Forum logs for 12 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform trinque: see also, possibly relevant, my old article re: prehistoric crypto in usg: [00:06]
assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( ) [00:06]
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punkman [11:08]
assbot TTIP: what exactly is the ISDS mechanism for resolving investor disputes? ... ( ) [11:08]
mircea_popescu an exercise in spurious stupidity ? [11:09]
punkman oh wrong link, meant to post this [11:09]
assbot European Parliament TTIP vote cancelled ‘because of huge public pressure’ : EU Reporter ... ( ) [11:09]
funkenstein_ <-- more like it saved his career, imho [11:10]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 02:32:16; asciilifeform: << as described here. [11:10]
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funkenstein_ and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector: "Israeli military ethicist" [11:12]
mircea_popescu what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ? [11:12]
funkenstein_ israeli military [11:13]
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funkenstein_ heck military ethicist is bad enough [11:14]
mircea_popescu i don't see it. [11:15]
* funkenstein_ seeks for sexual analogy [11:15]
mircea_popescu you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ? [11:17]
funkenstein_ How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group [11:17]
mircea_popescu how about what ? [11:17]
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funkenstein_ How about top quadraplegic jugglers? [11:18]
mircea_popescu you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either. [11:18]
mircea_popescu how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club" [11:19]
funkenstein_ How about, bitcoin-assets windows ssl expert? [11:19]
mircea_popescu if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms. [11:19]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure we have one [11:19]
mircea_popescu what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ? [11:20]
funkenstein_ none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up [11:20]
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funkenstein_ none [11:21]
funkenstein_ depends on the context [11:21]
mircea_popescu so then.... [11:21]
mircea_popescu guy's job would be to context. [11:21]
funkenstein_ but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds [11:21]
mircea_popescu whose ethics ? [11:21]
funkenstein_ any [11:22]
mircea_popescu there's no such thing as "ethics". [11:22]
funkenstein_ follow orders, don't think [11:22]
mircea_popescu regarded by whom ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ? [11:22]
funkenstein_ actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion [11:22]
funkenstein_ regarded by themselves, for example [11:22]
mircea_popescu next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry. [11:23]
mircea_popescu wtf is this, socialism ? [11:23]
mircea_popescu if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls. [11:23]
funkenstein_ it made me lol because, hey, pick a side [11:24]
mircea_popescu but as it is, it impedes function. [11:24]
mircea_popescu and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality [11:24]
mircea_popescu the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended. [11:24]
funkenstein_ if you want merciless military, then go for it. but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group" [11:25]
mircea_popescu that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying. [11:25]
mircea_popescu lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics. [11:25]
mircea_popescu in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics. [11:26]
mircea_popescu if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ? [11:26]
funkenstein_ so Ethiks.. from the greek? [11:27]
mircea_popescu i imagine in this case from the hebrew. [11:27]
mats via /. [11:28]
assbot Microrobotic tentacles with spiral bending capability based on shape-engineered elastomeric microtubes : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group ... ( ) [11:28]
mircea_popescu moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing. [11:28]
asciilifeform there is also merciless sparing [11:29]
mircea_popescu so there is. [11:29]
mircea_popescu "VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender' [11:29]
mircea_popescu Invocation of method 'getSubjectsByDOI' in class npg.ncode.velocity.toolbox.OntologyTool threw exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded at /view/macros/global.macros.vm[line 1082, column 68] [11:29]
mircea_popescu java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded" [11:29]
mircea_popescu aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4 [11:29]
asciilifeform l0ltr0n1c! what was mircea_popescu running ? [11:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly enough, mats link [11:29]
mircea_popescu b-a slashdotted [11:29]
mats oh nature [11:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform VELOCITYVIEW mind you!!1 [11:30]
asciilifeform << how does that work ? [11:30]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality [11:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone. [11:30]
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asciilifeform this sorta describes the condition one tries to beat soldiers into [11:31]
mircea_popescu mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males. [11:31]
mircea_popescu the beating is so they stop lying about it. [11:31]
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mircea_popescu chiefly, to themselves. [11:31]
mircea_popescu that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???" [11:32]
mircea_popescu "i should be doing the beating" [11:32]
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mircea_popescu before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters [11:33]
mircea_popescu usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11" [11:33]
asciilifeform << l0l of the day! >> [11:34]
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mircea_popescu POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor [11:34]
funkenstein_ just because one has been beaten does not mean one is "someone" [11:35]
mircea_popescu orly ?! [11:35]
mircea_popescu "You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes." [11:35]
mircea_popescu ok these are retards. [11:35]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?! [11:35]
funkenstein_ i agree we all seek intelligent masters... [11:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you were to learn that they dress the programmers in evening coats instead, would not also say 'retards' ? [11:36]
funkenstein_ but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one [11:36]
mircea_popescu so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ? [11:36]
funkenstein_ idf please [11:37]
funkenstein_ jdf wtf??? [11:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards. [11:37]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ aok [11:37]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it. [11:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understood, the robes were mentioned because 'see how unique is our directorate, we let the kidz dress in rags if they wish' [11:37]
mircea_popescu dja know how you train bulldogs ? [11:37]
funkenstein_ hey, I'm here for a reason :) [11:37]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine. [11:38]
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nubbins` so here's a lame article [11:38]
nubbins` [11:38]
assbot When Fandom Goes Wrong: The Dark Tale of the 'Final Fantasy VII' House | VICE | United States ... ( ) [11:38]
mircea_popescu ("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc) [11:38]
nubbins` tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy [11:38]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better. [11:39]
nubbins` feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content [11:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've no idea why they did it beyond the obvious fact that the type of public employed there traditionally dresses in rags [11:39]
mircea_popescu there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating. [11:39]
nubbins` then, for the adult version of the same story, check this one out: [11:39]
assbot Paxton's version: police interview transcript - Calgary - CBC News ... ( ) [11:39]
nubbins` asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message? [11:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so why even link vice then ? [11:39]
mircea_popescu this hot topic of the internet. [11:39]
asciilifeform nubbins`: yes. we have those here. boring, sop. [11:39]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser [11:40]
nubbins` *case [11:40]
nubbins` very long transcript but filled with actual crazy. [11:40]
mircea_popescu a ok [11:40]
nubbins` the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred. [11:41]
nubbins` really strange [11:41]
nubbins` there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels [11:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ? [11:42]
mircea_popescu of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud. [11:42]
nubbins` hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out [11:44]
nubbins` it's a 233 page interview [11:44]
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mircea_popescu not a great sign [11:44]
asciilifeform nubbins`: the photos in the vice article look exactly like the ones i described in old thread - [11:44]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year [11:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ? [11:45]
nubbins` mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not? [11:45]
mircea_popescu suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude [11:45]
mircea_popescu this is an established fact now ? [11:45]
nubbins` guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing [11:45]
mircea_popescu ok... [11:46]
nubbins` covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered [11:46]
nubbins` brain damage [11:46]
nubbins` etc [11:46]
mircea_popescu and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ? [11:46]
nubbins` cook roomie is gone :D [11:46]
mircea_popescu or do you believe you're in any case responsible ? [11:46]
mircea_popescu heh. i see, good for you. [11:46]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i dare to suggest that the vice article is a work of fiction. and that the illustrations are of the author's own dwelling. [11:47]
mircea_popescu this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites. [11:47]
mircea_popescu the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence [11:48]
asciilifeform this one has the stereotypical smell of just such a work. [11:48]
mircea_popescu on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop [11:48]
asciilifeform the 'corners are rounded', so to speak. [11:48]
mircea_popescu aha. [11:48]
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nubbins` asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that [11:49]
nubbins` "look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed" [11:49]
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nubbins` ^ check last 2 photos in order [11:49]
mircea_popescu aha the det crippen guy knows his job [11:50]
mircea_popescu i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man. [11:50]
mircea_popescu now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat. [11:51]
danielpbarron [11:51]
assbot Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube ... ( ) [11:51]
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assbot Dustin Paxton's victim says brain damage kept him from fleeing - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News ... ( ) [11:52]
nubbins` googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them [11:52]
mircea_popescu oh, we're squamish now / [11:53]
nubbins` fuck it then [11:53]
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nubbins` click away :P [11:53]
mircea_popescu << lol they look just like ordinary internet ppls. [11:54]
assbot Dustin Paxton (the torturer) and Calgary's Jessica Rogers (the liar) now a coupl ... ( ) [11:54]
mircea_popescu maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something [11:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, this gave me a chuckle : [11:57]
mircea_popescu “I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe,” she said. [11:57]
mircea_popescu “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.” [11:57]
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mircea_popescu strange case of inversion from [11:58]
mircea_popescu William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law! [11:58]
mircea_popescu Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? [11:58]
mircea_popescu William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that! [11:58]
mircea_popescu Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe [11:58]
mircea_popescu ty's sake! [11:58]
nubbins` last one [11:58]
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mircea_popescu ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ? [11:58]
nubbins` related: [12:00]
assbot Gangsters Out Blog: Hells Angel murder witness badly tortured ... ( ) [12:00]
mircea_popescu is there a bdsm angle to all of this ? [12:01]
mircea_popescu bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ? [12:01]
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nubbins` i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it [12:04]
nubbins` dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc [12:04]
nubbins` is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D [12:04]
mircea_popescu by whom ? [12:04]
mircea_popescu by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean. [12:06]
nubbins` i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people [12:08]
mircea_popescu i wonder why they're not chasing the bdsm angle. [12:08]
mircea_popescu you'd expect it from the press neh ? [12:08]
mircea_popescu is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ? [12:09]
nubbins` ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama [12:09]
nubbins` it's crazy enough as it is [12:09]
mircea_popescu itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above. [12:10]
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assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.” [12:10]
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nubbins` there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code [12:11]
nubbins` as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state [12:12]
mircea_popescu << [12:12]
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mircea_popescu brennus and his part of ... booty :D [12:12]
shinohai O.o [12:12]
assbot Customs officials at Mumbai airport seize gold worth Rs 1.99 cr from aircraft toilets | The Indian Express ... ( ) [12:12]
nubbins` 250kg gold since january :0 [12:13]
nubbins` what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D [12:14]
mircea_popescu lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff. [12:15]
shinohai Someone may have literally shit gold bricks. [12:15]
mircea_popescu but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did. [12:15]
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scoopbot_revived Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. [12:23]
kakobrekla hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115. [12:25]
thestringpuller nubbins`: you get my pm? [12:26]
mircea_popescu i'd bet on that... [12:26]
thestringpuller so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap." [12:28]
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pete_dushenski kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered. [12:30]
pete_dushenski or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake [12:31]
pete_dushenski and by 'the kids' i mean the lordship [12:31]
pete_dushenski in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week [12:32]
pete_dushenski after david thorne, naturally [12:32]
pete_dushenski << true story, i had the mazda version of the same car [12:33]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe' [12:33]
pete_dushenski ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it [12:34]
pete_dushenski many parts were shared to save costs [12:34]
pete_dushenski the digital dashboard included [12:34]
pete_dushenski my 1988 mazda mx-6 *had the digital dashboard* [12:34]
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pete_dushenski << as seen here [12:36]
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pete_dushenski << '82 all day. i loved the lines of that car as a kid. [12:37]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 01:22:27; ben_vulpes: vs [12:37]
pete_dushenski mebbe a 5-6 year old [12:37]
pete_dushenski 9-10 year-old me wanted a jeep tj for some reason [12:37]
pete_dushenski then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university [12:38]
pete_dushenski after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly [12:38]
nubbins` thestringpuller yep, got it [12:41]
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nubbins` is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen? [12:42]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: also, those vettes are a steal compared to the ones here << "from washington state" [12:42]
assbot Corvette Collectors Edition | classic cars | Strathcona County | Kijiji ... ( ) [12:42]
pete_dushenski that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here [12:44]
thestringpuller nubbins`: depends on the cost. [12:47]
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funkenstein_ those are some nice wheelchairs [12:50]
jurov such bull [12:51]
assbot Don't listen to Edward Snowden's supporters – his leaks have been a gift to terrorists - Comment - Voices - The Independent [12:51]
pete_dushenski "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology." [13:02]
pete_dushenski more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. " [13:02]
pete_dushenski sorry, "new techmologee" [13:02]
pete_dushenski "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter." [13:03]
pete_dushenski haha excellent. [13:03]
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assbot Space travel isn’t for you. There are no virgins there either. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [13:18]
pete_dushenski aaaand i'm off to meatlandia ! laters ! [13:21]
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nubbins` thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no [13:26]
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jurov howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa? [14:30]
fluffypony lol [14:31]
fluffypony nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;) [14:31]
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jurov << leaving this here for danielpbarron [14:32]
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* ascii_field listened, out of entomological interest, to a recording of interview with hearn. yes, him. among the expected idiocies, hearn confessed to an interest in 'remote attestation' and 'trusted computing' as 'promising' alternatives to normally functioning bitcoin... [14:33]
trinque jurov: I already see him in that thread [14:33]
ascii_field << see also. [14:33]
assbot Logged on 11-05-2015 18:32:09; ascii_field: << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat [14:33]
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ascii_field << 3/4 short of goal. [14:36]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter." [14:36]
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ascii_field << what even. [14:41]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 15:19:36; scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. [14:41]
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trinque 2115? :( [14:44]
trinque gimme the 2040s at the latest [14:44]
ascii_field that wasn't even the lulziest thing [14:45]
ascii_field but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes' [14:46]
ascii_field i assume pete meant this as a spoof [14:46]
jurov ascii_field you wanted laserguns? [14:46]
assbot Mad Scientist Builds A 40-Watt Laser Shotgun - Digg ... ( ) [14:46]
jurov ;;lasers [14:47]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [14:47]
trinque jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though [14:47]
ascii_field eh scam [14:47]
ascii_field diode array laser isn't additive ! [14:47]
trinque oh :( [14:47]
ascii_field (there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light) [14:47]
ben_vulpes client is using heroku [14:48]
ben_vulpes heroku does not persist state [14:48]
ben_vulpes users want to upload images [14:48]
ben_vulpes solution? [14:48]
trinque an hero-ku [14:48]
ben_vulpes an hero-kun! [14:48]
jurov ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not [14:49]
ascii_field jurov: i'd pick it over nagant [14:49]
jurov ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur? [14:49]
ben_vulpes mnah [14:50]
ben_vulpes i prefer to abuse mother postgres [14:50]
ben_vulpes loosen her up with these big old binaries [14:50]
trinque it'll totally work [14:50]
nubbins` ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams [14:51]
nubbins` that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire [14:52]
ascii_field nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ? [14:52]
nubbins` i could do better with a lens on a sunny day [14:52]
nubbins` ascii_field in general [14:52]
ascii_field nubbins`: not same as collimation. [14:52]
jurov he had fixed focus [14:53]
ascii_field it means that wave is in phase. [14:53]
ascii_field nothing whatsoever to do with focus [14:53]
ben_vulpes trinque: it *did* totally work [14:53]
nubbins` sure [14:54]
jurov might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus [14:54]
nubbins` i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8) [14:54]
ascii_field [14:54]
assbot WHAT IS COHERENCE? Lasers and coherent light ... ( ) [14:54]
ascii_field ^^^ mandatory [14:54]
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jurov ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice? [14:55]
jurov energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt [14:56]
jurov *either [14:56]
ascii_field jurov: yes. [14:56]
trinque matter of constructive or destructive interference right? [14:56]
ascii_field jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time [14:57]
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trinque hahaha [14:57]
jurov if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes? [14:58]
jurov *intereference [14:58]
ascii_field jurov: [14:59]
assbot Optics: Destructive interference - Where does the light go? - YouTube ... ( ) [14:59]
nubbins` same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool [14:59]
jurov okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo [15:01]
ascii_field jurov: seriously, easier ? [15:01]
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ascii_field jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also) [15:03]
jurov it makes noise [15:03]
ascii_field or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ? [15:03]
ascii_field from materials in any skip ? [15:03]
jurov nagant ==== arbalest now? [15:04]
ascii_field at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed) [15:04]
ascii_field << actual 40w laser. i have this (very common!) tube. [15:07]
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ascii_field ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these. [15:08]
jurov see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why [15:08]
ascii_field jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller [15:09]
mod6 im attempting to apply the gcc patch we discussed the other night: [15:09]
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ascii_field (serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe) [15:09]
mod6 gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare. [15:09]
ascii_field gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell [15:09]
jurov so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube. [15:10]
mod6 and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh. [15:10]
ascii_field i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo [15:10]
ascii_field (or bsd) [15:10]
nubbins` osx ;p [15:10]
* nubbins` cackles, weeps [15:11]
nubbins` so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning [15:11]
nubbins` let me find a pic [15:11]
mod6 trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out. [15:11]
mod6 you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt. [15:11]
ascii_field jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well. [15:11]
nubbins` [15:12]
ascii_field jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay' [15:12]
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ascii_field aim like garden hose. [15:12]
nubbins` *brand* new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet. [15:12]
mod6 UGH [15:15]
jurov mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one [15:16]
mod6 i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks. [15:17]
shinohai I havent picked up gentoo yet :/ [15:17]
mod6 im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd [15:20]
mod6 after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable. [15:21]
nubbins` there was some discussion on this [15:22]
nubbins` iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded. [15:22]
jurov O.o how unuseable? [15:22]
nubbins` gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf [15:22]
mod6 it's unuseable. [15:22]
nubbins` mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo [15:23]
nubbins` and buildroot as well [15:23]
mod6 i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain. [15:23]
nubbins` there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas [15:23]
nubbins` it just doesn't exist [15:23]
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jurov maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions [15:24]
nubbins` ^ [15:24]
mod6 naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing. [15:24]
mod6 and it sucks. [15:25]
nubbins` mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics [15:25]
jurov i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics [15:25]
nubbins` this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good [15:25]
nubbins` is it too salty or is there poop in it? [15:25]
shinohai evening assets [nsfw for some] [15:27]
assbot ... ( ) [15:27]
nubbins` not sure why you shared that, but hi [15:27]
ben_vulpes in what world is that nsfw? [15:28]
mod6 what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time. everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking. [15:28]
nubbins` the old world [15:28]
nubbins` mod6 an example, please [15:28]
nubbins` what can you not do [15:28]
mod6 umm. everything. [15:28]
nubbins` HELP US HELP YOU [15:28]
nubbins` you can't get a bash prompt? [15:29]
jurov mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it [15:29]
nubbins` can't get online? [15:29]
nubbins` wat [15:29]
jurov and yes, what is *the* problem? [15:29]
shinohai << [15:29]
assbot - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( ) [15:29]
mod6 <+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot. when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we were [15:31]
mod6 could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier. [15:31]
mod6 but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch. even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it? [15:32]
ascii_field << gentoo is not an evening thing. it is a lifetime commitment. [15:32]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain. [15:32]
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mod6 luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this. [15:33]
mod6 but... *shrug*. w/e. [15:33]
ascii_field and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~ [15:33]
jurov end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system [15:33]
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jurov what head banging there? [15:34]
jurov grub can be problematic in any distro [15:34]
ascii_field << poor schmuck, he oughta ask his handler at ft meade for more boxes [15:35]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:25:57; shinohai: << [15:35]
kakobrekla you dont need more boxes [15:44]
ascii_field mr hearnia does [15:44]
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trinque their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size [15:48]
trinque clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress! [15:49]
trinque "DNS seed changes: is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL [15:49]
fluffypony [19:59:12] I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake" [15:49]
fluffypony mary [15:49]
fluffypony MARY [15:49]
fluffypony omg nubbins` [15:50]
fluffypony Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands [15:50]
ascii_field l0ltr0n1c [15:50]
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ascii_field punkman: 'need to' aha [16:33]
ascii_field l0l [16:33]
mircea_popescu herpitty-derp. [16:33]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc .95 * 1 + 2 - 2.8 [16:36]
gribble 0.15 [16:36]
mircea_popescu seems the red line's way off. [16:36]
mircea_popescu ah actually mebbe not. [16:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ? [16:37]
punkman one of them at least [16:37]
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mircea_popescu right. [16:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, << prolly worth yet another read [16:38]
assbot bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( ) [16:38]
mircea_popescu there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin [16:38]
punkman in other news,+AiryHair,+Ditches+Cash+For+Cryptocurrency+With+A+Rap+Video/10644510.html [16:39]
assbot Bitcoin Gets Second Wind As World's First Hair Wholesaler, AiryHair, Ditches Cash For Cryptocurrency With A Rap Video ... ( ) [16:39]
mircea_popescu also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining [16:40]
mircea_popescu punkman second wind eh ?mmmkay. [16:40]
ascii_field << just say when. [16:40]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin [16:40]
mircea_popescu << lotta those ? [16:41]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen? [16:41]
nubbins` there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere [16:51]
mircea_popescu ahaha what was that all about ? [16:51]
ascii_field in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support. [16:51]
ascii_field every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - [16:51]
mircea_popescu << poor gavin, everyone wants a piece of his ass now. the sad fate of the internet lolcow. [16:51]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:47; jurov: << leaving this here for danielpbarron [16:51]
nubbins` mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D [16:52]
mircea_popescu ascii_field that's not SO retarded. [16:52]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom. [16:52]
ascii_field 4k actually [16:52]
ascii_field (in that photo) [16:52]
mircea_popescu but you keeping the pinboard around neh ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu do it once have it forevar. [16:52]
ascii_field no because next time, different pinout [16:53]
ascii_field have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper... [16:53]
ascii_field rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip [16:53]
ascii_field (into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins [16:53]
ascii_field ) [16:53]
mircea_popescu << what happens if i wear tin foil ? [16:54]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not [16:54]
mircea_popescu ascii_field one for each pinout ? [16:54]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: one for each pin pitch [16:55]
mircea_popescu lol get a lever pinboard!!1 [16:55]
ascii_field (you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do) [16:55]
ascii_field nobody makes lever breadboards. [16:55]
mircea_popescu they should tho [16:56]
ascii_field << example of rom burner [16:56]
assbot ... ( ) [16:56]
ascii_field breadboards are also terrible re: distortion. [16:56]
mircea_popescu aha [16:57]
ascii_field the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo. [16:57]
jurov mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left... [16:57]
decimation yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance [16:57]
mircea_popescu << yes dude. the difference between cars going the same place and cars going at the same pace. [16:57]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice? [16:57]
mircea_popescu not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road" [16:58]
shinohai I need a logo: [16:59]
mircea_popescu << any boy that is allowed to be a photo-hipster can turn plain paper into nitrocellulose. that'll work better than butane. [17:00]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also) [17:00]
ascii_field ^ did this [17:00]
shinohai lol [17:00]
nubbins` you also need a font with a # character [17:00]
nubbins` and a white drop shadow [17:01]
nubbins` :P [17:01]
ascii_field but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage [17:01]
shinohai yes indeed. potato quality indeed. [17:01]
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mircea_popescu shinohai you're jewish ? [17:01]
shinohai i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense. [17:02]
mircea_popescu ascii_field [17:02]
shinohai but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme. [17:02]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: yes, we did this. [17:02]
ascii_field back in the free world. [17:03]
mircea_popescu aha [17:03]
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decimation < ascii lots of 'serious folks' use redhat for this reason [17:04]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo [17:04]
mircea_popescu dear god the guy in there's unsafe. [17:04]
mircea_popescu seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ? [17:04]
decimation as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target [17:04]
mircea_popescu wtf, who does this [17:04]
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trinque decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long [17:06]
scoopbot_revived Reddit Outrage Reveals Silicon Valley Censorship Agenda [17:06]
decimation trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years [17:06]
decimation it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything [17:06]
BingoBoingo Fuck [17:07]
ascii_field i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work [17:07]
trinque yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed [17:07]
decimation ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly [17:07]
mircea_popescu aww BingoBoingo why so short ? [17:07]
ascii_field aha [17:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin [17:07]
mircea_popescu aok [17:07]
decimation so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software" [17:07]
ascii_field aha [17:08]
mircea_popescu you know, trilema has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons [17:08]
ascii_field anything else is a sewage pit [17:08]
BingoBoingo << In other news two non-suck traffic days in a row [17:08]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [17:08]
decimation I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation [17:08]
trinque also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd [17:08]
decimation I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck [17:09]
decimation and redhat is going 'full vm' [17:09]
trinque decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something? [17:11]
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decimation well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts [17:11]
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decimation that and j2ee bullshit [17:11]
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decimation their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent [17:12]
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ascii_field there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end [17:15]
ascii_field << even in '02 this was obvious [17:15]
decimation ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then? [17:15]
ascii_field decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters [17:16]
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ascii_field also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software [17:16]
ascii_field on pc end [17:16]
decimation yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations [17:16]
ascii_field << even under winblows, they suck [17:17]
ascii_field (what -doesn't- suck there ?) [17:17]
decimation it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts [17:17]
decimation apparently the 'demand' doesn't exist [17:17]
decimation or if it does, it has been quashed [17:17]
decimation "who needs to fix their own chips?" [17:18]
ascii_field 'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread) [17:18]
mircea_popescu << why ? is this some new jurov rule ? [17:19]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one [17:19]
decimation ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching [17:20]
jurov you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive? [17:20]
mircea_popescu death. [17:20]
ascii_field !b 2 [17:20]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [17:20]
trinque bwahaha [17:20]
ascii_field decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST [17:20]
mircea_popescu do i get a prize ? [17:20]
ascii_field this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc [17:21]
jurov mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. [17:21]
mircea_popescu well... kill someone, at any rate. [17:21]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper, [17:22]
decimation ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers [17:23]
mircea_popescu in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs" [17:23]
decimation he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail [17:23]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP [17:23]
ascii_field and so we don't. [17:23]
decimation to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore [17:23]
ascii_field (yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~) [17:24]
mircea_popescu soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs. [17:24]
decimation ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX? [17:24]
ascii_field decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed ! [17:24]
decimation then you might get to write some IEEE-488 [17:24]
decimation no usually not [17:24]
ascii_field i need them at channel speed. [17:24]
decimation they have a shitty gpib [17:24]
decimation these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you [17:25]
ascii_field why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ? [17:25]
decimation so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers [17:25]
ascii_field if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s [17:25]
decimation this is a problem with test equipment in general [17:25]
decimation very few support streaming data at reasonable rates [17:26]
ascii_field decimation: chip makers willing to use xp [17:26]
decimation absolutely they are [17:26]
decimation because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip [17:26]
decimation don't give a fuck what indian thinks [17:26]
decimation ascii_field: what about this: [17:27]
assbot The Logic Analyzer with Analog - Saleae ... ( ) [17:27]
ascii_field decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER [17:27]
decimation heh yeah it is slow [17:27]
decimation what you expect for usb 2 [17:27]
ascii_field so solves NEITHER [17:27]
ascii_field may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with [17:28]
decimation the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap [17:28]
ascii_field aha already got one of those [17:28]
trinque << 14mil employees' data affected up from 4mil [17:28]
ascii_field utter garbage [17:28]
assbot White house: cannot confirm reports 14 million affected by hack [17:28]
trinque hilarious [17:28]
trinque "cannot confirm" [17:28]
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trinque I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there. [17:29]
decimation ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows? [17:29]
decimation I don't think that exists [17:29]
decimation what frequency do you need? [17:30]
ascii_field decimation: 500MHz+ [17:30]
decimation streaming 500 megasamples/sec? [17:30]
ascii_field aha. [17:30]
decimation heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead [17:30]
ascii_field it'd fit on pci-e handily [17:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure. [17:31]
mircea_popescu i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around. [17:31]
ascii_field decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit [17:31]
decimation ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio' [17:31]
ascii_field decimation: yes it needs to go to dc [17:31]
ascii_field wtf else is a logic analyzer [17:31]
ascii_field if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that. [17:32]
ascii_field if 100MHz square wave - then it. [17:32]
ascii_field otherwise it's a turd [17:32]
decimation most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz [17:32]
ascii_field decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms [17:32]
ascii_field it wants carriers, fsk, etc [17:32]
ascii_field a radio is not an oscilloscope ! [17:32]
decimation sure is, if it goes down to DC [17:33]
punkman << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though [17:33]
assbot Logged on 01-02-2015 07:05:04; punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you [17:33]
decimation yeah it does do arbitrary waveforms [17:33]
mod6 <+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip. [17:33]
jurov not me, mircea [17:34]
ascii_field punkman: saw that, yes [17:34]
mircea_popescu o.O [17:34]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks. [17:34]
decimation ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz? [17:34]
mircea_popescu mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ? [17:34]
ascii_field decimation: where is the mention of linux there ? [17:34]
mircea_popescu << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil. [17:35]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain. [17:35]
decimation I think they might use winblows too [17:35]
decimation I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea [17:35]
ascii_field decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al [17:35]
mircea_popescu << why ? [17:35]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas [17:35]
trinque mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend [17:35]
decimation they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope [17:36]
ascii_field i see nothing 'different' about it [17:36]
ascii_field even has the asinine 'ask for quote' [17:36]
ascii_field so they can give usg own price, and you - another [17:36]
trinque it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head [17:36]
trinque the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking [17:36]
mircea_popescu trinque i recall that part... [17:36]
mod6 eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as to h [17:37]
decimation ascii_field: < supposedly some tektronix scopes run linux [17:37]
assbot Effective Bits: To run Windows or not to run Windows - All About Oscilloscope Operating Systems ... ( ) [17:37]
mircea_popescu mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases" [17:38]
decimation tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does [17:38]
mod6 that's fair. gentoo might be the right move. [17:38]
mircea_popescu fwiw de raadt isn't even in here. [17:38]
ascii_field decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link [17:38]
decimation yeah possibly not [17:38]
decimation that's probably a 'premium feature' [17:38]
ascii_field not for 100, not for 100,000 [17:38]
ascii_field not for $maxint. [17:39]
ascii_field motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes. [17:39]
ascii_field talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here. [17:39]
ascii_field and nobody wants to sell this. [17:39]
ascii_field for any amount. [17:39]
decimation well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface [17:40]
decimation then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer [17:40]
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ascii_field or will 'have problems' [17:40]
ascii_field and factory mysteriously burns [17:40]
mircea_popescu ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ? [17:41]
decimation actually it's not so much that [17:41]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i need it here and now. [17:41]
decimation I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too [17:42]
decimation so 'no export for you' [17:42]
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-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [17:42]
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ascii_field and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it. [17:42]
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ascii_field probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ? [17:42]
mircea_popescu yes [17:42]
ascii_field it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool. [17:43]
mircea_popescu figures. [17:43]
ascii_field (and, often, the muscles) [17:43]
ascii_field but must have ~both~ [17:43]
mircea_popescu looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche. [17:43]
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mircea_popescu this has been established. [17:43]
mircea_popescu i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website" [17:45]
ascii_field most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.' [17:46]
mircea_popescu besuckmycocke [17:46]
mircea_popescu mmmyeah [17:46]
decimation there is no 'bespoke' in electronics [17:46]
mircea_popescu ya think ? [17:46]
decimation everything is made en-mass in chip fabs [17:46]
decimation if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you [17:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ? [17:47]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro [17:48]
ascii_field the rng -must- be checked with scope [17:48]
ascii_field but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device [17:48]
mircea_popescu my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use. [17:48]
mircea_popescu we don't poll it 500mhz [17:48]
mircea_popescu not even close. [17:48]
ascii_field because nyquist [17:48]
mircea_popescu even so. [17:48]
ascii_field but in this story i was not speaking of cardano [17:48]
mircea_popescu there's a math approach to select good multiples. [17:48]
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mircea_popescu do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done. [17:49]
ascii_field one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus. [17:50]
ascii_field in pursuit of sanity. [17:50]
mircea_popescu yeah [17:51]
mircea_popescu in other news, [17:52]
assbot ... ( ) [17:52]
mod6 <+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. heheh. [17:55]
ascii_field mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff [17:56]
trinque ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig ?? [17:57]
mod6 well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then. [17:57]
trinque works for me every time [17:57]
ascii_field what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ [17:57]
ascii_field the man who built it, is also part of it [17:57]
ascii_field and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely [17:57]
ascii_field and compensated [17:57]
ascii_field but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days' [17:58]
ascii_field perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy [17:58]
decimation ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled [17:58]
ascii_field decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa [17:58]
ascii_field ought to be able to buy [17:58]
mod6 i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha [17:58]
decimation yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price [17:59]
ascii_field mod6: not gentoo. gentoo+hardware+man [17:59]
ascii_field ~system~ [17:59]
trinque ascii_field: [17:59]
assbot ... ( ) [17:59]
trinque that should at least clear the grub hurdle [17:59]
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trinque can fine-tune from there [17:59]
trinque it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind" [18:00]
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mod6 my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else? [18:00]
decimation ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself [18:01]
ascii_field decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself. [18:02]
decimation ascii_field: what about these [18:03]
assbot ... ( ) [18:03]
ascii_field decimation: very tediously, and at great expense. [18:03]
ascii_field decimation: where's the 100% open spec ? [18:03]
decimation heh good luck on that [18:04]
trinque mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? [18:04]
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mod6 so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess. [18:04]
ascii_field decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info [18:05]
decimation apparently it does have linux drivers [18:05]
decimation probably binary blobs [18:05]
ascii_field useless then. [18:05]
decimation it does meet your other specs though [18:05]
decimation and 'only' $11k [18:06]
mod6 <+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I. [18:06]
ascii_field and i don't need the adc for anything [18:06]
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mod6 i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I. [18:06]
trinque mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there [18:06]
mod6 ok. cool. I'll give it a try. [18:06]
ascii_field mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i. [18:06]
ascii_field this one's for human use [18:06]
ascii_field as i understand [18:07]
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trinque thing is partitioning's a very personal decision [18:07]
decimation wait I thought you wanted adc [18:07]
ascii_field decimation: nope [18:07]
ascii_field decimation: logic capture [18:07]
mod6 well, we started with Deb6 + packages. [18:07]
ascii_field between known-low and known-high [18:07]
decimation so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples? [18:07]
ascii_field aha [18:07]
decimation yeah do it yourself [18:07]
decimation this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has [18:08]
trinque mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple [18:08]
trinque that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure [18:08]
trinque complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on [18:08]
trinque livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image [18:09]
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mod6 trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64? [18:10]
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trinque you'd just make separate base images [18:11]
ascii_field mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart [18:11]
ascii_field e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason [18:11]
decimation why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? [18:12]
trinque anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done. [18:12]
ascii_field decimation: because they are no longer readily available ? [18:12]
mod6 <+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo? [18:12]
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ascii_field mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever [18:13]
decimation what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit? [18:13]
ascii_field problem is that x86 is not a platform ! [18:13]
decimation no, not really [18:13]
ascii_field some other fell has different vga - no go [18:13]
ascii_field etc [18:13]
decimation it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list [18:14]
mod6 are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I. [18:14]
trinque none of this applies to booting the thing [18:14]
trinque if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up. [18:14]
mod6 I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy. [18:15]
decimation mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot [18:15]
decimation but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware [18:15]
mod6 isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo? [18:15]
mircea_popescu mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~. [18:16]
ascii_field mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc. [18:16]
ascii_field buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer. [18:17]
ascii_field e.g. pogo or nintendo etc [18:17]
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mircea_popescu and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things. [18:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: you mean, killed faster ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu yeah. [18:18]
mircea_popescu killed faster more. [18:18]
ascii_field almost certainly [18:18]
ascii_field i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed. [18:19]
ascii_field but this does not appear to be happening. [18:19]
mircea_popescu eh, give it a decade [18:19]
mircea_popescu it's not even 2115 yet. [18:20]
* ascii_field does not expect to live for decade [18:20]
mircea_popescu the unmistakable mark of youth. [18:20]
BingoBoingo [18:20]
assbot Reddit Outrage Reveals Y Combinator Censorship Agenda | ... ( ) [18:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo url fix too [18:20]
BingoBoingo What url fix? [18:21]
* mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts. [18:21]
BingoBoingo Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way [18:21]
mircea_popescu ah ok [18:21]
mircea_popescu i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits. [18:21]
BingoBoingo Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo [18:22]
trinque I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see. [18:22]
* trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen [18:23]
jurov is 404 [18:23]
jurov trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot? [18:24]
trinque I refuse to accept that that's even a thing. [18:24]
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trinque you don't keep backup kernels around? [18:24]
* trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had [18:25]
mircea_popescu "Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate." [18:25]
mircea_popescu o.O [18:25]
mircea_popescu whoi the fuck would use imgur then! [18:25]
decimation "What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience." [18:25]
jurov i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt [18:25]
danielpbarron "harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo [18:25]
mircea_popescu copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ? [18:26]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: ty [18:26]
ascii_field decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do [18:26]
trinque jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that [18:26]
trinque config's only running commands against that [18:26]
ascii_field (it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun) [18:26]
decimation ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already [18:27]
mod6 trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times. if it was simple, we'd have resolved it. it's probably my dumb POS box. [18:27]
ascii_field decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams [18:27]
mircea_popescu << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? [18:27]
assbot ... ( ) [18:27]
cazalla <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road [18:27]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;) [18:27]
fluffypony nice [18:28]
fluffypony goddamn roos [18:28]
ascii_field e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter [18:28]
ascii_field << normal gurl [18:28]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field she's slightly overweight. [18:29]
BingoBoingo << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting [18:29]
assbot ... ( ) [18:29]
cazalla mircea_popescu, nice body but that face : [18:29]
mircea_popescu cazalla you and your faces. fuck the other end. [18:29]
trinque !b 3 [18:29]
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decimation ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us! [18:29]
mircea_popescu in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office [18:29]
mircea_popescu "doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body" [18:30]
trinque mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build [18:30]
cazalla mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah? [18:30]
mircea_popescu decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship [18:30]
mircea_popescu as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate. [18:31]
mircea_popescu cazalla well you can but you dun have to [18:31]
cazalla if you can, you must! [18:31]
mircea_popescu hehehe [18:31]
decimation agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial [18:31]
mircea_popescu trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious. [18:31]
mircea_popescu i am all for this. [18:31]
trinque yep [18:31]
mircea_popescu Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman. [18:33]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [18:33]
decimation trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7 [18:33]
decimation has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86 [18:33]
trinque yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either [18:34]
mircea_popescu win. [18:35]
assbot ... ( ) [18:35]
ascii_field << if i can see ribs -> not exciting. [18:35]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight. [18:35]
ascii_field but 'different folks, different strokes' [18:35]
trinque decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases [18:35]
ascii_field << where to get 'standard hardware' ? [18:36]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build [18:36]
ascii_field i know of no such thing [18:36]
trinque bah [18:36]
trinque trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either [18:36]
decimation trinque: they are quiet [18:36]
ascii_field << false. 100% of amd boxes [18:37]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86 [18:37]
trinque ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo [18:37]
trinque *might be beneficial [18:37]
trinque if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol [18:37]
* trinque goes to find a plow [18:38]
ascii_field << i've been using these for various x86y things [18:38]
assbot PC Engines apu system boards ... ( ) [18:38]
ascii_field entirely linuxable [18:38]
ascii_field (incl. bios) [18:38]
ascii_field doesn't even come with a 'civilian' bios [18:38]
ascii_field but - it has no vga. [18:39]
ascii_field nor is there any obvious means to add one [18:39]
trinque not so bad to be headless [18:39]
ascii_field (i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.) [18:39]
ascii_field you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist. [18:39]
ascii_field (most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.) [18:40]
trinque heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up [18:40]
decimation yeah absolutely [18:40]
decimation or use another computer for terminal [18:41]
ascii_field has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay [18:41]
ascii_field (this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS) [18:42]
trinque $127 or $150 for 4gb ram [18:42]
jurov will it run eulora? [18:42]
trinque doubtful [18:42]
decimation heh [18:42]
ascii_field jurov: probably not. no 3d card [18:42]
ascii_field srsly [18:42]
decimation good luck getting winblow to boot [18:42]
trinque but what's the goal [18:43]
trinque I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that [18:43]
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mats [18:43]
assbot Green Day - Dominated Love Slave + lyrics - YouTube ... ( ) [18:43]
trinque your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it [18:43]
trinque !up ascii_field [18:43]
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ascii_field decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em! [18:43]
ascii_field finds the onboard vga (with no output) even. [18:43]
ascii_field ('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must) [18:44]
ascii_field in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good. [18:45]
decimation heh amusing [18:45]
ascii_field (that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them) [18:45]
ascii_field even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback [18:45]
mircea_popescu all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?! [18:46]
mircea_popescu wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm [18:46]
mircea_popescu there's nothing better than beingpriviledged. [18:46]
decimation ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom? [18:46]
mats fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR. [18:46]
ascii_field decimation: all of mine, do [18:46]
ascii_field you can stuff generic kernel in there [18:46]
trinque mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit" [18:47]
decimation mats: it would be noisy as hell [18:47]
trinque to them [18:47]
ascii_field mats: ancient history. music over vga [18:47]
* mircea_popescu shrugs. [18:47]
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decimation wow even can order metal case [18:48]
ascii_field mats: << can even transmit digital tv ! [18:48]
assbot Analog and Digital TV (DVB-T) Signal Generation ... ( ) [18:48]
ascii_field with normal vga card. [18:48]
ascii_field << the classic one [18:49]
mats i've not seen that before [18:49]
assbot ... ( ) [18:49]
ascii_field ^ plays music [18:49]
trinque << looks great [18:50]
assbot PC Engines case1c2u product file ... ( ) [18:50]
ascii_field aha, i have this. [18:50]
ascii_field rock-solid box [18:50]
decimation [18:51]
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assbot Labor Dept. plans H-1B probe -- one that could have an impact | Computerworld ... ( ) [18:51]
mircea_popescu << it gets better. i have reports of an assortment of cards, including uber popular stuff like nvidia 520 series, getting 2-3 fps on eulora. [18:51]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it run eulora? [18:51]
mircea_popescu with multiple versions of newest drivers etc. [18:51]
mircea_popescu for reasons ???? nobody fucking knows. [18:51]
mircea_popescu opengl something or other, for sure. [18:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i can tell you now, why [18:51]
mircea_popescu do [18:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers [18:52]
mircea_popescu so ? [18:52]
ascii_field (they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use) [18:52]
mircea_popescu problem exists on fucking ubuntu apparently. [18:52]
ascii_field so it pulls on the ropes. [18:52]
ascii_field problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers. [18:52]
ascii_field each is a proud servant of microshit. [18:52]
mircea_popescu i dunno man, i get 60 fps constant on that thing. [18:52]
mircea_popescu also nvidia card [18:52]
decimation *nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience [18:53]
ascii_field any common factors between the unhappy cards ? [18:53]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation [18:53]
mircea_popescu ascii_field not that i could discern so far. [18:53]
mircea_popescu but next report is going to contain list of functional gpus. [18:54]
mircea_popescu which is exactly in line of what trinque was saying [18:54]
ascii_field << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public. [18:54]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation [18:54]
mircea_popescu opengl is public. [18:55]
ascii_field the back end. [18:55]
mircea_popescu yes. [18:55]
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ascii_field where it turns into actual gpu instructions [18:55]
ascii_field is not public. [18:55]
mircea_popescu that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly. [18:55]
mircea_popescu i don't give a shit about that [18:55]
mircea_popescu im not here to fix anything [18:55]
mircea_popescu i am here to burn things [18:55]
mircea_popescu stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service. [18:56]
ascii_field burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~) [18:56]
mircea_popescu for now i want the camel. [18:56]
ascii_field which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ? [18:57]
mircea_popescu IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation [18:57]
ascii_field ah [18:57]
decimation reverse engineer driver [18:58]
ascii_field decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~ [18:58]
ascii_field see also the fpga threads. [18:58]
mircea_popescu so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!" [18:58]
mircea_popescu "it alwas looks like this when X" [18:59]
decimation the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low [19:01]
mircea_popescu it happens across the board, not just ubuntu [19:05]
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mircea_popescu i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not [19:05]
ascii_field does the thing use shader / [19:06]
ascii_field ? [19:06]
mircea_popescu yea [19:06]
ascii_field likely culprit [19:07]
mircea_popescu and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking [19:07]
mircea_popescu myeah [19:07]
punkman [19:08]
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decimation lol [19:10]
trinque govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment [19:11]
trinque usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism [19:12]
shinohai is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ? [19:12]
mats ask your question, don't ask to ask [19:13]
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shinohai blocking nodes is inefficient, yes? [19:14]
shinohai my apologies, I am researching as well [19:19]
trinque [19:20]
assbot The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( ) [19:20]
mircea_popescu shinohai inefficient for what purpose ? [19:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC [19:20]
danielpbarron shinohai, see: [19:21]
assbot Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans. [19:21]
shinohai suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default [19:21]
shinohai thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible [19:22]
* trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that [19:22]
trinque shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind [19:23]
shinohai there are only a few hundred ip's if that [19:23]
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shinohai well, 123 [19:24]
assbot - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( ) [19:24]
mircea_popescu shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever. [19:26]
mircea_popescu i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own. [19:26]
mircea_popescu seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs. [19:27]
mircea_popescu it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal. [19:27]
shinohai I'm good then. its running so meh [19:31]
trinque ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses [19:32]
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scoopbot_revived Eulora second event - Sunday, June 14th [19:49]
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jurov only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed [20:05]
mircea_popescu wellthen. [20:05]
danielpbarron i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items [20:09]
jurov danielpbarron: today? [20:09]
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danielpbarron yeah, last night and today [20:11]
jurov yest everything i found was tiny [20:11]
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danielpbarron well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning" [20:11]
mircea_popescu !up Bob32442 [20:11]
-assbot- You voiced Bob32442 for 30 minutes. [20:11]
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danielpbarron the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive [20:12]
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jurov danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be. [20:17]
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jurov at least figured out cs supports python scripting [20:17]
Bob32442 hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed? [20:18]
jurov Bob32442: what cap? blocksize? [20:18]
jurov go read trilema [20:18]
Bob32442 yeah [20:18]
Bob32442 so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen? [20:20]
Bob32442 Maybe I should read the rest of it lol [20:21]
Bob32442 ah [20:27]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron information-wise steep ? [20:38]
mircea_popescu "anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit. [20:39]
mircea_popescu this is pointedly untrue. [20:39]
mircea_popescu people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education. [20:39]
mircea_popescu who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc. [20:39]
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mike_c jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game? [20:45]
jurov lol far from that [20:46]
mike_c ah [20:46]
jurov just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app [20:46]
jurov seems that feature was left to rot [20:47]
mike_c so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting [20:47]
mike_c if interest held [20:47]
trinque [20:48]
assbot Phys.Org Mobile: Chinese hackers got sensitive military files: report ... ( ) [20:48]
jurov yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too [20:48]
trinque doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot" [20:49]
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cazalla oh boy this article is gonna be a good one [21:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c it should be possible tho. [21:15]
mike_c yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing [21:15]
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mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect. [21:27]
mircea_popescu minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own. [21:27]
mircea_popescu cazalla which one ? :D [21:29]
cazalla publishing it soon, just adding links [21:29]
mircea_popescu cool [21:29]
asciilifeform << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled' [21:34]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: [21:34]
trinque heh no kidding [21:35]
asciilifeform << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then) [21:35]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default [21:35]
cazalla do ur thang scoopbot [21:36]
trinque asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize" [21:36]
asciilifeform << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production [21:37]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses [21:37]
trinque the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago [21:37]
trinque *ago [21:37]
scoopbot_revived U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing [21:37]
trinque asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon [21:38]
asciilifeform re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it [21:40]
asciilifeform so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade [21:41]
asciilifeform ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques. [21:42]
asciilifeform i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ? [21:42]
asciilifeform but not, e.g., kalashnikov ? [21:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa. [21:43]
asciilifeform ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin [21:43]
asciilifeform usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet. [21:43]
mircea_popescu and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent [21:44]
mircea_popescu just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not. [21:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one. [21:44]
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mircea_popescu hypocrisy is always lower functioning. [21:44]
asciilifeform it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air. [21:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps [21:46]
asciilifeform it's a leper's bell, loud and clear [21:46]
mircea_popescu recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ? [21:46]
asciilifeform aha. [21:46]
asciilifeform i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation [21:46]
asciilifeform (where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?) [21:47]
mircea_popescu it's all stupidity. [21:47]
mircea_popescu it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation. [21:47]
mircea_popescu if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career. [21:47]
asciilifeform what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ? [21:47]
mircea_popescu if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone. [21:47]
mircea_popescu that he's here makes the word meaningless [21:47]
mircea_popescu dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver. [21:48]
mircea_popescu what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ? [21:48]
asciilifeform cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella [21:49]
mircea_popescu orly ? [21:49]
asciilifeform (no lack of the latter working as the former, sure) [21:49]
mircea_popescu the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else. [21:50]
mircea_popescu so they don't miss what they don't have. [21:50]
asciilifeform but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack. [21:51]
mircea_popescu no, it is not. [21:51]
mircea_popescu because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him [21:51]
mircea_popescu AS IF this can be in debate. [21:51]
asciilifeform and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it [21:51]
mircea_popescu they knew themselves to be idiots. [21:51]
mircea_popescu arabs do not. [21:52]
asciilifeform sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs [21:52]
asciilifeform (see the japanese cnc mill case) [21:52]
asciilifeform or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax [21:52]
mircea_popescu was that ever published ? [21:53]
asciilifeform in english? no idea [21:53]
mircea_popescu in drawings lol [21:53]
mircea_popescu names are names [21:53]
asciilifeform << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all' [21:54]
assbot ... ( ) [21:54]
asciilifeform take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit [21:54]
mircea_popescu mmyeah [21:55]
asciilifeform the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate [21:55]
asciilifeform and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell. [21:56]
asciilifeform (american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights) [21:56]
mircea_popescu but not for very many [21:57]
mircea_popescu in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale. [22:03]
mircea_popescu and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves. [22:03]
mircea_popescu anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took. [22:03]
mircea_popescu even if the payment was, like all payments, false. [22:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold. [22:04]
asciilifeform ditto u.s. grain [22:04]
asciilifeform p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: (scroll to middle past the japanese unit) [22:13]
asciilifeform (how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know) [22:14]
asciilifeform the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now. [22:15]
asciilifeform it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still. [22:15]
mircea_popescu << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies. [22:16]
assbot Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [22:16]
mircea_popescu what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ? [22:16]
mircea_popescu derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ? [22:16]
mircea_popescu piketty ty. [22:16]
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asciilifeform !up referredbyloper [22:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << yours ? [22:21]
assbot OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( ) [22:21]
asciilifeform mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43) [22:21]
asciilifeform under brand 'amic' [22:21]
mircea_popescu - TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM < [22:21]
mircea_popescu and amic iirc was not actually a z80 [22:22]
mircea_popescu it also sucked. [22:22]
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asciilifeform << it ? [22:23]
assbot ... ( ) [22:23]
mircea_popescu well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items [22:24]
mircea_popescu < there [22:25]
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asciilifeform the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard [22:26]
asciilifeform (the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen) [22:27]
mircea_popescu the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard [22:27]
asciilifeform not obvious from the photo [22:27]
mircea_popescu they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so [22:27]
mircea_popescu the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /- shaped keys caught, and so on. [22:30]
mircea_popescu but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd [22:30]
asciilifeform today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet) [22:31]
mircea_popescu (significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with) [22:31]
* mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in [22:31]
asciilifeform interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores [22:32]
asciilifeform there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things [22:32]
mircea_popescu they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams [22:32]
mircea_popescu for hipster couples. [22:32]
asciilifeform l0l [22:32]
mircea_popescu they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963 [22:32]
asciilifeform what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable' [22:33]
mircea_popescu she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry [22:33]
asciilifeform (fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm') [22:33]
mircea_popescu nfi. [22:34]
mircea_popescu it [22:34]
asciilifeform [22:34]
assbot ... ( ) [22:34]
asciilifeform ^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings [22:34]
asciilifeform lasts a few yrs. [22:34]
asciilifeform iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm' [22:35]
trinque complete with speedometer [22:35]
asciilifeform so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks [22:35]
* asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres [22:37]
asciilifeform culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards. [22:38]
mircea_popescu << there [22:38]
assbot ... ( ) [22:38]
mircea_popescu << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho [22:39]
assbot ... ( ) [22:39]
* asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head [22:39]
mircea_popescu lol [22:40]
mircea_popescu << also, repurposed phone chassis [22:40]
assbot ... ( ) [22:40]
asciilifeform would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem [22:41]
mircea_popescu << this one's for mike_c [22:42]
assbot ... ( ) [22:42]
mircea_popescu "Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea." [22:43]
mircea_popescu "it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs " [22:43]
asciilifeform l0l [22:45]
* asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these. [22:47]
asciilifeform [22:48]
assbot Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 | Photobucket ... ( ) [22:48]
mike_c mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :) [22:52]
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danielpbarron !up ben-of-the-casca [23:17]
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ben-of-the-casca ty! [23:17]
ben-of-the-casca re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering [23:18]
ben-of-the-casca looking forward to being able to /explore tho [23:19]
danielpbarron i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D [23:19]
ben-of-the-casca how much and how many? [23:19]
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danielpbarron 23 for 0.01 ? [23:20]
mod6 wat [23:20]
ben-of-the-casca let me get further bored by looking for the last item [23:21]
ben-of-the-casca unless mod6 just derps it over to me [23:21]
mod6 waddya need? [23:22]
danielpbarron 1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out [23:22]
ben-of-the-casca not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing [23:22]
ben-of-the-casca dpb aha [23:22]
danielpbarron for me it was the rock that i found last [23:23]
danielpbarron and someone had to lead me to it [23:23]
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mod6 oh those rocks [23:23]
ben-of-the-casca the renderings so fucked in my machine [23:23]
mod6 i can give you one, i've only got 3. [23:23]
ben-of-the-casca i can see markers and items - but theyre just black [23:24]
danielpbarron my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet [23:24]
danielpbarron that's just if it's night time [23:24]
ben-of-the-casca OH [23:24]
ben-of-the-casca well then [23:24]
mod6 dang [23:24]
mod6 im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card. [23:24]
mod6 im the only guy in eulora right now [23:25]
mod6 everyone else is at the club, making it rain [23:25]
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mod6 now if this kernel would just hurry up... [23:26]
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decimation < sucks for usg employees [23:31]
assbot Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( ) [23:31]
danielpbarron << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind [23:32]
assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ? [23:32]
danielpbarron i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while [23:32]
danielpbarron it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate [23:33]
danielpbarron in the future, someone can specialize each step of production [23:34]
danielpbarron and I upvote the named keys idea [23:35]
danielpbarron is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft? [23:36]
danielpbarron for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default [23:37]
danielpbarron and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts [23:37]
decimation usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets [23:46]
cazalla TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for [23:51]
assbot Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( ) [23:51]
decimation cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes [23:52]
cazalla decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw [23:53]
decimation heh [23:53]
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decimation where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials? [23:54]
cazalla low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties [23:55]
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decimation people have to have income to qualify for loans [23:57]
decimation does everyone get paid $200k? [23:57]
cazalla nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k [23:58]
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