Forum logs for 15 Jun 2018
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced that 'purposeful newton' is artifact of socialist schooling meatsacks without the exploratory instinct the gods gave dog, cat, rat, are doomed to believe in some variant of this | [08:58] |
| deedbot: | http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Manifest File | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ | [09:10] |
| asciilifeform: | funnily enuff, seems like the earliest vtree to include manifest was : FG -- http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg | [09:33] |
| asciilifeform: | ( admittedly, small ) | [09:34] |
| mod6: | mornin' | [10:22] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai mod6 | [10:27] |
| mod6: | how goes today asciilifeform ? | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform: | slowly. | [10:29] |
| mod6: | yeah, same. need a coffee. | [10:30] |
| asciilifeform: | dun in the literature last night re chip 'glitching' . for some reason everybody, to date, focuses on glitching ~specific~ instruction, rather than scrambling sram bluntly. ( to be fair, the blunt approach is only of any conceivable use if you can pre-emplace the nop slide, as is apparently possible on cr50 ) state of the open lit art seems to be the 'xbox 360' pill demonstrated in 2015 | [10:40] |
| asciilifeform: | *dug in | [10:41] |
| asciilifeform: | focused emp , apparently , is a pretty good glitching method, but needs somewhat complicated instrument | [10:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and the line between glitch and magicsmokerelease, is thin ) | [10:43] |
| asciilifeform: | can also glitch by manipulating clock, but it is not presently known whether cr50 has external clocking ( my current understanding is that it does not, but has internal oscillator ) | [10:43] |
| asciilifeform: | https://archive.li/uGNyx << a likbez re the latter . | [10:44] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s metastable | [10:45] |
| a111: | 10 results for "metastable", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metastable | [10:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ see also | [10:45] |
| asciilifeform: | state of art afaik re emp probe , https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot17/woot17-paper-cui.pdf ( sorry , pdf ) | [10:50] |
| asciilifeform: | once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 ) | [10:52] |
| asciilifeform: | but hands , sadly , currently full | [10:52] |
| asciilifeform: | ideal apparatus would be something like the multi-coil rig used for noninvasive brain diddling experiments | [10:57] |
| asciilifeform: | this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target ) | [11:00] |
| asciilifeform: | for cr50 in particular, a continuous (e.g. xray) rather than intermittent (emp shooter) glitcher might be preferable, as the thing has a convenient unlock command that you can fire via the uart continuously, then , theoretically, irradiate until it happens to skip the right instruction | [11:04] |
| asciilifeform: | (i.e. it is not in fact necessary to glitch the rsa check, but would entirely suffice to glitch the unlock command conditional jump) | [11:05] |
| mod6: | Interesting paper there. | [11:15] |
| mod6: | and interesting use of 3d printer :D | [11:16] |
| asciilifeform: | any x-y positioning system would do, really | [11:16] |
| mod6: | pretty neat | [11:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ( even the hand-cranked one asciilifeform uses, with wheels ) | [11:16] |
| BingoBoingo: | Next Uruguay game is Wednesday at noon. I suspect nothing is happening in this country that day. Opponent is Saudi Arabia, the worst team in the tournament. | [11:38] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ << Qntra - British Court Places Rappers Under Musical Court Supervision For 3 Years | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, no part of the empire is ~deliberate~. socialism, pantsuitism, inca, et all are the unexcited level of gray matter. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not like someone on mars sat around thinking "hey, how do we fuck up earthnling's world ???". | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: tumour mass yea | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's simply what dumb people do. they come up with "we're all equal" and "it's the universe, man" and listening to the worst part of female nature and pretend there's nothing else on their fucking own. | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | just like all mongoloid produces some version of ooga booga, exactly so all retarded girly produces some version of "it's inappropriate to go about naked and suck cock" and every idiot comes up with "social security". | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's ~exactly~ the same way every hunk of metal "comes up" with "being cold to the touch" | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | physical property of matter at rest. | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | and this is why i say things like http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-10-jun-2018#2446703 all crumble before it because the alternative is dust at rest on the surface of the moon. | [11:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 18:58 mircea_popescu: so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | this isn't some kind of encounter like between german socialism, american socialism and russian socialism, who oh who will win in the end ? (because we know as a matter of necessity that two will ally against one, crush it, then once that's done a) import everything and b) go at each other). | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is an encounter like between newton and his servant who didn't want to clean boots. newton OWNS his servant, as any other object. what battle ? | [12:00] |
| asciilifeform: | somehow today there's 0 newtons but whole buncha useless bootblacks tho | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | "somehow" | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 | [12:04] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren't you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch." | [12:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | someone asked gorgo once, "how come we all have to sit on pikes as long as the car ?" and gorgo once answered : Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου | [12:06] |
| asciilifeform: | if 'owns' were sufficient, the 'newtons' would not have succumbed, neh. evidently gotta also maintain the sharpened pikes in plain view | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | not fucking so. | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | newtons succumbed because overcheap overabundant food. | [12:06] |
| asciilifeform: | + sewers ? | [12:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | etc. | [12:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | "it's easy now". | [12:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit, google thinks motto is /ˈmädō/ | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | motherfucker on a stick, what is wrongggggg with these idiots. | [12:08] |
| asciilifeform: | lolwaat | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's /mɒ`təʊ/, to not leave it in mystery. for one fucking thing, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS /ō/ in english. nor, for that matter, ä. | [12:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | the english vowels are /æ/ /ɑ/ /ɒ/ /ɑː/ /ɔ/ /ɔː/ /ɪ/ /e/ /ɛ/ /ʌ/ /ʊ/ and that's fucking IT. | [12:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | not like a dozen isn't plenty, in any case. | [12:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825649 << not even a bad idea. | [12:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 14:52 asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 ) | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825652 << well, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824343 so "soon" (tm) | [12:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 15:00 asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target ) | [12:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-12 21:30 cnomad: floating an idea... do you folks have a batch of cr50s around that you might be willing to ship? | [12:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao BingoBoingo! "The five young men have been ordered to inform police every time they release new music," << anyone recall ye olde soviet struggles with "rock music" ? | [12:19] |
| BingoBoingo: | AHA | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i'ma try it, die shot or none | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wasn't proposing you wait on rando. | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | worst thing , i nuke a board or 2. | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | 'go to war with army you have, not army you wish you had'(tm)(r)(bush II) | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm merely populating the list of answers for the inevitable later "shocked inquiries" of "wut did i do ?!?!?!" | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, there's such a thing as "bitcoinbrat" on fetlife. | [12:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | spoiler : dumbass negress, thinks she's cool. "About me: your Goddess, your Princess, your Queen, your World, your Sole Life Purpose" etc. | [12:24] |
| asciilifeform: | was there a form for sending in cock cage measurements ? | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://paypal.me/bitcoinbrat << begging link | [12:25] |
| mod6: | lol | [12:25] |
| asciilifeform: | prolly paypal api gives one | [12:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | ugly hambeast, too. | [12:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: does it ever happen that ~nonugly~ nonhambeast demands 'your queen' and cage measurement , or is the linkage unbroken | [12:26] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: 'sov struggle with rock music' is a massive reservoir of lulz largely even to this day untapped by entomologists. ( they tried something like a conditional surrender ) | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | surely happens. most of them post elaborately framed pics and herp derp about tru feelings and other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_Uj0un-Ks bs. | [12:29] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect the brits will replay it soon enuff, holding e.g. Officially Blessed concerts by Officially Tame jihadi singers etc | [12:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | and speaking of the "twu wuv" bullshit : me opened yesterday http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22642/pg22642-images.html on the very strong recommendation that d'annunzio actually is the dood mussolini copied, so as to give hitler a model of cool ~he~ could in turn copy. it's the original duce (of fiume), and really, the inventor of the whole personal-martial cool in degenerate euros. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you know what the fuck the whole thing's all about ? | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's about how he had two women and never ordered them to eat each other out. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | PILES of pantsuit idiocy EVERYWHERE. | [12:30] |
| * asciilifeform | not familiar | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | a really ? how about the raid on vienna ? | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | (dood flew over vienna in ww1, dropped leaflets) | [12:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | So many pantsuitist comparisons of Jihadi rap to US gangsta rap except... when the prototypical US ganster rappers NWA released "Straight out of compton" compton was majority black. Between then and now the hispanics ethnically cleansed Compton of black people. | [12:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. fiume, now in yugoshitia or something like that, was an italian colony that briefly went to war with usg's invented "italy" over this wholly own washington subsidiary not accepting their union. | [12:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | (pro tip : current "italy" is essentially the western sponsored invasion by the savoyards. about as italian as the mexican government of texas is truly canadian.) | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | unlike which other current eu 'country' ? | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm... pretty much all of them ? this is the stuff of the 1100s in other parts of the world. | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | king of sardinia unifies italy, rly ? gimme a lulzbreak. | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | re vienna -- i've yet to read an airdropped leaflet that didn't have same flavour of 'author must be doing strong dope' | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( ever see the japanese ones ? ) | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, http://static1.habsburger.net/files/styles/large/public/originale/.importupload_mutschlechner_3dannunzio.jpg?itok=DMU-Nw8D | [12:36] |
| asciilifeform: | ya they all say ~same thing, 'this could have been bomb! bow to $nigerianprince !' | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | "to your blind headstrong government" etc. | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | "their victory is like ukrainian bread, you die waiting" seems an apt turn of phrase. | [12:37] |
| asciilifeform: | german leflets made primo toilet paper, according to folx in the know. | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | this sort of very cheap and therefore very dumb "courage" is exactly why you can't simply tell idiots to desist, but gotta first crack their heads. | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, german makes great tp hurr durr aren't i socially signalling". | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | it didn't came so far to it making great cumrags. | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | 0 courage involved, not so many su grunts could read de | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, i thought this was re london. | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | aa no | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao they seriously overflew russian villages ? | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200 | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | , http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?199 , etc | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | not villages, lol. positions. | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | ( speaking here of the 2nd war ) | [12:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect that was mostly to annoy the commisars. | [12:42] |
| asciilifeform: | 'leaflet war' is pretty dumb, imho, idea the closest thing to successful tack was jp's, with the radio that played 90+% ameri-jazz and 10% 'your wife is getting waltzed' | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep, that's definitely how you do it. | [12:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | directed porn, etc. | [12:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | exactly how all propaganda works, neh, they advertise cans to the washing machine while she watches tv instead of cooking. | [12:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | not as a matter of preference, but as a matter of necessity, "i can't not buy their junk because that'd mean not sitting here" | [12:44] |
| asciilifeform: | there's a crackpot theory that today's usa 'radio hobbyists' descend from usa troops in jp front ( and later korea ) building illicit radio sets to pick up jazz+wife broadcast | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can see it. | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem is, the japanese didn't understand that the americans ~would prefer~ someone else fucking their wife while they play with the radio set. hence all the "airman's clubs" of putting house keys on coffee tablew and praying wife ends up with another's. | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is always the problem with propaganda : ~because~ the propagandist wants, ~therefore~ the propagandist misunderstands. | [12:47] |
| * asciilifeform | surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc | [12:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's an ancient german kiddie book i got as a kid, and it is 100% the story of propaganda. | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | lol was it max and morris ? | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | it had a story of a hedghehog on whose birthday all other animals brought gifts | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the lion brought a hunk of meat... the hippo a tub of dirt.... | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaa ! i remember that one | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | you do ?! | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf was it called ? | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | yes ! tho can't recall where ! | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | but definitely had it. | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly it's a riff on aesop | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | humph. i've been trying for years to recall which the fuck it was. | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | certainly. but very modernist illustration if memory serves. | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, just because the japs' would have cut their own appendix out before permitting such a thing didn't mean the americans weren't vaguely excited and generally happy about the idea some other doods fucking the wives | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | (now tell me : why weren't blacks permitted in the service ???) | [12:50] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc they had a black corps | [12:54] |
| asciilifeform: | used sorta like a штрафбат | [12:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, but had to be kept out of sight of the people sitting in trenches pillboxes etc dreaming about how big alien cock is holding mary sue five feet high in the air while reorganizing her viscerae. | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, "tentacle porn" consumers, possibly just as much "descend from usa troops in jp front". | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | the ustardian view of females and male sexuality is not a free idiocy. it costs. this is what it costs -- all sex is inhabituation and if you insist on inhabituating boys with anything other than joyous and readily offered female sexual service, as was the norm in europe, you get tentacles and racism and whatnot. | [13:04] |
| asciilifeform: | that, or goat fucking, but it aint as if city bois had access to goats | [13:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | for some reason abram gannibal didn't have to be explained quite to the degree obama had to. i wonder why, and especially curious as to any explanations besides http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729826 | [13:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-27 17:57 mircea_popescu: "Итак, тебе не заплачу я: Но если ты простая блядь, То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!" is not some kind of fucking joke. | [13:06] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825742 << that's beautiful, ought to be distributed in major american cities | [13:22] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 16:40 asciilifeform: they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200 | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ? | [13:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ? | [13:23] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything | [13:26] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 13:10 diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf but it can continue thenceforth correctly can it ? | [13:26] |
| phf: | yes! hence "novel" | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | seemed to me the implicit "how to update projects w/o regrinding them" | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform if not know d'annunzio, also not know rop ? | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | rops* | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://i-exc.ccm2.net/iex/1280/1124813875/1588098.jpg etc | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2015/10/6/6/8/0/680c8ac4-6c0c-11e5-8255-f5c8c939fd32.jpg | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Perchè l'uomo ha nella sua natura questa orribile facoltà di godere con maggiore acutezza quando è consapevole di nuocere alla creatura da cui prende il godimento? Perchè un germe della tanto esecrata perversione sàdica è in ciascun uomo che ama e che desidera?" | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy hell i can't read this inanity. | [13:33] |
| deedbot: | http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/15/the-most-patriotic-i-have-ever-seen-the-uruguayos/ << Bingo Blog - The Most Patriotic I Have Ever Seen The Uruguayos | [14:25] |
| diana_coman: | phf, well, it brings an existing project to the point from where it can be further changed/developed correctly with respect to the past it makes now explicit the intended order (which existed anyway but was previously less strictly enforced meaning on branches and when those are brought together only) | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825782 << seems to me that d00d got stuck in some sorta infinite loop | [14:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 17:23 mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ? | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ( hey douchebag ! ^C^C^C^C^C^C !1111 ) | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibru | [15:00] |
| asciilifeform: | whoknows maybe he wakes up before he ends up ^D 'd | [15:00] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: i got a feeling pay for your tits ruined him in a sense that he got micro optimized for hustle (which seems like it was his default mode to begin with). the only time he popped up since was when you proposed a 1btc for H1 crack | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | why that and not say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798263 ? | [15:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him | [15:36] |
| phf: | ahaha, i missed that. well, that's certainly a higher probability take | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but that leaves us unfettered to take on your unfactual feeling. why oh why, my dear phf, would you get such feelings ? hm ? HMMMM ? | [15:48] |
| asciilifeform: | witness the 'mysterious' lack of randos logging in and 'hey i heard something about btc, i can build an emp rig!11' etc | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ? | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | or lose steam | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | *lost | [15:50] |
| * mircea_popescu | 'd have made a great ximenez | [15:51] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825804 << lol wasn't that one of the man's own sybilmuppets ? | [15:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 19:36 a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know, contrary to your interpretation, i'm persuaded it was mostly actual orcs. | [15:57] |
| asciilifeform: | out of curiosity, why ? | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't know how to answer that question. | [15:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | for instance, do you think the deluge of fet girls is me talking to myself ? | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform's ( imho parsimonious ) model is that not 1 of the camgurlz touched irc , they got 5 $ or whatever for order of 'write these letters on yer tits' and douchebag worked the rest | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i'm persuaded that yours exist ( mircea_popescu is not in the habit of making ??? up from 0 , and did post his spamatron src and overall methodology ) | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | but... same parsimonious model is parsimonious in the same way for the same reasons ? | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | so there you go. "why! because i follow the clues offered / the story seems credible enough" | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a difference, of course, between "why would you" (ie, an in general discussion) and "why would i" which is much more speciffic and narrower. you were asking why-the-former, yes ? | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i also don't think you're going on random luser routers and load webirc to then up youself, disconnect and get aggitated. why not ? "parsimonious" etc. | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | you realise this, yes, it's not just http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ or http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ nor does it stop there. if we actually wanted to ~replicate~ weev's idea of "success", we could simply take over millions of "private" home routers, load # | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | trilema via webirc and thereby obtain DEGREES OF MAGNITUDE more... whatever it is, than "social media" ever could or ever did or ever would provide. | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | because no, there's no fucking difference. "facebook traffic", aka http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/ | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | "what can you do ?" "umm.... i wasn't prepared to be asked this question." what the fuck is that ? "people" ? in WHAT FUCKING SENSE ? | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | things i can mechanically replicate aren't people, that's the fucking definition, and no other definition could ever stand. | [16:08] |
| asciilifeform: | not same degree of credibility. i can't picture mircea_popescu sitting and cooking up random faux chix ( why?! ) whereas can easily picture bored 19yo zek doing same | [16:22] |
| asciilifeform: | real planet earth doesn't seem to offer a continuum between 'waste of meat' and 'does worthwhile things' , tho it could theoretically exist somehow . somehow it loox to be a binary. | [16:26] |
| asciilifeform: | there might somewhere exist a 'i build emp probe on mondays and read reddit on tuesdays' fella. but i haven't met one yet. | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you just make a guess. | [16:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ( there could even be somebody somewhere who drinks whore street cognac on mondays and smokes crack on tuesdays. but ditto ) | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole argument was centered on incomputability. you know it's incomputable, therefore you agree the why is weak, therefore that's all. | [16:29] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun propose it's mechanically litmusable, for all i know the hobo i met who claimed to be ex-general, really was. but 'smart money bets against'. | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | traditionally this is signalled by the linguistic token "why not", though none of the bleaters active today understands the meaning of this (or any other token, come to thionkl of it) | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i dunno whose smart money. | [16:30] |
| * asciilifeform | tightens gasmask | [16:30] |
| * asciilifeform | habituated to working with heuristics , and generally does not enjoy the luxury of operating as if errything were equally possible | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean "haven't met one yet" ?! you met one yesterday, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825321 | [16:32] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-14 05:13 asciilifeform: .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu resolved the contradiction tho | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | but ~you~ nevertheless met. | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | dutch is consistent , turns out, sack of sad | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | glitches in mental model dun count as 'met', just like lsd eater dun really 'talk to god' | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the operating difference here isn't "whether everything is equally possible" but rather "whether everything is equally uninteresting". in point of fact the situation where dood made up all the girls would be more ~interesting~ than the actual reality. that's how your notion of parsimony fails | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you seek ontological minimums irrespective of how they stand on the gnoseological potential space. | [16:34] |
| asciilifeform: | how'd it be 'more interesting' ? | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas, in reality, parsimony is multiplanar. you seek minimums, yes, but the simplest object is not strictly an existence concern. | [16:35] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty simple algo, take a 100 $ and a camwhore site, who wants -- can replicate | [16:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then keep them straight ? | [16:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( supposing the prize weren't meanwhile gone ) | [16:35] |
| asciilifeform: | it isn't a particularly impressive feat of keep-straight | [16:35] |
| asciilifeform: | plus on at least 1 occasion he let crosstalk leak | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno why you imagine sybilling is free. it's not. in point of fact, the "use humans" is so much cheaper, all sybils known to date worked that way. | [16:36] |
| asciilifeform: | not even farting is free in this sense. but it's cheap. | [16:36] |
| asciilifeform: | and naturally he used humans, to generate the photos. | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | mah work in reddit / fetlife / whatever machine-infiltration is pioneering specifically because ~nobody else~ ever fucking does this. because it's expensive. | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | they instead try to "brigade", which is wetware sybilling. | [16:36] |
| asciilifeform: | ( asciilifeform does not posit that the photos were of anyffing but actual chix ) | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform no, we're discussing the strings here. | [16:37] |
| asciilifeform: | right | [16:37] |
| asciilifeform: | how many shots was it, 71 ? | [16:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun recall, something like that. | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | i see it as elementarily more parsimonious , to suppose that d00d ( who in every other visible to us walk of life took the utmost laziest examtaker shortcut ) generated 71 btc addrs , and hired $ 5 camwhores , than the notion that 71 females in total have even touched bitcoin. | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | much less visited 19yo zek's hovel under whatever pretext. | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is not what's proposed. | [16:41] |
| asciilifeform: | what am i missing | [16:41] |
| asciilifeform: | is mircea_popescu's version that he , for some unknown reason all from same handful of ip, actually put them on the chan ..? | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | your theory is that dood opened 71 irc sessions and typed stuff in his theory, which i said seems to me persuasive, was that ... well im too lazy to dig it up, he put it in somewhere, something to the effect of giving them an irc link. | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | exactly like i or you do it, for that matter. | [16:47] |
| asciilifeform: | and not 1 of'em asked where the promised coin is, why she's getting a fiver instead of two bitcents ? | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | not one. | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | nikki_ff also never thanked you for the up. not that i told her not to, or to. | [16:47] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose this one'll only get properly settled if/when douchebag confesses | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the other one asked for the notes spyked hasn't yet published when and because i told her to, otherwise it'd have stayed private. | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so on. | [16:48] |
| asciilifeform: | tho perhaps even confession won't suffice, sorta how conan doyle believed to the end of his days that houdini was genuinely powerful shaman, rather than stage artist | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | or the guy for which the kugerrand is named believed earth is plateshaped. | [16:49] |
| mod6: | wasnt there a bunch of them nagging about withdrawls tho? | [16:49] |
| trinque: | yeeeep | [16:49] |
| trinque: | :D | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically alf has trouble internalizing just how disciplined modern zek is. | [16:49] |
| trinque: | and lemme just say, if that was douchebag or the other guy PM-ing me, gay. | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | things come "natural" to them that blow the anthropologist away. that's what socialization even fucking is. | [16:50] |
| mod6: | :D | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you understand that all over this planet there's blkjfdl to the right of sldkjldkjf 99.99999% of the time, and almost NEVER the other way around ? | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | why should this be ? | [16:50] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: prolly for the same reason as http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and my telling you blkjfdl = fork and sldkjldkjf = knife helps resolve this mystery ? HOW ? WHY ?! | [16:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform rather like that. | [16:51] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate if it somehow comes out that douchebag's claim was 100% god's truth, and asciilifeform's -- cruel libel, i'll smile | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | but thus far d00d's works, if you will, are consistent with my picture. | [16:52] |
| asciilifeform: | no ferraris thus far, only cardboard cutout. | [16:53] |
| asciilifeform: | ( recall the illustrious reptilia and his auto ) | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | the greatness of "your picture", this and others, is that most things are "consistent" with them. | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | takes a little bit of escherian margins, it's true, but the result is quite artisitcally impressive. | [16:54] |
| asciilifeform: | i'd be that mircea_popescu doesn't like magic shows much. | [16:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't like impudent magic shows. | [16:56] |
| asciilifeform: | ( to appreciate magic show, you gotta be at peace with being tricked, if only for sport ) | [16:56] |
| ben_vulpes: | (matchsticks!) | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i enjoy them inside of doors, when my girls do tricks. but pompous asshole imagining he actually tricks me... heh. noty. | [16:57] |
| asciilifeform: | seems like he might have , tho ? | [16:57] |
| asciilifeform: | if mircea_popescu actually buys the 'gurlz spoke on irc' bit | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [16:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes don't remind him of that one, he's still not solved it i bet :D | [16:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | nor fuckin i | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | i promise i'd say, if i had, lol | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | nor ever will ye. IT IS TOO MUCH ALIEN TECHNOLOGEES | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | it and 9000 good magic trix | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ( that asciilifeform also not solved ) | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu would make a pretty killer houdini | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, i can still get it up. | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty sure d00d didnt live longenuff to have problem getting it up | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ithought he was famous for it. | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | haven't heard this one, lol | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | really ?! | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | nope | [17:00] |
| * mircea_popescu | shrugs. let's call it "not had any children and go to bed". | [17:00] |
| asciilifeform: | how d00d managed to avoid impregnating anyffing in 1900s -- is indeed good q. ( perhaps -- magic!111 ) | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. escapist ejaculate. | [17:09] |
| mod6: | whoop der it aint | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahaha | [17:10] |
| asciilifeform: | 'how did it get into arse?!' 'sleight of hand!' | [17:10] |
| asciilifeform: | there was episode where he exposed a (very fuckable) mindreading chix, on account of being the only referee who wasn't fucking her | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that he didnt swing that way | [17:13] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825808 << slow progress, snake soldered but untested. i realized last night that i don't have any linux devices, and was too tired to figure out how to do usb-serial/../new_id equivalent on a bsd. | [17:41] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-15 19:50 asciilifeform: speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ? | [17:41] |
| phf: | i picked an x1 carbon from a pile, going to put trinque's cuntoo on it while i'm on the road.. | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in belle epoque rotaku, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAXs4c9Ync | [17:58] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: aaaactually you can test the snake with the selfsame cbook, plug 1 end into usbc and other into the usb3 jack . in dev mode shell you will get the ttys , and can connect | [18:15] |
| asciilifeform: | no 2nd box needed. | [18:15] |
| * asciilifeform | brb, meat | [18:15] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: i guessed that might be the case, but i ought to get that carbon operational again anyway. | [18:32] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: x60 finally croaked ? | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in literature, "La décadence de cette ancienne maison avait, sans nul doute, suivi régulièrement son cours l'effémination des mâles était allée en s'accentuant" (huysmans) | [19:37] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: the way it looks x60 is not going to be replaced anytime soon, but it's running freebsd, and i avoid putting unstable stuff on it. i want a linux box for messy hacking though. | [20:20] |
| phf: | !!up abrelosojos | [20:22] |
| deedbot: | abrelosojos voiced for 30 minutes. | [20:22] |
| abrelosojos: | !!up | [20:37] |
| deedbot: | You may not $up yourself. | [20:37] |
| abrelosojos: | !!v | [20:37] |
| mod6: | !!up loper_os_cr50 | [21:22] |
| deedbot: | loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. | [21:22] |
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