Forum logs for 09 Nov 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:

mircea_popescu:	anyway. mildly amusing that in 2017 rando still don quixoting with the same windmills as in 2014. who knows, maybe if he wastes his ENTIRE life at this, "how he thinks normal debates work" will matter.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu:	anything but suck the cock of your betters, it is teh modernity after all, french revolution relevant 4evar!!1	[00:01]
mircea_popescu:	and in other "god fucking damn it", i used coffee grinder to grind down some clavo de olor, which was so fucking juicy and fresh it ACTUALLY DISSOLVED the god damned plastic.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu:	ruined coffee grinder i had to import all the way from switzerland.	[00:05]
BingoBoingo:	lol @ USG says WAT	[00:18]
BingoBoingo:	cry @ poor grinder, hardly knewer	[00:18]
BingoBoingo:	Lafond on StreetPreets http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9462	[00:34]
davout:	http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-08-nov-2017#2360145 <<< housing looks like a nightmare there	[05:02]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 02:18 trinque: girl and I are looking seriously at singapore	[05:02]
shinohai:	This whole US/Cuba row over the "sonic wavez" thing gets more ridiculous by the day: http://archive.is/Xhr6w	[08:41]
mircea_popescu:	!!up concernedscaling	[09:18]
deedbot:	concernedscaling voiced for 30 minutes.	[09:18]
mircea_popescu:	shinohai did it come alive at night and fuck their wife ?	[09:18]
shinohai:	Likely, so "we gotta make sure and ban you 'muricans from these 80 hotels, just to be sure"	[09:18]
shinohai:	poppycock	[09:18]
mircea_popescu:	sooo obama lifted all-cuba ban, to be enforced instead on a hotel-by-hotel basis ?	[09:22]
mircea_popescu:	i can almost see the local charge d'affaires, "if you don't get taller hookers ima have your hotel del ray added to index!"	[09:23]
concernedscaling:	Hi everyone. I'm trying to make sense of all this scale talk and I want to keep my BTC safe. My first mistake is probably getting information from twitter and redditard. We have Dr Craig W going on (and quite convincing) about BCash being the real bitcoin as it is able to scale like satoshis vision. However, this makes no sense to me considerin	[09:26]
concernedscaling:	g it was a fork (it's like Litecoin in my mind, which "scales" as well). But even more concerning is Bitcoin with segwit, and my current BTC on this upgraded protocol. I have not seen much talk about these issues in here lately, is there a reason for this? It seems like most are underestimating the threat of this fake bcash and segwit.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu:	maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734288	[09:26]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-08 17:30 davout: so apparently the segwit2x derps finally yielded https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-November/000685.html	[09:26]
davout:	concernedscaling: i don't think there's much to be said about this whole "issue" that wasn't said in 2014/2015	[09:32]
mircea_popescu:	the stubborn insistence of the "reading public" to read old newspapers is very much the chief ideological point of the journalist "profession", as it keeps them in print.	[09:33]
mircea_popescu:	to not read*	[09:33]
concernedscaling:	Thanks. I guess I am just trying to make sense of all of this, and couldnt find it in the logs. Instead of bcash forking from bitcoin, what was stopping them from just mining and rejecting segwit transactions on the the real BTC?	[09:34]
concernedscaling:	doesn't this make way more sense?	[09:34]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling do you know what happens when you divide by 0 ?	[09:34]
concernedscaling:	tsunamis	[09:36]
mircea_popescu:	hm. problem might have been larger than originally thought.	[09:36]
concernedscaling:	I mean, it is undefined	[09:37]
concernedscaling:	Why is this relevant?	[09:37]
mircea_popescu:	right. so this is also the problem here : you keep trying to make sense of the situation left after a division by 0.	[09:37]
mircea_popescu:	you see some labels, and take out your chinese set, and lay out the pawns, these red ones to label1, these blue ones to label2 etcetera	[09:38]
mircea_popescu:	this is not the real situation. bitcoin exists. "bitcoin cahs" DOES NOT EXIST. the various people that talk about things similarily do not exist.	[09:38]
concernedscaling:	Ok, does Segwit exist?	[09:39]
mircea_popescu:	you're probably too young to remember max keiser, and his amusing "expertises" in bitcoin years ago nevertheless a good helping of http://trilema.com/2017/cezar-petrescu-file-dintrun-caiet-de-amintiri-mateiu-i-caragiale/#footnote_25_75738 would probably help.	[09:40]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling it does not.	[09:40]
concernedscaling:	At what point can the real bitcoin continue to mutate until something bad happens	[09:40]
mircea_popescu:	mutate ?	[09:40]
concernedscaling:	Segwit is on the real bitcoin, no?	[09:40]
concernedscaling:	seems like a mutation is occurring	[09:40]
mircea_popescu:	you ever seen one of those old toyota trucks people deleted bits off so they read YO ?	[09:41]
mircea_popescu:	has toyota "mutated" or wtf is the argument here. aftermarket modifications are marginal by their fucking definition. the people involved wouldn't be involved otherwise.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu:	conceivably someone somewhere modified his bitcoin client to read "Hakked by CooLbOy" and recompiled. this is mutation now ?	[09:42]
concernedscaling:	haha, I see. I do remember max keiser, and I see him still very involved in the bitcoin scene to this day	[09:44]
mircea_popescu:	yes, in the strictest of senses, the obscure masturbatory activities of desocialized youths "exist". but they do not socially exist, and for a very good reason : they're asocial to begin with.	[09:44]
concernedscaling:	He even resorts to scam pumping of dash	[09:44]
mircea_popescu:	there's more scene than there's audience chairs, see.	[09:45]
mircea_popescu:	old will was right, "the world's a stage". what he omitted to point out is that the hall only goes a yard whereas the stage goes on for miles. out of the building, and into the mists.	[09:45]
shinohai:	!!up concernedscaling	[09:49]
deedbot:	concernedscaling voiced for 30 minutes.	[09:49]
davout:	concernedscaling: relevant -> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxzssDcUAAAP2PF.jpg	[09:50]
concernedscaling:	Thanks, I will try and not get caught up in the shit that doesnt really matter	[09:50]
shinohai:	lol davout .... saved!	[09:51]
mircea_popescu:	lol notbad. who's the author ?	[09:51]
davout:	nfi	[09:52]
concernedscaling:	if that is his twitter handle, his name is Ben Halpern	[09:53]
concernedscaling:	Creator/founder/webmaster of https://dev.to (@ThePracticalDev). Mount Allison grad, coder, buddhist, feminist, Batman.	[09:53]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling so invite him over.	[09:54]
mircea_popescu:	what's this, like another digg/reddit ?	[09:54]
concernedscaling:	twitter? yeah something like that	[09:54]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling why not make yourself a pgp key and reg with deedbot at that ?	[09:55]
concernedscaling:	a cesspool of ideas and spam, just a tool for controlling people. The fighting about core vs bcash vs seg2x vs miners vs blahblah is entertaining. Sad that I need to take part to see how the market reacts	[09:56]
mircea_popescu:	why specifically do you care ?	[09:57]
concernedscaling:	I don't want to underestimate the dumb money being thrown around. I dont want all of these idiot users to crash my BTC holdings because some fake satoshi is spewing political nonsense on redditard/twitter to control people.	[09:58]
mircea_popescu:	throwing money around rarely crashes anything.	[09:59]
shinohai:	concernedscaling: Have you read http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ ?	[09:59]
shinohai:	Still relevant	[09:59]
mircea_popescu:	we are talking of fiatola here, after all.	[09:59]
concernedscaling:	Yes, I have read that a few times	[10:00]
concernedscaling:	"Moreover, my budget to sink this scam exceeds the budget of everyone involved on the supporting side"	[10:01]
concernedscaling:	can you sink it already?	[10:01]
mircea_popescu:	there have been a lot of these pies in the sky to be concerned about to date, huh.	[10:01]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling for my curiosity, if you were to calculate the total hours you spent with " I need to take part to see how the market reacts" to date, what'd it come to ?	[10:02]
concernedscaling:	yeah, can't sink them all as they will just keep coming	[10:02]
concernedscaling:	You know, it's actually pretty strange. I just buy and hold, but given the substantial amount of money, I rely on being current with the bullshit going on, because I chose to not underestimate the power of the idiots and how much harm it can do	[10:04]
davout:	"sinking fake bitcoins" actually yields more bitcoins to further sink other fake bitcoins	[10:04]
concernedscaling:	But, I don't even trade	[10:04]
mircea_popescu:	ok, but put out a figure. how many man hours does the concern take a year ?	[10:04]
concernedscaling:	maybe ~730 hours	[10:04]
mircea_popescu:	so since 2014 let's say, since you recall keyser, we could say you spent about 2k hours, or a full year's workhours, on this.	[10:05]
mircea_popescu:	how many hours did you spend building a bitcoin something ?	[10:05]
concernedscaling:	0	[10:05]
mircea_popescu:	like, a logotron is maybe a day's work to stand up and then maybe a hour monthly to maintain and such.	[10:05]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling well... i'd say you have good cause to be concerned then.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu:	why not split work and axiety more evenly ? 100% to anxiety seems a poor strategy.	[10:06]
concernedscaling:	That is probably a very good idea	[10:07]
mircea_popescu:	you're welcome.	[10:08]
shinohai:	Navigating to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html and building that would be a far, far better use of one's time as well.	[10:09]
shinohai:	!!up Guest44578	[10:10]
deedbot:	Guest44578 voiced for 30 minutes.	[10:10]
concernedscaling:	Thanks, havent seen this idiot proof how to guide	[10:12]
concernedscaling:	will try and get TRB node going later	[10:12]
shinohai:	If you need any help or get stuck, ping me or sing out here in chan. Someone will be happy to assist.	[10:13]
concernedscaling:	will try and get a key going too	[10:13]
concernedscaling:	If it so profitable to kill scams, why do so many exist?	[10:13]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735055 << this was the umpteenth 'i am beset with ants! and i heard you have an anteater here' wasnnit.	[10:47]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 15:01 concernedscaling: can you sink it already?	[10:47]
asciilifeform:	'why dontcha stop sitting on anthill' 'wat' 'aha, get off the anthill' 'that's not possible, everywhere is anthill' etc	[10:47]
shinohai:	But how else will I know what the ants are doing?	[10:49]
mircea_popescu:	concernedscaling the generator is ambitious idiots. they don't "feel" their current social station is befitting for one such as them but they ALSO don't "feel" like they should have to do what has to be done.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu:	from this search of "the easier way" by people stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the workable from the unworkable, the scam ever emerges.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu:	in any population the majority will be insufficient, and therefore readily converge towards somesuch nonsense.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu:	so basically speaking, for as long as the women will keep getting pregnant the schoolteachers will still have work to do.	[11:04]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734987 << swiss plastic rubbish aint what it used to be, eh	[11:14]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 05:05 mircea_popescu: ruined coffee grinder i had to import all the way from switzerland.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu:	every plastic will be solluble in something	[11:14]
mircea_popescu:	it's the definition of plastic.	[11:14]
asciilifeform:	what's teflon soluble in ?	[11:15]
mircea_popescu:	i dunno, dmf ?	[11:16]
asciilifeform:	afaik at stp in nuffin	[11:16]
mircea_popescu:	i suppose. so how does it polymerizwe then ?	[11:17]
asciilifeform:	iirc heat/pressure.	[11:17]
mircea_popescu:	o wow look at that, it's actually done ~in emulsion~. i had nfi.	[11:17]
mircea_popescu:	i'll stand by it : this then means that teflon is only marginally at best a plastic.	[11:18]
asciilifeform:	it's a fluoroplastic ( the su unbranding of it, naturally )	[11:18]
mircea_popescu:	apparently it can be formulated so as to dissolve in dmf/dma etc	[11:18]
asciilifeform:	there are other fluoroplastics , that are easier to work / other desirable parameters tweaked	[11:19]
mircea_popescu:	not sure i want teflonated coffee grinder tbh.	[11:20]
mircea_popescu:	now, it'd be nice if you could buy BRONZE interior. not fucking electrolysed, but SOLID. nevertheless, it is apparently usg-forbidden to use actual materials.	[11:20]
asciilifeform:	why not teflon ? your grinder goes over 260C ?	[11:21]
mircea_popescu:	let the dumps contain 1000 plastic re-instantiations of the same god damned object, what if i could afford to pay 3x the price and leave it to my grandkids.	[11:21]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform locally, i expect it does. high speed granules etc.	[11:21]
asciilifeform:	possib	[11:21]
mircea_popescu:	wtf is wrong with a chunk of fucking bronze, 100 grams or so, for the inner housing.	[11:21]
asciilifeform:	bronze has one possible headache : very often has pb added ( for machineability )	[11:21]
mircea_popescu:	so make special kitchen alloy.	[11:21]
asciilifeform:	oh hey didn't mircea_popescu at one time have a bronze mortar ?	[11:22]
mircea_popescu:	reason i even know "cuisinart" is that they used to make metal tools. except stopped.	[11:22]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform i also have marble ones.	[11:22]
mircea_popescu:	and granite and etc.	[11:22]
asciilifeform:	so can haz kitchen bronze, then.	[11:22]
asciilifeform:	surgical steel would also work	[11:23]
mircea_popescu:	it's what they used to do.	[11:23]
asciilifeform:	incidentally why ground the thing in coffee grinder, vs blender ( with the glass bulb ) ?	[11:24]
asciilifeform:	needs fine powder ?	[11:24]
mircea_popescu:	was the idea.	[11:24]
mircea_popescu:	needs fine powder and too juicy to grind well in mortar so give it a shot.	[11:24]
asciilifeform:	prolly would work if you dessicated it 1st	[11:25]
asciilifeform:	( or is the juice necessary )	[11:25]
shinohai:	I have one of these, best one I have ever bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A6CP1HI/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1	[11:25]
mircea_popescu:	yes, but general solution for this (salt) not usable. and i don't eat enough sugar for that alternative + i don't eat the white hygroscopic kind	[11:25]
asciilifeform:	not salt	[11:25]
asciilifeform:	vacuum dessicator.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu:	so wait, i got really good clovges and ima put them into a "make-them-like-the-walmart-ones" tool ?	[11:26]
mircea_popescu:	shinohai nice, steel and ceramic.	[11:26]
shinohai:	Yeah, 0 plastic parts. Had the thing like 5 years now	[11:27]
asciilifeform:	oh hm if need to pulverize with juice still in, can try freezing	[11:27]
asciilifeform:	this was described in the altschuller b00k	[11:27]
mircea_popescu:	pretty cool. and evidently making it right doesn't make it more expensive, 25 bux is what all cost.	[11:27]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform didn't think of it. actually, had 0 expectation i'd end up with a dissolved-and-recombined surface of the inside of the thing, from smooth to matte.	[11:27]
asciilifeform:	shinohai: they had exactly like this grinder in the timis 'museum of communist konsoomer'	[11:28]
mircea_popescu:	the sadness of "modern technology" is that it fails miserably at things that aren't THAT technologically advanced.	[11:28]
mircea_popescu:	takes a lot of effort to reproduce today the kitchen of 1880 middle class polish housewife.	[11:29]
asciilifeform:	the 1880s housewife didn't insist on existing in 1e9 copies.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu:	her husband did.	[11:29]
shinohai:	asciilifeform: perfect for that bourgeois blend	[11:30]
mircea_popescu:	what good catholic didn't have a dozen kids then.	[11:30]
asciilifeform:	they also had proper wars.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu:	notrly the poles. more like proper reamings.	[11:30]
asciilifeform:	fact being, the tub had a drain then. today, faucet still runs, but no drain.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu:	the tub has no drain an' erryone looks pretty drained.	[11:31]
asciilifeform:	( phunphakt : in plebeland usa, it is not wholly unheard of for folx to live for weeks or months in a house without working drains. shit in buckets, dishes turn green, etc )	[11:32]
mircea_popescu:	the joys of overcrowding.	[11:33]
ben_vulpes:	i've been using https://www.amazon.com/bodum-antigua-electric-grinder-black/dp/b000vm08uo for at least a decade now	[11:33]
asciilifeform:	the joys of 'spend every penny you make, and owe maxint'	[11:33]
mircea_popescu:	that's the counter-counter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733641 : it is impossible to clog drain here.	[11:34]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-07 20:08 asciilifeform: it has up side, and down ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706555 )	[11:34]
asciilifeform:	lolwhy, the drain is a hole in the galleon's captain's cabin, hangs over the sea ?	[11:34]
mircea_popescu:	ben_vulpes is that polycarbonate ?	[11:34]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform drain does 100m drop over a mile, calculate the force a column of water puts upon it, obtain higher value than kitchen garbage disposal unit applies	[11:35]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: that looks like a starbuckstron. which i always suspected has a part in explaining why their swill tastes like burned plastic	[11:35]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: most clogs happen metre or two from the arse	[11:35]
mircea_popescu:	not the kind that turn dishes green, i'd have imagined ?	[11:36]
ben_vulpes:	mircea_popescu: housing, yeah	[11:36]
mircea_popescu:	if this is true, why not just fix	[11:36]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: because unless you know how with own hands, 'fix' is 500-800bux	[11:36]
mircea_popescu:	so buy a snake, big whoop. 20 bux at BingoBoingo 's store.	[11:36]
asciilifeform:	ikr ?	[11:36]
asciilifeform:	but you also gotta be able and willing to lift the throne ( old houses in usa have no cleanplug ) etc.	[11:36]
ben_vulpes:	asciilifeform: the burrs are steel in mine	[11:37]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu earlier suggested , 'boltzmann distrib' of coffee speck velocities, almost certainly has high end that grinds pieces of your vessel into the output	[11:38]
mircea_popescu:	https://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-Fresh-Grind-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B005EPRFKO << the dead item, since we're doing this.	[11:38]
mircea_popescu:	of course, inexplicably it's all written in french, "pour usage domestique" etc.	[11:38]
asciilifeform:	ahahahahahaha i have that one	[11:38]
mircea_popescu:	scams everywhere! "made in chine"	[11:38]
asciilifeform:	but i haven't tried grinding wet ginsung or whatnot	[11:38]
ben_vulpes:	ah well yeah, especially the bladed models are going to produce lots of high velocity particles	[11:39]
ben_vulpes:	a burr grinder has nested conical grinding faces spacing between which controls ground finenes	[11:39]
ben_vulpes:	also, blade pulverizes, burr shears. better extraction with the latter method.	[11:39]
ben_vulpes:	also vastly lower velocity.	[11:39]
asciilifeform:	why not take to logical conclusion, and use millstones	[11:40]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform actually "short" snake is flexible enough to go through toilet water trap deliberately for this reason.	[11:40]
ben_vulpes:	why, when the burr grinder is an excellent solution	[11:40]
mircea_popescu:	he has a point, i hadn't thought of that. exactly like pepper mill, have two cones in each other, adjustable distance.	[11:40]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: i have that type of snake.	[11:41]
ben_vulpes:	also burr grinder does not cook the coffee while grinding it, ever notice how the bladed model leaves the grounds...warm?	[11:41]
asciilifeform:	it's a good first-line.	[11:41]
mircea_popescu:	ben_vulpes yep, yours is teh correct solution.	[11:41]
asciilifeform:	not really physically possible to grind without heating	[11:41]
ben_vulpes:	not really possible to exist without producing waste heat either	[11:42]
mircea_popescu:	but it is possible to use a cone plane instead of a 1dimensional blade	[11:42]
asciilifeform:	tru	[11:42]
mircea_popescu:	ima get a cone grinder. nfi why i don't have one.	[11:42]
ben_vulpes:	but what, give up, sacrifice all efficiency because there's always more gas down the road?	[11:42]
mircea_popescu:	in retrospect seems a lot like not having a knife, "cutting bread on this veg peeler is so hard"	[11:42]
ben_vulpes:	or maybe just maybe have a care for the final product and take minimal steps to minimize pre-cooking out of volatiles	[11:42]
asciilifeform:	oh hm these look interesting, ben_vulpes , sorta like jet compressor	[11:43]
mircea_popescu:	precisely.	[11:43]
asciilifeform:	high-tech.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu:	no dude, "having gone to school" tech as opposed to "i heard on youtube" tech	[11:43]
asciilifeform:	i mean, the thing looks multiaxis-machined	[11:44]
mircea_popescu:	ah	[11:44]
ben_vulpes:	"i don't know much, but i paid attention in materials and machine design while everyone else was browsing facebook and copying homework out of the solution guide"	[11:44]
asciilifeform:	kommunist konsoomer did not have'em.	[11:44]
mircea_popescu:	communist consumer might have not been the end-all be-all, i find myself sometimes suspecting.	[11:45]
asciilifeform:	lol	[11:45]
mircea_popescu:	strangely there seem to be some extant records where he himself thinks the same!	[11:45]
asciilifeform:	speaking of, asciilifeform learned that folx in guangdong will laser-decap ICs for fiddybux/ea.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu:	that's pretty good.	[11:46]
asciilifeform:	ikr?	[11:46]
mircea_popescu:	ea or ea layer ?	[11:46]
asciilifeform:	my item has 1 metal layer, so i didn't ask. but i'd expect moar layers, cost extra.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu:	otherwise it'd be pretty scary.	[11:47]
asciilifeform:	mailing it back an' forth per layer, would be annoying	[11:47]
asciilifeform:	if yer thing is multilayered you'd ideally have the microscopy done in same house.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu:	scary enough as it is, the hopes of the us as to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722633 are entirely spurious. teh chinese have long reversed all us military chips.	[11:48]
a111:	Logged on 2017-10-08 14:18 mircea_popescu: " The Saudis will not be able to link the S-400 with Saudis current (US and Europe-sourced) infrastructure, nor will they be able to connect the S-400 with US systems." << says who the everloving fuck.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu:	~only reason the saudis even bought the crap in the first place.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform ofcourse.	[11:48]
asciilifeform:	idk that usg any longer even uses items not of chinese make to begin with	[11:48]
mircea_popescu:	the rocketry chips are made in like vermont at considerable expense	[11:49]
asciilifeform:	at least in 1980s they were. nfi re nao.	[11:49]
mircea_popescu:	80s iirc east coast.	[11:49]
asciilifeform:	half the reason for the ultra-dense vlsi thing , i suspect, is to make reversing a headache	[11:50]
asciilifeform:	( rather than 'performance' or whatever nonsense )	[11:50]
mircea_popescu:	myeah	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	also gotta distinguish b/w the 2 types of reversing ( did we have thread ? ) -- sov-style clone is CONSIDERABLY easier than proper logical reverse	[11:51]
mircea_popescu:	performance of the density kind is an anti-model for rocketry. on the contrary, large, wide edge process like the z80s much better fit for space usage.	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	in the 'logical' sense , original z80 was only ~recently~ publicly reversed	[11:51]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform the chinese have teh manpower to do it, if organized.	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	i'd expect. the trick is that almost no one has ever any reason.	[11:52]
asciilifeform:	usually what is wanted is -- cheap local clone.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu:	national state aspirations.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu:	and in other adult women, http://78.media.tumblr.com/a27554aac9813b9b1975fef271f3a33e/tumblr_nl7z3wYWjR1tenemio1_1280.jpg	[11:52]
asciilifeform:	( in almost every case i can think of, 'design from 0' is cheaper than 'logical reverse'. so the latter is ~only done when you are specifically looking for weaknesses or otherwise items present only in the original , vs the spec )	[11:54]
mircea_popescu:	incidentally, it occurs to me, euroZONE is the perfect word for it, isn't it ?	[11:54]
mircea_popescu:	finally, the zone.	[11:54]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform they ARE looking for weaknesses. there's a reason usg lost south china sea.	[11:54]
asciilifeform:	большая зона (tm)(r)	[11:54]
mircea_popescu:	euroзона. perfect.	[11:54]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: i thought it 'lost' because noballs ( rather than rockets-not-rockety-enuff )	[11:55]
* mircea_popescu	will use this henceforth to distinguish the item from europe.	[11:55]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform so let me get this straight : you think beta loves his cock cage because "no balls", and NOT because "small cock" ? these are somehow different ?	[11:55]
mircea_popescu:	they had plenty of balls in 1990, if memory serves. even bombed belgrade.	[11:56]
asciilifeform:	dun need balls to bomb ~defenseless orcs	[11:56]
mircea_popescu:	so the balls and the penis are related ? i thought so!	[11:56]
mircea_popescu:	they've no balls cuz they've no penis and vice versa, and ultimately because no testosterone so every bit of soy sauce they pick up from environment makes the titties sag a little hurtlier.	[11:57]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735222 << returning briefly upstack, there's a 'seekrit' bit of hilarity : usg actually moving away from old, classic 'z80-style' dies, and into 'let's have modern density, so we can run javaturds, let ibm make 'space-grade' ppc , etc -- but that's ok, we'll use 8 in tandem '	[12:00]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:51 mircea_popescu: performance of the density kind is an anti-model for rocketry. on the contrary, large, wide edge process like the z80s much better fit for space usage.	[12:00]
asciilifeform:	asciilifeform discovered this when digging in recent ada lit	[12:00]
mircea_popescu:	kinda why the chinese have to take them apart.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu:	noyhing better than a door protected by 8 flawed locks.	[12:01]
asciilifeform:	hence the recent interest in 'what happens to crypto when single-event fault' etc	[12:01]
asciilifeform:	( if your cryptotron ~branches~ -- potentially very interesting things happen )	[12:02]
mircea_popescu:	would matter a lot more if the us actually used crypto.	[12:02]
asciilifeform:	they use plenty of 'crypto'	[12:03]
mircea_popescu:	somehow crypto discipline is impossible for military staffs. except for the okw, everyone has trouble with it, be the soviets talking to sub base or the ustards talking totheir "socialites" or w/e they call the tired old bags.	[12:04]
mircea_popescu:	i have nfi why or wherefore, it's about as counterintuitive as the coy behaviour in females.	[12:04]
asciilifeform:	senile old brezhnevs insisting on using plain vs crypto pnoje , yes. tho i was thinking of crypto in weapons systems and other unattended 'get magic packet, detonate' items.	[12:09]
mircea_popescu:	to explain ourselves : the coy behaviour is defined as the spurious pretense of sexual disinterest put forth by a universally-interested machine and it is counterproductive because while it does in fact increase (somewhat) the success with above-average value partners, it entirely ruins any perpsective of success with the highest value partners. that this may (arguable, and i doubt it) sum to positive over a larege populati	[12:10]
mircea_popescu:	on fails to overshadow the fact that individually speaking if you're going to sink nine months of blood + three of fat into the project, you totally fucking want the very very best available.	[12:10]
asciilifeform:	( in the 'detonate' case, it isn't clear what enemy gets from reversing your die if you used correctly-built publickeytronics )	[12:11]
mircea_popescu:	now, the generals are similar : for the benefit of "oh, it's directly readable" they lose out on the all-important, paramount consideration, "but not by the enemmy"	[12:11]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform i suspect the logical conclusion would be to say old men revert into dysfunctional womanhood.	[12:11]
asciilifeform:	this is ancient observation	[12:11]
asciilifeform:	incl. in old trilema	[12:11]
mircea_popescu:	i guess it is, at that.	[12:11]
mircea_popescu:	"sack all o10 and over that no longer have a supermodel mistress"	[12:12]
mircea_popescu:	it's inexplicable, to me at least, how virility is not part of the army qualifying list, btw. "this dude does not look hot naked and therefore can no longer be an army general. retired." seems perfectly mandatory for a fucking army.	[12:13]
asciilifeform:	sadly the head gives out 1st.	[12:15]
mircea_popescu:	it's a crapshot. sometimes, last. sometimes, first.	[12:15]
asciilifeform:	( and in many of these 'great leaders' , head was not the strongest organ to begin with )	[12:15]
mircea_popescu:	well... military men. it's like a profession. if your tax accountant sucks at go that doesn't necessarily disqualify him from his line of work.	[12:16]
* asciilifeform	digs, but fails to find link , re incident where jp attaches taught go to the german general staff, and they actually played, until the house with the boards was destroyed in bombing raid	[12:29]
asciilifeform:	there was even some interest in usa, 'learn the game that built the strategy of the enemy!11' lulz	[12:30]
ben_vulpes:	at least in usg, "fighting readiness" is both sexist and racist	[12:32]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: in any case it hasn't applied to generals ever since they stopped being expected to lead men on horseback into attack	[12:33]
asciilifeform:	modern general sits, wizened lbj, in bunker.	[12:33]
ben_vulpes:	modern infantryman sits, pimply snowden, driving 'big dog' from same	[12:34]
asciilifeform:	this'd be so if the army in the colour brochures were the actual usg army	[12:34]
asciilifeform:	as it is it barely can afford trucks that dun leak oil, much less any quantity of 'bigdog'	[12:34]
asciilifeform:	the fancy hardware that exists, is largely circa 1980s.	[12:34]
asciilifeform:	actually very closely resembles nazi army . yes, somewhere there is dr von braun with wunderwaffen. but mostly it's d00dz with old rifles.	[12:36]
ben_vulpes:	predator and phriendz seem to work fine, so long as nobody's spoofing gps	[12:36]
ben_vulpes:	but yes, this is 'leaking oil'	[12:37]
asciilifeform:	worx great against defenseless camels.	[12:37]
asciilifeform:	( 1940s-era propeller fighters also would. but these cost moar money, and you gotta train somebody to fly, etc )	[12:38]
asciilifeform:	!!up ang-st	[12:39]
ben_vulpes:	!!up ang-st	[12:39]
deedbot:	ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.	[12:39]
deedbot:	ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.	[12:39]
ben_vulpes:	who are you and what brings you by, ang-st ?	[12:39]
ang-st:	hi ben_vulpes	[12:39]
ang-st:	a random conversation in the internet	[12:40]
asciilifeform:	such detail	[12:40]
ang-st:	so i thought i might idle for a while, see what's going on	[12:40]
asciilifeform:	ang-st: how about link to the 'random conversation' ?	[12:40]
ang-st:	wow many question	[12:41]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: there are logs at http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema and btcbase.org/logs for the idling	[12:41]
ang-st:	ok i prefer grep than talking so, it will be fine	[12:42]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: logs have historical grep	[12:42]
ben_vulpes:	in other "random conversations": https://mechanicalmarkets.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/bitcoin-nemo-dat/	[12:42]
ang-st:	i guess the random guy having this random convo with me was davout	[12:43]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: link?	[12:43]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: mind-boggling, neh , 'i'm gonna idle for some entirely randomly selected several hours' 'why not read multi-year log' 'what's a log'	[12:43]
ang-st:	ben_vulpes: you're not on that channel and i guess it's priv8	[12:44]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: you guess? based on...?	[12:44]
ben_vulpes:	eyy davout what is this character going on about	[12:44]
ang-st:	the "coutume" there ?	[12:44]
ben_vulpes:	top seekrit irc channels omg how speshul	[12:45]
ang-st:	who said irc ?	[12:45]
ben_vulpes:	oh its some shambling modern browser monstrosity?	[12:46]
asciilifeform:	'if you’re worried you possess stolen coins and want to sell them, you may want to consult a lawyer first. The National Stolen Property Act could apply to intangible goods' << lol!!	[12:46]
ang-st:	ben_vulpes: worse	[12:46]
ben_vulpes:	asciilifeform: pretty amusing yeah?	[12:46]
ang-st:	kind of electon based client	[12:46]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: kinda exactly what i just said	[12:46]
asciilifeform:	'National Give Us Everything Or Heavenly Legions Shall Smite You Act' next.	[12:46]
ben_vulpes:	what, you think electron isn't fifteen packaged browsers?	[12:47]
shinohai:	lulzy asciilifeform	[12:47]
ang-st:	fitfteen .... juste one chromium	[12:47]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: the other day i observed 'slack' fail to inline a 7.4 meg gif because its authors are who they are	[12:47]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: inline ?	[12:48]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: per "slack group", ofc	[12:48]
ang-st:	you can problaly fail it in many way	[12:48]
ben_vulpes:	asciilifeform: where they show an image in the chat based on its link	[12:48]
ang-st:	even get a bounty if you're that kind of guy :)	[12:48]
ben_vulpes:	you know, the sort of thing that web pages do normally, but that js idiots can't figure out how to do	[12:48]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: iirc thing has 'chrome' internally, so displaying a 8M gif prolly eats 8G	[12:49]
ang-st:	you can have also perfect asshole in C	[12:49]
ben_vulpes:	> because its authors are who they are	[12:49]
ang-st:	i was about to says rust :)	[12:49]
ben_vulpes:	gotta say, i've never seen the perfect asshole	[12:49]
asciilifeform:	ang-st: asshole in C << koch, drepper, et al. but they're old and they ain't making more, for some reason.	[12:50]
ang-st:	asciilifeform: i think you can grab a bunch that are pretty active	[12:51]
ben_vulpes:	ang-st: anyways, the way this place works is that you register a gpg key with deedbot, and then maybe someone gives you provisional membership in the list of folks that can give themselves speaking privileges	[12:51]
ben_vulpes:	good idea to do that sooner rather than later provisional ratings are easy to come by for the newcomer who registers quickly, less so for the obstinate/self-important	[12:52]
ang-st:	will rtfm the stuff	[12:53]
ben_vulpes:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733631 << it occurred to me that the fortification model is entirely unsuited for war against the megastate. correct approach here is "we can deliver munitions anywhere within $city, even to a mobile individual."	[12:57]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-07 20:01 asciilifeform: observe, the problem dun exist if you already have your own pyongyang and can happily put a megawatt station there and invite whoever objects, to pound sand up his arse	[12:57]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: sorta was the impetus for asciilifeform's entire q -- can haz transoceanic radio that scales down to, e.g., suitcase	[12:58]
ben_vulpes:	"and for as long as your citizens run free 802.* rebroadcasters, we're going to be utterly uninterdictable"	[12:58]
ben_vulpes:	asciilifeform: i absolutely understand	[12:59]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735271 << a general is a staff position, he sits on hill next to artillery not charges with cavalry. that's colonel at most.	[13:00]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in any case it hasn't applied to generals ever since they stopped being expected to lead men on horseback into attack	[13:00]
asciilifeform:	bbut napoleon!11	[13:01]
mircea_popescu:	but physically decrepit general, especially when no good disease excuse, is kinda like gouty priest. evidently -- not doing his job.	[13:01]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735275 << hey, they traded in the frigates for "litteral completely sunk"s, somehow missing entirely the sad irony of blue-sea-unworthy frigate.	[13:02]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:34 asciilifeform: as it is it barely can afford trucks that dun leak oil, much less any quantity of 'bigdog'	[13:02]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735297 << ah, are you the dev.to guy ?	[13:08]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:43 ang-st: i guess the random guy having this random convo with me was davout	[13:08]
ang-st:	!!register http://vmpg.tetaneutral.net/keys.asc	[13:09]
deedbot:	F6859D5B0BD80C6F8B19A07DD64423DB580E6CFB registered as ang-st.	[13:09]
mircea_popescu:	!!up ang-st	[13:10]
deedbot:	ang-st voiced for 30 minutes.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735296 << studiously ignored the "nobody holds any title to any bitcoin" portions of http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.311 final and dispositive ruling on the matter.	[13:10]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 17:42 ben_vulpes: in other "random conversations": https://mechanicalmarkets.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/bitcoin-nemo-dat/	[13:10]
mircea_popescu:	but yes, one'd fully expect pretend-sovereigns of the fiat ilk to arbitrarily assign themselves title in bitcoin. why the hell not, they've assinged themselves "representativity" of "society" and "justice" and "the environment" and so forth.	[13:11]
asciilifeform:	if 'all land belongs to the crown', and 'sea belongs', and 'radio spectrum belongs', etc. why not also bitcoin.	[13:12]
asciilifeform:	moon, stars.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu:	if all the "here's the usg-bitcoin, accept it in exchange" doesn't work as it hasn't with ripple/ethereum/bitcoin-core/crash/whatever, the only remaining avenue is the idly papal claim to "all the bitcoins".	[13:13]
mircea_popescu:	of course, the original pope trying for this ended up going around barefoot in the snow to beg forgiveness.	[13:13]
ben_vulpes:	mircea_popescu: lol see comments	[13:13]
mircea_popescu:	ben_vulpes ah lol.	[13:14]
asciilifeform:	'how many divisions has the pope?' (tm)(r)(iosif vissarionovich)	[13:14]
davout:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735350 <<< stopped at first paragraph	[13:15]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 18:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735296 << studiously ignored the "nobody holds any title to any bitcoin" portions of http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.311 final and dispositive ruling on the matter.	[13:15]
davout:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735344 <<< nah	[13:16]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735297 << ah, are you the dev.to guy ?	[13:16]
mircea_popescu:	basically it's a whole pile of "how could i reinterpret the world through my firmly held notions of biblical truth". this is nice and good, provided a large solid comedy goldmine for the whole 1800s, "darwinism debate" still ongoing in particularily protected corners of the swamp.	[13:16]
ben_vulpes:	!!rate ang-st 1 apparently knows a good idea when he hears one	[13:17]
deedbot:	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4oIY9/?raw=true	[13:17]
ben_vulpes:	!!v C6181F2FC66C392C917F45AEF91C73BDF0CFF5E2D030A3D6BC3E760BA3618123	[13:17]
deedbot:	ben_vulpes rated ang-st 1 << apparently knows a good idea when he hears one	[13:17]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st 'sce-que c'est cet "tetraneutral" ?	[13:18]
ben_vulpes:	tetaneutral heh	[13:18]
ben_vulpes:	neutral tits!	[13:18]
davout:	!!rate ang-st 1 didn't run away screaming in the first ten minutes	[13:18]
ang-st:	a non profit isp	[13:18]
deedbot:	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xnTbq/?raw=true	[13:18]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[13:18]
mircea_popescu:	do you have like what, a rack in toulouse ?	[13:18]
davout:	!!v 8F3CBEB97CA6214773072EEE5840B31547F40F9A85B2EA9C1C4D017E2ACF84F7	[13:18]
deedbot:	davout rated ang-st 1 << didn't run away screaming in the first ten minutes	[13:18]
mircea_popescu:	ben_vulpes funny thing, i read a r in there.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu:	apparently #tetaneutral.net	[13:19]
ang-st:	mircea_popescu: no we have our own AS, 2 kind of DC room a 10G line	[13:19]
mircea_popescu:	where, this ?	[13:19]
ang-st:	toulouse south of france	[13:20]
mircea_popescu:	both dcs ?	[13:20]
ang-st:	well we have a true DC room, and an "assocative" one (as in french term association which stand for non profit org)	[13:21]
mircea_popescu:	what's that, like the old style interchange room ?	[13:22]
ang-st:	mostly a room located in a legaluzed squat	[13:22]
ang-st:	legalized*	[13:22]
mircea_popescu:	right.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu:	any interest in getting a rack or two in a similar squat somewhere in the colonies, algerie, morocco, whatever ?	[13:23]
ang-st:	well, that's kind of stuff that you might talk at #tetaneutral.net	[13:24]
mircea_popescu:	also : any interest in moving your associates registration to the already existing and well developed deedbot WoT infrastrcture ? payments via same system, in bitcoin ?	[13:24]
ang-st:	well i tried to push for bitcoin at some point, but didn't get many support	[13:25]
mircea_popescu:	as it happens we're right in the middle of building republican infrastructure, in principle at least as to what meets the eye very similar to whart you have there.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st consider how this works here : http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%21%21pay and http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%21%21withdraw	[13:26]
mircea_popescu:	consider also the whole WoT infrastructure ( http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and say http://wot.deedbot.org )	[13:27]
ang-st:	might work if most of our users were tech savy, but tbh the way it goes actually it would be a burden if mandatory or simply ignored beside some folks in any other cases	[13:29]
mircea_popescu:	but your partners ? not tech savy either ?	[13:29]
mircea_popescu:	or is the idea here that user=partner	[13:29]
ang-st:	well you might give a try :-)	[13:32]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st there's a matter of scope here, your => 4652.00 (total en moyenne mensuelle) is 2/3 or so of the random advance pushed out to one purveyor of eventual tmsr.isp. the republic is indeed mighty in this sense meanwhile there's also an ideological rub, the republic is dedicatedly elitist whereas from what i see the whole point of this tetaneutral thing is to support specifically those-who-should-not-be-permitted-online,	[13:32]
mircea_popescu:	ie the makers of the endless september, the " a burden if mandatory or simply ignored".	[13:32]
ang-st:	but i think it's a bit early	[13:32]
ang-st:	in people mind	[13:32]
mircea_popescu:	i don't know yet, there might be something here.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st early how do you mean ? i see it's >6 yo by now.	[13:33]
ang-st:	how long beetween the seminal RSA paper and it's widespread use ?	[13:33]
mircea_popescu:	i don't consider rsa was used until we started using it.	[13:34]
ang-st:	:)	[13:34]
mircea_popescu:	so what, 3 decades.	[13:34]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform you wanna send one box on an adventure to these folk ?	[13:35]
asciilifeform:	sure	[13:35]
asciilifeform:	tho fr is nearly as 'good' as usa afaik	[13:35]
mircea_popescu:	just about. but hey. what you got in stock ?	[13:35]
ang-st:	my point is crypto concept are still miles away from general public (and i consider most user of ttnn as general public)	[13:35]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: me ? i have the 3 pilot boxen as prev. catalogued. or you meant him	[13:35]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st my point, conversely, is that the general public is as human as the population of holstein cattle. nobody cares nor ever will.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform i meant you. name one, what was it ? opteron what ?	[13:36]
ang-st:	sorry dunno the reference	[13:36]
ang-st:	ok got ir	[13:37]
mircea_popescu:	http://s3-wp-lyleprintingandp.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/27160428/holstein-record-Ever-Green-View-My-Gold-ET.jpg << holstein cow.	[13:37]
ang-st:	it*	[13:37]
* asciilifeform	digs in log. could've sworn i posted the specs	[13:37]
ang-st:	i feel that considering people as cow, or what ever, isn't a good way to make line move	[13:39]
ang-st:	juste an easy way to feel "high level"	[13:39]
mircea_popescu:	well, also a cheap explanation as to why there's "flat earth" believers to this day. but we digress.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v with the challenge string	[13:40]
asciilifeform:	i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .	[13:40]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo et al ^	[13:40]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st so what'd it cost me for you folks to host 1 sealed box, containing an opteron 6376 as above, cool it and feed it its required wattage and bw ?	[13:41]
asciilifeform:	each is of 1U physical dimension.	[13:41]
mircea_popescu:	wd.	[13:46]
ang-st:	needed some time to figure out otp stuff	[13:47]
mircea_popescu:	yeah. worth it, esp if you keep your key secure, as perfect identity online.	[13:47]
ang-st:	mircea_popescu: question@tetaneutral.net it you want to put a box there	[13:48]
mircea_popescu:	im not going to use email.	[13:48]
ang-st:	irc ? :)	[13:48]
mircea_popescu:	working with the republic is entirely dependent on working ON republican methods.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu:	yeah, irc.	[13:48]
ang-st:	well consider them neighboor with different coutume :)	[13:49]
ben_vulpes:	doesn't make the scytale an acceptable cipher	[13:49]
mircea_popescu:	sure. but im not going there.	[13:49]
ang-st:	np :)	[13:50]
* mircea_popescu	recently went to limon, on the basis of one chick observing "Hey, most of the local girls we fuck are actually from limon! maybe check out the source ?" then couldn't find either an acceptable restaurant or hotel, so turned the capsule back and returned home.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu:	limon is thereby a neighbourhood with a different coutume, which is to say eating huge platters of badly done teriyaki and thinking "hotel" is "i built some rooms atop the garage myself and will permit vagabonds to crash there".	[13:51]
ang-st:	if it works for them, i'm fine with it, anyway i would not follow their architectural advises, that's it :)	[13:56]
ang-st:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735401 https://chiliproject.tetaneutral.net/projects/tetaneutral/wiki/Valeurs as a quick translate of main obecjtives i would say, lawfull privacy (we can't protect you from french authority), net neutrality , at your will price	[14:11]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 18:32 mircea_popescu: ang-st there's a matter of scope here, your => 4652.00 (total en moyenne mensuelle) is 2/3 or so of the random advance pushed out to one purveyor of eventual tmsr.isp. the republic is indeed mighty in this sense meanwhile there's also an ideological rub, the republic is dedicatedly elitist whereas from what i see the whole point of this tetaneutral thing is to support specifically those-who-should-not-be-permitted-online,	[14:11]
ang-st:	i would add, volunteer based and best effort support	[14:11]
ang-st:	we alreeady forked as the structure was to big	[14:12]
ang-st:	ie we mostly need volunteer no cash :)	[14:12]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st protection from whatever soi-dissant "government" or whatever is not being contemplated at any point. what is being contemplated is not protecting the pretend-government itself from its own actions. so if it steals a box, that's fine, we shall say "the so and so illegitimate criminal gang stole so and so republican property" and that's that. no us-style "secrecy" is the whole story.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu:	at this phase, interdicting the socialist mind's self-misrepresentations is quite sufficient.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu:	also support is not sought, i don't think, if by support you mean manpower as opposed to you know, cooling. (if the latter, there's really 0 interest in a "best effort dc / someone's house".)	[14:17]
mircea_popescu:	what'd those volunteers do ?	[14:17]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: very, very basic 'support' can't really be gone without -- 'pull disk #5 and put this-here that i mailed you in', 'tell this new box its ip', 'yank the box and mail to me, i'm going home' etc.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform satellite node anyway, mostly there to judge the crowd than anything.	[14:19]
asciilifeform:	and needless to say none of these happen unless valid pgpgram	[14:19]
asciilifeform:	otherwise any derp can 'hey mail me this machine'	[14:19]
mircea_popescu:	heh.	[14:19]
ang-st:	well ..on isp side deploy wifi networks, on hosting/core network side admin stuff, some amdinstrative task, troll (or not) in irc, move to local event ...	[14:20]
ang-st:	have lunch and beer sometime :)	[14:20]
ang-st:	+s	[14:20]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st most of those would be best recruited in a cafe in toulouse neh ? 80% or more of whatthey do being physical presence	[14:20]
ang-st:	well ssh is marvellous but phy stuff of course	[14:20]
ang-st:	event with a jet you can't be faster than a local motivated guy	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	sooo... it's not directly obvious how having money would increase teh volunteers 10fold ?	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	after all, the google "Volunteers" are there for the cafeteria.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	in other lulz, http://lesplanade.org/ that link of liaisons isn't that maintained is it ?	[14:22]
asciilifeform:	lol spamola	[14:23]
mircea_popescu:	ang-st incidentally, what happened on march 2015 ? pretty much broke the organisation, what was it, the usual "colectif socialiste" internal quarrel and split ? who left ?	[14:23]
ang-st:	2 different area, 2 different problematic and the wish to go "for profit" ie build a company on top, create billed jobs	[14:24]
ang-st:	for once	[14:24]
ang-st:	for one*	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	so basically the more active folks took off and made their own corp ? is it still in business ?	[14:25]
ang-st:	so org meeting, vote, next	[14:25]
ang-st:	yup	[14:25]
ang-st:	it deploy in a "zone blanche"	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	what's that ?	[14:25]
ang-st:	area without broadband intenet	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	ah	[14:25]
ang-st:	middle mountain	[14:25]
ang-st:	so basically there are the only one here	[14:26]
ang-st:	hence to much demands	[14:26]
mircea_popescu:	https://chiliproject.tetaneutral.net/projects/tetaneutral << is my search broken or are you not in there ?	[14:26]
ang-st:	i you look my gpg metadata, you'll see me mentioned as cofounder elsewhere	[14:27]
ang-st:	if*	[14:27]
ang-st:	anyway there many people that are more involved than me in the project now	[14:28]
mircea_popescu:	i see.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu:	what metadata am i looking at, some email off digitalservice.group ?	[14:29]
ang-st:	look a bit more than dns	[14:30]
ang-st:	:)	[14:30]
mircea_popescu:	https://zebitcoin.com/gb/ << "buy and sell bitcoin with credit card". this... sounds like 2012!	[14:30]
ang-st:	haha	[14:30]
ang-st:	agreed	[14:30]
ang-st:	pretty ugly, almost robust, good to go on business	[14:31]
mircea_popescu:	i have my doubts re that last point, but glwith it!	[14:31]
ang-st:	well i have some not to be release numbers that would prove you wrong :)	[14:32]
ang-st:	but nevermind	[14:32]
mircea_popescu:	aite then.	[14:33]
asciilifeform:	meanwhile in entomologies, http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/loser.gif	[14:39]
asciilifeform:	( http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/ quite interesting find, incl. massive symbolics lm pile . phf , do you know who he is ? )	[14:40]
mircea_popescu:	jesus they make shitty tables now	[14:40]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: i have nfi, could be theatrical	[14:41]
* mircea_popescu	has credible oak desk, can pound to satisfaction. improves the furnioture in the process	[14:41]
asciilifeform:	1860620 gcc-1.42.tar.gz << such nostalg	[14:42]
ben_vulpes:	that is not a table, that is finely spun chineseium	[14:42]
ben_vulpes:	more of a tent	[14:42]
ben_vulpes:	> simcity2000.sit	[14:43]
asciilifeform:	massive collection of rarities and rubbish both	[14:44]
asciilifeform:	e.g. http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera	[14:44]
mircea_popescu:	nice find	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	sadly most of it is stuff that was on the cd set	[14:45]
mircea_popescu:	ancient gcc surely wasnt lol	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	i meant the bolix	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	but the rest -- yes, variously interesting	[14:46]
asciilifeform:	( even something for vax )	[14:46]
asciilifeform:	http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/tape/ asciilifeform never had	[14:47]
ben_vulpes:	genera/tape/Genera 5.2/Sources/	[14:47]
ben_vulpes:	sounds interesting, is that a commonly shared thing, the sources?	[14:47]
asciilifeform:	i have nfi if these sources are subset, superset, or same as the ones on the cd	[14:47]
ben_vulpes:	(assuming they are source code)	[14:47]
ben_vulpes:	what is "the cd"?	[14:47]
asciilifeform:	the one dks gave out to all junk buyers. it is also on warez ( on 'piratebay' to this day afaik )	[14:48]
ben_vulpes:	ah	[14:48]
mircea_popescu:	and in other great antiques from known sources, https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/real_men_want_to_drink_guinnes.html	[14:48]
scriba:	TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url)	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	umm	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	eggog?	[14:48]
mircea_popescu:	Framedragger ^	[14:48]
mircea_popescu:	prolly triefd to archive it	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/GENERA_8_3.iso seems to be a copy of selfsame cd	[14:49]
asciilifeform:	http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/layered-products.ISO was also in the box	[14:49]
asciilifeform:	and the other isos.	[14:49]
asciilifeform:	i'ma see if they match mine some time later when i can be arsed.	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: the classical cd shipped with sources, but not for some of the more interesting items (e.g. 'ns' chip and pcb layout cad systemolade of various sorts (e.g. fep) etc )	[14:51]
ben_vulpes:	what means 'fep'?	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	frontendprocessor	[14:53]
ben_vulpes:	and 'ns'?	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	lispm had a board dedicated just to bringing up the lispm proper on boot. had equiv. of sun workstation of the time, in there	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	'ns' was their in-house cad thing, 100% lisp	[14:53]
ben_vulpes:	oh sweet	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	they did own chip layout , pcb, mechanicals, glass, etc.	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	see also old threads, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631477 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1578026	[14:55]
a111:	Logged on 2017-03-23 03:09 asciilifeform: well, starting with the crown jewels , and down :	[14:55]
a111:	Logged on 2016-12-05 17:01 phf: asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split.	[14:55]
trinque:	ah, had its own intel management engine eh?	[14:56]
mircea_popescu:	:p	[14:56]
asciilifeform:	lol	[14:56]
mircea_popescu:	don't say that, you'll hurt butts.	[14:56]
trinque:	loller	[14:57]
mircea_popescu:	(but -- very much yes. the reason "glories of the past" are glories of the past is that they were killed before grew teeth.)	[14:57]
asciilifeform:	it was possible to actually program the fep tho	[14:57]
asciilifeform:	( machine started 'in' it )	[14:57]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform and on original facebook it was possible to yoy know, own your dribblings.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu:	!#s bait and switch technology	[14:58]
a111:	0 results for "bait and switch technology", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bait%20and%20switch%20technology	[14:58]
mircea_popescu:	orly.	[14:58]
asciilifeform:	( orig lm had no concept whatsoever of seekoority, or even multiple users, i'm almost surprised mircea_popescu was not quick to remind of this )	[14:59]
mircea_popescu:	i am not a hater, im a loler.	[14:59]
asciilifeform:	it was pretty lulzy 'money is no object' baroque arch	[14:59]
shinohai:	A copy of gcc 1.42 lol	[14:59]
asciilifeform:	console had equiv. of workstation cpu at the time ~just for sound~ etc	[15:00]
asciilifeform:	shinohai: i'm mirroring whole thing	[15:01]
asciilifeform:	(offline, for nao, until isp day)	[15:01]
shinohai:	I think I shall too ... depending on size I can likely put on btcinfo server	[15:02]
asciilifeform:	http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/3630/ http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/3640/ << moar bolixisms.	[15:02]
asciilifeform:	even some rom images, loox like.	[15:02]
phf:	asciilifeform: that's josh dersch, he's a seattle retro computing enthusiast. specifically he works on hardware restoration (including a symbolics) for paul alan's http://www.livingcomputers.org, i've met him once or twice	[15:06]
asciilifeform:	aa neato	[15:06]
mircea_popescu:	oh, which reminds me, we were going to rent a machinem from some similarily located enthusiast's "museum"	[15:07]
asciilifeform:	hm?	[15:07]
mircea_popescu:	but since we've done all the talking about it that could be done that's that, i take it ? nuts.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform lemme dig it out	[15:07]
phf:	i suspect the sources in question are just dumps from iso, i.e. the high level stuff. i'm positive that he doesn't have the bits that you actually want (i.e. the bedrock code)	[15:07]
asciilifeform:	phf: he has a bunch of tape images, i've none, at some point i'ma comb'em	[15:08]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692956 << thereabouts.	[15:09]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-02 22:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any chance you check out this "people's comp museum" next seattle trip ?	[15:09]
asciilifeform:	i dun expect to find ns src for the cpu, but could theoretically find pinout or even data re pcb , which is almost as good	[15:09]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1693046 specifically.	[15:09]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-02 22:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gNGre/?raw=true	[15:09]
asciilifeform:	hey ben_vulpes you ever made it to that museum ?	[15:10]
ben_vulpes:	haven't made it to seattle in quite some time, no	[15:10]
mircea_popescu:	sorry, meant http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1693044	[15:11]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-02 22:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : i just brokered a deal whereby we could in principle get candi to run off vintage iron, as a hosting deal :D	[15:11]
ben_vulpes:	was that predicated on stopping in at the vintage museum?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu:	not at all.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu:	was predicated on guy showing up here and closing.	[15:13]
ben_vulpes:	a, ok	[15:13]
ben_vulpes:	well i don't remember that happening, so i'm pretty sure that it didn't.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu:	but whatever, erryone's going to continue in this "i will wait until the world conforms to my webpage and sends email according to my own bureaucratic misrepresentations" elliotism until they fall over.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu:	the obvious similarity to the above-discussed coy behaviour entirely hush hush in the fem-bois.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu:	"it works sorta-better for the above average and so what if i 100% miss out on the high sigma events!!!"	[15:15]
asciilifeform:	ain't that the whole 'female' strategy in compact algo ? 'guaranteed catch of bag of tiny fishes, in return for 0 chance of whale'	[15:19]
mircea_popescu:	type b female strategy, yes.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu:	the sort that then asks the queen of sparta things.	[15:20]
asciilifeform:	hey phf what do you suppose is the mtbf of a present-day bolix 'xl' ?	[15:22]
mircea_popescu:	these got disk-fixed tho. so conceivably years.	[15:22]
asciilifeform:	they did. still remains the issue of electrolytic caps tho	[15:23]
asciilifeform:	iirc	[15:23]
mircea_popescu:	mildest failure possible.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu:	heck, i thought people pre-emptively replaced those anyway	[15:23]
asciilifeform:	depends how it barfs. on some misfortunate boxes cap failure leads to nukeage of ics.	[15:23]
asciilifeform:	hence the q. how often can it be expected to melt down. and how recoverable after meltdown.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu:	nothing forces you to only change it after it explodes like carribean minds.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu:	can change periodically, can change on the basis of heatmap...	[15:24]
asciilifeform:	this is indeed tru, not so long ago i recapped an... opteron	[15:24]
asciilifeform:	( recall article )	[15:24]
mircea_popescu:	modern toyota mtbf as measured on costa rica highway is ~6 months.	[15:24]
asciilifeform:	that's pretty good	[15:24]
mircea_popescu:	cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu:	guy on hill had cracks in support wall for months and months. built new wall after massive rain left with portion of his courtyard.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu:	not before, god damned it, "waste" concrete on not-collapsed fence, it's uncatholic.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu:	(and in lulz of all time : laid bricks in, leaving space to pour reinforced concrete pillars later. not the other way around. because... EASIER THIS WAY!!!)	[15:26]
asciilifeform:	lol orc engineering	[15:26]
mircea_popescu:	quite.	[15:27]
asciilifeform:	pretty sure i saw a similar 'genius' in timis	[15:27]
mircea_popescu:	he's optimised for his own scope.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu:	hot damn	[15:29]
mircea_popescu:	"There's a gigantic error in the ad, yet to most people the ad is totally believable, like this is a hidden camera vid, this error is invisible to them and if this error was corrected this ad would have never been possible. Do you see it? Why didn't one of these "men" just walk her to her car? Three guys, not one thought of this? She's under your umbrella and your natural instinct was not to protect, to help? So wrap	[15:29]
mircea_popescu:	ped up in what it all means and power imbalances that you couldn't just... behave? Ok, forget about chivalry-- out of sheer selfishness, a hail mary longshot? Sure, no expectations, but what the hell, let's see where it goes, maybe she'll ask you out for a Guinness? Were you so insulted by her "entitlement" that you couldn't just try? Or so flustered because a woman that you have stripped of her ordinary humanity and forc	[15:29]
mircea_popescu:	ed her to be a symbol of value chose to be near you, your brain couldn't figure out what to do next? In which case her decision to leave you for another umbrella was astutely correct, odd how she and the commercial knew that. All men are good for is an umbrella because she cannot rely on men to act like... men."	[15:29]
mircea_popescu:	i'm like converted to tlpism again.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu:	the whole time im sitting there going "Wtf why not just walk her to her god damned car, all this management for 10 steps, what are these dudes, planets moving by immutable laws ?!"	[15:30]
mircea_popescu:	but they fucking are. can not act. gotta elliot. "WHY NONE OF THESE GIRLS TALK TO ME!!1" "did you talk to them ?"	[15:30]
mircea_popescu:	"i need uber for someone else's bored dad to take me to ballet practice this is muchly preferable to talking to my own."	[15:31]
BingoBoingo:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735101 << Flouroplastics make the best fishing line	[15:32]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:19 asciilifeform: there are other fluoroplastics , that are easier to work / other desirable parameters tweaked	[15:32]
BingoBoingo:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735116 < Nah, what you want is aluminum bronze	[15:32]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:23 asciilifeform: surgical steel would also work	[15:32]
mircea_popescu:	who the fuck thinks this is "technology" ?! it's not fucking technology, it's elaborate psycho-orthopedics.	[15:32]
BingoBoingo:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735161 << Closer to 10 for only snake that matters to own. Anything more ~75 to rent drain machine or special ~18 toilet snake	[15:32]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:36 mircea_popescu: so buy a snake, big whoop. 20 bux at BingoBoingo 's store.	[15:32]
BingoBoingo:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735163 << If house is defective in this way throne comes apart. 2 ~20 kilo lifts	[15:32]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 16:36 asciilifeform: but you also gotta be able and willing to lift the throne ( old houses in usa have no cleanplug ) etc.	[15:32]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: the ad in question seems to have vanished ?	[16:06]
asciilifeform:	( at any rate it dun load )	[16:06]
mircea_popescu:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Ft-3bmUcE	[16:08]
mircea_popescu:	googletards gotta be special.	[16:08]
asciilifeform:	ok worx ty	[16:08]
asciilifeform:	lol plasticar	[16:08]
mircea_popescu:	toyotallac.	[16:08]
asciilifeform:	mercehonda	[16:09]
mircea_popescu:	but ballas' point is fundamentally sound : the "fridge logic" moment on ~the absence of which~ the whole multi-mn attempt rests is... it WILL NOT occur to you to propose to her.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu:	anything, no matter the circumstances, whitebread ustard can be RELIED ON not to do.	[16:10]
ben_vulpes:	well i mean look what happens when you do propose! https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/pennsylvania-man-gouged-out-teens-eyes-and-broke-her-neck-when-she-refused-to-marry-him/	[16:10]
mircea_popescu:	...	[16:11]
ben_vulpes:	only a terrorist would proposition a woman	[16:11]
mircea_popescu:	weird, cuz the majority of terrorists are beta male rejects in their originating society.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu:	girls there put out ~on par with any other girls but the future terrorist DOES NOT ASK because, just like every other eventual elliot, DOES NOT PERCEIVE he might.	[16:12]
asciilifeform:	reads more like pcp doper than 'terrorist'	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	because whatever, "his daddy's not rich enough". honey we can't afford another kid, as if THAT is how it goes.	[16:12]
asciilifeform:	from same rag, 'The man accused of tackling Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and breaking his ribs as he was mowing his lawn pleaded not guilty on Thursday to a misdemeanor assault charge, a court official said.'	[16:13]
mircea_popescu:	get this : arab 30yos with no wealth (sheep, camels, women) and no prospects, fascinated by eg chet (happenstantially i was the definitive arab world aspirational immage, young man with older white woman in tow) talked TO ME about it. not to her.	[16:13]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: how did it go? 'can i borrow this' ?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu:	nope, not at all. more like "what bands do you like", in the transparently/invisible hopes that if got right, who knows, maybe has a chance IN A DISTANT AND ABSENT FUTURE	[16:14]
mircea_popescu:	what the beta boi wants from the inadvertent oracle is ... a score.	[16:15]
asciilifeform:	lol, 'hey we like the same type of pie, yes you can borrow my chix' ?!	[16:15]
mircea_popescu:	no, he didn't want this one. he wanted an absent one.	[16:15]
asciilifeform:	the one kept in spare tyre compartment ? or where	[16:15]
mircea_popescu:	meanwhile in the "uber repressive" society i had no problem checking out the women's tits while they breastfed, as an act of public intimacy, to not discuss private intimacy. cuz i DIDN'T ask -- not their "owner" males, and generally no one.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	the pinnacle of this being that at one point in the subway -- gender segregated, you get it ? -- we got in the first car (women only!!) which made the gals chuckle and teh guys get REALLY bothered, one car over.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform one allah keeps in his fate compartment for him, da fuck do i know. the problem with masturbators is that the imago must not gain carnality.	[16:17]
asciilifeform:	btw i realized today that 'задрот' does not properly translate to eng	[16:17]
asciilifeform:	it isn't exactly 'wanker'	[16:18]
mircea_popescu:	"she's no longer hot! why does she have an abdominal fold ??" "cuz she's a woman" "that's not what i saw on bangbros" "yes, well, they only film some angles"	[16:18]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform romanian word is "zadar", "waste"	[16:18]
asciilifeform:	neh but see задрот is specifically 'terminal masturbator'	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	as in the kind where 'the imago must not gain carnality' etc	[16:19]
mircea_popescu:	not same root as за даръ ?	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	nope	[16:19]
mircea_popescu:	ah ok	[16:20]
asciilifeform:	from дрочить	[16:20]
asciilifeform:	( to wank )	[16:20]
asciilifeform:	( i suspect a europistani root there, but nfi from whom specifically it came )	[16:20]
shinohai:	!!rated whaack	[16:21]
deedbot:	shinohai has not rated whaack.	[16:21]
shinohai:	hmmm	[16:21]
shinohai:	!!rate whaack 1 we did spanish stuff. #trilema	[16:22]
deedbot:	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ScWmz/?raw=true	[16:22]
shinohai:	!!v 8EC99BF711E7CE3F30D74C32199A4EB21C8FBF10DB602AF13F9D6DA97420DCD9	[16:25]
deedbot:	shinohai rated whaack 1 << we did spanish stuff. #trilema	[16:25]
shinohai:	Of course it's suspicious activity report, duh! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KNgVS/?raw=true	[16:29]
mircea_popescu:	in other strangely related insane nonsense, https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/tom%20ford%20penis.jpg	[16:41]
mircea_popescu:	"who the fuck would rub penis scent on himself ?" "a woman" "and who else ?"	[16:42]
shinohai:	Nah they fucked that up	[16:43]
shinohai:	If yer gonna sell penis scent, you target traps and fags	[16:43]
mircea_popescu:	or cubical drones with a vp prospect.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu:	everyone else, either has it or knows where to get it.	[16:43]
shinohai:	xD	[16:43]
mircea_popescu:	in which vein, "why does this place smell of dick ?!" "i farted."	[16:44]
asciilifeform:	!#s boar mate	[17:03]
a111:	1 result for "boar mate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boar%20mate	[17:03]
ben_vulpes:	now that the washington post has enshrined the notion that allegations are sufficient to disqualify candidates from races in america, how long d'you figure it'll take before the bitcoin bounties for allegations leading to exit of democrats from campaigns crops up?	[17:21]
trinque:	"be the change you want to see" !	[17:22]
ben_vulpes:	aha but ho damn also louis ck now purged from hollywoo as well	[17:26]
ben_vulpes:	clearly the women are winning!	[17:26]
trinque:	lol always with the "and then he started jacking off in front of me!"	[17:30]
mircea_popescu:	which one is this one ?	[17:32]
trinque:	fat cuck whose whole routine amounts to "dude guys not cool" and feigning exasperation from pantsuit perspective	[17:39]
trinque:	so, of course wanted to wet his diaper in front of women or w/e	[17:39]
mircea_popescu:	ah	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	in other news, i just had a conversation with a bird.	[17:46]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735695 << how dumb would somebody have to be to send $goodies to dnc and expect btc back ?	[17:46]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 22:21 ben_vulpes: now that the washington post has enshrined the notion that allegations are sufficient to disqualify candidates from races in america, how long d'you figure it'll take before the bitcoin bounties for allegations leading to exit of democrats from campaigns crops up?	[17:46]
asciilifeform:	or rnc or whatever fiatolade people	[17:46]
mircea_popescu:	the national bird of costa rica is some kind of thrush. he's splendid, bright yellow and things. and his call is like teep-te-deep. teep-teep.	[17:46]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: is this the dead hdd bird ? or other	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	very fucking hysterical. so i mocked it, and it... ANSWERED!	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform different.	[17:51]
ben_vulpes:	nah asciilifeform moar like "step forward with allegations against $senator, get btc if they withdraw. first 5 to <strike>draw on their tits</strike> get documented media exposure get a bitcent	[17:59]
asciilifeform:	ben_vulpes: again who would be dumb enough to blow btc on this ? and who dumb enough to believe in the promise of btc for this	[17:59]
asciilifeform:	do you , personally care , ben_vulpes , which muppet 'withdraws' and is replaced by which other muppet ?	[18:00]
asciilifeform:	i can't say that i do	[18:00]
ben_vulpes:	who would be dumb enough to blow btc emplacing $box at $location either	[18:02]
asciilifeform:	box, nominally, ~does~ something	[18:02]
ben_vulpes:	promise from nobody worth nothing, promise backed by the republic worth more than anything dnc can ever offer.	[18:03]
asciilifeform:	near as i can tell, 'which senator' matters approx the same amount as 'which wrestler'	[18:03]
ben_vulpes:	who would ever pay a dollar in ddos to cost someone ten, while on the topic	[18:05]
asciilifeform:	not sure i see the parallel	[18:06]
asciilifeform:	so you publish dirt on 3 muppets, 4th, on whom you were not able to find any, wins. where's the win from this from your pov ?	[18:06]
ben_vulpes:	not even a matter of publishing dirt, wapo has decreed that actual dirt is immaterial, accusations are all that matter.	[18:07]
asciilifeform:	it isn't about 'accusations', you or i could accuse all day long and they will print 0	[18:07]
ben_vulpes:	quite definitely is about accusations, all one needs is a 'cleaning lady'.	[18:08]
asciilifeform:	and a newyorktimes.	[18:08]
ben_vulpes:	dontcha know, asciilifeform ? demanding proof is just the patriarchy working to oppress women, keep their allegations quiet.	[18:08]
ben_vulpes:	reasoning from first principles is racist, etc	[18:09]
asciilifeform:	when the blessedly anointed accuse. when evil terrorist -- not worth mention	[18:09]
ben_vulpes:	when the pantsuit controlled twitter and instagram, this might have been so	[18:10]
ben_vulpes:	times and wapo etc now quiver in fear of not being fast enough on the trigger with the allegations.	[18:10]
asciilifeform:	did i sleep through a tragic fire where twatter et al mysteriously burned down ?	[18:11]
ben_vulpes:	well they did give up on the verification play today	[18:11]
asciilifeform:	waiwat	[18:11]
ben_vulpes:	"nice people only" or some such	[18:11]
ben_vulpes:	https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/09/twitter-halts-verification-over-checkmark-charlottesville-rally-organizer/848314001/ as a random sample	[18:12]
asciilifeform:	lol!	[18:12]
asciilifeform:	'Verification was meant to authenticate identity & voice but it is interpreted as an endorsement or an indicator of importance," Twitter said in a tweet announcing its decision to pause the verification program. "We recognize that we have created this confusion and need to resolve it. We have paused all general verifications while we work and will report back soon.'	[18:12]
asciilifeform:	'hey let's all use centrally-controlled faux wot, what could be the down side'	[18:13]
ben_vulpes:	allll you gotta do is find a further out-there minority or 'oppressed person', and everyone will race to validate their lived experience. trend has been towards this for years, don't know how you don't see it.	[18:13]
asciilifeform:	validate their lived experience << lel	[18:16]
asciilifeform:	'your livedexperience has failed checksum and does not validate. please try again'	[18:17]
asciilifeform:	i still dun fully grasp what this obummerism specifically means	[18:17]
asciilifeform:	aside from the 'validation chamber' or what was it, in hanbot's gulag story	[18:17]
ben_vulpes:	~"you matter, and what happened to you is important"	[18:20]
ben_vulpes:	related: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/air-force-academy-racist-message-trnd/index.html	[18:20]
davout:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735725 <<< as usual the french did it before it became mainstream	[18:21]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 23:08 ben_vulpes: quite definitely is about accusations, all one needs is a 'cleaning lady'.	[18:21]
davout:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735727 <<< lack of empathy, disrespect for feelings etc.	[18:22]
a111:	Logged on 2017-11-09 23:08 ben_vulpes: dontcha know, asciilifeform ? demanding proof is just the patriarchy working to oppress women, keep their allegations quiet.	[18:22]
asciilifeform:	in very other vintage lulz, http://www.cpu-ns32k.net	[18:32]
asciilifeform:	in other olds, http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/genera/distribution/sys/sys2/bignum.lisp << ( and yes it is on the cd ) >> quite sad bignum stack imho	[18:44]
asciilifeform:	and nearly unreadable to modern eyes	[18:46]
asciilifeform:	to be fair, some of the screaming ugliness is on account of the tangle of arithmetic chips they were stuck using.	[18:48]
asciilifeform:	https://archive.is/TDImw << copy, for l0gz	[18:51]
cruciform:	currently building TRB node	[19:01]
asciilifeform:	cruciform: problems ?	[19:02]
cruciform:	not yet just felt like sharing!	[19:02]
cruciform:	got a FG to audit after	[19:03]
asciilifeform:	oh you're the uk fella	[19:03]
asciilifeform:	only now plugged it in ?!	[19:04]
cruciform:	haven't even done that yet :P	[19:04]
asciilifeform:	have fun	[19:05]
cruciform:	got an error during build: https://pastebin.com/cdWPDx2M - any ideas?	[19:30]
ben_vulpes:	gcc 5?	[19:30]
asciilifeform:	^	[19:30]
cruciform:	yea	[19:31]
asciilifeform:	get rid of it	[19:31]
asciilifeform:	and i mean, all of it. no gcc5 on the box anywhere.	[19:31]
cruciform:	ok, thanks	[19:32]
asciilifeform:	( unless yer a gentoo virtuoso and can have 9000 compilers safely co-exist. otherwise, kill. it. with. fire. )	[19:32]
asciilifeform:	!#s gcc5	[19:34]
a111:	28 results for "gcc5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gcc5	[19:34]
asciilifeform:	^ see also.	[19:34]
asciilifeform:	gcc5 was made by wreckers.	[19:34]
asciilifeform:	see also esp. thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665148 .	[19:37]
a111:	Logged on 2017-06-03 02:40 erlehmann: i don't get the hate against optimizing c compilers at all	[19:37]
cruciform:	asciilifeform: something like "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove gcc-5" ?	[19:46]
asciilifeform:	i cannot immediately say how to do this surgery on non-gentoo linuxen	[19:47]
asciilifeform:	might want to ask mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , shinohai	[19:47]
asciilifeform:	if you make the cuts in the wrong order, could easily end up without a compiler.	[19:47]
cruciform:	yea, that's what I'm concerned about. Running Ubuntu 16.04, btw	[19:48]
asciilifeform:	( which may be a trivial fix or an hour-long headache depending on what's on yer box )	[19:48]
shinohai:	ya know i think ive forgotten how to do this the debian away	[19:49]
asciilifeform:	cruciform: at least 1 person here knows the answer to this, you might want to check back later.	[19:53]
cruciform:	asciilifeform: thanks! will do. In other matters, is this the correct kinda cable for a FG? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Raspberry-Programming-Serial-Windows-Supported/dp/B01N4X3BJB/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1510275254&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=ttl+cable&psc=1	[19:54]
asciilifeform:	cruciform: pretty sure i shipped a number of units with that exact cable	[19:57]
asciilifeform:	it's a pl2303 , ought to work ( though see diana_coman 's recent thread , on certain egregiously braindamaged linuxen there is a bug )	[19:58]
cruciform:	yea, saw that - don't think she had any problems with ubuntu	[19:58]
asciilifeform:	cruciform: the colours on your cable may not match exactly the traditional one in that case look up which wire is rx, which - +5v, which - ground.	[20:04]
asciilifeform:	( leave 'tx' alone . )	[20:05]
cruciform:	thanks!	[20:06]
asciilifeform:	np	[20:08]
* asciilifeform	bbl	[20:08]
lobbes:	!~ticker --market all	[21:39]
jhvh1:	lobbes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7282.95, vol: 14418.62854468 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7246.0, vol: 50570.46137361 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 7300.0, vol: 4877.60280168 \| Volume-weighted last average: 7257.39539951	[21:39]
mod6:	!~later tell cruciform <+cruciform> asciilifeform: something like "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove gcc-5" ? << This ~ought~ to work. However, it's been a while since I had to do all of these gyrations myself. Please let me know if you need help on this, I'll do what I can. Salud.	[21:47]
mod6:	Pardon me.	[21:48]
mod6:	!~later tell cruciform <+cruciform> asciilifeform: something like "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove gcc-5" ? << This ~ought~ to work. However, it's been a while since I had to do all of these gyrations myself. Please let me know if you need help on this, I'll do what I can. Salud.	[21:48]
jhvh1:	mod6: The operation succeeded.	[21:48]
BingoBoingo:	<mircea_popescu> very fucking hysterical. so i mocked it, and it... ANSWERED! << Very nice. This is very motivations for digesting meters of audio.	[21:56]
mod6:	:D	[21:59]
BingoBoingo:	In other news, Uruguay datacenter is offering to help petition to get IPs assigned through LACNIC	[22:03]
BingoBoingo:	And we have a quote, extracting info from PDF	[22:17]
BingoBoingo:	!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GvF3m/?raw=true	[23:30]
jhvh1:	BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.	[23:30]

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