) [20:44]
Vexual deep [20:44]
chetty kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. [20:44]
kakobrekla cant argue with that [20:45]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wTxqHbJOzg [20:53]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBIRHi5-o8 [20:58]
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ben_vulpes dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable. [21:04]
Vexual i know right [21:04]
Vexual drafters frriend [21:04]
ben_vulpes either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed. [21:05]
Vexual depends how many girldfriends u got [21:05]
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empyex jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [21:06]
empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (124 milliseconds), mpex.co (134 milliseconds), mpex.biz (146 milliseconds), mpex.bz (237 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (644 milliseconds) [21:06]
empyex jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [21:06]
Vexual i've still got one in my leg [21:07]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8 [21:14]
mircea_popescu so i submit the following bitbet problem to the group : http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/ [21:16]
assbot BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closed 2 days 18 hours ago [21:16]
mircea_popescu the bet says "to play". the guy... signed a contract. to play. next year. [21:16]
mircea_popescu so does this mean he IS playing or merely that he will be ? [21:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ^ [21:16]
mircea_popescu to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination. [21:17]
mircea_popescu note that the reality of the longing for the idol is not in question, nor does it rub off on the idol to make IT real. [21:17]
mircea_popescu its fuck you money only until its not. << fuck you meat!11 [21:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels. [21:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prisoners may have different reasons to want out of the jail, but that does not make freedom a 'figment of imagination' - there is actually a world outside of the jail. [21:19]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: My gut says it resolves at yes if he actually... starts playing [21:20]
mircea_popescu but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs. [21:20]
mircea_popescu i mean, there's land where "the indies" were supposed to be, too. that doesn't mean columbus found india. [21:20]
Vexual he had a crack [21:21]
mircea_popescu Vexual speaking of which, who is the more eco-friendly ? the drug dealer or the whore ? [21:21]
Vexual i think we should get katy pery in here [21:21]
Vexual i guess the whore [21:22]
Vexual she only east and poops [21:22]
asciilifeform unlike columbus/indies, just about all people have experienced freedom (in the sense of not having to work) - as children [21:22]
Vexual *eats [21:22]
mircea_popescu Vexual the whore. because she reuses her crack. [21:22]
Vexual the drug dealer charters planes and shit [21:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform childhood may be a poor experience of anything. freedom included. [21:22]
Vexual oh a joke [21:22]
kakobrekla ;;later tell punkman ping [21:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:22]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu You may want to consult someone who actually follows soccer though. I'll look into the stuff later, but I think actually playing in that league this year would have been possible [21:24]
asciilifeform poor experience of anything << ? [21:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im just opening it for ip input. [21:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well you wouldn't go through life with your living decided by a five year old's understanding of what's going on, neh ? [21:25]
Vexual when does london close? [21:25]
asciilifeform i understood that arbeit macht frei sucks as a five year old, just as well as now. [21:26]
mircea_popescu just as well, maybe. the same way, i think not. [21:26]
mircea_popescu i thought eucalyptus sucked, as a five year old. and alcohol. and so on. [21:27]
wywialm Vexual, in 1.5h [21:27]
Vexual no that's a juroc joje [21:27]
Vexual *jurov joke [21:27]
wywialm i'm unfamiliar with that one [21:28]
Vexual yes [21:28]
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mircea_popescu wywialm how goes ? [21:28]
wywialm mircea_popescu, good question. As you have not heard much from me, you can deduce that the repo otc business did not do well [21:29]
mircea_popescu well to be perfectly fair, i had pre-deduced that last we met. [21:30]
wywialm yes, i remember that [21:30]
mircea_popescu btw, you writing a piece for the qntra ? [21:31]
wywialm i will definitely consider that as soon as i will have anything valuable to say [21:32]
mircea_popescu sounds like a plan. [21:33]
wywialm speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen? [21:35]
mircea_popescu more or less. [21:36]
mircea_popescu it's not terribly open to the general public. [21:36]
wywialm i guess i'm the member of general public then... [21:37]
wywialm is there a way to change that status? [21:38]
mircea_popescu well, basically, if you have a lot of volume you advertise it and you'll find someone. if you don't... well... you don't. [21:38]
wywialm ah, the standard way [21:39]
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punkman wywialm: you could use bitbet for some action [21:40]
punkman or that thing xinxi made [21:40]
jurov btcnut [21:41]
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jurov or such [21:41]
wywialm isn't it only for binary trades? that appplies to bitbet as well [21:41]
punkman buttnut [21:41]
punkman ;;ticker [21:42]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.61, Best ask: 364.63, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 364.66, 24 hour volume: 17852.87309723, 24 hour low: 358.0, 24 hour high: 386.32, 24 hour vwap: 370.329378879 [21:42]
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wywialm besides, it's financially settled which depends on the reliability of the exchanges [21:42]
mircea_popescu wywialm i supposew you could use the x.eur future ad interim [21:43]
mircea_popescu you can make an option out of a future and an underlying. [21:43]
wywialm option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher? [21:44]
asciilifeform ;;later tell nubbins`: if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run. [21:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:44]
kakobrekla not sure if that will work cause ':' [21:45]
asciilifeform ;;later tell nubbins` if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run. [21:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:45]
asciilifeform kakobrekla ty [21:45]
xanthyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqC5Nvjybqc [21:45]
assbot Die Antwoord - Enter The Ninja (Acoustic Cover) - YouTube [21:45]
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mircea_popescu wyrdmantis you understand synthetic positions ? [21:46]
punkman I left namecheap search open in a tab and it crashed my browser, because javascript is awesome [21:46]
wywialm mircea_popescu, quite well, but i don't see how can i use two linear instruments to obtain nonlinear payoff [21:47]
mircea_popescu well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere. [21:47]
wywialm apart from dynamic hedging, where i could use only one [21:47]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's a "sort-of" type of thing, obviously. [21:48]
kakobrekla heh JS, i recall some sites killing a core2 quad machine [21:49]
wywialm mircea_popescu did you mean any static replication? [21:50]
mircea_popescu wywialm basically. [21:51]
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mircea_popescu not sure you can actually get it to be static [21:51]
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wywialm mircea_popescu - but that's not static. do i miss anything? [21:56]
mircea_popescu it wouldn't be exactly static, no. [21:56]
wywialm what is the exact multiplier of x.eur? [21:57]
mircea_popescu 1 [21:57]
wywialm btw, do you know of any trade on btc realized volatility or realized variance? [22:00]
mircea_popescu i don't recall anything being publicly announced. [22:00]
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jurov FabianB_: mpex.coinbr.com fixed [22:02]
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wywialm mircea_popescu, did you consider calculating a stock index for MPEx? [22:05]
mircea_popescu on and off, yeah. [22:06]
mircea_popescu maybe moving the oix from the now gone options to stocks. [22:06]
wywialm what types of indices did you consider? [22:06]
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wywialm the warsaw stock exchange begun with 5 stocks listed as well, and calculated the WIG [22:07]
mircea_popescu yeah, i know. anyway, nothing public about all that yet. [22:08]
wywialm if you were interested in my thoughts on it, i could throw my 2 cents [22:08]
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mircea_popescu ty :) [22:10]
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undata that vid of the 16 year old brat attacking his new truck has me in stitches [22:11]
undata coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging [22:11]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:11]
mircea_popescu it's really an excellent piece, that. [22:12]
asciilifeform that thing made me have emotions. [22:14]
undata wouldn't break a window; would swing for his dad. fascinating. [22:14]
asciilifeform specifically, wanting to see the idiot executed a la the 'bear jew' scene in 'inglorious bastards' [22:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why ? [22:14]
asciilifeform i.e. with baseball club. [22:14]
mircea_popescu undata for his dad ?! are you kidding ? [22:14]
asciilifeform ruining a perfectly good truck [22:14]
mircea_popescu i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler. [22:15]
asciilifeform still. [22:15]
bounce http://www.mil-oss.org/ [22:15]
assbot Home - Mil-OSS [22:15]
undata mircea_popescu: his dad backed off after one fake swing at him [22:15]
undata or whoever the fat fuck standing by was [22:15]
mircea_popescu that was his mom. [22:15]
mircea_popescu dad is skinny old guy with goatee [22:15]
undata haaa [22:15]
undata the guy in a black shirt going "you better not" [22:16]
mircea_popescu older bro ? [22:16]
undata probably 25, still living at home driving the mchummer [22:16]
mircea_popescu well, yes, but he got into whatever grad programme. [22:17]
mircea_popescu which 16 yo kids can't do, because highschool. [22:17]
* asciilifeform confesses he didn't have the audio plugged in [22:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, nothing wrong with all those kids living at that particular home, with their wives, girlfriends and offspring. it looks just about big enough. [22:18]
asciilifeform was it notable? [22:18]
mircea_popescu plenty wrong with them being this dumb tho [22:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform depends if you like male teenager whining or not. [22:18]
* asciilifeform does not [22:18]
bounce isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time. [22:19]
jurov youtube comments say fake [22:19]
undata mircea_popescu: my folks live here -> http://www.thewoodlands.com/ [22:19]
assbot The Woodlands - Texas' most celebrated master-planned community [22:19]
undata that family above could easily be residents [22:19]
mircea_popescu bounce it's god's cruel joke. jews take it even further with all the torah singing. [22:19]
bounce to get back at the almighty or something? [22:20]
mircea_popescu well i dunno, seems to humiliate the kids. [22:21]
jurov doomiiinuuus vooobiiiscuuum [22:22]
mircea_popescu jurov no they have this thing where they make 13yos sing in front of the whole congregation. [22:22]
mircea_popescu all serious and shit. [22:22]
undata these are precisely the americans I hope starve first when their bank accounts no longer work [22:22]
mircea_popescu undata why ? [22:22]
undata because they're conditioned to be utterly insecure about whatever they lack, at no matter what level of wealth [22:23]
jurov i'd rather listen to 13yos than old farts [22:23]
asciilifeform they'll starve last. [22:23]
undata they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of [22:23]
mircea_popescu jurov that may be a matter of taste :) [22:23]
bounce cheap knockoff society [22:23]
mircea_popescu undata what bizarro social justice stuff is this lol. [22:23]
undata mircea_popescu: it's hardly that. [22:24]
bounce consumerist socialism? [22:24]
mircea_popescu i'll take your word for it, but it kinda sounds it. [22:24]
undata the american idea that the highest good is "eat as much as possible" whether the thing eaten is food, cars, etc. [22:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00074011 = 10.8426 BTC [+] [22:24]
mircea_popescu how do you figure the people in the vid fit that theory ? they don't seem overweight. [22:25]
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asciilifeform tell american about that he should generate wealth, and as likely as not, he'll fear being sent to uranium mines [22:25]
asciilifeform i'd fear the mines if someone decreed that i must now generate wealth [22:25]
undata asciilifeform: expressing a value is distinct from insisting it be imposed. [22:26]
asciilifeform i'm not sure i personally have ever held a day job which was a 'net gain for the motherland' [22:26]
mircea_popescu undata ok, but it's not very well expressed. what is the value ? [22:26]
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undata mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects. [22:28]
asciilifeform Wealth fuels projects <<<<< [22:28]
asciilifeform this. is precisely what i meant by 'i refuse to live as a rat' [22:29]
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mircea_popescu i'm confused. [22:29]
asciilifeform if i can't afford projects, it isn't life. [22:29]
mircea_popescu but you can project anything. [22:29]
The20YearIRCloud I wouldn't say every american is driven by greed [22:29]
punkman well maybe I'd rather live around the guy that minds his own business, his business being his farm, rather than around guy that has neverending stream of "projects" [22:29]
undata I am also confused. [22:29]
The20YearIRCloud I know plenty that live self-less lives [22:29]
mircea_popescu punkman i can see it. [22:29]
undata mircea_popescu: you seem to have many projects. [22:29]
asciilifeform the particular species of projects i engage in. not sand castles out of cow shit in bangladesh. [22:29]
asciilifeform (though those may also be 'projects') [22:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well... how about "reengineer all of it" [22:30]
asciilifeform ? [22:30]
mircea_popescu all of IT* [22:30]
asciilifeform aha [22:30]
undata asciilifeform: how about "Life is about projects, and wealth should only be interesting inasmuch as it supports those endeavors." [22:30]
* asciilifeform fails to apprehend, with puny brain, how this can be done on rat budget [22:30]
mircea_popescu i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project. [22:30]
mircea_popescu undata how about "you don't get to say what should be interesting to other people" ? [22:31]
undata mircea_popescu: everyone says that to everyone with every sentence. [22:31]
mircea_popescu that's what triggered the "wtf sjw is this" [22:31]
mircea_popescu i dun agree. [22:31]
asciilifeform even the comparatively smaller undertaking i'm presently engaged in - still doesn't come cheap. (i speak of the tooling which i have not charged to the piggy, but also of the fact that i cannot convert btc to usd even for those portions where expenses invoiced. as previously recounted here.) [22:32]
punkman asciilifeform: assuming you asked them, how much did olimex quote for cardano assembly? [22:32]
asciilifeform asked 'golden phoenix' [22:33]
undata mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living. [22:33]
asciilifeform was obscene price tag, for given qty, and they wanted auto-kitting [22:33]
mircea_popescu undata well sure, but the problem with this is diogenes. you know the bath tub story ? [22:33]
undata I do not [22:33]
mircea_popescu but you know who he was ? [22:33]
undata greek cynic [22:34]
undata reading the story now [22:34]
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mircea_popescu yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach. [22:34]
The20YearIRCloud ascii is this a business where btc was invested for tooling? [22:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, at some point the city was being attacked by the enemy, and so every citizen was running up and down trying to make themselves useful. to the "society", by which of course you mean polis. [22:35]
The20YearIRCloud Oh a good note about RentalStarter, our banking partner has really stepped up in terms of lending to us [22:35]
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mircea_popescu and diogenes being woken up by all the ruckus, started pushing the tub he inhabited up and down and all around. [22:35]
asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: to a very limited extent. (mircea_popescu insisted that i bill for the construction of the three-axis robotic platform for prototype assembly.) [22:35]
mircea_popescu helping too, you see. [22:35]
asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: all pertinent info is to be found on his site, do read the monthly proclamations if interested in the subject [22:36]
The20YearIRCloud TBH i can't remember what project you're involved in [22:36]
asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: s.nsa. first project is a small electronic device, 'cardano.' [22:36]
undata mircea_popescu: how does that describe what I've said, in your view? [22:36]
asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: co-authored with mircea_popescu. [22:37]
mircea_popescu well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given. [22:37]
undata mircea_popescu: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise? [22:37]
mircea_popescu ask asciilifeform ? [22:38]
mircea_popescu "best" is a complex concept. [22:38]
bounce then I'll take bestest [22:38]
asciilifeform lol i was beginning to think that diogenes was mentioned precisely because my 'best' is as odd as his was. [22:39]
mircea_popescu but on anecdotic evidence, whether people believe that or don't is more of an indicator of whether the polis is on the upswing or downswing than anything personal. [22:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform except his is the exact opposite of odd. his best is even. [22:39]
asciilifeform ahaha [22:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, you;ll appreciate i didn't bring him up in the definition of "fuck you rich" [22:39]
asciilifeform doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise << 'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had' [22:39]
asciilifeform lol [22:40]
mircea_popescu the point is still there, tho. fuck you rich is about fuck you, not about rich. [22:40]
bounce implying people wish to be fucked over? [22:40]
kakobrekla no [22:40]
kakobrekla thats why they dont live in the barrels [22:40]
kakobrekla for the most part [22:40]
mircea_popescu meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave. [22:41]
asciilifeform ^ yes. just as freedom may or may not be about a hacksaw, depending on whether one is in prison, and of what material the prison is made (a pair of clippers may suffice for a savage rope cage, etc.) [22:41]
asciilifeform (re: 'about fuckyou not the rich') [22:41]
undata one minute god-kings; the next liberty [22:41]
undata haha [22:41]
kakobrekla people slave for not to slave [22:41]
mircea_popescu best slavery there is. [22:41]
* undata processes on that last bit for a moment [22:42]
kakobrekla anyway, the recipe is to say fuck you, go in the barrel and then if you like climb out of it while keeping the finger raised [22:44]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the problem wih that approach is that it's literally indistinguishable from the tack of the 16yo kid in the video. [22:45]
asciilifeform here's a random example of what it costs to effectively think about problems in the physical sciences, without a Crown license. [22:46]
undata obviously someone thought it worth writing about the barrel or you wouldn't be saying so. [22:46]
undata *everything* is stated with the implicit underlying statement that the worldview in which the statement was made is true. [22:46]
mircea_popescu selfless sacrifice on the altar of satisfying the societal expectation. [22:46]
asciilifeform i have to pay several 100 usd / yrs. to access library. [22:46]
asciilifeform (the university kind, that idiot college fauna get into for free) [22:46]
mircea_popescu undata a worldview can not be true. [22:46]
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undata another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. [22:47]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu since when do appearances matter? [22:47]
mircea_popescu (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight) [22:47]
bounce "free" as in part of the crushing tuitition debt package deal [22:48]
asciilifeform well yes. [22:48]
asciilifeform rolled into that particular chumpatronic prize. [22:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla well that's the thing, they don';t. [22:48]
kakobrekla so is all good. [22:48]
asciilifeform or into benefit package of being a loyal servant of Crown 'scientocracy' (professional academics) [22:48]
mircea_popescu another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. << only for the utilitarian/methodist/usretardian school of thought. [22:48]
asciilifeform if you're a civilian - you pay. [22:48]
asciilifeform and pay. [22:48]
mircea_popescu but otherwise this is what the existentialists used to call "petit burgeois" [22:48]
bounce a reasonable solution for "publish or perish" would be useful [22:49]
mircea_popescu bounce "no tax money spent on education" is a solution. [22:49]
mircea_popescu be rich or stfu and work, science is not for "the people". [22:49]
asciilifeform bounce: they used to at least let people into the libraries without membership (though could not check out books, or read - the now all - electronic - journals.) but the bums began to nest there. [22:49]
bounce bit of a cop out. can't we do better? [22:49]
mircea_popescu who's "we" ? [22:50]
mircea_popescu but no, we can't do better, because otherwise the fucking bums start nesting there. [22:50]
asciilifeform 'once there was The People, terror gave it birth... once there was The People, and it made a Hell of Earth...' (kipling?) [22:50]
mircea_popescu like, the sort of people churning out "science" about stuff. [22:50]
asciilifeform (:re we) [22:50]
asciilifeform i give the library tidbit as an example of what, in my mind, 'not living as rat' involves [22:51]
undata if only there were some way to cheaply stockpile and grant access to documents. [22:51]
asciilifeform for a human vegetable, who only needs to afford a hovel to eat, shit, and fuck in, and a tv screen - different cost. [22:51]
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bounce thing is, I do want to filter the pool for the talent regardless of parental wealth [22:51]
mircea_popescu what is talent ? [22:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think that cost may be more than a few hundies a year. [22:52]
asciilifeform that's library alone [22:52]
The20YearIRCloud asciilifeform: is it that way around the world? I know it is here - bums everywhere at the library [22:52]
asciilifeform (the figure above) [22:52]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud amusingly, bums here mostly sleep in banks. [22:53]
mircea_popescu i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions [22:53]
kakobrekla guard the safes yo [22:53]
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asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: library is heated in the winter, cool in the summer, no one hassles the poor bomzh to buy anything [22:53]
asciilifeform and quiet, very few people per square metre. [22:53]
asciilifeform usually, entire floors empty. [22:53]
asciilifeform so perfect. [22:53]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many social studies chicks fuck bums because they're bums. [22:54]
mircea_popescu 1 a year ? 100 ? 10000 ? [22:54]
asciilifeform freshly-minted bums (or well-kept hobos) likely. [22:54]
undata mircea_popescu: again, anyone speaking about anything intends for the listener to be influenced by the content. [22:54]
asciilifeform the kind that walked in the same suit for a decade - less plausible [22:54]
undata I can't see how it could be any other way. [22:54]
mircea_popescu well so you can't see. [22:55]
mircea_popescu ;;google gratuitous act [22:55]
gribble gratuitous - definition of gratuitous by The Free Dictionary: ; gratuitous legal definition of gratuitous: ; www.andregide.org | Caves of the Vatican | Lafcadio's Adventures ...: [22:55]
mircea_popescu lmao check that shit out, doesn't even exist in english. [22:55]
mircea_popescu ;;google acte gratuit [22:55]
gribble acte gratuit - Wiktionary: ; L'ACTE GRATUIT: ; Older posts - L'ACTE GRATUIT: [22:55]
The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: are banks over there open 24/7, or access to parts? [22:55]
The20YearIRCloud Around here they're on lockdown outside of normal business hours [22:55]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud the atm parts. [22:56]
undata mircea_popescu: I think in english "gratuitous" means something far off from what you're aiming at. [22:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in english, usually 'crime of passion' ? [22:56]
The20YearIRCloud Your ATMs aren't outside? [22:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no dude, not at all. [22:56]
undata "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted." [22:56]
mircea_popescu "Un acte gratuit est le fait d'agir en dehors de toute raison, motivation ou incitation." [22:56]
undata and.. ain't that some shit. [22:56]
mircea_popescu "the fact of acting outside any reason or motivation" [22:57]
undata how could it be possible to act without motivation? [22:57]
kakobrekla also says it means 'free shit' [22:57]
undata it came from god, not me? [22:57]
asciilifeform banks 24/7 << story. where i live, you can walk into the vestibule of a bank (where the atm often lives, on 'bad streets') using a magnetic card. implication is that it must be the bank's - but this is false. [22:57]
mircea_popescu undata listen, go read le diable et le bon dieu, sartre. [22:57]
asciilifeform any card will do! [22:57]
undata mircea_popescu: k [22:57]
asciilifeform and often, sc4mz0rz patch into the reader, and plant bug there [22:57]
asciilifeform recording cc # day and night. [22:57]
* undata wonders if the translation will butcher it [22:58]
mircea_popescu aww that sucks. [22:58]
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asciilifeform (for those wondering why it is so easy to sc4mz0r american magnetic cards, read log.) [22:59]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499334 [22:59]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2014 01:00:26; asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.) [22:59]
asciilifeform etc [22:59]
kakobrekla implication is that it must be the bank's < we also have such setups with but no such implication as atms are compatible over all banks [23:00]
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punkman asciilifeform: seen same card activated doors in many places around eu [23:00]
mircea_popescu yeah no such implication. [23:00]
asciilifeform at any rate, just about any magnetic card with the right number of tracks (was it 3?) will open the gate. [23:01]
FabianB jurov: looks good now :) [23:01]
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nubbins` asciilifeform will likely take a couple days [23:02]
punkman also bums love to sleep next to ATMs, and they all have some kind of card that will open the door [23:02]
asciilifeform nubbins`: what was your starting point again? [23:02]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i just want to test build chain [23:02]
nubbins` plan was to take stock 0.5.3, remove src/qt/* and attempt to build [23:03]
nubbins` and use that as a starting point [23:03]
nubbins` so you could use stock 0.5.3 to test [23:03]
asciilifeform what was the turd in 0.6 that made us stop short of it ? [23:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the whole thing was a debate over whether it should be earliest or latest that still works. apparently earliest won [23:04]
asciilifeform aha. [23:04]
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* mircea_popescu votes yesterday as "most likely to be reread" [23:04]
mircea_popescu it' [23:04]
nubbins` ah, nothing in particular, i don't think. merging bugfixes etc from 0.6 would be next i guess [23:04]
asciilifeform lol! [23:04]
mircea_popescu it's like "the hangover" in there. [23:04]
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asciilifeform who has a known vintage tarball of 0.5.3 ? [23:05]
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asciilifeform (as in, personally leeched as long ago as possible, and sat since) [23:05]
asciilifeform kindly post hash. [23:06]
asciilifeform best heroes - post signed hash. [23:06]
nubbins` heh [23:06]
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nubbins` not i [23:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu? [23:06]
mircea_popescu mm ? [23:07]
asciilifeform vintage tarball ^ [23:07]
mircea_popescu oh. i'll have to go through archives. be a while. [23:07]
jurov i arrived in 2012 and lost a hdd since :/ [23:07]
nubbins` march 14 2012 [23:08]
jurov http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Obsolete/ huh what a scary message [23:09]
assbot Bitcoin - Browse /Obsolete at SourceForge.net [23:09]
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mircea_popescu jurov not to mention it's also untrue. [23:11]
mircea_popescu but hey, what's a little lying hurt anymore. [23:11]
asciilifeform 'obsolete' !? [23:11]
asciilifeform aha like 'truecrypt'. [23:11]
jurov 15033115709f0eb55674ebf5e79208bfb05a5745 bitcoin-0.5.3-linux.tar.gz << sha1 of the turd form there [23:11]
asciilifeform ty [23:12]
asciilifeform 'A visitor received this implanted, false message today, promoting the market of certificates of authority and encryption. HTTPS fetishists are trying to coerce us into using the crappy security gambit. Ignore HTTPS monotheists. Online security promises are hokum. This is admitted on sec discussion fora. Pushers of HTTPS, Tor, crypto, secure drops are David Blaines.' (cryptome.) [23:12]
asciilifeform ^ http://cryptome.org/https-ignore.jpg [23:12]
mircea_popescu aww, no "as mp said" ? sucks. [23:13]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << sorry no clean version of this [23:13]
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asciilifeform guide to bitcoin mitm for n00bz [23:13]
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asciilifeform if anyone wants to post checksums for vintage dependencies from build-unix.txt, appreciated. [23:21]
midnightmagic coin control is unnecessary now, create/decode/sign raw transaction exists plus listunspent and listaddressgroupings [23:25]
asciilifeform hard disk is unnecessary, magnetized needles exist. [23:25]
kakobrekla exists < yeah in which version ? [23:27]
midnightmagic pretty easy to use them. I have a very tiny perl script that does the same thing.. [23:27]
kakobrekla which version? [23:27]
mircea_popescu no he has a point, you can just make your own tx and forget the stock selection code [23:28]
midnightmagic mm.. dunno when they were introduced. it's been a while. [23:28]
asciilifeform make your own tx, with soviet calculator. [23:28]
asciilifeform people seem to forget why we even bought computers. [23:28]
mircea_popescu i didn't mean by hand yo [23:28]
midnightmagic I just don't trust the coin control nor tx selection to pull the most-private from the unspent list is all. It is a bit more work to make decisions about it though [23:28]
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kakobrekla making your own tx is best way to go [23:29]
kakobrekla cc makes it easy [23:29]
midnightmagic not for privacy imo. but I guess it does make tx creation easy. [23:31]
kakobrekla well you control the privacy [23:31]
kakobrekla stock selection code < as shitty as it gets. [23:33]
mircea_popescu don't knock it, it's what they use to make hambuger meat. [23:34]
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mircea_popescu never 4get. [23:38]
mats_cd03 http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << heh heh. i once ran an exit node off AWS for a week, scooped 0.2 btc from a shmuck [23:38]
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asciilifeform mats_cd03: the best idiots are the tor-miners. [23:40]
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asciilifeform mats_cd03: how one would even arrive at the idea of miner connected through tor? [23:41]
mats_cd03 decentralize! [23:41]
mats_cd03 anonymous! [23:41]
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asciilifeform not a single mainstream mineatron, afaik, does anything useful against even a very pedestrian ssl mitm. [23:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform as much as a new news site brings about ddos. [23:41]
mircea_popescu these are real problems derps are trying to solve. [23:41]
asciilifeform which problems? [23:42]
mircea_popescu not that safe to be a miner out there. [23:42]
asciilifeform ahaha [23:42]
asciilifeform sufficiently large miner can, presumably, afford $maxint worth of proxies or even fallback isp. [23:43]
mircea_popescu yeah, but tor miner is not sufficientl large. [23:43]
asciilifeform if the only enemy is ddos [23:43]
m4rCsi malaimo_ manamex mariorz mats_cd03 MCM-Mike menahem_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ MobGod mod6 moldysnizz Mrstickball mthreat [23:44]
m4rCsi malaimo_ manamex mariorz mats_cd03 MCM-Mike menahem_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ MobGod mod6 moldysnizz Mrstickball mthreat [23:44]
mircea_popescu you dunno what the enemy is until mats_cd03 steals your .2 btc [23:44]
asciilifeform at one point, chumpnet miners often went through tor [23:44]
mats_cd03 ill be rich someday [23:44]
mats_cd03 i will use that .2 btc to buy a ranch and a new stereo [23:44]
asciilifeform undeserved prize tastes ten times as good. [23:45]
asciilifeform or how did it go. [23:45]
mats_cd03 i thought it was a peach? [23:45]
bounce millions of peaches/ peaches for free/ [23:46]
mats_cd03 anyway, on the subject of fruit [23:46]
mats_cd03 i have discovered honey crisp apples [23:46]
mats_cd03 and they are godly [23:46]
bounce so, better than oranges? [23:46]
asciilifeform miners << is there any actual reason why an arbitrarily large miner should not choose to appear as a large number of arbitrarily small ones, from the network standpoint ? [23:47]
mats_cd03 better than the red delicious [23:47]
mats_cd03 which is in fact not delicious, only red [23:47]
asciilifeform why is it even still possible to identify 'large miners' as existing. [23:47]
mats_cd03 bad software? [23:47]
nubbins` wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly [23:48]
nubbins` mostly because of all this brew/macports gibberish [23:48]
asciilifeform nubbins` confronted with fact of having bought a fake unix box? [23:48]
nubbins` it's more unix than windows, at least ;p [23:49]
asciilifeform that's literally the only thing going for it. [23:49]
asciilifeform microshit-free. [23:49]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller here's one for you : what concert costs 45 cents ? [23:49]
asciilifeform ^ the busy signal in a u.s. pay phone (if you can still find one!) -- costs 0.50, and you'll find a 'nickel' in the coin return tray. [23:50]
asciilifeform 45 cents for concert. [23:50]
kakobrekla microshit-free. < id rather be apple free than ms free given only those 2 options. call me retarded or whatever dun care. [23:51]
asciilifeform lol! [23:51]
asciilifeform kakobrekla will voluntarily use winblows? [23:51]
kakobrekla no [23:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform really, it's 50cent feat nickleback [23:51]
mircea_popescu but anyway! [23:51]
kakobrekla asciilifeform >given only those 2 options [23:52]
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mircea_popescu i wonder what a windows tablet would be like. [23:52]
asciilifeform two closed turds, and you'll use the one with no shell, no posix, no modern build system? [23:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: windows tablet existed. [23:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can perhaps guess what they were like, by the fact of having to ask the question [23:53]
mircea_popescu i never saw one [23:53]
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kakobrekla just cant swallow apple. sry no can do. [23:53]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: you can almost pretend it's a 'sun' or other weird ancient unixlike [23:53]
asciilifeform esp. if you behead it and use a terminal. [23:54]
joecool just took delivery of a mbp and am attempting to resize it's cancer of an os to put anything on [23:54]
joecool yeah would do windows before this [23:54]
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kakobrekla whats next, use phone and pretend its computer ? [23:54]
joecool chinese killed the thinkpad though [23:54]
bounce boo. hiss. [23:54]
mircea_popescu incidentally, can you format the ipad, run debian on it ? [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: debian - no idea. netbsd - almost certain. [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ask enthusiasts if there's any i/o support for it [23:55]
mircea_popescu touch drivers and errything ? [23:55]
mircea_popescu uhm, it has wireless neh ? [23:55]
asciilifeform well depends what you need it for [23:55]
asciilifeform if for perverse file server in a closet - yes, can do right now. [23:56]
asciilifeform if as a 'touch' gizmo - check first. [23:56]
asciilifeform also easier to do this with non-apple gizmos, where there is not an elaborate boobytrap chipset in there, to try to keep you from 'jailbreaking' [23:56]
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nubbins` ^ [23:57]
mircea_popescu so it's not basically a laptop board with a soldered over bios chip ? [23:57]
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asciilifeform 'arm'-compatible. [23:58]
asciilifeform a few vendors (samsung, and others) make the reverse of this - 'arm' laptop. [23:58]
mircea_popescu aha [23:59]
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