Forum logs for 09 Dec 2017

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ben_vulpes: > pragma Pure [02:01]
ben_vulpes: slowly coming around to this ada thing [02:01]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life [02:44]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [07:22]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15011.78, vol: 14964.17889650 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14936.0, vol: 69368.82029594 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15100.2, vol: 3178.19548484 | Volume-weighted last average: 14954.9215241 [07:22]
BingoBoingo: In other news, last night crowd was primarily Brazilians in town for the Cannabis expo [08:32]
mircea_popescu: in other you-can't-imagine-what-decivilization-is : abs wheel sensors here, $130. each. in sanelands, $30, a set of 4. [09:30]
mircea_popescu: if you're wondering WHY the fuck would anyone buy singles, your mind is working correctly and you're on the way to explaining the mystery : imbecile orcmind DOES NOT PROVISION! DOES NOT MAINTENANCE! and generally has a very peculiar relartionship with the future, as discussed eg in http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_0_75919 or http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-09-nov-2017#2360858 [09:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 20:25 mircea_popescu: cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks. [09:38]
mircea_popescu: or so on. [09:38]
mircea_popescu: so basically : they do not keep supplies. latino mind does not understand there's something shameful in having shop of X, not having X.y item in stock. [09:38]
mircea_popescu: consequently, because no demand, because no management, because no understanding whatsoever of what this capitalist world is or how it works, THEREFORE it makes ~~~perfect economic sense~~~ for part to cost 4x 4x what it costs among smarter people. [09:39]
mircea_popescu: THIS is what end-of-civilisation means : as you include more and more brownies and "their values" into society, you exclude more and more sense and welfare from the economy. [09:40]
asciilifeform: 'sensor is what we dunhave at the sensor shop!1' [09:40]
mircea_popescu: ikr [09:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was how usa croaked [09:41]
asciilifeform: !#s neutron absorbers [09:41]
a111: 1 result for "neutron absorbers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=neutron%20absorbers [09:41]
mircea_popescu: aha. [09:41]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455832 [09:41]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 15:58 asciilifeform: i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers' [09:41]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749053 << yer in for a treat, ben_vulpes , whole thing is made of this [09:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 07:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life [09:43]
mircea_popescu: i gathered :) [09:44]
asciilifeform: of course W_ZeroP only works the way it does because compilers are sad , in turn because people were idiots in 1970s and did not shoot the wreckers who so much as suggested to call a thing without overlow and zero flags, a cpu [09:45]
asciilifeform: *overflow [09:45]
asciilifeform: btw here's a phunphakt for ben_vulpes : ffa cannot be used as-is on ppc. ibm in infinite whizzdom made their mul instruction nonconstanttime. [09:47]
asciilifeform: it shortcuts on zeros. [09:47]
asciilifeform: if you must run on ppc, yer basecase (word x word) multer has to be 'egyptian'. [09:48]
asciilifeform: and i'ma have to write a detector for this kind of idiocy, because anything at all can be expected from intel et al. [09:51]
asciilifeform: for mul, pretty simple, time the interval needed for e.g. million 0x0 mulls vs million maxint x maxint ( and a few other patterns ) [09:52]
mircea_popescu: !!up BigTexasBingo [11:03]
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. [11:03]
BigTexasBingo: Holy fuck do Brazilians smoke fuck tons of ganja [11:03]
* BigTexasBingo has for the near term readopted cigarettes for social cover [11:04]
* BigTexasBingo may be learning more Portugues atm than Spanish. [11:08]
BigTexasBingo: Sobriety still intact. Still only met un gringa, though have now encountered a Brazilian born in Nueva York [11:09]
mircea_popescu: good for you. [11:10]
BigTexasBingo: Necessito encuentrar un nuevo lavador por mi ropa. Current one hasn't been attended since I dropped off mi ropa. But only been by twice. [11:11]
asciilifeform: ->encontrar ? [11:12]
BigTexasBingo: Find [11:12]
asciilifeform: yes [11:12]
asciilifeform: but mutilated. or is this what the portuguese do. [11:12]
* asciilifeform grammarschool nitpicking [11:13]
BigTexasBingo: It is the effect of my spanish immersion being invaded by the Brazillians and their slow, incredibly understandable speech. [11:13]
BigTexasBingo: Weather here still muy bueno. [11:14]
BigTexasBingo: And adjusting to hostel life [11:17]
BigTexasBingo: Cowork life is very accommodating [11:17]
asciilifeform: what exactly is a 'cowork' [11:18]
BigTexasBingo: It is an office building floor whereI rent desk, get coffee and language practice, and fiscal address to give the lawyer [11:19]
asciilifeform: aa neato [11:19]
asciilifeform: iirc phf had one of these in usa [11:20]
BigTexasBingo: Monthly cost is in TBI statement [11:20]
BigTexasBingo: Have access 24/7 to space [11:20]
BigTexasBingo: Locking storage fwiw [11:21]
BigTexasBingo: And rooftop lounge area for socializing and phone calls [11:22]
BigTexasBingo: Brb, adventure resumes [11:22]
asciilifeform: habitable outdoors must be pretty great. [11:22]
BingoBoingo: It is indeed, the hours from doce y media through Cuartena y media can be rather hot, but milder than in the homeland [12:01]
BingoBoingo: !!up _whitelogger [12:03]
deedbot: _whitelogger voiced for 30 minutes. [12:03]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [12:13]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13650.0, vol: 13035.50063927 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13632.0, vol: 64530.65458759 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14066.7, vol: 3056.60516005 | Volume-weighted last average: 13651.3908676 [12:13]
BingoBoingo: Ah, the weekend dollar liquidity crunch [12:14]
BingoBoingo: And in Argentines trying Navy Seal copypasta http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8uKS0/?raw=true [13:01]
BingoBoingo: No, they are not being considered for jack shit [13:05]
phf: i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever [13:37]
TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment [15:12]
TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748919 << something like this? https://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/miniwebproxy [15:17]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:54 asciilifeform: at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron [15:17]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << link ? [15:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment [15:21]
asciilifeform: TomServo: the proxy thing sounds exactly like what i wanted. primo candidate for tmsrization. [15:24]
TomServo: asciilifeform: it dropped by the time I thought to archive, https://archive.is/iYTlp [15:25]
asciilifeform: ty TomServo , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15887475 has a little ball of lulz already, complete with card-carrying ninjashotgunner, [15:27]
asciilifeform: !#s tptacek [15:27]
a111: 17 results for "tptacek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tptacek [15:27]
TomServo: aha, I recognized the name, didn't recall the connection [15:29]
asciilifeform: TomServo: see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523233 . [16:13]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:54 asciilifeform: all i solidly know of the tptacek fella is his reaction to phuctor. [16:13]
asciilifeform: elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675980. [16:14]
a111: Logged on 2017-06-28 16:09 asciilifeform: beloved sage ideologue of the schneierism komyoonity, author of gems like https://archive.is/ootJi [16:14]
asciilifeform: d00d is, as i understand, a 'pillar-of-the-komyoonity', i.e. full-time politruk. [16:15]
asciilifeform: !!up clambodile [17:24]
deedbot: clambodile voiced for 30 minutes. [17:24]
clambodile: Thank you [17:26]
asciilifeform: who might you be, clambodile ? [17:27]
clambodile: I would describe myself as "a rando". I found this channel by chance, thought it seemed interesting. [17:30]
asciilifeform: clambodile: consider reading log, at http://btcbase.org/log and elsewhere, and see chan subjline. [17:31]
clambodile: asciilifeform: I thought I would lurk for now, if that's aight. [17:32]
asciilifeform: clambodile: there is no substitute for reading the log, if you want to have even half a clue. but lurk all you like, nobody's stopping anyone from lurking. [17:33]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << this attracted such choice intellects last time... [17:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment [17:53]
asciilifeform: the q asciilifeform asks each time is 'wai'. it's not unlike learning that you've been featured on radio pyongyang [17:54]
mircea_popescu: comes with teh territory. [17:55]
asciilifeform: does it ? i dun recall last time e.g. trilema was '#1 on tardcombinator' [17:55]
mircea_popescu: a year or so ? [17:55]
asciilifeform: possibly i'm not using enuff repellentpowder, lol [17:55]
asciilifeform: hm possibly yea [17:56]
mircea_popescu: periodicity of the venues. yearly on that shitpit, monthly on that other shitpit etc. [17:56]
* asciilifeform these days finds it hard to muster the givingashit to even follow up on 'was linked from shitpit!11' much of the time [17:57]
asciilifeform: this time took a peek after all, to see 'are the hannoboecks still on duty'. answ: they are. [17:59]
mircea_popescu: not hard for them : not wanted anywhere else. what could they possible do all day ? [17:59]
asciilifeform: dunno, how about they pick up rubbish with bare hands, like in india. [18:00]
mircea_popescu: notrly. [18:01]
trinque: I dunno I would've taken the comparison to Terry Davis as a compliment! [18:04]
trinque: patron saint of computing juche [18:04]
mircea_popescu: it's funny how idiocy secretes narrative as its natural metabolism. algae make oxygen and estlatrds make loose stories. [18:05]
mircea_popescu: lurking, eh. [19:03]
* asciilifeform fiddles with serverz. the noise -- abominable [19:34]
mircea_popescu: !!up izabera [19:35]
deedbot: izabera voiced for 30 minutes. [19:35]
izabera: hi [19:35]
mircea_popescu: how goes [19:35]
izabera: all good, i don't actually need help or anything [19:35]
mircea_popescu: cool [19:35]
izabera: just found this chan on https://archive.is/CGQkR [19:35]
asciilifeform: ohai izabera . are you a customer ? [19:35]
izabera: nope [19:36]
izabera: at least not yet [19:36]
asciilifeform: izabera: the unit is very much still available. [19:36]
izabera: how many did you actually sell? [19:37]
asciilifeform: izabera: try asking dell how many servers he sold ? [19:38]
mircea_popescu: not like it's not in the reports. hundred or so ? [19:38]
izabera: not bad [19:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun think we ever published the exact #. although folx oughta be able to arithmetize. [19:38]
mircea_popescu: within a degree of magnitude, sorta thing [19:39]
asciilifeform: 100 was just the first batch ( which sold out last yr ) [19:39]
izabera: are the prices on this page https://archive.is/CNpWm up to date? [19:41]
mircea_popescu: nah. [19:41]
mircea_popescu: where was that danielpbarron amazion thing ? [19:42]
asciilifeform: 0.0395 is the current. [19:42]
izabera: still hella expensive [19:42]
asciilifeform: izabera: i gotta bite : compared to what ? [19:43]
izabera: a ps4 [19:43]
asciilifeform: someone sells an auditable trng called ps4 ? [19:43]
asciilifeform: link ? [19:43]
mircea_popescu: lol ps4 [19:43]
mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down alfie! [19:43]
asciilifeform: i mean it is also expensive compared to children's tricycle. but how about comparing similar items.. [19:43]
izabera: i mean you must be aware of btc's recent jump to >15k usd [19:46]
mircea_popescu: izabera you can prolly pick up some in teh aftermarket either amazon or w/e. [19:48]
danielpbarron: someone bid and won it for 200 USD [19:51]
danielpbarron: i'll put some more up soon [19:51]
mircea_popescu: was your last one ? [19:51]
danielpbarron: i have plenty more [19:51]
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque is your musltronic gentoo recipe posted anywhere ? [20:23]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [20:23]
asciilifeform: !!up BingoBoingo [20:26]
deedbot: BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes. [20:26]
asciilifeform: err [20:26]
danielpbarron: !~later tell izabera https://www.ebay.com/itm/292364922124 [20:28]
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. [20:28]
asciilifeform: oh hey notbad biznis danielpbarron has. [20:28]
danielpbarron: yeah it' [20:28]
danielpbarron: yeah it's pretty nice. i can't really lose money selling these things [20:29]
danielpbarron: even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort [20:29]
asciilifeform: possibly folx are less reluctant to part with fiatola than good old coinz [20:31]
danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me [20:32]
* asciilifeform realized not long ago that he's quite ready to pay considerably 'more' in fiatola for a hypothetical item that is also-sold for btc , on account of the difficulty of replenishing the latter [20:33]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749209 << this is the key of the strategy. [20:46]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me [20:46]
mircea_popescu: !!up clambodile [20:48]
deedbot: clambodile voiced for 30 minutes. [20:48]
asciilifeform: !!up clambodile [21:04]
deedbot: clambodile voiced for 30 minutes. [21:04]
asciilifeform: clambodile: please get an irc bouncer , or lurk by reading the logs. join/part spamola is not welcome [21:05]
cruciform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171210/#52 they charged me import duty a fortnight after arrival! [21:19]
scriba: Logged on 2017-12-10: [01:29:30] <danielpbarron> even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort [21:19]
cruciform: just about finished up with 6 months of logs turns out I've a LOT of work to do! :-) [21:21]
mircea_popescu: lol [21:21]
mircea_popescu: !!up esthlos [21:22]
deedbot: esthlos voiced for 30 minutes. [21:22]
danielpbarron: cruciform, if you don't mind, i'm curious what they charged you [21:29]
cruciform: danielpbarron: £15, iirc [21:29]
asciilifeform: in other noose, ALL of the 'livedvd' on gentoo's ftp appear to contain poetteringolade ( boots into gui horror, with systemd, 'networkmanager'-at-boot, etc. ) [21:32]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: reproducing ben_vulpes' travails ahaha? [21:36]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: reproducing everybody's travails [21:36]
ben_vulpes: likely with the 'wrist' to make it work [21:36]
asciilifeform: no exotic archs tho [21:36]
ben_vulpes: buddy i've been beaten back on entirely conventional archs even of late [21:37]
asciilifeform: i thought ben_vulpes had a ppc thing [21:37]
ben_vulpes: among others, yes [21:37]
ben_vulpes: it is sitting happily on a desk, refusing to ada for reasons of package gcc 4.9 blocks gnat-gpl, which is the point at which i threw up my hands and declared a temporary retrograde advance [21:38]
asciilifeform: the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat. [21:43]
asciilifeform: ( the building can happen, however , on any box having a working gnat of whatever type ) [21:44]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want to use gcc's gnat, you gotta get old ( 2016 and earlier oughta work ) tarball manually, and build or obtain the 'obsolete' gentoo ebuild. [21:45]
asciilifeform: alternatively you can use adacore's item. [21:45]
asciilifeform: ( i don't know of any particular reason to spit on it ) [21:46]
ben_vulpes: most recently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740314 [21:49]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 18:10 ben_vulpes: but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file [21:49]
asciilifeform: ugh [22:08]
asciilifeform: that's a first. this was on the ppc? or on pc? [22:08]
ben_vulpes: pc [23:21]
ben_vulpes: cruciform: webirc is going to piss everyone off with join/part spam [23:24]
ben_vulpes: either get a real bouncer or read the wwwlogz [23:24]
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