Forum logs for 20 Oct 2017
| mircea_popescu: | and in random weird, http://edgecasesoftware.com/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits.txt | [00:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol | [00:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/v35oI/?raw=true | [05:50] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland | [07:11] |
| shinohai: | This is great ... what can possibly go wrong? https://github.com/Arachnid/solsha1 | [09:59] |
| diana_coman: | on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly) at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about? | [10:52] |
| diana_coman: | I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman probably flow control | [10:59] |
| diana_coman: | lol mircea_popescu | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i r halp! | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok anything else centos wants there specifically? | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh | [11:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | whats dmesg say ? | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc centos format is (sudo) setserial blabla, it lists devices / state etc with -g | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | hm, it sees it/reports it fine as far as I can tell pl2303 attached to ttyUSB0 ehci_hcd | [11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ? | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | will dig some more later I guess unless someone knows this already | [11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ? | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | what X? no X on that machine, lol | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | then nfi, pretty bizarre. | [11:12] |
| shinohai: | In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either something is weird there | [12:54] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, maybe ixany too, lemme see | [12:55] |
| shinohai: | Indeed .... been a long time since I messed with CentOS so I may be wrong here .... | [12:55] |
| diana_coman: | no, still hanging, ugh | [12:56] |
| diana_coman: | guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help | [12:57] |
| diana_coman: | eh, raw actually includes -ixoff and -ixany so no wonder that did not do much | [13:17] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: gotta find out how your setup differs from that of mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , danielpbarron , et al | [13:20] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: also double-check your wiring. | [13:20] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, screen works on *same machine* | [13:25] |
| diana_coman: | hence, more a matter of what does screen do differently | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | what means screen works ? | [13:25] |
| diana_coman: | screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc) | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | screen won't tell you this | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically dd simply hangs | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | usually hangs | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | when you ctrl-c , what's it say ? | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | '0 bytes copied' ? | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [13:27] |
| asciilifeform: | red lamp on FG lit ? flickers ? | [13:27] |
| diana_coman: | one in x runs of dd will even actually copy something | [13:27] |
| diana_coman: | green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine | [13:27] |
| diana_coman: | well, working, no noise | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | switch the serial cables from one to the other | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | b/w the working and the sad one | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables ) | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 1) switch the entire ensembles places | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables unlikely all three borked | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 2) then switch back, and switch only the cables. | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | 2. on same cable, screen reads ... | [13:30] |
| asciilifeform: | screen will not necessarily show anything if you feed it 8bit garbage | [13:30] |
| diana_coman: | but it shows...something at least why does the other one not show anything? | [13:30] |
| asciilifeform: | the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v | [13:30] |
| diana_coman: | I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too there it works | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | that is an ubuntu os | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this | [13:32] |
| asciilifeform: | ugh | [13:41] |
| asciilifeform: | at this point i'd say that ubuntu is not a linux and explicitly unsupported... | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a fuckknowswhat | [13:42] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, yes, fine trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | hm now that's odd | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | betcha it's a buggy pl2303 driver. | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ? | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere | [13:44] |
| diana_coman: | hm, should have somewhere will dig and try I guess | [13:44] |
| shinohai: | !!up collarmeslut | [14:03] |
| deedbot: | collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes. | [14:03] |
| shinohai: | Welcome collarmeslut | [14:03] |
| shinohai: | Well how do you expect to get collared, slut, if you don't say anything? | [14:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | Have your tried plugging it into your rs-232 port shinohai? | [14:25] |
| shinohai: | wassat BingoBoingo | [14:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | Your serial port, you know so she can speak through | [14:25] |
| shinohai: | lol | [14:26] |
| phf: | diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device | [14:44] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( will pass through some bits, but at fraction of rated bandwidth and PATTERNED crapola ) | [14:45] |
| asciilifeform: | i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG | [14:46] |
| phf: | well, if her stty is identical to whatever screen does, she should end up in an identical broken state, i.e. getting bits from dd same way she's getting bits from screen | [14:46] |
| asciilifeform: | i don't see a mention of anything ~appearing~ in diana_coman's screen -- merely that it doesn't barf from nonexistent tty | [14:47] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman did anything appear ? | [14:47] |
| phf: | i assumed by http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-20-oct-2017#2352474 she means that there's some kind of output | [14:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 17:26 diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely | [14:48] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, yes I was trying to get that through but I'm possibly too tired for it: using screen results in constant stream of data | [14:48] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty odd. | [14:48] |
| diana_coman: | on the sad part it seems suitable cable not in house atm so it'll have to wait until tomorrow | [14:48] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: you can have a hardware button fixed pattern: hold a button, a fixed pattern of bits come out that you use for sanity check | [14:48] |
| diana_coman: | on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | apparently uncompatible though very similar and reported same ofc etc | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: on one hand could be useful, on other -- one more piece for enemy to wedge shut or otherwise manipulate in the post | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | for enemy, for dust, for workings of ordinary mechanical failure | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun like having rng that is physically capable of putting out nonrandom. | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | bad enough that the cpld fw is rewritable. | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | apparently there are 2 adapters namely ps2303 and ps2303x incompatible same vendor id and product id though | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i'dve installed onetimefused cpld, but IT DOES NOT EXIST on the market ) | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | and so this one seems to be pl2303x | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | gah, pl* not ps | [14:50] |
| asciilifeform: | nuts. | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | but detected as pl2303,hence barfs | [14:51] |
| asciilifeform: | ugh | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | "the pl2303x can be distinguished from a pl2303 by checking bMaxPacketSize0 for device using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303 if bmaxpacketsize0 is 64 you probably have pl2303x" | [14:52] |
| phf: | a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems | [14:52] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: i fucking hate usbtoserial dongles | [14:52] |
| asciilifeform: | problem is that ~nobody has an actual serial port | [14:52] |
| phf: | they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes ) | [14:55] |
| asciilifeform: | and i will NOT make a rng that doesn't work with msdos box | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | so it is and will forever be a serial device, compatible with e.g. data diode. | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | who has a box that understands plain old circa 1960s rs232 -- can use fuckgoats | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | who does not have -- cannot. | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | it is pretty basic 'pons asinorum' of sane hardware. | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver | [15:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?" | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled | [15:01] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ? | [15:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Described self as datacenter | [15:01] |
| phf: | прачечная хуячечная это министерство культуры | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727299 bwhaaha | [15:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 18:52 phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | teh sad truth | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727261 << where "everywhere" is one of the most widely installed web distros, at that. not even fucking obscure or anything. | [15:19] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 17:44 asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727264 << aww, the things i missed. | [15:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 18:03 deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes. | [15:20] |
| shinohai: | Nothing worse than an introverted slut | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | all sluts are introverts. | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | extroverts make great dickteases. | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other choices and options, http://78.media.tumblr.com/93f81ba493dbb4d047886193c095ecfe/tumblr_nl99he3WxU1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727285 << ahahaha. totally forgot about this shit. | [15:25] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 18:49 diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz obviously no standard can stay unembraced. | [15:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | Cuntoo when? | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727308 if only such heroes. | [15:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 18:56 asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot. | [15:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727313 << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?" | [15:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-20 19:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ? | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ? | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform simmer down, what're you so irritable foar. | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | and i have nfi what do. | [15:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | Reffer questions to the dongler? It's his profession? | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: this re diana_coman thread | [15:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | And the other 98? | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't expect there's much anyone can do. so far, we gather dataz. | [15:32] |
| ben_vulpes: | eth kissing 0.05 | [16:22] |
| shinohai: | !!up sexylucy | [18:41] |
| deedbot: | sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes. | [18:41] |
| shinohai: | Hi sexylucy | [18:41] |
| sexylucy: | mircea_popescu hay Bitcoin por tetas? | [18:41] |
| shinohai: | Hola sexylucy .... imagino que esta ausente por el momento, puedes esperar un momento? | [18:42] |
| shinohai: | !~ticker --market all | [18:57] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5970.0, vol: 14654.47240142 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5972.8, vol: 60631.91066838 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5978.0, vol: 4411.05321761 | Volume-weighted last average: 5972.57295322 | [18:57] |
| shinohai: | !~blocks | [18:57] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: 490883 | [18:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | sexylucy si que hay. b581b0a2 porfa. | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | which reminds me, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724778 | [18:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-13 01:54 mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever. | [18:59] |
| sexylucy: | un momento | [19:00] |
| sexylucy: | mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/DJ6p3B8.jpg | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | there you go. | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | sexylucy direccion de bitcoin ? | [19:08] |
| sexylucy: | 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2 | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!withdraw 0.02 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2 | [19:09] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EXOzd/?raw=true | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | sexylucy tarda unas horas. | [19:10] |
| sexylucy: | si, ok gracias | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers. | [19:11] |
| shinohai: | A bot that can pay for tits, such technology :) | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | the future of the human race emerges ever clearer. | [19:12] |
| * trinque | does still owe a guide | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i dun have it i can't alter the article so they can't have to make wallets etc.\ | [19:14] |
| trinque: | I'm over here eagerly awaiting a printout, first non-hand-keyed withdrawal | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey. sweet. | [19:14] |
| * shinohai | would be thrilled if he figured out a viable business involving deedbot/tips | [19:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | just the tips? | [19:15] |
| asciilifeform: | dice!!111 | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai the good news being that the juggernaught of the republic doth daily advance, so eventually it'll come. | [19:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | :D | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes dja know the romanian joke with the bloke putting in just the tip ? | [19:15] |
| shinohai: | jejeje | [19:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: no, do tell | [19:15] |
| shinohai: | s/tips/tits | [19:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | "#trilema: just the tits" | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | hawt girly at that difficult age, kinda would like kinda dun wanna. guy proposes he puts in just the head. | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | she eventually agress, and he fucks the living daylights out of her. | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | after they come to, she's like "hey, i thought you were going to put in just the head ?" | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | "well there's no shoulders on dick, honey." | [19:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | heh mhm | [19:16] |
| trinque: | bwahaha | [19:17] |
| shinohai: | xD | [19:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: I've got NUMBERS!!! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gZb24/?raw=true | [19:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | why are they secret ? | [19:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | Eh, figured someone would want surprise, but $3840/month 8kva and 2x10bps links | [19:30] |
| BingoBoingo: | Located in Sao Paulo, Brazil | [19:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha, bout same range as other one huh. | [19:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | Number helpfully offered in USD to the Gringo | [19:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [19:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, you gonna pursue this ? | [19:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | Roughly the same range, and Yeah, I don't see reason not too. Should have a bunch more numbers early next week. | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | same q as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726308 | [19:33] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-18 18:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja want an advance ? | [19:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt. | [19:35] |
| shinohai: | yay buttsex | [19:38] |
| BingoBoingo: | This seems to be a good time for any Lords or L2's interested in homing a box to reach out. | [19:43] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already | [19:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen. | [20:01] |
| * asciilifeform | takeoff in 30m | [20:24] |
| shinohai: | Safe voyage asciilifeform and have fun! | [20:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | exciting times. | [21:15] |
| mod6: | indeed. | [21:22] |
| shinohai: | tfw BTC hits 3 trillion dollars @ kraken https://imgur.com/DFa8qqJ | [22:02] |
| shinohai: | SELL | [22:02] |
| shinohai: | lol | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~ticker --market all | [22:48] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6065.98, vol: 17408.47924263 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6087.1, vol: 65906.06464691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6060.0, vol: 5057.83792347 | Volume-weighted last average: 6081.38854944 | [22:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | dat bitcoin crash, > ethereum | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | who ever could hope to pay for lulz such as these... | [22:50] |
| shinohai: | Not that anything has changed in a month, but almost 0 utility for Bitcoin Crash AT ALL: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6x6uqh/list_of_bitcoin_cash_accepting_businesses/ | [22:53] |
| shinohai: | "My drug dealer accepts Bitcoin Crash" lmfao | [22:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | the thing, is, no-one ever accepts any of the alts other than as a bitcoin derivative. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's like claiming "we accept dollars AND euros". why, because the euro's a thing now ? | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, sure, it has a float rate and everything". right-o. | [22:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other lulz, https://medium.com/@nopara73/new-bitcoin-anonymity-technique-the-clusterfuck-wallet-d48aa1787324 | [22:55] |
| shinohai: | Meanwhile, on yours all the "Hot" articles combined total less than I could make for writing a single Qntra. (maybe 2) | [23:00] |
| shinohai: | https://www.yours.org/ | [23:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | doh. | [23:01] |
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