Forum logs for 14 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 42 @ 0.073 = 3.066 BTC [-] {3}	[00:00]
mike_c	bitbet is showing that parimutuel sports betting isn't that big yet..	[00:00]
ThickAsThieves	'When it comes to currencies, “community is everything,”'	[00:00]
ThickAsThieves	'Mr. Pierce said GoCoin’s analysis of the dogecoin community revealed a demographic very different from bitcoin’s, including many more women and less-tech-oriented users. He believes this in part stems from dogecoin’s logo'	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	(WSJ)	[00:01]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: It seems more likely that BTC denominated sports betting is shrinking in terms of BTC bet	[00:03]
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BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg5660990#msg5660990	[00:04]
ozbot	BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted	[00:04]
benkay	such trust!	[00:04]
benkay	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg5661115#msg5661115	[00:05]
ozbot	BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted	[00:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080315 = 14.0551 BTC [+]	[00:05]
benkay	"Its very bad news why are you going to do this I am very upset need to rethink about this"	[00:05]
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BingoBoingo	So far their winddown doesn't seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy.	[00:06]
benkay	best way to not lose btc is to not do anything with 'em	[00:07]
BingoBoingo	Pretty much.	[00:07]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-13/benchmark-backs-bitcoin-storage-provider-xapo.html	[00:08]
ozbot	Benchmark Backs Bitcoin Secure Storage Provider Xapo - Bloomberg	[00:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]	[00:11]
benkay	yeah that's interesting	[00:11]
punkman	"When you want to safely store your bitcoin savings, use Xapo's Vault. We use layer after layer of proprietary security protocol, including man, machine, and even a mountain"	[00:11]
benkay	one of the funds that got hammered is behind that	[00:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00080229 = 5.5358 BTC [-]	[00:15]
twizt	pankkake: someone pretending to be you PMing me	[00:17]
twizt	pankkakee	[00:17]
twizt	lol	[00:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00080315 = 4.4976 BTC [+]	[00:18]
benkay	what's the scam, twizt?	[00:19]
twizt	trying to trade ltc for btc	[00:20]
twizt	i told him i only trade penis coin for vagina coin LOL	[00:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55722 @ 0.00080058 = 44.6099 BTC [-] {2}	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2809 @ 0.00080315 = 2.256 BTC [+]	[00:24]
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Neil	This MH370 thing is like a real-time slapstick farce.	[00:26]
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nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#558654	[00:28]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:28]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: the privkeys are just printed on regular paper	[00:28]
nubbins`	upon which the sticker is laid	[00:28]
nubbins`	http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/20130803_135932.jpg	[00:29]
benkay	gimme the lulz, Neil	[00:29]
benkay	it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren't in touch with controllers at all time via satellite	[00:30]
benkay	unless of course i'm as usual missing an important part of the situation	[00:30]
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asciilifeform	benkay: the funniest bit is that there is a real-time sat link - including remote control.	[00:34]
asciilifeform	this was introduced in a hurry after '9/11' and vanished from the media as quickly as it appeared.	[00:34]
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ThickAsThieves	nubbins` do the blanks come with stickers?	[00:35]
asciilifeform	has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin?	[00:36]
asciilifeform	i'm reasonably certain that it is possible to do so, but have no wish to steal from anyone.	[00:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	it's been done at hacker conferences and/or in a blog post I believe	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00080331 = 8.3946 BTC [+] {2}	[00:39]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: link?	[00:39]
asciilifeform	if i recall, the current state-of-the-art involves a careful removal and replacement of the hologram	[00:40]
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ThickAsThieves	http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/	[00:42]
ozbot	Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog	[00:42]
nubbins`	old news ;D	[00:42]
nubbins`	apparently they left evidence of tampering	[00:42]
asciilifeform	not what i had in mind at all (if you want to know what, read the channel logs, no reason to repeat)	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	i recall you talking on the topic before	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not interested in them as a foolproof secure storage	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	more a way for family member to store some	[00:44]
asciilifeform	i have very little interest in the subject of casascius in particular, but in general i like the idea of 'blowing' systems that make false promises of security.	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	i trust my mom could keep a coin safe, a bitcoin however	[00:44]
benkay	safe + drives + paper backups	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	+ solvent ink vinyl backups	[00:45]
benkay	bwaat?	[00:45]
nubbins`	like business signs	[00:46]
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nubbins`	i'm not sure if blanks come with paper	[00:46]
nubbins`	err sorry	[00:46]
nubbins`	they do come with stickers	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	drives can corrupt, aqueous ink can dissolve, paper can disintegrate	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	solvent ink can only be removed with solvent	[00:47]
ThickAsThieves	vinyl has different weaknesses than paper	[00:47]
nubbins`	aluminum strips and embossing tape	[00:47]
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benkay	sometime this year i hope to have an etching process up	[00:47]
nubbins`	http://www.qsupplies.com/productcart/pc/catalog/EX113288.jpg	[00:47]
ThickAsThieves	not bad nubbins	[00:48]
asciilifeform	consider clay tablet.	[00:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24430 @ 0.00080355 = 19.6307 BTC [+]	[00:48]
nubbins`	ooh that too	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	does aluminum surive house fire?	[00:48]
nubbins`	doubt it	[00:48]
nubbins`	you can probably melt that tape with a bic	[00:48]
benkay	fast conduction tho	[00:48]
KRS1	alum melts easily	[00:49]
benkay	maybe instead of etching, i'll buy a small mill	[00:49]
nubbins`	has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? << not afaik. would have to be a hefty reward	[00:49]
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nubbins`	since any failed attempt would mean the loss of not-insignificant value	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	not sure who would fund such	[00:50]
asciilifeform	could offer prize specifically for reading the key without physically altering the coin.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	likewise it is not unreasonable to expect players to purchase their own test coin.	[00:51]
nubbins`	you can get brass coins for a premium of ~0.2btc	[00:51]
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ThickAsThieves	loaded?	[00:51]
nubbins`	yeah	[00:51]
nubbins`	2013 1btc brass ones fetch 1.15-1.3 on the forums and -otc	[00:52]
nubbins`	i've seen some sellers offer 2013 0.5btc brass for 0.69	[00:53]
nubbins`	but i wouldn't sell mine for that low	[00:53]
nubbins`	the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn't see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1	[00:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43394 @ 0.00080395 = 34.8866 BTC [+] {2}	[01:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04594999 = 0.1838 BTC [-] {3}	[01:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59763332 = 1.7929 BTC [+] {3}	[01:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.603895 = 1.2078 BTC [+] {2}	[01:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.604 = 1.812 BTC [+]	[01:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]	[01:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34388 @ 0.00080203 = 27.5802 BTC [-] {3}	[01:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00354847 = 1.7742 BTC [-] {14}	[01:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605 = 2.42 BTC [+]	[01:34]
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dexX7_	http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php wow	[01:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+]	[01:41]
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dexX7_	gox trades and balances partly deanonymized with the help of the 2011 leak	[01:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6899 @ 0.00014601 = 1.0073 BTC [-] {10}	[01:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00079891 = 3.1956 BTC [-]	[02:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]	[02:05]
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BingoBoingo	http://betabeat.com/2014/03/newsweek-reporter-bashes-fanatical-bitcoiners-on-facebook/	[02:09]
ozbot	Newsweek Reporter Bashes ‘Fanatical’ Bitcoiners on Facebook \| Betabeat	[02:09]
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Duffer1	in before S.MKNY turns out to be a search engine	[02:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0063834 = 0.3383 BTC [-]	[02:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.006037 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {3}	[02:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00351602 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {9}	[02:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00297191 = 0.2972 BTC [-] {5}	[02:18]
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turbo_ac100	The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right.	[02:19]
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dub	wat	[02:27]
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dub	oh mp discovered that google suck?	[02:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1929 @ 0.00015196 = 0.2931 BTC [+] {5}	[02:28]
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nubbins`	ThickAsThieves lel toffoo is in that list!	[02:55]
nubbins`	;;rated toffoo	[02:55]
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gribble	You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!.	[02:55]
nubbins`	ooh lightbox too	[02:55]
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Duffer1	oh snap Deprived is back	[03:02]
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decimation	asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document?	[03:47]
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asciilifeform	decimation: which one?	[03:54]
decimation	http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.pdf	[03:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.0059186 = 3.1369 BTC [+]	[03:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [+]	[03:55]
decimation	I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise	[03:55]
decimation	except you just have to trust apple	[03:56]
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decimation	of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter	[03:57]
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francis_wolke	http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/	[03:57]
ozbot	Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time \| The Onion - Americ	[03:57]
asciilifeform	i see nothing remarkable in this document.	[03:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0059186 = 0.1302 BTC [-]	[03:58]
decimation	I wish they would release the firmware code	[03:59]
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decimation	http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-solar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html	[04:05]
ozbot	New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning	[04:05]
decimation	The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule.	[04:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [-]	[04:10]
asciilifeform	http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-judge-dismisses-charges-in-Devyani-Khobragade-case/articleshow/31913140.cms	[04:10]
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BingoBoingo	Slow news day, but for the bored: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/invertebrates-inject-a-bit-of-romance-during-sexby-stabbing-each-other/	[04:11]
benkay`	"discretely arrested by US department of state agents outside her children's Manhattan school"	[04:11]
benkay`	i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo.	[04:11]
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asciilifeform	note the role of the famous preet bharara - the roland freisler of our day.	[04:12]
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decimation	no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure	[04:13]
decimation	why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper?	[04:15]
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MisterE	http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1	[04:32]
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benkay`	http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/03/in-turkey-renewed-anti-government-protests/100698/	[04:47]
ozbot	In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic	[04:47]
benkay`	ignore those neo-nazis in crimea	[04:47]
benkay`	who's paying for all of these banners? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/turkey031314/s_t07_78148535.jpg	[04:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00014989 = 0.1363 BTC [+] {3}	[04:49]
decimation	Communists?	[04:50]
benkay`	is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey?	[04:52]
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MisterE	Koch	[04:53]
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BingoBoingo	Gambling and the regulation thereof http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/13/3107196/no-dice-amended-gambling-bill.html	[04:56]
benkay`	"concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines"	[04:57]
benkay`	that being the government's business, of course.	[04:57]
MisterE	and that boys and girls is how special interests run our government	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint	[04:59]
MisterE	hahah	[04:59]
MisterE	I bet those jobs are monimum wage too	[04:59]
MisterE	minimum*	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	Oh, it is an "employee owned casino"	[04:59]
MisterE	while the execs and shareholders clean up	[04:59]
MisterE	oh	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	Whatever that can mean	[05:00]
MisterE	yea	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	I imagine it is like a reverse Berkshire	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00079807 = 2.8331 BTC [-]	[05:00]
MisterE	man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME	[05:01]
MisterE	I should get over there	[05:01]
benkay`	what kinds of mischief would you get up to?	[05:02]
MisterE	Hmm maybe protest porn?	[05:06]
benkay`	naked ladies at the protest?	[05:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32553 @ 0.00079929 = 26.0193 BTC [+] {2}	[05:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0036 = 0.2412 BTC [-] {2}	[05:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799118 = 0.156 BTC [+]	[05:36]
chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/chinese-authorities-halt-virtual-credit-card-payments-tencent-yahoo-crashing	[05:37]
ozbot	Chinese Authorities Halt Virtual Credit Card Payments; Tencent, Yahoo Crashing \| Zero Hedge	[05:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07799118 = 0.39 BTC [+]	[05:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0037 = 0.444 BTC [+]	[05:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00079961 = 6.3169 BTC [+]	[05:46]
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Duffer1	http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit	[05:51]
ozbot	Twitch	[05:51]
Duffer1	heroes of the storm	[05:51]
MisterE	who Duffer1 ?	[05:54]
Duffer1	new blizz moba, it's just total biscuit playing	[05:55]
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BingoBoingo	Kinda related to my writeup on basketball	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/theres-no-basketball-crowd-like-one-close-to-free-big-1543241447	[05:57]
ozbot	There's No Basketball Crowd Like One Close To Free Big Macs	[05:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-]	[05:59]
BingoBoingo	.d	[06:00]
ozbot	4.250 billion \| Next Diff in 1845 blocks \| Estimated Change: 10.5056% in 11d 11h 7m 10s	[06:00]
benkay`	chetty: why'd they do that?	[06:03]
MisterE	War with Russia will be good for the economy	[06:03]
MisterE	benkay`: Chinese hate things they can not control	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Prolly for the BTC ecomony and the remibi. Shit for the others though	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	cablepair is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66851.msg778189#msg778189	[06:17]
VanCleef	that's why china likes america	[06:19]
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benkay`	http://thenitai.com/2014/03/12/why-you-might-not-want-to-incorporate-in-the-usa/	[06:19]
ozbot	Why you might not want to incorporate in the USA \| The Nitai (there can only be one)	[06:19]
benkay`	yuuuuuup.	[06:21]
benkay`	all forces are arrayed against starting a company here.	[06:21]
benkay`	we picked up a contractor from an associate's shop that had folded, and immediately (despite not hiring the man), got a fat packet of mail from the state about this gentleman's employment status asking us all sorts of inane questions.	[06:22]
benkay`	i don't even wat	[06:22]
Mats_cd03	http://imgur.com/a/EOghf	[06:23]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[06:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07799118 = 0.234 BTC [+]	[06:24]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/	[06:37]
ozbot	An Overview of Betable Sports Part 2: Basketball \| Bingo Blog	[06:37]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[07:10]
*	[freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp	[07:10]
BingoBoingo	Is anyone else here developing a visceral dislike of medium.com blogs?	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	fucking js cruft everywhere	[07:11]
BingoBoingo	Great story, shit layout http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/3/12/5496096/james-scott-jailhouse-boxer-profile	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not a bad read that. glosses over some stuff, but at least it glosses over different stuff from the usg propaganda machine	[07:13]
BingoBoingo	HTML for content, CSS for layout and formating, JS for optional dohickeys	[07:14]
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MisterE	what is not a bad read mircea_popescu ?	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism	[07:15]
ozbot	Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,	[07:15]
MisterE	ty	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	dexx jesus the butthurt with that woman is phenomenal. what happened to "i've been a stupid cunt and all it took you folks was five minutes to make it obvious. you're awesome thank you so much for taking the time!"	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess they don't teach that in self-affirmative-shiteater classes for womenz in tech and other important things huh.	[07:17]
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BingoBoingo	I find amazing that in spite of a decade and a half of shitfits related to "extremist groups" whose membership never exceeds the hundreds, actual instability still comes from nation-states whose membership numbers in the millions to the hundreds of millions	[07:19]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	not rly in spite.	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	if your wife suddenly throws a jealousy fit out of the blue, you know she's just been cheating.	[07:20]
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mircea_popescu	even braindead bitcointalk scammers know enough of the world to be screaming thief while stealing.	[07:21]
BingoBoingo	Or she cut out the implanon in her shoulder that was there to ward off the scammzor babies	[07:21]
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mircea_popescu	Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you << so they can join in ?	[07:22]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: hehe, I still think people aren't all assholes ;)	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	repressive society tho. completely different environment.	[07:23]
Azelphur	yea, guess so	[07:23]
BingoBoingo	Actual anti-rape device http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/74629	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	this notion that a woman is a person is very novel and very strange, and rather limited geographically. notwithstanding what western progressives would like to pretend.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	in most of the world, woman chiefly still means head of cattle.	[07:24]
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lnovy	I'll just leave it here... http://youtu.be/D1XPS-j-O24	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	the only way that's changing is once it becomes more productive economically to work than to procreate, which is probably an euphemism for never	[07:25]
Azelphur	lnovy: haha	[07:26]
BingoBoingo	Depends a great deal on the woman	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo less than you'd think. humans are programmable, and women eminently so.	[07:26]
BingoBoingo	Anti-gang rape device, suitable for buses http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30-2.htm	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	a gun ?	[07:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, for some circumstances.	[07:28]
BingoBoingo	I assume the women who would use it would be untrainable	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	think full metal jacket. you see a bunch of women in there with gunnery sargeant gomer pyle ?	[07:28]
BingoBoingo	Might be more valuable operating the missiles, or as officers commanding the mine grunts	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	it takes six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50.	[07:29]
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mircea_popescu	and that's old 1970s data. by now... i'd be surprised if one kid out of ten ever becomes a useful soldier.	[07:29]
BingoBoingo	You see mor women killing with less hesitation in 2009 than you really had before since Joan of arc	[07:29]
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BingoBoingo	And more the killing happens less in useful soldier applications	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	this on tv or irl ?	[07:30]
BingoBoingo	IRL, I've got lots of antidotes, but nothing I can feed a stats machine	[07:30]
BingoBoingo	Male acquaitance killed a lot of goats and no people on a deployment, because everyone else was shooting	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092	[07:31]
ozbot	Men, women, and murder: gender-specific differences... [J Trauma. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI	[07:31]
BingoBoingo	Female acquaintance killed a lot of people because they were unfuckable	[07:31]
lnovy	Are those really comparable? It's bit different to kill and to kill as a soldier, no?	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	A total of 215,273 homicides were studied, 77% of which involved male victims and 23% female victims. Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	lnovy yes, in the sense that it's much easier as a solider.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	basically murder works exactly like siegel indicated : "we don't kill mooks, we just off each other"	[07:32]
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lnovy	I don't share that view... homicides are not always coldblooded killing...	[07:33]
lnovy	uncontrolable soldier is mostly useless	[07:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1853 @ 0.00079961 = 1.4817 BTC [+]	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	lnovy it's about a degree of magnitude easier for me to get some dood to shoot at "the enemy" than it'd be to get some woman to shoot at her would-be attacker.	[07:34]
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mircea_popescu	and as far as guns are concerned, they're for killing not for displaying.	[07:34]
BingoBoingo	Most male vetrans I've seen drunk enough to spill the dark secrets spill that they didn't kill people. A majority of the women who admit to being in firefights admit to shooting to kill people because they really don't want to carry goat boy to term if the base is over run	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo those women also admit to having serious trouble ever dating.	[07:35]
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lnovy	interesting	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	by the time yo uget her where she can defend herself at gunpoint, you also got her to where she's slipping herself roofies	[07:35]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sometimes, but the blowjobs are above par	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo anyway, let's talk something interesting like business	[07:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: SO you get the ATC fund's status.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	the way i'm thinking, if you pick a sport you like and you actually know enough about to make a line, you can then make that line, and promote it like any bookie	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	this should be vig-profitable, whatever it's supposed to make, 8% or what was it.	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	Eh, but getting people, especially in BTC to bite on a line... is a challenge	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	i never heard of a promoter that had it easy.	[07:38]
BingoBoingo	They never do.	[07:38]
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mircea_popescu	that's why the promoter makes dough. if it were easy it'd be every kid and his app situation	[07:38]
BingoBoingo	Right	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i never actually run gambling. but i'm vaguely aware it's a living, so	[07:38]
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BingoBoingo	Apparently it is less of a living than it used to be.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, totally, community is everything. except they have no idea what that word means.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo unlike what ?	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	fucking lawyering is less of a living than it used to be	[07:39]
BingoBoingo	The replacement level poker player is skilling up.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	singer-songwriter is MUCH less of a living than it used to be	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	even cocksucking, if you believe the casino cocksuckers, is much less than it used to be	[07:39]
BingoBoingo	lawyering and s/sing are going down because the replacement level for each sucks more.	[07:40]
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mircea_popescu	mebbe. but for whatever reason... nothing makes what it used to make.	[07:40]
BingoBoingo	Has it ever?	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	kinda the point, bank clerks cca 1950 could maintain a nice beachfront house in california, a housewife and her children	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	bank vps can't afford the same today, with the wife working.	[07:41]
BingoBoingo	1950 was around the time fiat reached its maximum leverage though.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	( http://trilema.com/2012/the-wrong-man/ point in case. guy in that movie is a fine example)	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves punkman benkay it's wences' new thing. he previously made the same exact thing (lemon) which apparently got sold.	[07:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.0008004 = 2.0538 BTC [+]	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	Is Joe the new John Doe?	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	http://trilema.com/2014/me-at-its-finest/	[07:45]
ozbot	Me at its finest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you can probably laser/gamma/magnetic resonance for the ink inside huh.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo pretty much.	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	Works well	[07:45]
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mircea_popescu	dub more like found a good angle to humiliated people with it.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation as far as i recall the theory behind carbon dating and especialyl the "constant decay" part has been under fire for decades.	[07:47]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:47]
BingoBoingo	Oh, the miners are digging into the ATC bid wall nao	[07:47]
joecool	literally lol'd @ that post	[07:48]
joecool	got worried when i saw the link and thought it was about me	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	no see cause you're joeCOOL	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	these are just plain joe.	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	sooo... turkey going up in flames too huh.	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	curious if they finally turn muslim, ataturk's memory and the military can only go so far.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	snotty eu refused to let them in when they had a chance, and much to their detriment, as a eu member turkey would have definitely taken the eu out of any crisis	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	and now...	[07:51]
BingoBoingo	They've been sliding more muslin for two decades now	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	yup	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	it's gone, basically.	[07:52]
BingoBoingo	Eu needed them more	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	much like the crimeea. you can posutre all you want, but in the realpolitik world crimeea was gone the moment obama got raped over syria.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	in a sense, kerry's idiocy sealed its fate, had he kept his stupid mouth shut...	[07:52]
joecool	putin keepin the pimp hand strong	[07:53]
BingoBoingo	At least the Black Sea doesn't seem like ti will be a shooting war anytime soon	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	and obviously, the little secret nobody wants to share in the english language propaganda machine is that currently russian jets are about two classes over anything nato can fly.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	not even counting the pilots, just the machines.	[07:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Crimea was sealed in the NATO Libya intervention when the French Raphaels outperformed the new US aircraft	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	right.	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	and the raphs suck.	[07:54]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that the raphs suck	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	turns out it's not enough to be really firmly convinced you're cool. gotta also do homework.	[07:54]
BingoBoingo	Russia wins on fast planes	[07:54]
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mircea_popescu	and on radar	[07:55]
BingoBoingo	US wins on ONGWTFBBQ planes, but they don'e have many of them... Most aren't approved for flight because pilots need oxygen	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	and on countermissile and on a ton of other shit	[07:55]
BingoBoingo	The US pretty much only seems to have the solid win on strategic bombers... and if those are needed the war's been lost	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the latest su can actually outfly sidewinders	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	well the problem is... strategic bombers are useless in this context. the russians can airplane-intercept tomahawks as it is.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	what's a bomber to do ?	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	Well, according to the Hollywood liason office SU just sells knock off plans to china.	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, there's the B-2... ANd that's about it.	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	su = sukhoi	[07:59]
BingoBoingo	B-2 can fly from western Missouri to western Missouri	[07:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: US only really advertised the MIGs as potention OPFOR... Prolly for morale reasons	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	not if it gets a fuelbomb dropped on its head	[08:00]
chetty	but the US planes were all designed and built according to standards - and union rules and all, they must be the best	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	chetty no doubt about it, they're the best union builds :D	[08:00]
chetty	:D	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah. the migs, here's a funny story about the migs :	[08:00]
joecool	china getting any good at knockoffs?	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	the nato exercise in 2012 consisted of a romanian team flying migs (old migs, mind you) as "the enemy"	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	the romanian team downed half the us planes, and a bunch of french and dutch	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	it was a carnage.	[08:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.0008004 = 15.5678 BTC [+]	[08:01]
BingoBoingo	AH	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	lesson learned ? zero.	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	and these are people who can barely afford the fuel to fly the damned rust buckets.	[08:01]
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chetty	they musta cheated	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	(they did have the jewish elecwarfare upgrades tho, which apparently are damned good)	[08:02]
BingoBoingo	Well, the US killed their most capable carriet based aircraft because Iran needed spare parts...	[08:02]
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BingoBoingo	Well on the news the USN is talking about getting more EWAR variant F/A 18's but the pentagon wants more money for vaporware F-35's because they can take off and land like a helicopter	[08:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48384 @ 0.00080062 = 38.7372 BTC [+] {2}	[08:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2816 @ 0.00080198 = 2.2584 BTC [+]	[08:06]
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joecool	BingoBoingo: and congress is old and keeps earmarking more tanks	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	and to top it all off, we don't even know what the chinese are flying.	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	tho if we're to apply the old yurpean wisdom, considering how fucking scared the russians must be to spend so much on their sus... the chinese must be pretty bad.	[08:08]
joecool	mircea_popescu: i would guess it doesn't really matter what, but there will be a lot of whatever what is	[08:08]
BingoBoingo	Honestly I think China is selling designs to SU now	[08:08]
joecool	zerg rushers, etc	[08:08]
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mircea_popescu	joecool maybe. the thing with them is that they're really good at keeping secrets.	[08:08]
joecool	mircea_popescu: wall builders are usually good at that	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	no chinese gouzenko's let alone wikileaks	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	and so we literally don't know wtf their jets actually are.	[08:09]
BingoBoingo	Who wanted to trade Rare Earths yesterday... MisterE?	[08:09]
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mircea_popescu	but you know, when in 500ad the sarmatians started pushing west, you knew something was scaring them at the other end.	[08:09]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#557705	[08:10]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	wow all caught up with log. iiincredible.	[08:11]
BingoBoingo	Indeed	[08:11]
BingoBoingo	I plan on falling behind in about 20 hours again	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg	[08:12]
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mircea_popescu	here's a nice outfit to celebrate.	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	First I need to come up with a fundraising plan for blog	[08:12]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, how was your vacation?	[08:12]
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BingoBoingo	Would there be more interest in this oil painting http://imgur.com/F6IjZAJ or years, plural of an advertising placement on the blog?	[08:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31878 @ 0.00080198 = 25.5655 BTC [+]	[08:15]
BingoBoingo	My fundraising target for the blog is 2-8 BTC, which should be enough to keep it hosted... forever	[08:15]
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BingoBoingo	I'm amenable to parting with both the painting of Kim Jung Il's heart attack on a train and a portion of my sidebar together.	[08:17]
BingoBoingo	If one of the other bloggers want to be the Patron I would be amenable to Slashdot coaching.	[08:18]
joecool	BingoBoingo: which blog?	[08:19]
BingoBoingo	joecool: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/	[08:20]
joecool	BingoBoingo: what kind of traffic	[08:21]
BingoBoingo	joecool: I am skeptical that I can find sponsors atm in the 2-8 BTC range, but... the blog made slasdot twice in 2014	[08:21]
BingoBoingo	joecool: Traffic is erratic	[08:21]
B007	http://bitcoinaware.com/article/12248/xapo-raises-20-million-for-ultra-secure-bitcoin-storage/	[08:21]
ozbot	Bitcoin Aware \| Aritcles \| Xapo Raises $20 Million for Ultra-Secure Bitcoin Storage	[08:21]
joecool	BingoBoingo: site is abit rough on the eyes, my co is doing design for youmeandbtc in return for advertising	[08:22]
joecool	http://www.youmeandbtc.com/ < old	[08:22]
ozbot	You, Me, and BTC	[08:22]
joecool	http://207.12.89.216/ < new	[08:22]
ozbot	You, Me, and BTC -	[08:22]
joecool	(not done yet, but getting there)	[08:22]
BingoBoingo	joecool: The design aesthetic on my site is ENTIRELY intentional	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	I might get a softer linen background	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	I prefer minimal styling though.	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	As a moral cause	[08:23]
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BingoBoingo	And my best viewership in one day was 34,205 viewers with javascript enabled	[08:24]
B007	Support BingoBlog by sending coins to: 17sTosfHxNzGD4VUP3pjoHCEVofzSEcL95	[08:25]
joecool	BingoBoingo: ah, you might want to look at moving it to something like dropplets	[08:25]
joecool	if you're really serious about minimalism	[08:25]
BingoBoingo	joecool: WTFis droplets?	[08:25]
joecool	http://dropplets.com/ <	[08:25]
ozbot	Welcome to an Easier Way to Blog	[08:25]
joecool	doesn't even use a db	[08:26]
B007	BingoBoingo: what do you do irl?	[08:26]
BingoBoingo	B007: I am a trained librarian who does freelance work because I was fed a lie... Well a lot of lies	[08:27]
benkay	droplets, eh? i imagine i'll go flat flat text with bare links next.	[08:27]
joecool	might want to look at bootstrap too	[08:28]
joecool	it's a little more "traditional" looking	[08:28]
joecool	http://getbootstrap.com/examples/blog/ < etc	[08:28]
ozbot	Blog Template for Bootstrap	[08:28]
B007	librarian? like restock shelves? or do research ?	[08:28]
BingoBoingo	B007: My experience in grad school was in Health Sciences librarianship, but... school is a lie	[08:29]
BingoBoingo	joecool: Bootstrap is not happening	[08:29]
BingoBoingo	Dropplet is probably not happening	[08:29]
B007	how is school a lie	[08:30]
B007	or I guess for you was	[08:30]
benkay	no bingo you see what you really want is something really fancy someone spent a shitload of money on designing	[08:30]
benkay	someone who really matters in the ux world like twitter	[08:31]
benkay	that's how you drive pageviews!	[08:31]
B007	my website has only my own pageviews	[08:31]
benkay	ugh yes everything must now be flat text files gpg signed	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler very long	[08:32]
BingoBoingo	benkay: You understand. I want something ever so slightly more friendly for machine readers than human readers, and I only want rounded surfaced on my dick in sum bitch's mouth	[08:32]
joecool	benkay: well if you want lots of pageviews and don't really care who its from, use buzzfeed as example (or newsweek lol)	[08:32]
benkay	yeah you can get real far with the sv crowd chasing those lcd pageviews	[08:33]
benkay	anyways you guys i get to experience America this weekend!	[08:33]
benkay	some family is flying babydoll and i out for her sister's birthday. this includes a Hajj to Disneyland, apparently.	[08:34]
BingoBoingo	B007: It was a lie in the sense that the program admitted 3x more students than the market would bear and the students who got hired all sucked a meaner dick than I would	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	benkay you're not living in the US ?!	[08:34]
benkay	california is a different country man	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	bejeez all these foreigner terrorists getting uppity...	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	oic	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	so your gf is from topeka	[08:34]
joecool	benkay: i'd like to think florida is too	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	the shame	[08:35]
benkay	topeka?	[08:35]
BingoBoingo	Oh, benkay I would have pegged you as being from the Republic of Oregon	[08:35]
benkay	as in the styx?	[08:35]
benkay	sticks?	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	topeka, kansas.	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	in which you're not anymore, babydoll!	[08:35]
benkay	right right	[08:35]
benkay	sticks, in the vernacular	[08:35]
BingoBoingo	joecool: How much to kill http://www.youmeandbtc.com/ with fire?	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Topeka_1869.jpg	[08:36]
benkay	BingoBoingo my location's pretty trivially deductable	[08:36]
joecool	BingoBoingo: lol	[08:36]
benkay	no points	[08:36]
joecool	BingoBoingo: in other news, pm	[08:37]
BingoBoingo	?	[08:37]
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B007	if you donate I will luv you forever http://www.binaryspawn.com/donate/	[08:40]
B007	so what are some good books to learn about finance?	[08:44]
B007	or websites?	[08:44]
BingoBoingo	B007: I'd suggest Kritik der Urteilskraft	[08:45]
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B007	ask for finance book, get philosophical book	[08:49]
B007	It does lool interesting though	[08:49]
benkay	The Rational Investor	[08:49]
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chetty	same thing B007	[08:49]
benkay	wait hang on wrong title	[08:50]
BingoBoingo	B007: You wanted a book on subjective decision making, I offered te same	[08:50]
B007	yes, thanks	[08:51]
MisterE	great Belarus is getting involved	[08:51]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Link plox?	[08:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00080383 = 10.289 BTC [+]	[08:52]
MisterE	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26564851	[08:52]
ozbot	BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Russia tells UN it does not want war	[08:52]
MisterE	In a sign the tension may be spreading, Belarus - a Russian ally - confirmed Moscow had deployed, at its request, extra fighter jets and military transport aircraft after Nato boosted its forces in the neighbouring Baltic countries.	[08:52]
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BingoBoingo	I wonder if kakobrekla might want to help keep my blog alive for bit4x advertising and an oil painting?	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell dimsler whoa that was quick.	[08:58]
kakobrekla	hm, perhaps i get you some adaptive css instead?	[08:58]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	"China's Li Keqiang warns investors to prepare for wave of bankruptcies"	[08:59]
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B007	"serious challenges"	[09:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.00079969 = 39.7046 BTC [-]	[09:05]
B007	" Beijing is copying the Japanese tactic of ramping up public infrastructure spending to replace the steep slowdown in private sector investment."	[09:05]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: That might work	[09:05]
MisterE	China is in a world of hurt	[09:06]
MisterE	they just dont want the world to know it	[09:06]
benkay	but jets?	[09:06]
benkay	my money's on drone swarms.	[09:07]
BingoBoingo	My hope is I do this one fundraiser. Someone gets a year or decade of advertising, and the balance keeps the site alive for literally, rather than merely figuratively... forever.	[09:07]
benkay	wow there's an idea forever hosting	[09:07]
benkay	o wait blockchain	[09:07]
benkay	stick it in the blockchain, BingoBoingo	[09:08]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Site can't be hosted in the blockchain, but a contract can.	[09:08]
benkay	i heard tell of...	[09:09]
*	benkay hushes voice and looks around	[09:09]
benkay	js embedded in the blockchain that executes in browsers	[09:09]
benkay	oh no!	[09:10]
BingoBoingo	benkay: basically the thought is if BTC keeps going up 30x a year, only a few BTC now can host a site for eternity	[09:10]
benkay	put up a paywall.	[09:10]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Too young. Need at least three years... Or a catastrophic nuclear attack on New York, DC, and LA	[09:11]
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benkay	you're missing the point.	[09:12]
benkay	donations suck.	[09:12]
benkay	sell credits	[09:12]
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benkay	this should be a wp plugin	[09:12]
benkay	someone call phpbrekla	[09:12]
BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw	[09:12]
ozbot	Eiffel 65 - I'm Blue - YouTube	[09:12]
BingoBoingo	benkay: The thing is there is yet to be solid infrastructure for credits or advertising in BTC	[09:13]
BingoBoingo	Aged an critical elders can sell credits	[09:13]
benkay	you have the price dial to turn as well	[09:14]
benkay	furthermore the blog credit market needs some price discovery	[09:14]
cads	hwy guys have you hear about that new cryptocurrency based on protein folding?	[09:14]
BingoBoingo	benkay: It what way can I really turn the dial though	[09:14]
*	cads wishes he wasn't just pulling your legs	[09:14]
benkay	well one of two directions, right?	[09:14]
benkay	either cheaper or more expensive	[09:15]
kakobrekla	meh even the non btc advertising platforms are scams	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	cads noobs gotta think they're smart, you know ?	[09:15]
kakobrekla	how can you expect anything more from btc ones	[09:15]
BingoBoingo	In an immature market though... The dial might not even be attached to the cam	[09:15]
cads	mircea_popescu: I got it. What do you call a cryptocurrency based on protein folding?	[09:16]
benkay	or sell access to specific pieces	[09:16]
cads	An amino-asset.	[09:16]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Well, I've seen little actual promise from ads in either space	[09:16]
benkay	cads brilliant	[09:16]
Duffer1	...............	[09:16]
BingoBoingo	And somehow this shit is more betable than Basketball http://kotaku.com/league-of-legends-pro-attempted-suicide-after-tournamen-1542880793	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	!b 8	[09:17]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1726375/plain/)	[09:17]
BingoBoingo	I swear I tried to do the basketball post as honestly as I could without calling it nigger golf	[09:19]
benkay	bahahaha	[09:19]
MisterE	most pro sports are dominated by blacks	[09:19]
benkay	wow that kotaku article's full of lulz as well. dude crumpled some modern tin fake building and didn't die.	[09:20]
MisterE	heh, I'll read	[09:20]
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cads	"The Skynet hypothesis is a boogeyman intended to scare the young and the paranoid. The real threat from AI is that it will become so good at the pointless tasks that we have given it that those pointless tasks will become a black hole of resources." I am reading an article about a concept the author calls malignant computing - computing that increases itself and hurts the market in an effort to perpetuate itself. http://radar.oreilly.	[09:21]
cads	com/2014/03/malignant-computation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+oreilly/radar/atom+(O'Reilly+Radar)	[09:21]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Explain Hockey?	[09:21]
MisterE	I cant it sounds dumb	[09:22]
MisterE	but I've been to a hockey game and it's very cool	[09:22]
MisterE	its one of those that does poorly transferring to TV	[09:22]
MisterE	unlike basketball that seems built for tv	[09:22]
MisterE	and ftr I think hockey is still dominated by white barbarians	[09:23]
cads	Arguments like that have been raised originally against high frequency trading, and as we're familier with, against the hashchain algorithm.	[09:24]
cads	the author seems to hint that if a proof of work system is going to be malignant and self expandingit may as well be proof of some universally useful work	[09:25]
BingoBoingo	Well I'll post this again in case anyone can't scroll up http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/	[09:25]
benkay	what, securing the monetary base isn't universally useful?	[09:25]
cads	but only gives as an example Primecoin, a c-currency where the proof of work involves finding primes.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/truck-driver-who-wore-vampire-fangs-accused-of-keeping-sex-slaves-in-semitrailer-for-months/	[09:26]
ozbot	Truck Driver Who Wore Vampire Fangs Accused Of Keeping Sex Slaves In Semitrailer For Months « CBS L	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	utah vampyre	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	cads you realise that's a whole lot of ignorant nonsense do you ?	[09:27]
MisterE	http://coingen.io/	[09:29]
MisterE	everyone can have a crypto coin	[09:30]
cads	can we make a computing system that grows such that it harms the market? sure, high speed trading has caused serious disasters - but we can also argue those are just growing pains and we're better off for the high speed bots.	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	that's besides the point. there's a certain troop of losers that have had a purely ideological problem with bitcoin mining since 2009	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	the idea is that bitcoin uses energy, and they don't like using energy. period.	[09:31]
cads	right	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	now, that this is hogwashed into something pompous sounding like "malignant computing" is exactly typical of the mannerisms of the particular ideological group in question.	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	the gargle holds no futher merit past its function as a retard magnet.	[09:32]
chetty	I want a time machine, send those folks back to walk streets a foot deep in horse shit	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	perhaps amusing an exercise would be restructuring the argument, except directed at them.	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	malignant pseudopolitics is this process which expands to occupy all fora available.	[09:33]
MisterE	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/scientist-devised-crypto-attack-could-one-day-steal-secret-bitcoin-keys/	[09:33]
ozbot	Scientist-devised crypto attack could one day steal secret Bitcoin keys \| Ars Technica	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	sort-of what the socialists are doing in the us, or the communists did in the soviet union.	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	it's malignant alright, it's pointless alright, with or without all the huffpo crap the world would be exactly in the same position.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	nao what ? purely ideological construct, works just as well in any random direction.	[09:34]
cads	mircea_popescu: lets leave aside the author's obvious retardation and focus on prime coin and the idea of doing externally useful work as a side effect of the cryptocurrency.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	the entire thing shows striking similarities to the peta-and-animal-saving debacle, for that matter.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	well, there are two major problems involved here.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	one would seem to be thermodynamic, which is to say that the total utility of work available is limited, and if you do outside useful work you won't do the work you set out to do in the first place.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"	[09:36]
cads	the author does provide me with say 30 bits of novel information (I had not known of prime coin - the paper is interesting)	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	im not debating whether it's interesting, it's definitely interesting. i'm just saying it;'s stupid. stupid things are usually interesting, at least as amusements	[09:37]
cads	first example of a scientific computing cryptocurrency (and I certainly hope we'll see more useful ones as well)	[09:37]
Duffer1	scientific utility of a cunningham chain discovery mechanism is debatable	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	no but you're math-literate, how would this work ? you compute two things with the same stone ? what's the idea here ?	[09:38]
cads	mircea_popescu> this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"	[09:39]
cads	this would be neat to model, and may well be true in a very theormodynamic sense	[09:39]
cads	hmm	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	ok, let me offer what i believe is a homomorphism	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	"you can make any sha key you want, as long as every other byte is FA"	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	now. does this mean your key will simply have to be twice as long for equal security ?	[09:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10099644 = 0.202 BTC [+]	[09:42]
BingoBoingo	lol	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	im probably restating well known and anciently established mathematical fact, but here, mp's lemma : any computation of two results can be reduced to two computations of the respective results, and the sum of the energy consumed by the latter will be at most equal to the energy consumed by the former process.	[09:42]
BingoBoingo	Sounds reasonable	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	and actually this could probably be expanded into interesting results for ppl trying to understand various higher level maths. "define a comutative algebra in which a ring can exist for which any addition also calculates a multiplication and vice-versa"	[09:44]
BingoBoingo	Shame Erdos and his bog bag of meth are out of the picture	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	something like the 2+2 = 4 2*2 = 4 sorta thing.	[09:44]
cads	let me offer a counter "you can solve a partial hash collision problem (something like an O(2^k) expected running time), or you can solve a np-complete problem requiring brute searching a binary tree of height k (assume similar expected chance of success)."	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no we want like emmy noether for this shit	[09:45]
cads	Now suppose both solutions are verifiably by a third party in polynomial time. But suppose additionally that the answer for the second problem also has a value of $100 to the third party. The question is should the second process take more energy to compute?	[09:46]
BingoBoingo	Like he didn't have a big bag of meth either	[09:46]
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cads	I feel the value supposition must be completely independent and coincidental to the energy requirements. You could even suppose it is pure coincidence the output of the second algorithm is structured such that it's useful to the third party.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's clearly interesting. or as the romanian expression goes, "un prostovan arunca o piatra in apa si zece filosofi se chinuie s-o scoata"	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	cads but if it's purely coincidental then you don't have a pow that does protein folding, you just have a pow that occasionally folds a protein	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	i imagine after enough btc blocks, we'll actually get shakespeare's merchant of venice in the hashes, so why not	[09:52]
cads	mircea_popescu: it's without question that anyone can look at the outputs of the two algorithms and verify that ~2^k energy was expended. Perhaps the problem happens when we require the second algorithm to also guarantee a useful output relative to the third party.	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[09:52]
BingoBoingo	The rejected hashes might already contain that play.	[09:53]
cads	i don't see it because regardless of the supposed usefullness, the algorithm still uses 2^k energy.	[09:53]
mircea_popescu	cads no but the key is your "or". turn it to "and" and see.	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	cause really to work as advertised or is no good	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo emmy noether was a woman	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	possibly the smartest woman that ever lived.	[09:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0063672 = 0.2038 BTC [-] {2}	[09:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Once they hit the crystal... It's just safest to assign them the pronoun that inspires the least sexual interest.	[09:56]
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mircea_popescu	a bit ironic because the poor woman suffered plenty through being a woman. ended up teaching under hilbert's name because the sort of boneheads roaming about end of 19th century couldn't have a woman colleague	[09:57]
BingoBoingo	Indeed. Most of the really big breaks in computational theory cam from the women before the dorks realized they could make their own fantasy worlds.	[09:59]
cads	well lets see a better example. Problem 1 makes us solve the travelling salesman problem on random graphs. Problem 2 makes us solve travelling salesman on maps that appear indistinguishable from the first ones, but in fact encode valuable information in their solutions. For your hypothesis to be true, it should be impossible for the second problem to cost less energy than the first?	[09:59]
BingoBoingo	Also ironic, how pissed would the whales be if they knew we used the same word for our losers and their dicks.	[09:59]
BingoBoingo	cads: Define indistinguishable	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	cads not at all. my lemma is more general, in your proposed terms it would be :	[10:00]
cads	BingoBoingo: right, I'm to tired to do that rigorously or even tell if why I said even makes sense.	[10:01]
BingoBoingo	For most naive attempts at implementations the second set would likely be simpler and cheaper than the first	[10:01]
cads	BingoBoingo: right	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	should an algorithm exist to resolve the problem of ts on randomly distributed graphs, an application of that algorithm on a selected set of graphs with a useful application will cost more than the normal by an ammount at least equal to the cost of computing the useful application.	[10:02]
BingoBoingo	I mean for the first set you could probably encode information much as RSA does. I don't have enough vodka on hand to speculate if that would be a good idea. Most of Elliptic curve cryptography works on spaces that can be played with in graph theory world though.	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	ie, if on average your useless-pow block costs 1, the useful-pow will cost 1+ε, where ε >= the useful	[10:03]
cads	mircea_popescu: I don't feel it mathematically yet but I feel why we'd like this to hold, economically	[10:04]
BingoBoingo	In a world with Auroa coin and Mazacoin... THere is a good chance random graphs might mine better in tard efforts at implementation	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	to me it's quite straightforwardly obvious but im much too wasted to be able to show it.	[10:04]
cads	mircea_popescu: I think we should be able to test the hypothesis directly against the primecoin if we try hard enough	[10:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Your lemma is sensical so long as it is restricted to hard POW's	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	cads but would we be able to trust the results	[10:05]
cads	mircea_popescu: I feel the same here, for the opposite side	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	this is not unlike proving a given set of numbers is "random"	[10:05]
BingoBoingo	cads: Primecoin isn't even that cool at finding useful primes	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i suppose it degenerates into some sort of banal equality otherwise	[10:05]
Duffer1	not even primes, just cunningham prime chains	[10:06]
Duffer1	Riecoin is the one for large primes	[10:06]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, most minds have their head splints set to promote that nowadays.	[10:07]
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Duffer1	afaik the outcome of either cannot be guaranteed to yield a useful result beyond PoW	[10:07]
BingoBoingo	Interesting: Penrose's book doesn't have an index entry for "random"	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	random is a scam.	[10:07]
BingoBoingo	FOr srs	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	i suppose actually my lemma may end up the equivalent of quantum indeterminacy, but for maths.	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	ie, if you don't look it costs 1, if you look worth ε it costs 1+ε and fuck you.	[10:08]
cads	"Hypothesis: if an algorithm's output provides proof of 1 unit of work, and that output is also usable to provide the equivalent of epsilon units of useful work for another problem, then the energy expenditure of the algorithm must be greater or equal to 1 + epsilon units of work."	[10:08]
BingoBoingo	If random existed it would have an index entry on page 1095 between "quantum reality" and "relatavistic quantum angular momentum"	[10:09]
Duffer1	not necessarily a scam, but certainly not reliable. Prime coin has produced measurable results beyond PoW utility	[10:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00080391 = 7.9587 BTC [+] {2}	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	cads something like that	[10:09]
cads	mircea_popescu: to formalize this completely we'll have to assume something like a polynomial time algorithm that converts the output of algorithm A into a solution for problem B.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	well wait, that's hiding the ε ?	[10:10]
cads	probably	[10:10]
cads	if it works out	[10:10]
cads	that's the only place for the e to come from, isn't it?	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	and importantly, this is looking forward in time.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	you can in principle sift through the history and find convenient cases for any particular problem	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	byt the idea here is that we promise some sort of result in the future.	[10:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07346034 = 3.673 BTC [-] {9}	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	"turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution and also a feather every ten revolutions" is okay, whereas	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	"turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution, then look if any eggs have feathers attached" is not okay	[10:12]
Duffer1	that's pretty much how primecoin works lol	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	o is it ?	[10:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0037 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {3}	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	(i've not looked much into it at all)	[10:12]
cads	suppose we have algorithm A, and we have that a solution of A reduces polynomially solutions B, C, D, E, F, G...	[10:12]
MisterE	major LTC manipulation now	[10:13]
MisterE	Whale is swinging it around like a cat by its tail	[10:13]
MisterE	not that I have ever done that to a cat	[10:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043822 = 0.4382 BTC [-] {14}	[10:13]
MisterE	...	[10:13]
cads	mircea_popescu: we'll have an epsilon for each target problem, and maybe the cost of solving al the target problems starting from A must be greater than or equal to solving B, C, D... seperately.	[10:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00463317 = 0.4633 BTC [-] {5}	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, im wiped. we'll have to continue this tomorro	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	cheers all.	[10:14]
cads	mircea_popescu: I concur	[10:14]
MisterE	laterz	[10:15]
MisterE	interesting	[10:15]
Duffer1	MP read the Primecoin whitepapaer you'd like it	[10:15]
MisterE	do continue	[10:15]
Duffer1	later man	[10:15]
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thestringpuller	speaking of popescus	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	you were ?	[16:33]
nubbins`	read the log D;	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	in a minute lol	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	i gotta article i gotta write first	[16:34]
nubbins`	measles outbreak in nyc	[16:37]
chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/it-begins-past-week-foreigners-sell-record-amount-over-100-billion-treasurys-held-fe	[16:37]
nubbins`	but, y'know, don't bother vaccinating your kids	[16:37]
ozbot	Foreigners Sell A Record Amount, Over $100 Billion, Of Treasurys Held By The Fed In Past Week \| Zero	[16:37]
Diablo-D3	$100 billion is about 1% of treasury bonds.	[16:37]
Diablo-D3	so zerohedge fails to be relevant yet again	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	somewhere in the middle. it's not what they make it out to be, but it is a blip	[16:38]
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mircea_popescu	pretty much all depends on whether tomorrow is 1.x trillion or not.	[16:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00079906 = 9.309 BTC [+]	[16:39]
VanCleef	question is mpex a registered business?	[16:40]
nubbins`	Diablo-D3: they fail at html too	[16:41]
nubbins`	brutal layout	[16:41]
Diablo-D3	VanCleef: not in any nation that metters	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef mpex is a bitcoin business.	[16:42]
VanCleef	okey, but is it incoporated?	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	as a bitcoin business.	[16:43]
VanCleef	ohokey cool,like in the country you live or is it offshored?	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	it does not live in any country. it. is. a. bitcoin. business.	[16:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04517499 = 0.7228 BTC [-] {6}	[16:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50' << i've yet to see this confirmed for homo sapiens vs. homo americanus circa 1940s	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but we were discussing homo americanus neh ?	[16:44]
VanCleef	hehe ok so i guess its not incoporated ina traditional sense,like google or facebook is	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	not any more than google or facebook are incorporated in a proper sense, such as mpex is.	[16:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 695 @ 0.00015014 = 0.1043 BTC [-] {3}	[16:44]
VanCleef	gotcha	[16:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04481 = 0.2689 BTC [-]	[16:45]
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asciilifeform	emmy noether was a titan. i suspect that we still haven't fully digested her output.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	im not the only one catching up on logs huh	[16:50]
asciilifeform	what 'physicist' living today is fit even to be beheaded by noether.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform beheaded may be going a little far, but la petite mort however...	[16:50]
asciilifeform	;;google kaishakunin	[16:51]
gribble	Kaishakunin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The fine art of seppuku: ; Kaishakunin.com - IT-Sicherheitsberatung Magdeburg - Stefan ...:	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15398 @ 0.00079777 = 12.2841 BTC [-] {2}	[16:52]
nubbins`	hmm	[16:57]
nubbins`	that's a euphemism	[16:57]
nubbins`	and reminds me of a website i came across years ago	[16:57]
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nubbins`	http://www.beautifulagony.com/public/main.php	[16:58]
asciilifeform	haha	[16:58]
asciilifeform	old news	[16:58]
asciilifeform	it had cultural impact though:	[16:58]
asciilifeform	in russian sf writer viktor pelevin's epic 'SNUFF', the descendants of the americans (living in a mostly broken-down antigrav ship over what remains of russia) continue to decay,	[16:59]
asciilifeform	feminists raised 'age of consent' to 46	[17:00]
asciilifeform	so most porn that anyone would be willing to see is classified as 'child' and forbidden	[17:00]
asciilifeform	so the officially permitted porn consists of watching the censor's faces as they view the forbidden	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	i've seen some pretty hot 50yos...	[17:00]
nubbins`	^	[17:00]
asciilifeform	and it becomes known as 'derivative porn' or 'Derp' for short.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[17:00]
asciilifeform	viewing Derp becomes a mark of a 'cultured' man	[17:01]
asciilifeform	and everybody pretends to like it.	[17:01]
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Diablo-D3	I would like to classify feminists as girls who are afraid to grow up and become women	[17:02]
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nubbins`	i would like to sit back and have a lel as you folks define feminism	[17:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04629946 = 0.1852 BTC [+] {3}	[17:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.01587764 = 1.5878 BTC [-] {13}	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the mistaken notion that while socialism (ie, the salvation of the members of the group through recourse to the group) doesn't work, subsets of this (such as, the salvation of women by recourse to the group) do somehow magically work.	[17:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.0007977 = 4.7631 BTC [-]	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	because for people that were too fucking lazy and high on their own farts to pay attention in school,	[17:09]
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mircea_popescu	proving something like x^2 > 2x is not sufficient, we then have to go individually and show that 4^2 > 8, 5^2 > 10 etc etc	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	"thinking", in america.	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00591538 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {3}	[17:14]
artifexd	nubbins` Revisit your mark-karpeles link and lol	[17:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/scientist-devised-crypto-attack-could-one-day-steal-secret-bitcoin-keys/ >>>> is it just me or is this whole article moot in regards to Bitcoin, being that no one uses Intel to mine and even malware was made it would have to somehow run on the ASIC system of the chosen device?	[17:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00599369 = 0.1319 BTC [-] {2}	[17:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	blackwhite those quotes are ridiculous	[17:24]
TomServo	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-14/buffett-s-board-opposes-shareholder-s-dividend-proposal.html	[17:25]
TomServo	Shareholder David Witt, who has a stake valued at about $8,650 based on yesterday’s closing price, proposed the measure, stating that Berkshire has “more money than it needs” and that the board should consider the investors who aren’t billionaires.	[17:25]
blackwhite	well that might be but thats hardly an argument :)	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[17:25]
blackwhite	it doesn't really matter cause even if it has a point it's not really the point.	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	right	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	the decimal doesnt matter	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	and no economic shockwaves will happen due to it or bitcoin's eventual shift from inflationary to static supply	[17:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00079759 = 31.5048 BTC [-] {3}	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	what was the source link again?	[17:27]
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ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide	[17:30]
ozbot	Developer Guide - Bitcoin	[17:30]
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bounce	skipped the standard issue FUDwords artcle for the abstract of the paper. it reads like the ecdsa equivalent of the cache hit/miss sidechannel gpg key snatch. ie, don't run bitcoin transactions on shared or even virtual anything boxes. no running wallets on ec2, say.	[17:38]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: isn't everyone tired of cache timing attach being 'reinvented' every month and pushed as a great discovery?	[17:38]
asciilifeform	*attack	[17:38]
Apocalyptic	I for one am	[17:39]
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asciilifeform	this almost calls for a memecat graphic or the like.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	'old attack is old.'	[17:39]
Apocalyptic	and that applies to all these timing side channels attacks	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	ah i somehow assumed they were talking about mining for some reason	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	probably from reading all that primecoin pw log	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	pow*	[17:40]
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asciilifeform	yes, letting enemy run code on the box where you crypto is dumb. news at 11.	[17:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2206 @ 0.00014942 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {5}	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	it's not even fucking hard to reimplement gpg without caching	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	or for that matter, with fake cache hits for the lulz.	[17:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2202 @ 0.000149 = 0.3281 BTC [-]	[17:43]
asciilifeform	still foolish to rely on x86 'rings' for isolation of something genuinely important	[17:45]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform man no one talks about the rings anymore	[17:49]
thestringpuller	lets isolate execution!	[17:49]
asciilifeform	x86 reminds me of certain old soviet apartments, with toilet in the kitchen behind a curtain.	[17:50]
thestringpuller	hahahahaha wow...	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/	[17:52]
ozbot	â€œYou cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.â€	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	in which i'm incredibly fucking mean.	[17:52]
asciilifeform	lol tom knight	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	;)	[17:53]
asciilifeform	those rats	[17:53]
asciilifeform	fellow i know from india (former physicist) confirmed the famous rat temple	[17:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00080078 = 40.9999 BTC [+] {3}	[17:54]
asciilifeform	said to me, 'i went there before any serious maths exam.'	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	yup	[17:54]
asciilifeform	yer supposed to let them nibble on your toes for a bit	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	i prefer less fertile mammals nibbling on my toes.	[17:55]
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Diablo-D3	[11:52:16] http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	unless it runs windows	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1150 @ 0.00085455 = 0.9827 BTC [-] {5}	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	arguably that you can never fix	[17:56]
Diablo-D3	and its the step on the list before reinstalling windows	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	even if you do know what's going wrong	[17:56]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: yeah	[17:56]
Diablo-D3	windows is just fubar	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.23928170 BTC to 3`785 shares, 59162 satoshi per share	[17:59]
VanCleef	sfi what a fail	[17:59]
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pLambert	SFI is an "idea" company?	[18:01]
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ThickAsThieves	it's an idea that funds ideas	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	llegedly	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	a	[18:03]
thestringpuller	that's an amazing idea	[18:03]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	an amazing amazing	[18:03]
VanCleef	what you working on atm ThickAsThieves ?	[18:03]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	a pair of twins.	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	VanCleef, I am at a fork in the road	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	having trouble choosing	[18:04]
VanCleef	hmmmm?	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	to be even less descriptive, I'm not sure what I want to do next	[18:05]
asciilifeform	http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/06/holy-rats-of-karni-mata.html	[18:05]
ozbot	The Holy Rats of Karni Mata ~ The Ark In Space	[18:05]
VanCleef	yeh i think i'm the same atm, bitfunder really cursed me, cant seem to make any winning moves since then	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/24/article-2545066-1AEB2EEB00000578-272_634x822.jpg	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	'que es ser exitosa hoy"	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	i'll probably dedicate my retirement to loling my ass off over fringe repackaging of anglosaxon bs.	[18:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8723 @ 0.00080337 = 7.0078 BTC [+] {2}	[18:08]
VanCleef	what's the craziest thing you'vedone in thelast 2 months mircea?	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	the shit i do ain't crazy, it has its own internal logic.	[18:08]
VanCleef	i mean the most fun	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	he means, tell us a story	[18:09]
VanCleef	ya	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	cuz yknow, trilema isnt big enough	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ya totally.	[18:10]
nubbins`	TIL you can freeze old cheddar with impunity	[18:10]
VanCleef	outside of btc world :)	[18:10]
nubbins`	idly wondering why the fuck nobody told me this before	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` most hard cheeses freeze just fine, tho the purists don't want to admit it.	[18:11]
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ThickAsThieves	since i dont think it was linked yet http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/buffett-stay-away-from-bitcoin/?mod=WSJBlog	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	“Stay away from it,” he said, according to a transcript. “It’s a mirage basically.”	[18:12]
VanCleef	oh yeah i was reading that before, uncle buff makes some good points	[18:13]
nubbins`	read that earlier	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	“I hope bitcoin becomes a better way of doing it,” he said, but “the idea that it has intrinsic value is a joke.”	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	i think buffet ran out of good points	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't have intrinsic value	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	it has a lot of economic goodwill, of the actual varietyt	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to the accounting variety.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	uncle buff should know all about it, or at least did, cca early 80s	[18:13]
pLambert	mircea_popescu: you seem to hate on NEOBEE much, you think they will fail?	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	pLambert i have a very low oppinion of their ceo is all.	[18:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2221 @ 0.000149 = 0.3309 BTC [-] {3}	[18:14]
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nubbins`	cheese sandwiches are divine	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	this has little to do with failure or success, you know, even a blind dog gets a duck once.	[18:15]
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nubbins`	old cheddar, red onion, orange bell pepper, mixed greens, mayo on sourdough	[18:15]
nubbins`	i'd masturbate if my hands were free	[18:16]
VanCleef	i dont know if you guys use cryptostocks but there's like 1 guy on there running about 5 scams atm, its shitty	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	that sounds epic	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	it took a long time to sort them, but it turns out there are some pretty good vegan cheeses being made	[18:16]
nubbins`	wow, really?	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	many many horrible ones	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef im just sitting back and enjoying deprived's predicament re cryptoscammocks,. atm	[18:16]
Apocalyptic	VanCleef, a well known fact cryptostocks is full of scams	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	yeahm you just have to know each cheese's place	[18:16]
VanCleef	i'm sure there's a couple of good gems in there	[18:16]
nubbins`	what are they made from? soy?	[18:16]
VanCleef	cannabit seems alright	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	they are not nearly as flexible	[18:17]
VanCleef	tho share price is doing badly	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	if i recall, i dont like any soy cheeses	[18:18]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/portugal-cove-farmer-hopes-to-grow-medical-marijuana-1.2568583	[18:18]
nubbins`	right on	[18:18]
ozbot	Portugal Cove farmer hopes to grow medical marijuana - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[18:18]
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nubbins`	that's like a 20 minute drive	[18:18]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/0HT0F4g	[18:19]
ozbot	Whoever makes the MtGox story TV special, please get Randy from Trailer Park	[18:19]
nubbins`	leel	[18:19]
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mircea_popescu	cads i doubt the square of x and -x can count as different problems in this context.	[18:20]
VanCleef	i was watching this report on colorado w33d vendors who had 2 problems, 1. they couldn't get business bank accounts cause banks were scared 2. they were dealing with massif loads of cash and had to hire like ex mercenary types of p33ps to move the fiat for them.	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/did-russia-just-dump-its-treasury-holdings/?mod=WSJBlog	[18:21]
ozbot	Did Russia Just Dump Its Treasury Holdings? - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	vancleef didnt obama tell banks to ease up on weed growers?	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	dunno if that actually matters	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	but i think he may have	[18:22]
VanCleef	i dont know i tune out whenever oh bummer talks	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	MisterE: looks like Stamp is the new king <<< markets centralize.	[18:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00079968 = 5.553 BTC [-]	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	Neil i was curious what your estimated jtd would be, at the time of the 2nd tranche ipo of mpoe. ie, two years ago to the day.	[18:23]
VanCleef	in the future people will be saying "man i just got stamped"	[18:24]
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pLambert	doesn't have the same ring as I just got Goxxed, but it makes more sense linguistically	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	why not keep saying goxed	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	dont let that nigga live it down	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	blackwhite none of those pieces of crud are arguments. they're just flaming ignorance being stubbornly presented by people who are too haughty to read trilema. all that shit's been debunked there cca 2012.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	that aside, neil has it :D	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ahaha poor spitoon what a wot.	[18:28]
nubbins`	i know hey?	[18:28]
nubbins`	it's almost too good to leave ratings on	[18:28]
VanCleef	hehe tat	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	indeed lol	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	Neil the thing is, unless bitcoin gets to make the rules we're wasting our time here.	[18:30]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoin isn't "a currency" nor much of a "medium of exchange" at all. it's a substitute for government is what it is. in all its forms, from actual electoral validation processes to deciding where you eat today, and how much.	[18:31]
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nubbins`	^ it's true, bitcoin chose the cheese sandwich for me	[18:31]
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mircea_popescu	aristotle's politics just became second rate in the field of revolutionary. nakamoto's paper easily takes the top spot	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` funny but true, ye know ?	[18:32]
nubbins`	bit of a convoluted process, but yeah	[18:32]
nubbins`	hmm, sourdough starter for btc, shipped worldwide	[18:33]
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mircea_popescu	Nubbins' Dough ?	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	(accept no substitutes)	[18:33]
chetty	customs just might object nubbins'	[18:33]
nubbins`	the starter itself is just a wild yeast colony that lives in a home of flour and water	[18:34]
nubbins`	chetty, maybe -- i know lots of places in san francisco ship dried starter worldwide	[18:34]
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nubbins`	it's the sort of thing that you could make yourself from scratch, but why do that when you can purchase an established starter that's already developed its own taste and characteristics?	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` thought : whether you do this or not, do the following : make a website follow the generations.	[18:35]
chetty	cause catching the yeast yourself is more fun!	[18:35]
nubbins`	sourdough pedigree	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	then if you actually sell it down the road, you have a history. if you scrap the thing, whatever. a website.	[18:36]
nubbins`	chetty: it really is :)	[18:36]
nubbins`	i made mine from scratch about a year and a half ago	[18:36]
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ThickAsThieves	Dat Dough Dough	[18:37]
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nubbins`	there are places in san fran that have been using the same starter for >150 years	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	i heard that too yeah	[18:38]
nubbins`	pretty much a different species at that point	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	well, a subspecies	[18:38]
nubbins`	er yeah, that's what i meant ;(	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	tho... i don't suppose they actually are isolated you know ?	[18:39]
nubbins`	"it's not even yeast anymore!"	[18:39]
nubbins`	well, as much as possible	[18:39]
chetty	it does improve with age, mostly	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	new bugs fall in and contribute genetic material prolly all the time	[18:39]
nubbins`	the big no-no is feeding your starter with anything but plain white flour	[18:39]
nubbins`	that said, yeast is in the air all around us	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	BitChrista you type in the lower bar thing to talk	[18:39]
nubbins`	you can train your starter, too	[18:40]
nubbins`	get it used to different feeding schedules	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	that does something ?	[18:40]
nubbins`	some people feed 2x daily, others 1x	[18:40]
nubbins`	the starter adapts pretty easily	[18:40]
nubbins`	anyway bbl gotta install some venting	[18:41]
chetty	good grief, once a week is plenty	[18:41]
BitChrista	Thanks Mircea_Popescu	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	!t h neobee	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[18:43]
gribble	Time since last block: 12 minutes and 55 seconds	[18:43]
BitChrista	mircea_popescu, what wuestions do you have about CoinVox?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	floor just fell out of mining again, ridiculous.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	BitChrista well, what is it, what does it do ?	[18:43]
BitChrista	We are a payment processing platform that allows politicians/ people running for office to accept donations in Bitcoin.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	ah that!	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	so do you have some particular angle for that market that puts you in a better position than say bitpay ?	[18:44]
BitChrista	Soon they will be able to accept all cryptocurrencies. We will likely branch out to non-profits and social impact as well	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	how does it differ from them accepting it directly or via coinbase/bitpay?	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	do you handle AML or such?	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	bitbet is in crazy mode again, doing 50 btc a day and shit.	[18:46]
BitChrista	There are many regulations for politicians already with just accepting cash donations, It's a little trickier with Bitcoin. I also work for a web marketing company that works with candidates so we know all the regulations and compliance. So we just have the upperhand in the fact that we know how to stay in legal boundaries.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	this is a us only thing is it ?	[18:46]
BitChrista	ThickAsThieves, I'm sure we will encounter AML at some point but haven't yet.	[18:47]
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BitChrista	We want everything to be done legally, no laundering.	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	i thought you worked with politicians?! ;)	[18:47]
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BitChrista	Haha right	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	mp all the best bets are diff ones	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	maybe a market to target	[18:48]
BitChrista	Even though we are non-partisan, I'm excited because we know which party has all the Bitcoin	[18:48]
BitChrista	muahaha	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	wait you alreadt have huh	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	you said something about advertising cex.io	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	but the reverse might be good	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	yeah the diff bets are a major part of bitbet, mostly because it's one of the few places where btc holders are well connected to the economy.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	BitChrista so are you keeping a list of "Best For Bitcoin" politicos somewhere ?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	like an issues-group or how you call them ?	[18:50]
chetty	BitChrista I doubt many bitcoiners are either party really	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	score all reps etc	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	i think she is implying Libertarians	[18:51]
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ThickAsThieves	cuz Erik has all the coins	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	aren't the winklejesusii democrat ?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	and also branson, and a number of other people who have little to nothing to do with bitcoin ?	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	winkles wont hold those coins for long	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	the mtgoxbtc they had you mean ?	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	they'll prolly hold it undisturbed to judgement day	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	possibly	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	plus isnt their whole ETF to sell the coins?	[18:52]
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ThickAsThieves	oh yeah nubbins, i wanted to note that toffoo also had a top 5000 account on that gox trader list	[18:53]
BitChrista	mircea_popescu, I've been doing some research. I have a solid list, mostly of those running for congress. People are starting to come to us though which is nice	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	In insurance, as elsewhere, the reaction of weak managements to weak operations is often weak accounting. (“It’s difficult for an empty sack to stand upright.”)	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	something like 2500+	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	gotta love buffy, the bezzle slayer	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	BitChrista that's nice. anyway, fyi, this is the place where bitcoin finance is hatched, so, probably worth your time to lurk.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	gotta meet politics with finance or else what good is it.	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves toffoo is old time, prolly pre-2013 most of it	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	an important thing to keep in mind looking at the list	[18:55]
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ThickAsThieves	which is now gone anyway	[18:55]
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BitChrista	mircea_popescu thank you for introducing me to this chat room. I completely agree, once Bitcoin is in politics it'll be untouchable.	[18:56]
Duffer1	hehe	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	there's about a billion or so worth of bitcoins represented here, and likely more reachable because the logs make popular morning newspapers for many people	[18:57]
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mircea_popescu	so yeah.	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	most likely way itll end up in politics and wall st is via greed though	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	ofcourse.	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	good luck have worthy representatives in that case	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	having*	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	there's more to be made serving bitcoin interest than serving ws interest today, for the young aspiring politician	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	he just needs enough of a clue to figure that out.	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	i guess any motivation to have people with a clue going into politics is helpful	[18:59]
chetty	they will, politicians smell money	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	the situation is roughly similar with "there's more to be made financing silicon valley cca 1960 than financing banking or energy sector stocks".	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	currently i	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	'm not sure why anything worth anything would choose a life in politics	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	it's a challenge.	[19:01]
Duffer1	the whore olympics	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	don't knock it till you rode it duffy.	[19:01]
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ThickAsThieves	why stop?	[19:02]
BitChrista	mircea_popescu were you really? I feel like that would weather someone down fast	[19:03]
Duffer1	wow i did not see that coming MP	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i got bored.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	BitChrista if you think that'd wear someone down, try being mp for a week :D	[19:03]
BitChrista	mircea_popescu Haha!	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	i can understand that for sure	[19:03]
nubbins`	chetty: once a week?! your poor starter :(	[19:03]
Duffer1	being american i suppose i forgot there's non american politics out there..	[19:04]
BitChrista	Still, please show me a happy politician	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you gotta appreciate, romanian politics 1990-2005 much more interesting than anything anyone's seen i nthe us.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	with perhaps the exception of chicago.	[19:04]
nubbins`	chetty: well, to be fair, that's fine for maintenance -- i've gone as long as two months without feeding mine and successfully revived it -- but i bake every 3 or 4 days	[19:04]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: saw toffoo's name there. half of -otc is on the list	[19:04]
nubbins`	lightbox is on there ;D	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	but anyway, for self-c0k stroking purposes : i was one in the "secret circle" of romanian national liberal party, which went from making 3% in an alliance to making its own government by the time i left romania.	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	then i quit it in 2008, at the time it was in power. it looks like it will make... about 3% next electoral cycle.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	so... yeah. it was all me.	[19:05]
nubbins`	liberal party!	[19:05]
Apocalyptic	.d	[19:05]
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nubbins`	ain't no party like a liberal party	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` in the east liberal means you know, right of conservative.	[19:06]
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mircea_popescu	this socialist re-defining of liberal is a purely us thing.	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	like re-defining democrat	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	or everything else.	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	ideas!	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, liberal canonically means, no government, no regulation, free market etc.	[19:07]
nubbins`	funny how it means the opposite some places now	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	i watched Atlas Shrugged Part 2 last night	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	in romanian parlance of the time, the opposition (ie, what the us bipartisanly does) was called.... communism.	[19:07]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: and you still have your eyes?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	in the sense that "this is just the old pcr stuff rehashed"	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	it was tough	[19:07]
nubbins`	ayn rand is a pretty big lel	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	i dont understand why they are dragging it out over so many installments	[19:08]
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nubbins`	shoulda called it "readers shrugged"	[19:08]
Duffer1	ask ayn rand	[19:08]
asciilifeform	does Ro still have a classical communist party?	[19:08]
Duffer1	it's all about dat paper	[19:08]
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nubbins`	Duffer1: we can't because she died on welfare D;	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it was made illegal in 1990 iirc.	[19:08]
Duffer1	hehe	[19:08]
nubbins`	canada has a communist party, can't say i know much about their operations	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	it might, as a private joke of some bored people somewhere	[19:09]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i think that one is of the same variety as cpusa	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	cpusa still a thing ?	[19:09]
nubbins`	they might get a vote or two every federal election	[19:09]
asciilifeform	might be just some guy now. it was 100% moscow funded, afaik	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so was it teh putin that sold all those bonds earlier ?	[19:10]
asciilifeform	ask him, not me	[19:10]
nubbins`	about 30% of it was me exiting my position	[19:10]
asciilifeform	but it does smell like 'warning shot'	[19:10]
nubbins`	LEL I KID	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	it does yeah.	[19:10]
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nubbins`	pascale agreed to do a 3-hour screenprinting class down at the textiles school today	[19:13]
nubbins`	poor woman	[19:13]
asciilifeform	rand is a kind of niche cult figure here in usa.	[19:13]
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nubbins`	asciilifeform: for reasons i still don't quite understand	[19:13]
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nubbins`	but hey, people were into limp bizkit	[19:13]
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nubbins`	no accounting for taste	[19:13]
asciilifeform	http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	fuck this hard drive is going	[19:14]
nubbins`	it's not often i give up on a book partway through	[19:14]
nubbins`	quite infrequently after i pass the 400-page mark	[19:14]
nubbins`	but man oh man	[19:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they don't sell 'raid5' boards where you live?	[19:14]
nubbins`	atlas shrugged... what a fuckin beat-off	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's just an ancient system doing various net stuff	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	but the drive just clicked	[19:14]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: swap it for 'ssd' - but specifically, one several times larger than necessary	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	im never using ssd, fuck that shit.	[19:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'write levelling' will give you a good 5+ years of life.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	i may be the only buyer left for spun drives and crt monitors in a 100 mile radius	[19:16]
asciilifeform	i refuse to run spun drives other than in a r5 harness of 4+	[19:17]
Apocalyptic	crt monitors, really ?	[19:17]
nubbins`	dem rays	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic ayup. the magic that you know and love as my endless spam is hatched on electron excitated phosphorus coatings.	[19:17]
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ThickAsThieves	i got rid of my last crt a couple years ago, a huge trinitron	[19:17]
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asciilifeform	(spun drives from golden age is another matter. i have a 1985 seagate that still runs.)	[19:18]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: did ya pop it?	[19:18]
mod6	holy shit asciilifeform	[19:18]
nubbins`	very satisfying	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this was if memory serves a 1992 seagate.	[19:18]
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ThickAsThieves	no i gave to some disposal place	[19:18]
nubbins`	shame	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	it was a 24"er	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	massive	[19:18]
nubbins`	you have to pay $50 to leave a crt at the dump here	[19:18]
nubbins`	but they mostly turn a blind eye	[19:18]
nubbins`	given that the alternative is illegal dumping, of which there's already too much	[19:19]
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ThickAsThieves	we have a nonprofit that handles it	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	i think you actually get paid here	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	makes sense, isnt there like 8lbs of lead in the big ones	[19:21]
asciilifeform	http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/prodpics/PRODPIC-22982-1.jpg	[19:21]
asciilifeform	one of these.	[19:21]
asciilifeform	(pictured is 'maxtor', of same shape)	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	yeah, they mostly reuse them. as long as you give it up clean/sorted (ie, not covered in rotten meatjuices or w/e common garbage) they usually give you a few cents/kg	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	most people just leave the stuff outside on set dates for the dump workers to collect it (they get the respective cents themselkves, sort of like a tip)	[19:22]
asciilifeform	if you love crts, learn to fix them. it isn't optional	[19:22]
asciilifeform	afaik trinitron tube is no longer made.	[19:22]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/blood-donor-payments-to-be-outlawed-in-ontario-1.2572496	[19:22]
ozbot	Blood donor payments to be outlawed in Ontario - Health - CBC News	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform or live in a country where they fix shit.	[19:22]
nubbins`	^ not sure if i'm for or against	[19:22]
nubbins`	on one hand, great way to get people to give blood	[19:23]
nubbins`	on the other hand, great way to get junkies to lie about their past	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	im against. Blutgeld !	[19:23]
nubbins`	on the other other hand, they test all the blood anyway	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	mp i wonder if part of your reason for needing super large text isnt your crt ;)	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	i don't need it! i like it! there's a difference!	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	and a good crt is way better than the best lcd/lft we you'll ever find.	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	great for low-rez porn i guess	[19:24]
nubbins`	anyway these "paid donation clinics" weren't even operated by canadian blood services, nor were they collecting for transfusions	[19:24]
nubbins`	if CBS has a problem w/ shortages, maybe they should stop banning queers from donating blood	[19:25]
nubbins`	JUST A THOUGHT	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know designers/print process ppl etc mostly use crts to this day	[19:25]
nubbins`	pantone or nothin' baby, don't trust the screen	[19:25]
asciilifeform	there exists lcd that is acceptable substitute for a trinitron. $2K+.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	not in my experience, but i could see some doing it	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	i had one for very long	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	uh. what, srsly ?	[19:26]
nubbins`	srsly	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` an electron cannon you can actually calibrate to work.	[19:26]
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asciilifeform	two vendors i know of - 'eizo' and 'barco'	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	but once i saw the large Apple monitors	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	these led things, not yet.	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	i couldng go back	[19:26]
asciilifeform	notice apple not in the list.	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	now i use the cheapo versions	[19:27]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: not a big deal if you can't also calibrate the client's monitor	[19:27]
asciilifeform	apple does not make optics	[19:27]
asciilifeform	they use, afaik, 'sharp' matrices.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` but you're controlling the print process, what's the client to do	[19:27]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: provide pantone colors ;)	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[19:27]
asciilifeform	serious lcds (mentioned above) come with a kind of hockey puck with calibration sensors	[19:27]
pLambert	is there an api call that returns the number of shares of mpex stocks?	[19:27]
asciilifeform	it plugs into jack in the back	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	yeah i used to calibrate all my shit with expensive stuff	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	pLambert no, the way this is done is that dividends and contracts list the share count.	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	drove me crazy when i'd hunch over an employee whose monitor was outta whack	[19:28]
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pLambert	so I have to read through the contracts and find the shares outstanding?	[19:28]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: amusing how often people don't realize	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	amazing really	[19:28]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	pLambert either that or parse the div payments	[19:28]
nubbins`	"why is everything tinted blue?" "what do you mean?"	[19:28]
pLambert	how do I get the div payments?	[19:29]
nubbins`	then ya fix it and they say "but it's all red now"	[19:29]
nubbins`	facepalm	[19:29]
asciilifeform	the proper 'eizo' can be had used/surplus for $1k or so.	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	another huge pet peeve i have is when the wife watches the non-hd tv channels	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00041694 = 0.4169 BTC [-] {5}	[19:29]
pLambert	is there a list somewhere of api commands?	[19:29]
nubbins`	^ hif took a dive	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	she doesnt care at all	[19:29]
nubbins`	i guess i'm not the only person who noticed topace/lightbox on that gox list	[19:30]
nubbins`	;p	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:30]
asciilifeform	i find it strange that people would skimp on a device that they stare at for 12+ hrs/day.	[19:30]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: monitors and chairs	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	Mar 04 11:22:27 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	pLambert ^ like that	[19:30]
pLambert	nubbins`: HIF is still 4x my bid	[19:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9611 @ 0.00080389 = 7.7262 BTC [+]	[19:30]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: don't forget - also, keyboards.	[19:30]
nubbins`	pLambert: fifty cents say no divs this quarter	[19:30]
pLambert	just this quarter? how bout this year?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	divs are overrated anyway	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	a sad sympthom of a cash starved community of shoelace investors.	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	HIF was always insultingly overpriced	[19:32]
pLambert	says the guy who has the best track record of paying divs in bitcoins?	[19:32]
nubbins`	heh	[19:32]
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nubbins`	pLambert: fair enough	[19:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you have what, SGI crt?	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	pLambert well yeah, but still. what's the average dividend across nyse index, 1950 to 1970 ?	[19:32]
nubbins`	unforseen expenses mumble mumble growth mumble	[19:32]
pLambert	I have no idea?	[19:32]
nubbins`	say, what type of cooking oil does everyone use?	[19:33]
nubbins`	a bit OT, i know	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	we actually had some cooking oil discussion once	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform currently a 21 inch dell thing. i used to have a splendid 24 inch sony but hey.	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	mostly about burning points	[19:34]
nubbins`	yeah	[19:34]
nubbins`	that's why i was asking	[19:34]
nubbins`	i use evoo (a waste for frying, really) and it smokes too quickly	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` corn or olive	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	Sony always flirting with being known for quality, then always fucking it up by being weird	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	tho i mostly use butter. it's better for you :D	[19:35]
nubbins`	i may switch to canola for frying	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	i use mostly olive	[19:35]
nubbins`	patriotic too ;p	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	but i dont deep fry	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	other than that 1 week	[19:35]
nubbins`	deep frying in the home is fuckin gross	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	pLambert http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/goog/dividend-history :p	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	goog keeps saying theyre gonna split	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	but never happens	[19:36]
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nubbins`	i know some cast iron aficionados who only ever use bacon grease	[19:36]
nubbins`	but i don't really eat bacon	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D	[19:37]
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nubbins`	it's funny, the guy who runs javaranch.com (a friendly place for greenhorns!) turned me onto cast iron	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	i have a pot too. they're good for many things.	[19:39]
nubbins`	anyone who spent any amount of time writing java is likely familiar with the site; few realize the guy who runs it is a real simple-living guy	[19:39]
nubbins`	nod	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	like shrimp.	[19:39]
nubbins`	teflon and other non-stick coatings are the biggest con	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	you can never get the shrimp properly cooked other than in a cast iron pot.	[19:39]
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nubbins`	http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete bt otherwise your article suffers from a very strangely naive approach. ever heard of a dicelist ?	[19:41]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:41]
nubbins`	i was in awe the first time i saw someone cook an omelette on cast iron	[19:41]
nubbins`	it SLID off the fucking pan onto the plate.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	yup	[19:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.0007988 = 25.4018 BTC [-] {3}	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/octopus-omlette/ << example.	[19:42]
ozbot	Octopus omlette pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[19:42]
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nubbins`	canned octopus	[19:42]
nubbins`	:o	[19:42]
tim-tams	bingoboingo	[19:42]
nubbins`	shamefully, it's impossible to buy a proper cast iron pan (i.e. one with a machined bottom) these days	[19:43]
nubbins`	you gotta do all the legwork yourself	[19:43]
nubbins`	or buy one on ebay from a rube who never bothered to learn how to use it	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete ah i see it's in the footnote. but yeah, the select from a page process is very dubious (natural languages don't have equally distributed words, it's actually how zipf curves were discovered in the first palce)	[19:45]
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mircea_popescu	"Lenin seems to have believed that the party, as organized consciousness, consciousness as a decision-making machinery, had superior reasoning power. Indeed, in time this collective body took on an aura of infallibility, which was later elevated to a dogma, and a member’s loyalty was tested, in part, by his acceptance of it. It became part of the communist confession of faith to proclaim that the party was never wron	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	g.... The party itself never makes mistakes."	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, this is narrowly mirrored by the all too fashionable ideea these days that there's some sort of wisdo min the crowds.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	people firmly believe that codebases magically improve just by adding to them the possibility that someone might have read them	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	open source infallibility, the notion that wikipedia is in any sense an encyclopedia, everyone's obsession with crowd-sourcing and usg...	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	it's really quite bolshevik, comrades.	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	(quote via rockwell's restatement of rothbard's rand commentary)	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	"In a development eerily reminiscent of the organized hatred directed against the arch-heretic Emanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984, Rand cultists were required to sign a loyalty oath to Rand; essential to the loyalty oath was a declaration that the signer would henceforth never read any future works of the apostate and arch-heretic Branden."	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha this shit actually hapepned, too.	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 40.50883562 BTC to 80`674 shares, 50213 satoshi per share	[19:59]
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nubbins`	amazing	[20:05]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[20:05]
nubbins`	...company	[20:05]
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ThickAsThieves	so what's up with this NJ banning Tesla thing	[20:12]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: TIL saltyspitoon was 16 when pirate left that feedback :o	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	is there an angle that isnt ridiculous?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	yes. they're fucking dangerous.	[20:12]
asciilifeform	the electromobile firm? or some other tesla	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	Tesla dealerships are dangerous?	[20:13]
nubbins`	BUT DANGEROUS TO WHOM	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	the one ton ion battery on wheels.	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	to middlemen?	[20:13]
nubbins`	the future is dangerous to middlemen too	[20:14]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[20:14]
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asciilifeform	if i recall, there were fuses between the smaller cells of which the battery was built.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	nj wants to extract taxes out of the deal. if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	seems legit.	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	i thougt NJ already has a tax system for retail?	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	i think they were exploiting a loophole	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	ahhh	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	maybe these articles should lead with that	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	then they could charge for them	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	these articles only speak of cutting out middle men and new franchise license requirements	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	i see nothing of tax loopholes	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	the concept of disallowing direct sales anywhere is what is boggling me	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	but the middle man makes some money, of which it pays some money.	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	but isnt this about whats in the interest of the consumer?	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	"if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least."	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	if it's about more opportunities to tax, why dont we have 3 layers of middle man	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	the more the better!	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	also, afaik nj is an important lobby stronghold for importers in that market.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	chris christie wants to protect his career, he can't piss off the larger players	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	so people buy their Tesla in a surrounding state	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	even worse	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	notrly, let enough do that then slap a surcharge on them	[20:22]
ThickAsThieves	one more reason not to live in NJ i guess	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	but why, they'll make an electric carbit license.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	best place to be.	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	meh i need to think about somthing else	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.techworm.net/2014/03/mt-gox-leak-archive-tricks-people-to.html	[20:27]
ozbot	Mt. Gox leak Archive tricks people to install Bitcoin stealer Malware. \| TechWorm	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	people are really still this dumb?	[20:27]
Apocalyptic	yes	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	hacker is distributing an .exe	[20:27]
asciilifeform	'let's all boot up winblows and run this 700M exe of unknown provenance'	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	open it up!	[20:27]
Apocalyptic	but it says tibannebackoffice !	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves someone was saying a few days ago about all the bitching that thing caused in ##mtgox	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic was it just a renamed backoriffice for maximal lulz ?	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	i imagine many were saved merely cuz they downloaded it to their phones	[20:28]
Apocalyptic	haha, don't think so	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	i cant open this file wtf!	[20:28]
asciilifeform	the real lul is that this trick almost never yields any detectable coin	[20:28]
asciilifeform	because lusers typically haven't any.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	reminiscent of mp's piece re: spam being largely a cargocult	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	http://issuu.com/playbig/docs/ybitcoin_spring_2014_complete	[20:29]
ozbot	ISSUU - yBitcoin Spring 2014 by PlayBig Digital	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	see the latest in whose advertising and what Erik has to say	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	it yields the illusion of being "part of the community"	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	in this case, the cool community of haxxorz.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	im sure while it fails to produce much coin if at all, it produces tons of definitely very valuable "views"	[20:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.04629971 = 2.4539 BTC [+] {2}	[20:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12511 @ 0.00080402 = 10.0591 BTC [+]	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	which you know, is what the economy of the bankrupt world degenerated into, the economy of views. of which unit of account is one "mom look at me! mom look! mo-om!"	[20:31]
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mircea_popescu	"Driven by their conception of rational duty, every Randian lived in – and indeed was himself – a community of spies and informers, ready to ferret out and denounce any deviations from Randian doctrine. Thus, one time a Randian, walking with a girl friend, told her that he had attended a party at which several Randians had made an impromptu tape imitating the voices of the top Randian leaders. Stricken by this dire	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	information and after spending a sleepless night, the girl rushed to inform the top leadership of this terrible transgression. Promptly, the leading participants were called on the carpet by their Objectivist Psychotherapist and bitterly denounced in their "therapy" sessions: "After all," said the therapist, "you wouldn’t mock God." When the owner of the tape refused the therapist’s demand to relinquish it so that	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	it could be inspected in detail, his doom as a member of the movement was effectively sealed."	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	ahaha this shit's too good. did this one actually happen ?	[20:34]
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ThickAsThieves	if they were lucky	[20:36]
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TomServo	nubbins`: peanut oil has a high burn point, great for frying fish	[20:43]
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HeySteve	the first Diesel engine ran on peanut oil	[20:47]
HeySteve	it's good stuff	[20:47]
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nubbins`	TomServo: so greasy tho!	[21:00]
nubbins`	fish is the one thing that i dislike frying in cast iron	[21:00]
nubbins`	we usually buy skin-on salmon and it gums the fuck out of the pan	[21:01]
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nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426987.0	[21:03]
ozbot	New MicroSoul coins for the masses 0.01	[21:03]
nubbins`	hologram misspellings now an intentional feature, it seems	[21:04]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/444550285651107840	[21:07]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: KRAMER: Will you look at this? ...	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` supposedly this is how art evolves. mistakes end up baked in by their success.	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	so basically in rothbard's reading, this rand character is the quintessential balabusta, a staid, obnoxious, overarching yet profoundly ignorant and puritanical fat old woman.	[21:36]
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nubbins`	i didn't realize she was fat	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	me either. but from reading this i can't imagine the woman under 200ish lbs	[21:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 682 @ 0.00334001 = 2.2779 BTC [+]	[21:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.0034 = 0.2414 BTC [+]	[21:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008043 = 11.22 BTC [+]	[22:02]
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asciilifeform	http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=9466412	[22:11]
ozbot	Pinkberry co-founder Young Lee sentenced to 7 years in 2011 beating of transient \| abc7.com	[22:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]	[22:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00079762 = 20.3792 BTC [-] {3}	[22:25]
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nubbins`	interesting how they capitalize Good Samaritans	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform guy shoulda started a police department instead of a frozen yogurt brand.	[22:30]
nubbins`	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/03/14/1458235/weak-apple-prng-threatens-ios-exploit-mitigations	[22:30]
ozbot	Weak Apple PRNG Threatens iOS Exploit Mitigations - Slashdot	[22:30]
asciilifeform	lol!	[22:31]
nubbins`	apparently it's worse than the old one.	[22:31]
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asciilifeform	why a gizmo where the manufacturer controls the whole stack, silicon up, needs any prng at all, remains a mystery.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	"needs".	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	apple aren't engineers, they're like yahoo. a media buying company.	[22:33]
asciilifeform	they stamp out their own 'arm' clone now	[22:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+]	[22:35]
nubbins`	^	[22:38]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6	[22:39]
ozbot	Apple A6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[22:39]
nubbins`	designed by apple, stamped by samsung	[22:39]
asciilifeform	many famous semiconductor firms are 'fabless'	[22:39]
asciilifeform	e.g. the late Sun	[22:39]
nubbins`	^	[22:40]
nubbins`	and why not, really	[22:40]
asciilifeform	sparc was built at toshiba, if i recall.	[22:40]
BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Hello	[22:42]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/george-street-girls-topless-for-kirill-sparks-outrage-1.2572990	[22:44]
ozbot	George Street girls topless for Kirill sparks outrage - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[22:44]
nubbins`	byline: "CBC has learned underage girls were among those photographed"	[22:44]
nubbins`	ah, my sides.	[22:44]
nubbins`	so much for your brand new nightclub, guys	[22:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.0008046 = 16.3334 BTC [+] {2}	[22:45]
nubbins`	from the club: "Due to the recent uproar caused by photos taken from our opening weekend, females [sic] patrons are advise [sic] of the following rule changes: 1) females are restricted from wearing clothes that expose more then 25 percent of there [sic] body. 2) exposure of breasts is strictly prohibited 3) the dance craze known as Twerking is banned until further notice. Other forms of dancing	[22:46]
nubbins`	will be acceptable if deemed non sexual by nature."	[22:46]
nubbins`	ahahah.	[22:46]
nubbins`	TWERKING BANNED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	but i like twerking	[22:48]
asciilifeform	incidentally	[22:49]
asciilifeform	turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially:	[22:49]
asciilifeform	http://blog.brukerafmprobes.com/2011/06/scanning-capacitance-microscopy-scm	[22:49]
ozbot	Scanning Capacitance Microscopy – SCM » Bruker Blog	[22:49]
nubbins`	aha!	[22:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10099999 BTC [+]	[22:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60702 BTC [-]	[22:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10488 @ 0.00080222 = 8.4137 BTC [-]	[23:04]
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Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, do you have something to recommend for hardware RNGs ?	[23:06]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: unsurprisingly, i recomment... mine.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	*recommend	[23:06]
tim-tams	BingoBoingo, you still here?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/	[23:06]
Apocalyptic	the Cardano ?	[23:06]
ozbot	BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov so how's that look, is the guy winning or what ?	[23:06]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rng/baked.png	[23:07]
nubbins`	http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/the-law-page/canadian-lawsuit-to-seek-500-million-from-mt-gox-bitcoin-exchange/article17500209/?cmpid=rss1	[23:09]
ozbot	Canadian lawsuit to seek $500-million from Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange - The Globe and Mail	[23:09]
dignork	mircea_popescu, http://trilema.com/2014/me-at-its-finest/, can you explain in few words why it made sence to me, I'm not from India	[23:10]
nubbins`	dat discovery	[23:10]
dignork	s/sence/sense	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	dignork where you from ?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6m66tFK71re5la5o1_1280.jpg << ipo worthy ?	[23:10]
dignork	mircea_popescu, complicated question, but not from India :)	[23:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]	[23:11]
dignork	mircea_popescu, let's say from USSR	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	well why do i speak english, im not from scotland, you know ?	[23:11]
BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Not for too long, going out drinking soon	[23:11]
BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Per the blog url http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/	[23:11]
dignork	mircea_popescu, just a popular language	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	apparently wir sind alle aus Indien	[23:12]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:12]
nubbins`	don't panic, we're sorta germanic	[23:12]
tim-tams	BingoBoingo why did you want to burn youmeandbtc.com with fire? haha	[23:12]
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BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Looks too modern, also too much empty space	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.006099 = 0.1525 BTC [+]	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	(read that in a kennedy accent)	[23:13]
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dignork	mircea_popescu, historically we might be, but it was too long ago	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	dignork anyway, the honest answer is that i've greatly overstated what's likely happenstance to make an otherwise valid and much more general point.	[23:14]
tim-tams	BingoBoingo is that sarcasm?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	which is kinda how this entire expression trick goes.	[23:14]
tim-tams	To me I always thought the design was badish and it was way too busy	[23:15]
tim-tams	at least on the top	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Maybe that's the part that makes me a bit queasy	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Something about it just doesn't look right	[23:15]
tim-tams	BingoBoingo well, tonight that site should be gone	[23:16]
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BingoBoingo	tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps	[23:18]
tim-tams	BingoBoingo: does that mean good or bad?	[23:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00339999 = 0.1496 BTC [+]	[23:21]
dignork	BingoBoingo, regarding html lists etc: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf	[23:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00079714 = 15.4645 BTC [-]	[23:22]
dub	I refuse to open a goddamn pdf on such a topic	[23:22]
nubbins`	dub: in summary it says blah blah mumble blah	[23:23]
dignork	dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reN5vaSADKQ	[23:24]
dub	flash, thats better	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	!b 6	[23:25]
assbot	Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1728785/plain/)	[23:25]
dignork	dub, youtube can serve html5 video, if you believe it's better than flash	[23:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00339999 = 0.68 BTC [+] {2}	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[23:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00080281 = 25.9709 BTC [+] {3}	[23:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 49 @ 0.11950724 = 5.8559 BTC [-]	[23:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00349362 = 0.283 BTC [+] {4}	[23:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00349398 = 0.3529 BTC [+] {2}	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 12000 @ 0.00333023 = 39.9628 BTC [-] {9}	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]	[23:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6188999 BTC [+]	[23:58]
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