Forum logs for 09 May 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
spyked: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-06-may-2019#2533326 <-- ftr, this is sorta how thetarpit currently works, tho the "spit out html" step in this loop is (for now) human-operated [03:48]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:06 mp_en_viaje: if lisp-o-tron spits out html files and apache delivers them, this will be web-fast [03:48]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911470 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911582 <-- lulz, went in that area but didn't notice the place. found other "cultural layers" tho, with e.g. vomit on top of old clothes on top of bottles on top of ... will post some soon. [03:50]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 16:11 asciilifeform: btw, for [thread][http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911403]-completeness strictly, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cultural_layer_1.jpg , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cultural_layer_2.jpg . [03:50]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 19:09 asciilifeform: extra upstack lulz, re 'cultural layer' : google helpfully informs that it has thickened ! [03:50]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911562 <-- I will give hunchentoot a second look as well, in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911437 [03:54]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 17:44 lobbes_field: As such, I'll start poking around at mod_lisp, et al. Will report back [03:54]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:00 phf: mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people [03:54]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-07#1911649 <-- re beaches, sq km of sandy shore relative to sea opening. tho I wouldn't be surprised if turkey had more total, afaik their black sea shores are mostly rocks. [03:56]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-07 21:09 mp_en_viaje: spyked, chock-full. though it's unclear to me how you reason re "having beaches", and in any case the fucking of eastern girls was more the 90s than the 70s. [03:56]
mp_en_viaje: turkey is afaik the ~only contender to cr substitute beaches this side of the world. [03:57]
spyked: re fucking eastern girls, I wouldn't know myself, but my sources (people who worked in the hotel industry at the time) say that plenty of it happened. but more in the 90s, sure. [03:57]
mp_en_viaje: but not in mediteranean they have nice mediteranean beaches. [03:57]
mp_en_viaje: spyked, people like to pretend. have you ever seen http://trilema.com/2016/e-pericoloso-sporgersi/ ? exactly representative of 80s "fucking like rabbits", "ma stii pe mine -- punct ochit, punc tlovit" etcetera. [03:59]
mp_en_viaje: nobody was fucking anyone and if it wasn't for the us that invented fucking via porn in the 90s, nobody would be fucking anyone today, either. [03:59]
spyked: on the other hand, why go to neptun and not, say, nice, other than "romania, nice country, beautiful girls" [04:03]
spyked: (in the 70s-80s I mean neptun's a ghost town nowadays) [04:04]
mp_en_viaje: well, watching girls in bikinis. honestly i think most men would much prefer hanging out with a bunch of scantily clad girls they're not fucking than actually have lots of sex. [04:05]
mp_en_viaje: i have come to suspect the ideal arrangement for the average male is having a house with a pool in a sunny climate and a ~17 yo daughter who has a lot of sleepovers. [04:05]
mp_en_viaje: best of both worlds, perpetually surrounded by adolescent cunt, never expected to give it what for, nobody else likely to trespass and do it for you... [04:06]
mp_en_viaje: certainly accounts for the jewish princess pheronomenon. [04:07]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in "where the fuck IS everyone" lulz, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Ragnagna/8089198/1997969519/4fu5ak-004-wdjeb1t.jpg [04:52]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/this-is-the-biggest-mess-this-kitchens-ever-seen/ << Trilema -- "This is the biggest mess this kitchen's ever seen!!!" [04:55]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-09#1912142 << in 1721 a (wooden, pedalled) submarine was demoed in front of peter 1. he also asked 'how far can it go.' paid to build coupla moar. eventually unimpressed and demoted the builder to ordinary shipyard carpenter. [12:15]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-09 00:44 mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built. [12:15]
mp_en_viaje: aha. [12:16]
asciilifeform: https://static.kulturologia.ru/files/u20225/202255783.jpg << subj (reconstructed) . [12:16]
mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, one ~could~ actually build air pumps and air pressure tanks out of wooden tech. so in principle pre-industrialization world could have had useful sub. [12:16]
mp_en_viaje: the problem is one of pathway -- neither can be DISCOVERED on wood. [12:17]
asciilifeform: not only could, but did [12:17]
mp_en_viaje: now, that we discovered them on metal, can retrofit. but at the time... did they ? [12:17]
asciilifeform: but it worked approx as well as current-day 'thinking comp' [12:17]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: counter-intuitively, problem wasn't the wood (they weren't trying to, nor needed, to go kilometer under water, but only below where can be seen from victim vessel) [12:18]
asciilifeform: problem was the flexible seal around the oars [12:18]
asciilifeform: had to be leather, no rubber yet. [12:18]
asciilifeform: leather sucks as wet seal. [12:18]
asciilifeform: same thing that sank the 1700s air rifle from older thread. [12:18]
mp_en_viaje: ~everything besides rubber sucks for that i guess. [12:19]
asciilifeform: indeed [12:19]
mp_en_viaje: see, here's wjhat i don't understand : why oar ? should have had closely fitted rod powering a propeller of some sort, and have a reverse spiral carved at the fitting juncture [12:20]
mp_en_viaje: so that the spinning pushes the water out, like archimede's screw [12:20]
asciilifeform: propeller has same problem. funnily enuff enuff, even today wood is used for the seal, but needs ~dozen metres of length, hence bigger vessel [12:21]
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 22:21 asciilifeform: interestingly, the connection b/w great ships and serious wood , is not entirely gone in modern time -- sov type 636 submarine has shaft bearing from lignum vitae [12:21]
asciilifeform: ~could~ have been built in 1700s, with propeller and lignum vitae. but would've required scaled up vessel, and, as the smaller ones failed -- not built. [12:21]
asciilifeform: 'quantity has quality of its own'(tm)(r) [12:22]
asciilifeform: pretty typical , imho, 'lisp machine' situation. [12:22]
mp_en_viaje: i guess so. [12:23]
mp_en_viaje: lotta retrospectively-theoretically-available techs in this vein, really. [12:23]
asciilifeform: aha. and among these, quite a few like this, where the Right Thing was not found specifically cuz it was not available at the ~scale~ of the demo model. [12:25]
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice PeterL 3 [12:41]
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice PeterL 3 [12:42]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v0WGF/?raw=true [12:42]
BingoBoingo: !!v C8E14B987B3D874316C9CFD50D858671C0311C36071AC702B61CFFABB6BEF77A [12:43]
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid PeterL invoice 3 [12:43]
billymg: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/05/dying-of-the-light-in-detroit-new-led-streetlights-approaching-systemic-failure/ << should the first sentence read "...newly installed LED streetlights are displaying signs of end of life wear..."? [13:00]
BingoBoingo: billymg: tyvm [13:02]
billymg: np! [13:02]
* billymg is happy to report he's made it safely to tx [13:03]
BingoBoingo: Very nice. Wearing a six shooter on your hip yet? [13:05]
billymg: not yet unfortunately [13:07]
BingoBoingo: Kinda thought that would've been in the welcome basket [13:08]
billymg: lol [13:08]
billymg: still taking care of the tedious chores and whatnot of relocating, but operating with a much elevated mood [13:10]
BingoBoingo: six shooter, brisket, unseemly thick toast, and a welcome to the neighborhood [13:12]
asciilifeform: seems like this makes... 3? trinque , ben_vulpes , billymg .. in tx [13:13]
asciilifeform: oughta meet in a dusty spittoon saloon somehere. [13:13]
* billymg would certainly not be opposed [13:20]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/tor-using-usg-whistleblower-hit-with-charges-after-leaking-to-omidyars-rag-yet-again/ << Qntra -- Tor Using USG WhistleBlower Hit With Charges After Leaking To Omidyar's Rag (Yet Again) [14:29]
BingoBoingo: ^ Another "Reality Winner" type capture [14:29]
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local Pantsuit campaign stunts: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Martinez-encaro-a-un-hombre-que-le-grito-en-un-acto-politico-Terminaron-en-paz-uc717774 [14:39]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/berlin-park-workers-reserve-spaces-for-asylum-seeking-drug-dealers/ << Qntra -- Berlin: Park Workers Reserve Spaces For Asylum Seeking Drug Dealers [15:27]
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local poverty https://www.infobae.com/america/america-latina/2019/05/09/cayo-monica-sosa-la-mujer-que-buscaba-recuperar-a-balazos-contra-su-familia-el-control-de-la-principal-banda-criminal-del-uruguay/ [17:27]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/usg-cuts-electricity-to-venezuelan-embassy-in-dc/ << Qntra -- USG Cuts Electricity To Venezuelan Embassy In DC [17:44]
mp_en_viaje: pretty lulzy, they can't cut power to bum dwellings even [18:26]
mp_en_viaje: in other insane wtf : i'm going through the paperwork of caradgea voivod (1818s, "tara romaneasca"). supposedly the public expenditure that year was 8`473`137 thalers (of which, post maintenance, over one sixth). [18:41]
mp_en_viaje: now, the thaler is a german silver coin, 22.2 grams of 3/4 silver. meaning the romanian principality expended that year > 140 tons of silver, something like 280 MILLION pounds sterling. [18:42]
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile re the british imperial budget of 1816 was in that year reported to the earl of liverpool as "the immense sum of 14mn sterlin gper annum" [18:46]
mp_en_viaje: literally, "And let it be recollected with triumphant pride by every true Briton, that this has taken place in the concluding years of a war of unexampled duration and unequalled expence when twenty-two years of continued hostilities had swelled the expenditure of the country to the enormous amount of 14,000,000 sterling per annum and when the salvation of Europe had been effected by the unremitting fortitude and perseverance of this nation in [18:47]
mp_en_viaje: the support of burthens which no other people could have borne for a tenth part of the time." [18:47]
mp_en_viaje: well... apparently one of the two romanian principalities was bearing twenty times that much ?! [18:47]
mp_en_viaje: something's definitely amiss here (and no, the whole phanariote period did not see in excess of 100 tons of silver, holy hell.) [18:48]
hanbot: 2 lb to the kg, so in 140 tons then 300k or so pounds [19:05]
mp_en_viaje: oh, right, right. [19:10]
mp_en_viaje: still seems too much, tbh. [19:14]
* asciilifeform eats log, sees runaway decimal point, but then finds that hanbot already found, lol [19:30]
* asciilifeform returns to battling regexp liquishit [19:32]
BingoBoingo: In too much news today: Red opposition Senator made a literary reference and paper had to include the poems in question https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-discurso-de-bordaberry-y-el-consejo-de-topolansky-en-discusion-por-un-feriado--201959191813 [20:15]
BingoBoingo: Also June 15th is now a holy day for some awful reason [20:15]
mp_en_viaje: such as nobody remembers what work is nor anything useful left to be done ? [20:18]
BingoBoingo: Pretty much [20:20]
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/05/blistering-choice/ << The Whet -- Blistering Choice [20:22]
hanbot: cheers and accolades to BingoBoingo for helping me solve my neglected blog's hiccups on a moment's notice, btw. i don't miss pre-pizarro in any sense. [20:29]
mp_en_viaje: nice huh! [20:31]
hanbot: rather! [20:32]
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform saw for 1st time a live mole. [20:34]
asciilifeform: somehow never before saw alive, only dead. ran, as if trying to swim, with those odd things they have that pass for legs. [20:35]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-10#1912244 << bastille day ?! [20:37]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-10 00:15 BingoBoingo: Also June 15th is now a holy day for some awful reason [20:37]
BingoBoingo: Unsure, didn't see in the story WTF the holiday was for. [20:38]
* asciilifeform celebrated, quietly, his national religious holiday today. [20:40]
asciilifeform: i wonder if phf got to see parade. [20:41]
mp_en_viaje: um, romanian kingdom day ?! [20:45]
asciilifeform: mno, although lulzy if it also may 9 [20:46]
mp_en_viaje: may 10, crowning of carol i. [20:47]
asciilifeform: aa [20:47]
asciilifeform: i still dunget why they had to mail-order a king, what, couldn't grow one locally [20:47]
mp_en_viaje: definitely couldn't. [20:47]
mp_en_viaje: (also mail-ordered before, all romanian princes were phanar greeks) [20:48]
asciilifeform: greeks ?! [20:50]
asciilifeform: i had nfi. [20:50]
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, is there a royalist party in current-day ro ? [20:52]
asciilifeform: perhaps they oughta try a diff mailorder catalogue. iirc jp emperor recently retired, perhaps he'd be willing to moonlight. [20:52]
mp_en_viaje: in a very theoretical sense, i guess. [20:53]
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the irony -- sick of istanbul greeks, romanians decided to mail order from germany. but because too smart for their own good, and possessed of a completely unwarranted pride, came up with idea to make rule that king sons to be raised as romanians. [20:54]
mp_en_viaje: imported king -- excellent material, arguably best leader romania ever had. [20:54]
mp_en_viaje: his successor, middling +. [20:54]
mp_en_viaje: then, middling - and finally HORRIBLE, F---. [20:55]
mp_en_viaje: the more romanian they got... [20:55]
* asciilifeform familiar with subj, but strictly from that likbez mp_en_viaje wrote some yrs ago [20:55]
mp_en_viaje: anyway, anyway, i suppose in principle karl friedrich [of the swabian hohenzollerns] would be the current claimant to the romanian throne. but this is a fact nobody in romania is aware of. [21:01]
mp_en_viaje: there's various comedians peddling various poorly written fictions, but their relation to anything is about the same, they exist on github, peripherally to computing, or on "natural health" forums peropheral to medicine, etcetera. [21:02]
mp_en_viaje: there's also a bunch of (usually older) people who are fundamentally anti-democratic, who wrongly imagine this means they're "monarchists", and then further wrongly imagine this has anything to do with either of the two foregoing items. [21:03]
mp_en_viaje: considering their discernment, they could just as well be persuaded it has something to do with toyota hamburgers. [21:03]
* asciilifeform pictures, unwillingly, a 'toyota hamburger'. [21:18]
mp_en_viaje: anyway, also amusingly enough the principal anti-democratic current comes from the so-called "technocrats", ie the bureaucratic core of the european union. [21:24]
mp_en_viaje: you should hear what jesuitical philipicals come out of them! how well it would be if they were just proclaimed the aristocracy already! how meritous they are! how special! how specially in communion with whatever possible statement of divinity, and how specially marked by it! how well they'd ordain all matters! equitably! how the politicians and the businessmen ruin the world! and so on and so forth. [21:26]
mp_en_viaje: (i suppose ~nobody is aware, but the classical antisemitic discourse is just reheated soup, originally it was the jesuits that were poisoning the youth through miseducation, aiming to take over the world, controlled mass media and banks etc etc etc) [21:27]
mp_en_viaje: philippicals* [21:29]
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