Forum logs for 15 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform pankkake: wait - wtf ? [00:03]
asciilifeform surely not [00:03]
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pankkake https://openex.pw/index.php?page=home shows 0.3 [00:03]
ozbot OpenEx [00:03]
pankkake volume of course not price [00:03]
asciilifeform aha [00:03]
asciilifeform 'Danger! 1,000,000 Ohms.' [00:04]
asciilifeform something like that [00:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-] [00:06]
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Vexual resistance is futile [00:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8} [00:20]
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benkay induction is irresistable [00:28]
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benkay punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that. [00:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2} [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5} [00:53]
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kakobrekla bash flushed. [01:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+] [01:15]
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benkay http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=57 [01:17]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash [01:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+] [01:20]
davout kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere? [01:21]
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davout or should i dig the logs? [01:21]
kakobrekla hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times [01:22]
kakobrekla but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped. [01:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-] [01:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2} [01:27]
kakobrekla btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so [01:29]
davout yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc [01:29]
davout the question is who buys it [01:30]
punkman1 nobody sane [01:30]
davout punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base [01:31]
davout one of the two is unknown [01:31]
kakobrekla anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time [01:31]
kakobrekla the most irritating is the min trade fee [01:32]
davout oh yeah i heard about this one [01:32]
kakobrekla i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi [01:32]
davout ouch [01:33]
kakobrekla (they can also make this shit up) [01:33]
davout like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee? [01:33]
kakobrekla yea [01:34]
kakobrekla and ofc fee in that case is millions % [01:34]
davout yo [01:34]
Apocalyptic btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so // interesting [01:35]
davout "your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem" [01:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3} [01:36]
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davout kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to [01:42]
davout (on bstamp) [01:42]
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Apocalyptic davout, have you read http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r4d6t/bitstamps_streaming_api_and_exploitation/ ? [01:44]
Apocalyptic the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified [01:46]
davout Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ? [01:46]
Apocalyptic nope [01:46]
Apocalyptic not to my knowledge [01:46]
ThickAsThieves why isnt mpex quoting options? [01:47]
ThickAsThieves data source seems to be working fine, no? http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json [01:48]
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davout ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2014#503754 [01:49]
ThickAsThieves failed to get a quote? [01:49]
davout yea, that's kind of mysterious [01:49]
ThickAsThieves as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible? [01:49]
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davout maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions [01:50]
davout maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike [01:51]
ThickAsThieves thatd be fine i guess [01:52]
ThickAsThieves if that was stated reasoning [01:52]
davout or mebbe the leprechaun is busy http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/165/e/e/fvsm01_leprechauns1_witches0_by_faile35-d3ixz8r.jpg [01:52]
Apocalyptic .d [01:52]
ozbot 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s [01:52]
ThickAsThieves "dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such [01:52]
ThickAsThieves hypothetically speaking of course [01:53]
davout if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation [01:53]
ThickAsThieves which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more [01:53]
ThickAsThieves i vote it's a Bugpowder freezeout [01:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2} [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+] [01:57]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXuPQ9ML9E [02:00]
ozbot Get Konnected with The Kronies Action Figures - YouTube [02:00]
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davout wow [02:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00087494 = 15.3097 BTC [+] [02:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087465 = 5.073 BTC [-] [02:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00038239 = 0.6118 BTC [-] {5} [02:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+] [02:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00087494 = 2.8663 BTC [+] [02:25]
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mod6 lol TAT, that was awesome [02:31]
mod6 "oh no! I'm underwater, I need a bail out!" lmao [02:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.0008749 = 7.8627 BTC [-] {2} [02:34]
pankkake http://thekronies.com/ (but you can't buy them… yet) [02:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2} [02:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-] [02:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07399999 = 0.222 BTC [+] [02:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-] [02:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] [02:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [02:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210003 BTC [-] [02:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [02:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00087526 = 20.2185 BTC [+] {2} [02:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297571 = 0.2083 BTC [+] [02:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+] [02:51]
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mod6 http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao [03:14]
ozbot Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube [03:14]
mod6 lmao [03:14]
pankkake from the looks of it, the guy ate all the bitcoins [03:17]
pankkake does it work like a piñata? [03:18]
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asciilifeform http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jAVGHwajDek/Rug-h4p-SAI/AAAAAAAAABY/vFJNNHVb9I4/s1600-h/bus.jpeg [03:19]
ozbot bus.jpeg (image) [03:19]
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mod6 haha, magicaltux came on the lamers bus [03:21]
kakobrekla i think he runs that company too [03:21]
kakobrekla free pass! [03:21]
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benkay afternoon [03:27]
kakobrekla heya [03:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2} [03:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00087465 = 5.4228 BTC [-] [03:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087537 = 13.4807 BTC [+] {2} [04:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] [04:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [04:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087465 = 4.2421 BTC [-] [04:30]
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moiety meh [05:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00297927 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4} [05:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06099999 = 0.366 BTC [-] [05:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00515 = 0.1288 BTC [-] [05:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51800001 BTC [-] [05:15]
ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/video/can-bitcoin-come-back-from-multiple-hacks-~XPcnslQRTu4drafGngWdw.html [05:18]
ozbot Can Bitcoin Come Back from Multiple Hacks?: Video - Bloomberg [05:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00087559 = 9.1061 BTC [+] [05:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2207 @ 0.00087559 = 1.9324 BTC [+] [05:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00087563 = 4.372 BTC [+] [05:24]
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MisterE ThickAsThieves: you read about the dude who flew to Tokyo to confront Gox CEO? [05:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00022499 = 0.225 BTC [+] [05:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087465 = 9.3588 BTC [-] [05:33]
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pankkake http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=&nick=&thing=GOXBTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=&notes= [05:39]
ozbot #bitcoin-otc order book [05:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10224 @ 0.00087563 = 8.9524 BTC [+] [05:44]
chetty haha goxbtc, is that a new alt coin? [05:45]
joecool it's a fractional reserve currency based on bitcoin [05:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087463 = 5.5976 BTC [-] {2} [06:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13051 @ 0.00021537 = 2.8108 BTC [-] {10} [06:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00087463 = 8.3309 BTC [-] [06:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00522854 = 0.4915 BTC [+] {10} [06:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08179999 = 0.818 BTC [-] {4} [07:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00539358 = 0.3937 BTC [+] {4} [07:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00539574 = 0.6907 BTC [+] {5} [07:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00539999 = 0.4158 BTC [+] [07:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00087423 = 13.6861 BTC [-] {3} [07:10]
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mircea_popescu lmao @bash [07:23]
KRS-One .bait [07:23]
KRS-One .bait [07:23]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/ee677c6897b25e3cced894c5b5ecd7fd/tumblr_mej4zorNTX1qg7sdjo1_r1_1280.jpg [07:23]
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mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgfZiDJIMAA-_yT.png [07:25]
Duffer1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Md1Ms6EEbQ [07:28]
ozbot Darkplace - One Track Lover - YouTube [07:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06745001 = 0.3373 BTC [-] [07:28]
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moiety merry 15th all! can get on with the rest of the year now. [07:36]
moiety wtf lol how to walk on ice? i've seen it all.. no, wait, re-enact that poster with gold crackhead...then i will have seen everything [07:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0008738 = 6.903 BTC [-] {2} [07:37]
Duffer1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu51vkm0SuQ [07:38]
ozbot Fenslerfilm GI Joe PSA 05 - ice - YouTube [07:38]
moiety http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/14/gallery-you-wont-believe-what-the-authorities-found-in-this-mexican-drug-lords-villa-4304530/ [07:38]
ozbot Mexican drug lord's house: You won't believe what the authorities found in this Mexican drug Lord's [07:38]
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cazalla mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi [07:52]
cazalla that's for you Duffer1 [07:53]
Duffer1 hehe [07:53]
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asciilifeform moiety: probably a counterfeiter's shop, as well as whatever else they did. [07:55]
mircea_popescu anything good ? [07:55]
Duffer1 http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/22-more-gold-machine-guns-and-pistols-most-were-never-fired-just-held-for-collection-value.jpg lol [07:55]
moiety i actually think gold guns end up looking cheap [07:56]
mircea_popescu what's with people and gold guns [07:56]
mircea_popescu gold makes shitty gun [07:56]
mircea_popescu s [07:56]
asciilifeform plated. [07:56]
asciilifeform no one in his right mind would make an actual gold ak [07:56]
mircea_popescu or would they [07:57]
moiety i would like a rainbow sig [07:57]
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moiety i bet they would if they could [07:57]
moiety rainbow sig: http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/30277-DEFAULT-L.jpg very pretty [07:57]
asciilifeform i say plated. the rivets are in the right places, and if it were solid gold, it'd be welded. [07:57]
asciilifeform unless it is a perversely slavish imitation. [07:57]
BingoBoingo I dunno if a gold barrel could do anything other than explode. [07:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087371 = 12.5814 BTC [-] {2} [07:58]
moiety no one swept me off my feet yesterday, yous will have to put up with me a bit longer,sorry [07:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: depends whether one insisted on firing it... [07:58]
moiety would gold not just melt or buckle on firing? [07:59]
asciilifeform certainly. [07:59]
asciilifeform the most interesting thing in the picture is, well... not actually in the picture. [08:01]
asciilifeform that is: 'why now' [08:01]
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B007 I made a bash script to txt me hourly google trends; should be interesting [08:12]
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asciilifeform anyone else find it curious that these 'bust' photos never seem to feature gold bars? [08:15]
asciilifeform or even simulacra thereof [08:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55498489 = 3.3299 BTC [+] {5} [08:16]
moiety i hadn't thought of that but it's a really good point, i would rather bars than all those notes [08:16]
asciilifeform likewise, quite a few of these shots look rather familiar. [08:17]
asciilifeform hence, probably a stage set. [08:17]
asciilifeform unless all the mexican barons share the same lion. [08:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00087454 = 7.9583 BTC [+] [08:19]
moiety lololol [08:19]
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moiety nice house though [08:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 36 @ 0.08977719 = 3.232 BTC [+] {7} [08:21]
moiety i thought that was wrong [08:22]
moiety they say black leopards... they are jaguars [08:22]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I imagine the gold bars are better concealed than the plated firearms. [08:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.10999999 = 0.88 BTC [+] [08:23]
moiety bars are aninvestment, guns are a collection though [08:26]
asciilifeform what, then, are the benjamins? [08:26]
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moiety ijust mean you dont get bars to look at and put in cabinets [08:28]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The Benjamins are probably toilet paper [08:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00087454 = 3.5419 BTC [+] [08:35]
Vexual Hey BingoBoingo, did your openex withdrewing work? [08:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i always imagined they're non-functioning [08:40]
mircea_popescu not even holes drilled in the barrel [08:40]
BingoBoingo Vexual: It did indeed [08:40]
Vexual Thre cool, thanks [08:41]
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mircea_popescu anyone here rebelmouse.com ? [08:44]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Any reason to try it. Homepage only seems to have buzzwords [08:46]
mircea_popescu no but it linked to trilema lots [08:46]
mircea_popescu so i figured 50-50 it's sopmeone here. [08:47]
Vexual only 360 readers? [08:47]
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mircea_popescu anyway, since im in there some gems : [08:48]
mircea_popescu - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com 122 138 [08:48]
mircea_popescu [...] [08:48]
mircea_popescu - http://www.loper-os.org 73 73 [08:48]
mircea_popescu - http://qz.com/174757/bitcoin-company-offers-stock-denominated-in... 68 68 [08:48]
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mircea_popescu seems stan beats atlantic media. [08:49]
BingoBoingo lol [08:49]
mircea_popescu considering how much that adventure cost... [08:49]
BingoBoingo I've been finding odd content aggregators linking me from the start. [08:49]
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mircea_popescu yeah there's a slew of those [08:50]
mircea_popescu semalt.com seosatnight.com etcetc [08:50]
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B007 mircea_popescu: what would you pay 1000 btc for? [08:53]
mircea_popescu the new york times [08:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I hope you mean the whole operation. [08:56]
mircea_popescu well yes. [08:56]
Vexual Imagine the page 3 girls [08:58]
B007 I wonder if bitcoin is going to go up [08:58]
B007 maybe I should buy [08:58]
asciilifeform afaik mouse is a lameraggregator. [08:59]
asciilifeform slurps crap from reddit et al. [08:59]
mircea_popescu o via reddit huhg [08:59]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/New_York_Times_Frontpage_1914-07-29.png [09:00]
Vexual manifesto from emporer [09:02]
BingoBoingo Vexual: And NYT doesn't have page 3 girls, yet... [09:03]
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Vexual no i might have been confusing it with the sun [09:04]
Vexual what stock prices would you print for exchanges that don't close? [09:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00087391 = 12.6717 BTC [-] {3} [09:07]
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mircea_popescu 24hrw [09:19]
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mircea_popescu http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ellen-page-comes-as-gay-680563 [09:24]
ozbot Ellen Page Comes Out As Gay: 'I Am Tired of Lying by Omission' (Exclusive) - The Hollywood Reporter [09:24]
mircea_popescu i guess she;s kind-of hot now [09:24]
moiety i was just reading that too [09:25]
mircea_popescu provided she doesn't start dating elen degeneratis or some shit [09:25]
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moiety also got this http://i.imgur.com/sy2sQci.png people are dicks [09:26]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00194567 = 0.8756 BTC [-] [09:26]
mircea_popescu ew [09:28]
Vexual juno the one about the hot lesbian? [09:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087481 = 16.7089 BTC [+] {2} [09:31]
moiety what's .co.za again? south africa? [09:35]
mircea_popescu zaire ? [09:35]
Vexual south africa [09:35]
moiety so SA people send me a funeral notice (in scotland) for american funeral home. very good asshats [09:35]
Vexual zef as [09:36]
mircea_popescu wow it is sa [09:36]
moiety true arseholes are a special breed of people aren't they [09:37]
Vexual interesting place [09:37]
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Vexual its a bit like australia if the dutch knocked it up first [09:38]
moiety i wouldn't like to go [09:38]
moiety i knew a girl here thatleft age 8 to live there, came back in her 20s [09:38]
moiety she hated it [09:38]
mircea_popescu i knew a girl that loved it, then got raped for being white, aged about 15, [09:39]
mircea_popescu then couldn't get anyone prosecuted for it out of the entire gang, so she left once she was 18 [09:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 700 @ 0.000155 = 0.1085 BTC [+] [09:39]
B007 wow [09:40]
MisterE moiety: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fake-funeral-notice-scam-low-fraudsters-ftc/story?id=22498185&google_editors_picks=true [09:41]
MisterE looks like you got phished [09:42]
moiety wow raped because she was white? [09:42]
mircea_popescu kinda how it works in south africa. [09:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087543 = 4.3772 BTC [+] [09:43]
MisterE security for whites is crazy there [09:43]
MisterE armed guards with AKs and shit [09:43]
MisterE place is a mess yo [09:43]
moiety wow MisterE good to see. it did try to get me to d/l something but i cancelled it. will i be ok? [09:43]
Vexual isn't there 10+ spoken languages right in cape town? [09:43]
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mircea_popescu moiety possibly. [09:44]
MisterE hope so moiety but your computer can download stuff without you knowing, especially if there any known vunerabilities in your browser [09:44]
moiety better run a malwarebytes scan then? [09:44]
Vexual are you in the market for a funeral? [09:44]
MisterE personally, if it's a win box I'd take it offline and boot up with a scanner boot disk [09:44]
moiety no i got all mine booked up last month Vexual [09:44]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00212562 = 0.9565 BTC [+] [09:45]
moiety kk MisterE just scared me brb [09:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 4300 @ 0.000155 = 0.6665 BTC [+] [09:46]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00195346 = 0.8791 BTC [-] [09:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1469 @ 0.00060598 = 0.8902 BTC [+] [09:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00087565 = 13.2223 BTC [+] [09:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00087565 = 4.4317 BTC [+] [09:55]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00195346 = 0.8791 BTC [-] [09:58]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2UdJhqVsc8 [10:06]
ozbot Jack Parow - Afrikaans is Dood - YouTube [10:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0008758 = 5.9554 BTC [+] {2} [10:10]
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moiety o/ [10:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00087464 = 16.3558 BTC [-] {3} [10:20]
Vexual disease free? [10:21]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/on-july-29-1914/ [10:22]
ozbot On July 29, 1914 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [10:22]
moiety i hope so [10:25]
moiety 40 things! [10:25]
moiety yay i can read again [10:25]
Vexual i thought how in all probability noone alive on earth today bought that newspaper [10:26]
Vexual new yorkers dont live to 120 do they? all that smog [10:27]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Do you want a loan you can apply to the purchase of trilema credits since you are in the WOT nao? [10:28]
moiety that's very kind and i would normally, but I'm not in a position to give myself deadlines at the moment BingoBoingo [10:30]
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benkay i dunno moiety, you might be able to talk your way into a zero interest loan [10:31]
benkay spring bubble hasn't kicked in terribly hard yet [10:31]
moiety i just looked it up, i don;t actually need a loan, i just need to know how to buy now [10:32]
moiety it was last april it was low wasn't it? i remember [10:33]
moiety april/may time i think [10:33]
mircea_popescu benkay you mean asset boobl ? [10:33]
BingoBoingo moiety: Last february though there wasn't a prolongued dip like this. [10:33]
moiety but then china hadn't banned it last year [10:34]
Vexual get out in may and stay away [10:34]
BingoBoingo moiety: At this time last year the only serious Chinese involvement was ASICMiner. [10:34]
BingoBoingo ASICMIner was building to that really sharp bubble. [10:36]
moiety what's the current with bfl thesedays? [10:36]
moiety they had grovellers out in force in london in november [10:37]
BingoBoingo moiety: BFL still isn't shipping Monarchs [10:37]
mircea_popescu well they're only what, 5 months late ? [10:37]
moiety lol still? hhaha the guy at the london expo simply said: sorry [10:37]
Duffer1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOLtTGvsbM&feature=kp [10:38]
ozbot Toto - Rosanna - YouTube [10:38]
BingoBoingo moiety: First rule of Bitcoin is anything happening in London is at best Lols. [10:38]
Vexual hehe [10:38]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/embed/DwxCBIizQYU [10:39]
ozbot Hohenfriedberger march + Prussian army - YouTube [10:39]
BingoBoingo So... I made about a 200% gain selling the bulk of my Altcoin today. [10:40]
Vexual i made 10% yesterday, who are we taking it from? [10:40]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo would you like to be my openex broker ? :D [10:41]
Vexual mike_c? [10:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe? [10:41]
mircea_popescu pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do. [10:41]
Vexual fuck a man with a plan is the last thing i need [10:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you get a month. [10:41]
mircea_popescu have fun. [10:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: How much did you buy the ATC at? [10:42]
Vexual 125 [10:42]
Vexual my guess [10:42]
mircea_popescu Auf, Ansbach-Dragoner! Auf, Ansbach-Bayreuth! [10:42]
mircea_popescu what diff does it make ? [10:42]
KRS-One .bait [10:42]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3g532Ex6K1qaooc8o1_500.jpg [10:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087593 = 3.6789 BTC [+] {2} [10:43]
KRS-One damn its dark in there. [10:43]
Vexual lol krs-1 thats custom [10:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm just thinking if you have a target sort of gain I should shoot for. [10:43]
mircea_popescu nope. [10:43]
Vexual double the atc and bring back some btc [10:43]
mircea_popescu ^ [10:43]
BingoBoingo I'll see what I can do. [10:44]
mircea_popescu don't get too wrapped up in it, it's alt after all. [10:45]
BingoBoingo Of course. I mean it wouldn't be worth it to copy the Doge profiteers and whore myself out in the name of Moon. [10:46]
mircea_popescu may its name be always cheez. [10:46]
BingoBoingo The z is important. No actual milk or rennet was used in the making of the cheez [10:47]
Vexual "we got the cheez!" [10:49]
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Vexual scott cann:into the blue [10:51]
BingoBoingo This ATC trading thing would be so much easier if herbi was still in the game. [10:51]
moiety otc is not the place to paypal is it [10:51]
BingoBoingo moiety: It can be if both parties have rep appropriate to the amount being traded. [10:52]
BingoBoingo Paypal/Ebay have been on an anit-BTC warpath recently though. [10:52]
moiety i spend all my time telling others not to bother lol [10:52]
moiety bitcoin isn't a very easy world is it [10:53]
BingoBoingo moiety: Have you read Mircea's variety speak article yet? [10:53]
moiety yes [10:53]
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BingoBoingo Finding things that don't work is easy. Things that work though are unknowable until after the fact. [10:54]
BingoBoingo My favorite part of ATC trading is it is like all of the trading I have ever done. [10:56]
Vexual ditto [10:57]
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moiety i'm just entirely fed up of the hassle [10:58]
moiety I've never managed to buy it yet because of one problem or another [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087319 = 5.3265 BTC [-] {2} [10:59]
Vexual perhaps the nigerians are a sign [10:59]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Never bought what? [11:00]
moiety btc [11:00]
moiety someone else has always done it for me [11:00]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU [11:03]
ozbot Take The Money And Run - The Steve Miller Band (Lyrics + HQ) - YouTube [11:03]
moiety plus remember bingo, i was being paid it before, i had no need to buy [11:05]
Vexual nice [11:05]
moiety i only ever bought hosting with that, tipped the rest to other people [11:06]
moiety i have THE best email address BingoBoingo :D palindrome email address almost [11:06]
Vexual nigerians love palendromes [11:07]
moiety nigerians scare the hell out of me [11:07]
moiety all the compounds are armed guarded [11:08]
Vexual they see a palendromic email and theyre all like, this old coot is loaded! [11:09]
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Vexual i should get lauxev.com for lolz [11:10]
BingoBoingo moiety: Back then you could have gotten BTC at $80 per [11:10]
moiety ik ik ik gah [11:10]
moiety will it ever dip that low again do you think? [11:11]
BingoBoingo moiety: Maybe on Gox? [11:12]
moiety lololol [11:12]
moiety gox will die this year surely? [11:12]
Vexual smells like a rouge goo dev [11:12]
Vexual paretheses ommitted [11:12]
BingoBoingo 10 K BTC sometime this year is more likely than $80 for BTC on any platform that can actually deliver BTC. [11:13]
BingoBoingo moiety: Gox died last summer. [11:13]
moiety it's just like the queen, just clining on to the throne [11:14]
moiety clinging [11:14]
BingoBoingo No, not like the Queen at all. More like Ariel Sharon, practically dead, brain dead, just kept fresh on a ventilator. [11:15]
Vexual with bigger arms [11:16]
moiety fair point, the queen doesn't breath oxygen [11:16]
moiety will you still be awake in half hour or so? [11:16]
BingoBoingo moiety: Well I mean the queen spent the last 8 years at least able to walk, and not simply on display in the produce department [11:17]
moiety i wouldn't be so sure. i'm convinced they have her on a trolley [11:18]
moiety Do you know why they are waiting for William? [11:18]
BingoBoingo moiety: No Idea. [11:19]
moiety Charles doesn't want to do it. -- according to Lord Mowbray [11:19]
moiety he doesn't have the balls apparently [11:19]
moiety they all think (including himself) he is a little soft for it, better for william to go straight in [11:19]
moiety random snippet for the day [11:19]
Vexual he does, the people don't [11:20]
moiety he doesnt though. [11:20]
moiety he cant make decisions [11:20]
Vexual he might have some regrets and marketing people, but he does [11:21]
moiety i think you misunderstood what i was saying [11:21]
Vexual its highly likely [11:22]
moiety if charles was to go and be king, he would have to give up all his Duke of Edinburgh responsibilities etc. He has balls, what I'm meaning is he couldn't do what *he* wanted specifically [11:23]
moiety he wanted more leaway to do all the charity and good things he does [11:24]
moiety i think harry wouldve been better [11:24]
moiety do they even have a role now? [11:24]
moiety apart from waving [11:25]
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Vexual he has a range of preserves [11:26]
Vexual willys got an attack copter [11:26]
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moiety he looks about 70 already [11:26]
Vexual im thinking you might be right [11:26]
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Vexual what a very scottish way of convincing me [11:27]
moiety lol what...badly?! [11:27]
Vexual no very well sir [11:29]
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moiety where are you from Vexual? [11:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00087594 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2} [11:32]
Vexual australie [11:32]
moiety oh election time for you then [11:34]
Vexual im not enrolled [11:34]
moiety i got enrolled to vote for independence [11:35]
Vexual cool [11:36]
Vexual i eamil secretarys when i need something done; infinitely fore effective [11:38]
benkay deploy capital [11:39]
Vexual its amazing how people will take unsolicited advice worded correctly [11:39]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:39]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go [11:48]
ozbot Johnny Cash Hurt - YouTube [11:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00087599 = 2.409 BTC [+] [11:49]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOb799cTxM [11:53]
ozbot Black Box Ride on Time [ 1989 ] HD version - YouTube [11:53]
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Vexual how the fuck am i goona play bb with 100k? [11:56]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: ? [11:57]
BingoBoingo Vexual: What's Batman's greatest weapon? [11:58]
Vexual i dunno [11:58]
Vexual the call to arms from the sky? [11:59]
Vexual oh [11:59]
Vexual time for another video [11:59]
Vexual don't answer that [11:59]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Deception. [12:00]
Vexual whaddya you mean, hes fucking batman [12:00]
BingoBoingo Huh, looks like I should have put more money on Slovenia than I did. [12:00]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Yeah. But he is good at deception. That is how he uses all of these high tech weapons while hiding he is almost as rich as Mircea. [12:01]
Vexual hmm [12:02]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO5rDmSY6N4 [12:02]
BingoBoingo Vexual: I mean how many peopl in Gotham can afford Batman tools? Maybe 5-10? [12:02]
ozbot Dizzee Rascal - Dirtee Cash ( Offcial Video HQ.) - YouTube [12:02]
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Vexual ny gotham or gotham gotham? [12:03]
Vexual gg yah? [12:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000876 = 3.7668 BTC [+] {2} [12:06]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Imagination land version. [12:06]
Vexual ok [12:06]
BingoBoingo I actually had a neighbor named Batman once. [12:07]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY [12:07]
ozbot Wiley - Wearing My Rolex (Official Music Video) - YouTube [12:07]
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moiety sorry delayed response: Vexual: it's a national vote, i don't think they let you email it in [12:17]
Vexual lol [12:18]
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moiety BingoBoingo: batman? please tell me there was also a Robin on your street [12:20]
BingoBoingo moiety: Nah. THis was grad school so we lived in the same building. [12:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11206 @ 0.00087603 = 9.8168 BTC [+] [12:21]
moiety bound to have been a Robin too then.... ok, I'm satisfied [12:21]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inn4juu0Cfs [12:24]
ozbot Iggy Azalea - My World (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube [12:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5584855 = 1.117 BTC [+] {2} [12:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.56822498 = 11.3645 BTC [+] {4} [12:27]
BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvcHVesIzMU [12:29]
ozbot Tatu - Nas Nie Dogoniat - YouTube [12:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57287264 = 6.3016 BTC [+] {4} [12:32]
BingoBoingo Fuck Yeah, Slovenia whooped the shit out of Slovakia. [12:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.5755599 = 11.5112 BTC [+] {4} [12:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58669728 = 11.7339 BTC [+] {8} [12:34]
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mircea_popescu http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/13/1277249/-Reporters-Without-Borders-United-States-plummets-in-Press-Freedom-Index [12:35]
ozbot Reporters Without Borders: United States plummets in Press Freedom Index [12:35]
mircea_popescu "Compared to other nations, the United States ranks just below Romania, and just above Haiti" [12:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58976433 = 11.7953 BTC [+] {6} [12:35]
mircea_popescu you know... haiti. [12:36]
BingoBoingo See Mircea, your blog has been safer than mine the whole time. [12:36]
mircea_popescu Much of Eastern and Central Europe rates better than the United States, and from Western Europe, only Italy rates worse. [12:37]
mircea_popescu italy. you know... the scum of yurp [12:37]
mircea_popescu seems so lol [12:37]
BingoBoingo Well, Ever since the Etruscans, Italy has been kind of fucked [12:38]
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mircea_popescu In January 2012, the SEC charged an Illinois-based investment adviser with offering to sell fictitious securities on LinkedIn and issued two alerts in an agency-wide effort to highlight the risks investors and advisory firms face when using social media. Anthony Fields offered more than $500 billion in fictitious securities through various social media websites. For example, he used LinkedIn discussions to promote fict [12:39]
mircea_popescu itious “bank guarantees” and “medium-term notes.” [12:39]
mircea_popescu sooo... anyone want to guess as to the guy's bitcointalk name ? [12:39]
BingoBoingo That's before my time. [12:39]
BingoBoingo Imma guess Augusto Croppo? [12:40]
chetty hmm something Trader .. [12:40]
mircea_popescu i have no idea whatsoever, just guessing [12:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00087604 = 9.0232 BTC [+] {2} [12:40]
BingoBoingo Phineas is the only other Illinoisian, but Anthony and Bruno are different names. [12:41]
BingoBoingo Dunno if Augusto is Illinoisian, but Anthony sounds like a name that might degrade to that nick. [12:42]
mircea_popescu nominalism seems hardly grounds to impugn anyone. [12:43]
BingoBoingo Of course not. [12:43]
BingoBoingo Which is why I made a stab in the dark thinking someone who offered the question might have had the name in mind. [12:44]
Vexual wheres the real estate guy? [12:44]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Ohio [12:44]
BingoBoingo Chicago's way outside of my area of operation anyways. [12:45]
Vexual yeah i now that, if hes buying millies he should know about the whole country [12:45]
BingoBoingo I mean they built their downtown around an open sewer [12:45]
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BingoBoingo Several of my favorite memories from Undergrad involve throwing up or shitting into the Chicago river. [12:47]
Vexual fuck id need many tributaries to manage that [12:47]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: It worked out, because there were Sherpas in the group I traveled to Chicago with. Nobody handles sick ghostfaces better than Sherpas. [12:49]
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pankkake BingoBoingo: ATC address? [13:00]
BingoBoingo pankkake: 14UCZyAxu73kF18SrsR6Ud6Xcy1ZnVWfTA [13:01]
pankkake sent [13:01]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Recieved. [13:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4284 @ 0.00087308 = 3.7403 BTC [-] [13:02]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm ready to see what I can do by the Ides of March [13:06]
mircea_popescu o hey that works out splendidly doesn't it. teh ideas of march. [13:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9399 @ 0.00087282 = 8.2036 BTC [-] {2} [13:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course. [13:10]
pankkake I wonder how many have stopped mining atc waiting for the diff to come down [13:10]
mircea_popescu kind of self feeding cycle that neh ? [13:10]
pankkake long diff periods definitely don't work for altcoins [13:10]
BingoBoingo pankkake: I wouldn't be surprised if kakobrekla is waiting for the drop to fire up the Buttfuries [13:10]
Vexual my 7770 wont cut it [13:10]
Vexual even p2pool [13:11]
Vexual when that new am shit dropping? [13:11]
BingoBoingo Oh, roughly 12 hours until my birthday starts. [13:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00087228 = 6.5421 BTC [-] {2} [13:21]
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Vexual ukyo could point his machines at it and get red by summer [13:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4137 @ 0.00087552 = 3.622 BTC [+] {3} [13:30]
Vexual it's my cat's birthday [13:31]
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BingoBoingo Vexual, I may or may not be your cat in disguise [13:34]
Vexual yar, i don't know what im doing [13:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00087671 = 11.7917 BTC [+] {3} [13:35]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Maybe lock your cat in the closet and if I keep responding on IRC, you can by empiricism demonstrate I am not your cat. [13:36]
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Vexual actual cat? [13:38]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: The only meanigful test is actual empiricism [13:39]
Vexual i thought my cat was somewhere eating things... [13:40]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Eating things or communicating through a mouth operated Internet device. [13:41]
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mircea_popescu http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/ [13:47]
ozbot ZeekRewards Receivership Website [13:47]
mircea_popescu anyone remember those ? [13:47]
BingoBoingo Nope [13:49]
mircea_popescu at the time pirate ran his 7% a week thing, there was an irl 7% a week thing [13:50]
mircea_popescu that. [13:50]
mircea_popescu after pirate collapsed people speculated there was some relation. [13:50]
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BingoBoingo I should have started a lot earlier [13:56]
BingoBoingo I missed the era of the stupid controlling an actual portion of the BTC monetary mass. [13:59]
mircea_popescu nutty times. everyone knew better. [14:00]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [14:00]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.0, Best ask: 653.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 653.0, 24 hour volume: 37379.48623285, 24 hour low: 625.0, 24 hour high: 712.9, 24 hour vwap: 662.084329952 [14:00]
BingoBoingo I just regret that one of the hot active threads when I started was the Usagi == Scammer thread back before Deprived did a runner. [14:01]
BingoBoingo Time machine would be a better investment for anyone interested in BTC than an ASIC. [14:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.588 BTC [-] [14:02]
BingoBoingo I wonder how long people could be strung along on a time machine pre-order though. [14:03]
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mircea_popescu lol [14:05]
mircea_popescu make sure it has fans. [14:05]
BingoBoingo I'll make sure the photoshop shames Box of Fans Labs itself. [14:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07200001 = 0.432 BTC [-] [14:11]
mircea_popescu !t m x.eur [14:12]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00194567 / 0.00199455 / 0.00212562 (1800 shares, 3.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00198701 / 0.00212562 (3350 shares, 6.66 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00177273 / 0.00212562 (22850 shares, 40.51 BTC) [14:12]
mircea_popescu how the fuck has this been trading at 0.002 [14:12]
mircea_popescu the eur is like 300 neh ? [14:12]
BingoBoingo Maybe davout is slacking? [14:13]
pankkake ThickAsThieves: I realize coinmarketcap actually wants number of coins, not number of blocks. I fixed it, replace "blocks" by "coins" in the URL I gave you [14:13]
mircea_popescu make a fucking killing, buy futures worth 0.003 at 0.002 [14:13]
mircea_popescu i guess everyone was slacking [14:13]
BingoBoingo Well, operation dominate the ATC market may have begun? [14:14]
FabianB ;;calc 1/0.00212518 [14:16]
gribble 470.548377079 [14:16]
FabianB ;;ticker --market all --currency eur [14:16]
gribble MtGox BTCEUR last: 244.1, vol: 7081.41796619 | Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 473.79027, vol: 36481.52612339 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 465.0, vol: 532.78059 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 475.3602, vol: 314.60590746 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 478.829596, vol: 13103.20800000 | Volume-weighted last average: 446.584660985 [14:16]
assbot 123! [14:16]
FabianB < 300 eur is only gox [14:16]
mircea_popescu ah i just looked at bitcoincharts basket [14:17]
mircea_popescu i guess they killed mtgoxusd but not eur [14:17]
FabianB looks like future is priced ok [14:17]
pankkake bitcoin-central is 485 [14:17]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1/485 [14:17]
gribble 0.0020618556701 [14:17]
pankkake and still not on bitcoincharts! [14:17]
mircea_popescu FabianB good to see the mkt is actually healthjy, i had a moment of panic. [14:18]
FabianB nah, looks good [14:19]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00212562 / 0.0016245 [14:19]
gribble 1.30847645429 [14:19]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00212562 / 00.00194567 [14:20]
gribble Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) [14:20]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00212562 / 0.00194567 [14:20]
gribble 1.09248742079 [14:20]
mircea_popescu you know that is beautiful, 1.30 for 30 days, 1.09 for the week [14:20]
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mircea_popescu anyway, im off. gl everyone. [14:21]
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francis_wolke asciilifeform: I have not drawn my conclusions r.e. the janissaries based on propaganda. At least, I'm not aware of doing so. [21:49]
mircea_popescu o look, new names. [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06899999 = 0.345 BTC [+] {2} [21:51]
mircea_popescu dexX7 not sure how accurate that sort of stuff is. [21:52]
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mircea_popescu 2.47% of total Mpex.co traffic in last 3 months is social < that part was lulzy. [21:53]
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asciilifeform francis_wolke: possibly the only organized undertaking modern rulers are any good at is: presenting elaborately misleading pictures of their capabilities. [21:54]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke you realise the entire breaking tablets thing is strictly a function of man's early monkey-like state and has no practical importance today. do you ? [21:54]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: I don't. [21:55]
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mircea_popescu yes well. back in those days a one year interval was far outside the mental abilities of even "specialist" "bankers" to plan. [21:55]
mircea_popescu society today relies on much more intelligent people. [21:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the basic point that stands, supposing there is one, is that caging monkeys has a certain cost [21:56]
mircea_popescu the fact that the bulk of the live humans are about as stupid today as in 3000 bc has little bearing [21:56]
asciilifeform so the ROI on containing them isn't always positive. [21:56]
mircea_popescu they still wish and expect tvs running water and generally to be able to play around on the intenret. [21:56]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: If the USD went to 0 btc - it would be a 'breaking of the tablets', regardless. [21:56]
mircea_popescu this requires an economy built by people who see more than a year into the future. [21:56]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke it would be the breaking of SOME tablets [21:56]
mircea_popescu ie, the stupid ones. [21:56]
mircea_popescu this happens all the time. there are 1000s of bankruptcy courts all over the world hearing millions of cases as we speak. [21:56]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: Exactly. The point is that the middle and lower class keep working. [21:57]
mircea_popescu sure. [21:57]
mircea_popescu but this is in no way time based, and in no way a festival. [21:57]
francis_wolke Time-based? Festival? [21:57]
mircea_popescu yes. our discussion started with me asking if you realise the thing you quote has more to do with the mokeys involved than with anything of import today. [21:58]
asciilifeform modern monkey-handlers have not entirely abandoned the idea of 'populistic' gifts to their charges via mass expropriation (whether via debt forgiveness, abruptly nationalized industry, or whichever other tricks) [21:59]
francis_wolke exactly. [21:59]
francis_wolke And how do you get rid of $18 trillion in debt? And school loans. And housing loans. etc. [22:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect the problem is more like this : if i give you a debt package, there will be a cost to evaluate its value. if that cost likely exceeds its value, you may opt to just throw the whole thing away. [22:00]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke you don't. ideally, you DONT MAKE THEM [22:00]
mircea_popescu not everybody needs a college degree, even if they're white, and even if their parents have "expectations". [22:01]
asciilifeform modern 'debt politics' is simply a maintenance of the historic norm (most humans being formally enslaved to someone or other) by other means. [22:01]
francis_wolke Agreed. [22:01]
asciilifeform 'kinder/gentler/paper' but otherwise effective. [22:01]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: have you read this: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm [22:01]
mircea_popescu or moreover it's simply THE maintenance of the historic norm, independent of human agency, which is being mentally digested in ways consecvent with the current social text. [22:01]
asciilifeform and there is never any question of turning them loose (that'd be the end of organized civilization as a concept) but change of masters. [22:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's never any question of turning them loose because they just won't leave. [22:02]
mircea_popescu turning "them" lose is like turning the cockroaches in your kitchen "loose", admitting you live in ny. [22:02]
asciilifeform correct. it's rather like the 'animal activist' folks turning the mice loose. [22:02]
mircea_popescu they're loose already. [22:02]
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francis_wolke asciilifeform: A while back you mentioned that the rulers of today are only good at misleading the public. I agree that the *visible* rulers are good at this - but can't imagine someone like Ben Bernanke caring so little about his future that the stupid are allowed to rule. [22:05]
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asciilifeform francis_wolke: the visible muppets aren't good at much of anything [22:06]
mircea_popescu so why does what you can and can't imagine matter ? [22:06]
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Duffer1 I'd say given the state of affairs worldwide the non-visible muppets aren't good at much either [22:07]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 you know you'll have to first define some criteria. [22:08]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: Because my imagination has some bearing on reality - however tenuous. [22:08]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke can you show this to me ? [22:08]
asciilifeform Duffer1: this conclusion does not necessarily follow. [22:08]
Duffer1 well what does it matter visible or nonvisible if the net result is crap all around for everyone? [22:09]
mircea_popescu again, crap by which stick ? [22:09]
asciilifeform re: imagination: gedankenexperiment time. let's imagine that i imagine there's a cleaner way to solve sha(Y)=X than brute force. i pursue this line of inquiry, and the imagined turns into the actual. [22:09]
asciilifeform in this scenario, imagination can indeed have an impact on reality... [22:10]
Duffer1 worldwide asinine political regimes, religions, violence, ignorance [22:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform on your circumstance, yes. on the reality of the matter, none. [22:10]
francis_wolke MP: I have met some people in so-called 1%. I know what they're like, and what their parents are like. Many of them don't think - but some do. Some actually care that civilization will be around for their decedents to enjoy. [22:11]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke you know this hardly is showing, do you ? [22:11]
Duffer1 my experience is obviously subject (as was my initial statement) but i don't see anyone trying to reverse these trends [22:11]
francis_wolke Though I have no experience with these matters, I can 'imagine' that they make certain sorts of donations etc. [22:11]
francis_wolke Or say that I didn't actually know any of these people. [22:12]
asciilifeform Duffer1: one can easily picture a set of aims that these things, which you aren't particularly fond of, help to advance. [22:12]
asciilifeform 'it's not a bug, it's a feature' (TM) [22:12]
Duffer1 hehe [22:12]
mircea_popescu listen, while i agree with the reverse (ie, indeed reality iwll have some bearing, no matter how tenuous, on your imagination), the reverse is completely baseless. [22:12]
Namworld The requirements to be included in the 1% are low... [22:12]
francis_wolke Okay, cool. [22:12]
asciilifeform in what magic book is it written that '1%' (of what...) is a useful proxy for 'those who rule' [22:13]
mircea_popescu and this is so for very good reasons long explored in the history of thought. [22:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun anecdote : romania's ruler for the 90s decade owner... a house. [22:13]
mircea_popescu "sarac dar cinstit" = poor but honest, ion iliescu, the ex dictator-s golden boy. [22:13]
asciilifeform stalin. owned: a coat. [22:13]
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mircea_popescu indeed, same model. [22:14]
asciilifeform this goes back to the 'what is control' question from earlier, as well as MP's recent discussion of 'owning a cow' [22:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally : http://trilema.com/2014/democracy-and-finance-dont-mix-the-math-involved/#comment-98112 we're having a little dispute there. [22:15]
Duffer1 i missed that one [22:15]
asciilifeform if the only things you can 'own' are those that fit in your coffin, then: stalin owned only an overcoat. and a few coin in his pocket. [22:15]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: Control, with respect to bitcoin, would be whoever has their hand on the 'kill switch'. Assuming that the guy with a nuke is stable. [22:15]
mircea_popescu there is no nor can there ever be such a "kill switch". [22:16]
mircea_popescu *that* is a figment of your imagination, like the tits on the goddesses. [22:16]
asciilifeform there is a 'fuck things up quite a bit' switch, possibly. (as described in my old piece) [22:16]
mircea_popescu surely. [22:16]
asciilifeform whether this amounts to 'kill' is debatable. [22:16]
mircea_popescu i do that to women occasionally. they generally love it. [22:16]
asciilifeform and depends as much on herd psychology as anything else. [22:16]
asciilifeform it's rather like, say you were permitted to squeeze off one shot from a small arm at your enemy. does this amount to 'kill switch'? what if you miss? what if he's got a tough hide. [22:17]
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francis_wolke Agreed. [22:18]
francis_wolke Control, with respect to society, is an emergent phenomenon. That being said, the Manhattan Project happened. [22:18]
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mircea_popescu francis_wolke http://t.co/pwAThtM4MP << you know that's broken right ? [22:19]
francis_wolke In secret no less. [22:19]
asciilifeform i tend to agree with MP and others who conclude that we no longer live in a world where manhattan projects happen. [22:19]
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francis_wolke mircea_popescu: It's not broken for me. http://francis-.github.io/ [22:20]
asciilifeform the necessary human material is no longer readily available. just as the metals with which the SR-71 was built no longer are. [22:20]
mircea_popescu http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://francis-.github.io/ [22:20]
mircea_popescu stubborn cat is he. [22:20]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: If you have a reading list to support this claim, I'd be happy to read it. [22:20]
asciilifeform it loads from here [22:20]
asciilifeform mebbe it's cached at ft. meade. [22:21]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: Must have been cached. (Though you already knew that) my bad. [22:21]
mircea_popescu lol interesting [22:21]
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pankkake francis-.github.io resolves, but firefox does not like the name [22:21]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure -. is nonrfc [22:21]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: which claim ? [22:21]
francis_wolke There is nothing interesting there anyway. Just an 'about' with one sentence. [22:22]
pankkake nor does lynx [22:22]
pankkake but chrome does [22:22]
mircea_popescu see, this is why we need standards. [22:22]
mircea_popescu so we can all agree on things. [22:22]
mircea_popescu like for instance now, we can agree that wtf. [22:22]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: That we're living in a world without Manhattan projects. [22:22]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: Actually, I'd be interested in a reading list irrespective of that. [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform now you're screwed, it looks like you'll have to write that article [22:23]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: Same goes for you. [22:23]
mircea_popescu o no, i'm eight million words ahead in this game. [22:23]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: i doubt that i, personally, could prove this claim to your satisfaction. [22:23]
asciilifeform it is merely a strong conjecture. [22:23]
asciilifeform proving non-existence is generally non-trivial. [22:24]
asciilifeform except in the purely mathematical scenarios. [22:24]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke let's consider a simpler alternative. obama fdr and lincoln all broke the law, grossly. in all cases the courts duly signed off on this. [22:24]
mircea_popescu in the first case, the guy was able to cause civil war. [22:24]
mircea_popescu in the second case, the guy was able to cause massive resource redistribution [22:25]
mircea_popescu in the third case, the guy was able to not cause anything outside of measurement error. [22:25]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: you want a good read: "The Art of Not Being Governed." (James C. Scott) [22:25]
asciilifeform (book-length, high-quality treatise on the exact recipes whereby humans are corralled and milked) [22:26]
mircea_popescu the reason of course being ideological convergence, which happens because of the law of large numbers : [22:26]
mircea_popescu when you have simple ideologies, you have much easier coherence. thus activity with greatly leveraged effect. [22:26]
mircea_popescu as things progress the complexity of ideology grows and so grows the number of boxes in which we put balls. soon enough you have no box with over X balls. [22:27]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: Thanks. [22:27]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: as for the absence of 'modern manhattan project', let's attack that one head-on [22:28]
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francis_wolke mircea_popescu: I fail to see how this leads to a USG without Manhattan projects. [22:28]
asciilifeform for instance, you appear to consider seriously the possibility of 'radical life extension tech' being presently in covert use. [22:28]
asciilifeform do i understand correctly? [22:28]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: No [22:28]
mircea_popescu maybe we don't mean the same thing by manhattan projects. what's your definition ? [22:29]
francis_wolke err. sorry [22:29]
francis_wolke asciilifeform:no [22:29]
francis_wolke A large scale, important project, developed in secret by USG. [22:29]
mircea_popescu right. [22:29]
mircea_popescu the limits on the largeness of scale and importance are placed by said law of large numbers. [22:29]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: further reading. GRU report based on U.S. silver purchases in 1941-43. [22:30]
mircea_popescu when the options are a1, a2, you will out of a population of 100mn find 50 people able to keep secret X [22:30]
asciilifeform (manhattan project was no secret to GRU.) [22:30]
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mircea_popescu when the options are a1, an you will not find out of a population of k, k [22:30]
mircea_popescu which is why the fsb does not have documents leaked, in spite of it sucking, [22:31]
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mircea_popescu whereas the nsa is leaked yearly, in spite of supposedly being better. [22:31]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: Okay? [22:31]
mircea_popescu russia is less "civilised" which means more convergent ideologically. [22:32]
asciilifeform it is very easy to draw mistaken conclusions from the fact that the 'man on the street' was entirely unaware of manhattan p. (or 'operation gladio', for a more recent example) [22:32]
asciilifeform but it does not follow that either was a 'perfect secret' [22:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought we were strictly discussing secrets as "man in the street" affairs. [22:32]
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asciilifeform keeping a secret from the man on the street is trivial. often, you could run his nose in it and it will stay 'secret.' [22:33]
mircea_popescu well not THAT man in the street. not the mobile vulgus, the beasts of the field, strictly interesting for their flesh, the cockroaches in your fabled ny apartment. [22:33]
asciilifeform betcha if you plucked the quasi-mythical Pill Against RSA from its Indiana Jones subterranean vault, perhaps six people alive would understand what they are looking at were it shown to them. [22:33]
mircea_popescu the actual man, ie, the middle class man. [22:33]
mircea_popescu a "reasonably intelligent observer" [22:34]
asciilifeform phun phact: many of the still-officially-secret docs from manhattan proj. are available in dead-tree print - in russian, naturally. [22:34]
asciilifeform any moron can waltz into a russian academic bookstore and buy all he can eat. [22:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and legal to import into the us in your luggage, but then again illegal to export [22:35]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of which, are PGP tattoos still in fashion, i wonder. [22:35]
asciilifeform 'i am a controlled munition.' [22:35]
mircea_popescu lol [22:36]
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mircea_popescu they never got far, i imagine cause they're so hard to make and unwieldy to weart [22:36]
asciilifeform if i recall it was the perl version [22:37]
asciilifeform <100 chars. or so. [22:37]
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mircea_popescu your average tattoo "artist" doesn't do so well with letters. [22:37]
asciilifeform haha that'd be hilarious in the pgp case [22:37]
asciilifeform idiot hipster asks for pgp tattoo, gets rot-13. [22:38]
mircea_popescu lol [22:38]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: To clarify, I'd imagine that anyone with enough money / power would be interested in the possiblity of radical life extension (Peter Theil, MP, Satoshi) if / when the tech is there. As such, if I were smart enough to create btc, I'd certainly team up with the most powerful country, so that if the tech does get 'there', I'll be ready. [22:38]
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mircea_popescu why do you think so ? i wouldn't personally be interested in such. [22:39]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: phun phact. my first paying job was 'activate somatic telomerase.' project croaked from utter lack of the necessary depth of understanding. [22:39]
francis_wolke Phun phact indeed. [22:40]
asciilifeform (and, not simply mine) [22:40]
mircea_popescu i mean marginally, like i'm interested in whatever new chick takes her top off, but otherwise... [22:40]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: You wouldn't opt for another 400 years? [22:40]
mircea_popescu that aside, i do believe we'll probably be the first immortal generation, [22:40]
mircea_popescu and probably rue the day. [22:40]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke doing what ? [22:41]
pankkake doing girls 300 years younger [22:41]
mircea_popescu srsly now. [22:41]
francis_wolke ha. [22:41]
mircea_popescu i first retired aged 24. i came back because i got bored out of my mind. [22:41]
mircea_popescu i got lucky, cause btc came around, but how many cycles do you think i can take ? [22:42]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: I don't know you well enough to say. [22:42]
mircea_popescu well nobody does, but still. [22:42]
asciilifeform immortality is a tricky beast - biology aside! the life expectancy of a daily wash. d.c. beltway driver is maybe 200 years. [22:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how'd you figure that ?! [22:42]
asciilifeform accident stats. a debatable figure, could be off by as much as 10x. [22:43]
mircea_popescu lmao ok [22:43]
asciilifeform (naturally, gedankenexperiment assumes an eternal and unchanging beltway, etc.) [22:43]
mircea_popescu right. [22:43]
benkay http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=26001ed [22:44]
mircea_popescu beltway, bellyway, errything. [22:44]
ozbot dishes [22:44]
asciilifeform could just as well calculate the life of a somali pirate, or oil driller. [22:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the lifespan of a redditard ? [22:44]
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benkay mircea_popescu: on the subject of the feed you've been yammering at me about [22:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: depends! is he in an oubliette where he belongs? [22:44]
asciilifeform in Butugichag? [22:45]
mircea_popescu benkay tiikoni and tis. you tease you. what happened to cunny and tits ? [22:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in his mom's basementichag [22:45]
francis_wolke Still not sure why you both think we live in a world devoid of Manhattan projects btw. [22:45]
asciilifeform (lifespan of a strong man in B. was reportedly six months.) [22:45]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke but you never engaged my argument at all. [22:45]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, the romans used the salt mines (in transylvania) to much the same effect. [22:46]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: You simply don't have to tell all that many people when you're creating a new currency - and even if you do, who is going to listen? [22:46]
mircea_popescu "go fight in the arena for glory or rot in turda salt mine boi" [22:46]
asciilifeform 'glorious secret undertakings like Manhattan p. carry on' is quite similar of a hypothesis to 'god exists' [22:46]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke but a new currency isn't a manhattan project. [22:46]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: Ah - but that's what I'm getting at - I think it was. [22:47]
mircea_popescu creating a new currency is like fucking an altar boy. nobody needs to know anything. [22:47]
benkay francis_wolke: have you read the source? [22:47]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: you believe that it was? or believe that it must have been. [22:47]
mircea_popescu a manhattan project is like escavating a tunnel under the nunnery. [22:47]
asciilifeform which is it [22:47]
mircea_popescu plenty of people need to know [22:47]
francis_wolke benkay: I have not. [22:47]
benkay sophisticated engineering project it ain't [22:47]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:47]
asciilifeform i'm perfectly willing to listen to evidence that 'was'. but 'must have been' is absurd. [22:48]
benkay not broken, for sure [22:48]
benkay crypto minds deployed against it, for sure [22:48]
benkay rigorous engineering? [22:48]
benkay notrly. [22:48]
mircea_popescu if every great painting in history is a manhattan project then venice and the low countries own the us in manhattanness, srsly. [22:48]
mircea_popescu who knew. [22:48]
benkay venice et al pwn the us anyways [22:48]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: I don't believe anything. I'm asking here because you all know more than I. [22:48]
mircea_popescu benkay diff discussion :) [22:48]
pankkake bitcoin, the first released version, was certainly written by one lone guy [22:48]
mircea_popescu A large scale, important project, developed in secret by USG. << how does bitcoin meet any of your criteria ? [22:49]
asciilifeform francis_wolke: suggested exercise: invent something fundamental. [22:49]
mircea_popescu it's neither large scale nor important in that context. [22:49]
asciilifeform then you will know what it feels like to be a perfect 'conspiracy' of one man. [22:49]
mircea_popescu pankkake with a tenuous grasp of c practice. [22:49]
asciilifeform you'll have thoughts like 'wtf. how is it that only one man can know something' [22:49]
dexX7 mircea_popesu: yea, i guess it's not very accurate, but interesting to see an estimate [22:49]
francis_wolke asciilifeform: Fair enough. [22:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i loved dame dench. "Be careful with my name, or you may wear it out!" [22:51]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: See my gist. However, I think that it's clear I need to read the Bitcoin sources and more history. The 'reasoning' in said gist may not correspond to reality. [22:52]
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mircea_popescu in a world where every "idea" is in fact chewed and spit and chewed so many times by so many generations by now all that's left is the spit itself, in which vaguely one can recognise the marks left by the spit of whoever long ago, in the manner new spits mix today because of the presence of that old saliva of yore, [22:53]
mircea_popescu the notion of fresh produce is indeed imponderable. [22:53]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke actual link ? [22:53]
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francis_wolke mircea_popescu: https://gist.github.com/francis-/34ac1e35e1de283da258 [22:53]
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mircea_popescu fucking teleomeres. [22:54]
mjr_ whats up all [22:54]
mircea_popescu half the time when i select something a final char is omitted [22:54]
benkay yo mjr_ what's up [22:54]
mircea_popescu " Anyone intelligent enough to create Bitcoin will have aligned themselves with some sort of governmental body." << this is a weak assumption. [22:54]
mjr_ very weak mircea_popescu [22:55]
benkay mircea_popescu: i pointed this out already. [22:55]
mjr_ benkay: whats up [22:55]
mircea_popescu ello mjr_ [22:55]
mjr_ i just got the coolest new domain [22:55]
mjr_ i'm quite proud of it [22:55]
mircea_popescu benkay so that makes 2 :) [22:55]
benkay hackin migration scripts, watching the babe do dishes in heels [22:55]
mjr_ longtermcryptomanagement.com, longtermcryptomgmt.com and ltcmgmt.com [22:55]
mircea_popescu "A group of people associated with multiple world powers." << no. actual internationalisation happened in 2013, was announced on trilema. [22:55]
benkay well, sweeping now but general domesticity. what's the domain? [22:55]
mjr_ restarting a brand new LTCM [22:56]
benkay litecoin management lol mjr_ [22:56]
mjr_ no no [22:56]
mjr_ long term crypto [22:56]
benkay that's what i read [22:56]
benkay nope [22:56]
benkay you're in the litecoin biz nao [22:56]
mircea_popescu mjr_ they're not that great. [22:56]
mjr_ hahaha [22:56]
mjr_ its mostly a joke mircea_popescu [22:56]
mircea_popescu o o [22:56]
benkay i think the ltcmgmt is great! [22:56]
mjr_ anyone who knows LTCM will find it prety funny [22:56]
mircea_popescu "and Israel" << wtf ?! how do you reason francis_wolke ? [22:56]
mircea_popescu "and the remaining states are all allies of the US" < ahaha what! [22:57]
mjr_ but i plan on using it as a private consulting company for btcshares.com [22:57]
mjr_ did you guys see that guy from btc shop? [22:57]
mircea_popescu i guess required reading http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ [22:57]
benkay if you'd read the gist it woulda saved so much time mircea_popescu [22:57]
benkay you could've jumped straight to the mockery! [22:57]
mjr_ went public on the pink sheets...as i was recommending bitcoin companies do a year ago [22:57]
mjr_ ^^ [22:57]
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mircea_popescu "it's disposal" that's not how you spell the possesive. [22:58]
mircea_popescu "neigh-impossible" << what is this, cockney ?! [22:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform who's this guy ? [22:58]
* benkay whinnies [22:58]
mjr_ hahaha [22:58]
mjr_ i've missed chatting with you guys [22:59]
mircea_popescu "Even if the initial miners in the "Satoshi Gang" were not initially part of the USG - they would be hunted down and forced to turn over their Bitcoin at gunpoint." oh for the love of christ. [22:59]
mjr_ do you have the link handy for the romania trip? [22:59]
mircea_popescu mjr_ the conference you mea n? [22:59]
mjr_ yes [22:59]
benkay mjr_: pm [22:59]
mjr_ i am starting to try and make plans [22:59]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ [22:59]
ozbot The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:59]
mjr_ thanks so much [23:00]
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mircea_popescu francis_wolke your git is nonsense. [23:00]
mircea_popescu and somewhat related : [23:00]
mircea_popescu Dolchstoßlegende is the notion, widely believed in right-wing circles in Germany after 1918, that the German Army did not lose World War I but was instead betrayed by the civilians on the home front, especially the republicans who overthrew the monarchy. Advocates denounced the German government leaders who signed the Armistice on November 11, 1918, as the "November Criminals" (German: Novemberverbrecher). [23:00]
francis_wolke mircea_popescu: I read the logs. My wifi died. [23:01]
mircea_popescu now, can we transpose the manhattan argument in terms of novemberverbrecher argument ? [23:01]
mircea_popescu ie, could we say the same things we say of our current fashion (ie, large scale tech project) about yesteryear's fashion ? [23:01]
mircea_popescu (ie, large scale political project) [23:01]
francis_wolke I'm not following. [23:02]
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mircea_popescu the only difference being that in the 2000s humanity is fed by technology, whereas in 1900 it was fed by politics, which meant, of course, deploying the force of arms to acquire wealth. [23:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who's this guy << no idea. seems to read my site at least occasionally. [23:03]
mircea_popescu francis_wolke you'll ahve to put that in the form of a question. [23:03]
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francis_wolke mircea_popescu: One sec, reading your blogpost. [23:03]
mircea_popescu no rush really, #bitcoin-assets is eternal [23:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform keeps giving us these immortality pills, we'll be here forever. [23:04]
ThickAsThieves someone likes the BitBet layout: https://fairlay.com/ [23:06]
mircea_popescu ahahaha fair lay! [23:06]
mircea_popescu speaking of lays : benkay take the girls pic, post it, have her come by i'll give her a bitcoin so she can build her independent wealth. [23:06]
mircea_popescu (in heels, doing housework, obviously) [23:07]
benkay that was her! [23:07]
benkay she's already on payroll over here. [23:07]
benkay although if you foot the bill for travel to romania you can have a go at talking her into your dungeon. [23:08]
pankkake https://fairlay.com/bet/registered/new/ethereum-talk-10-000-views-on-youtube/ how can this be approved :/ [23:08]
ozbot Bet on: Ethereum talk > 10.000 views on YouTube [23:08]
pankkake fake views are so cheap [23:08]
mircea_popescu benkay i normally talk girls out of it not into it. [23:09]
mircea_popescu and what "that" ? [23:09]
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mircea_popescu pankkake it's a fair lay lmao [23:09]
benkay the tikooni [23:10]
mjr_ mircea_popescu: [23:10]
mjr_ it is prevailing market rates of 1760? [23:10]
mircea_popescu o srsly ? /me actually clicks the link then [23:10]
mjr_ has that been edited? i seem to remember 10 bitcoin price, not sure if i am remembering wrong [23:10]
benkay psh [23:10]
mircea_popescu mjr_ sorry ? [23:11]
mircea_popescu benkay you know i have the exact bowl ? [23:11]
mircea_popescu fucking chinese. [23:12]
benkay mircea_popescu: that's a strainer. [23:12]
mircea_popescu i see no holes ?! [23:12]
mjr_ mircea_popescu: i thought the fee was 10 bitcoins for VIP, not that I am complaining, I just haven't looked in a while [23:12]
mjr_ and i was under that impression [23:13]
mircea_popescu nah it always was X at time of payment, [23:13]
benkay it's a low-rez jpeg and they're small! [23:13]
mjr_ ah cool [23:13]
mircea_popescu happened to be 10 btc at that time [23:13]
mircea_popescu wow. ok nm then! [23:13]
mjr_ i am planning on going, and will get the payment in b4 the ides of march [23:13]
mjr_ have to check my schedule real quick but it should be fine [23:13]
mircea_popescu i was going to go "oh, the blessings of romanian living, i just drained a bottle of tuica out of my barrel in the cellar now i have nicely cold tuica", but i guess i should pass. [23:14]
benkay not moving to argentina, i gather. [23:16]
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mircea_popescu who knows these things. [23:16]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform let me ask you this : are you gathering lots of information about the early days of bitcoin by extensively watching the altcoin chain, tracking txns etc ? [23:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on and off. [23:17]
mircea_popescu gedankenexperiment : you are the usg. [23:17]
asciilifeform not terribly actively in recent times, got, well, other things on me plate. [23:17]
mircea_popescu exactly. [23:17]
mircea_popescu could you have been a one man conspiracy to take it all over ? certainly. did you ? no. why not ? well...because of soft constraints. [23:19]
mircea_popescu this is what they are, this is how they work. [23:19]
asciilifeform everyone likes to imagine that there lives a hero. [23:20]
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mircea_popescu sure. and i see no problem with that, as you know, conversation. [23:20]
mircea_popescu reality however... [23:20]
mircea_popescu you gotta actually do it for it to be done. coulding have done it ain't military grade. [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21612 @ 0.00087425 = 18.8943 BTC [+] {4} [23:21]
mircea_popescu epic shit this, i've already derived more value from it than doge ever was worth. [23:22]
mircea_popescu benkay anyway, nice girl, happy times! [23:24]
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benkay mmm yes. [23:48]
benkay happy times. [23:48]
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deanclkclk anyone around? [23:56]
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deanclkclk are there any alternatives to okpay which accepts fiat on behalf of exchanges? [23:56]
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mircea_popescu deanclkclk not really. [23:57]
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mircea_popescu exchanges currently seem to have a lot of problems, but if you trust any one you are best served by asking them what they can process [23:58]
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