Forum logs for 22 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	danielpbarron: you will end up with something roughly like http://i.imgur.com/d2ivsPk.jpg?1	[00:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FcfzYf )	[00:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00038107 = 14.595 BTC [-]	[00:01]
danielpbarron	ordering a few of these things now; i needed to get some other stuff anyway / added to order	[00:01]
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danielpbarron	!up adam_obrien	[00:05]
*	assbot gives voice to adam_obrien	[00:05]
adam_obrien	Thanks danielpbarron	[00:06]
danielpbarron	is this you? https://twitter.com/adamobie	[00:06]
assbot	Adam O'Brien (@Adamobie) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcgKXz )	[00:06]
adam_obrien	Yes that is me	[00:06]
danielpbarron	and nice job already getting in the WoT before joining :D	[00:07]
danielpbarron	or rather, registering with assbot / you're not in the WoT yet	[00:07]
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decimation	asciilifeform: apparently the CIA has infinite leeway to do whatever it wants, as long is it can claim that some kind of secret is at stake	[00:08]
adam_obrien	Thats right. A friend of mine will up me later.	[00:08]
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adam_obrien	I am registered with assbot and gribble	[00:08]
danielpbarron	who's your friend?	[00:08]
asciilifeform	decimation: just demonstrating that d1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!! is not the root password to usg	[00:08]
adam_obrien	Not sure his username. He is the one that got me on here	[00:09]
danielpbarron	oh, i bet it's pete	[00:09]
adam_obrien	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski	[00:09]
assbot	Pete Dushenski (@pete_dushenski) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1FchwUk )	[00:09]
adam_obrien	It sure is :)	[00:09]
adam_obrien	Small world	[00:10]
danielpbarron	ding ding! :D	[00:10]
adam_obrien	Haha ding ding indeed! I have to run.	[00:10]
decimation	nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power	[00:10]
adam_obrien	Glad everything is set up and verified! I had a whale of a time doing so	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	wait. adam_obrien ?	[00:11]
adam_obrien	yes?	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	are you the obrien of 1984 fame ? :D	[00:11]
adam_obrien	Hhaha, I wish. Unfortunately I wasn't around then so it couldn't have been me	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	aite	[00:12]
danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.adam_obrien.1:16a107bffd732882d64be75907707e8fe8803d1ac2313935c1131479ca3b5744	[00:12]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for adam_obrien with note: Comes prepared.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	mike_c whai u no gpg ?	[00:13]
adam_obrien	Thanks, again Daniel.	[00:13]
mike_c	gpg what?	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	the pastebin	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	google indexes that shit.	[00:13]
mike_c	i made it unlisted, but it will get the link from b-a log..	[00:14]
mike_c	yeah, my mistake.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	no biggie. just needs repeating till ppl get in habit	[00:14]
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decimation	adam_obrien: do you work for those bitcoin atm folks?	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: this one might not need soldering? << really, it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste, whatever.	[00:17]
adam_obrien	I own bitcoin solutions (www.btcsolutions.ca) we operate some Bitcoin ATMs as well as a margin trading platform	[00:17]
danielpbarron	i can get it soldered, i just thought that unit might have been a good fit for people without access to one	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	didn't the atms recently get shut down or is that a different country ?	[00:17]
adam_obrien	Hmmm. I haven't heard that. I think they are having issues in Russia. But in Canada everything is all good :)	[00:18]
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mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/	[00:18]
assbot	Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1XOvJ )	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	mebbe not.	[00:18]
decimation	do you have a relationship with those cavirtex guys?	[00:19]
adam_obrien	Ah - Quebec is on it's own. They operate by their own rules for some strange reason	[00:19]
adam_obrien	We are fully compliant with Fintrac (Canada's Fincen) and are operating under MSB license rules	[00:19]
adam_obrien	I don't. I have never liked cavirtex and haven't used them since there was other options	[00:20]
adam_obrien	I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca	[00:21]
decimation	unfortunately it seems that here in the us there is much less clarity about how to be 'fully legal'	[00:21]
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decimation	interesting it looks like they use this exchange https://www.quadrigacx.com/	[00:22]
assbot	Quadriga Coin Exchange \| Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcl1u5 )	[00:22]
danielpbarron	asciilifeform, http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << this is correct? or did you say it needed fixing?	[00:25]
assbot	JTAG on PogoPlug. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FclJHD )	[00:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62879 @ 0.00038107 = 23.9613 BTC [-]	[00:41]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << great work! & thanks for posting a tarball.	[00:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74345 @ 0.00037325 = 27.7493 BTC [-] {4}	[00:44]
mike_c	btcalpha, never more than six months late. http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/	[00:45]
assbot	S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcq4ul )	[00:45]
mike_c	i'm a fan, but that stock price! idk.	[00:46]
thestringpuller	funny what a little demand will do to the price of something	[00:47]
danielpbarron	so write something!	[00:47]
mike_c	what, write another article saying what the price should be? I already did that.	[00:47]
thestringpuller	write an article for qntra	[00:48]
thestringpuller	to acquire shares	[00:48]
mike_c	oh	[00:48]
mike_c	yeah, i have.	[00:48]
mike_c	but i was more thinking i should borrow shares from a founder and short it.	[00:48]
danielpbarron	oh, hah	[00:48]
mike_c	maybe a bitbet would be interesting.	[00:48]
thestringpuller	if you can return my shares to me I'd loan some :P	[00:50]
mike_c	I don't think we'd have the same quantity or timeframe in mind.	[00:51]
thestringpuller	:P	[00:55]
thestringpuller	mike_c: you realize there aren't enough shares to push down the bids right now?	[00:56]
thestringpuller	"This brings the total shares issued to 158`788"	[00:57]
mike_c	yeah, i know	[00:57]
mike_c	a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares?	[00:57]
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thestringpuller	ya	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	!up kyuupichan	[01:05]
-assbot-	You voiced kyuupichan for 30 minutes.	[01:05]
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badon	bagels7 BananaLotus beetcoin Belxjander ben_vulpes bertani BigBitz bitspill BlueMatt bounce	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	mike_c 158k includes whole shebang, 50% are issued, i'd guess 20-30k more likely for either cazalla or bingo	[01:06]
mike_c	;;calc 158000 / 6	[01:07]
gribble	26333.3333333	[01:07]
mike_c	^ that should just be what they have from being owners, no?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	however, betting against qntra being worth w/e, 5 btc ? seems insanity.	[01:07]
mike_c	plus whatever they get for being authors	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	mike_c the 50% owner's chunk you can't acquire tho.	[01:08]
mike_c	ah, yeah. i'm not saying qntra is currently worth more than 45 btc.	[01:09]
mike_c	*isn't	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	anyway jurov may be able to write you a contract, seeing how he probably has a large chunk	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	!t m s.qntr	[01:09]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 / 0.00028529 (22381 shares, 6.39 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025036 / 0.00028529 (50436 shares, 12.63 BTC)	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.00025036 * 158788	[01:10]
gribble	39.75416368	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	40ish, like 8k ?	[01:10]
thestringpuller	damn. where did all these bids come from?	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	pretty good support huh	[01:11]
mike_c	i'm saying the stock price is too high, not the market cap.	[01:11]
mike_c	it gets weird with qntra.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you can't be sayin that.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	it's a nonsense statement, "mkt cap is fine, stock price too high"	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	moreover, ;;calc 0.00025036 * 250	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.00025036 * 250	[01:12]
gribble	0.06259	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	too high as compared to what	[01:12]
thestringpuller	^- wow so this is average price of qntra article?	[01:12]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.06259 * 245	[01:12]
gribble	15.33455	[01:12]
thestringpuller	notbad.jpg	[01:12]
mike_c	too high as compared to the discounted future cash flow.	[01:12]
thestringpuller	you could say the same for changetip :P	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	heh, let him say it @fb lol	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i suspek jurov is perhaps in the best position to write you a short of some kind.	[01:14]
thestringpuller	mike_c: do you not see stock price as measurement of "value of eyeballs watching"	[01:15]
mike_c	i see the stock price right now as one of two things.	[01:15]
mike_c	nevermind, i don't even want to get into it.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	i dun think 8k buys one anything like a qntra, tbh.	[01:16]
mike_c	or a qntra.	[01:16]
mike_c	obviously, since you can't buy the company for 8k.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	well, in the sense apple coudl buy russia	[01:16]
mike_c	all you can buy is a few shares. at an inflated price.	[01:16]
mike_c	geezus, my fucking blood pressure today.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	lol wait, this is anger inducing /	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	dun mind me then, i was merely conversin'.	[01:17]
mike_c	who knows. lots of straws on the camel back today.	[01:17]
cazalla	mircea_popescu is right on that ball park figure	[01:18]
danielpbarron	i thought it seemed high too, but i'm not in a rush to sell my 204 shares, so...	[01:18]
mike_c	in a lot of public companies the market cap is related to what you could acquire the whole company for.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	i think you at least theoreitcally could make a buyout offer.	[01:18]
mike_c	this is more and less true for different companies, but generally it's the ballpark.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	obviously, management doesn't HAVE TO sell.	[01:19]
mike_c	yeah, but, buyer would have to hire bingo & cazalla to keep running it	[01:19]
mike_c	and pay writers	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	conceivably they could run it as it runs now, which brings us to the point :	[01:20]
mike_c	it's like a very early stage startup, you really can't just buy the whole thing yet because the founders are so critical	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	ie, control and ownership are really separate concerns.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you wouldn't need to hire them specifically, but you would need someone. and as there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits...	[01:21]
mike_c	this is the whole point, right? people tried to make news sites and they sucked.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	right.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	kinda interesting discussion of value creation tbh.	[01:21]
mike_c	it's not like the domain is worth anything. so it is unbuyable, and the market cap is not related to its worth yet.	[01:21]
decimation	;;isitdown qntra.net	[01:22]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[01:22]
mike_c	hehe	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	but your point seems self contradictory to me. on one hand, oh, this is irreplaceable, on the other, oh, this is not worth its market value	[01:22]
mike_c	sell!	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	lol!	[01:22]
thestringpuller	and its down! haha	[01:22]
thestringpuller	it's had good uptime recently. despite being attacked.	[01:22]
thestringpuller	which is odd given it is a baby.	[01:22]
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thestringpuller	"squelch the truth"	[01:22]
thestringpuller	!up adam_obrien	[01:23]
decimation	eh, something is worth exactly what its mutually agreed purchase price is	[01:23]
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decimation	all else is speculation	[01:23]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: it's because you are thinking of what the company is worth, not a share. For many companies this is a simple calculation. not so for qntra.	[01:23]
mike_c	because dilution. for the next year, massive dilution.	[01:24]
decimation	mike_c: how would you evaluate the 'worth' of a company? ben graham?	[01:24]
mike_c	decimation: like so. http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/	[01:24]
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decimation	well, I would assume that the policy of share dilution would end at some point, and would not approach infinity	[01:25]
mike_c	it doesn't approach infinity	[01:26]
mike_c	dilution drops off as a matter of %	[01:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00036704 = 18.0217 BTC [-]	[01:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00036925 = 10.6529 BTC [+]	[01:29]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: so I was getting beer with Pierre_Rochard the other night, and got on the topic of off "blockchain solutions" in relation to derps wanting to buy coffee on blockchain. so eventually came to realization MPEx can do what Coinbase does but better. PUSH is free of charge, so in theory persons with MPEX accounts could make payment processing network with various bank thingies. they take derps money, put in mpex, and	[01:31]
thestringpuller	MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee (and yes one day also pigs may fly)	[01:32]
mike_c	anyway, i'm a qntra fanboy for the record. g'nite all!	[01:34]
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danielpbarron	and with cardano, they can do it safely from any internet cafe	[01:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00035807 = 5.3557 BTC [-]	[01:35]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: correct? << nononononono. 1) you want serial, not jtag 2) the jtag in my photo is wrong	[01:35]
danielpbarron	these are different things?	[01:35]
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asciilifeform	yes!	[01:36]
asciilifeform	entirely different	[01:36]
danielpbarron	i don't need jtag though, right?	[01:36]
asciilifeform	jtag is a protocol for directly reading/flipping bits in the cpu, eeprom, ram.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	it is very spiffy but you probably don't have the required machine to connect to it	[01:36]
asciilifeform	you want the serial.	[01:37]
danielpbarron	i should have something tuesday	[01:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste << Nnn-o. conductive glue is a -waste of time and money- unless you're making cheapo resistors	[01:38]
decimation	I bought my ttl-level serial/usb converter on ebay	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	;;LATER TELL mike_c but logically a share can not be differently worth from mktcap/sharecount.	[01:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	this is like telling me that a dollar's not worth 1/100 of a hundred dollars.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	phriends don't let phriends conductive glue. it just sucks.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	(and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter... a) in fact qntra is set to have MUCH LESS dilution than absolutely ANY start-up.	[01:39]
decimation	the 'proper' solution would probably be to solder the 1mm pin headers you mention in your photos and then use a ribbon cable with pin-header plugs	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	the qntra dilution argument is similar to the bitcoin inflation argument, saying something like "bitcoin is set to inflate at a fixed rate, fiat currenciesa are not"	[01:39]
asciilifeform	mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	pity he left.	[01:40]
decimation	re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller this theory is in fact long standing practice, it's just that the derps filling up the www with their words don't know what they don't know	[01:41]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he's making a poc, for himself, as the first thing. he can solder later if he can't solder now	[01:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if can't solder this, should ask a friend. it is a first class bitch to debug pogo w/out a serial console	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	glue omg!	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	you have never used glue ?	[01:42]
asciilifeform	have	[01:42]
asciilifeform	to my grief.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	so then stop bitching lol	[01:42]
asciilifeform	good way to make a resistor randomly between 100k and 1Mohm	[01:43]
decimation	asciilifeform: are the pogo serial port 'holes' filled with solder?	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	for this application! not for treating his blepharospasm	[01:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you actually used conductive flue and didn't regret ? where ?	[01:43]
asciilifeform	*glue	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	in one off sort of applications like this.	[01:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: they were on my unit	[01:44]
asciilifeform	anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...	[01:44]
decimation	yeah soldering really isn't that hard, and this is good practice	[01:45]
asciilifeform	for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os	[01:45]
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asciilifeform	and in particular, in ways liable to render it unbootable	[01:45]
decimation	speaking of which, did you see the apple macbookpro recall ascii?	[01:46]
asciilifeform	nope	[01:46]
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*	danielpbarron hasn't bricked on yet, thankfully	[01:46]
asciilifeform	(don't have any here, either)	[01:46]
danielpbarron	one*	[01:46]
thestringpuller	"/u/thestringpuller has helped pay for 216.25 minutes of reddit server time." << badges now cause reddit can't pay the bills. derped into socialism...	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	how much is 216 minutes cost ?	[01:46]
thestringpuller	apparently 1 reddit gold...	[01:46]
danielpbarron	reddit is like reverse qntra	[01:47]
decimation	http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/02/apple-launches-repair-program-for-longstanding-2011-macbook-pro-gpu-problems/ << apparently it was in response to a lawsuit	[01:47]
assbot	Apple launches repair program for longstanding 2011 MacBook Pro GPU problems \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzKShD )	[01:47]
danielpbarron	"in soviet reddit, you pay them to write!"	[01:47]
decimation	the lawsuit alleges (based on what evidence?) that the gpus on the macbook pros would heat too rapidly for the lead-free solder, and would thermally shock it, causing cracks	[01:48]
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asciilifeform	decimation: notice that this has been ongoing since 2007	[02:02]
asciilifeform	on all machines featuring nvidia gpu	[02:02]
asciilifeform	i had half a dozen die in precisely this way on my watch.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	usually a month or two after warranty expiration.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	(to clarify: all portable machines)	[02:03]
asciilifeform	and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free.	[02:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3307 @ 0.00035807 = 1.1841 BTC [-]	[02:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.	[02:10]
asciilifeform	well, not merely circular, but self-referential in any form	[02:11]
asciilifeform	they will not get collected - ever.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	because - elementarily - reference count never nulls!	[02:11]
asciilifeform	hence the david moon anecdote.	[02:11]
jurov	thestringpuller: MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee << lawl	[02:11]
asciilifeform	jurov: last i checked, they are already able to buy coffee, lol	[02:11]
asciilifeform	MPEx may one day -prohibit- redditards from buying coffee!	[02:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00036925 = 4.431 BTC [+]	[02:13]
jurov	;;later tell mike_c most qntra shares in coinbr custody was claimed and afaik sold already. And I promised 14 day delivery of the rest on request, so prolly not what you want	[02:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:14]
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asciilifeform	the apple gpu thing is a true plague	[02:25]
asciilifeform	and the repairs -are a scam-	[02:25]
asciilifeform	they give you a board with the same ticking bomb	[02:25]
asciilifeform	whatdidjathink, they'd run a one-off with leaded solder just for you?	[02:26]
asciilifeform	because of some lawsuit ?	[02:26]
asciilifeform	and the comments on the article are blood-boiling	[02:26]
asciilifeform	'who cares about 4 y.o. machines'	[02:27]
asciilifeform	i buy hardware, it is expected to last for 15-20 yrs.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	if it doesn't - that is to say, doesn't match fucking 1980s state of the art - it's a turd.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	and should be sold to coprophagiacs specially labeled.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	it was precisely the gpu thing that cured me of the 'omg only apple knows how to make Quality Hardware' (tm)	[02:29]
asciilifeform	and not only gpu;	[02:29]
asciilifeform	colleague of mine bought a $3k 'macbook' a few mo. ago	[02:29]
asciilifeform	the screen developed a hairline crack right in front of my eyes	[02:30]
asciilifeform	apple wouldn't refund.	[02:30]
asciilifeform	'it was something you did'	[02:30]
asciilifeform	and sure, he could join a class-action and possibly get $10 seven years later.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	big fucking whoop.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	the 'secret' is that no one is making quality hardware. but apple is the most egregious sc4mz0r, for continuing to maintain the pretense.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	on the strength of a reputation that has long been entirely, thoroughly baseless.	[02:32]
jurov	i once won a free ipod mini from ibm...that thing recharged longer than played	[02:33]
thestringpuller	jurov: ah the nightly recharge of the ipod	[02:33]
thestringpuller	makes me think of high school. charging that thing each night	[02:33]
thestringpuller	before school.	[02:34]
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asciilifeform	'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good indicator that there was some	[02:36]
asciilifeform	thing fundamentally wrong.'	[02:36]
asciilifeform	^ thoroughly typical	[02:36]
asciilifeform	for the record, it is very important to understand why folks put up with this.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	it is specifically, and entirely,	[02:36]
asciilifeform	to avoid winblows.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	i suspect that a sizable majority of apple users, if offered the choice between using winblows and being buggered with a thermos, complete with handle, every night,	[02:37]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: are you familiar with giant douche vs turd sandwich?	[02:37]
asciilifeform	would take the thermos smiling	[02:37]
asciilifeform	and without hesitation.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: ?	[02:38]
asciilifeform	i imagine it's an archetypical 'good cop/bad cop' duo	[02:38]
thestringpuller	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd << no its essentially having to choose between giant douche or turd sandwich	[02:38]
asciilifeform	!s fork in the eye	[02:39]
assbot	3 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i have no idea what that is. what's a reddit gold ? a dollar ? 2 ? 10 ?	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	!up chatquack	[02:40]
-assbot-	You voiced chatquack without time-limit.	[02:40]
*	assbot gives voice to chatquack	[02:40]
*	chatquack wabes	[02:40]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: 30 bucks for a year	[02:40]
*	asciilifeform chatquack wabes << gyres and gymbles	[02:41]
thestringpuller	or 4 bucks a month	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but you dunno to begin with wtf data strcutres its gonna have.	[02:41]
chatquack	pours mircea_popescu some honey mead	[02:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is correct	[02:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: on systems with reference-counting, users are normally barred from directly manipulating cons cells	[02:42]
asciilifeform	which would be, on such systems, the only means for crafting a self-referential data structure	[02:42]
asciilifeform	mega-lulz when they pop the hood and succeed anyway	[02:42]
asciilifeform	creating eternal turds that never get collected	[02:42]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: looks like I provided 4 bucks.	[02:43]
thestringpuller	wait nvm 30	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> to avoid winblows. << it could be because they don't givew so much of a shit about the money. if he/she could afford a pointless masters,	[02:43]
thestringpuller	:(	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	they can afford a pointless "repair"	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc 302460 / 216 * 30	[02:43]
gribble	6000	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller reddit runs out of 6k a month worth of servers ? impressive if true.	[02:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money. talk to a 30+ year apple user. the kind that stuck to it 'through thick and thin'	[02:44]
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asciilifeform	it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what	[02:44]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I wouln'dt be surprised cause shits always going down.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	chatquack i just went through home made cherry brandy, im full up on sweet liquor	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so i fail to see how "reference counting" is any sort of anything resembling a solution nor c etc demented for not having it.	[02:46]
chatquack	Oh I bet! Sounds tasty though	[02:46]
asciilifeform	c doesn't do the garbage collection thing at all	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	well cause it can't be fucking done.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	i can follow that logic there. "for ten cents we can't be bothered, write your own damned card"	[02:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: beg to differ. there are very good algos for garbage collection with hard real-time guarantees. they are complicated and i know of no system other than common lisp where they are implemented with any quality.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	so there you go.	[02:47]
asciilifeform	typically one has multiple levels of storage for objects with different ranges of expected lifetime	[02:48]
asciilifeform	e.g. a 'nursery'	[02:48]
asciilifeform	from which objs are promoted, optionally	[02:48]
asciilifeform	etc	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	i think you see my point. well "my". porobably the oldest point in computing.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	the ultimate mega-death-star reference work on the subject is 'garbage collection algorithms for automatic dynamic memory management' (r. jones & r. d. lins)	[02:49]
asciilifeform	^^^^^ recommended	[02:49]
asciilifeform	to anyone who gives half a fuck	[02:49]
asciilifeform	in fact, i dare say it is the only good work on the subject in dead tree.	[02:50]
asciilifeform	but yes, garbage collection will have a terrible reputation for at least another half century on account of the state-of-the-art half a century ago when john mccarthy invented it, 'stop the world'	[02:50]
asciilifeform	literally, like keeping two flats, occasionally taking useful objects from one to the other, then setting off dynamite in the old flat.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	'stop the world' is also called 'semispace'	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	everything should be dereferenced every 1337th instruction	[02:51]
asciilifeform	!s semispace	[02:51]
assbot	3 results for 'semispace' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=semispace	[02:51]
asciilifeform	^ we did it	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	that way, it defnitely fits in head.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	l0l	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	"how long is a program ?" "that depends. on 64 bit registers, roughly 21kb	[02:52]
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asciilifeform	i'll add that neither 'mark and sweep' (stop-the-world in its basic form) nor 'reference counting' are necessary on a dataflow machine	[02:55]
asciilifeform	where you can determine precisely what objects are live simply by... forming electric circuit (yes) from the root node	[02:55]
asciilifeform	and whoever 'lights up' is live.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[02:56]
asciilifeform	!s spaghetti sort	[02:56]
assbot	1 results for 'spaghetti sort' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spaghetti+sort	[02:56]
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asciilifeform	^^^ wtf!!!! stemming is back!	[02:57]
asciilifeform	die stemming, die	[02:57]
asciilifeform	http://everything2.com/title/spaghetti+sort	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	how is it stemmed ?	[02:57]
assbot	spaghetti sort - Everything2.com ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLhXC )	[02:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: look at the result	[02:57]
asciilifeform	does the string 'spaghetti sort' occur in it ?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	sort-of ? that's proper break	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	but it never was strict sting, it was boith words.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	you want quotes.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	!s 'spaghetti sort'	[02:58]
assbot	1 results for ''spaghetti sort'' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%27spaghetti+sort%27	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	!s "spaghetti sort"	[02:58]
asciilifeform	aha	[02:58]
assbot	0 results for '"spaghetti sort"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22spaghetti+sort%22	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	you want " quotes specifically.	[02:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is correct	[02:59]
asciilifeform	back to thread, momentarily, before i nod off to sleep; certain problems (i dare say most of the 'big ones') in algorithms magically dissipate when you burn the retarded von neumann thing	[02:59]
asciilifeform	for real life implementations of 'spaghetti sort', see adi shamir's 'twinkle' and 'twirl' machines.	[03:01]
asciilifeform	(i'm nearly certain we did these here)	[03:02]
asciilifeform	in a von neumann machine, you'd have to individually address and ask each cell what its output is, to take the sum, like a total idiot	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	is shamir still working on those light machines ?	[03:03]
asciilifeform	in 'twinkle', you just have a led in each and a phototransistor on top.	[03:03]
asciilifeform	ask him.	[03:03]
*	asciilifeform never saw shamir alive and doesn't expect to, iirc he was perma-banned from usa	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	was he ?	[03:04]
asciilifeform	http://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2013/10/shamir	[03:04]
assbot	Cryptographer Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending NSA History Conference ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLJVM )	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	mebbe we should ask adlai to pay him a visit ? do an interview for qntra	[03:05]
asciilifeform	see also comments	[03:05]
asciilifeform	for other banned folks	[03:05]
asciilifeform	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131016/10282624900/how-government-blocked-expert-attending-its-own-cryptology-symposium.shtml << moar	[03:06]
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assbot	How The Government Blocked An Expert From Attending Its Own Cryptology Symposium \| Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/17mLSIV )	[03:06]
asciilifeform	'In July 2013 I told the NSA-affiliated conference organizers that I was having some problems in getting my visa, and gently asked whether they could do something about it. Always eager to help, the NSA people leaped into action, and immediately sent me a short email written with a lot of tact: “The trouble you are having is regrettable…Sorry you won’t be able to come to our conference. We have submitted our program and	[03:06]
asciilifeform	did not include you on it.”	[03:06]
asciilifeform	'	[03:06]
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mircea_popescu	In my humble opinion, we are heading toward a disaster, and I have heard many people, among them our top scientists, saying that they are not willing anymore to visit the US, and collaborate with American scientists, because of the difficulties.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	heg	[03:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00036925 = 13.4038 BTC [+]	[03:07]
pete_dushenski	aw i missed adam_obrien's cherry popping	[03:07]
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mircea_popescu	"As a friend of the US I am deeply worried that if you continue to delay visas in such a way, the only thing you will achieve is to alienate many world-famous foreign scientists, forcing them to increase their cooperation with European or Chinese scientists whose countries roll the red carpet for such visits. "	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	"why get now for free what you won't be able to afford later on ?!?!?!!?"	[03:10]
pete_dushenski	us just wants to bury its head in the sand	[03:10]
asciilifeform	'we don't need no stinking jew crypto here in the reich'	[03:10]
*	mircea_popescu tries real hard to imagine the next generation shamir putting to paper the 'friend of the us' string.	[03:10]
asciilifeform	that was probably a first and a last.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	hegel and shaw were great friends of the third reich,	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	but who in the 60s said the same ?	[03:11]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform:it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what << now, as ever	[03:11]
asciilifeform	iirc pete_dushenski is a hereditary apple user, ought to deeply grok this ^	[03:11]
pete_dushenski	lol jew crypto!	[03:11]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform your memory serves you well.	[03:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37135 @ 0.00036925 = 13.7121 BTC [+]	[03:12]
asciilifeform	i'm friends with several folks like that in meatspace	[03:12]
asciilifeform	and thereby know	[03:12]
pete_dushenski	and while the new stuff is faster, it certainly isn't built to last	[03:12]
pete_dushenski	the screen on this 'air' is already mroe borked than us science	[03:13]
pete_dushenski	not 2 years old	[03:13]
asciilifeform	the only apple box currently in my collection is a circa-'09 'air'	[03:13]
asciilifeform	it is very well preserved but survived a burst (yes) battery	[03:13]
pete_dushenski	6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid	[03:13]
pete_dushenski	burst!	[03:14]
asciilifeform	aha	[03:14]
asciilifeform	looked like a botulismed tin can	[03:14]
asciilifeform	the whole machine!	[03:14]
pete_dushenski	don't eat it!	[03:14]
asciilifeform	keys discorged from kbd, etc	[03:14]
asciilifeform	*disgorged	[03:14]
asciilifeform	vendor repair for a few hundy, iirc	[03:14]
asciilifeform	included new kbd and chassis	[03:14]
pete_dushenski	!gettrust adam_obrien	[03:15]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform not bad.	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	i think a new screen will run about 200 for this air	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	procrastinating...	[03:16]
pete_dushenski	mostly because i'm annoyed	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/40c900a0b6e296ee104f65275903124f/tumblr_ncoltiHwzR1rdc5oto1_400.jpg << anyone know that signature ?	[03:16]
asciilifeform	what vintage air ?	[03:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/18e6wMk )	[03:16]
asciilifeform	i've a dead one with intact lcd.	[03:16]
pete_dushenski	2013 air	[03:16]
asciilifeform	standard res ?	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	ya	[03:17]
asciilifeform	find if part is compatible with circa 2010	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	kk	[03:17]
asciilifeform	if yes, gpggram a post box addr and i'll mail you.	[03:17]
asciilifeform	itching to get rid of that thing to good use, it's cluttering up my machine shop	[03:17]
jurov	http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/20-02-2015/129881-minsk_munich-0/ lol. i can't even..	[03:18]
assbot	Minsk and Munich: History repeats itself - English pravda.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/18e6GmV )	[03:18]
asciilifeform	the bottom half is melted	[03:18]
asciilifeform	into heap of slag	[03:18]
asciilifeform	but lcd ought to work	[03:18]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform danke for the offer at least!	[03:18]
*	pete_dushenski still digging	[03:18]
asciilifeform	i'm actually the only person i know who keeps an apple box 'for testing xxxx on apple once in a blue moon' without sitting on it all the time	[03:20]
asciilifeform	somehow this is simply not done...	[03:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00036925 = 1.6247 BTC [+]	[03:27]
pete_dushenski	i have an old apple box or two that is blue mooning	[03:28]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform ok, so here's the air display situation: if you have the 1280x800 screen, i'm out of luck, if you have the 1440x900 then we're good!	[03:29]
asciilifeform	sadly it's the former.	[03:29]
pete_dushenski	myeah	[03:29]
asciilifeform	(it being the original series)	[03:29]
pete_dushenski	just our luck eh	[03:29]
asciilifeform	eh well.	[03:29]
pete_dushenski	thx for the offer though	[03:29]
asciilifeform	np	[03:29]
asciilifeform	if anybody else here wants it, mail me.	[03:30]
asciilifeform	incidentally, it died of nvidia gpu	[03:30]
asciilifeform	bottom is molten slag because i tried the traditional hot air reflow machine repair method	[03:31]
asciilifeform	and couldn't be arsed to take the mobo out beforehand	[03:31]
asciilifeform	and overcooked it a wee bit.	[03:31]
pete_dushenski	jurov lol oh pravda...	[03:32]
asciilifeform	had to issue pet new box.	[03:32]
asciilifeform	комсомольская правда!	[03:33]
pete_dushenski	what'd you replace it with ?	[03:33]
asciilifeform	☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭	[03:33]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: similar	[03:33]
thestringpuller	all these unicode characters!	[03:33]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: i bought a car lol.	[03:33]
thestringpuller	Subaru. not quite a saddam.	[03:34]
pete_dushenski	a nice!	[03:34]
pete_dushenski	saving the volvo idea for later ?	[03:34]
*	asciilifeform used to have a 'subaru'	[03:34]
thestringpuller	d00d was telling me about forrester he sold that had 400k miles on it	[03:34]
thestringpuller	and was still running, had been driven all over the country	[03:34]
asciilifeform	incidentally, there is no firm 'subaru'	[03:35]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate	[03:35]
asciilifeform	there is only fuji heavy industries.	[03:35]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later << can't find one that's bene taken care of	[03:35]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell kakobrekla please to add !translate function to assbot wish list.	[03:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:35]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform of which toyota owns a chunk	[03:36]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller not so surprising really	[03:36]
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asciilifeform	seriously that thing does not work at all.	[15:18]
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asciilifeform	jurov: it even mailed it back to me, but not showing in the www.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform scoopbot's down, deedbot not here, it's like microsoft over here.	[15:19]
indiancandy1	quick question	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	shoot.	[15:19]
indiancandy1	does anyone kno anything bout viral marketing	[15:19]
asciilifeform	indiancandy1: yes. if you have a rare viral sample (e.g. Marburg) various folks will offer to buy.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	about as much as they know about psychiatry : everyone has his own story.	[15:19]
fluffypony	further to asciilifeform's point, containment is critical	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	;;later peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?	[15:20]
gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.	[15:20]
fluffypony	most buyers prefer it to be kept as cooled specimens / samples	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?	[15:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:20]
fluffypony	not just on some petri dish or something	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 you have voice silly.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony you're a bunch of aholes you know :D	[15:21]
fluffypony	:-P	[15:21]
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asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/pub/this_is_retarded.txt	[15:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2hYa )	[15:22]
asciilifeform	jurov ^	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	http://33.media.tumblr.com/df2fcf02fd786b354f2a5578d437180d/tumblr_mxfx4rar6b1srb2awo1_500.gif << acquiring viral samples in the wild.	[15:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2jiH )	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	jurov "Behind the scenes, however, some new that peace was definitely not secured."	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	it looks like a pretty good attempt at being the onion	[15:25]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate << it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign	[15:27]
asciilifeform	it had a translation!?!	[15:27]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[15:27]
asciilifeform	wtf's wrong with my chunder	[15:28]
asciilifeform	why won't it eat.	[15:28]
asciilifeform	perfectly good chunkz	[15:28]
jurov	it's kilometer line. we already had this discussion	[15:28]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DDqgnxPnyI	[15:29]
assbot	Alien goat vomit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq2Z7M )	[15:29]
asciilifeform	^ obligatory	[15:29]
jurov	that stmp just won't do kilometer lines	[15:29]
jurov	*smtp	[15:29]
jurov	Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 netbsd.ub Using egiga0 device TFTP from server [censored]; our IP address is [censored] Filename 'netbsd.ub'. Load address: 0x800000 Loading: ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################	[15:29]
jurov	################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################	[15:29]
jurov	^ this	[15:29]
asciilifeform	could've guessed	[15:30]
asciilifeform	but why?	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	why didn't you guess! and why. because fucking email.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	stupidest protocol in common use since the bretton woods agreements	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;) << ha.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day) << im pretty sure those are illegal in your jurisdiction.	[15:35]
asciilifeform	technically grandfathered	[15:35]
asciilifeform	but i won't be surprised to have them exhibited at my hanging	[15:35]
asciilifeform	'prove you didn't shoot the elephant'	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as grandfathered for parts.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	only for whole item.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo << at least the part that can read. although... it seems improbable that if they did we don't see the output.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	"i represent the family of a rich ferguson, mo merchant who has died in the recent troubles..."	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	http://www.getmagicnow.com/magic.jpg << lol that shit looks kinda like my shit. of course, i would suspect they'd choke if i put my lists through them, as i don't order pizza.	[15:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vq4cvO )	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	chetty: [...] which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous << there's simply no way to avoid it. it IS a stupid idea, of course, but in an inflation driven economy everyone just keeps trying to climb on everyone else.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	inflation economy is basically the cheapest most reliable implementation of "crabs in the pot" to human society.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	nothing ever gets done anymore because everyone's energy is spent dragging everyone else down.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	and if in a scored sport, say baseball or soccer, they started messing with the scoreboard, the game'd stop right then and all the players etc would just move to working teh board.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	"come watch a bunch of folks sit at desks on a green field, make numbers go up."	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well << wtf, these are books or more like photo albums ?	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	http://utc.iath.virginia.edu/abolitn/abaufda8t.html << if anyone's curious to see 1845 pious fraud, here's the "great philosopher" frederick douglass making shit up.	[15:48]
assbot	Douglass' Narrative ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq54Aw )	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	he sounds exactly like a better read joseph smith. substantially the same inclination to pass counterfactuality for fact "because who's to say it didn't happen" and "it damned well serves the purpose of making my understanding of the world more palatable ot others".	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	kinda lends a lot of substance to a notion that usians are actually broken in the head structurally, rather than accidentally. at least the usians of the time.	[15:49]
ben_vulpes	douglass was a fraud?	[15:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not only were the colonies (and then usa) the world's premier nuthouse for sectarian nutters, but the era of 'we have empty space now' promoted the 'tell'em tall tales and who's to say it didn't happen out there in the woods' mentality	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	i never read anything important he wrote. he did a lot of abolitionist propaganda, for which his party attached titles to him.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	this makes him no more a philosopher than the soviets.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform apparently. it's kind-of strange that this shared psychosis was never investigated.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	then people jump at the fundamentally antiscientific restructuring of science the americans did (and many places copied) after 1950 as a sort of noivel phenomena	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	fucking bs, there's nothing novel about it, they just did to science what they had been doing all through 1800s. which apparently is, for unclear reasons, all the ycan intellectually do ?!	[15:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: marc twain did a pretty good job investigating	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and you obviously notice that after the "god spoke to me through stones in hat" west of the early 1800 and the "god spoke to me re black people" of the mid 1800s, they moved on to "god spoke to me re rhodesia" almost seamlessly. and before that it was...	[15:54]
asciilifeform	even mr mold got this much	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se.	[15:54]
asciilifeform	his whole thesis was approximately this sentence	[15:54]
asciilifeform	'christianity without the chris'	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	it may well hold some value.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	well, also notably without the virgin whore.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	the only other people i know about this stupid and stupid in this manner are the sicilians, and they are fucking fixated on the holy cunt.	[15:55]
asciilifeform	iirc he compared it to certain genetically engineered bacteria that end up shedding the payload - 'why should i piss out $protein when i can be making more copies of self faster'	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	(sicilians more in the "kingdom of two sicilies" than in the island of ~ sense)	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	no cause they do have a payload.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	the payload is, amusdingly enough, a very primitive answer to the same problem.	[15:57]
asciilifeform	that is, evolutionary pressure to jettison whatever payload is no longer serving the ultimate purpose	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	they STILL deal with their own fear of death, just, not iun the very refined jewish manner.	[15:57]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: re "piece of shit" neat stuff	[15:57]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: tried it ?	[15:57]
ben_vulpes	nope.	[15:57]
ben_vulpes	no pogo.	[15:57]
asciilifeform	once have pogo: if you use the tftp recipe, you no longer need to wear out your nand to run these	[15:58]
ben_vulpes	have not the shiva arms	[15:58]
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asciilifeform	^ pun intended ?	[15:58]
asciilifeform	(the original machine in the series was marketed as 'sheeva plug.' and ran on same 'arm' chip by 'marvell'...)	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	much more brusquely, as if a cowboy in dirty footwraps at a bar somewhere decided to cut it short and end with a joke.	[15:59]
ben_vulpes	somewhere deep in the stack, something insisted on saying it. same way the rest of my puns happen.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	your punhole's leakin'.	[15:59]
ben_vulpes	i can't reason about my bioware	[16:00]
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*	asciilifeform wonders how many u.s. folk, other than historical re-enactors, know what footwraps are	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	yes well real cowboys don't wear fucking socks.	[16:00]
asciilifeform	socks are finicky high-tech	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	aye.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	also don't wash well.	[16:01]
asciilifeform	esp. not if 'wash' means 'fording a river'	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[16:01]
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asciilifeform	phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!	[16:02]
asciilifeform	yes, and with american-style boots.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	o did they ?	[16:02]
asciilifeform	(can't use trad ru boots with socks)	[16:02]
*	mircea_popescu pictures legion of corporals going "omfg end of fucking world igmme a drink"	[16:02]
asciilifeform	sure did.	[16:02]
asciilifeform	or so i'm told	[16:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00037113 = 14.8823 BTC [-]	[16:04]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.aif.ru/dontknows/eternal/1084962 << turns out it was proclaimed, but not quite implemented	[16:04]
assbot	Правда ли, что в российской армии отменили портянки? \| Вечные вопросы \| Вопрос-Ответ \| Аргументы и Факты ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq6ATi )	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	ah	[16:04]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKZbHMhP9Q4 << how-to for interested folks	[16:05]
assbot	Портянки: мастер-класс от курских военных - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq6FGt )	[16:05]
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asciilifeform	good enough for the romans, etc	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[16:06]
-assbot-	You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes.	[16:06]
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mircea_popescu	"Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish"	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	what fucking bs is this lmao.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	no, and i do mean NO english speaker of 1712 would have come up with that string.	[16:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38375 @ 0.0003746 = 14.3753 BTC [+]	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/71ac18eb4da171bef52b398f3612cefa/tumblr_nhgp6yXCdi1rdc5oto1_250.gif pop.	[16:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vq7tLs )	[16:13]
ben_vulpes	o	[16:14]
ben_vulpes	http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/3 << fucking linkrot	[16:15]
assbot	Page not found \| RubyGems.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq7DCD )	[16:15]
ben_vulpes	i'm beginning to think that each and every ruby developer's computer is configured to work on exactly one project, and they have no idea how they made it work in the first place.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	this is quite exact.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	!b 4	[16:15]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HVWTK3.txt )	[16:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: lol!	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	this leads to such inane babble like "oh rbenv and rvm are neither any better nor any worse than each other, they do different things differently"	[16:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15758 @ 0.00037113 = 5.8483 BTC [-]	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	a) whenever i hear "neither better nor worse" i actually parse "i cannot evaluate things and exist in a perpetual fog of 'oh iono'"	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	b) EVERYONE HACKING ON RUBY IS FAKING COMPETENCE	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	holeeeeeee shit i'm angry.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes "computers are not about hurtful things like math but more like about feelings and so the fact that there exist unevaluable statements does not worry me, but on the contrary"	[16:17]
ben_vulpes	AWGIBELRUN	[16:17]
ben_vulpes	and the wayback machine is down	[16:17]
ben_vulpes	obab hates me.	[16:17]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[16:18]
asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244650451628407@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum	[16:18]
assbot	Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq80x5 )	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	the wayback machine thing reminds me of one of the lulziest things ever drug up in my nets :	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	"The problem is the people cannot fit the behaviour into any customary category. It does not look like usual editor's behaviour, does not look as usual spammer's behaviour, etc. They do not know what expect from it. They still cannot stop the bot fixing the dead links. They have angst.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	And as it is something unusual, the usual verbs cannot be applied to it. Can the ants from the outer space be "forgiven"? No. They can be only wiped out. It is an existential issue, not a technical one. That's why your brilliant arguments won't work"	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.is_RFC	[16:19]
assbot	Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq867M )	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	tl;dr : someone came in and fixed linkrot for wikipedia without bothering to ask the "anyone can edit" powers whether they aprove.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	whole thing got burned down.	[16:20]
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mircea_popescu	probably best argument ever in that entirely nonsensical "anyone can edit" line of conmanship.	[16:21]
punkman	archive.is (now archive.today) is ran by single russian dude using his own money	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[16:21]
punkman	just mentioning	[16:21]
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mircea_popescu	aha. anyway, the way back machine being still down...	[16:21]
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mircea_popescu	fucking shit how did this never occur to me before http://38.media.tumblr.com/f7f006d83ac11ada3ce11c33a5af21bf/tumblr_nhd5gurIzB1rdc5oto1_500.gif	[16:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vq8rrd )	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	this is the internet! everyone learns from it!	[16:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that reminds me: i've long imagined that 'in the dark future where there is only war (tm)' zip ties will be used for expedient field hangings.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	sorta how current american cops use them as handcuffs	[16:24]
asciilifeform	cheaper than bullet, and ever more effete gestapo peopled by folks afraid of blood - perfect match	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	yep.	[16:26]
asciilifeform	zzzip - hrrrrk - next	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	wrists first.	[16:26]
asciilifeform	sure	[16:26]
asciilifeform	complete 3-piece kit	[16:26]
asciilifeform	in envelope	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	just wrists behind back	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.	[16:26]
decimation	basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se. << Christians who had other ideas quickly 'got with program' http://sothl.com/2011/03/06/the-americanization-of-the-lutheran-church-missouri-synod/ < "Even so, despite the initial Americanization that had already taken place, further inroads were held at bay as German immigration kept increasing into the	[16:27]
decimation	1880s and the LCMS took measures to keep its German heritage, such as parochial schools in the German language. Such was broadly the case until World War I, which was the most-decisive occurrence Americanizing the LCMS. It was then we could no longer deny that we were Americans, since being German in America was then disdained. It was then that the American flag began to adorn God’s house, His Church, intermingling Church and	[16:27]
assbot	The Americanization of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod — Shepherd of the Hills ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq8SBQ )	[16:27]
decimation	State. It was then we self-consciously began to relate ourselves to American Protestantism, and so patterned our public worship and viewed ourselves on that basis. "	[16:27]
asciilifeform	feet optional (why did 'dancing the hempen jig' go out of fashion ?)	[16:27]
chetty	otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.// not usains	[16:27]
ben_vulpes	i'm fucking chowning /Library/Ruby to my user	[16:27]
ben_vulpes	bleeeeee	[16:27]
ben_vulpes	ran into a smart cookie of a babe last night	[16:27]
punkman	ben_vulpes: is that why rubyists love docker?	[16:28]
asciilifeform	chetty: complicated. at [censored] we got a shipment of zip ties in recently, and they break with one hand.	[16:28]
asciilifeform	progressively more chinese crud	[16:28]
ben_vulpes	when i explained to her why software as a career might be worse than working in a woodshop with limb loss risks etc, given the decades of shit and bad decisions i have to deal with on a daily basis	[16:28]
ben_vulpes	she said "ah like city planning in europe. this road goes off at 12 degrees because fuck you?"	[16:28]
ben_vulpes	precisely, dear.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes lol didja bring her here for us to scare her off ?	[16:28]
ben_vulpes	nah i keep the girls away from you terrists.	[16:29]
punkman	ben_vulpes: road goes off at 12 degrees because not city plan at all	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they probably replaced the polymer.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes punkman road goes off at 12 degrees because FUCK YOU YOU WORK FOR US so you adapt to us. not the other way around. god dang it.	[16:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: funnier still. the polymer's fine (pulled it with pliers and it stood)	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	this is like the complaint of hairdressers about unspherical heads.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ew.	[16:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but they botched the molding - the ratchet doesn't hold. it's almost as if someone made the injection mold dies from... an n-th generation zip tie	[16:30]
ben_vulpes	punkman: i could not tell you why rubyists like anything.	[16:30]
asciilifeform	we were tying low-voltage cabling, not necks, so nobody gave a fuck	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	"Properly speaking, there is no such thing as revenge. Revenge is an act which you want to commit when you are powerless and because you are powerless: as soon as the sense of impotence is removed, the desire evaporates also."	[16:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00037113 = 7.1999 BTC [-]	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	check it out! jesus! orwell understands this much, but does not make the step to grasp that socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	how in the world.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	o wait. because stupid. okay.	[16:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: remember your article on how 'oceans of pussy' is something boy only wants when he's 14 and living in a cellar ?	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	i do, having written it.	[16:33]
asciilifeform	just like 'drinking an ocean' is something we only 'want' when thirsty	[16:34]
asciilifeform	etc	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	"i could eat a horse". "here you go"	[16:34]
asciilifeform	it isn't stupid as such	[16:34]
asciilifeform	just hungry	[16:34]
jurov	nothing sturdy enough for hangings available.. truly a demise of civilization	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	jurov slash reign of peace.	[16:34]
asciilifeform	jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next.	[16:35]
asciilifeform	there was something like this, iirc, depicted in the film 'clouds atlas'	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	where is that proposed vat	[16:35]
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asciilifeform	where they kill the meat girl	[16:36]
ben_vulpes	re: field hangings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvJ5WTF3qM	[16:36]
assbot	The counselor scene Brad Pitt killed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq9CH0 )	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/ghilotina-moderna/	[16:36]
assbot	Ghilotina moderna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vq9GH0 )	[16:36]
jurov	btw, i doubt they can get more effete than today	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	if someone feels like reading romanian horrors.	[16:37]
ben_vulpes	"post install message from httparty:"	[16:37]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what was that?	[16:38]
ben_vulpes	"when you httparty, you party hard"	[16:38]
ben_vulpes	wat	[16:38]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: ratcheting wire decapitator, slung around target's neck	[16:39]
asciilifeform	well yes	[16:39]
asciilifeform	but from where is the scene	[16:39]
asciilifeform	(the scheme itself dates to ancient china, as is well known)	[16:39]
punkman	asciilifeform: stupid movie called "The Counselor"	[16:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Parallel_20Guillotine and of course http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Serial_20Guillotine#1123019517	[16:41]
assbot	Halfbakery: Parallel Guillotine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqa5ZQ )	[16:41]
assbot	Halfbakery: Serial Guillotine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqa5ZS )	[16:41]
asciilifeform	as for the hydraulic variant, who hasn't considered that.	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[16:43]
punkman	I was wondering if anyone ever built multi-seat guillotine few days ago	[16:43]
asciilifeform	http://www.morningsidecenter.org/sites/default/files/pictures/guillotine.png	[16:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vqamMs )	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	you could have a replica of the piss fountain	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	except heads and blood fountain	[16:43]
ben_vulpes	punkman: yeah i guess now i try to docker this thing	[16:45]
asciilifeform	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538178/Found-guillotine-used-kill-Hitlers-enemies-But-device-executed-heroine-21-show.html << supposedly original nazi chopper found	[16:46]
assbot	Found, guillotine used to kill Hitler's enemies: But will device that executed heroine, 21, go on show? \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqayLF )	[16:46]
asciilifeform	i don't see any provisions for the infamous 'chin trigger' though	[16:46]
asciilifeform	were the legends a lie?!	[16:46]
ben_vulpes	imho wrong: http://phusion.github.io/baseimage-docker/	[16:47]
assbot	Baseimage-docker: A minimal Ubuntu base image modified for Docker-friendliness ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqaFXB )	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028814 << that's a point huh.	[16:51]
assbot	Logged on 22-02-2015 14:12:37; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	it would seem that a correctly run news outlet turns more into rotten.com's library than the gawker empire of shit.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028816 << any other news site period. it's the goal here : make "fiat" news impossible.	[16:52]
assbot	Logged on 22-02-2015 14:13:45; *: BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.	[16:52]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtBT4hBFL40	[16:55]
assbot	Das Fallbeil - Breif history and demonstration of the german guillotine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqbvDK )	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	"Articulate" has a certain meaning, look in the dictionary; it is fairly consistent throughout all settings except one: when it is used by a white guy to describe a black guy. In that case, the word suddenly means something completely different than it ordinarily does: it means "not hung up about race." Here's the point: the black guy may actually be articulate, or not be articulate-- who knows? But white people kno	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	w exactly what it means in that context.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	uh... has this usage gone out of fashion in the past five years ? i'm completely unfamiliar with it.	[17:03]
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mircea_popescu	and for that matter, articulate does not mean a vague "able to express ideas clearly and effectively in speech or writing" a la webster. what it means is, "all words used according to their definition, so that the receptor does not have to make ANY adjustments to the text to turn it into 'probable' meaning".	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	generally, being articulate is the opposite of thinking there's such a thing as synonymy	[17:05]
asciilifeform	with tftp can go from changed netbsd kernel option, rebuild, run, in less than five seconds	[17:05]
asciilifeform	damn, feel like a moron for not having done this on first day	[17:05]
*	mircea_popescu gives asciilifeform pointed hat.	[17:05]
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decimation	asciilifeform: does u-boot support tftp?	[17:06]
asciilifeform	decimation: mine does	[17:06]
asciilifeform	can't recall re: the crufty one it ships with	[17:06]
asciilifeform	iirc also yes	[17:06]
decimation	ah yes, that's sop in datacenters with pxe	[17:06]
asciilifeform	it also supports pxe-style bootp but that isn't needed here	[17:07]
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danielpbarron	fw_setenv << how to use this?	[17:15]
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mats	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9089549 << luls. 'idk nething about security but i wanna create a security startup' and "I think that is an awesome idea. I am currently a Business student with a computer science minor so I consider myself very technical." (real quote)	[17:22]
assbot	Ask HN: What is missing in the IT security world? \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqesnK )	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	mats better than reddit.	[17:25]
mats	i wonder sometimes.	[17:25]
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mats	https://software.intel.com/sites/landingpage/IntrinsicsGuide/ this is cool.	[17:32]
assbot	Intel Intrinsics Guide ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZX2Me )	[17:32]
decimation	mats: if you are on an intel cpu, that's the book to use to optimize your warez	[17:32]
asciilifeform	mats: for folks with crippled compilers ?	[17:36]
asciilifeform	gcc supports traditional inline asm	[17:36]
mats	why you gotta rain on my parade.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	val[63:0] := HW_RND_GEN.data << lol	[17:38]
asciilifeform	wake me up when they say what HW_RND_GEN is.	[17:38]
asciilifeform	in some magically externally verifiable way	[17:39]
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decimation	'icc' actually works pretty well	[17:43]
decimation	if you are gonna be on the intel wagon, might as well use their tools	[17:43]
asciilifeform	mmm no.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	a closed-source compiler is even more of a circus-grade laugh than closed os	[17:44]
asciilifeform	belongs in the side show	[17:44]
asciilifeform	and nowhere else.	[17:44]
decimation	I get your point, but what if you are already on a closed-source microarchitecture?	[17:44]
asciilifeform	sorta like the argument that if there is already the usg-mandated maximum of xxx ppm of turd in your dinner, might as well go full-blown coprophagiac	[17:45]
mats	sure.	[17:46]
decimation	but asciilifeform, if you sell out to intel, your warez can go %x faster!	[17:46]
asciilifeform	if you actually need the x% gains from intel's fortran, or whatnot, you really ought to be doing hand asm optimizations of the bottleneck routines	[17:47]
asciilifeform	and spend lots of quality time with your profiler	[17:47]
mats	http://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1ph882/a_donglebased_nofootprint_session_is_this_in_any/cd2exm3 << reddit's not so bad sometimes.	[17:47]
assbot	Gorlob comments on A dongle-based "no-footprint" session. Is this in any way valuable or useful? ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqh7hd )	[17:47]
decimation	my understanding is that intel actually hires skilled folks from ru to hand-optimize their libraries	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	"In 1994, there were 20,000 visits for pediatric (under age 19) bipolar disorder. In 2003, the number was... 800,000. The diagnosis, therefore, was 25/100,000 in 1994, and now it's 1000/100,000. In other words, 1% of the population. "	[17:48]
asciilifeform	the kind of optimization i'm speaking of is not libraryizable	[17:48]
asciilifeform	but maximally unique to a particular problem	[17:48]
decimation	aye, understood	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	check it out, bipolar is a virus inf% more effective than ebola, nobody noticed.	[17:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as he later explains (and ask any depressive patient from usa) it was so that pharma vendors could push patented antiepileptics (and even antipsychotics) to depressives	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	sure, but the advantage of "Science" and "facts" is that, you can build on their solid footing anything you wish.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	the us MD crackpots are held to explain why the CDC is not going crazy over the bipolar virus yet.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	such an increase can ONLY be viral. not even a bacteria can do that.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	we all know which 'virus'.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	it isn't any kind of secret from anyone.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	we are not the subject. let THEM explain.	[17:50]
decimation	http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=184107 "Conclusion This meta-analysis yielded no evidence that the serotonin transporter genotype alone or in interaction with stressful life events is associated with an elevated risk of depression in men alone, women alone, or in both sexes combined."	[17:50]
assbot	JAMA Network \| JAMA \| Interaction Between the Serotonin Transporter Gene (5-HTTLPR), Stressful Life Events, and Risk of Depression: A Meta-analysis	[17:50]
asciilifeform	'their' job is not to explain anything, but to roll in the hookers and blow while plebes poison themselves	[17:51]
asciilifeform	(expensively!)	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	their job is whatever the fuck i say it is.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	let's not get over ourselves here.	[17:51]
asciilifeform	whatever the fuck i say it is >> can that be wearing-zip-tie? though hydraulic chopper has its attractions	[17:52]
asciilifeform	because their current job - meh	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	first they gotta fail. then internalise it. then despair.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	only THEN.	[17:52]
asciilifeform	not already failed ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	it's bad policy to kill people before they're completely squeezed of any possible anguish they could provide for themsleves.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	yes we're in between 1 and 2, working on 2 atm.	[17:53]
decimation	^above paper implies that treating depression by attempting to inhibit serotonin is useless	[17:53]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722630	[17:54]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2014 00:36:44; asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up	[17:54]
decimation	asciilifeform: maybe they read #b-a for research 'ideas'	[17:55]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723978	[17:55]
assbot	Logged on 18-06-2014 22:56:07; asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.	[17:55]
asciilifeform	the entire american 'antidepressant' tech is a bizarre tour of the protestant mental pathology of 'mustn't have too much fun'	[17:55]
decimation	and yet, tomorrow millions of us inhabitants will be dispensed their placebos	[17:56]
danielpbarron	isn't caffeine such a thing?	[17:56]
asciilifeform	the pyre on which these defectives have been burning more or less whole planet for 200 yrs	[17:56]
asciilifeform	the engineering spec, not written anywhere, is 'drug must make patient less apt to complain but oughtn't be detectably pleasurable'	[17:56]
asciilifeform	hence the preference for handing out sedatives and drugs with sedative side effect profile	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron nah, caffeine works as a general stimulant	[17:57]
decimation	if caffeine were unknown and sudden discovered yesterday, it would be banned by the fda	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much the best way to indict anything in the anglotard space is 'but it's enjoyable"	[17:58]
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asciilifeform	decimation: much as cathenone (similar naturally occurring item) was	[17:58]
decimation	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-11/-magic-mushrooms-help-smokers-kick-habit-in-small-study	[18:00]
assbot	Magic Mushrooms Help Smokers Kick Habit in Small Study - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1D03tih )	[18:00]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/02/prz-pk-1992.htm	[18:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D03xig )	[18:01]
asciilifeform	^ revoked in '10, interestingly	[18:01]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/02/jane-doe-3-v-dershowitz.pdf << entirely unrelated mega-lol	[18:03]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo ^^^ can you comment on this drama ?	[18:04]
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asciilifeform	http://www.wsj.com/articles/alan-m-dershowitz-a-nightmare-of-false-accusation-that-could-happen-to-you-1421280860 << other side of the story	[18:08]
assbot	Alan M. Dershowitz: A Nightmare of False Accusation That Could Happen to You - WSJ	[18:08]
ben_vulpes	https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/yunojuno/dev/dockerfile/	[18:09]
assbot	yunojuno/dev Repository \| Docker Hub Registry - Repositories of Docker Images ... ( http://bit.ly/1D059Zj )	[18:09]
ben_vulpes	"the approved method of installing rvm simply causes too many issues"	[18:09]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what's that do ?	[18:09]
asciilifeform	cathenone << there is a catha edulis in the u.s. national botanical garden. i saw it many times with own eyes. but, iirc, they don't have a cannabis sativa or any other 'forbidden fruit'	[18:12]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: you're familiar with the "hot" "trend" of "containerization" in the linux space?	[18:13]
asciilifeform	vm?	[18:13]
ben_vulpes	i honestly don't know what the technical difference between VMs and containerization is.	[18:13]
ben_vulpes	feels like a poor man's jail.	[18:13]
ben_vulpes	anyways, best as I can tell, the thing forgoes the entire ruby "version management" stack and installs some version of ruby.	[18:14]
asciilifeform	does the item running inside think it is on a genuine machine of its own ?	[18:14]
ben_vulpes	more or less, yes.	[18:14]
ben_vulpes	there are various and sundry privilege escalations and container escapes available, however.	[18:14]
asciilifeform	quite a few escapes for various vm have been found	[18:15]
asciilifeform	and this is only those that have been found.	[18:15]
asciilifeform	(interested folks - straight to the literature)	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform all the drama of divource court, now for internet consumption.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	because hey, running out of cheap material.	[18:18]
asciilifeform	interesting only for the jurist/procedural quirks featured	[18:19]
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mircea_popescu	only funny thing to me is that the anal children (they self identify as "radical" something or the other) actually have the unmitigated audacity to challenge the old ny jew.	[18:21]
decimation	asciilifeform: every time I went into the botanical garden I got terrible allergies	[18:21]
asciilifeform	decimation: guaranteed!	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	at least it's rather clear how exactly they plan to organise the exchange of power.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	tbh gorbachev & co set had better strat, but anyway	[18:22]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what do you think this is other than politburo change of guard ?	[18:22]
asciilifeform	ah then ancient sop	[18:23]
asciilifeform	clinton, etc	[18:23]
asciilifeform	sn0re.	[18:23]
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asciilifeform	new guard - same as old	[18:24]
asciilifeform	if i understand correctly.	[18:24]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: it's all a gulag for your mind.	[18:24]
decimation	http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-raised-nearly-2-billion-for-foundation-since-2001/2015/02/18/b8425d88-a7cd-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html	[18:24]
assbot	Clintons’ foundation has raised nearly $2 billion — and some key questions - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1D08Del )	[18:24]
decimation	^old guard has a strategy too	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	decimation unless they come out with "poor young girls are for the fucking', it does NOT have a strategy.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	the only correct strategy in this situation is what the chinese did : round all the opposition up, shave their heads, parade them naked with legends.	[18:26]
decimation	what about 'we can raise $x bil from old men in the UAE	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	money is worthless without power.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	this is why we regularly succeed where cardboard fiat "billionaires" fail.	[18:28]
asciilifeform	'fail' seems to come with peculiarly much physical security and ample hookers&blow supply in that case	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	you have seen this ?	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	apparently there were no hookers "anywhere in sight" and the blow was from a sandblaster.	[18:29]
asciilifeform	can't say that saw alive. but i also haven't seen them sitting in rags covering their gangrenous limbs in the street, begging for coin	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	i have declaration at the ready : "In a statement accompanying the court filing, Mr. Dershowitz said the encounters could not have occurred for several reasons, including the one time he had visited Mr. Epstein’s house in New Mexico. The house was still under construction, and Mr. Dershowitz said he had stayed for about an hour. He was accompanied, he said, by his wife and daughter and another couple."	[18:29]
asciilifeform	instead i see them in the washington volkischer beobachter	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	with coke ?	[18:30]
asciilifeform	i can't see their cocks either	[18:30]
asciilifeform	but know they're in the pants	[18:30]
asciilifeform	don't need to see it, no ?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	depends. if you don't discuss anything related to cocks, it doesn't matter. you don't know anything, but you also don't care.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	would you hire them for your gay porn studio, sight unseen ?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	"o but i knew cocks in pants" ?	[18:31]
asciilifeform	in press devoted to the subject, the lives of the kleptocrats can be seen - islands, castles, idiot 'foundations', etc	[18:32]
asciilifeform	(must confess i'm not up to date on this literature)	[18:32]
asciilifeform	ask a female usian	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	i think your summaries may have deceived you.	[18:33]
asciilifeform	not out of the question	[18:33]
decimation	mircea_popescu: are you asserting that these islands and castles don't exist? or that they are ultimately worthless baubles?	[18:35]
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mircea_popescu	i am asserting that they're for actually powerful men (such as, russian billionaires) not for american aparatards.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	when someone as high up as a four star general dares do as much as get a meaningless title for an old ugly she-horse, he gets beheaded for it.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	what hookers ? what blow ?	[18:39]
asciilifeform	beheaded the day he did it? week later? or when superior ordered it for unrelated reason.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	you think there exists a meta-usg that enjoys life like there exists a meta-nsa that enjoys thinking ?	[18:40]
asciilifeform	aha	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	it's a bureaucracy, not a fucking world. they don't have most things.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that woman doesn't look like what the average brothel goer would consider.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	but what do the folks with unaccountable $maxint in bank, whose names never appear in the beobachter, do with their time ?	[18:40]
asciilifeform	pull own cock ?	[18:41]
decimation	heh. well, the world of official usg is quite different from the world of finance for which usg provides a krysha	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	he only went with her for EXACTLY the same problem you were describing for yourself earlier,	[18:41]
asciilifeform	and if so - why ?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	but somehow magically are unaware it's not limited to you.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	where the fuck is he going to find the wot that'll get him the 19 yo hussies that love being fucked in public ?	[18:41]
asciilifeform	it only exists for me because all i can personally bankroll is a plane ticket but not any of what comes after	[18:41]
asciilifeform	but - them ?	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.00036989 = 9.4803 BTC [-]	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, they pull on their own cock. what do you do with your own time ? blow much ?	[18:41]
asciilifeform	correct if i'm thick, but $maxint will buy a whore or two ?	[18:42]
asciilifeform	of whatever octane grade	[18:42]
asciilifeform	without having to bid	[18:42]
asciilifeform	as in, let it be known that you have $maxint	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	no, it will not.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	20 bucks buys a whore or two. depends for whom.	[18:43]
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asciilifeform	they aren't all old men	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	really.	[18:43]
asciilifeform	(do whores now forgo old men? who even goes to whores now?)	[18:43]
decimation	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-prostitute-detail_n_91116.html	[18:43]
assbot	Spitzer Prostitute Details: $80,000 Spent, Mood Music, Multiple Prostitutes, Up To A Decade Of Use And An Ever-Present Security Detail ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0cZCf )	[18:43]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	herr spitzer's whore.	[18:44]
decimation	he paid a couple $k per night apparently	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175070 @ 0.00035994 = 63.0147 BTC [-] {4}	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	pics ?	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	you know how this goes, right ?	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	or what, we suddenly have memory hole effect, we forgot about all the lies in filings, starting with the "confiscated btc" that never existed ?	[18:45]
asciilifeform	http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/photos-eliot-spitzers-hooker	[18:45]
assbot	Photos Of Eliot Spitzer's Hooker \| The Smoking Gun ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0dyMl )	[18:45]
asciilifeform	^ supposed	[18:45]
*	asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't see him fuck	[18:46]
decimation	lol she had a myspace page	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	notbad.jpg	[18:46]
asciilifeform	spitzer et al probably account for lion's share of my mental picture of usg elite	[18:47]
thestringpuller	"Meet 'Kristen,' the 22-year-old woman who brought down the governor" << LOL so dramatic	[18:47]
asciilifeform	and yes, everyone knows that below each spitzer there are 100,000 faceless shmucks who go home to cry in beer	[18:47]
asciilifeform	and fuck dolls	[18:48]
thestringpuller	^- is this america now?!?	[18:48]
decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Alexandra_Dupr%C3%A9 < now she works for google (youtube)	[18:49]
assbot	Ashley Alexandra Dupré - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0efoK )	[18:49]
asciilifeform	from the other side of the pond, it is known with some certainty that brezhnev had not only all of the racing cars he could wish for, but gurlz whenever he could still get it up	[18:49]
jurov	http://www.prezidentpress.ru/news/2762-sto-let-nazad-rossiya-i-kitay-sozdali-frs-ssha.html ... i stumble on such nutritional stuff recently	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is not the important point.	[18:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D0en7L )	[18:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37560 @ 0.00037784 = 14.1917 BTC [+]	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	the important point is that should anyone have had as much as anything at all to say about it, he'd be cutting ice in front of the lenin icebreaker	[18:50]
jurov	apparently tsar nicholas arranged a business with lincoln	[18:50]
jurov	and borrowed 1000 tons of gold to that purpose	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	re "brought down the governor", kitzhaber had one of these recently: http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-32827-gov_john_kitzhabers_office_sought_to_destroy_thous.html	[18:50]
assbot	Gov. John Kitzhaber's Office Sought To Destroy Thousands of His Emails ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0etMJ )	[18:50]
decimation	jurov: is that why the tsar sold alaska for a pittance?	[18:50]
jurov	but rothshilds stole it and caused general havoc	[18:50]
jurov	alaska is not mentioned	[18:51]
ben_vulpes	he also ran his personal emails through state servers.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on	[18:51]
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mircea_popescu	right.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	with juicy tabloid-grade legends told via official microphones	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	but the timing is allimportant.	[18:51]
decimation	or they were disappeared from pictures right	[18:51]
asciilifeform	same timing here. herr spitzer was defrocked, out come the rape stories	[18:51]
asciilifeform	or equiv.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	i dunno...	[18:52]
asciilifeform	jurov taken to reading ru tabloids regularly ?	[18:52]
jurov	i keep getting fed them via facebook	[18:53]
asciilifeform	l0l	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	he's preparing for the great progress.	[18:53]
asciilifeform	jurov's facebook full of dyspeptic middle aged ru folks ?	[18:53]
jurov	no.	[18:54]
decimation	jurov clicked "like" on "putin please don't invade slovenia"?	[18:54]
jurov	it's starry eyed putinjugend	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	actual people or just fb dead souls ?	[18:54]
jurov	actual ppl	[18:54]
asciilifeform	jurov: those have own publications, normally, full of meticulously chromed rockets of various shapes	[18:55]
asciilifeform	in one of these, it was recently claimed that БЖРК is back	[18:55]
asciilifeform	(railroad-based nuke-thrower)	[18:55]
asciilifeform	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%91%D0%96%D0%A0%D0%9A_15%D0%9F961_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%86_(2)_-_edited.jpg << the classic	[18:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/18eYEKy )	[18:56]
asciilifeform	^ can't see in this shot, but the middle car has eight axles instead of the usual four	[18:56]
asciilifeform	135t.	[18:56]
decimation	asciilifeform: I never figured out why these went out of fashion	[18:56]
asciilifeform	still would've bent the rails if there were not a clever system of springs to spread weight to adjacent cars	[18:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads	[18:57]
jurov	hehe	[18:57]
asciilifeform	so instead they went to ru after the ussr croaked and ordered these things sawed apart on camera	[18:57]
asciilifeform	'93-98	[18:58]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah sounds legit	[18:58]
decimation	actually usa has plenty of railroads, but none of them are open for usg to roam freely	[18:58]
asciilifeform	there is a legend, based on released usg docs of reasonable plausibility, that usg knew where the trains were at various times by sneaking neutron counters into passenger/cargo rail	[18:59]
asciilifeform	open for usg to roam freely << the rocket train was disguised (thinly) as a cargo train and went on ordinary rail	[18:59]
asciilifeform	mixed freely with usual trains	[18:59]
asciilifeform	http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/26/barguzin << the new model is claimed to use a smaller rocket and be externally identical to a passenger car	[19:00]
assbot	Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: Вооруженные силы: Первые «ракетные поезда» встанут на дежурство после 2018 года ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0gyrV )	[19:00]
asciilifeform	(smaller but same range, claimed.)	[19:00]
asciilifeform	lighter payload.	[19:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00039549 = 17.8366 BTC [+]	[19:02]
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asciilifeform	http://lenta.ru/articles/2015/02/20/fskn << ru closes their equivalent of u.s. DEA on mar 1.	[19:03]
assbot	Статьи: Lenta.ru: Силовые структуры: Полиция и спецслужбы: Есть ли будущее у госнаркоконтроля ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0gWH1 )	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads << so lulzy this.	[19:03]
asciilifeform	official story was 'budget overrun'	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	"most civilised country in the civilised world, has no railroads and most of demographics replenishment comes out of cosanguine marriages"	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	"welcome to 1700, you're doing pretty well!"	[19:03]
asciilifeform	comes from south of border, actually	[19:03]
decimation	if you look at any map of the us circa 1880 or earlier all you see are railroads	[19:03]
asciilifeform	so not even 1700 state of the art	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	that's exogenous. i was talking endogenous	[19:03]
decimation	then if you look at maps over time, the railroads disappear roughly 1940, to be replaced with national highways	[19:03]
asciilifeform	endogenous - from the rookeries	[19:04]
decimation	http://www.techbastard.com/missile/peacekeeper/railcar.php	[19:05]
assbot	Peacekeeper Missile Rail Garrison Car ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hrAZ )	[19:05]
asciilifeform	aha it	[19:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68713 @ 0.00039558 = 27.1815 BTC [+] {2}	[19:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8287 @ 0.00040197 = 3.3311 BTC [+]	[19:09]
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danielpbarron	the train around where i live only exists because of subsidies; it's stupidly inexpensive to ride, and yet most people still prefer their cars	[19:11]
danielpbarron	when i had an office job, i used the train to commute; the monthly pass cost ~120 USD and I didn't even have to pay this; my employer got money from the state for covering this cost -- probably some misguided attempt to protect the environment or cut down on traffic	[19:13]
chetty	US transport is horridly set up, people prefer cars cause train and bus stations are in bad locations with no useful taxi service	[19:16]
ben_vulpes	i do love the pubtrans in my socialist paradise.	[19:17]
danielpbarron	i was within biking distance at both ends -- luck i guess	[19:18]
ben_vulpes	what is biking distance anyways?	[19:18]
ben_vulpes	.5 mi?	[19:18]
ben_vulpes	2 mi?	[19:18]
ben_vulpes	people are fucking lazy.	[19:18]
danielpbarron	5 to 10 minutes	[19:18]
danielpbarron	it was actually a 10 to 20 minute walk on one of the ends	[19:18]
ben_vulpes	re submaring/aircraftcarrier thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBi0LqgwrH8	[19:19]
assbot	Marvel's The Avengers - Clip: Helicarrier (2012) \| HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18f0B9Q )	[19:19]
chetty	oh and us has lack of sidewalks too, half the time you cant walk without risking life on roadsides	[19:20]
danielpbarron	in CT you run the risk of getting harassed by COPS for daring to take a walk somewhere	[19:21]
danielpbarron	walking ~= homeless	[19:22]
danielpbarron	if you want to avoid suspicion, wear yoga pants and jog	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[19:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122485 @ 0.00040282 = 49.3394 BTC [+] {3}	[19:23]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: Only the homeless would be willing to brave the snow to walk somewhere...	[19:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040641 = 1.2192 BTC [+]	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	!up Ginux	[19:26]
-assbot-	You voiced Ginux for 30 minutes.	[19:26]
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mats	https://blog.filippo.io/komodia-superfish-ssl-validation-is-broken/	[19:54]
assbot	Komodia/Superfish SSL Validation is broken ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9fEvY )	[19:54]
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mats	not so big a deal since Windows Defender is now taking care of it, but nonetheless	[19:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00040675 = 58.2466 BTC [+] {2}	[20:03]
danielpbarron	mwahaha; i got the netconsole thing to work!	[20:03]
danielpbarron	v.cool	[20:03]
danielpbarron	i used this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023615	[20:05]
assbot	Logged on 18-02-2015 14:56:09; nubbins`: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html	[20:05]
danielpbarron	in the same process, I got it to boot from a memory card	[20:07]
danielpbarron	and i'd like to now try using a USB3 flash drive as the datadir	[20:07]
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danielpbarron	the memory card is required in combination with USB3 because the thing cannot have a root filesystem on drives attached to the ports on the rear, and the usb on the top (next to the sata port) is USB2	[20:10]
danielpbarron	but when the netbsd thing is ready to go, the memory card should not be necessary	[20:11]
danielpbarron	and if anyone has a pogo already and doesn't want to wait, i'd say go with debian over arch; right off the bat it looks like there's no systemd with debian	[20:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42815 @ 0.00040641 = 17.4004 BTC [-]	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign << i meant this! комсомольская правда!	[20:13]
pete_dushenski	hammer and sickle is... hammer and sickle	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	komsomolskaya pravda /	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolskaya_Pravda	[20:14]
assbot	Komsomolskaya Pravda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3v31y )	[20:14]
pete_dushenski	that'd be the one	[20:15]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735984 << from front page of bitcoin-tardland: "This project is completely open-source and I take 0 profit from it. Please note that there are more cost-effective ways of deploying full nodes and I mention that in the FAQs. This website is an experiment and an excersize on automatically deploying nodes when a certain balance is reached"	[20:15]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller mya?	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	kake's code doesn't work anymore	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	last time i tried it at least	[20:17]
punkman	quotes from ISIS on ask.fm http://www.rferl.org/content/islamic-state-questions-askfm-western-militant-wannabes/26686817.html	[20:18]
assbot	'I Want To Wage Jihad But I Don't Have A Thing To Wear' -- Western IS Wannabes Ask Burning Questions	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	reference: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/bitcoin-node/src	[20:18]
assbot	pankkake / bitcoin-node	[20:18]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: ah i was referring to http://fullnode.co	[20:19]
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pete_dushenski	a i see they're back	[20:20]
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pete_dushenski	their site was down last i checked	[20:20]
pete_dushenski	a whopping 66 nodes ! wowee!	[20:20]
punkman	thestringpuller: when did assbot start ignoring your links	[20:20]
punkman	kinda confusing to see log link without assbot spitting out the line	[20:21]
thestringpuller	!gettrust kakobrekla thestringpuller	[20:21]
assbot	Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user thestringpuller: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 8 via 6 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/kakobrekla/thestringpuller \| http://w.b-a.link/user/thestringpuller	[20:21]
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asciilifeform	fullnode.co << who is not with us, is against us.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	(TM)	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	there's no shortage of that "in bitcoin"	[20:28]
asciilifeform	also wtf with calling a vps fakecomputer 'full node'	[20:28]
asciilifeform	may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs	[20:28]
thestringpuller	Blow up the datacenter, good bye nodes.	[20:29]
asciilifeform	also didn't that thing appear around the same time as 'fakenode' (?) was published ?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	pseudonode.	[20:29]
thestringpuller	i think fullnode is a little older than pseudonode	[20:29]
pete_dushenski	o what words mean things now ?	[20:30]
asciilifeform	is it having any sizeable listing older than pseudonode ?	[20:30]
thestringpuller	it was before pankakke ragequit?	[20:30]
asciilifeform	speaking of, anyone know what became of herr pankkake ?	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	he's been even quiter than thickasthieves	[20:31]
asciilifeform	and did anyone ever come up with a logical explanation for his rage ?	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	tat still seems to do the twitter thing	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform ya, he didn't like the flavour of punch we were serving	[20:31]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: i think pseudonode is kinda like https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs and more of a comedy measure and not srsbsns	[20:32]
*	asciilifeform observes that it is not necessary to drink the punch to enjoy the company	[20:32]
pete_dushenski	but you're not french	[20:32]
mats	while we're on the subject, pankkake on fullnode: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam	[20:32]
assbot	Fullnode.co is a scam \| pankkake ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9pFZU )	[20:32]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: pseudonode works as printed on the tin	[20:32]
punkman	pseudonode also useful for DoS experiments and such	[20:32]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: still not srsbsns tho! it's a joke!	[20:33]
thestringpuller	don't be kanye, nao.	[20:33]
asciilifeform	the joke's on naive node counters	[20:33]
thestringpuller	^- exactly that's why it's funny!	[20:33]
pete_dushenski	are there non-naive node counters ? or a way to count nodes non-naively ?	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.0004039 = 15.8127 BTC [-] {2}	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28190 @ 0.00040818 = 11.5066 BTC [+]	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./ << lol so money.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	yep	[20:46]
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ben_vulpes		[20:48]
ben_vulpes	may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << you wrecker, you!	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << this is part of the problem, and why the 61 figure is an upper bound	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	plenty of perfectly legitimately netops reasons to show the same server on multiple - and perhaps changing - ips	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot pankkake	[20:50]
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assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user pankkake: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/pankkake \| http://w.b-a.link/user/pankkake	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	apparently quitting doesn't actually do anything.	[20:50]
thestringpuller	Mafia-eque	[20:50]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I guess if the boys still play with Cartman, despite...	[20:51]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je-CPZRwbh8 << sheeit, apparently garbage still exists.	[20:52]
assbot	Garbage - When I Grow Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9v5UK )	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFTGfwJNmM << finally found the right fucking version.	[20:58]
assbot	Garbage - When I Grow Up (Live) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9wKdb )	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	wtf is wrong with people, bowdlerisation of everytrhing everywhere all the fucking time.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	obscure grunge-pop band from wisconsin, they re-release their pre 2000 songs to sound like shit. and not sort-of like shit. actually fucking shit, audibly so. you don't even have to be an opera critic with 20 different mezzo and coloratura sopranos under your belt.	[20:59]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-reaches-yet-another-ath/	[20:59]
assbot	Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Reaches Yet Another ATH \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9x6jQ )	[20:59]
pete_dushenski	go bitcoin!	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	though 'ath' parses quite a bit like defunct 'atc' but that's probably just me	[21:05]
ben_vulpes	or atf	[21:07]
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cazalla	i unno, i figured it was obvious	[21:10]
cazalla	at least in the context of qntra and having used all time high and ath a few times before in qntra articles	[21:11]
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cazalla	pete_dushenski, don't you know that variety speak? :P	[21:12]
pete_dushenski	lol still learning apparently	[21:12]
pete_dushenski	which reminds me that i've been meaning to do a variety speak guide for noobs...	[21:13]
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pete_dushenski	it's just... there's so many goddam words and phrases	[21:13]
pete_dushenski	it'd be a textbook	[21:13]
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cazalla	mebe ath is more a gamer thing, for example, muh dps hit an ath	[21:28]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/22/in-defense-of-wealthy-politicians/	[21:31]
assbot	In defense of wealthy politicians. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/17oH0mz )	[21:31]
pete_dushenski	that they need any defense at all should be a red flag to society	[21:32]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 344740 \| Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 \| Next Difficulty In: 2011 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 34 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 44645581059.8 \| Estimated Percent Change: -4.36719	[21:51]
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oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/rally/	[21:52]
assbot	Rally 'round the white flag ... ( http://bit.ly/1AkwsQP )	[21:52]
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indiancandy1	does anyone kno anything about	[21:56]
indiancandy1	bots that increase hits on utube	[21:56]
BingoBoingo	I don't know much more than they apparently exist	[21:57]
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cazalla	indiancandy1, can probably be had for cheap on fiverr	[22:04]
cazalla	you'll also be needing a time machine to go back to 2008 for when youtube ranked videos solely on views alone	[22:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040818 = 2.7756 BTC [+]	[22:13]
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starzz_	thank you	[22:18]
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starzz_	if I have been everified in bitcoin-otc does that translate to bitcoin assets	[22:20]
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BingoBoingo	starzz_: It does with gribble, but for voice here you need to send assbot !up	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	starzz_: Also you probably want to go to #freenode and request a cloak, some asshole intermittently runs a DoS bot here	[22:21]
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BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[22:29]
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indiancandy1	im not doinit for utube ranking	[22:29]
indiancandy1	im doing it 4	[22:29]
indiancandy1	media	[22:29]
indiancandy1	ahaha	[22:30]
indiancandy1	i wanna do a twerk video	[22:30]
indiancandy1	then di news around it	[22:30]
indiancandy1	3mill hit in 3days	[22:30]
indiancandy1	etc	[22:30]
ben_vulpes	do it in the nude, only way to get that kind of traffic.	[22:31]
indiancandy1	it wont go on thew news	[22:31]
indiancandy1	media wont pick it up	[22:31]
indiancandy1	if its nude	[22:31]
ben_vulpes	you're competing with kim kardashian, after all.	[22:31]
ben_vulpes	tell that to kim.	[22:31]
indiancandy1	kim	[22:32]
indiancandy1	has media on payroll	[22:32]
indiancandy1	i dont	[22:32]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: You know how she got them on payroll...	[22:33]
indiancandy1	but kim initially had money	[22:33]
indiancandy1	i dont	[22:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00040818 = 8.8983 BTC [+]	[22:33]
ben_vulpes	such sexcuses.	[22:34]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: No she didn't. Not until she made that flick with Ray J	[22:34]
indiancandy1	her dad	[22:34]
indiancandy1	was oj simpsons attorney	[22:34]
indiancandy1	she came from a middle class family	[22:34]
indiancandy1	the porn did help	[22:35]
indiancandy1	she sold it for 5mill	[22:35]
indiancandy1	but she had money b4	[22:35]
indiancandy1	i dnt	[22:35]
ben_vulpes	you gotta drop this "can't do anything cuz no money lol" attitude and focus on getting some money.	[22:37]
indiancandy1	yea	[22:37]
indiancandy1	but	[22:37]
indiancandy1	yea	[22:37]
indiancandy1	i need hits	[22:37]
ben_vulpes	!b 5	[22:37]
indiancandy1	so the media wil pick it	[22:37]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KHHJJC.txt )	[22:37]
indiancandy1	ytview chargs 6000 dollars	[22:37]
danielpbarron	you are getting hits right now..	[22:37]
indiancandy1	for 3million	[22:37]
ben_vulpes	don't fuck around trying to get the attention of interns in tv companies, that's not going to fly.	[22:38]
indiancandy1	whose on instagram btw	[22:38]
ben_vulpes	go fuck a television company executive, wrap him around your finger, leverage like that.	[22:38]
indiancandy1	i have a publicist	[22:38]
indiancandy1	lol	[22:38]
indiancandy1	but the media wont pick it up	[22:38]
indiancandy1	if its not like wow	[22:38]
indiancandy1	2mill hits in 3days	[22:38]
indiancandy1	wow	[22:38]
indiancandy1	kinda thing	[22:38]
indiancandy1	unless i pay	[22:38]
indiancandy1	the media	[22:38]
indiancandy1	and tats costly	[22:39]
danielpbarron	can you try to condense your thoughts into single lines?	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: Have you considered dating a rapper?	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	Works for Kim	[22:39]
indiancandy1	no rappers in uk	[22:41]
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indiancandy1	whose on instagram	[22:43]
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asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: wealthy politicians << u.s. folks perhaps remember perot ? interesting fella	[22:43]
pete_dushenski	;;google ross perot	[22:44]
gribble	Ross Perot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; H. Ross Perot - Famous Texans: ; Ross Perot - Biography - Business Leader - Biography.com:	[22:44]
pete_dushenski	'computer billionaire'	[22:44]
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asciilifeform	usg billionaire	[22:46]
pete_dushenski	bon soir!	[22:47]
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BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[23:12]
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punkman	indiancandy1: no rappers in uk << plenty of them but they are all poor	[23:22]
punkman	on the other hand, London's full of people with way too much money	[23:22]
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TheNewDeal	;;Bids 216.9	[23:25]
gribble	Bitstamp \| There are currently 4390.3307 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 993477.3393 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds	[23:25]
decimation	http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/just-asking-the-science-guy-bill-nye-gets-hot/2015/02/11/1e278afa-a66c-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html < Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' as kulaks "We have this top tier [of scientists] in the U.S., the people who graduated from Stanford, from Berkeley, from MIT, Cornell. Those people are still exceptional and really good. But we have this enormous gap between that and	[23:25]
decimation	just regular software writers	[23:26]
assbot	Just Asking: The Science Guy Bill Nye gets hot - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZy9yj )	[23:26]
decimation	and farmers and people that need to be scientifically literate."	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[23:26]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.5, vol: 7821.09675746 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.106, vol: 7852.57648 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 237.07, vol: 31142.23300928 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.8784, vol: 138020.38710000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 21.3968592 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 233.964227, vol: 77.03579533 \| Volume-weighted last average: 235.85934577	[23:26]
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TheNewDeal	;;Ticker	[23:35]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.98, Best ask: 236.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 236.88, 24 hour volume: 7857.00240715, 24 hour low: 232.48, 24 hour high: 247.0, 24 hour vwap: 237.411802714	[23:35]
nubbins`	re: uboot on pogo	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 how goes ho!	[23:35]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: hm?	[23:35]
nubbins`	http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html	[23:36]
assbot	Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch)	[23:36]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: yes, i think it was linked here a while ago	[23:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up dek_	[23:38]
-assbot-	You voiced dek_ for 30 minutes.	[23:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13048 @ 0.00040876 = 5.3335 BTC [-]	[23:38]
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indiancandy1	hey mp bae	[23:39]
indiancandy1	i miss u	[23:39]
dek_	hello	[23:39]
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mircea_popescu	so where's your twerking vid ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	how goes dek_	[23:40]
mats	hm, i learned today you can prepend your prompt with a ':' and have a ';' at the end, it will ignore whats in between so you can just copy and paste lines right from your terminal	[23:40]
danielpbarron	nubbins`, did you ever get that to work?	[23:41]
nubbins`	danielpbarron yeah, it's serving up files via smb right now	[23:41]
danielpbarron	oh.. but not bitcoind ?	[23:41]
nubbins`	no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering	[23:41]
nubbins`	:/	[23:41]
danielpbarron	bitcoind: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by bitcoind)	[23:42]
nubbins`	well, wait now.	[23:42]
nubbins`	didn't alf post some binaries to the ml?	[23:42]
nubbins`	danielpbarron +1	[23:42]
danielpbarron	and that's after i added a 'testing' repository to the sources list and upgraded libc	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`> no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering << ahahaha	[23:42]
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nubbins`	XD	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[23:43]
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danielpbarron	not that this is even what's gonna be used ultimately; i thought i'd just try it out real quick and it ended up becoming an obsession	[23:43]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: those were -wrong-	[23:43]
nubbins`	yeah	[23:43]
TheNewDeal	;;bc,stats	[23:43]
gribble	Current Blocks: 344752 \| Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 \| Next Difficulty In: 1999 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 21 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 48520572098.1 \| Estimated Percent Change: 3.93321	[23:43]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: use mod6's recipe for building -properly- static ones	[23:43]
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nubbins`	you're not trying to compile it on the pogo itself, are you?	[23:43]
danielpbarron	no	[23:44]
danielpbarron	i'm using the binary i cross-compiled on my gentoo machine	[23:44]
nubbins`	okay, was gonna say.. 8)	[23:44]
danielpbarron	the same binary that works on ArchLinux	[23:44]
asciilifeform	incidentally, seems like all the bsd folks disable the cpu cache on pogo	[23:44]
asciilifeform	i'd like to learn why	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	but see also:	[23:44]
asciilifeform	!s the lifeboat mutiny	[23:44]
assbot	2 results for 'the lifeboat mutiny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+lifeboat+mutiny	[23:44]
asciilifeform	^ on the pitfalls of reconnecting that which has been yanked	[23:44]
nubbins`	...	[23:45]
nubbins`	is the pitfall incomplete search results?	[23:45]
nubbins`	o, wait. there we go.	[23:45]
mod6	this was never actually posted publically yet. there is some very strange bjam error that doesn't allow the bash script to continue automatically. if one runs it, then you'll have to comment out the build lines for openssl, bdb, and boost and re-run.	[23:45]
mod6	I can post it if you wanna use it though. the hope was to have a fixed one here by sometime next week.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	post plz	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1: but she had money b4 << girl's done her homework.	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	Less than 6 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing	[23:47]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what machine ?	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1: ytview chargs 6000 dollars << you're prolly going to end up stuck around that sort of price, quarter cent per k, whatever.	[23:47]
mod6	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7MXmP2ba	[23:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zZA5Xt )	[23:47]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Pedestrian AMD powered laptop AMD E-350 CPU	[23:47]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what's the actual transfer rate ?	[23:48]
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asciilifeform	on the wire	[23:48]
mod6	sorry, damn hotel wireless keeps dropping me like every 90 seconds.	[23:48]
danielpbarron	so is it possible that i need to recompile my bitcoind, and this debian install is just fine? and for some reason ArchLinux doesn't mind?	[23:48]
asciilifeform	is it connecting preferentially to nodes in afghanistan, ip over dead goat ?	[23:48]
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asciilifeform	danielpbarron: if i had build that thing properly static, it would not be an issue	[23:48]
asciilifeform	*built	[23:48]
nubbins`	dgoip	[23:48]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I honestly and humbly lack the faculties of knowledge necessary to determine such	[23:49]
asciilifeform	hmm	[23:49]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: have you tried restricting it to one known-good node on the lan to sync from ?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	decimation: Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' << afaik this view was never controversial. i was kinda surprised to see people react to my ocasional statement to the effect with total shock.	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Nope, syncing "in the wild" to make sure it can. Looking like it will be a sub 2 week sync time so happy with that	[23:50]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo et al: the way i'm thinking now, the 'sync from one node at a time' thing will have to be killed with fire before 0.5.3/pogo (or otherwise) is given to civilians	[23:50]
asciilifeform	just like the memory leak	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Seems so	[23:50]
asciilifeform	because having it there - it is just unforgivable idiocy	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[23:51]
mod6	the static build script seems to exit after line 53 for some reason, haven't had time to debug. if one should figure out a workaround/fix/patch for that, that'd be much appreciated. otherwise I can fix myself when I'm back.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	problem is... not that straughtforward fix	[23:51]
asciilifeform	aha, requires sewing not only ripping	[23:51]
asciilifeform	ripping - easy	[23:51]
mod6	be advised that lines 4, 6 & 8 of that script need to be tuned to your local environment!	[23:52]
mod6	:]	[23:52]
asciilifeform	bad enough that i'm apparently chasing a low-level bit diddling bug in a sata driver for a godforsaken chip on a godforsaken os	[23:52]
asciilifeform	how did i fall into such a life.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	and would any of you care to do this instead	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	man with young children. "how did i fall into such a life!"	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	cuz you liked teh woman, foo.	[23:53]
nubbins`	sadly, the cheapest pogo a canadian can land is $25usd	[23:54]
nubbins`	still notu badu	[23:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: and which one was that	[23:54]
mod6	anyway, the foundation will publish a polished script sometime during the first few weeks of march.	[23:54]
nubbins`	blue "mobile", no lid. ebay.	[23:55]
mod6	sorry I didn't get a chance to clean that up before I left.	[23:55]
nubbins`	http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pogoplug-POGO-V4-A1-01-Mobile-for-PC-MAC-and-iPhone-iPad-/261410065617?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdd410cd1#shpCntId	[23:55]
assbot	Pogoplug Pogo V4 A1 01 Mobile FOR PC MAC AND Iphone Ipad 850877002290 \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZAM2U )	[23:55]
nubbins`	er no removable lid	[23:55]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: sata-less	[23:56]
nubbins`	nod	[23:56]
nubbins`	right, someone mentioned the exercise in patience i have awaiting me	[23:56]
nubbins`	~$35usd for sata-ful	[23:57]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: can't order from usian 'amazon' ?	[23:57]
mod6	for the vi-impared, if you run the script as-is, and you hit that weird issue as I did, simply start up vi and run this	[23:57]
mod6	:35,53 s/^/#/	[23:57]
asciilifeform	or killer postage cost	[23:57]
nubbins`	well, no, maybe the same	[23:57]
mod6	then :wq and re-run the script	[23:57]
nubbins`	asciilifeform most electronic items simply do not offer a checkout button for canadians	[23:57]
danielpbarron	what is shipping from US to CA?	[23:57]
nubbins`	danielpbarron insanely cheap for everything but electronics.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	i've never had problems getting items from ca	[23:58]
nubbins`	phun phact, we order most of our paper from brooklyn	[23:58]
danielpbarron	how would they know?	[23:58]
danielpbarron	i mean from me to you	[23:58]
nubbins`	how would the shippers know?	[23:58]
nubbins`	o.	[23:58]
nubbins`	the customs form, i guess	[23:58]
nubbins`	i don't think there's any special duty or anything, just american electronics websites usually charge limbs to .ca	[23:58]
nubbins`	you mailing me ten packaged pogos would raise eyebrows at customs	[23:59]
danielpbarron	eh, unless you're getting more than one it's probably not worth it anyway for just 15 bucks	[23:59]
nubbins`	yeah	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ?	[23:59]
mod6	last note: this is all predicated on the fact that one would have run the v0.0.8 perl script to patch the R.I. So you might need to alter line 62 to point to the correct bitcoin build directory.	[23:59]

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