Forum logs for 19 Sep 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[02:37]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[02:37]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013	[02:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.002744 = 2.4696 BTC [+]	[02:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.16 = 0.64 BTC [+]	[02:38]
Urushiol	I'm jealous of your supporter mask, MP	[02:39]
Urushiol	cloak, rather	[02:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 17453 @ 0.00277579 = 48.4459 BTC [+] {17}	[02:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 240 @ 0.00274 = 0.6576 BTC [-]	[02:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 229 @ 0.00273997 = 0.6275 BTC [-] {3}	[02:41]
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mircea_popescu	whyssat ?	[02:43]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1552 = 0.3104 BTC [-]	[02:43]
ThickAsThieves	does MPEX have historical trade data accessible via API?	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	via assbot, for instance.	[02:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1190 @ 0.00279347 = 3.3242 BTC [+] {3}	[02:47]
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ThickAsThieves	looking for the real thing i mean	[02:48]
ThickAsThieves	something reliable	[02:48]
Ukyo	mircea_popescu: assbot appears to sum trades together now :)	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	I appeciate that feature actually	[02:50]
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ThickAsThieves	but it compromises other things	[02:50]
kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	thanks kako!	[02:50]
kakobrekla	:)	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	Ukyo i think that's a display thing	[02:51]
Ukyo	ah	[02:51]
Ukyo	btw, it appears the labcoin address has had a deposit of some 3.x btc from slush's pool	[02:51]
ThickAsThieves	Ukyo i'ma be bugging you next!	[02:51]
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ThickAsThieves	where's the for real API	[02:51]
Ukyo	ThickAsThieves: I have an app for that.	[02:51]
ThickAsThieves	I need all your dataz	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves other than that i've not yet made a data feed. waiting for a company to offer to do this, and convince me that it has a market above and beyond assbot.	[02:52]
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ThickAsThieves	nah not an app	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	mp I will be in touch sooner or later on that then	[02:52]
Ukyo	but... "It' has the wifi's and the GBs"	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[02:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 932 @ 0.00262815 = 2.4494 BTC [-] {3}	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	mircea_popescu, in case you didnt parse the conv from earlier today,	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	I need to put on my Annoying BitBet Customer Hat	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	This bet resolved incorrectly: http://bitbet.us/bet/460/mt-gox-to-have-50-trade-volume/	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	Proof is here: http://data.bitcoinity.org/#caaaaadgaa	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	looking at 8/28/13	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	sorry	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	Aug 28	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	you have to use the link indicated in the bet tho.	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	the bet link is dynamic	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	which means at some point	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	it would hav eproven the same	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	just needed to be looking in the right day	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily.	[02:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091747 = 13.3492 BTC [-] {2}	[02:57]
ThickAsThieves	how does BitBet know it was false?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	your link currently reads for me " Something went terribly wrong"	[02:57]
ThickAsThieves	it checked every day?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, does it include all the markets ?	[02:57]
ThickAsThieves	it includes enough data to show that any more added markets would only make it more right	[02:57]
ThickAsThieves	maybe you need javascript?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	i don't follow that reasoning too well. but anyway : absent someone with a screenshot of the proper link, there's no basis to contest the bet.	[02:58]
ThickAsThieves	there's no basis to say it was false	[02:58]
nubbins`	there's no basis to say anything	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	bitbet does not need to show basis.	[02:58]
nubbins`	zing	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	you need to show basis if you wish to disagree.	[02:58]
ThickAsThieves	it needs to use data to decide	[02:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 5 @ 0.18998 = 0.9499 BTC [+]	[02:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2 = 10 BTC [+]	[02:59]
ThickAsThieves	if i were to get historical data from bitcoincharts.org and it showed it was true	[02:59]
nubbins`	i'm kinda surprised at HIM's price	[02:59]
ThickAsThieves	would you then fix the issue?	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	then you'd have a pretty good leg to stand on.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	unless there was some flaw in it. in case you're wondering btw, this has happened in the past	[03:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 7 @ 0.0175 = 0.1225 BTC [-]	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	(once)	[03:00]
nubbins`	seems like they're sitting on a bunch of mining hardware with very little prospect of roi	[03:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3270 @ 0.00271259 = 8.8702 BTC [+] {5}	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-disaster/	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	there.	[03:00]
ozbot	The anatomy of a disaster pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:00]
*	nubbins` sighs	[03:00]
nubbins`	0.01 btc minimum? paste an address	[03:00]
nubbins`	congrats, you've done what the globe & mail couldn't	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	whassat ?	[03:01]
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nubbins`	convince me to pay for content	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	1 sec	[03:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.783 BTC [-]	[03:02]
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mircea_popescu	$avg	[03:05]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: 131.15	[03:05]
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nubbins`	what's everyone's thoughts on using brain wallets for cold storage?	[03:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1550 @ 0.00283802 = 4.3989 BTC [+] {3}	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	if you've never made original contributions to a scientific field your mind is probably too banal for the brain wallet to be safer than the alternatives.	[03:11]
nubbins`	well, 'Password1' obv isn't going to cut it	[03:13]
nubbins`	but let's assume that one is intelligent enough to create a passphrase with a very high level of entropy	[03:13]
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mircea_popescu	then we can assume the wallet will be safe.	[03:13]
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nubbins`	y'know, i'm realizing that this isn't a terribly complicated topic to discuss	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	:p	[03:14]
nubbins`	anyway, seems a lot easier than keeping backups of wallet.dat files in encrypted usb drives in bank vaults	[03:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 485 @ 0.002829 = 1.3721 BTC [-]	[03:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 5 @ 0.18998 = 0.9499 BTC [+]	[03:15]
nubbins`	while sacrificing nothing in the way of security, as long as it's done properly	[03:15]
thestringpuller	why not pull a breaking bad mr. nubbins`	[03:15]
thestringpuller	print out a paper wallet	[03:16]
thestringpuller	destroy all back ups	[03:16]
thestringpuller	bury paper wallet in desert	[03:16]
thestringpuller	put gps coordinates on lotto ticket	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	what if he needs it one day ?	[03:16]
nubbins`	i don't have reliable access to plastic barrels	[03:16]
thestringpuller	YISS	[03:16]
thestringpuller	:D	[03:16]
nubbins`	and, what if i need it one day	[03:16]
thestringpuller	go unbury your 10000 btc from the desert	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	he's gonna be out there digging ditches with nicky santoro.	[03:17]
nubbins`	better hope GPS accuracy is really tight on that particular day	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	"A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all fuckin' night."	[03:17]
nubbins`	lel	[03:18]
nubbins`	i was living in a rental once, and the landlord was showing some new prospective tenants around	[03:18]
nubbins`	this guy walks in	[03:18]
nubbins`	"any idiots or sketch-bags around here? 'cause i don't wanna be digging' holes"	[03:18]
nubbins`	although i was torn, i eventually chose the response "just us"	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	some other time, two chicks living together, landlord comes to do the same thing with a young goofy married couple.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	one of the two says "oh, i rent here, but she comes with the place".	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	dood was drooling so hard his wife didn't want to rent anymore.	[03:21]
nubbins`	lel	[03:21]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu what would be the ideal solution for a lemming storing btc "securely"	[03:21]
thestringpuller	or is security not a privelage the stupid deserve?	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	strangely you can spell security but not privilege!	[03:22]
nubbins`	paper wallet printed from offline machine	[03:22]
nubbins`	but hey	[03:22]
thestringpuller	XD	[03:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.797 BTC [+]	[03:22]
nubbins`	lemmings don't have offline machines	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, the best security is having a cheap laptop you don't use for anything else. generate a wallet and some gpg keys.	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	you can email your wallet to yourself in gpg encrypted form for backup, and just hang on tight to the laptop.	[03:23]
asciilifeform	know what would be spiffy? mechanical btc engine, a la Kurta.	[03:23]
asciilifeform	the ultimate 'offline'.	[03:23]
pankkake	if it's inconvenient, people are going to compromise	[03:23]
pankkake	so I am really skeptical of paper wallets	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	anyone can afford/use a cheapo old laptop	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	and nobody's stealing that.	[03:23]
nubbins`	y'know, a printer/scanner combo would be a great thing for a cold machine to have.	[03:23]
kakobrekla	how about those hw wallets for ze noobs	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	meh. i dont trust hardware these days.	[03:24]
thestringpuller	nobody's stealing it because it's old?	[03:24]
thestringpuller	or nobody's stealing it because GPG is hard to crack?	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yeah. who do you think steals a laptop you got for 180 on ebay ?	[03:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 6 @ 0.01799 = 0.1079 BTC [+]	[03:24]
thestringpuller	notbad.jpg	[03:24]
nubbins`	bonus if it's covered in stickers	[03:24]
thestringpuller	lolol hipster laptops	[03:24]
nubbins`	anything valuable, you wanna ruin with stickers	[03:24]
thestringpuller	no one steals those	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	stuff some pubes under the spacebar	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	that kinda thing	[03:24]
pankkake	burglars are dumb. I know from experience	[03:25]
thestringpuller	lol "this thing only has pubes and screenplays, I can't pawn this"	[03:25]
pankkake	they don't know what's valuable	[03:25]
asciilifeform	dumb enough to throw anything vaguely-laptop-like in a sack and look afterwards.	[03:25]
thestringpuller	with that logic you could make a poster with public private key that sits next to your bed	[03:25]
nubbins`	anyway, cold machine with printer/scanner: you wanna decrypt a message, just print it from your hot machine and do OCR on the cold machine	[03:25]
asciilifeform	i was on a jury where an idiot did exactly this	[03:25]
nubbins`	saves all that pesky manual transcription	[03:25]
thestringpuller	no burglar gonna steal a poster	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you can trivially put a qr reader	[03:25]
pankkake	anyway laptops, even without bitcoin, can easily be more valuable for their data	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	cheaper, faster, just as good.	[03:26]
nubbins`	too true	[03:26]
nubbins`	cheap webcam	[03:26]
nubbins`	tougher for gpg tho	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know, i've never been burglarized ?	[03:26]
pankkake	but why would you care? encrypt, put backups everywhere	[03:26]
thestringpuller	"My bank won't wire transfer to Slovenia (Bitstamp) says that it is a sanctioned country."	[03:27]
nubbins`	probably got it mixed up with syria	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	or somalia.	[03:28]
nubbins`	or siberia	[03:28]
thestringpuller	Silly Americans.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	siberia is not a country.	[03:28]
nubbins`	tell that to the people advocating military strikes against it	[03:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.813 BTC [+]	[03:28]
asciilifeform	zbigniew brzezinski has a map in his evil plotting room where it is a country	[03:28]
nubbins`	actually, don't; you'll only draw attention to yourself	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol good point.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	btw nubbins` next time the marketing herpderps wish to know how come i get more traffic rthan the globe&mail i'ma quote you to them.	[03:30]
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nubbins`	that, and there's less vitriol in the comments on trilema	[03:31]
nubbins`	take that as a compliment or a slight	[03:31]
thestringpuller	lol	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	actually my comment section is usually better than the articles.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	present company excluded of course.	[03:32]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 220 @ 0.002399 = 0.5278 BTC [+] {2}	[03:32]
nubbins`	natch	[03:32]
nubbins`	and i agree	[03:33]
nubbins`	comment sections are usually abysmal intellectual wastelands	[03:33]
nubbins`	where the open-mouthed and the dull-eyed spill their half-baked opinions	[03:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 1108 @ 0.0026 = 2.8808 BTC [+]	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	re open-mouthed http://de-motivational-posters.com/images/alien-no-cocksucker.jpg	[03:34]
nubbins`	never realizing that they're unpaid actors in a reality show called "morons on the internet"	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	reality shows pay now ?!	[03:35]
nubbins`	well, i thought the winners got paid?	[03:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.78266666 = 10.696 BTC [-] {4}	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	set of steak knives ?	[03:36]
nubbins`	i guess some just do it for the 'fame'	[03:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78 BTC [-]	[03:36]
nubbins`	or the IRL equivalent of sticking a sharpie in your ass for a btc	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	"some". it used to be porn actresses were paid, but by now it's mostly hookers	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	ahem. i mean escorts.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	doing it to be able to say they are published writers.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	oslt	[03:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.79 = 16.11 BTC [+]	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of cocksucker blues,	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	this is a train designed to BLOW SNOW : http://www.toddicus.com/skagway%20snow%20train%20mover.JPG	[03:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.00274837 = 0.1374 BTC [-] {3}	[03:45]
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asciilifeform	reminds me of http://www.granddistraction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tbm.jpg	[03:46]
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Urushiol	is there any info on the discovery asset? like who runs it and what their experience / proof of competency is?	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure there's no proof of competency.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what's that, uranium centrifuge ?	[03:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 145 @ 0.00280335 = 0.4065 BTC [+] {7}	[03:48]
Ukyo	Urushiol: tyrion of ADDICTION runs it	[03:49]
asciilifeform	tunnel digger.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	looked stationary.	[03:49]
asciilifeform	as in, everybody's metro	[03:49]
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asciilifeform	there's caterpillars down there somewhere.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	jesus christ, chrome has taken over the internet. 69k / 200k visits today come via chrome	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	when has this happened ?!	[03:50]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3186052#msg3186052	[03:51]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc.	[03:51]
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mircea_popescu	ff 44k, msi 17k, i guess microsoft is pretty much dead huh.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake deprived reads pretty sane. now wtf is qwith the usagi acquisition ? he ever explain ?	[03:52]
pankkake	he did	[03:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 566 @ 0.00044 = 0.249 BTC [+]	[03:52]
pankkake	it seems to be low risk for him, but I haven't read the details	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3186110#msg3186110	[03:53]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	o look at that.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mcyrb/labcoin_crashes_as_news_reveals_lies/	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	somewhat lulzy.	[03:56]
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ozbot	Labcoin crashes as news reveals lies : Bitcoin	[03:57]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 233 @ 0.00282635 = 0.6585 BTC [+] {4}	[04:01]
kakobrekla	>>>So let me get this right. Someone mined 3 BTC and sent it to the Labcoin wallet to cause a price spike?	[04:01]
kakobrekla	Which I bought into.	[04:01]
kakobrekla	How dumb am I? What kind a person does this?	[04:01]
kakobrekla	LMAO	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	"Obviously, I'm just pointing out that MP is the Carrot Top of investment advice"	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	"Scott Thompson (born February 25, 1965), better known by his stage name Carrot Top, is an American comedian, known for his bright red hair, prop comedy, and self-deprecating humor."	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	dude... nothing matches. red hair, me ? self-deprecating humor ?!	[04:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01743 = 0.1394 BTC [+]	[04:02]
pankkake	I'd just reply with "If you have Labcoin shares (and don't have inside knowledge) you ARE a fucking idiot. There's no grey area on that."	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck, you could pick a better matching comedian throwing darts	[04:02]
kakobrekla	you throw darts?	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	i sometimes throw darts.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	this is why i like girls with meaty tails.	[04:03]
pankkake	nice	[04:03]
pankkake	so what comedian would you matched to?	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[04:04]
pankkake	+be	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	well, i dunno. don rickles if i want to flatter myself ?	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	i mean, he says nigger all the time, right ?	[04:04]
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pankkake	widely known as an insult comic	[04:06]
pankkake	nice	[04:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.002789 = 1.3945 BTC [-]	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	actually he's widely known as "mr warmth"	[04:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 118 @ 0.00279012 = 0.3292 BTC [+] {2}	[04:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2471 @ 0.00280365 = 6.9278 BTC [+] {4}	[04:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 529 @ 0.002835 = 1.4997 BTC [+]	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	Since we're doing Casino : "Ace Rothstein: Listen, if you didn't know you're bein' scammed, you're too fuckin' dumb to keep this job. If you did know, you were in on it. Either way, you're out. Get out! Go on. Let's go."	[04:11]
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thestringpuller	;;google don rickles	[04:15]
gribble	Don Rickles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Don Rickles: ; Don Rickles - IMDb:	[04:15]
thestringpuller	don rickles is so old	[04:15]
thestringpuller	"I'm Mr. Potato head"	[04:15]
thestringpuller	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1979376/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1 - seriously?	[04:16]
ozbot	Toy Story 4 - IMDb	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but he's the only guy mocking obama out there.	[04:16]
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thestringpuller	not jon steward?	[04:16]
thestringpuller	or stephen colbert?	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	not afaik. what they say ?	[04:17]
Duffer1	https://www.google.com/#q=jon%20stewart%20slams%20obama	[04:17]
ozbot	Google	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	“President Obama is a personal friend of mine. He was over to the house yesterday, but the mop broke.”	[04:17]
Duffer1	it's pretty funny usually worth watching	[04:18]
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Duffer1	stewarts an equal opportunity hater, it's why i like him	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	always a good thing that.	[04:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.802 BTC [+]	[04:22]
thestringpuller	http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2013/09/04/jon-stewart-latest-media-lib-blast-obama-syria-war-plans	[04:23]
thestringpuller	that has a pretty good treanscript	[04:23]
thestringpuller	OBAMA: We have been very clear to the Assad regime but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.	[04:23]
thestringpuller	STEWART: See the red line. You can.t use chemicals to kill your own people. You have to do it organically! America and the world want to make sure Assad only uses locally sourced, free-long-range land ordinance.	[04:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.808 = 3.616 BTC [+] {2}	[04:23]
thestringpuller	Now, back in the early .80s, we knew that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran and were likely to use them again. Not only did we not attack them, we supported Iraq in doing it. And of course, we still reserve the right to use bunker-busters, cluster bombs, and the Mark 77 which is not, not filled with napalm, technically.	[04:23]
thestringpuller	soooo i mean rickles isn't the only one talking out against obama	[04:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+]	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	they seem quite on different levels.	[04:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.784 BTC [-]	[04:27]
thestringpuller	how so?	[04:27]
thestringpuller	steward is definitely for lemmings	[04:28]
thestringpuller	since he actively knows only stoners watch his show regularly	[04:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 3498 @ 0.00091399 = 3.1971 BTC [-]	[04:28]
thestringpuller	"Put down the bong, the pope isn't coming" and such comments	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	saying "take this twenty and give it to your sister" is one thing. saying "well i hear a certain young lady has seen more things than you'd expect" it's quite another.	[04:28]
ThickAsThieves	stewart*	[04:30]
thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/l39e52c.jpg - relevant	[04:30]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.752 BTC [-]	[04:31]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[04:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0174 = 0.174 BTC [-]	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	that's a pretty bad tie.	[04:33]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 32 @ 0.09714062 = 3.1085 BTC [-] {4}	[04:34]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 426 @ 0.00264825 = 1.1282 BTC [-] {11}	[04:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.00256124 = 12.8062 BTC [-] {4}	[04:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [BMF] 75 @ 0.03385333 = 2.539 BTC [+] {4}	[04:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01736 = 0.5034 BTC [-]	[04:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 908 @ 0.0025479 = 2.3135 BTC [-] {3}	[04:38]
ThickAsThieves	So mircea, would you be willing to at least independently acknowledge that this data shows Gox having less than 50% of btc volume on Aug 28? http://data.bitcoinity.org/#caaaaadgaa	[04:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.01735098 = 1.2319 BTC [-] {2}	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	i can't load it. how'd i go about that ?	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	put the page as a pastebin somewhere ?	[04:41]
ThickAsThieves	it's graphical	[04:42]
ThickAsThieves	use Chrome, like everybody else	[04:42]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	lol well, i'm willing to acknowledge i don't use chrome.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	so put it as a screenshot.	[04:42]
ThickAsThieves	loads in Opera for me	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, since i'm stuck guessing : your link probably onyl counts mtgoxusd.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	there's also eur, jpy, and whatever the fuck else, like 4-5 things.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	this was discuissed on the bet comments on like two different passes.	[04:44]
ThickAsThieves	its all currencies	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	is it ?	[04:44]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[04:44]
thestringpuller	yea it's all them	[04:44]
thestringpuller	currency: "all currencies"	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	but does that actually correctly include the same thing as the bitcoincharts includes.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	i mean, "all currencies" might mean anything.	[04:45]
ThickAsThieves	http://imgur.com/wykMkTr	[04:45]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[04:45]
ThickAsThieves	thats the chart	[04:46]
ThickAsThieves	here is the currency list	[04:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://imgur.com/UZ7SKmQ	[04:46]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	well now we know for a fact it's not good : the bitcoincharts site doesn't include this bit2c thing	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	also i don't see no rmbtb	[04:47]
ThickAsThieves	including more exchanges would only help my case	[04:47]
Ukyo	there are roughly 5 chinese rmb exchanges	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves how do you reason ?	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	if you're half of your household including more girlfriends makes you more or less a % ?	[04:48]
ThickAsThieves	gox's pie would decrease more	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	exactly ?	[04:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01679 = 0.8731 BTC [-] {2}	[04:48]
ThickAsThieves	yes the bet says gox will have less than 50%	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	which is why your substitute source is no good : it includes more things.	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	yes no	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	it resolved no	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	right...	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	but this chart shows it had less than 50%	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	on Aug 28	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	on some substitute source wherein a lot of other exchanges were counted.	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	adding more competition of exchanges would make gox even lower	[04:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.00255 = 1.02 BTC [-] {2}	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	oh so you mean this page has more than bitocincharts has?	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	mtgoxUSD, bitstampUSD, btcnCNY, btceUSD, mtgoxEUR, mtgoxJPY, btcdeEUR, cbxUSD, mtgoxGBP, mtgoxCAD, bitcurexPLN, btceRUR, virtexCAD, mtgoxAUD, virwoxSLL	[04:50]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 385 @ 0.002585 = 0.9952 BTC [-]	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	Ukyo it's true, but it's also damned hard to distinguish who's serious etc. gotta pick some sort of a fixed criterion.	[04:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00254994 = 0.255 BTC [-] {2}	[04:51]
ThickAsThieves	on that day, bitstamp alone had 14k	[04:52]
ThickAsThieves	gox had 15k	[04:52]
ThickAsThieves	ad campbx	[04:53]
ThickAsThieves	add*	[04:53]
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ThickAsThieves	and gox is at <50%	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	i find it suspicious mtgox is one single thing, and i find it suspicious that thing is 2 digit precise.	[04:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1837 @ 0.00242511 = 4.4549 BTC [-] {9}	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway. all this would have been way more useful sometime around august the 8th	[04:54]
ThickAsThieves	it does 1 decimal	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	well what is 15k ?	[04:54]
ThickAsThieves	the issue is that a dynamic chart shouldnt be allowed	[04:54]
ThickAsThieves	as a data point	[04:54]
ThickAsThieves	since there is no way to prove yay/nay	[04:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 295 @ 0.00241989 = 0.7139 BTC [-] {2}	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	sure it is. what happened to claiming it ?	[04:55]
ThickAsThieves	?	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	you know, any of the interested partioes going "HEY! This bet is won!"	[04:55]
ThickAsThieves	because no one person was looking at it all times	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	tough.	[04:55]
ThickAsThieves	it's bitbet's job	[04:55]
ThickAsThieves	to resolve it	[04:55]
ThickAsThieves	not the bettors	[04:55]
ThickAsThieves	reality is reality, whether bettors point it out or not	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	well, reality so far is "no".	[04:56]
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ThickAsThieves	show me	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	that's the story here : bitbet enacts reality. that's all i do to show you : point to the bitbet decision.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	you disagree, you show me.	[04:56]
ThickAsThieves	so bitbet has no responsibility for it's resolutions to reflect reality?	[04:57]
ThickAsThieves	its*	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	bitbet resolutions ARE reality.	[04:57]
Kleeck__	LOL.	[04:57]
ThickAsThieves	how about the data used to make them?	[04:57]
Kleeck__	Classic mircea_popescu.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	this is like going "o, the court should show me". dude... you got a case, show your case. you don't got no case... that's what it is.	[04:57]
Kleeck__	haha.	[04:58]
Kleeck__	Yes. Bitbet = habeas corpus	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	well, the data, sure. but it has to be THE data.	[04:58]
ThickAsThieves	would you mind sharing the data used to resolve it?	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	Kleeck__ no but it's not practical to have bitbet store details in any degree of detail permanently.	[04:58]
ThickAsThieves	yknow how lawyers share their data	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i would, cause it'd create untenable precedent.	[04:59]
ThickAsThieves	please disclose	[04:59]
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ThickAsThieves	cant use court as justification	[04:59]
ThickAsThieves	without same allowances	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	it's economically unfeasible to require bitbet to permanently maintain records of everything. it's also kinda against the entire concept of bitcoin.	[04:59]
ThickAsThieves	it'll take you more time dealing with me than just showing me	[04:59]
Kleeck__	What a perfect position you've created for yourself MP. Bitbet = Reality, but it can't reveal how it comes to it's conclusions. :P	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	it's not a matter that it can't reveal tho.	[05:00]
ThickAsThieves	so you concur the court case justification is not applicable here?	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[05:00]
ThickAsThieves	so it's some kind of court where everyone has to use facts but you?	[05:01]
Kleeck__	Sounds scammy.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty much. bitbet is the authority. there's not some other authority to which bitbet submits facts	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	and emphatically that putative authority isn't any user.	[05:02]
ThickAsThieves	not true	[05:02]
ThickAsThieves	the authority is named in the bet	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, users are welcome to bring their cases before the supreme tribunal which is bitbet.	[05:02]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoincharts	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	that's the trier of fact as it were.	[05:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1800 @ 0.0024014 = 4.3225 BTC [-] {6}	[05:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.01676 = 0.6369 BTC [-]	[05:03]
ThickAsThieves	i'm merely asking for bitbet to assert its good faith to the court by disclosing how it knew gox was never <50% before sept	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	bitbet is the court.	[05:03]
ThickAsThieves	is the court allowed to make decisions that conflict with reality	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	that;'s the point, and that's a giood half of the value and utility of bitbet to the community.	[05:03]
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mircea_popescu	teaching people how to work in an actually structured system, rather than floating in this internet vague.	[05:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01679 = 0.1175 BTC [+]	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	anyway, decisions that conflict with reality aren't at issue here. reality isn't what you feel it is, it's what you can prove it is.	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	bring that proof.	[05:04]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure the court gives me any avenue for doing so	[05:05]
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mircea_popescu	well, there's the bitcoincharts site.	[05:05]
ThickAsThieves	the link stated in the bet is dynamic	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	looky, you can't argue "i had a proof but i ated it".	[05:05]
pankkake	is it on archive.org?	[05:05]
ThickAsThieves	any moment where it was <50% in Aug is not able to be displayed on that link	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	that's unfortunate, but not novel.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	unless tactm changed how bitcoincharts operates since the bet was made.	[05:06]
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ThickAsThieves	archive.org is not bitcoincharts.org, the court will argue	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	archive.org would work actually.	[05:06]
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ThickAsThieves	it did not archive that day, and the charts dont load	[05:07]
ThickAsThieves	pronly due to them being dynamic	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	i'd have been surprised if this thing was amenable to some sort of resolution ;/	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	hey, do the graphs get constructed out of the request somehow ?	[05:08]
ThickAsThieves	nope	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	alternatively, you could maybe bug tactm (the owner) to check.	[05:08]
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ThickAsThieves	info@bitcoincharts.com?	[05:09]
ThickAsThieves	or does he IRC?	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	well i don't see him on atm.	[05:09]
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Kleeck__	Was this another bitbet?	[05:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.0167 = 0.5344 BTC [-]	[05:12]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 11 @ 0.15501818 = 1.7052 BTC [-] {2}	[05:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 826 @ 0.00240177 = 1.9839 BTC [+] {3}	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	jesus this is a two week + old resolution ?	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves srsly, what have you been waiting for ?!	[05:13]
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thestringpuller	lolol	[05:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 69 @ 0.00246933 = 0.1704 BTC [+] {2}	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	also, bitcoinity is doing daily averages, but it seems to me bitcoincharts is doing 30 day averages.	[05:14]
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ThickAsThieves	well i had a number of bets, all of which i was sure i won and i was digging through emails and saw notifications of .00001 deposits on one of my betting addresses	[05:16]
ThickAsThieves	so i investigated	[05:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01668499 = 0.8342 BTC [-] {3}	[05:16]
ThickAsThieves	it's not exactly easy to keep tabs on bitbets	[05:16]
ThickAsThieves	should have an optional email notfi	[05:16]
ThickAsThieves	notification*	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	hm	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	not really great for user privacy that.	[05:17]
ThickAsThieves	it's good to have options	[05:17]
ThickAsThieves	some emails can be pretty damn private	[05:17]
ThickAsThieves	you can gpg it if it makes you feel better ;)	[05:17]
mod6	o_0	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	currently bitbet retains no user info of any kind. there is value in this model.	[05:18]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe an rss of resolutions?	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	i thought there was ?	[05:18]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla does bitbet have a resolutions rss ?	[05:19]
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mod6	there is an RSS feed (http://bitbet.us/rss/), and a twitter feed (@BitBets), but neither broadcast bet resolutions yet.	[05:21]
ThickAsThieves	it would also be cool if the headers on the homepage linked to full displays of that category	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	like if I click the black Resolutions text	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	What a perfect position you've created for yourself MP. << this happens to be how business works, incidentally. you do a narrowly defined, specified thing. you never do "everything", ie, unbounded obligations.	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	it would take me to all resolutions	[05:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 14637 @ 0.000913 = 13.3636 BTC [-]	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	or accurately resolving bets as a service	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	much too specific	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	(digging myself in a hole here if i'm wrong, i know...)	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:23]
mod6	yeah, you can just click the link in the tweet/rss stream and it takes you to the bet results.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	i think some small RSS icons next to resolved and closed topics would prolly be useful.	[05:23]
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ThickAsThieves	i mena literally clicking the word "RESOLVED"	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	to do what ?	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	to see headlines for ALL resolved bets	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	paginated if needed	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	you know you can just search for that.	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	i know	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	select all / resolved in search box.	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	but too many clicks bro bro	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	this i a point.	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	makes me have to think n stuff	[05:25]
ThickAsThieves	cater to my impulses plz	[05:25]
ThickAsThieves	this is gambling after all	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	hey, the calculator did get put in :D	[05:26]
ThickAsThieves	yep, it's dope	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	and in a format i actually like.	[05:26]
ThickAsThieves	i emailed tactm, so we'll see if he actually responds	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	can yopu check bitcoinity for current mtgox % ?	[05:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 500 @ 0.00232956 = 1.1648 BTC [-] {10}	[05:28]
ThickAsThieves	only using that alpha charts page i linked	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[05:29]
ThickAsThieves	http://data.bitcoinity.org/#caaaaadgaa	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	no, what i mean is, bitcoincharts currently shows mtgox as	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	{ label: "mtgoxUSD", data: 37}, { label: "mtgoxEUR", data: 6}, { label: "mtgoxJPY", data: 3}, { label: "mtgoxGBP", data: 1}, { label: "mtgoxCAD", data: 1}, { label: "mtgoxAUD", data: 1},	[05:29]
ozbot	Bitcoinity.org	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	which adds up to 49%	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	now, the only way mtgox has 49% is if these are averages for the past 30 days.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	otherwise there's no way.	[05:29]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	and if indeed that's the case then we definitely have a problem with the daily averaged bitcoinity data.	[05:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01663206 = 0.4823 BTC [-] {2}	[05:30]
ThickAsThieves	tis alpha anyway	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	what's alpha ?	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	data.bitcoinity.org	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	o o.	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt expect you take take the source to change the bet	[05:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0166388 = 0.416 BTC [+] {2}	[05:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 46 @ 0.002496 = 0.1148 BTC [+]	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	just to acknowledge that what it showed for that date was such	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	well that's why those links are in there (bet judged by X source). so these sorts of disputes can be dispatched.	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	partly to make sure i wasnt crazy to spend any time on this	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	o	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	i just wish the source chosen was not dymanic	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	kinda shit	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	well yeah. not sure what to do about that.	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	dont allow it?	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	i mean... on one hand forbidding bets of the sort seems strange, as the people aren't obliged to bet on it.	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	for bets of this natue	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	well the bet wouldve been fixed simply,	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	name the closing date as the measure	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	instead it said any time	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	yet gave no way to see every time	[05:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.01001818 = 0.1102 BTC [-] {2}	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	well yes but entirely different tihngs these. european vs american options.	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	provable vs not provable in this case	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	you couldve been able to say Well when we looked it was not true sorry	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	looky here : out of the three contentious bets so far, the two most problematic ones were the ones which actually were quite provable	[05:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01665727 = 0.3665 BTC [+] {2}	[05:34]
ThickAsThieves	but instead your resolution implies you would have known if it were No	[05:34]
pankkake	the bet creator should provide a shell script able to determine the bet outcome!	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	(that bfl didn't deliver ands that bitfury did)	[05:34]
ThickAsThieves	but i suspect you wouldnt have known	[05:34]
ThickAsThieves	the fact is there is total ability for the bet to resolve incorrectly if no one is always watching the page and no historical data is served by the page	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	i somehow doubt a bet with 100 btc riding on it literally had nobody giving a shit.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	i mean this is the internet. what else are people to do ?	[05:36]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt watch it	[05:36]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[05:36]
ThickAsThieves	obv i should have	[05:36]
ThickAsThieves	and i do represent the entire internet	[05:37]
ThickAsThieves	sooooo	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, can you see what % mtgox has on bitcoinity for today ?	[05:38]
ThickAsThieves	24h?	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	the same thing as what you used for the 8th of aug or w/e it was	[05:38]
ThickAsThieves	sure, sec	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	i'm trying to compare things here so as to see how the two items rate.	[05:39]
ThickAsThieves	it has 18.2k for gox,	[05:39]
ThickAsThieves	bitstamp 13.0k 37.52%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	mtgox 11.1k 32.02%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	btce 3.66k 10.58%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	localbitcoins 2.62k 7.58%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	btcchina 1.53k 4.42%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	campbx 790 2.28%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	rmbtb 739 2.14%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	cavirtex 619 1.79%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	bitcurex 558 1.61%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	justcoin 16.6 0.05%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	bit2c 0.500 0.00%	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	hrm	[05:40]
Kleeck__	Link to the bet?	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	o we gotta add all this shit ?	[05:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [BTC-BOND] 27 @ 0.01034814 = 0.2794 BTC [+] {2}	[05:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 20 @ 0.18999 = 3.7998 BTC [+]	[05:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 21 @ 0.01700714 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {3}	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure wtf	[05:40]
ThickAsThieves	i think the day chart does not include today	[05:41]
ThickAsThieves	but the 24h does	[05:41]
ThickAsThieves	conflicting data	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 18.2 / (18.2+13+11.1+3.66+2.62+790+619+558)	[05:41]
gribble	0.00902965895673	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 18.2 / (18.2+13+11.1+3.66+2.62+.790+.619+.558)	[05:41]
gribble	0.360060933389	[05:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 2 @ 0.185 = 0.37 BTC [-]	[05:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 43 @ 0.01055 = 0.4537 BTC [+]	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	see, according to this graph mtgox for today is at 36^	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	according to bitcoincharts, mtgox for today is at 49%	[05:41]
ThickAsThieves	37.52%	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, they don't average over the same period.	[05:42]
ThickAsThieves	it's in my paste :)	[05:42]
ThickAsThieves	well btccharts shows 38%	[05:42]
ThickAsThieves	if they are rounding up	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	then we're spot on	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	Kleeck__ http://bitbet.us/bet/460/mt-gox-to-have-50-trade-volume/	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[05:43]
dexX7	hey tat, sorry to interrupt the talk - do you have any info on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82760 like a real name or so? you gave him a trust rating	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	that doesnt include the mini gox slices	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	sec i'll check	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	forum is slow for me atm	[05:43]
dexX7	thanks	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	whats the name?	[05:44]
Kleeck__	That's one of the better bets I've seen. Not a block of text with poor wording.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	Sep 19 04:43:50 anyway, since i'm stuck guessing : your link probably onyl counts mtgoxusd.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	you noob you!	[05:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 320 @ 0.002472 = 0.791 BTC [-]	[05:44]
Kleeck__	But still lacks specificity. Why not LIST the exchanges that count towards it?	[05:44]
ThickAsThieves	dexx7	[05:44]
ThickAsThieves	if you read my rating	[05:44]
dexX7	ThickAsThieves: sam noi, fabrizio tatti	[05:44]
ThickAsThieves	it says I hosted escrow	[05:45]
ThickAsThieves	and the deal went fine	[05:45]
dexX7	yes	[05:45]
dexX7	but maybe, maybe he did mention it via pm	[05:45]
ThickAsThieves	thats the extent of it	[05:45]
ThickAsThieves	i'll look at pms from the day	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	Kleeck__ how would you know aforehand ?	[05:45]
ThickAsThieves	sec	[05:45]
Kleeck__	Be as specific as possible.	[05:45]
Kleeck__	Is the bet around exchange volumes? What exchanges?	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	that's exactly what it is. as speciffic as possible.	[05:46]
Kleeck__	No it isn't.	[05:46]
ThickAsThieves	wait a sec dexx7	[05:46]
Kleeck__	It's broad.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	the bet was around the exchanges as defined by bitcoincharts.	[05:46]
ThickAsThieves	why am i hunting this down anyway	[05:46]
ThickAsThieves	plz dont tell me,	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's "delaria".	[05:46]
ThickAsThieves	to determine if labcoin are scams	[05:46]
Kleeck__	Oh. My fault.	[05:46]
Kleeck__	I didn't see the bitcoincharts bit.	[05:46]
dexX7	i'm not really sure what i'm looking for, but "labcoin" uses his username "delaria" as skype handle and "delaria" posted some avalon pictures/pool stats labeled with "labcoinx_avalon" etc.	[05:46]
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mircea_popescu	Kleeck__ too block of text-y ? :D	[05:46]
ThickAsThieves	so that is why	[05:47]
Kleeck__	:) No. This was a good bet.	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	let me save you the time	[05:47]
dexX7	haha k	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	labcoin is a fucking scam from day 1	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	there	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	you can rest now	[05:47]
Kleeck__	I don't use Bitbet because most of the best that appeal to me have shitty wording and lack specificity.	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	we all said so from day 1	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	you're supposed to say "as mp pointed out, labcoin is a scam from day one."	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	like that reddit guy	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	so why not make better ones ? you get paid even.	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	well i want credit on this one too	[05:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 46 @ 0.002495 = 0.1148 BTC [+]	[05:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01682 = 0.2859 BTC [+]	[05:47]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	link me!	[05:48]
dexX7	yeah well, you said so. now proof it.	[05:48]
ThickAsThieves	i am the law!	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:48]
Kleeck__	LOL	[05:48]
Kleeck__	Classic defense.	[05:48]
dexX7	i'm not calling you out, just saying :)	[05:48]
Kleeck__	Yeah.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	ten years from now i'll be long gone on some island somewhere, and people will try to figure out why are all bitcoiners such assholes	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	little will they know...	[05:48]
dexX7	if there is hard proof, it would be good to know	[05:48]
Kleeck__	yeah. I'd love to see proof, honestly.	[05:49]
dexX7	but anyway, i didn't want to turn this into a lab discussion ;)	[05:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 92 @ 0.00249525 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {3}	[05:49]
ThickAsThieves	didnt you?	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	dude. we would love to see proof that corzine did it.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	we all KNOW he did it.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	and yet...	[05:50]
ThickAsThieves	btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM	[05:50]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01682 = 0.2859 BTC [+]	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, enron is roughly in the same position and etc. proof is hard.	[05:51]
Kleeck__	Nah.	[05:51]
Kleeck__	This isn't Enron.	[05:51]
Kleeck__	Or Corzine.	[05:51]
Kleeck__	It's a goddamm Bitcoin startup.	[05:51]
Kleeck__	And a shitty one at that.	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	yes. proof even harder.	[05:52]
Kleeck__	I'll give that up right away.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	hi Edward_	[05:52]
Edward_	Hi.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	everyone, this is the guy that bothered to look into that piece of malware on the forum. Edward_ this is everyone.	[05:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76 BTC [+]	[05:52]
kakobrekla	urlpls	[05:53]
Edward_	Funny in channel not to hear assbot chatter. Hey everyone. I look at machine code.	[05:53]
Kleeck__	Night all.	[05:53]
Edward_	Half OCD, half job.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	assbot found a girl and went away.	[05:53]
ThickAsThieves	btw you wanted a link to be calling labcoin a scam day 1	[05:53]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg2815024#msg2815024	[05:53]
ozbot	[LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)	[05:54]
dexX7	lol	[05:54]
dexX7	"reserved"	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	"i told you so" ?!	[05:54]
dexX7	"last edit" :P	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[05:54]
pankkake	:D	[05:54]
kakobrekla	this could be edited afterhand	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	it was	[05:54]
kakobrekla	url must start with log dot something	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	lol last edited sept 12	[05:54]
pankkake	oh I did a reserved too	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	omg SCAM	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	i'd have to dig up IRC logs	[05:54]
Edward_	They were taking beating last time I here.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	where you from Edward_ ?	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	just wanted to be a dick to people that go back and read it	[05:55]
Edward_	Eritrea. Now live in Dubai.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	0.0	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	that's practically right next to kakobrekla's native somalia ?	[05:55]
kakobrekla	lmao and fu	[05:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.002499 = 0.7497 BTC [+]	[05:55]
mod6	ha	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:56]
Edward_	close, yes. Had family there. Now dont	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	whoa that sounded like that hemingway short story.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	"For sale: baby shoes, never worn"	[05:56]
Edward_	Not read Hemingway.	[05:56]
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mod6	<3 Hemingway	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	hemingway is good.	[05:57]
Edward_	six word. whole story. yes.	[05:57]
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Edward_	Is kakabrekla from Somalia?	[05:58]
mod6	its a meme	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	well, he really is from slovenia. but he tells everyone he's from somalia	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	like those people who pretend to be jewish.	[05:58]
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Edward_	Ah. Explains much.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[05:58]
kakobrekla	its same shit really...	[05:58]
kakobrekla	> 02:27.45 ( thestringpuller ) "My bank won't wire transfer to Slovenia (Bitstamp) says that it is a sanctioned country."	[05:58]
kakobrekla	no 419 for you kako	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286610.msg3146734#msg3146734	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	url you asked for.	[05:59]
Edward_	Mine had no problem with. But normal for Dubai, bankers no qualms about anywhere really.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	Edward_ so what do you normaly speak ? arabic ?	[06:00]
kakobrekla	thanks	[06:00]
Edward_	No. Singlish, lah?	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	ah	[06:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.751 BTC [-]	[06:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.785 = 7.14 BTC [+] {2}	[06:02]
Edward_	Is Chinese syntax on about half English half Korean vocabulary. But is ugly language.	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	she cow pig had kittens ?	[06:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 622 @ 0.0024998 = 1.5549 BTC [+] {4}	[06:03]
Edward_	Serious Labcoin price? Thought fall further.	[06:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.018 = 0.594 BTC [+]	[06:05]
Edward_	use pronouns damnit. Is assbot price of labcoin real? I thought it would fall further. Standard English?	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	who's to know at this point.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	it is what btctc reports.	[06:05]
Edward_	Why do anyone think "start an anarchy" is a good idea?	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	what does that mean ?	[06:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 251 @ 0.0004 = 0.1004 BTC [-] {2}	[06:09]
Edward_	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280771.0 makes a lot of nonsense to me.	[06:09]
ozbot	How to actually start an anarchy?	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	you know the forum is mostly for comedy relief right /	[06:09]
Edward_	Hard to tell sarcasm from stupidity apart.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	this is what makes it so fascinating.	[06:10]
pankkake	"	[06:11]
pankkake	You don't start an anarchy. They naturally arise after revolution."	[06:11]
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mircea_popescu	" Does things high level compiler never ever do like use as data (including instructions!) from code segment, to make value pun elsewhere, use as number or insert in string. Horrible to trace, damned clever." << this by the way was very funny, because of the word pun is afaik never used before in that context.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	Edward_ you know the story of mel ?	[06:12]
Edward_	I would say after infrastructure destroyed. Is worst part of war, anarchy follows.	[06:12]
Edward_	From Hacker Dictionary?	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[06:13]
Edward_	Yes. What word if not 'pun'?	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	anyway. what you think of anarchy, ie, proper anarchy, and what pasty ass white boys imagine anarchy is are very VERY different things.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	when you hear white rich people talk about anarchy all they mean is, our governments have become very large, very expensive, very ineffectual and very stupid. people want to get rid of them.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	no, no, pun is great. it just never occured to anyone before.	[06:14]
Edward_	America Government is not ineffectual. It is so effectual it is scary.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	how do you judge ?	[06:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01733 = 0.9878 BTC [+]	[06:15]
pankkake	anarchy ≠ anomy	[06:15]
pankkake	revolutions, wars have actually usually kept the existing bureaucracies and made them more powerful	[06:15]
Edward_	NSA headlines lately. No other government could do what they did. Listening to whole world.	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	that is irrelevant for most people. ineffectual in this context means they don't do what people want them to do, not that they don't do what they themselves set out to do.	[06:17]
pankkake	what's the NSA's budget?	[06:17]
Edward_	$billions. I don't know.	[06:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0173 = 0.2595 BTC [-]	[06:18]
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mircea_popescu	i bet you you could do what they do on half the money :D	[06:18]
Edward_	Is just example. American government does many things no other could do. Invade Syria? You know how tough Syria is? Nobody else would even think.	[06:19]
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mircea_popescu	they're just talking about it.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	tjhey know they'll get owned.	[06:19]
Edward_	I have no doubt they could flatten it. But after? No way to disengage,	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	well exactly.	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	what win is that ? another afghanistan.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	spend 10 trillion to do 10 billion worth of damage. whoopdedoo.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	russians send 10 more bn worth of gear, start over in 10 years.	[06:21]
Edward_	America, always being police to the world. But sometimes corrupt police like in India.	[06:24]
Edward_	Less about chasing crooks than shaking them down for share of profits.	[06:25]
thestringpuller	"thanks the cops who put greed before the badge"	[06:25]
Duffer1	or knocking them down and placing their own crooks	[06:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.1244 = 0.4976 BTC [+] {2}	[06:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.017 = 0.85 BTC [-]	[06:27]
Edward_	But like Batman thing. Spend $Millions on equipment, chase crooks who mug $50 from old lady on corner.	[06:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 16 @ 0.1244 = 1.9904 BTC [+] {2}	[06:28]
Edward_	Then ignore other crooks do much worse when no oil involved.	[06:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 280 @ 0.002591 = 0.7255 BTC [+] {2}	[06:29]
Edward_	Trading is much calmer today?	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	thus ineffectual :)	[06:31]
Edward_	Hardly. Nobody else can do so much damage so fast.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	well we'll just have to agree to disagree :)	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	also, check pms.	[06:34]
Edward_	private message on bitcointalk board?	[06:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 500 @ 0.00689359 = 3.4468 BTC [+] {3}	[06:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7855 = 3.571 BTC [+] {2}	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	no, here.	[06:35]
Edward_	Sorry, new to IRC. How?	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	should be a tab up on the screen	[06:36]
kakobrekla	Edward_ the trades are merged in 1 min blocks and nothing under 0.01 comes through, hence less spam	[06:40]
kakobrekla	0.1 that is	[06:40]
Edward_	I see.	[06:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.01731333 = 0.6233 BTC [+] {2}	[06:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 344 @ 0.00119752 = 0.4119 BTC [-] {4}	[06:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 40 @ 0.002565 = 0.1026 BTC [-]	[06:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.002502 = 0.6255 BTC [-]	[06:58]
ThickAsThieves	TheSeven, save us from the TheScam	[06:58]
Duffer1	dexxy posted a respone from theseven today in that thread	[06:58]
Duffer1	er dexx7	[06:58]
ThickAsThieves	did it amount to "I wont say it's NOT a scam..."?	[06:59]
Duffer1	he said he's sure it's not a scam from what he's seen, but anything's possible, he also confirmed consulting and seeing his ideas being implemented in the 65nm design	[06:59]
Duffer1	i'll try to find it	[06:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 1 @ 1.6002 BTC [-]	[07:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.798 = 5.394 BTC [+] {2}	[07:01]
Duffer1	bitcointalk so slow for me atm	[07:01]
matuszed	same	[07:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.809 BTC [+]	[07:02]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3181860#msg3181860	[07:02]
ozbot	[LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)	[07:03]
ThickAsThieves	that thread is posted in way too much	[07:08]
matuszed	Its amazing how much can be written and so little said	[07:09]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[07:09]
matuszed	haha	[07:09]
MilkyLep	Big bubble ? :p	[07:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 42 @ 0.002505 = 0.1052 BTC [+]	[07:10]
ThickAsThieves	could probly end world hunger with the wasted effort in that forum	[07:10]
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mircea_popescu	if anyone ever ends world hunger i'll be a sad panda.	[07:11]
MilkyLep	internet*	[07:11]
ThickAsThieves	but a well-fed panda at least	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah, right, because im totally starving right now.	[07:14]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, if some schmuck ends world hunger i will have a starving slave in my basement at all time. the girls can rotate fasting weekly or w/e.	[07:14]
ThickAsThieves	whoever heard of a skinny Santa?!	[07:15]
ThickAsThieves	just have Bill Gates shot that should cover your lifetime of risk	[07:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0168 = 0.84 BTC [-]	[07:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	http://72.10.171.98/resources/ecommerce/images/products/966/710/img710966/product-enlarged.jpg	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	she's reasonably skinny.	[07:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01664 = 0.3661 BTC [-]	[07:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 2152 @ 0.00091356 = 1.966 BTC [+] {2}	[07:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1379 @ 0.00250484 = 3.4542 BTC [-] {3}	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2xgOW7LUElI/UirijXfIYuI/AAAAAAAAi8A/tCGK89EOjR8/%23vuc+-+freenode+Web+IRC.png	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	posting this here to have for later in case noobs.	[07:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01662 = 0.7811 BTC [-]	[07:29]
ThickAsThieves	but where do o see pm's?	[07:29]
ThickAsThieves	i	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	same as chans	[07:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.809 BTC [+]	[07:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.016518 = 0.413 BTC [-] {2}	[07:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LTC-ATF.B2] 105 @ 0.01098285 = 1.1532 BTC [+] {2}	[07:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.80971428 = 38.004 BTC [+] {3}	[07:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01652 = 0.2974 BTC [+]	[07:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+]	[07:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 9 @ 0.05788888 = 0.521 BTC [+] {2}	[07:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 479 @ 0.00259289 = 1.242 BTC [+] {2}	[07:42]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 161 @ 0.002599 = 0.4184 BTC [+]	[07:46]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[12:07]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013	[12:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 122 @ 0.0177799 = 2.1691 BTC [+] {4}	[12:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2093 @ 0.00273772 = 5.73 BTC [+] {6}	[12:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.944 = 3.888 BTC [+]	[12:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.851 = 3.702 BTC [-]	[12:31]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.85066666 = 5.552 BTC [-] {2}	[12:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 381 @ 0.0025819 = 0.9837 BTC [-] {3}	[12:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 161 @ 0.002556 = 0.4115 BTC [-]	[12:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.017225 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {2}	[13:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2086 @ 0.00279668 = 5.8339 BTC [+] {4}	[13:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 16050 @ 0.00282866 = 45.4 BTC [+] {8}	[13:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.00283545 = 2.5519 BTC [+] {2}	[13:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 81 @ 0.002836 = 0.2297 BTC [+]	[13:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 2198 @ 0.00092065 = 2.0236 BTC [+]	[13:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.00288 = 0.864 BTC [+]	[13:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 170 @ 0.00288 = 0.4896 BTC [+]	[13:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1816 @ 0.00288575 = 5.2405 BTC [+] {3}	[13:28]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1219 @ 0.00289808 = 3.5328 BTC [+] {3}	[13:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3655 @ 0.00292156 = 10.6783 BTC [+] {5}	[13:32]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1001 @ 0.00294997 = 2.9529 BTC [+] {2}	[13:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 310 @ 0.002925 = 0.9068 BTC [-] {2}	[13:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.01777 = 0.7108 BTC [+] {2}	[13:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 42 @ 0.18171428 = 7.632 BTC [-] {5}	[13:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 300 @ 0.002354 = 0.7062 BTC [-]	[13:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 690 @ 0.00294886 = 2.0347 BTC [+] {2}	[13:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.00704229 = 0.7042 BTC [+] {6}	[13:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01785224 = 3.5704 BTC [+] {4}	[13:44]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[14:04]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[14:04]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013	[14:04]
*	You are now known as Guest16347	[14:05]
ThickAsThieves	i dont even comment in there anymore	[14:08]
ThickAsThieves	just asking for frustration	[14:08]
jurov	http://www.zdnet.com/pay-heed-to-the-internets-third-wave-cows-of-disruption-7000020878/	[14:12]
ozbot	Pay heed to the internet's Third Wave Cows of Disruption \| ZDNet	[14:12]
jurov	i totally <3 this. if you argue with someone that bitcoin is useless in meatspace	[14:12]
jurov	send them to read this	[14:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 269 @ 0.00116689 = 0.3139 BTC [-] {5}	[14:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 393 @ 0.00116002 = 0.4559 BTC [-] {2}	[14:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 172 @ 0.00114487 = 0.1969 BTC [-] {5}	[14:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 2231 @ 0.0004482 = 0.9999 BTC [+]	[14:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 600 @ 0.002804 = 1.6824 BTC [-]	[14:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.002804 = 1.1216 BTC [-]	[14:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1550 @ 0.00299049 = 4.6353 BTC [+] {2}	[14:27]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3188684#msg3188684	[14:28]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc.	[14:28]
pankkake	Diablo-D3: yeah there's this one guy who just quotes huge posts saying "I have to agree here.", very annoying :)	[14:29]
pankkake	inputs.io pays the fee for you when you sweep a private key	[14:31]
pankkake	good to know for collecting dust :)	[14:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 87 @ 0.002989 = 0.26 BTC [-]	[14:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.00299 = 1.196 BTC [+]	[14:37]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.00299 = 0.1495 BTC [+]	[14:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.0179 = 0.7339 BTC [+]	[14:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 340 @ 0.002989 = 1.0163 BTC [-]	[14:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.01790064 = 0.5549 BTC [+] {2}	[14:42]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 104 @ 0.00298457 = 0.3104 BTC [-] {2}	[14:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.72977550 BTC to 1`459`551 shares, 50 satoshi per share	[15:00]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.LONG] 45 @ 0.0127 = 0.5715 BTC [+]	[15:07]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 125 @ 0.00298774 = 0.3735 BTC [+] {2}	[15:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00128 = 0.128 BTC [-]	[15:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 411 @ 0.00260097 = 1.069 BTC [+] {3}	[15:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 2189 @ 0.00251188 = 5.4985 BTC [-] {7}	[15:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.2111 = 0.4222 BTC [-]	[15:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 165 @ 0.002987 = 0.4929 BTC [-]	[15:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0175 = 0.2625 BTC [-]	[15:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 6275 @ 0.00247649 = 15.54 BTC [-] {15}	[15:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01723 = 0.2068 BTC [-]	[15:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 3725 @ 0.00240821 = 8.9706 BTC [-] {5}	[15:20]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01743 = 0.1394 BTC [+]	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[15:34]
gribble	993830.229432	[15:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 362 @ 0.00282211 = 1.0216 BTC [-] {2}	[15:35]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 130 @ 0.0025 = 0.325 BTC [+]	[15:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 570 @ 0.00240908 = 1.3732 BTC [-] {3}	[15:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.185 = 1.11 BTC [+] {3}	[15:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 153 @ 0.00128 = 0.1958 BTC [-]	[15:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 42 @ 0.002823 = 0.1186 BTC [+]	[15:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 134 @ 0.002822 = 0.3781 BTC [-] {2}	[15:45]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 5000 @ 0.00231936 = 11.5968 BTC [-] {13}	[15:52]
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kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290007.msg3160495#msg3160495	[16:00]
kakobrekla	O_O	[16:00]
ozbot	Advertise on this forum - Round 96	[16:00]
dexX7	wow	[16:03]
Scrat	dont worry, its all going to new forum software	[16:03]
Scrat	larry ellison himself has been contracted to write it	[16:04]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 591 @ 0.0029562 = 1.7471 BTC [-] {3}	[16:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 140 @ 0.00128019 = 0.1792 BTC [-] {2}	[16:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 458 @ 0.00295963 = 1.3555 BTC [+] {2}	[16:13]
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ThickAsThieves	lol at theymos endorsement in sig...	[16:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 840 @ 0.002955 = 2.4822 BTC [-]	[16:16]
lewicki	woah 27 btc for a weeklong ad?	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	thats per slot too i think	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	7x	[16:16]
lewicki	2 months ago people were laughing over 8btc bets	[16:16]
Scrat	7*27	[16:16]
lewicki	advertising bubble?	[16:16]
jurov	;;calc 7*27	[16:16]
gribble	189	[16:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 99 @ 0.002954 = 0.2924 BTC [-]	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[16:17]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 138.26600, Best ask: 138.50994, Bid-ask spread: 0.24394, Last trade: 138.26600, 24 hour volume: 9077.95048415, 24 hour low: 138.01001, 24 hour high: 142.00000, 24 hour vwap: 139.81938	[16:17]
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ThickAsThieves	$avg	[16:17]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: 131.23	[16:17]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 61 @ 0.002954 = 0.1802 BTC [-]	[16:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.81791998 = 45.448 BTC [-] {10}	[16:19]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01737266 = 0.5212 BTC [-] {3}	[16:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0168141 = 1.6814 BTC [-] {6}	[16:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 240 @ 0.002925 = 0.702 BTC [-]	[16:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.812 = 5.436 BTC [-] {3}	[16:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [FIMB] 125 @ 0.010988 = 1.3735 BTC [-] {2}	[16:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.812 BTC [-]	[16:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 60 @ 1.81023333 = 108.614 BTC [-] {4}	[16:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3381 @ 0.00279881 = 9.4628 BTC [-] {7}	[16:41]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[16:44]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013	[16:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 560 @ 0.00280214 = 1.5692 BTC [+] {2}	[16:48]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1420 @ 0.00285 = 4.047 BTC [-]	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/the-brics-independent-internet-in-defiance-of-the-us-centric-internet/70569/	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	and in other news,	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/nsa-spying-european-parliamentarians-call-for-swift-suspension-a-922920.html	[17:22]
ozbot	NSA Spying: European Parliamentarians Call for SWIFT Suspension - SPIEGEL ONLINE	[17:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 450 @ 0.00044829 = 0.2017 BTC [+]	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:38]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 138.11001, Best ask: 138.49998, Bid-ask spread: 0.38997, Last trade: 138.11000, 24 hour volume: 8505.19998371, 24 hour low: 138.01001, 24 hour high: 142.00000, 24 hour vwap: 139.70247	[17:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]	[17:40]
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pankkake	;;premium mtgox bitstamp	[17:57]
gribble	mtgox premium over bitstamp is currently 9.6171344983 %.	[17:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00128 = 0.256 BTC [-]	[18:05]
Scrat	lol Diablo-D3	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake no actually, inaba put like 500 btc on the original bfl delivery bet.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	then got all butthurt when he couldn't have it back.	[18:14]
pankkake	cool	[18:14]
pankkake	http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=37041	[18:14]
ozbot	cryptogon.com » Torvalds On Being Asked to Insert a U.S. Government Back Door Into Linux Kernel	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	this better be with bird flips in it	[18:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 12516 @ 0.00263352 = 32.9611 BTC [-] {18}	[18:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 537 @ 0.002597 = 1.3946 BTC [-]	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	wait, benkay doesn;'t have trilema subscription ?! when did that occur.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	this log is trippy.	[18:17]
KRS1	When the complimentary trilema subscriptions expired.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	they don't expire and what complimentary	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	what is this, sweden ?!	[18:18]
KRS1	lol	[18:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: perhaps 'complimentary' means TOR	[18:19]
pankkake	hehe I was going to say that :p	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	isn't that comprodisentery ?	[18:19]
pankkake	I had to set the cookie again today though - not sure why	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	jesus what a punfest. copromisery. etc.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i vaguely recall they having an expiration date to protect people from the random "i visited my ex wife in missisiauga and loaded my cookie in the library computer. so now 57969543489 ppl use it"	[18:20]
pankkake	why isn't subscribing etc. automated anyway?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	basically because i'm lazy.	[18:24]
pankkake	well, you're likely missing a lot of subscribers - for me it was actually easier to use other IPs	[18:26]
pankkake	so even if I wanted to pay, the lazy route was to cheat	[18:27]
pankkake	hmm actually there might be an even better way to cheat :p	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	i don't care, the ips you use to cheat can't be used by others to cheat.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	moreover, considering what it icosts, if cheating is time effective then i guess you weren't in the target anyway.	[18:28]
pankkake	cheating is basically using ssh + lynx. I have ~10 IPs at hand at least	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	how much do they cost ?	[18:29]
pankkake	it's sunk cost - they all have their uses	[18:29]
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mircea_popescu	yeah well, 10 ips + 15 minutes of computer engineer time to set it all up, 100 dollars.	[18:30]
pankkake	(or I'm not paying, just happen to have ssh access)	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	could have had like 100k credits for the that.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	yes, but that doesn't make it free.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	just because i have an apple in front of my window doesn't make the apple i eat off that tree not worth 1/4 euro or w/e thery sell for.	[18:31]
pankkake	but I didn't set them up for it; I simply have them for other uses	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	sooo ?	[18:31]
pankkake	so whether I cheat or not, I do not pay more	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	not nominally.	[18:32]
pankkake	actually paying was a burden for me: I had to talk to you! and I dislike asking people stuff	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	so your impending desocialisation suffered a setback :D	[18:32]
pankkake	yeah	[18:33]
pankkake	I order everything through machines, except food	[18:33]
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jurov	pankkake what? you had to telephone mirce or such? gasp	[18:34]
pankkake	but again with the lazyness: I usually use paypal even whene there is a CC option, because I don't want to fetch my credit card	[18:34]
pankkake	jurov: no, just ask on IRC	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	i use paypal exclusively because i know better than to share cc details over electronic systems.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	my cards were never used except in the atms.	[18:35]
pankkake	actually I'm probably more shy on IRC with the "asking stuff" part	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	what asking anyway. you're paying.	[18:35]
pankkake	I never share CC with a random website, but with stores it's usually through a payment processor operated by a bank	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm not of the coercive school of ip rights management. as far as i'm concerned there should be some fundamentally sound, lightweight drm in place. if you have the werewithal to circumvent that and find this is something you wish to do, hey. you're an independent agent with a mind of your own.	[18:36]
pankkake	I had to ask what I had to do to subscribe, because your blog does not even state it clearly	[18:37]
pankkake	oh I agree, it's doomed to fail in any case	[18:37]
pankkake	I paid because I wanted to	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	so then.	[18:37]
pankkake	but it took tremendous effort!	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	it works both ways, too. people who'd otherwise be too shy to approach me because of all my ranting feel encouraged when they want to buy something.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	then they discover i don't bite heads off and well... goes from there.	[18:38]
pankkake	possibly	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 4 @ 0.18999 = 0.76 BTC [+]	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what tremendous effort anyway ? type /query mir/t ?	[18:44]
pankkake	yes	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	you know too much isolation is unhealthy.	[18:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 8365 @ 0.00092846 = 7.7666 BTC [+] {2}	[18:46]
VanCleef	damn what a retard buying s.mpoe shares	[18:47]
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mircea_popescu	oldest company in bitcoin dood.	[18:48]
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VanCleef	true, got any osbourne computer stock?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	nah	[18:52]
VanCleef	i'm feeling riskay	[18:52]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[22:23]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013	[22:23]
nubbins`	few things like it, anyway	[22:25]
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mircea_popescu	benkay it's kinda funny for me to read you and bingobongo guy going at each other cause i know neither's an idiot	[22:25]
nubbins`	i'm very partial to those charcoal shirts	[22:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 1424 @ 0.00226917 = 3.2313 BTC [-] {4}	[22:26]
nubbins`	it's a lot less easy to procrastinate when it's quiet in here	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	how so ?	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	Coinvoice: Invoice in USD, receive BTC	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	^ worst name ever	[22:29]
nubbins`	well, no conversation makes me feel like i should be doing work	[22:30]
nubbins`	coinvoice, lel	[22:30]
ThickAsThieves	the coins speak to me	[22:30]
nubbins`	every time there's a new btc thing with "coin" in the name, a part of me dies	[22:30]
nubbins`	HOW CLEVER	[22:30]
nubbins`	IT SEZ COIN	[22:30]
ThickAsThieves	i dont mind it in all cases	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	but many, yeah	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	it should have been bitboince.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	because b/v are ambiguous in like 1400. and so it'd be very clever yes?	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	shoulda been fuckyoupayme	[22:32]
nubbins`	boincevoice	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	let's make dumb names.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	InceptionBit. The last billing service you'll ever use.	[22:33]
nubbins`	binvoice	[22:33]
ThickAsThieves	Recepticoin	[22:33]
nubbins`	because something	[22:33]
Duffer1	blockunchained	[22:33]
nubbins`	lel	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	CoinSerious. Wallet service.	[22:33]
nubbins`	unchained blockody	[22:33]
ThickAsThieves	iputcoinsinyourcoins.bro	[22:34]
nubbins`	coinucopia	[22:34]
nubbins`	faucet	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	o no wait. coinesour. buy aussie wine with btc.	[22:34]
nubbins`	ooh, i like	[22:34]
ThickAsThieves	countcoinula	[22:34]
nubbins`	convict - bail bonds for btc	[22:34]
nubbins`	coinvict, i mean	[22:34]
Duffer1	ha	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	seeing how connoisseur isn't spelled that way, you should.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha convict rules.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves bitsincoins. maybe a food delivery ?	[22:35]
nubbins`	kibbles & bits, animal food for btc	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	we'll come up with better business ideas making up names than the people coming up with names making up businesses	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	actually someone should make a comic staring LeCoin, the moustachy evil guy,	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	hahaha damn straight.	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	pepelecoin	[22:36]
nubbins`	"sometimes, you gotta TAKE the wallets"	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	NIOC - mirros delivered anywhere!	[22:36]
nubbins`	IHOC - international house of coins	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	CoinCon, the investment fund & more.	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	coinhole	[22:37]
nubbins`	coinca-cola	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	o totally.	[22:37]
nubbins`	lel	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[22:37]
nubbins`	coin on the cob	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	coinhole. selling corn on the cobb in 27 state fairs.	[22:37]
nubbins`	coinography	[22:38]
ThickAsThieves	or a pub name	[22:38]
nubbins`	yeah	[22:38]
nubbins`	i'd drink at the coinhole	[22:38]
ThickAsThieves	coininthewall	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	rabbit. quick downloads for btc.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it should be coinvct not convict	[22:38]
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nubbins`	nubbins`: convict - bail bonds for btc	[22:39]
nubbins`	nubbins`: coinvict, i mean	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	i read it that way originally but then on reread... SCANDAL!	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	cointest	[22:39]
nubbins`	autocorrect	[22:39]
nubbins`	cointest!	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	americasnexttopcoin	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	autocoinrect. touchtype software.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	o that's good.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	realgoodvirtualcoin	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	necromonicoin	[22:39]
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nubbins`	!	[22:40]
nubbins`	coindescending	[22:40]
kakobrekla	i am the great coinholio.	[22:40]
nubbins`	book tables at snooty restaurants	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:40]
ThickAsThieves	we're using up all the names, the VC's are fucked	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	coinborn. cribs & baby shoes.	[22:41]
nubbins`	all mine are available for licensing	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves hence my evil plan cackle	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	cointroduction	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	dating site	[22:41]
nubbins`	coinderwater	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	coincum, your pet's best chum.	[22:41]
nubbins`	coinworker, put rent-a-coder out of business	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's an actual service.	[22:42]
nubbins`	lel, i was just gonna say	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	coinsipid	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	goiterbit. food supplements and special neckwear.	[22:42]
nubbins`	HAH	[22:42]
nubbins`	idodized salt & turtlenecks	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	mannyscoinsandautoparts	[22:42]
nubbins`	only items for sale	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	"you bit it, you buy it".	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	funeral services.	[22:43]
nubbins`	coinjoined twins -- baby clothes for children with too many bodies	[22:43]
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mircea_popescu	cause what, they are deflationary ?	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	coingroin hw wallet fannypacks	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	coinwall, aluminum siding firm in cornwall, england.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	and also, maybe turkland renames istanbul back into coinstantinople-bit ?	[22:45]
pankkake	kakobrekla: hating on macs and a beavis and butthead reference? if you were a girl I'd give you coinilingus	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	coinstantcontact	[22:45]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:46]
kakobrekla	i might sound like tits but it really is dick.	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	coinversation next social media	[22:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 4 @ 0.18999 = 0.76 BTC [+]	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	buzzword-keyword-coin	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	social media & escort services.	[22:47]
pankkake	hashcoin?	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	blotterbit. buy your lsd for cheap!	[22:47]
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nubbins`	hash hash - dual purpose miner / vaporizer	[22:48]
ThickAsThieves	bitbybit dentures	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[22:48]
pankkake	both potheads and miners have high electric consuption. makes sense to combine	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	Triple Coin. All-bitcoin horse racing.	[22:48]
pankkake	coinsumption	[22:48]
pankkake	coinception	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	coink. pig farm in oregon.	[22:49]
ThickAsThieves	bitness protection program	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	that'd be a good wallet.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	dude we gotta stop, we created more value than the ipo market in the past six months.	[22:49]
nubbins`	if we keep going, people are going to start trying to exchange XBOND for it	[22:50]
ThickAsThieves	i think my fave so far was necromonicoin, someone make that an altcoin plz	[22:50]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	im personally holding out for niggercoin	[22:50]
nubbins`	necronomicoin, blockchain-based pandemic tracking	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	the alt to end all racism.	[22:51]
pankkake	haven't seen any vampire/goth/etc. related altcoin actually. sad	[22:51]
nubbins`	yeah	[22:51]
nubbins`	super sad	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well we're too mainstream for goth	[22:51]
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ThickAsThieves	have an emocoin	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	youll feel better	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	bitemo!	[22:51]
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ThickAsThieves	emoticoin!	[22:51]
nubbins`	emoticoin	[22:51]
nubbins`	ooh	[22:51]
nubbins`	you beat me to it	[22:51]
nubbins`	hashtronomical - telescopes and sky charts for btc	[22:52]
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nubbins`	brb fresh air break	[22:52]
pankkake	by the way I have an idea for an altcoin but I am too lazy to figure out how to create it (there is nothing to gain, it would be designed as unpreminable because of its stupid design)	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	bitinstant coffee	[22:52]
pankkake	the name is great too	[22:52]
pankkake	maybe I'll wait for april 1st	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	bitstamp stamps	[22:53]
thestringpuller	bitstamp stamps would turn into a ponzi	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	coindesk desks	[22:53]
thestringpuller	Charles Ponzi would come back from the dead and pretend to send them.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	so i bought walnuts. huge things cause fresh. i crack one, worm in it says HI! crack another, some sort of weird moth thing.	[22:53]
pankkake	bittramp stamps	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	im looking at the 3rd and thinking... chicken ?	[22:53]
nubbins`	you really need awkward names	[22:54]
nubbins`	like coinffee	[22:54]
pankkake	lol, the worst I had was just walnuts full of dirt	[22:54]
pankkake	ah well, romanian food	[22:54]
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pankkake	you'll find a horse, not chicken, in the next walnut	[22:54]
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nubbins`	http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-12/news/mn-26407_1_condom-inside	[22:54]
ozbot	Canadian Woman Finds Condom in Walnut - Los Angeles Times	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	a horse does not fit in a nut therefore your argument is coinvalid.	[22:55]
nubbins`	coinvalid sounds ultra-valid	[22:55]
nubbins`	hm	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	or very ill	[22:55]
nubbins`	coinvalid: home care services	[22:55]
pankkake	coinvestment	[22:55]
pankkake	romanian guy finds coindom in walnut	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	coinmorbidity.	[22:56]
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nubbins`	my coindom for a horse	[22:56]
pankkake	:D	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	i am a coindom! you kidding me ?	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	all my slavebits!	[22:56]
pankkake	do they have big bits?	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	as far as possible.	[22:56]
pankkake	with big ripples?	[22:56]
pankkake	sensitive ripples	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:56]
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nubbins`	lel	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	actually big tits do have a ripple.	[22:57]
nubbins`	my ripples are rock-hard	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	knitbit textiles	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	have the girl on her back and slap the tit	[22:57]
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pankkake	coinbred	[22:58]
nubbins`	coinbread	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	coinbit /thread	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	coinbred is like, pastry or conception support ?	[22:59]
pankkake	coin + inbred	[22:59]
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nubbins`	the chickoin shack	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	drillbit	[23:00]
nubbins`	icedrill	[23:00]
nubbins`	;p	[23:00]
mod6	bitcramp - providing maxi pads for BTC	[23:00]
ThickAsThieves	saybitaintso - scam reports	[23:00]
nubbins`	ok, ovens are heated up, gotta print a dozen shirts	[23:00]
nubbins`	SOMEBODY TIME ME	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	;;echo go for it pizza boy!	[23:01]
gribble	go for it pizza boy!	[23:01]
ThickAsThieves	bitsnotatumor	[23:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 6 @ 0.017 = 0.102 BTC [-]	[23:01]
pankkake	here's a bittramp stamp: https://lh3.ggpht.com/-NKixDgBe9dI/ThvMeY-Qo6I/AAAAAAAAAt4/kx985Qd3UZI/s640/bitcoin-tattoo-2.jpg	[23:01]
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ThickAsThieves	bittitude	[23:02]
ThickAsThieves	bitlip - body jewelry	[23:03]
pankkake	bitanic	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	gay dating site?	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	bisexual*	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	is that a really badly done tattoo or am i just unexpert ?	[23:03]
deizel	bitcoinsexchange.com (later a hyphen is added to clear things up, bitcoins-exchange.com)	[23:03]
pankkake	oh. bite in French means cock so… :)	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	its a areally bad everything	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	ick	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	deizel ok that ones pretty good.	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[23:04]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: seems bad	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	bitthedust - cremation service	[23:04]
benkay	mircea_popescu: bingoboingo and i were doing performance co-trolling last night	[23:04]
pankkake	must be hard not to move when tatooed there though	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	benkay a that's what it iwas.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	pankkake why ? pubic shield dones't hurt much.	[23:05]
ThickAsThieves	bitthehandthatfeedsyou - welfare dist	[23:05]
pankkake	it's kind of ticklish	[23:05]
ThickAsThieves	bitslikeaglove - condoms	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	I CNAT STOP	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	coinstop.	[23:07]
pankkake	bitplug	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	they totally gotta put those usb sticks in dildos already	[23:07]
pankkake	they would burn you	[23:07]
benkay	we could breed bitbulls	[23:07]
ThickAsThieves	bittheroadjack - divorce attorney	[23:07]
benkay	pankkake: dat fine line between pain and pleasure :)	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	pankkake they get that hot ? i doubt it. have you SEEN how hot girls get down there man ?!	[23:08]
pankkake	the usb sticks really burn my fingers	[23:08]
ThickAsThieves	dontbitwhereyoueat - litter boxes	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	hm	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	after brain damage from gpu waste heat, vaginal burns from usb asic miner dildo would defo put us on the map.	[23:09]
pankkake	recycle bit	[23:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: glue a Stirling engine to the asic, convert heat to vibration...	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	bint lol.	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	thatbitsthespot - vibrators	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bitachi!	[23:10]
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ThickAsThieves	fruitofmycoins	[23:12]
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pankkake	or simply: bitch	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	naughtybits	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	if anyone wonders how a stirling engine looks : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/BetaStirlingTG4web.svg	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	seems perfectly adequate for the application.	[23:14]
ThickAsThieves	flatliners! http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-brain-activity-death-20130918,0,4315042.story	[23:16]
pankkake	the phallic resemblance can't be a coincidence	[23:17]
asciilifeform	who can forget, http://gizmodo.com/5466997/the-steam+powered-vibrator-and-other-terrifying-early-sex-machines-nsfw	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	lol microsoft really is taking Elop?	[23:18]
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pankkake	really?	[23:18]
pankkake	then my question would be… but who is going to buy microsoft?	[23:18]
kakobrekla	lesbians	[23:19]
pankkake	why lesbits?	[23:19]
kakobrekla	cause they dont like it big and hard	[23:19]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/19/4748738/nokias-stephen-elop-to-make-more-than-25-million-for-jumping-to-microsoft	[23:19]
ozbot	Nokia's Stephen Elop to make more than $25 million for jumping to Microsoft \| The Verge	[23:19]
pankkake	ooh	[23:19]
ThickAsThieves	nic arb	[23:20]
ThickAsThieves	nice*	[23:20]
Scrat	ThickAsThieves: rofl you couldn't make this up	[23:20]
Scrat	so funny	[23:20]
ThickAsThieves	"He'll be leading up Microsoft's expanded devices division when the acquisition is complete, but given that there's a recently vacated CEO position at Redmond there's the possibility of even greater rewards in Elop's future."	[23:21]
pankkake	the guy gets millions for ruining companies	[23:21]
pankkake	how can this exist	[23:21]
pankkake	nokia shareholders must be mad as hell	[23:21]
ThickAsThieves	he probly has nudes of god	[23:21]
jcpham	gotta parachute those execs man	[23:21]
jcpham	'cause they've worked for it	[23:22]
ThickAsThieves	he has the password to Nokia	[23:22]
ThickAsThieves	and wouldnt share it	[23:23]
jcpham	wut	[23:23]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	ruining some companies is a public service	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	like microsoft.	[23:23]
ThickAsThieves	thats one way to look at it	[23:23]
jcpham	i don't understand any of these tech companies anymore except google	[23:23]
ThickAsThieves	but couldnt they ruin it faster?	[23:23]
jcpham	and google just wants to do crazy shit	[23:24]
ThickAsThieves	google wants to do ALL shit	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	i was glad yahoo got that chick what's her face, i was sad microsoft is replacing balmer, but if it's elop...	[23:24]
ThickAsThieves	their walls are made of noodles	[23:24]
jcpham	i guess if you aren't being like a technical innovator at life	[23:24]
jcpham	and solving life problems	[23:24]
jcpham	you're old hat	[23:24]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah Yahoo getting Marissa was good	[23:24]
jcpham	microsoft needs to solve a need to become relevant again	[23:24]
jcpham	same for yahoo	[23:25]
pankkake	i'll miss chair-throwing monkey boy	[23:25]
ThickAsThieves	yahoo is probly mopping up internally first	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	jcpham yahoo has pretty much all the world's yahoos	[23:25]
ThickAsThieves	maybe next year we'll see bigger moves	[23:25]
jcpham	hahaha	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i still fidn this hard to believe, but > 90% of rtomanians have yahoo email.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	my server just drops mail with "yahoo" in headers.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	this includes my mother's only email address, and pretty much any romanian company out there.	[23:26]
pankkake	and the French have hotmail - thankfully a thing of the past but…	[23:26]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:26]
jcpham	yeah my wife has a yahoo email address	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	texas-local-television@yahoo.com happens here.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	jcpham kill her.	[23:26]
jcpham	and surprising i know lots of peeps with them still	[23:26]
jcpham	i have one too but haven't logged in in years	[23:26]
ThickAsThieves	does aol still have email?	[23:26]
jcpham	it must be the webmail niche still	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yup	[23:27]
jcpham	because yahoo was one of the first to offer that	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	seems like that should be a collectible	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	aol email addies	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i think it is	[23:27]
jcpham	then they got into competetion with storage space and stuff if you remember	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	oldscjhool by now. weirdo retired uni profs have them	[23:27]
jcpham	who's webmail had the most free shit	[23:27]
jcpham	yahoo was on top of that race until gmail	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	hotmail/outlook web mail looks pretty nice now	[23:28]
ThickAsThieves	i still wont use it tho	[23:28]
asciilifeform	AOL lives, still. there even remain rural pestholes in the U.S. where they're the only game in town.	[23:28]
jcpham	that's crazy	[23:28]
asciilifeform	(well, that and iridium sat)	[23:28]
jcpham	i bet dialup too	[23:28]
ThickAsThieves	$email	[23:28]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	how to know you're not really in the us	[23:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.857 = 3.714 BTC [-] {2}	[23:29]
kakobrekla	mpexbot works for nsa btw	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla omfg stop spreading fudlies	[23:29]
pankkake	http://youtu.be/e8M6S8EKbnU?t=1m9s amazing company!	[23:29]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:29]
ozbot	The best of Steve Ballmer - YouTube	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	assbot should ocasionally say "amazing company your mom is"	[23:30]
ThickAsThieves	god that video is horrible	[23:30]
kakobrekla	4x6 px	[23:30]
pankkake	while True: developers	[23:32]
ThickAsThieves	Is Bitcoin the Beginning or the End of Banking as we know it? ~reddit	[23:33]
ThickAsThieves	Yes!	[23:33]
pankkake	let's ask the same question every day ~reddit	[23:33]
Rulother	cats ~reddit	[23:34]
jcpham	i like the fact that I can buy a 6500k off the grid solar tie in kit for 48 bitcoins	[23:34]
jcpham	i'm waiting on the price to drop to a few btc before i jump into solar	[23:34]
kakobrekla	solar is out	[23:35]
jcpham	no one sells mr fusion	[23:35]
jcpham	pre-order only :(	[23:35]
jurov	lmao these names	[23:35]
jurov	i literall just today registered livestocks.me	[23:36]
jurov	it will be used ;)	[23:36]
ThickAsThieves	am both totally and totally not interested in this article http://www.riabiz.com/a/24063560/how-the-winklevoss-twins-presence-at-a-big-nyc-hedgie-event-cut-the-torpor-and-distracted-from-the-poor-job-most-hedge-funds-are-doing-for-clients	[23:36]
ThickAsThieves	i assume it sucks	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	you know, not a single fuckable chick i ever talked to had a reddit.	[23:36]
pankkake	you're ambitvalent?	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[23:37]
ThickAsThieves	jurov, but it has no coinbits in the name?	[23:37]
pankkake	it was for TAT	[23:37]
ThickAsThieves	how will you get VCs?	[23:37]
jurov	no, but it has sheep	[23:37]
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pankkake	oh, it's not a sex slave market?	[23:37]
jurov	ain't need no filthy VCs	[23:38]
ThickAsThieves	i'm probly late to this realization, but yesterday it occurred to me that the Bitcoin Foundation is worse than just being a bunch of cointreprenuers	[23:38]
ThickAsThieves	it's a shell org to act as catchall for for VC opportunities	[23:39]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: worse	[23:39]
ThickAsThieves	by offering grants	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	tomorrow you'll wake up to further realisations,	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	and then i'll be an asshole and link you to 2012 and well...	[23:39]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: it publicly joined a traitorous 'NSA club'	[23:39]
jcpham	lol'd at trace meyer endorsements	[23:40]
ThickAsThieves	if there's one thing we can count on mp, it's that tomorrow when we wake up you'll still be an asshole	[23:40]
jurov	it's grup of kids cooperating to avoid doing their homework as mircea nicely put it	[23:40]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[23:40]
jcpham	mr. how to disappear wants to be on the board	[23:40]
Rulother	lol	[23:40]
jcpham	seems hypocritical	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it was made by well known vc circuit fraudster vesseness. it collected "donations". it used said donations to prop ycombinator-driven "businesses", that incidentally never got anywhere. what did you expect it to do next ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	try and recycle more average-stupid-american into "relevancy", package it and sell it.	[23:41]
nubbins`	hi	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	support bfl scammers while that was good, pretend it never did afterwards, the way shit works.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: so where's the authoritative 'clean' bitcoind fork?	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	i am not at liberty to discuss.	[23:41]
ThickAsThieves	the Trace guy like pre-announced his Armory investment via board debates	[23:41]
ThickAsThieves	was very slimey	[23:41]
ThickAsThieves	Armory having received BitFoundation grant money	[23:42]
ThickAsThieves	Trace running for board	[23:42]
ThickAsThieves	birds, feathers	[23:42]
jcpham	all coincidental	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	coincidental indeed.	[23:42]
ThickAsThieves	so of course i must join board next	[23:43]
dub	joerg wants to be hardcore	[23:43]
ThickAsThieves	front run teh IPOz!	[23:43]
jcpham	so if you want to be on the board you need to be a talking head	[23:43]
jcpham	and make "someone has a gun to your head" youtube videoa	[23:43]
ThickAsThieves	memories:	[23:43]
jcpham	all that stuff	[23:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: seems like bitcoind users are 'setting themselves up the bomb' by running the foundation's crap - sooner they quit, the better	[23:44]
ThickAsThieves	http://imgur.com/1GJRHGd	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	jcpham yes. as long as you speak american, in order to be anything anywhere within the structure you have to be a talking head. that's the thing. thats why obama's not black, even if he is a nigger.	[23:44]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[23:44]
jcpham	i get the talking head thing	[23:44]
jcpham	i used to make fun of them but i get it now	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	what happened to you, got married ?	[23:45]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it makes relatively little difference what the dust bitcoiners are running.	[23:45]
jcpham	witnessed enough idiocy in action that leads to further opportunities	[23:45]
jcpham	yes	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	in a sense it's good that they follow the crud, self limiting disease on both ends.	[23:46]
jcpham	it's really not even important if you know what you are talking about	[23:46]
jcpham	and it doesn't even need to be true	[23:46]
jcpham	you just need enough media and TV to expose you	[23:46]
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mircea_popescu	"need".	[23:46]
jcpham	horse-head SCRYPT.ASIC bitfunder IPO youtube video	[23:48]
jcpham	gogogog	[23:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sure btc is ready to lose the chump money collector that is the 'dust' users?	[23:48]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it won't be btc. the beauty is that we're perfectly severable. i just sit here and wait, and the scammers build themselves up. when their building becomes unsustainable for them, i cut their rope and they choke.	[23:49]
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mircea_popescu	so, dust collectors follow the qt. at some point the qt is used to deliver some value away from the users. i say so, and point to bf. end of story.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	this is why bitcoin destroys the welfare system : because it is a strictly bound system.	[23:50]
dub	one thing is certain	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	welfare needs eternally expanding system.	[23:50]
dub	lizzy ploshay is a CIA plant	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	but as long as i have the total energy and it's fixed, you can't run fake perpetuum mobiles.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	if the chumps decamp en masse, btc might end up as a Hawala for a dozen people.	[23:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 21770 @ 0.00093426 = 20.3388 BTC [+] {4}	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	they don't decamp btc. they decamp obama, go vote rumsfeld or w/e	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	as IF.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	i can't help but suspect that bitcoind-as-we-know-it is only a Schelling point b/c virtually no one understands the code	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	this would be a step this way from what i recall your last position, which was that it isn't.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i still think that in the abstract it isn't, given that there's nothing magic about the code (quite a few people, myself included, have understood it)	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	it's a schelling point exactly because it introduces hard binds on the system of everyrthing.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	a great many interesting things could be done (bring back the turing-complete 'script' engine, for one)	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	these can then be used to make the spinning lying circus the us brought us impracticable.	[23:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 43 @ 0.002637 = 0.1134 BTC [+]	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	much like the reason it never arose earlier, say in england.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	in fact, the french revolution TRIED. hard. it failed, and it failed because the hard bounds of that system sunk them.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	ie, gold.	[23:54]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you underestimate the tenacity of the circus clowns; they'll continue with Zimbabwean fiat if they have to	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	tenacity is irrelevant.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	nobody was mroe tenacious than la grande armee	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	but in the end, if you don't have it you don't have it and that's the end of the story.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	so where's the kutuzov for the anglo bonaparte?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	you'll find out when they invade russia.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	you didn't know who kutuzov was before the event.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the notion that lies enact reality are no different from the earlier socialistoid propositions that work enacts currency, as brought by hitler in the 30s and by the various revolutionaires right before the empire.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	they're both false, in the sense of that quote, that useful work is limited but useless work infinite.	[23:57]
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ThickAsThieves	The next asicminer! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg1521109;topicseen#new	[23:58]
asciilifeform	the fuhrer's playground didn't exactly go broke and keel over on its own accord.	[23:59]
pankkake	The HotAir Mining Company	[23:59]

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