Forum logs for 21 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform sometimes this situation evolves in interesting directions. e.g., monkeys steal a small subset of man's tech, and build a cargo-cultish airplane - but one which sorta flies when the weather is just so. [00:01]
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asciilifeform then, for one reason or another (monkey overruns man's city; or, more commonly, man begins to turn monkey-like in his haste and sloth and adopts monkey's approach to design) and the fair-weather airplane becomes the only kind extant. [00:02]
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mircea_popescu that may explain how we ended up with the current usg. [00:03]
mircea_popescu not a bad model of it at any rate. [00:04]
asciilifeform this is how we got these things that we call 'computer' even though i can't flip a switch that stops all cpus and shows me all the places 'quicksort' is mentioned on the machine and which ones got invoked in the last 7 days. [00:04]
asciilifeform and for how long [00:04]
mircea_popescu well top sorta-does that. [00:04]
asciilifeform nope. [00:04]
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decimation something like 'dtrace' is closer [00:05]
asciilifeform nope again. [00:05]
asciilifeform i don't mean a specially-instrumented crippled proggy running for the occasion [00:05]
decimation yeah I get your point [00:05]
mircea_popescu i sometimes wonder how computing would work if linux weren't built on "packages" as implemented, but on actual functions [00:05]
asciilifeform see, precisely my point - i say 'airplane' and -everybody- assumes i mean 'gadget that flies 2 metres above ground for ten minutes if wind is blowing east' [00:06]
decimation mircea_popescu: the kernel kinda works that way [00:06]
mircea_popescu i guess, but originally i got very pissed off at ubuntu becaus you can't make a non-networking ubuntu machine without rewriting it all, instead of simply uninstalling netowrking. [00:06]
asciilifeform on a proper computer, e.g., 'quicksort' or 'newton-raphson method' are distinct entities. and there are no 'programs' as such, only a graph of circuit linkages. [00:07]
mircea_popescu however, that's not the point. suppose i want my machine to always use bubblesort. everywhere [00:07]
mircea_popescu and i want to accomplish this by replacing quicksort.package with bubblesort.package [00:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on a lisp machine, you actually could. [00:07]
asciilifeform (merely redefine what 'sort' with no arguments does.) [00:07]
mircea_popescu maybe we make one sometime just for this reason. [00:07]
decimation asciilifeform: I agree that would be a great goal, but how do you handle types? [00:08]
asciilifeform decimation: handle them where? [00:08]
decimation well, let's say you wire (with 74hc say) a quicksort for 16 bit 2's complement signed integers [00:08]
decimation how do you re-use the quicksort for floats? [00:09]
asciilifeform decimation: if the order predicate is non-inferrable, it is given. [00:09]
asciilifeform just as in, for example, common lisp. [00:09]
asciilifeform and it appears you misunderstood 'circuit' [00:09]
asciilifeform wasn't talking about a hand-wired physical circuit [00:09]
asciilifeform but instead an entity which simulates the behaviour of one where possible (in much the same way a tcp/ip telephone attempts to behave like a traditional electric telephone.) [00:10]
mircea_popescu why emulate anything, ever. [00:11]
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asciilifeform the same way electronic calculator 'emulates' a stable of slaves counting with beads. [00:12]
asciilifeform sometimes, the simulation turns out to be a superior 'reality' and you throw the old 'reality' out. [00:12]
mircea_popescu maybe this is merely semanticism [00:13]
asciilifeform and then you say 'british admiralty's logarithmic human calculators were merely emulating this here computer, on account of lacking one' [00:13]
mircea_popescu i didn't like the "were possible" part. either always, in which case it's a calculator, or forget it. [00:13]
asciilifeform 'where possible' is answer to decimation's pointing out that you cannot, say, carry out multiplication on integers and 'ieee'-style floats on the same physical circuit with any degree of efficiency. [00:14]
decimation in which case each type combination would need its own machinery, or at least some method to convert between types [00:15]
asciilifeform or, for that matter, i cannot establish, for anywhere short of several $billion, an actual electric circuit from here to buenos aires [00:15]
asciilifeform so - stuck simulating one. [00:15]
asciilifeform usually - satisfactory. [00:15]
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decimation I see how one would want a 'habitable' lower-level simulation language to accomplish this work [00:17]
mircea_popescu i just suddenly realised i don't understand why floats were even implemented, at all. [00:18]
mircea_popescu why are floats even implemented ? [00:18]
decimation mircea_popescu: the bane of numerical analysis students? [00:18]
mircea_popescu it's a numeric machine. it only uses integers. [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the extreme computational poverty of the 20th c. [00:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it gotta be a meaningless accident huh [00:19]
decimation yeah there's no reason why the cpu shouldn't support arbitrary precision arithmetic, even if it takes a lower-level state machine to emulate [00:19]
decimation it's an example of ascii's fair-weather 10 foot altitude airplane [00:20]
mircea_popescu it is isnt it [00:20]
mircea_popescu back then people hadn't figured what the pc is, so they just bolted some capitalistic crap to the sides [00:21]
mircea_popescu just in case, who knows, maybe it's used in some case. [00:21]
decimation in theory silicon could be masked into any arbitrary design [00:21]
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decimation in practice the design space is restricted, just like all phones are iphones now [00:22]
asciilifeform why do we have floating point hardware instead of rational arithmetic towers? largely, because of code like this: [00:22]
asciilifeform [00:22]
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assbot [C] example of gcov - [00:23]
asciilifeform where we're really trying to simulate an analogue computer, for some gnarly physical model [00:23]
mircea_popescu this has been a very illuminating discussion [00:23]
asciilifeform but can't use an actual analogue circuit, because the output is non-deterministic or because noise ends up multiplicative due to the nature of the ops [00:23]
decimation yeah, multiplicative noise in analog computers is the bane of rf designers [00:24]
asciilifeform it's the reason the tech was abandoned [00:24]
asciilifeform despite working quite well - and cheaply - for many operations. [00:24]
decimation your car radio multiplies two waveforms with a few diodes and a filter circuit [00:24]
mircea_popescu why do we have floating point hardware instead of rational arithmetic towers? << but we don't. we have rational arithmetic towers pretending (unconvincingly) to be floating point hardware [00:25]
mircea_popescu and i'll venture a guess that more computer insecurity was caused by this than any other one thing [00:25]
asciilifeform 'rational' has literal mathematical meaning here [00:25]
asciilifeform as in, answers take the form one '1 / 2' rather than 0.500000 [00:25]
mircea_popescu quite. the ring of integers and + - [00:25]
asciilifeform yes. [00:25]
asciilifeform no extant cpu has a 'rational tower' in that sense. [00:26]
mircea_popescu all do! [00:26]
mircea_popescu what the fuck, all they do is bitwise addition [00:26]
asciilifeform ah in that sense - yes [00:26]
mircea_popescu well ? [00:26]
asciilifeform but in a 'rational tower', the output of 'sqrt(2)' is 'sqrt(2)'. [00:26]
mircea_popescu this is an os notation problem [00:26]
mircea_popescu in a computer the output of "abc" is "abc' rather than whatever windows may spit out with a bad charset or w/e [00:27]
asciilifeform not only notation. to know which operations are not rationally reducible, requires a fairly good symbolic maths apparatus (e.g., 'macsyma' and its plagiarized clones) [00:27]
asciilifeform not unsolvable problem by any means [00:28]
mircea_popescu it's a numeric machine tho [00:28]
decimation (which is really an irrational tower :) [00:28]
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asciilifeform but quite a bit of work on top of what extant machines do in bare silicon. [00:28]
decimation in theory, if maxima can do it in software, it could be done with automa at a lower level in silicon [00:29]
asciilifeform think this way. i take a cpu (your choice, which) and put '7' in a register, and '2' in another, and demand that division happen. [00:29]
mircea_popescu i suspect maxima only does it "in some cases" [00:29]
asciilifeform what is the answer represented? [00:29]
decimation depends on the cpu, but you aren't going to get '7/2' [00:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: symbolic maths packages traditionally err on the side of irreducibility [00:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can only put 00000007 and 00000002 in the registers, and the result will be 28571428 and an overflow bit. [00:30]
asciilifeform point here is that a 'rational tower' is one where no information is lost as a result of this operation. [00:30]
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asciilifeform this is an important definitional point. [00:31]
mircea_popescu that';s not a guarantee finite-register machines can make [00:31]
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mircea_popescu basically you're saying "take this thing from a compact representation to an infinite representation on a finite space without loss" [00:31]
asciilifeform it works so long as 'don't play' is a valid move. [00:31]
asciilifeform works until godelized, at any rate. [00:32]
mircea_popescu no, cause the no play is not a computer, it's a wife./ [00:32]
mircea_popescu computer can't have autonomy to decide if to play. [00:32]
asciilifeform 'no play' is SOP in physical reality. [00:32]
asciilifeform chuck some metal into a lathe, try cutting too deep. [00:32]
mircea_popescu which is why reality is a harsh mistress. [00:32]
decimation the new jersey method would be to return a buggy result and hope for the best? [00:33]
mircea_popescu decimation honestly, filling the register ain't buggy. [00:33]
asciilifeform decimation: halfway on the road to african method - sit in a tub of own shit and call it a 'computer' [00:33]
mircea_popescu "give me this cup full of 2/7" should result in a cupful [00:33]
decimation no, not buggy, but lossy [00:33]
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decimation but are 8 digits worth of 2/7 actually 2/7? [00:35]
asciilifeform student exercise. prove that the minimally-braindamaged implementation of hardware finite-precision floating point requires a base of 'e'. [00:35]
mircea_popescu decimation no, but they ARE 8 digits worth of 2/7 [00:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform unless you do trig. then it needs pi [00:35]
mircea_popescu not that it's not the same number. [00:35]
asciilifeform or use euler's identity... [00:36]
decimation yeah it seems to me that you need complex numbers [00:36]
decimation so base 'e' would be great for representing arbitrary complex phasors [00:37]
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decimation right, with euler's identity you could represent sin, cos, and pi without loss [00:52]
mircea_popescu were you away doing math for half hour ? [00:54]
asciilifeform herr euler did the math, why would he have to. [00:55]
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mircea_popescu just funny the way he came back later with it :p [00:56]
decimation I got sidetracked with herr knuth too [00:56]
decimation base e would also be convenient for logarithms [00:57]
mircea_popescu im surprised nobody came up with the don knuth is satoshi knack yet. [00:57]
danielpbarron !up BlueMeanie4 [01:05]
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BlueMeanie4 hey, just writing up some stuff on NXT @ reddit [01:06]
danielpbarron apparently one of my tweets that cites a trilema article was mentioned in some youtube video [01:09]
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mircea_popescu "Possibilitarian, #Cryptocurrency enthusiast & student of philosophy. I hope to make the world better than I found it. Bitcoin" [01:11]
BlueMeanie4 possibilitiarian [01:14]
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mircea_popescu how big is big ? [01:18]
fluffypony 38 on the richter scale [01:19]
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bounce useful trick: [01:22]
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mircea_popescu uh. scam. [01:24]
mircea_popescu there's 8 most important videos ? [01:24]
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jurov re: base e floats: they are a bitch to add or increase/decrease by 1 [01:27]
mircea_popescu so count in e's [01:28]
mircea_popescu pretend the world is a huge rave [01:29]
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decimation lol [01:30]
devthedev "If problems of the planet have an exponential growth, solutions need to have a higher exponential growth." [01:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "To be publicly critical of a project that is still so young and involves so many degrees of freedom reflects poorly on your own intelligence." [01:31]
mircea_popescu i definitely love going in old blogs comment sections to fish for these sorts of gems [01:31]
mircea_popescu "time will show you how wrong you were!!1" [01:31]
BlueMeanie4 polyannacoin [01:32]
mircea_popescu jurov always the negativist. think, the problem of splitting the pie! always a np problem! [01:32]
BlueMeanie4 the greatest new crypto coin in the world- not allowed to say anything negative [01:32]
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mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 wasn't a coin. [01:32]
mircea_popescu it was to be a whole bitcoin killer! [01:33]
mircea_popescu with pirates and boats and stuff [01:33]
jurov well then...better keep the pie intact [01:33]
jurov or, better, split it by cutting out circles [01:34]
mircea_popescu pi - e [01:36]
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penguirker New blog post: [01:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw you still hold solar panels cost more energy to make than they produce ? [01:45]
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mircea_popescu decimation wait, so the tesla bmc actually can't charge/discharge the cells individually [02:04]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha wut. [02:04]
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jurov did they claim to do it individually? [02:18]
jurov giving a power transistor to each cell? i see it's easier to match them [02:19]
mircea_popescu jurov well their claim was "the most advanced bmc in teh possibru!!1" [02:19]
mircea_popescu so i get to expect it does absolutely anything i can imagine. [02:20]
mircea_popescu that's the drawback to bullshit advertising talk [02:20]
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Namworld That is... an interesting read: [02:24]
assbot Introduction to the fourth dimension [02:24]
jurov hi Namworld, is it related to talk about women earlier today? [02:25]
Namworld What? Not aware of earlier talk. [02:25]
jurov some dude tried to teach mircea about women "they live in another dimension" [02:26]
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Namworld I guess that would be a fitting comment. But no, was merely finding that this site had 4 dimensions well explained. [02:28]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [02:37]
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ben_vulpes new p.o., thestringpuller [02:43]
ben_vulpes fourth fixed offering? [02:43]
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thestringpuller dunno which number but it happened a few days ago [02:47]
thestringpuller havelock investors are pretty irrational ~_~ [02:47]
ben_vulpes same as before .0075 [02:47]
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thestringpuller more like a nightmare really [02:50]
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mircea_popescu jurov lol dimensions [03:46]
mircea_popescu << guess who answered. [03:47]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc (5/3)**10 [04:26]
gribble 165.381716879 [04:26]
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miaoux midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [04:47]
miaoux midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [04:47]
mircea_popescu mike_c hey, you never made a banner for the analysis page ? [04:48]
mike_c i made one yesterday. it sucked, so i need to make another one. [04:48]
mircea_popescu aok [04:52]
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mike_c send complaints to btcalpha design department. they deserve it. [05:40]
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mircea_popescu ahahahah [05:42]
mircea_popescu it's so dumb it's cute [05:42]
mike_c campy [05:43]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ for a month ? [05:43]
* asciilifeform finally washed off the aluminum swarf and black oil. [05:43]
mircea_popescu mike_c [05:43]
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mike_c " If for some reason I do decide to use any of the existing graphic components, a quick search on Google for 'clipart of man holding clipboard' and 'blue wiggly line for no apparent reason' should suffice." lol [05:45]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu mike_c its on. [05:48]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu well it does have that stock market growth resembling line. [05:49]
asciilifeform [05:49]
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mike_c and a happy androgenous person! [05:49]
mike_c ascii: i now have your fingerprints on file and can hack ur iphone [05:50]
asciilifeform certainly. [05:50]
asciilifeform so does the dustman. [05:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform's iphone does things with the milkman ?! [05:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform da heck is that ? [05:51]
asciilifeform a small aluminum turd. [05:51]
mircea_popescu that i can see. but hwa'ts it to do ? [05:51]
mike_c thx kakobrekla [05:51]
kakobrekla ty. [05:52]
mircea_popescu thank you! [05:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not entirely complete mount bracket for this: [05:52]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [05:52]
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mircea_popescu aha! [05:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes is invited to laugh at my n00b m4ch1n1ng [05:53]
asciilifeform (along with any other genuine machinist around) [05:54]
mircea_popescu dude wtf tolerances are those, 10% resistence 20% inductance [05:54]
mircea_popescu how do they make this thing, in a hammer mill ? [05:54]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the actual impedance of a stepper almost never matters [05:55]
mircea_popescu no but as a general point [05:55]
asciilifeform stepper is an item that normally either works (turns D degrees per electric cycle) or does not (skips beat, because overloaded, underpowered, etc) [05:55]
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asciilifeform they are typically powered by a constant-current circuit, so even the rated voltage is not a critical value. [05:56]
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asciilifeform the critical values are: dimensional. (marked on linked picture.) [05:57]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you refrain from mocking me, humans can learn, etc etc etc [05:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: picked on you given as you're the only actual machinist i'm even distantly familiar with [05:59]
ben_vulpes kinda funny that your fingerprint's in focus but the millmarks not though [05:59]
* asciilifeform is also not a photographer [05:59]
ben_vulpes might want to break those edges [05:59]
asciilifeform mega-surprise [05:59]
asciilifeform yeah it's razor-sharp [05:59]
asciilifeform went at it with a fly-cutter first, but nearly destroyed both work and tool [06:00]
asciilifeform finished off with normal endmill. [06:00]
asciilifeform still screwing around trying to make the machine run true. [06:00]
ben_vulpes thing about machining and code is that a pro is always going to tell you a number of ways to make it look better without materially improving the thing [06:03]
asciilifeform less of a 'look better' concern, and more of a 'orthogonal planes actually need to be orthogonal damn it all to hell' concern. [06:03]
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ben_vulpes to within what tolerance, though? [06:04]
asciilifeform to fingers-and-eyes-aren't-screaming-you're-a-tard-to-all-comers tolerance... [06:05]
ben_vulpes not really an engineering criteria, that. [06:05]
asciilifeform to +/- 0.1 mm. [06:06]
ben_vulpes measuring orthogonality in mm? [06:06]
asciilifeform lol [06:06]
asciilifeform shape was meant to be a square cross section. [06:07]
asciilifeform so, equality of sides to 0.1mm. [06:07]
asciilifeform and ideally, 90 degree angles, to 1 degree or less. [06:07]
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ben_vulpes i'm guessing that only two sides really need to be orthogonal [06:09]
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ben_vulpes the face to which the thing bolts, and the face which bolts to the other thing [06:10]
ben_vulpes but i really have no idea. [06:10]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes guessed it. [06:11]
ben_vulpes in that situation you mill one face flat on top of your spacers or whatever they're called (i've forgotten), mill the opposite face parallel, clamp in a vise and then mill the remaining important face perpendicular to either of the two previous [06:13]
ben_vulpes well, a face, and then rotate 180 setting the piece down on the spacers again before clamping to get the machine to define your planes of perpendicularity. [06:14]
ben_vulpes not really articulating clearly, as i've been fabricating all day as well. [06:14]
ben_vulpes but i, spice racks, and with hand tools as this hovel has no machine shop. [06:14]
cazalla brock pierce on the keiser report [06:16]
assbot Keiser Report: Fear mongering from Scottish No voters (E656) - YouTube [06:16]
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decimation yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings [06:26]
decimation I'm not sure if the guy did a schematic, would be helpful [06:26]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: [07:20]
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ben_vulpes would never pass muster in any of the design or fabrication classes that i've taken, but i'll be surprised if it doesn't move from shack to shack for at least half a decade. [07:21]
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ben_vulpes mind you i had no hand in the actual design or most of the fab outside of the cutting of pieces to dimension (and the insisting upon of dimensioned pieces for cutting) [07:25]
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decimation lol "We urge President Obama to immediately and publicly recognize that Mr. Omar J. Gonzalez, an oppressed migrant, was merely looking for a better life when he entered the White House after going over the classist, divisive and needless fence." [07:28]
assbot reform White House access and grant Comprehensive Executive Amnesty & residency to migrant Omar J. Gonzalez & his family | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government [07:28]
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mats_cd03 was perusing logs, found this much amusement [07:48]
assbot Help bring peace with your money [07:48]
mats_cd03 re: sr gonzalez - imagine if he had a special vest on, rather than a knife. [07:50]
mats_cd03 would he have caught a bullet, or successfully delivered head to obama post-explosion? [07:51]
mats_cd03 i wonder what secret service sop is. [07:51]
mats_cd03 for those that don't know -- suicide vests tend to make head pop off, mostly intact, and land in the vicinity of explosion. [07:54]
mircea_popescu measuring orthogonality in mm? << [08:01]
mircea_popescu lol the many things asciilifeform is not [08:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: a 'sherline' is almost a hand-tool. [08:01]
mircea_popescu yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings << i have no idea what's so advanced about it, basically the whole car is powered offa one of those 4.5 volt things discussed here previously [08:02]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and the algorithm you described is precisely what i did. only gotcha is - the machine at present isn't running true. [08:02]
mircea_popescu but im curious wtf happens if one of the cells goes to shit and starts heating. turn off whole battery ? [08:03]
xmj moin [08:03]
asciilifeform how do you 'turn off' an internal short? [08:03]
mircea_popescu wire around the cell in question [08:04]
mircea_popescu ie, cut it off, let the rest work [08:04]
asciilifeform well it has those. [08:04]
mircea_popescu does it ? [08:04]
mircea_popescu from what i gather the controler is watch only [08:04]
asciilifeform mentioned in the captions. [08:04]
mircea_popescu charges/discharges all elements simultaneously [08:04]
mircea_popescu it has FUSES. but that's for electricity not heat. [08:05]
asciilifeform presumably the cells are meant to be spaced in such a way that one, if internal short, does not ignite neighbour. [08:05]
asciilifeform whether this was achieved, i cannot say from the picture [08:05]
* asciilifeform does not own this battery, has not watched it die [08:06]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 have some more [08:06]
assbot I am god - The Pub - Shroomery Message Board [08:06]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: delivered head << when i first learned the fact about heads, my thought was that there ought to be a 'head cannon' weapon [08:07]
asciilifeform explosive collar which launches user's head (wearing a 'pickelhaube' of course) at the enemy. [08:07]
asciilifeform fuses << if internal short in cell, fuse will blow (current flows in from neighbours) [08:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform suppose the cell merely overheats. [08:08]
asciilifeform overheat and internal short typically go together. [08:09]
asciilifeform in the 'heart/liver' way. [08:09]
mats_cd03 heh [08:09]
mircea_popescu engineering is engineering. [08:09]
ben_vulpes musk made some interesting claims about battery safety behavior in the presence of overheating during the Boeing fire saga. [08:10]
mircea_popescu quite. [08:10]
mircea_popescu none of them went "whatever, there's a fuse and glty" [08:10]
ben_vulpes overheating doesn't cascade in the T batts, but who knows if the thing stays online. [08:10]
asciilifeform the sheer amount of stereotypical 'fud' about this poor car - is atounding. [08:11]
ben_vulpes can't get a signal anywhere but b-a [08:11]
asciilifeform quite like the cigarette firms trying to have the electric aerosol smoking machines banned in usa. [08:11]
asciilifeform 'not proven safe111!11' [08:11]
mircea_popescu im not trying to get it banned! [08:11]
asciilifeform a number of traditional car firms - apparently are. [08:12]
asciilifeform why - no idea. [08:12]
asciilifeform aside from the grudgewank involving dealerships [08:12]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: only the ones who've not bought their own vaporiser company. [08:12]
asciilifeform (in usa, it is traditionally forbidden for car manufacturer to run dealerships, and tesla corp. is lobbying to have this repealed. dealers - not pleased.) [08:12]
ben_vulpes and didn't we already do the aerosol/vaporizing thing? [08:12]
ben_vulpes is it forbidden or just not practiced? [08:13]
ben_vulpes i was under the impression that it was the latter. [08:13]
asciilifeform in many states, formally banned [08:13]
ben_vulpes goodnes [08:13]
ben_vulpes apropos only of retarded usian laws, i'm looking into employee-ing up. [08:13]
ben_vulpes turns out, i'm liable for unemployment benefits if i fire someone for doing a poor job. [08:14]
ben_vulpes at will my arse. [08:14]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: surely you meant - 'down' ? [08:14]
mircea_popescu hehe [08:14]
asciilifeform to go below whatever threshold [08:14]
mircea_popescu the us is a horrid place to hire. [08:14]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "lawyer up" [08:15]
asciilifeform or to be hired [08:15]
asciilifeform aha [08:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just what is it a 'good place' to do? not even - to die. (ever see what even a pauper's burial costs here?) [08:15]
mats_cd03 join .mil, free funeral. [08:16]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: laugh, but this is actually one of the attractions. [08:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a great place to pretend. [08:16]
asciilifeform some people, for instance, sign up just to get their teeth done. [08:16]
mircea_popescu dank's ideal home is the us. [08:17]
mats_cd03 im not laughing. i served, once, in usg war machine. [08:17]
ben_vulpes anyways, there's "art" and cute undercontracted ladies parading around tonight. adieu! [08:17]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: but didn't stay to collect free funeral, apparently [08:18]
mircea_popescu scam. [08:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: anyone can pretend - even in antarctica. but if you mean, that audience will believe - sure. but what good does it do - if audience is broke. [08:19]
mats_cd03 its only free if you are kia iirc. otherwise, its... 700usd? lol. [08:19]
asciilifeform 700 is serious money for a dead man. [08:20]
mircea_popescu holy shit ebaumsworld still exists [08:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that you feel the love and understanding of a bunch of similar mouthbreathers ? [08:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'On January 31, 2009, Bauman reported that ZVUE fired him and the rest of the staff and replaced them with a new team. Furthermore, Bauman claimed ZVUE are falsely using his name in connection with new material, making it look as if Bauman is still employed...' (pediwikia) [08:21]
mircea_popescu right. [08:21]
mircea_popescu hence my wow. [08:21]
asciilifeform even 'yahoo' still exists. [08:21]
asciilifeform hell, ibm exists. [08:21]
asciilifeform no one saw it fit to drive a stake through their hearts quite yet. [08:21]
mircea_popescu ibm actually has a nice building down here. my lawyer rents a floor from them [08:21]
mircea_popescu heck, brother has an outlet store here [08:22]
mircea_popescu i tell you it's like time trippin. [08:22]
asciilifeform what do they offer? system/360 ? [08:22]
mircea_popescu printers and bad fax machines [08:23]
asciilifeform aha rebranded chicom turds. [08:23]
asciilifeform should've known. [08:23]
mircea_popescu wait you meant ibm or brother ? [08:24]
asciilifeform ibm [08:24]
mircea_popescu ah, as far as i know real estate [08:24]
asciilifeform (does not, afaik, make printers or faxes and hasn't for ~25 yrs) [08:24]
* asciilifeform read 'ibm outlet' [08:24]
mircea_popescu [08:25]
assbot IBM Building in Buenos Aires - Architecture of the World - WikiArquitectura [08:25]
mircea_popescu that thing. looks as derpy as you'd expect [08:25]
asciilifeform woah. [08:25]
asciilifeform hut-on-chickenlegs [08:26]
mircea_popescu lol [08:26]
mircea_popescu no witch, i checked. [08:26]
decimation i bet they will sell you a power5 turd too [08:27]
asciilifeform perhaps BingoBoingo should knock and see when he's in town [08:27]
decimation they probably are in the business of trying to scam the ar gov't [08:28]
mats_cd03 that looks ugly and expensive [08:31]
* asciilifeform can only explain ibm in argentina one way - they hope the nazis will come out of cryostasis there, and like up to buy gasenwagenkalkulators [08:32]
asciilifeform *line up [08:32]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure they're just managing real estate left over from the 80s [08:33]
mircea_popescu which they can't sell because well, argentina. [08:34]
decimation here is another ugly building in washington, dc [08:34]
assbot Intelsat headquarters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [08:34]
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asciilifeform decimation: nothing beats the fbi headquarters for pure ugly in d.c. [08:34]
decimation asciilifeform: heh yeah, looks like gulag [08:35]
asciilifeform,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW [08:35]
assbot Ministry of Love - Imgur [08:35]
asciilifeform ^ my pics [08:35]
decimation I thought they were going to get rid of that [08:35]
asciilifeform turned out that planned new location already has a cia gulag in the cellar. [08:36]
asciilifeform which doesn't want to relocate. [08:36]
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asciilifeform when you walk by the j.e.hoover bldg, overwhelming sensation that its 'lid' (upper part of photo) is closing in on you [08:37]
asciilifeform like gigantic press. [08:37]
decimation [08:38]
assbot List narrows for future FBI headquarters: Greenbelt, Landover or Springfield - The Washington Post [08:38]
asciilifeform the moat (yes, moat) has tiles, like a public toilet. and hose spigots (wash blood away, nice) [08:38]
decimation all of those potential relocation sites are shitholes [08:39]
decimation but they got 11,000 'federal jobs' so everyone wants [08:39]
decimation I wonder how those fbi employees feel about being seen as meat for consumption by the local political elite [08:40]
decimation as I recall the fbi headquarters is a block away from the theater where lincoln was murdered [08:41]
asciilifeform so is chinatown, where i often go and eat 'chicken' [08:42]
decimation "A list compiled by and Reuters declared the J. Edgar Hoover Building the world's ugliest building, and found it to be a "dreary 1970s behemoth".[60] Los Angeles Times travel writer Christopher Reynolds remarked that the Hoover building is "so ugly, local historians say, that it scared authorities into setting higher standards for pedestrian friendliness among buildings [08:42]
decimation along [Pennsylvania Avenue]".[61]" [08:42]
assbot J. Edgar Hoover Building - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [08:42]
asciilifeform when i walk by that thing, hard to escape the feeling that my 'ratfacecage' is waiting there, in the cellars somewhere. [08:43]
decimation asciilifeform: you could eat at 'chopt' like yglesias: [08:44]
assbot Cobbs at Chopt: Why does the salad chain call so many different things a "cobb"? [08:44]
decimation asciilifeform: did you ever show up at the dc 'maker space'? [08:46]
asciilifeform 'hack-dc' club ? [08:46]
asciilifeform went a dozen or so times, some years ago. snore. [08:47]
decimation yeah, I wondered if it was worthwhile [08:47]
decimation it seems the hype for those things outstrips the actual usefulness - usefulness defined as meeting actual people working on interesting ideas [08:48]
asciilifeform afaik these started out as banal 'communal workshop' arrangements [08:48]
asciilifeform pool money, buy costly machinery [08:48]
Belsage ben_vulpes bettycla1p bgp bgupta BigBitz bitspill Blazedout419 bounce brayden [08:49]
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mircea_popescu good morning asseteers [17:43]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu you would get a kick out of gamersgate [17:44]
thestringpuller lol [17:44]
thestringpuller What it boils down to is many people feeling upset that the video game space has been so heavily politicized with a left-leaning, feminist-driven slant," he said. [17:45]
thestringpuller He could be you! [17:45]
thestringpuller lolol [17:45]
mircea_popescu maybe. who's he ? [17:45]
thestringpuller Erik Kain of Forbes. [17:45]
mircea_popescu no, he couldn't be me. [17:46]
mircea_popescu i could be him, if i ever deign to write for forbes, which seems unlikely unless i buy it and then it'll be Popescu [17:47]
thestringpuller Popescu Magazine [17:47]
thestringpuller That's catchy [17:47]
thestringpuller I'm certain you'd sue someone who steals that idea... [17:47]
mircea_popescu nope [17:48]
mircea_popescu da fuck do i care [17:48]
thestringpuller it's just funny to me that even "gamers" are sick of the feminist... [17:48]
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mircea_popescu im kinda surprised they noticed and even care. [17:49]
chetty lmao [17:49]
mircea_popescu who gives a shit what a bunch of libtards say, seriously. [17:49]
mircea_popescu this is like junior high courtyard bs. the girls get upset that the boys ignore them so they complain. which the boys ignore, because the girls stink and are stupid and who wants to be involved with one. [17:50]
mircea_popescu so the girls build their girlclub to support each other through puberty and dream of one day being married. [17:51]
chetty well if girls got actual armor they might play more :P [17:52]
mircea_popescu lol [17:52]
mircea_popescu thoroughly debunked argument tho. [17:53]
mircea_popescu boys buy into naked spiderman just fine. [17:54]
* chetty is totally sick and tired of the girls vs. boys crap [17:55]
thestringpuller wow I haven't read maddox in years [17:55]
thestringpuller 1997? [17:55]
thestringpuller wow [17:55]
bounce here, take a happy pill [17:55]
bounce amazing how formulaic comics are. just like hollywood. [17:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:56]
mircea_popescu chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ? [17:56]
bounce (says me, having studiously avoided both for the last couple of years, as much as possible anyway) [17:56]
mircea_popescu bounce now why'd that be amazing. it's supposed to be cheap and replicable. [17:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:56]
mircea_popescu then they bitch about how it's being replicated. [17:57]
mircea_popescu a particular pathology. [17:57]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is chetty a robot? [17:57]
bounce a series isn't a series without a reboot or two, apparently. [17:57]
thestringpuller i'm almost certain hanbot is a partial robot though you say she is human ~_~ [17:57]
mircea_popescu what do you mean, "is chetty a robot" ?! [17:57]
mircea_popescu lol you're nuts. [17:58]
mircea_popescu and possibly a robot :D [17:58]
* bounce doesn't really want to know but can't help but wonder what the top reboot count is, and which series. [17:58]
thestringpuller people tell me that I'm crazy a lot! [17:58]
thestringpuller Wild card. [17:58]
thestringpuller and cookies [17:58]
xmj thestringpuller: interesting question [17:59]
mircea_popescu bounce well to be honest (and i've unstudiously avoided both for two decades or more), they're all the same one thing, and so the classics have been badly reimplemented by the us pulp industry many times, and they keep rebooting it [17:59]
mircea_popescu because it dun work. [17:59]
xmj thestringpuller: do the people from the other gender you attract mostly exhibit craziness? [17:59]
mircea_popescu but hey, why should it even work, when you got a whole reboot process. [17:59]
thestringpuller xmj: yessir! we're fucking radicals! like odd future [18:00]
xmj thestringpuller: then you're legit crazy [18:00]
xmj same thing here. [18:00]
mircea_popescu wait, you got a girlfriend ?! [18:00]
thestringpuller who me? [18:00]
mircea_popescu well either as it works out lol [18:00]
xmj well [18:00]
xmj if you mostly pull crazy women [18:00]
xmj you're crazy yourself. law of attraction, like attracts like, all that [18:01]
xmj "Opposites attract" is a lie. [18:01]
bounce no real reason why really. donald duck dun' need no steenkin' reboots, and has been around since what, 1934 [18:01]
bounce [18:01]
chetty chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?// you mean libtards? I dun have to be in it to be sick of it [18:01]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea. She's a lurker for sure. [18:01]
mircea_popescu chetty no i mean teenagers and young adults. [18:01]
mircea_popescu bounce a surprisingly good objection actually! [18:02]
mircea_popescu <<< asciilifeform dunno if that's naggum or not, but i gotta say that'd be the prototype for the romanian "fata de-mpins vagoane", ie, railcart pushing face [18:03]
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bounce could have to do with the demographic, where teen memory is slightly longer than pre-teen memory so they (feel they) need regular reboots to capture the demographic or something. could also have to do with the writers not being on a short enough leash. dunno really. [18:05]
* bounce is sure there's a libarts dissertation or two in there somewhere [18:06]
mircea_popescu my money is on the latter really. [18:07]
mircea_popescu donald is one of the very few well managed franchises. [18:07]
bounce to the point that as soon as the mouse threatens to go out of copyright, copyright gets extended [18:08]
bounce but yeah [18:08]
xmj bounce: define reboot ? [18:08]
mircea_popescu at the cost of killing the whole copyright notion altogether. [18:08]
bounce eventually [18:08]
mircea_popescu people have this constant naive approach, a pipe breaks ? push your palm on it. [18:08]
mircea_popescu yeah dude, im sure your magical palm will relieve pressure out of a badly designed, failing apparatus. [18:09]
mircea_popescu it definitely won't blow somewhere else [18:09]
mircea_popescu magical palms!!1 [18:09]
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thestringpuller so much money in licensing though [18:14]
thestringpuller why make the movie yourself when someone will pay you to make it for you [18:14]
mircea_popescu because they'll make it shitty. [18:14]
thestringpuller what if you don't care about that and just the money? [18:15]
mircea_popescu why fuck your own wife when someone will pay to fuck her for you, for that matter. [18:15]
thestringpuller there is a movie about that. [18:15]
mircea_popescu maybe because you don't wanna sleep in the bed where all the random bacteria off random cocks collect and pool. [18:15]
thestringpuller i think the end they made a business on letting his wife get fucked by millionaires but I'm fuzzy [18:15]
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thestringpuller i understand your notion tho :P [18:16]
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mircea_popescu "He ran in to some very serious problems that poisoned his existence for many years, and made him lose faith in humans. These problems (I won’t go into details, let sleeping dogs lie) would have agonized anyone, but most people would, in time, have come to terms with life’s injustice and cruelty." << asciilifeform what, was the guy in jail or something ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu tho i guess it actually sounds more like a messy divorce, with a child involved. did he have kids ? [18:18]
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mircea_popescu oh teh norvegian revenue service. heh. fucktards. [18:28]
mircea_popescu if turing is a good (and in fact the only) good reason to dismantle the statally organised repression of gayness [18:29]
mircea_popescu i'll readily contend that naggum is a sufficient, if by no means the only good reason to dismantle any statal revenue service. [18:29]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [18:32]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 406.22, Best ask: 407.7, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 407.71, 24 hour volume: 16000.89203884, 24 hour low: 395.28, 24 hour high: 431.11, 24 hour vwap: 410.987475641 [18:32]
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TheNewDeal Catching up on the logs. nubbins`, want to try your hand at a Kent State shirt ? [18:47]
assbot Urban Outfitters Kent State Sweatshirt Stirs Anger : [18:47]
mircea_popescu < not a bad read this. [18:49]
assbot Herd Thither, Me Hither (revised) [18:49]
mircea_popescu "In those days, nobody bought Macintoshes. But strangely, our office was besieged by people wanting us to demonstrate the Macintosh and its nifty features. [18:49]
mircea_popescu Would these people buy a Macintosh? No. But they would take up a lot of our time asking “What is the benefit of Mac? Why is it superior to Windows? Explain why we should I buy one for each employee.” And no matter how interested they seemed, and no matter what we said or did, they would weigh their options… and then buy a Windows computer." [18:49]
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mircea_popescu "What they really meant was, Nobody ever got fired for buying a Windows Box." [19:00]
mircea_popescu fuck that. i'll fire you for being bland. [19:00]
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mircea_popescu this is what the idiotic us puritan obsession with propriety has gotten. this. it's a scourge upon humanity and a shameful macula of untold disgrace. [19:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << naggum & the tax men [19:02]
mircea_popescu there's nothing more shameful than being a good usian. [19:02]
assbot Re: Dead software (was: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors) - Naggum cll archive [19:02]
* chetty is glad you put the 'good' modifier in there [19:03]
mircea_popescu hey, nobody's fault they were born among imbeciles. [19:03]
mircea_popescu but it starts looking badly if they somehow manage to stay. [19:03]
mircea_popescu "They weren’t interested in finding out whether Macintosh would be useful for them: They were interested in being able to say to the world that they have an open mind and researched all the possibilities, but somehow, somehow, they finished up back where they started, using the same damn thing that everyone else is using." [19:04]
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mircea_popescu didja do your homework ? yessir. didja learn anything ? o, no, i wouldn't do that! [19:04]
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asciilifeform '...the Norwegian government, which for a few years decided to tax me based on what I should have been _able_ to earn, and therefore _probably_ earned without reporting to them, so I should pay taxes on it, plus penalties for lying to them...' [19:06]
asciilifeform (whole thing worth reading) [19:06]
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mircea_popescu heh. [19:06]
mircea_popescu "You can’t simply ask someone if they have no intention of buying a Macintosh. Everybody lies, especially to salespeople." << the funny thing in there is, people generally despise SALESMEN for being lying scumbags. but, in fact, people lie to them as an article of faith, and in sheer volume necessarily exceed anything the salesman could push out. [19:08]
mircea_popescu same thing with cops. people don't like the psychopatholgy of policemen, but then again the same "people" are lying and trying to beat down the cop two dozen times a day [19:09]
mircea_popescu not the sorts of jobs one can do and remain in possession of his wits. [19:09]
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mircea_popescu So the easy question to ask is this: “Are you trying to figure out whether to change? Or trying to figure out which change to make?” << good point. first category needs to hire a manager, not talk to salesmen. [19:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform course, that's his off the cuff interpretation of what happened. [19:20]
asciilifeform there's more detail in other posts, i think. [19:20]
mircea_popescu i have little faith the man was actually apt to follow the legal intricacies, which altogether require a different mind than one which wilfully chose lisp over say basic. [19:20]
mircea_popescu quite opposite, in fact, i would suspect. [19:21]
mircea_popescu the cleanest way to represent the legal tradition, as well as the legal implementation of that tradition in any extant sovereign of the fiat, geographical, obsolete kind, [19:21]
asciilifeform afaik he was actually an amateur scholar of law (in own country and elsewhere.) [19:21]
mircea_popescu is to think of a basic program of equal length. [19:21]
mircea_popescu ah. [19:21]
mircea_popescu well, amateur in the "this is what i think the law should be" school of amateurship, or amateur in the "trying to figure out what this thing is" school of amateurship ? [19:22]
asciilifeform what is. [19:22]
mircea_popescu well then dunno. [19:22]
asciilifeform here's what i recall (any other delvers in naggum archive, feel free to correct) [19:22]
asciilifeform at one point he figured out that, given taxation law in No, his standard of living would not much change if he cut his consulting to 2-3 months of a year. [19:23]
asciilifeform and so he did. [19:23]
asciilifeform (seems like norway has, or at least had at the time, a confiscatory tax scheme where you lose essentially 100 percent after a certain point.) [19:24]
mircea_popescu still has, afaik. [19:24]
mircea_popescu their deal is, "we have all this oil, we will spend the proceeds on welfare, in exchange we also take everyone's money" [19:24]
chetty if you actually figured out all your tax in us wouldnt be much diff [19:25]
mircea_popescu so you know, most people making a buck and getting by this scheme a buck fiddy are happy with it, [19:25]
mircea_popescu the politico leeches sucking that fiddy cents for nothing are trilled [19:25]
mircea_popescu and so... [19:25]
asciilifeform chetty: the us is quite the same, except that here they add insult to injury by letting the fattest kulaks escape all taxation rather easily [19:26]
chetty usa is a reverse robinhood [19:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, the us is a different system. it doesn't have mega natural wealth to prop itself, so it works as a "buffettlying to prevent the children of the middleclass pushing him out" system [19:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but anyway, you were saying. [19:27]
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asciilifeform chetty: likewise, there are many unofficial collectors of 'tax' here (which is to say, not actual tax, but other unavoidable wealth extraction like rent that conveniently zaps every penny of your surplus) [19:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, precisely that buffett thread [19:28]
chetty well thats kinda what I meant about counting ALL the tax. The property 'owner' pays tax and passes it along in your 'rent' amount and so forth [19:29]
Duffer1 police tax [19:29]
asciilifeform so naggum was dragged into the courts, eventually escaped with his life but not particularly much money [19:29]
Duffer1 driving 1mph over limit that's a taxin [19:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and didn't forthwith set sail for argentina because ... [19:29]
Duffer1 i got a 175$ ticket for failing to come to a complete stop before exiting a driveway once [19:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that part i understand. [19:30]
asciilifeform probably same reason i haven't. [19:30]
xmj Duffer1: Friday I paid a ticket for 1km/h too much. [19:30]
* mircea_popescu is rather naive in the ways of the world. [19:30]
xmj Duffer1: CHF 40,00 [19:30]
xmj :) [19:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ? [19:30]
mircea_popescu dude, they didn't have the internet in the 1990s ? [19:30]
Duffer1 lol xmj [19:31]
mircea_popescu i seem to remember despising *something* at that time [19:31]
mircea_popescu pretty sure it was the superhighway something or the other [19:31]
kakobrekla asciilifeform you current job/s require physical presence? [19:32]
asciilifeform at that time, naggum was sitting in standards groups and eventually became indirectly responsible for the atrocity of 'xml' (he authored the 'sgml' standard, its grandparent) [19:32]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: yes. [19:32]
kakobrekla aww. [19:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform what are you, an escort ?! [19:33]
chetty hmm most of the standards groups at that time met on phone ... [19:33]
mircea_popescu ^ [19:33]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: traditionally, even 'tele-'whatever work in usa requires at least an occasional physical visit, simply to make sure you haven't republikfluchted, apparently [19:33]
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mircea_popescu no fucking body traveled to sit on a rfc comission unless they really wanted to visit a gf or something [19:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hire actors. [19:33]
asciilifeform lol [19:34]
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jurov hire doppelganger, walk out [19:34]
chetty there was that guy recently, worked for the epa I think, claimed he was also cia and just took off for months whenever he wanted [19:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what the fuck are you doing working without a company anyway, and why is it not registered in gibraltar or w/e the fuck they do [19:34]
mircea_popescu what sort of legal amateurship is this! [19:34]
kakobrekla and you cant sell your skills, which we all know are plentiful, outside usa ? hard to believe. [19:35]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no because argentina consists of pampas cats [19:35]
kakobrekla :( [19:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one of my jobs is indeed a company i co-own - but the only customer is usg, and the office is required to be within a few km of a particular institute. [19:35]
mircea_popescu and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme [19:35]
mircea_popescu and what's more, the argentine govt doesn't have like 5 bn in usd cash, nor does it have a horrid starvation of talent. [19:35]
* asciilifeform did 6 yrs. of spanish, reads, e.g., marquez, just fine. [19:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so ? hire ms boring to sit in that office and split [19:36]
asciilifeform brb, teatime [19:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and what the fuck are you doing owning companies in own name anyway [19:36]
mircea_popescu recurse for crying out loud [19:37]
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mircea_popescu in short : ditch this mentality where the other party matters, in any sense, and make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt. [19:37]
mircea_popescu it's called business, what the fuck. [19:37]
mircea_popescu it's not marriage, it's not a love affair. it's an exercise in destroying everything whatsoever and mocking the rest. [19:38]
mircea_popescu business partners with the usg, god help us. what will fiction produce next, the harem of wolves, flying to the moon on own farts, mind boggles. [19:40]
mircea_popescu hire doppelganger, walk out << incidentally, you know they did this in the times of the good soldier svjek ? [19:42]
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jurov no? [19:42]
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mircea_popescu o yeah. you were simply required to not alter the headcount. [19:42]
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mircea_popescu generally everyone produced a replacement for military service [19:43]
mircea_popescu and if needed, prison. [19:43]
mircea_popescu just as long as you had someone to serve for you, all is well. [19:43]
mircea_popescu "I wish people would get more interested in _knowing_ the world they want to change. I can't keep lecturing obnoxious morons forever just because they have these wild-eyed desires that they think can be accomodated if they start a revolution or something." [19:44]
mircea_popescu ha! epic. [19:44]
mircea_popescu "here's a lithmus test on "good ideas": if it were applied to you, would you still think it's a good idea? in other words: if you can't imagine yourself as the vendor, maybe it's time to drop the good idea stuff, too?" [19:46]
mircea_popescu booyaa [19:46]
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mircea_popescu since we're talking security, as in, false subjective sense of, here's an excellent read on the topic :L [20:03]
assbot Why You Need A Degree To Work For BigCo [20:03]
mircea_popescu it's mindblowing just how clever, on the point and far seeing reginald braithwaite is, while at the same time how idiotically fixated on "equality" and "empathy" and all the rest of that pointless drivel. [20:04]
mircea_popescu rarely has the imbecile/genius duality been more pointedly on display. [20:04]
mircea_popescu not that he's that much of a genius, or that much of an imbecile. but then again, to display dynamic equilibrium you aren't particularly better served by a VERY LONG lever. [20:05]
mircea_popescu much more instructive is a lever of reasonable length that sits put on its support a long time. [20:06]
* asciilifeform drank tea [20:06]
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asciilifeform make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt >> try being a pauper in the Big Zone some time... [20:07]
mircea_popescu you know... i wasn't born rich. [20:07]
asciilifeform hire doppelganger >> try this with people who worked in same room with you for years. [20:07]
mircea_popescu it will work. call him your legal representative, or w/e. [20:08]
mircea_popescu they'll get used to it. [20:08]
mircea_popescu people often thought mpoe-pr is me, or male, or so forth. [20:08]
mircea_popescu people wish to believe. [20:08]
TheNewDeal I thought so [20:09]
asciilifeform legal representative will point out errors in ancient fortran code, or resolder a loose component? [20:09]
TheNewDeal it just sounds like you're writing [20:09]
asciilifeform then where would i come in asking for pay, after that. [20:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. but to be present. [20:09]
mircea_popescu errors will be communicated on the next pass. [20:09]
mircea_popescu and i doubt what you do for a living is solder jobs. [20:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: know the 'which screw' joke ? [20:09]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal that is merely good discipline on the part of the actor in question. [20:10]
asciilifeform << quoted here [20:10]
assbot Knowing which screw to turn [20:10]
asciilifeform ancient tale [20:10]
mircea_popescu i do, but you're really arguing a lot on a very narrow square inch of footing. [20:10]
mircea_popescu i don't care how deeply anchored in the core of the world it may be. it's a square inch and it's getting flattened. [20:10]
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kakobrekla you know... i wasn't born rich. < [20:11]
assbot TubeChop - Life Stinks 1991) (00:10) [20:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla hahaha, but no. [20:12]
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mircea_popescu at the time i was a 16yo with his own driver, my father earned an impressing $680 a year. [20:12]
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* asciilifeform agrees in principle with mircea_popescu. but only gets to eat by 'turning correct screw' because of a set of personal connections which, as usual, aren't portable. [20:13]
mircea_popescu and it WAS impressive, for the time and place. because hey, the russians tried to build an utopia of empathy and equality, and failed. [20:13]
mircea_popescu the result being, that everyone involved with the attempt earned peanuts. just like your average gi joe today earns whatever hundred bitcoins and thinks it a big deal. [20:14]
asciilifeform karl friedrich gauss was also an impressive chap at 16, if in different ways, yes [20:14]
mircea_popescu (yes, yes, i know, bitcoins aren't inflationary etc. but the hundreds to peanuts comparison is not there) [20:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out, a point easily missed by naggum and im sure gauss, and many other very smart people. [20:15]
mircea_popescu all good math is based on a CORRECT easy way out. [20:15]
mircea_popescu ie, one that is actually homologous with the solution, not merely easy., [20:16]
asciilifeform gauss actually is interesting to mention here, given as he made many 'leaps of intuition' - most of them, into neverneverland. he knew this, even, and so refrained from publishing most of his work [20:16]
mircea_popescu there's no prizes for doing things the obvious, hard way, outside of a heartfelt obituary by an age worn woman with beautiful blue eyes [20:16]
asciilifeform (including his non-euclidean geometry pieces) [20:16]
mircea_popescu that part wasn't so bad was it ? [20:17]
asciilifeform that part - mostly worked! [20:17]
asciilifeform but he sat on it. [20:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform now read the bwaithe piece [20:17]
* asciilifeform reads [20:17]
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asciilifeform lol [20:19]
asciilifeform there are firms like this, somewhere. can't say i ever saw one alive in person, but then again how would i. [20:20]
asciilifeform there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out << yes: [20:22]
asciilifeform !s cheetah zoo [20:22]
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mircea_popescu well the easy way out involves expert cheating. [20:24]
mircea_popescu guy even fucking quotes seinfeld. [20:24]
mircea_popescu oh, weird world that has such variety in it. [20:24]
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mats_cd03 [20:27]
mats_cd03 or, 'how to engineer paranoia into a pleb still using facebook' [20:28]
mircea_popescu :D [20:28]
mircea_popescu worthy cause. [20:29]
asciilifeform another old-time favourite - custom router firmware. [20:29]
asciilifeform (was surprised when read 'roommate' and joke did not involve above) [20:29]
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mircea_popescu <<< actually that is the missing stone i was looking for. [20:31]
assbot High Anxiety [20:31]
mircea_popescu fucktard is so affraid of this world he's stuck in "empathy" and "equality" and herpy-derp because god forbid, what if!!11 [20:31]
mircea_popescu ah reading is such a pleasure. [20:32]
asciilifeform lol srsly? 'destroyed' by game of go ?! [20:32]
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mircea_popescu anxious type. [20:34]
mircea_popescu if i step on a snail, strictly for the purpose of stepping on the snail, he'll prolly go berserk on me just out of the need to somehow resolve the anxiety he feels [20:34]
asciilifeform if 'destroyed' by losing at go, what'll become of him when dealing with folks actually bent on his destruction ? [20:35]
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mircea_popescu "it's just a fucking snail" not available to his mind [20:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform his life is dedicated to their inexistence. [20:35]
asciilifeform how can man persist in that state, day after day, and not fellate his pistol ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu hence he hates "racists", those people who say things like "it's just a fucking snail" [20:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a whole swath of other nonsense built on nonsense. [20:35]
mircea_popescu it... works. [20:36]
asciilifeform i bet he at least polishes it every day, and plays with it, and considers. [20:36]
asciilifeform like the 'dulap' man's grandfather. [20:36]
mircea_popescu that's why the fucking bigco hires what he describes. [20:36]
mircea_popescu because if it hired disruptive, fearless folks... well... who knows what rocking the boat could do. [20:36]
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mircea_popescu if i went to work for google/apple/pepsi/w/e and in the first month a hundred employees killed themselves, i'd just welcome the news, and definitely blog about it. [20:37]
mircea_popescu but for pepsico itself... well... too much. [20:37]
asciilifeform oh and... are we sure this creature is a male ? [20:37]
mircea_popescu well yes. [20:37]
mircea_popescu depending quite what you mean. [20:37]
mircea_popescu he's the coffeejava guy [20:37]
asciilifeform ahaa [20:37]
* asciilifeform floored by the sheer perversity [20:37]
mircea_popescu perversion is the only enduring contribution of mankind to the universe. [20:38]
asciilifeform except for the puritanical variety, which, in al schwartz's words, 'has the unique damnation of being both perverse and boring.' [20:38]
mircea_popescu they're all boring to the right eyes. [20:38]
mircea_popescu "for every breathtakingly hot woman you ever see, there's a cock somewhere flacid at her mere memory" [20:39]
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TheNewDeal ^hahahaha [20:41]
mircea_popescu "He and I became fast friends and life was rather wonderful. We were both self-employed and often worked from home together in our own little co-working space. We occasionally would hang out with friends together and one day he decided to have some fun with me." <<< WE BUILT OUR OWN CUBICAL!!1 out of materials found in every home! read the secret that has all middle managers jealous! [20:41]
asciilifeform laugh, laugh, but i once visited the home of a man who built own cube. [20:41]
asciilifeform then again, history tells us of at least four who built... own guillotines. [20:42]
mircea_popescu well i used to be friends with this nutso who built his own.... guillotine. [20:42]
asciilifeform and used them personally. [20:42]
asciilifeform lol!!! [20:42]
mircea_popescu heh. [20:42]
asciilifeform 'inb4' [20:42]
mircea_popescu he didn't use it, but it was illegal. somehow, i still don't know how this worked, tbh. [20:42]
asciilifeform ah usually the builder puts it to use personally. [20:42]
mircea_popescu guy was well disturbed tho, and the puzzlement of teh authorities threw him over the edge [20:42]
asciilifeform with a timer, or otherwise [20:43]
* assbot gives voice to nubbins` [20:44]
nubbins` lit candle placed diagonally under the rope [20:44]
asciilifeform one did this, yes [20:44]
* asciilifeform recently went to a dusty old book store, where saw a reprint of newspaper piece about that one. [20:45]
nubbins` wax timer :D [20:45]
mircea_popescu seems the best would be, immerse penis, use displaced volume to actuate, watch porn [20:45]
asciilifeform another had a water clock timer [20:45]
asciilifeform one, if i recall, also had a chloroform rag in the loop somehow [20:46]
nubbins` glue piezo element to butthole, feed burritos [20:46]
nubbins` thousand solutions to this problem [20:46]
mircea_popescu paint it in manycolors, drop acid. [20:47]
asciilifeform in hilarious novel 'stand on zanzibar', there was a service that would, for a fee, execute the client in any one of a variety of 'historic' methods [20:47]
asciilifeform e.g. guillotine, the stake, etc [20:47]
mats_cd03 [20:47]
assbot Army's Big PT Test Changes | [20:47]
mats_cd03 'Army officials are also looking into how to grade the new tests, with a simple "excellent," "good" or "poor" potentially replacing a pass-fail or a point score.' [20:47]
mats_cd03 i loled irl. [20:47]
mircea_popescu why [20:49]
mircea_popescu ? [20:49]
mats_cd03 reminds me of some charter schools i had interacted with as a little one. no more grades, nobody can fail, everyone's a winner. [20:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25235 @ 0.00074979 = 18.921 BTC [+] [20:51]
mats_cd03 seems a poor way to run a warrior class, imo. [20:51]
mircea_popescu well yes but this is a move from 0/1 not from 0/10 [20:52]
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mircea_popescu "EDIT: I’ve told this story at conferences and in bars for months and absolutely love teaching through humor, but I’ve always been extremely self-conscious about my writing. I want to thank the absolutely amazing people on the /r/marketing subreddit and those in commenting below for giving me such profound feedback and encouragement on this article. I guarantee you that there will be MANY more like it in the very n [20:54]
mircea_popescu ear future. Thank you for your support and your laughter." [20:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [20:54]
mircea_popescu the problem with the facebook ads being that they are absolute rubbish [20:55]
mircea_popescu to the degree even the people trying to sell them are trying on the basis of "humor", ie, complete marketing failure. [20:55]
TheNewDeal they don't know how to target [20:55]
mircea_popescu yes fb, tyvm for having built a car that can't move but is a great guillotine counterweight. [20:55]
mircea_popescu if i ever need a way to counterweight a guillotine i'll think of you! [20:55]
TheNewDeal just heard a 25 yr o girl that received an "enlarge p3n1s pillz!!" [20:55]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal it is always the ready excuse of the manufacturer of a bad car that "people just don't know how to drive" [20:56]
mircea_popescu somehow the same people that know how to game google into the dirt "don't know how to target". [20:56]
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TheNewDeal google's pretty good. they just query my searches, repeat in ad form [20:58]
TheNewDeal I search "gold," all of next week I see gold rubbish [20:59]
nubbins` targeted advertising is mirthful [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00075008 = 10.5761 BTC [+] [21:00]
nubbins` my wife has very little info on her FB page and posts very infrequently [21:00]
asciilifeform i want 'targeted' ads every bit as much as roaches want 'targeted' roach spray. [21:01]
nubbins` so the algos just default to "xx year old woman" and show her ads for weight loss and wedding planning [21:01]
xmj your wife needs wedding planning? [21:02]
xmj she's about to serve you a divorce, mate [21:02]
nubbins` she's married and can bench press more weight than me ;( [21:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` more weight than you weight or more weight than you press ? [21:03]
nubbins` heh. more than i can press [21:03]
mircea_popescu well not in mortal danger yet [21:03]
mircea_popescu but better grow fat while you still can [21:03]
xmj as i said [21:03]
nubbins` nah, she can barely bench half my weight right now [21:03]
xmj she's about to serve you a divorce, mate [21:03]
nubbins` i'm eating potato chips right now to help defend myself [21:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly, i don't see the problem. let them read everything i write and make sense to me. [21:04]
nubbins` altho she can pick me up, so there's that [21:04]
mircea_popescu i expect no less of a human, why would i deter this of a computer ? [21:04]
mircea_popescu << this is a pretty great story [21:06]
assbot A Woman's Story [21:06]
TheNewDeal ;;nethash [21:07]
gribble 260791425.666 [21:07]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [21:08]
gribble Current Blocks: 321894 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 665 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 15 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35378016999.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.59984 [21:08]
mircea_popescu fucking hell 20% [21:08]
mircea_popescu how, is what i want to know. [21:09]
mircea_popescu 50 ph ? srsly ? [21:09]
nubbins` just wait until they turn on the rest of the farm [21:11]
mircea_popescu what farm, by now this is a whole planet. [21:11]
TheNewDeal that bet is so prime right now [21:11]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, am i the only one to find it shocking that the hollow earth crowd hasn't squeezed in on btc mining yet ? [21:11]
mircea_popescu SECRET UNDERGROUND MINING FARMS!!! [21:11]
TheNewDeal ;;ud hollow earth [21:12]
gribble | ... hollow balls · Hollow Book · hollow bunny · hollow bunny trauma · hollow conversation · hollowcore · hollow crackin' · Hollow Day ... hollow earth isn't defined. [21:12]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal there's this group that believes the earth is hollow inside, and stuff lives there. [21:12]
nubbins` but physics [21:12]
TheNewDeal thought it was? [21:12]
TheNewDeal ;) [21:13]
nubbins` oh you! [21:13]
TheNewDeal giggity giggity [21:13]
TheNewDeal so I'm trying to test out this mycelium trader bullshit [21:13]
TheNewDeal requested a buy from this asshole 4 hours ago [21:13]
TheNewDeal no response [21:13]
mircea_popescu maybe it has to build the fruiting body [21:14]
TheNewDeal come again? [21:15]
nubbins` HEH. [21:15]
nubbins` insert mushroom-tip joke here [21:16]
TheNewDeal lel [21:16]
nubbins` ;;google penis envy p. cubensis [21:16]
gribble Penis Envy Cubensis - The Hawk's Eye: ; Psilocybe cubensis : Penis Envy Uncut Spore ... - The Spore Works: ; Psilocybe cubensis : Albino Penis Envy (APE ver ... - The Spore Works: [21:16]
TheNewDeal thats a head I wouldn't mind swallowing [21:19]
TheNewDeal don't quote me on that [21:19]
nubbins` !b 3 [21:19]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [21:19]
TheNewDeal gracias [21:19]
nubbins` blocked in china! [21:20]
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TheNewDeal 5,000 "bitcoin china ban" threads result [21:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2215 @ 0.00075008 = 1.6614 BTC [+] [21:26]
jurov dem phalocybes [21:26]
mircea_popescu theymos jailed in china'd sound better tbh. [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00074591 = 8.2796 BTC [-] [21:30]
TheNewDeal thought he lived in madison, wi? [21:31]
nubbins` madison, china, w/e [21:37]
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nubbins` read an article earlier today that coal burned in china accounts for 20-30% of environmental mercury in usa [21:38]
TheNewDeal seems like a hard point to prove [21:39]
TheNewDeal didn't the us allow mercury around for many decades? [21:40]
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nubbins` TheNewDeal: pollution drift from asia is well-understood at this point [21:46]
nubbins` fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb [21:47]
TheNewDeal wikiderpia says largest contribution is from burning fossil fuels [21:48]
TheNewDeal "Currently, only Minnesota has a use-restriction law providing that mercury sold in the state will be used only for medical, dental, instructional, research, or manufacturing purposes." Well, what teh fuck else is it going to be used for? [21:49]
mircea_popescu fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb <<< [21:50]
mircea_popescu better than those evil, inert tungsten ones. [21:50]
nubbins` inorite? [21:50]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal masturbation. [21:50]
mircea_popescu minnesota is very down on jacking off [21:50]
TheNewDeal damn right [21:50]
nubbins` i live in fucking canada, i have my heat on for maybe 7-8 months of the year, and soon it will be illegal for me to buy a lightbulb that produces heat [21:50]
nubbins` consider the logic [21:51]
mircea_popescu soon my foot. [21:51]
mircea_popescu they kept derping about this in the eu. as i left romanian, proper lightbulbs were still on sale. [21:52]
nubbins` now i have to buy a bulb that contains mercury, and the power plant has to burn more coal to keep me warm [21:52]
mircea_popescu you couldn't buy them in the foreign supermarkets. which romanians don't buy from anyway. [21:52]
nubbins` you're not allowed to manufacture or import 100W incandescents in canada right now [21:53]
nubbins` once current stock depletes, that's it [21:53]
TheNewDeal they're gonna kick me out if I try and bring a bulb across the border? [21:53]
mircea_popescu from where, the north pole ? [21:54]
TheNewDeal usia [21:54]
mircea_popescu lol mexico-canada via the us lightbulb ring [21:54]
TheNewDeal They only allow you to bring in one carton of smokes [21:55]
TheNewDeal you can buy them for ~40USD per carton (10 packs), then they sell em for ~11 CAD [21:55]
mircea_popescu the serbs been doing this for a while in timisoara. (serbia not b eing part of the eu) [21:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10085 @ 0.0007464 = 7.5274 BTC [+] [21:56]
nubbins` duty-free smokes [21:59]
nubbins` cheapest i've seen is japan, $14 for a carton of marl [21:59]
TheNewDeal had a friend that would import smokes from china, sell them to his frat memebers [21:59]
nubbins` cops hate that [21:59]
TheNewDeal said approx 3/10 shipments would get confiscated at the border [21:59]
TheNewDeal still worth the money [21:59]
nubbins` ehh i think people who bring in contraband smokes are fucking dickheads [22:00]
TheNewDeal contraband? [22:00]
nubbins` untaxed [22:00]
nubbins` like your friend's chinese smokes [22:00]
bounce makes'em better. double the sin! [22:00]
nubbins` move to a country with free universal health care and see how you feel about it 8) [22:01]
TheNewDeal It's just a joke that they're the exact same shit [22:01]
mircea_popescu well on the neutral industrial basis of it, a pack is like 20 cents or something. [22:01]
TheNewDeal I'm not going to get into the arguement, but smokers are less of a health care burden. They die early and quick [22:01]
bounce so only pull that trick in countries that don't have universal healthcare [22:01]
mircea_popescu this argument is broken against smoking. it's an argument against universal health care. [22:02]
bounce "I hate the local healthcare system, let's smuggle some smokes!" [22:02]
mircea_popescu for instance. nonsense breeds any nonsense you chose. [22:02]
TheNewDeal Anyways, I wasn't the one smuggling in the smokes. Co-worker was the one, except he legitimately smoked them. Type of brainset that thinks he is saving $X whilst smoking through 9 packs in 10 days [22:04]
TheNewDeal Anyways, guy bums a smoke from him outside the hotel, gives him a looney [22:05]
TheNewDeal people try to give you quarters in the us [22:05]
mircea_popescu lol [22:05]
nubbins` dollar smokes, pretty steep [22:06]
nubbins` only 9 packs in 10 days tho? [22:06]
nubbins` that's hardly even a smoker [22:06]
mircea_popescu .ox [22:06]
nubbins` i used to do 9 packs in a week [22:06]
mircea_popescu i still have a pack someone gave me when i moved here [22:06]
nubbins` it'll be 3 years since my last on october 16 [22:07]
TheNewDeal not bad [22:07]
mircea_popescu wait i've been bloggibng for longer than you've been not smoking ? [22:07]
mircea_popescu filthy unhabit! [22:07]
TheNewDeal hahha [22:07]
nubbins` :D [22:08]
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nubbins` i recall approaching the one-month mark, and a friend suggested i celebrate by smoking all the cigarettes that i hadn't in the past month [22:08]
TheNewDeal hahahaha [22:09]
mircea_popescu !up Klodet [22:09]
nubbins` had a lel, did some mental math, realized that'd be like 700+ cigarettes [22:09]
-assbot- You voiced Klodet for 30 minutes. [22:09]
* assbot gives voice to Klodet [22:09]
nubbins` realized what i'd been doing to my body :0 [22:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.01083989 = 1.8319 BTC [-] [22:09]
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mircea_popescu nonsense tho [22:10]
mircea_popescu move from say japan to canada, [22:10]
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mircea_popescu then after a month have all the radiation you missed out on [22:10]
mircea_popescu in one go [22:10]
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TheNewDeal so, just because he hasn't been bathing in radiation, smoking 700 cigarettes in 10 days isn't bad? [22:12]
TheNewDeal seems like a stretch [22:12]
mircea_popescu no, but the damage in smoking 700 ciggs in one go has more to do with the one go than with the ciggs [22:12]
nubbins` probably need an ambulance around the third pack [22:14]
mircea_popescu keep a diet for a month, then eat all the food you didn't eat in one sitting. course you'll burst your stomach. etc [22:14]
nubbins` heh [22:14]
TheNewDeal your esophagus would just swell closed [22:14]
mircea_popescu none of this to propose smoking is healthy or anything [22:15]
nubbins` anyway, obv all in one go is worse, point is i smoked 700 cigs a month [22:15]
mircea_popescu just, gotta keep up appearances at technicality club [22:15]
nubbins` heh. [22:15]
TheNewDeal kind of reminds me of the monkeys that died from smoking cannabis [22:15]
TheNewDeal anyone hear of that experiment? [22:15]
nubbins` technicality club: "can i take your coat sir?" "it's a blazer" [22:15]
mircea_popescu nope [22:15]
nubbins` TND is that one of those face-mask-pumping-pure-smoke deals? [22:16]
nubbins` sounds vaguely familiar [22:16]
TheNewDeal [22:17]
assbot The Government's Monkey Experiment [22:17]
TheNewDeal Can't remember where I heard of it first, but thats the tldr I guess [22:17]
nubbins` [22:17]
TheNewDeal what in the fack [22:18]
Klodet nubbins is this you [22:18]
Klodet and yours dad? [22:18]
TheNewDeal looked like an emaciated schwarznegger (sp) [22:19]
mircea_popescu i wonder if smoking will ever be replaced by something equally insane [22:22]
mircea_popescu "gargle volcano water" [22:22]
mircea_popescu "insert dung into your rectum" [22:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00074851 = 9.4178 BTC [+] [22:23]
TheNewDeal well vodka shots up the ass [22:23]
TheNewDeal thats close [22:23]
mircea_popescu vodka is no good, but spritz will definitely loose up any woman. [22:24]
nubbins` nah, just some guys [22:24]
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nubbins` [22:25]
mircea_popescu << i can't remember this guy's name [22:25]
assbot A 15 Centimeter Hagfish Nano-thread With Near Gigapascal Tensile Strength Is Wound Up In A Single Cell | Neomatica [22:25]
mircea_popescu any francophone with vaillant experience ? [22:25]
TheNewDeal At my old job, got to see a manufacturing process for high strength power lines (for longer spans than normal, like a wide river). They had to extrude these extremely fine threads, over hundreds of meters in length, and if a few broke, it was all scrap [22:28]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: do you have background for naggum's "Free Software is a protest movement. Open Source is just a weapon." comment in that "business plan" thread? [22:31]
ben_vulpes "(watch GNU ls acquire [22:32]
ben_vulpes "human" sizes, for instance: multiples of 1000, instead of 1024.)" << this is what human means on unix?! [22:32]
* ben_vulpes boggles [22:32]
xmj ben_vulpes: GNU's not unix [22:32]
xmj (seriously.) [22:33]
ben_vulpes right. [22:33]
ben_vulpes is "human" 1000 across all of gnu? [22:33]
xmj GNU tools are pretty much invariant across all linux distributions, if that's what you mean [22:33]
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