Forum logs for 23 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu if they don't conserve, they're not a moe. [00:00]
mircea_popescu kinda why doge is a dodgy scam : cause their coins don't conserve. [00:00]
ThickAsThieves so the fact that they can be taken back is where it breaks or? [00:00]
ThickAsThieves i missed the specific fault [00:00]
mircea_popescu the fact that the points do not conserve. think of a medium of exchange as a family. [00:01]
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mircea_popescu while you can take kids or give them away [00:01]
mircea_popescu you can never kill one. [00:01]
ThickAsThieves when it is a rating point killed? [00:01]
mircea_popescu when you unrate whoever [00:01]
ThickAsThieves you took it back [00:01]
ThickAsThieves it still exists [00:01]
ThickAsThieves you can give it back to me right? [00:01]
mircea_popescu so you want 10 points for each user pair ? [00:02]
ThickAsThieves if it was killed, you couldnt give back to me [00:02]
ThickAsThieves therefore it's not killed [00:02]
mircea_popescu and each new user that joins creates n! coins ? [00:02]
ThickAsThieves right [00:02]
mircea_popescu you got any idea what n! computes to ? [00:02]
ThickAsThieves does it matter? [00:02]
mircea_popescu in a much softer sense than before, this'd be practical. [00:03]
ThickAsThieves thats why the economy has special rules [00:03]
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ThickAsThieves it is, for lack of a better term, perfectly and dynamically balanced [00:03]
mircea_popescu i guess if your wotcoin actually works so that every user gets 10 coins for every other user present [00:03]
mircea_popescu then you technically can argue this is a moe. [00:03]
ThickAsThieves bam! [00:03]
ThickAsThieves so that's 2 out of 3 [00:03]
mircea_popescu forums are very easy. [00:03]
mircea_popescu as much as an irc chan for your wotcoin can suffice. [00:04]
mircea_popescu takes 1 second. [00:04]
ThickAsThieves to spare me arguing for it, how do you explain forum is an economy? [00:04]
mircea_popescu "forum is an economy" wut ? [00:04]
thestringpuller uh [00:05]
thestringpuller i come back to read "forum is economy" [00:05]
ThickAsThieves my efforts here are to explore whether each of your 3 aspects are an economy themselves [00:05]
ThickAsThieves and in doing do, learn more about how they interact [00:05]
mircea_popescu for all we care 4chan or dtng were economies. [00:05]
ThickAsThieves and if one is not an economy whether that can polish the theory [00:05]
mircea_popescu the moe is "sauce pls" or w/e. [00:06]
ThickAsThieves like, why are the gazette and forum even separate things? [00:06]
mircea_popescu they don't have to be separate in practice [00:06]
mircea_popescu they're separated in theory, like your pulse and blood pressure are separate [00:06]
ThickAsThieves ok [00:06]
mircea_popescu even if you know... you need a blood for both. [00:06]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller sad fate eh. [00:07]
mircea_popescu "The Bureau of Prisons views any bartering among prisoners as fishy" << funny, seeing how they trade is mostly macks. [00:08]
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ThickAsThieves it's also possible identifying these all as economies may help distill/evolve the overall theory [00:08]
ThickAsThieves i'm just poking and prodding [00:08]
mircea_popescu surely. it's a good thing. [00:09]
mircea_popescu currently the entire thing is "hey guise, check out this shit i made. i call it... a box cutter. it cuts everything" [00:09]
mircea_popescu it's to be expected we'd live in a world of gashes and slashes for a while. [00:09]
benkay do economies have to conserve over time? [00:10]
ThickAsThieves i also want to demonstrate to others in public so they may be motivated to do a better job than me at prodding it [00:10]
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benkay or do things increase the size of the pie? [00:10]
ThickAsThieves rather than sit there and go "oh cool, long live mircea!" [00:11]
mircea_popescu benkay just the moe in order to be a moe. [00:11]
jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reyt3uiQqI8 <<< my impression of thickasthieves' arguing [00:11]
ozbot Treadmill Bike - YouTube [00:11]
mircea_popescu and an important point is : practical implementations will be more or less neatly mapped on the theoretical requirements. they may still function [00:11]
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mircea_popescu but the theory predicts that specific changes will be observable to reduce or mitigate the damage due to the particular vulnerabilities. [00:11]
mircea_popescu much like kids playing insta-ban specific behaviours they perceive as "unfair" [00:12]
mircea_popescu they're obviously in no sense unfair, but they do break the mapping, which is undesirable. [00:12]
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mircea_popescu so if they're playing poker with bad cards (say, easy to recognise the queen of hearts) they may cut the queen of hearts game utility. [00:13]
mircea_popescu like, "but you only get 2/3 of the pot if you win it with a qh" or w/e. [00:13]
mircea_popescu it's nonsense to see such a rule in poker, per se. but in the context, as they're trying to map shit to a deck of cards, it makes sense. the change is due to the flaw. [00:14]
mircea_popescu in this sense, the fiat taboo on counterfitting is nonsensical, but we didn't notice this to be the case until bitcoin mapped better on the actual reality. [00:14]
mircea_popescu similarly, the fiat interdiction on theft, or the bizarre expectations of forumers (whoi mostly live in fiat, cause they're not smart enough for their culture to be programmable by themselves), indignant at hao dares bitbet not "refund" [00:15]
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chetty hmm bitcoin actually helps point out all the bad queens that have been mapped around over the years [00:17]
mircea_popescu yup. [00:17]
mircea_popescu well, at least some of them. [00:17]
mircea_popescu people arguing about how bitcoin will be obsoleted by "better tech", like that w3c muppet are mostly talking out of their ears. [00:18]
mircea_popescu imagine, something finding even better hiden queens ? it'll be centuries baby. [00:18]
joecool last i checked we were still using troy ounces for gold [00:18]
joecool and everyone hates that system [00:18]
chetty well I suppose bitcoin will start its own mapping [00:18]
benkay 1B -> /n/gAu, eventually. [00:20]
benkay give it three decades. [00:20]
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mircea_popescu !up cgcardona_ [00:21]
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cgcardona_ thank you sir. I authed w/ gribble. guess I forgot to !up [00:22]
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mircea_popescu :p [00:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0097 = 0.1067 BTC [+] [00:25]
ThickAsThieves i think my personal !up rule will be, I will up you on your first day, or if you are in mobile situations, otherwise, get with the program [00:25]
mircea_popescu i kinda up new faces [00:26]
jurov well.. that bitbet thing... if someone transferred money in error, it has become common sense to return them [00:27]
mircea_popescu there's nothing common or sensible about common sense [00:28]
jurov i don';t see how abandoning that notion is an improvement [00:28]
mircea_popescu but it depends what you're improving. [00:28]
jurov you clearly label that as improvement [00:28]
mircea_popescu has it become common sense that if you run over someone you back your car up ? [00:28]
jurov i woder how so? [00:28]
chetty there is a difference between error and attempt to cheat ... [00:28]
ThickAsThieves i feel like i missed the beginning of this conversation [00:29]
mircea_popescu i kinda have the same feeling [00:29]
jurov in bitbet case, both can easily be treated in the same way [00:29]
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mircea_popescu all things can easily be treated in the same way [00:29]
jurov me sending something to expired addy is in no way harming bitbet [00:29]
mircea_popescu that's not actually true. [00:30]
chetty if you do it a hundred times it is, takes time and effort to clean up [00:30]
mircea_popescu it is harming it in ways you decide to neglect. [00:30]
mircea_popescu which is improper, it's not your place to make that decision. it's bitbet's. [00:30]
davout jurov: the rationale is that if you count as valid bets that were sent very close to the time limit, and refund those who confirmed slightly after, you're creating an incentive to cheat since failure at cheating isn't punished [00:30]
mircea_popescu davout s/punished/punishable/ [00:31]
ThickAsThieves what's the current rule, if you miss closing you get a refund, if you miss resolution yer fucked? [00:32]
jurov yes [00:32]
mircea_popescu nah [00:32]
davout isn't it, if you miss either you're fucked ? [00:33]
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ThickAsThieves it should be [00:33]
mircea_popescu currently it works like so : if your bet makes it on bitbet after the bet is closed, it goes to dividends. if your bet makes it before it's closed but after an arbitrary time selected by bitbet mods, you get it back minus 1% [00:33]
ThickAsThieves so the only cirumstance for refund is if it's just before closing? [00:34]
ThickAsThieves (in this context) [00:34]
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ThickAsThieves why not publish a fixed time, like 10min before close [00:35]
mircea_popescu because it's not fixed, because the bet event can resolve at any given time, [00:35]
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mircea_popescu whereas the moderators are human beings. [00:35]
ThickAsThieves but it is closed at one specific time [00:35]
ThickAsThieves nevermind [00:35]
mircea_popescu the interval between where the bet event unexpectedly took place and the time when the mod got around to closing the bet is by its nature variable [00:35]
ThickAsThieves i get it [00:36]
jurov do you have evidence it actually deters cheating? [00:36]
mircea_popescu jurov yes, actually. [00:36]
ThickAsThieves that's actually the best argument ive heard for the arbitrary aspect so far [00:36]
ThickAsThieves surprised it didnt come up before [00:36]
mircea_popescu it's what i've been sayinbg all along, but hey. [00:36]
mircea_popescu form occasionally beats function. [00:36]
ThickAsThieves but the testingunodostres example does still ring sour [00:37]
ThickAsThieves but at least i have a somewhat digestible justfication now [00:37]
mircea_popescu rings sour to me too. [00:37]
mircea_popescu kinda what business is, staying above of an ever rising tide of sour. [00:38]
mircea_popescu http://www.jaktogo.com/ [00:39]
ozbot Jaktogo - travel solution for your extra luggage [00:39]
mircea_popescu check out the new terrorist bomber blazer. [00:39]
ThickAsThieves would look nice with a pair of Google Glasses [00:42]
bounce right, that's the first one I head about. there's a few more that produce a similar thing these days though. [00:42]
ThickAsThieves Estimated Next Difficulty: 8,193,502,073 (+17.40%) [00:42]
ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/?ref=1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk [00:43]
ozbot BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? [00:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22348 @ 0.00095446 = 21.3303 BTC [-] {2} [00:43]
bounce there's (at least) also rufus roo, bagket, and stuffa jacket [00:44]
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mircea_popescu it' [00:51]
mircea_popescu s done, the diff ? [00:51]
mircea_popescu .d [00:51]
ozbot 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.6493% in 6d 23h 55m 34s [00:51]
mircea_popescu justabout. [00:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [00:51]
ThickAsThieves i thought my backup drive died while away, turns out it was just the power supply [00:52]
ThickAsThieves never had that happen before [00:52]
bounce now you know. PSUs die too. [00:54]
ThickAsThieves sure, in computers, all the time [00:55]
ThickAsThieves but this is a wall wart [00:55]
bounce well, obviously, /those/ cannot ever die. [00:56]
ThickAsThieves :) [00:56]
ThickAsThieves now yer speakin mah langwidge [00:57]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [01:35]
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ThickAsThieves http://rt.com/usa/154120-nypd-hashtag-twitter-police/ [01:40]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm around now, been out all day. [01:44]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I bet they thought that was a good idea at the time [01:44]
mircea_popescu o hey. [01:45]
mircea_popescu Naphex you here ? [01:45]
fluffypony weren't we talking about quantum computing earlier? [01:46]
fluffypony relevant: http://abstrusegoose.com/564 [01:47]
ThickAsThieves not exactly flyffypony [01:49]
fluffypony oh it was mentioned in the context of Mirceanomics [01:49]
fluffypony I remember now [01:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 502 @ 0.00022073 = 0.1108 BTC [-] {3} [01:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.525 = 2.1 BTC [-] [01:57]
asciilifeform http://abstrusegoose.com/564 << this (unfortunately minus the second half!) actually happened. [01:59]
ozbot Abstruse Goose | Quantum Secrets [01:59]
asciilifeform ;;google lumped approximation [01:59]
gribble Lumped element model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Lumped Approximation - inst.eecs: ; Lumped vs. Distributed Systems - CCRMA - Stanford University: [01:59]
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asciilifeform used to be, you had to understand maxwell's equations to fuck with electronics [02:00]
BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99232 [02:00]
ozbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:00]
BingoBoingo Everything comes back to Peirce [02:00]
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mircea_popescu seems that way [02:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in case you missed: http://loper-os.org/pub/humans [02:03]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I saw. Seems I'll have to work on clearing up that awful pending legal matter so that I may cross borders next year. [02:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or build glider. [02:05]
asciilifeform me colleagues, viewing photos: 'damnit skip to the next one with the girl!' [02:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe that powdered alcohol will be cheap enough to build a rocket, because I don't anticipate it being very drinkable. [02:07]
mircea_popescu "Once the tobacco is on the compound, the pouches wholesale for 50 books of stamps, or $300 each. Each pouch is then broken down into 80 to 100 tiny rollups that cost one book each, or six dollars. A $3 pouch of Bugler ends up retailing inside for about $600—a 20,000% markup." [02:07]
asciilifeform i had to explain that these are not issued at the airport. [02:07]
mircea_popescu holy shit. this is almost as good as the music industry. [02:07]
asciilifeform letmeguess [02:07]
asciilifeform russian prison [02:07]
mircea_popescu mno. us. [02:07]
asciilifeform this is how people get the idea that giant sums move in the prison [02:07]
asciilifeform they don't [02:07]
mircea_popescu http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/02/with-cigarettes-banned-in-most-prisons-gangs-shift-from-drugs-to-smokes.html#url=/articles/2013/06/02/with-cigarettes-banned-in-most-prisons-gangs-shift-from-drugs-to-smokes.html [02:07]
ozbot With Cigarettes Banned In Most Prisons, Gangs Shift From Drugs To Smokes - The Daily Beast [02:07]
asciilifeform the prices are merely reflective of scarcity. [02:07]
asciilifeform like washington housing. [02:07]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: one day (tm) we rocket straight out of this pisshole, never look back. [02:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they do, to the same degree huge sums move in us banking system. [02:08]
mircea_popescu "hgere's a book of stamps worth 3 trn" [02:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30656 @ 0.00095738 = 29.3494 BTC [+] {2} [02:09]
asciilifeform lol [02:09]
BingoBoingo Still the other medium of exchange (stamps) have a fixed value outside the prison [02:09]
mircea_popescu "here's a debentures package in exchange, worth 5 trn. good deal for you" [02:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes. fixed to 0. [02:09]
mircea_popescu who the fuck uses stamps. [02:09]
BingoBoingo I do rather frequently. [02:09]
asciilifeform can't recall the last time using stamp [02:09]
mircea_popescu you're a weirdo. [02:09]
asciilifeform aye [02:10]
BingoBoingo I've also on occasion GPG signed snail mail [02:10]
mircea_popescu last time i used stamps i was making lolpasties for tits. [02:10]
asciilifeform even mailing cheques, nowadays one generally uses bank feature that autoprints one and mails [02:10]
benkay asciilifeform: and yet i have to explain this to just about 1/3 clients. [02:11]
benkay granted, my clients are small and derpy with the technology. [02:11]
BingoBoingo Well most of the communication with the lawyer has been either in person or over the mail. [02:12]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re: rocketing out of pesthole - http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Home_20Escape_20Vehicle [02:14]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Very interesting. I was actually thinking about maybe going cheap and just canoeing the mississippi and gulf coast to Mexico [02:16]
asciilifeform http://www.halfbakery.com/user/dsm [02:17]
ozbot dsm [02:17]
asciilifeform yours truly as bored schoolboy [02:17]
mircea_popescu !up alexsanjose [02:17]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Now I'm going to have to digest that entire site's text [02:17]
asciilifeform lul, don't, it's horrifying [02:18]
BingoBoingo horrifying text is the best [02:19]
mircea_popescu anyway. BingoBoingo how would you like to do some btc/usd arbitrage for me too ? [02:19]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I don't think I have the time to effectively do btc/usd artbitrage [02:20]
mircea_popescu it's basically just a scaled up version of the atc thing [02:20]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose you the reuters chick ? [02:22]
BingoBoingo Well, the outstanding student loan debts make holding any substantial USD impractical [02:22]
mircea_popescu i'd be holding it. [02:22]
mircea_popescu on this tiny romanian exchange Naphex's been trying to get into shape [02:22]
mircea_popescu currently the spread is wider than my fist. [02:22]
mircea_popescu (to speak you type in the bottom bar and hit enter) [02:23]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: can't be much volume tho? [02:23]
mircea_popescu fluffypony wouldn't be much, no. [02:24]
BingoBoingo I don't think I've ever worked to narrow a spread. I've tried to keep the ATC spread as wide as Hilary's ass. [02:24]
mircea_popescu lol [02:24]
mircea_popescu spreads narrow naturally. [02:24]
BingoBoingo I'll think on it. [02:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, my idea is, ima open an acct, give you 10 btc or w/e, you can trade around but not withdraw. [02:25]
BingoBoingo That might work. [02:25]
mircea_popescu course gotta see if the guy's amenable to it too, but otherwise should be win-win-win, he gets some activity, you get more trading experience, i get some gains or w/e. [02:25]
fluffypony I played around with arbitrage on BitX.co.za, crappy local exchange, as it generally sits ~5% above Bitstamp, but with a daily volume of ~10 BTC it ends up being a lot of work for maybe $50 in profit [02:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If he's amenable to the thing I'll probably be inclined to try it as there's a bit more details nao. I'm going to drink on this idea and let tomorrow's hangover show the way. [02:29]
benkay how are you still getting hangovers, BingoBoingo [02:29]
mircea_popescu works. show up on some sort of romanian time tho, otherwise we'll be all thestringpullering this for a week :D [02:30]
benkay HO HO ZING [02:30]
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mircea_popescu benkay liver transplant. [02:30]
BingoBoingo Oh, what did thestringpuller do recently? [02:31]
benkay constantly pinging myself and mod6 in -assets [02:31]
BingoBoingo Ah [02:31]
benkay leastaways, i assume that's what mircea_popescu 's on about [02:31]
mircea_popescu poor guy. we love you still thestringpuller, it's just cute is all. [02:31]
BingoBoingo benkay: I still get hangovers because I drink to win. [02:32]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: quitting is for losers [02:32]
benkay to be fair to thestringpuller mod6 and i've been unpredictably online lately [02:33]
benkay caught a message in the middle of marinading pork over the weekend, f'r instance. [02:33]
benkay "nuh-uh, buddy. busy cooking atm." [02:33]
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mircea_popescu benkay i made epic bbq rib today. [02:34]
BingoBoingo Is there any other kind? [02:35]
mircea_popescu well there's lousy... [02:35]
mircea_popescu but i don;t make that. [02:35]
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BingoBoingo Sometime this summer I want to try a standing beef rib roast on the kettle grill. [02:36]
fluffypony I had a braai (bbq) last night, also did ribs [02:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53149999 BTC [+] [02:36]
fluffypony although I think I'm over pork ribs, going back to beef [02:36]
dexX7 http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/humans/ << who is who? =D [02:36]
mircea_popescu this was open gas oven. not ideal, but i found a way to use the cast iron pan's handle to prop the door open just enough. gets it reasonably cool. [02:36]
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BingoBoingo Interesting. [02:37]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: that's the way forward, I tend to burn my meat a lil' on an open flame, but in the Weber I can shove the coals to the side and let it cook at leisure [02:38]
benkay coal grilling? [02:38]
benkay take me back., [02:38]
fluffypony wood oals [02:38]
fluffypony *coals [02:38]
BingoBoingo benkay: Well charcoal. [02:38]
fluffypony ^^ [02:38]
benkay no i mean takes me back to middle school when i was learning to grill caveman style [02:38]
BingoBoingo Ah [02:39]
benkay these days all i want is a hot gas flowing by [02:39]
fluffypony gas doesn't give the meat the same flavour [02:39]
benkay ya well [02:39]
BingoBoingo I haven't seen many gas grills that can get hot enough for steaks. [02:39]
fluffypony plus a charcoal braai is a South African tradition, we even have a public holiday that has become Braai Day (nfi what the actual holiday is for any longer) [02:39]
benkay there are tradeoffs everywhere. [02:39]
benkay BingoBoingo: lolwut [02:39]
benkay hot enough for Maillard on the surface? [02:40]
fluffypony benkay: gas is awesome for breakfast, nothing like a good morning fry-up [02:40]
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BingoBoingo benkay: Well hot enough for a proper sear. [02:40]
fluffypony I'm with BingoBoingo on this one - if you're going to sear a steak... [02:40]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude you nuts, gas burns at like 2k degrees [02:41]
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mircea_popescu it's hot enough to work glass and forge steel. [02:41]
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fluffypony crap is it that late [02:42]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: American gas grills typically top out around 600F at a cooking height above the burners. Because we suck. (problem can be remedied by using acetylene instead of propane [02:43]
BingoBoingo ) [02:43]
moiety lol fluffypony i replied to that thread on btctalk. [02:43]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo europe uses nat gas. ch4 burns hot. [02:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: 'Murica uses Propane [02:43]
mircea_popescu propane sucks. [02:44]
BingoBoingo On grils [02:44]
mircea_popescu it smells bad too [02:44]
BingoBoingo Yeah [02:44]
mircea_popescu i mean ppl say "gas is not the same flavour", but : propane stinks. [02:44]
mircea_popescu methane is inodorous. [02:44]
benkay oh [02:44]
benkay see i typically cook on grills wired into the natural gas [02:44]
BingoBoingo Inside gas is still CH4, but LPG in portable tanks is propane primarily [02:44]
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fluffypony moiety: did you at least get a pink knitted jersey with the Bitcoin logo on it? [02:44]
moiety hello all [02:45]
benkay ey moiety [02:45]
moiety fluffypony: i didn't even go to the site [02:45]
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moiety ooh benkay sans ` [02:45]
BingoBoingo People out in the boonies use propane for household use if they lack infrastructure for real gas [02:45]
BingoBoingo hello moiety [02:46]
moiety mircea_popescu: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634572 you mean like: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/china-canned-air-chen-guangbiao-chinese-millionaire_n_2574901.html ? :D [02:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096232 = 21.171 BTC [+] {2} [02:46]
moiety hi BingoBoingo :D how's you? [02:47]
BingoBoingo Not bad [02:47]
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BingoBoingo !up alexsanjose [02:47]
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BingoBoingo Oh, rabite got voiced this morning? [02:52]
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ThickAsThieves "The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau told CNN that its approval of Palchohol was an error." [02:53]
joecool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U ? [02:54]
ozbot Perri-Air - YouTube [02:54]
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BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Have you read any of the paper work on the hows of it? [02:55]
ThickAsThieves i have not [02:56]
ThickAsThieves while i see no reason it shouldnt be legal, it's obviously gonna destroy some shit [02:56]
ThickAsThieves "5. How is it made? If we told you, we'd have to shoot you. We are in the process of patenting it and it is currently patent pending." [02:57]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: My objection to it as recreational consumer is that the carbohydrates are going to make shit too sweet. [02:57]
ThickAsThieves "Palcohol is gluten free." [02:58]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:58]
BingoBoingo Basically you disolve the alcohol into a mix of sugars and higher molecular weight carbohydrates. [02:58]
BingoBoingo And it seems by weight they can't even get that much alcohol into the stuff. [02:59]
ThickAsThieves they claim the weight is intentional [03:00]
ThickAsThieves to deter snorters [03:00]
BingoBoingo ... [03:01]
BingoBoingo The weight is necessary, because alcohol is a substance [03:02]
BingoBoingo with physical properties [03:02]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190032/Butterfly-Labs-Production-of-Requested-Information-December-6-2013 [03:04]
ozbot Butterfly Labs Production of Requested Information (December 6, 2013) [03:04]
BingoBoingo It's physical properties preclude it from being as snortable as say... cocaine and heroin... because it takes quite a bit of alcohol by mass to induce the desired effect. [03:04]
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ThickAsThieves meanwhile the BFL 28nm chips still havent shipped? [03:06]
BingoBoingo They have not to my knowledge [03:07]
mircea_popescu moiety i wonder if there's any money in "famous star queefs" [03:07]
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mircea_popescu "buy a bottle of angelina jolie's pussy air!" [03:07]
benkay cunt drafts [03:08]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes. [03:09]
BingoBoingo Spz an one ounce shot of vodka, which is ~32 grams... That's about 10 grams of ETOH plus binders to get up the nose [03:10]
BingoBoingo Once the binders are accounted for that's probably still in the end 32 grams just to take a shot of vodka nasally. [03:11]
joecool i assume insufflation of alcohol would be a bad time, does it even matter to bulk it up? [03:11]
joecool i would guess it would burn and end up with instant bloody nose if you tried [03:12]
moiety lol mircea_popescu i'd imagine some celebrities would be cheaper and more supply than others, like lindsay lohan compared to lisa kudrow for example [03:12]
BingoBoingo joecool: Well the bulk is necessary to render it a powder [03:13]
mircea_popescu moiety i wonder if portia de rossi cuntair would go for more than lisa kudrwo cunt air [03:15]
mircea_popescu seeing how... lezzie, no cock stink. [03:16]
joecool BingoBoingo: what are they using as a bulking agent, dextrose? [03:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo one chick i knew was on a half bottle of white wine anally pre-going to town diet for a while. [03:16]
mircea_popescu relaxed her nicely. [03:16]
mircea_popescu just as good as snorting except much better. [03:17]
BingoBoingo joecool: Older attempts indeed used dextrose along with some heavier carbohydrates. Probably the same or similar here [03:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Indeed. That route of administration has a reputation for efficiency [03:18]
moiety mircea_popescu: i think it would, she wins on the exotic front [03:18]
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moiety what a waste of wine [03:18]
moiety oh i was getting portia totally mixed up... but i stand by my yes [03:19]
moiety i was thinking of Isabella Rossellini [03:20]
moiety ah its nice to be back lol [03:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33781 @ 0.00096334 = 32.5426 BTC [+] [03:22]
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BingoBoingo I wonder how much some Maya Angelou or Angela Merkel would go for. [03:23]
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mod6 eew [03:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0048 = 0.288 BTC [+] [03:27]
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moiety these need to be on the rare whiffs section BingoBoingo [03:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0009568 = 27.6515 BTC [-] {2} [03:32]
BingoBoingo moiety: Naturally, but definitely not on the discount whiffs. [03:33]
moiety political pussys [03:33]
moiety oh of course [03:33]
ThickAsThieves "A massive computer failure at the US Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) is reportedly wreaking havoc on US immigration courts, with application outages continuing well into their second week." [03:34]
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BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: http://valleywag.gawker.com/emperor-of-the-glassholes-finally-feels-shame-1566277951/+sarah-hedgecock [03:36]
ThickAsThieves i havent adorned mine since the week they arrived... [03:38]
ThickAsThieves i'm embarassed to wear them around the house, nevermind in public [03:38]
ThickAsThieves they had that one day where anyone could buy a Google Glass, that was probably them cashing out [03:39]
BingoBoingo I think that is all of the endorsement Google Glass needs. Abandoned faster than NeoBBQ [03:39]
moiety it's funny what's said about glass at coachella, when there was a giant snail going about filming everything [03:40]
kakobrekla !up alexsanjose [03:41]
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kakobrekla hi alexsanjose , you may type in this box [03:45]
alexsanjose hi thanks kakobrekla [03:46]
alexsanjose your user name is way better than mine btw [03:46]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BrendanKutyNJ/statuses/458718232867008512 [03:47]
ozbot Twitter / BrendanKutyNJ: #RedSox fan mocking #yankees ... [03:47]
kakobrekla lol, thanks but yours isnt bad either! [03:47]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: He's had more time to practice his username [03:47]
kakobrekla so if i get this correctly you want to speak with mircea_popescu [03:47]
alexsanjose yes [03:47]
kakobrekla well hopefully he pops back in soon enough [03:49]
alexsanjose would there be a way to sked a chat in here? [03:49]
kakobrekla he is online most of the any day. [03:50]
kakobrekla :) [03:50]
alexsanjose i m such a luddite [03:50]
alexsanjose ok [03:50]
BingoBoingo Seriously. He is nearly always online. [03:50]
asciilifeform re: solid alcohol: the word is clathrate. [03:50]
asciilifeform ;;google clathrate [03:50]
gribble Clathrate compound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Methane clathrate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Clathrate hydrate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [03:50]
alexsanjose not too good for a cocktail [03:50]
kakobrekla alexsanjose , IRC is not always a real time thing, but once you get the conversation going its the best way to go [03:51]
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alexsanjose understood [03:51]
ThickAsThieves it is like 4am in mp's timezone though [03:51]
alexsanjose what time zone are you/mircea in ? [03:51]
alexsanjose ah [03:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I had a suspicion you'd be the first person to bring the c-word into this [03:51]
asciilifeform why. [03:51]
kakobrekla yes but in his internal clock that is like 6 pm. [03:51]
asciilifeform chemistry, i didn't invent. [03:52]
asciilifeform it sort of existed without me [03:52]
asciilifeform like many other useful things [03:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Your general technical curiosity would lead you to find it if you hadn't had it already [03:52]
asciilifeform re: arbitrage people - i've an arbitrobot, common lisp, sits sadly, 'cockpit glass to the sky, wings with holes' [03:52]
alexsanjose hmm its nearly 8 pm here. perhaps i should try back tomorrow morning [03:53]
alexsanjose if i can figure out how to log back in with my crappy user name :) [03:53]
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kakobrekla lol, no sweat. [03:53]
asciilifeform and wtf the point of solid ethanol? snorting? [03:54]
asciilifeform the brits already have a monstrosity where you breathe EtOH through a mask [03:54]
asciilifeform no distillation byproduct oils, no hangover. [03:54]
kakobrekla alexsanjose at least we got you talking [03:54]
asciilifeform but, why. [03:54]
alexsanjose haha [03:54]
alexsanjose yes [03:54]
alexsanjose baby steps [03:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seems the impetus is novelty sales. [03:55]
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alexsanjose pretty soon i ll be commenting openly on solid ethanol [03:55]
alexsanjose thanks for your help kakobrekla [03:55]
kakobrekla welcome [03:55]
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kakobrekla hopefully someone will voice you when you rejoin [03:56]
kakobrekla if not, try to bug someone on private (usually you can open a private window by doublecliking on the nickname) [03:56]
asciilifeform re: cooking with acetylene - fellow DIY crackpot suggested to me, hooking an oxygen cylinder to the air intake of laser cutter in place of compressor [03:57]
asciilifeform apparently cuts sheet steel! [03:57]
TestingUnoDosTre ill keep an eye out [03:57]
asciilifeform (down side - might end up 'Darkman') [03:57]
BingoBoingo Thankfully ETOH troche's already exist (Jello Shots in the vulgate) [03:57]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose so what;s up ? [03:59]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo prolly has a pantryfull of golda meir stashed away. [04:00]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: How'd you guess? [04:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i have powers. atm, watch me ping pong with my alex alt to troll kako. [04:00]
kakobrekla you did not say that. [04:01]
mircea_popescu twasn't me. [04:01]
asciilifeform ;;google water torch [04:02]
gribble Water torch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; DIY HHO Torch (Water Torch) for only $4 - Instructables: ; turn water to fire - YouTube: [04:02]
asciilifeform that'd go great with laser. [04:02]
BingoBoingo I keep the Golda Meir next to Menachem Begin's cunny wafts [04:02]
mircea_popescu these people and their names. zeev dov ? srsly ? [04:02]
mircea_popescu makes dweezil sound tame. [04:02]
asciilifeform doron zeilberger. [04:03]
TestingUnoDosTre i don't see these people? [04:03]
mircea_popescu http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/OPINIONS.html not so bad. [04:04]
ozbot Opinions of Doron Zeilberger [04:04]
asciilifeform him. [04:04]
asciilifeform linked off my site's sidebar. [04:04]
mircea_popescu "It is about time to abolish the immoral institution of `Anonymous Referee'. Even in the paper era, with its paper-mentality elitism, it was superfluous. A paper is either worth publishing or not. If it is not, you should have the guts to say it out loud, and if you are right, the author should thank you for saving him or her embarrassment." [04:05]
asciilifeform anyone who ever took part in the academia racket knows that 'anonymous referees' is a crock o'shit [04:06]
asciilifeform you can always tell who the 'mean girlz' are [04:06]
BingoBoingo Pretty much [04:07]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform have you ever seen warehouse 13? [04:08]
asciilifeform negative [04:08]
thestringpuller you remind me of a character from that show [04:08]
thestringpuller ;;ident [04:09]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. [04:09]
thestringpuller ^^^ [04:09]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: see voiced with no auth [04:09]
mircea_popescu is it good or bad when one reminds of show characters ? [04:09]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller yes, if gribble blinks. i was in that situation earier today [04:09]
thestringpuller in this case it's a good thing [04:09]
BingoBoingo Probably depends on show and character [04:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo overall. [04:09]
asciilifeform i was recently accused of being rick, from 'rick and morty' [04:10]
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BingoBoingo Given the number of shit shows and shit characters, the default assumption probably ought to be negative, but there is probably a positive bias because these things tend to happen on the basic that the characters were memorable [04:10]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: that's a compliment if I ever heard one [04:11]
thestringpuller since rick is probably what I'd want to be if I were a grandpa [04:11]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Why aren't you a grandpa? [04:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00096019 = 17.8595 BTC [+] [04:12]
BingoBoingo !up alexsanjose [04:12]
assbot Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes. [04:12]
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alexsanjose hello [04:13]
mircea_popescu hey alexsanjose [04:13]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: i would first have to have kids no? [04:13]
mircea_popescu imo asciilifeform is 100% dexter, boy genius. [04:13]
TestingUnoDosTre hahaha [04:13]
mircea_popescu we just need to engineer him a blue eyed, goldilocks'd ballerina [04:13]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Sure [04:13]
mircea_popescu to ruin his show. [04:13]
alexsanjose hi mircea [04:13]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu used to watch dexter's lab? wow [04:13]
thestringpuller @_@ [04:14]
alexsanjose i understand its like 4 am your time [04:14]
mircea_popescu i like 3 cartoon shows, cow and chicken, animaniacs and dexter's lab. [04:14]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose i don't keep regular hours. [04:14]
alexsanjose needless to say [04:14]
alexsanjose :_ [04:14]
alexsanjose :) [04:14]
mircea_popescu lol [04:14]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: most people here don't keep close to regular hours [04:14]
mircea_popescu http://i.cdn.turner.com/asfix/repository/8a250ba13f865824013fc9db8b6b0400/thumbnail_751543065560118081.jpg << rick and morty do timisoara. [04:14]
alexsanjose you sure? i can happily bug you tomorrow [04:14]
mircea_popescu makes no difference. [04:15]
alexsanjose ok [04:15]
TestingUnoDosTre are you talking to yourself? I'm confused here [04:15]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre well... maybe it's late where you are ? :D [04:16]
alexsanjose so, i guess to start i was wondering if you could tell me what your role is w BitBet [04:16]
mircea_popescu i'm a cofounder. [04:16]
mircea_popescu did you read the contract, incidentally ? [04:16]
alexsanjose me? no [04:16]
TestingUnoDosTre whyd you say "watch me ping pong with my alex alt to troll kako" ? [04:17]
alexsanjose what contract? [04:17]
BingoBoingo http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET [04:17]
ozbot S.BBET last 357@0.00055999 [04:17]
BingoBoingo ^^ [04:17]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre yes, but I WAS TROLLING KAKO when i said that. [04:17]
BingoBoingo The contract is on the MPEx page for the security [04:17]
mircea_popescu see ? double meta. [04:17]
BingoBoingo Neta? [04:17]
alexsanjose wow lots of info thanks [04:18]
BingoBoingo Personally I am waiting for S.MNKY [04:18]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Where did you first hear about BitBet? [04:20]
mircea_popescu ɰeta [04:21]
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alexsanjose I saw it on a website that was evaluating bitcoin gambling sites [04:23]
alexsanjose cant remember which [04:23]
alexsanjose so, mircea_popescu, what drove u and your cofounder to set up bitbet [04:24]
BingoBoingo Plz tell me it was thissun http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ [04:24]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose did you read http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ ? [04:25]
mircea_popescu "He’s ostentatious – he once folded up paper airplanes made of money and threw them from Vkontakte office windows." [04:26]
mircea_popescu this is supposed to be ostentatious ? since when is russian paper worth anything ? [04:26]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: rick and morty do timisoara << lol! morty is 'rotor'! [04:28]
asciilifeform (for some reason i always thought of this situation as 'rotor/stators') [04:28]
alexsanjose hmm ok [04:30]
alexsanjose thats a primer on sniffing out fraud [04:30]
mircea_popescu you're missing a lot of history. at the time i made mpex, there existed a "competitor", glbse. it was basically a scam, and has meanwhile died [04:31]
mircea_popescu (and reincarnated, and died again, 3x) [04:31]
alexsanjose ok [04:31]
mircea_popescu at the time we made bitbet, there also existed a "competitor", i forget the exact thing [04:31]
mircea_popescu it also died [04:31]
mircea_popescu betssomething [04:31]
alexsanjose ah [04:31]
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mircea_popescu it's a pattern, this. [04:31]
asciilifeform reincarnated, and died again << 'Ленин - жил, Ленин - жив, Ленин - будет жить!' [04:31]
alexsanjose but what made you decide in jan 2013 that this would be a good business to get into? [04:32]
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asciilifeform ('lenin - lived, lenin - lives, lenin - shall live!') [04:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ever found http://trilema.com/2010/lich/ btw ? [04:32]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: The erstwhile competitor to BitBet was betsofbitco.in (Operator has since disappeared) [04:32]
asciilifeform http://www.davno.ru/assets/images/posters/big/poster-1967a.jpg [04:32]
alexsanjose thanks [04:32]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose i don't do business per se. i tend to provide critical infrastructure pieces for bitcoin finance is all. [04:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lich << yes! [04:33]
mircea_popescu one of my fav stories, koscei [04:33]
asciilifeform same. [04:34]
asciilifeform 'Fairy Tales are blamed for teaching children that there are such things as monsters. Children already know that there are monsters. What Fairy Tales really teach is that monsters can be killed.' [04:35]
alexsanjose but when u earn 1.19395524 BTC in March, a portion goes to shareholders, a portion to operations and a portion to u no? [04:35]
mircea_popescu and perhaps also should. [04:35]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose i'm worth about a million give or take. [04:35]
alexsanjose :) [04:35]
alexsanjose what currency? [04:35]
mircea_popescu bitcoin, which obviously isn't a currency. [04:35]
alexsanjose ok [04:36]
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mircea_popescu i'm also worth a few million atc, i guess, which is a similar problem. what sort of business opportunity did i see there ? [04:36]
mircea_popescu well... not exactly business per se. [04:36]
asciilifeform alexsanjose: what was your guess? zimbabwe dollars? [04:36]
alexsanjose hahaha [04:36]
alexsanjose colones [04:37]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/portret-al-artistului-la-tinerete/ [04:37]
ozbot Portret al artistului la tinerete pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:37]
mircea_popescu that's about 1mn colones or so. [04:37]
alexsanjose so i read the faq on the website, but can you walk me thru placing a bet? [04:37]
mircea_popescu i guess... ANY currency. hey, cool. [04:37]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose do you have a bitcoin wallet ? [04:37]
alexsanjose no [04:37]
alexsanjose i m a consommate luddite [04:38]
asciilifeform alexsanjose: it takes about the same titanic intellectual effort as operating... a lift. [04:38]
mircea_popescu well then we got problems. [04:38]
alexsanjose why s that [04:38]
mircea_popescu consummate ? [04:38]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: We're going to flip a coin. [04:38]
BingoBoingo Heads is Multibit, tails is Electrum [04:38]
mircea_popescu well because without bitcoin you don't exist. also because you need it to bet on bitbet. [04:38]
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alexsanjose hard currency is so 2009 i know :) [04:39]
mircea_popescu not all that useful these days. [04:40]
BingoBoingo Currency died in the 1970's it is all about assets nao [04:40]
btclovernick what [04:40]
btclovernick why is price below $500 [04:40]
kakobrekla and now !down ... [04:40]
mircea_popescu btclovernick well had you been here asking earlier it could have been perhaps averted [04:40]
BingoBoingo btclovernick: Because Bitstamp fractional reserve [04:40]
alexsanjose i was just surprised because i know the sites i m familiar with require custoemrs to set up an account [04:40]
alexsanjose transfer money from their wallet [04:40]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose that'd be part of the great power of bitcoin. you don't need accounts. [04:40]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: They way Bitbet works is everything is tied to addresses [04:40]
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btclovernick mircea_popescu assobt? [04:41]
btclovernick what do u mean [04:41]
mircea_popescu !down btclovernick [04:41]
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BingoBoingo Instead of accounts everything is merely a ledger balance, forced into the right place [04:41]
BingoBoingo Through a respect for the immutability of actual history [04:42]
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asciilifeform http://www.mirrorpix.com/webgate/preview.php?UURL=5f26f3f6959bc55c7f5a2d0f178fa26b&IMGID=00204661 [04:42]
ozbot Preview [04:42]
asciilifeform (re: price wtf) [04:42]
kakobrekla !up alexsanjose [04:43]
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alexsanjose thanks [04:43]
alexsanjose so if i bet that obama is going to say bitcoin before 2015 [04:43]
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alexsanjose it costs me 0.22 BTC if i want to bet yes? [04:44]
asciilifeform this'll be like yeltsin, standing on tank, saying '-former- soviet union.' [04:44]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose you can bey any sum you wish. [04:45]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: You can place any amount. It may be easier if you go through the process of placing a position on BitBet. I can give/lend you a balance to do this depending on your agency's ethic's rules. [04:45]
alexsanjose kind of u [04:45]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [04:45]
alexsanjose prolly some sort of ethics violation there. i ll ask tho [04:45]
alexsanjose so u bet the sum that u wish [04:46]
BingoBoingo Right [04:46]
alexsanjose and the odds below lay out your earnings should u win [04:46]
BingoBoingo Well, odds given existing bets. [04:46]
BingoBoingo Large bets can move the pot considerably. [04:46]
alexsanjose ie, if u bet 1 btc, and obama says it before jan 2015, you get 1.24683344 BTC [04:46]
BingoBoingo The thing is mutual betting so it is pile of money and weight versus other pile of money and weight. [04:47]
mircea_popescu so far. [04:47]
BingoBoingo To guarentee odds you may need to place multiple bets. [04:47]
alexsanjose hmm [04:47]
BingoBoingo It's like a prediction market but sane [04:47]
BingoBoingo Not simple, but sane [04:48]
alexsanjose the odds shift as the numbers of players and amounts of bets shifts the balance on either side? [04:48]
mircea_popescu yes. [04:48]
asciilifeform other fun feature, in my eyes, is that a prediction market has an... action market, 'inside, wiggling to get out.' [04:48]
BingoBoingo And bets are committed until the bet's resolution. [04:48]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And that is what decay's sanity. Not the stress, but the roundworms [04:49]
alexsanjose but on the mechanics of it, kust to be simple, assuming the odds dont change -- i put in 1 btc and get out 1.24 if i win [04:49]
alexsanjose if i lose i lose the entire 1 btc i bet, correct? [04:49]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/458754630827388928 << and nell says derping nao. [04:49]
ozbot Twitter / anjiecast: Aaron Sorkin apologizes for ... [04:49]
BingoBoingo If you lose you lose your whole stake [04:49]
alexsanjose wouldnt i tho? [04:49]
BingoBoingo If you win though, it really depends on what happens to the pot after you place your bet. You could win more or less. [04:50]
alexsanjose its february, 2015. obama has overlooked a growing trend and failed to mention those two syllables -- i lose 100 pct of the bet i placed, no? [04:50]
alexsanjose ack [04:50]
alexsanjose but if i lose? [04:50]
BingoBoingo If you lose you lose. That part is simple. Winning is the complicated part. [04:51]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: I dunno if you parse python much, but the math for calculating winnings is all in here https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-bitbet-us-buggy.86712/#post-1492473 [04:52]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre bounce artifexd mike_c and the rest of the supermath python gurus : maybe write a script that takes a bet and spits out the moving odds as the bets come in ? [04:52]
BingoBoingo If you don't parse it someone from it can for you. [04:52]
alexsanjose ok [04:52]
alexsanjose and what s the rake? [04:52]
mircea_popescu like an old bet i mean, with a lot of bets on it. [04:52]
BingoBoingo 1% [04:52]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose 1% yeah [04:52]
alexsanjose and does that account for 100 pct of the profit? [04:53]
artifexd Is there a feed or would I have to continually poll? [04:53]
mircea_popescu artifexd no there's feeds. [04:53]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose bitbet also sells advertising [04:53]
BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/34/an-asic-unit-from-either-bfl-avalon-or/ [04:53]
ozbot BitBet - An ASIC unit from either BFL, Avalon or BTCFPGA will ship before Feb 1st. [04:53]
asciilifeform i notice that the folks who are innocent of python et al can still work a spreadshit. somebody maybe post a spreadshit for them. [04:53]
mircea_popescu http://www.alexalper.com/resume/ << check it out, the luddite has a dedicated website. [04:54]
ozbot Alex Alper » Resume [04:54]
mircea_popescu how's capeverdian creole sound like ? [04:54]
alexsanjose haha [04:54]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: That bet I linked http://bitbet.us/bet/34/an-asic-unit-from-either-bfl-avalon-or/ gives a good dataset for understanding how successive bets affect bitbet winnings [04:54]
alexsanjose thanks [04:55]
artifexd Hey, look at that. There's even a twitter feed that I can pull from. [04:55]
mircea_popescu artifexd better pull from the feeds tho. kakobrekla what were the feeds again / [04:55]
alexsanjose so what is the breakdown on profit -- rake v advertising? [04:55]
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BingoBoingo It varies month to month [04:55]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose you know it's in the reports, there's a special line for advertising [04:55]
mircea_popescu i think it's about 10% as a degree of magnitude [04:56]
alexsanjose cape verdean creole is like simplified portuguese - mo ki bu sta? [04:56]
alexsanjose ok [04:56]
BingoBoingo much of the profit comes from infrequent, but increasingly frequent massive bets [04:56]
alexsanjose i ll look for it later [04:56]
mircea_popescu interesting. an' Frenchand Malinke ? [04:56]
alexsanjose and where do the bets come from? is that something you guys come up w ? [04:56]
alexsanjose Malinke is awesome [04:56]
kakobrekla artifexd rss feeds are linked on right side, if that is what you need [04:56]
mircea_popescu what do you mean where they come from o.O [04:56]
alexsanjose its like an alternative view of reality [04:56]
asciilifeform alexsanjose: simplified portuguese << as in 'africaans' vs dutch ? [04:56]
alexsanjose but who s interviewing who :) [04:57]
artifexd I want something more push-y than pull-y [04:57]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose are you just in love with some native speaker ? [04:57]
mircea_popescu this is irc, we got time. [04:57]
alexsanjose haha [04:57]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: BBET statements http://trilema.com/category/sbbet/ [04:57]
alexsanjose no its just interesting. for english speakers romance languages sorta open your world view when they teach u subjunctive and then the african languages is like a whol different kettle of fish [04:57]
alexsanjose but i digress [04:58]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know it occurs to me it's probably like a particular cognitive skill, being able to follow irc convos. "disentagle a skein of thought" as the expression went. [04:58]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Sometimes they come up with bet, sometimes assholes like me write bets http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ [04:58]
asciilifeform today i lined up a bunch of inglischers and had them try reading Ro street signs, menus, etc. from photographs. [04:58]
alexsanjose for example there is a way to say "my" when u mean "myhusband" and a different "my" for "my bitcoin wallet" cuz humans matter more [04:58]
alexsanjose cool [04:59]
kakobrekla not more than bitcoin wallet [04:59]
alexsanjose haha! and do u deliberately try to space out the bets so a tricle of them are coming due every week month etc? [04:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course it is. And the best practice for this is plato when he is modeling a drunk crowd in the dialogues. [04:59]
asciilifeform mein Führer. [05:00]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: They really can't. Even mircea_popescu can't affect when the world series ends. [05:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo arguably. [05:00]
alexsanjose ok [05:00]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well not this decade. [05:00]
mircea_popescu end it all!!11 [05:00]
alexsanjose BingoBoingo, do u mind if i ask u what your role is w bitbet since u re kindly asnwering a bunch of my qs? [05:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla your bitcoin wallet thanks you for your loyalty. [05:01]
kakobrekla i kno rite [05:01]
mircea_popescu he just likes talking to girls. [05:01]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: I bet there and I submit bets to there. More than half of my submitted bets have been rejected. I' a regualr in this channel though. [05:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39970 @ 0.00095715 = 38.2573 BTC [-] {2} [05:01]
asciilifeform alexsanjose: kakobrekla author of bitbet. [05:02]
alexsanjose why rejected? [05:02]
BingoBoingo Also, I'm kind drunk. Lemme quantify real quick. [05:02]
alexsanjose oh man [05:02]
asciilifeform wait gurls where [05:02]
alexsanjose this is the best interview ever :) [05:02]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose is that san jose as in san jose, cr ? [05:02]
alexsanjose was just there covering elections but back in mexico city [05:02]
mircea_popescu eres tica ? [05:02]
alexsanjose no [05:03]
alexsanjose pura vida [05:03]
mircea_popescu hehe aite. [05:03]
BingoBoingo Thanks to Overstock.com replacing Roger Ver as used electronics Bitcoin Jesus I am kinda confident I am BAC 0.257 drunk [05:03]
alexsanjose y tu? [05:03]
alexsanjose de donde sos [05:03]
mircea_popescu no yo soy rumeno. [05:03]
BingoBoingo Va a changarse [05:03]
alexsanjose :) [05:03]
BingoBoingo *chengarse [05:03]
alexsanjose so wait, why do bets get rejected? [05:04]
alexsanjose is there a min or max for the bets? [05:04]
mircea_popescu anyway, spent some time in san jose, originally landed there planing to stay a week, ended up staying like 3 years. [05:04]
alexsanjose oh really? [05:04]
alexsanjose u still there? [05:04]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Because MP, kakobrekla and MP's slavegirls don't think it is interesting is the big rejection reason [05:04]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose bets as in propositions get rejected, because not everything can be bet on. see the faq on bitbet, it details it. [05:04]
alexsanjose but wait it s not 4 am there [05:04]
mircea_popescu im in timisoara atm. [05:04]
kakobrekla BingoBoingo i dont partake in that ordeal [05:05]
BingoBoingo Ah, thx kakobrekla for clarifying [05:05]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/propositions/ << you can see rejections here. [05:05]
BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/312/npda-college-debate-championship-2013-mckendree-college/ [05:06]
ozbot BitBet - NPDA College Debate Championship 2013 - McKendree College to win [05:06]
alexsanjose ah rejected possible topics bets! i thot u meant that if someone wants to bet too little money their bet was rejected [05:06]
mircea_popescu there's no minimum [05:06]
alexsanjose and rake is charged immediately? [05:06]
BingoBoingo Even the pettiest shit is betable if you can guarentee a starting stake [05:06]
mircea_popescu because of bitcoin mining fees however, it's not really worth it to bet under 0.00005 or w/e [05:06]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose no, the rake is charged on resolution. [05:06]
alexsanjose ack [05:07]
alexsanjose is it possible for u to win and have no net gain? like so many humans take the same side as u and no one opposes and so u all just get back what u put in? [05:07]
alexsanjose minus 1 pct [05:07]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btw, for your info it's chi not cha che etc [05:08]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose yes, it's possible. also discussed in the faq. [05:08]
alexsanjose tks [05:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, somethings are hard to pick up from sound. [05:08]
mircea_popescu generally happens when people bet very late on a widely dominating side. [05:08]
BingoBoingo I could also swear I read che before [05:08]
mircea_popescu say a bet started today ending next month with a 10:1 spread, you bet in 3 weeks on the 10 side. [05:08]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Here's a writeup on some of the bigger bets in BitBet history for some perspective http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/16/interlude-the-big-bets/ [05:09]
alexsanjose thank u guys [05:09]
BingoBoingo Eh, ReutersEmily seemed more inquisitive [05:10]
kakobrekla lol [05:11]
BingoBoingo The wired guy pretty much hid in PM's [05:11]
alexsanjose so -- apols if this is out there -- but i see monthly profits. DO u have annual for 2013? [05:11]
BingoBoingo Which was kinda suck [05:11]
mircea_popescu yeah, is reuters small enough by now you know emily flitter ? [05:11]
alexsanjose cuz u were operating a full year [05:11]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose never published annuals. [05:11]
alexsanjose i do [05:11]
alexsanjose do u have that info? [05:12]
mircea_popescu well you add up the 12 monthlies [05:12]
alexsanjose i guess i can do math [05:12]
alexsanjose ok [05:12]
mircea_popescu nobody much cares about years in btc. [05:12]
alexsanjose what about active users? [05:12]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:bitcoin-assets.com ReutersEmily [05:12]
gribble home | log | bash | stats | wiki - bitcoin-assets: ; 89 - bash - bitcoin-assets: ; #bitcoin-assets stats: [05:12]
alexsanjose is there a way to estimate that if folks dont have their own accounts? [05:12]
BingoBoingo What do you mean not have their own accounts? [05:12]
kakobrekla i want to spoonfeed too, alexsanjose , http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/ [05:13]
BingoBoingo There are a lot of ways this assumption could fork [05:13]
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mircea_popescu alexsanjose http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571588 [05:13]
BingoBoingo !up alexsanjose [05:13]
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kakobrekla incidentally i already linked her that. [05:13]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla yours wasn't as good tho. [05:13]
kakobrekla ... [05:14]
BingoBoingo !up benkay [05:14]
assbot Voicing benkay for 30 minutes. [05:14]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla because you see it's a different my when you talk about bitcoin wallets than persons. [05:14]
alexsanjose thank u [05:14]
benkay hey [05:14]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose seriously, someone over at reuters has to eventually figure out how to create a gpg key, reg it with gribble, get in the wot. [05:14]
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BingoBoingo benkay: All of your thoughts on BitBet on demanded nao! [05:15]
mircea_popescu benkay can't up nao ? [05:15]
alexsanjose that person will sadly not be alexsanjose [05:15]
benkay jesus [05:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: THe alternative is we switch allegiances to AP [05:15]
benkay i'm writing an email, assholes [05:15]
alexsanjose hahaha [05:15]
mircea_popescu i can't recall who the ap guy was here. [05:15]
alexsanjose well i ll miss the spoon feeding [05:16]
mircea_popescu benkay want a postmark ? [05:16]
BingoBoingo Well benkay Maybe you ought to take your tongue out of fluffypony's wife's asshole [05:16]
mircea_popescu wait what ?! [05:16]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Honesly I dun remember an AP guy [05:16]
alexsanjose but here s my question -- so if i can go on, without registering, logging into an account -- [05:17]
alexsanjose and i made say three bets [05:17]
* mircea_popescu consults his wall markings. two wired, one forbes one bi, one ap etc [05:17]
alexsanjose in 2 months [05:17]
alexsanjose can u track all those bets to the same user [05:17]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Maybe they can [05:17]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose depends whether you want us to. [05:17]
alexsanjose ie do u have accurate figures on how many active users u have [05:17]
alexsanjose :) [05:17]
mircea_popescu not really. we don't even bother keeping analytics, so. [05:17]
mircea_popescu who cares. [05:17]
kakobrekla its more than 2. [05:18]
alexsanjose alexsanjose does [05:18]
alexsanjose but that s cool [05:18]
mircea_popescu it's certainly more than a dozen cause at least a dozen diff people here bugged me abouyt it [05:18]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: If they go off of addresses alone I am 20 some users. If they narrow things down based on shit talking I am 2-3 users [05:18]
kakobrekla alexsanjose the things we can measure, we measure and publish, see numbers in the footer on bitbet [05:18]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose bitcoin is fungible. bitbet did 15k btc in total bets or so [05:18]
mircea_popescu whether this is 15k people or 3 is immaterial. [05:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his wall markings. two wired, one forbes... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yBIeh7Wug54/UChVTKXKxaI/AAAAAAAAEP4/4or9ZxvENlI/s1600/vargas6.jpg [05:19]
alexsanjose ok that was my next question [05:19]
alexsanjose bet volume [05:19]
alexsanjose 15k btc in total bets -- from jan 2013 to march 2014? [05:19]
kakobrekla almost april [05:20]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:20]
alexsanjose so i can use the above phrasing? [05:20]
alexsanjose merci [05:20]
mircea_popescu incidentallyt, there've been a total of about 10k bets, so that's an upper bound [05:20]
mircea_popescu we couldn't possibly have more than 10k diofferent users. [05:20]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, that means that the AVERAGE bet is like 1.5 btc, [05:20]
mircea_popescu which afaik is unheard of. [05:20]
alexsanjose so 10,000 bets, of 15,000 btc in a little over a year [05:20]
alexsanjose yes math [05:21]
mircea_popescu bitbet beats the sands, you read it here first. [05:21]
alexsanjose one becomes a journalist bc one is bad at it [05:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22131 @ 0.00095513 = 21.138 BTC [-] {2} [05:21]
alexsanjose hahaha [05:21]
alexsanjose ok [05:21]
mircea_popescu i was serious. [05:21]
moiety benkay: i hope it's a gpg email [05:21]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: If your are a shitty journalist it isn't because journalists are shit. It is because you chose Columbia over Mizzou. [05:21]
alexsanjose beats the sands for higher average bet u mean [05:21]
alexsanjose dude [05:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12267 @ 0.00095186 = 11.6765 BTC [-] [05:22]
alexsanjose and how many employees do u have on just the bitbet end? [05:23]
mircea_popescu that wasn't ever disclosed [05:23]
mircea_popescu but definitely fewer than the sands. [05:23]
alexsanjose :) [05:23]
alexsanjose and it wont be disclosed i take it [05:23]
mircea_popescu bitcoin betting. it really is killing the margins for irl betting. [05:23]
mircea_popescu well, if it ever is disclosed, you'll be the first to know. [05:24]
mircea_popescu especially if you idle in here. [05:24]
alexsanjose take that, AP [05:24]
alexsanjose :) [05:24]
TestingUnoDosTre do you have an rss feed of total bets [05:24]
benkay ho a leak promise from mp [05:24]
TestingUnoDosTre would be fun to bet on how many btc will be bet on bitbet [05:24]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: I dun have an official account, but at least 3. mircea_popescu kakobrekla and the secret mod or mods [05:24]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre don't you start too [05:24]
ThickAsThieves boo! [05:25]
alexsanjose and what about location? [05:25]
ThickAsThieves i cant pass up an opportunity to push Schrodinger's BitBet, thx testing124 [05:25]
TestingUnoDosTre how many bets does a bitbet bet if a bit bet could bet good? [05:25]
mircea_popescu still waiting for locations to submit their offers. [05:25]
ThickAsThieves 123* [05:25]
alexsanjose ? [05:25]
TestingUnoDosTre im gonna be the bookie, owning up the bitbet bitbet [05:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [05:26]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre wouldja consider getting a better nick ? [05:26]
TestingUnoDosTre it makes me sound spanish [05:26]
TestingUnoDosTre ill think of one over the next couple few weeks [05:26]
mircea_popescu well... panish, at any rate. [05:26]
alexsanjose like the undisclosed number of humans that work for bitbet and the servers [05:27]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: What beat do you usually cover? [05:27]
asciilifeform why do people always ask 'how many warm bodies' ?? [05:27]
alexsanjose i cover economics and markets if i cant help it in mexico [05:28]
asciilifeform to whom does this matter. [05:28]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: I severely doubt a count of server personel will happen. Hasn't happened for MPEx. Hasn't happened for S.NSA [05:28]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose it's like this. the way locations normally works is that it doesn't need people, but people need it. and so people make offers to location. [05:28]
mircea_popescu bitbet however needs a location like i need a pair of horns. location however does need bitbet, and business generally. [05:28]
mircea_popescu so... waiting for location to get its head out of its ass, realise that the tables have turned and start making offers. [05:29]
alexsanjose i get that cyber shizel makes some of these considerations less relevant [05:29]
* BingoBoingo has a personal point of shame [05:29]
alexsanjose however [05:29]
* BingoBoingo is too new to knwo evoorhes IRC nick [05:29]
alexsanjose we reporters, we like locations [05:29]
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mircea_popescu tough. [05:30]
alexsanjose :) [05:30]
mircea_popescu ;;seen evoorhees [05:30]
gribble evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later [05:30]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: And that is how I scooped the whole press on the OpenBSD story [05:30]
alexsanjose u should come over to the dark side BingoBoingo [05:30]
alexsanjose Boingo is a decent juice maker down here incidentally [05:30]
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alexsanjose i recommend the guayaba [05:31]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Have you read my blog yet? [05:31]
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mircea_popescu the lyf and times of the luddite journalist. 1. find webchat. 2. 500 pages of 500 words each avalanche. 3. profit ? 4. burial. [05:31]
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mircea_popescu !up Neil [05:31]
assbot Voicing Neil for 30 minutes. [05:31]
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BingoBoingo I might happily have an opinon column for the right price, if you buy out my mystery sponsor's share [05:31]
* BingoBoingo offers a hit, it isn;t mircea_popescu [05:32]
BingoBoingo that was butchered... [05:32]
TestingUnoDosTre offers a hit? what drug [05:32]
mircea_popescu dude did he just threaten to off me ? [05:32]
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alexsanjose <+mircea_popescu> can u at least confirm u re licensed in CR? [05:32]
BingoBoingo I'll have to do the BAC after this cigarette again [05:32]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose im sorry, licensed to what ? [05:32]
alexsanjose to ill [05:32]
alexsanjose i mean to operate [05:32]
mircea_popescu to operate what ?! [05:32]
TestingUnoDosTre oooh BingoBoingo, whats your high score? [05:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I meant hint... Fuck... [05:33]
ThickAsThieves on teeth [05:33]
alexsanjose an online gambling site [05:33]
mircea_popescu how is this relevant ? [05:33]
mircea_popescu are you licensed to operate an online nuclear powerplant ? [05:33]
alexsanjose because i can t really write the story unless i can tie it somehow to the region i cover [05:33]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: Hisghest BAC I've hit on the overstock.com breathalizer is 0.67 while lucid [05:33]
TestingUnoDosTre whaaaaaat [05:33]
alexsanjose its somewhat silly [05:33]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Isn't world news a thing? [05:34]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo apparently not for reuters. [05:34]
alexsanjose :) [05:34]
alexsanjose i tried to pitch it as a world news thing [05:34]
BingoBoingo Fucking Columbia grads [05:34]
alexsanjose dude [05:34]
alexsanjose :) [05:34]
BingoBoingo Srs should have gone to MIZ ZOU [05:34]
BingoBoingo Not only better school, better college town [05:35]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose you can tell your editor i said he's doing himself way more favours running stories about me than the reverse. [05:35]
BingoBoingo Only had a gun pointed at me twice there [05:35]
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alexsanjose look, u have important privacy concerns which i can only begin to imagine. [05:35]
TestingUnoDosTre now what was this talk about writing a program that can parse through bets? [05:36]
asciilifeform where is MIZ ZOU? bagdad? kandahar? [05:36]
TestingUnoDosTre missouri state [05:36]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Columbia Missouri [05:36]
mircea_popescu on the grounds that while i matter, reuters does not. [05:36]
mircea_popescu scaling issues. [05:36]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: Not Missouri state [05:36]
alexsanjose but i also have to talk to a company that has something there -- a call center, a server, a license [05:36]
TestingUnoDosTre the state of missouri [05:36]
alexsanjose ergo i ask if u are said comapny [05:36]
TestingUnoDosTre :D [05:36]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: That isn't how university names work [05:36]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose it might have escaped your notice, but bitbet is not a company, it's a mpex corporation. [05:36]
alexsanjose i agree w u [05:36]
alexsanjose it s global story [05:37]
TestingUnoDosTre I know, was just trying to backtrack on my earlier fuckup [05:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5217657 BTC [-] [05:37]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Class it as a UK story. They operate in the UTC +-0 time zone [05:37]
mircea_popescu i thought she was in mexico. [05:37]
alexsanjose i am [05:38]
BingoBoingo Eh, [05:38]
BingoBoingo details [05:38]
alexsanjose :) [05:38]
alexsanjose if only i could write "dateline cyberspace" [05:38]
alexsanjose or "dateline the world" [05:38]
mircea_popescu what's to keep you ? [05:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00481852 = 0.5059 BTC [+] {3} [05:38]
BingoBoingo I thought dateline was a disney thing. [05:38]
ThickAsThieves bitbet has no more relevance to Mexico than any other country [05:38]
alexsanjose but are u based in the UK then? [05:39]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i dare not think they perhaps haven't reported on heartbleed yet, because well... [05:39]
ThickAsThieves hehe [05:39]
mircea_popescu we forgot to register a mexico domain for it. [05:39]
alexsanjose :) [05:39]
ThickAsThieves maybe the relevance is competition to mexican casinos or something [05:39]
mircea_popescu either forgot or didn't care. [05:39]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose yeah, let's see here. [05:39]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: They resolve bets on Greenwich time [05:39]
mircea_popescu tell Gordon Burr i said he's a poopyhead. [05:40]
alexsanjose ergo [05:40]
TestingUnoDosTre speaking of which, can we get a clock on the website? [05:40]
asciilifeform heatbleed - not diffused, has a loving motherland, 26km from where i sit. [05:40]
mircea_popescu then he'll get pissed off, and you've got your story. [05:40]
TestingUnoDosTre i might even chip in for that [05:40]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre on which website ?! [05:40]
TestingUnoDosTre bitbet [05:40]
TestingUnoDosTre gmt [05:40]
TestingUnoDosTre or GWT [05:41]
mircea_popescu dude srsly. [05:41]
ThickAsThieves Gordo Burro [05:41]
TestingUnoDosTre making me open up another whole tab [05:41]
mircea_popescu you got no wrists ? [05:41]
mircea_popescu cut them off ? [05:41]
TestingUnoDosTre what do you mean [05:41]
TestingUnoDosTre I have plent of wrists [05:41]
mircea_popescu so open a clock tab on your wrist! [05:42]
* BingoBoingo blows [05:42]
TestingUnoDosTre gotta get a watch [05:42]
BingoBoingo BAC 3.12 [05:42]
ThickAsThieves dafuck [05:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo are you like trying to become tucker max or something ? [05:42]
mod6 haha, im gonna set my watch to 0 GMT [05:42]
moiety GWT?! [05:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not at all. [05:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This isn't even near the usual buzz I have here [05:43]
alexsanjose so zero ties to CR [05:43]
mircea_popescu btw, if anyone knows of that schmuck since his days of derping about being amusing, [05:43]
mircea_popescu you'll never guess what he's doing these days. [05:43]
moiety i have a browser bar addon with all my clocks running along it [05:43]
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ThickAsThieves !up alexsanjose [05:43]
assbot Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes. [05:43]
* assbot gives voice to alexsanjose [05:43]
alexsanjose but what did u do there for 3 years? [05:44]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Didn't he pay the Kentucky Basketball coach to be his bitch for lunch and a game? [05:44]
ThickAsThieves enjoy the local flora is my guess [05:44]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose this was a while back, i was still retired back then. mostly i did girls [05:44]
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ThickAsThieves i win [05:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i musta missed that. [05:44]
BingoBoingo !up benkay [05:44]
assbot Voicing benkay for 30 minutes. [05:44]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know, fauna is not flora. [05:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It was last week's story. No OpenBSD guns of liberty or anything like that. [05:45]
ThickAsThieves tell that to Georgia O'Keeffe [05:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, dude's now.... an investment adviser. [05:45]
BingoBoingo O'Really? I thought he was a Lohan. [05:46]
moiety TestingUnoDosTre: https://foxclocks.org/ you can totally customise them however you like [05:46]
mircea_popescu he has like... opinions and shit. about like, laws. and is excited. about like... companies. well, "companies". [05:46]
mircea_popescu tucker fucking max. [05:46]
BingoBoingo It is all nothing compared to my running the largest Altcoin denominated trading fund. [05:46]
kakobrekla also the first and best [05:47]
alexsanjose ok [05:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032 = 0.128 BTC [+] [05:47]
BingoBoingo Eh, it would totally die if someone used 20 BTC to set a new baseline for ATC at 300 satoshis per [05:47]
asciilifeform you can always tell who can't do arithmetic by where walls of ornate clocks with ~3 zones hang. e.g. u.s. army briefing rooms. [05:48]
alexsanjose so some industry stat questions -- a lotta stories say half of bitcoin transactions are online gambling related -- [05:48]
alexsanjose u have a source on that? [05:48]
alexsanjose i get that the ledger is countable [05:48]
alexsanjose but who counted it [05:48]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose prolly satoshidice, a mpex corp, meanwhile retired. [05:48]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Most of that data is last year's when SatoshiDice was a thing [05:48]
mircea_popescu or if not, [05:48]
mircea_popescu !jd [05:48]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 16289 BTC profit, 35.4k BTC invested, 1083.43 mio bets, 5.19 mio BTC wagered [05:48]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: That number hasn't been reliable since about July [05:49]
alexsanjose ugh. any thots on getting an updated figure? [05:49]
BingoBoingo Not really, not without a soldering iron and patience [05:49]
alexsanjose if only i d gone to Mizzou [05:50]
alexsanjose another one -- what about an estimate on the number of online gambling operations in bitcoin [05:50]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose an updaed figure of what ? [05:50]
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alexsanjose of the percent of bitcoin transactions that are for gambling [05:50]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Best part of Mizzou. I had a grad assistanship with the Pharmacy School through UMKC. [05:50]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose other than jd and bitbet there's not that many worth the mention. [05:51]
alexsanjose jd [05:51]
alexsanjose ? [05:51]
ThickAsThieves i imagince sdice still gets some volume, no? [05:51]
BingoBoingo !jd [05:51]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 16289 BTC profit, 35.4k BTC invested, 1083.44 mio bets, 5.19 mio BTC wagered [05:51]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Not so much anymore [05:51]
ThickAsThieves www.just-dice.com [05:51]
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alexsanjose ok [05:51]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: JD pretty much killed SD [05:51]
ThickAsThieves it's ok to speak normals to the lady guys, geez [05:51]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: There are a number of questionable line betting operations. [05:52]
alexsanjose coinbet? cloudbet strkesapphire seals w clubs [05:52]
alexsanjose seems like there are tons [05:52]
ThickAsThieves coinroll.it [05:52]
ThickAsThieves there are a fair quantity of sites, but probly not much volume [05:52]
mircea_popescu didn't seals die an ignoble death after it lost its db or something ? [05:52]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: I play with cloudbet. I fear it might face the same bet as its line betting predecessors in the space. [05:52]
ThickAsThieves seals seems like something thatll never die [05:53]
asciilifeform seals - clubbed. [05:53]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Sealswith Clubs used to rock, then they got hacked and everyone fled [05:53]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose you're roughly in the position of someone asking how many websites there are on the internet. it's by and large a meaningless measure of nothing in particular. [05:53]
ThickAsThieves it's where nerds that are too nerdy for the smart nerds play [05:53]
alexsanjose i understand but these are the things editors yearn for [05:53]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: You been to seals recently, it is just bots and sad [05:53]
ThickAsThieves i never tried it [05:54]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose alright, there's 128 btc gambling websites. [05:54]
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alexsanjose which brings me to my next unknowable question -- the value of the industry [05:54]
ThickAsThieves i have bias against their css [05:54]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: It was pretty awesome this time last year. [05:54]
alexsanjose who 128? [05:54]
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ThickAsThieves what can i say... [05:54]
alexsanjose why 128? [05:54]
mircea_popescu cause i say so. [05:54]
benkay moiety: simply telling someone's boss that i was going to reject the man's code and would the following advice be welcome? [05:54]
alexsanjose ha [05:54]
benkay (ask a stupid question, alexsanjose, get a stupid answer) [05:54]
mircea_popescu it;'s not that stupid even. [05:54]
alexsanjose what happened to the spoon feeding :) [05:55]
mircea_popescu 128. [05:55]
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alexsanjose it s beautiful and round [05:55]
* mircea_popescu looks under assbot's skirts. [05:55]
mircea_popescu where the hell does it store all the voice. [05:55]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: If you want to know what sealswithclubspoker was like over the last year I have a GPG key with email address on my blog. [05:55]
alexsanjose haha [05:55]
alexsanjose thank u [05:55]
ThickAsThieves assbot is all ass, no skirt [05:55]
mircea_popescu http://sirf-online.org/2014/04/17/mdbx-follow-up/ << whas this in here ? it's pretty fucking... bitcoinesque. [05:56]
BingoBoingo Also if you want to know about traditional sports betting books in BTC I have lots of details on that [05:56]
alexsanjose i need some in Costa RIca to talk to me [05:56]
alexsanjose in order to justify doing this story [05:56]
alexsanjose i know it s silly [05:56]
alexsanjose anyway [05:56]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Fine, I'm in southern Illinois, close enough? [05:56]
alexsanjose a question i forgot from earlier that i think i know the answer to -- mp -- u have no way of tracking where your customers are or who they are [05:57]
alexsanjose nest pas? [05:57]
moiety benkay, please tell me what response you get? [05:57]
ThickAsThieves i think whats his name is in costa rica [05:57]
alexsanjose haha [05:57]
ThickAsThieves the sharepoint guy [05:57]
benkay another good question would be "which are the important ones and why do they matter?" [05:57]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose not more than you do at any rate. [05:57]
alexsanjose do you have a sense of where many are set up [05:57]
BingoBoingo Crimea [05:58]
benkay moiety: "I don’t think you could make the suggestions friendly enough not to make it seem like a big middle finger.: [05:58]
alexsanjose (i get your prior point abt locations being interchangeable) [05:58]
benkay " [05:58]
kakobrekla most of them come from the internets [05:58]
benkay this for the record is why american management sucks. [05:58]
BingoBoingo India [05:58]
benkay no stones to tell people to redo their work [05:58]
mircea_popescu most of them come from the internets << [05:58]
alexsanjose but i m wondering if the bitcoin gambling sites flock to the same plays where vanilla online gambling was big [05:58]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [05:58]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1792229/plain/) [05:58]
mircea_popescu shit. [05:58]
benkay no expectation that people can take criticism [05:58]
alexsanjose i ve heard of the internets. i think al gore made them [05:58]
alexsanjose after 2009 [05:58]
BingoBoingo The thing is this year this is an English language story. In five years this will eaither be a Spanish or Chinese language story. [05:59]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose i doubt anything useful can be said on the topic of whether bitcoin gambling geographically concentrates like casino gambling. [05:59]
ThickAsThieves furuknap, i think he's in CR [05:59]
alexsanjose u familiar with UIGEA etc? [06:00]
TestingUnoDosTre i've got a question [06:00]
ThickAsThieves here's is blog if you wanna try to reach him http://cryptocoinblog.com/about/ [06:00]
alexsanjose who s furuknap [06:00]
TestingUnoDosTre superbowl coinflip - wtf happene there? [06:00]
ThickAsThieves a nobody really [06:00]
mircea_popescu Nov 29 04:07:23 Trying to find people with rentable / purchasable land in Costa Rica who are bitcoin friendly. Want to set up a few solar powered yurts, wire up with some good internet, plant some tubers and coffee and operate from there. Going to be a pain to ship my roaster there from indonesia though... <<< this guy too. [06:00]
ThickAsThieves but he's into bitcoin, in CR [06:00]
moiety benkay: why does he need friendly if he wants his business to work? [06:00]
ThickAsThieves just in case you REALLY need a connection [06:00]
ThickAsThieves assuming he's still in CR... [06:00]
* moiety is far too nosy benkay sorry [06:01]
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TestingUnoDosTre !up Neil [06:02]
assbot Voicing Neil for 30 minutes. [06:02]
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alexsanjose thanks [06:02]
alexsanjose so UIGEA [06:02]
alexsanjose the 2006 us gambling law -- u familiar? [06:03]
mircea_popescu what about it ? [06:03]
alexsanjose do you bitcoin gamlbing will be found by courts to run afoul of it? [06:03]
TestingUnoDosTre the us anti gambling law * [06:03]
BingoBoingo Does the law touch consumers? [06:03]
alexsanjose no [06:04]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose the us is welcome to try. [06:04]
alexsanjose ooh [06:04]
alexsanjose nice [06:04]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the sec's attempt ? [06:04]
alexsanjose which bit [06:04]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com sec [06:04]
gribble SEC Complaint - Securities and Exchange Commission: ; Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC pe ...: [06:04]
BingoBoingo Second link [06:04]
alexsanjose oh the mpex - satoshi thing [06:05]
BingoBoingo Yeah, more an evoorhes thing apparently is the cover [06:05]
BingoBoingo Still, there are Marines in Costana [06:06]
mircea_popescu the point being, everyone's welcome to imagine they matter. [06:06]
BingoBoingo Everyone is equally welcome to give a cock a taste provided a lack of mouth sores [06:07]
alexsanjose well if u could win on this argument -- It is our considered opinion that Bitcoin does not constitute either “Money” as discussed in the second reference nor does a purchase of a Bitcoin denominated virtual security such as offered on MPEx constitute “the placing of capital or laying out of money” as discussed in the first reference. [06:07]
alexsanjose then u d be ok prolly on UIGEA [06:07]
alexsanjose which penalizes a funds transfer, etc [06:07]
mircea_popescu you're not in any sense qualified to discuss matters of law, are you ? [06:07]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Already a BitBet http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/ [06:07]
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alexsanjose i dont have a law degree. i did cover the CFTC for a while [06:08]
mircea_popescu so then that'd be it for this line. [06:08]
alexsanjose do u see bitcoin gambling spreading? despite the regulatory push in the US and people s fears about volatility etc? [06:10]
TestingUnoDosTre speaking of which, that oil futures bet is really delicious looking. too pansy to bet on a side though :( [06:10]
alexsanjose i m almost done, apols for having taken up so much of your time [06:10]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: Grow some balls? [06:10]
TestingUnoDosTre much more comfortable betting on diff [06:11]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose i don't imagine the usg is any sort of actor in this discussion. [06:11]
mircea_popescu other than that, quite impossible to call trends. maybe it's growing. [06:11]
mircea_popescu maybe it's shrinking. [06:11]
alexsanjose ok [06:12]
mircea_popescu volatility seems neutral. [06:12]
BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vyj1C8ogtE [06:12]
ozbot Scotty Doesn't Know - YouTube [06:12]
ThickAsThieves itd probably grow in some proportion to bitcoin's growth [06:12]
mircea_popescu people who gamble wouldn't conceivably be much deterredf by the risk that their payoff is multiplied or divided randomly. [06:12]
mircea_popescu but this is all speculation, and not too well grounded. [06:13]
TestingUnoDosTre randomly? [06:13]
ThickAsThieves i agree though ive seen recent articles disagreeing with that mp [06:13]
ThickAsThieves like bitcoin gambling is somehow doomed due to its volatility [06:13]
BingoBoingo This is exactly the difference between NeoBBQ and actual returns [06:13]
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mircea_popescu one question lingers. did you lie earlier when you claimed you can't do the article unless it's somehow related to... costa rica (?!) ? one'd have expected your interest to die there, were that factual. [06:14]
alexsanjose i didnt lie [06:14]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i dunno what sense that makes. so you play blackjack in tokens, and they have a random value each day. this deters you from playing blackjack ? [06:15]
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ThickAsThieves she's a journalist, she's good at making shit up by now [06:15]
BingoBoingo Luke-Jr: So bets of bitco.in [06:15]
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alexsanjose if it s happening there, i need to bring in that element [06:15]
alexsanjose but as u note its a global phenomenon [06:15]
alexsanjose which makes all this super relevant [06:15]
mircea_popescu ic. [06:15]
alexsanjose do u think that online bitcoin gambling has benefitted from the troubles regular online gambling outfits have faced -with paymnet systems since UIGEA? [06:15]
mircea_popescu wasnt that a law in 2006 ? [06:16]
BingoBoingo alexsanjose: Whatever local paper it is quarentined to will piss off the 95% of bettors not there [06:16]
alexsanjose yes [06:16]
mircea_popescu well... bitcoin didn't exist in 2006. bitcoin gambling even less. [06:16]
mircea_popescu so how'd it benefit [06:16]
alexsanjose because after 2006, and especially ater 2011 when the doj shut down the three major online poker establishments that us plays could illegally access [06:17]
alexsanjose some of outfits continued to operate [06:17]
BingoBoingo poker sucks [06:17]
alexsanjose but it became increaseingly harder to process payments [06:17]
TestingUnoDosTre poker is great [06:17]
BingoBoingo Poker is a lowest common denominator of gambling [06:17]
alexsanjose because the 2006 law makes it illegal to accept payments associated iwth "unlawful: online gambling [06:17]
mircea_popescu but bitbet is not doing poker. [06:17]
alexsanjose but it s not just poker [06:18]
mircea_popescu and the one poker site which was doing great in 2011 and 2012 meanwhile died. [06:18]
alexsanjose so by penalizing the payment process, they brought banks into it [06:18]
TestingUnoDosTre i think theres still one ... bodog? [06:18]
TestingUnoDosTre just heard of a friend in the us depositing the other day [06:18]
alexsanjose there are plenty [06:18]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: WTF is Bodog [06:18]
TestingUnoDosTre ;;ud bodog [06:18]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bodog | Damn, I put a grand on the Lakers last night at BoDog, & the pistons smoked em! by Maddog June 26, 2004. 45 23. Mugs & shirts Buy “Bodog” mugs & shirts ... [06:18]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: Bodog [06:18]
mircea_popescu it may not be "just poker", but the case of poker seems to go exactly against the theory it benefited. [06:18]
alexsanjose but they had to resort to really sketchy stuff to get money fto and from clients [06:18]
TestingUnoDosTre bodog is a poker website [06:19]
alexsanjose how so [06:19]
BingoBoingo What is "Really sketchy" [06:19]
mircea_popescu because the bitcoin poker site was doing great in 2011, and is dead now. [06:19]
benkay got robbed, right? [06:19]
alexsanjose banks would have to misclassifry transactions [06:19]
mircea_popescu this is not an opposite trend of the fiat poker sites [06:19]
alexsanjose saying that it was to buy golf balls [06:19]
benkay trust is important when bitcoins are involved. [06:19]
alexsanjose and not to bet [06:19]
alexsanjose or a runner ould show up at your house for the cash [06:19]
BingoBoingo The cashier had to put my vodka in a paper bag. Was that sketcy because it was concealed? [06:19]
mircea_popescu since when do banks classify transactions saying it;'s to x or to y ? [06:20]
alexsanjose these are anecdotes from people in the industry anyway [06:20]
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mircea_popescu wtf weird country is that. the merchant/customer specify wtf the transaction is [06:20]
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alexsanjose but as soon as the bank does that, they can go after you for fraud, money laundering,e tc in addition to violating UIGEA] [06:20]
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TestingUnoDosTre maybe if you won lke $100k [06:21]
alexsanjose so the question is whether bitcoin -- which is outside of traditionally banking -- allows bettors and sites to sidestep all the regulatory hassle (in addition to lowering costs, etc_) [06:21]
BingoBoingo Indeterminate [06:21]
mircea_popescu alexsanjose it would seem there's no particular relation. [06:21]
TestingUnoDosTre but if you tried to make a connection, if you REALLY stretched [06:22]
mircea_popescu or in the words of bogart, the fixations of some people in the us don't amount to a hill of beans in this large btc world. [06:22]
BingoBoingo Even in the US I have yet to se a bank car with lites, sirens, and surly black cops played by Sam Jackson [06:22]
alexsanjose so u really see it as a separate phenomenon [06:23]
alexsanjose independent of this whole us gambling regulatory backstory [06:23]
BingoBoingo Yes [06:24]
BingoBoingo Per FINRA, the Federal Reserve, and Reality. [06:24]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine that a)the us legislative process has much impact on us reality ; b) us reality has much impact on online reality ; c) btc has much to do with online gambling [06:24]
mircea_popescu so there's layers. [06:24]
alexsanjose ok [06:24]
alexsanjose that was very clear [06:25]
alexsanjose thank u [06:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On point B the us has an impact in that it makes tor suck [06:25]
mircea_popescu so tor is integral to gambling ? [06:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No more than Bitcoin [06:25]
BingoBoingo Or Freenode [06:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, imo it was teh yurpeans that made tor suck [06:25]
mircea_popescu i mean look at the shills/devs/etc [06:25]
TestingUnoDosTre whats so bad about it? [06:26]
alexsanjose well thank u guys [06:26]
alexsanjose illuminating [06:26]
alexsanjose enchanting even [06:26]
TestingUnoDosTre the bitcoin illuminati! [06:27]
mircea_popescu lol [06:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27581 @ 0.00095632 = 26.3763 BTC [+] [06:27]
TestingUnoDosTre strikes again [06:27]
BingoBoingo Well, tor always sucked, there was actually a not horrible Cracked article on the subject [06:27]
BingoBoingo BAC update: .354 [06:27]
TestingUnoDosTre before you said 3.23 [06:28]
TestingUnoDosTre was really scared [06:28]
alexsanjose if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com [06:28]
mike_c BingoBoingo: breathalyzer while drinking is cheating. you need blood samples! [06:28]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: Must have been confusion of units [06:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] [06:29]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Yeah, but are YOU really going to jump me with a needle right now? [06:29]
TestingUnoDosTre i thought it underestimates while drinkiing [06:29]
mircea_popescu it does. [06:29]
BingoBoingo Sometimes approximation is a necessary tool [06:29]
BingoBoingo Also this is Overstock.com, they barely replaced Roger Ver [06:30]
TestingUnoDosTre if you're going for your all time high score, doesn't seem like cheating to me [06:30]
BingoBoingo Nah, this isn't a high score night. This is just cultivating a good hangover to think through tomorrow. [06:30]
TestingUnoDosTre can you estimate how much youve had to get to .3++? [06:31]
TestingUnoDosTre I've always been worried about the .08 rule in america [06:31]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: hah, sorry my departure caused a commotion. great weekend though! i had a blast. [06:32]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: I can look at the bottle or bottles. [06:33]
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BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: The .08 rule is why I keep a tremendous distance between driving and drinking. [06:33]
TestingUnoDosTre I just fill the distance with smoke [06:33]
mircea_popescu mike_c tbh i half figured you moved for a day of hooker privacy. [06:34]
BingoBoingo Well, I smoke menthol cigarettes like a nigger so maybe that is another false positive that might aggrevate this piece of shit. [06:34]
joecool my coworker switched to ecig, smokes thug juice [06:35]
joecool s/smokes/vapes/ [06:35]
mircea_popescu and with that... nighty all! [06:35]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: morning [11:40]
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mircea_popescu heya [11:41]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I reached out to an affiliate manager I know of, great candidate, to see what it would cost to lure him away from his current venture...no word back [11:42]
mircea_popescu no rush either. [11:43]
fluffypony yerp, I'll look around peripherally and see if there's anyone I stumble across [11:43]
mircea_popescu yeah, kinda how this works. [11:44]
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mircea_popescu omfg this chan has a log !? [11:57]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: ikr, I already had to wade through the alexsanjose interview and then there was all that stuff after [11:59]
mircea_popescu that's where i am. [11:59]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre: by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me << now you understand our evil. [11:59]
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mircea_popescu artifexd: To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server. << unless you actually lock the thing in a cage, it's not any safer on some server you own or on some server google owns. [12:00]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre: how do you gage memory recall? << i'll tell you how. write 10k articles on your blog, then see if you can recall "where x was" when people ask. [12:02]
mircea_popescu because of google querying it becomes very atomic. [12:02]
fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YmJZ-qVW8 [12:03]
ozbot Dorian Nakamoto - Thank you Bitcoin Community - YouTube [12:03]
mircea_popescu joecool ^ [12:03]
fluffypony shame, I'd hate to be that dude [12:03]
bounce but! faraday cage! tempest-proof cases! only glass for networking! solar powered! gotta be safe, no? [12:03]
mircea_popescu bounce i wouldn't trust a tempest-proof case rated as such by a us institution and/or manufactured by a us corp [12:03]
bounce tangentially, there was a... german? that came up with radar-absorbing paint. refused to sell to anyone but "the government" but those weren't interested. wonder if such paint would get you out of speeding tickets. though with ANPR that's a bit moot these days. [12:06]
fluffypony bounce: I worked on an ANPR system for a parking garage years ago (2003?) to catch tail-gaters [12:07]
* bounce blames fluffypony for the rise of the ANPR databases [12:08]
mircea_popescu actually, i recall a time when romanian police used plain radars on the roads, and you could get electronic invisibility kits [12:08]
fluffypony once it was working with reasonable accuracy it was quite astonishing to see how many peopel tailgated and then came back days and weeks later [12:08]
fluffypony got clamped, claimed they never tailgated and always paid parking [12:08]
mircea_popescu (they just spotted the radar and replied with a pulse, making it take its own pulse reply as random scatter and discard the measurement) [12:08]
Naphex ftp :) [12:09]
mircea_popescu ah there you are. [12:09]
Naphex police managed to get my license, a week ago [12:09]
Naphex they nailed me in a police action with a granny crossing:( [12:09]
bounce IIRC that security book linked earlier starts out with a discussion of how the military had a jolly time playing radar cat'n'mouse [12:09]
mircea_popescu yo Naphex. i wanna do the following : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#636082 [12:09]
Naphex let me read up and figure out whats going on [12:11]
fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/7H9gskb.jpg [12:17]
bounce IKINMK [12:18]
mircea_popescu lol that horse looks uniquely unconvinced [12:18]
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bounce you're an expert on horsey expressions now? [12:18]
fluffypony bounce: it's a subset of Mirceanomics [12:19]
fluffypony or a practical application of it [12:19]
bounce "forget the bear, forget the bull, behold the horse" [12:19]
bounce though I suspect donkeys might still be more common in romania [12:20]
fluffypony I'm quite horseish on Bitcoin [12:20]
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fluffypony BFL apologist on Reddit: "Many other manufacturers do the same. So my miner was used by BFL for 24 hours before they shipped it to me. Big deal. EDIT: And I've been happy with the BFL hardware I've used. Granted I did have to wait a long time for it - and although this is endemic in this industry, it's true that their waiting times have been perhaps somewhat worse than some of their competitors." [12:24]
fluffypony didn't know they still existed [12:24]
bounce bit of a horse trade, eh [12:26]
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fluffypony an honest review of Neo&Bee stock: http://i.imgur.com/42c7pNg.jpg [12:29]
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fluffypony I like this: "Mining pools are Guild Navigators. Nodes are Sand Worms. Developers are the Fremen. reddit trols are House Harkonen. Bitcoin, of course, is Spice." [12:48]
fluffypony heh - "Satoshi = Kwisatz Haderach" [12:49]
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davout asciilifeform: in case you want to add that to your collection -> http://i.imgur.com/S4IoBB8.jpg [12:55]
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fluffypony http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139819485423701&w=2 [13:07]
ozbot 'FIPS mode is not coming back' - MARC [13:07]
Apocalyptic davout, is the guy right of MP TAT ? [13:13]
davout Apocalyptic: no, i'm the green bush on the left side of the picture [13:13]
Apocalyptic i know who you are [13:14]
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Naphex So AtlasATS is partnering with NSE [13:27]
HeySteve hey fluffypony and mircea_popescu, been considering the Sybil problem [13:27]
Naphex even after that hickup, what a week ago?:) [13:27]
Naphex http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304049904579518224044905190?mg=reno64-ws (paywall'd) [13:28]
HeySteve a possible solution is moderation [13:28]
fluffypony Naphex: if you click through from Google the paywall is gone [13:28]
Naphex nothing of value anyway [13:28]
fluffypony HeySteve: then you end up with a "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" problem [13:29]
fluffypony HeySteve: aka bitcointalk's "default trust" nonsense [13:29]
HeySteve if we consider trust as it's presently used as separate to what I'd call "realism" [13:29]
HeySteve evidence of the person's existence, as vetted by other "proven humans" [13:30]
HeySteve no, it's fairly decentralised, no centralised watchers necessary [13:30]
HeySteve for example. I have low trust of Karpeles, I wouldn't let him watch my wallet [13:31]
HeySteve but I know for an almost certainty that bastard exists someplace, he's no fiction [13:31]
HeySteve so to apply it, whoever proves an identity is hollow claims a portion of that identity's rep. workable? just an idea really, kicking it around [13:32]
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HeySteve bbl [13:33]
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bounce so the SEC recognises "National Stock Exchange" (never heard of'em) as a SRO and now they're going to set rules for Atlas ATS. any rules are good rules, amirite or amirite? [14:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00095659 = 54.0473 BTC [-] [14:23]
fluffypony I don't actually get the relationship [14:32]
fluffypony are they piggy-backing off the NSE's recognition in order to avoid needing to get approval anywhere? [14:32]
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ThickAsThieves morning [14:52]
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ThickAsThieves would you enjoy some broken glass for breakfast? http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04972.html [14:53]
fluffypony morn [14:53]
fluffypony *ing [14:53]
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ThickAsThieves Hearn "Although I never expected it when I first started using Bitcoin, nowadays most of my purchases with it are for food and drink. If Bitcoin could not support such purchases, I would use it much less." [14:53]
ThickAsThieves he's proposing some sort of meta double-spending for the motherland [14:54]
ThickAsThieves to prevent BitUndo [14:54]
ThickAsThieves and other meanie miners [14:55]
davout ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 met IRL twice, honored oral bet for .5 BTC [14:55]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4. [14:55]
ThickAsThieves how you know it's a good idea? "This may seem a radical suggestion, but I think it's much less radical than [14:55]
ThickAsThieves some of the others being thrown around." [14:55]
ThickAsThieves it's the best of the worst! [14:55]
ThickAsThieves "The above approach works as long as the majority of hashpower is honest" [14:56]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: imho Bitcoin isn't designed to be used for a quick purchase of food and drink...but a system that has convenience + chargebacks can be built on top of Bitcoin quite easily (the way credit cards and PayPal are all essentially built on top of cash) [14:56]
ThickAsThieves well, bitcoin also happens to already have a system for preventing double spends [14:57]
ThickAsThieves he wants to put more system in his system [14:57]
ThickAsThieves because "honesty" [14:57]
fluffypony yes [14:57]
davout ThickAsThieves: I HERD U LIKE SYSTEMZ [14:58]
fluffypony but the current system is bad for line-at-Starbucks-and-everyone-wants-to-pay-with-BTC [14:58]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if he'd build the best way to double spend by trying to make the best way to prevent it [14:58]
ThickAsThieves these people... [14:58]
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fluffypony maybe time for some FUD posts on triple spends :-P [14:59]
HeySteve double spend is going to be a hard solution to sell [14:59]
davout fluffypony: WE HERD YOU LIKE DOUBLESPENDZ [14:59]
HeySteve this reminds me of redlisting suggestion [15:00]
fluffypony davout: SO WE PUT SOME TRIPLESPENDZ IN YOUR DOUBLESPENDZ SO YOU CAN QUADRUPLESPENDZ WHILE YOU SPENDZ [15:00]
ThickAsThieves i guess he really is a NSA plant [15:01]
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chetty ThickAsThieves, who? [15:05]
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ThickAsThieves Mike Hearn [15:06]
fluffypony My Kern [15:06]
chetty plant might be strong, maybe bought [15:07]
ThickAsThieves Darling I don't know why I go to extremes [15:07]
ThickAsThieves Too high or too low there ain't no in-betweens [15:07]
ThickAsThieves And if I stand or I fall [15:07]
ThickAsThieves It's all or nothing at all [15:07]
ThickAsThieves Darling I don't know why I go to extremes [15:07]
HeySteve so what he proposes is honest miners submit double spends to certain pools, if those pools process them then ... what? all their blocks are rejected by the rest of the network somehow? [15:07]
ThickAsThieves they are like a backup plan or someshit [15:08]
ThickAsThieves he's basically building a BETTER BitUndo, i think/.... [15:08]
HeySteve well, is it possible to accidentally a block containing a double spend? [15:09]
ThickAsThieves who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists [15:09]
ThickAsThieves and when that is the same person whom, if i recall, helped the last fork occur [15:09]
chetty very statist, fix problems that don't exist thus creating problems that do [15:10]
HeySteve I thought bitundo resolved as unlikely to work as a service [15:10]
ThickAsThieves well it's more likely to work early [15:11]
Naphex so here is something interesting, http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/ investor round table for Bitcoin in island :] [15:11]
ThickAsThieves or sumth [15:11]
Naphex don't know whats going on but one of the guys there is the lead economist at CCP/Eve Online http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/ [15:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00095762 = 32.9421 BTC [+] {2} [15:13]
Naphex if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D [15:13]
ThickAsThieves someone is suggesting that Hearn is trolling [15:14]
HeySteve http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04962.html [15:14]
ozbot [Bitcoin-development] Double-spending unconfirmed transactions is a lot easier than most people real [15:14]
ThickAsThieves wouldnt that be a great way to start my day [15:14]
ThickAsThieves trolled by Hearn [15:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0435 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2} [15:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+] [15:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0435 = 0.3045 BTC [+] [15:22]
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ThickAsThieves Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? [15:30]
Naphex some downvotes are auto and not from downvoters anyway [15:31]
Naphex to get the hot thing going [15:31]
ThickAsThieves doesnt really change my question though [15:31]
ThickAsThieves those could still be identified as such [15:31]
Naphex i wouldn't read too much into it [15:34]
Naphex just a ranking algo, doing its job [15:34]
Naphex showing the most voted stuff up [15:34]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: what's the medium of exchange? [15:35]
Naphex http://amix.dk/blog/post/19588 [15:35]
ThickAsThieves karma / points [15:39]
ThickAsThieves yesterday it was already established that a point system could work as an economy [15:39]
fluffypony yes, but how do you exchange them between individuals? [15:39]
fluffypony "upvote my post and I'll upvote yours" ? [15:40]
ThickAsThieves same as with WoT ratings [15:40]
ThickAsThieves for every post every user gets one pos coin and one neg coin [15:40]
fluffypony except with WoT the medium of exchange is Bitcoin, by the Trilema post? [15:40]
ThickAsThieves no [15:40]
ThickAsThieves in the WoT the moe is rating points [15:40]
ThickAsThieves read yesterdays log [15:41]
ThickAsThieves i was exploring whether the the WoT itself contains an economy [15:41]
fluffypony must've missed that, I will [15:41]
HeySteve rating points are only as good as their issuer [15:41]
ThickAsThieves well, theyre only as good as the person assessing the issuer decided [15:42]
ThickAsThieves (just pointing out the value is dynamic) [15:43]
HeySteve how about a system where ratings are destroyed if the issuer is collectively deemed a fake or scammer? [15:44]
ThickAsThieves "destroyed" is not always an easy thing to identify [15:45]
ThickAsThieves in WoT, [15:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00096057 = 78.8628 BTC [+] {3} [15:45]
ThickAsThieves you dont destroy points [15:45]
ThickAsThieves you take them back [15:45]
ThickAsThieves they always exist [15:46]
Naphex where do you get them points from? [15:46]
ThickAsThieves in WoT? For every user created, each other user received 10 pos "coins" and 10 neg "coins" [15:47]
ThickAsThieves the rules of the economy state thpse coins can only be used with that user [15:47]
ThickAsThieves and that the original owner can take them back at any time [15:48]
ThickAsThieves it's certainly not a typical or, arguably, ideal, economy [15:48]
ThickAsThieves but i think it qualifies nonetheless [15:49]
HeySteve I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? [15:49]
ThickAsThieves well is that a feature required within Mircea's theory? [15:49]
ThickAsThieves nowhere does it say you must be able to remove threat [15:50]
ThickAsThieves you must only have ability to identify one [15:50]
ThickAsThieves and punish one [15:50]
HeySteve oh, well I am talking more with a view to my project, still reading on MP's theory [15:50]
ThickAsThieves whats your project again? [15:50]
ThickAsThieves we could run it through the test [15:50]
ThickAsThieves and maybe see if you have a hole [15:51]
HeySteve essentially to integrate a reputation system within a blockchain [15:51]
HeySteve cool I'd appreciate it [15:51]
ThickAsThieves ok [15:51]
ThickAsThieves well [15:51]
HeySteve mircea_popescu suggested I share one of the key elements, which is that trust rating influences mining rewards [15:51]
ThickAsThieves first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do [15:51]
HeySteve this makes things a little trickier [15:51]
HeySteve decentralised system, this is? [15:52]
ThickAsThieves his theory doenst outright require decentralization either [15:52]
kakobrekla taaki didit. [15:52]
HeySteve all right, so medium of exchange, punishment gazette, public forum [15:53]
ThickAsThieves right [15:53]
ThickAsThieves what is your system's MoE? [15:53]
ThickAsThieves ratings right? [15:53]
HeySteve altcoin [15:53]
ThickAsThieves oh [15:53]
ThickAsThieves hehe [15:53]
ThickAsThieves so it has two? [15:53]
HeySteve or bitcoin if a sidechain, if that happens [15:53]
ThickAsThieves you can rate people AND get paid? [15:53]
HeySteve having two allows secure lending [15:54]
ThickAsThieves ick... [15:54]
HeySteve lending against rep [15:54]
ThickAsThieves hold up [15:54]
ThickAsThieves your goal is to make a rating system? [15:54]
HeySteve yes, you can rate and transact [15:54]
ThickAsThieves or a lending one? [15:54]
ThickAsThieves if both, handle them separately [15:55]
HeySteve the goal is to make a less scammy cryptocurrency [15:55]
kakobrekla as long as you can attach you linkedin profile to it, you should be fine! [15:55]
HeySteve oh yes, they are separate [15:55]
HeySteve oh crumbs no linkedin [15:55]
kakobrekla http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA0LzIyL2Q3LzA3Ljc2MWQ1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg1OTA-CmUJanBn/be4d57af/5f9/07.jpg [15:56]
ThickAsThieves so by my subtheory, i'd say you need all the mircean features in both systems [15:56]
HeySteve well, public forum... yes I knocked up a quick phpBB for testing [15:56]
ThickAsThieves it seems odd to me that you are recreating the WoT, when it already exists [15:57]
ThickAsThieves wouldnt it be more productive to improve the existing one by helping with decentralization efforts or such? [15:57]
kakobrekla he just wants to make a spoonfork [15:58]
HeySteve well, that is indeed how I hope things turn out [15:58]
HeySteve here is one potential way to decentralise it [15:59]
ThickAsThieves ;;ud spork [15:59]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spork | And on the 8th day, God decided that Adam and Eve needed a multipurpose silverware item. Thus, the spork, a combination of the prongede wrath of th... [15:59]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: spork [15:59]
HeySteve :) [15:59]
kakobrekla its ok for camping, but normally its used in a separate form [15:59]
HeySteve well if a fork is for stabbing, a blockchain is for timestamping as nanotube said to me [16:00]
ThickAsThieves http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/images/items/light-my-fire-spork-xm-M.jpg [16:00]
ThickAsThieves apparently even the spork needed innovating [16:01]
kakobrekla wheres the chopstick in this thing [16:01]
HeySteve timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls [16:01]
ThickAsThieves sold separately [16:01]
HeySteve an individual is easy to fake, a real network much harder (so my theory goes) [16:02]
ThickAsThieves time-stamping is useful [16:02]
ThickAsThieves it helps someone add context when asessing ratings [16:03]
ThickAsThieves assessing* [16:03]
HeySteve is there a time associated with anything but registration in the WoT? [16:03]
HeySteve I'm thinking rating will be a transaction, so that's timestamped and recorded. as you say, it is another level of context [16:04]
ThickAsThieves yeah it stores when you rated someone [16:04]
ThickAsThieves right? [16:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;gettrust kakobrekla [16:04]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 18 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011 [16:04]
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Naphex so.. why not just rate bitcoin transactions? [16:04]
Naphex make it signed before you submit a rateing [16:05]
ThickAsThieves i have no argument there [16:05]
Naphex and from the same source [16:05]
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ThickAsThieves i also have no basic problem with integrating a WoT into the blockchain [16:05]
ThickAsThieves but this might be due to my ignorance with problems of using the chain for things it wasnt "designed" for [16:06]
Naphex A sells Douche to B through bitcoin, B cand then send a signed rate after. [16:06]
mircea_popescu a possible solution is moderation << doesn't work for bitcointalk. [16:06]
HeySteve right ThickAsThieves [16:07]
bounce case study in where moderation breaks down [16:07]
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HeySteve heh mircea_popescu, I mean something inspired by the voicing in here [16:07]
fluffypony voice isn't moderated [16:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves Hearn << "If things evolved naturally, I'd end up mattering much less, which is to say my current denial of my own irrelevance would become much more difficult to maintain, even in my own eyes". [16:07]
mircea_popescu seems about right. [16:07]
ThickAsThieves i think the point of the mircean way is to have "moderation" be dynamic to the viewer [16:08]
ThickAsThieves the system provides all the info needed to decide for yourself [16:08]
HeySteve fluffypony, nonetheless it is necessary to have at least level 2 trust with assbot or be vouched for to participate [16:08]
fluffypony there's that point about #bitcoin-assets +m producing an aristocracy, of sorts, but that's not the same as modereation [16:08]
bounce usenet was pretty spiffy before AOL though. even if you needed a sometimes gigantic killfile [16:08]
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HeySteve ok fluffypony, fair enough, I need a better word for it [16:09]
mircea_popescu who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists << lmao [16:09]
ThickAsThieves fluffypony, note that this chan does not moderate who can view it [16:09]
fluffypony ^^ [16:09]
mircea_popescu if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D << or else just join 1BTC, bitcoin's eve guild, where shares are tradeable for mpex shares etc. [16:09]
HeySteve essentially mining rights will be restricted to those who have been vouched for or rated as definitely being real people [16:09]
mircea_popescu Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? << yes, but at an "at least in that" [16:10]
bounce o_O? blah now I need to go dig. [16:10]
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mircea_popescu I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? << no, by definition. [16:10]
ThickAsThieves wait you wanna moderate mining rights? [16:10]
mircea_popescu first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do << all systems contain one, whether aware or not, i'd say. [16:11]
ThickAsThieves all "sustainable" systems at least [16:12]
mircea_popescu timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls <<< wot has timestamps as it is. [16:12]
mircea_popescu blockchain would only add some further trust to the already existing states, is all. [16:12]
mircea_popescu HeySteve voice here is a wholly innovative, quite well designed thing. it has exactly nothing in common with "moderation" as used on the interwebs forums [16:13]
mircea_popescu all "sustainable" systems at least <<< all systems with moving parts. [16:14]
mircea_popescu that's wehy it';s so important, that theory : because it describes the limits of the possibility of being, [16:15]
mircea_popescu it's not a technology, it's ontology. [16:15]
ThickAsThieves so what steps are needed to make this theory a law? [16:15]
mircea_popescu people spending a while trying to find a contradiction with reality and failing to do so. [16:16]
chetty yeah keep trying to disprove [16:17]
fluffypony that would make it akin to a natural law, yes? [16:17]
ThickAsThieves itll be a tough one to prove [16:18]
ThickAsThieves since a broken economy can exist for a long time [16:18]
ThickAsThieves and people will keep pointing to those [16:18]
fluffypony true [16:18]
HeySteve this is why I asked about decentralised systems [16:19]
chetty humans break everything, its a natural law [16:19]
bounce just add brokers, and free market theory says it'll cease to be broken. well, at least the brokers won't go broke. [16:19]
chetty https://twitter.com/wences/status/458956014474502144/photo/1 [16:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah, kinda how darwin's stuff ended up law. [16:24]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but functional is no argument in this discussion. [16:25]
ThickAsThieves but how do you prove that a functional economy is broken? [16:25]
ThickAsThieves other than by saying it's missing mircean qualities [16:26]
ThickAsThieves you can't say, the definition of "definition" is definition [16:27]
ThickAsThieves (unless you are a BitBet mod) [16:27]
ThickAsThieves ;) [16:27]
HeySteve I would tentatively suggest an economy is broken if it leaks value into competing economies [16:29]
mircea_popescu no but listen, this is not a discussion of whether a house collapsed [16:30]
mircea_popescu it's a discussion of whether it has load bearing walls. [16:30]
mircea_popescu of fucking course it does, whether it falls down or not. [16:30]
mircea_popescu the concept of load bearing can be illustrated by proving that the walls that stand actually have loadbearing ability in excess of the load [16:31]
mircea_popescu and the walls that fall vice versa [16:31]
mircea_popescu it can't be disproven by showing some houses standing. [16:31]
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ThickAsThieves i understand, yet can't grok how you'd actually go about proving a "house" can stand without load-bearing walls, in practice [16:34]
ThickAsThieves is US economy an offender of your theory? [16:34]
mircea_popescu by proving that, for instance, kali-of-the-tits holds up houses [16:34]
Naphex http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23r9n2/lets_use_mike_hearns_coinbase_reallocation_to/ [16:35]
mircea_popescu and there's no such thing as gravity etc. [16:35]
Naphex ah good ol reddit dukeouts [16:35]
ThickAsThieves naphex thats what i was discussing earlier [16:36]
ThickAsThieves that post is petertodd trolling Hearn [16:36]
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Naphex yeah just finished checking it out [16:36]
Naphex lots of work today [16:36]
mircea_popescu fucking outrageous. [16:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, off to lunch. [16:37]
HeySteve heh [16:39]
HeySteve I give peter todd points for style, mike hearn sounds very grumpy [16:41]
ThickAsThieves mircea_popescu ALERT! ALERT! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/23/buffett-cant-find-bear-for-berkshire-annual-meeting/ [16:42]
ThickAsThieves "It’s hard to find someone who wants to go on record betting against Warren Buffett." [16:42]
fluffypony lol [16:42]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 < did you know wences runs that thing? (i did not) [16:43]
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Naphex bbl o/ [16:45]
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asciilifeform wences, the one with the missile silo ? [16:48]
kakobrekla i dunno about missile silo [16:49]
asciilifeform in his place, i would've sprung for a satellite constellation, storage using shamir's splitter algo. [16:50]
asciilifeform but what do i know. [16:50]
fluffypony asciilifeform: but you don't have (c) and tm after that, so how can anyone trust you to store their BTC safely? [16:51]
asciilifeform lol [16:51]
asciilifeform just store it in... your nuke. [16:52]
asciilifeform http://northernrob.smugmug.com/Other/Various-Bike-Pics/i-Z3Vn98M/0/L/Richs-Royal-Enfield-Nuke-Bike-L.jpg [16:52]
kakobrekla speaking of sats [16:53]
kakobrekla http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/ [16:53]
kakobrekla here, some yellow press. [16:53]
asciilifeform notice what isn't in a 'cubesat.' [16:54]
fluffypony holy cowbell the ignornace [16:55]
fluffypony ignorance [16:55]
fluffypony "a 512GB SSD Drive will do in the satellite for the coming 10 years. It will barely consume power and generate next to no heat at all.... It is not like we are sending miners into space, just public nodes carrying the blockchain...." [16:55]
asciilifeform come on, what's missing ? [16:56]
asciilifeform there's an obvious attribute of 'adult' sats that is nowhere [16:56]
fluffypony asciilifeform: a computer? some form of communication? [16:56]
asciilifeform damnit [16:58]
asciilifeform thrusters. [16:58]
ThickAsThieves ability to manuever? [16:58]
fluffypony ah [16:58]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves << winner [16:58]
* fluffypony sends ThickAsThieves 203928312 ATC [16:59]
fluffypony or Timekoin if you'd prefer [16:59]
HeySteve are thrusters required to stop the orbit degrading or something? [17:02]
ThickAsThieves asciilifeform, have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y [17:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15752 @ 0.00095284 = 15.0091 BTC [-] [17:03]
asciilifeform http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=smallsat (pdf) [17:04]
asciilifeform see pg. 2 [17:04]
asciilifeform pathetic lifetimes. [17:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52514439 BTC [+] [17:04]
asciilifeform 'low orbit is no orbit.' [17:05]
asciilifeform cubesats are normally a thing for engineering students. [17:05]
asciilifeform an exercise. [17:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52961812 = 5.8258 BTC [+] {5} [17:05]
ThickAsThieves making garzik's soliciting for donations that much more ugly [17:06]
ThickAsThieves let's all buy a toy! [17:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.52840909 = 11.625 BTC [-] {2} [17:06]
davout fluffypony: aren't SSD drives the least durable one could pick? [17:07]
fluffypony davout: yeah I don't know what that commenter was thinking [17:07]
asciilifeform in herr casares's place, i'd actually consider deep ocean sonobuoys. [17:07]
HeySteve so about 3 years and it burns up? [17:07]
ThickAsThieves commenters sayng stuff like "This satellite is really important for the future of bitcoin." [17:07]
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asciilifeform HeySteve: try 3 weeks. [17:07]
ThickAsThieves "There are so many smart forward thinkers in the digital currency space. I'm so impressed." [17:07]
fluffypony davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work [17:07]
HeySteve asciilifeform, going on deploy date vs. decay date in the stats there [17:07]
asciilifeform ;;google SOFAR channel [17:08]
gribble SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; SOFAR channel - NOAA Ocean Explorer: ; DOSITS: Sound Travel in the SOFAR Channel: [17:08]
HeySteve it seems they CAN stay up a while, what is different between the ones that last 1000+ days and the month long ones? [17:08]
ThickAsThieves HeySteve, but note the newer cubes last the least amount of time [17:08]
asciilifeform sink'em. comms via sonar. no radiation problems, no decay, use thermocline with 'peltier' for energy source. [17:08]
HeySteve is it the launch vehicle, ones deployed low fail quickly perhaps? [17:09]
asciilifeform and let it pop its keys if barometer reveals that it's been fished out. [17:09]
asciilifeform make the chassis from 'inconel' or similar alloy. [17:09]
asciilifeform 3000+ yrs. in salt water, no corrosion [17:09]
asciilifeform and then you're rid of the Procrustean size limits of orbiting widgets [17:10]
asciilifeform to talk to 'seacoin' all you'd need is a hydrophone and a few km of fishing line. [17:11]
davout asciilifeform: enjoy your tectonic plates [17:11]
asciilifeform davout: nobody said it'd be trivial [17:12]
asciilifeform davout: likewise, note that these wouldn't sit on the floor [17:12]
ThickAsThieves they would live inside a whale [17:13]
asciilifeform you want them bobbing about as close to SOFAR depth as possible [17:13]
HeySteve but what about... bitcoin whales (drumroll) [17:13]
ThickAsThieves Pinnochio Nodes [17:13]
asciilifeform ideally they'd have a solid-state (piezo?) 'swim bladder' [17:13]
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ThickAsThieves Pinocchio* [17:14]
ThickAsThieves Pinodecchio [17:14]
HeySteve asciilifeform, if you're willing to talk me through the science I'll write about Cubesats fails because F coindesk [17:14]
ThickAsThieves naming even works with Rasberry Pi! [17:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52422529 = 1.5727 BTC [-] {2} [17:16]
davout HeySteve: lol [17:16]
* asciilifeform blows dust off shelv [17:16]
asciilifeform wertz & larson, 'space mission analysis and design' [17:16]
asciilifeform get thee to library. [17:16]
asciilifeform 'reducing space mission cost' (same) [17:17]
asciilifeform if you like physical security exotica, consider poseidon's kingdom instead. [17:18]
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asciilifeform deep sea machines don't orbit decay. [17:19]
HeySteve someone is offering his 3d printed cubesat to the project [17:20]
asciilifeform $10 anchor instead of $10M rocket laugh^H^Hnch [17:20]
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HeySteve "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." [17:21]
asciilifeform yeah let's put plastic in orbit. [17:21]
asciilifeform can i get off this planet plz [17:21]
asciilifeform my bogodosimeter's maxed out [17:21]
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kakobrekla take me with you, ill pay for half the fuel. [17:22]
asciilifeform http://dev.solita.fi/img/beyond-cargo-cult-software-design/cargoplane.jpg [17:22]
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asciilifeform now if you like yer brain coming out yer ears, remember that launching (orbit, sea, mars, wherever) is the easy part [17:26]
asciilifeform i was once taught 'gypsy recipe for chicken' - '1) first, find a chicken' [17:26]
asciilifeform we haven't the chicken [17:26]
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asciilifeform e.g. computer suitable for the application. [17:27]
* asciilifeform imagines the moneyed idiot who launches a 'pc-compatible' running existing softs, for security-critical application [17:27]
kakobrekla happens all the time [17:30]
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Duffer1 http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/ [17:35]
kakobrekla trice. [17:35]
asciilifeform this isn't merely sad [17:35]
asciilifeform it's undergrad-level sad. [17:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00481945 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {3} [17:37]
asciilifeform there's a certain engineering dynamic at work, where the poor schmuck begins to contemplate what it would take to -actually- solve the problem, and then his starfish begins to pucker [17:37]
asciilifeform and he decides that arithmetic won't apply to him if he 'want it enough' [17:38]
fluffypony why do I open my big mouth in the comments section [17:39]
fluffypony "An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" [17:39]
* fluffypony bangs head into table [17:39]
kakobrekla the real problem with ssd is the controller on it [17:39]
fluffypony someone else said "tungsten is the high density option- polyethylene is the low option. also, for circular orbits below 1000 km radiation is nominal in terms of bitflips etc." [17:39]
fluffypony re: shielding it [17:40]
asciilifeform ssd doesn't do terribly well here on earth. [17:40]
asciilifeform ;;google ssd ion migration [17:40]
gribble Free Today - Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 3.0 - Windows 7 Help Forums: ; Samsung XP941 NGFF M.2 PCIe SSDs in RAID 0 - The SSD Review: ; OCZ Agility 4 SATA III 2.5" SSD (EOL): (1 more message) [17:40]
asciilifeform fuck it [17:40]
asciilifeform ;;google flash write cycles [17:40]
gribble Flash memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; SSD endurance myths and legends - saga continues in 3D: ; How to stretch the life of your SSD storage | PCWorld: [17:40]
kakobrekla nah, controllers will die before you will wear it out [17:41]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: for chinese boards, certainly [17:41]
kakobrekla it doesnt seem to be limited to chinese [17:41]
ThickAsThieves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyyixJ2bQ4 [17:42]
ozbot Awesome Video CGI for a KID - YouTube [17:42]
asciilifeform is anyone involved with the crapsat even vaguely familiar with how adult machines are built? [17:43]
asciilifeform e.g. massive redundancy, rad hardening, etc [17:43]
asciilifeform ;;google tandem cpu [17:43]
gribble Tandem Computers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; TACL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Guardian 90: A Distributed Operating System Optimized ...: [17:43]
ThickAsThieves are you questioning a core developer of bitcoin!? [17:43]
asciilifeform lol [17:44]
fluffypony I believe the charge for such heresy is a negrating on the WoT [17:45]
ThickAsThieves me in #bitcoin-dev : i'd like to put a nose in my nose to prevent me from having to smell things i dont like [17:45]
fluffypony lol [17:45]
asciilifeform ;;google zimbabwe rock oil [17:46]
gribble Mugabe: 'Diesel mystic's beauty blinded ministers' - New Zimbabwe ...: ; Mystic leads Zimbabwe government on fake fuel hunt: ; Zim 'diesel conjurer' gets 3 years | News24: [17:46]
bounce http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2014/04/23/emergency_services_network/ -- I thought they already had a unified service. so, how hard is it to cook up a few suitable radio designs and add some backing management software? [17:50]
asciilifeform and now for today's lul, [17:51]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/04/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf [17:51]
TomServo haha - just finished reading that [17:52]
Duffer1 new idea for s.nsa? :) [17:52]
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asciilifeform Duffer1: what'd that be ? [17:53]
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Duffer1 secure routers [17:53]
asciilifeform Duffer1: see the point about satellites. [17:54]
Duffer1 hehe [17:54]
asciilifeform bounce: cook up a few suitable radio designs << think about this. [17:55]
asciilifeform there are two basic strategies for invincibility. biologists say 'r-strategy and m-strategy.' [17:56]
asciilifeform 'm' would correspond to, e.g. satellites, deep ocean pods, etc. [17:56]
asciilifeform 'r' - well, say, this - http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Radio_20Parasite#996195704 [17:57]
asciilifeform either would require suitable technological building blocks [17:58]
asciilifeform which are conspicuously absent. [17:58]
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asciilifeform anyone who doesn't grasp this is a pwnie, doomed to be ridden by children in the park. [17:59]
bounce didn't DARPA issue a "challenge" for cigarette-sized easily scatterable mobile APs? [17:59]
asciilifeform but that's all i'll say about this, for now [17:59]
bounce er, s/cigarette/& box/ [18:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00095397 = 6.5309 BTC [+] {2} [18:00]
asciilifeform everyone loves physical security exotica, because 'sexy' [18:01]
asciilifeform go, polish a turd. [18:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24054 @ 0.00095242 = 22.9095 BTC [-] [18:01]
kakobrekla you talking about dildo wallet? [18:02]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: lol, Göringwallet. [18:02]
kakobrekla thats the one [18:03]
bounce plenty turds in any given polish craphouse [18:03]
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fluffypony it's becoming worse than reddit [18:05]
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benkay toughest lesson of undergrad was working out and accepting capital requirements for orbit and deep sea industry [18:07]
TomServo !up tris [18:08]
assbot Voicing tris for 30 minutes. [18:08]
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davout benkay: lol [18:10]
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benkay davout: the story gets more amusing [18:12]
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cgcardona_ morning everyone [18:13]
benkay i was preparing a frontal assault on Nautilus Minerals and Reaction Engines Ltd. when I acquired a redhead who understandably has no desire to live in either rural Britain or within commuting distance of deep-sea deposits. [18:14]
benkay REL continues to not deliver (although hey, give 'em a decade or two and maybe we'll get cold fusion while we're at it) and Nautilus continues to inch forwards: http://www.nautilusminerals.com/s/Media-NewsReleases.asp?ReportID=647179 [18:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00095193 = 29.4622 BTC [-] {2} [18:18]
benkay hue hue hue: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/F-U:CN [18:18]
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thestringpuller ;;ident [18:38]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. [18:38]
thestringpuller damn i need to auth [18:38]
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benkay thestringpuller: how are you voiced if not authed? [18:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-] [18:44]
benkay ;;ident thestringpuller [18:45]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. [18:45]
benkay !down thestringpuller [18:45]
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Duffer1 hater [18:45]
Duffer1 :P [18:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06859999 = 0.1372 BTC [+] [18:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+] {4} [18:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04250059 = 0.2975 BTC [+] {3} [18:47]
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Naphex boring day todau :) [18:48]
Naphex today* even [18:48]
davout Naphex: if you're bored go troll #bitcoin-dev [18:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [+] {3} [18:50]
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Naphex party finished over there hehe so too late ;l [19:00]
moiety hello [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.54515920 BTC to 7`064 shares, 36030 satoshi per share [19:00]
Naphex i could start working on the payments api but nuff work for the day [19:01]
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benkay morning, moiety [19:02]
moiety how are you benkay? saw something that reminded me of here, so snipped it http://i.imgur.com/VgelVaK.png [19:03]
benkay nice. [19:04]
benkay i have yet to actually remember the laser-kitteh command, moiety [19:05]
benkay ;;laser-kitteh [19:05]
gribble Error: "laser-kitteh" is not a valid command. [19:05]
benkay ;;kitteh-lasers [19:05]
gribble Error: "kitteh-lasers" is not a valid command. [19:05]
benkay ;;kitteh-laser [19:05]
gribble Error: "kitteh-laser" is not a valid command. [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03275 = 0.1638 BTC [-] [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] [19:05]
moiety ;; laserkittens [19:06]
gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* [19:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] [19:06]
moiety i'd like to see gribbles logs for the past day or two... so many attempts at laser kttehs [19:07]
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benkay laserkittens, you say. [19:07]
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benkay well, thanks moiety. [19:07]
moiety i totally did not pm gribble looking... >.> [19:08]
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moiety kakobrekla, we need lasermanuls! [19:09]
moiety twitter's had an fb facelift, it's weird [19:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.06142724 = 3.9928 BTC [-] {18} [19:13]
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moiety scotland's so backwards, you can't submit any forms online [19:18]
fluffypony moiety: sounds like here [19:19]
fluffypony except for tax [19:19]
moiety so irritating, fucked without a printer [19:19]
fluffypony moiety: what OS? [19:19]
moiety OS? winblows, why? [19:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2753 @ 0.00013383 = 0.3684 BTC [-] {9} [19:20]
fluffypony I'm on OS X [19:20]
fluffypony and what I've taken to doing [19:20]
fluffypony is using Preview to fill in forms (use the annotation tools where necessary) [19:20]
fluffypony then [19:20]
fluffypony I bought a copy of PDFPen [19:20]
fluffypony fire that up when doc is complete [19:20]
fluffypony I have a PNG of my signature [19:20]
fluffypony copy and paste into doc, resize and position [19:21]
fluffypony save and send [19:21]
benkay os x preview will now capture and insert signatures from the laptop camera, fluffypony [19:21]
moiety thanks :) i'll try this, i'm not sure if they will accept via email though [19:21]
benkay what forms're you submitting, moiety ? [19:22]
fluffypony benkay: didn't know that - but doesn't the form need to have a dedicated PDF-compliant signature block to use that? [19:22]
moiety applying to every council i can around here [19:22]
benkay fluffypony: don't quite recall much more than writing my name on a piece of paper and dropping it into the pdf. [19:22]
fluffypony cool I'll give that a spin, tks benkay [19:22]
benkay i mean the idiotic format lets one absolutely position letters so why not sigs? [19:23]
benkay moiety: what kinds of coucils? are you going full-commie on us? [19:23]
fluffypony Eric Clapton and BB King kinda night [19:23]
* fluffypony fires up some muzaks [19:23]
moiety lol no i just need somewhere to live [19:24]
benkay ah i see [19:24]
kakobrekla ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument [19:24]
moiety and everything is so retarded here unless you are pregnant and/or have a drug habit [19:25]
davout kakobrekla: as long as we don't have the same gf :D [19:25]
kakobrekla :D [19:25]
benkay moiety: sounds like you have your work cut out for you. [19:26]
fluffypony well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument [19:26]
davout fluffypony: you don't know french women [19:27]
davout XD [19:27]
benkay juh-hee-zus [19:27]
fluffypony lol [19:27]
benkay exclamation points? [19:27]
benkay "girl i'm busy you're lucky i hammered that out mispellings and all" [19:27]
fluffypony benkay: yeah, one of the reasons why I married my wife was because she wasn't full of shit like that (full of shit in other ways, but not pedantry/jealousy like that) [19:28]
fluffypony but I had that exact argument with an ex-gf in my mid-20s [19:28]
moiety i hate message things that give a 'read' report. just leads to "why did it take you 4 hours to reply?" [19:28]
fluffypony moiety: WhatsApp is the worst with that..."I see the message got delivered because there's a second tick...are we fighting now that you're not replying?" [19:29]
davout moiety: the best way to answer that is "because i didn't feel like it" [19:29]
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moiety voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" [19:29]
benkay sometimes more information is worst information [19:29]
benkay moiety: ugh. [19:30]
* fluffypony shudders at the thought [19:30]
moiety "I'm allowed to go buy food!" [19:30]
fluffypony hah hah [19:30]
fluffypony that's when they "surprise" you with a visit to your house, right? [19:30]
moiety no just sitting huffing being a retard. even though if you check the map of my city it would show a Tesco store or something [19:31]
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moiety i got a "and who's this?" once .. "zoom in, its the doctors -_-" [19:31]
* fluffypony chuckles [19:32]
moiety i never used whats app, they kept info of people on their users contacts lists that didnt even have the app o.o [19:33]
benkay i'll do you one better [19:33]
benkay if i ever want to get off the iphone i have to get a new number, because my current number is cached in every iphone that's ever texted me and will go over apple's servers no matter no matter. [19:34]
moiety wtf apple [19:34]
benkay i'll probably have to keep the old number alive and set up an auto-responder saying 'this number is dead please try blah blah blah..." [19:35]
fluffypony yeah, I resigned myself to sacrificing all measure of privacy the minute I got my Nokia N95 and realised all the crap that could go on in the background [19:35]
benkay but i'm now fucked on this number [19:35]
benkay this number is now no longer portable [19:35]
moiety that snowden phone that everyone had kittens over seemed a bit futile to me [19:35]
benkay well, from provider to provider sure. [19:35]
benkay but not from ios to anything else [19:35]
fluffypony benkay: ok no wait that's not right [19:36]
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fluffypony I have a friend that switched from iOS to Android in October [19:36]
fluffypony and it doesn't offer the blue iMessage option or anything any longer [19:36]
fluffypony I think if they haven't signed in to iCloud/iMessage from an iOS device it takes them off the active list or whatevs [19:36]
Naphex cmon guys [19:36]
Naphex decentralized telephony [19:37]
Naphex pay2relay [19:37]
fluffypony encrypted HAM? [19:37]
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Naphex nah regular telephonyi [19:38]
Naphex have a radio mesh of transcievers [19:40]
Naphex phone looks for strongest signal [19:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 750 @ 0.14 = 105 BTC [19:41]
Naphex hard to type from phone [19:41]
Naphex http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network [19:43]
ozbot Wireless mesh network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [19:43]
Naphex pay to carry voip with cryptos [19:43]
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fluffypony ok so [19:45]
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fluffypony I'm looking for a bit of seed funding to expand and grow OpenRigs, benkay took a looksie at a previous version of my proposal and made some suggestions (which I've incorporated) [19:46]
fluffypony if anyone has a few mins I'd like a sanity check before I send it out to interested people [19:46]
fluffypony https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf [19:46]
fluffypony (bearing in mind it's a fiat business, not a BTC business per se, so it's not meant to compete with a pure BTC business) [19:46]
ThickAsThieves odd that youre leading with a mining farm [19:47]
ThickAsThieves seems superfluous [19:47]
ThickAsThieves other than to confirm your rigs are practical [19:48]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: that's exactly it, it's a means to an end [19:48]
benkay fluffypony: what changes did you make? [19:48]
fluffypony benkay: pretty much everything you suggested, I kept PayBee in as I don't want to split it out into an entity on its own just yet [19:49]
fluffypony but did everything else [19:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0653156 = 0.6532 BTC [+] [19:49]
ThickAsThieves isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? [19:50]
fluffypony lol [19:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065 = 0.325 BTC [-] [19:50]
fluffypony I didn't think of it that way [19:50]
fluffypony meh, branding is easy to change on that [19:50]
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Naphex lol [19:52]
fluffypony MtBee? [19:52]
Naphex goxbeeflyknc? [19:52]
ThickAsThieves "Investors can choose to be silent investors, receiving feedback on decisions only, or active investors that will play a role in the decision making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs." [19:53]
fluffypony not enough BFL [19:53]
ThickAsThieves "Investors can choose to be silent investors, providing feedback on decisions only, or active investors that play a role in the decision-making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs." [19:53]
ThickAsThieves probably could be written better from there, but yknow [19:53]
fluffypony ah good point [19:54]
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Naphex who will you exchange with for paybee? [19:54]
ThickAsThieves you say "it opened its website for trading" [19:54]
ThickAsThieves trading rigs? [19:55]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: as in "opened for business", will rephrase [19:56]
fluffypony Naphex: Cryptsy, but it's fairly agnostic to the exchange [19:56]
Naphex jesus :p [19:56]
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fluffypony they were just the most willing to make the API changes we needed and they have the volume [19:56]
ThickAsThieves are you Spagni? [19:56]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yep [19:56]
Naphex we're opening our payment services for fiat soonish. [19:57]
fluffypony Naphex: the whole point of PayBee is *not* to do fiat directly, tho - once the funds are in BTC it goes straight into the merchant's Bitpay account [19:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13972 @ 0.00095175 = 13.2979 BTC [-] [19:57]
Naphex but we wouldnlt even think about that before doing the exchange first [19:57]
Naphex ah so paybee just accepta altcoins? [19:58]
Naphex then fowards to bitpay? [19:58]
fluffypony Naphex: yes exactly [19:58]
ThickAsThieves you mention "competitive advantages" but do you mention notable conpetitors and threats to your plan? [19:58]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: not so much on the frames side, they're too small to mention, but for PayBee yes [19:59]
ThickAsThieves so cooling containers are not mentionable? [19:59]
fluffypony cooling containers? [20:00]
ThickAsThieves liquid [20:00]
* fluffypony ponders [20:00]
ThickAsThieves in other words [20:00]
ThickAsThieves identify where your target audience might be spending their money instead [20:00]
ThickAsThieves not who else makes what you make [20:01]
fluffypony ok good point [20:01]
benkay fluffypony: i don't really buy your claims about heat flow. those are the kinds of claims that need to be backed by sims and such. [20:01]
ThickAsThieves "Of course, with [20:01]
ThickAsThieves the momentarily depressed cryptocurrency economy, OpenRigs is gearing itself up for the next massive wave of [20:01]
ThickAsThieves purchasers. [20:01]
ThickAsThieves " [20:01]
ThickAsThieves that line is shit [20:01]
ThickAsThieves needs to be more professional and include data [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] [20:01]
ThickAsThieves or strike it [20:01]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: point [20:01]
benkay data [20:02]
benkay mining [20:02]
benkay market predictions [20:02]
benkay i lol'd [20:02]
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fluffypony benkay: we did FLIR imaging when designing, we're waiting for the FLIR camera to be available for rent again so we can have that data accessible [20:02]
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ThickAsThieves you provide some individual profit data per item [20:03]
benkay that you didn't save your imaging data is a little boggling. [20:03]
ThickAsThieves but is there also historical totals? [20:03]
ThickAsThieves and projections? [20:03]
ThickAsThieves ah i see a graph [20:03]
ThickAsThieves no numbers? [20:04]
fluffypony benkay: we weren't able to, the dude that rents them is dumb and only lets you observe, not take actual data (although with the new camera he has apparently he'll give us pics and data after) [20:04]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers, I'm not sure whether including all the data on the downward slump inspires investor confidence [20:05]
ThickAsThieves well hiding it certainly doesnt [20:05]
fluffypony or whether I'll end up explaining why so much it'll be pages of cruft [20:05]
ThickAsThieves only cruft if you fluff [20:05]
fluffypony not hiding it, it's mentioned and detailed, and even obvious in the graph [20:06]
fluffypony just not full of numbers [20:06]
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ThickAsThieves the graph doesnt show expenses [20:06]
fluffypony I can add that [20:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21269 @ 0.00095451 = 20.3015 BTC [+] [20:06]
ThickAsThieves can you show that continually mining with units you buy for spec purposes is actually more profitable than selling them once you are done building hardware for them? [20:07]
ThickAsThieves can you show that buying them at all is necessary? [20:07]
fluffypony ASICs certainly aren't, better to flip them [20:07]
fluffypony but GPU mining yes, I have a few years of historical data [20:07]
ThickAsThieves (most units come with size specs, elec specs, etc [20:07]
ThickAsThieves ) [20:07]
ThickAsThieves that elec cost sheet seems incomplete, i'm pretty sure there are even cheaper places [20:08]
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benkay wouldn't gpu mining cbe require actual power bills? [20:08]
ThickAsThieves (i'm being a stickler on purpose, take it or leave it) [20:08]
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fluffypony ThickAsThieves: it's from here - http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/average-electricity-prices-kwh [20:09]
fluffypony benkay: yes, but when you're mining scamcoins and dumping them it's always reasonably profitable :-P [20:09]
ThickAsThieves i'd like to see separate charts and numbers on the mining farm profit/expense [20:09]
* fluffypony notes [20:09]
ThickAsThieves the idea being to truly discern whether it drags you down somehow [20:10]
ThickAsThieves in that sensem it maybe should include man hours [20:10]
fluffypony ok [20:10]
ThickAsThieves i think maybe you are conflicted [20:10]
ThickAsThieves and this isnt just about mining cuz it makes sense [20:11]
ThickAsThieves but because you desire to [20:11]
ThickAsThieves particularly evident in your discussion of BFL and preordering [20:11]
ThickAsThieves sound slike you wanna play the game and take ordering risks, etc [20:11]
benkay (i've yet to see the mining pitch that actually made sense under real world constraints) [20:12]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I like getting stuck into the technical stuff with it, sure, but it *is* a means to an end [20:12]
fluffypony I don't want to "grow the farm" [20:12]
fluffypony I can make that clearer in the proposal [20:12]
ThickAsThieves ok, you mention letting invetsors decide on mining purchases [20:12]
ThickAsThieves fuck that [20:12]
ThickAsThieves what do they know [20:12]
ThickAsThieves thats your job [20:12]
ThickAsThieves you dont want your investors/board acting as employees [20:13]
fluffypony fair enough [20:13]
fluffypony it was more in terms of avoiding scammy pre-orders (mitigating risk) in that space [20:14]
ThickAsThieves (again these are off-the-hip opinions) [20:14]
benkay the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. [20:14]
ThickAsThieves i see you mention paying out dividends [20:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000956 = 5.4492 BTC [+] {2} [20:15]
ThickAsThieves is this sposed to be like a Havelock IPO or something? [20:15]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I changed that to "apportioning net profit" later, forgot to search for earlier occurancess [20:15]
fluffypony *occurances [20:15]
benkay everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" [20:15]
ThickAsThieves i'm not sure there should be any talking of sharing profits in any dividend sorta way [20:15]
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ThickAsThieves maybe these are details of negotiation with investors [20:16]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [20:16]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: how else do you do it then? as an LoC? [20:16]
ThickAsThieves i'm sorta with benkay here, the best thing seems to be the hardware [20:16]
ThickAsThieves well, any time any investor gets money, include you (outside of your salary), they all get their cut [20:17]
ThickAsThieves being owners n all [20:17]
ThickAsThieves including* [20:17]
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benkay https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT#ui-tabs-3 [20:18]
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ThickAsThieves RENT still not open for trade? [20:18]
ThickAsThieves heh [20:18]
benkay looks like the rentalstarter bagholders grow weary of getting fucked raw. [20:19]
ThickAsThieves with the incoming Scrypt ASICs, does that threaten efforts like your PCI-e multiplexer? [20:19]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: scrypt-n and X11 based coins will still need miners, and the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd will need it to [20:20]
ThickAsThieves word [20:20]
fluffypony in fact, there's more experimentation with stuff like that being done by the OCLHashCat guys than in the mining community [20:20]
fluffypony because they're not bound by the confines of "what is the most profitable" bullshit [20:20]
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ThickAsThieves is Zoom Junction affiliated with you or any of your employees or families? [20:24]
benkay i'm still waiting to see these cellular automota-based PoW coins. [20:24]
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kakobrekla i played that [20:24]
ThickAsThieves shhh [20:24]
kakobrekla up 20% atm [20:24]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: no, I know one of the guys that is involved with it, but no affiliation beyond that [20:24]
mike_c there is only one coin (beside bitcoin) [20:25]
kakobrekla o i s [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06776612 = 0.4066 BTC [+] {2} [20:25]
kakobrekla hould stfu? [20:25]
mike_c no, that's fine [20:25]
benkay oh look [20:25]
benkay beans all over the floor [20:26]
benkay my bad [20:26]
fluffypony mike_c: TimeKoin? :-P [20:26]
ThickAsThieves with wanting to spend $7500/mo marketing, it seems even more sensible to focus on hardware over paybee and such [20:26]
ThickAsThieves just my opinion [20:26]
ThickAsThieves do one thing right [20:26]
ThickAsThieves get dem partners etc [20:26]
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ThickAsThieves the "funny postcard" mention is either TMI or not enough [20:27]
ThickAsThieves i'm not a fan of competitions for marketing [20:27]
ThickAsThieves but i'm not sure i'd outright forbid them [20:28]
fluffypony https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/6014-openrigs-review-lulz/ [20:28]
ThickAsThieves just seems there are better options [20:28]
fluffypony pic of one of the postcards there [20:28]
ThickAsThieves yeah, unless it's some super large or innovatibve marketing method, i'm not sure it needs mention [20:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11615 @ 0.00095175 = 11.0546 BTC [-] [20:29]
fluffypony ok [20:29]
ThickAsThieves it seems a little petty in the context [20:29]
ThickAsThieves same for the corporate gifting and such [20:29]
ThickAsThieves surely theyd prefer colume discounts or referral programs or whatever [20:30]
ThickAsThieves volume* [20:30]
fluffypony we have both [20:30]
fluffypony it's just been my experience that customers get excited about the most arbitrary stuff [20:30]
Naphex paybee - personally i'd just stick with btc2fiat and implement locally. [20:30]
fluffypony Naphex: then we have regulatory issues to deal with [20:31]
Naphex lawyera [20:31]
Naphex lawyers and accountants [20:31]
fluffypony we'd have to register as a financial services provider and a deposit taking institution [20:31]
fluffypony here it's a ball-ache [20:31]
ThickAsThieves i could be wrong on the marketing little things, sometimes i get a bit elitist with my views on it [20:31]
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ThickAsThieves i do not mind the mineotaur effort [20:32]
ThickAsThieves including software as a solution seems appropriate [20:32]
Naphex fluffypony: is bitcoin recognised as a financial instrument? or 'electronic money' in SA? [20:32]
ThickAsThieves assuming it's in your wheelhouse [20:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-] [20:33]
fluffypony Naphex: nope - official stance from the SARB (reserve bank) is - "Bitcoin has no legal status or a regulatory framework." [20:34]
fluffypony so the minute we go into fiat we become a financial services provider [20:34]
fluffypony stay in crypto and we can pretty much do whatever we want [20:35]
Naphex fluffypony: yeah but youre just sending customer money [20:35]
fluffypony Naphex: local exchange has 10BTC daily volume, so we'd have to do BitStamp -> us -> international wire [20:35]
ThickAsThieves you mention $65k for software dev, and that's for a worker doing it in his spare time? [20:36]
fluffypony we could probably negotiate wire fees with our bank's Forex dept., but I still think we'd be paying a penalty [20:36]
ThickAsThieves and/or contracters [20:36]
ThickAsThieves this seems shakey [20:36]
ThickAsThieves could turn into a black hole of nothing [20:36]
ThickAsThieves contractors* [20:36]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yes - I've got deeper numbers on that that I can include, didn't know if it would be info overload [20:36]
ThickAsThieves benkay could certainly comment on that aspect better thabn myself [20:36]
Naphex fluffypony: yes, and add a buffer at your local bank [20:36]
ThickAsThieves the PayBee logo is horrible [20:37]
fluffypony lol [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00095129 = 4.8849 BTC [-] [20:37]
benkay software in spare time [20:37]
benkay always a great idea [20:37]
benkay always [20:37]
ThickAsThieves the other brands seem decent though [20:38]
ThickAsThieves Paybee looks like something fiverr shat out [20:38]
fluffypony I'll get the designer to rethink it [20:38]
ThickAsThieves or rename it [20:39]
ThickAsThieves and/or [20:39]
fluffypony yeah, so that's placeholder branding then :-P [20:39]
benkay fluffypony: what pays your rent right now? [20:39]
fluffypony benkay: I draw a salary at a group level [20:40]
ThickAsThieves if you must have Bee, then BeePay [20:40]
benkay a salary from this group of companies? [20:40]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: the Bee was only for the .ee domain hack [20:40]
ThickAsThieves it's okay domain hacks dont add success rate [20:40]
fluffypony benkay: no - the GearTribe Group, has a 5% stake in OpenRigs [20:40]
fluffypony and a bunch of other companies [20:40]
ThickAsThieves are you represented within the 5% of GearTribe's too? [20:41]
ThickAsThieves as in, are you separately part of GearTribe [20:41]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yes [20:41]
ThickAsThieves probly should disclose such [20:41]
fluffypony I did at the beginning I think [20:42]
fluffypony I'll double check [20:42]
fluffypony "OpenRigs is member of the GearTribe group of companies, of which Riccardo Spagni is one of the group directors" [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52970385 BTC [+] [20:42]
fluffypony first sentence under Company Structure [20:42]
ThickAsThieves ah, what % of GearTribe is you? [20:43]
fluffypony 35% [20:43]
ThickAsThieves maybe say so [20:43]
fluffypony ok cool [20:43]
ThickAsThieves "0-confirmation deposits from our wallets in order to ensure that trades are made as soon as possible before [20:43]
ThickAsThieves the market shifts." [20:43]
ThickAsThieves that's not exactly ensuring [20:44]
benkay ;;ticker [20:44]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.24, Best ask: 486.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 486.92, 24 hour volume: 6945.06957363, 24 hour low: 484.62, 24 hour high: 496.1, 24 hour vwap: 490.015634959 [20:44]
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ThickAsThieves why not just be transparent about what you seel and when [20:44]
ThickAsThieves be verifiable rather than make promises [20:44]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: it's not 0-conf to us, it's 0-conf between us and them [20:44]
ThickAsThieves i know [20:44]
ThickAsThieves butthere is still delay right? [20:44]
ThickAsThieves from fsrm to the exchange [20:44]
ThickAsThieves farm* [20:45]
fluffypony they do the trade the second we initiate the send [20:45]
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fluffypony if the send fails we go into negative that is caught up later [20:45]
fluffypony eventual consistency :-P [20:45]
ThickAsThieves negative what? [20:45]
fluffypony in other words [20:45]
fluffypony when the trade happens our account on the exchange goes -100 ATC +0.5 BTC [20:46]
fluffypony when the deposit confirms on the exchange it goes 0 ATC [20:46]
fluffypony *back to 0 [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00095733 = 35.3255 BTC [+] {2} [20:46]
ThickAsThieves so you sell the coins before they are even deposited? [20:47]
Naphex so what happens if you get attacked with double spends [20:47]
benkay sparta [20:47]
fluffypony before they're confirmed, yes [20:47]
Naphex what trades? [20:47]
ThickAsThieves opm? [20:47]
fluffypony Naphex: how? they don't have our privkey to double-spend [20:47]
Naphex well where do you get confirmation data from? [20:48]
fluffypony the coins are already confirmed on our side [20:48]
fluffypony this is between us and the exchange [20:48]
Naphex ah [20:48]
ThickAsThieves "o Coin has an enabled BTC market on Cryptsy with more than $1 000 worth of buy orders " [20:49]
ThickAsThieves why isnt ATC on cryptsy then!> [20:49]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I would write them a strongly worded letter! [20:49]
benkay your counterparty is accepting zero-confs [20:49]
benkay this is a red flag. [20:49]
ThickAsThieves the whole Paybee thing is a deterrent [20:50]
benkay the whole thing is low-margin madness. [20:50]
kakobrekla ThickAsThieves atc has over 1k bids? [20:50]
ThickAsThieves what if some countries apply money laundering laws to inter-crypto trade? [20:50]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes - get them to add it there and you can buy votes :-P [20:51]
ThickAsThieves nice [20:51]
ThickAsThieves by forcing an entity in their country to enact AML [20:51]
ThickAsThieves and cooperate with providing logs or whateverthefuck [20:52]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: if a country banned inter-crypto trades that would affect the exchange primarily? [20:52]
ThickAsThieves i didnt say banned [20:52]
fluffypony oh AML [20:52]
ThickAsThieves i'm just exploring whether you are exposed to red tape [20:52]
fluffypony well [20:52]
ThickAsThieves basically [20:52]
fluffypony we aren't required (right now) to KYC to receive crypto [20:52]
ThickAsThieves if i love your mining rig idea [20:52]
ThickAsThieves i have to also love your trade idea [20:52]
ThickAsThieves this is a problem [20:53]
fluffypony the exchange can be required to KYC us as the depositer [20:53]
fluffypony ok so then I split it out [20:53]
fluffypony separate the entities [20:53]
Naphex this is in paybee context yes? [20:54]
fluffypony Naphex: yes [20:54]
Naphex does paybee accept 0conf? [20:54]
fluffypony mrstickball: the frames etc. [20:54]
fluffypony Naphex: not a chance [20:54]
ThickAsThieves lol [20:54]
ThickAsThieves you have less money allocated to building this Paybee thing [20:55]
Naphex ok. does paybee issue 'different' pub addresses for deposits/payments [20:55]
ThickAsThieves than the mining software? [20:55]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: because I've done most of the underlying work, it's just front-end crap that needs to be done [20:55]
ThickAsThieves dont you have like major security hurdles? [20:55]
mircea_popescu this latest hearn bullshit is even more laughable than gmaxwell's previous attack. [20:55]
mircea_popescu who the fuck needs protection from bitundo ? [20:55]
mircea_popescu i can not be bitundone. nobody sane can. wtf. [20:55]
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Naphex dunno [20:55]
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Naphex does anyone use bitundo? [20:56]
mircea_popescu "let's solve problems that don't exist through breaking the bitcoin protocol" [20:56]
fluffypony Naphex: kind-of - a payment is only possible for 15 mins, so an address can be re-used every few hours [20:56]
fluffypony doesn't have to be completely fresh [20:56]
ThickAsThieves of course no one uses bitundo [20:57]
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ThickAsThieves Hearn is either a devil, or has some kind of offense to people poking at bitcoin [20:57]
ThickAsThieves like Luke-Jr barring sdice tx [20:57]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves more like, they developed bitundo [20:57]
ThickAsThieves children [20:57]
mircea_popescu nao trying to pass it off as somehow relevant. [20:58]
Naphex fluffypony: plenty of room for explotation there. which will bug out and might cause your 0conf balance to go wildly negative [20:58]
Naphex lots of edge cases [20:58]
fluffypony Naphex: if someone makes a late payment, for eg.? [20:58]
mircea_popescu cazalla you there ? [20:58]
ThickAsThieves so fluffypony [20:59]
Naphex fluffypony: a lot of the cases are around how you aquire and track tx data [20:59]
ThickAsThieves overall, [20:59]
ThickAsThieves what i see is a nice little hardware business, with ideas about what it could branch to [20:59]
Naphex that might easily cause problems with a bad implo [20:59]
ThickAsThieves getting bogged down by a load of shit [20:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [20:59]
ThickAsThieves you ask for $350k when $100k would take you a long way if you focused [20:59]
fluffypony Naphex: we watch the address for the amount requested; if it appears we know it's paid, if it doesn't (wrong amount, too late) we can't "contact the client" to let them know - they have to contact us and say "ohai, I screwed up" [21:00]
Naphex fluffypony: what happens if i senf a tx to multiple addresses you track [21:00]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: appreciate the input, I'll work a bit more on splitting it out [21:00]
Naphex send* [21:00]
Naphex and send 0.1 to each [21:01]
ThickAsThieves note i'm not saying split it out [21:01]
fluffypony Naphex: doesn't matter, we're expecting 0.5 to address X, not to the "wallet" as a whole [21:01]
ThickAsThieves i'm saying the extra shit should be tabled til the other parts are fully grown [21:01]
* fluffypony ponders [21:02]
Naphex fluffypony: yeah but in my case you are receiving 4 payments in the same tx [21:03]
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fluffypony ThickAsThieves: so then would it be better to 1. keep everything in but stagger the funding (eg. 100k now, another 100k when X milestones reached, etc.), or 2. take stuff out and then seek further funding later [21:03]
Naphex to 4 different addresses that you track awaiting payment [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095846 = 16.4855 BTC [+] {2} [21:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best << i doubt yo ucould shoot mice indoors. [21:03]
fluffypony Naphex: sure, but we aren't watching transactions [21:04]
BingoBoingo Eh [21:04]
fluffypony Naphex: have you worked with listreceivedbyaddress at all? [21:04]
ThickAsThieves well, in my opinion, i think the hardware business is the most sensible aspect, and then the mineotour stuff a nice thing to branch into [21:04]
ThickAsThieves so maybe 2 phases [21:04]
ThickAsThieves and 1 paybee gets tabled to be revisited in a year or whatever [21:05]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: ok cool, I'll start reworking [21:05]
fluffypony thanks for all the input everyone [21:06]
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fluffypony Naphex: getting back to what you were saying - listreceivedbyaddress [21:06]
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fluffypony so we poll that [21:07]
Naphex ah [21:07]
fluffypony and once an amount is available in an address for the minimum number of confs it's in the json [21:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] [21:07]
fluffypony (listreceivedbyaddress shows a "running total", of sorts, so you have to know what the previous value was to spot that it's changed, but that's trivial" [21:08]
Naphex fluffypony: i know, a lot of implos i reviewex had very bugged tracking [21:09]
Naphex thats why i was asking [21:09]
fluffypony Naphex: yeah I know, I struggled with the dynamics for a while before settling on "just poll the daemon" [21:09]
fluffypony early attempts were "just watch the blockchain", but altcoins implementations are so ridiculous [21:09]
Naphex mircea_popescu: wth, you have mice indoors? [21:10]
mircea_popescu http://bit.ly/1lFMuuB << check out that shit. 3 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 8 > 9 [21:11]
mircea_popescu Naphex presumably he's not about to run amok on a field shooting mice [21:11]
BingoBoingo Turns out it actually was a mouse and I had managed to dispatch it by stepping on it [21:12]
Naphex :)) [21:12]
ThickAsThieves "Supreme Court says child porn victims can claim payment from anyone who has their images" [21:14]
ThickAsThieves incentive? [21:15]
Naphex cp royalties? [21:15]
Naphex wtfux [21:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459032829788430337 [21:15]
mircea_popescu danke :) [21:16]
mircea_popescu Naphex joint and several liability. [21:16]
ThickAsThieves :) [21:16]
ThickAsThieves The ".farm" TLD is now available. [21:17]
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mircea_popescu im curious if they'll STILL pretend like "nobody is pointing and laughing at the naked emperor". [21:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah, i did know. [21:17]
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mircea_popescu !up zedong [21:18]
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BingoBoingo benkay: So yeah, hangovers still a thing [21:19]
mircea_popescu speaking of cube sats : romania's first and so far only sat, a 10cm cube, was launched last year [21:19]
mircea_popescu it failed within a week. [21:19]
ThickAsThieves how come all the newer ones fail sooner? [21:19]
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benkay 3d printers :D [21:19]
mircea_popescu how come coca cola sucks now. etc [21:20]
ThickAsThieves even space cant escapt the walmart effect [21:20]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work <<< they shouldn't have to spring for a ssd. [21:21]
mircea_popescu can't they just store it all in the cloud ? [21:21]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: must we type quietly? [21:21]
ThickAsThieves they can't hear you save-a-lot in space [21:21]
mircea_popescu amazon should pay for it, because this is so innovative and forward thinking anyway [21:21]
benkay well there's spacex, doing reusable launch vehicles [21:21]
mircea_popescu they'd recoup it all in no time because they'll get reddit gold and forum love. [21:21]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: maybe Amazon can just arrange for the CubeSat to be delivered into space by quadcopter [21:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06544472 = 0.6544 BTC [-] [21:22]
Naphex what else is there to live for? [21:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony i like asciilifeform [21:22]
mircea_popescu s sonar idea. [21:22]
mircea_popescu should be on a sat. [21:22]
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mircea_popescu Dogecoin Low Orbiting Quadcopter-Launched, Sonar Linked Cloud Sattelite Without Carbon Footprint. [21:23]
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mircea_popescu DLOQLSLCSWCF [21:23]
fluffypony lol [21:23]
TestingUnoDosTre no carbon footprint!!! [21:23]
fluffypony let's write a whitepaper and raise funds [21:23]
mircea_popescu it's for porn. [21:23]
fluffypony we'll call it "Proof of Launch" [21:23]
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mircea_popescu more like "proof of drool" [21:23]
fluffypony basically everyone sends funds to a Bitcoin address, and then we convert that to SateliteCoinz that we give them [21:24]
fluffypony and then we spend all the money and don't do anything [21:24]
mircea_popescu btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight. [21:24]
fluffypony https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E <- MaidScam raised 6240 BTC so far [21:25]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E [21:25]
fluffypony I swear, all you need is a whitepaper and a few media interviews [21:25]
mircea_popescu fluffypony let me let you in on a secret [21:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0009596 = 9.9798 BTC [+] {2} [21:26]
TestingUnoDosTre #bitcoin-assets secrets [21:26]
ThickAsThieves there's no way in hell that much coin was spent on MaidSafe [21:26]
mircea_popescu !up joecool [21:26]
assbot Voicing joecool for 30 minutes. [21:26]
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joecool thanks [21:26]
mircea_popescu ;;seen gribble [21:26]
ThickAsThieves it's smoke and mirrors [21:26]
mircea_popescu hm. if gribble is not here to have not seen gribble, is gribble really gone ? [21:27]
mircea_popescu well if the secret is not really obivous : neobee claimed to have raised 5k btc. but they lied. [21:27]
joecool gribble will live on in our memory [21:27]
mircea_popescu the reason they lied is that the fuckwits on the forum like to invest if they perceive others have. [21:27]
joecool (and logs) [21:27]
mircea_popescu not that the fiat venture circuit is any different. we had a lol over this @con [21:27]
mircea_popescu !up the20year [21:27]
assbot Voicing the20year for 30 minutes. [21:27]
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ThickAsThieves at my expense :) [21:28]
mircea_popescu the20year well if no gribble it's problematic. [21:28]
joecool so romania's space program is neck and neck with DPRK's? [21:28]
the20year Is there a way to ID with gribble if he isn't here? [21:28]
the20year Romania doesn't have MRBMs [21:28]
ThickAsThieves coincidentally i just emailed the software guys [21:28]
mircea_popescu joecool hardly. [21:28]
ThickAsThieves told em to get into the channel [21:28]
the20year Which is only slightly worse than DPRK [21:28]
ThickAsThieves so we'll see [21:28]
the20year We located a potential property #7 [21:30]
Naphex mircea_popescu: hitbtc says they got 7m usd, in investments [21:30]
ThickAsThieves how is the 3PO going the20tear? [21:31]
benkay ThickAsThieves: software aguys? [21:34]
the20year Decent, started great, has slowed down. Could be due to market, could be due to dropping out on the CREI stuff [21:34]
ThickAsThieves benkay, the software team that was making all the Neo stuff, got stranded, etc [21:35]
ThickAsThieves they have a plan to stay afloat [21:35]
ThickAsThieves i told em to come here for trial by fire [21:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06776309 = 0.2033 BTC [+] [21:36]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: are they locals or did some relocate there? [21:37]
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Naphex neo drama killed lots of its momentum imo [21:37]
Naphex if not all [21:38]
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benkay 17,790 sold first week of 3PO; 1,465 second week, 1,785 third week. any estimates on how long it's going to take to clear the rest of your sale, the20year? [21:41]
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ThickAsThieves they are based in cyprus [21:41]
ThickAsThieves two guys plus a whole team they hired [21:41]
fluffypony sucks [21:42]
ThickAsThieves they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid [21:42]
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fluffypony find someone to relocate them to South Africa [21:42]
ThickAsThieves but will scrap all that stuff [21:42]
fluffypony I'll sort them out [21:42]
ThickAsThieves they have new ideas [21:42]
benkay ideas, you say... [21:42]
ThickAsThieves the sort i am not familiar with [21:42]
benkay STRANGE IDEAS, YOU SAY! [21:42]
benkay perhaps wifi in the cardano. [21:43]
ThickAsThieves and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later [21:43]
ThickAsThieves and maybe the crew here can help them see any weaknesses [21:43]
Naphex everybody throw a btc idea out there, as fast as possible :p [21:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0679895 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {2} [21:43]
benkay sharpie in pooper [21:43]
ThickAsThieves nah i think their focus is in providing specialized bitcoin software solutions [21:44]
ThickAsThieves thin clients and other mumbo jumbo i no nothing about [21:44]
ThickAsThieves know* [21:44]
benkay well get 'em in there [21:44]
benkay here [21:44]
benkay wherever [21:44]
fluffypony benkay: sharpie in pooper = warm storage? [21:45]
ThickAsThieves hopefully this week benkay [21:45]
ThickAsThieves assuming they dont chicken out [21:45]
the20year Benkay, at this rate 3-4 more weeks, but the funding ends on the 7th whether they sell or not [21:45]
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mike_c ThickAsThieves: i believe it was you who was talking about timestamps on blocks. See here how it is unreliable in practice: http://i.imgur.com/i6Xa7Qd.png [21:52]
mike_c some altcoin miner has a bad system clock. [21:53]
ThickAsThieves it was me, i forget the topic [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013124 = 0.4593 BTC [-] {3} [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0683931 = 0.4104 BTC [+] [21:53]
mircea_popescu they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid <<< unless some greenhorn makes the mistake of "buying it", in which case the 80% turns into... nothing at all. [21:54]
ThickAsThieves their lawyers say to scrap it regardless [21:54]
the20year who's lawyers? [21:54]
davout mircea_popescu: "btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight." <<< wat [21:55]
ThickAsThieves programming consultants for Neo [21:55]
mircea_popescu and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later << except that's not what they want. they want their stupidity to be empowered by incompetent management, exactly like brewster. which is why they worked for him rather than for me. the only thing they'd do differently, the ONLY thing, would be for it to "work" this time. by itsel [21:55]
mircea_popescu f. they're great, as they are. [21:55]
mircea_popescu davout Oleanie joined, so whadda ya expect. [21:55]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:55]
davout oh, the other blondie [21:56]
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mircea_popescu the other blondie has a peen [21:56]
mircea_popescu dude this fucking log. am i ever going through it! [21:57]
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davout mircea_popescu: my fucking log is pretty packed too, gotta buy a new one [21:58]
mircea_popescu lol [21:58]
ThickAsThieves in debating whether to go to Amsterdam next month, my wife "you can't just go to Europe every month!" me: "why not? i can do whatever i want" [21:58]
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ThickAsThieves she didnt know what to say [21:58]
mircea_popescu http://moneygunsweed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/killian-skarr-sex-machine03-500x666.jpg << the fcking log. [21:59]
ThickAsThieves yikes [21:59]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCHD41I7ok [21:59]
davout ew [21:59]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:59]
fluffypony da fuq [22:00]
fluffypony do not want [22:00]
mircea_popescu !up BigBitz [22:00]
assbot Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes. [22:00]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot BigBitz [22:00]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013 [22:00]
BigBitz thx. [22:00]
mircea_popescu BigBitz you id with gribble then pm assbot !up [22:00]
BigBitz ;;ident [22:00]
gribble Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu [22:00]
BigBitz Ah !up - didn't know the command. :) [22:00]
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BigBitz ThickAsThieves go to Amsterdam. It's nice :) [22:01]
mircea_popescu HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." << satellite avionics ? [22:01]
ThickAsThieves BigBitz, I've been, twice [22:01]
BigBitz ThickAsThieves third time will be a charm then. [22:01]
ThickAsThieves just $1800 to fly and attend the conference [22:02]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa! [22:02]
BigBitz Meh isn't the AMS conference a flop? [22:02]
asciilifeform which one of you weirdos was hunting mice with a mosin. [22:02]
asciilifeform or did i dream this [22:02]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: [22:02]
mircea_popescu "An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" <<< pretty sure is magic! [22:02]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [22:02]
BigBitz I want to go to South Africa, actually, fluffypony. [22:02]
* fluffypony has wine [22:02]
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fluffypony BigBitz: let me know if you want to come, you can take a turn past us and we can see how many bottles of wine we can get through [22:02]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah that quote broke my brain [22:03]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: you should see where the comment thread went to from there, that guy was an idiot [22:03]
BigBitz fluffypony, awesome. I want go to Safari. [22:03]
mircea_popescu fluffypony there's a reason i don't read these things. [22:03]
ThickAsThieves i do have all these euros i converted at the airport that were of no use in ROmania [22:03]
fluffypony BigBitz: so many awesome safari places near us and up near Kruger park, so for definite let me know :) [22:04]
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BigBitz Awesome. If I am there I will hit you up. :) [22:04]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that zimbabwe oil thing and the peron cold fusion thing should make babies. [22:04]
asciilifeform loltron! [22:04]
TomServo asciilifeform: I believe BingoBoingo was inquiring about the rifles. [22:04]
ThickAsThieves <+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa! // my wife would be into that [22:05]
asciilifeform the baby will incubate in the '90s 'elbrus' supercomputer [22:05]
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ThickAsThieves she wants to save the animals [22:05]
ThickAsThieves and pet them [22:05]
ThickAsThieves etc [22:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so you shoot them, she hurries them to the animal er. [22:05]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:05]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: we're literally 20kms from Jukani - http://www.jukani.co.za [22:05]
mircea_popescu i'm the only one here that's actually shot things btw ? [22:05]
benkay negatron. [22:05]
ThickAsThieves how dare you, knowing of my scarred upbringing! [22:05]
ThickAsThieves i shot things [22:05]
mircea_popescu that's good then. [22:05]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I have, then I married a vegetarian, now I have to do it on the sly [22:06]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i mean things with a pulse. [22:06]
ThickAsThieves ive skinned things alive [22:06]
benkay i've also done the dirty work of laying birds in the field. [22:06]
ThickAsThieves :/ [22:06]
mircea_popescu fluffypony maybe you should marry ThickAsThieves and your blondie his. [22:06]
fluffypony hah hah [22:06]
fluffypony #bitcoin-assets...making swinging...interesting since April, 2012 [22:07]
ThickAsThieves i dont think any live thing i shot at ever connected [22:07]
ThickAsThieves my dad had to take over [22:07]
ThickAsThieves he still does bow hunting [22:07]
ThickAsThieves he actually was a gundealer for a while [22:07]
mod6 i shoot phesants every fall. [22:08]
mod6 tasty too! [22:08]
ThickAsThieves ive killed many sea creatures though [22:08]
ThickAsThieves various methods [22:08]
fluffypony mod6: I read that as "I shoot peasants" and I was like "ooooh, he must live in Australia" [22:08]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:08]
mod6 haha [22:09]
mircea_popescu Naphex here's a joke for you : [22:09]
mircea_popescu two gypsies doing crossword puzzle. "haoleo metal prehtios din patru litere minca [22:09]
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mircea_popescu -ti-as" [22:09]
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mircea_popescu *din trei litere [22:09]
mircea_popescu "haur!" "hala-i din patru mo!" [22:10]
mircea_popescu "fer" [22:10]
Naphex :)) [22:11]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: [22:13]
mircea_popescu ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument << maybe you two should exchange wives for a summer ? [22:13]
TomServo and see who comes back with a better rating? [22:14]
mircea_popescu lol good one. [22:14]
davout TomServo: lol [22:14]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument <<< you know, there's a relation between the welt count per butt and domestic bliss. [22:14]
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mircea_popescu (if you're any good you can make them look like exclamation points, too) [22:15]
kakobrekla not looking so much for exchanging as to adding. [22:15]
fluffypony hah hah [22:15]
mircea_popescu (also notice that my comment was gender-neutral) [22:16]
fluffypony some prefer to bend, some prefer to send, I don't judge [22:16]
mircea_popescu moiety: voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" << oi. ok that takes the fucking cake. [22:17]
mircea_popescu "because i felt like swallowing and i was fresh out of frozen splooge." [22:17]
kakobrekla http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/248 [22:17]
ozbot Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/248 [22:17]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: not only that [22:18]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: xen, for instance, emulates a NIC with... promiscuous mode [22:18]
asciilifeform why? ask it, not me [22:18]
fluffypony asciilifeform: ouch [22:18]
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asciilifeform in general, 'don't install toilet in kitchen' [22:20]
davout mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBy7XXmylo#t=170 [22:21]
chetty asciilifeform, that sounds like a murican label [22:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i once rescued a damsel from a situation where her living space consisted of... kitchen. you could shower over the "toilet", and there was a small stove nearby. [22:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ussr? [22:22]
mircea_popescu worse. [22:22]
mircea_popescu davout passed it along [22:22]
asciilifeform пааааартия ленинааааа! [22:22]
kakobrekla doesnt count, too easy, no effort. [22:22]
davout what do you mean? [22:23]
mircea_popescu davout i'm not the one that lost me A FORTUNE in bitcoinz [22:23]
davout aah i see [22:23]
mircea_popescu "MILK FUTURES RISE TO RECORD $24.29 PER 100 LBS IN CHICAGO. Who needs food anyway" << clearly, BingoBoingo isn't telling us everything. [22:23]
mircea_popescu sitting here scamming us about how he drinks hooch etc. [22:24]
asciilifeform milk from what species. [22:24]
mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ [22:24]
ozbot The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [22:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform bos taurus ? [22:25]
asciilifeform that has to be cheaper [22:25]
moiety mircea_popescu: that was the tip of the iceberg with that dude, total idiot. also, shower/kitchen is better than no living space at all! [22:25]
chetty http://news.sky.com/story/1247985/raf-jet-chases-russian-planes-away-from-uk [22:25]
ozbot RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK [22:25]
mircea_popescu moiety well, independence, you know ? [22:26]
mircea_popescu davout "technique and shit. i should've fucking figured that the french are going to pwn anything involving diddlage" ~mpoe-pr [22:26]
mircea_popescu http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/quentin-tarantinos-lawsuit-against-gawker-thrown-out-of-court/ << lels. [22:27]
davout in which dictionary am i fucking supposed to look up "diddlage" [22:27]
moiety urban [22:27]
asciilifeform davout: dildonics [22:27]
davout ;;ud diddlage [22:28]
gribble Google found nothing. [22:28]
asciilifeform ;;ud dildonics [22:28]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildonics | Probably a lot of lesbians have degrees in dildonics. Sometimes a fag named TJ sneaks in a warehouse and frolics around in a pile of dirty dildos. What a dildo. [22:28]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: dildonics [22:28]
davout bwah [22:28]
moiety !up Mats_cd03 [22:28]
assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes. [22:28]
* assbot gives voice to Mats_cd03 [22:28]
Mats_cd03 :D [22:28]
Mats_cd03 moiety, you know, youre my favorite [22:29]
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fluffypony ;;ud dildotics [22:29]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildotics | Jan 13, 2008 ... dill-dod-iks; noun or adj. The science or study of dildos and the origin of their creation. Trademarked by Dildotics Incorporated, circa 2002. Adv.. [22:29]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: dildotics [22:29]
mircea_popescu davout prolly the act of diddling. [22:30]
mircea_popescu ;;google to diddle [22:30]
gribble Urban Dictionary: diddle: ; diddle - definition of diddle by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: ; Diddle - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: [22:30]
moiety am i the only one that ups you or something Mats_cd03 [22:31]
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davout moiety: that sounds a little dirty [22:31]
Mats_cd03 hey, this is only the second time [22:31]
fluffypony Mats_cd03: they say you never forget your first time [22:32]
moiety davout: dude, i never think about that shit before i hit enter. i do it all the damn time, sorry [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32383 @ 0.00095377 = 30.8859 BTC [-] [22:32]
Mats_cd03 usually i pester benkay, but hes probably wasted and tryna molest a deer in the woods [22:32]
moiety benkay broke me in before kakobrekla showed me how to do it myself ;P [22:33]
moiety i do know how that sounded though lol [22:33]
benkay wat [22:34]
benkay oh a Mats_cd03 [22:34]
Naphex balauru inseamna pacatul, preotii recomanda rugaciunile pentru a proteja animalele din ogara [22:34]
Naphex just heard on tv. [22:34]
Naphex only in romania [22:34]
asciilifeform ! [22:35]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf << ditch the pdf srsly. [22:35]
fluffypony Naphex: translate plx, Google translate results are confusing [22:35]
Mats_cd03 i can translate that [22:35]
Mats_cd03 it has 'animal' in it, so he must be talking about animals [22:35]
mircea_popescu "dragon means sin, teh priests recomend prayer to protect domestic animals" [22:35]
Naphex fluffypony: its the same in romania [22:35]
fluffypony lol [22:35]
Naphex was on the news [22:36]
benkay har if only i'd had the pleasure of breaking you in, moiety [22:36]
fluffypony makes more sense than Google translate: "Balauru means sin, priests prayers recommend to protect animals from Greyhound" [22:36]
asciilifeform i must still be in me dream. perhaps i should go back & finish sinking the nazi sub. [22:36]
mircea_popescu lol greyhound [22:36]
Naphex hehe [22:36]
kakobrekla re openrigs . the whole things is a fad just like diy water cooling was a fad 10 or 15 years ago [22:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? << very. [22:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you gotta put the boards somewhere no ? [22:37]
* mircea_popescu is not a hardware guy. [22:37]
asciilifeform can't help but think of cleopatra's alleged diddlomat. glass, filled with bees. [22:37]
Mats_cd03 wat [22:37]
fluffypony kakobrekla: that's fine, I'm not aiming to create a massive company that will be around forever, quite happy riding a wave, making money, and letting it wind down as we transition to the next thing [22:37]
benkay hey mircea_popescu and asciilifeform now that you've demo'd the cardano for the elite when do you start taking our btc for them? [22:38]
fluffypony as long as that wave is 5+ years and not 6 months [22:38]
Mats_cd03 ive heard of gerbils, but this bees thing is new to me [22:38]
fluffypony Mats_cd03: Neo & Bee [22:38]
mircea_popescu benkay that's a good question. [22:38]
Mats_cd03 ^re: cleopatra [22:38]
moiety will iget kicked for life if i say i thought the cardanos were cute? [22:39]
asciilifeform why does everybody love pre-orders so much ? so they can bitch when conveyor delay? [22:39]
benkay i said nothing about pre-orders, asciilifeform. [22:39]
kakobrekla actually its even worse, the goal of water cooling was to spend money and look good, the goal of rigs is to make money looking like an idiot [22:39]
asciilifeform ;;google cleopatra bee vibrator [22:39]
gribble The Bizarre History of the Vibrator: From Cleopatra's Angry Bees to ...: ; Cleopatra's sex toy made of bees - snopes.com: ; The Long, Strange History of Sex Toys | Alternet: [22:39]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [22:39]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.18, Best ask: 487.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 487.0, 24 hour volume: 6238.13274079, 24 hour low: 484.61, 24 hour high: 495.2, 24 hour vwap: 0 [22:39]
mircea_popescu vwap 0 srsly ? [22:40]
benkay hahahahaha [22:40]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 314.59764223 * 485 [22:40]
gribble 152579.856482 [22:40]
mircea_popescu meanwhile brk-a is 190k [22:40]
fluffypony kakobrekla: well, it's also a cheaper proposition - our market isn't only people-with-$$$, the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd need better cooling than 20cm fans in an ATX case but they can't afford / don't want to spend money on water cooling or mineral oil immersion [22:41]
asciilifeform wanna show off, cool in Fluorinert. [22:41]
fluffypony but sure, in 5-10 years when GPUs are all mini-PCI-e size, it's different [22:41]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers <<< that's stupid. [22:41]
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mircea_popescu benkay: the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" << undersigned. [22:43]
Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/mgmrecords/the-aston-shuffle-tear-it-down-gamper-dadoni-remix [22:43]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: actually, the only time i ever built a water-cooled machine, it was to get rid of the damnable fan hiss [22:43]
Mats_cd03 'lady music' if benkay is a judge [22:43]
benkay yup starts with a piano designed for tingles [22:44]
Mats_cd03 im still butthurt you said that [22:44]
Mats_cd03 there we go again [22:44]
kakobrekla asciilifeform i have build many but now i have a fan solution that is quieter than any pump. [22:44]
benkay ew wtf is this plinky plonk guitar [22:44]
benkay Mats_cd03: i have joins/parts turned off [22:44]
benkay so just msg me when you want up [22:44]
benkay although you gotta cut it out with this gay house/trance/whatever shit [22:45]
* benkay bobs head sarcastically [22:45]
benkay oh yeah baby [22:45]
* Mats_cd03 searches for something palatable [22:45]
bounce soundcloud keeps on finding ways to suck more [22:45]
Mats_cd03 dat sax, though. [22:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00095588 = 21.3639 BTC [+] [22:46]
benkay one of my normal haunts recently tried to play pandora plus in two separate locations in their joint [22:46]
benkay subjected everyone within earshot to endless "your pandora plus account is being used elsewhere" [22:47]
kakobrekla !l glbse yah [22:47]
assbot I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. [22:47]
benkay basically guaranteed that nobody in that cafe will ever give pandora another damn dime. [22:47]
kakobrekla wasnt there a 'yah' thing ? [22:47]
asciilifeform for everyone's laughter: [22:48]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/uE4oR6X [22:48]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [22:48]
kakobrekla asciilifeform but back in the day people were doing it mostly to show off and oc. [22:48]
asciilifeform circa 2000. [22:48]
asciilifeform brought this to dormitory on a wheelbarrow [22:48]
Mats_cd03 such cool [22:48]
benkay epic, asciilifeform [22:48]
asciilifeform such fool! [22:48]
asciilifeform was i [22:49]
kakobrekla cpu only? [22:49]
asciilifeform nope [22:49]
asciilifeform everything [22:49]
fluffypony that's awesome [22:49]
asciilifeform still had a small case fan in there, for the rectifiers, etc [22:49]
asciilifeform many stories, this thing spawned [22:49]
bounce that's a clear case of not fscking around with the cooling [22:49]
asciilifeform toyota corolla. [22:50]
bounce what's in there though, a pI? how much heat does it produce? [22:50]
kakobrekla anyway, with todays tech you can get silence with air. i dont hear my box even if its on full load. [22:50]
asciilifeform this was a dual 'athlon' [22:50]
asciilifeform sent to scrapyard long ago. [22:50]
fluffypony I remember trying to watercool a peltier cooler on my Pentium [22:50]
asciilifeform actually, i gave the radiator to diametric [22:50]
asciilifeform he has it bolted to a co2 laser, i think [22:50]
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bounce that's what, 2x40W tdp? [22:51]
kakobrekla we ripped the interior air heating radiators from cars [22:51]
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kakobrekla way before you could buy stuff off shelf [22:51]
asciilifeform anyone who wants to build such a junker today, why, who knows. but use a 25mL test tube for fill port (drill bottom) [22:52]
asciilifeform (i worked in a lab in those days) [22:52]
asciilifeform this bugger was no show piece, meant as workhorse [22:52]
asciilifeform but rumours spread, and other kids came demanding to see it [22:52]
asciilifeform even girls [22:53]
davout mircea_popescu: "vwap 0 srsly ?" <<< where are the puts when you need them? [22:53]
asciilifeform 25uL [22:53]
asciilifeform fuck, still not awake [22:53]
fluffypony ;;rate los_pantalones 1 hooked a brother up with some cleverness [22:53]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [22:53]
fluffypony erk [22:54]
asciilifeform bounce: 2x40W << there was a gpu; also a massive scsi hdd [22:54]
asciilifeform the latter eventually caught fire [22:54]
bounce gpu in 2000? o_O? [22:55]
bounce heh [22:55]
asciilifeform very basic 'nvidia' thingie [22:56]
asciilifeform this machine never once touched winblows [22:56]
asciilifeform 'freebsd' until it went to the scrapyard. [22:56]
bounce freebsd 4 best freebsd [22:56]
asciilifeform aye [22:56]
fluffypony bounce: you never had a 3DFX Voodoo? [22:57]
bounce oh right. no, I didn't have fancy new hardware. [22:57]
asciilifeform in some ways, that beast was an experience [22:57]
asciilifeform wake up, check coolant level [22:57]
asciilifeform 'fuck, microscopic leak again' [22:57]
fluffypony lol [22:57]
kakobrekla hm i dont seem to have many pic from that era, but i was using this when i was 15 http://imgur.com/veyY8j9 [22:57]
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kakobrekla the cooling is not hooked up on the pic [22:58]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: if i'd used that, some bugger'd have step in it. [22:58]
fluffypony kakobrekla: is that mirc? [22:58]
kakobrekla correct [22:58]
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kakobrekla it was not the first or the last or the best but yea. [22:59]
bounce used a dual ppro for a while, though it wasn't mine and I had to give it back eventually. [22:59]
mircea_popescu Naphex, if you love me do the following thing : [22:59]
asciilifeform what can compare to slipping a 'drowned' video board (all-snow display) into a chum's box at night. [23:00]
mircea_popescu on the page where one can submit documents to be verified, add a link to a textfile constructed as gpg -export-pubkey -a | gpg --clearsign -a [23:00]
mircea_popescu and add a simple html form where i can dump my files as a gpg -r -a [23:00]
Naphex mircea_popescu: will do [23:01]
mircea_popescu this substantially improves your security and helps a lot of things [23:01]
Naphex ill add it to tasks, i like the idea [23:01]
mircea_popescu if you're concerned about getting spammed simply make a sensible limit per upload (5mb ?) and only keep one record per account (the last) [23:01]
mircea_popescu so you auto-overwrite by resubmitting [23:01]
Naphex all uploada are limited [23:01]
mircea_popescu so there. [23:02]
Naphex yep. i'll add it. i like gpg [23:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51991795 = 1.5598 BTC [-] {3} [23:02]
mircea_popescu i like people one doesn't have to argue with. [23:03]
mircea_popescu ;;ident Naphex [23:03]
gribble Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is not identified. [23:03]
mircea_popescu Naphex well if you like gpg add a gpg sig to gribble wot so i can get your pubkey. [23:04]
davout Naphex: since when is your exchange up? [23:04]
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Naphex davout: around december [23:05]
mircea_popescu !up LeMarkz [23:05]
assbot Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes. [23:05]
* assbot gives voice to LeMarkz [23:05]
davout open outside romania too ? [23:05]
Naphex mircea_popescu: i will. only have special keys for docs and ndas [23:05]
Naphex and other unrelated [23:05]
mircea_popescu so make another i guess ? [23:05]
kakobrekla Naphex you only deal with ro people? [23:05]
dexX7 in the case one of you uses bitcoinjs: https://gist.github.com/dcousens/7a54e59a98e445c5ec2f [23:06]
fluffypony lawl, wife has fallen asleep watching Numbers [23:06]
* fluffypony plans pranks [23:06]
mircea_popescu undies on head ? [23:07]
kakobrekla forehead dick doh [23:07]
fluffypony hah hah [23:07]
Naphex kakobrekla: ron is the only fiat atm [23:07]
Naphex but you can withdar eur [23:07]
kakobrekla yeah but im from somalia [23:07]
Naphex and get soke bank conversion fees [23:07]
kakobrekla can i register? [23:07]
Naphex probably [23:07]
fluffypony somalia is best somalia [23:07]
kakobrekla perhaps ill try [23:08]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla or you could register a ro corp like sane ppls. [23:08]
kakobrekla what is it with you and corps, you speak of it like a hobby [23:08]
mircea_popescu it's a profession. [23:09]
mircea_popescu the profession is called "businessman" [23:09]
Naphex switched back to pc [23:09]
kakobrekla hey i never claimed to be one [23:09]
kakobrekla anyway i dun think its opening of corps that makes you a biz man [23:10]
Naphex kakobrekla: so RON/BTC is the only pair atm, with EUR,others to come soon while we still work some stuff out. [23:10]
Naphex we have sepa so you can withdraw eur, with way bigger fees [23:10]
Naphex same day delivery in romania though, so primary market [23:10]
kakobrekla its just side effect, not a pleasant one [23:10]
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kakobrekla k Naphex . [23:11]
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mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/ << everyone pls to notice the upcoming section. [23:11]
asciilifeform MPIF ? [23:11]
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kakobrekla he puts jokes in that box [23:11]
mircea_popescu mpif. [23:11]
mircea_popescu this one is fo realz. [23:11]
davout mircea popescovitch investment fund? [23:11]
kakobrekla a real joke. [23:11]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller can i pay you to send davout a cookie ? [23:12]
davout Naphex: what's your plan regarding financial regulation? [23:12]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: due today what time? [23:12]
Naphex https://bitcoinaverage.com/markets.htm#RON woot :D [23:12]
ozbot World Currency Markets | BitcoinAverage [23:12]
Naphex first listing ;] [23:12]
mircea_popescu fluffypony today the 24th :D [23:12]
fluffypony oh lol [23:12]
Naphex davout: i'm not the best to ask about financial stuff. but therese lawyers, and accountants and other people [23:12]
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davout mircea_popescu: send half a bitcoin, that'll do just fine [23:12]
fluffypony thank goodness, I'd like to sleep tonight [23:12]
mircea_popescu davout i had neh ? [23:13]
Naphex davout: from the little i understand, its mostly sorted and all authorities consulted [23:13]
mircea_popescu oouf, you want THE OTHER HALF ?! [23:13]
asciilifeform in usa, even the professionally sad can register a corp. [23:13]
davout i mean another one :D [23:13]
asciilifeform many do [23:13]
davout mircea_popescu: already rated you for it! you get 4 nao [23:13]
mircea_popescu shit look at that. [23:13]
mircea_popescu nao kako ain't never gunna catch up. [23:13]
davout Naphex: doesn't really look it [23:14]
kakobrekla one day imma gonna link you to taht -pr post that sez its not all in the sum [23:14]
Naphex davout: what do you mean? [23:14]
asciilifeform 'it's not the height of the tower, but the amount of power.' [23:14]
mircea_popescu BCB has > 1024 total holy shit. [23:15]
benkay !up thestringpuller [23:15]
assbot Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes. [23:15]
* assbot gives voice to thestringpuller [23:15]
mircea_popescu i'm like #39 biggest number. [23:15]
numerisTrade mircea_popescu, you will not share any details before having them posted there, will you? :) [23:15]
davout Naphex: i mean it's usually required from corps that handle fiat funds on behalf of third parties to be financially registered, which doesn't appear to be the case [23:16]
numerisTrade that is, regarding S.MPIF [23:16]
mircea_popescu numerisTrade ima make a trilema post first. [23:16]
numerisTrade gonna have to be patient, then [23:16]
Naphex davout: not sure how to answer that, or if a financiall registration is required. but all is operating completly legally [23:17]
Naphex by Romanian law [23:17]
mircea_popescu Naphex who;s the gc ? [23:17]
Naphex gc? [23:18]
mircea_popescu general counsel [23:18]
mircea_popescu the head of the legal dept. [23:18]
Naphex lawyer firm [23:18]
asciilifeform lol, my first thought was 'garbage collector' [23:18]
Naphex bucharest [23:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform get used to it, gc is what a cto of law is called. [23:19]
mircea_popescu Naphex that can't be a gc, it has to be a corp officer. he can hire whoever, but ultimately signs off on it. [23:19]
davout mircea_popescu Naphex i'm afraid lawyers don't have a lot of clues when dealing with bitcoin, iirc gox had baker & mc kenzie [23:19]
mircea_popescu davout only after being raped by usg. [23:19]
davout didn't prevent them from being buttraped on multiple legal accts [23:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC [23:20]
davout mircea_popescu: before as well iirc [23:20]
mircea_popescu and only because the two idiot investors who had enough sense that they shouldn't have been invested in the first place insisted. [23:20]
mircea_popescu which specifically excludes ver [23:20]
Naphex well all is clear atm [23:20]
Naphex and bank relations are great [23:20]
Naphex and everyone can do whatever they do best [23:21]
mircea_popescu you still need a gc. [23:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095588 = 14.9117 BTC [+] [23:23]
fluffypony or a gf [23:23]
Naphex got a gf :] [23:23]
davout Naphex: your banking relationship may be great, but as soon as you handle someone else's fiat by opening them an account, allowing them to cash in and out, you need a financial registration [23:23]
BingoBoingo TomServo: Problem resolved. Literally stepped on it. [23:23]
thestringpuller davout: what kind of cookies you want? [23:23]
Naphex so thats sorted [23:23]
thestringpuller chocolate chip! cool. [23:23]
davout thestringpuller: chocolate chip is cool [23:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: stepped on it with butt of mosin? [23:23]
asciilifeform or bayonet [23:23]
Naphex davout: there is no _need_ for it atm. [23:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There's also a deadly form of porcine mega shits killing off the pork here [23:23]
Naphex what financial registration are you reffering to? does one exist?;o [23:24]
Naphex https://www.btcxchange.ro/about [23:24]
ozbot btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania [23:24]
Naphex the firm is registerd, and registration printed [23:24]
davout that's something different [23:24]
davout look up the european payments service directive [23:24]
Naphex don't do law:[ [23:24]
davout the easiest is a payments service provider license [23:24]
Naphex sorry davout, can't answer much on that field. [23:26]
davout Naphex: tbh i like that answer much better than "all is fine we don't need one" :-) [23:26]
Naphex davout: thats as far as i know lol [23:27]
Naphex also i'm paid to code the stuff up. and make sure it doesn't get owned. [23:27]
mircea_popescu Naphex well so pass teh issue along. [23:28]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Stepped on it with show. Also the mouse was actuall a mouse. Was skittering around the garage while I was trying to IRC and smoke cigarettes in it. [23:28]
davout how big's your team ? [23:28]
Naphex mircea_popescu: i will tomorrow :P [23:28]
Naphex davout: 6 [23:28]
davout that's good [23:28]
Naphex with more but on different projects [23:28]
Naphex there'se 3 more working on a bitcoin atm [23:29]
davout do a simple test, ask the legal person, or whatever lawyer you have the following question : "do we need some sort of financial license to do what we do?" [23:29]
benkay !l mpex s.nsa [23:29]
assbot Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+] [23:29]
davout if the answer is something along the lines of "no, because bitcoin isn't regulated", then you should run awat [23:29]
benkay !t m s.nsa [23:29]
assbot [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000146 / 0.00016372 / 0.00018 (27190 shares, 4.45 BTC), 30D: 0.000146 / 0.0001634 / 0.00018 (28341 shares, 4.63 BTC) [23:29]
davout s/awat/away/ [23:29]
Naphex davout: that question i've asked. and thats the answer I received. That by Romanian law everything required we have to operate. [23:29]
Naphex now don't know the specifics. but i will foward the european payment systems thingie, and see what answer comes [23:30]
davout Naphex: basically, the idea is that bitcoin isn't the issue, [23:30]
Naphex no fiat withdrawals/deposits [23:30]
benkay how is that a bargain at all, jurov ?! [23:30]
davout you could trade potatoes it wouldn't make anything different [23:30]
davout "no fiat withdrawals/deposits" << what? [23:30]
Naphex are the issue [23:31]
Naphex :P [23:31]
davout the issue is on the fiat side [23:31]
davout yeah [23:31]
benkay dude [23:31]
mike_c !l mpex s.nsa [23:31]
assbot Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+] [23:31]
mike_c hm, that is not right. [23:31]
davout Naphex: allrighty, have fun looking it all up :D [23:32]
mike_c assbot should be better at that than anyone. [23:32]
davout !l mpex s.nsa [23:32]
assbot Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+] [23:32]
fluffypony http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/we_are_the_internet_resistance_is_futile.png [23:32]
mircea_popescu i think it uses the average [23:33]
davout mike_c jurov don't panic, it's actually mpex that's all upside down, assbot is fine [23:33]
davout XD [23:33]
mircea_popescu actual last trade was X, but actual last trade AS REPORTED by assbot is y [23:33]
asciilifeform once the word goes out << i'ma confused one here. [23:33]
davout fluffypony: LOL [23:33]
asciilifeform must be teh jetlag [23:33]
mircea_popescu assbot: [23:34]
mircea_popescu [MPEX] [S.NSA] 27190 @ 0.00016371 = 4.4513 BTC [+] {4} [23:34]
mircea_popescu like so [23:34]
asciilifeform not like it's secret. [23:34]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581679.0 <- new scamcoin called GuarantCoin, "100% backed by physical gold, every single coin has certain value in gold and can be exchanged for gold anytime" [23:35]
ozbot [ANN][GTC] GUARANTCOIN [23:35]
asciilifeform satan preserve me from the journo interns. [23:36]
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fluffypony my favourite line in it: "This ensures lowest value of the coin, the exchange price will be different, most likely higher" [23:36]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you happen to have a loglink to where i propositioned you to do atc investment for me ? [23:36]
asciilifeform i'm pretty certain the buggers will come straight to my door, come the hour. [23:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not offhand [23:36]
mircea_popescu recall date ? [23:37]
BingoBoingo It was pretty soon after I took herbi's ATC and BTC [23:37]
mircea_popescu yo umean before ? [23:37]
BingoBoingo Yeah, Oh February 16th-ish is when it started [23:37]
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asciilifeform manticore?! i must still be on the german submarine [23:38]
mike_c hehe, guarantcoin comment: "Looks good; Nice logo as well." [23:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#504761 [23:39]
mircea_popescu there's that on 15th [23:39]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [23:39]
TestingUnoDosTre #bitcoin-assets secrets [23:40]
BingoBoingo Oh [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.0009547 = 28.8319 BTC [-] [23:43]
gribble Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: ; Clif High Wujo Feb.14. 2014 - Bitcoin, Mt Gox, bankers - Part 1 ...: ; Video: Roundup of This Week's Bitcoin News 14th March 2014 ...: (1 more message) [23:43]
asciilifeform lol that's the one with me making faces, isn't it [23:44]
fluffypony mike_c: the comments are a cesspool of stupidity..."Wow! Finally coin with the future!" [23:44]
mike_c well, most of them are socks. but yes, very amusing. [23:44]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ [23:52]
ozbot The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [23:52]
asciilifeform neato [23:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0009543 = 20.7083 BTC [-] {2} [23:55]
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mircea_popescu !up phish [23:57]
assbot Voicing phish for 30 minutes. [23:57]
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