Forum logs for 11 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mod6 no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include '' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok. [00:00]
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mod6 the other issue is the linking thing... [00:01]
mod6 the linker is saying that an R_X86_64_PC32 relocation against an undefined symbol can't be used in a shared object... maybe your removal of the dns shit fixes this. not sure. will try adding that patch as well if this next thing doesn't work. [00:02]
asciilifeform what symbol ? [00:02]
mod6 __GI___pthread_cleanup_upto [00:04]
asciilifeform ferphuxxsake [00:05]
asciilifeform what triggers this ? [00:05]
mod6 did you look at this? http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt [00:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDGUr ) [00:05]
mod6 unless i'm just dumb, and it's related to "getnameinfo()", but i honestly didn't think it was reated. [00:06]
mod6 *related [00:06]
asciilifeform methinks we got our first uclibc-ism here [00:06]
decimation no getnameifo isn't at fault [00:07]
decimation it's something to do with linking between ulibc, gcc, pthread [00:07]
asciilifeform try building a boost-y 'hello world' statically with uclibc [00:07]
decimation http://blog.docker.com/2013/06/create-light-weight-docker-containers-buildroot/ < some dude found the same problem [00:07]
assbot Create lightweight Docker containers with Buildroot | Docker Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDSmF ) [00:07]
mod6 decimation: i saw that there. lol, there aren't many people who've encoutered this. [00:08]
decimation not this exact error, no [00:08]
asciilifeform the set of folks doing static builds today consists - approximately - of us. [00:09]
asciilifeform (and perhaps the linuxbios folks) [00:09]
mircea_popescu and some more isolated pockets, but yeah [00:09]
decimation yeah [00:09]
asciilifeform microcontroller folks, too [00:09]
asciilifeform but none of'em are stuck with cpp, much less 'boost' [00:10]
decimation heh yeah only crazies would consider writing cpp for embedded or static linking [00:13]
decimation mod6 what version of ulibc are you using [00:13]
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decimation http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/ChangeLog-0.9.31_0.9.32 < "Date: Fri May 27 17:08:36 2011 +0200 Fix build issue due to missing symbols in !NPTL case: - _longjmp_unwind" [00:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHECIt ) [00:13]
asciilifeform does uclibs even contain setjmp() routines ? [00:14]
asciilifeform *uclibc [00:14]
* asciilifeform looks, learns that it does. or claims to. [00:15]
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mod6 <+decimation> mod6 what version of ulibc are you using << lemme see what i can find. [00:17]
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mod6 0.9.33.2 looks like: http://dpaste.com/21W7WXW.txt [00:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqF6jN ) [00:19]
decimation asciilifeform: http://bugs.rosalinux.ru/show_bug.cgi?id=1127 [00:20]
assbot Bug 1127 – segmentation fault error when the busybox execute ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFdvI ) [00:20]
decimation https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32219 [00:20]
assbot 32219 – optimizer causes wrong code in pic/hidden/weak symbol checking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFheX ) [00:20]
decimation lol it's a gcc bug reported in 2007, not fixed until 2015 [00:22]
decimation mod6: what version of gcc are you using [00:22]
mod6 gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4 [00:22]
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decimation unless the fix was backported, you need gcc 5.1 [00:35]
decimation if it's this gcc bug, it wasn't fixed until 13 feb 2015 [00:36]
decimation https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue [00:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHHRQ2 ) [00:38]
mod6 hmm... [00:40]
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mod6 so this might not be a problem, but i was just looking at the environement to see if something is out of whack. it seems the /usr/bin/gcc isn't quite the same as the /usr/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/gcc-bin/4.8.4/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc : http://dpaste.com/19T1QMN.txt [00:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJehC ) [00:49]
mod6 Is this wrong? [00:49]
mod6 they do have different hashes, etc. [00:50]
decimation I'm not sure, but I do know if that if the fix I found above isn't integrated it might not matter [00:51]
mod6 yeah. it seems weird from that other link that uclibc should have a fix applied in branch 0.9.32, or did i misunderstand that. [00:52]
mod6 so thinking that my 0.9.33.2 /should/ be okay... [00:52]
mod6 <+decimation> https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue << is there any likelihood that this patch can be applied to 4.8.4? or is 5.x required? [00:54]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJJIt ) [00:54]
decimation I donno, I'm not a gcc expert [00:55]
mod6 ok. np. the message didn't say. i guess i could try pulling the 4.8.4 source or whatever and see. [00:55]
mod6 i would think i would need to build whatevre this is: x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4 + the obscure patch in msg00410 [00:56]
mod6 makes me as jumpy as a longtalied cat in a room full of rocking chairs. [00:57]
decimation hehe me too [00:57]
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mod6 mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. [01:00]
bekusoararu ^^ [01:03]
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bekusoararu ;seen duffer [01:20]
bekusoararu balls deep i suppose [01:22]
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bekusoararu !s richard prior [01:24]
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trinque pryor? [01:24]
bekusoararu yuo just seem to know everything [01:25]
trinque unlikely, but I know that [01:26]
bekusoararu i know you, i ike you [01:26]
bekusoararu noone doesnt [01:27]
bekusoararu you just got a tony [01:27]
bekusoararu !g dirtycash dizzee [01:28]
bekusoararu nevermind [01:29]
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bekusoararu i confer helen mirrin rights upon trinque [01:30]
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mircea_popescu !up laylagottawatch [02:15]
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laylagottawatch 8premKyl5nc [02:15]
laylagottawatch seriously tho people say how eric clapton bout this watch or that watch, who gives a shizen [02:16]
mircea_popescu mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?! [02:17]
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laylagottawatch nobody has a watch [02:25]
laylagottawatch they were all stolen long ago [02:25]
laylagottawatch kinda necessary for bitcoin tho [02:32]
laylagottawatch ektsOP8yOQM [02:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00038028 = 7.9098 BTC [+] {2} [10:03]
mircea_popescu and in breakfast news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj3va0iHC1rewmkdo1_1280.jpg [10:03]
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nubbins` now that's a spicy meatball [10:07]
mircea_popescu she doesn't look like she got enough sauce on hers. [10:08]
nubbins` i think she ordered the vegetarian spaghetti [10:09]
* nubbins` contemplates making meatballs [10:10]
mircea_popescu that's good, a slut somewhere's contemplating eating manballs. [10:10]
nubbins` tesla batteries would be great for my home, if (a) non-peak rates were offered here, or (b) net metering was an option [10:11]
asciilifeform so my neighbour's house has been in the care of garbage men wearing gas masks for a week now. [10:11]
nubbins` asciilifeform !! [10:11]
asciilifeform they are also wearing sacks over their shoes [10:11]
nubbins` obola? [10:11]
nubbins` was this the neighbour who'd been broken into? [10:11]
asciilifeform nubbins`: cat woman [10:11]
nubbins` o. [10:12]
mircea_popescu oh. [10:12]
mircea_popescu i was hoping for aliens. [10:12]
nubbins` i guess she's not a cat woman anymore. [10:12]
asciilifeform nubbins`: not clear where the beasties went [10:12]
asciilifeform they put out zoological traps but none sprang [10:12]
nubbins` humane services, most likely [10:12]
asciilifeform i think they escaped [10:12]
nubbins` never to return? seems unlikely [10:12]
nubbins` unless they were held against their will [10:12]
nubbins` (cats are v territorial, don't just "run away") [10:13]
asciilifeform these were kept indoors [10:13]
asciilifeform and probably have severely defective firmware [10:13]
nubbins` heh [10:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` and also if (c) you were a salamander so fire hazard was not a concern [10:13]
nubbins` maybe so, but even though [10:13]
nubbins` cats running away generally isn't a thing that happens, unless they're running from a new home to their previous one [10:14]
nubbins` but they'll lose that urge after a couple weeks. [10:14]
mircea_popescu much like women. [10:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00038149 = 3.5666 BTC [+] [10:14]
nubbins` anecdote: Dory popped through the screen window yesterday [10:14]
nubbins` i step through the front door to fetch her, and she's worriedly trotting around meowing at neighbouring windows, trying to figure out which house is hers [10:15]
nubbins` ;( [10:15]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [10:15]
asciilifeform woah she had a 'king' mattress [10:16]
asciilifeform mega-luxury [10:16]
nubbins` heh. [10:16]
mircea_popescu i imagine The Outside must look to a modern pet cat much like the same looks to a modern teenager. [10:16]
asciilifeform (though i count 11 or so gigantic spots) [10:16]
nubbins` we have a king size mattress. they're not THAT expensive :P [10:16]
asciilifeform nubbins`: the floor space - is [10:16]
* mircea_popescu has a 2.2 x 2.3 matress even here [10:16]
nubbins` :o [10:17]
nubbins` so if you wanna lie sideways, your legs hang off the edge? [10:17]
mircea_popescu ... [10:17]
mircea_popescu you think i'm over 2 meters long ? [10:17]
nubbins` that was directed towards alf, heh [10:17]
mircea_popescu oh lol [10:17]
nubbins` that was actually dory's second time out front [10:18]
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nubbins` the first time, she was just sitting in the window checking things out [10:18]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i'm not even a very tall fella, but the only orientation i can lie down in where legs do not go over the edge is diagonal (after pushing pet out) [10:18]
mircea_popescu "and i threw it out" [10:18]
nubbins` then her hated enemy, Gandalf, approaches the window [10:18]
nubbins` and Dory actually launched herself at him, busting the screen out of the window, and chased him down the block [10:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you could cut her in half, have a chunk curl up on either side. [10:18]
nubbins` it was bananas and i was almost too high to deal with it [10:18]
mircea_popescu alternatively, start dating 12yos [10:18]
mircea_popescu "your honor, i only fuck preteens because the floor space is so expensive" [10:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i actually often say to pet, 'mainly what i need a 2nd one for is to have stators on both sides' [10:19]
mircea_popescu because you spin ? [10:19]
asciilifeform aha [10:19]
mircea_popescu does it do work / [10:19]
nubbins` only when they wear the copper brush undies [10:19]
asciilifeform in the schoolbook physics sense, surely. [10:20]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [10:20]
nubbins` and you thought a hair shirt was bad [10:20]
nubbins` so i've got this conveyor oven for curing ink on shirts, yes? [10:20]
mircea_popescu is this still about dory ? [10:20]
nubbins` no :( [10:21]
nubbins` i ws connecting some ducting to the exhaust fan last fall and realized that the mfg installed the fucking fan upside-down [10:21]
mircea_popescu proceed [10:21]
mircea_popescu the manufagturer ? [10:21]
nubbins` seriously. exhaust fan pointed down into the oven. [10:21]
asciilifeform nubbins`: so he built you a crematorium ? [10:21]
nubbins` he built me a t-shirt oven that blasts cool air onto the sides of the shirts it's trying to cure. [10:21]
mircea_popescu so you're making cool shirts. [10:22]
nubbins` anyway. no big deal, tap some new holes, screw the thing in the right way. [10:22]
mircea_popescu you know, smoked meats should be cold cured. [10:22]
nubbins` they also wired the fucking motor backwards [10:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19247 @ 0.00038149 = 7.3425 BTC [+] [10:22]
mircea_popescu aaahahahaah [10:22]
mircea_popescu see, this is why slump times in sv are bad [10:22]
nubbins` so the heat/speed controls are on the fucking output side of it [10:22]
mircea_popescu the fucktards end up employed in productive activities [10:22]
mircea_popescu and bring their "coding experience" with them [10:22]
asciilifeform ^^^^ [10:22]
nubbins` anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying that i'm gonna be rewiring a DC motor for the first time today [10:23]
nubbins` sources say i just gotta swap the red and black [10:23]
asciilifeform this is rather akin to the famous clusterfuck in usa circa '80s when reagan turned the psych ward folks loose [10:23]
nubbins` asciilifeform i think the usa is still dealing w/ that [10:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` not really, it's just a lefty meme. [10:24]
asciilifeform aha, as described by herr orlov - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html [10:24]
assbot ClubOrlov: Crazyland [10:24]
asciilifeform and others. [10:24]
mircea_popescu "oh reagan was bad because bla bla" [10:24]
nubbins` was he the actor? [10:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform /me is deeply unconcinved by the theory. [10:24]
nubbins` i mean, they all are. [10:24]
nubbins` but [10:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, he was the only qualified one. [10:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pinning it on reagan may be a liberast hobby horse, but it did happen. [10:24]
mircea_popescu well, some whore also got office in italy about some time [10:24]
nubbins` the only one w/ a SAG membership, anyway. [10:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that he let the loonies out is a fact. the proposition that this had any measurable effect is loonytalk [10:25]
mircea_popescu mostly off the sort of schmucks who either depend on or aim to depend on a "social worker" career [10:25]
mircea_popescu which is built exactly on this proposition. [10:25]
nubbins` in other shop news, i've got a lead on a new (to me) flash dryer from the shop i used to work part-time at [10:25]
asciilifeform the only definitively measurable effect was on the population of bums [10:25]
mircea_popescu according to whom ? [10:25]
nubbins` new owners love their new flash dryer so much that they DON'T WANT their old one. [10:25]
nubbins` nevermind that they've got two shirt presses and one of them can only do single-color prints because it has no flash. [10:26]
nubbins` nevermind that [10:26]
nubbins` sell the old, working flash to me :D [10:26]
mircea_popescu sounds like you got yourselves the best sort of friends after "she likes to fuck" : the clueless. [10:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps not 'definitively.' but everyone i meet in usa appear to be firmly convinced that this cataclysm happened. [10:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform doesn't this make you suspicious ? [10:27]
asciilifeform sure. [10:27]
* asciilifeform wasn't there yet, did not see with own eyes [10:27]
mircea_popescu other things "everyone in usa" is convinced of include the fact that their feelings matter. [10:27]
asciilifeform l0l aha. [10:27]
mircea_popescu also without factual basis. [10:27]
asciilifeform incidentally, there are still asylums, in a sese [10:27]
asciilifeform *sense [10:27]
asciilifeform but the denizens rotate in and out [10:27]
asciilifeform this is intensely lucrative for a variety of 'social work' orgs [10:28]
nubbins` http://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/39b67t/im_a_retired_bank_robber_ama/cs26ah1 [10:28]
assbot ErisGrey comments on I'm a retired bank robber. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUOkjA ) [10:28]
mircea_popescu yeah, there are. over 10mn people live in them, half of which "veterans" [10:28]
mircea_popescu except they're no longer centralized and so less obvious [10:28]
nubbins` asylums are not fun places [10:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. typically built into normal hospital. [10:29]
mircea_popescu ah, no. that's the 1% [10:29]
* asciilifeform once visited a chum who ended up in one [10:29]
mircea_popescu the 99% is, basically, random apartments all over town [10:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160260 << i made the mistake of unbanning vexual because people complained forreasons i don't fathom, and then i made the mistake of upping random name. [10:32]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160273 << a ok than! [10:32]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 07:56:37; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off [10:32]
asciilifeform i think the poor fella might be #b-a's very own 'asylum veteran' [10:32]
mircea_popescu maybe [10:33]
nubbins` woo, new printer just arrived [10:33]
* nubbins` now owns three epson 1430s [10:33]
asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/01/geotrax-currency-tracker.jpg << from that bank robbery thread. i think i own one of these modems, l0l! [10:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJdQzl ) [10:33]
asciilifeform have robbers never heard of 'rf bags' ? [10:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5619 @ 0.00037892 = 2.1292 BTC [-] [10:34]
mircea_popescu what is that thing supposed to be ? [10:34]
asciilifeform (according to the u.s. patents, the 'money boobytraps' are 100% rf-activated.) [10:35]
asciilifeform and this one is not explosive, but a gps tracker. [10:35]
nubbins` heh. [10:35]
nubbins` i bet those things cost like $500ea [10:35]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png <<< bwahahaha WHO THE FUCK comes up with this shit. [10:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJedKe ) [10:35]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?! << 'twas a joke. the old one about how a programmer wanted to bake an apple pie but first has to invent a universe. 'cept in this one static bitcoind is the pie, and the universe is gentoo/uclibc/gcc/etc. :] [10:35]
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mircea_popescu o god almighty, a whole generation of ignorant, poor twerps. running their own country. [10:35]
mircea_popescu im so going to go on bison safari through the most powerful country in the world before long... [10:36]
nubbins` hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah [10:36]
mircea_popescu mod6 oic [10:36]
nubbins` "we're banning people, not coontown" [10:36]
nubbins` i cannot even. [10:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu will have to bring own bisons, i suspect [10:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` and the best part is, someone rolled their eyes and muttered "obviously" over this. [10:36]
nubbins` hahah [10:36]
nubbins` like [10:36]
mircea_popescu you culd be banging her, if you got out more. [10:36]
asciilifeform unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether [10:36]
nubbins` i need someone to buy me this book: http://www.beheadingboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/how-to-even-for-dummies.jpg [10:37]
mircea_popescu because they're everywhere. [10:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUPKuv ) [10:37]
nubbins` that is how much i cannot even [10:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not extinct is it ? [10:37]
mircea_popescu even romania has zimbrii come back [10:37]
mircea_popescu (they were throught extinct after ww2. much like anything larger than a cat) [10:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: supposedly was reintroduced. somewhere. [10:37]
* asciilifeform only ever saw in zoo [10:37]
mircea_popescu i know i had its meat so it can't be that rare. [10:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ted turner invested $maxint in bison farms [10:38]
mircea_popescu aha [10:38]
nubbins` hm [10:40]
nubbins` is the singular of zimbrii "zimbra"? [10:40]
mircea_popescu zimbru [10:40]
nubbins` aw. [10:40]
mircea_popescu the european woolen bison, slightly smaller. [10:40]
nubbins` ;;google talking heads i zimbra [10:40]
gribble Talking Heads - I Zimbra (HQ) - YouTube: ; I Zimbra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Talking Heads - I Zimbra Lyrics | MetroLyrics: [10:40]
mircea_popescu zimbra prettyt much means hickey [10:40]
nubbins` ^ worth a listen. [10:40]
asciilifeform зубр [10:40]
mircea_popescu him [10:40]
nubbins` after clicking around on /r/coontown a bit [10:41]
nubbins` i uh [10:41]
* nubbins` gestures helplessly [10:41]
nubbins` sure am glad reddit is a, uh.. safe space? [10:42]
* nubbins` frowns, thinks [10:42]
* asciilifeform waits for the reddit thread 'iama craigslist bitcoin robber, ask me anything' [10:42]
mircea_popescu ad hoc legislation looks just like ad hoc coding. [10:42]
mircea_popescu a) it doesn't compile, so they prefer interpreted languages instead and b) it doesn't debug, so they prefer to write more instead. [10:42]
nubbins` http://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/zCl-7opvFRrVGJEJHc8BVEV6AL8Hxdg227GzeQYJpSA.jpg [10:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUR68m ) [10:43]
nubbins` mis lados [10:43]
asciilifeform wtf even is that [10:44]
nubbins` that's ellen pao explaining why coontown wasn't one of the subreddits that got banned [10:44]
asciilifeform sure, but what -was- it [10:44]
asciilifeform (is?) [10:44]
nubbins` is. [10:44]
nubbins` http://reddit.com/r/coontown [10:44]
assbot reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1FURggf ) [10:45]
nubbins` because maintaining a "nigger hate" forum isn't behaviour, it's an idea [10:45]
nubbins` or smth [10:45]
nubbins` ELLEN PAO, LOGICIAN [10:45]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159677 haha i concur. and if you exposed ms-dos to untrusted data and got it to crash or worse, it was *your* fault. [10:46]
assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 19:42:15; ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years. [10:46]
mircea_popescu I STILL PREFER MSDOS [10:47]
asciilifeform as an msdos aficionado myself, i find the comparison to 'adult' os to be a rather odd one [10:47]
mircea_popescu to everything i've seen since the 80s, i by a very fat large margin prefer msdos. [10:47]
asciilifeform dos wasn't really 'present' in the sense unix is [10:47]
mircea_popescu you know i never had a computer "freeze" ? crash, yes. [10:47]
mircea_popescu but wtf is a freeze. a stable state of nonsense ? [10:48]
asciilifeform proggy (esp. in the latter days, with 'protected mode' gamez etc) took over machine entirely [10:48]
asciilifeform 'freeze', then, as now, is when box no longer answers to keyboard [10:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is a lot to be said for this. [10:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, which is why i am still living there. (like to program embedded chips where this holds true) [10:48]
asciilifeform (re: 'freezing' - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 ) [10:49]
assbot Loper OS » First Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSb08 ) [10:49]
nubbins` http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/there-is-no-right-not-to-be-offended/article3969404.ece [10:50]
assbot ‘There is no right not to be offended’ - The Hindu [10:50]
nubbins` quote in title from salman rushdie [10:50]
asciilifeform in other news, [10:50]
asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29E48E92BF1A5E83EAA2C9F4927191B0A345037362BC78DCB8F5BA2A3E9D8D70 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42CBD68B7426A8BAE00317B4196B4551BB2673EEFCECBBD60E8D9C55255A6A0 [10:51]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSmsi ) [10:51]
nubbins` mister starck! [10:51]
nubbins` one of these days i'mma read up on exactly wtf phuctor is doing [10:51]
* nubbins` has laughably little hands-on experience with the nuts & bolts of this math [10:52]
asciilifeform friend of yours ? [10:52]
nubbins` nah [10:52]
asciilifeform nubbins`: as for what it is doing, this fits in a paragraph - http://nosuchlabs.com/theory [10:52]
assbot Theory [10:52]
nubbins` ty [10:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: were you the one who proposed an msdos port of bitcoind ? [10:54]
asciilifeform somebody did [10:54]
asciilifeform (was it me...?) [10:54]
mircea_popescu prolly you [10:54]
nubbins` heh [10:54]
asciilifeform was there a reason we didn't do this ? [10:54]
asciilifeform (how tcp? over slip/rs232, of course) [10:54]
mircea_popescu yes. yes there was. [10:55]
asciilifeform anyone recall what it was ? [10:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160039 [10:55]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 01:20:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything. [10:55]
asciilifeform that you can't squeeze db into a 2g fat16 volume, perhaps ? [10:55]
mircea_popescu before bitcoin on pogo looks like eulora/binaries, [10:55]
asciilifeform (no prob. write raw blocks) [10:55]
mircea_popescu you don't get to start more stuff. [10:55]
asciilifeform well that was why -i- didn't do it [10:56]
asciilifeform but how about other folks. [10:56]
mircea_popescu that's why anyoner's not doing it. [10:56]
mircea_popescu gotta focus. [10:56]
nubbins` haha [10:56]
nubbins` i'm still working on porting 0.5.3.1 to IBM i [10:56]
nubbins` dat built-in DB. [10:56]
* asciilifeform wonders of which there are more - pogos, or msdos-able boxes [10:57]
mircea_popescu ‘There is no right not to be offended’ << this is broken, ftr. "there is no right TO not be offended" [10:57]
mircea_popescu pogos. [10:57]
* asciilifeform not so sure of this [10:57]
asciilifeform speaking of - when's the last time anyone checked on the warehouse-full-of-pogos thing [10:58]
asciilifeform are they still there ? [10:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's scheduled for after the build's ready to go. [10:58]
mircea_popescu there's no point checking in between [10:58]
* asciilifeform will be disappointed if they fly away. because there is not likely to be a reasonable substitute. [10:59]
asciilifeform (a $150 box is not a substitute) [10:59]
nubbins` until the next time some shit cloud device get liquidated [10:59]
asciilifeform nubbins`: mno. they don't overengineer them any more [10:59]
mircea_popescu life is what happens while software wasn't ready. [10:59]
asciilifeform no more 1G ethernet or sata [10:59]
asciilifeform on any of them. [10:59]
asciilifeform nor 128 whole megs. [10:59]
nubbins` good thing i stocked up :( [10:59]
asciilifeform (pogo itself used to come with 256, otherwise identical) [11:00]
nubbins` altho i'm somewhat tempted to put my SSD in this disc duplicator instead [11:00]
asciilifeform pogo is really a 400 usd widget selling for 20. [11:00]
nubbins` but i suppose i should wait and see if that's a necessary thing first. [11:00]
mircea_popescu only because it's 2015 [11:00]
mircea_popescu in 2020 it will be a 1000 usd widget [11:00]
asciilifeform aha but 1000 circa 2020 is around what 100 is now. [11:01]
* asciilifeform puts flower on grave of 'moore's law' [11:01]
nubbins` any of you familiar with this "M-DISC" technology? [11:01]
nubbins` from what i can glean from marketing hype, they use special dvd-rs and ramp up the laser strength to make "permanent" optical media [11:02]
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nubbins` they keep using phrases like "ETCHED IN STONE" and shit which sounds a bit much [11:02]
asciilifeform nubbins`: today, as 10 yrs ago, the basic tech is same. reflective layer, and above it, something that melts [11:03]
asciilifeform laser melts hole. [11:03]
asciilifeform this layer is typically a dye [11:03]
asciilifeform in very spiffy disks (taiyo yuden, afaik, is the -only- remaining maker) it is gold, instead. [11:03]
asciilifeform but above the dye (or gold) is still plexiglas [11:04]
asciilifeform it is subject to cracking, and chemical reaction with atmosphere over time [11:04]
nubbins` yeah [11:05]
asciilifeform (why cracking? stress from spinning in drive) [11:05]
* nubbins` has seen a dremel explode a CD [11:05]
asciilifeform the '1000 years' thing is utter bunk [11:05]
asciilifeform even 10 is pushing it [11:05]
nubbins` http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/ [11:05]
assbot What is M-Disc™? - The M-DISC™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1B5gvRk ) [11:05]
nubbins` "up to" 1000 years [11:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you could make them out of plain glass. [11:06]
nubbins` they use the phrase "engraved in stone" a few times [11:06]
asciilifeform glass, l0l! [11:06]
mircea_popescu gold+glass > lasts forevar. [11:06]
nubbins` borosilicate, yo. [11:06]
asciilifeform until you drop it [11:06]
mircea_popescu do not drop it [11:07]
mircea_popescu you can not have EVERYTHING [11:07]
asciilifeform or spin it in a drive [11:07]
mircea_popescu you can only has the things you choose. [11:07]
mircea_popescu it spins ok. [11:07]
asciilifeform how about when drive jams. [11:07]
nubbins` i actually make my own discs out of bronze backed w/ ultra-black nanoparticles [11:07]
mircea_popescu fuck you then. [11:07]
asciilifeform and disk gets 50 G's [11:07]
nubbins` i wonder how long minidisc media holds onto data? [11:07]
* nubbins` found his minidisc player/recorder yesterday, still works! [11:07]
asciilifeform nubbins`: recall mircea_popescu's observation that 'backup is a process not an artifact' ? [11:08]
nubbins` it's "magneto-optical" so i'd say fairly transient [11:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00037892 = 5.1912 BTC [-] [11:08]
nubbins` asciilifeform no, but that's sage [11:08]
asciilifeform the only backup worth mention appears to be herr torvalds's 'put it on public ftp and have people give a damn and mirror' [11:08]
mircea_popescu right. worked splendidly for the literary cannon [11:09]
mircea_popescu everyone's read shakespeare. right ? [11:09]
mircea_popescu if tomorrow i rewrite it about cocks everyone'll know [11:09]
mircea_popescu RIGHT ??? [11:09]
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asciilifeform picture if bowdler had lived -today- [11:09]
mircea_popescu he does. [11:09]
asciilifeform and shakespeare were a www [11:09]
mircea_popescu his name is "everyone" [11:09]
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nubbins` heh [11:10]
mircea_popescu i'm drowning in a sea of little bowdlers. [11:10]
asciilifeform what would we know of proper shakespeare then [11:10]
nubbins` BOWDLER LIVES AND HIS NAME IS MAN [11:10]
mircea_popescu we now nothing of proper shakespeare, for this reason. [11:10]
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nubbins` i learned recently that shakespeare invented the name "jessica" [11:10]
mircea_popescu "we don't ban ideas, we just ban anything that's unbowlder, for bowlder is us" [11:10]
nubbins` !up allahisgreat2000 [11:10]
* assbot gives voice to allahisgreat2000 [11:10]
allahisgreat2000 Can I ask a question about bitbet here? [11:10]
nubbins` allahisgreat2000: as-salaam aleikum [11:10]
nubbins` oh [11:10]
nubbins` i mean [11:10]
nubbins` yes [11:10]
allahisgreat2000 salaam friend [11:10]
asciilifeform shakespeare suffers from the other problem of backups, much lamented by astronomy/physics folk crying over old pdp-8 tapes. that is, loss of reading mechanisms...) [11:10]
allahisgreat2000 I'm having trouble figuring out how weight for a bet is calculated [11:11]
nubbins` asciilifeform language in general suffers from loss of reading mechanisms over time [11:11]
mats http://blog.wuntee.sexy/reaching-the-mach-layer << artifacts from a different era [11:11]
assbot Reaching the MACH layer · blog[wuntee] [11:11]
nubbins` allahisgreat2000: it's sort of complicated, and your odds will change as more people bet [11:12]
mircea_popescu allahisgreat2000 ok, but ask a question. [11:12]
allahisgreat2000 what stops people from betting more when the results start getting obvious and ruining your bet? [11:12]
* nubbins` seriously considers purchasing a new(er) minidisc player and some more blanks, while he still can [11:12]
mircea_popescu allahisgreat2000 they get lower weight for betting later. [11:12]
nubbins` allahisgreat2000: generally the weight will decrease as the bet gets closer to close. [11:12]
asciilifeform mats: aha, 'microkernel', academitardia circa late '80s-early-'90s that apple folks still live with today. [11:13]
allahisgreat2000 but you get lower returns as well, even tho you bet early? [11:13]
nubbins` allahisgreat2000: early bets have higher weight and are therefore worth more. [11:13]
nubbins` a last-minute bet will take some of your winnings, yes, but they'd have to bet an enormous amount and get chump change in return [11:13]
nubbins` example: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/ [11:13]
assbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWsAs ) [11:14]
nubbins` that last bet put 8 BTC on the line, but only earned 0.2 BTC [11:14]
mircea_popescu lol is that you nubbins` ? [11:14]
nubbins` because the weight was so low [11:14]
nubbins` mircea_popescu 8) [11:14]
nubbins` had to monetize that warrant somehow [11:14]
allahisgreat2000 the weight depends on time? [11:14]
nubbins` allahisgreat2000: the earlier 5 BTC bet won ~0.7 BTC [11:14]
nubbins` yes. [11:14]
allahisgreat2000 oh ok [11:15]
nubbins` note how the weight is lower for each successive bet [11:15]
nubbins` initial bet weight: 100,000 [11:15]
nubbins` final bet weight: 24,000 [11:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins` clever. [11:15]
allahisgreat2000 I'm trying to figure out if there could be a system to combine pool betting and livebetting/betting exchange [11:15]
asciilifeform mats: can you believe, they took seriously the idea that process separation (which barely works in 'userland') could apply to device drivers! [11:15]
asciilifeform on a machine with von neumann arch, and even things like dma, no less [11:15]
asciilifeform what kind of dope it was necessary to smoke, to arrive at this notion, i still do not know. [11:16]
nubbins` mircea_popescu it took me about a week to figure out the nuts & bolts of it. [11:16]
mircea_popescu allahisgreat2000 see http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/ [11:16]
assbot Let's understand mutual betting together on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWWGP ) [11:16]
nubbins` but i was set to gain either way [11:16]
mats asciilifeform: OSX has so many skeletons, from NeXT, Mach, and the PPC days... [11:17]
nubbins` tying up 5 btc for 6 months to earn 0.7 isn't particularly lucrative; if i were to do it again, i'd do a shorter bet [11:17]
allahisgreat2000 thank you i'll read that [11:17]
asciilifeform mats: it is, in practice, the last remaining commercial unix [11:18]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/#selection-57.90-59.33 <<->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160714 lawls. [11:18]
assbot Let's understand mutual betting together on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUXaOp ) [11:18]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 14:13:10; nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way [11:18]
asciilifeform (there are nominally others but outside of usg you will never see them) [11:18]
mats you know you're rich when a 14% ROI over 6mos is considered a weak investment [11:18]
nubbins` mircea_popescu living proof :D [11:19]
mircea_popescu mats no, actually, that's when you know you're poor. [11:19]
nubbins` mats i live the life of the carefree boheme, as alf would put it [11:19]
mircea_popescu high percentile and low basis go hand in hand. [11:19]
d9b4bef9 danielpbarron davout decimation diametric dignork donpillou dooglus DreadKnight [11:20]
mats :( [11:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160319 << didn't danielpbarron want it ? [11:20]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 12:18:37; nubbins`: i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days [11:20]
asciilifeform nubbins`: carefree l0l. so nubbins` prints because he likes the smell of ink ? [11:20]
asciilifeform and for no other reason ? [11:20]
nubbins` actually, i print because there's a very basic yet powerful reinforcement in holding something of beauty that you've created with your own hands. [11:20]
nubbins` i do, incidentally, like the smell of ink, but only water-based acrylic [11:21]
mircea_popescu i suppose it's why boys jack off. [11:21]
nubbins` plastisol smells neutral [11:21]
nubbins` mircea_popescu yup [11:21]
mircea_popescu also why they dislike small penii [11:21]
asciilifeform lol, how did it go... 'paul graham: programmers, like painters, like making things. audience wag: so do chickens!' [11:21]
mircea_popescu (women, contrary to what they project, would biologically prefer the smaller imposition) [11:21]
nubbins` heh [11:21]
* nubbins` imagines that most of the lurkers in here assume he's on welfare [11:22]
mircea_popescu weren't you derping about having tenants ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu wut welfare is that. [11:22]
nubbins` just one tenant now [11:22]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance [11:23]
mircea_popescu o.O [11:23]
mircea_popescu i don't work in tech. [11:23]
mircea_popescu do i work in tech ? [11:23]
nubbins` not in this sense [11:24]
mircea_popescu in other news, MANCAVE!!!1 http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rb04QEVv1qe9d8go1_1280.jpg [11:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1B5kmO8 ) [11:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is zoologist, not 'tech' [11:24]
nubbins` you're not on social assistance either, which puts you on one of the tails [11:24]
mircea_popescu i think "in tech" is one of those, could either be in or out depending where you want to present yourself. [11:25]
mircea_popescu are women that live somewhere in the continuum between chattel property and housewife on "some form of social assistance" ? [11:25]
asciilifeform recall dijkstra's observation re: how we might regard an astronomer who introduces self as 'working in telescopy' ? [11:25]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [11:25]
nubbins` mircea_popescu nope [11:26]
mircea_popescu if not them, why anyone else ? [11:26]
nubbins` unless, y'know, the husband is on social assistance. [11:26]
mircea_popescu do you mean "centrally planned social assistance" ? [11:26]
nubbins` i specifically mean cashing cheques written by gov. [11:26]
mircea_popescu why should that make a difference. [11:26]
nubbins` !! [11:26]
mircea_popescu yes you do, but the model's broken. [11:26]
nubbins` that's why they're sitting on irc. [11:27]
asciilifeform somewhere, long ago, one fella (lost the link, unfortunately) described the 'in tech' folks as quite like the quasi-retarded assistants in a magic show, who think that the performance is actually -about- the ropes and trap doors [11:27]
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mircea_popescu is this going to be a reductio ab coontown argument ? [11:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33878 @ 0.00037857 = 12.8252 BTC [-] {2} [11:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite apt. [11:27]
mircea_popescu buncha dumb blondies all over, except they're not so nice to look at anymore. [11:27]
mircea_popescu kinda the intension of my old "too dumb to sling dope" piece [11:28]
nubbins` i've seen some pret-t-t-t-t-y dumb people sling dope [11:28]
nubbins` "smart" ones too [11:28]
mircea_popescu not this dumb. [11:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` anyway, if your definition of social assistance is "spends govt checks" then everyone in the us is on social assistance, much like everyoner ever in any developed country throughout history, at all points. [11:30]
* asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to write sequel, 'too dumb to build igloos' [11:30]
mircea_popescu because essentially what statehood means is this "we band together, get the bison, and then you can have some" [11:31]
mircea_popescu so yes roman citizens lived off the imperial dole. but also fought in the wars. [11:31]
mircea_popescu and yes the british citizenry lived off the imperial dole. but etc. [11:31]
mircea_popescu just as soon as people become unwilling to participate, the dole dries out AND civilisation's gone [11:31]
mircea_popescu they go together, these. [11:31]
nubbins` my definition is "gov gives you money for not doing anything, and this is your sole source of income" [11:32]
mircea_popescu your definition is dumb. [11:32]
nubbins` so are most of the people on irc. [11:32]
mircea_popescu what is this "not doing anything", and whence it became possible to not do anything. [11:32]
asciilifeform nubbins`: what if it gives you money through six intermediaries, and instead of 'not doing anything' you have to put on a robe and chant rain prayer every day ? [11:32]
asciilifeform then - not 'welfare' ? [11:32]
mircea_popescu good example. [11:32]
nubbins` what if this discussion devolved to absurdity? [11:32]
mircea_popescu it's not absurdity yo. it's just outside of your preconceived outlook. [11:33]
nubbins` lel [11:33]
asciilifeform it's where i live. [11:33]
mircea_popescu take the mental experiment of, two states which each consist of one woman. [11:33]
mircea_popescu state a keeps her "on welfare". state b makes her work in the grocery store. [11:33]
mircea_popescu i visit. if it's the case that i like the rested look of the woman in a, then state a just scored. no longer welfare. [11:34]
mircea_popescu if i like the busy look of woman in b, then b just scored. a is a pos nao shame on it for its moral bending ways. [11:34]
* nubbins` runs out of hands, smacks face on desk [11:34]
nubbins` i'm out [11:34]
mircea_popescu as you can see, the entire definition rests on what ~i~ prefer, [11:34]
mircea_popescu the rich nabob states exist to please. [11:34]
mircea_popescu aww, and i didn't even get to inquire if the woman that said "because we are also the only ones who give birth to men." was on welfare or not. [11:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever notice how office elevators are not specced to hold grizzly bears ? [11:36]
asciilifeform why not ? [11:36]
mircea_popescu situation not commonly encountered ? [11:36]
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asciilifeform to modern schmuck state, a character like mircea_popescu is a wtf, like a grizzly walking streets of new york [11:36]
mircea_popescu not so. [11:36]
asciilifeform not even considered as possibility [11:36]
mircea_popescu the fact that pubescent girl has not considered the possibility of cock [11:36]
mircea_popescu does not mean her cunt is not evolving with deliberate decisiveness towards accomodating it. [11:37]
mircea_popescu natural processes contain their ends. [11:37]
mircea_popescu this idea that homo artifex and somehow things that are are the result of deliberate reason etc... [11:37]
mircea_popescu please. read some code sometime. [11:37]
asciilifeform l0l who said 'reason' [11:37]
mircea_popescu well then. [11:37]
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asciilifeform just observing that 'homo welfaricus', male and female, will live and die without encountering mircea_popescu, by approximately same reason as elevator - grizzly. [11:38]
mircea_popescu or will they ? [11:38]
mircea_popescu i don't have to be encountered directly. [11:39]
asciilifeform if indirectly, as 'horseman' of popescucalypse - then surely. [11:39]
mircea_popescu this is my objection throughout this conversation : he was cutting the definiton to its first surface, like the people in your magic show. and now you wish to cut interaction to the first branch. [11:39]
mircea_popescu i will cloink you all in the head with a taleb hammer [11:39]
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asciilifeform well, the invocation of stretching gurlz etc. certainly suggested interaction of the flesh-to-flesh kind [11:41]
asciilifeform but perhaps i'm just thick [11:41]
* asciilifeform answered door, found gurl pushing jizzus saveth yer soul!!11!1 brochure in his face [11:42]
asciilifeform wonder if the knocked next door, and got the fella in the gas mask [11:42]
nubbins` heh [11:42]
nubbins` i had my first jehovas a couple days ago [11:43]
nubbins` in 4 years of living at this address [11:43]
asciilifeform (these are still shoveling. they just brought out a very ornate lamp, covered in grime) [11:43]
nubbins` asciilifeform maybe it's an episode of hoarders? [11:43]
asciilifeform nubbins`: the interesting thing is, [11:43]
asciilifeform i remarked to the pet: 'my well-informed colleagues explained to me that science knows of three species of hoarders: 'clean,' 'dirty', and 'cat' ' [11:44]
asciilifeform pet: 'realize that if we died tonight, the entire contents of this room will be carried out in just the same kind of black bags as are stacked over there' [11:44]
nubbins` things get tangly exponentially fast with the cat ones [11:44]
mircea_popescu i thought iut was "newspaper ; plastic bottle ; other" [11:44]
asciilifeform crew will probably not distinguish mountain of circuit boards from the poor old woman's plastic bottles [11:45]
nubbins` asciilifeform and they won't even wear spacesuits [11:45]
asciilifeform they might, from general sop [11:45]
nubbins` too true [11:45]
mircea_popescu ahaha woman's wit... [11:45]
nubbins` fool me once, etc [11:45]
asciilifeform after all, who knows what a hooligan might have [11:45]
asciilifeform esp. after they find the pcb etchants etc [11:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00037026 = 8.7937 BTC [-] {2} [11:45]
mircea_popescu time to get satin trims alf. [11:45]
nubbins` i wonder what specific changes i'd need to make to print PCBs here [11:46]
asciilifeform nubbins`: surprisingly few [11:46]
* nubbins` suspects "more ventilation" is high on the list [11:46]
asciilifeform nubbins`: you probably already own 95% of it [11:46]
* mircea_popescu hopes to visit one such house before he dies, where half is all tussled in silks and the other half is roughtly what i imagine alf already built. [11:46]
mircea_popescu a happy medium between the hosts. [11:46]
nubbins` asciilifeform i think solvent inks and a few chems are about all i'd need [11:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pet is not the 'silks' type [11:46]
mircea_popescu something like out of the buttefield 8 interiors. [11:46]
mircea_popescu nubbins` by print pcbs do you mean draw on them, ordo you mean etch them ? [11:47]
asciilifeform if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet. [11:47]
nubbins` draw [11:47]
nubbins` ident layer [11:47]
nubbins` i'm sure you could also silkscreen etching mask stuff, but sounds nasty [11:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how do you know she's not silks type ? [11:48]
asciilifeform nubbins`: silkscreen aside, think more 'b&w photography' than printing [11:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how do i know that not a dog [11:49]
mircea_popescu i think there's a difference between those two is-es [11:49]
nubbins` asciilifeform in fact, prepping a screen for printing is very similar to b&w photography. [11:49]
asciilifeform nubbins`: the silkscreen on pcb is largely optional [11:49]
nubbins` mesh is coated with photosensitive emulsion, exposed on light table w/ positive image masked [11:50]
nubbins` etc [11:50]
asciilifeform (component values help the folks doing the assembly, and has logo of maker, etc.) [11:50]
nubbins` nod [11:50]
asciilifeform nubbins`: then yes [11:50]
asciilifeform can go, do now. [11:50]
asciilifeform incidentally everything that is needed for small-scale (onesies-twosies) pcb making fits in a large suitcase [11:50]
asciilifeform at least, mine does [11:50]
nubbins` fun! [11:51]
asciilifeform it is even possible to make proper soldermask (think the green glossy coat on most commercial boards) in jungle conditions, but this, i have not tried. [11:51]
asciilifeform need something like the apparatus used to paint car fenders [11:51]
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nubbins` solder mask can be silkscreened [11:51]
asciilifeform can. but any error is disastrous [11:52]
nubbins` it's disastrous on a t-shirt too [11:52]
nubbins` 8) [11:52]
asciilifeform i mean, off by 0.1mm - straight to dump [11:52]
* nubbins` doesn't make errors [11:52]
nubbins` i should show you some of the multi-layer prints i've done [11:53]
asciilifeform any geometric distortion - straight to dump [11:53]
asciilifeform etc. [11:53]
asciilifeform but yes, equipment - largely same. [11:53]
* asciilifeform just realized that neighbour's car is still in its place. perhaps she... died ? [11:54]
nubbins` oh maybe. [11:55]
nubbins` cats almost certainly ate her face, if so [11:55]
nubbins` (srs) [11:55]
asciilifeform well-known [11:55]
asciilifeform (what else are they supposed to eat?) [11:55]
asciilifeform snatch first ? [11:55]
nubbins` hm, you can silkscreen etch-resist too [11:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00038001 = 6.9922 BTC [+] [11:55]
nubbins` alf HEH [11:56]
decimation I read a paper recently that indicated that there was a link between long-term cat ownership and crazy [11:56]
* nubbins` throws paper away and devotes life to producing PCBs [11:56]
asciilifeform decimation: the toxoplasma thing ? [11:56]
asciilifeform overblown [11:56]
decimation yeah I suppose that's the mechanism [11:56]
decimation perhaps, but when you are a crazy cat lady with 50 cats... [11:56]
nubbins` i think the mechanism is lonely people buy cats and further withdraw [11:56]
asciilifeform would be interesting if it worked on people the same way as on rat, though [11:56]
asciilifeform causing overwhelming urge to visit the zoo, closer and closer to lions.. [11:57]
decimation asciilifeform: I'm typing on a genuine model m, it is better than the unicomp [11:57]
nubbins` lel [11:57]
decimation but it is missing keys [11:57]
asciilifeform decimation: get bag of keys on 'ebay' [11:57]
asciilifeform or local junk shop. [11:57]
nubbins` packs of old ladies circling the shelter all day [11:57]
decimation no, no 'meta' [11:57]
asciilifeform all model m keys, unlike later kbds, have same geometry [11:57]
decimation only alt [11:57]
asciilifeform decimation: i assume you remapped capslock [11:57]
asciilifeform then ctrl can be meta [11:57]
decimation of course [11:57]
nubbins` ^ geometry drove me away from DVORAK [11:58]
decimation I didn't think of that for some reason [11:58]
decimation but the whole point of remapping control is so that you don't cripple pinky [11:58]
mircea_popescu so you get meta :D [11:58]
asciilifeform i put meta on thumb [11:58]
decimation ah right vs left [11:58]
asciilifeform which is where 'alt' normally lives [11:58]
mircea_popescu you emacs folk really shoulds have pedals [11:59]
mircea_popescu there's no way around it [11:59]
asciilifeform i have pedals. [11:59]
decimation you can buy pedals [11:59]
mircea_popescu the REASON it didn't use to be available was pure expense, but now every xbox comes with em [11:59]
asciilifeform overrated. find that i don't used them often. [11:59]
asciilifeform (reaction time. legs - long.) [11:59]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform probably because they're shitty whole foot pedals [11:59]
mircea_popescu try toe pedals. [11:59]
asciilifeform nah [11:59]
asciilifeform these are proper pedals. [11:59]
decimation somehow it works for pianos [11:59]
decimation but timing on the 'volume control' in the piano isn't quite as critical [11:59]
mircea_popescu orly. [12:00]
asciilifeform http://s192804805.onlinehome.us/ebayimages/lister4_3_14/xl_Kinesis_Savant_AC004PF_(6).jpg << quite like this. [12:00]
decimation nevertheless, the key feel of a real model m is suprerior to unicomp [12:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHVrDe ) [12:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that looks whole foot to me. [12:00]
nubbins` asciilifeform those look largely inefficient [12:00]
nubbins` ^^ [12:00]
mircea_popescu toe pedal. like one of those clickers people use to count crowds ? [12:00]
asciilifeform i would like something more like what one finds in an old airplane, yes [12:01]
asciilifeform but would have to build this [12:01]
asciilifeform (not aware of any commercial supplier) [12:01]
nubbins` you need something like a stompbox [12:01]
asciilifeform mno [12:01]
asciilifeform gotta be digital [12:01]
mircea_popescu right, because a clicker's hard nao [12:01]
asciilifeform as in, hard transition [12:01]
nubbins` stompbox casing w/ whatever switch you like [12:01]
asciilifeform can rest foot on it? [12:01]
decimation asdf asdfasdfasdfsasdfasdfasdfsdfa~/ [12:02]
decimation 44444545451234123 [12:02]
decimation doh sorry for the chan spam [12:02]
asciilifeform ( mircea_popescu was largely correct, one reason i'm not overly fond of this pedal is the difficulty of resting the foot ) [12:02]
nubbins` how about a sewing machine pedal? [12:02]
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asciilifeform again, analogue [12:02]
asciilifeform i must have the click [12:02]
nubbins` kick drum pedal w/ clicky button under the hammer. [12:02]
decimation yeah, instant feedback [12:02]
nubbins` wait, no [12:02]
nubbins` apple "magic mouse" resting on floor. [12:03]
nubbins` 8) [12:03]
asciilifeform (btw i began with a sewing machine pedal. turns out, they have terrible analogue noise in the switching mechanism ) [12:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know you could prolly hack a gravimeter off an old "smart"phone and a sock together into an excellent pedal. [12:03]
asciilifeform again gotta have the click-snap [12:03]
mircea_popescu arbitrarily defined and hten learned [12:03]
asciilifeform not enough to just push foot against piece of shit [12:03]
decimation without tactile feedback for when shit 'breaks' [12:03]
asciilifeform (which is why 'data glove' is lunacy) [12:03]
mircea_popescu ah, no, this was for sitting crosslegged [12:03]
mircea_popescu and twitch your off the ground foot [12:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00038001 = 1.273 BTC [+] [12:04]
nubbins` asciilifeform have you considered just mounting a keyboard spring mechanism on a piece of wood and putting a hinged cover on it? [12:04]
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mircea_popescu i dunno how much you folk spend crosslegged tho [12:04]
nubbins` you could use your favourite letter. [12:04]
decimation what about that guy who did the card-counting scam in the casino [12:04]
asciilifeform nubbins`: considered a gigantic version of 'buckling spring' as seen in model m [12:04]
asciilifeform but realized that it has to be finely adjustible [12:04]
decimation he used a foot-counter of some kind [12:04]
asciilifeform decimation: he used a tact switch in his show. [12:05]
asciilifeform shoe [12:05]
nubbins` asciilifeform put some levelers under the spring mech so you can raise/lower it [12:05]
asciilifeform under toe. [12:05]
nubbins` even a simple turnscrew [12:05]
asciilifeform nubbins`: arrived at this very thing. but did not build, because too few hands. [12:05]
asciilifeform it is still on the list. [12:05]
nubbins` well :D [12:05]
decimation on the other hand, organists play entire keyboard with feet [12:06]
asciilifeform decimation: 'not from a good life' [12:06]
asciilifeform the instrument demands it. [12:06]
decimation go to a church with a proper pipe organ and see [12:06]
nubbins` it's true [12:06]
* asciilifeform saw [12:06]
nubbins` the hands are just for show [12:06]
nubbins` like a conductor [12:06]
nubbins` 8) [12:06]
decimation not only that but ranks of pull-switches to change voice [12:06]
asciilifeform decimation: i recently learned that one of the great theatre organs, 'wurlitzers,' still works! [12:07]
nubbins` asciilifeform arcade-style buttons have a nice click and reasonable action [12:07]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: perhaps when they're new? i don't think i've ever encountered one that wasn't obviously mashed to all hell [12:07]
asciilifeform decimation: http://www.adrianworks.com/pod/source/image/berkeley-theatre-organ.jpg << these [12:08]
nubbins` http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/610198841_1/50-PCS-lot-America-style-Round-Push-Button-parts-for-arcade-game-machine-white-black-blue.jpg [12:08]
decimation asciilifeform: they are now associated with 'black church music' [12:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWmDM ) [12:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWkM9 ) [12:08]
nubbins` i've got a box full of them somewhere [12:08]
decimation but used to be common in everyday 'talkie' [12:08]
nubbins` nice click. i think they bounce like crazy tho [12:08]
asciilifeform http://www.cotps.com/cotps-sold/i205.jpg << percussion section from a 'wurlitzer' [12:08]
nubbins` but very satisfying to push [12:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWpPU ) [12:08]
* nubbins` frowns, considers building MAME cabinet [12:09]
decimation heh that's neat [12:09]
decimation obviously the point was to save on labor - 'one man band' [12:09]
asciilifeform aha. [12:09]
* asciilifeform bbl [12:09]
nubbins` JESUS that's an organ [12:10]
nubbins` this is like the analog equivalent of a room-sized Moog [12:10]
* decimation back to the mines... [12:10]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160496 << Almost all 'Murican Bison live on closed ranches now, Ted Turner et all. Almost all are genertically 25-50% cow in ancestry [12:10]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 13:33:12; asciilifeform: unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether [12:10]
nubbins` i thought you guys called em buffalo [12:11]
BingoBoingo Wild Bison release still largely verboten for the same reason they were eradicated. Transportation issues and can't let the Sioux get a foothold. [12:12]
mircea_popescu bison bison is one thing, the us buffalo. bison bonasus is the european guy, like the one discussed above. [12:13]
mircea_popescu there is no "bison" outside of this. [12:13]
mircea_popescu and bos sp (ie, cows/oxen of all types) hybridize with it. [12:13]
mircea_popescu unlike the case with eq. africanus / eq, caballus, the offspring's not usually infertile. [12:14]
mircea_popescu (the yak, although long haired, is still a sort of cow, rather than a sort of bison) [12:15]
nubbins` theatre organs, who knew [12:21]
nubbins` fascinating [12:21]
BingoBoingo Oh http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26807 [12:21]
assbot Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZtLHf ) [12:21]
mircea_popescu and in unrelated stuff : it is perhaps known by the esteemed audience that the (mostly) lacedemonian cult of hyacinth most likely provided the backing for most of christianity's christ-centric mythology (as opposed to its mary fixations). [12:23]
mircea_popescu specifically, this was a very accomplished youth that was disputed by the sun god and the wind god, and favoured the sun god. so the wind god arranged for something to fall on his head. [12:24]
mircea_popescu but then he was... reborn. [12:24]
mircea_popescu so they had a festival (hyacinthia) which took three days, and the first was mourning, and the 2nd celebration over the alleged rebirth and so on. [12:24]
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mircea_popescu all this, a good five to ten centuries before jewish sect split off. [12:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18774 @ 0.00037137 = 6.9721 BTC [-] {2} [12:25]
mircea_popescu and the spartans took breaks from their wars to go back and celebrate... hyacinthsmas. [12:26]
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mircea_popescu !up ksipax [12:27]
-assbot- You voiced ksipax for 30 minutes. [12:27]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo haha ocol [12:27]
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pete_dushenski lol hyacinthmas ! [12:29]
pete_dushenski i could see secular post-post-modern version being 'narcissismas' [12:30]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe << mystery "firefox 29" version from oldapps.com hosted [12:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZBLc ) [12:31]
pete_dushenski i also found that the winbloze "firefox 29" links to... the exact same mystery file [12:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/want-high-end-flight-sim-pedals-put-500-in-a-polish-bank-account-and-contact-slaw/ [12:32]
assbot Want high-end flight sim pedals? Put $500 in a Polish bank account and contact Slaw | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZK1q ) [12:32]
pete_dushenski in the 20-odd other versions i checked, all the others linked to the expected file [12:32]
mircea_popescu haha narcissismas works [12:33]
mircea_popescu "at this sacred time of the year we go back home to be by ourselves) [12:33]
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pete_dushenski "on our phones. in front of the mirror. while sitting on the shitter." [12:34]
pete_dushenski "it's how we remember where we came from and where we're going" [12:35]
pete_dushenski in other news, inflation strikes mozilla : "Mozilla has more than doubled the cash rewards under its dusty bug bounty to beyond $10,000." [12:35]
pete_dushenski up from $3k 5 years ago [12:35]
BingoBoingo Ok they keep rolling in http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26810 [12:38]
assbot Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0EuH ) [12:38]
mircea_popescu lmao [12:39]
pete_dushenski hahaha notbad [12:40]
mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc87lbpH7r1rsl8k7o1_500.gif << woman's shadow, greatly exceeds the size of the woman [12:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0YcV ) [12:40]
pete_dushenski guy watching shadow out of corner of his eye [12:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00036224 = 11.2838 BTC [-] {2} [12:42]
scoopbot_revived Exodus From New York Begins http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-new-york-begins/ [12:57]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell copypaste nice work https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHOBXVZVIAAMylU.png:large [13:02]
pete_dushenski "the fledgling accountless Bitcoin gaming site Satoshi Dice lead it to a long reign" << BingoBoingo wordiness aside, it's missing "and" [13:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsRGPN ) [13:02]
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BingoBoingo Fixed, pete_dushenski but instead of "and" fixed it with "ing" [13:03]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: also "as the most popular Bitcoin gambling sites of the time." << mixing singular and plural [13:04]
mircea_popescu i can't read that fuckin ss. can't it be a log in text format like with sane ppls. [13:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: copypaste twatter'd it as an image [13:08]
BingoBoingo Basically copypaste pointed out reddit users are cuckolds who just take it [13:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, copypaste has it. "adjusting to circumvent the rules" is more empowering of the idiots than actually following the rules. NO. let them go hang with their rules. [13:09]
mircea_popescu david thorne basically has it : http://www.27bslash6.com/massanutten.html [13:10]
assbot Massanutten. Water slides, mini-golf and bears. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMHJ0r ) [13:10]
mircea_popescu Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority, I will continue to secure trash correctly. [13:10]
mircea_popescu there shall be no toleration of improper authority. [13:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59176 @ 0.00036591 = 21.6531 BTC [+] {2} [13:21]
mircea_popescu http://www.27bslash6.com/interviews.html << look at that, he updated. [13:21]
assbot "How is this an issue? Just ask ten fucking interview questions." ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsVCjq ) [13:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40367 @ 0.00038149 = 15.3996 BTC [+] [13:22]
pete_dushenski "I have also heard that music soothes the savage beast but the last time I sang Whitney Houston's 'The Greatest Love of All' to my offspring, it had the opposite effect despite what I considered to be an excellent reproduction of her tonal range." << combined with dog/bear in jeep and... i died ! [13:22]
BingoBoingo Have an actual zippo now apparently there is something 'Murica still manufacters well http://imgur.com/y8raHin [13:25]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWggS ) [13:25]
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pete_dushenski "I know someone who contracted Ross River Virus several years ago and he needs to be pushed around in a wheel-chair, moaning the whole time about his joints and inadequate ramp access. I visited him in his ground-floor apartment once but it was a miserable and forced conversation so I told him I had a present for him in the car and went to get it. Then drove home." [13:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12653 @ 0.00038149 = 4.827 BTC [+] [13:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00036061 = 38.1886 BTC [-] {5} [13:28]
nubbins` http://gschoppe.com/embedded/the-anonybox-squid-socks-and-openvpn-all-for-15/ [13:28]
pete_dushenski quite the little spread between bid/ask on mpoe these last few days. [13:28]
assbot The AnonyBox – Squid, SOCKS, and OpenVPN, all for $15 | Gschoppe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWVia ) [13:28]
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BingoBoingo Oh, reddit banned an subreddit dedicated to actual whale watching thinking it was a part of the fat hate movement https://archive.is/nsZKC [13:31]
assbot whalewatching ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMJUkr ) [13:31]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski im surprised he's not a lot more widely known. [13:34]
mircea_popescu for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan [13:34]
pete_dushenski he's... not ?! [13:34]
mircea_popescu i dunno [13:34]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ahaha [13:34]
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pete_dushenski i came across thorne a few years back when a friend bought me a collection of his stories [13:35]
pete_dushenski epic lulzfest [13:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and i expect reddit admins don't now self ban for the whale watching incident because while they don't ban ideas but actiosn, nevertheless their own actions are extempt, because [13:35]
mircea_popescu "io was just doing my job" [13:35]
pete_dushenski pretty sure i mentioned and sourced (at least) one of his pieces for a contravex article a few months back [13:35]
mircea_popescu ie, to the bureaucrat's mind, HE is the only one entitled to be in the world (on account of his job) [13:36]
BingoBoingo Seriously [13:36]
mircea_popescu everyone else - just a guest here. [13:36]
mircea_popescu which is exactly what we'll be doing to them. [13:36]
mircea_popescu everyone ELSE is entitled to be here [13:36]
mircea_popescu but bureaucrats have no civil rights [13:36]
mircea_popescu you feel rapey one morning, rape a cop. [13:36]
mircea_popescu that's what they're there for. [13:36]
BingoBoingo This seems to be the reddit's last inflection point on the digg curve https://archive.is/p72br [13:36]
assbot all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKpuK ) [13:37]
pete_dushenski the world must conform to the bureaucrat's 'ideas', namely, the words scrawled on the 'regulation' piece of paper [13:37]
pete_dushenski though they have no idea from whence these words came [13:37]
pete_dushenski 'mana from heaven' [13:37]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the funny thing is, they watched the internet completely destroy the journalism business model, 1990-2010 [13:37]
pete_dushenski "you should be grateful" [13:37]
mircea_popescu and did not for a second realise that... guess who's next ? [13:37]
mircea_popescu as they say, if you don't know who's next.... you're next. [13:37]
punkman oh a new one http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html [13:38]
pete_dushenski "first they came for... etc" [13:38]
assbot It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKv5A ) [13:38]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: bureaucrats probably assumed they could throw manufacturing under the bus next [13:38]
pete_dushenski perhaps academia [13:38]
mircea_popescu except nobody asks them :) [13:39]
pete_dushenski true ! [13:39]
BingoBoingo Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made [13:40]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: simple enough mechanism, i guess [13:41]
pete_dushenski not a car, dishwasher, etc [13:41]
BingoBoingo My though is maybe the manufactering setup is too expensive to move? [13:41]
pete_dushenski also, smokers are a traditional bunch, not looking for bluetooth connectivity on their zippo [13:42]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: more likely brand value of "made in usa" and sufficiently cheap labour (non-union) [13:42]
BingoBoingo yes we are [13:42]
BingoBoingo Well the thing is stamped pennsylvania so likely union [13:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo could be a case of brazil made but well hidden fact fraud. how do you know it's us made ? [13:43]
BingoBoingo that is a point [13:43]
BingoBoingo Can't find anything online about the great zippo layoff though [13:45]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160746 << 'majority' is only 51%, even though i agree that 'direct welfare' is an awful definition [13:45]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 14:19:43; nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance [13:45]
mircea_popescu in any case, i'll make the point that i am not at all against welfare, but i am dead-stone-cold against the state having anything to do with it. [13:46]
mircea_popescu it's a source of power for it that it should never even dream of, and it's a source of moral hazard for society the likes of which can not even be described. [13:46]
nubbins` ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V [13:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt0jK5 ) [13:47]
mircea_popescu welfare, like ownership of women and children, should be strictly in the hands of the citizenry. [13:47]
mircea_popescu (the two incidentally are not at all that distinct, welfare and ownership of people as things) [13:48]
pete_dushenski just found a curious bug in search.b-a : if the search contains the '%' symbol, clicking 'next page' sends you back to the blank search homepage [13:49]
pete_dushenski ^kakobrekla [13:49]
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pete_dushenski not necessarily a big deal, just to note. [13:49]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so it's in the state's interest to maximise welfare distribution [13:51]
pete_dushenski as it would be for any private citizen [13:51]
mircea_popescu well, it baloons because the state doesn't have to pay for it. [13:51]
mircea_popescu if i got to sign checks off your bank account, i could probably have enough "friends" to fill your house with drunks. [13:51]
pete_dushenski whereas a citizen is limited by his own pocketbook, right. [13:52]
mircea_popescu if you also gotta make that money first... [13:52]
mircea_popescu as shown by the relative rarity of homeowners filling thew place with drunks. [13:52]
mircea_popescu (rent!=ownership here) [13:52]
pete_dushenski which gives us "low-income/social" housing [13:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29077 @ 0.00036356 = 10.5712 BTC [+] {3} [13:57]
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nubbins` ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161149 [13:59]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 16:43:17; nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V [13:59]
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nubbins` i believe you requested this a while back [13:59]
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pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats [14:04]
gribble Current Blocks: 360488 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [14:04]
pete_dushenski none... [14:05]
pete_dushenski ;;nethash [14:05]
gribble 383308350.87 [14:05]
pete_dushenski mhm. [14:05]
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ascii_field nubbins`: i'm out here sans key [14:06]
ascii_field will have to look, later [14:07]
nubbins` a treat for later [14:07]
ascii_field ok [14:07]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: afaik NOBODY makes good digital pedals [14:07]
ascii_field (entirely not same animal as racing or flightsim pedals) [14:08]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Ah digital. yeah that's analog [14:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00038149 = 9.8806 BTC [+] [14:11]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161101 << wai wat, of what ? [14:13]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 16:30:29; mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan [14:13]
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BingoBoingo ascii_field: of the thorne guy [14:14]
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BingoBoingo ascii_field: http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html [14:15]
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assbot "Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt4Wnr ) [14:15]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161134 << what's it, a bottle of petrol and a flint ? [14:16]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 16:36:46; BingoBoingo: Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made [14:16]
ascii_field archetypically american archaicism [14:16]
ascii_field (butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?) [14:17]
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BingoBoingo ascii_field: It's a wick that runs through a course of rayon balls soaked in naptha [14:17]
BingoBoingo Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker [14:17]
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BingoBoingo Not a single moving part or wear item that isn't user servicable [14:18]
* BingoBoingo has used butane lighters for the longest time, almost always disposable. The refilable ones don't tend to last. [14:20]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: i often find these on the pavement. when turned over, they invariably read 'made in china' [14:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00036392 = 6.1502 BTC [-] {2} [14:21]
BingoBoingo I've had previous lighters of the zippo form before , but they almost always leaked within weeks of purchase [14:21]
BingoBoingo And if Imma smoke cigarettes I don't want my meat becoming a fire hazard [14:22]
nubbins` ascii_field "fake zippos" are plentiful and outnumber the real ones thousands to one [14:24]
nubbins` "real zippos" come with lifetime warranties, and if you mail them a broken zippo from 1930 they'll fix it for free [14:24]
nubbins` and truly are windproof [14:24]
nubbins` i can hold one 6" from my face and empty my lungs at it without extinguishing the flame [14:25]
* BingoBoingo has been lighing cigarettes in front of fans in awe. I don't know what I was missing with "Bic" [14:25]
nubbins` that said, the ubiquitous Bic lighter is a marvel in its own right [14:25]
BingoBoingo It is. Bic will probably remain my lighter for driving [14:26]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [14:26]
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ascii_field BingoBoingo: why not the electric lighter built into the car? [14:26]
BingoBoingo My beloved Saturn, which has forded floods and traversed cornfields... lacks one [14:27]
BingoBoingo Instead it has utility plug which rejects replacement lighters [14:27]
BingoBoingo Just refuses to heat them [14:27]
ascii_field wai wat, how ?! [14:27]
BingoBoingo I dunno how, but I've tried. [14:28]
nubbins` heh [14:28]
nubbins` contact the dealership [14:28]
BingoBoingo Maybe some Z80 motherfucker detects the resistance of a lighter [14:28]
nubbins` my car also has a "power outlet" w/ no lighter [14:28]
nubbins` but those things suck anyway [14:28]
nubbins` dodgy to use [14:28]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: Dealership was rental place which rented car previously [14:29]
BingoBoingo !up mixdio [14:29]
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nubbins` just as likely for the cig to stick to the coil and you end up with a hot cherry in your lap [14:29]
nubbins` plus they get dirty w/ ash etc [14:29]
nubbins` about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home [14:29]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Yeah in previous car I disliked it. Cig sticks the thing stays hot so potential disaster if dropped. No point in it if it can only be safely used while parked or staopped [14:29]
nubbins` i dropped the car lighter once while driving, had to pull over [14:30]
BingoBoingo about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home << have done this numberous times. Works splendidly [14:30]
nubbins` works splendidly but i bet you swore for a bic each time [14:30]
BingoBoingo Nah, only most times. Most times did it as a party trick for visiting smoker guests. [14:31]
nubbins` all this talk of smoking [14:34]
nubbins` :/ [14:34]
ascii_field in other news, [14:35]
ascii_field http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC3860B1F474ECBA8A5E4B3EE68EC611E2A60731994E56C22070EC864766D4A6 [14:35]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9wC0 ) [14:35]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9zOi ) [14:35]
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* BingoBoingo pretty sure he has figured out the part of leak resistance most zippo clones neglect. [14:36]
BingoBoingo combination of plated brass case and steel fuel holding insert is the trick (beyond measurements) [14:38]
nubbins` brass and steel huh [14:39]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well think about the metals in terms on conparatice hardness and their willingness to flex [14:39]
nubbins` i will do no such thing! [14:40]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148 [14:42]
assbot Medical marijuana legal in all forms, Supreme Court rules - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbmTF ) [14:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00036801 = 10.2675 BTC [+] [14:43]
BingoBoingo fine, the outer case is a plated flexible Brass, the inner insert is rigid steel. There is a taper and ring combination between the case and inset that is tight to non-polar fluids. Aluminum on aluminum and Zamac on Zamac don't accomplish this. <<< ATTN CHINESE COUNTERFEITERS PLS ACK [14:43]
nubbins` related: [14:43]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/my-qp-why-does-my-child-have-to-smoke-his-medical-marijuana-1.2841202 [14:43]
assbot My QP: Why does my child have to smoke his medical marijuana? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbQcm ) [14:43]
nubbins` 10yo kid has severe epilepsy, weed reduces their frequency by 99%, kid is not permitted to eat hash brownie [14:44]
nubbins` MUST smoke joint [14:44]
nubbins` (until today!) [14:44]
BingoBoingo Brass though generaly a useful metal. doesn't spark. [14:45]
nubbins` "We will continue to combat it. We will continue our anti-drug strategy, we will target youth with the message that marijuana pot is bad for them," the minister said. [14:47]
nubbins` marijuana pot is bad for you [14:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00035513 = 7.6886 BTC [-] [14:51]
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jurov BAD FOR YA, I TOLD YOU [14:54]
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* BingoBoingo may be wrong about bimetallic theory, 0.5 BTC is too much to test at the moment http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023714 [14:56]
assbot Zippo - Slim® (Style #1500-000038-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCCHV1 ) [14:57]
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BingoBoingo !up allahisgreat2000 [14:59]
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allahisgreat2000 ty [14:59]
BingoBoingo allahisgreat2000: Further BitBet questions? [14:59]
allahisgreat2000 yes [14:59]
jurov ;;seen yhwh [14:59]
gribble I have not seen yhwh. [14:59]
BingoBoingo !up BoobBarker [14:59]
jurov ;;seen yhwh_ [14:59]
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gribble yhwh_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: tight [14:59]
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BingoBoingo allahisgreat2000: continue [15:00]
allahisgreat2000 I just wanted to ask why the provision is so low [15:00]
BingoBoingo Which provision? [15:00]
allahisgreat2000 the 1 % [15:00]
allahisgreat2000 bitbet takes [15:00]
BingoBoingo Because some bets get BIG [15:00]
kakobrekla cheap whores [15:00]
BingoBoingo ;;google biggest bets on Bitbet [15:00]
gribble BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B ...: ; BitBet: ; BitBet history on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: [15:00]
BingoBoingo But yes also cheap whores [15:01]
allahisgreat2000 oh nice [15:01]
allahisgreat2000 someone lost 400,000 dollars hahahahahha [15:01]
allahisgreat2000 I can't help but laugh [15:01]
allahisgreat2000 sorry [15:02]
jurov wait till you lose big on "easy" bets [15:02]
kakobrekla jus bet on no [15:03]
allahisgreat2000 basically [15:03]
allahisgreat2000 just bet against bitcoin and you're fine [15:03]
jurov do is mell martingale? [15:03]
BingoBoingo Not always bet against bitcoin, and not always on no [15:04]
allahisgreat2000 why did some bets get so much popularity [15:04]
BingoBoingo ;;google bitbet worth more than satoshi dice [15:04]
gribble Satoshi Dice - The Biggest Bitcoin Game in the World: ; NEXT: 06-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - Btc Alpha: [15:04]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:bitbet.us bitbet worth more than satoshi dice [15:05]
gribble BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th ...: [15:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5043 @ 0.00035513 = 1.7909 BTC [-] [15:06]
allahisgreat2000 are there other sites like bitbet? [15:06]
BingoBoingo https://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/ [15:07]
assbot BitBet - BitBet will we worth more than Satoshi Dice :: 3.92 B (18%) on Yes, 17.83 B (82%) on No | closed 1 year 11 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1MthlHX ) [15:07]
BingoBoingo Not really [15:07]
allahisgreat2000 if not they could probably raise to 5%, I don't think it would seriously set people back from betting [15:07]
allahisgreat2000 and that's 5x the profit [15:07]
allahisgreat2000 just my 2 percent [15:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00035874 = 4.8789 BTC [+] {2} [15:14]
BingoBoingo allahisgreat2000: Well, the thing is since they already get betting volume 1% keeps away erstwhile competitors [15:15]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: 0.5 btc too much for lighter, then 50 btc is right out eh. http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023765 [15:16]
assbot Zippo - Classic (Style #195-001-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtjCTx ) [15:16]
pete_dushenski hm. lighter or mpex seat. [15:16]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Indeed [15:16]
allahisgreat2000 bitbet trades on mpex [15:18]
allahisgreat2000 is it a registered company? [15:18]
allahisgreat2000 or how does it work [15:18]
pete_dushenski in other news, rupert murdoch stepped down as ceo of 21st century fox today [15:19]
allahisgreat2000 i'll try to google it I guess [15:20]
BingoBoingo allahisgreat2000: It trades is registered on MPEx [15:21]
allahisgreat2000 it trades as a registered company itself? [15:22]
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pete_dushenski allahisgreat2000: being traded on mpex is a registration of sorts unto itself [15:22]
pete_dushenski arguably the one and only (tm) [15:23]
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mircea_popescu Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker << this. butane sucks. [15:25]
mircea_popescu i dunno who the fuck uses them for for what. [15:25]
BingoBoingo I mean the butane torch lighters are cool... until they need refilled [15:26]
allahisgreat2000 why does mpex has such a poor layout? [15:26]
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mircea_popescu because you're new and have nfi. [15:27]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [15:27]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [15:27]
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allahisgreat2000 it's still shitty [15:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15719 @ 0.00036532 = 5.7425 BTC [+] [15:28]
mircea_popescu M * 193 ? heh [15:28]
TheNewDeal for the lelz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2CEJb4oyY [15:29]
assbot Criminal Masterminds: Man uses balloons to dispose of illegal drugs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtmyj7 ) [15:29]
BingoBoingo why does mpex has such a poor layout? << easy to parse [15:29]
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mircea_popescu ftr i'd rather not see more from this derp this year. [15:31]
BingoBoingo yeah [15:31]
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mircea_popescu "oh raise it 5x it'd raise 5x and wouldn't lower 5x just my 2%" he should probably target young people with pot messages. [15:32]
nubbins` so i now have "concierge service" with the royal canadian mint [15:32]
nubbins` o.O [15:32]
mircea_popescu either that or he's one of those people who've been targetted by ministers [15:32]
mircea_popescu which IS bad for them [15:32]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: add an item to the 'civilization no longer knows how to make these not be garbage' list: logic analyzers... [15:32]
mircea_popescu the jury's still out on weed. but fucking ministers are HORRIBLE for youth [15:32]
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nubbins` i'll be the first to say weed messes kids up [15:32]
nubbins` i guess i won't be the first. [15:33]
nubbins` heh [15:33]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc1pvnNEvi1r3si7eo1_500.gif << liek fresh apple pie [15:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtnAvw ) [15:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18710 @ 0.00036532 = 6.8351 BTC [+] [15:34]
TheNewDeal speaking of fresh. Yesterday was quite the day in fresh news [15:34]
mircea_popescu wha happened ? [15:35]
TheNewDeal 4 articles published [15:35]
TheNewDeal and I think 3 were in a matter of a few hours [15:35]
mircea_popescu o you mean qntra ? [15:35]
TheNewDeal well I said news, of course [15:36]
TheNewDeal whats the 1 day record? [15:37]
mircea_popescu might have been... gotta consult teh experts. [15:37]
TheNewDeal looks like feb 18th might have it [15:39]
TheNewDeal scratch that [15:39]
mircea_popescu so why not write one an' help the records along? [15:39]
TheNewDeal oO [15:40]
BingoBoingo If I remember right 5-ish was the record [15:40]
TheNewDeal Oct 9th, 2013 - (11) [15:41]
TheNewDeal I had an idea for one titled the U.S. War on Crptography, but it started looking like garbage to me. Might have to go back for a rewrite [15:42]
mircea_popescu the first 10`000 or so rewrites are always the hardest [15:42]
mircea_popescu you go numb after that. [15:43]
TheNewDeal hahaha [15:43]
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mircea_popescu !up goregrind [15:44]
-assbot- You voiced goregrind for 30 minutes. [15:44]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Instead of big sweeping pieces it is easier to start with smaller ones that lead to a big sweeping piece later. It is alwas possible to cite oneself later [15:48]
TheNewDeal not a bad idea [15:48]
TheNewDeal Although I think I'm slightly braindamaged and forget how to find real news. Where exists real breaking news these days, outside of the propaganda machine? [15:49]
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TheNewDeal the blagosphere? [15:50]
BingoBoingo AH, actual news is hard to find [15:50]
jurov if you do stuff, real news will find you [15:54]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal actually, you could go ask people things. [15:55]
mircea_popescu take random "event" as reported by the noisemakers, ask the people involved intelligent questions, write down their answers. [15:55]
mircea_popescu can't miss. nobody in "journalism" has asked an intelligent question since that time in 1996 that chick asked me if she may suck my cock. [15:56]
jurov lol as today, due to my stint at hard-of-hearing nonprofit (now defunct, but my phone is still listed on only non-derpy slovak website related to hearing disability) [15:57]
jurov i got a call from immigration police [15:57]
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jurov "we have sme deaf ukrainians here, we dun know wtf to do" [15:57]
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kakobrekla did you tell em they are just pretending [15:58]
mircea_popescu ^ [15:59]
jurov heh i had to explain them twice why the sign language may be different here and there, their manner convinced me they are genuine cops [15:59]
mircea_popescu not the cops. the ukrs. [15:59]
jurov oh. never occurred to me [15:59]
mircea_popescu lol [15:59]
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jurov but i meant that as illustration for TheNewDeal that if you get involved, things happen. soe are ordinary, like this, some are newsworthy, like eulora [16:01]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: for your qntsideration http://dpaste.com/1W2XWE9.txt [16:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GACt0x ) [16:01]
TheNewDeal ahhh [16:01]
mircea_popescu he has a point there. [16:01]
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scoopbot_revived 17-year-old Virginian Pleads Guilty to Tweeting About Bitcoin and ISIS http://qntra.net/2015/06/17-year-old-virginian-pleads-guilty-to-tweeting-about-bitcoin-and-isis/ [16:06]
pete_dushenski ^another poor kid signed the papers [16:07]
mircea_popescu "using the only and only cryptocurrency" ? [16:07]
pete_dushenski hm. "one and only" [16:08]
pete_dushenski please to fix BingoBoingo [16:08]
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pete_dushenski only^2 !! [16:08]
pete_dushenski 1 is the onliest number [16:08]
BingoBoingo fxd [16:09]
pete_dushenski cheers [16:09]
BingoBoingo https://archive.is/5iYsa [16:09]
assbot Reminder that Ellen Pao, reddit's CEO, demanded $2.7M to not appeal lost gender discrimination lawsuit, exactly the same amount her husband owes in legal fees for his Ponzi scheme case : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8gi3R ) [16:09]
mircea_popescu ahahaha good one. [16:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo qntra ? [16:10]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: You want a first qntra scoop? There's reddit drama! [16:10]
mircea_popescu a large piece about what a piece of human refuse pao is, and what a huge turd everything ycombinator touches turns out, and specifically about what a failed human being altgman is and what a morally repugnant schmoe graham is for allowing the charade to continue [16:11]
mircea_popescu would kinda hit the spot. [16:11]
mircea_popescu people kinda need to hear about all this filth. [16:12]
mircea_popescu lest they end up believing "professional" is something other than "toilet clogged with nail polish on" [16:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00036801 = 2.0241 BTC [+] [16:17]
kakobrekla jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St98rOLZlEs [16:18]
assbot The Wire - English Motherfucker - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GADOVm ) [16:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036637 = 6.2283 BTC [-] {3} [16:19]
jurov ? [16:20]
kakobrekla nvm [16:20]
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TheNewDeal Think I'm going to have a heater here. Might take a month or so [16:24]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Nah, gotta work on that speed [16:28]
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TheNewDeal qualitay is the game [16:38]
TheNewDeal Learned that as a Green Belt(tm) ;) [16:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00037417 = 9.8781 BTC [+] [16:42]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Sure [16:47]
TheNewDeal Not indicating yours are low quality, just want to find my own niche [16:48]
BingoBoingo Well there's seriously the reddit thing if you want low hanging fruit. [16:55]
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mircea_popescu pretty ripe, height irrespective. [17:04]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:06]
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ascii_field mats, anybody remotely else: does anybody on the planet sell a logic analyzer that isn't an utter piece of shit? [17:06]
ascii_field for any price ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu define ? [17:07]
ascii_field 1) 500MHz+ 2) no winblows, on the analyzer OR pc end 3) pisses out capture to pc at channel rate [17:07]
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jurov usb tv tuner not suitable? [17:11]
jurov http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr [17:11]
assbot rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR [17:11]
thestringpuller how is Voorhees operating a business in new york when he defected and moved to panama to avoid US taxes? [17:11]
jurov thestringpuller: very ethically [17:11]
ascii_field thus far i can't even find a supplier who will guarantee two out of these three [17:11]
ascii_field (#2 is not negotiable, the thing feeds into an automated system) [17:11]
* ascii_field pronounces curse on the lying pieces of shit who built the chinese instrument he is presently attempting to use [17:11]
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ascii_field everything they make is an electronic equivalent of 'gutter oil.' EVERYTHING. [17:11]
ascii_field jurov: not logic analyzer!!! [17:12]
mircea_popescu ascii_field something like Saleae Pro 8 Logic ? [17:12]
jurov anything that takes samples at requested rates can be repurposed to logical analyzer. or, educate me. [17:12]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's a turd [17:13]
mircea_popescu nevertheless it is 5msamples and iirc os ? [17:13]
ascii_field jurov: needs not only an input buffer that lets you define the 'high' and 'low' voltage, but a gigantic sram buffer for the bits [17:13]
ascii_field and a very fast connection (pci, or usb3 at the minimal) to pc [17:13]
ascii_field otherwise you only get fraction of a second 'blast' [17:14]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: we considered salae thing. vastly underpowered, and (last checked) requires use of their app [17:14]
mircea_popescu i don't really recall how that was left. hazy memory at best. [17:14]
jurov that yes... if you insist on capturing long sequences at >500MHz at such constraints... God help you. [17:15]
ascii_field jurov: i'd be satisfied if the boxes which claimed 100, actually did anything near. [17:15]
jurov what if you buy 100 of these dongles and instruct them to fire sequentially? [17:15]
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ascii_field jurov: that is PRECISELY why the chinese unit sucks [17:16]
ascii_field that's what it does. [17:16]
ascii_field trick is that the phases -never- line up. [17:16]
mircea_popescu ahh [17:16]
jurov lolk [17:16]
ascii_field 1024 chickens [17:16]
ascii_field cannot equal the ox. [17:16]
mircea_popescu the phases will never line up for stuff to do with planck's constant [17:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: more elementarily, for stuff to do with chineseness [17:17]
ascii_field we are working well below ultimate physical limits here [17:17]
mats ascii_field: for generic high speed stuff, get a Rigol oscope and write your own tools? [17:18]
mircea_popescu i am pretty sure you won't find a unit with 8 gb ddram which reads at 500mhz and stores 16 seconds for you. [17:18]
ascii_field mats: that's what i have!!!! [17:18]
ascii_field it's a fucking turx [17:18]
ascii_field turd [17:18]
mats bummer [17:19]
ascii_field 500mhz/1chan/16sec ~= 1000 MByte. [17:19]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field how about connecting it straight to the cpu ? [17:19]
ascii_field input would have to be processed in 1 cycle [17:20]
ascii_field then you have idiocies like interrupts, dram wait states... [17:20]
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mircea_popescu hm [17:20]
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trinque something keeps knocking that guy offline [17:20]
mircea_popescu but you don't really care WHICH seconds you capture, as long as you capture some ? [17:20]
ascii_field no [17:20]
mircea_popescu just write a driver for it as if it were i dunno, an ethernet [17:21]
ascii_field gotta capture a particular span of time [17:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0003647 = 14.0774 BTC [-] {2} [17:21]
ascii_field again, there can be no variation in the latency of the capture [17:21]
trinque deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FD6NBK.txt [17:21]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [17:21]
mircea_popescu what are you trying to do ? [17:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65rmY ) [17:21]
ascii_field the reason i even tell this story is that i sorta realized that logic analyzers don't actually exist [17:21]
ascii_field and that the instruments sold under this label are apparently a cheap fraud [17:21]
mircea_popescu seem some pretty heavy constraints [17:21]
mats here we go again [17:22]
jurov trinque this is wiki material [17:22]
trinque I dun haz an account [17:22]
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trinque jurov: that's for mod6 who is writing up something more fleshed out [17:23]
jurov still nice to have, ask kakobrekla for acct [17:24]
ascii_field looked at how logic analyzer is typically built, and was immediately struck by the idiocy of it using synchronous logic [17:24]
ascii_field i.e. sampling at fixed frequency [17:24]
danielpbarron http://gfy.com/20496100-post1.html >> I am selling my account on Agora as well as all my inventory. I simply don't have the time to be packing up orders and running out to the post office a couple times a week. I will also reveal my sources for all these items. I have almost 1000 transactions on there and have a feedback rating of 4.68 out of 5. [17:24]
assbot GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - For Sale Make Big Money on the Darkweb. I Am Selling My Elite Vendor Account + Inventory! ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOq3V7 ) [17:24]
ascii_field i fail to see any reason why it isn't instead a series of registers clocked asynchronously by the inputs, causing a single time-stamp reg to be shifted out the arse end upon any transition [17:25]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron so you wanna buy it ? [17:25]
danielpbarron buy what? this dude's agora account? no [17:25]
mircea_popescu ascii_field hm. [17:26]
ascii_field yes, engineers say 'we hate clock domain transitions.' well, motherfuckers can dig for uranium in butugychag until they learn to ~like~ [17:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28903 @ 0.0003723 = 10.7606 BTC [+] {2} [17:26]
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mircea_popescu have a pic of a suspender bra instead. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma98asTIHd1r6ppbno1_1280.jpg [17:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65RtB ) [17:27]
ascii_field l0l [17:27]
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mats http://www.msreverseengineering.com/blog/2015/6/9/x86-trivia-for-nerds [17:32]
assbot Trivia Questions for X86 Nerds — Möbius Strip Reverse Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1B66iEn ) [17:32]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [17:36]
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nubbins` danielpbarron re: account sale lel [17:38]
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mats heh [17:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.25362132 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share [18:32]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/226HVEM.txt [18:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I7u53x ) [18:33]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/109VEQM.txt [18:35]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [18:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 77.96824298 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share [18:35]
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shinohai 15 sats per share o my https://i.imgur.com/ZNMF05U.jpg [18:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6JvxG ) [18:46]
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trinque that time I clicked a shinohai link in public [18:51]
trinque no regrets [18:51]
shinohai #yolo [18:51]
shinohai If I could figure out how to marry my love of porn to btc I might make something [18:52]
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mircea_popescu nice girl. [19:03]
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jurov shinohai perhaps you can make 3d models for eulora? [19:28]
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mircea_popescu btw, anyone has noticed yet the girls have no underwear and if you fiddle the camera there's an anus shot ? [19:38]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [19:39]
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ascii_field http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/01/blockchain_app_shows_how_not_to_code << did we do this lul ? [19:39]
assbot Android Bitcoin wallet Blockchain was briefly borked • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8QEvR ) [19:39]
ascii_field ^ not to be confused with the -last- time this happened [19:40]
mircea_popescu sort-of [19:41]
trinque what the fuck, blockchain was/is using somebody else's API for "random" data? [19:41]
mircea_popescu heh [19:42]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works trinque m'boy. [19:42]
ascii_field again, not to be confused with the time they used defective rng on android proper [19:42]
mircea_popescu gottra love all these "A second programming error" [19:43]
danielpbarron jurov> http://www.explo.yt/eulora_rec_9.png this camera angle was mircea's idea, eh? [19:43]
trinque criminals everywhere, man [19:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8RfOb ) [19:43]
mircea_popescu yet blockchain.org is different from daybitrade.com because... oh right, because meni rosenfeld doesn't own the wsj. that's all. [19:43]
kakobrekla it was bitdaytrade :) [19:44]
mircea_popescu ahaha win [19:44]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla a right. [19:44]
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kakobrekla the famous AA. [19:44]
mircea_popescu jurov next you run into me in game remind me to give you a coin for teh pervshot lol [19:45]
trinque dude this is rank bullshit [19:46]
trinque there's no way they were feeding the http status code into their thing as the random dada [19:46]
trinque *data [19:46]
kakobrekla intval($result) gets you that prolly [19:46]
trinque good god [19:46]
trinque it probably does [19:46]
trinque who knows, criminal either way [19:47]
trinque I find it hard to believe that these guys were doing http by opening a socket if they're lazy and stupid enough to use random.org [19:52]
trinque can't think of a http lib that doesn't give you the http request already parsed and parceled [19:53]
trinque *response [19:53]
jurov wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try [19:55]
BingoBoingo especially if phone camera picture is taken in memory palace [19:56]
jurov !b 2 [19:57]
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trinque jurov: pic ends up automatically uploaded to g+/fb/whatever [19:57]
trinque derpy user cries that the world is hard and where's his mother [19:57]
jurov no, barcode readers can use camera without pic being uploaded wherever [19:57]
trinque ah you're right [19:57]
BingoBoingo Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable. [19:58]
BingoBoingo It should really be a stretch to say memory palace's configuration has geometry. [19:59]
BingoBoingo In twatter news Costolo is out, Dorsey is back in [20:00]
BingoBoingo Can't make it easy to have the entire memory palace plucked out of the brian in one go [20:02]
jurov wait and how it depends on gemetry? [20:08]
jurov *geometry [20:08]
BingoBoingo jurov: Simple geometries are easy to read, this is why the weak and vulnerable make headgear out of tinfoil. To truly build a quality memory palace which resists attack one must channel their inner dank and vexual [20:10]
mircea_popescu who's costolo ? [20:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The current twatter CEO [20:10]
mircea_popescu aok [20:10]
BingoBoingo Dorsey was one of the founders who also did the Derpy Square thing [20:10]
jurov you mean by reading brainwaves? [20:10]
BingoBoingo jurov: Or however it is to be done. [20:11]
trinque >channel their inner dank and vexual [20:11]
mircea_popescu ya [20:11]
trinque lol [20:11]
kakobrekla even i dont get that and i have been here the longest [20:12]
BingoBoingo Before accessible crypto people kept their secrets by hiding them. [20:12]
BingoBoingo Of course this could just be yesterday's vodka I was too sleep to drink them talking [20:13]
BingoBoingo Also this exists http://bookofbrodin.wikia.com/wiki/Book_of_Brodin_Wiki [20:14]
assbot Book of Brodin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXVTb ) [20:14]
* mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch [20:15]
mircea_popescu because totally, nobody else read the same pulp he did. [20:15]
BingoBoingo The last thing a memory palace should resemble is literature of language [20:16]
trinque wtf is a memory palace [20:16]
trinque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci << ah [20:17]
assbot Method of loci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMTZhc ) [20:17]
shinohai [nsfw] http://40.media.tumblr.com/e519c4ed50ffa69050141ba100ee25cf/tumblr_njyh5jfQYw1ssvqz2o2_540.jpg [20:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMUbgt ) [20:18]
trinque http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/11/military-leaders-debate-US-escalation-in-Iraq.html << empire's headed back to die there, I guess [20:19]
assbot Military leaders debate US escalation in Iraq | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwYvjO ) [20:19]
BingoBoingo trinque: Because the first and second times were not enough [20:19]
trinque BingoBoingo: we'll unite the middle east (against us) yet [20:20]
BingoBoingo I dunno, if hitler couldn't unite all of Isaac's brothers I doubt Obola can unite all of Esau's [20:21]
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scoopbot_revived Butterfield 8 http://trilema.com/2015/butterfield-8/ [20:27]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161586 >>>>>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159373 [21:18]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 23:11:47; *: mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch [21:18]
assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 17:01:22; ascii_field: tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender [21:18]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161557 << if you're doing safety-critical crypto on a pNohe, you've already lost [21:21]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 22:52:09; jurov: wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try [21:21]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161565 << this is probably when i confess that i remember things without doing any of that [21:24]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 22:55:03; BingoBoingo: Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable. [21:24]
asciilifeform so it's possible! [21:24]
asciilifeform but good method for stretching your limits, wherever they happen to be [21:24]
asciilifeform (read about famous 'mnemonists.' they all used some variation on this algo.) [21:24]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But what about for things you would rather not be able to remember under duress? [21:25]
asciilifeform but, as ought to be clear, if your 'memory palace' is not a palace but a kolhoz full of 1,001 schmucks, don't brainwallet... [21:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cyanide [21:25]
BingoBoingo Nah, cyanide means that if you make it through you can't see them burn [21:26]
asciilifeform (or the precious last bullet (tm) ) [21:26]
asciilifeform 'the precious last bullet, it's not my invention; the ancestors teach us, with centuries of war...' (from ru song re: afghan. translation mine.) [21:27]
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BingoBoingo I mean, what's the point of smoking cigarettes if not to transform into an unstopable ragemonster when derprived of nicotine and the beautiful monoamine oxidase inhibitors in tobacco? [21:34]
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mike_c this eulorum wiki is slow as shit. who the hell is running this thing. [22:11]
mike_c Eulora travelers, here's a map: http://www.eulorum.org/Map [22:24]
assbot Map - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxeQ84 ) [22:24]
mike_c Dozens upon dozens of cartographers died to make it.. [22:24]
mircea_popescu mike_c ahaha [22:25]
mircea_popescu wait. [22:25]
mircea_popescu didn't YOU host it ? [22:25]
mike_c yes [22:25]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:25]
mircea_popescu got me. [22:25]
ben_vulpes so help me out here [22:25]
ben_vulpes http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html [22:26]
assbot Classic 1982 Corvette ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hxf13c ) [22:26]
assbot 1989 Corvette ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hxf2UN ) [22:26]
ben_vulpes clean title, correct vintage, but automatic VS rebuilt title, not really the perfect vintage, and manual [22:26]
mircea_popescu you buying a car ? [22:27]
ben_vulpes more like a fashion accessory [22:27]
ben_vulpes but maybe [22:28]
mircea_popescu "President Barack Obama’s plan to send an additional 450 to 500 soldiers" [22:29]
mircea_popescu bwahahahaa [22:29]
mircea_popescu what is this, a bar mitzvah ? [22:29]
ben_vulpes no they're /thooper/ tholdierth [22:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.197718 = 2.9658 BTC [-] [22:31]
mircea_popescu from the country of africa ? [22:31]
mircea_popescu funny how the libertards were all over nucular but don't seem to hardly notice at all their special needs law professor has no fucking idea which side the sun comes out. [22:32]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Clean title and vintage [22:34]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: suggesting i hold out, then? [22:34]
ben_vulpes ah nm [22:34]
BingoBoingo Just have to swap in a tranny of correct vintage [22:34]
ben_vulpes but what about the tranny? [22:34]
BingoBoingo But... That might cost more than the car's $6000 unless you wait for one to miracle onto criagslist [22:35]
mircea_popescu actually automatic's probably in much better condition [22:36]
mircea_popescu seeing how no hothead wouldever buy it [22:36]
BingoBoingo ^ [22:36]
ben_vulpes such wisdom [22:37]
BingoBoingo Also sporty car with a sporty automatic tranny isn't bad. [22:37]
BingoBoingo Especially if you ever encounter the dreaded gauntlet of red lights in it [22:37]
ben_vulpes i have all the light sequences in this town timed by memory [22:38]
BingoBoingo Also less wear items in the auto tranny [22:38]
BingoBoingo All it takes is one intern to fuck up you lights and they will never go back [22:38]
BingoBoingo [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.0052001 = 0.0416 BTC [-] << Incredilol [22:38]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes is into vintage cars ?! [22:42]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true [22:43]
asciilifeform betcha the inside is rusted solid [22:43]
ben_vulpes pessimist [22:44]
asciilifeform 'don't buy a car which costs less than your computer' (tm) [22:44]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true << Not really probably just accumulated defered maintenance to take it up to market value is much [22:44]
ben_vulpes it's not really a rare model, guise [22:44]
BingoBoingo The 60's one prolly still has nylon belted tyres [22:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was "Don't buy a computer that costs less than your woman" [22:45]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe' [22:45]
asciilifeform only ever seen one. [22:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: How much do you want to drive one. There's a few around this region. [22:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not enough [22:45]
* BingoBoingo holds as rare dreamcar pontiac fiero [22:46]
asciilifeform odd, 'google images' does not find the bizarre digital led (1980s!) dashboard the specimen he was shown as a boy had [22:46]
asciilifeform http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/156563/original/p1010008.jpg << ahahaha there it is. [22:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOY6fJ ) [22:47]
asciilifeform it's like driving a 'pc xt' ! [22:47]
asciilifeform with cga. [22:47]
BingoBoingo lol [22:47]
asciilifeform http://i56.tinypic.com/mj04uc.jpg [22:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOYcEf ) [22:47]
asciilifeform (similar) [22:47]
BingoBoingo Every uncool yet drivable used car tends to find its way to the Middle West for Hospice care [22:48]
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* BingoBoingo remembers his first car, The Grand Am of Justice which in his last year of ownership he discovered was Hurricane Katrina salvage [22:50]
trinque heh I almost got a ford probe as my first car [22:50]
asciilifeform aaaand... [22:50]
asciilifeform in other news, [22:50]
asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F523CFD93D4A4AE7AA6C0810A210AC7C430DA2C10D53713F23DC09B4B9124A1 [22:50]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxipuU ) [22:51]
BingoBoingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe#Remaining_registered_1993.E2.80.931997_Probes_on_the_road_as_of_July_2011 [22:51]
assbot Ford Probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxipLr ) [22:51]
trinque https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1435/5149860522_aa3e8b03f2_o.jpg << got that guy instead [22:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hxisaj ) [22:51]
* asciilifeform gotta do something about schmucks hitting 'retest key' and 'unphuctoring' (temporarily) [22:51]
trinque asciilifeform: is that a second pirate party key? [22:51]
asciilifeform appears to be [22:51]
trinque fascinating. [22:51]
* BingoBoingo though the Matt guy was showing up quite a bit [22:51]
asciilifeform there is a great many of them in 'magic 98' list [22:52]
asciilifeform 100% of which will eventually appear in http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored [22:52]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxiBdD ) [22:52]
BingoBoingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe#Remaining_registered_1993.E2.80.931997_Probes_on_the_road_as_of_July_2011 << Oh, there's prolly more Probes left than Pogos [22:52]
assbot Ford Probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxiBuf ) [22:52]
* asciilifeform wouldn't actually want to putter around in this museum piece daily [22:53]
* asciilifeform is not currently equipped for serious engine work [22:53]
BingoBoingo Museum pieces make the best daily drivers, and Probe was engineered by 80's Japs so prolly durable [22:54]
* BingoBoingo says as the guy who stops his Saturn at gas stations to make sure the plastic is still attached [22:56]
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trinque I've taken to calling my check-engine light the "Is it a Volkswagen?" light [22:59]
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BingoBoingo trinque: I actually have very few problems with that [23:06]
BingoBoingo I actually have far more problems with the exterior of the car not wanting to stay together than anything mechanically wrong [23:09]
trinque car's just complaining; it runs fine [23:11]
trinque has something to do with emissions I think [23:11]
BingoBoingo Yeah [23:11]
BingoBoingo Thank the one who cuckolds clitler for that [23:12]
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trinque http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c114:1:./temp/~c114oLaeR2:e873358: << heh DoD heard me rambling about the weapons being "turned inward" [23:31]
assbot Bill Text - 114th Congress - THOMAS (Library of Congress) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJ7XBI ) [23:31]
trinque IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Defense shall complete an evaluation of the cyber vulnerabilities of each major weapon system of the Department of Defense by not later than December 31, 2019. [23:31]
trinque and ftr I'm still not convinced they're all safe [23:32]
asciilifeform what's 'safe' ? [23:32]
trinque I'm sure the Iranians thought their centrifuges were totally disconnected from the internet and therefore safe too [23:32]
trinque asciilifeform: "can the nukes be haxed" thread [23:33]
asciilifeform trinque: recall maj. harold l. hering ? [23:35]
asciilifeform http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here. [23:36]
assbot Nuclear weapons: How Cold War major Harold Hering asked a forbidden question that cost him his career. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJ8iEw ) [23:36]
trinque no, reading [23:36]
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trinque thought it might've been some of the more recently let-go members of the nuke command [23:36]
trinque *one [23:36]
asciilifeform nah [23:36]
asciilifeform long ago. [23:36]
asciilifeform was sacked from u.s. air force for asking 'how can i know whether order to launch is coming from a sane man' [23:37]
trinque "had become a long-haul trucker" << brutal [23:37]
trinque does not surprise me that people were worried about orders from nixon, lol! [23:40]
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trinque asciilifeform: right so this whole "launch codes" thing is communication to the... lol... "missileer" [23:45]
trinque was talking with ben_vulpes yesterday about how this is likely a matter of vulnerability to attacks against the communications of mil, not necessarily the hardware [23:46]
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