Forum logs for 13 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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nubbins`	nod, good point	[00:01]
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ThickAsThieves	i wonder if there are also less wallets with most of the bitcoin in them now	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	that came out weird	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if fewer addresses hold a high qty of coins	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	than, say, 6mos ago	[00:04]
nubbins`	you'd think big wallets would get broken up over time	[00:04]
nubbins`	rather than the opposite	[00:04]
nubbins`	but who knows!	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	i would think same	[00:06]
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ThickAsThieves	merely to not have the attention of "Top 50" lists and the like	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00395 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2}	[00:07]
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nubbins`	"Cohen was very briefly a member of the Church of Scientology, which he had heard was a 'good place to meet women.'"	[00:13]
nubbins`	lel	[00:13]
wao-ender	M	[00:15]
wao-ender	<3	[00:15]
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nubbins`	i tell ya, man	[00:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0061 = 0.1098 BTC [+]	[00:20]
nubbins`	the guy really speaks to me	[00:20]
nubbins`	http://www.leonardcohen.com/us/music/songs-leonard-cohen/stranger-song	[00:20]
ozbot	The Stranger Song \| The Official Leonard Cohen Site	[00:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 847 @ 0.00016177 = 0.137 BTC [+] {9}	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	KRS1 ass notrly, unless they're dirty sluts. cunt sure.	[00:21]
nubbins`	better chance of the room smelling like dick from the two dudes who show up	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ended up in some zen thing	[00:23]
nubbins`	way it goes	[00:23]
nubbins`	got a stack full of cohen vinyl behind me and i'm sitting here humming it to myself	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	he's great.	[00:24]
nubbins`	"And you say ok the bridge or someplace later."	[00:24]
nubbins`	just fuckin words	[00:24]
nubbins`	but they send a shiver up my spine every time	[00:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093181 = 0.4659 BTC [+]	[00:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00399999 = 0.48 BTC [+]	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	nubbins` you ever hear PJ Harvey's album, Dry?	[00:35]
nubbins`	haven't listened to much pj harvey altho i've got a few friends that are really into her	[00:35]
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ThickAsThieves	you might like the old stuff	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	Dry is my favorite by far	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	Rid of Me is decent too	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	she got too polished after those	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	i think I've already recommend Greg MacPherson to you too	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	he's Canadian	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	again the older stuff is better, newer stuff drifting into being too music driven	[00:38]
Duffer1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_PfwVNmckc	[00:38]
ozbot	Tom Waits - Silent Night & Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis.mpg - YouTube	[00:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00081889 = 20.1037 BTC [-]	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	and of course I must also recommend David Bazan and Jets to Brazil	[00:42]
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ThickAsThieves	again, the older the album the better	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	the older the better huh	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	what exactly is it in contemporaneity that fucks everything over.	[00:44]
nubbins`	signal to noise ratio	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	i think there are many forces that make this happen	[00:44]
nubbins`	there's still amazing music being made, it's just harder to find	[00:44]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	usually the earlier albums have had much longer to bake	[00:45]
nubbins`	well, this too	[00:45]
nubbins`	there are plenty of old albums that are shit	[00:45]
ThickAsThieves	more depression and emotion went into them as well	[00:45]
nubbins`	we just don't remember them ;D	[00:45]
ThickAsThieves	i do feel depression is a great muse	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy2M_tzB20M	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	other stressful emotions too	[00:46]
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ThickAsThieves	i used to have all this music in me, but then i stopped binge drinking and dating and working for the man	[00:47]
Neil	ThickAsThieves: regarding # addresses with large coin - it's very stable; I've been tracking it. There is a small downtrend except for the top 500 which has been in uptrend	[00:47]
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ThickAsThieves	interesting	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	because why ?	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	why be a target	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	what gain would it have otherwise	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	dude, you gotta asume your status in the world.	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	do i?	[00:49]
Neil	Lots of outputs of size around what you spend is what you want; what's someone gonna do with a 5K address apart from break it up again?	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	am i not?	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	well whats this "be a target" bs.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	a target of what ? public worship ?	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	public jealousy	[00:50]
Neil	mircea_popescu: Does the Romanian govt not bother you? Are they not interested tax-wise in your activities?	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	wtf use do i have to be in these people's heads	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the reason they're a problem is that their heads are full of shit.	[00:51]
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ThickAsThieves	and seeing me on a list would affect that?	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	Neil i have no idea what you're asking. bother me ? why would it bother me. it's my government, it does my laundry.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves just discussing the more general point. why should you be in their heads ? because you're cool, and they aren't./	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	it seems the shitheads would rather tear down and be in denial about those above them while observing	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	so then let them try.	[00:53]
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mircea_popescu	prepare the batons, beat them bloody.	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	or not!	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	whose world is it, yours or theirs ?	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	no one's?	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	i dont know	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	it's gotta be someone's.	[00:53]
nubbins`	nah	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	all i know is that anyone that might care how much coin I have, i cared too, i'd show em	[00:54]
nubbins`	all an illusion	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	if i*	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	well sure	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	i dont see you sharing your addresses anyway!	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	occasionally.	[00:55]
ThickAsThieves	why not openly?	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	spank us with your superiority	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	own your world	[00:56]
Duffer1	i thought that's what trilema was for	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	dont give him an out	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: You've got to make some openly know, others less openly known. Just in case someone with the means for abduction possesses a soldering iron.	[00:56]
Duffer1	:P	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	lol he really got butthurt.	[00:56]
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mircea_popescu	what, srsly, does it look to you like i ain't ?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	"Odi Kosmatos 2m @bitcoinpete @Mircea_Popescu (previous knee-jerk tweet deleted) Hi Mircea, are you the guy who thinks everyone else is stupid? Appropriate!"	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	no just surprised i didnt note the hypocrisy til now	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	what's so hypocratical about it!	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	i think i already pointed out what	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	you are not practicing what you are preaching	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	but i dun see it, i mean what exactly ? mpex has at least one well known inbound address, it shows however many btc	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#555879	[00:58]
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ThickAsThieves	cmon	[00:58]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	what!	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	you say why not be on a list of top holders, show the shitheads the world is yours	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	well, show us	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	if not, why not?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	...	[00:59]
Neil	mircea_popescu: You mix wallets right? Inbound on bitbet could be outbound on mpex and vice versa.	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Aren't his MPOE holdings largely public?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	Neil notrly.	[00:59]
Neil	BingoBoingo: MPOE holdings aren't BTC.	[00:59]
pizzaman1337	BingoBoingo: but MPOE holdings are only "paper" BTC, not actual btc	[00:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.66964413 BTC to 21`469 shares, 7777 satoshi per share	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	he makes no concrete statement as to what belongs to what	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	an mpex addy could be for the members	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 so that substantially changes anything ?	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	no one really knows how many btc mp has or claims to have	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#msg3449849	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	which was exactly the topic	[01:00]
ozbot	Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	there, how bad is that.	[01:00]
pizzaman1337	mircea_popescu: yeah, because in practice it can't all be turned into real btc at market rates	[01:00]
Neil	mircea_popescu: Coz you spent a huge output for the big payout on bitbet; it wasn't an input to anything plausible on bitbet in its history. So bitbet's wallet it definitely being mixed with something else - yours or mpoe's or ...	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	that i dont want anyone to know what i have in that context	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	Neil bitbet had 500+ bets iirc. how much was this ?	[01:01]
Neil	1800	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	the context being a list of wallet addresses	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	not a forum post of market caps	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i think you prolly took an angle of what i said and run off with it.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	ran*	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	if that;s how you wanna play it	[01:02]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm not gonna beat a dead horse over it	[01:02]
Neil	https://blockchain.info/tx/b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	just funny	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	i wasn't even aware im playin.	[01:02]
Neil	1868 from a single addy	[01:02]
ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	it's more fun to me to not know anyway	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	knowing doesnt really matter, to me at least	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	Neil that's just a function of how the payouts on large bets work.	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	i believe you have plenty	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	this was the diff bet no ?	[01:03]
Neil	mircea_popescu: Meaning what exactly?	[01:03]
Neil	Doesn't seem to me that came from people betting on bitbet; that's my only point.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/address/1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN	[01:04]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	that address often disburses payouts. it's like an outbound gateway	[01:04]
Neil	One of the inputs to that address used for the payout was 4368 BTC; which is like 40% of bitbet volume at that time...	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves anyway, it wasn't some sort of "omg you're a bad person", it was more of a "why the fuck would you be shy of the world. fuck em."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	Neil yeah bitbet got seeded originally, so as to build this situation it enjoys today where it has a large pool.	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	i think i came off more defensive than i actually am	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	mtgox runs on 1/4 of deposits, bitbet runs on 4x. fractional reserve ftw.	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	you asked why be shy, i said why, you said yeah but, then i asked well why are you shy?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	seems kinda nutty to ask me why i'm shy dunnit ?	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	because im too over the top as is.	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	not sure what that means	[01:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00608 = 0.1763 BTC [-]	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	well it's good enough, i'll use this as a convenient reference to show that at least one person in zee werld thinks im shy.	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	i mean i know you do your part to spank the idiots and seize your day	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	but that doesnt exactly explain why me not showing addresses is questionable	[01:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00607997 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2}	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	nor why you dont either	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	the exact implementation is left as an exercise to the reader	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such << this is the line that sparked the discussion	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	it's not some sort of technical explanation of address showing.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	it's just a general point about being known as such.	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	and i further qualified it	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	with not wanting to be a target	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	fuck em.	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	sure	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean literally.	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	but why arent you fucking them	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	...	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	with your address	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	no matter how we cut it, a reason can be distilled	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	why am i not fucking them in particular X manner you'd prefer ? because i'm me.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	what of it.	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	one which you are dancing around	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	i'm only asking because i suspect your reasons arent much different than mine	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	if at all	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	like how ?	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	like you;'d prefer people not know exactly how much coin you have and what addy you keep it in	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	if it's even one	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	these are reasons ?	[01:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 41 @ 0.041 = 1.681 BTC [+]	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	no they are motivations	[01:14]
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ThickAsThieves	to not share the info	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	we're just dancing anyway, i don't see any other way to interpret this	[01:16]
pizzaman1337	flirting	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	weird. wild.	[01:17]
ThickAsThieves	whether i am perfectly articulating my case, or presenting it in the exact way to get a straight answer, you do know what I am saying	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	nowai. srsly ?	[01:17]
ThickAsThieves	if i am remotely accurate in my estimation of your intelligence, yes	[01:18]
ThickAsThieves	i guess it does usually take a lot of kicking and screaming on the occassions you do give in though... so maybe i'm wring	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	wrong*	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	tbh what i perceive is the matter here is that you live in an environment where poor black dudes stare you down as a daily routine, and i just said "da fuck is this, you stare THEM down mothefucker! they're poor, not you" which created a little disonance	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[01:20]
mdwu	what is the difference between a poor and rich person besides their net worth?	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	even if that's what it boiled down to	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	the reason the conversation continued,	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	mdwu that the poor person likely sucks.	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	is searching for why your reasons for hiding are different	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	that hiding'd be entirely of your projection.	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	then why is it you do not display your coins	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	this is not a projection on my part	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	it's what I observe	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	but to some degree i do.	[01:22]
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pizzaman1337	this is just a striptease to see MP's bitcoin dick. We can't be impressed without a little build-up.	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i'm just ignorant and everyone knows your addies but me, and youre just fucking with me	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know the mpex addy, neh ?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i just made a comment re the bitbet addies, you can tally those up, they're published	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	ive dug up some in the past	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	its in the faq innit ?	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	i dont believe there is a known addy that is definitively your coins	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	just company ones	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	which i assume also represent user funds	[01:24]
asciilifeform	what useful thing could one hope to achieve by dropping pants and publicly displaying bitcock?	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	this was my initial question as well	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the usual purpose one obtains doing that lol.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	fucking something or the other	[01:25]
asciilifeform	seems like a proposition that's purely lose-lose, like sticking hand in a bear trap.	[01:25]
ThickAsThieves	the answer i got was essentially to put idiots in their place	[01:25]
asciilifeform	you might do it to demonstrate an indestructible robotic prosthesis, but otherwise it's pointless	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	we weren't actually discussing that, i dun think.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	somehow the entire show me your cock thing got shoehorn into a slightly different discusison	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	for w/e reason.	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	like i said before, youve got a reason for not publishing your personal wealth, if you dont want to say the reason, that's fine	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	but just say that	[01:26]
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ThickAsThieves	dont make it like you are and arent at the same time	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	going back to the forum link in question... it's reasonably published	[01:27]
mdwu	MP: will you turn mpex options back on at some point? or is it gone for good?	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	mdwu once there's a usable, meaningful spot yeah	[01:28]
mdwu	did you turn it off because it was too much hassle to hedge the big short order last money?	[01:29]
*	ThickAsThieves gives up.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	didja read the feb report ?	[01:29]
mdwu	last month*	[01:29]
mdwu	yeah	[01:29]
Duffer1	so.. i'm on the phone with Lilliput now should i cancel the gang or not?	[01:29]
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mircea_popescu	mdwu well that's about all that's been said on the topic.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 is that like the island next to blehFU ?	[01:30]
Duffer1	yea	[01:30]
Duffer1	perhaps a bit too obscure to be funny :P	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	what was Apocalyptic's exchange, bt-x ?	[01:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00082029 = 11.5661 BTC [+]	[01:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: x-bt.com	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	http://bt-c.com/	[01:34]
ozbot	BT Company	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	check out the lamborghini textiles	[01:34]
asciilifeform	s/lamb/trabamb	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	ironically these may be the genuine article.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	ie, actual lohn provider with a dumbass website.	[01:36]
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bitcoinpete	"Exotic dancers are flocking here from as far away as Russia for the same reason as everyone else - to make their fortune in a place known as Kuwait on the Prairie."	[01:54]
bitcoinpete	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25983917	[01:55]
ozbot	BBC News - North Dakota oil boom: American Dream on ice	[01:55]
bitcoinpete	"Strippers can earn $2,500 (£1,500) per shift here, says a bouncer."	[01:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15870 @ 0.00081992 = 13.0121 BTC [-] {2}	[01:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00012875 = 0.209 BTC [-] {9}	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	strippers can earn a coupla k's per shift anywhere, wtf.	[02:00]
Diablo-D3	yeah thats like	[02:03]
Diablo-D3	half what a good stripper can do in nyc	[02:03]
Diablo-D3	a third what a good stripper in LA can do	[02:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0039 = 0.2145 BTC [-] {3}	[02:04]
bitcoinpete	The difference: competition	[02:04]
Diablo-D3	yeah, theres way more of it in nyc and la	[02:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.093181 = 0.3727 BTC [+]	[02:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0062381 = 0.1185 BTC [-]	[02:08]
nubbins`	twist: mp has no personal wealth and pays his harem w/ mpoe stock	[02:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00081889 = 16.0093 BTC [-]	[02:13]
nubbins`	^ that was one of 'em buying some shoes	[02:13]
benkay	nice shoes.	[02:13]
nubbins`	well more than one pair obv	[02:14]
nubbins`	save on shipping, y'know?	[02:14]
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herbijudlestoids	hullo	[02:16]
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herbijudlestoids	just dropped in to make sure youre all behaving :)	[02:16]
nubbins`	barely	[02:16]
ThickAsThieves	as best we can	[02:16]
ThickAsThieves	nubbins` mp lost all the coinz on gox i guess	[02:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00081803 = 17.5876 BTC [-] {2}	[02:17]
nubbins`	lel	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	16 btc gets you some cool shoes	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids how goes ?	[02:18]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/12/oklahoma-fox-station-removes-evolution-from-cosmos-by-cutting-only-15-seconds/	[02:18]
ozbot	Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from ‘Cosmos’ by cutting only 15 seconds \| The Raw Sto	[02:18]
asciilifeform	;;ticker --ask --currency USD	[02:20]
gribble	633.99	[02:20]
asciilifeform	;;calc 633.99 * 16.0093	[02:21]
gribble	10149.736107	[02:21]
asciilifeform	;;calc 10149.736107 / 6.53	[02:22]
gribble	1554.32405926	[02:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [+]	[02:23]
asciilifeform	;;calc 10149.736107 / 682.24	[02:23]
gribble	14.8770756728	[02:23]
asciilifeform	ok, enough for a silver toilet.	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Christian-Louboutin-Snakilta-Spiked-Red-Sole-Ankle-Boot-Black-Matte-Shoes/prod162100114_cat39620738__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.jsp%253FitemId%253Dcat39620738%2526pageSize%253D30%2526No%253D0%2526refinements%253D&eItemId=prod162100114&cmCat=product	[02:24]
ozbot	Request Rejected	[02:24]
asciilifeform	or a public room full of copper ones...	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	lolwut	[02:24]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/208sss/say_hello_to_2014_bitcointalk_i_created/	[02:24]
ozbot	Say Hello to 2014, Bitcointalk. I created Bitcointa.lk, a real alternative to Bitcointalk.org. 5 mil	[02:24]
nubbins`	smh	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	jpcham made it i think	[02:24]
nubbins`	not sure why	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	me either	[02:24]
nubbins`	heh.	[02:25]
nubbins`	well then!	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	i think he wanted to solve the content problem	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	by copying all of it	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	but feels almost more hollow for it	[02:25]
nubbins`	maybe he can add content from goat's private forum too	[02:25]
cazalla	default xenforo.. impressive	[02:26]
*	nubbins` nods	[02:27]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/4s70vPm.jpg	[02:29]
benkay	lawlz	[02:29]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: yea good thx. big business coming in now	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	cool./	[02:30]
benkay	jcpham mirror the goatforum too	[02:30]
herbijudlestoids	about to deploy a very very very large IaaS cloud	[02:30]
herbijudlestoids	how about yall	[02:30]
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nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4odIPqfh6I	[02:33]
ozbot	Big Business - 'Here Come The Waterworks' (Full Album HD) - YouTube	[02:33]
nubbins`	two of these guys are in the melvins	[02:33]
nubbins`	don't bother clicking ;(	[02:33]
herbijudlestoids	i cant wait to be rich, so i can finally get a seat on mpex	[02:33]
nubbins`	heh	[02:34]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/gitagovinda/statuses/443741163682418688	[02:34]
ozbot	Twitter / gitagovinda: .@coreypein wants to post this ...	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	wont be long nao	[02:34]
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BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Have you considered getting back into ATC trading?	[02:34]
nubbins`	hahah	[02:35]
nubbins`	bingo, :0	[02:35]
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BingoBoingo	Spread's gotten closer https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc	[02:35]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: no time for such shenanigans	[02:36]
nubbins`	"The Brighton-based Argus took a question from a reader obsessed with the fragile truce between man and caprine, and somehow misattributed it to Richard Robinson, the director of the Brighton Science Festival."	[02:36]
herbijudlestoids	i have been busy busy	[02:36]
nubbins`	Robinson's comment on the mixup:	[02:36]
nubbins`	"I'm afraid I cannot address your problem. I have much more important things to think about just now: sea urchins, hordes of them, with their evil poisoned spines, there in the sea, just out of view, waiting… waiting…"	[02:36]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: If there isn't time for shennanigans, there isn't time at all	[02:36]
herbijudlestoids	there isnt time lol!	[02:36]
herbijudlestoids	flat chat	[02:36]
herbijudlestoids	but i missed you guys :D	[02:36]
BingoBoingo	When I have my uranium mines I will fill them with the shennanigan-less	[02:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58521002 BTC [-]	[02:37]
nubbins`	was in a band once called Goat, the Provider	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	If uranium is even what I have mined. Maybe I'll just have lead mines or something	[02:37]
Diablo-D3	I want a hot woman mine	[02:38]
nubbins`	if you lead, i'll follow	[02:38]
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herbijudlestoids	anyway, i need to get some breakfast in me and crack on with my worx.	[02:38]
herbijudlestoids	be good, hopefully see yas soon :)	[02:38]
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nubbins`	getting some nice submissions for our next zine	[02:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00081556 = 9.5421 BTC [-]	[02:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+]	[02:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20277 @ 0.00081537 = 16.5333 BTC [-]	[02:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3427 @ 0.003716 = 12.7347 BTC [-] {30}	[02:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16074 @ 0.00317261 = 50.9965 BTC [-] {62}	[02:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0062302 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {2}	[02:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00299999 = 0.3 BTC [-]	[03:04]
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mircea_popescu	o look at that, under par	[03:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59001003 BTC [+]	[03:11]
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bitcoinpete	tiger?	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00299999 = 9 BTC [-] {2}	[03:17]
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nubbins`	19btc ask wall at par	[03:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[03:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]	[03:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1188 @ 0.003 = 3.564 BTC [+] {2}	[03:19]
nubbins`	coin funds finally released from escrow	[03:19]
*	nubbins` claps	[03:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081512 = 13.7755 BTC [-] {2}	[03:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4200 @ 0.003 = 12.6 BTC [+]	[03:20]
bitcoinpete	S.MPOE seems to be all over the place of late.	[03:20]
bitcoinpete	Is it always this volatile?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	was a lot more tepid prior to feb statement.	[03:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.003 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2}	[03:21]
bitcoinpete	mmm still, a hell of a wallet service	[03:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+]	[03:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 222 @ 0.003 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2}	[03:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+]	[03:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.0008158 = 39.1992 BTC [+] {2}	[03:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00591002 = 0.2896 BTC [-]	[03:27]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rachel-canning-u-s-student-who-sued-parents-for-support-returns-home-1.2570514	[03:27]
ozbot	Rachel Canning, U.S. student who sued parents for support, returns home - World - CBC News	[03:27]
nubbins`	my sides	[03:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 453 @ 0.003 = 1.359 BTC [+]	[03:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58487999 = 2.9244 BTC [-] {5}	[03:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5823 = 1.1646 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58112 = 1.7434 BTC [-]	[03:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]	[03:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.005911 = 0.6384 BTC [-] {2}	[03:44]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/	[03:44]
ozbot	On Making Bitcoin Accessible. Or Not. \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[03:44]
bitcoinpete	Newest blog post	[03:45]
bitcoinpete	Anchored by Buffet's 1983 letter to shareholders	[03:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.00623006 = 0.5794 BTC [-] {4}	[03:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00081402 = 40.2126 BTC [-] {3}	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	not a bad anchor	[03:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.000812 = 11.8958 BTC [-]	[04:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00349999 = 0.4585 BTC [+] {2}	[04:14]
thestringpuller	ls	[04:14]
thestringpuller	oops	[04:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17309 @ 0.00081611 = 14.126 BTC [+]	[04:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2803 @ 0.00081712 = 2.2904 BTC [+]	[04:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 182 @ 0.0035 = 0.637 BTC [+] {3}	[04:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16797 @ 0.0008184 = 13.7467 BTC [+] {2}	[04:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14553 @ 0.000819 = 11.9189 BTC [+]	[04:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60886534 = 3.0443 BTC [+] {5}	[04:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61699495 = 2.468 BTC [+] {3}	[04:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61816663 = 3.709 BTC [+] {3}	[04:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.61951235 = 17.3463 BTC [+] {5}	[04:35]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[12:49]
*	[freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way.	[12:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire.	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	that's not how it's done.	[12:51]
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mircea_popescu	"2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store."	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[13:07]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo clearly loves baseball :D	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	"great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up.	[13:15]
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mircea_popescu	if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished...	[13:16]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[13:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3953 @ 0.00079552 = 3.1447 BTC [+] {2}	[13:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}	[13:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.039735 = 0.2384 BTC [-] {3}	[13:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09199956 = 0.46 BTC [+] {3}	[13:33]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable.	[13:35]
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BingoBoingo	Well, least betable if you discount football/soccer because that shit ends in a draw way too often	[13:37]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ?	[13:59]
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VanCleef	hi, whats a good investment? my daughter really needs this operation	[15:25]
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bitcoinpete	;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback!	[15:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	yee.	[15:55]
Neil	mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet?	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	well, to split your q up in answerable bits,	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	i'm a reputed workaholic (also see http://trilema.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/#footnote_2_51568 )	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	also exact arrangements have never really been disclosed, so nobody actually knows.	[15:57]
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Neil	I see, curious why you're waiting for someone to disclose so that you know.	[15:58]
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Neil	You robot or sthg?	[15:58]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[15:59]
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Neil	In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk.	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	dont forget coinbr exists	[16:02]
Neil	I've had enough of 3rd parties	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	you can just use a broker.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, be a broker	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	not all 3rd parties are created equally	[16:02]
Neil	Good incentive to get off my ass and do something useful myself I guess.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is not about serving a consumer market.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is about encouraging people to create.	[16:04]
Neil	Is JTD an understood acronym? Just curious if it's a product of my history	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	which is why we don't want more "adoption". we want more actual penetration. get off your ass do something, cause it ain't gonna do itself.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	jump to default ?	[16:04]
Neil	Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more	[16:05]
Neil	mp: well done	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	i didn't dop anything lol	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context.	[16:05]
Neil	Actually 2% is also low; probably 3-4% is better.	[16:05]
Neil	mp: plz elaborate	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/	[16:06]
Neil	impressed by the speed at random linking	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, it's something like this : romania emergend in 1989 incredibly poor,	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	with about twenty million people who not only owned nothing at all (literally, a pair of jeans would get you unlimited bjs cca 1988)	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively.	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	because 50 years under a state directed economy destroys entrepreneurship, something romanians never were very good at anyway	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	(which is a very lengthy discussion also found on my blog, but really not too interesting here, as to why)	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	i mean think about it, a country that suddenly needs everything. everything!	[16:08]
Neil	Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	could you easily make a living for yourself in such an environment ? surely.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	people need food and plumbing and fguckin shoes and everything.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	but that's you.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all.	[16:09]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	this yielded two direct results : on one hand, everyone got his house.	[16:10]
blackwhite	morning gents	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing.	[16:10]
Neil	It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious?	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer.	[16:11]
Neil	They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders".	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	so, 20 mn coupons were printed, and distributed to each individual.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	all the companies the state owned allowed the subscription of thes coupons	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated :	[16:12]
nubbins`	email?!	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	if a company got 10 coupons, every one guy got 10% of it.	[16:12]
nubbins`	o.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	if a company got 10mn coupons, each person got 0.0001% etc.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	so suddenly, a bunch of romanians without a clue were real estate and industrial capital owners.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	what happened ?	[16:12]
Neil	the fittest survived? the rest got eaten.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	;;google caritas ponzo	[16:13]
gribble	Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: ; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report:	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point."	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	this is a story of idiocy and unbridled enthusiasm, and of how very stupid people fail to fall in step with economic structure.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	moreover, the sort of mistake they made, we're not immune from.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort"	[16:15]
Neil	mp: I'm curious - how much of your current beliefs are your own, and how much from your parents / schooling etc.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	in general, ventures made and wholly operated by people who are unable to act economically (which means, collaboratively) are doomed.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal.	[16:16]
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mircea_popescu	Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine.	[16:17]
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Neil	OK, so what led you down your path?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	what led me ?!	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	nothing leads me dood, i lead it.	[16:18]
Neil	cmon my meaning is clear	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	maybe to you.	[16:18]
Neil	What life experiences changed your thinking from what your were taught to believe to what you actually believe	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[16:19]
jurov	Neil, I was profoundly discontent with what i was told	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	what, you actually think that's how it works ?	[16:19]
jurov	and just had to find out on my own	[16:19]
jurov	it's not complicated	[16:19]
Neil	mp: don't understand how your qn relates	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	if it were, education'd be trivial.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	just put them in a well designed educatron/gauntlet and let them be	[16:21]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there.	[16:21]
nubbins`	controllable, no	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge.	[16:22]
nubbins`	influenced by, sure, if you let it	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` well what's that do.	[16:22]
TomServo	You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	sure, it works to a large degree, i can educate my slaves on a very similar process.	[16:23]
TomServo	specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United	[16:23]
TomServo	States.”	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first.	[16:23]
Neil	jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right	[16:23]
Neil	context to think about it.	[16:23]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[16:23]
nubbins`	fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive	[16:23]
nubbins`	but being receptive? well, that's your job	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	TomServo yeah. it kinda was.	[16:23]
TomServo	also: And the dynamism	[16:24]
TomServo	embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.	[16:24]
Neil	mp: I don't understand your point. Deeply held beliefs that are not handed down to you must have been formed by life experiences, I suspect.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	Neil money is a transcendent you know.	[16:24]
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mircea_popescu	there's a three part bit on trilema about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	TomServo perhaps he's senile. or perhaps he has a point.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care.	[16:25]
nubbins`	scary place	[16:25]
nubbins`	everyone bought into the hype and now assumes the hype will carry them through	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	see the thing is : there are indeed some hard working us folk.	[16:26]
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mircea_popescu	they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly	[16:27]
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mircea_popescu	each a little emperor on his little lump of coal	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	that's at least two decades of unlimited economic collapse	[16:27]
Neil	So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English).	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	so the whole thing can go africa quite easily.	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00080012 = 38.1257 BTC [-]	[16:28]
ughlol	Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors!	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	ughlol sure, lurk for half year or so.	[16:28]
Neil	Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think.	[16:28]
ughlol	Half year? Im sorry, I don't understand.	[16:29]
Apocalyptic	"Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true	[16:29]
jurov	ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises?	[16:29]
Neil	Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system.	[16:29]
ughlol	jurov: no I havent. Can you please link me?	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	ughlol see either http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ or http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ depending on which level you're working on	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	which i don't know because you just dropped here and started talking randomly.	[16:30]
Neil	Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off.	[16:30]
ughlol	thanks mircea_popescu	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism.	[16:31]
jurov	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 i meant this, but above applies too	[16:31]
ozbot	So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?	[16:31]
Neil	But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper.	[16:31]
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ughlol	not a bitcoin business	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power.	[16:31]
ughlol	But a social network. Im looking for investment.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	i know of no previous instance of a mechanism working so efficiently in all human technical history.	[16:31]
jurov	ughlol: as soon as you want bitcoin investment, it is one	[16:31]
ughlol	oh, I see.	[16:32]
ughlol	ok	[16:32]
ughlol	WOT account as in World of Tanks account? :/	[16:32]
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jurov	;;gettrust ughlol	[16:33]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol \| Rated since: never	[16:33]
jurov	^ no, this one	[16:33]
ughlol	Oh i see.	[16:33]
ughlol	Im on localbitcoins.com	[16:33]
ughlol	I have quite some good rep there.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	how the shit was that app facebook bought called ?	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	i can't even remember it ;/	[16:33]
nubbins`	whats app?	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	a ty	[16:33]
nubbins`	i had an app that let you send sms messages via email	[16:34]
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nubbins`	stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;(	[16:34]
ughlol	And if you're worried about who i am, and if im a fraud, I'll give you my real name, and you can google me! :)	[16:34]
nubbins`	well. "stole" is a bit much	[16:34]
Neil	mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy	[16:34]
Neil	a beer.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	but... stability.	[16:34]
nubbins`	ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	a self adjusting mechanism that turns maxint variation into [.5,1.5] ?	[16:35]
ughlol	Oh, I see.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	that's something.	[16:35]
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ughlol	And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing?	[16:35]
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Neil	maxint variation? difficulty is bound by [0.25,4] factor per adjustment.	[16:36]
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Neil	perhaps I misunderstand	[16:36]
Neil	The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature.	[16:37]
ughlol	wow	[16:37]
ughlol	mircea_popescu: you wrote one scary-ass post	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	yw	[16:37]
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mircea_popescu	ughlol well ideally you want to be known. you're not currently known. how you resolve this problem is entirely up to you, but sure, wot helps a lot.	[16:38]
ughlol	Im not known here	[16:38]
ughlol	but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit	[16:38]
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mircea_popescu	yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ?	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	so you'll have to somehow bridge these.	[16:41]
ughlol	I agree.	[16:41]
ughlol	But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to.	[16:42]
ughlol	And I understand that, I've seen many fraudsters as well.	[16:42]
jurov	just lurk and you'll certainly find out something to offer and gain rep	[16:42]
jurov	wot is not meant for -otc trading only	[16:44]
ughlol	oh	[16:44]
ughlol	i see	[16:44]
chetty	sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here	[16:44]
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ughlol	Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :)	[16:45]
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Neil	ThickAsThieves: b.t.w. with you on your discussion of 16hrs ago that I had to abandon for work	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea".	[16:46]
ughlol	of course there is	[16:47]
ughlol	imho	[16:50]
ughlol	nobody trusts in individuals with ideas anymore	[16:50]
ughlol	and that sucks	[16:51]
ughlol	:(	[16:52]
ughlol	Looks like I'll never get investment for anything	[16:52]
ughlol	Have to do a stupid engineering degree and get a stupid job.	[16:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/google-exploring-the-botomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/	[16:55]
ozbot	Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	ughlol well a constructive approach is always more indicated.	[16:55]
ughlol	mircea_popescu: is that for me?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	i jhust finished it.	[16:55]
ughlol	mircea_popescu: constructive approach how?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station.	[16:56]
ughlol	I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	try understanding this part : nobody cares.	[16:57]
ughlol	Yeah	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive.	[16:57]
ughlol	I agree :(	[16:58]
ughlol	and thats just so sad	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	why is it sad ?	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	i happen to think it's great.	[16:58]
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ughlol	Its sad for people that want to do something but cant	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	fuck them ?	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	tell me, do you like girls ?	[16:58]
ughlol	Im one of them! :)	[16:58]
ughlol	Yes, I do	[16:58]
ughlol	lol	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	okay. do you like girls generally or do you like pretty girls ?	[16:59]
ughlol	I like pretty girls..	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	me too.	[16:59]
ughlol	haha	[16:59]
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mircea_popescu	so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked).	[16:59]
ughlol	Omg. You're right.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls,	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	except nobody gives a shit what ugly girls think on any topic.	[17:00]
ughlol	Thats true.	[17:00]
ughlol	:O	[17:00]
ughlol	OMG	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	so then there you go. same applies.	[17:00]
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ughlol	That makes so much sense.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it makes so much sense, because you told me you're from india and i knew how to construct it.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	if i didn't know that it'd have never made sense.	[17:02]
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mircea_popescu	which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	which is why there's no such thing as "an idea".	[17:02]
ughlol	Yeah, you're right..	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	(ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance)	[17:02]
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ughlol	hmm	[17:03]
ughlol	I wish I was born elsewhere	[17:03]
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ughlol	the economy in India sucks so bad	[17:03]
ughlol	and Indian investors dont give a shit about anybody :(	[17:03]
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ughlol	thanks for enlightening me mircea_popescu	[17:05]
ughlol	Honestly, I first thought you were some random guy full of ego and trolling me	[17:05]
ughlol	Im sorry about that.	[17:05]
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ThickAsThieves	But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place	[17:11]
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ughlol	yeah :(	[17:12]
ughlol	I have 0 luck	[17:12]
ughlol	and was born into the wrong damn community of misers	[17:12]
ughlol	lol	[17:12]
ughlol	but thats just my problem	[17:12]
ughlol	sorry to disturb you all	[17:13]
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ThickAsThieves	well it's okay	[17:14]
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ughlol	:)	[17:15]
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ThickAsThieves	mp your google article seems to make my Search Party "idea" seem that much better	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	essentially by outlawing guns, google made it so only outlaws have guns	[17:18]
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ThickAsThieves	(SEO penetration)	[17:18]
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ThickAsThieves	for reference: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#466597	[17:20]
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ThickAsThieves	relevant to yesterday's Top 500 conversation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;)	[17:23]
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ThickAsThieves	well fuck me, Deprived is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5677176#msg5677176	[17:29]
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dexX7	haha well, not much explaination	[17:33]
dexX7	was he in the us?	[17:33]
imsaguy	Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra.	[17:33]
dexX7	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Phoneutria_nigriventer.jpg rly?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one.	[17:36]
dexX7	i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	well, ask Deprived, we surely don't know	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check cashing service	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve	[17:39]
dexX7	neat http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/2014-03-13-public-demo-trezor-status	[17:39]
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ThickAsThieves	all i'm asking for is 20 minutes with Brin, and a fat check	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	imsaguy i knew that, actually.	[17:40]
nubbins`	nothing gets me hard like lethal poison	[17:41]
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nubbins`	priapism FTW	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves now how the fuck did that end up there http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/cg1mo8a	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?!	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	"If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)."	[17:43]
asciilifeform	the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	interesting approach.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	i could trivially have any of my counsel write me infinity bills and bleed him dry.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	i wonder wtf people be thinking.	[17:43]
dexX7	i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 yeah. and most people are too naive to be involved with tools as powerful as btc.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	either one.	[17:44]
dexX7	^_^	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	i think Deprived is just claling bullshit on anyone actually seeking counsel and confident everyone is too lazy to get back-invoices	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	technically he did exactly what he said he would	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	not communicate until he had news	[17:45]
asciilifeform	dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff << 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/2014/03/13/j-p-morgan-customers-tweet-complaints-about-anti-money-laundering-policy/	[17:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00080038 = 10.485 BTC [+]	[17:47]
ozbot	J.P. Morgan Depositors Tweet Complaints About Anti-Money Laundering Policy - Risk & Compliance - W	[17:47]
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dexX7	well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious	[17:49]
nubbins`	showed pascale nude-yoga.com	[17:52]
dexX7	asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress	[17:52]
nubbins`	she was mightily impressed	[17:52]
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ThickAsThieves	well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived...	[18:02]
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ThickAsThieves	this is all contributing to my spider sense beginning to tingle yesterday	[18:07]
dexX7	kate already "came back" a few days ago	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	expect notable btc/usd price movement in 3-5 days!	[18:08]
dexX7	or 2-3 weeks, not sure anymore	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	well now she's actually posting	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	surprised all it took was threats	[18:08]
Apocalyptic	on litecointalk ?	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	and now on btctalk	[18:08]
dexX7	"we can't pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well	[18:09]
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ThickAsThieves	in case you didnt figure it, BondHolder is me	[18:10]
dexX7	good job then	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	i got caught with pants down trying to trade that shit	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	when BTCT closed	[18:10]
dexX7	how much does b1 earn per week in btc per share?	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	it	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	's based on USD	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	so not much	[18:11]
dexX7	or it was 0.34 usd or so, right?	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	i dont even track it honestly	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	i'd be happy just to redeem them	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	never intended to hold them	[18:11]
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dexX7	i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	i shoulda listened to myself	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	just the buying pressure was strong	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	of course you probly more mean the PT	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	than the bond	[18:13]
dexX7	yup	[18:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19372696 BTC to 3`708 shares, 59162 satoshi per share	[18:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07459999 = 1.865 BTC [+] {4}	[18:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.93320684 BTC to 3`708 shares, 537573 satoshi per share	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	thats why i offered to pay to round it up	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	probably not even $1 expense to solve	[18:15]
dexX7	the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders	[18:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08733334 = 0.524 BTC [-] {3}	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	this is nonsense	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	and i processed tons of shit by hand to render those people whole	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	i recall it being far less than 1000 holders	[18:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.08519288 = 2.1298 BTC [-] {5}	[18:17]
dexX7	yea	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	but i'd have to look it up	[18:18]
dexX7	"For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds"	[18:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0404 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}	[18:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.08013076 = 1.0417 BTC [-] {3}	[18:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {2}	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	me, Deprived, Kate (surely)	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves kate has been "back" for weeks	[18:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ?	[18:22]
asciilifeform	http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-throws-self-in-front-of-train-in-finance-worlds-latest-suicide/	[18:22]
ozbot	Trader kills self in finance world’s latest suicide \| New York Post	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	are finance deaths always this common and merely now more publicized?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know the "nazis are losing the war" joke ?	[18:22]
asciilifeform	?	[18:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.078 = 0.624 BTC [-]	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the profession has one of the largest suicide rates.	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	i assume, but larger lately?	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore"	[18:23]
asciilifeform	aha	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply	[18:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.0748227 = 1.6461 BTC [-] {12}	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well that i have no idea.	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	i dont count one bullshit statement as being "back"	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.0404 = 1.7372 BTC [-]	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	you'r eback when you tcb	[18:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.07204081 = 3.53 BTC [-] {3}	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	well in that case neither are back	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	now she has 3mos padding	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	bleh	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	i remember back before xmas when we were mocking her cuntdown	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	apparently it got overrun a little /	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	just a lil	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of tcb	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/a63a1a0b736ae648248af1671b51023c/tumblr_muqjsa8HXc1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	i had someone from CT soliciting me to list a PT this week	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	after speaking, he was like well shit, this really is toxic huh	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	the madness shan't be stopped.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	we just wanna fish bits from the river.	[18:28]
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benkay	i'm having police state nightmares and i haven't even done anything	[18:30]
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benkay	i blame you guys in general, and mp in particular.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	http://www.siapress.ru/news/society/30512	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	o look, they're moving in	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	benkay what did i do!	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D	[18:32]
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benkay	you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	what, we're gonna win.	[18:34]
benkay	well OBviously	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04191666 = 0.6287 BTC [+] {4}	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.voice-online.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/455/lead-racist_soap.jpg	[18:36]
rbones	.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	"Top Of Mind scraped Bottom Of Barrel interviewing curmudgeon, Luddite, ignoramus, Statist and low brow unthinker Ken Hess. RLOL!"	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	ok which one of you guise is this ?	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 96 @ 0.0421 = 4.0416 BTC [+] {3}	[18:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00080084 = 38.9208 BTC [+]	[18:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217999 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {2}	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	apparently, working more is bad for you.	[18:38]
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benkay	what's the counter-thesis?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	that uncorrelated variables are uncorrelated	[18:40]
asciilifeform	u.s. steel production vs. salmonella incidence in france. log-log plot.	[18:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.11950724 = 5.6168 BTC [-]	[18:41]
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chetty	http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2041-deluded-currency-cultists-believe-the-dollar-is-invincible	[18:41]
ozbot	Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible	[18:41]
dexX7	cm.b1 backup: http://archive.is/XZ9PC	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 so basically what was it, a combo btc principal + fiat coupon deal ?	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	word	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	so mostly downside on divs	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	but still positive	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	but wait i don't understand. work me through this will you ?	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	assuming redemption is possible	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	so i buy 100 btc worth of bonds, when btc is 100 usd.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	on first coupon due date, btc is 200 usd.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	how much is my coupon ?	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	so i get 0.0038100 btc 100usd/200usd ?	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00575 = 0.299 BTC [-]	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	"After 12 months, each bond may be redeemed at any time by bondholder for 0.01 BTC." seems it was a proper bond.	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	i believe so	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	i honest;y never checked the divs	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	ok so basically it's a "get no interest and wait for a year to hear which excuse i pick up for not redeeming" ?	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	well, get rapidly dwindling interest	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	reference being 85dollars/btc...	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	if btc had gone down it wouldve given more	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	only reason i paid attention was as a trader	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	yeah, right, because random dragon-in-human-skin mental patient is very likely to efficiently conserve value.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	it'd have paid more in what, hormones ?	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	and i got what i deserved in that regard	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	btct closed, kate got married	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	what did they trade as ?	[18:49]
dexX7	the good old btct times	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	they were going at like 5% premium	[18:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04168 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2}	[18:49]
imsaguy	hmm	[18:49]
imsaguy	I need to start fancy paper stuffs	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	but i suspect Kate as also playing the market	[18:49]
imsaguy	start selling*	[18:49]
dexX7	yea pretty sure	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	wait	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	she openly said so	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	if i recall	[18:50]
imsaguy	so who did kate marry?	[18:50]
imsaguy	goat?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	hqahahaa	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	deprived obv	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	srs ?	[18:50]
imsaguy	I don't follow days of our forum	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	"Fed is 'about to' propose capital surcharge on largest financial firms."	[18:50]
imsaguy	so obv isn't obv	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	that should go over well	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	imsaguy i think he's being sarcastic	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	i... hope he's being sarcastic	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	mostly	[18:51]
imsaguy	mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	but they do have very coincidental availability	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinwxJqCYAAoCcZ.jpg << "daytrading on scamsites" is strangely absent	[18:51]
imsaguy	probably the same person	[18:51]
imsaguy	deprived probably named his right hand kate	[18:51]
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mircea_popescu	so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ?	[18:51]
benkay	here's a surcharge	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile deprived of c0k ?	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	nah	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	i spoke with deprived once	[18:52]
imsaguy	no mircea_popescu	[18:52]
benkay	stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	i find it very hard to believe he is a tranny	[18:52]
imsaguy	kata ala rosie palmer	[18:52]
imsaguy	kate*	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	he's a happy-go-lucky soccer/pub-lover	[18:52]
dexX7	kate != deprived	[18:52]
chetty	benkay about that police state problem: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-second-amendment-case-refuses-to-prohibit-police-from-using-lawful-gun-ownership-as-a-trigger-for-no-knock-police-raids/79786#more-79786	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	spoke with ie, you went to a bar ?	[18:53]
dexX7	large gap between knowledge and style of writing	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	voice over internet	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	he was on his way to a bar though	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is.	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	i do think they have some sort of connection	[18:53]
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ThickAsThieves	family, friend, or something	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	well sure, he fell for her dog and pony show about respectable uk business woman.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	that's a connection.	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands	[18:54]
imsaguy	what ever happened to mr. glbse?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	why not wives ?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage.	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	well i'm not lifting those skirts	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	you do it	[18:54]
imsaguy	lol	[18:55]
imsaguy	1,2,3 not it	[18:55]
benkay	noes goes	[18:55]
benkay	nose	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwhwbksHob1qmojqio1_500.jpg	[18:55]
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dexX7	.bait	[18:56]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg	[18:56]
benkay	chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately?	[18:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35480 @ 0.00080127 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2}	[18:57]
benkay	anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them.	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like you feel trapped in your own "home"	[18:58]
chetty	You sure that was dream benkay? Sounds like daily life	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	whats in louisiana	[18:58]
benkay	that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me."	[18:58]
benkay	rotting manses from the sugar days? iono, i dont touch that part of the continent.	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07501403 = 7.5014 BTC [+] {9}	[19:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0766 = 0.8426 BTC [-]	[19:05]
VanCleef	i'm looking fowardto mircea's new bitcoin tv showcalled "Why Mircea is better than you."	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59888998 = 1.1978 BTC [+]	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.07589999 = 0.759 BTC [-] {4}	[19:06]
benkay	i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!"	[19:07]
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mircea_popescu	i'm looking forward to mircea's new female body, "you thought he's just a guy ?!?!?!"	[19:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49988 @ 0.00080143 = 40.0619 BTC [+] {3}	[19:08]
VanCleef	/semihard	[19:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15799 @ 0.00080135 = 12.6605 BTC [+] {3}	[19:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13084 @ 0.00079918 = 10.4565 BTC [-]	[19:18]
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nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJifZLjipxo	[19:29]
ozbot	Pussy Pussy Marijuana Verse - YouTube	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]	[19:30]
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benkay	.bait	[19:33]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/25554fcb3c82a37a564f2379a63d652a/tumblr_mtwi01x1Gd1rfz6a4o1_1280.jpg	[19:33]
nubbins`	bait should start sourcing from naked-yoga	[19:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00080225 = 7.6214 BTC [+]	[19:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.07325 = 0.879 BTC [-] {3}	[19:48]
asciilifeform	from the circus:	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0769 = 0.3845 BTC [+]	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.04249999 = 0.765 BTC [+]	[19:49]
asciilifeform	http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism	[19:49]
ozbot	Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,	[19:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12418 @ 0.00080069 = 9.943 BTC [-]	[19:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.00220032 = 0.143 BTC [-] {8}	[19:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01729509 = 0.2248 BTC [-] {6}	[19:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01600797 = 0.2721 BTC [-] {3}	[19:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03810001 = 0.381 BTC [-] {3}	[19:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00079866 = 45.1243 BTC [-] {6}	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 39 @ 0.0037691 = 0.147 BTC [-] {7}	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00365188 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {7}	[20:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585501 BTC [-]	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [+]	[20:06]
blackwhite	is there some data source to get the trading volume, price etc?	[20:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04289993 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}	[20:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04314428 = 0.4314 BTC [+] {3}	[20:08]
mike_c	!t h rent	[20:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600100 / 0.00623437 / 0.00647960 (373 shares, 2.32542147 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00560099 / 0.00900001 (28538 shares, 159.84093509 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00555348 / 0.00900001 (53890 shares, 299.27693509 BTC)	[20:09]
mike_c	i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume	[20:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0438 = 0.438 BTC [+] {5}	[20:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07698998 = 0.8469 BTC [+]	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04466666 = 0.402 BTC [+] {4}	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.045 = 0.945 BTC [+] {3}	[20:11]
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mjr_	whats up everybody	[20:14]
mjr_	I am trying to work out details to come to lovely timisoara	[20:14]
blackwhite	mike_c like this http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226	[20:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.073 = 1.168 BTC [-]	[20:16]
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mike_c	blackwhite: for stocks? mpex stocks here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ havelock here: http://coinflow.co/chart/HAVELOCK/RENT	[20:17]
blackwhite	so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization)	[20:18]
mike_c	mpex here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/	[20:19]
mike_c	and that's it, the link store is closed.	[20:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [-]	[20:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27124 @ 0.00079978 = 21.6932 BTC [+]	[20:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5855 = 4.0985 BTC [-] {3}	[20:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07698998 = 0.9239 BTC [+]	[20:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8359 @ 0.00079828 = 6.6728 BTC [-]	[20:35]
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benkay	mircea_popescu: your footnotes make for inconsistent line heights	[20:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00080225 = 8.4236 BTC [+]	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0769 = 0.1538 BTC [-]	[20:42]
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mike_c	i need a quick little pile of atc. can anybody sell me 1k atc @ 200 satoshis per?	[20:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00379799 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {3}	[20:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00079762 = 17.4192 BTC [-] {3}	[21:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]	[21:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.00638286 = 0.1723 BTC [-] {2}	[21:07]
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thestringpuller	;;ud trapstar	[21:17]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar \| trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a ...	[21:17]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: trapstar	[21:17]
thestringpuller	;;ud trapping	[21:17]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping \| to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping” ...	[21:17]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: trapping	[21:17]
thestringpuller	;;ud trap star	[21:17]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar \| trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a ...	[21:17]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: trapstar	[21:17]
thestringpuller	;;ud trapper	[21:18]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapper \| drug dealer, mainly this word is used in the south. that nigga is a straight trapper fo life. by Auguste October 17, 2005. 538 56. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapper” mugs ...	[21:18]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: trapper	[21:18]
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thestringpuller	;;ud trap	[21:18]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap \| The area where drug deals are carried out. The dope boy is in the trap tonight. by Shipp December 03, 2003. 4691 1533. Mugs & shirts Buy “Trap” mugs & shirts ...	[21:18]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: trap	[21:18]
benkay	thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right?	[21:18]
ThickAsThieves	bet you didn't know it's derived from	[21:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0063834 = 0.1277 BTC [+]	[21:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;crab trap	[21:18]
gribble	Error: "crab" is not a valid command.	[21:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;ud crab trap	[21:19]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap \| When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily.	[21:19]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: crab trap	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	no not that	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	they used to call it a crab trap	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	which became trapping	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	cuz they all stuck in the pot	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	and got a crab mentality	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[21:19]
mike_c	hm, what is a crab mentality?	[21:20]
benkay	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality	[21:21]
ozbot	Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[21:21]
benkay	related to:	[21:21]
benkay		[21:21]
benkay	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante	[21:21]
ozbot	Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[21:21]
ThickAsThieves	well to think like a base animal	[21:21]
ThickAsThieves	like the trap is the whole world	[21:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46721 @ 0.00079947 = 37.352 BTC [+] {3}	[21:21]
ThickAsThieves	fighting for the food	[21:22]
ThickAsThieves	tearing eachother up	[21:22]
ThickAsThieves	stuck	[21:22]
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ThickAsThieves	wiki says it better	[21:23]
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ThickAsThieves	of course like many things in that culture it transformed from an insult to a compliment	[21:24]
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mike_c	sounds like bitcointalk	[21:24]
mike_c	or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight.	[21:25]
ThickAsThieves	yeha not really similar	[21:25]
ThickAsThieves	the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though	[21:26]
mike_c	and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot.	[21:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0008004 = 31.4557 BTC [+] {3}	[21:27]
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benkay	btctalk is more like "anyone can be a special fairy!"	[21:27]
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benkay	it's more like "those doods launched an exchange and so can derp!"	[21:27]
mike_c	lol. special fairy.	[21:27]
ThickAsThieves	i cant come up with a choice analogy for btctalk, but I'd say Idiocracy is close	[21:28]
benkay	group delusions of competence	[21:28]
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ThickAsThieves	trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	ignorant	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	it's like being tough or real	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	fuckit i ignant	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	and be hood	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	in	[21:29]
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benkay	you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838	[21:31]
dexX7	http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community"	[21:31]
benkay	notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses"	[21:31]
benkay	who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials.	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	black people always can find pride in what they arew	[21:31]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/YG9fT	[21:32]
ozbot	56 Bitcoin Icons - Imgur	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	i know that's a generalization	[21:32]
nubbins`	nice	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	but in sense ive met many more "real" black people than white	[21:32]
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nubbins`	wait, so she's giving up "journalism" and becoming a hunter?	[21:33]
nubbins`	;(	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	she's so stupid...	[21:34]
dexX7	in this case we'd at least don't hear any trash reports from her again	[21:34]
dexX7	but i don't believe she'll stop ;)	[21:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00079546 = 60.6141 BTC [-] {4}	[21:35]
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dexX7	http://i.imgur.com/h3y9VSe.jpg hehe	[21:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.044475 = 0.3558 BTC [+] {2}	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	she'll stop because she's a husk now	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	no one wants her	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	she'll need to go solo	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	and be a sensationalist blogger	[21:37]
benkay	is she married?	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	i'd bet no	[21:38]
dexX7	^	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	her staying with a gf and all	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else	[21:39]
Apocalyptic	^	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	i imagine her personality to be much like Lena Dunham's character on Girls	[21:39]
benkay	it's never to late to snag one, i guess.	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	hopelessly lost in self importance	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	i guarantee she can't cook either	[21:40]
benkay	f that	[21:40]
benkay	while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table.	[21:40]
thestringpuller	You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck.	[21:40]
thestringpuller	"I hate doing actual work I just want experiences and want to be free and feel fulfilled without any effort.:	[21:41]
Apocalyptic	not only American thestringpuller	[21:41]
thestringpuller	It's like fuck off and die already.	[21:41]
dexX7	sounds like you're 60+	[21:41]
dexX7	jk :)	[21:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+]	[21:42]
thestringpuller	I'm 26 and feel like I'm going on 60	[21:42]
thestringpuller	fucking 22 year olds I hire can't do shit	[21:43]
thestringpuller	15 year olds are better at hustling	[21:43]
thestringpuller	15 year olds from the hood*	[21:43]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: what were they hired to do?	[21:43]
dexX7	what kind of business do you run? :D	[21:43]
dexX7	tree farms?	[21:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04446666 = 0.2668 BTC [-] {2}	[21:44]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: hired one person to be an Executive Assistant. Siri was better at his job than him...so we let him go.	[21:45]
thestringpuller	hired an engineer who didn't know what a for loop was	[21:45]
thestringpuller	literally didn't know what a for loop was; you can't make this shit up	[21:46]
thestringpuller	college grad with CS degree and all	[21:46]
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asciilifeform	graduate of Spam U ?	[21:47]
thestringpuller	Essentially. Cept not the online kind.	[21:47]
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thestringpuller	Local community Spam U	[21:47]
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asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/2kg29Ts	[21:50]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[21:50]
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asciilifeform	usg steals a few irc botnets.	[21:50]
asciilifeform	laugh/cry	[21:51]
benkay	what is this "quantum" referencing?	[21:51]
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asciilifeform	name for a particular malware-production group at nsa	[21:51]
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asciilifeform	no actual quanta harmed.	[21:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3238 @ 0.00080013 = 2.5908 BTC [+]	[21:55]
dub	was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too?	[21:56]
dub	s/f/ph	[21:56]
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dub	ie, the delivery	[21:57]
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HowardF	lol	[21:58]
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dub	helps to click links I guess	[21:58]
Apocalyptic	thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess	[21:59]
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thestringpuller	Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job	[21:59]
Apocalyptic	sounds fair	[22:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 197 @ 0.0008546 = 0.1684 BTC [-]	[22:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 281 @ 0.0008546 = 0.2401 BTC [-]	[22:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2730 @ 0.00015195 = 0.4148 BTC [+] {4}	[22:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04300066 = 0.129 BTC [-] {3}	[22:13]
asciilifeform	https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor	[22:14]
ozbot	Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working	[22:14]
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dexX7	i'd be interested in something that could log any usage ofthis backdoor	[22:19]
nubbins`	https://blockchain.info/wallet/how-to-get-bitcoins	[22:19]
nubbins`	"alternative methods"	[22:19]
ozbot	How to Get Bitcoins - 3 Step Guide	[22:19]
nubbins`	i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from	[22:19]
nubbins`	and if they ever stacked blocks as a child	[22:19]
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dexX7	:D	[22:20]
asciilifeform	photos of casascius coins in unrelated context seems to be a good heuristic for scammitude.	[22:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04458762 = 1.4714 BTC [+] {5}	[22:20]
nubbins`	heh	[22:20]
nubbins`	those aren't casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something	[22:21]
dexX7	the context is "offline"	[22:21]
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nubbins`	seriously, look at the stack on the right	[22:21]
nubbins`	i fuckin DARE ya to stack seven coins like that.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	imagine if every media piece on, say, 400 horsepower mercedes benz, had to include a picture of... that many actual horses	[22:22]
nubbins`	hahah	[22:22]
ughlol	mircea_popescu: mind if I pm?	[22:22]
nubbins`	that would be great	[22:22]
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ughlol	lol	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	nor coinbase	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	how to buy*	[22:25]
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benkay	how to butt	[22:27]
benkay	bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[22:27]
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dexX7	ThickAsThieves: only one per region: us, gb, eu, au, sg	[22:29]
dexX7	at least that's what is shown, if you log into a blockchain.info wallet	[22:29]
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ThickAsThieves	i see that casascius sells blanks, but do people sell sticker printing kits?	[22:29]
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ughlol	Im trying to create a rape intervention service in India	[22:43]
ughlol	and looking for investment for the same	[22:43]
ughlol	anybody interested?	[22:43]
ThickAsThieves	a social media rape service?	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	sounds fishy	[22:44]
ughlol	rape intervention	[22:44]
ughlol	social network with such a feature	[22:44]
ughlol	but rape prevention/intervention is the USP	[22:44]
Azelphur	how would that work? O.o	[22:44]
HowardF	how would such a thing make profit?	[22:44]
benkay	nubbins` yeah lol what is even center of gravity?	[22:45]
ughlol	Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family.	[22:45]
ughlol	HowardF: Ads, etc..	[22:45]
Azelphur	so this is a hardware device?	[22:46]
ughlol	no	[22:46]
ughlol	a software	[22:46]
benkay	apps!	[22:46]
benkay	apps for everyone and everything!	[22:46]
ughlol	Android app that takes advantage of location services	[22:46]
ughlol	benkay: precisely	[22:46]
Azelphur	I see	[22:46]
ughlol	"A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done."	[22:46]
Azelphur	and yea, where's the profit?	[22:46]
ughlol	I feel pathetic about the condition of girls in my country (India)	[22:47]
ughlol	and how they have no freedom due to some pathetic people (rapists)	[22:47]
ughlol	Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc.	[22:47]
ughlol	This would be the USP for my app	[22:47]
HowardF	i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere...	[22:47]
ughlol	USP == Unique Selling Proposition	[22:47]
Azelphur	ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this	[22:48]
ughlol	Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app.	[22:48]
HowardF	agreed. last thing someone about to get raped needs to see is an ad for condoms..	[22:48]
ughlol	Social networks can earn tons of revenue from ads.	[22:48]
ughlol	FlappyBird made around 50,000USD per day from ads	[22:49]
Azelphur	heh	[22:49]
TomServo	How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted?	[22:49]
ughlol	I think a social network can make similar amounts	[22:49]
Azelphur	ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn't, it's one time use	[22:49]
HowardF	( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think )	[22:49]
ughlol	TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify.	[22:49]
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ughlol	these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies	[22:49]
TomServo	Right.. but the location?	[22:49]
ughlol	HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken.	[22:50]
punkman	ughlol, you need DRONES	[22:50]
ughlol	TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc.	[22:50]
HowardF	i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc.	[22:50]
ughlol	punkman: haha, i doubt i can afford drones. Cant afford a 2nd hand server.	[22:50]
ughlol	lol	[22:50]
ughlol	HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot.	[22:50]
Azelphur	yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says)	[22:51]
Azelphur	but, there's no profit in i	[22:51]
Azelphur	t	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	ughlol	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	your idea is horrible	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	scrap it	[22:51]
ughlol	India is my prime target. I've seen a video that literally made me tear. I would link you, but it is in Hindi..	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	try again	[22:51]
ughlol	Azelphur: I believe profit can be integrated. If not ads, there are probably other ways.	[22:51]
HowardF	looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead	[22:51]
ughlol	ThickAsThieves: really? You think so?	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention	[22:51]
Azelphur	HowardF++	[22:52]
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ThickAsThieves	it has the opposite reaction	[22:52]
ughlol	HowardF: I agree.	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[22:52]
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ughlol	ThickAsThieves: You think Im trying to get attention?	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	you dont advertise to possible rape victims	[22:52]
benkay	ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event.	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	and an app is not social media	[22:52]
ughlol	ThickAsThieves: http://www.satyamevjayate.in/Fighting-Rape/EPISODE-1watchvideo.aspx?uid=E1-EV-V1&lang=hindi	[22:52]
benkay	all app successes are accidents of timing and positioning.	[22:52]
ughlol	Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins.	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	firstly	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	you said scam	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	not me	[22:53]
ughlol	benkay: A rape happens every 18 hours in India's capital city.	[22:53]
ughlol	ThickAsThieves: think what you may.	[22:53]
benkay	ughlol: you fail to make a point.	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	second, nevermin	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	d	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	this deserves no more attention	[22:54]
Azelphur	ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting	[22:54]
HowardF	in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously.	[22:54]
ughlol	benkay: you meant that rape is a radom event?	[22:54]
ughlol	There is currently NO rape intervention/prevention app in the market.	[22:54]
Azelphur	HowardF: agree with you :)	[22:54]
Azelphur	ughlol: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nebulastudios.meagainstrape what's this then?	[22:54]
ughlol	Yes, you're right HowardF	[22:54]
benkay	no i mean that you can't use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol.	[22:54]
ughlol	oh	[22:54]
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ughlol	i see	[22:54]
ughlol	sorry	[22:55]
benkay	it's not going to prevent rapes.	[22:55]
Azelphur	yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD	[22:55]
benkay	rapist smacks phone out of girls hand.	[22:55]
benkay	continues to rape.	[22:55]
benkay	your app has failed.	[22:55]
benkay	NEXT.	[22:55]
HowardF	benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful	[22:55]
Azelphur	yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you	[22:55]
ughlol	Azelphur: doesn't create an SOS signal with current location using GPS.	[22:55]
Azelphur	an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example	[22:55]
benkay	or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india	[22:55]
benkay	this is a human problem, not a technological one.	[22:56]
ughlol	benkay: it may fail. but it will help many.	[22:56]
ughlol	even if it helps 1 person, it succeeds.	[22:56]
benkay	and how will it make money? because that's basically all we care about in here.	[22:56]
ughlol	technology is moving towards changing peoples lives.	[22:56]
benkay	ads are out.	[22:56]
Azelphur	benkay: I think we already established that it won't	[22:56]
ughlol	HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money?	[22:56]
ughlol	Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even?	[22:57]
HowardF	difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting.	[22:57]
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Azelphur	HowardF: my thought with ads was one that it's single use, and 2 accidental clicking lol	[22:57]
ughlol	Ads might not be insulting. After all, its a great service for free..	[22:57]
joecool	or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place	[22:57]
joecool	could go just about anywhere else better in the world	[22:57]
HowardF	donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option	[22:57]
ughlol	and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney.	[22:58]
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ughlol	Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally.	[22:58]
ughlol	HowardF: any idea who might be interested to donate to something like this?	[22:59]
Azelphur	ughlol: getting more useless, also re-read what I said, that's not what I suggested.	[22:59]
HowardF	trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads.	[22:59]
ughlol	oh	[22:59]
Azelphur	I was talking about accidentally clicking an advert during a crisis situation	[22:59]
ughlol	ok	[22:59]
ughlol	ah, i see Azelphur	[22:59]
Azelphur	and if you're having codes and patterns...yea that's so not gonna work	[22:59]
HowardF	i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start	[23:00]
Azelphur	tl;dr what you want is a rape whistle, it's better than anything you've mentioned	[23:00]
HowardF	some larger ones may well be willing to sponsor or provide a grant.	[23:00]
Azelphur	1) cheaper, 2) more widely available, 3) has a much higher chance of success	[23:00]
ughlol	Azelphur: Little girls scream for help, and nobody cares. Nobody wants to interfere.	[23:01]
ughlol	This isn't America.	[23:01]
ughlol	Nobody wants to be the hero.	[23:01]
Azelphur	ah, that's shitty	[23:01]
HowardF	also, no reason you couldn't combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press	[23:01]
ughlol	This is India.	[23:01]
Azelphur	but yea, GPS is too far man, that won't work	[23:01]
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ughlol	Why so?	[23:01]
ughlol	I think GPS should do the trick.	[23:01]
ughlol	It should give a very accurate location.	[23:01]
Azelphur	best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner	[23:01]
Azelphur	by then the attacker is probably done and gone	[23:02]
benkay	.bait	[23:02]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ft157Ui61r600xqo1_1280.jpg	[23:02]
benkay	mm wow	[23:02]
benkay	.bait	[23:02]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h4x0MKBB1qag73to1_1280.jpg	[23:02]
HowardF	based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming	[23:02]
ughlol	^	[23:02]
ughlol	true	[23:02]
benkay	what if they're on a train?	[23:02]
Azelphur	^ that too	[23:02]
benkay	fat load of use this thing will be.	[23:02]
jcpham	train rape	[23:02]
ughlol	benkay: pls scroll up, we discussed that a bit..	[23:02]
benkay	fat load of use this thing will be anyways.	[23:02]
ughlol	yeah	[23:02]
HowardF	and again, even if it can't stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help	[23:02]
ughlol	its better than doing nothing	[23:03]
ughlol	and just bitching about every idea that exists	[23:03]
Azelphur	HowardF: yea that was my thinking, it'd be good for after care	[23:03]
ughlol	thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims	[23:03]
Azelphur	but that's about all it'd be good for	[23:03]
benkay	nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place.	[23:03]
ughlol	To me, even if it helps 1%, its a success.	[23:03]
benkay	to you, just talking about it makes you feel like you're doing something to help	[23:03]
ughlol	i want to make it.	[23:03]
Azelphur	ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all	[23:04]
ughlol	Not just talk about it.	[23:04]
benkay	so go make it and quit bullshitting.	[23:04]
Azelphur	then go make it, you don't need money	[23:04]
benkay	prove me wrong.	[23:04]
benkay	you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys?	[23:04]
ughlol	benkay: do you have a twitter profile?	[23:04]
ughlol	I'll prove you wrong.	[23:04]
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ughlol	benkay: you're wrong.	[23:04]
benkay	less talk, more do.	[23:04]
benkay	go.	[23:04]
ughlol	resources count as well. not just passion and drive.	[23:04]
HowardF	also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think...	[23:04]
joecool	wat	[23:05]
benkay	what about a fucking whistle?	[23:05]
ughlol	Thank you HowardF.	[23:05]
benkay	what about martial arts training?	[23:05]
benkay	those are things that i'll buy might have a shot at changing a rape event's outcome	[23:05]
HowardF	your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits	[23:05]
benkay	no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything.	[23:06]
Azelphur	ughlol: dowhat...I built fuckloads of shit	[23:06]
Azelphur	I started on $20 and a computer I built from shit in a skip	[23:06]
Azelphur	so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;)	[23:06]
ughlol	I doubt Azelphur.	[23:07]
Azelphur	really?	[23:07]
ughlol	Yes, really.	[23:07]
Azelphur	...ok then	[23:07]
ughlol	I myself am a developer and security consultant.	[23:07]
benkay	famous in india, we hear!	[23:07]
ughlol	not exactly, but kinda	[23:07]
ughlol	lol	[23:07]
HowardF	i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn't happen without something to back it up	[23:07]
benkay	so go hire some $10/hr indian android devs for 2 months of work	[23:08]
benkay	;;calc 10808	[23:08]
gribble	6400	[23:08]
ughlol	I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype.	[23:08]
benkay	shouldn't cost you more than seven grand.	[23:08]
Azelphur	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/Photos/From%20Google/DCFN0033.JPG observe, shit from a skip :)	[23:08]
HowardF	if you know java, it shouldn't cost you anything but time	[23:08]
Azelphur	note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons.	[23:08]
Azelphur	those were the days folks, those were the days.	[23:08]
ughlol	Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary.	[23:09]
ughlol	benkay: ^	[23:09]
ughlol	Azelphur: wow. That does look nice :)	[23:09]
Azelphur	ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument.	[23:09]
Azelphur	here's what I have now, just to contrast. http://i.imgur.com/YOuK4UK.jpg :)	[23:10]
ughlol	$20 cant even buy me a second had server capable enough to handle location services etc.	[23:11]
ughlol	(assuming i coded the app on my own)	[23:11]
ughlol	these things require some amount of investment	[23:11]
Azelphur	ughlol: no, but it can pay for like 4 months of VPS service, which is what I did.	[23:11]
ughlol	but yes, I wont argue anymore considering that there is no profit in the idea.	[23:12]
Azelphur	I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :)	[23:12]
Azelphur	I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	does india not have a polic emergency line?	[23:12]
ughlol	You can get a VPS for 4months for $20?	[23:12]
ughlol	ThickAsThieves: no	[23:12]
Azelphur	ughlol: hell yes, even less now man, this was 10 years ago	[23:13]
Azelphur	now you can get like 512MB for $2, it's awesome	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	so what happens when rapee uses your app	[23:13]
ughlol	police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	who comes running?	[23:13]
ughlol	or they tell the victim to compromise and drop the case	[23:13]
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ughlol	ThickAsThieves: family, nearby friends and nearby 'helpers'	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	so it's like a digital rape whistle	[23:14]
Azelphur	ughlol: https://bluevm.com/ $2.50/mo, for example	[23:14]
ughlol	Azelphur: link me? I'll buy it right now..?	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line.	[23:14]
ughlol	ThickAsThieves: yes, and more effective (imho)	[23:14]
Azelphur	there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head	[23:14]
HowardF	actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims	[23:14]
Azelphur	actually, here it is, http://buyvm.net/ $15 / year	[23:14]
ThickAsThieves	the app would be so easy to replicate	[23:14]
ThickAsThieves	i dont see how it can make money	[23:15]
Azelphur	HowardF: now that's a good idea	[23:15]
ughlol	Whatsapp isn't difficult to replicate.	[23:15]
Azelphur	although again, it's all unprofitable	[23:15]
ughlol	There are so many services like whatsapp.	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does	[23:15]
ThickAsThieves	whatsapp had value cuz user data	[23:15]
ThickAsThieves	surely you dont intend to sell user data	[23:15]
Azelphur	ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn't hard ;)	[23:15]
Azelphur	just gotta be smart.	[23:15]
Azelphur	heck, you could startup on $0	[23:15]
ughlol	HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. Noted	[23:16]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:16]
HowardF	profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn't	[23:16]
ThickAsThieves	yes you might be able to get a DV shelter to get a grant for it	[23:16]
HowardF	i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project	[23:16]
Azelphur	I tend to aim at $0 initial when I'm making new things	[23:16]
Azelphur	but I'm crazy. xD	[23:16]
ughlol	How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims?	[23:17]
ughlol	Would that also be insulting?	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	well the problem is that's how he started	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	who has money for me?!	[23:17]
ughlol	Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even.	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	social media!	[23:17]
Azelphur	ughlol: nope, this idea is a nonprofit	[23:17]
HowardF	not as insulting, no, but probably also not anywhere near enough to make it worth while.	[23:17]
ughlol	ah	[23:17]
ughlol	ah well	[23:17]
ughlol	some friends sent me here from bitcoin-otc..	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions	[23:18]
ughlol	sorry to waste all your time guys	[23:18]
Azelphur	ughlol: doesn't seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can't do now	[23:18]
ughlol	Yes, thats true..	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	you may even make a living of it yourself	[23:18]
ThickAsThieves	but it's not an investment opportunity	[23:18]
Azelphur	hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help	[23:19]
ThickAsThieves	off*	[23:19]
Azelphur	at the very least you can help some people after the fact, I'd think	[23:19]
ughlol	haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims.	[23:19]
ughlol	Azelphur: definitely	[23:19]
ughlol	I will do that..	[23:19]
HowardF	indeed... just a few tweaks and i actually think you have a workable idea.	[23:19]
Azelphur	ughlol: good luck, keep your code lightweight and you can run it on a 128MB buyvm server no problem	[23:19]
HowardF	focus more on support than prevention (though you can definately do both), and focus on grants from non-profits	[23:20]
ughlol	Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions.	[23:20]
ughlol	I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding).	[23:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30736 @ 0.00080103 = 24.6205 BTC [-] {3}	[23:21]
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asciilifeform	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/31-year-old-son-jon-corzine-reported-dead	[23:24]
ozbot	31 Year Old Son Of Jon Corzine Reported Dead \| Zero Hedge	[23:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04535987 = 0.4536 BTC [+] {7}	[23:51]
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benkay	did we rid -assets of the rapist?	[23:56]
benkay	BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line?	[23:57]
benkay	hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market	[23:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]	[23:59]

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