Forum logs for 09 Dec 2017
ben_vulpes: | > pragma Pure | [02:01] |
ben_vulpes: | slowly coming around to this ada thing | [02:01] |
ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life | [02:44] |
BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [07:22] |
jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15011.78, vol: 14964.17889650 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14936.0, vol: 69368.82029594 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15100.2, vol: 3178.19548484 | Volume-weighted last average: 14954.9215241 | [07:22] |
BingoBoingo: | In other news, last night crowd was primarily Brazilians in town for the Cannabis expo | [08:32] |
mircea_popescu: | in other you-can't-imagine-what-decivilization-is : abs wheel sensors here, $130. each. in sanelands, $30, a set of 4. | [09:30] |
mircea_popescu: | if you're wondering WHY the fuck would anyone buy singles, your mind is working correctly and you're on the way to explaining the mystery : imbecile orcmind DOES NOT PROVISION! DOES NOT MAINTENANCE! and generally has a very peculiar relartionship with the future, as discussed eg in http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_0_75919 or http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-09-nov-2017#2360858 | [09:38] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-11-09 20:25 mircea_popescu: cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks. | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu: | or so on. | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu: | so basically : they do not keep supplies. latino mind does not understand there's something shameful in having shop of X, not having X.y item in stock. | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu: | consequently, because no demand, because no management, because no understanding whatsoever of what this capitalist world is or how it works, THEREFORE it makes ~~~perfect economic sense~~~ for part to cost 4x 4x what it costs among smarter people. | [09:39] |
mircea_popescu: | THIS is what end-of-civilisation means : as you include more and more brownies and "their values" into society, you exclude more and more sense and welfare from the economy. | [09:40] |
asciilifeform: | 'sensor is what we dunhave at the sensor shop!1' | [09:40] |
mircea_popescu: | ikr | [09:40] |
asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it was how usa croaked | [09:41] |
asciilifeform: | !#s neutron absorbers | [09:41] |
a111: | 1 result for "neutron absorbers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=neutron%20absorbers | [09:41] |
mircea_popescu: | aha. | [09:41] |
asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455832 | [09:41] |
a111: | Logged on 2016-04-22 15:58 asciilifeform: i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers' | [09:41] |
asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749053 << yer in for a treat, ben_vulpes , whole thing is made of this | [09:43] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-12-09 07:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life | [09:43] |
mircea_popescu: | i gathered :) | [09:44] |
asciilifeform: | of course W_ZeroP only works the way it does because compilers are sad , in turn because people were idiots in 1970s and did not shoot the wreckers who so much as suggested to call a thing without overlow and zero flags, a cpu | [09:45] |
asciilifeform: | *overflow | [09:45] |
asciilifeform: | btw here's a phunphakt for ben_vulpes : ffa cannot be used as-is on ppc. ibm in infinite whizzdom made their mul instruction nonconstanttime. | [09:47] |
asciilifeform: | it shortcuts on zeros. | [09:47] |
asciilifeform: | if you must run on ppc, yer basecase (word x word) multer has to be 'egyptian'. | [09:48] |
asciilifeform: | and i'ma have to write a detector for this kind of idiocy, because anything at all can be expected from intel et al. | [09:51] |
asciilifeform: | for mul, pretty simple, time the interval needed for e.g. million 0x0 mulls vs million maxint x maxint ( and a few other patterns ) | [09:52] |
mircea_popescu: | !!up BigTexasBingo | [11:03] |
deedbot: | BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. | [11:03] |
BigTexasBingo: | Holy fuck do Brazilians smoke fuck tons of ganja | [11:03] |
* BigTexasBingo | has for the near term readopted cigarettes for social cover | [11:04] |
* BigTexasBingo | may be learning more Portugues atm than Spanish. | [11:08] |
BigTexasBingo: | Sobriety still intact. Still only met un gringa, though have now encountered a Brazilian born in Nueva York | [11:09] |
mircea_popescu: | good for you. | [11:10] |
BigTexasBingo: | Necessito encuentrar un nuevo lavador por mi ropa. Current one hasn't been attended since I dropped off mi ropa. But only been by twice. | [11:11] |
asciilifeform: | ->encontrar ? | [11:12] |
BigTexasBingo: | Find | [11:12] |
asciilifeform: | yes | [11:12] |
asciilifeform: | but mutilated. or is this what the portuguese do. | [11:12] |
* asciilifeform | grammarschool nitpicking | [11:13] |
BigTexasBingo: | It is the effect of my spanish immersion being invaded by the Brazillians and their slow, incredibly understandable speech. | [11:13] |
BigTexasBingo: | Weather here still muy bueno. | [11:14] |
BigTexasBingo: | And adjusting to hostel life | [11:17] |
BigTexasBingo: | Cowork life is very accommodating | [11:17] |
asciilifeform: | what exactly is a 'cowork' | [11:18] |
BigTexasBingo: | It is an office building floor whereI rent desk, get coffee and language practice, and fiscal address to give the lawyer | [11:19] |
asciilifeform: | aa neato | [11:19] |
asciilifeform: | iirc phf had one of these in usa | [11:20] |
BigTexasBingo: | Monthly cost is in TBI statement | [11:20] |
BigTexasBingo: | Have access 24/7 to space | [11:20] |
BigTexasBingo: | Locking storage fwiw | [11:21] |
BigTexasBingo: | And rooftop lounge area for socializing and phone calls | [11:22] |
BigTexasBingo: | Brb, adventure resumes | [11:22] |
asciilifeform: | habitable outdoors must be pretty great. | [11:22] |
BingoBoingo: | It is indeed, the hours from doce y media through Cuartena y media can be rather hot, but milder than in the homeland | [12:01] |
BingoBoingo: | !!up _whitelogger | [12:03] |
deedbot: | _whitelogger voiced for 30 minutes. | [12:03] |
BingoBoingo: | !~ticker --market all | [12:13] |
jhvh1: | BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13650.0, vol: 13035.50063927 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13632.0, vol: 64530.65458759 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14066.7, vol: 3056.60516005 | Volume-weighted last average: 13651.3908676 | [12:13] |
BingoBoingo: | Ah, the weekend dollar liquidity crunch | [12:14] |
BingoBoingo: | And in Argentines trying Navy Seal copypasta http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8uKS0/?raw=true | [13:01] |
BingoBoingo: | No, they are not being considered for jack shit | [13:05] |
phf: | i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever | [13:37] |
TomServo: | heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment | [15:12] |
TomServo: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748919 << something like this? https://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/miniwebproxy | [15:17] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-12-08 20:54 asciilifeform: at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron | [15:17] |
asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << link ? | [15:21] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment | [15:21] |
asciilifeform: | TomServo: the proxy thing sounds exactly like what i wanted. primo candidate for tmsrization. | [15:24] |
TomServo: | asciilifeform: it dropped by the time I thought to archive, https://archive.is/iYTlp | [15:25] |
asciilifeform: | ty TomServo , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15887475 has a little ball of lulz already, complete with card-carrying ninjashotgunner, | [15:27] |
asciilifeform: | !#s tptacek | [15:27] |
a111: | 17 results for "tptacek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tptacek | [15:27] |
TomServo: | aha, I recognized the name, didn't recall the connection | [15:29] |
asciilifeform: | TomServo: see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523233 . | [16:13] |
a111: | Logged on 2016-08-17 16:54 asciilifeform: all i solidly know of the tptacek fella is his reaction to phuctor. | [16:13] |
asciilifeform: | elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675980. | [16:14] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-06-28 16:09 asciilifeform: beloved sage ideologue of the schneierism komyoonity, author of gems like https://archive.is/ootJi | [16:14] |
asciilifeform: | d00d is, as i understand, a 'pillar-of-the-komyoonity', i.e. full-time politruk. | [16:15] |
asciilifeform: | !!up clambodile | [17:24] |
deedbot: | clambodile voiced for 30 minutes. | [17:24] |
clambodile: | Thank you | [17:26] |
asciilifeform: | who might you be, clambodile ? | [17:27] |
clambodile: | I would describe myself as "a rando". I found this channel by chance, thought it seemed interesting. | [17:30] |
asciilifeform: | clambodile: consider reading log, at http://btcbase.org/log and elsewhere, and see chan subjline. | [17:31] |
clambodile: | asciilifeform: I thought I would lurk for now, if that's aight. | [17:32] |
asciilifeform: | clambodile: there is no substitute for reading the log, if you want to have even half a clue. but lurk all you like, nobody's stopping anyone from lurking. | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << this attracted such choice intellects last time... | [17:53] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment | [17:53] |
asciilifeform: | the q asciilifeform asks each time is 'wai'. it's not unlike learning that you've been featured on radio pyongyang | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu: | comes with teh territory. | [17:55] |
asciilifeform: | does it ? i dun recall last time e.g. trilema was '#1 on tardcombinator' | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu: | a year or so ? | [17:55] |
asciilifeform: | possibly i'm not using enuff repellentpowder, lol | [17:55] |
asciilifeform: | hm possibly yea | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu: | periodicity of the venues. yearly on that shitpit, monthly on that other shitpit etc. | [17:56] |
* asciilifeform | these days finds it hard to muster the givingashit to even follow up on 'was linked from shitpit!11' much of the time | [17:57] |
asciilifeform: | this time took a peek after all, to see 'are the hannoboecks still on duty'. answ: they are. | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu: | not hard for them : not wanted anywhere else. what could they possible do all day ? | [17:59] |
asciilifeform: | dunno, how about they pick up rubbish with bare hands, like in india. | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu: | notrly. | [18:01] |
trinque: | I dunno I would've taken the comparison to Terry Davis as a compliment! | [18:04] |
trinque: | patron saint of computing juche | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu: | it's funny how idiocy secretes narrative as its natural metabolism. algae make oxygen and estlatrds make loose stories. | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu: | lurking, eh. | [19:03] |
* asciilifeform | fiddles with serverz. the noise -- abominable | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu: | !!up izabera | [19:35] |
deedbot: | izabera voiced for 30 minutes. | [19:35] |
izabera: | hi | [19:35] |
mircea_popescu: | how goes | [19:35] |
izabera: | all good, i don't actually need help or anything | [19:35] |
mircea_popescu: | cool | [19:35] |
izabera: | just found this chan on https://archive.is/CGQkR | [19:35] |
asciilifeform: | ohai izabera . are you a customer ? | [19:35] |
izabera: | nope | [19:36] |
izabera: | at least not yet | [19:36] |
asciilifeform: | izabera: the unit is very much still available. | [19:36] |
izabera: | how many did you actually sell? | [19:37] |
asciilifeform: | izabera: try asking dell how many servers he sold ? | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu: | not like it's not in the reports. hundred or so ? | [19:38] |
izabera: | not bad | [19:38] |
asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: dun think we ever published the exact #. although folx oughta be able to arithmetize. | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu: | within a degree of magnitude, sorta thing | [19:39] |
asciilifeform: | 100 was just the first batch ( which sold out last yr ) | [19:39] |
izabera: | are the prices on this page https://archive.is/CNpWm up to date? | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu: | nah. | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu: | where was that danielpbarron amazion thing ? | [19:42] |
asciilifeform: | 0.0395 is the current. | [19:42] |
izabera: | still hella expensive | [19:42] |
asciilifeform: | izabera: i gotta bite : compared to what ? | [19:43] |
izabera: | a ps4 | [19:43] |
asciilifeform: | someone sells an auditable trng called ps4 ? | [19:43] |
asciilifeform: | link ? | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu: | lol ps4 | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu: | wouldja simmer down alfie! | [19:43] |
asciilifeform: | i mean it is also expensive compared to children's tricycle. but how about comparing similar items.. | [19:43] |
izabera: | i mean you must be aware of btc's recent jump to >15k usd | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu: | izabera you can prolly pick up some in teh aftermarket either amazon or w/e. | [19:48] |
danielpbarron: | someone bid and won it for 200 USD | [19:51] |
danielpbarron: | i'll put some more up soon | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu: | was your last one ? | [19:51] |
danielpbarron: | i have plenty more | [19:51] |
asciilifeform: | !~later tell trinque is your musltronic gentoo recipe posted anywhere ? | [20:23] |
jhvh1: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [20:23] |
asciilifeform: | !!up BingoBoingo | [20:26] |
deedbot: | BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes. | [20:26] |
asciilifeform: | err | [20:26] |
danielpbarron: | !~later tell izabera https://www.ebay.com/itm/292364922124 | [20:28] |
jhvh1: | danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. | [20:28] |
asciilifeform: | oh hey notbad biznis danielpbarron has. | [20:28] |
danielpbarron: | yeah it' | [20:28] |
danielpbarron: | yeah it's pretty nice. i can't really lose money selling these things | [20:29] |
danielpbarron: | even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort | [20:29] |
asciilifeform: | possibly folx are less reluctant to part with fiatola than good old coinz | [20:31] |
danielpbarron: | i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me | [20:32] |
* asciilifeform | realized not long ago that he's quite ready to pay considerably 'more' in fiatola for a hypothetical item that is also-sold for btc , on account of the difficulty of replenishing the latter | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749209 << this is the key of the strategy. | [20:46] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu: | !!up clambodile | [20:48] |
deedbot: | clambodile voiced for 30 minutes. | [20:48] |
asciilifeform: | !!up clambodile | [21:04] |
deedbot: | clambodile voiced for 30 minutes. | [21:04] |
asciilifeform: | clambodile: please get an irc bouncer , or lurk by reading the logs. join/part spamola is not welcome | [21:05] |
cruciform: | http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171210/#52 they charged me import duty a fortnight after arrival! | [21:19] |
scriba: | Logged on 2017-12-10: [01:29:30] <danielpbarron> even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort | [21:19] |
cruciform: | just about finished up with 6 months of logs turns out I've a LOT of work to do! :-) | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu: | lol | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu: | !!up esthlos | [21:22] |
deedbot: | esthlos voiced for 30 minutes. | [21:22] |
danielpbarron: | cruciform, if you don't mind, i'm curious what they charged you | [21:29] |
cruciform: | danielpbarron: £15, iirc | [21:29] |
asciilifeform: | in other noose, ALL of the 'livedvd' on gentoo's ftp appear to contain poetteringolade ( boots into gui horror, with systemd, 'networkmanager'-at-boot, etc. ) | [21:32] |
ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: reproducing ben_vulpes' travails ahaha? | [21:36] |
asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: reproducing everybody's travails | [21:36] |
ben_vulpes: | likely with the 'wrist' to make it work | [21:36] |
asciilifeform: | no exotic archs tho | [21:36] |
ben_vulpes: | buddy i've been beaten back on entirely conventional archs even of late | [21:37] |
asciilifeform: | i thought ben_vulpes had a ppc thing | [21:37] |
ben_vulpes: | among others, yes | [21:37] |
ben_vulpes: | it is sitting happily on a desk, refusing to ada for reasons of package gcc 4.9 blocks gnat-gpl, which is the point at which i threw up my hands and declared a temporary retrograde advance | [21:38] |
asciilifeform: | the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat. | [21:43] |
asciilifeform: | ( the building can happen, however , on any box having a working gnat of whatever type ) | [21:44] |
asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: if you want to use gcc's gnat, you gotta get old ( 2016 and earlier oughta work ) tarball manually, and build or obtain the 'obsolete' gentoo ebuild. | [21:45] |
asciilifeform: | alternatively you can use adacore's item. | [21:45] |
asciilifeform: | ( i don't know of any particular reason to spit on it ) | [21:46] |
ben_vulpes: | most recently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740314 | [21:49] |
a111: | Logged on 2017-11-18 18:10 ben_vulpes: but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file | [21:49] |
asciilifeform: | ugh | [22:08] |
asciilifeform: | that's a first. this was on the ppc? or on pc? | [22:08] |
ben_vulpes: | pc | [23:21] |
ben_vulpes: | cruciform: webirc is going to piss everyone off with join/part spam | [23:24] |
ben_vulpes: | either get a real bouncer or read the wwwlogz | [23:24] |
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