Forum logs for 19 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

decimation	ah. well, dc-short more or less	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	* asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'that's not shiva' nitpick << lol dong-nose	[00:04]
ben_vulpes	kinda looks like ganesha is puching through jesus	[00:09]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000068.html << congrats to ben_vulpes and mod6	[00:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19B9FXn )	[00:11]
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nubbins`	ben_vulpes earth's premiere cheese club	[00:14]
decimation	I like mod6's ascii-style	[00:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00030003 = 8.1008 BTC [+]	[00:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135139 @ 0.00029746 = 40.1984 BTC [-] {2}	[00:28]
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mod6	thanks asciilifeform && decimation :]	[00:36]
mod6	thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html	[00:36]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: all kudos to mod6, all critiques to me	[00:37]
ben_vulpes	oh man emacs mangled that email.	[00:38]
ben_vulpes	ah well, onwards and upwards, as they say.	[00:40]
ben_vulpes	i've a whole lifetime to decruft my emacs mail situation.	[00:40]
mod6	thanks for all your help ben_vulpes. couldn't have done it without you.	[00:40]
ben_vulpes	nonsense i didn't do nuffin	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	Congrats to yall	[00:40]
mod6	thanks to everyone who helped out.	[00:40]
mod6	you guys made this happen. you're the real bitcoin heros.	[00:40]
ben_vulpes	yeah asciilifeform thanks for holding our toes to the fire	[00:40]
mod6	^^^	[00:41]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron, decimation, et al	[00:41]
mod6	^^^	[00:41]
ben_vulpes	it's culty circle-jerk time, y'all!	[00:41]
mod6	:]	[00:41]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: per "asciilifeform: all kudos to mod6, all critiques to me" mod6 get the girls plural, you get singular girl. In the tradition of mp/kako BitBet tradition.	[00:42]
mod6	Thanks to TomServo && Punkman && danielpbarron && trinque && thestringpuller && BingoBoingo	[00:42]
mod6	mircea_popescu && jurov!	[00:43]
mod6	And anyone who I'm leaving out... thanks again.	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	btw, we think this is the first publically-released static bitcoin build.	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	well, recipe at least.	[00:44]
mod6	I think so too.	[00:44]
trinque	great job guys	[00:45]
ben_vulpes	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << please take a look at this list, and the patches we've rolled out with the 0.5.3.1 RI build. if you've time, inclination, and capability - review the patches and submit your sigs.	[00:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv )	[00:45]
ben_vulpes	don't sign if you haven't read.	[00:45]
ben_vulpes	this is a pretty good set to get started with - mostly snips.	[00:45]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: mod6 lives too far away from civilization to make keeping a harem practical :P	[00:46]
ben_vulpes	well	[00:46]
ben_vulpes	recruiting	[00:46]
ben_vulpes	i'm sure mircea_popescu will take me to task for that but w/e	[00:46]
ben_vulpes	okay qntrites, your turn.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	perhaps for next snapshit,	[00:50]
asciilifeform	the 'gitignores' can go	[00:50]
asciilifeform	(they're in the tarball still...)	[00:50]
asciilifeform	snapshot.	[00:50]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what's the elisp doing in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000070.html ?	[00:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWT6c )	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	i think it comes of me supplying application/gpg manually for attachment content type	[00:53]
ben_vulpes	i really have no idea.	[00:53]
ben_vulpes	anyways	[00:54]
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ben_vulpes	have a good night, you all.	[00:54]
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mod6	have a good night ben_vulpes, thanks again. :]	[00:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/public_access/ < apparently usg will require some level of public access to usg-funded research papers	[01:01]
assbot	US NSF - News - Special Reports - Public Access to Results of NSF-funded Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLXN2s )	[01:01]
decimation	I'm sure that some kind of loophole will protect the existing publishing empires	[01:01]
asciilifeform	decimation: it's threatened to happen for more than a decade, yes	[01:01]
asciilifeform	but even the linked item contains 'Be available for download, reading and analysis free of charge no later than 12 months after initial publication'	[01:02]
asciilifeform	which is a mega-laugh	[01:02]
decimation	yeah, and even then I expect all of those words don't mean what you think they mean	[01:03]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:03]
asciilifeform	but even if it were true - still a joke. picture, full year's embargo.	[01:03]
decimation	well, no problem for a hobbyist	[01:03]
decimation	certainly a problem if one wishes to 'compete' for bezzlars	[01:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113604 @ 0.00029325 = 33.3144 BTC [-]	[01:04]
asciilifeform	the same folks who were paying the parasites (i will not call them publishers, they withhold only - performing not a single one of the traditional functions of a publishing house save the physical printing) - will continue to pay.	[01:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: depends what sort of hobbyist	[01:04]
asciilifeform	and to the extent it isn't a problem, it is solely because academia is mostly dead as a going concern	[01:04]
decimation	I'm personally pissed that the IEEE (I pay for membership) only gives me a tiny, tiny slice of their papers	[01:05]
asciilifeform	why still paying, again ?	[01:05]
decimation	I'm a member of the communications society - you have to pay more to get access to their journal	[01:05]
decimation	well, they have good group insurance rates	[01:05]
decimation	the other thing that annoys me is djb's complaint: http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html < IEEE is more than happy to charge you for copyright-free papers	[01:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vMBPRS )	[01:06]
decimation	IEEE is also famous for 'fake conference' scams	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	This combination acedamiwank/chumpatron occupied too much of my time in Library school	[01:11]
decimation	BingoBoingo: the libraries are in on it insofar as they are a funnel of cash to the journal houses	[01:12]
BingoBoingo	decimation: It is more the University admins who budget for this hoping they might have someone on the faculty to wins their lottery ticket for them. It is essentially exactly a lottery mentality.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	quite a few 'civilians' don't believe me when i explain that the 'publishers' do not edit, or - in most cases - even typeset the submissions; and that not only do authors receive no royalties, but often -pay- page costs	[01:13]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah, for instance the IEEE demands you assign them copyright	[01:14]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the term of art, iirc, is 'tournament market'	[01:14]
asciilifeform	!s tournament market	[01:14]
assbot	8 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market	[01:14]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724168 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724169	[01:14]
assbot	Logged on 19-06-2014 01:51:50; asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognit	[01:14]
assbot	Logged on 19-06-2014 01:51:51; asciilifeform: d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. '	[01:14]
decimation	BingoBoingo: yeah that makes sense, I always wonder why the administration seems 'friendly' to spending large piles of money on the publishing scamzors	[01:14]
asciilifeform	the textbook divisions of the same houses rape the undergrads, also to the enthusiastic applause of the faculty (who get kickbacks)	[01:16]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: yeah that makes sense, I always wonder why the administration seems 'friendly' to spending large piles of money on the publishing scamzors << As a class nearly all librarians dislike this because even when they publish anything is too niche to win. Spending on this stuff is also an extraordinary part of their budget.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	the basic 'zoological' observation here is that there is no such thing as a chumpatron of this size which stays 'single-layered' indefinitely. at a certain point, smaller fleas show up to go on the backs of the fleas, and so ad infinitum	[01:17]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah I've heard the latest scam for undergrads is to 'custom publish' a book for each class, which consists of portions of older texts with all of the sections and excercises renumbered	[01:17]
asciilifeform	decimation: in one form or another, this has been going on for at least two decades.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	decimation: the latest scam i personally know of is the 'www homework membership'	[01:18]
decimation	paid website for excercises?	[01:18]
asciilifeform	where a used copy of the book literally doesn't let you pass the class because its homework account code (yes) is already spent.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	this was, as i understand, a reaction to folks scanning bookz	[01:19]
asciilifeform	the parasite scum went, 'fine, we don't care if you want the dead tree to carry around or not, but you'll pay.'	[01:19]
decimation	'homework account code'?	[01:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:20]
decimation	are the homeworks online?	[01:20]
decimation	or do they use robo-grading?	[01:21]
asciilifeform	chumper has to register with publisher to do the exercises, yes	[01:21]
asciilifeform	typically robo-graded	[01:21]
asciilifeform	hence incentive for the profs	[01:21]
decimation	I can't believe any moral person would sign up for this kind of thing	[01:22]
asciilifeform	the textbook racket is in some ways inevitable - the kids with access to $maxint in loans are walking bags of delicious meat from the standpoint of ten thousand kinds of flea	[01:22]
asciilifeform	and given as they are virtually never spending money which is -their own- in any palpable sense - they don't resist nearly as much as might be expected	[01:23]
asciilifeform	what's a $300 book compared to the $100k tuition.	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	the textbook racket is in some ways inevitable - the kids with access to $maxint in loans are walking bags of delicious meat from the standpoint of ten thousand kinds of flea << Not to mention many professors will accomodate students without $maxint doing otherwise.	[01:24]
decimation	asciilifeform: the $maxint bubble is growing even larger > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/young-adults-are-losing-all-hope-of-buying-a-starter-home > "The student loan debt burden rose 8 percent, to $1.16 trillion, last year. Most of that debt—65 percent—was owed by borrowers under 40 years old. "	[01:25]
assbot	Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MM0P72 )	[01:25]
asciilifeform	the hidden text in this crap is 'let's print more hoap'	[01:25]
asciilifeform	and where do these cheap clowns get off calling debt peonage 'ownership' ?	[01:26]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah note that 8% annual rate is more than any reasonable fixed income investment	[01:27]
decimation	usg is all about illusioning every problem away	[01:27]
asciilifeform	'"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.'	[01:28]
asciilifeform	^ phixed	[01:28]
asciilifeform	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/boston-non-profit-wants-to-put-grown-ups-back-in-dorms << ahahahahaha.	[01:29]
assbot	Boston Nonprofit Wants to Put Grown-Ups in Dorms - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBKuQJ )	[01:29]
*	asciilifeform did predict.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^	[01:29]
decimation	sheparding conflicts between chumpatrons	[01:30]
asciilifeform	'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas. Specifically, the report suggests building 10,000 units that make up for cramped living quarters by including shared lounges, health clubs, and shared areas for study, m	[01:32]
asciilifeform	usic practice, or launching a technology startup. For young tenants really interested in cutting costs, some could be built with shared kitchens.'	[01:32]
asciilifeform	'... In that light, building smaller units for cash-strapped millennials who need to live in a tight housing market sounds like a sensible solution—helping young people find more affordable housing and preserving larger units for the families that need them. Still, as the single-family starter home becomes less viable, do initiatives like this doom millennials to spending their twenties living in dorms?'	[01:32]
decimation	" families that need them."	[01:33]
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BingoBoingo	!up adam_obrien	[01:34]
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decimation	asciilifeform: perhaps the dorms can be designed like a soviet apartment block	[01:34]
asciilifeform	but with less space yet.	[01:35]
asciilifeform	how they will be designed - is no mystery, there were already built here where i live	[01:35]
asciilifeform	just not pitched to 'adults' quite yet.	[01:35]
asciilifeform	less space because the inhabitants are not expected to reproduce	[01:35]
decimation	http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/01/7284318/bloomberg-unveils-those-tiny-tiny-manhattan-apartments < related "For the first time in New York City, a multi-unit building will (legally) consist entirely of what the city has dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet."	[01:36]
assbot	Bloomberg unveils those tiny, tiny Manhattan apartments \| Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBKLmW )	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." << Generous bastards	[01:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: the inhabitants are expected to spend 100% of their income in 'consumption'	[01:36]
asciilifeform	370 is not a 'coffin hotel' by any measure	[01:38]
asciilifeform	that's my old flat minus a room.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	also ancient newspiece, presumably that anthill is already packed to bursting point	[01:39]
asciilifeform	'Here's why millennial villages might be a good idea. Boston doesn't have enough small apartments to satisfy demand from young adults and their boomer-parents. Millennials in particular have responded to the small-unit shortage by doubling and tripling up in housing originally built for middle-income families. That trend has helped drive up the average sales price of a single unit in one of Boston's distinctive triple-decker h	[01:40]
asciilifeform	ouses by 85 percent since 2009, the report found.'	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	obligatory thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996775	[01:41]
assbot	Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:00; asciilifeform: it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz	[01:41]
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mircea_popescu	check it out, mod6 is getting an oscar.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54a814d32e3f8126fdf28b54fdcccbc/tumblr_mk3cnemPKQ1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg << cheapest anywhere!	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: but even if it were true - still a joke. picture, full year's embargo. << i actually don't see much of a problem with this. most "science" is worthless anyway, i currently don't read it if it's less than a coupla decades old on general principle. a year's embargo wouldn't do anything.	[01:50]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot -fetch	[01:50]
asciilifeform	see rest of thread	[01:50]
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mircea_popescu	myeah.	[01:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00029114 = 12.3298 BTC [-] {2}	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	strange that anyone would even for a single second propose the usg even exists as a going concern,	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	when confronted with stuff such as, you know "quite a few 'civilians' don't believe me when i explain that the 'publishers' do not edit, or - in most cases - even typeset the submissions; and that not only do authors receive no royalties, but often -pay- page costs"	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	seems a very accentuated case of memory hole effect.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	both are 'going concerns' in the sense that they keep a great many folks out of the organ market	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	in this sense, so is my unicorn princess.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	and have enough 'immune system' remaining to avoid digestion by 'isis', pirates, or #b-a thus far	[01:55]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/journalist-barrett-brown-bears-full-restitution-brunt/	[01:56]
decimation	meanwhile farther up the line, the bond & stock & currency markets wobbled wildly on news that the fed might this time really seriously stop printing money	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	or maybe they have the immunity of no substance.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	how does air manage to avoid being digested by mammals ? well...	[01:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401800 @ 0.00029852 = 119.9453 BTC [+] {5}	[01:56]
decimation	but because 'inflation measures' were off, not in june but maybe september, and this time for real	[01:57]
decimation	maybe, unless it isn't	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	it can't stop. this is a foregone conclusion, the us has no austerity way out	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	which is why, in typical usian fashion, they're claiming currently that "austerity is not a way out" in the general.	[01:58]
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mircea_popescu	the ridicule of this after their "austerity as only way out" consensus in the 90s is completely lost, also in typical usian fashion.	[01:58]
decimation	'because reasons'	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057347 << heh.	[01:59]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 04:18:01; decimation: I can't believe any moral person would sign up for this kind of thing	[01:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: usa has no 'austerity way' but does have the inevitable убеднение (orlov tried to introduce the term to engl., but it has no good ready translation)	[01:59]
asciilifeform	the 'adult dorms' are one form	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	you can't have moral persons that have delegated their authority. everyone in the us agrees that they're obeying laws because they're laws, not because they're right. consequently, american citizens can not be moral agents.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	убеднение != impoverishment	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	how about "holod" ?	[02:00]
asciilifeform	more like 'poorification'	[02:00]
nubbins`	cheapening	[02:00]
asciilifeform	neh, not quite cheapening	[02:00]
asciilifeform	implication is, sorta, turning down the poverty thermostat on somebody	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	убеднение = downotching	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to downshifting.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	one's voluntary.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	aha mircea_popescu grasps the subtlety here	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo btw is qntra making a "first static bitcoin" post ?	[02:02]
nubbins`	oh right i was gonna fiddle with that	[02:03]
asciilifeform	speaking of that article, notice that even stratfor is still a going concern	[02:04]
asciilifeform	in the usg sense	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - check it out, being a twentysomething usian kid is a worse fate than being a 20something chinese kid.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	in that a stable of parasites is still drawing fat salaries there, as if nothing whatsoever had happened	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057358 <<< ahahah this.	[02:04]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 04:23:25; asciilifeform: '"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.'	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform for all i care people are still paying to visit graceland.	[02:05]
asciilifeform	yeah but in this case it is as if the occupant had been mummified and nothing detectably changed in the behaviour of the visitors pre- and post-mortem	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas.	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	what was the fucking soviet term for this,	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	where they put all the peasants that went to town to work	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	incidentally : shared kitchens are absolutely the ONLY way to go high density. gotta let the women become friendly so the tribal structure re-emerges. once they're breastfeeding each other's babies you can start over with the moses desertwalk.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic!	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	but god did romanians hate this stuff after the war.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	not that it was avoidable, but it did make for enduring hatred for both communism and russians.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[02:09]
asciilifeform	worked in ru too	[02:09]
-assbot-	You voiced gabriel_laddel for 30 minutes.	[02:09]
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asciilifeform	to give'em enduring hatred for selves	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	im sure.	[02:09]
gabriel_laddel	what was the fucking soviet term for this, << kommunalki?	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	ironically, neither group (ru, ro) selfhated pre the experience.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	but the us has been hating itself, quite loudly at that, for decades now.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	curious what comes out of this creuzet.	[02:09]
gabriel_laddel	since the beginning, that's the whole of puritanism, no?	[02:10]
gabriel_laddel	"don't have fun"	[02:10]
decimation	also note that most of these millenials were raised in relative prosperity in the rich 'burbs of the 80's	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	there's a difference between "laughing is evil" (as aptly depicted by eco) and "we are wrong"	[02:10]
decimation	they aren't peasants who only roll shit uphill	[02:10]
gabriel_laddel	http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gunshow.htm	[02:11]
assbot	THE ORANGE COUNTY GUN SHOW ... ( http://bit.ly/1DBN1ud )	[02:11]
gabriel_laddel	^ what happens in the USA	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	i'm curious if it's going to yield some sort of ragnarok-like "the world is doomed" (seems to jive with the "austerity won't work for us so it doesn't work period" self-seeking ignorance) or some sort of ultraviolent civil war of six sides, like in japan	[02:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.0003031 = 26.7031 BTC [+] {2}	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	"construction zones that only constructed themselves" fuck, that's SO DAMNED SOVIET!	[02:12]
asciilifeform	we have these here in abundance	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	dude, shakespeare had only part of it. not only is the world a stage, but the same old play is going on endlessly.	[02:13]
asciilifeform	state law (in more than a few states) is that, as al schwartz writes here, fines double (or in 'school zone', quadruple, etc)	[02:13]
asciilifeform	hence eternal 'constructions'	[02:13]
asciilifeform	where nothing ever seems to get constructed	[02:13]
gabriel_laddel	we have these here in abundance << I saw one outside the Palo Alto four seasons just the other day... 20 guys just standing around more or less.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	phun phact (also noted by al) - fella who holds the 'stop' sign all day makes 2x what a typical postdoc makes.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	well he is actually doing something.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	plus benefits, pensions, etc.	[02:15]
decimation	asciilifeform: garbage man too, especially in maryland	[02:15]
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gabriel_laddel	I always wonder about the people who see this sort of thing everyday but never connect the dots, how do they internally deal with actual reality? I once flipped through the book Dangerous Thoughts by Yuri Orlov. He claimed that in the soviet collapse people would have multiple "selves". When they would break the law that would be their "off work" I, vs. the at work I who would report such a transgression to the poli	[02:20]
gabriel_laddel	ce.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	"For the first time in New York City, a multi-unit building will (legally) consist entirely of what the city has dubbed "micro units," which are apartments of between 250 and 370 square feet." << this is almost exactly it!	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	;;google garsoniera confort III	[02:20]
gribble	Garsoniera Confort II - YouTube: ; Garsoniera confort 1 sporit - zona Trafic Greu ( Mall Libery Center ...: ; Sector 4 - Garsoniera confort 1 - YouTube:	[02:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: top euro quality, fit for any artist to starve in	[02:21]
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BingoBoingo	!up brendafdez	[02:22]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Working on a piece	[02:22]
asciilifeform	and woah, washing machine !?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	unspeakable luxury	[02:22]
TheNewDeal	Starving artists, the most popular homo sapien once the food supply runs shy	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	;;google 250 feet to sqm	[02:23]
gribble	Square meters - Square feet units conversion: ; Convert square meter to square foot - area converter: ; Convert 250 square meters to square feet - Answers.com:	[02:23]
*	asciilifeform did not have 'own' washamat until the current ~2kBez bldg.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	rly ?!	[02:23]
asciilifeform	aha	[02:23]
asciilifeform	in flats they are unheard of.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	strictly communal coin-operated things.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	it came with my $7k a year two level + garden house in ro.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	(that are b0rked half the time)	[02:23]
asciilifeform	7k/y buys... a parking space. here	[02:24]
asciilifeform	for compact car.	[02:24]
asciilifeform	on 7th floor of public garage.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	i raised my own artichokes!	[02:25]
*	asciilifeform exaggerates but only slightly	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	the girlies that lived alone in town generally got 500 sqm apts running 300ish a month.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	500!?	[02:28]
TheNewDeal	Small town or large city?	[02:28]
asciilifeform	500 m^2 is ~6 times the space where i live now.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically.	[02:29]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform oh, extra zero. 50.	[02:29]
asciilifeform	aha lol	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	my apologies for any popped eyes in the audience.	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	nah, house was 250+200.	[02:30]
mod6	thanks BingoBoingo! although, it'd probably be better to link "first release" to this email: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html	[02:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xAbWHo )	[02:31]
*	asciilifeform still salivates after the 'vibe' of timis.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	too close to lebanon tho.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc.	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	mod6: revised	[02:32]
mod6	tyvm :]	[02:32]
*	BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would salivate over north stl	[02:32]
asciilifeform	thing is, the 'numeric wank' is just that. more interesting is what chunk of their meager daily coin the folks in each town get fleeced for by the land rackets	[02:32]
asciilifeform	because the 500 (or 50) is cheaper still in the congo than in ro	[02:33]
brendafdez	what would be the point of 500swm all to yourself?	[02:33]
asciilifeform	brendafdez: machines	[02:33]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Check, not you exact suggested revision	[02:33]
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BingoBoingo	what would be the point of 500swm all to yourself? << Vax powered steam table	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	brendafdez depends on what lifestyle. place to throw a party. place to store a lot of books. place to practice some indoor hobby - from kendo to rockstaring.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	brendafdez: i have entire things that i cannot do, for instance, because, while can afford the equipment - cannot, the space.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	and just about everyone i know has some version of this	[02:34]
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asciilifeform	you will run into folks, for instance, who will whisper to you that they would have pistol range in their house if they could (a mighty fine idea, if you take care to separate the air flow)	[02:35]
asciilifeform	but picture what it would cost	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	basement isalso good for all the chained bitchez.	[02:35]
asciilifeform	for 1,001 things.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	or if too old to get it up anymore, prized wine collection.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	i had a friend with a cask of port.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	amontillado!	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	haha not quite. but the thing did say 1893	[02:36]
asciilifeform	fortheloveofgodmontrezor! (tm)	[02:36]
mod6	BingoBoingo: ah, I see. looks good.	[02:36]
brendafdez	yes, I bet when you have something you end up finding some use for it. My previous apartment had a trunk room, I used it to keep a lot of shit...	[02:37]
asciilifeform	i, for instance, tried to find a thing with a basement, here. but this was just beyond reach. instead i have a shipping-container-shaped 'garden shed'	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	you can't have a basement in the swamp. or good cheese, for that matter.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: eh no, plenty of properties with basements (not all flat elevation here). just $$$$	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	brendafdez how about something simple like, bar and dancing pole ? that's 100sqm right there.	[02:37]
brendafdez	:)	[02:37]
*	BingoBoingo doesn't get "port" wine	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo do you get mead ?	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sure. As in delivery and understanding the principle. Just don't understand the idea of Port.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	well, it's a historical accident. on one hand, "this wine is pretty good, could we add shit to it ? maybe make it thicker ?"	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	on the other hand, england had jamaica, only thing it was good for was sugar.	[02:39]
asciilifeform	brendafdez: what is a trunk room ?	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	add one and one. it's how they ended up drinking tea.	[02:39]
brendafdez	spare place to store shit	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	very supportive home market. "oh, our empire building boys abroad found blue rocks ? FINE! we will make hats with them! they're very valuable now!"	[02:39]
BingoBoingo	I'm not a big fan of ticker booze. Higher Etoh content is great. Just thicker devolves into schnapps.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform aka punishment room. small room no windows where bad girls go to meditate.	[02:40]
brendafdez	asciilifeform not sure if that's the proper word	[02:40]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: schnapps << i once suggested a drink, 'the kapo' - one part schnapps to one part 'manischewitz'	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	If working the liver, why also push the pancreas closer to diabeetus.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	if you get ^ this, you are qualified for the time machine excursion.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	Leichenträger Zur Wache!	[02:42]
asciilifeform	*zu	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	Etoh has blessed me with plenty of forward moving "time machine" jumps. Never given me the backwards jump to 2003 I'd make so much out of.	[02:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00030324 = 25.7451 BTC [+]	[02:44]
asciilifeform	re: square metrage: on a number of occasions i spoke with tourists and visitors of various kinds from 'orc' lands. who marvelled at hearing of 'american salary' etc. i patiently explained that it's rather like a shabbier version of where they came from with a zero or two welded on to both sides of the household balance sheet. like zimbabwe 'dollar'. normally folks grasp it and face lights up.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up nanashi_	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	the us is principally annoying because of the challenge finding edibles is.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	any physical location takes well over 100 man-hours of research before it can be livable.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	right.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	the folks born and raised on 'eat recycled phood, it's good for the environment And ok for you!' typically don't bother.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	with any of that.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	they're also dumb.	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2015/03/neurologists-telling-neurology-jokes.html	[02:50]
assbot	Doctor Grumpy in the House: Neurologists telling neurology jokes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAeKEf )	[02:50]
asciilifeform	they're also dumb << that's the interesting part, plenty of folks walking around who are not dumb in the usual sense - but grew up in this bizarre underground ww3 vault where of course the fucking sky is made of cement, what else could it be made of, and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling'	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	The first time I taught undergraduates I was surprised to learn that most of the students had no ability to judge if their answers seemed plausible. [...] You could ask a question about a guy throwing a football, and answers would range from 1 meter/second all the way to 5000 meters/second. You could ask a question about how far someone can hit a baseball and answers would similarly range from a few meters to a few k	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	ilometers. No one would notice when answers were wildly wrong. [...] Since I began working in the business world I’ve noticed that most people never develop that skill. Stick a number in a sentence and people just mentally run right over it, you might as well have inserted some klingon phrases. Some of the better actuaries do have some nice numerical intuition, but a surprising number don’t. They can calculate,	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	but they don’t understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searle’s chinese room but with numbers.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	oh god this is so very true.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	it's a) exactly my experience and b) the fundamental reason the cattle is despised, actually.	[02:55]
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mircea_popescu	it bothers most thinking people, on a very fundamental and not necessarily conscious level, to interact with anyone exhibiting this particular idiocy.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	people not washing is easier to tolerate. much easier.	[02:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform imo, the " and why do you use that weirdo archaic word 'sky' anyway, it's 'ceiling'" is exactly definitorily dumb.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	how do you define "dumb" ?	[02:57]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: when they fail to grasp 'sky' once taken to the surface ?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	that could well be just a defense mechanism.	[02:58]
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asciilifeform	and were was the numbers thing from ?	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/99197329658/chapter-48-utilitarianism	[02:59]
assbot	Wading In — Chapter 48 - Utilitarianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAg1LN )	[02:59]
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asciilifeform	aha	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	dumb in my head is the situation of one who takes his circumstance, whatever it may be, as the complete story.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	which is why things like "x animal sought to find its home" makes the animal seem smart, or w/e the opposite of dumb is.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	it's also the deep reason women have been throughout human society and the centuries been regarded as intellectually inferior : it just so happens that for very good biological reasson they're primed to accept new circumstances.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	this is related to primate mating.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	but to the innocent eye, they just look beastly.	[03:01]
asciilifeform	'Much could be said about this affliction of the mind that causes people to assume that what they do not understand does not matter, that they have reached such a level of omniscience that they no longer need to observe and listen and learn. Having learned enough, some people evidently stop learning altogether. What they learned first is the standard for everything that comes later. That the probably only _truly_ random ele	[03:03]
asciilifeform	ment in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things, seems not even to be underststandable -- they somehow believe that the order they run into them is universalizable and important, that first impressions really tell you everything you need to know about something. I have seen people who have the mental capacity only for the transition from "have not experienced" to "have experienced", and who are unable to ma	[03:03]
asciilifeform	ke a distinction between their observations and their conclusions, such that they are unable to change their conclusions about what they observed. They walk around like they had CD-Rs for brains.'	[03:03]
asciilifeform	^ obligatory naggum, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html	[03:03]
assbot	Re: two questions about strings - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAgvkS )	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	something like that.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	so in this perspective, not knowing what the sky is makes one ignorant, not dumb.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	but correcting my usage of sky makes them dumb, and their ignorance is no excuse.	[03:03]
ben_vulpes	assbot: Young Adults Are Losing All Hope of Buying a Starter Home - check it out, being a twentysomething usian kid is a worse fate than being a 20something chinese kid. << tell me about	[03:08]
ben_vulpes	about it*	[03:08]
ben_vulpes	five-six thousand years later you'll be launching the titanic! << this is precisely what the "domes in the outback" routine is all about	[03:09]
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ben_vulpes	where nothing ever seems to get constructed << oh give over, it's benign retardation	[03:18]
ben_vulpes	build roads out of shit with high thermal expansion coefficients in washington dc, shit's going to crack before your eyes.	[03:19]
BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/03/power-chair-riders/	[03:19]
assbot	Census Data Project Power-Chair Riders Will Outnumber Pedestrians by 2040 \| GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAiBkU )	[03:19]
ben_vulpes	timisoara. it thinks itself a major romanian town, but it's more like... well... portland, basically. << dude the capital of the occupied coastal territories is remarkable only for being isolated from the retardation of both california and seattle	[03:20]
ben_vulpes	besides, something tells me you'll salivate after the vibe of any place that's not washington fucking dc. << no but you see "muh jaeorb"	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	and just about everyone i know has some version of this << my parabolic testing facility, f'r instance.	[03:22]
ben_vulpes	^ this is solvable, albeit at astonishing cost << near you maybe. not out here in the sticks.	[03:24]
ben_vulpes	the good veggies, provided you step outside of the corporate-blessed brand sanctuary and actually go to a "farmers market" or the "first permanent tent structure within city limits" are -- surprise -- cheaper than the lettuces shipped up from cali.	[03:25]
ben_vulpes	which given their water problems should surprise precisely nobody.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes but you have to send someone to hunt these down and use them.	[03:26]
ben_vulpes	http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy	[03:26]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation Reaches Release \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAjxWg )	[03:26]
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ben_vulpes	also probably i have to write an opinion piece as to what the fuck a reference implementation is for	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	^ do that.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	nice editorial entry from bitcoin foundation chair.	[03:26]
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ben_vulpes	i knew when my pinky was stretching for enter that something was wrong	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	sure boss you got it	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	two weeks	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:27]
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mircea_popescu	writing's important yo.	[03:28]
ben_vulpes	but they dont understand what the calculations are really telling them, like Searles chinese room but with numbers. << i tried to have a conversation about amazon's quadcopter delivery system, using an ergodic analysis	[03:28]
ben_vulpes	counterparty fell back to "but don't you see the value in being the company that builds out quadcopters that can actually fly shit places?"	[03:29]
ben_vulpes	sideways jetpack problem	[03:29]
ben_vulpes	with batteries	[03:29]
ben_vulpes	i...apparently cannot argue this one effectively.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	im missing some stuff here. wut ?	[03:30]
ben_vulpes	amazon, u savvy?	[03:30]
ben_vulpes	up there with aapl in drop shipping.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	i know there exists a us corp by that name. it originalyl did books, then junk, now hosting.	[03:30]
ben_vulpes	so they've been banging on in public about delivery of small packages by quadrotor.	[03:30]
ben_vulpes	quadrotor, u savvy?	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	yep, ex rf toy, meanwhile useful.	[03:31]
ben_vulpes	rf?	[03:31]
ben_vulpes	oh oh	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	rf toys yeah.	[03:31]
ben_vulpes	anyways. point i'm trying to make is that the fuel cost for putting boxes in trucks and moving them around is vastly lower than fuel costs for putting boxes on quadrotors and derping them around town.	[03:32]
ben_vulpes	quadrotor not even having a glide rate so to speak, and suffering from the jetpack problem.	[03:32]
ben_vulpes	(only efficient use of a jetpack is to go up as high as possible and then glide sidways as far as possible.)	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	well, are you accounting for costs correctly ?	[03:33]
ben_vulpes	probably not, so let's model it.	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	ie, do you count what it costs to run the trucks starting with what it costs to build the roads they run on ?	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-foundation-reaches-release/ << might be worth calling out why a static build is noteworthy << Vessenes foundation seemed to have been doing static builds for the binaries they distribute... Needs more informed finger too elaboarate why this is different...	[03:33]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation Reaches Release \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAkDRR )	[03:33]
ben_vulpes	no but that's not actually a cost to aws business either in the glorious communist states where more dollars are simply printed to maintain infrastrucutre.	[03:34]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: a distributed binary is not the same a binary cooked up on ones own box.	[03:34]
ben_vulpes	who knows what strange is in the former.	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Sure	[03:34]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: the (national) gas tax hasn't even been bumped to account for inflation since...93?	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes let me put it this way : trucks are an excellent midrange solution. if the distance they travel is neither too long nor too shoirt, they do fine	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	(length in this impoverished model means nothing other the inverse of density : the longer the distance the lower the density)	[03:37]
ben_vulpes	density of package delivery targets?	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	on very short distances they suffer from high density problems (ie, if we live three blocks from each other in manhattan anything';s better than trying to ship you stuff)	[03:37]
nubbins`	seems like drones are more a replacement for bike couriers than trucks	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	on very long distances they suffer from low desnity problem (ie, if you want this sent 5000 miles away, odds are there's not a road leading to your destination)	[03:38]
ben_vulpes	right.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	both classes of problems are being controlled atm with artificial restraints, but technology esentially means arbitrage between actual and artificial restraints.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	and mind that "more dollars are printed" does not in fact work to maintain infrastructure.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	it only seems to.	[03:39]
ben_vulpes	lol the biker is aware of this.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	which is why one's own two legs are such valuable infrastructure, moreso than any car.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	they will get you ~anywhere~	[03:39]
ben_vulpes	nevertheless, it obviates aws/fedex/ups' obligation to invest in the road.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	so will this flying toy.	[03:40]
ben_vulpes	hm.	[03:40]
ben_vulpes	i'm kind of horrified at the notion that aws will outlive the usg.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	definitely will.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	not sure if amazon aws per se, but yes.	[03:40]
ben_vulpes	well aws -> amazon	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	you know what i mean.	[03:41]
ben_vulpes	and you i i think	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[03:41]
ben_vulpes	the dropshipper.	[03:41]
ben_vulpes	not the shared hosting company.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	even so. look at it this way : zimmerman died, his pgp still in use.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	satoshi idem, his bitcoin etc.	[03:42]
ben_vulpes	yeah but bezos?	[03:42]
ben_vulpes	amazon baffles me.	[03:42]
ben_vulpes	they make no money.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	they make corpses.	[03:42]
ben_vulpes	require vast orchestration overhead to survive. not like pgp and bitcoin.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	making corpses is a surer way to power than making money.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	so, after what happened to b&n...	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	huh	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	better be long amazon than basically anyone else in the atoms biz in the us.	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	not so much long amazon as short everyone else.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	exactly :)	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	you now understand finance!	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	you don't buy X because it's good, you buy it because it'll outlive everyone else, shitty as it is.	[03:44]
ben_vulpes	lol let's not get ahead of ourselves now	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	hence the importance of making corpses.	[03:44]
ben_vulpes	right.	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	the more companies you kill, the more you're it.	[03:45]
ben_vulpes	well this has been enlightening	[03:45]
ben_vulpes	i'm going to focus on murder and mayhem for my shartup business plan	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	win.	[03:45]
ben_vulpes	and in the meantime, i'm going long this girl.	[03:45]
ben_vulpes	nite!	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	jurov a ty	[16:51]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: and Usagi (megalol) << "Usagi the insurer" along with "Kludge the banker" and others	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	jurov you know it only just confirmed a few hours ago!	[16:53]
jurov	i'm doing it preemptively	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:54]
jurov	in the past i have waited for deposits to clear themselves, usually did not happen	[16:54]
jurov	and now looks like dividends have to be requested, too...	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	i've formed a psychological aversion to dividends because i keep fucking the sums up ;/	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt	[17:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19DjtjA )	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	!up deedbot-	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt	[17:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19DjrYW )	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	sigh	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	trinque : a) could deedbot be registered so it autovoices ; b) could the website be edited so as to be arranged as discussed ; c) could the syntax of this thing be fixed so i can actually use it!	[17:02]
trinque	deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/36YFP5T.txt	[17:03]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[17:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19DjJ22 )	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	danke. but rly, add-deed is spurious, it should just presume it if a naked url is presented. and i hate those :	[17:04]
trinque	mircea_popescu: yep, told mod6 above I'm going to try to work on it this week	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	mostly because autofill adds a space then i have to delete it etc. serves no purpose either.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	ah ok hadn't gone through logs yet.	[17:04]
trinque	the : might be deeper in the bot than the plugin code	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	just sed	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	just sed 's/://' over the codebase	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	what's the worst that can happen!	[17:05]
trinque	haha, surely that will work	[17:05]
trinque	but yeah, totally agree on the feedback so far, just balancing increased IRL load-average	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	what do you do irl anyway ?	[17:05]
trinque	make ordering app-things for restaurants	[17:06]
trinque	shartup	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	somehow something tells me this sucks.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	!rated trinque	[17:06]
assbot	You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation.	[17:06]
thestringpuller	oh yea enterprise retail managment	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	!rare trinque 2 Balancing increased IRL load-average!	[17:06]
thestringpuller	!rated mircea_popescu	[17:06]
assbot	You rated user mircea_popescu on 01-Mar-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: upgraded to mah nigga.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	!rate trinque 2 Balancing increased IRL load-average!	[17:06]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: I am doing the work of about 5 regular code-monkeys	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.trinque.2:83bd96c94c9f5b079148413fb831bb5be8a9354344140ef0d01bf274b81c4eab	[17:07]
trinque	we're a 2 and a half person startup, finally gaining speed	[17:07]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to 2 with note: Balancing increased IRL load-average!	[17:07]
trinque	and ty for the rate	[17:07]
thestringpuller	trinque: hire co-ops at half price :D	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	only took like a year o.O	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly, we had that spacestation gayness convo A YEAR AGO ?	[17:07]
trinque	lol, apparently so	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	foundain of fucking youth : sit in b-a all day, everything will have happened coupla weeks ago.	[17:08]
trinque	despite load average I could not resist being even a meager part of this place.	[17:09]
trinque	mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/14zzR9FfAZFEUxPAGrFoDAQDhEeiEpYtG5	[17:10]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 14zzR9FfAZFEUxPAGrFoDAQDhEeiEpYtG5 ... ( http://bit.ly/19DkF6v )	[17:10]
mod6	is that the funding addr for deedbot?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	wassat ?	[17:11]
trinque	that's the spend for what'll be your bundle shortly	[17:11]
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thestringpuller	?!?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	ic.	[17:12]
ascii_field	semi-automat	[17:12]
thestringpuller	there are two asciilifeform 's ?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	oh and d) make a deed stating what deedbot does, who's maintaining it, what addy it takes for funding etc.	[17:12]
trinque	fo sho	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	an' something more spanish http://40.media.tumblr.com/b0b36b3bf037077c28002f7deb95deac/tumblr_mujcujfepM1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg	[17:13]
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trinque	lol @ the face of mischief	[17:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057732 << yeah, they figure they can pass laws substantially going "if we need your money you must give it to us" and that'll do anything more than dissolve the uk as a legal entity.	[17:23]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 12:02:53; danielpbarron: (c) in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom.	[17:23]
ascii_field	what i don't get is why they even bother signaling intent to do this with 'laws'	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057737 << technically correct : a period they know least about would be dark.	[17:24]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:19; danielpbarron: "It's offensive. While feminism is a movement that aims to make the world a better place by promoting equality, nazism is a movement which is linked to one of the darkest periods in history" << lol "darkest periods"	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field because they're not actually tyhinking	[17:24]
ascii_field	ah, britain, the home of the peine forte et dure - perfect for recalcitrant kulaks clinging to keys...	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.	[17:27]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 12:05:45; davout: i recall it being mentioned that this was only the "default" deposit address, too lazy to !s it	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field maybe i'm veering into insanity by now, but i tell you honestly, i wouldn't give it to them if the whole country fucking sunk for it.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	finally a chance to exercise that fiat justitia, pereat mundi thing, and entirely within one's own hand. how to pass such a thing ?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron anyway, nazism also aimed to make the wortld a better place. this is indisputable. and it also aimed to do this by empowering a subgroup at the expense of other subgroups, which it perceived , falsely, as oppressive. the identity between internet feminism and fascism is quite indisputable.	[17:31]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: this is why i made the panel switches removable. easy installation of pull ring for zap toggle.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	jews have all the money and power, men have all the money and power, jews have secret conspiracies to keep aryans down, men have secret conspiracies to keep womyn down, real aryans wouldn't fuck jews, real womyn wouldn't fuck men,	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	it's exactly the same thing, for a new, and "dark" generation.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field nah, i wouldn't destreoy it.	[17:32]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i would like the 'pulling the pin' concept to get some traction	[17:32]
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mircea_popescu	it must stay there, forever, inaccessible. let em fucking twitch in agony.	[17:32]
ascii_field	and naturally you don't destroy -only- copy	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	well then what do you destroy ?	[17:32]
ascii_field	just the one you happen to have on person when besieged	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[17:32]
ascii_field	because enemy will assume it, regardless of whether the case or not	[17:33]
ascii_field	so may as well. you still need the cyanide	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	...	[17:33]
*	ascii_field not expert game-theorist, but this point seems pretty clear	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	since when is what X will asume our point of interest ?	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	well so if it's clear clarify it!	[17:33]
ascii_field	well, the torture chamber is a kind of game-theoretical playground	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	and i don't intend to give them THAT easy way out either. let em fucking work for their keep. what, keep me in prison for fifty years ? cool.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	people usually have to pay for that sort of security.	[17:34]
ascii_field	i won't pontificate on whether the past century of usg work on tortures, dope, etc. came to anything, but this is more or less the kind of situation it was all ultimately waiting for, to try.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron : Sep 24 21:32:22 send them moar porn! that should keep them busy for awhile! ( 2012)	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	Sep 23 15:47:49 oh my << kakobrekla's friend too :D	[17:37]
ascii_field	quite possibly 'raytheon' or the like is even now marketing a fully-automatic ecdsa rectothermocryptoanalyzer.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	yaya.	[17:38]
ascii_field	comes with two ends: one goes in arse,	[17:38]
ascii_field	other is key for user.	[17:38]
ascii_field	well, 'patient'	[17:38]
ascii_field	no need to involve a professional	[17:38]
ascii_field	who can be bribed or bought	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	and this will work, because reality is fan fiction and any nonsense can happen.	[17:38]
ascii_field	who said it'll work	[17:39]
ascii_field	just that it'll be sold.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	well its mere existence. so who made these ? robots ?	[17:39]
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ascii_field	same folks who make the rest of the usg toybox	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	who ordered them made and what's his faith based on that he won't be the first they'll be tried on ?	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	right.	[17:39]
ascii_field	phalaris's bull!	[17:39]
ascii_field	moo.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	ie, the same usg that gets killed with the weapons it made and gave away.	[17:39]
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ascii_field	anyway i bring it up because it seems almost certain to be tried. cryptoanalysis is the one kind of peine forte et dure where answer can be instantly verified by machine. so torment can be very efficient - for slow, 'humane' variant, just put it on the door lock	[17:41]
ascii_field	for quick - rectothermics. anything in between, also.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	you misread the incentives tho.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	your ideas work in this situation where the usg is "the universe" and the guy it torments just a guy.	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	the situation is that some guys are trying to torment the universe. this is dysfunctional as a plan.	[17:42]
ascii_field	not everybody's zoya kosmodemyanskaya and dies silent partizan	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	but that was not this.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	think for a second of the "antisocial struggle" example : every shot cop costs the state millions, and the shooter a bullet.	[17:43]
ascii_field	germany was also not 'the universe'	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	the situation isn't magically changed just because we're no longer shooting.	[17:43]
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ascii_field	but this didn't save the girl	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	every anything you propose costs the usg way more than it costs you.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	like, one year in prison ? costs you nothing, costs them 100k or w/e it is.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	and it costs real actual value, not dollars.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	so...	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	by all means.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field what does it mean "to be saved" ?	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	i surmise you don't use it in the christian sense, but what do you mean by it ?	[17:44]
ascii_field	see, the rectoanalyzer will not be used by conventional 'daylight' usg, no	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	o, right. it will be used by soemthing that doesn't actually exist ?	[17:44]
ascii_field	it'll be used by folks with the access to the prisoner and some plausible cover	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	(by which i mean : has teh physical characteristics of inexistence)	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field and who will believe their cover ?	[17:44]
ascii_field	why so certain that this is an impossible or even unlikely scenario ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	people mostly don't believe the usg statements in the case of ulbricht. what when they're actually made up ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	because your description of this entity has more in common with that which doesn't exist than with that which does, and so parsimoniously it doesn't exist.	[17:45]
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ascii_field	ulbricht, say, will be listed as 'dead of prison buggery hiv+' in his papers. but in actuality will sit down on this auto-electric-anthill at langley	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, back on the "salvation" angle : is the doctor who cures your cancer savbing you ? suppose you die coming out of the hospital run over by a bus. what salvation ?	[17:46]
ascii_field	or is mircea_popescu proposing that this is -EV for the folks involved	[17:46]
ascii_field	by 'save' meant the banal fact that to prisoner, his captors may as well be 'the universe'	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	i am saying two things. one is that your model of "folks involved" is actually inconsistent. the other is that for any consistent model, the -ev is so pronounced as to make any other alternative rationally preferable.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	but this banal fact is not a fact.	[17:47]
ascii_field	it did not help warsaw rebellion that ru tanks were 2hrs away	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	there are no tanks here.	[17:47]
ascii_field	well, the doom of the jailers, whatever form it might take	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	you understand ? the ro revolution was not in the slightest hindered by the fact the ro army tanks were right there.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	on the contrary.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	assets are liabilities. that's what it is.	[17:48]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: slightly misunderstanding example. the ru tanks emboldened the rebels, hastening their deaths	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	arguably on both ends of that.	[17:48]
ascii_field	used here as illustration that the imminent demise of usg and the broader zombie civilization that created it, does not separate ulbricht's arse from anthill	[17:49]
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ascii_field	rather, it brings it closer to.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	but think for a moment through it. so, in a country where petreus can't have fun with an ugly stupiod old whore, there still exist these people who can do outrageous things.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	clinton ejaculating on some fat broad is not outrageous, sparked an outrage.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	but these folk somehow get away with it.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[17:50]
ascii_field	outrageous things such as lowering a general into pederasty, for example	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	he did that himself.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	the bitinstant schmuck did it himself also.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	they did it themselves, by doing what you propose is "unavoidable".	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	suppose petreus didn't go down for it, went on a snowden tour. what then ?	[17:51]
*	ascii_field sorta gets what mircea_popescu meant here	[17:51]
ascii_field	that'll be hilarious!	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	the dod accuses him so and so,. he's all over al jazeera explaining what a poopyhead obama is.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	who wins the next election ? jeb bush ?	[17:51]
ascii_field	pulling a grigorenko	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	what's the cost to the elite ?	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	what, they disappear them ?	[17:52]
ascii_field	aha	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	costs EVEN MOREW	[17:52]
ascii_field	like the other snowden	[17:52]
ascii_field	unless he hides in putin's house, he'll be disappeared for less than a whitehouse dinner costs	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	now, granted, a transhumanist in the audience aged about 11 and with an education consisting mostly of harry potter books may think himself so important that this is a bad deal.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	i don't happen to share that view.	[17:53]
ascii_field	which is a bad deal, and for whom ?	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field you're miscalculating costs.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	take an example further away, may help. so cristina ordered the death of a prosecutor that was going to put her in jail.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	what was the cost of this ? there's three working on it now. so the cost was, superficially, problem x3.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	plus, everything else, starting with the press and ending with... who the fuck wants to talk to her now ? kim ?	[17:54]
ascii_field	and she is closer to the jail?	[17:54]
ascii_field	or 3 pliant ones	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	i doubt anyone seriously believes she moves into anything but a jail cell once term ends.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	but in any case, her negotiating basis changed, and so now the victory of the opposition is incontrovertible.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	a year ago it was at best dubious.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	costs, baby. nothing's more expensive than action, especially when you're in a swamp.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	and all society's a swamp.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	your model worked fine in a world of lumberjacks and church bell towers a day's walk away from each other.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	that world doesn't exist, most soldiers die of ricochet.	[17:55]
ascii_field	they died of ricochet (well, shrapnel) in 1915	[17:56]
ascii_field	just as now	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	but not in 1600.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	your model's anchored in an older time, a quieter time.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	a simpler time.	[17:56]
ascii_field	my model is more of a hypothesis re: what tools usg will pick up when the usual ones (magick away the universe with idiot media tricks) begin to fail	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	take, for argument's sake, the guy in tienanmen. now, the cost of the tank running him over ? w/e, five cents in detergent and ten cents in gasoline.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the idea that as the skin fails away the body can move to a 2nd line of defense is ridiculous. people with burns over 80% of the surface don't survive on their own.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	it NEEDS it. once that fails, IT fails.	[17:58]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the only reason we know about him is the gigantic crew of usg photographers and a usg planetary mediachumatron ready to endlessly reprint the photo	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	what, fetlife will order my content off my blog ? what's your scenario here ?	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	we will publish it a billion times.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	this isn't a conflict that can be won. inasmuch as it's a conflict, it was already lost.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	the only way out is submission, abject.	[17:59]
ascii_field	but meanwhile american north kr.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	dubious.	[18:00]
ascii_field	and british, australian, french, etc. north kr	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	have you seen how slender koreans are ?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	what makes you think you can make a north kr. with fatties ?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	if you were a film producer you would filter the actors, yet reality doesn't care ?	[18:00]
ascii_field	not sure why one can't build it out of whoever, of lemurs, of bonobos.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	but are you sure they can.	[18:01]
ascii_field	will try	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	well that ain't much.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	for all you know sperm tries to impregnate the tiles everytime someone jacks off.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ever seen tilemonster ?	[18:01]
ascii_field	lol no	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well...	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	this seemed a plausible theory for centuries at a stretch.	[18:02]
ascii_field	which? inertial guidance for spermatozoa ?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	no, generation of demons and monsters through masturbation.	[18:02]
ascii_field	ah	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	"it tried... and it succeeds, probably!"	[18:03]
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ascii_field	what does it even mean - to 'succeed' at being north kr?	[18:03]
ascii_field	seems like the only item therein is a 'try;	[18:04]
ascii_field	'	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea, your definition.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	but in any case : i happen to think the attempt'd do a huge service to all usians.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	they really could use some whipping.	[18:04]
ascii_field	'heightening the contradictions' aha	[18:04]
ascii_field	(term of art)	[18:04]
jurov	http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile << example. and many others that prove putin's bloody hands	[18:06]
assbot	Evidence proving that flight MH-17 was taken down by a BUK missile \| RTL Nieuws ... ( http://bit.ly/18MgvrK )	[18:06]
jurov	wouldn't happen in 1600, yes	[18:07]
chetty	in 1600 there were still places to flee to	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	jurov i don't recall what the positions were there, was it the pro-russians saying the pro-nato downed it with a jet, and the pro-nato saying the pro-russians took it down with a buk ?	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	chetty like where ?	[18:08]
jurov	pro russians and alf said urks downed it with air-to-air missiles	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	"Investigation into the chemical composition showed that they are remains from a BUK missile, among which fragments from the warhead – the pay load. The fragment of the warhead consists of a low-quality alloy of steel common to this form of ammunition. It appears from electroscopic enlargements that a fragment shows a cast-on Cyrillic serial number from the Russian language next to a partly broken number 2."	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	this wasn't salted by any chance was it ?	[18:08]
jurov	it's still underway, we'll see	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	jurov so wait, the fact that it was downed by a missile is not disputed ? then why's this relevant ?	[18:10]
jurov	everything is disputed and muddied beyond all recognition	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[18:11]
chetty	and so it will remain	[18:11]
jurov	but eventually some picture emerges. that would not be the case at all in 1600	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	of course it was ?	[18:12]
jurov	just that russians seem to stay stuck several centuries ago. to detriment of everyone.	[18:12]
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jurov	!up ascii_field	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	jurov so the idea being that it's better in one empire than the other ?	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	i can see the argument.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/19/obama-broaches-mandatory-voting/25010443/	[18:13]
assbot	Obama broaches the idea of mandatory voting ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1EnDq )	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	^ maybe next they can has a referendum too.	[18:13]
jurov	i did not mean to take it that far	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov well... getting idiots to mind their own fucking business might be a bridge too far.	[18:14]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: gossipd	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057797 is an attempted self-boon by fiat, which bitcoin will ignore like all the others ? and warn reuters and whatever idiot signed it to dessist from lying and misrepresenting while they still have their heads ?	[18:17]
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chetty	Saw a poll that 50% of americans still don't know health insurance is mandatory, wonder how they would pull off mandatory voting?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	chetty same way they do here, or anywhere else for that matter : bus them in.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	ostensibly to give them candy or something. THAT they will know about.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	all it takes is to make inner city clinic prescriptions for "medication" contingent on voting card.	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057820 << only if your bios is set to that boot order i imagine.	[18:20]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 14:20:01; danielpbarron: today i learned that OpenBSD will boot into the installer if it finds the install CD in the drive while booting	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057831 << optical drive is burned. unlike usb which is rewritable.	[18:21]
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mircea_popescu	lobbes well actually, since a bunch of uninformed idiots are creating the problem in the first place, adding more resolves it rather than anything.	[18:22]
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danielpbarron	yeah, turns out that wasn't what was happening	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	!up bhcoins	[18:28]
-assbot-	You voiced bhcoins for 30 minutes.	[18:28]
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mircea_popescu	you shouldn't go around logged into the windows equivalent of root.	[18:28]
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ascii_field	jurov: admitting that i wasn't there, didn't shoot it,	[18:28]
ascii_field	jurov: do you not find it peculiar that the verdict was decided on by nato media immediately, without the corpses so much as having even cooled down ?	[18:29]
ascii_field	and reprinted on whole planet.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057874 requires a reference to http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/	[18:29]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 16:33:12; assbot: GoDaddy accounts vulnerable to social engineering and Photoshop \| CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNsc0v )	[18:29]
assbot	O hai let me verify your identity! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18Mkxk9 )	[18:29]
jurov	no that's sop, RT rushed with its version likewise	[18:29]
ascii_field	how else.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field an advantageous explanation would be : they knew they didn't do it, so...	[18:29]
jurov	lol	[18:30]
ascii_field	and jurov is right - from nato-world standpoint, ru is holding the rest of the planet back - by annoyingly remaining alive and sitting on all that 'unearned' mineral resource and unraped land	[18:31]
ascii_field	this is precisely why eternal war	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057879 << redditards being retarded on reddit ?	[18:31]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 16:41:04; nubbins`: what?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ahem. the us is sitting on a lot of unearned mineral resources and unraped land. like say, alaska.	[18:31]
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ascii_field	aha, similar	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	well so then this can't be it.	[18:32]
ascii_field	except that better at raping lands	[18:32]
ascii_field	more efficient economical system runs through the fuel - faster. elementary	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	simpler explanation : everyone in central europe hates the russians, because last time they had the chance to matter they fucked it up.	[18:32]
jurov	ascii_field: so what's your proposal for better post-cold-war arrngements?	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	everyone in the middle east hates the big satan / us for exact same reason	[18:33]
jurov	large	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	and russians don't have many freiends in the caucasus etc	[18:33]
ascii_field	jurov: arranging people is above my paygrade	[18:33]
ascii_field	jurov: just describing why 'there ain't room in the town for the both'of'em' to borrow from 'western' films	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	more efficient economical system runs through the fuel - faster. elementary << nope, other way around actually. the more advanced, the more fuel.	[18:33]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: what i meant was, the rare earths of ru are largely still in the earth	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	so in alaska.	[18:34]
ascii_field	and likewise (though less so) the petro	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	dubious. most oil is probably in the sea.	[18:34]
jurov	that's russian paranoia from the US. it's clear beyond doubt, chinese will move to siberia first, given an opportunity	[18:35]
jurov	US is not risking a conflict there	[18:36]
ascii_field	jurov: they are already there	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057898 << easy my foot. i hope you try and think you succeeded and then automate it and then i rape you with dns poisoning.	[18:36]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 16:56:16; fluffypony: the fulfillment is easy	[18:36]
ascii_field	jurov: ask the folks who live there.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	jurov you have a point, there.	[18:36]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I meant relatively easy	[18:36]
fluffypony	but yes	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	"relatively easy" as in "always works sorta" ?	[18:36]
fluffypony	the fact that you can fuck with something outside of it is a fail point	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	your contract must be specified. once you specify it, you have specified a way to circumvent it. end of story.	[18:37]
fluffypony	basically it can only ever work on things directly observable on the blockchain	[18:37]
fluffypony	which makes it fairly useless	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	so basically... it's about as redundant as everything else the power rangers have made, past coupla years.	[18:37]
fluffypony	"release the money to mircea_popescu if I send the money to mircea_popescu" is about the sum total of it	[18:37]
jurov	well... so you see what is the nato standpoint. not these "unraped" delusions	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov maybe i don't ?	[18:37]
jurov	it was answer alf	[18:38]
jurov	*to alf	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	what, it's secret, i don't get to see it ? only the choice alfs ?	[18:38]
jurov	why do his worldview does bother me so, i don't know	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	well cause he lives with one set of idiots and you with the other.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	you both need for your own sanity to misrepresent the other's set.	[18:39]
jurov	"from nato-world standpoint, ru is holding the rest of the planet back - by annoyingly remaining alive and sitting on all that 'unearned' mineral resource and unraped land"	[18:39]
jurov	is it a big misrepresentation to label it as paranoia?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	only inasmuch as you think this is a label to begin with.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	intl politics is petrified paranoia.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	as it should be.	[18:40]
jurov	lolk	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	like saying "look at this cute 9 year old girl, i bet she's got a cunt between her legs under the skirt there" is rather impolitic,	[18:40]
chetty	it mostly needs more petrification	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	people will react when you point out the paranoia.	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057901 << imagine fi every time you went to buy something both you and the seller had to imobilize capital. wallmart would need trillions just to be able to keep doing business.	[18:44]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 16:56:38; danielpbarron: he's probably referring to some thing where both parties put up bitcoin collateral in an escrow controlled by "the block chain"	[18:44]
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mircea_popescu	this "idea" is so fucking retarded it's perhaps the best advertisement to my ancient "you don't get to have ideas, go work for someone who matters" thing. only people without the first clue as to how things work could entertain such nonsense.	[18:45]
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danielpbarron	speaking of which, here's the latest lulz from the forum:	[18:47]
danielpbarron	I'm sorry, maybe I don't understand where you're coming from, but why are you quoting Mircea Popescu? I admit I have not read this entire thread, so maybe there's a reason... but I don't see what value there is to quoting an insane, misogynistic, racist drug addict here? The guy has shown time and again that he has no idea what he's talking about and everything he has ever done in his life is complete garbage (just going by	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057881 << generally the correct strategy is "never compete in saturated markets". which is why i don't date, i don't vc, i don't business school etc.	[18:47]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 16:51:07; trinque: my both immediate and long-term strategy has been to identify markets where the software has languished, and to raid the space with something built well	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron lol, did i become a drug addict once i stopped being a woman ?	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	or is that when i became mysoginistic.	[18:48]
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chetty	they left out racist	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	racist gypsy!	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	for completeness.	[18:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.0002822 = 18.343 BTC [+]	[18:49]
danielpbarron	did my paste get cut off? racist is in there.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	can you be an insane drug addict ?	[18:50]
chetty	oh oops my bad	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	i thought drugs cured insanity.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron lol account made today no less ? cute.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	who is this then, goat ?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	gotta admire danielpbarron's dedication tho.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	everything he has ever done in his life is complete garbage (just going by what I've read of and from him, so I could be incorrect).	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	ajhaha you got cut off before the better parts.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what this guy did in his life that he's so upset at himself anyway.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	must be goat.	[18:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo or anyone inclined, can we have a qntra piece discussing why << Sketching one out	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	coolness	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	one of the most fascinating things about reading satoshi's statements is just how often he makes the correct choice for the wrong reasons.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	as a fine example, the bit danielpbarron quotes : "The proof-of-work also solves the problem of determining representation in majority decision making. If the majority were based on one-IP-address-one-vote, it could be subverted by anyone able to allocate many IPs. Proof-of-work is essentially one-CPU-one-vote."	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	if this implies he settled on pow for that reason, it then follows he chose the correct mechanism for exactly the wrong reason, becuase that's the only aspect under which pow has failed.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck do thicker walls lower crime.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	do thicker arteries lower embolisms too ?	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057922 << but that's exactly what it is. "more accessible", as in, tolerable for idiots, while inconvenient for smart people.	[19:00]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 17:06:07; thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re: youtube videos for dumb people << i've started thinking because Videos are much easier to consume than words, dumb people are more attracted to it cause they can "watch it" instead of "read it"	[19:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057929 << very true danielpbarron. blogs aren't a collection of literary fiction unless you particularly wish to do that. there's however a glut of bad ones, because many idiots think themselves "creative" when they're just stupid, ignorant and lazy.	[19:01]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 17:10:55; ben_vulpes: your pogo saga's a good start	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the well documented nonfiction blog is always well regarded, and as it happens stuff that's banal to you often will be fascinating to others. which is why a psychologist's blog is like, b-a's favourite blog or something.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057934 << e) trinque lol]	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057950 << and i dun think you're the only one.	[19:03]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 18:23:44; lobbes: I tell you, I've learned more in this channel in a year than I did my entire 4 years of college/university	[19:03]
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trinque	had the distinct reaction after hanging out a while that "this is what university was supposed to have been..."	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	quite exactly.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	"university" means elitist and antisocial. neither of these exists in the muggle world anymore,	[19:05]
kakobrekla	was this addressed yet? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057811	[19:05]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 12:53:07; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057736 << have you looked on the 1Fx addy? that would mean no new accounts since november	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	but the original universities were fortified, exactly to keep the redidtards of the time awya.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058040	[19:05]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.	[19:05]
jurov	so nobody want so to be seen regging mpex account? lol	[19:06]
kakobrekla	thats so unlike mp.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	nothing's more unlike mp than mp himself.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	btw kakobrekla mind link http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ to http://deedbot.org/ ?	[19:09]
assbot	Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCWXfS )	[19:09]
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kakobrekla	i dont see how it makes sense to have a special deposit address for first registration+deposit and then you are fine using the single one for all of the rest of txes	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	how do you mean ?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile back at cryptanalysis central, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e3d724457bcadf5e6cdefec8a8b56907/tumblr_mvp8dtcA9H1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg	[19:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1C1QkZU )	[19:12]
kakobrekla	"theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses" < why would anyone be concerned only to have the first address for first deposit+registration unique but is then fine using 1fx for all later deposits	[19:12]
kakobrekla	does not compute	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	not how that works. generally if they get one they get one for all their stuff.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	which imo is a degradation of privacy, but w/e.	[19:14]
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kakobrekla	aha so every one of last 50 or so accounts requested this	[19:15]
kakobrekla	interdasting.	[19:15]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:16]
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ascii_field	jurov: i admit that i'd enjoy reading an article-length thought re: what is it between you and ru	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	not a bad idea, that.	[19:16]
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ascii_field	jurov: like, as with one fella i know, a certain country confiscated his family home and turned it into a (literal) city jail	[19:17]
ascii_field	coloured his opinions, yes	[19:17]
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jurov	my opinions were formed by several friends eating disinfo that was later traced back to RT, with sink and hooker	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	you know, just because most people find sooner or later personal reasons to hate large groups of idiots doesn't reduce the problem.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	hook line and sinker lol	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha sink and hooker excellent	[19:19]
jurov	heh	[19:19]
ascii_field	jurov: notice that i don't live in ru, and nobody's inviting me over. but i happen to see the conflict of irreconcilable civilizations thing, and see the ru version - with the orc barbarism, yes - as less moribund	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	see it's from fishing, when a fish bites so hard it eats not just the bait, but with it the hook, and the bit of fishing line all theway to the floating thing	[19:19]
jurov	yes that what i meant	[19:19]
trinque	it's those kinds of perspectives expressed here that I would never have encountered in daily life	[19:20]
chetty	rt/nbc/cnn all the same big disinfo machine	[19:20]
kakobrekla	anyway just to conclude ihmo this accounts thing does not hold water, but wont poke further.	[19:20]
ascii_field	chetty: rt makes ru-flavoured disinfo, so not same	[19:21]
trinque	chetty: and sure, always knew they were rivers of shit; still hadn't ever heard from anyone that for example even knew what russia was like internally	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	rt = russia today, ftr, not reuters	[19:21]
chetty	<< would not be terribly surprised if they had the same puppet master	[19:21]
ascii_field	chetty: there is a confounding factor: that much of su was bought up at fire-sale by usg operatives	[19:22]
ascii_field	some of whom are still in business	[19:22]
ascii_field	but slowly being euchred out	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	not so slowly. mostly done by now.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	paranoia only remains in the tank.	[19:23]
jurov	we can close whole thing with "everyone is doing it" but.. when did bbc published something like rt did "EU is preparing laws to take your children and to give them to homosexuals"?	[19:23]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla sadly one can't have at the same time verifiability and opacity.	[19:24]
trinque	jurov: bbc works in the opposite direction, covering up for the uk politicans raping the kids themselves	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov different audience, different priors.	[19:25]
jurov	trinque: proof bbc was involved?	[19:25]
chetty	they do their share of making rhe russian the bad guys ...like homosexulas can¿t drive there	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	basically you're saying "how come the man doesn't have a bra ?" when discussing whether man and woman are both dressed.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	just because man doesn't wear a bra doesn't show much about it, men don't wear bras, they wear ties.	[19:26]
trinque	jurov: dunno bout proof, but I'm referring to things like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11243459/The-BBC-is-still-ignoring-evidence-of-a-potential-cover-up-over-Jimmy-Savile.html	[19:26]
assbot	The BBC is still ignoring evidence of a potential cover-up over Jimmy Savile - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1TkFp )	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	trinque did they ever run the stories about how uk soldiers ran a private rape camp in africa, paying the refugees about a dollar per year of age for all night ?	[19:27]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu so you will allow for your clients to get fucked, as you strongly believe that addr reuse is the the way to go, yet you will serve poisonous uniques to clients.	[19:27]
trinque	mircea_popescu: damn, hadn't heard that one	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	o, you hadn't, had you.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla people with enough money have this priviledge, that they may order whatever they wish in the restaurant.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	they're expected to know for themselves.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	if they order puffer fish because "i know what i'm doing", they get puffer fish.	[19:28]
jurov	i did not say bbc is innocent. but covering apparatchik's mishaps vs. war propaganda aimed to alienating whole groups of population?	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	jurov i doubt that's actually a group in russia tho.	[19:29]
kakobrekla	so when someone requests css ?	[19:29]
jurov	https://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/03/14/russia-kremlin-troll-army-examples/ << teh group	[19:29]
assbot	Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts · Global Voices ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZruw )	[19:29]
kakobrekla	this going by what customers want anti b-a bs	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	trinque http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822177/Soldiers-rape-TWO-women-children-Darfur-village-eight-hour-attack.html apparently daily mail has it, bbc is too you know... mendacious to run it.	[19:30]
assbot	Soldiers rape more than TWO HUNDRED women and children in Darfur village in eight-hour attack \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZtCP )	[19:30]
cazalla	mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/THZwPMC.png please to translate and inform if anything interesting	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla they can make their own!	[19:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xCZx5u )	[19:30]
trinque	mircea_popescu: sounds about right	[19:30]
kakobrekla	as they can use their own coin washer for deposits	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	cazalla : in context of virtual coins, bnr makes the following statements : "not national currency, not foreign currency, no one has to accept it as a means of payment"	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	"not electronic money as defined in 127/2011"	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	"ecb has a report about potential risks etc, here"	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	"also, eba warned so and so"	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	"we are trying to keep track."	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla myeah.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	cazalla inb a word, i'd say it's exactly the correct position.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	trinque anyway, if you feel like digging, the outrage of mass rape by uk & other nato soldiers in darfour is amply documented, if amply buried by the "respectable" anglo venues, starting with bbc.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	this has been an ongoing problem for a good half decade by now, if not longer, and in this sense exactly identical to hitler rule in europe,	[19:35]
trinque	I'll check it out	[19:35]
trinque	I know we did things like this in Iraq	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	which is why i'm very little inclined to take jurov's ideas about you know, russia holding anyone back too seriously. all states are evil.	[19:36]
trinque	indeed	[19:36]
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mircea_popescu	one could perhaps shop for evils one likes, these stone homosexuals, those rape niggers, those others strangle unvirgin teens, whatever.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	but fundamentally, you're rooting through shit.	[19:37]
BingoBoingo	I just hope the big 3 (Russia, China, USia) simply keep up their current equilibrium of losing.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	china's not lost anything yet.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	neither has russia, but then again it can be granted it doesn't need to, having been so recently gutted entirely.	[19:39]
trinque	china's maneuver against the US will go down in history	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	which one ?	[19:39]
trinque	getting us to sign onto free trade agreements, etc	[19:39]
BingoBoingo	Not yet, but China's going to need a war soon to cut down their surplus dude problem.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	ah yeah. under threat of south china sea etc.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	and especially the poltroonish reaction of the us to that...	[19:39]
trinque	the way they absorbed our industrial capacity is astounding	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i do not think so. i think they're trying to drone them.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	if this works, china will become irresistible to say, me.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	imagine, a country over a billion strong, in which nine in ten young males are castrated.	[19:40]
BingoBoingo	lol	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	how could you NOT live there. perusing cnreddit and thinking "yeah... but then again... they cut his balls off"	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	the us version of the same thing is outright annoying.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	After the battle, Hermoine becomes concerned that women are underrepresented among heros of the wizarding world, and starts a “Society for the Promotion of Heroic Equality for Witches” or SPHEW.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	lmao by now this is self-parodic.	[19:43]
ascii_field	all states are evil << entirely below the conflict between the mega-states, is some pretty fundamental clash of civilizations	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	there's no usian "civilisation". there's also no russian civilisation.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	as painful as this may sound to teh respective loyalists.	[19:44]
BingoBoingo	Mao and the Japs ended whatever might have been Chinese civilization	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	well maybe uninformedly, but i do believe there is such a thing as chinese, and european civilisation.	[19:45]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i won't say specifically ru, but various aspects like 'children belong to parents as meat, not to the state' being in their bones	[19:45]
ascii_field	and other resistance to 'civilized' degeneracy	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	the notion that the first's fighting a proxy war with the second via us/ru is... a little too livresque for my taste.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field that's chinese. confucianism through and through.	[19:45]
funkenstein_	sounds like y'all think nations are still relevant	[19:46]
funkenstein_	how long do i need to cryosleep for?	[19:46]
ascii_field	ru is sorta what cn might have looked like if it had sat next to europe	[19:46]
ascii_field	without the buffer zone	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ relevancy is a function ofwhat's being discussed. we're discussing nations.	[19:46]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field if cn sat next to europe there wouldn't be a europe.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	both the muscovys and the abassyds very useful for this .	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	and generally unrecognised for it, too.	[19:46]
ascii_field	aha. but in the process of digesting it, cn would have turned into something like ru	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	or like syria.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the fucktarded notion that "children belong to the goddess" that not even repressive medieval christianity could stamp out may well be a problem of the western line.	[19:49]
ascii_field	funkenstein_: if you actually think 'nations are irrelevant' and that folks across the sea are funnily-accented clones of yourself - buy a plane ticket, learn something	[19:49]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: not only it	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	nations are ironically more relevant than states.	[19:49]
ascii_field	states come and go, civilizations are in it for the long (but not infinitely long...) haul.	[19:50]
funkenstein_	well i understand i still need a passport	[19:50]
funkenstein_	ascii_field, that's what i did learn when i did travel	[19:50]
ascii_field	funkenstein_: but unless i misunderstand, you see the passport as a dumb, pointless ritual	[19:51]
funkenstein_	entirely so yes	[19:51]
ascii_field	that you are 'generic human' who ought to be equally wanted anywhere	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ what's your idea of travel ?	[19:51]
ascii_field	and that folks who disagree, are necessarily idiots ?	[19:51]
funkenstein_	equally treated as useless unless evidence is presented otherwise	[19:51]
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trinque	someone will always own the dirt, and have a name for himself and the people who live there.	[19:52]
ascii_field	from where this presumption ?	[19:52]
ascii_field	of 'wanted by default'	[19:52]
funkenstein_	mirecea_popescu, change of position with time? i misunderstand your question	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	well, did you ever spend time abroad ? how much ? did you learn the local language ? did you fuck local or brownbag ? etc.	[19:53]
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funkenstein_	i've spent time on several continents	[19:54]
funkenstein_	held jobs in a couple	[19:54]
ascii_field	which continents ?	[19:54]
funkenstein_	europe, north america	[19:55]
ascii_field	so never left your birth civilization.	[19:55]
funkenstein_	visited s.a., asia	[19:55]
ascii_field	visited as in, came & took pictures? or more ?	[19:55]
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funkenstein_	mostly gringo stuff but not tour guide. some hitchhiking and low budget stuff, but nothing i would brag about here	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	lol oddly protective. you have to learn a foreign language yo. you have to love a woman that's perfectly incomprehensible for your parents. that's what travel is . the rest's tourism.	[19:56]
funkenstein_	i like that, you gotta meet the locals	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	as a local.	[19:57]
ascii_field	^	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	that's the golden standard as a field anthropologist : once the gorillas start plucking your lice.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	not once you get the lice.	[19:57]
ascii_field	!b 5	[19:57]
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funkenstein_	lol	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, lulzy scene. my in bucharest, with slavegirl, at mother's appartment. she goes "oh, so she's X ?" "yeah. would you like to see her naked ?"	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	"o nononononono"	[19:58]
ascii_field	lol, was 'X' a clit-optional country, or what	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	just a name	[19:59]
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mircea_popescu	for that matter, me in istanbul. very competent local secret service guy wants to know where i'm from. "i'm american" "no you're not. you're bulgarian or something".	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	guy was THAT GOOD.	[20:01]
ascii_field	amer can be distinguished from anybody else from a cannon's shot range	[20:02]
ascii_field	so no big trick here	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	yes, but he also got the right general direction.	[20:02]
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funkenstein_	USian you mean i suppose	[20:06]
funkenstein_	oh he left	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	funkenstein_: He might be communting from the field	[20:06]
funkenstein_	harvesting ascii for us in the field	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	funkenstein_: Oh no that's just his substance. You know instead of being limited to TCAG like the rest of us his genetics require the whole character set.	[20:08]
funkenstein_	lol, wow that's quite a bit more information then	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	$^*anine is a helluva nucleic acid	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	As is ]/anine	[20:09]
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funkenstein_	i tested the 0.5.3 build on an old ubuntu box, built like a charm	[20:10]
funkenstein_	i hope to make myself useful around here eventually	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	i didn't leave lol.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	oh , him. nm :p	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ you could get a pogo.	[20:12]
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funkenstein_	!s pogo	[20:13]
assbot	238 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo	[20:13]
danielpbarron	http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/ShadowXOR/why-28-weeks-later-is-a-horrible-movie-spoilers--49045.phtml	[20:14]
assbot	Community Discussion: Blog by ShadowXOR \| Why 28 Weeks Later is a horrible movie (SPOILERS)Destructoid ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaSs6I )	[20:14]
danielpbarron	"OK, here's the plan. Our evacuation tactic is to lock everyone in this room. They should all be extremely safe there. Except we haven't secured the vent OR fire escape... Oh well, I'm sure they'll be fine." They must have been evacuated for maybe TEN MINUTES before the zombie breaks into the fire escape door. Wow, that is a fantastic "safe zone".	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: About how it would work IRL. "Security Theater" and all that	[20:17]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/national-bank-of-romania-clarifies-its-position-on-bitcoin/	[20:17]
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scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/young-frankenstein/	[20:38]
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BingoBoingo	lols https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zjnjs/you_dumb_fuckers_need_to_stop_making_it_so_easy/	[20:48]
assbot	You dumb fuckers need to stop making it so easy for people to steal your bitcoin. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7ICbE )	[20:48]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogo_crate.jpg	[21:33]
asciilifeform	^ in today.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	there's no shortage of'em here.	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	Beautiful	[21:34]
asciilifeform	(ordered - tues.)	[21:34]
*	BingoBoingo spent some time today looking longingly looking at sun blade 150's (model I did not know existed or had forgotten about) on Ebay.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	lol, why?!	[21:37]
asciilifeform	though a 'sun ray' might make an interesting openbsd box	[21:38]
BingoBoingo	Does the sun ray have any compute power of its own? Blade 150 looked interesting because somewhat portable pizza box form, IDE drives, and good old VGA monitor hookups.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it has some ultra-miniature sparc iirc	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[21:39]
asciilifeform	tiny little thing	[21:39]
asciilifeform	sorta like a 'pogo'	[21:40]
asciilifeform	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Blade_(workstation)#/media/File:Sunblade1500.jpg << lol 'coke' machine	[21:40]
assbot	Sun Blade (workstation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/197UKTh )	[21:40]
BingoBoingo	Blade 150 seemed to offer some compute power while also offering more EM shielding than its Blade 100 bredecessor	[21:40]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I liked that form factor. Just looking at the models that slice a zero off of the model number atm.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the most 'shieldy' box i've ever personally owned was a hp 'visualize'	[21:41]
asciilifeform	http://karilavikka.fi/gfx/sekalaista_tauhkaa/hp/j5600/151_5183.JPG << not mine but very similar	[21:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/197V6sZ )	[21:42]
asciilifeform	emf mesh behind all openings	[21:42]
BingoBoingo	It's a beautiful thing	[21:42]
asciilifeform	everything, incl. mb, slid out on rails	[21:42]
asciilifeform	all or mostly all steel, mad-heavy	[21:42]
asciilifeform	the power supply also slid out	[21:42]
asciilifeform	(at one point had spare, old one - exploded capacitor, filled dorm floor with smoke)	[21:43]
asciilifeform	funny thing, it sat in my old flat for... 7 years, in the kitchen closet, filled with rat shit	[21:43]
asciilifeform	when moving last year - left it on the kerb. and someone picked it up...	[21:43]
BingoBoingo	I dunno what it is with your flavor of swamp and rats	[21:44]
asciilifeform	what, where BingoBoingo lives there are no rats ?	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	Maybe here there just isn't enough of a niche for them between mice and racoons	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Southern Illinois, about 30 miles east of East StL	[21:44]
asciilifeform	huge rats here, straight out of the ratfacecage scene in '1984'	[21:44]
asciilifeform	at night they walk, you can see'em	[21:45]
asciilifeform	incidentally i often wonder if the ratfacecage is still in fashion somewhere	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	I've only here ever seen rats purchased from petstore.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--x5WK3_Zo--/fzogcaspzsoynnfdqeg2.jpg	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	At night walking I see plenty of cats, coons, groundhogs, foxes, and coyotes. Haven't ever identified a rat	[21:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmg9d )	[21:46]
asciilifeform	^ from, i think, one of the film versions	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	I think I may have seen that version	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	We've also got fucktons of squirrels	[21:47]
asciilifeform	https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5924387/il_fullxfull.223598961.jpg	[21:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmwoE )	[21:47]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogo_crate.jpg << woah!	[21:47]
mod6	<+funkenstein_> i tested the 0.5.3 build on an old ubuntu box, built like a charm << nice! thanks for the info	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	Maybe here the rats know to stay in the farm fields, but... They don't seem endemic here like the mice do.	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	Mice plainly exist here get into the birdseed and shit all over the garage.	[21:48]
asciilifeform	l0l, looking for the r4tc4g3 found - http://www.protogermanic.com/2012/02/power-tends-to-corrupt-absolute-power.html	[21:48]
assbot	PROTO-GERMANIC & INDO-EUROPEAN STUDIES: "POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT & ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY" : THE US GOVERNMENT UNLAWFUL EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION LAWS WHERE OUR TRAITOROUS, WICKED CONGRESS (SAVE A FEW LIKE RON PAUL, AL FRANKEN, DENNIS KUCINICH) HAVE MADE THEMSELVES GODS OVER US. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmNbe )	[21:48]
asciilifeform	^ mega-lulzatron	[21:49]
cazalla	bloody mother in laws who give their daughters the idea that you need a new car simply because the old one is looking old (despite being fucking fine mechanically wise)	[21:55]
asciilifeform	waiwat	[21:55]
cazalla	hanbot, nope, she has a merc to drive around in, mcmansion etc (all paid for by the long dead but rich father in law mind you)	[21:57]
cazalla	if there is anything that gets my blood pressure sky rocketing, it's people tell me or someone close to me how i should spend money on useless shit	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Are they interested in purchasing the Saturn of Supremacy?	[21:58]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, god forbid she drive around in anything less than brand new!	[21:59]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: But battle tested.	[21:59]
asciilifeform	cazalla clearly has insufficient reputation for poverty	[21:59]
cazalla	asciilifeform, you have no idea i tells ya	[22:00]
asciilifeform	cultivate this reputation.	[22:01]
asciilifeform	it may well save your skin	[22:01]
BingoBoingo	This Saturn sedan has forded roads deeper than the floor of the passenger compartment, traveled to the other side of a divided freeway, and still burns fuel like a miser	[22:01]
asciilifeform	possibly the most dangerous animal to be in the lands of usg (and au, as i understand, is a kind of target practice range for usg idiocies) is the fella with just enough to be worth skinning, but three or four zeroes short of mircea_popescu-esque atomic dirigible where he can hit back	[22:02]
cazalla	even if bitcoin was 10k per, a brand new car is an extravagance i would not spring for	[22:02]
asciilifeform	*endangered animal	[22:02]
asciilifeform	(rather than dangerous)	[22:03]
BingoBoingo	Brand new car is the worst possible expense in the Anglophone world. Nearly half the sticker price goes straight to the fire.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	was about to say	[22:04]
asciilifeform	i'd rather fill a suitcase with benjies & publicly burn it	[22:04]
asciilifeform	than buy a new car	[22:04]
BingoBoingo	If it came to replacing my current vehicle I'd prolly start looking at used police crown vics	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	mod6 got tons more of thems.	[22:05]
BingoBoingo	Question: Is chav capitalized or not in proper usage?	[22:05]
asciilifeform	mod6 is passing'em out or running personally	[22:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82160 @ 0.00028555 = 23.4608 BTC [+]	[22:06]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if Big endian bitcoind will happen before all of the blockchain passes the 127 GB most interesting of such machines are limited to.	[22:08]
BingoBoingo	!up Luke-Jr How goes Big endian bitcoind	[22:08]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo is welcome to build it bigendian now	[22:08]
Luke-Jr	I believe it's merged.	[22:08]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I need working hardware. In the past I've treated such bexen as too disposable. Ingnored fans cries for help.	[22:09]
BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr: Cool.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: remember http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf ?	[22:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1980b4w )	[22:09]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'pogo' contains a switchable-endianness micro	[22:09]
BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr: Is this on pre or post leveldb?	[22:09]
cazalla	asciilifeform, my reputation for poverty IRL might not match with what goes on here simply because the one thing i will spend money on is food/drink.. every unit i've rented furnished with second hand goods, i've purchased clothing from the same places (mind you, have not purchased clothing in at least 2 years)	[22:10]
Luke-Jr	BingoBoingo: post of course. LevelDB is part of the Bitcoin consensus protocol now.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	how does a db end up thought of as part of the protocol ?	[22:10]
BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr: LevelDB bitcoin doesn't build on my favored *nix at all.	[22:10]
Luke-Jr	afaik only the guys here are trying to maintain any sort of pre-leveldb codebase now	[22:10]
Luke-Jr	BingoBoingo: no? :o	[22:11]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: it is necessarily	[22:11]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: but why does it matter on protocol level what kind of db is used locally ?	[22:11]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: I mean the consensus protocol	[22:11]
Luke-Jr	which is inherently defined by the code	[22:11]
BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr: OpenBSD. I had the choice of debugging a bunch of wank or reverting to 0.7.2 and hand patching.	[22:11]
Luke-Jr	if leveldb fails to insert a UTXO, then a transaction creating that UTXO is invalid by the consensus rules	[22:12]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: but why does it matter on protocol level what kind of db is used locally ?	[22:12]
Luke-Jr	BingoBoingo: ah, hm. I wonder how easily just adding some OpenBSD checks similar to the FreeBSD ones would go	[22:12]
BingoBoingo	Some people had built 0.9.x -sh on openbsd according to stories but no recipies were supplied	[22:12]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: consensus protocols are not like network protocols	[22:12]
asciilifeform	yes but why 'leveldb.' say i'd like to use a db which runs on a martian trinary computer and writes bits to miniature dead babies turned in one of two directions	[22:13]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: if it is not bug-for-bug compatible with LevelDB, someone can fork you off the network	[22:13]
asciilifeform	how does consensus care, so long as i answer queries in precisely same way as 'leveldb' user	[22:13]
BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr: Well for openbsd builds fired live the big change isn't db at all, but in wallet.cpp changing the random call to a better one (should not be necessary in -current or 5.7)	[22:13]
midnightmagic	NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now.	[22:13]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: if you emulate LevelDB perfectly, you are fine, correct	[22:13]
midnightmagic	Linux on PPC builds and syncs to head based on the bigendian patch. I have not verified it against a current git yet.	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic> NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now. << But so much memory unsafety	[22:14]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: can you give an example of a 'wedge' which could be pounded in to create this fork ?	[22:14]
midnightmagic	BingoBoingo: hm?	[22:14]
asciilifeform	there are still plenty of non-'leveldb' nodes operating	[22:14]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was the lock limit	[22:15]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: since fixed	[22:15]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: yes, but not without a fork	[22:15]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: know of another ?	[22:15]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic: Example of a NetBSD problem set. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd	[22:15]
assbot	invented by openbsd	[22:15]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: it's coincidence. if there is ever an insert which succeeds in leveldb but fails in bdb, those nodes will no longer be capable of sync'ing to head.	[22:15]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: if we knew about it, it wouldn't exist anymore ;)	[22:15]
Luke-Jr	a non-db example that we are currently getting rid of is the non-DER signatures	[22:16]
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Luke-Jr	that's a consensus rule based on old versions of OpenSSL code	[22:17]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: most those problems I've read so far are only problems if you let randos log in to your bitcoind box. I personally would not be interested in running a non-dedicated bitcoind box on any OS.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	^	[22:17]
asciilifeform	but midnightmagic is thinking of security, rather than forkholes	[22:18]
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asciilifeform	!up Luke-Jr	[22:19]
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Luke-Jr	"forkholes" are security relevant	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	a non-db example that we are currently getting rid of is the non-DER signatures << Has the problem of people creating such sigs really happened outside of the goxnode retardation beginning block 168001?	[22:19]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: if the usg charlatans want to create a fork with incompatible tx validation rules, they are welcome to.	[22:19]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: the thing I'd be more concerned about was the recent non-random random number generator they committed to released versions.	[22:19]
Luke-Jr	BingoBoingo: if someone wants to trick you into accepting an invalid block, they can use this to do so	[22:20]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: they dodged a bullet and nobody's called them on it	[22:20]
asciilifeform	midnightmagic: freebsd turned stool pigeon long ago	[22:20]
asciilifeform	midnightmagic: when it ditched gcc	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	^	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	The entire FreeBSD 10 series is a replay of the 5 series retardation on steroids	[22:20]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using the 0.5.3.1 fork.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: let's insert a link to the old thread here, so we don't have to repeat it.	[22:21]
BingoBoingo	^ Noone used Theos NetBSD fork in 1996	[22:21]
Luke-Jr	OSs are not a consensus system	[22:21]
midnightmagic	how is it a stool pigeon?	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic i don't think anyoine's using them anymore seriously.	[22:22]
midnightmagic	Also, I don't know much about FreeBSD except they caught their shitty /dev/random mistake before it was released to production	[22:22]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985417 << that one	[22:22]
assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 03:29:14; mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr	[22:22]
asciilifeform	midnightmagic: it -was- released to production	[22:22]
asciilifeform	plenty of folks run -CURRENT	[22:22]
asciilifeform	i had a box with it, for instance	[22:22]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: it was released to -current, running -current is explicitly disclaimed.	[22:23]
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BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr> OSs are not a consensus system << No but every OS fork is a far less grave experiment actual onsensus systems must consider	[22:23]
midnightmagic	yeah, I run -current on NetBSD occasionally too..	[22:23]
midnightmagic	:-(	[22:23]
asciilifeform	folks doing dev work of one kind or another - run 'current'	[22:23]
asciilifeform	whether like it or not.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058571 << what the fuck % packaging is that ?	[22:24]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 00:29:13; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pogo_crate.jpg	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	the actual unit is tiny, makes the crate look like it's 60% packaging	[22:24]
midnightmagic	yeah, kernel devs. In context, running bitcoind on -current, probably not a great idea given extensive -current history of breakage	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's mostly cardboard, as you can tell	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i don't intend to bring the cardboard	[22:24]
midnightmagic	like the really unfortunate backout of the M:N threading model on NetBSD. that was a sad time.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	threading works on netbsd ?	[22:25]
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asciilifeform	threading works on any posix	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	i tyhought they were stuggling with getting it to work.	[22:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99387 @ 0.00029365 = 29.185 BTC [+] {2}	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	musta misread.	[22:26]
*	asciilifeform shudders to imagine a unixlike os where threading flakes	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	bsd is bsdlike neh ?	[22:26]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: M:N threading was a solaris-like, more-performant-than N:N threading model that nate committed to netbsd, but due to its complexity had to be backed out because nobody could maintain it or reliably fix bugs in it.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:27]
asciilifeform	https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/share/misc/bsd-family-tree?view=markup	[22:27]
midnightmagic	idea was, only spawn additional kernel threads to service user threads where it was absolutely necessary	[22:27]
assbot	[base] Contents of /head/share/misc/bsd-family-tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1xkJqyR )	[22:27]
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midnightmagic	breakfast-time, sorry to derail convo	[22:27]
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*	BingoBoingo really dislikes the way leveldb handles memory.	[22:30]
*	BingoBoingo would rather not have to run a Bitcoind in -leper mode if he gets more powerful sparc hardware	[22:30]
asciilifeform	the 'bug for bug' thing is set to be an actual problem in the future.	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	It is, just like in TeX but more urgent	[22:31]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034831	[22:31]
assbot	Logged on 26-02-2015 21:24:28; mircea_popescu: you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	^ that thread.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[22:31]
Luke-Jr	well, LevelDB is being excluded from libbitcoinconsensus at least	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	only way to manage it i can think of at the moment is disallowing the power ranger imbeciles from further commits	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	this having already been done... we'll have to figure something out.	[22:32]
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Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: bug-for-bug is okay if all consensus code is kept carefully audited	[22:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i dare say i did figure out. but not enough hands here.	[22:32]
Luke-Jr	ignoring CPU issues..	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	no rush anyway.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: try to understand the actual scope of such an audit	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	At the time of the 2013 fork I humbly though resolution would be possible. I mean it is just making DB's agree. Yet... LevelDB is a mess.	[22:33]
asciilifeform	should be enough to make your stomach do pirouettes	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058647 <>< not.	[22:33]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 01:01:13; BingoBoingo: Question: Is chav capitalized or not in proper usage?	[22:33]
asciilifeform	i thought it was 'chavv'	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: K, working on that UK piece	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Nah, it is one syllible	[22:34]
asciilifeform	do we even get a 'vv' in engl. and if so, what human sound does it correspond to	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058662 << lol best not ask.	[22:35]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:01; asciilifeform: how does a db end up thought of as part of the protocol ?	[22:35]
asciilifeform	i can picture how	[22:35]
asciilifeform	but was hoping the answer is something else	[22:35]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You don't ger such sound it corresponds to choking on saliva	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	through a bunch of ignorant twerps using words they don't understand the meaning of, in the context of their self-allocated importance ?	[22:35]
asciilifeform	aha how else	[22:35]
*	asciilifeform has understood that there is not an else	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure it'll do just as well as all preivious rehashes of this process.	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	Anyone have a link for britania's private key siezure turding?	[22:36]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: there was one in here around 12 hrs ago	[22:36]
*	BingoBoingo is atm only on the fall of the empire	[22:36]
Luke-Jr	asciilifeform: you audit only the changes	[22:38]
BingoBoingo	thx	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058664 << contrary to what you might have erroneously come to believe a) 0.5.1 version as printed by the bitcoin foundation is the cannonical version of bitcoin ; b) various groups of scammers trying to attack bitcoin are continuously pushing their own versions of solidcoin, which has all the importance of ms boring's bitcoin chamber of commerce.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: the changes being contemplated involve losing 100% of the original	[22:38]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:17; Luke-Jr: afaik only the guys here are trying to maintain any sort of pre-leveldb codebase now	[22:38]
Luke-Jr	it's managable with a single implementation	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	"only audit the changes" ?	[22:38]
asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: in the old thread, that is; it was about a hypothetical clean re-implementation of the whole thing	[22:39]
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asciilifeform	Luke-Jr: and there mircea_popescu observed that such a thing would have to come with a strong proof of equivalence to be worth taking seriously	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	where does all this braindamage stem from, seriously. what's the difference between an "only audit the changes auditing process" and dead reckoning ?	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	!up brendafdez	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	every time you change anything you're stuck auditing the whole thing you changed./	[22:40]
asciilifeform	^	[22:40]
asciilifeform	what kind of dope does one need to take to even imagine otherwise ?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	same dope that they weren't smart tosling in the first place.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	but apparently this dope is being passed out, because i routinely run into folks who have this kind of mental bug	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	ended up eating it.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1043874	[22:41]
assbot	Logged on 06-03-2015 02:28:39; asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058668 << gotta admire the insistence on branding. here's a thought : gavin's neck was broken in public. you don't come out of that by inventing a new word to try and rally support around.	[22:42]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:49; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I mean the consensus protocol	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	you don't have support, principally because you were not good enough, and failed to grasp this in time.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	for a corpse, he's doing a good deal of dancing.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	not my fault usg is into necrophillia.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	but in his defense, pretty much his entire career consists of party entertainment in costume, so...	[22:42]
asciilifeform	pyronecrocryptozoophilia.	[22:42]
thestringpuller	lol cryptophilia	[22:44]
asciilifeform	'consensus' is a beloved usg-ism >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2014#926290	[22:45]
assbot	Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'	[22:45]
brendafdez	i thought you may want ot have a laugh and it seems it wasn't shared here yet: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/18/want_to_dodge_nsa_supply_chain_taps_ask_cisco_for_a_dead_drop/	[22:45]
assbot	Cisco posts kit to empty houses to dodge NSA chop shops • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18NafQH )	[22:45]
brendafdez	"	[22:45]
brendafdez	Cisco has poked around its routers for possible spy chips, but to date has not found anything because it necessarily does not know what NSA taps may look like, according to Stewart." :D	[22:45]
asciilifeform	what a muppet show	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	anyway, for the sake of historical accuracy, re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058687 : bitcoin STILL USES the bdb protocol.	[22:45]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 01:10:30; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was the lock limit	[22:45]
asciilifeform	'spy chips'	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	leveldb has mostly been beaten into submission to it.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	but the first time it didn't submit its chain was abandoned	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	and the second time it won't, if that happens, its chain will be also abandoned.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	i can see why the gavin troop would like the defense of "we have already moved the protocol once" to rely on, but it's simply not true.	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	brendafdez: With Cisco the NSA spying likely begins on the main silicon out of the factory	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't ask cisco for their own heads on a platter.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	begins with every fart of the program design and ends with the crate which is opened yet again for good measure	[22:47]
asciilifeform	simply to be loudly found out and distract from above.	[22:48]
brendafdez	Don't be so mean, they are busy looking for the spy chips	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	im kinda surprised cisco still pretends to be in business	[22:48]
asciilifeform	and for the wreckerz	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how about that one! they've not sold anything to anyone since last year. and yet...	[22:48]
asciilifeform	for the враги народа	[22:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they sell to the usual captive audience, that suffices	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	right right.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	plus the consumer crud (linksys) they bought out	[22:48]
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BingoBoingo	brendafdez: Spy chips are what keep Cisco in business	[22:49]
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asciilifeform	!up Luke-Jr	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058711 << lmao. newer versions are forks, yo. that's the definition of the words.	[22:51]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 01:16:20; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using the 0.5.3.1 fork.	[22:51]
brendafdez	Oh, that's sad, I though I knew eho they'd just hired to look for them. "Yeah I suppose the sad story in here is that if you show supposedly literate teenagers the insides of a USB stick they may be seeing it for the first time, and if you demand they point out the actual memory cores to save their lives they may well not be able to." http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#comment-95546	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	and no, bitcoin's rules are not defined by "what people use".	[22:52]
assbot	How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18NbTBW )	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	if that were the actual criteria, then "bitcoin" would be green and printed on paper.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	cotton paper, to be exact.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	!b 3	[22:52]
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mircea_popescu	the bitcoin rules are defined by what important people use, and as it happens gavin & co are unimportant.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	to no-one's surprise except i guess a coupla code monkeys here and there who really bought the "doocracy" koolaid.	[22:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146300 @ 0.00029711 = 43.4672 BTC [+] {3}	[22:58]
asciilifeform	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/26/feature_zayo_fibre_network_in_london_sewers << vintage but stimulating	[22:59]
assbot	Dark Fibre: Reg man plunges into London's sewers to see how pipe is laid • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18Ndjw9 )	[22:59]
*	asciilifeform likes the term 'brown fiber' used in this article, wonders if actual extant term of art or neologism	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	prolly what the crews called it since forever.	[23:00]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> mod6 got tons more of thems. << hmm?	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	pogos.	[23:01]
mod6	ahh.	[23:01]
mod6	yeah, gotta get me one and try it out	[23:01]
asciilifeform	'you’re not going to find a cable poking up in the loo of a data centre when it reaches its destination.' << at one point there was a vendor who pushed a 'robotic rat' for doing precisely this	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	mod6 definitely.	[23:01]
mod6	maybe i'll order one this coming week	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	especially seeing how the ~60 or so nodes left running are really not enough for 2012.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	and speakin' o travel, http://41.media.tumblr.com/7c1f649d6b585953dc5e85ea0a3f37ce/tumblr_mwelg6qym41s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg	[23:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DDyRc5 )	[23:06]
BingoBoingo	I wish Scotland would have seceeded so I could justify writing "Lower Britain" more often	[23:10]
*	assbot removes voice from brendafdez	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	!up brendafdez	[23:11]
*	assbot gives voice to brendafdez	[23:11]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[23:15]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 262.96, Best ask: 263.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 263.0, 24 hour volume: 67036.12085919, 24 hour low: 250.33, 24 hour high: 269.5, 24 hour vwap: None	[23:15]
*	grubles_ (~grubles_@unaffiliated/grubles) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243205 @ 0.00030067 = 73.1244 BTC [+] {4}	[23:16]
*	assbot removes voice from Luke-Jr	[23:20]
*	n3xtb1gthng (~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:20]
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danielpbarron	why does gribble's vwap go away whenever there's the slightest volatility? and why does the vwap work if you get a quote in terms of ounces of gold?	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	!uo n3xtb1gthng	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	!up decimation	[23:20]
*	assbot gives voice to decimation	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Because it moved from deadstamp to buttfines	[23:21]
*	assbot gives voice to decimation	[23:21]
danielpbarron	it did it on buttstamp too	[23:21]
*	BingoBoingo inquires if there are any good proofreaders active atm that could serve the qntra	[23:21]
danielpbarron	i am	[23:21]
decimation	lol 'consensus rules'	[23:21]
BingoBoingo	!up n3xtb1gthng	[23:22]
*	assbot gives voice to n3xtb1gthng	[23:22]
n3xtb1gthng	thanks BingoBoingo	[23:22]
n3xtb1gthng	what's new guys?	[23:23]
mod6	<+Luke-Jr> asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using the 0.5.3.1 fork. << not true. i'm using it.	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	n3xtb1gthng: Well, a bitcoind build that is bigendian friendly for PPC, SPARC, and 68000 would be the tits	[23:25]
n3xtb1gthng	do those arcs run bitcoin today? (standard bitcoin)	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	!up nubbins`	[23:27]
*	assbot gives voice to nubbins`	[23:27]
*	assbot gives voice to nubbins`	[23:27]
nubbins`	ty	[23:27]
mod6	!up Luke-Jr	[23:28]
*	assbot gives voice to Luke-Jr	[23:28]
Luke-Jr	mod6: on what listening IP?	[23:29]
mod6	a routable one :)	[23:29]
*	assbot gives voice to PeterL	[23:29]
Luke-Jr	I'd like to investigate why my crawler isn't picking it up	[23:29]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/3W20RWJ	[23:30]
assbot	dpaste: 3W20RWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8h5Hg )	[23:30]
Luke-Jr	8 connections generally means not listening	[23:30]
mod6	o.O how is it syncing blocks then?	[23:31]
Luke-Jr	outbound connections	[23:31]
mod6	tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8333 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN	[23:32]
Luke-Jr	…	[23:32]
Luke-Jr	0.0.0.0 is not routable, so this tells me nothing.	[23:32]
brendafdez	BingoBoingo I'm available, too. Not sure about the 'good' part, though.	[23:32]
mod6	hmm. derp.	[23:33]
*	CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)	[23:33]
mod6	one sec.	[23:33]
danielpbarron	is bitcoind still giving out version numbers to other nodes?	[23:35]
Luke-Jr	danielpbarron: of course	[23:35]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 143.1676222 BTC. Current weight: 47,015.	[23:35]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 103.31517126 BTC. Current weight: 88,245.	[23:35]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 143.1676222 BTC. Current weight: 47,015.	[23:35]
n3xtb1gthng	is there a philosophical reaosn you don't build some level of seigniorage into bitcoin? (as some alt's have)?	[23:36]
n3xtb1gthng	seigniorage would incentivize spending and usage/adoption. (even at a very moderate leve.)	[23:36]
danielpbarron	n3xtb1gthng, that is the kind of thing bitcoin has come to destroy	[23:37]
Luke-Jr	n3xtb1gthng: in what sense? it costs more to mine bitcoins than you get already	[23:37]
danielpbarron	arguably, bitcoin is doing that thought, as it only costs what? 150 USD worth of electricty to mine 1 bitcoin which should be worth millions of USD	[23:38]
n3xtb1gthng	Luke-Jr, I mean if there is a nominal inflation that is automatic (beyond the very low percentage caused by mining) that would incentivize spending, and since people want to spend it, adoption (people will accept it).	[23:39]
danielpbarron	and why would we want to incentivize spending?? doesn't that goal contradict "mass adoption" ?	[23:39]
n3xtb1gthng	I mean a low percentage of seigniorage, not like 10% inflation or anything.	[23:39]
danielpbarron	"hey you! adopt this! ok now spend it! get rid of it! quick!"	[23:39]
n3xtb1gthng	danielpbarron, ?? spending = mass adoption	[23:39]
n3xtb1gthng	danielpbarron, I'm totally unclear. spending literally == (=========) adoption, when it comes to a currency?	[23:40]
danielpbarron	bitcoin is currently inflating	[23:40]
Luke-Jr	n3xtb1gthng: such a thing would violate the social contract; altcoins don't have a preexisting social contract to adhere to	[23:40]
mod6	goddamnit im retarded	[23:40]
n3xtb1gthng	danielpbarron, it's losing value, not inflaitng.	[23:40]
danielpbarron	n3xtb1gthng, spending is literally the opposite of adopting as you are necessarily getting rid of the thing you are spending	[23:40]
PeterL	saving == adoption	[23:40]
danielpbarron	n3xtb1gthng, 3.6k bitcoin are created daily	[23:40]
trinque	Luke-Jr: what "social contract" does bitcoin have?	[23:40]
n3xtb1gthng	danielpbarron, I disagree. if twenty people are trading seashells at a rate of twenty trades happen per day, that is high adotpion. at the rate of 1 seashell gets traded per year, that is low adotpion. adoption = spending.	[23:41]
*	assbot removes voice from brendafdez	[23:41]
danielpbarron	n3xtb1gthng, what altcoin are you here to pump?	[23:41]
n3xtb1gthng	none	[23:41]
cazalla	oh look n3xtb1gthng is yet another person suggesting i spend my money, gtfo	[23:41]
n3xtb1gthng	cazalla you can both spend money and get money? The definition of a 'currency' is just a unit you do this in?	[23:42]
*	assbot gives voice to brendafdez	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	is there a philosophical reaosn you don't build some level of seigniorage into bitcoin? (as some alt's have)? << about the same sort of philosophical reason as not building a tail into you.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	like some other monkeys have done.	[23:42]
n3xtb1gthng	cazalla - I mean if you didn't want the possibility of spending it, how is it even money? It's only money because you know people will accept it :) :) And that comes from the fact that they accept everyone else's - i.e. high adoption.	[23:42]
PeterL	trinque: the "social contract" of bitcoin is the "spec" as laid out by satoshi in the white paper	[23:42]
trinque	PeterL: I was looking for a definition of the phrase	[23:43]
n3xtb1gthng	If someone isn't receiving hundreds of bitcoins per day from any other source, how do you know they will accept yours? And if you don't know they will accept yours, how do you know that you hold money? adoption = acceptance and usage	[23:43]
brendafdez	if there is a nominal inflation that is automatic (beyond the very low percentage caused by mining) that would incentivize spending, and since people want to spend it, adoption (people will accept it). << sounds like keynesian braindamage	[23:43]
cazalla	n3xtb1gthng, if people willingly accept my worthless dollars, i would be foolish to give them something of actual value eh	[23:43]
brendafdez	If that was a feature, we'd be using Freicoin	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	!down n3xtb1gthng	[23:44]
*	assbot removes voice from n3xtb1gthng	[23:44]
cazalla	anyway i don't need this aggravation, had enough of it today	[23:44]
danielpbarron	n3xtb1gthng, as long as MPEx accepts my coin I'm alright with it	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	srsly, random shitheads know what things are now. what is this, the future ?	[23:44]
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mircea_popescu	...	[23:45]
*	PeterL has quit (Quit: PeterL)	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	Jun 07 17:31:33 * ninjashogun (~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	interestingly enough, all the idiots are the same one idiot.	[23:45]
cazalla	lol	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck does this work.	[23:45]
trinque	hungary for attention?	[23:46]
mod6	Luke-Jr: anyway, im trying to listen on -port=8333 but i think aws is doing something funny.	[23:46]
*	brendafdez fucked it, I thought it was Luke-Jr saying that shit.	[23:47]
Luke-Jr	mod6: IIRC AWS has some kind of firewall by default	[23:47]
trinque	Luke-Jr: yep, gotta enable things in the security group	[23:47]
Luke-Jr	anyhow, wife demands me in bed, so ttyl	[23:48]
decimation	mod6: you gotta turn off the firewall in aws/ec2	[23:49]
decimation	for every port of interest	[23:50]
trinque	mod6: note you can open it only for another security group	[23:50]
decimation	look under the 'security groups' column in your instance	[23:50]
decimation	imma compiling aws now too	[23:50]
trinque	that's convenient if you're going ec2 -> ec2	[23:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i instantly knew who it was	[23:51]
*	mod6 hangs head	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[23:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: needed his nick plus perhaps 3 words out of his idiot mouth	[23:51]
asciilifeform	(mr spam!)	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << gotta say, nice of all teh peeps sending donations	[23:52]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1B8lHwQ )	[23:52]
mod6	i think that's mostly my testing + taxation	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	you sent teh .1337 ?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	neways, five cents here, a cent there etc	[23:55]
mod6	yeah, and .01337498 and a bunch of other small amounts	[23:55]
mod6	yeah. its cool tho	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah he was ringing my markov model too	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	but this is a totally new topic ?	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	markov how, all the dude was talking about before were genius biznis ideas and stuff.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	his new nick alone was a loud, profane fart in that direction	[23:58]
*	assbot removes voice from Luke-Jr	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058937 << rousseauism, when confronted with "well if the state isn't god's successor, why would anyone listen to it" he came up with a weirdo translation of god in burgeois terms.	[23:58]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2015 02:38:35; trinque: PeterL: I was looking for a definition of the phrase	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	god isn't the first warrior anymore, which all other warriors owe fealty too, god is now the first contract which all contracts are derived fro	[23:59]
trinque	mircea_popescu: sounded like a nothing term to me, meaning "accept that this is so"	[23:59]
trinque	yeah	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	nonsense through and through, but whadda ya want, encyclopedists, ie transhumanists v1.0	[23:59]

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