Forum logs for 22 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back.	[00:01]
cazalla	morning, no hang over today and sun is shining	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urBbHrJnSmE	[00:01]
assbot	Bob Marley Sun Is Shining - YouTube	[00:01]
thickasthieves	does U mean something otherwise?	[00:01]
kakobrekla	unknown	[00:01]
thickasthieves	ah	[00:01]
bounce	apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	what is it even supposed to be anyway ?	[00:08]
thickasthieves	an excuse to do nothing but argue about doing nothing	[00:08]
bounce	oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet.	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	im sure it's all the win in social media.	[00:09]
undata	bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything	[00:09]
bounce	railroading, the new driver of discourse	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	bounce you realise what excellent seo this all is.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?	[00:10]
bounce	with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	"i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"	[00:11]
bounce	I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"	[00:12]
bounce	obxref cowclicker, but webscale.	[00:12]
*	bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness	[00:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	bounce i just don't run js. does a lot.	[00:13]
bounce	``The Pew Research Centeru2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!	[00:14]
bounce	must be an american shop. no sense of irony.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	(ie, the lowest form of wit)	[00:15]
bounce	1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.	[00:15]
thickasthieves	omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one	[00:15]
thickasthieves	line up	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	bits and ubits ?	[00:16]
bounce	the kind of irony you get from that song	[00:16]
Apocalyptic	the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw	[00:16]
thickasthieves	like the denomination	[00:16]
thickasthieves	ive seen it	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	it's a cohen brothers film about the fate of the 1950s redditards.	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	it's quite accurate, very scalable, a pleasure.	[00:16]
kakobrekla	test	[00:16]
kakobrekla	!b 1	[00:16]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0R32MNS.txt )	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ?	[00:16]
thickasthieves	the saddest part of the movie is nothing ever happens	[00:17]
Apocalyptic	it does seem they are trying at least	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on.	[00:17]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves o you saw it ?	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/a-clash-of-clans-addiction-nearly-sank-the-royals-seaso-1648848299 << Mobile Gaming	[00:17]
assbot	A Clash Of Clans Addiction Nearly Sank The Royals' Season	[00:17]
bounce	n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens.	[00:17]
thickasthieves	yeah, i like the actor, and the premise	[00:18]
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thickasthieves	but felt a little wanting at the end	[00:18]
thickasthieves	i guess thats the point	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	like bridget fonda in jackie brown	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.	[00:19]
thickasthieves	lol alrighty then!	[00:19]
thickasthieves	yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown	[00:19]
thickasthieves	but i was a totally different person when i last watched it	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	that bridget fonda bitchlet fucking ruined city hall.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.	[00:20]
thickasthieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQW-9CgJy8	[00:26]
assbot	Tech Tuesday - BitCoin - YouTube	[00:26]
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thickasthieves	includes chix saying bitcoin	[00:26]
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mircea_popescu	!up Buzhang	[00:27]
-assbot-	You voiced Buzhang for 30 minutes.	[00:27]
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Buzhang	hey!	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	ello	[00:27]
thickasthieves	http://www.corriere.it/tecnologia/economia-digitale/14_ottobre_20/phishing-comuni-hacker-bitcoin-ricatto-c457694c-5831-11e4-9d12-161d65536dad.shtml	[00:29]
assbot	tecnologia - economia-digitale Corriere della Sera	[00:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00073587 = 7.5795 BTC [-]	[00:30]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.05424999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,397.	[00:32]
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thickasthieves	this MIT price prediction paper is such a cocktease	[00:36]
Buzhang	what is bitcoin	[00:36]
thickasthieves	it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful	[00:37]
Azelphur	Buzhang: it's a series of tubes.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at 1.2.3.4.5.6.etc	[00:37]
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Buzhang	!s kim kardashian	[00:39]
assbot	14 results for 'kim kardashian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kim+kardashian	[00:39]
thickasthieves	!s kardassian	[00:40]
assbot	0 results for 'kardassian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kardassian	[00:40]
jurov	mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?	[00:40]
Buzhang	!s *	[00:40]
assbot	Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A	[00:40]
Buzhang	!s a	[00:40]
assbot	103062 results for 'a' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=a	[00:40]
kakobrekla	!down Buzhang	[00:40]
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cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/im-gavin-andresen-and-welcome-to-jackass/	[00:41]
assbot	I'm Gavin Andresen And Welcome To Jackass \| Qntra.net	[00:41]
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Apocalyptic	jurov, h	[00:41]
Apocalyptic	*what specs for this price ?	[00:41]
jurov	Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.01 * 24 * 365 / 300	[00:43]
gribble	0.292	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate.	[00:43]
jurov	you forgot electricity :)	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	if we're making up numbers, why not/.	[00:44]
Apocalyptic	also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)	[00:44]
kakobrekla	4	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic i felt generous.	[00:44]
jurov	and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different?	[00:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22118 @ 0.00073583 = 16.2751 BTC [-] {2}	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say.	[00:45]
jurov	a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy	[00:46]
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mircea_popescu	but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively	[00:47]
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mircea_popescu	much like i eat in restaurants or at home, no matter what mcdonalds charges	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi even what it is they want for their crap.	[00:47]
jurov	imo whole idea would work better as customized electric heaters	[00:47]
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jurov	where you can control the whole machine	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	this is something amazon can never provide.	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	%p	[00:47]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s	[00:48]
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jurov	waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders?	[00:49]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,351.	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls.	[00:50]
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BingoBoingo	%d	[00:50]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829656.26 in 1402 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.69	[00:50]
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cazalla	Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw	[00:51]
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mircea_popescu	yay.	[00:51]
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jurov	what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs?	[00:52]
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jurov	as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?	[00:53]
jurov	or peer-to-peer operated CDN?	[00:53]
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jurov	there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it	[00:54]
mike_c	<+mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url	[00:54]
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mike_c	there are tags in the href	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[00:55]
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jurov	sup assbot?	[00:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+]	[00:57]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.8359 BTC. Current weight: 62,167.	[00:58]
kakobrekla	jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#886501	[00:59]
assbot	Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot	[00:59]
jurov	and brain stays the same?	[00:59]
kakobrekla	ye	[00:59]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png	[01:15]
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kakobrekla	http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png	[01:16]
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kakobrekla	lol ok	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2014/10/transportation-divergence-and.html?m=1 << szabo	[01:18]
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kakobrekla	now only to cut the head off and we are done	[01:19]
mod6	at least ur defibulator works	[01:19]
kakobrekla	:)	[01:19]
kakobrekla	also installed pacemaker	[01:19]
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pete_dushenski	"by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."	[01:20]
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BingoBoingo	http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdfhttp://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdf	[01:20]
mod6	haha hopefully minus jvm	[01:20]
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jurov	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1243275397/air-umbrella u can make everyone else wet nao	[01:33]
assbot	Air umbrella by Air umbrella — Kickstarter	[01:33]
jurov	also, hair :/	[01:35]
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ben_vulpes	code review, please: https://www.refheap.com/92123	[01:41]
assbot	anonymous's paste: 92123	[01:41]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes 0.5.3!	[01:42]
ben_vulpes	yup.	[01:42]
pete_dushenski	ilike.	[01:43]
Apocalyptic	regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ?	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	rips out UPNP support.	[01:44]
jurov	;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!	[01:44]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:44]
Apocalyptic	exactly, you want it ?	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	do I?	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.	[01:46]
jurov	disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3	[01:46]
Apocalyptic	well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0',	[01:46]
Apocalyptic	there is not	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	oh oh	[01:46]
Apocalyptic	but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen	[01:46]
jurov	also rpcpassword is required	[01:47]
Apocalyptic	nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )	[01:47]
cazalla	that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed	[01:47]
kakobrekla	!s poker BRO	[01:48]
assbot	1 results for 'poker BRO' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=poker+BRO	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1	[01:48]
cazalla	!s brocoin	[01:48]
assbot	0 results for 'brocoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=brocoin	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	i want to compile without it. period. full stop.	[01:48]
cazalla	!s qntra poker	[01:48]
assbot	0 results for 'qntra poker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=qntra+poker	[01:48]
kakobrekla	lol no luck cazalla ?	[01:48]
cazalla	i posted about it :	[01:48]
jurov	ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	well it builds quite happily.	[01:49]
Apocalyptic	ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char	[01:49]
Apocalyptic	anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it	[01:49]
ben_vulpes	later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3	[01:49]
ben_vulpes	so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?	[01:49]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/	[01:50]
cazalla	they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is	[01:50]
assbot	Breakout Gaming Release BRO Coin Details \| Qntra.net	[01:50]
Apocalyptic	so i'm not imagining it at least, heh	[01:50]
Apocalyptic	so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist	[01:50]
kakobrekla	ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?	[01:50]
kakobrekla	grep it	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	in the makefile?	[01:51]
kakobrekla	where theres any config?	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.	[01:52]
mike_c	ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank	[01:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3}	[01:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+]	[02:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4}	[02:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3}	[02:27]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/kncminer-to-cease-retail-sales-sick-of-problematic-customers/	[02:29]
assbot	KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers \| Qntra.net	[02:29]
TheNewDeal	knc the new bfl?	[02:29]
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BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture	[02:30]
TheNewDeal	or is that just too much of a stretch	[02:30]
TheNewDeal	oOo	[02:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2}	[02:34]
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TheNewDeal	mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?	[02:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-]	[02:42]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding-value-to-bitcoin/ << the latest.	[02:42]
assbot	Adding Value To Bitcoin \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[02:42]
pete_dushenski	jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126	[02:47]
assbot	anonymous's paste: 92126	[02:47]
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pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/524688712303931392 << man those silberts crack me up.	[02:56]
assbot	The /yBitcoin fall guide has arrived! /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash http://t.co/3eKlTYIVe1	[02:56]
pete_dushenski	anyways, i'm out. cheers!	[02:56]
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ben_vulpes	later pete	[02:57]
Apocalyptic	ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ?	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	oooh	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6	[02:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2}	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	but baby steps	[02:59]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere	[02:59]
Apocalyptic	ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	libqrencode-dev purged	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	build passes	[03:00]
ben_vulpes	well	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	compiler poops	[03:01]
ben_vulpes	no idea what's in the turd.	[03:01]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Valgrind?	[03:02]
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jurov	ben_vulpes: paste it?	[03:05]
ben_vulpes	oh sorry, too much brevity.	[03:05]
ben_vulpes	the compiler poops a binary onto disk.	[03:05]
jurov	lol	[03:05]
ben_vulpes	i have no idea what's actually in the thing.	[03:06]
Apocalyptic	poops a binary onto disk without anything on stdout or stderr ?	[03:07]
Apocalyptic	what compiler is this	[03:07]
ben_vulpes	no, it makes sensible output.	[03:07]
jurov	make can be set up to be silent	[03:07]
ben_vulpes	i can paste for you.	[03:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0007406 = 18.8112 BTC [+] {2}	[03:07]
jurov	i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other?	[03:08]
Apocalyptic	make can be set up to be silent // sure, everthing can be	[03:08]
ben_vulpes	no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine	[03:08]
ben_vulpes	(as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)	[03:08]
jurov	oh you drama queen	[03:08]
Apocalyptic	heh	[03:08]
ben_vulpes	jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?	[03:10]
ben_vulpes	-f-stack-protector?	[03:10]
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jurov	oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten	[03:11]
jurov	*makes gcc to generate code to...	[03:11]
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ben_vulpes	ah k	[03:11]
Apocalyptic	ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING)	[03:13]
jurov	mkay	[03:13]
jurov	In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported.	[03:14]
jurov	but you should be fine	[03:14]
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ben_vulpes	1 warning, but i think it's fine: https://www.refheap.com/92127	[03:16]
assbot	anonymous's paste: 92127	[03:16]
*	ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!	[03:16]
jurov	ah, nothig that could not be fixed by rm -rf /	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	rm -rf / solves all problems	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	look ma, problems?	[03:21]
joecool	i like rm -fr /	[03:21]
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jurov	"french cleaning"	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	i++ solves problems too...	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	;;ud french cleaning	[03:22]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning \| The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe".	[03:22]
ben_vulpes	pwahahaha	[03:22]
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joecool	rip fleanode	[03:23]
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ben_vulpes	irc.serenissima.butts when	[03:27]
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BingoBoingo	!b 2	[03:30]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3626DAE.txt )	[03:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074064 = 9.9986 BTC [+]	[03:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4933 @ 0.00074064 = 3.6536 BTC [+]	[03:40]
ben_vulpes	can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?	[03:45]
jurov	what is the "first coinbase"?	[03:46]
ben_vulpes	block zero	[03:46]
ben_vulpes	http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f	[03:47]
assbot	Block 0 - Bitcoin Block Explorer	[03:47]
ben_vulpes	jan 3rd, 2009	[03:47]
ben_vulpes	puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi	[03:47]
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ben_vulpes	!up KayTheFlower	[03:52]
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ben_vulpes	say please and thank you	[03:52]
cazalla	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/	[03:52]
assbot	U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say - The Washington Post	[03:52]
KayTheFlower	yay	[03:52]
KayTheFlower	ben_vulpes, thank you	[03:52]
jurov	;;blocks	[03:52]
gribble	326384	[03:52]
jurov	;;calc 326384/365/24/6	[03:53]
gribble	6.2097412481	[03:53]
ben_vulpes	what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?	[03:53]
KayTheFlower	idk	[03:53]
jurov	sixth year you heretic!	[03:53]
jurov	year has now 52560 blocks	[03:53]
TheNewDeal	asciilifeform how old are ye, if it's ok to ask?	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	;;calc 2014 - 2009	[03:54]
gribble	5	[03:54]
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jurov	ben_vulpes is weak in the faith	[03:54]
Apocalyptic	ben_vulpes, yeah, but you start at year 1	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	"the first year"	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	year 0	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	i don't think these are exclusive	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now	[03:56]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	foomazingh	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	fooamazingh	[03:56]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	fooamazingh	[03:56]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:56]
Apocalyptic	they are not indeed	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	assbot must run on lisp machines	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	unhackable	[03:57]
jurov	1 is the penultimate number	[03:57]
Apocalyptic	but it flaws your logic as has been demonstrated	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	ah jesus what happened to my maths	[03:57]
jurov	weak fith, as i said	[03:58]
jurov	*faith	[03:58]
jurov	repent!	[03:58]
ben_vulpes	i plead the fith	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/hashtag/TwitterTorLockout?src=hash	[03:59]
assbot	Tweets over #TwitterTorLockout op Twitter.	[03:59]
jurov	http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hungary_to_impose_internet_levy_in_2015_tax_plans_show.28561.html	[04:00]
assbot	PORTFOLIO.HU \| Hungary to impose Internet levy in 2015, tax plans show	[04:00]
jurov	about half euro/GB	[04:01]
jurov	such progressive	[04:01]
Apocalyptic	heh	[04:01]
kakobrekla	yea, is not so bad here in somalia	[04:02]
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jurov	the Internet tax is estimated to generate HUF 20 bn for the budget	[04:04]
jurov	;;calc 20000000000/150	[04:04]
gribble	133333333.333	[04:04]
jurov	133 exabytes?	[04:05]
Apocalyptic	Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc	[04:06]
kakobrekla	log is back up and now works on a 30sec delay	[04:06]
jurov	to prevent naked boob sightings?	[04:06]
kakobrekla	its a different box	[04:07]
kakobrekla	also mirror coming possibly tomorrow	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	Beautiful	[04:08]
kakobrekla	or day after, ill be sorta away tomorro	[04:08]
ben_vulpes	oop kakobrekla making product mistakes	[04:09]
ben_vulpes	features	[04:09]
ben_vulpes	deadlines	[04:09]
ben_vulpes	commitments	[04:09]
kakobrekla	lol	[04:09]
jurov	kako ist the 0th bestest	[04:09]
ben_vulpes	no fith	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	condiments	[04:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00074064 = 5.2585 BTC [+]	[04:13]
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kakobrekla	!up paxtoncamaro91	[04:24]
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ben_vulpes	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html	[04:25]
assbot	Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)	[04:25]
decimation	kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog?	[04:25]
kakobrekla	its actually slovenia. i write somalia so mp doesnt get confused.	[04:26]
decimation	lol	[04:27]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: ~31	[04:28]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: why	[04:28]
TheNewDeal	just curious, was reading loper.os from 2009 and I'm trying to get an idea of author age	[04:29]
jurov	did you guess?	[04:29]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: what was your guess?	[04:30]
TheNewDeal	ahhh I hadn't formatted a guess!	[04:30]
TheNewDeal	should have questioned before revealing the answer	[04:30]
asciilifeform	lol	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them.	[04:30]
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BingoBoingo	My initial guess placed asciilifeform in his later 30's	[04:30]
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asciilifeform	i've had folks write in who guess 50s or even more.	[04:31]
BingoBoingo	I saw them in your comments	[04:31]
jurov	over two decades of such bitterness? hard to imagine	[04:32]
decimation	asciilifeform: you were probably born about 30 years late	[04:32]
TheNewDeal	I wouldnt have been suprised if you said 50	[04:32]
RagnarDanneskjol	I'd bet 42-45	[04:32]
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ben_vulpes	lol	[04:33]
ben_vulpes	guessing after the reveal	[04:33]
ben_vulpes	what is this, late bettor hour?	[04:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	ahh I missed it	[04:33]
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asciilifeform	i think someone even asked before	[04:33]
kakobrekla	RagnarDanneskjol no refund.	[04:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	ha	[04:33]
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jurov	hi othernubs`	[04:35]
jurov	got my torah suggestion?	[04:36]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, you want to include qt source code or leave it out?	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	!up reggiesells	[04:36]
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othernubs`	jurov, nod	[04:36]
asciilifeform	othernubs`: out	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	kay the flower ?!	[04:36]
asciilifeform	othernubs`: wait 0.6 is qt already	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	Wait, there's two nubs nao?	[04:36]
asciilifeform	?	[04:36]
jurov	so, openssl stays in :DDDD	[04:36]
othernubs`	is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like?	[04:37]
asciilifeform	mebbe we ought to do 0.1 ?	[04:37]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway	[04:37]
asciilifeform	when exactly did the worthwhile patches end...	[04:37]
*	asciilifeform digs through notes	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish	[04:37]
othernubs`	github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases	[04:37]
kakobrekla	if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call	[04:38]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: depends	[04:38]
decimation	it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it	[04:38]
asciilifeform	decimation: i think mircea_popescu does?	[04:38]
kakobrekla	decimation 'hardfork' != 'hard print' :)	[04:39]
decimation	does he? is there a repo?	[04:39]
decimation	heh	[04:39]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ?	[04:39]
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ben_vulpes	decimation: why 0.6?	[04:44]
decimation	ben_vulpes: I donno, I haven't looked into that in detail	[04:44]
decimation	I guess we want a version without idiotic patches	[04:45]
asciilifeform	which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes?	[04:45]
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decimation	that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string?	[04:45]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011	[04:46]
decimation	it's not in 0.1	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series	[04:47]
othernubs`	0.4.0 does not have qt, 0.5.0 does	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks	[04:48]
othernubs`	it was merged just before 0.4.1	[04:48]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu care to share your 0.6 patch set for the paper codex?	[04:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:48]
ben_vulpes	my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes	[04:48]
othernubs`	no, course not	[04:48]
*	asciilifeform never once in his life used the qt ver	[04:49]
othernubs`	you can build either bitcoin-qt or bitcoind with the same codebase	[04:49]
othernubs`	there's instructions for both	[04:50]
othernubs`	(see bitcoin-0.x.x/INSTALL)	[04:50]
asciilifeform	i'd sorta like all the gui-isms snipped	[04:51]
*	asciilifeform would do it himself but lazy, hence the impetus for the whole proposal	[04:51]
decimation	I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete'	[04:51]
othernubs`	heh yeah	[04:52]
ben_vulpes	they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise	[04:52]
othernubs`	not deprecated ;p	[04:52]
othernubs`	OBSOLETE	[04:52]
decimation	which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated	[04:52]
asciilifeform	'axe-time, sword-time, coming closer...'	[04:53]
othernubs`	84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer	[04:54]
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decimation	right but what percent of miners?	[04:55]
decimation	weighted by hash	[04:55]
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decimation	!up paxtoncamaro91	[04:55]
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decimation	!up ukyo	[04:56]
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decimation	!up username0	[04:56]
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TheNewDeal	ukyo	[04:56]
asciilifeform	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-to-start-war-and-lose-empire.html	[04:56]
assbot	ClubOrlov: How to start a war and lose an empire	[04:56]
othernubs`	decimation, no idea	[04:56]
asciilifeform	'...Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much.'	[04:56]
mod6	ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together.	[04:56]
othernubs`	you tell me!	[04:56]
TheNewDeal	like the bitfunder ukyo?	[04:56]
ben_vulpes	decimation: how would one ever know?	[04:56]
ben_vulpes	mod6: glad you like it!	[04:56]
mod6	when it's ready are you gonna put it up on github or some place?	[04:57]
decimation	nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	what, is my personal site not adequate?	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims	[04:57]
mod6	it's fine im sure. i'll look for the link. just saw the paste from before.	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	hehe	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	yeah, take a look	[04:57]
ben_vulpes	i'd love your code review as well sir	[04:57]
othernubs`	decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats	[04:58]
mod6	ok np. i'll take a look	[04:58]
ben_vulpes	i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity.	[04:58]
othernubs`	ah, heh.	[04:59]
ben_vulpes	occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts	[04:59]
othernubs`	ben_vulpes, but to what end	[04:59]
ben_vulpes	why so as to not get whacked	[04:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074064 = 12.8131 BTC [+]	[04:59]
ben_vulpes	nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say	[04:59]
asciilifeform	now if only someone of actual consequence were willing to share what he actually uses...	[05:00]
decimation	X-Rob: you are a miner right? what client do you run?	[05:01]
decimation	" The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov	[05:03]
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decimation	don't tell me orlov is a 'truther'	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/10/norpocalypse.html	[05:03]
assbot	The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Norpocalypse	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset	[05:04]
*	asciilifeform doesn't buy even half of mr. bush & co.'s fairy tale either.	[05:04]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it	[05:06]
asciilifeform	snipsnip.	[05:06]
asciilifeform	make sure result builds.	[05:06]
othernubs`	makefiles?	[05:06]
asciilifeform	yes	[05:06]
decimation	lol syntax highlight the m4	[05:06]
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asciilifeform	result must not only build but actually function	[05:06]
asciilifeform	(e.g. multi-dest sends)	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	and now to logs.	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like?	[05:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22525 @ 0.00073982 = 16.6644 BTC [-]	[05:07]
mod6	any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?	[05:08]
othernubs`	BingoBoingo, i'm a few days away from even attempting to answer that	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: Mostly I'm just wondering about the sort of paper you are printing on.	[05:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00073912 = 10.8281 BTC [-]	[05:08]
ben_vulpes	https://github.com/istib/helm-aws << ahahahaha	[05:09]
assbot	istib/helm-aws GitHub	[05:09]
othernubs`	probably Cougar 65lb white	[05:09]
ben_vulpes	now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you	[05:09]
asciilifeform	ideally this should be precisely the kind of paper found in the 1st edition of kernighan & ritchie's 'c'.	[05:09]
ben_vulpes	configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no	[05:09]
othernubs`	depends on final page count	[05:09]
asciilifeform	1978.	[05:09]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, /src/test/* ?	[05:09]
asciilifeform	nope	[05:10]
asciilifeform	just the pieces necessary for function.	[05:10]
othernubs`	barest bones, IOW	[05:10]
asciilifeform	barest that can walk.	[05:10]
othernubs`	50MB windows install	[05:10]
asciilifeform	lol, was it really?	[05:10]
othernubs`	lel jk	[05:11]
decimation	65 pound paper is pretty heavy isn't it?	[05:11]
othernubs`	ah, i can only test osx compile	[05:11]
othernubs`	decimation, it's not bad for large sheets. thinner paper rips	[05:11]
asciilifeform	k&r paper.	[05:12]
decimation	yeah I could see that	[05:12]
asciilifeform	glossy, indestructible.	[05:12]
othernubs`	right now i'm thinking like folio size, that may change	[05:12]
othernubs`	k&r paper, hm	[05:12]
asciilifeform	fixed font only, if that needed saying	[05:12]
othernubs`	natch	[05:12]
mod6	ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?	[05:13]
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othernubs`	you have a preference for thicker or thinner?	[05:13]
othernubs`	say terminal vs courier new	[05:13]
ben_vulpes	mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release	[05:13]
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mod6	ah. ok.	[05:14]
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othernubs`	asciilifeform, the library's closed, care to stab a guess at the paper weight in k&r?	[05:14]
mod6	im gonna build up a vm of this and give your script a try: debian-6.0.10-amd64-CD-1.iso	[05:15]
joecool	i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test?	[05:15]
*	othernubs` shrugs helplessly	[05:15]
ben_vulpes	mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc	[05:16]
ben_vulpes	pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind	[05:16]
othernubs`	you have any other paper of known make to compare it to?	[05:16]
mod6	yup, found it over here: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html	[05:17]
assbot	Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)	[05:17]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it.	[05:17]
TheNewDeal	Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established	[05:17]
mod6	so far, looks ok. im nazi about some spacing, but it looks functional ;)	[05:17]
mod6	let you know more when I know more.	[05:18]
*	BingoBoingo thinks archival paper, /me thinks something like http://www.cometsupply.com/mp/EPSON+AMERICA/pm/EPSSP91203/r/ga/?gclid=CLX1_deXv8ECFcRcMgodfREAqA	[05:18]
decimation	ben_vulpes: that's a helpful blog (your summary of major changes)	[05:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00073526 = 14.0802 BTC [-] {2}	[05:19]
othernubs`	Cougar is acid-free archival quality ;)	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	decimation innit.	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	glossy, indestructible. << long term problem with glossy paper is it tends to flake.. Not just ink, but white surface...	[05:19]
TheNewDeal	I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah maybe a good idea to use low acid paper	[05:20]
decimation	my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation cotton paper. expensive.	[05:21]
othernubs`	BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness	[05:21]
mod6	i can't believe that pinwheel said he was still gonna hard-fork in the AMA (thx for readers digest qntra) even after this: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/ \| I suspect that he reads trilema too. lollerskates.	[05:21]
assbot	USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:21]
decimation	yeah it wasn't cheap	[05:21]
othernubs`	decimation, mircea_popescu bibles are like fine cigarette papers, made from rice	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	nah, it's cotton/linen	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	;;google india paper	[05:22]
gribble	India paper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is India Paper and How is it Used? - Desktop Publishing: ; India Paper:	[05:22]
othernubs`	brb	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: Ah	[05:22]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	even after that	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	weird world, the us.	[05:23]
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ben_vulpes	mod6: let me know what style inputs you have	[05:24]
mod6	yea! remember that?! he was all "NO ONE SEND ANY COINZ!!!111 ROLL BACK!"	[05:24]
othernubs`	india paper, how bout that!!	[05:24]
TheNewDeal	ping Ukyo	[05:25]
ben_vulpes	mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"	[05:25]
othernubs`	anyway, OOTQ for this	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` i was also briefly in publishing.	[05:25]
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mod6	ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :}	[05:25]
othernubs`	mircea_popescu, so you're spilling your seekrit code fork or what?!	[05:26]
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mircea_popescu	wait wut ?	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	!up moldysnizz	[05:26]
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othernubs`	check your ;;later tells	[05:26]
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decimation	it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	oh. no, i've not published a bitcoin fork.	[05:26]
othernubs`	not yet	[05:27]
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*	BingoBoingo would like to see more books made of Tyvek and similar	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	the future's not ours to tell...	[05:27]
mod6	the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho.	[05:27]
othernubs`	well, if a mysterious manuscript shows up here...	[05:28]
othernubs`	mod6, 0.3.19 is last "satoshi code"	[05:28]
mod6	yeah, that was pre-DBD tho iirc.	[05:28]
mod6	bah *BDB	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	jesus the things hard drugs do to people.	[05:29]
othernubs`	BingoBoingo, tyvek is possible with our setup, but golden-toilet-y	[05:29]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though...	[05:30]
othernubs`	pro inks on acid-free paper lasts quite a while too	[05:30]
BingoBoingo	braille punched out of teflon seems super from a machine readable perspective too.	[05:30]
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othernubs`	tyvek would be great if you're installing it in an outdoor park	[05:30]
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mod6	<+ben_vulpes> mod6: let me know what style inputs you have << once tested, will do!	[05:31]
ben_vulpes	functional inputs vastly more important though	[05:31]
mod6	it's trivial. you'll lul	[05:31]
joecool	othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it?	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	omfg hussling the nubbin!	[05:32]
othernubs`	BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :)	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy.	[05:33]
mod6	me too	[05:33]
mod6	plzkthx	[05:33]
mod6	can you make one out of stone?	[05:33]
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mircea_popescu	gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning \| The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". <<< actually, there's a special cannula procedure for this	[05:34]
assbot	Urban Dictionary: pipe cleaning	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling?	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	;;google Karman cannula	[05:35]
gribble	Karman cannula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Karman's cannula and vacuum aspirator in gynecological practice.: ; Flexible Karman Cannulae - HPSRx:	[05:35]
othernubs`	so if we're going with 0.6.0, i'm gonna need to know what's required and what's not for a minimum build	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes no, it's the hustling of hussies.	[05:35]
othernubs`	if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` sure, how's that go ?	[05:36]
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ben_vulpes	yeah i'll take free credit for no work	[05:36]
othernubs`	heh	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	I READ THE LOG!!!	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	hater.	[05:37]
othernubs`	no free lunch	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` well ?	[05:37]
othernubs`	i want a list of files req'd to build a minimal working install	[05:37]
othernubs`	all the news that's fit to print and none that's not	[05:38]
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mircea_popescu	lmao @ hungary	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	everything thinks it's a country now.	[05:39]
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asciilifeform	othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf	[05:40]
asciilifeform	othernubs`: can we lift font there?	[05:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073673 = 18.8603 BTC [+] {2}	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour? <<< asciilifeform will keep his bet now.	[05:42]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, yeah, no prob	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it << quite.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	and actually, i AM looking for binary maintainers for gentoo/debian(ubuntu)/windoze/etc for a bunch of code	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	so how about someone hit me up on it.	[05:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: pipe << popular in usa in certain circles, in the '70s, i'm told	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	decimation: does he? is there a repo? << there's no repo.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"	[05:47]
decimation	heh yeah that's legit.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face.	[05:47]
decimation	over time the distros will be convinced	[05:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00074018 = 18.8746 BTC [+] {2}	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	what's next, bitcoin foundation is not a scam parasitizing this space but an actual representative ?	[05:47]
othernubs`	if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	there's not enough lsd in the world...	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	and if anyone wants to start a .6 mine, i'll chip in.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	decimation: rightbut what percent of miners? << better q, what % of coinbase :p	[05:49]
decimation	heh	[05:49]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, v6.pdf appears to be using straight-up courier bold for code	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?"	[05:50]
othernubs`	we'll need to put a color name on this	[05:50]
othernubs`	the ____ book	[05:50]
TheNewDeal	mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world... << agreed	[05:50]
asciilifeform	!s triple power over the forces of hell	[05:51]
assbot	1 results for 'triple power over the forces of hell' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=triple+power+over+the+forces+of+hell	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	The Pink-Violet Book of Bitcoin ?	[05:51]
othernubs`	the blurple book	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	ahahhaha	[05:51]
asciilifeform	vomit book?	[05:51]
othernubs`	compact disc took most of the basic colors	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	The True Book of Bitcoin	[05:52]
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Apocalyptic	if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	compact disc took most of the basic colors << Oreilly and pick an animal	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	Bitcoin's Book of Jesus ?	[05:52]
asciilifeform	koraktor!	[05:52]
othernubs`	Apocalyptic, is that indeed funny?	[05:52]
asciilifeform	https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koraktor	[05:53]
assbot	Koraktor Wikipedia	[05:53]
decimation	theres the rainbow series from nsa	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	#21599 \|\| publio \|\| SELL 1.0 ATC @ 1000 Satoshi \|\| None << Interesting	[05:53]
Apocalyptic	othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011	[05:53]
Apocalyptic	which is nonsense	[05:53]
othernubs`	grey book sounds serious enough and is underutilized	[05:53]
othernubs`	but then the cover has to be grey	[05:54]
Apocalyptic	I guess 0.6.3 should be ok	[05:54]
othernubs`	it seems to be mostly mac bugfixes	[05:54]
othernubs`	okay, informal name and cover art decided	[05:56]
othernubs`	the rest should come together quickly	[05:56]
othernubs`	anyone got that file list yet?	[05:56]
*	asciilifeform surprised how much interest from folks who aren't him	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	it's 3 in the morning and the log is 500 lines ya buncha chatterboxes.	[05:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're among friends.	[05:56]
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othernubs`	^	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	also, nubs had decent success with the posters iirc	[05:56]
othernubs`	yep, the forums would eat this book	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	which reminds me, The20YearIRCloud any renters yet ?	[05:57]
asciilifeform	who else, i wonder, wishes for one of these	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he's prollly going to sell a hundred, you kidding ?	[05:57]
asciilifeform	lol!	[05:57]
asciilifeform	noway	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	my bet is you'll end up with a free book and beer.	[05:57]
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othernubs`	are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on?	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	save it for the 2nd edition.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	;;ident othernubs`	[05:58]
gribble	Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None	[05:58]
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mircea_popescu	ugh.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	what happened there again ?	[05:59]
asciilifeform	where'd they put nubbins` ?	[05:59]
othernubs`	heh	[05:59]
othernubs`	can't go copying keys between machines	[05:59]
othernubs`	;;gettrust nubbins` othernubs`	[05:59]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 \| Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014	[05:59]
TheNewDeal	can you atleast give yourself a goddamn rating?	[05:59]
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mircea_popescu	aok	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	!up dtr	[05:59]
Apocalyptic	btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning	[05:59]
-assbot-	You voiced dtr for 30 minutes.	[05:59]
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dtr	hello	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic you know i got that from a number of ppl ? incl mpoe-pr	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	"gave me goosebumps it's so plainly vivid" she said	[06:00]
Apocalyptic	I saw her comment :)	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	dtr hi. who are you ?	[06:00]
Apocalyptic	oh that I didn't know	[06:00]
othernubs`	TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D	[06:00]
dtr	i'm me, who are you	[06:00]
TheNewDeal	k, now give me one!	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	!down dtr	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[06:01]
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-dtr-	saw someone mention this chan on twitter.. that's it	[06:01]
othernubs`	so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version?	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	kinda what ben_vulpes' been working on neh ?	[06:02]
othernubs`	you'd be sad if you paid 1btc for a book that's got a shitty bug, or that's 1 release behind a major improvement	[06:02]
othernubs`	ben_vulpes, speaketh	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine.	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	and a pencil can fix it.	[06:02]
othernubs`	https://bitcoin.org/en/version-history	[06:02]
assbot	Bitcoin Core version history	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ?	[06:03]
asciilifeform	each of us, i suspect, has his own use for book.	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again?	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo crack heads ?	[06:03]
othernubs`	0.6.3 seems to be the winner	[06:03]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: don't confuse this item with phil z's pgp book	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	;;google and he smithen them with the holy bible	[06:03]
gribble	Chuck Smith :: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Part ... - Blue Letter Bible: ; Prophecies in the Bible about Joseph Smith - Ensign Jan. 1989 ...: ; Book of Mormon. A Scripture Testament of Jesus Christ \| Mormon.org: (1 more message)	[06:03]
mod6	ben_vulpes's thing is gonna install 0.5.3	[06:03]
mod6	so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something.	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	or that.	[06:04]
TheNewDeal	RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go?	[06:05]
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mircea_popescu	im pretty sure he was here in the first days.	[06:05]
othernubs`	0.6.0 initial network synchronization is 5x faster than 0.5.3 ;)	[06:06]
asciilifeform	wasn't irc sync phased out then ?	[06:06]
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decimation	"irc peer scanning disabled" in 0.6.0	[06:07]
othernubs`	^	[06:07]
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decimation	according to Mr. Vulpes	[06:07]
othernubs`	and .org	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't terribly useful by then.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa.	[06:08]
othernubs`	brb fresh air	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile it proved worthlessly inept, so whatevs.	[06:08]
asciilifeform	unknown!? lolechelon	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform back in 2010 ? yeah.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	nobody really knew if they're any good or not.	[06:09]
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decimation	sigh bitcoin uses boost	[06:13]
asciilifeform	didn't know this?	[06:13]
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mircea_popescu	"At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian indi	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama."	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	this guy is so fucking nuts.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	seriously, that's what happened there ? o.O	[06:13]
asciilifeform	the public face of what happened	[06:14]
asciilifeform	more or less as described.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial.	[06:15]
asciilifeform	had problems.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	reading orlov is like reading j. fest v2.0	[06:15]
asciilifeform	;;google ideas are soldiers	[06:17]
gribble	Care Packages For Soldiers: A Guide On What To Send: ; CARE PACKAGE IDEAS \| Gathering 4 Soldiers: ; Carepackages for our Soldier on Pinterest:	[06:17]
asciilifeform	fail.	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	that sounds about right.	[06:17]
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asciilifeform	aha	[06:18]
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mircea_popescu	seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers"	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	well... narratives aren't soldiers, narratives are whores. substantially different.	[06:20]
undata	I hear a basket of american-flag cookies cures PTSD.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions.	[06:21]
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mircea_popescu	this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid.	[06:21]
asciilifeform	undata: with or without wagner/cyanide ?	[06:21]
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undata	asciilifeform: no no, a kid rock album and beer.	[06:21]
decimation	mircea_popescu: stupid on whose part?	[06:21]
undata	how unamerican	[06:21]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, include INSTALL, README, doc/, locale/?	[06:21]
asciilifeform	zapzapzap	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	decimation the us. it literally killed aml bs.	[06:21]
asciilifeform	anyone care to see the turdlets in?	[06:22]
othernubs`	COPYING is required, and i'd suggest including doc/build-*.txt	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states.	[06:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: even plausible that usg permitted this to avoid hastening axe-time, sword-time, bitcoin-time	[06:24]
othernubs`	actually i may include doc/* as an addendum, it's only a few single pages	[06:24]
asciilifeform	crapolade - in, aye, as appendices	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah well, anything's plausible, but unforced mistakes are still stupid.	[06:24]
decimation	european banks hate aml because of the shit they have to go through for us clients	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking.	[06:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.00073744 = 9.2895 BTC [-]	[06:25]
asciilifeform	organisms with simple nervous systems, they are; while on the correct side of the tinted glass, will continue to think they are 'someone.'	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	there is no correct side of tinted glass.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	once there's tinted glass, the war was lost.	[06:26]
decimation	somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills	[06:26]
asciilifeform	correct side, conventionally, is the one with the chixxors & coke, rather than fleas and reddit	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o0Bf43ti--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/p2sdfkdazwigmabfmrzr.gif	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	decimation nothing's as readily persuasive as a mistake.	[06:27]
decimation	the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt	[06:29]
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decimation	but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world	[06:31]
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mircea_popescu	you recall chinese products in 1980 ?	[06:32]
decimation	they were shit, plastic gimmicks	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	so then.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap.	[06:32]
decimation	now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	you mean 900	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	or was 900 the fiscal deficit	[06:33]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_United_States	[06:33]
assbot	Foreign trade of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:33]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: whoa. that looks disastrous at first	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, 900bn is the us budget shortfall	[06:33]
decimation	right, and of course these are only 'cashflow' numbers, not debt on the books	[06:34]
undata	17.8 trillion total debt	[06:35]
decimation	http://www.usdebtclock.org/ depending on how you count there are about $100-$250 trillion in outstanding liabilities	[06:35]
assbot	U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	"You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	t decide to do?" <<< ahahaah epic.	[06:35]
undata	and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding.	[06:36]
decimation	right, like liberia saving to buy whatsapp	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures.	[06:36]
undata	http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/	[06:36]
assbot	You Think The Deficit Is Bad? Federal Unfunded Liabilities Exceed $127 Trillion - Forbes	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone	[06:36]
decimation	all of which are implicitly on usg's books, because too big to fail	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[06:37]
asciilifeform	at certain point, there is a phase change, and the debt is repayable only in: meat.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	so quantifying it is pointless. it's never getting paid anyway.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies...	[06:37]
asciilifeform	this is precisely what i mean when i say that one thing or another costs $maxint	[06:38]
asciilifeform	meaning, rigorously, that for all valid machine ints i, i <= $maxint	[06:38]
asciilifeform	'Full fathom five thy father lies; of his bones are coral made; those are pearls that were his eyes...'	[06:40]
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undata	yeah... that'll help	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	"For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)."	[06:42]
asciilifeform	donate btc for ze war effort!	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	this is total bs lol.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	patton wanted to keep going. nobody else did.	[06:43]
decimation	so did most of the captured germans	[06:43]
asciilifeform	dulles	[06:43]
mod6	ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/01J9WVB	[06:44]
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assbot	dpaste: 01J9WVB	[06:44]
undata	mod6: you need more sources in your sources.list	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way.	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own.	[06:46]
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mod6	perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	it's correct, but too valuable for him. he was given notes.	[06:46]
undata	mod6: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/	[06:47]
assbot	Debian Sources List Generator	[06:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no need for muppetry, i get same notes from ru armchair generals	[06:47]
undata	mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.	[06:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...	[06:48]
asciilifeform	gotta speak languages.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	at minumum!	[06:48]
asciilifeform	*min	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern.	[06:48]
asciilifeform	the folks in his wot - do.	[06:49]
TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/	[06:49]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (10%) on Yes, 17.33 B (90%) on No \| closed 3 hours 46 minutes ago	[06:49]
assbot	BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No \| closed 3 days 3 hours ago	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, fwiw, i'm convinced, he's gotta be.	[06:49]
asciilifeform	also if i recall he did a tour of duty in u.s. finance derpatronics industry	[06:49]
asciilifeform	and has contacts there.	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	as plausible as all that may be...	[06:49]
asciilifeform	if mr o is shilling, he's an uncommonly frugal and ascetic shill.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter.	[06:52]
decimation	mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one.	[06:53]
decimation	well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ?	[06:54]
decimation	heh yeah	[06:55]
decimation	and google space	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	five bux, which is a gross estimate of its actual net worth, won't make a difference.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	no, the solution is purely monetary.	[06:55]
decimation	to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole	[06:56]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/00YBNXZ	[06:56]
assbot	dpaste: 00YBNXZ	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	half a point could be enough.	[06:57]
decimation	yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074064 = 7.5545 BTC [+] {2}	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	it's not THAT sad, not anymore.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005.	[06:58]
decimation	for awhile they were under Portugal	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	see, these things happen but don't last.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	romania was for a while on par with somalia.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	but romania is white people, and somalia is black people.	[06:58]
kakobrekla	nah	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla not that somalia, the other somalia.	[06:59]
kakobrekla	a.	[06:59]
Apocalyptic	heh	[06:59]
decimation	lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29	[07:00]
assbot	List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day	[07:00]
decimation	russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too	[07:01]
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ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes, speaketh << nothing strictly necessary post 0.5.3	[07:07]
asciilifeform	1.20 dollars a day << ehehehe - no. not comparable figure with usa 1.20/diem. ro didn't have to pay rent, had no ruinous tax, cheap non-synthetic food even in the depths of collapse	[07:08]
asciilifeform	no mandatory cars to maintain	[07:08]
ben_vulpes	although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them.	[07:08]
asciilifeform	no confiscatory 'health care' ripoff	[07:08]
asciilifeform	i could go on.	[07:08]
ben_vulpes	anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3	[07:08]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: let's put another way, lowest version you would be willing to use for daily life.	[07:09]
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TheNewDeal	0.6.3 is?	[07:10]
ben_vulpes	i'm transitioning backwards asciilifeform	[07:10]
ben_vulpes	i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client.	[07:11]
ben_vulpes	but i don't see any roadblocks at this time.	[07:11]
asciilifeform	i never really grasped what the gui was for	[07:11]
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asciilifeform	even winblows user could handily pop the dos shell and 'bitcoind sendtoaddress .....'	[07:12]
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ben_vulpes	well, consider all the things i've been unlearning	[07:12]
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ben_vulpes	you: grew up on lisp machine lore	[07:12]
asciilifeform	nah	[07:13]
asciilifeform	dug it up after uni	[07:13]
asciilifeform	not even during.	[07:13]
ben_vulpes	i: solved quadratics by hand because programming solvers was taught to me to be cheating	[07:13]
*	asciilifeform also solved quadratics by hand because programming is a cheat	[07:13]
ben_vulpes	constraint problems, too?	[07:13]
asciilifeform	ruler, pencil	[07:14]
asciilifeform	not so odd.	[07:14]
ben_vulpes	not at all	[07:14]
ben_vulpes	but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard	[07:15]
ben_vulpes	ergo, qt. at first, at least.	[07:15]
asciilifeform	this seems like a bind until you realize that what is taught now is 'solve with unicorn tears, milked out of your arse'	[07:15]
mod6	ben_vulpes: so the main issue was the deps so far. i went to the deb site and it gave me some to add to the sources.list, but didn't seem to help. i can try something different tomorrow if you have suggestions.	[07:15]
ben_vulpes	mod6: which deps?	[07:16]
othernubs`	so we'll split the difference between 0.5.3 and 0.6.3, go with 0.5.8	[07:16]
othernubs`	;p	[07:17]
mod6	it's in the pastes.	[07:17]
ben_vulpes	aok	[07:17]
*	asciilifeform still puzzled that mircea_popescu won't pick a favourite here	[07:17]
asciilifeform	what's in his patches anyway.	[07:17]
asciilifeform	death ray plugin support?	[07:18]
othernubs`	maybe we start with defining what's in current that we don't want	[07:18]
asciilifeform	next we become great sculptors. we buy a mountain of marble, and decide what's in there that we don't want.	[07:18]
ben_vulpes	molding bullets...	[07:19]
othernubs`	heh	[07:20]
ben_vulpes	qt gets cut	[07:20]
othernubs`	well, bv says 0.5.3 is minimum that will work	[07:20]
ben_vulpes	wallet retardation gets cut or reimplemented non retardedly	[07:21]
asciilifeform	no cuts without which won't fly.	[07:21]
asciilifeform	picture it's being sent to the past, for your ascension to godhood	[07:22]
othernubs`	publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	oh sorry	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	nubbins i was just opining	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	!	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	also also also also	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	getting command line functionality on os x has been a headache every time i tried it	[07:23]
ben_vulpes	another reason this damn platform's doomed	[07:23]
asciilifeform	wat.	[07:23]
ben_vulpes	ALSO STILL VULNERABLE TO SHELLSHOCK	[07:23]
asciilifeform	i thought it had normal posix	[07:23]
othernubs`	^	[07:23]
*	asciilifeform owns one of these, treats it as a mildly retarded linux box with defective wm	[07:23]
*	asciilifeform blows dust off mac	[07:24]
*	ben_vulpes tries it again	[07:24]
*	asciilifeform begins to wonder if this escapade will end with him maintaining 0.wtf in some dark cloister, for food and water	[07:25]
othernubs`	install yr updates	[07:26]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what release are you targeting?	[07:26]
asciilifeform	that was the whole enigma	[07:26]
othernubs`	that's the question	[07:26]
ben_vulpes	i'm going for 0.5.3	[07:26]
asciilifeform	somebody mentioned slow sync	[07:26]
othernubs`	let's use 0.9	[07:27]
ben_vulpes	slow sync, myriad crapolade	[07:27]
asciilifeform	i was originally gonna ask for 0.1	[07:27]
*	ben_vulpes digs spare hdd out of closet for aux blockchain	[07:27]
othernubs`	let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 << ok, so 5.4	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	5.3*	[07:28]
othernubs`	isanyone	[07:29]
othernubs`	...is anyone able to express succinctly yet accurately why current release isn't okay?	[07:29]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: care to drop even a small hint of what you're using? gizmo of own authorship? it isn't like you keep it hotwalleted, anyway	[07:29]
Apocalyptic	othernubs`, you're seriously suggesting using the "current" release ?	[07:30]
othernubs`	he creates raw tx using node.js script and sends to network via blockchain.info broadcast	[07:30]
asciilifeform	using soviet mk-61 calculator.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job <<< nubsy has antennae, and they're tuned for danger!	[07:30]
Apocalyptic	what's the issue with 0.5.3 ?	[07:30]
othernubs`	Apocalyptic, i'm attempting to guide the conversation towards stating what is and isn't desired in the codebase	[07:30]
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asciilifeform	othernubs`: picture if you were sending the damn thing back in time, to blaise p. for implementation on a gigantic Pascaline, or herr babbage, etc	[07:31]
othernubs`	ostensibly later versions have more bugfixes and improvements but also more cruft and potentially introduced attack vectors	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` you'll never get there. but anyway : 0.6.3 most recent acceptable ; 0.5.3 i guess, earliest acceptable.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	pick among these according to which bias (early, late) you want	[07:32]
*	asciilifeform always imagined that a pascaline ought really to be something akin to a guillotine	[07:32]
asciilifeform	pick among << smallest!	[07:32]
asciilifeform	easy.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	then .5.3	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	also easy.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck it is code never shrinks ?	[07:32]
asciilifeform	mine does.	[07:33]
othernubs`	feature spook	[07:33]
asciilifeform	and herr dr moldbuggr claims that he does	[07:33]
asciilifeform	;;google kelvin versioning	[07:33]
gribble	Moron Lab: January 2010: ; wintersmith-kelvin - npm: ; Software Installation & System Requirements \| Kelvin TOP-SET ...:	[07:33]
asciilifeform	that.	[07:33]
mod6	so .6.3 fixes this: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-3789	[07:33]
assbot	CVE -CVE-2012-3789	[07:33]
othernubs`	.7 prob fixes something else serious	[07:33]
asciilifeform	lol they assign cve for unknown gotcha through unknown mechanism!!?	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	0.5.6rc3 works	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform remember this suspicion for later.	[07:34]
asciilifeform	'the doctor saved the patient's ear, but did pluck out his eye i fear'	[07:34]
mod6	ascii: lol i guess so	[07:34]
othernubs`	" and 0.6.x before 0.6.3rc1"	[07:34]
othernubs`	so 0.6.3 affected	[07:35]
othernubs`	wait, no.	[07:35]
Apocalyptic	it's the other way around heh	[07:35]
mod6	also .6.2 fixes some portability issues apparently (FreeBSD): https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.6.2	[07:35]
assbot	Bitcoin-Qt version 0.6.2 released	[07:35]
Apocalyptic	that isn't critical imo	[07:35]
mod6	just putting it out there.	[07:35]
asciilifeform	this thing won't need bdb crapolade where it's going.	[07:36]
asciilifeform	but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and check out the cve link for details, going straight to an unmaintained dump page.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	pretty funny behaviour huh.	[07:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: typical, actually	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	no idea who/what it's supposed to help	[07:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: incidentally, you probably know who 'mitre' is a shill for.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	no idea.	[07:37]
asciilifeform	ahahaha	[07:37]
asciilifeform	'nonprofit' that's 99% dhs, dod, nsa by weight	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	MITRE Partners with University System of Maryland to Operate New Cybersecurity R&D Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology ?	[07:37]
asciilifeform	right here in town, yes	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	hey, more power to 'em.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski << http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ tell garzik i said they missed the boat.	[07:39]
assbot	The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	a billion short a year late ? heh.	[07:40]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu lol will do. i remember that article well.	[07:40]
pete_dushenski	please to leave comment perhaps?	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ?	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	he's gotta be kidding.	[07:40]
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mircea_popescu	my twitter's dead and i don't feel like social media anyway	[07:41]
pete_dushenski	i meant on the blog.. but i see where you're going. i'll drop him a twit.	[07:41]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what in place of bdb?	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	seems kinda redundant/spammy. next time.	[07:42]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: now is not the time, i actually suggested the project not imagining it would be picked up so quickly	[07:42]
pete_dushenski	mmok.	[07:42]
asciilifeform	i kinda want this for 6-9 mo. from now	[07:43]
ben_vulpes	i ain't picking up shit	[07:43]
ben_vulpes	just curious	[07:43]
asciilifeform	othernubs` picked up	[07:43]
ben_vulpes	ah.	[07:43]
othernubs`	ball, meet rotational displacement	[07:45]
artifexd	how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? << Code does shrink sometimes. But not due to concentration on features or bugs. If it happens, it happens because the developer grows and improves. One of my favorite days was deleting 60k lines of code that I had written and replacing it with 100 lines. Simpler. Faster. Easier to understand.	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	!s 50 mn	[07:47]
assbot	3 results for '50 mn' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=50+mn	[07:47]
undata	artifexd: it takes willingness to admit one's own stupidity	[07:47]
asciilifeform	code shrinks when a great fire is lit and all things that are vile and repugnant to the righteous are consumed in the flames.	[07:47]
asciilifeform	as it screams, its sins are expurgated	[07:48]
asciilifeform	!s best machine is no machine	[07:49]
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assbot	2 results for 'best machine is no machine' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=best+machine+is+no+machine	[07:49]
asciilifeform	'the tastiest fish in all the seas is called kolbasa [sausage]' -- my grandfather	[07:50]
othernubs`	i have a turkey kolbasa in the fridge	[07:52]
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ben_vulpes	i am considering bisecting the codebase for building on os x	[08:00]
ben_vulpes	i also think that building on os x is a bad idea	[08:00]
ben_vulpes	this is where docker starts coming in handy: instead of burning many hours on chasing down platform and architecture details to get the thing to work on os x, i'm leaning towards just running 0.5.3 in a VM.	[08:01]
ben_vulpes	0.5.6rc3 works << enhanced sync speed?	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	doubt it.	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	but you don't want it to sync anyway, just feed it a preindexed chain.	[08:03]
asciilifeform	preindexed by what?	[08:06]
ben_vulpes	$ cp ~/.bitcoin ~/.bitcoin-test && ./ancient-bitcoind -datadir ~/.bitcoin-test ?	[08:06]
ben_vulpes	surely it's not that easy	[08:06]
asciilifeform	gotta sync	[08:07]
asciilifeform	picture it being sent to earth of the recent past, that had all but bitcoin.	[08:07]
ben_vulpes	your book, sure.	[08:07]
TheNewDeal	cant you download a torrent?	[08:07]
asciilifeform	torrent produced by what?	[08:08]
asciilifeform	and does it result in a new torrent, modified?	[08:08]
TheNewDeal	I've just seen up to block 315k on tpb, but wasn't sure what the file format was	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes you got no pre-hearn blockchain ?	[08:08]
asciilifeform	what's with this pecular preoccupation with strange half-bitcoins	[08:08]
ben_vulpes	no sir	[08:09]
ben_vulpes	check my arrival date in -assets	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	am i the only one ?!	[08:09]
ben_vulpes	quite likely.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	pre-hearn - what date	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pre 7	[08:09]
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asciilifeform	i've one going since 2011	[08:10]
asciilifeform	for whatever it's worth	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	about 30gb it's worth lol	[08:10]
*	asciilifeform thought blockchain was one for all of us, 'like victory'	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	it is, substantially, but it's indexed differently for the latecomers.	[08:11]
asciilifeform	any semantics not preserved ?	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	well, bdb stuff.	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	and i imagine they probably did all the shitting they can	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	how do you make a torrent anyway ?	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu&start=5000 << mthreat wouldja be so kind as to expand how far back the search goes?	[08:14]
assbot	Error - search.bicoin-assets.com	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i suppose "first otc rating" would be better way to go about it no ?	[08:15]
ben_vulpes	hm	[08:15]
ben_vulpes	well, first words in -assets as proxy for initial blockchain dl	[08:15]
asciilifeform	eh, i suspect that many of us had one long before other	[08:16]
othernubs`	well, i'm gonna sleep on it	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes anyway, i'll pass you a signed tarball tomorrow ?	[08:16]
othernubs`	nite	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	or what are your goals here.	[08:16]
*	ben_vulpes thinks	[08:17]
ben_vulpes	none that can't wait for the morrow	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	the ideal way would be for you to let the thing sync naturally	[08:18]
ben_vulpes	i agree, yeah.	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	it'll take a few weeks, but what's the rush, and this way you get an authenti ccopy.	[08:18]
ben_vulpes	mhm precisely.	[08:18]
ben_vulpes	i'm not concerned about the speed nearly as much as i am the thing working correctly with the network.	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	so then nm, let it buzz.	[08:19]
ben_vulpes	although if you'd be willing to share your tarball and a version number against which i could build that might show some interesting things on a block-by-block diffing	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	there is one caveat, specifically, that you must make a file named DB_CONFIG that contains a set_lg_dir database set_lk_max_locks 500000	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	or else it'll die once it reaches end of 2013	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	im not running stock, and what would it show ?	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	the client doesn't keep "blocks" exactly, it's messier	[08:20]
ben_vulpes	right.	[08:20]
ben_vulpes	so every blockchain could be a snowflake.	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	notrly, cause we know what's in the zero block	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	but every actual blockchain download is a snowflake	[08:21]
ben_vulpes	i'm thinking in terms of bits on disk	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	you can't mix and match blkxxxx from one install with another's.	[08:21]
ben_vulpes	but if you supply the entire datadir, you can boot one install with another's blockchain?	[08:22]
ben_vulpes	provided set_lk_max_locks type configs are in place?	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[08:23]
ben_vulpes	hm.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	the whole set of xxxx's and blkindex.dat	[08:23]
ben_vulpes	this has been educational indeed.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	course, you would be relying on the verification done by the op	[08:23]
ben_vulpes	mhm.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	but i have bootstrapped new nodes in this way	[08:23]
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mircea_popescu	(it's actually the point of the torrent palliative back in the day)	[08:23]
ben_vulpes	should la serenissima publish a torrent?	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to be perfectly fair : the bdb arrangement wasn't really tenable on the long haul. it had to be replaced with a better db.	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	the noobs aren't really capable of handling the sort of requirements to dld a full chain.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	so that bitcoin split among a pro and a noob division is scarcely amazing.	[08:26]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[08:26]
pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/524784098510786560 << best twitter comment in response to "adding value to bitcoin" piece. i'm flattered!	[08:29]
assbot	So are you ready to add value to Bitcoin? http://t.co/QWwe4MG8Ar	[08:29]
pete_dushenski	(i sound like a gangster-rapper in writing, apparently)	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	how's the anon onslaught ? you been made to repent yet ?	[08:31]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu i'll repent by updating my "how to run a node" article with ben_vulpes' final work :)	[08:32]
ben_vulpes	gangster-rapper	[08:32]
pete_dushenski	and there hasn't been any anonslaught for the latest piece. but it's only been a few hours.	[08:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5023 @ 0.00074072 = 3.7206 BTC [+] {2}	[08:36]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ? << lol. tip of the derpberg.	[08:36]
thestringpuller	You didn't link the article on "the problem of too much money"	[08:37]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com the problem of too much money	[08:37]
gribble	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema ...: ; Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[08:37]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse. << their own rates? or just dump some us bonds and trigger us rate increase?	[08:37]
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pete_dushenski	thestringpuller i'm well familiar with that one. i linked several other trilemas to make my case.	[08:38]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: if we were still on gold standard, China could just dump gold and cause a collapse	[08:38]
thestringpuller	seems pretty easy to do in the modern economy	[08:38]
pete_dushenski	but since we	[08:39]
pete_dushenski	're not...	[08:39]
pete_dushenski	well, "we"	[08:39]
thestringpuller	bonds gold etc.	[08:40]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: romania was for a while on par with somalia. << but romania got "aid"	[08:40]
thestringpuller	I forgot jgarzik was an advocate of GPG in the web browser.	[08:41]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller so ya, dump bonds = us raises rates to compete with market awash in dumped bonds.	[08:41]
thestringpuller	Kinda...scary...	[08:41]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller this is the value of having a blog ;)	[08:42]
thestringpuller	"This engineer sees additional PGP problems: (1) ancient C codebase, and (2) lack of a usable lib."	[08:42]
thestringpuller	Aren't those good things?	[08:42]
thestringpuller	ancient C codebase == software that is more hardened over time	[08:43]
pete_dushenski	to quote mp: http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/	[08:43]
assbot	A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[08:43]
thestringpuller	blogging is a muscle. probably why I write for qntra	[08:43]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller good for la serenissima, bad for usderpcorps.	[08:43]
thestringpuller	"He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock!	[08:44]
pete_dushenski	news is a different muscle, though still a muscle.	[08:44]
pete_dushenski	yes, yw.	[08:44]
pete_dushenski	meh "canadian"	[08:45]
thestringpuller	hmm. it's ashame all the power rangers are senile	[08:45]
pete_dushenski	mom was born in romania. dad's fam moved from ukraine barely a century ago. thus http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/	[08:46]
assbot	Who Are We? Not Nationals \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[08:46]
thestringpuller	Ah. oh yea I remember.	[08:47]
thestringpuller	Reminds me a lot of the theory of stateless armies.	[08:47]
thestringpuller	(more metal gear talk)	[08:48]
thestringpuller	of a theory*	[08:48]
pete_dushenski	mercs essentially.	[08:48]
thestringpuller	yessir	[08:48]
thestringpuller	so went to that kryptokit site	[08:48]
pete_dushenski	"will work for treasure"	[08:48]
thestringpuller	vitalik buterin is on the team? kinda figures "javascript in da browser"	[08:49]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2270223/Private-security-group-Typhon-assembles-private-navy-protect-Indian-Ocean-shipping-Somali-pirates.html	[08:49]
assbot	Private security group Typhon assembles private navy to protect Indian Ocean shipping from Somali pirates \| This is Money	[08:49]
pete_dushenski	RagnarDanneskjol heh	[08:50]
RagnarDanneskjol	I've recruited mercs for them - they're pretty badass	[08:50]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller ya, everything vitalik and his co-derp anthony touch are utter nonsense.	[08:50]
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thestringpuller	On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore?	[08:51]
thestringpuller	"Mission Accomplished! We failed but succeeded!"	[08:52]
pete_dushenski	anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext.	[08:52]
pete_dushenski	this was after anthony tried calling me several times, leaving voicemails about how he "didn't know i felt that way about ethereum" and shit.	[08:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00074123 = 9.2439 BTC [+]	[08:54]
thestringpuller	LOL	[08:55]
thestringpuller	"I don't know how to use GPG, so I'm gonna make my own."	[08:55]
thestringpuller	We saw how that worked out for usagi ~_~	[08:55]
thestringpuller	(in reference to insurance)	[08:55]
pete_dushenski	and i said we're doing pgp or irc. but he'd "lost his key" so had to make another...with kryptokit!	[08:55]
pete_dushenski	interestingly, kryptokit keys are only 2,047 instead of 2,048 rsa keys. odd, no?	[08:56]
thestringpuller	old pete_dushenski will one day think like Jeezy, "Seen't it all"	[08:56]
pete_dushenski	lol	[08:57]
pete_dushenski	it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process!	[08:57]
pete_dushenski	or maybe it's just b-a.	[08:57]
ben_vulpes	it's a forging of some kind. trial by fire.	[08:57]
thestringpuller	dude this is so bad	[08:57]
thestringpuller	GPG in the browser?	[08:58]
*	pete_dushenski not complaining. doesn't mind a grey or two.	[08:58]
thestringpuller	this is as bad as that keybase.io	[08:58]
thestringpuller	not quite as bad as your private key isn't stored on some fuckers machine in his mom's basement	[08:58]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes ow! it's hot in here!	[08:58]
RagnarDanneskjol	i use gpg in browser on airgapped device with wifi physically disabled.. b/c I actually understand java and can audit with my own eyes	[08:59]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski> it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process!	[08:59]
thestringpuller	^ MP must say at least once a day, "i'm too old for this shit"	[08:59]
pete_dushenski	RagnarDanneskjol heh neat.	[08:59]
ben_vulpes	bawww really RagnarDanneskjol ?	[08:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	yup - i dum	[08:59]
ben_vulpes	you make the baby satoshi cry	[08:59]
ben_vulpes	that's a pretty funny self-indictment of javaland if you don't mind my saying so.	[09:00]
RagnarDanneskjol	yes yes	[09:00]
ben_vulpes	"i can read java and stuff, but can't handle cli programs"	[09:00]
ben_vulpes	nothing personal	[09:00]
ben_vulpes	'cept for the rapier betwixt yer ribs	[09:00]
ben_vulpes	:P	[09:00]
RagnarDanneskjol	none taken - I know my security leaves much to be desired.. why I hired a fulltime tutor	[09:01]
pete_dushenski	en garde!	[09:01]
pete_dushenski	fulltime! like 40h/wk??	[09:01]
ben_vulpes	full time you say	[09:01]
ben_vulpes	lol i wish i had that kind of budget	[09:01]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes patience.	[09:01]
RagnarDanneskjol	well - he's not just a tutor - he's building stuff too - talkin bout Azlph	[09:02]
thestringpuller	;;later tell mircea_popescu I'm glad you can still be young at heart re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#882514	[09:03]
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ben_vulpes	http://rajensanghvi.com/ << fuck yeah default wpengine template	[10:02]
assbot	rajensanghvi.com \| startups, sales and inspiration.	[10:02]
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ben_vulpes	fluffypony: now there's an interesting thing to put up someone's pooper	[10:04]
fluffypony	lol	[10:04]
ben_vulpes	looks like i could get it open in about a minute with a decent vise	[10:05]
ben_vulpes	plus a screwdriver. maybe.	[10:05]
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ben_vulpes	but you know	[10:05]
ben_vulpes	neat keyfob i guess	[10:05]
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mircea_popescu	assbot:	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	Logged on 28-03-2014 00:41:08; ozbot: Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl << lol a million doge is what, ten cents ?	[10:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2095 @ 0.00074128 = 1.553 BTC [+]	[10:13]
ben_vulpes	using their considerable expertise in implementing a just-in-time (JIT) compiled version of the Ethereum virtual machine and making computationally-complex contracts a reasonably affordable possibility	[10:15]
ben_vulpes	A REASONABLY AFFORDABLE POSSIBLITY	[10:15]
ben_vulpes	WHY	[10:15]
ben_vulpes	okay who did this to me	[10:15]
ben_vulpes	who nerdsniped me with the etherscam again	[10:15]
ben_vulpes	fuck you medium	[10:15]
ben_vulpes	you're shitbanned	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	^	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	medium is a turdy pos on the level of coindesk.	[10:16]
ben_vulpes	i	[10:16]
ben_vulpes	but	[10:16]
ben_vulpes	ether	[10:16]
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ben_vulpes	anyways, here, ether wallet lulz: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html	[10:20]
assbot	Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes no dude, it's a pos libtard venue astroturfing the shit out of the internet.	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	its signal is exactly zero.	[10:20]
ben_vulpes	well it's cost the future one night of my time.	[10:20]
ben_vulpes	i was being productive and booting historical versions of bitcoin to run locally.	[10:21]
ben_vulpes	but noooo	[10:21]
ben_vulpes	i had to get scamsniped AGAIN.	[10:21]
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ben_vulpes	taleb's really on to something with his noise suppression routine.	[10:21]
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ben_vulpes	how though to reconcile noise suppression with -asset logreading...	[10:22]
ben_vulpes	thoughts for bed.	[10:22]
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gabriel_laddel	;; later tell nubbins I'm not familiar with the btc codebase, but is there any reason not to include diffs from 5.3 to n.m in the appendix?	[10:27]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen pigeons	[10:30]
gribble	pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: so far that seems accurate	[10:30]
thickasthieves	<+othernubs`> let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce /// yknow a survey of large miners' and pools' sentiment on state of bitcoin dev, what versions they use, etc would be a great qntra article	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	hard to verify miners, easy to get a bunch of derps that love to talk. but yes, it would be.	[10:31]
thestringpuller	couldn't you just ask trustworthy miners like slush for the pool stats?	[10:32]
thestringpuller	or do people have their computers lie about the version of stuff they are running?	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	plenty to be lost.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	miners willing to talk about their mining are either lying or motivated by something larger than their mining. which could be their own honesty, of course, but could just as well invalidate the entire premise identifying them as miners.	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	cazalla http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/20/no_chokey_for_flannery/ mebbe	[10:34]
assbot	'LulzSec leader Aush0k' found to be naughty boy not worthy of jail The Register	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	help irritate asciilifeform's ideas about "can do anything"	[10:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00073633 = 7.3265 BTC [-]	[10:35]
thickasthieves	<+mircea_popescu> being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really. /// well, what if we picture the future 10 years out? are representatives of large hash more communicative? or is there 'political' position on bitcoin technicals more known?	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	it's never going to be open.	[10:37]
thickasthieves	there/their	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	why would people in power talk to the public ?	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	the public is welcome to either start mining or stfu.	[10:38]
thickasthieves	so you think itll all just be a total mystery forever	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	only for the public.	[10:38]
thickasthieves	yeah, investigation would be interesting	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	there will be the occasional reports from retired people, obviously. but otherwise, bitcoin mining ~==== fiat espionage.	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, "secret services"	[10:40]
thickasthieves	i remember bitfury was very defensive when i asked how much manufactured mining power they represented	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the other similar thing is the networking cabal.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	people may exchange info as to how much switching happens and where and how, on a "need to operate network" basis.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	but you're not getting a report. nor is congress.	[10:42]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, i remember hearing about this kid, nfi if he actually was part of lulzsec or not	[10:42]
thestringpuller	tactical espionage action	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	cazalla seems not really. but the aussie "secret service" twerps are the better target there. i dun think anyone can point out to ANYTHING they ever achieved, since ww2 onward.	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	not ever. and yet...	[10:43]
cazalla	nah, secret police here are ASIO not AFP	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	there's at least half a dozen of various derp groups, and they're all wasting oxygen & public moneyz.	[10:45]
cazalla	given i live here, i have nothing but praise for all gov departments, advance australia fair	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates. << you understand those aren't directly measured, but more like calculated after the fact ? it's normal variance, you're trying to guess how many times a coin is tossed by how many heads you see. well...	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	cazalla haha that's a point.	[10:48]
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thickasthieves	http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/10/21/sweden_s_military_calls_sub_breach_of_waters_fucked_up	[10:48]
assbot	Sweden's Military Calls Sub's Breach of Waters 'Fucked Up'	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, <<< except miners don't go in and out with the price. the market is amortisation driven, they have the gear and have to use it, so they'll use it.	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	fx risk is handled like any fx risk (hedge and insure).	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	On Sunday, the Swedish media wound itself into a tizzy over a photograph of a man dressed in black wading into the water somewhere in the archipelago. The security services were dispatched to find the man, who turned out to be a pensioner named Ove, out doing some fishing. "I'm no spy, I'm a pensioner," he told Expressen. "You can tell that it's me [in the photo] by my straight jeans, and I usually have a backpack on."	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	how did that theory go... the ideal spy is an old guy with no social contacts ?	[10:53]
bounce	the sweedish sold off their sub hunting helos in 2008. bwahahahaha.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	bounce sweden is kinda poor these days.	[10:53]
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bounce	am I supposed to pity the fools now?	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	they let norway split...	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	birts have more sense with scotland	[10:55]
bounce	norway is doing pretty well, last I heard	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	while reserves last.	[10:57]
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ben_vulpes	mod6: create an address and send coins to it?	[19:12]
Apocalyptic	it may be handy to generate a private key outside of the bitcoind mecanism	[19:13]
Apocalyptic	it you want to use it, gotta import it	[19:13]
ben_vulpes	mm.	[19:13]
othernubs`	all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide	[19:14]
mod6	and what if you already have a private key that you'd like to import from cold storage? how would you send coins to new said address?	[19:14]
othernubs`	bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down	[19:14]
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Apocalyptic	wait they close bridges because of that ?	[19:15]
mod6	in other news... i think i fixed my deps problem.	[19:15]
mod6	:)	[19:15]
ben_vulpes	nice! care to share?	[19:15]
mod6	so the debian source list generator thingy didn't put it in there that i need lines that tell me to go to just "squeeze" itself, not just "squeeze-updates" or w/e. will paste.	[19:16]
jurov	othernubs`: did you close the US border, to stop the terrorists?	[19:16]
mod6	"Cloning into bitcoin ..."	[19:16]
othernubs`	it's the most open border in the world :/	[19:17]
mod6	"Checking out v0.5.3"	[19:17]
mod6	looks like there might be an issue with that sed command tho	[19:17]
PinkPosixPXE	if you dpaste/pastebin it, I can assist.	[19:18]
PinkPosixPXE	^with sed	[19:18]
othernubs`	so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching?	[19:19]
othernubs`	;D	[19:19]
mats_cd03	you made isis mad othernubs`	[19:19]
mod6	awe shit. fuckin scrollback only set to 512 by default. gotta run this stuff again. one sec... working on it	[19:19]
ben_vulpes	it initially ended with :=0/d so as to rip the relevant line out. that'll still work.	[19:19]
mats_cd03	time for canada to become part of the caliphate	[19:19]
bounce	wasn't forking the point of the whole thing?	[19:21]
bounce	a list of CVEs and other security problems in bitcoin would be useful	[19:21]
bounce	probably would need to take the full tree and look at the diffs, backport the useful stuff and leave the cruft	[19:22]
mike_c	polish the turd?	[19:22]
bounce	no, not quite	[19:23]
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bounce	the usg unfunded liabilities problem is mainly pensions, no?	[19:24]
mod6	so keep in mind that a lot of these packages got pulled successfully the first time. this is the second running after i bumped up the scrollback limit on the term:	[19:25]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/1EHBRNF	[19:25]
assbot	dpaste: 1EHBRNF	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes btw, if oyu're going to maintain this, change satoshi's warn key.	[19:25]
mod6	Thanks PinkPosixPXE	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching? << not long.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide << russians finally invading ?	[19:27]
mike_c	isn't somebody making a good alternative implementation? why take 0.5.3 as the b-a client.	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ISIS invading, hell of a thing to wake up to.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c because gavin wants a fork	[19:27]
mats_cd03	nice knowing you, canada	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	and in general, when little bitches are asking for a thrashing, it's a good idea to give them a thrasing.	[19:28]
othernubs`	;;google globe footage captures shoot out in parliament building site:youtube.com	[19:28]
gribble	euronews (in English) - YouTube: ; All comments on A Fresh Perspective On "Islamophobia" - YouTube: ; Toronto by Newsreel \| culture \| Torontoist:	[19:28]
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othernubs`	too recent i guess,	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` https://www.google.com/search?q=bridges+between+ottawa+and+gatineau+all+shut+down&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=nws << totally.	[19:28]
assbot	bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down - Google Search	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	all they got is "How to Be a Devils Fan In Ottawa -- 2014-15 Edition" and "Tune in TONIGHT for "MAKERS: Women in War""	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	as if.	[19:29]
othernubs`	http://youtu.be/XrGqoISd-do	[19:30]
assbot	Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	sooo.... why military bases then ?	[19:30]
othernubs`	first shot took down a canadian soldier at the nat'l war memorial	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	what's a "police sweep"	[19:30]
Apocalyptic	sooo.... why military bases then ? // didn't get that either	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	dude these schmucks are not trained or something ?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	is THAT what you do when shots fired ?	[19:31]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/QdiNV	[19:31]
assbot	Hack - Imgur	[19:31]
bounce	dunno. police pretending to be militaree is all the rage now. has been for a while.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	mthreat ahahah win.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	bounce even police tho. it's a basic fucking thing, what is this bullshit "i'ma lower my back in a crouch so as to reduce mobility and improve exposure"	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	for crying out loud. throwing like a girl, but for guns.	[19:32]
thickasthieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGqoISd-do&list=UUsZYUb8C_19bWOCKF9jRwSg	[19:33]
assbot	Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	i suppose asking the brave&bold to crawl for two hundred yards is way too much huh.	[19:33]
bounce	not everybody has the guts to walk in rod straight with a campaign hat instead of a helmet and going "I love the smell of napalm in the morning", you know.	[19:33]
othernubs`	maybe i should submit a bitbet about the war measures act being enabled again	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	bounce and whoever does won't have em for long, you know ?	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` sounds legit.	[19:37]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/gF4DefU.jpg << the best part is where it says "pantalla tactil" and "together we work for you"	[19:44]
bounce	which is why they like their guns at the ready and their own profile minimised	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	seriously, that's not how it's done. these little bitches would get massacred if anyone seriously went at them.	[19:45]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[19:46]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XFHE5K.txt )	[19:46]
bounce	they're police wannabe soldiers, not actual combat vets	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	shocking video, anyway.	[19:47]
bounce	so why is this assad character so completely reviled, beyond resisting the arab spring thing?	[19:47]
BingoBoingo	http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/134690/it-was-three-stannard-stations-hit-by-apparent-cry	[19:47]
assbot	Latest Radio News, Talk Shows, Sports, Hosts, Personalities \| AllAccess.com	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	bounce he broke the us' back in the middle east.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	remember that humiliating "chemical weapons" thing ?	[19:47]
bounce	not that that wouldn't have happened a bit later anyway, with the sharia-huggers	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	that was the first of since then numerous times putin shoved his cock in obama's butt.	[19:48]
BingoBoingo	bounce: He married a white girl is as far as I can tell.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	he's not much more middleeastern-y-er than obam.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore? << well it wasn't really making all that much.	[19:51]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext. <<< ahahahh.this is like, what, built from the ground up with derpidity in mind ?	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[19:51]
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bounce	stupid s/w and clueless user. it's what you get when most of the userbase is clueless: the writers of mailclients will also be clueless.	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	o so basically the idea is, client autodecrypted and then appended it to email history as per usual ?	[19:57]
thickasthieves	http://www.blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	i suppose it's a good filter for the killfile.	[19:58]
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bounce	dunno what happened. any user-agent headers in the original?	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	good q.	[19:59]
*	bounce has way too much to read. sigh	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	"339,192 US rank. This site reaches over 858 monthly people" << holy shit, it's not fucking possible that 1k people reading you on a monthly basis puts you in the top 300k sites on the internets.	[20:00]
bounce	them 'merkins really can't keep their fingers out of anything and they manage to fsck up everywhere. not a new observation, but it hasn't ceased to be painfully true either.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla BingoBoingo : didja see quantcast's "affinity index" ? wired.com 32.7x reddit.com 26.2x zerohedge.com 26.1x theverge.com 20.8x wsj.com 19.3x. made to own, that thing.	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	$depth S.QNTR	[20:03]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=38 Or use a valid MPSIC!	[20:03]
bounce	mind the "us" part. that's only some large fraction of 310M people. there's at least as many people online in china, and europe again, and so on.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	bounce but 1k ? it's like... anything is seen by a thousand people in a month.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	it's thirty a day for crissakes	[20:03]
bounce	you got the same numbers but for log.bitcoin-assets.com, just for comparison?	[20:04]
bounce	though that'd be the wrong thing to compare with. the other 'bitcoin'-news services would be better to compare with	[20:05]
mod6	ok ben_vulpes: works! http://dpaste.com/3RHJW3S	[20:06]
assbot	dpaste: 3RHJW3S	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i was saying earlier i love varnish ? pre varnish, 89,441 pages, 207,229 hits. post varnish ? 58,692 pages 58,707 hits. saved 100k hits or so.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	bounce nah, qntra is the only thing on quantcast.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	i am serious, there's just no way to run a web server w/o it.	[20:07]
mod6	there was 2 very minor changes to your sed command in there that PinkPosixPXE helped me with. needs to be: sed -i 's/USE_UPNP:=0/USE_UPNP=/1'	[20:07]
mod6	I'll paste the entire thing, just a sec.	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	http://www.computerhistory.org/_static/atchm/xerox-alto-source-code/ << Looky	[20:09]
mod6	;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 Helped me out testing ben_vulpes install script.	[20:09]
assbot	Xerox Alto Source Code \| Computer History Museum	[20:09]
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[]bot	Bet created: "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/	[20:09]
PinkPosixPXE	Thanks! :)	[20:10]
BingoBoingo	;;rate PinkPosixPXE Contributed text to qntra	[20:11]
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BingoBoingo	;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 contributed text to qntra	[20:11]
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jurov	http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2595277 << putin already saving oil companies from pension funds? happens rather quickly	[20:11]
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mod6	ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/0BX9YV5	[20:12]
assbot	dpaste: 0BX9YV5	[20:12]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 ben_vulpes would you two be interested in cochairing an ACTUAL bitcoin foundation ? dedicated to ~actually~ maintaining the bitcoin core etc ?	[20:12]
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mod6	it'd be an honor, Sir.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	prolly not teh only one.	[20:15]
jurov	what about Chief Scientist and 5 econ muppets positions?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	jurov none of that, i'm thinking more of, have two co-chairs, then when one wants to go out they vote unanimously to add a third, and after 6 months the retiring one can leave.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	stable indefinitely like that.	[20:16]
jurov	i see. deaths are to be announced 6 moths prior, too.	[20:16]
thickasthieves	i had same idea this morning actually	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves good for you :)	[20:16]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.	[20:16]
TheNewDeal	Ooo can I be fundraising chair?	[20:16]
TheNewDeal	I'll pledge a donation :D	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov well, ideally people on death's door aren't in the chair position.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal i dun thyink so. you see, it's by doing shit.	[20:17]
TheNewDeal	securing finances is just part of the mo?	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	notrly.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	i think that'd be the other one.	[20:17]
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jurov	ok srs. mod6 is a C++ programmer? or do you have any?	[20:18]
TheNewDeal	ooo the scamcoin foundation?	[20:18]
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thickasthieves	should also require signed, narrated gpg for all distributions of funds	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	they can hire/work with whoever the fuck they want.	[20:18]
thickasthieves	run it totally transparently	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves absolutely.	[20:18]
mod6	i've done a fair amount of C++ in the past. a lot more C though, I must admit.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	hire people like eulora hires people, on gpg contract.	[20:18]
mats_cd03	this sounds like something i want to be involved in	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	cool!	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17388 @ 0.00073629 = 12.8026 BTC [-]	[20:19]
bounce	mod6: what'd you work on?	[20:20]
jurov	where do you accept patches? i have one pending (for multiple walletsw)	[20:20]
jurov	it's against 0.8, tho	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	well once they actually get the charter signerd i suppose there's going to be a geethoob	[20:20]
jurov	and i was told the code was refactored quite	[20:21]
bounce	they're starting to bitch about browser versions	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov not unfixable, that.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	how, they ?	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	who*	[20:21]
bounce	perhaps not a good idea to rely on them. then again, hosting a git repo isn't exactly difficult.	[20:21]
jurov	bluematt iirc	[20:21]
mod6	bounce: noting in C++ that i can point to right this minute in OS space. Mostly C stuff is out there... my freebsd port I created is in C.	[20:22]
jurov	what about boost?	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	ah git. well u dunno man, that's why there's foundation chairs. sort this shit out.	[20:22]
bounce	what'd you port then?	[20:23]
mod6	oh a million years ago i created a port called 'destroy'	[20:24]
mod6	but been a freebsd guy for a long time, helped out on a lot of various things.	[20:24]
mod6	in user & kern	[20:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5254 @ 0.00073885 = 3.8819 BTC [+]	[20:25]
*	mod6 fbsd since 4.2, obsd since 2.6	[20:26]
bounce	freebsd 4 best freebsd	[20:27]
mod6	^	[20:27]
thestringpuller	you don't know if you're on death's door if you get assinated	[20:28]
thestringpuller	assassinated*	[20:28]
thestringpuller	wow	[20:29]
bounce	twice the ass	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yeah, okay, if anyone gets ass-assinated we'll ad-hoc it k ?	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	no point in having pre-compiled code in case of exceptions. pre-compiled is for non exceptional stuff.	[20:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00074037 = 10.1801 BTC [+] {2}	[20:33]
bounce	do we have sources on us vs ru jet fighter quality other than herr orlov?	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	me ?	[20:39]
bounce	how'd that go? o_O	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	tis in the logs, i wonder how it's keyed	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	!s sukhoi	[20:40]
assbot	1 results for 'sukhoi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sukhoi	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	a there we go. cool!	[20:41]
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othernubs`	mircea_popescu> draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate <<< me too	[20:42]
othernubs`	a single distro shames us all	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	especially a shitty one run in circles through featuritis swamp by idiots	[20:43]
othernubs`	SatoshiCore: don't run with the chumps	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` there's really no cause to fork the name too. let the gavin-mike-dorkteam run into obscurity and that's that.	[20:45]
bounce	;;seen mistere	[20:45]
gribble	mistere was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: Deer Hunter was masterpiece	[20:45]
othernubs`	yeah fair enough	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	this is bitcoin. that some other derps are calling their derpage bitcoin too... well who cares.	[20:45]
othernubs`	shit, drop the core and just call it Bitcoin.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	the us congress calls itself sovereign. anyone can call anything	[20:45]
RagnarDanneskjol	spkg of name *motion to rename 'ACTUAL bitcoin foundation' to homebrew bitcoin club	[20:46]
othernubs`	aye	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	;;ud spkg	[20:46]
gribble	Google found nothing.	[20:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	speaking	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	hardly. it'd be the bitcoin foundation. because it's what it is.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	some other scamthing notwithstanding.	[20:46]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoin.foundation too ?	[20:50]
RagnarDanneskjol	ugh	[20:50]
jurov	taken	[20:50]
othernubs`	heh	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	which is my fucking point. this "name and logo" approach to "ideas" is for the birds.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck does it need a website for even.	[20:51]
jurov	it'll just be project on github?	[20:51]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitfury-capital-announces-investment-in-gocoin/	[20:51]
assbot	BitFury Capital Announces Investment in GoCoin \| Qntra.net	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	if they even decide to use github	[20:51]
othernubs`	mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline	[20:52]
othernubs`	we'll publish the goddamn thing	[20:52]
othernubs`	sanity prevails	[20:52]
jurov	will be hosted on an obscure ipv6 addy :DDD	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	othernubs` "Bitcoin, the definitive edition" ?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	jurov can be foundation.bitcoin-assets.com	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	or whatevs.	[20:52]
othernubs`	Bitcoin v6	[20:53]
othernubs`	canadian forces warning personnel not to wear their uniforms off-base?!	[20:54]
othernubs`	what madness is this	[20:54]
jurov	btcfoundation.org is regged to some "Matthew Campbell","Bryan Thomas Campbell Foundation", Scottsdale, US	[20:54]
othernubs`	soldier gets shot, solution is for all other soldiers to get naked	[20:54]
othernubs`	jurov, the basdard	[20:55]
Apocalyptic	that's a weird announcement to make...	[20:55]
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othernubs`	truly bizarre	[20:55]
mod6	<+othernubs`> mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline << agreed.	[20:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073584 = 14.6064 BTC [-] {2}	[20:56]
othernubs`	i'd recommend the next few minor releases merge as many non-crufty fixes from core as possible, but that's just one man's opinion	[20:59]
othernubs`	copy the cream, chuck the crap	[20:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00073506 = 6.4685 BTC [-]	[21:02]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[21:03]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 385.41, Best ask: 386.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 385.26, 24 hour volume: 8718.21347780, 24 hour low: 380.0, 24 hour high: 389.39, 24 hour vwap: 384.929848633	[21:03]
asciilifeform	maintain << i will, sure. if someone actually wants this.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	mainly because this involves virtually no work.	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[21:05]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1M6XPHG.txt )	[21:05]
othernubs`	heh	[21:05]
othernubs`	asciilifeform, you okay with yr manuscript elucidating the forthcoming Real Bitcoin 0.6?	[21:06]
jurov	heh..wait till they break boost compat	[21:06]
asciilifeform	my manuscript, lol!?	[21:06]
bounce	how much boost is in there anyway?	[21:06]
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othernubs`	;D	[21:06]
asciilifeform	i'll breathe on it and bless it, promise.	[21:07]
othernubs`	calling it a book seems to boorish at this point	[21:07]
othernubs`	*too	[21:07]
othernubs`	these rubber keys..	[21:07]
othernubs`	can't wait to see the charter	[21:08]
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asciilifeform	i refuse to build the winblows gui ver., though.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	(all others - sure, fuk, why not)	[21:11]
mike_c	charter ideas: 1) maintain a workable core with no shit in it. 2) specify bitcoin 3) write a new implementation because you can't polish a turd.	[21:12]
othernubs`	i don't think gui should be a priority, at all.	[21:13]
mod6	these are good ideas mike_c.	[21:13]
mod6	othernubs`: nod	[21:13]
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othernubs`	i'll donate 1btc specifically to guarantee no gui for 0.6-0.7	[21:14]
mod6	gotta make it work, before we make it pretty right	[21:14]
othernubs`	^	[21:14]
bounce	a workable api would be nice. the current js stuff is... er, open for improvement.	[21:14]
othernubs`	heh	[21:14]
othernubs`	bitcoinjs is actually not bad	[21:15]
othernubs`	but you're right	[21:15]
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asciilifeform	donate... to guarantee no gui << Deal!! pay to xxxxx....	[21:15]
othernubs`	let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs	[21:16]
bounce	it's quite a lot useless if you're trying to build scripts with it, unless they're browser-based in some way	[21:17]
othernubs`	i don't want real bitcoin to come default w/ candy	[21:17]
othernubs`	bounce, node.js runtime	[21:17]
asciilifeform	and, naturally, replicable build setup (i'd suggest 'qemu' image. easy.)	[21:17]
othernubs`	open a bash prompt and type node wallet.js or w/e	[21:18]
bounce	yeah, that's the point. useless on the cli, where you'd throw awk at it instead.	[21:18]
othernubs`	!up omg_hax	[21:18]
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asciilifeform	no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture.	[21:19]
jurov	well.. seems like we need to draft a roadmap	[21:19]
jurov	and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no?	[21:19]
jurov	qemu has poor i/o perf	[21:19]
asciilifeform	forget maps - if someone actually wants this, no joke, i'll simply crap it out. just say where we'll keep it.	[21:20]
bounce	no usage, no manpage, unobvious naming.	[21:20]
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asciilifeform	poor i/o performance << not for using!! for building.	[21:20]
bounce	oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts?	[21:20]
bounce	they got derided for that, but really, the feature shouldn't have been in there in the first place. that, or something that actually did what it said it'd do.	[21:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00074076 = 15.4819 BTC [+] {3}	[21:21]
asciilifeform	'qemu' is simply a machine emulator (x86, mips, sparc, a few others) - we can use another if someone has a good reason to dislike qemu	[21:22]
bounce	how available is it?	[21:22]
asciilifeform	eveveryone please try to grasp why i suggest emulator. this gives a complete self-contained block of bits which reliably builds the apparatus. no external anything, ever.	[21:23]
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The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: - I've passed out a few, not to all tenants though due to the baby being born on last rent cycle	[21:23]
asciilifeform	available << gpl2	[21:23]
bounce	the problem with that is that the emulator itself should be widely available too.	[21:23]
BingoBoingo	qemu is available just about anywhere	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	can't wait to see the charter << me2	[21:24]
jurov	i am fine with qemu... but... it builds and then what?	[21:24]
jurov	you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	othernubs`> i don't think gui should be a priority, at all. << prolly not. if they kill the qt branch it would be no loss anyway	[21:24]
asciilifeform	plus, a snapshot of ordinary x86 bsd install 'for qemu' could be booted on a physical machine. the suggested distribution mechanism is just a way to keep the thing reliably portable without having folks dependency-hunt.	[21:24]
bounce	the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	othernubs`> let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs << EXACTLY. do one thing, do it well.	[21:25]
bounce	probably should do multiple image formats for the time being though	[21:25]
asciilifeform	it builds and then what << damned if i know. then, folks who actually use bitcoin for something, can, presumably, use this one if they so wish	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	all this non-unix bs, "gotta make an application to join curl and awk EACH WAY THEY COULD BE JOINED". for fiddy billion "different" aps.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the term you're looking for is 'non-orthogonality' - ancient lament on my site	[21:26]
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bounce	one thing that would be useful but is probably not that trivial to implement is a way to split keeping the chain and keeping the keys	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud o happy bday.	[21:29]
ben_vulpes	mod6, othernubs`: i'm behind on logs, but this is amenable.	[21:29]
ben_vulpes	ugh amenable	[21:29]
ben_vulpes	it's fine and great i mean to say	[21:29]
The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: thanks, although you're a few weeks late :D	[21:29]
othernubs`	copacetic	[21:30]
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jurov	bounce this is nowallet=1 parameter since 0.9	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no? << probably.	[21:30]
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asciilifeform	so does someone actually want this for anything? and othernubs has a tree up for comment?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts? << yeah and definitely must fix, but that'll be hard to do on the first pass. an excellent thing to do for first revision tho, take out "labels" implement accounts correctly (or merge coin control in, either way)	[21:31]
bounce	so how do the wallets relying on it then ascertain the validity of the chain that instance serves?	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	qemu is available just about anywhere << this is true.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting? << not like we can't keep an official copy for bootstrapping, or else people who have the patience can just make their own	[21:31]
bounce	it's still going to be a bitch for shops that're running, say, xen or vmware or whatnot.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake << also true.	[21:32]
jurov	you can run qemu under xen and whatnot fine	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:32]
bounce	though boost is a right pain and bloody big.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	even contemplating basic auditability requires a 'capsule' that does not need to milk anything (save mains current) from the outside world, during build setup	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	which is another very valid 2nd step, audit the motherucker.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	hence emulator with expected 'gcc', known libs, etc	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it.	[21:33]
othernubs`	yeah, that's valid	[21:33]
jurov	how it is better as distributing signed binaries?	[21:33]
othernubs`	^ also valid	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	true.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	how it is better as distributing signed binaries? << iron correspondence btween claimed source and claimed binaries. only one way to achieve this reliably - the one suggested above.	[21:34]
othernubs`	maybe it's fair to put the burden of the system's basic integrity on the user	[21:34]
ben_vulpes	i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there?	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	and since we're doing this : asciilifeform the one thing you'd be most halpful with would be, look into the god damned rand code/crypto uses thereof.	[21:35]
othernubs`	boot up a vm!	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	there HAVE been cases where bitcoin used shitty entropy.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	vm << no vm. known emulated cpu for known state, always.	[21:35]
jurov	yes, you can make the qemu image available for reproducible builds, but dunno if to advertise as sop for everyone	[21:35]
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mod6	<+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it. << okay :)	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	jurov b-a is not for everyone.	[21:36]
ben_vulpes	http://www.nhplace.com/kent/CL/x3j13-sd-05.html	[21:36]
assbot	X3J13 Charter	[21:36]
asciilifeform	qemu only for builders / paranoiacs. ordinary mortals can use the resulting binaries.	[21:36]
mod6	<+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat.	[21:36]
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asciilifeform	i'll happily take a weekend off to read the rng gibblets, once you lot draft a proclamation of Giving A Fuck	[21:37]
othernubs`	if you guys need assistance editing it, i may be of some help	[21:38]
BingoBoingo	I have a feeling the great use of Deedbot will be proclamations of giving a fuck.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	oh and yes, i'll crap out a qemu (or bochs - does anyone prefer bochs?) image.	[21:38]
othernubs`	highest grade i ever got in a math degree was 98% in a technical writing course ;0	[21:38]
jurov	vakgrind can use either?	[21:38]
jurov	*valgrind	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	<+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. << you've read plenty of mpex contracts, good enough. keep it direct, plain and simp,le.	[21:39]
othernubs`	qemu sounds like a start	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hopefully that's done by fri.	[21:39]
mike_c	<+ben_vulpes> http://www.nhplace.com/kent/CL/x3j13-sd-05.html << this seems like a good, simple, plain example.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	valgrind << will run inside. it attaches to a process. if you want out-of-band (say, kernel diddling) both emulators present 'gdb' interface to the outside, stop cpu, play	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	certainly the cl is a good antecessor.	[21:40]
bounce	redo the whole thing in cl in a night already	[21:41]
mod6	mircea_popescu: ok thanks, good point.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications."	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: care to upload a favourite and signed openbsd installer? then we roll tonight.	[21:41]
mod6	we'll draft up something, probably have something for all to look at by end of tomorrow or friday? hope that's not too long.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i rarely if at all run openbsd tho ?	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	mod6 if it's by friday it's perfect.	[21:42]
mod6	ok. sounds good. we'll dig in. :)	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	if lenin were alive today lenin would be begging us to let him in this chan.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	who has the bitcoind tree? othernubs?	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you mean the source tarballs ?	[21:44]
asciilifeform	deturdified src	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes prolly.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	punkman yeah speaking of all this comotion, any chance we get the deedbot up by fri ?	[21:45]
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asciilifeform	redo the whole thing in cl in a night already << ask me again in peacetime	[21:46]
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bounce	can throw a git repo at it for starters	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	can';t hurt.	[21:49]
jurov	just http for now?	[21:49]
bounce	why not	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	https is about as useful as tits on a boar.	[21:50]
bounce	though no, best put a ssh thingy for commit on it	[21:50]
jurov	yes, ssh i meant	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	gpg commits!	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	get everyone used to checking sigs.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	nonw of this ssh bs	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	none*	[21:51]
jurov	via irc bots! bring the noize!	[21:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i rarely if at all run openbsd tho << now we know, he has personal os and btc apparatus! with alien technology.	[21:51]
bounce	no idea how that works. you'd have to have git check against valid gpg sigs from blessed keys or something?	[21:52]
asciilifeform	gpg commits << yay! somebody Gets It	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	jurov might be a good idea via bots, so people can commit from here directly, but even w/o that : a contrib that is signed is signed permanently.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	a contrib that is submitted via ssh WAS, maybe, perhaps, signed at some point.	[21:52]
bounce	no real point trying to go through bots when git can do it right away	[21:52]
jurov	i have to look into how signed commits are done	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	bounce only because people see it in the logs.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	jurov it can just be wrapped in gpg --clearsign you know ?	[21:52]
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bounce	you can have git trigger a log whatnot and feed that to the other end of a bot	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	certainly.	[21:53]
jurov	mircea_popescu: but iirc it signs the diff, not just commit message	[21:53]
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asciilifeform	how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball.	[21:54]
punkman	mircea_popescu: yeah should be up by friday	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea, never looked that closely.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	!up Plaxant	[21:54]
BingoBoingo	!up Plaxant	[21:54]
-assbot-	You voiced Plaxant for 30 minutes.	[21:54]
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mircea_popescu	too slow bingo	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	punkman ideal.	[21:54]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, I'm slowing in my old age	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	we need to create that "have read" accounting scheme i was talking about weeks ago.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	there's no other way to trust software.	[21:54]
kakobrekla	(while pretending you can run 'safe' sw)	[21:55]
asciilifeform	this is all quite trivial, so far (until someone starts insisting on actual work)	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	it's another to trust it because asciilifeform commited it, and therefore perhaps read it, and it's open source so therefore "billions of eye pairs"	[21:55]
asciilifeform	!s eyes flies	[21:56]
assbot	4 results for 'eyes flies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=eyes+flies	[21:56]
kakobrekla	meant doesnt mean shit	[21:56]
kakobrekla	meat*	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	depends how long it has in the sun	[21:56]
kakobrekla	anyway, some years at the future	[21:57]
kakobrekla	all will be same, just you will be pissed at other people	[21:57]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla bitbet ?	[21:57]
kakobrekla	only goes 1year	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	so then say this again later we see ? :D	[21:57]
kakobrekla	anytime	[21:57]
asciilifeform	incidentally, reserving signature for 'i approve this message' is braindamaged. should sign with comments like 'this line is ok unless goldbach's conjecture is proven false, then yer phucked' etc.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	;;ident kakobrekla	[21:57]
gribble	Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is not identified.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	ha! SCAEM	[21:58]
kakobrekla	sec	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform commenting the source code is never a bad idea.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	commenting it to show when it won't work rather than "what you imagine it does" is even more useful.	[21:59]
kakobrekla	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:29b32a6e9c213016f07aaf303a9adac1b91adf57541c8ff3d298f2fc	[21:59]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user kakobrekla with key 27AF75321F2489E8	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	people need a lot more negativity in their life to be happy and productive and members of society.	[21:59]
asciilifeform	^^^^	[21:59]
Plaxant	mircea_popescu agree, if you have no negativity in your life you skate and just don't care about doing better.	[22:00]
Plaxant	it's like trying to eliminate stress, never going to happen.	[22:00]
asciilifeform	and why did this have to wait for crackpot to ask for a printed satoshi turd, i wonder.	[22:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00073623 = 8.209 BTC [-]	[22:00]
bounce	I'd probably want a mailinglist to toss patches around, though	[22:00]
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asciilifeform	bounce: toss them around by carrier pigeon or catapult if you like. if they're signed, they're signed.	[22:01]
kakobrekla	yeah well i wonder why is anyone still connected to irc being all idealistic and shit	[22:02]
[]bot	Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/	[22:02]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: why is anyone still connected to irc << priced pigeons lately?	[22:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00073501 = 9.0039 BTC [-] {3}	[22:04]
jurov	i vote for patch delivery via ICBMs	[22:05]
kakobrekla	pigeons are more idealistic?!	[22:05]
asciilifeform	submarine.	[22:05]
kakobrekla	so, my point did not get across?	[22:06]
asciilifeform	;;google RFC 1149	[22:06]
gribble	RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian ...: ; IP over Avian Carriers (1149) - Wikipedia: ; RFC1149 avia - Internet FAQ Archives:	[22:06]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform cause it's how things run in this life.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	never underestimate the importance of crackpot demands.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla didn't, no. you're too dry for this language :)	[22:09]
thickasthieves	"US will monitor travelers for three weeks when arriving from Ebola-stricken countries" it begins...	[22:12]
bounce	nobody able to discern any change	[22:13]
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mircea_popescu	!up bradedwards	[22:14]
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kakobrekla	ircing on a broken sw stack running on a broken hw stack	[22:14]
kakobrekla	weird some nuke doesnt go off when i do !up	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yet./	[22:15]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: lol. if all the hatemail i got, on this specific theme, were to be printed, it would be as tall as my leg.	[22:16]
bradedwards	Hey room, I was told about you all by a friend of mine Mitch Callahan. He showed me Qntra, and I like your approach. Less corporate news, more honest. Less polished, mroe of the harsh truths the community needs to hear. Just wanted to stop by and voice my appreciation and support	[22:16]
asciilifeform	'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol'	[22:16]
kakobrekla	why 'hate' mail ?	[22:16]
aabtc	AdamIRAway Adlai aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur	[22:16]
kakobrekla	heh	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you got tall legs ?	[22:16]
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punkman	interesting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252674.0 https://blockchain.info/address/1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	bradedwards that's nice. now get in the wot ?	[22:16]
asciilifeform	reasonably.	[22:16]
assbot	First post and an interesting observation about ECDSA	[22:16]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh	[22:16]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,982.	[22:17]
bradedwards	the wot?	[22:17]
kakobrekla	its more of a 'truth' mail	[22:17]
kakobrekla	:D	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol' << pete got a bunch of that on his software doesn't fail recent thing too	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	;;google what the wot is, how it works and how to use it	[22:17]
gribble	How WOT ratings work \| Help Center \| WOT (Web of Trust): ; Why WOT works \| WOT (Web of Trust): ; What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un ...:	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets	[22:17]
gribble	start [bitcoin assets wiki]: ; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: ; Bitcoin fund launches - Futures:	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	bradedwards ^	[22:17]
kakobrekla	not the lamer part, but the x86.	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5432 @ 0.00073465 = 3.9906 BTC [-]	[22:18]
asciilifeform	we did talk about this.	[22:19]
kakobrekla	no need to rehash.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	!s bitsquatting	[22:19]
assbot	5 results for 'bitsquatting' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitsquatting	[22:19]
kakobrekla	ah that	[22:20]
kakobrekla	nvm	[22:20]
asciilifeform	^ re: the evil addr thing	[22:20]
asciilifeform	re: x86 << remember the stories of downed pilots dining on insects? that.	[22:21]
kakobrekla	myea	[22:21]
kakobrekla	dunno when the dignity kicks in	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	if you ended up stranded on the island of ugly women, you WOULD fuck ugly women, until they had some less ugly daughters to fuck	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	incest selection!	[22:22]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	then you'd make the two least ugly make out together, too.	[22:22]
kakobrekla	personal decision really.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	which is kinda what we're doing here.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla no homo ?	[22:23]
kakobrekla	no homo.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	nttawwi	[22:23]
kakobrekla	you can as well not fuck.	[22:24]
kakobrekla	and i mean anything.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	right. but you are here.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	you can as well not fuck << the perelman solution, yes.	[22:24]
kakobrekla	yup	[22:24]
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asciilifeform	i personally know fine folks who've perelmanned. e.g., al schwartz. i miss them, but understand.	[22:25]
kakobrekla	i guess he has the dignity.	[22:25]
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mircea_popescu	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nqnZJRUl4zU/TAz29K6wHXI/AAAAAAAADh8/W2G-zn0Sq3Y/s400/Meet+the+Tiger+Dog+Chinese+pet+owners+dye+pets+to+look+like+wild+animals+in+new+craze+1.jpg	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the dignity of virgins is a metaphysical subject.	[22:25]
kakobrekla	cool, i like meta.	[22:26]
bounce	tiger dogs. very chinese thing to do.	[22:29]
kakobrekla	only if they are eaten	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	assbot: NOT OK GOOGLE: Android images can conceal code The Register << steganography strikes again. hard as shit to filter.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/7t3Ow2A.png <<< lol this is just about right.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	hard as shit to filter << rigorously provably impossible.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	in the general case.	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00073632 = 6.5532 BTC [+] {2}	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	well sure, but the general case is uncommon :D	[22:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7492 @ 0.00073769 = 5.5268 BTC [+]	[22:32]
asciilifeform	obligatory: https://code.google.com/p/corkami <<<< and grep for 'polyglot'	[22:32]
assbot	corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting	[22:32]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: ikr	[22:33]
bounce	how do they manage to take a picture and end up feeding it to the package installer? o_O	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	because user friendly ?	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	pretty sure the paclkage manager handles pics on a routine basis	[22:34]
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bounce	then I'd say "user friendly" is the security vulnerability here	[22:34]
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mircea_popescu	well yes, idiot user is the vulnerability.	[22:35]
bounce	similarly with some of the vectors to use shell shock. how does a dns lookup request end up on the server being fed to a bash process, exactly?	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	that was biw.	[22:36]
*	othernubs` has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	;;ud biw	[22:36]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=biw \| Apr 28, 2012 ... biw. A common used phrase on the internet in the Netherlands. It means 'ben ik weer' - 'i'm back'. 'Biw, is er iets mis?' - 'Biw, is there something ...	[22:36]
asciilifeform	ultimately, looking for vulns in a system that doesn't fit in a head is rather like looking for particular health problems in a fresh corpse.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	mno. "because it works"	[22:36]
bounce	"idiot user" is too easily said. the real problem is lack of education and devs going "oh we'll make the software SMRT so you don't have to think at all!"	[22:37]
asciilifeform	for idiot users - idiot vulns. for clever users - clever ones. to each - his own.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	bounce you mayhap have a point. iirc this vuln was writing past the end tag and adding a 2nd spurious end tag.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	could have been used to exploit say tar just as well.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	so not really user's fault in any sense. bad parsers.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	$depth S.QNTR	[22:41]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=86 Or use a valid MPSIC!	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	$depth S.MPOE	[22:41]
empyex	mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Bids: 13705 @ 0.00073465 27750 @ 0.00073452 14087 @ 0.00073449 13975 @ 0.00073433	[22:41]
empyex	mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Asks: 3774 @ 0.00073585 2768 @ 0.00073769 40436 @ 0.00074160 5200 @ 0.00074177	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	FabianB any idea why it doesn't like qntr ?	[22:42]
kakobrekla	prolly nothing the the your feed	[22:42]
kakobrekla	-the	[22:42]
kakobrekla	wtf	[22:42]
kakobrekla	i cant even type	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php << it's there.	[22:42]
kakobrekla	!t m s.qntr	[22:43]
kakobrekla	emmm	[22:43]
assbot	Some are born to endless night.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	well no tickers it never traded yt	[22:43]
mod6	mpex seems down for me.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	$proxies	[22:43]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[22:43]
kakobrekla	!t m s.mpoe	[22:43]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073465 / 0.00073821 / 0.0007416 (1074379 shares, 793.12 BTC), 7D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073847 / 0.00074252 (7160396 shares, 5,287.81 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.0007424 / 0.00075684 (26086000 shares, 19,366.28 BTC)	[22:43]
mod6	lemme check.biz	[22:44]
kakobrekla	that werks	[22:44]
empyex	mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.co (94 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (446 milliseconds), mpex.ws (4839 milliseconds), mpex.biz (error), mpex.bz (error)	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes becasuse s.mpoe traded.	[22:44]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √	[22:44]
mod6	huh	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	;;isup mpex.ws	[22:44]
gribble	mpex.ws is up	[22:44]
mod6	hmm. i can't get to any of 'em, maybe i r blocked	[22:44]
kakobrekla	yes i understand, i was just checking if there something wrong with the feed when mod6 mentioned 'down'	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	;;isup mpex.biz	[22:44]
jurov	bz/biz up here	[22:44]
gribble	mpex.biz is up	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	mod6 possibly a dns isasue ? nobody;'s blocked.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	pls to check for cache poisonings!	[22:45]
mod6	hmm. ill see.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	and let me know	[22:45]
*	assbot removes voice from bradedwards	[22:45]
kakobrekla	im listening to some french dude and can hardly assemble sentences at same time	[22:45]
kakobrekla	doesnt happen with englishmen	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	maybe he's a rapper ?	[22:46]
bounce	how about trying to assemble french sentences?	[22:46]
kakobrekla	takes too much brainpower to parse and decrypt frenchmen	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	this is how they went from world empire to belgian suburb.	[22:47]
diametric	http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/21/investing/warren-buffett-berkshire-lost-2-billion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2	[22:48]
assbot	Warren Buffett's Berkshire loses $2 billion in two days - Oct. 21, 2014	[22:48]
diametric	lolz.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	o noes ?!	[22:48]
kakobrekla	no link to bitbet?	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	llol	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	cnn is a libtard venue i read somewhere.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	but i mean big fucking deal, when bitcoin went from 1200 to 600 i "lost" like a bn too.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	no link to bitbet << It Would Be Wrong! (TM)	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	But it's not all bad news for Berkshire. Investors are sticking with their icon. Berkshire stock climbed slightly on Monday and Tuesday, and is up more than 17% this year -- far outpacing the broader market. <<< consider this lulz.	[22:52]
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mircea_popescu	ko missed, tesco lost 50% yoy, ibm just paid a bn to gut itself. so now it's basically a real estate agent (as previously discussed, in these very logs, before the news hit)	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	yet the berkshire stock is... up. because logics.	[22:52]
undata	"sticking with their icon" captures it	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	so i guess we'll be... sticking it to them ?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	with their iron ?	[22:53]
mike_c	berkshire isn't a holding company.	[22:54]
mike_c	or, an investment fund.	[22:54]
mike_c	couple stock holdings taking a hit isn't that big a deal	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	how isn't it a holding company ?!	[22:55]
mike_c	s/holding company/investment fund/	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	ah	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	if it loses the usg bezzle lifeline (wf) it's gonna be "all" rather than "some" tho.	[22:56]
mike_c	your FUD won't win you that bitbet ;)	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[22:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073459 = 7.0888 BTC [-] {2}	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i wonder if his continued purchases as the stock market goes down indicate that the bonds will get axed or that he's out of the loop	[22:58]
BingoBoingo	;;isup qntra.net	[22:59]
mike_c	berkshire wells fargo holdings are currently worth $24B	[22:59]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	look at that, dow is only down 1.5% today	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	nowai again ?!	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	Again	[23:00]
mike_c	which represents 7% of brk.a market cap	[23:00]
mike_c	plus he would get good tax benefits if it went to 0	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo there's a dns issue in progress.	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	Ah, ic	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	can you reach it via ip ?	[23:01]
mike_c	warren has a fortress. not easily assailable.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	mike_c except if the dow continues doing 1-2 percents a day for the next three months.	[23:01]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform iirc you mentioned some skin irritation/allergies and the lack of those in ro?	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	IP Address 127.0.0.1 - 149,233 other sites hosted on this server per http://whois.domaintools.com/qntra.net	[23:02]
mike_c	last 3 months: dow -5%, brk +7%	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo dns poisoned!	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	I dunno just quoting site that calls itself "domain tools"	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	the 127.0.0.1 may simply be a historical record	[23:02]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: yes. i've a year-round allergy from 1993 or so to present time, with small break during trip to Ro	[23:02]
kakobrekla	at least now _we_ know the cause.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/JUFBdyyp << that's how dns response should look	[23:03]
assbot	;; QUESTION SECTION: ;qntra.net.INA ;; ANSWER SECTION: qntra.net.0IN - Pastebin.com	[23:03]
gribble	Error: "QUESTION" is not a valid command.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo 127.0.0.1 is localhost.	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	Website works	[23:03]
mike_c	*** google-public-dns-a.google.com can't find qntra.net: Server failed	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	there's some sort of dns attax at work.	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I know local host, but didn't qntra.net point there at one point?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo not recently tho	[23:04]
bounce	SERVFAIL. oopsie.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	da fuck.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	well, until i hear any better this is neither malicious nor qntra/polimedia ns specific.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	some dns infrastructure just caught fire and fell over it seems	[23:05]
mike_c	yeah, your nameservers	[23:05]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	mike_c no, because they answer me.	[23:05]
bounce	you may have a local cache that hasn't timed out yet	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[23:06]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform its x86.	[23:06]
bounce	what was that across-the-globe dns thingy again?	[23:06]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: the cause << lol, berkshire?	[23:07]
mike_c	nslookup qntra.net 206.190.151.180	[23:07]
Apocalyptic	bounce, https://www.whatsmydns.net/ ?	[23:07]
assbot	Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?	[23:07]
mike_c	Server failed	[23:07]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform x86, transmittable over irc	[23:07]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: loltron. nah, we had an 'iskra' (8086 clone originally built for soviet tanks.) so no dice.	[23:07]
kakobrekla	well viruses and bacteria evolve.	[23:08]
bounce	yes, thanks. broken everywhere.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	yeah it's broken.	[23:09]
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*	Kushed_ is now known as Kushed	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18492 @ 0.00073708 = 13.6301 BTC [+] {3}	[23:15]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno how the fuck i keep getting spam then, hesus.	[23:24]
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cazalla	qntra down eh	[23:30]
*	AdamIRAway has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	cazalla some dns issue i dunno wtf it is but being workt on	[23:30]
*	empyex has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:32]
asciilifeform	does nubs have a deturdified bitcoind src?	[23:32]
*	empyex (~mpextrade@unaffiliated/mpextradebot) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:32]
*	ChanServ gives voice to empyex	[23:32]
*	assbot gives voice to FabianB	[23:33]
jurov	mkay...so is there a consensus what should therealbitcoin host? only http git repo for now?	[23:34]
kakobrekla	host the real altcoin?	[23:34]
kakobrekla	i make a joke see	[23:34]
bounce	oh. ha ha. so, [x] laughed. next item.	[23:35]
mike_c	in short order it will be hosting the charter i assume.	[23:35]
kakobrekla	jurov is gonna get ddosed	[23:35]
asciilifeform	i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect.	[23:36]
FabianB	$depth S.QNTR	[23:37]
empyex	FabianB: [S.QNTR] Bids: 1000 @ 0.00014000 10000 @ 0.00013514 20000 @ 0.00012995 100000 @ 0.00009995	[23:37]
empyex	FabianB: [S.QNTR] Asks:	[23:37]
asciilifeform	-- and that way the www site can be 100 percent static.	[23:37]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed	[23:38]
FabianB	$mpexstatus	[23:38]
empyex	FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.biz Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[23:38]
empyex	FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.coinbr.com (706 milliseconds), mpex.co (947 milliseconds), mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error), mpex.biz (error)	[23:38]
empyex	FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: ✗	[23:38]
jurov	okay, so i'll go make s3 bucket for it. if someone throws terabytes/day on it and makes it expensive for me then we'll see what next	[23:39]
kakobrekla	depth up vwap down ??	[23:39]
kakobrekla	well it doesnt need to be up at all times	[23:40]
kakobrekla	just that host doesnt kick you	[23:40]
FabianB	jurov: mircea_popescu: why is http://mpex.co/mpex-vwap.php and http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-vwap.php different?	[23:40]
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kakobrekla	cause one is coinbr	[23:41]
kakobrekla	and the other is mpex	[23:41]
kakobrekla	:)	[23:41]
jurov	FabianB: mircea asked for it to be cached	[23:41]
FabianB	ic, so coinbr is older	[23:41]
jurov	so it is 5 mins or so.	[23:41]
*	PeterL (~peterl@99-36-242-186.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073942 = 6.9505 BTC [+]	[23:41]
FabianB	jurov: but http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php and http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-vwap.php look identical	[23:42]
FabianB	jurov: is vwap and depth mixed up?	[23:42]
jurov	obv they aren't cached/invalidated at the same time	[23:42]
FabianB	jurov: no, coinbr vwap.php shows mktdepth.php content	[23:43]
jurov	ahhh	[23:43]
FabianB	that's why mpexstatus shows vwap as being broken i think	[23:43]
FabianB	it only checks the health indicator line for the first proxy (fastest ping proxy), which above was coinbr proxy	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed < ty!	[23:44]
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mircea_popescu	oh interesting huh	[23:45]
asciilifeform	i dare suggest a simple antisp4mz0r filter for mailing list - only messages signed from +v #b-a folks accepted.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	what, just like deeds registrar ?	[23:45]
kakobrekla	bitbet - worst support ever!	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	so basically... deeds-based mail list ?	[23:45]
asciilifeform	aha.	[23:46]
kakobrekla	just like asciilifeform slaves in the us i must talk to strangers over email :(	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla at least you don;t have to moderate for child porn.	[23:47]
kakobrekla	yet	[23:47]
kakobrekla	i was assbot the other day	[23:47]
kakobrekla	recall that?	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	oh	[23:47]
asciilifeform	i should clarify, not literal +v, incl. 'up' folks. the magic 29 pubkeys.	[23:48]
asciilifeform	will work, fleanode or no fleanode	[23:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00073942 = 3.845 BTC [+]	[23:49]
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kakobrekla	better than ignoring the sender would be making the sender unable to send in the first place.	[23:50]
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mircea_popescu	gotta start somewhere	[23:52]
asciilifeform	i confess that i rather like the mailing list idea. readily convertible to 'apocalyptic' shortwave radio...	[23:53]
bounce	shortwave radio mailing lists? o_O?	[23:54]
*	assbot gives voice to PeterL	[23:54]
asciilifeform	if you can get a signed gibblet in, by land, by sea, by pigeon - and signature is one of the chosen - message is in next broadcast. 'cheap and angry' - like 'mpex' et al.	[23:54]
*	bounce would like bitcoin address-signed mail. if you're going ahead with the signage requirement, lemme see if I can whip up a verifier for that.	[23:55]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. <<< what a fucking cunt	[23:55]
*	assbot gives voice to nubbins`	[23:55]
Apocalyptic	"bitcoin address-signed mail" // meh, what's wrong with gpg keys ?	[23:55]
asciilifeform	bad enough that btc uses ecdsa. i rather wish it were something that could be discouraged, rather than we were to depend yet more on it.	[23:56]
BingoBoingo	^ this	[23:56]
Apocalyptic	^	[23:56]
bounce	the email signage is clunky. both kinds. all kinds, really.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[23:56]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[23:56]
bounce	the ecdsa stuff is short enough to fit conveniently in a header or two	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	okay. i have nfi what happened there, but rolled new dns servers and all seems well ?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	bounce what'd be the benefit ?	[23:57]
asciilifeform	bounce: re: short & convenient ecdsa keys << 'the easy cheese lives - in the mousetrap.'	[23:57]
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nubbins`	someone more familiar with github than I should probably set up the repository	[23:58]
nubbins`	just clone 0.5.3 into it for now and we can identify what gets chucked from there	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	wow the oiriginal nubbins!	[23:58]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, I think jurov is on it	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	hey listen we had an impostor here for days	[23:58]
bounce	no ugly as fuck crap added to the body, basically. proper integration with email by using its facilities instead of reinventing them, clunkily.	[23:58]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu am i even better in person?!	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	it was like... let's string him along guyse	[23:58]
nubbins`	mp i hope you tricked him into thinking he was gonna print a bunch of stuff	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	bounce i was talking about "sign with bitcoin address"	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` no, asciilifeform did that.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	it was a riot, you shoulda seen	[23:59]
nubbins`	heh	[23:59]
bounce	and so was I	[23:59]
nubbins`	imagine!	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	bounce i do not use an "email client" that's gpg able	[23:59]
BingoBoingo	My worry with ECDSA for signing critical things is using the same keypair too many times increases the chances a bad k can enter the mix	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	nor do i think it's a half -good idea.	[23:59]

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