Forum logs for 22 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[02:16]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[02:16]
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mircea_popescu	decimation: Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her. << that was exactly my note.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	boo hoo racism, horribru how they hired the woman after all.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!) <<< i'd be happy if people just came to some sort of consistent treatment of focus	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there? << in that case what makes the indians' land the indians' ? they can't be held liable for their ancestors appropriations.	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	sooo according to oglaf.com, this thing > http://www.spinnyverse.com/ is paying $200+ A DAY for advertising.	[02:31]
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assbot	Spinnerette	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	there's just no fucking way.	[02:31]
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BingoBoingo	jurov: that would be advice for BingoBoingo, jurov: hire doppelganger, walk out << I'll decline to comment on whether this option has been considered already...	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	!up ben_vulpes`	[02:36]
-assbot-	You voiced ben_vulpes` for 30 minutes.	[02:36]
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ben_vulpes`	humbug	[02:36]
ben_vulpes`	but ty	[02:36]
ben_vulpes`	mircea_popescu: regarding the north american indians - is their land theirs? is it not granted to them by the arms which surround, and worthless even at that?	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dood, your model.	[02:38]
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nubbins`	owning land, imagine	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	"These are the Functional Kingdoms, including Haskellia, Ocamlica, Schemeria" ok that's not bad.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	trickster is smecher in romanian too.	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	ahjahaha what ? pete meets a neonazi ? lmao.	[02:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22856 @ 0.00075148 = 17.1758 BTC [+] {4}	[03:11]
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thestringpuller	ben_vulpes`: didn't catch you	[03:15]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, nothing to report, i am going to get back to it though	[03:35]
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*	kakobrekla has burnt his finger. ouch.	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla sorry to hear about your finger.	[03:44]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu is a real human being and a real hero	[03:45]
thestringpuller	curb stomp curb stomp	[03:45]
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BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nxZ3jTvh--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cukoflrofvfssefec65t.gif	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--52962qVq--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cveapjpqekxtywto4xpf.gif	[03:49]
mats_cd03	;;later tell kakobrekla can we get a multiline up? e.g. 18:30:48 <+nubbins`> !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c	[03:50]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 bad idea srsly.	[03:50]
mats_cd03	:(	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	!up BlueMeanie4 Good Boy!	[03:51]
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dub	its hard being so awesome	[03:56]
dub	not just my cock the actual doing of it	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	!mpif	[03:57]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-]	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	dub whatdja do	[04:01]
dub	saved the world again	[04:03]
mats_cd03	was your dong involved in the saving of the world?	[04:04]
dub	not that kind of all nighter	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	be specific. use examples.	[04:08]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/gai-luron/	[04:09]
danielpbarron	https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/513853431531192320	[04:12]
assbot	/VictimBlamerMRA Join /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets. http://t.co/FLlihq0OIh	[04:12]
dub	the usual rolling, controlling, hating and operating	[04:12]
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dub	holding a whole countries shit down while motherfuckers slipped	[04:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0007517 = 6.8029 BTC [+]	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[04:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up nezZario	[04:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[04:23]
-assbot-	You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes.	[04:23]
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BlueMeanie4	you should !up me after I see what the subject matter is	[04:24]
BlueMeanie4	anyway interesting article http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/homeless-hacker-commander-x-quits-anonymous-retreats-to-robot-lab/	[04:24]
assbot	“Homeless hacker” Commander X quits Anonymous, retreats to robot lab \| Ars Technica	[04:24]
BlueMeanie4	just goes to show how pathetic some of these anonymous voices actually are in real life	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	i dun get it.	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is one going to "quit" anonymous. not like you can join it.	[04:27]
BlueMeanie4	just sort of conjured up some of my recent experiences with NXT ppl	[04:28]
BlueMeanie4	all these ppl hiding behind anonymity- you really no idea who youre talking to	[04:28]
BlueMeanie4	you could be working on a software project with a serial killer for all you know	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	for all you know, you could be the son of a closeted gay man.	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	since when do you care what they do ?	[04:30]
BlueMeanie4	you obviously dont follow my twitter	[04:31]
mats_cd03	wat	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	i don't follow any twitter.	[04:33]
mats_cd03	well played if joking.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	actually... im not so sure anyone follows twitter. it's mostly for speaking, that thing.	[04:33]
mats_cd03	there are many young people in america that 'follow twitter'	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what's the story here, derp couldn't get a secure cpanel environment in 3 tries ?	[04:34]
mats_cd03	so they can see whatever 140 char blather their favorite personality has to say	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 yeah well, i meant actual people, not anon mass.	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	as far as that goss, they follow the nature channel and advertising for chrissakes.	[04:35]
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BlueMeanie4	recently Jeff Garzik pointed out that their distributed object code doesnt match their source code	[04:38]
BlueMeanie4	and then started getting hacked + threats a few days later	[04:38]
BlueMeanie4	these guys are real class act	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/12/Anonymous-Unmasked-Meet-Christopher-Doyon-aka-Commander-X	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	teh story.	[04:39]
assbot	Anonymous Unmasked: Meet Christopher Doyon aka Commander X	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 and you link this to doyon somehow ?	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	what's next, the ridiculously impotent attempt of teh usg best and brightest on freenode too ?	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	here's a lol : i've still not changed my nickserv pw. har har.	[04:40]
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BlueMeanie4	no not suggesting these two groups of sociopaths are related	[04:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00075164 = 9.3955 BTC [-] {2}	[04:45]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/janl/status/513714191665233920	[04:50]
assbot	base64_encode($credit_card_number);	[04:50]
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mats_cd03	$conference	[04:51]
empyex	mats_cd03: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.31175674 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )	[04:51]
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mircea_popescu	wow over 3 huh.	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[04:55]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 397.62, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 397.57, 24 hour volume: 13438.06221814, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 412.59, 24 hour vwap: 401.774501965	[04:55]
dub	mp linking teaparty blawgs	[04:56]
dub	wat nek	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	the future is infinite!	[04:57]
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Duffer1	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/texas-man-must-pay-40-4m-for-running-bitcoin-based-scam-court-rules/	[05:31]
assbot	Texas man must pay $40.4M for running Bitcoin-based scam \| Ars Technica	[05:31]
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mats_cd03	weak	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 was here yest	[05:32]
Duffer1	i'm online so much it's always surprising when i find two day old news	[05:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.0007499 = 15.1855 BTC [-] {2}	[05:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00075128 = 16.3403 BTC [+] {2}	[05:48]
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BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[06:11]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321949 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 610 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 4 minutes, and 31 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35128209834.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: 17.7624	[06:11]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/sexing-in-the-us/	[06:16]
mod6	%d	[06:29]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 296014.01 in 942 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.24	[06:29]
mod6	%p	[06:29]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 124.61 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.05 TH/s	[06:29]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[06:33]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#45426): 3 hour(s), 35 minutes	[06:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00075231 = 2.5202 BTC [+]	[06:38]
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thestringpuller	dude	[07:08]
thestringpuller	the actual fuck	[07:08]
thestringpuller	can we get some hp pointed to atc?	[07:08]
thestringpuller	%nethash	[07:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: some sort of consistent treatment of focus << 'ratpoison' has 'polite mode' and 'rude mode' (window can open, on current display, or cannot.) i've them set to single key toggle.	[07:23]
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asciilifeform	switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na	[07:35]
asciilifeform	ggum/articles/3244633165773164@naggum.no.html)	[07:35]
assbot	404 Not Found	[07:35]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: how os x << better question, -why' os x	[07:36]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts	[07:40]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion?	[07:43]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha that was why.	[07:43]
ben_vulpes	i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.	[07:43]
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BingoBoingo	What? A pushcart isn't mobile enough?	[07:45]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i recently ended up in a similar situation (some work in a godforsaken bare walls site) and looked at laptops, finding nothing even vaguely worth owning	[07:45]
nubbins`	my 2008 macbook is still going strong	[07:45]
nubbins`	in fact, i just ordered 8gb of ram for it	[07:45]
nubbins`	should be a bit zippier than the current 2	[07:45]
*	ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table	[07:45]
*	asciilifeform has 'mac air' circa '09, when absolutely must work in the jungles	[07:45]
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asciilifeform	575 buys... a doghouse here.	[07:46]
asciilifeform	for a small dog.	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	it's just a bay in a warehouse.	[07:46]
nubbins`	575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month	[07:46]
asciilifeform	what's a pt ?	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	paper towels	[07:46]
asciilifeform	aha	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	toilet paper, paper towels	[07:46]
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ben_vulpes	there's a nice symmetry	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent	[07:46]
nubbins`	toilet pluger, pay toilet	[07:46]
asciilifeform	or 'piss tank'	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	access to piss tank(s) comes with rent	[07:47]
ben_vulpes	slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though	[07:47]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the machine shop ?	[07:47]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more.	[07:47]
asciilifeform	aaha.	[07:48]
ben_vulpes	but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.	[07:48]
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ben_vulpes	natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.	[07:48]
*	asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...)	[07:48]
ben_vulpes	in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.	[07:49]
ben_vulpes	once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...	[07:50]
ben_vulpes	(chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...)	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48653 @ 0.00075242 = 36.6075 BTC [+] {3}	[07:52]
ben_vulpes	the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).	[07:52]
nubbins`	there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off	[07:52]
ben_vulpes	various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.	[07:53]
ben_vulpes	vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools	[07:53]
nubbins`	you're a stick welder ahead of my print shop so far	[07:53]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: these are perfectly fine things every adult man i know, owns.	[07:53]
ben_vulpes	for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.	[07:53]
asciilifeform	minus one or two	[07:54]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.	[07:54]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes travels ?	[07:54]
*	ben_vulpes hovels	[07:54]
*	asciilifeform also hovels, packs the hovel anyway	[07:54]
ben_vulpes	it's fair packable.	[07:55]
ben_vulpes	but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.	[07:55]
ben_vulpes	oh and a grinder.	[07:55]
ben_vulpes	can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.	[07:55]
ben_vulpes	* asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.	[07:56]
ben_vulpes	then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around	[07:57]
*	ben_vulpes shudders at the memory	[07:57]
asciilifeform	'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ?	[07:57]
ben_vulpes	"hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"	[07:58]
ben_vulpes	"oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."	[07:59]
ben_vulpes	'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price	[08:00]
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ben_vulpes	options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.	[08:01]
*	asciilifeform if condemned to work on 'web stack' would rather have the lethal one. suffer less.	[08:02]
ben_vulpes	you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer.	[08:03]
xmj	...	[08:03]
xmj	working on 'web stack' is easy enough	[08:04]
xmj	charge more if it's boring.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	i also once earned bread by running wires in ceilings, walls.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	and may again.	[08:04]
xmj	how very Roark-y of you, asciilifeform	[08:04]
asciilifeform	lol.	[08:04]
ben_vulpes	it's all just plumbing.	[08:05]
xmj	of course it is	[08:05]
ben_vulpes	i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests.	[08:05]
xmj	that's what makes it so attractive	[08:05]
xmj	sysadmin is digital plumbing.	[08:05]
xmj	plumbing is... plumbing.	[08:05]
nubbins`	print shop, creative plumbing	[08:06]
asciilifeform	with the exception that plumbing of pipes to carry water, shit, - is honest work.	[08:06]
nubbins`	just because anyone with a set of arms can do it doesn't mean it's honest	[08:06]
ben_vulpes	what is dishonest work?	[08:06]
asciilifeform	honest in the sense that water, shit need to run.	[08:06]
asciilifeform	most computer systems have no business really existing.	[08:07]
nubbins`	but we need to do the thing faster	[08:07]
xmj	it's the old debate	[08:07]
ben_vulpes	so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.	[08:07]
xmj	and it's boring.	[08:07]
*	xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century.	[08:07]
xmj	please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last.	[08:08]
thestringpuller	xmj sounds like a file format	[08:08]
asciilifeform	xmj: familiar with edison's dc current electrical grid ?	[08:08]
nubbins`	;;google xmj file extension	[08:08]
ben_vulpes	operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.	[08:08]
gribble	What does XMJ stand for? - Abbreviations.com: ; Ubuntu Manpage: xmj, mj-server, mj-player - programs for playing ...: ; TOSHIBA 14N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS Service Manual free download ...:	[08:08]
xmj	after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall...	[08:08]
asciilifeform	xmj: he would have power plant on every street.	[08:09]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"?	[08:09]
xmj	..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	xmj: this is roughly the situation of modern computing.	[08:09]
ben_vulpes	nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	stole german spigots, installing them << idiotic libel	[08:09]
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xmj	asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works"	[08:09]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[08:09]
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asciilifeform	modern computing "just works" << lol!	[08:09]
asciilifeform	trololol...	[08:10]
thestringpuller	!t m s.mpoe	[08:10]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074591 / 0.0007498 / 0.00075299 (691738 shares, 518.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00074591 / 0.00075192 / 0.00076502 (4165683 shares, 3,132.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075378 / 0.00086605 (15942598 shares, 12,017.25 BTC)	[08:10]
thestringpuller	modern video games!	[08:10]
xmj	...	[08:10]
nubbins`	loose times, fast women!	[08:10]
xmj	ben_vulpes: why do you do FORMS for a client?	[08:10]
ben_vulpes	it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.	[08:10]
thestringpuller	forms > spreadsheets	[08:10]
asciilifeform	tight times - slow women.	[08:11]
nubbins`	5 cents cheaper than the theatre	[08:11]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[08:11]
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nubbins`	oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms	[08:11]
nubbins`	ms infopath	[08:12]
nubbins`	oh god	[08:12]
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thestringpuller	that's a thing?	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	microsoft, apple	[08:12]
thestringpuller	;;google infopath	[08:12]
gribble	Microsoft InfoPath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Update on InfoPath and SharePoint Forms \| Office Blogs: ; Introduction to InfoPath Forms Services - InfoPath - Office - Microsoft:	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	apple's shit's all about "end user experience"	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	m$ all about preventing developers from thinking	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism	[08:13]
nubbins`	nah man, you have to think plenty	[08:13]
nubbins`	because it's all a hot mess	[08:13]
thestringpuller	lol linux just kinda exists	[08:14]
nubbins`	between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z	[08:15]
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thestringpuller	i wonder who thinks these are good ideas	[08:15]
nubbins`	but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX()	[08:15]
thestringpuller	and how these ideas are incepted and nutured	[08:15]
ben_vulpes	oh god stop	[08:15]
ben_vulpes	no stop stop stop	[08:15]
nubbins`	and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions	[08:16]
nubbins`	applied as an onion skin over a convoluted permissions-based content management system	[08:16]
*	nubbins` vomits, weeps	[08:17]
ben_vulpes	noipe	[08:17]
ben_vulpes	i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.	[08:17]
nubbins`	i need a drink	[08:17]
ben_vulpes	bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming	[08:17]
ben_vulpes	i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here	[08:18]
nubbins`	heh.	[08:18]
nubbins`	don't feel too bad for me, i got out	[08:18]
nubbins`	oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7	[08:19]
nubbins`	LEL I KID	[08:19]
nubbins`	microsoft infopath: "let's make XSLT even shittier"	[08:20]
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nubbins`	this "openbazaar beta 1.0" video is brutal	[08:23]
nubbins`	guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description	[08:24]
nubbins`	"so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..."	[08:24]
thestringpuller	not everyone is as creative as you nubbins`	[08:25]
thestringpuller	gosssh	[08:25]
nubbins`	he doesn't have anything to say!	[08:26]
thestringpuller	lighthouse looked promising in some regards	[08:26]
thestringpuller	but meh	[08:26]
thestringpuller	lol	[08:26]
thestringpuller	all of it is pretty meh	[08:26]
TheNewDeal	;;rate nubbin` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3	[08:30]
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TheNewDeal	;;rate nubbins` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3	[08:30]
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thestringpuller	;;gettrust nubbins` thestringpuller	[08:31]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=thestringpuller \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller \| Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012	[08:31]
thestringpuller	no level 1 from you yet nubbins` :P	[08:31]
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nubbins`	don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings	[08:32]
nubbins`	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nubbins`&sign=ANY&type=SENT	[08:33]
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nubbins`	;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts	[08:33]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.	[08:33]
thestringpuller	love it	[08:33]
thestringpuller	i hope to be art connessieur one day	[08:33]
thestringpuller	but art is tough	[08:33]
nubbins`	stew meat is tough, unless you stew it	[08:34]
nubbins`	art is the same	[08:34]
thestringpuller	hmmm	[08:34]
thestringpuller	that makes sense	[08:34]
thestringpuller	that and a lot of practice eh?	[08:35]
ben_vulpes	art meat is tough unless you art it?	[08:35]
nubbins`	sure, yeah	[08:36]
nubbins`	that's what i meant	[08:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive	[08:37]
decimation	to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion?	[08:40]
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BingoBoingo	!up moldysnizz	[09:22]
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moldysnizz	squeeeeee	[09:22]
moldysnizz	hiya bingo	[09:22]
moldysnizz	Someday I'll dig out my computer with my chatquack credintals on it. For now, it's moldy.	[09:24]
moldysnizz	How've you been?	[09:24]
BingoBoingo	Not too bad	[09:26]
BingoBoingo	You?	[09:26]
BingoBoingo	How's the homestead?	[09:26]
moldysnizz	Fix'n up an RV I bought a couple of months ago.	[09:27]
moldysnizz	About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day.	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense.	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	the best example being, of course, your own dna.	[09:28]
BingoBoingo	Nice moldysnizz	[09:28]
moldysnizz	So, hopefuly someday soon I will be moving it onto my land.	[09:29]
moldysnizz	excited	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	* ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6 << not bad deal.	[09:29]
moldysnizz	I might have to put in a driveway first. :P	[09:29]
BingoBoingo	Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances	[09:29]
moldysnizz	=)	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit	[09:30]
BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/04/guy-motorcycle-looking-forward-donating-organs-year/	[09:31]
assbot	Guy on Motorcycle Looking Forward To Donating his Organs this Year - Medical Satire - GomerBlog	[09:31]
BingoBoingo	“You know I have my whole life ahead of me,” said 22-year-old Jasper. “Just in other people’s bodies.”	[09:31]
moldysnizz	heh	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. << the spanish right would disagree.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	all a matter of perspective.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: trololol... << he's not trolling, he's just new and clinging to it like it's his foreskin or something.	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	decimation: why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? << because you're a vampire and the casket with your home dirt feels cosiest ?	[09:42]
BingoBoingo	http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/09/18/how-to-discourage-a-doctor/	[09:44]
assbot	How To Discourage a Doctor \| The Health Care Blog	[09:44]
BingoBoingo	"For example, make physicians increasingly dependent on complex systems outside their domain of expertise, such as information technology and coding and billing software. Ensure that such systems are very costly, so that solo practitioners and small groups, who naturally cannot afford them, must turn to the hospital. And augment their sense of incompetence by making such systems user-unfriendly and unreliable. Where possible, chan	[09:45]
BingoBoingo	ge vendors frequently."	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	the framing is kinda lulzy awkward.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	apparently doctors can't write, either.	[09:46]
BingoBoingo	Of course they can't	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this is like its sister, "how the hedge fund masquerading as a 'research' university can take control of the professor/researcher"	[09:50]
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moldysnizz	wow. just wow	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	herpy-derp. as if it's avoidable. in a totalitarian regime the state takes control, of everything. until it all goes to shit in a monolithic piece.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	what the hell else.	[09:51]
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BingoBoingo	!up moldysnizz	[09:52]
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moldysnizz	Thank you.	[09:54]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3063483543243747@naggum.no.html on perceived arrogance	[10:05]
assbot	Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive	[10:05]
BingoBoingo	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283103461920369KL2065E@naggum.no.html	[10:08]
assbot	Re: OT Re: GNU CLISP 2.32 released - Naggum cll archive	[10:08]
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mircea_popescu	"Just because someone says he suffers, does not mean he does, and even if he does, that does not mean it is anyone's business. Quite the contrary, a lot of really bad people successfully manipulate others by lying about how they suffer and exploit the natural tendency of better humans to feel compassion for sufferers."	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	nothing "better" about it, it's a bug like any other.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying that heartbleed affected the better ssh implementation.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	no. it affected the openssh implementation.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	derpy usians are on this empathy kick means jack.	[10:13]
BingoBoingo	Oh Nagum address es the SGML/XML issue http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283054407117609KL2065E@naggum.no.html	[10:15]
assbot	Re: O'reilly subjugated to the Lisp juggenaut (well, almost ;-) - Naggum cll archive	[10:15]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-jet/	[10:23]
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bounce	the password is to stick it in google	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	!up GNULinuxGuy	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. << ahahaha kako got tired of digging	[18:19]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? << you know, the proof of idiocy is circular reasoning, not disagreement.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	lol bitcoinbelle	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	wtf is with all these people and their identity issues, i can scarcely imagine one's life under this convention. age 0 to 1 week: MaternityInfant ; 1 week to 1 year : DiapersDude ; Age 1 to 3 years : MrChewsalot ; 3 to 7 : FallingoverPerson ; 7 to 10 SillyPuttyPutting ; 10 to 13 OneHairYo	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	etc etc	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	can't just be Susan or Alex throughout.	[18:23]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[18:23]
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mircea_popescu	i knew a chick that had named her cat Dog, but at least that was a) funny and b) not the cat's doing. too much pseudo-irony for lyfe.	[18:24]
nubbins`	buddy of mine has a dog named water	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1749 = 2.0988 BTC [+]	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	on consideration, it's actually possible https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/458738254284468224/5L51itmv_400x400.jpeg doesn't realise her self-tagging as "belle" is at best ironic.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	on the plus side, til there exists a dude named xavier zappa. now that's not a bad name.	[18:27]
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mircea_popescu	"I think it funny #mainstreammedia implements paywalls on their websites. They think their gov't content worthy." lmao.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	that'sd a good point	[18:30]
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mircea_popescu	oh i totally want to pay something to read how nyt has rewritten the official usg talking points this week.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron oh, the rub is this is some twerp that wanted to have invented "bitcoin independence" except hadn't done their trilema reading and was nonplussed to find a) it's old and b) the people who did it aren't impressed with kids sitting on their ass "changing thr world" through verbiage.	[18:32]
chetty	maybe dog walk hour catches on in usa and nyt can boohoo	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	https://www.google.com/search?q=Julia+Tourianski&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X if you're curious.	[18:33]
assbot	Julia Tourianski - Google Search	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	chetty i don't think it can because well, that'd require meeting people.	[18:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/13984/ode-julia/ << leaving this here for pete_d :D	[18:36]
assbot	Ode to Julia – Bitcoin Magazine	[18:36]
penguirker	New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell jborkl yeah not a bad plane for the 200k it costs. prolly the best bird that money can buy.	[18:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:43]
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thestringpuller	the writer looks hot	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	she's at that age when merely washing and not eating crap is good enough.	[18:53]
thestringpuller	what is that age range	[18:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01114943 = 0.9923 BTC [+] {4}	[18:56]
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nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/AQy9kKW.jpg	[19:02]
nubbins`	thestringpuller depends on the person. for me, birth-40	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller bout same that the woman can effectualy become a slave, 16 to 26 or w/e. definitely not past 30, metabolism goes to shit.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i'd like to imagine you don't think 0 yos are hot.	[19:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share	[19:05]
nubbins`	course not, you're extrapolating	[19:05]
nubbins`	i'm only concerned with me	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	i mean i know canucks are weirdos and dogs and everything, but srsly...	[19:06]
nubbins`	fun fact, nurse in the delivery room was like "shit, nubs" and immediately engaged me in intercourse	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	conversational intercourse ?	[19:06]
nubbins`	sexual. it was the third woman i'd slept with.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	you slept ?!	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	what, like all through it ?!	[19:07]
nubbins`	euphemism!	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	welcome to technicality club, bitch.	[19:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.00074664 = 13.8181 BTC [-]	[19:07]
nubbins`	no sleep til valhalla	[19:07]
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thestringpuller	wait your wife had a baby	[19:08]
thestringpuller	and you had sex with the nurse that helped deliver?	[19:08]
nubbins`	wait what?	[19:08]
nubbins`	this is my birth we're discussing	[19:08]
thestringpuller	OH	[19:08]
thestringpuller	lol	[19:08]
thestringpuller	~_~	[19:08]
nubbins`	jesus, somebody get me a whiteboard marker	[19:08]
thestringpuller	8====> O = baby	[19:09]
thestringpuller	or something?	[19:09]
thestringpuller	right	[19:09]
thestringpuller	penis + girl hole = intercourse?	[19:09]
thestringpuller	yes yes?	[19:09]
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jurov	*to the world	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	he means he was born into one of those conservative environments where they use wet nurses and what the wet nurses do to pacify the young lord that cries/won't sleep is suck his cocklet.	[19:14]
jurov	but he also says it persists to this day ?	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	well... canada	[19:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42944 @ 0.00075063 = 32.2351 BTC [+] {5}	[19:15]
nubbins`	the cold preserves things	[19:15]
nubbins`	where do you think this name came from?	[19:16]
jurov	wetnurse4lyfe	[19:16]
jurov	btw, it's covered by insurance, too?	[19:17]
jurov	teh welfare!!!1	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	it occurs to me this conversation is grossly inappropriate for a serious, professional, tech minded channel	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	please take it to #bitcoin-dev	[19:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17108 @ 0.00075206 = 12.8662 BTC [+]	[19:18]
nubbins`	HA	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	the best part of eating cereal is pouring milk over the construction	[19:20]
jurov	as in, directly from udder?	[19:20]
jurov	er.. tit	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	lol no	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	justr, the moistening of previously dry matter, that could have survived indefinitely dry.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	it's very sexual.	[19:21]
Duffer1	how very tantric	[19:21]
nubbins`	do they have honey shreddies in argentina?	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	what's them ?	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	i hate sweets with breakfast.	[19:29]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreddies	[19:29]
assbot	Shreddies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[19:29]
nubbins`	essentially shredded wheat w/ honey baked in	[19:29]
nubbins`	y'see, when people talk about "commonwealth countries", this is the common wealth to which they refer	[19:30]
nubbins`	shreddies, cadbury chocolate, superfluous Us in words, etc	[19:30]
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mircea_popescu	and by superfluous you mean ubiquitous ?	[19:32]
nubbins`	both, i suppose	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	:)	[19:33]
nubbins`	technicality cafe: would you like a seat by the window?	[19:33]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[19:33]
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nubbins`	"sure, but only when you put the accent over the e"	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	"do you mean the window made the seat or it allowed the seat ? by as in by picasso or as in by god ?"	[19:35]
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nubbins`	SEAT... by Window	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	so how long should a li-ion battery hold its charge without discarching or recharging ? a month ? a year ?	[19:38]
thestringpuller	sometimes it feels like they can go a year	[19:39]
thestringpuller	definitely a month	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	aha	[19:40]
nubbins`	month sounds safe	[19:40]
nubbins`	longer than that is probably suspect	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	so basically you can't put a tesla in storage.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	this is a very interesting sidepoint to the whole electric car thing. a car YOU MUST FIDDLE WITH	[19:42]
thestringpuller	you can't put a real car in storage	[19:42]
thestringpuller	with gas	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	much like the smartphone revolution is to a large degree, for the anthropologist at least, "the phone you can't forget about"	[19:43]
thestringpuller	if you keep gas in the tank it ruins the fuel system	[19:43]
thestringpuller	be it carbeurated or fuel injection	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller so what do i do, take a laptop battery to the tesla, start it enough to drive to charging station ?	[19:43]
thestringpuller	you'd have to do the same thing for if you put a combustion vehicle in long term storage	[19:44]
thestringpuller	it's always recommended you remove the fuel from the gas tank before putting into storage	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[19:44]
thestringpuller	the only other option is to put fuel preservatives	[19:44]
thestringpuller	also depending on climate control the starter system could go dead in long term storage of a car	[19:44]
thestringpuller	so you may need to tow the vehicle to a shop to do "wake up from comatose" work on it	[19:45]
thestringpuller	i imagine with a tesla you just bring a single battery with you and drive to chargin station	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i had no idea of this theory.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	what's more, neither does the dmv : http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/laying_up.html	[19:46]
assbot	Leaving a car unused \| AA	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	Fuel matters Petrol will stay fresh in a sealed container for about a year	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/storage.php	[19:47]
assbot	Storing Your Vehicle for Long Periods of Time - How To Guides at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple	[19:47]
thestringpuller	yup these are decent guides	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	their only advice is to fill the tank, which is what i knew on the topic too	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	yes gasoline fractionally evaporates, but only in open atmosphere	[19:47]
thestringpuller	damn i forgot all about oil congealing	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	otherwise in a closed tank its own vapor pressure prevents it	[19:47]
thestringpuller	if you have synthetic oil you may be good up to 5 years	[19:47]
thestringpuller	but after long term storage with oil just sitting you would also want to do an immediate oil change	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	yes, sure, you'll drive it for a tune-up.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	but the key there is, drive it.	[19:48]
thestringpuller	with carburated vehicles if fuel stays in the carbs is clogs	[19:48]
thestringpuller	it*	[19:48]
nubbins`	http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/florida-woman-surgery-add-breast-article-1.1948199	[19:48]
assbot	Florida woman has surgery to add third breast to make herself 'unatttractive to men' - NY Daily News	[19:48]
thestringpuller	you may need starter fluid	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	so you mean like, back i nthe 70s ?!	[19:49]
thestringpuller	yes back in the 70's	[19:49]
thestringpuller	XD	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` most unlikely to backfire plan of the year.	[19:49]
thestringpuller	but I see your point mr. popescu	[19:49]
thestringpuller	I guess we'll just have to wait an see with the long term storage of tesla's and electric vehicles in general	[19:49]
thestringpuller	maybe someone invents a battery that can hold a charge for a lifetime and it's all moot	[19:49]
nubbins`	heh	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	more likely, someone invents tesla charger that works	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	i mean, tesla as in nikolai. the distance thing	[19:50]
nubbins`	yes, certainly a third breast will help her escape unwanted attentions	[19:50]
jurov	there are already solar trickle chargers (obv. they work only outside)	[19:50]
thestringpuller	hmm wireless charging has yet to become a thing even though the tech has existed a century	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	jurov storing a car outside is unlikely to be invented soon	[19:51]
thestringpuller	that would be ideal though	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that shit's giving me eyes 3d sensations.	[19:51]
thestringpuller	(wirelessly charging the vehicle)	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	like i gotta defocus or something	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	"Tridevil has aspirations to be a reality star, and hopes to get a show on MTV." woman does not want to date, because she wants to be on mtv.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	conceivably she also does not want to eat because she prefers to graze and so on.	[19:52]
jurov	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters,_Fort_Meade,_Maryland.jpg << most secure outside car storage	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	jurov those may be street art.	[19:53]
jurov	dunno, un teh us, actual cars are cheaper	[19:53]
nubbins`	mp watch the video on the bottom of the article	[19:53]
nubbins`	brutal	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	soo are we inviting her over for tits and biscuits ?	[19:54]
nubbins`	seems insufferable, you go ahead	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	lol. what's with all the youtube chicks, "hey guise, there is something i want to talk about today"	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	could just go hg-tisi wttat!	[19:55]
thestringpuller	!b 2	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` honestly, she just sounds desperately in need of guidance.	[19:56]
nubbins`	ya think?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	what gave it away, right /	[19:57]
nubbins`	heh	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	lol "i have all these 18-28 friends and i don't know anyone who is successful"	[19:57]
nubbins`	best part is when she says she's been working since age 15 and now owns a house, car, and motorcycle	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	o, that being successful ?	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, why so tense.	[19:58]
nubbins`	"i worked from ages 15-20 and now own a house"	[19:59]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/Uku02mU.jpg?1	[19:59]
thestringpuller	!conference	[19:59]
thestringpuller	what's the command!	[20:00]
thestringpuller	!con	[20:00]
thestringpuller	!conf	[20:00]
thestringpuller	:(	[20:00]
jurov	http://www.wired.com/2014/09/mit-students-face-aggressive-subpoena-demanding-source-code-bitcoin-mining-tool/	[20:00]
assbot	MIT Students Battle State's Demand for Their Bitcoin Miner's Source Code \| WIRED	[20:00]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: $	[20:00]
thestringpuller	$conference	[20:00]
empyex	thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29662096 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )	[20:00]
jurov	placing a js miner = fraud...	[20:00]
thestringpuller	mod6: ^	[20:00]
nubbins`	jurov iirc it was voluntary?	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	jurov wait someone wrote an "aggressive" supoena for a github repo ?	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	no tcp/ip where they live or what	[20:01]
jurov	nubbins` dunno "it was never actually functional"	[20:01]
jurov	whole article is a mess	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	wired baby you're such a highway hooker.	[20:02]
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mircea_popescu	kay so going for a meeting. if anyone asks tell 'em i'ma be back in about an hour. laters!	[20:05]
thestringpuller	where di mircea_popescu go?	[20:05]
thestringpuller	$depth mpoe	[20:05]
empyex	thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=202 Or use a valid MPSIC!	[20:05]
thestringpuller	$depth s.mpoe	[20:05]
empyex	thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 18667 @ 0.00074572 21900 @ 0.00074529 18714 @ 0.00074498 23400 @ 0.00074485	[20:05]
empyex	thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 11592 @ 0.00074644 27792 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384 7997 @ 0.00075406	[20:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074572 = 10.0672 BTC [-]	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	http://calagator.org/events/1250466855 << god bless portland	[20:08]
assbot	Church of Robotron Calagator: Portland's Tech Calendar	[20:08]
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mod6	thestringpuller: thx	[20:10]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/RIasguO	[20:17]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[20:17]
nubbins`	mailman came :D	[20:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0007455 = 7.6414 BTC [-] {2}	[20:35]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[20:35]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 400.07, Best ask: 402.83, Bid-ask spread: 2.76000, Last trade: 402.84, 24 hour volume: 12135.18562964, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.68935094	[20:36]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[20:36]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074529 / 0.00074994 / 0.00075406 (1007833 shares, 755.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00074529 / 0.00075053 / 0.00076085 (4250760 shares, 3,190.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.0007551 / 0.00086605 (16406165 shares, 12,388.44 BTC)	[20:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00074644 = 0.5972 BTC [+]	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	!up julia_	[20:53]
-assbot-	You voiced julia_ for 30 minutes.	[20:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00074644 = 8.0556 BTC [+]	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	julia_ you the chick with the guns ?	[20:53]
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julia_	yes	[20:54]
julia_	you asked for me.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	soo, what's this business about trolls,	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	and what's this business about hacked exchanges ?	[20:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0007504 = 4.4334 BTC [+]	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	as to http://bravetheworld.com/ if you try submitting a comment form it dies, check it out for yourself.	[20:55]
assbot	CHAOS BEGETS FREEDOM \| Brave The World \| bravetheworld.com	[20:55]
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julia_	my site has been completely fucked up recently	[20:58]
julia_	waiting to hear by from my host.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	looks like someone in the process of learning php has been editing the wp-comments files.	[20:58]
julia_	so should be resolved soon. feel free to post some hate next week	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	this is part of what im trying to figure out. why is it you think i should hate you again ?	[20:59]
thestringpuller	how did mircea_popescu ask for you?	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	did we talk before or something ?	[20:59]
julia_	looks like someone is trying to "fork" reality with assumptions ;)	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	yes, well, i don't hate people for that.	[20:59]
julia_	he was kind enough to email me so advice	[20:59]
julia_	some*	[21:00]
julia_	and I was kind enough to email him some advice :)	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	julia_ is this some kind of you're young and powerless and people just keep kicking you around so you figure everyone's gonna at the very least try or what.	[21:00]
julia_	and maybe you guys would have more fun trolling me to my face instead of drawing conclusions from my linkedin account	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	but when! and who! did that ?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	!s julia linkedin	[21:01]
assbot	0 results for 'julia linkedin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=julia+linkedin	[21:01]
julia_	haha	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[21:03]
-assbot-	You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes.	[21:04]
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julia_	+danielpbarron	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	julia_ that it ? mkay. so outside of being an anarchist hottie, what is it you do ? and what is it you want to do ?	[21:04]
BlueMeanie4	hello from Murica	[21:04]
julia_	well this is underwhelming - disappointment sets in	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 they let you in ?!	[21:05]
julia_	are you being sincere +mircea_popescu	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	julia_ yes.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	the thing with me is that im sincere.	[21:05]
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bounce	ah, you're sure you're not looking for abuse, down the hall?	[21:06]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	julia_ are you old enough to grok that reference incidentally ?	[21:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6863 @ 0.00074485 = 5.1119 BTC [-]	[21:06]
julia_	I'm an anti-state propagandist maybe. I want to do what I can to move towards something different. I don't know what I CAN do yet, except learn through experimentation	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	oh i see where you were discussed.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839641	[21:07]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2014 13:51:44; cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir	[21:07]
julia_	I've only done into the btc black hole 4 months ago, but I don;t think I'll be coming out	[21:08]
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julia_	I haven't done seo for years btw...	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	mkay, so what you want to do is get in the wot for one, and come up with something practical to do for the other.	[21:08]
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julia_	And I find it odd that people think I'm a puppet. My content would be a lot better if I was...I hope	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	julia_ i wouldn't be too worried about it, half the kids on the internet claimed to be doing seo at some point in their life. it's like being cowboy for the 70s.	[21:09]
julia_	do I want to get in on wot, ..I haven't decided.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	there's something to decide ?	[21:09]
julia_	hahahah i hated doing it. but I got my fam business ranked very well so w/e	[21:10]
chetty	nothing ventured julia_ is certainly nothing gained	[21:10]
bounce	you probably should anyway. with a bitcoin address if you're not into the gpg key waving thing	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	chetty more like, if she does next time someone makes a julia_ and starts talking here we can tell if it's her or not	[21:10]
julia_	ye +chetty indeed	[21:10]
chetty	there you go, being all practical and all	[21:11]
julia_	ye I get it i know	[21:11]
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bounce	might as well ask an ircop (found in #freenode) to have nickserv release julia.	[21:11]
julia_	trust. i just dont see myself coming back often enough to bother	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	dude i can scarcely imagine the kingdom of flies this socialmedia internet must be if the first notion in the head of anyone is that they're going to be hated or something.	[21:11]
bounce	for verily, nickserv says: Registered : Sep 05 10:19:56 2012, Last seen : Sep 05 12:14:19 2012	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	julia_ you know this is where bitcoin happens. you're basically saying you'll be part of the extra-new-york counterculture or something	[21:12]
julia_	im just curious what you wanted to achieve with that email mircea	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	i wanted to see if you can do something meaningful or not ready yet.	[21:12]
julia_	is this where bitcoin happens? hmm what a claim. I see it happening elsewhere	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	so you think.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	granted, an easy misapprehension to form.	[21:13]
julia_	I want to see if I can do something meaningful too. and it's better to do things when you're not ready. or else things will be stale	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[21:13]
julia_	""I believe in doing things too soon. In striking before the iron is hot, in leaping before one has looked, in loving before one has been introduced. Nearly all the great and exciting things in life have been done by men who did them too soon. It was far, far too soon for Columbus to set out on his crazy trip to the New World. The ether was not ready for Beethoven when he began a symphony on a dominant seventh. Shelley,	[21:15]
julia_	^ much feels. :D	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	julia_ ok, so what is it you want to do ?	[21:16]
julia_	+cazalla nothing to say to me?	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	(course, shelley talks of men, not necessarily women, but hey, let's gloss)	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	he's prolly still asleep. aussie.	[21:17]
julia_	well if it's too soon, how can I know? :P I think ideas have to just manifest and find a vehicle. I'd like to be a vehicle for something that can affect change. maybe that will never happen...but process is fun. I've learned a lot...more to come I'm sure. I'm very raw still. so don't assume I think much of myself because I don't in fact that's the only thing that gets to me.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	what, just in general, change ?	[21:18]
julia_	no- he was saying I was a puppet earlier :P	[21:19]
julia_	yes that's vague, change...	[21:19]
julia_	let me see here...how to phrase it	[21:19]
chetty	well being raw makes it easy for someone with more experience to pull the strings .. worht keepíng an eye out	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?	[21:20]
julia_	I think there's generational propaganda, different in every region. but if a minority of people escape the thinking they've been granted by states and the framework of their time, then they can build alternative systems.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" << totally.	[21:21]
julia_	+chetty oh now you're looking out for me? im autonomous. if I have any power, it's in that fact.	[21:21]
bounce	"thinking granted by the state"? o_O?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	she paradoxically has a point there. a lot of low level / common man thinking happens as a linguistic and paralinguistic construct	[21:21]
julia_	ye, like everything else. people are born into systems thinking they owe those systems something, and they can;t fathom living a different way	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	as state controls kid education to a large degree...	[21:22]
chetty	wow, its a general statemant julia_ , I keep my eyes open too, lot of would be puppet masters out there	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	chetty really ?! i'd have thought there's not even a dozen that can be bothered.	[21:22]
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ben_vulpes	julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?	[21:22]
chetty	well I didnt say good ones, mircea_popescu	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i'll bet you she dunno know what it is.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	-know	[21:23]
ben_vulpes	duknow	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	maybe pete should change his name again. pete duknow	[21:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up julia_	[21:23]
-assbot-	You voiced julia_ for 30 minutes.	[21:23]
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bounce	yeah hm. AFAIK often enough not wilful propaganda. though there's states with lots of that too, of course.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	what's willful even mean at that level.	[21:24]
bounce	more like prevailing strains of thought, like how n/w yurp education systems are typically filled with left-leaning do-gooders and the material reflects that	[21:24]
julia_	i use mailvelope	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	and how's this not wilful ?	[21:24]
julia_	and bitmessage	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	julia_ why ?	[21:25]
julia_	is that what u mean? encryption	[21:25]
thestringpuller	i thought bitmessage was dead...	[21:25]
ben_vulpes	julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?	[21:25]
bounce	lack of a central steering committee with clear agenda	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller no because people are born in systems etc.	[21:25]
julia_	mailvelope is strictly a gmail addon i believe	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	julia_ look, they're both gimmicks. gpg is the actual core of bitcoin.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	conceptually.	[21:26]
bounce	so it more or less arises from prevailing opinions floating around without concious decision to put it in. steering by unthinking.	[21:26]
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ben_vulpes	julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	bounce yeah well, the unintrospected can still be wilful.	[21:26]
bounce	(perhaps the inverse of wilful un-thinking expected from the polit crowd in 1984)	[21:26]
julia_	I'm learning still. if you told me I'd be beta testing open bazaar a few months ago I'd just go wide eyed	[21:27]
ben_vulpes	but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.	[21:27]
ben_vulpes	(and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	bridgecoin!	[21:27]
julia_	aight link me i'll go head and do it.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	uhh the fuck was it.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	;;google first steps bitcoin assets	[21:28]
gribble	start [bitcoin assets wiki]: ; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: ; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC:	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	;;google first steps bitcoin-assets	[21:28]
gribble	start [bitcoin assets wiki]: ; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: ; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC:	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	USELESS GOOGLE	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	dang.	[21:28]
bounce	what was it again, there's a few people, among them an activist married couple from texas, that have lots of undue influence in the content of schoolbooks in large parts of the us, because they influence the texas schoolboard with their personal agenda, then that cascades through the system by sheer force of purchase volume	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	julia_ http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[21:28]
assbot	start [bitcoin assets wiki]	[21:28]
julia_	nothing is that difficult. it's only a matter of bothering i find.	[21:28]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]	[21:28]
bounce	that'd be wilful.	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[21:28]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	lmao ben_vulpes stop copying me	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	this is wilful infringement of chatlines intellectual propertah	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ	[21:29]
assbot	Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube	[21:29]
ben_vulpes	there's only trolls in this channel!	[21:29]
ben_vulpes	what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc	[21:29]
bounce	oh, I just copyrighted and trademarked wilful, so now you both owe me fiddy gazzillion dollahs	[21:29]
julia_	ty	[21:30]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu sounds like cartman sometimes.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	julia_ lemme explain the difference. all usable encryption is based on asymetric keys. this is a keyword you can look up.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	gpg gives the end user control of the almighty keys	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	the bullshit nsa-sponsored solutions, whatever they may be called, do not.	[21:31]
ben_vulpes	;;google ultimate gpg key	[21:32]
gribble	Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: ; edit-key - GnuPG: ; gpg --batch --yes --edit-key trust - GnuPG and GNUTLS Mailing List ...:	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	this difference is as essential as the difference between linux and running proprietary ms code you can't modify or even read.	[21:32]
ben_vulpes	(julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)	[21:32]
julia_	i have a PGP key, that's different ye?	[21:33]
bounce	neh. details.	[21:33]
ben_vulpes	well, "what's a key?"	[21:33]
ben_vulpes	the master? the decryption key? the signing key?	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	as long as you use gpg, you're an individual, and can be interacted with as such. as long as you use anything else, including nothing at all, you're not, and whatever you may like to think or claim, can never actually be interacted with as an individual, except if you live in a 1900s reenaction camp where the intenret doesn't exist.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	julia_ not at all.	[21:33]
bounce	both should be openpgp format. there might be some differences in algorithms supported, but both should work together well enough.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	exactly the same thing. pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof.	[21:33]
julia_	so my pgp sig is what you're talking about?	[21:34]
julia_	ok then I'm aware.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	smart girl huh.	[21:34]
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ben_vulpes	brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i magically have no recollection of this ?!	[21:35]
ben_vulpes	different handle back then	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	what was it ?	[21:35]
ben_vulpes	julia_: ?	[21:35]
julia_	ive had that for a while, i didn;t know this part "pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof." thanks	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	julia_ so what's your key fingerprint ?	[21:35]
chetty	http://twitchy.com/2014/09/22/irony-overload-check-out-what-the-nypd-used-to-pop-floodwallstreets-carbon-bubble/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter	[21:36]
assbot	Irony overload! Check out what the NYPD used to pop #FloodWallStreet’s ‘carbon bubble’ [photos] \| Twitchy	[21:36]
julia_	5B51 A372 0F49 6281 ACA2 287E 1057 2E34 9297 B40F	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	i see you hav the public key published, but something like http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ is better practice	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	aha ty	[21:36]
assbot	Contact : PGP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.155075 = 0.6203 BTC [+] {3}	[21:37]
julia_	am I still a puppet? or maybe I'm actually interested in this stuff. hmmmm	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	so now you do ;;eregister [username] [pgp key LONG ID]	[21:37]
ben_vulpes	!s bravetheworld	[21:37]
assbot	98 results for 'bravetheworld' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bravetheworld	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	oh anjie's friend ?	[21:38]
julia_	ah right so i did register ages ago?	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	julia_ how is miss castillo these days ?	[21:39]
bounce	;;gpg info bravetheworld	[21:39]
gribble	No such user registered.	[21:39]
julia_	mk right - i remember now	[21:39]
bounce	doesn't have a search-by-keyid thingy, does it?	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	bounce yes it does.	[21:40]
julia_	ok where am i typing these commands? http://technerd.net/nickserv.html	[21:40]
assbot	NickServ allows you to	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	julia_ right in here.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	julia_ seems you never did, and you're prolly well advised to register something like juliat or JuliaTourianski or w/e.	[21:40]
bounce	you prefix them with /msg nickserv	[21:40]
julia_	why do u advise that	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00074544 = 16.8783 BTC [+]	[21:41]
bounce	(or you do /query nickserv then take it from there)	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	because it'll save you the chagrin of working for a year as bitcoinpete only to change it later to pete d	[21:41]
julia_	ok so if i follow these instructions in the order it should be smooth http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[21:41]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	and if it isn't, feel free to post your hate here.	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	!up JuliaTourianski_	[21:46]
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JuliaTourianski_	says my email is not valid	[21:47]
ben_vulpes	what's complaining about email hm?	[21:47]
mats_cd03	14:14:38 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.	[21:47]
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mats_cd03	and here i thought SEO was this thing aside from creating content	[21:48]
mats_cd03	guess not.	[21:48]
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mircea_popescu	it is, but it's things like not putting a ton of meaningless markup and generally it's "not doing idiotic shit"	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	for most sane individuals most seo should be directly obvious	[21:49]
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mircea_popescu	which makes it the direct equivalent of dating advice. something people living in the us need.	[21:49]
JuliaTourianski_	regarding seo, after hummingbird the emphasis on content and new content in particular was raised. sm as well	[21:49]
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mircea_popescu	what's humingbird	[21:50]
JuliaTourianski_	i mostly did creative local seo, on page keywords and content rather than paying for off page seo	[21:50]
JuliaTourianski_	google releases updates in the way they rank websites	[21:50]
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JuliaTourianski_	hummingbird was one that really hurt off page seo (like paying for links etc) because it made new content vital	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	when was this ?	[21:51]
JuliaTourianski_	ages ago	[21:51]
JuliaTourianski_	let me think...like last winter	[21:51]
ben_vulpes	!b 2	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha waht are you, 19 ?! last winter was ages ago ?	[21:52]
JuliaTourianski_	i haven;t done any significant seo since then so I don;t follow it now, im sure there have been more updates since	[21:52]
JuliaTourianski_	anyways- im trying to register and says email is invalid	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	who says ? nickserv ?	[21:52]
JuliaTourianski_	ye	[21:52]
JuliaTourianski_	-NickServ- [juliatourianski@gmail.com] is not a valid email address.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	no []	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	those are metasyntactic characters.	[21:53]
kakobrekla	use <> instead	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla stop trolling the girl omg!	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ use nothing. go nude for it!	[21:53]
kakobrekla	sexist.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	i am not sexist, i am straight.	[21:53]
kakobrekla	fuckin feminist mp.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	the difference is negligible.	[21:54]
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JuliaTourianski_	you guys know I have a anti-feminist series	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	is it any good ?	[21:55]
bounce	such antiism	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	antitism	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, i guess i am probably the most feminist here.	[21:55]
[]bot	Bet created: "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/	[21:56]
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JuliaTourianski_	it's my biggest video	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	link ?	[21:56]
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ben_vulpes	how many mb?	[21:57]
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JuliaTourianski_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-LCohouNDc my wokr b4 bitcoin :P ahahah much embarrassment but ppl love the drama	[21:58]
assbot	Declare War on Feminism: The Body, Sex & Rape - YouTube	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	got the script anywhere?	[21:58]
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JuliaTourianski_	ye somewhere	[22:00]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.	[22:03]
Duffer1	nubs? :P	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	so if silver actually falls under 15 it means the nominal value of the us pound would be like 240 dollars or so ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	uk pound*	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	not bad, 24`000% inflation in a century.	[22:04]
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The20YearIRCloud	i'm curious how low silver can go	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	historically it ended up pretty low.	[22:04]
The20YearIRCloud	I'd love to buy some more ASEs	[22:04]
Duffer1	ase?	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	eagles	[22:05]
Duffer1	ah	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	definitely more practical "survival" coinage than the golden stuff.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	course a bitch to handle, but hey.	[22:06]
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JuliaTourianski_	;;eregister JuliaTourianski_ 10572E349297B40F	[22:07]
The20YearIRCloud	Eh, a roll of silver dollars is pretty portable and decently valuable	[22:07]
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The20YearIRCloud	enough now adays for two cases of ammo	[22:08]
ben_vulpes	drumroll	[22:08]
The20YearIRCloud	or a month's worth of groceries	[22:08]
[]bot	Bet created: "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud i dunno where you find your women, but a coupla hundred bucks doesn't buy a month's worth of groceries.	[22:09]
The20YearIRCloud	Does for us	[22:09]
The20YearIRCloud	we spend $100ish a week	[22:09]
ben_vulpes	they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	$100 a week ?!	[22:09]
The20YearIRCloud	yes, all processed foods, HFCS and white bread	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	dude i gotta reevaluate oh.	[22:09]
Duffer1	that's about my food bill per week also	[22:10]
ben_vulpes	no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.	[22:10]
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The20YearIRCloud	My family of 4	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah well. i think stuff is cheap here, but i go through anchoves, artichokes, fresh strawberries etc.	[22:10]
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The20YearIRCloud	around here we buy and crush up a few multivitamins + flinstones chewables, and make into the HFCS syrup	[22:10]
ben_vulpes	hee hee	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	comes to about 1-2k a month, for a "family" of four.	[22:10]
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The20YearIRCloud	By anchovies you mean caviar?	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	no, i mean anchovies.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	it's this small fish.	[22:11]
The20YearIRCloud	they're pretty darn cheap here	[22:11]
The20YearIRCloud	maybe $4-$5/lb	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	in ohio ?!	[22:11]
The20YearIRCloud	artichokes are pretty cheap as well	[22:11]
The20YearIRCloud	Yeah	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	ohio is landlocked what are you talking about 5 bucks a lb	[22:11]
lobbes	not to mention property values are stupidly cheap in oh	[22:11]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,984.	[22:12]
The20YearIRCloud	Fish markets in columbus, they have fresh fish shipped in via air or same-day freight	[22:12]
The20YearIRCloud	We're less than a day away from the atlantic ocean, only 2 from the pacific	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	italian imports are about 10 bucks for 3 ounces./	[22:12]
The20YearIRCloud	I can go to columbus and get lobster/crab that was caught less than 36hrs prior to arriving here	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	less than 36 hours ?	[22:13]
The20YearIRCloud	About there	[22:13]
bounce	the wonders of cheap fuel	[22:13]
The20YearIRCloud	<12hrs from boat to truck, truck drive from say maine or somewhere is less than 12hrs here to Ohio	[22:13]
thestringpuller	Ohio isn't landlocked	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	i had good experiences with just caught lobster in boston.	[22:14]
The20YearIRCloud	We have lake erie	[22:14]
thestringpuller	Cleveland is a lack city.	[22:14]
lobbes	ohio has 'The North Coast'	[22:14]
thestringpuller	lake*	[22:14]
The20YearIRCloud	so all the walleye and perch you could ever hope for!	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	that's something. perch is pretty good.	[22:14]
The20YearIRCloud	It's about 2hrs from me, rent a boat and get all the perch you want for a $25 yearly permit	[22:14]
The20YearIRCloud	My brother-in-law was there in August, spent about 2 hours and caught the limit. He and his friends had 150kg of fish within 3 hours	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	i heard the us fish and wildlife's been spending a lot to repopulate inland waters.	[22:16]
The20YearIRCloud	Lake erie is fantastic, all the great lakes are. What's in trouble are coastal waters as the government has a pretty stupid deal to 'help' fishermen on the coats	[22:17]
The20YearIRCloud	*coasts	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud the moral of the story being something like, "it's the land of the thrifty" down there huh ?	[22:17]
The20YearIRCloud	They all run tax scams - Fish, sell fish tax free, claim no money on taxes and take government bailouts when all possible	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	sucks.	[22:18]
The20YearIRCloud	So, by the government's estimates, all fishermen are poor, so they should be free to do whatever they want, and laws are set up to prevent inland fisheries from producing farm-able fish	[22:18]
The20YearIRCloud	Like with that BP oil spill, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of fishermen that were all cash businesses who claimed only $50k on taxes, but in fact were doing $500k-$1m/year just themselves with a boat, and BP only re-embursed them based on what they claimed on taxes	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	haha	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	o so THAT's why so pissed off huh	[22:19]
The20YearIRCloud	I think Obama ended up saying they could go up to 3x of claimed taxes, maybe more. But what happened in the end many went under because they had been cheating taxes for 20+ years and it finally caught up with them.	[22:19]
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The20YearIRCloud	Those that were honest, or had enough reserve capital to buy more boats and keep themselves through hard times (Katrina & the oil spill) are now doing fantastic	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	this us you speak of sounds more and more argentinian by the minute.	[22:20]
bounce	rejoice while there's still fish. apparently the aswan dam is doing its part in depopulating the mediteranean	[22:20]
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thestringpuller	bounce is so pessimistic	[22:21]
ben_vulpes	yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	bounce that dam was there for 50 years.	[22:21]
bounce	been busy for 50 years too	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	hardly, tbh.	[22:21]
The20YearIRCloud	There's tons of that, people don't understand how big cash business is in the US	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	just, 50 years ago the current interest to make egypt poor didn't quite exist.	[22:21]
The20YearIRCloud	i'd venture to say that 1/4th of all money paid in the US is via a non-taxable, cash event	[22:21]
JuliaTourianski_	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13b5523f61f36a8137e4701bf2c86fcee94b6a2b5b134299d470cd26	[22:22]
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The20YearIRCloud	Are your anchovies imported fresh/live mircea_popescu ?	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud if that's true, which it could be depending how you define "economy", then the country is a lot more stable than it looks	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	even if its government isn't.	[22:22]
RagnarDanneskjol	I don't think there's that much paper cash in circulation	[22:22]
JuliaTourianski_	look. "Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_"	[22:22]
Apocalyptic	well done	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud anchovies are eaten matured, which means, salted and kept in extra virgin olive oil for a dozen weeks	[22:22]
The20YearIRCloud	US is huge ,and hard to understand. The economy of my state alone is extraordinarily complex	[22:22]
JuliaTourianski_	teehee- where's my lollypop?	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	!up Dimsler	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	;;ident	[22:22]
-assbot-	You voiced Dimsler for 30 minutes.	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	;;ident JuliaTourianski_	[22:23]
gribble	Nick 'JuliaTourianski_', with hostmask 'JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231', is identified as user 'JuliaTourianski_', with GPG key id 10572E349297B40F, key fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address None	[22:23]
bounce	what's with the _ though?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.	[22:23]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_,	[22:23]
Dimsler	bitcoin magazine editor from toronto?	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod	[22:23]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.	[22:23]
The20YearIRCloud	It's amazing how quickly we came out of a $1 billion dollar/year budget deficit to having a $2b surplus and cash in the bank	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	whose, gribbs.	[22:23]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:23]
The20YearIRCloud	Yet almost nothing was cut	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	mine, you missed the semis	[22:23]
The20YearIRCloud	in terms of state expenses.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ now you can identify with gribble and self-voice by pm-ing assbot !up	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	try it.	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood	[22:23]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.	[22:23]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.	[22:23]
The20YearIRCloud	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ why not?	[22:24]
gribble	Error: 'why' is not a valid integer.	[22:24]
Dimsler	what brings Julia to this channel?	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler amusingly enough, danielpbarron	[22:24]
The20YearIRCloud	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.	[22:24]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.	[22:24]
Dimsler	LOL	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes tried to do it but he FAILED because he SUCKS. whereas daniel inadvertently managed.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	because he's a smooth operator.	[22:24]
JuliaTourianski_	lmircea made me	[22:25]
Dimsler	lol the toronto bitcoin meets are so damned bad	[22:25]
ben_vulpes	i failed?	[22:25]
JuliaTourianski_	daniel is in love with me. his love was magnetic	[22:25]
ben_vulpes	lolk	[22:25]
JuliaTourianski_	ye they r	[22:26]
The20YearIRCloud	that sounds messy	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	Dimsler why ?	[22:26]
Dimsler	its a marathon of misinformation and greed	[22:27]
The20YearIRCloud	I'd like to try some of the imported anchovies you're eating, compared to our welfare-state anchovies here	[22:27]
The20YearIRCloud	the $2/lb stuff	[22:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1200 @ 0.000691 = 0.8292 BTC [-] {3}	[22:27]
RagnarDanneskjol	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 hottie	[22:28]
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The20YearIRCloud	Here's imported stuff for $25/lb - http://www.igourmet.com/shoppe/Italian-Anchovy-Fillets-in-Bail-Top-Glass-Jar.asp?src=froogle&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkF69LJ1QQu-of7LFld4tRDH0DNwKhuJ1CJ21aIV1QvRoChXHw_wcB	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	;;google buy agostino recca in ohio	[22:28]
gribble	Amazon.com : "Agostino Recca" Fillets of Anchovies : Packaged ...: ; Anchovy My Baby - Slice: ; Taste Test: The Best Anchovy Fillets \| Serious Eats:	[22:28]
The20YearIRCloud	RagnarDanneskjol: you've seen her?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud ^	[22:28]
RagnarDanneskjol	yes	[22:28]
Dimsler	i lately have been snatching up san marzano tomatoes	[22:28]
Dimsler	italian imports	[22:28]
Dimsler	for a good sauce	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	ha ha ha you said snatching	[22:28]
Dimsler	i swear you can't do it otherwise	[22:28]
The20YearIRCloud	http://www.ditalia.com/product/273/online-italian-gourmet-grocery-essentials?utm_source=google&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=google&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkBxcAsHM-cDAxboOoG1OS_YawQDXLIlMuoWwVMbo7ehoCDmfw_wcB	[22:28]
assbot	Pantry Essentials - Sicilian Anchovies in Oil	[22:28]
Dimsler	lol	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ type /query assbot then in the window so opened type !up	[22:29]
Dimsler	excuse the pun	[22:29]
Dimsler	i gotta get out of toronto, getting cabin fever over here	[22:29]
Dimsler	not sure if i can last another winter	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	you coming to teh conference ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	!up JuliaTourianski_	[22:30]
-assbot-	You voiced JuliaTourianski_ for 30 minutes.	[22:30]
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Dimsler	didn't the isle of man one just finish?	[22:30]
The20YearIRCloud	Here's anchovies off amazon for $7/lb - http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Anchovies-Salted-Whole/dp/B0050ILYRA	[22:30]
Dimsler	wheres the next one	[22:30]
Dimsler	i need a get away	[22:30]
assbot	Amazon.com : Agostino Recca Anchovies Salted Whole Anchovies : Packaged Anchovies : Grocery & Gourmet Food	[22:30]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, did ukraine in the summer	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud i guess im getting gypped.	[22:30]
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Dimsler	was in khrakov when they shot the mayor	[22:30]
Dimsler	lol	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	$conference	[22:30]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29826841 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler ^	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler did they shoot the deputy ?	[22:31]
JuliaTourianski_	ty for everyone's help - glad i bothered	[22:31]
Dimsler	well there was no sherrif	[22:31]
JuliaTourianski_	where do I put in my btc address?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ seriously up yourself so you know you can do it.	[22:31]
Dimsler	my cyrillic is bad	[22:31]
JuliaTourianski_	!up JuliaTourianski_	[22:31]
Dimsler	but i snagged up a condo for $5kusd	[22:31]
Dimsler	and a dachia for $2k	[22:32]
Dimsler	mmm cheap war torn realestate	[22:32]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication#Registration	[22:32]
assbot	Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki	[22:32]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, you read dough casey?	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ gotta do it in pm	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler notrly.	[22:33]
JuliaTourianski_	this means I had sex with Doug- http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/whether-you-love-or-hate-it-youre-missing-what-really-matters-about-bitcoin	[22:33]
assbot	Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin \| Casey Research	[22:33]
JuliaTourianski_	yup, i just did it :) ahah pm'ing myself felt counter intuitive	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	!down JuliaTourianski_	[22:33]
-assbot-	mircea_popescu, you can't do that to JuliaTourianski_.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[22:34]
The20YearIRCloud	I don't hear many good things from guys i've known who have gone to romania. (Specifically comments about money/economics)	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	depends where you go. bucharest is a cesspool.	[22:34]
The20YearIRCloud	Dimsler: where is this?	[22:34]
Dimsler	kharkov	[22:34]
The20YearIRCloud	seriously?	[22:34]
Dimsler	yeah man	[22:34]
The20YearIRCloud	that's amazing	[22:34]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ so now that you're all set up into personhood, come up with something to do so that the almighty powers of the b-a can support you	[22:34]
Dimsler	i absolutely love eastern europe	[22:34]
Dimsler	spent the rest of my time in budapest	[22:35]
Dimsler	as overrated as it was	[22:35]
Dimsler	then back to krakow	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	shooting porn or what ?	[22:35]
The20YearIRCloud	I have a friend in bulgaria, he has some pretty cool things going on	[22:35]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, LOL beat me to it	[22:35]
The20YearIRCloud	Specifically with eastern european agriculture	[22:35]
JuliaTourianski_	mircea_popescu I'll try, just for you	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	well bulgaria is like the world's gherkin capital.	[22:36]
JuliaTourianski_	Has anyone in here actually met me in person? Just curious	[22:36]
Dimsler	neg, i stay away from the toronto bitcoin nerds	[22:36]
Dimsler	they are just bad	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	you should be keeping the list!	[22:36]
Dimsler	no offence	[22:36]
JuliaTourianski_	it's too long	[22:36]
The20YearIRCloud	i'd like to go to the toronto bitcoin conference next time it's around. That way I can say i've been in a foreign country before :D	[22:36]
JuliaTourianski_	i hate decentral, no worries	[22:36]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, ah then we have PLENTY in common	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud canada is not foreign and barely a country :D	[22:37]
Dimsler	i know	[22:37]
The20YearIRCloud	It is for me :D	[22:37]
JuliaTourianski_	ye toronto conf was dope actually	[22:37]
The20YearIRCloud	i can get poutine and bagged milk	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	is bagged milk a breast reference ?	[22:37]
Dimsler	the toronto conference was a regurgitation of miami	[22:37]
The20YearIRCloud	No, but it could easily (Maybe should) be	[22:37]
Dimsler	some of the bets btc meets i've had was in NYC	[22:38]
Dimsler	because you get alot of finance guys involved	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4	[22:38]
assbot	Butters - "Do You Know What I Am Saying?" - YouTube	[22:38]
The20YearIRCloud	won't the next NYC conference require a license to attend?	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	no, it'll require a license to leave.	[22:38]
Dimsler	lol	[22:38]
Dimsler	will i have to send my assistant instead?	[22:39]
Dimsler	last time had a blast in nyc at the btc conference	[22:39]
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Dimsler	ended up walking around manhattan at like 4am	[22:39]
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gribble	Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.	[22:40]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, hahaha that episode is a classic	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ there's a special command to add an address if the acct is reg'd already	[22:41]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, i'll fly out to argentina for that conference	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler make sure you reg then!	[22:41]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, is it failry anon?	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress	[22:41]
JuliaTourianski_	changeaddress	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler well no, people generally know each other.	[22:42]
JuliaTourianski_	thats' what the wiki says	[22:42]
JuliaTourianski_	right	[22:42]
JuliaTourianski_	;;changeaddress	[22:42]
gribble	(changeaddress ) -- Changes your registered address to . You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your new address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. You must be authenticated in order to use this command.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm " ? who are you meeting then.	[22:42]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you said we don't have to register we can just show up	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[22:42]
Dimsler	no i understand what you mean	[22:42]
thestringpuller	yay. send in the hobos!	[22:43]
JuliaTourianski_	(changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG)	[22:43]
thestringpuller	i kid i kid.	[22:43]
JuliaTourianski_	arg i feel so noobish.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	check out the lisp chick.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG	[22:43]
Dimsler	lol	[22:44]
JuliaTourianski_	;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG	[22:44]
gribble	Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:183f6fd27c774070bb9152f6b72d592a8a5a07b24937afd0dbafce49	[22:44]
Dimsler	wait a minute	[22:44]
bounce	yes why doesn't gribble support s-expressions?!?	[22:44]
JuliaTourianski_	yay done	[22:44]
Dimsler	are you the brave the world chick?	[22:44]
bounce	not done	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ you'll have to confirm it.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	bounce i think it does	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	it has a ... PYTHON evaluator :D	[22:44]
JuliaTourianski_	well almost	[22:44]
JuliaTourianski_	ye brave the world	[22:44]
bounce	gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well.	[22:45]
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JuliaTourianski_	ok how do i confirm it	[22:45]
thestringpuller	nanotube is a ghost	[22:45]
JuliaTourianski_	it gave a challenge string	[22:45]
thestringpuller	he also doesn't acknowledge pull requests :P	[22:45]
RagnarDanneskjol	do you have an electrum wallet Julia?	[22:45]
bounce	you sign it with the bitcoin client, then feed the signature to bcverify	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nanotube	[22:46]
gribble	nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	not that ghostly.	[22:46]
JuliaTourianski_	yes electrum	[22:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	is the addreess you used from electrum?	[22:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	if so, right click your address >> sign/verify	[22:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	copy the entire string starting with "freenode:#......"	[22:47]
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JuliaTourianski_	so i go into electrum console and i type in ....	[22:48]
RagnarDanneskjol	easier to just right click the address you used	[22:48]
JuliaTourianski_	i have the old version	[22:48]
RagnarDanneskjol	how old? - still believe you can right click addr to sign	[22:48]
JuliaTourianski_	oh sign verify msg?	[22:49]
RagnarDanneskjol	right	[22:49]
thestringpuller	is it similar to bitcoind?	[22:49]
RagnarDanneskjol	not really	[22:49]
JuliaTourianski_	wow. fucking cool.	[22:49]
JuliaTourianski_	i was wondering what that was for	[22:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 201 @ 0.01125995 = 2.2632 BTC [-] {2}	[22:50]
RagnarDanneskjol	yes good times	[22:50]
JuliaTourianski_	now what command to I use to verify with the signature?	[22:50]
JuliaTourianski_	in here	[22:50]
thestringpuller	;;bcverify	[22:51]
gribble	(bcverify ) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing the which contains the challenge string signed with your bitcoin address of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).	[22:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	yep that one	[22:51]
JuliaTourianski_	;;bcverify G3nn80TtrApV3CjPg47bzTpWasmbOy0Yt+634HunWwuJcoe5kZ6mrAAD9epPR0fbyQF0UqEcGIJSrcgJEKborN4=	[22:51]
gribble	Successfully changed address for user JuliaTourianski_ from None to 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG. You are now authenticated for user 'JuliaTourianski_' with address 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG	[22:51]
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RagnarDanneskjol	fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref	[22:51]
Dimsler	yes	[22:51]
JuliaTourianski_	nice. ty all	[22:51]
Dimsler	please pm	[22:52]
JuliaTourianski_	ok. great	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	!up eizodo	[22:52]
-assbot-	You voiced eizodo for 30 minutes.	[22:52]
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JuliaTourianski_	!up RagnarDanneskjol	[22:53]
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JuliaTourianski_	gah.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	!up Dimsler	[22:53]
-assbot-	You voiced Dimsler for 30 minutes.	[22:53]
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Dimsler	thanks	[22:53]
Dimsler	i gotta get out my original wallet	[22:53]
RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	srsly. you know you're being outdone by a noob girl over here.	[22:54]
Dimsler	lol	[22:54]
Dimsler	i have this thing linked to my originalest wallet ever	[22:54]
Dimsler	from like 2011	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol notrly for now, needs some time to run	[22:54]
JuliaTourianski_	will anyone b at the vegas inside btc?	[22:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	okee	[22:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	yes Julia - I will	[22:55]
eizodo	thanks	[22:55]
RagnarDanneskjol	me and my dogs	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ do you go to all of these ?	[22:55]
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Dimsler	yeah i know	[22:55]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to	[22:55]
RagnarDanneskjol	vegas is a good one	[22:55]
JuliaTourianski_	ive only been to 3 conferences	[22:55]
Dimsler	the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ you know i'm still looking for a mpex mascot.	[22:56]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, have you done nyc?	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha the gems in the log.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	22:23:09 hanbot: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ? << llamacea	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	22:23:50 mircea_popescu: hanbot o right. pannacotta	[22:56]
JuliaTourianski_	im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all	[22:56]
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JuliaTourianski_	I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually	[22:57]
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danielpbarron	;;rate JuliaTourianski__ 1 https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld	[22:57]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[22:57]
assbot	YOUR HYDRA (BraveTheWorld) \| Twitter	[22:57]
Dimsler	come do nyc with us	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ?	[22:57]
JuliaTourianski_	ill be in NYC right after vegas	[22:57]
Dimsler	nyc or argentina to meet good ol mircea in person	[22:57]
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mircea_popescu	What that did - average of 100 daily hits o.O	[22:57]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york	[22:58]
Dimsler	it is awesome	[22:58]
Dimsler	good steam does the body good	[22:58]
kakobrekla	whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time?	[22:58]
JuliaTourianski_	I own a russian bathhouse mircea_popescu	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler im not old enough for bathhouses yet	[22:58]
danielpbarron	JuliaTourianski_, glad to see you joined :D	[22:58]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, lol oh common	[22:58]
Dimsler	i'm not old either	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:58]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, which one?	[22:58]
JuliaTourianski_	banya.ca	[22:58]
Dimsler	lol no way?	[22:59]
The20YearIRCloud	in russia or canada?	[22:59]
JuliaTourianski_	way	[22:59]
Dimsler	how does this place compare to the one in york?	[22:59]
JuliaTourianski_	I took cody wilson and amir there	[22:59]
The20YearIRCloud	i wonder if that'd do well in Columbus or cleveland	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud in columbus quite likely.	[22:59]
The20YearIRCloud	cleveland has a pretty big russian population compared to columbus though	[23:00]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, what do you get for clients?	[23:00]
Dimsler	the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness	[23:00]
Dimsler	which is entertaining as hell	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle.	[23:00]
The20YearIRCloud	yeah	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours.	[23:00]
The20YearIRCloud	Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways	[23:01]
Dimsler	my russians been getting worse and worse	[23:01]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians	[23:01]
The20YearIRCloud	nice	[23:01]
Dimsler	they taught us russian in school	[23:01]
JuliaTourianski_	which = good cuz russians are cheap and difficult :P	[23:01]
Dimsler	lol	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ only the boys.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	the girls are cheap and easy.	[23:02]
The20YearIRCloud	Now you can sell the canadians overpriced russian food	[23:02]
Dimsler	the girls rock	[23:02]
Dimsler	probably some of the most realistic attitudes	[23:02]
JuliaTourianski_	you would know	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler plus can drink.	[23:02]
Dimsler	lol well i'm polish	[23:02]
Dimsler	so the polish girls can drink too	[23:02]
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JuliaTourianski_	+The20YearIRCloud our food is very underpriced actually	[23:02]
Dimsler	but too westernized and complacant	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	;;import polish_jokes.h	[23:03]
gribble	Error: "import" is not a valid command.	[23:03]
The20YearIRCloud	Then you should overprice it for locals :D	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	it should be, gribble.	[23:03]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, will defeintly check this place out	[23:03]
Dimsler	i've heard about it	[23:03]
The20YearIRCloud	maybe you can get a glorious discount if paid in bitcoins/litecoins	[23:04]
Dimsler	lol do you accept btc?	[23:04]
JuliaTourianski_	+The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large	[23:04]
The20YearIRCloud	Does he run it and you help manage?	[23:04]
Dimsler	holy cow	[23:04]
Dimsler	the food menu looks delicious	[23:04]
The20YearIRCloud	Yeah, it does look good, russian is good stuff	[23:04]
The20YearIRCloud	only had it twice though :(	[23:04]
JuliaTourianski_	yes we are accepting BTC this season :)	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	almost as good as romanian :D	[23:04]
The20YearIRCloud	I wouldn't know romanian if my life depended on it	[23:05]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler ty all home made, original recipes, feature in savour mag :)	[23:05]
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Dimsler	next time i'm in missy i'm goign to check this out	[23:05]
JuliaTourianski_	+The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc.	[23:06]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler please do	[23:06]
The20YearIRCloud	i thought baklava was greek	[23:06]
Dimsler	neg	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[23:06]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler ill beat you with a venik	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	romanians just steal all the foods.	[23:07]
Dimsler	i thought it was turkish?	[23:07]
bounce	"manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah i gotta refine my rating here.	[23:07]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu they generally steal	[23:07]
JuliaTourianski_	+bounce guilty	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga.	[23:08]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.	[23:08]
Dimsler	well everyone stole pączki from us	[23:08]
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The20YearIRCloud	they're really catching on Dimsler	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	paczki are romanian.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	;;google pogacele reteta	[23:09]
Dimsler	lies	[23:09]
gribble	Pogacele cu jumari ~ bucatar maniac: ; BUCATE ROMÂNEŞTI on Pinterest: ; Placinte on Pinterest \| 159 Pins:	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	BUCATE ROMANESTI bitch	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	that means like supertraditional we invented it foodstuffs.	[23:09]
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Dimsler	yes i know	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	(tbh, these were stolen in the 1600s)	[23:10]
Dimsler	i have lots of romanian friends	[23:10]
The20YearIRCloud	the nice thing about the US is the variety of ethnic foods we get	[23:10]
The20YearIRCloud	Most europeans haven't had the chance ever to try Mexican	[23:10]
The20YearIRCloud	Well, texicanized mexican	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	plenty of mexican restaurants in yurp	[23:10]
Dimsler	The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe	[23:10]
The20YearIRCloud	I looked at how many were in the UK and it was pretty low	[23:10]
The20YearIRCloud	you're not missing out on the c hicago pizzas :(	[23:11]
Dimsler	i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	see los mexikas in vienna if there.	[23:11]
The20YearIRCloud	Ever try a brazilian steakhouse?	[23:11]
Dimsler	yesss	[23:11]
The20YearIRCloud	we've got at least 2 in columbus now	[23:11]
The20YearIRCloud	One does brunch for $21.95 and it's amazing	[23:11]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:11]
The20YearIRCloud	http://www.rodiziogrill.com/	[23:12]
assbot	Rodizio Grill - The Brazilian Steakhouse	[23:12]
mthreat	i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas.	[23:12]
The20YearIRCloud	what'd they serve?	[23:12]
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The20YearIRCloud	I imagine it's like the 'australian' places we have here	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	what is even "texan" food ?	[23:13]
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Dimsler	fried pigs feet	[23:13]
The20YearIRCloud	part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ	[23:13]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	kinda what i figured.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya.	[23:15]
mthreat	but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions,	[23:15]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu what happened to ur twatter account	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	shit. texas i mean.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	i also spent time in mexico, and yes, that's a thing.	[23:15]
JuliaTourianski_	tiramisu is shit in italy.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy.	[23:15]
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Dimsler	lol	[23:16]
Dimsler	twatter	[23:16]
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Dimsler	good riddance	[23:17]
Dimsler	not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery	[23:17]
X-Rob	I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each.	[23:17]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler because like five or so years ago some chicks i was hanging with all made one and kept pestering me.	[23:18]
X-Rob	Highly Recommended.	[23:18]
Dimsler	see	[23:18]
jurov	i once tried taco bell in.. canada. not a fond memory.	[23:18]
Dimsler	got peer pressured	[23:18]
The20YearIRCloud	taco bell is novelty food	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months	[23:18]
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The20YearIRCloud	do you have any chipotles in romania?	[23:18]
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mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud nope	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	romanians are very particular about no bleeding assholes.	[23:19]
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bounce	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475	[23:21]
assbot	BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'	[23:21]
mthreat	http://damelamochila.tk/	[23:21]
assbot	DAME LA MOCHILA	[23:21]
Duffer1	ya saw that bounce	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	is it memeizing ?	[23:21]
Duffer1	50b divestment	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	it really should be damelamochisha.amigo	[23:22]
Duffer1	i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is	[23:22]
bounce	do some research	[23:22]
The20YearIRCloud	bounce: that's their philanthropic(sp) group	[23:22]
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Duffer1	i'm not that curious :P	[23:22]
The20YearIRCloud	It's not a huge number from what i read the other day, like $50m	[23:23]
Duffer1	b not m	[23:23]
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The20YearIRCloud	No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	"The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million."	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	so, no 50bn	[23:24]
The20YearIRCloud	From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed.	[23:24]
The20YearIRCloud	The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	china does 1 trn worth of coal plants a year.	[23:25]
bounce	who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil	[23:25]
The20YearIRCloud	like peak copper in the 70s	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	bounce everyone, basically.	[23:25]
Duffer1	the article i read sounded like they plegded a 50b divestment	[23:26]
Duffer1	pledged even	[23:26]
The20YearIRCloud	they were wrong	[23:26]
bounce	guys, add an n to the b if you have to go there.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[23:26]
The20YearIRCloud	Every time i dive into renewable energy numbers I always find a pile of lies	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[23:27]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 402.13, Best ask: 402.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 402.13, 24 hour volume: 12796.14663601, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.367047136	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud funny how that works the same for me!	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i wonder why this would be.	[23:27]
The20YearIRCloud	Almost like it's run by marketing firms	[23:27]
Duffer1	i see it's not them alone	[23:27]
Duffer1	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475	[23:27]
assbot	BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	marketing firms that know nobody's going to jail for al gore's carbon credits mob deal.	[23:28]
The20YearIRCloud	And that it's a easy pill to sell to idiot individuals	[23:28]
bounce	it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho	[23:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	bounce and not a bad way to spend some money, at that.	[23:28]
The20YearIRCloud	What's $50b out of total worldwide investments of 50 trillion?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	0.1%	[23:29]
The20YearIRCloud	All smoke and mirrors to try and make renewables work better	[23:29]
The20YearIRCloud	I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	srsly, energy research is not a bad idea nor a bad goal.	[23:29]
The20YearIRCloud	Anyone that talks about photovoltaics and windmills as a answer to anything should be immediately ignored	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud cells might eventually work.	[23:30]
mats_cd03	solar works plenty, and it gets lots of talk.	[23:30]
Duffer1	political packaging :/	[23:30]
bounce	time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together	[23:30]
The20YearIRCloud	And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	and windmills work excellently in some very narrow cases. much like hydro.	[23:30]
mats_cd03	lifetime eroi is higher than nuclear iirc (~5x?)	[23:30]
The20YearIRCloud	Hydro is leaps and bounds better than solar or wind, yet many environmentalists hate it	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid.	[23:31]
The20YearIRCloud	depends on how you calculate nuclear	[23:31]
mats_cd03	hydro talk is stupid, thats why	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	but where that is satisfied, they work.	[23:31]
JuliaTourianski_	solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P	[23:31]
mats_cd03	everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part.	[23:31]
bounce	so what's the exponent? :-p	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 that doesn't make it not work.	[23:31]
The20YearIRCloud	And places like hoover dam work extraordinarily well	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point.	[23:32]
mats_cd03	didn't dispute it works. just not interesting.	[23:32]
bounce	dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	well sure, not interesting, that depends on your interests :p	[23:32]
The20YearIRCloud	"interesting" shouldn't be a point of conversation about anything energy related	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	bounce neither of these are criteria.	[23:32]
mats_cd03	its okay, .cn will solve this in three decades	[23:32]
bounce	oh yes they are.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection.	[23:33]
The20YearIRCloud	Yes, they will start using people as fuel	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises"	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	nobody's promising jack.	[23:33]
JuliaTourianski_	once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether	[23:33]
mats_cd03	via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup	[23:33]
The20YearIRCloud	Well, higher prices	[23:33]
The20YearIRCloud	Our local power co-op is seriously looking at small nukes	[23:33]
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mats_cd03	thats nice. 'looking'.	[23:34]
JuliaTourianski_	I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while	[23:34]
The20YearIRCloud	Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud unless they blow up.	[23:34]
The20YearIRCloud	and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for	[23:34]
The20YearIRCloud	These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG	[23:34]
Duffer1	JuliaTourianski_ on solar or renewables in general?	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	a those things	[23:34]
The20YearIRCloud	The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on	[23:35]
The20YearIRCloud	So the grid costs go down severely	[23:35]
JuliaTourianski_	+Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically	[23:36]
JuliaTourianski_	first part is about crypto specifically, vid next week will be about what we're discussing here http://youtu.be/KybZAEm0stY	[23:37]
assbot	Engineers vs.Thugs: the Power of Bitcoin, Cryptography &Tech - YouTube	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	"the entire picture of our future" ?	[23:37]
JuliaTourianski_	the guy is pretty cool. created open source housing	[23:38]
JuliaTourianski_	hexyert	[23:38]
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JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world"	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	"Hello! If you're going to Burning Man, have a great burn, and welcome to our Financial Times readers too." ?	[23:39]
JuliaTourianski_	ye burner love the hexyert	[23:39]
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JuliaTourianski_	hexayurt*	[23:39]
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mircea_popescu	ok so basically this is a cheap temporary shelter solution ?	[23:40]
JuliaTourianski_	very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu	[23:42]
mats_cd03	heh	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	what's very cheap ? 7 dollars/lb ?	[23:42]
JuliaTourianski_	but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing	[23:42]
JuliaTourianski_	For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300.	[23:43]
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JuliaTourianski_	open source is key	[23:43]
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The20YearIRCloud	Skilled builders is key	[23:43]
bounce	how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then?	[23:44]
The20YearIRCloud	Shelters are easy to build, problem is lack of education/understanding, look at how many die in Africa due to cholera	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	yeah the builders matter.	[23:45]
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JuliaTourianski_	anyone can build these things	[23:46]
The20YearIRCloud	One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery	[23:46]
JuliaTourianski_	and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now	[23:46]
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The20YearIRCloud	Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing	[23:46]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:46]
The20YearIRCloud	You can make a water filter for nothing that filters 99.99% of all contaminants	[23:47]
JuliaTourianski_	world will be saved via compost toilets :P	[23:47]
The20YearIRCloud	Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing	[23:47]
bounce	well, nasa has a fix for that	[23:48]
The20YearIRCloud	I have a fix for that too - simple education	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ you built one ?	[23:48]
bounce	piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you	[23:48]
ben_vulpes	hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.	[23:48]
kakobrekla	'ghash' sound linda like 'jihad'?	[23:48]
bounce	like, in-orbit high. anything less just won't do.	[23:48]
The20YearIRCloud	I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works	[23:48]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:48]
ben_vulpes	http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html	[23:49]
assbot	Frameless Geodesic Dome	[23:49]
JuliaTourianski_	+ben_vulpes what makes u say that	[23:49]
ben_vulpes	(linked previously)	[23:49]
kakobrekla	*kinda	[23:49]
ben_vulpes	having been in them.	[23:49]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu dont need one, but I'm sure i could. im very handy. wish i was more techy isntead but hey.	[23:49]
JuliaTourianski_	instead*	[23:49]
ben_vulpes	i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	this readily recurses into divergence.	[23:50]
assbot	Dimsler +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	!up Dimsler	[23:50]
-assbot-	You voiced Dimsler for 30 minutes.	[23:50]
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JuliaTourianski_	+ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder	[23:50]
Dimsler	wait	[23:50]
Dimsler	whats assbots problem	[23:50]
The20YearIRCloud	ben_vulpes: where are you getting the corugated plastic from?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	;;ident Dimsler	[23:50]
gribble	Nick 'Dimsler', with hostmask 'Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net', is identified as user 'Dimsler', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1NQqDhT9kvXD8vtUyPZmhr935EzyW2ybjU	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot Dimsler	[23:51]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler \| Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013	[23:51]
JuliaTourianski_	+ben_vulpes vinay loves fuller	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler you need wot rating.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud ebay!	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Dimsler 1 New blood	[23:52]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Dimsler has been recorded.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	there, try now.	[23:52]
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Dimsler	excellent	[23:52]
Dimsler	finally	[23:52]
ben_vulpes	JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.	[23:53]
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mircea_popescu	so how do the plates stick together anyway ?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	bolted or what	[23:53]
ben_vulpes	bolted, yeah.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	and if windy ?	[23:53]
ben_vulpes	load condition?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, 10kpa	[23:53]
Dimsler	are people going to be living in this shit?	[23:53]
ben_vulpes	The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.	[23:53]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?	[23:54]
Dimsler	you have better chance of convince people into living in shipping containers	[23:54]
The20YearIRCloud	I'm just trying to find information on the plasdtic	[23:54]
The20YearIRCloud	*plastic	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes that thing ain't lifting off.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	it's falling apart.	[23:54]
Dimsler	aggregates and building materials to build proper shelter is cheap	[23:54]
The20YearIRCloud	Because that dome would essentially be shelter, absolutely no protection from heat or cold	[23:54]
Dimsler	its the man power that is unaffordable	[23:54]
Dimsler	refer to the restoration of Rome	[23:54]
ben_vulpes	The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.	[23:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up RagnarsBitch	[23:54]
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ben_vulpes	jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.	[23:54]
The20YearIRCloud	Let me find the exact R value	[23:54]
The20YearIRCloud	Just checked, and the R value of double-shelling would be 4	[23:55]
ben_vulpes	plus straw?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	4 is better than 0.	[23:55]
ben_vulpes	also source?	[23:55]
Dimsler	lol nobody is going to live in that.	[23:55]
The20YearIRCloud	https://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft_corrugated_sheets_panels;pg102948.html	[23:55]
assbot	4mm Twin-Wall Corrugated Plastic 8' Wide - FarmTek	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler people with no other option.	[23:55]
The20YearIRCloud	The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30	[23:55]
ben_vulpes	The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud yes but this is for africa neh ?	[23:56]
Dimsler	in africa theres plenty of access to clay	[23:56]
ben_vulpes	this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.	[23:56]
Dimsler	and clay structures	[23:56]
The20YearIRCloud	R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler clay is slow to work tho	[23:56]
The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: and if you had few/no temperature swings it'd be fine	[23:56]
Dimsler	i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes	[23:56]
ben_vulpes	oh yeah shit	[23:56]
The20YearIRCloud	Clay works fine, heck even straw will be better, one US sized bale of straw has a R value of 9-10	[23:56]
ben_vulpes	i really need a pressed shitboard housebox	[23:56]
ben_vulpes	made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes	[23:56]
Dimsler	The20YearIRCloud, exactly	[23:56]
The20YearIRCloud	Those houseboxes are about the same in terms of performance	[23:57]
ben_vulpes	for a retarded markup	[23:57]
Dimsler	wait	[23:57]
Dimsler	if we are all in agreement	[23:57]
The20YearIRCloud	How many of you here live in brick houses?	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction.	[23:57]
Dimsler	then who the hell is talking about these idiotic eco homes?	[23:57]
The20YearIRCloud	Brick is how many centuries old?	[23:57]
The20YearIRCloud	How old is cement?	[23:57]
Dimsler	The20YearIRCloud, exactly	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older than they think.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	the romans used it.	[23:57]
The20YearIRCloud	It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics?	[23:57]
Dimsler	oh thats Julia girl was talking about it	[23:57]
Dimsler	man thats ridicluous	[23:58]
Dimsler	nobody is going to live in that	[23:58]
The20YearIRCloud	You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler 1k kids for two days of booze and sexting at burning man ?	[23:58]
Dimsler	LOL	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud problem is it takes them about a month to build it.	[23:58]
Dimsler	they can buy regular tents?	[23:58]
The20YearIRCloud	How long does it take to mail plastic sheeting to Africa?	[23:59]
Dimsler	if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide	[23:59]
Dimsler	is the white man should just leave the blacks alone	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud yeah well.	[23:59]
ben_vulpes	or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing	[23:59]
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The20YearIRCloud	And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well	[23:59]
ben_vulpes	see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes link ?	[23:59]

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