Forum logs for 07 Dec 2018
| phf: | mircea_popescu: ty | [04:08] |
| BingoBoingo: | !Xview B#1009 | [07:18] |
| auctionbot: | BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please enter order # as an integer | [07:18] |
| BingoBoingo: | !Xview 1009 | [07:18] |
| auctionbot: | Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins) | [07:18] |
| BingoBoingo: | ^ Only a few hours left to bid in this month's Pizarro auction | [07:19] |
| Qntbtt: | http://qntra.net/2018/12/large-torrent-tracker-throwing-in-the-towel/ | [09:12] |
| Qntbtt: | http://qntra.net/2018/12/mass-arrests-of-unarmed-teens-as-france-cracks-down-on-anti-macron-dissidents/ | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | what, is qntra not tracked by feedbot? | [09:21] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently not | [09:21] |
| asciilifeform: | spyked ^ | [09:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | Feedbot appears down atm | [09:21] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: the http://qntra.net/bundles/macronbucks.jpg thing is annoying imho | [09:22] |
| asciilifeform: | there's, what, 5 copies of it on front page ? | [09:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | It will becomes less frequent | [09:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | Brb, going to invade a once outlaw culture and see if there is still any rebellion there or if it all got taken over by pussies | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878888 <<-->> http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/#selection-361.0-361.65 | [10:09] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-07 14:12 Qntbtt: http://qntra.net/2018/12/mass-arrests-of-unarmed-teens-as-france-cracks-down-on-anti-macron-dissidents/ | [10:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | white bois gotta fucking learn already. kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp. do not "peaceful" hurr durr, that does 0. | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo qntra got its own bot nao too ? | [10:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ? | [10:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | speaking of which : it was fucking amusing to discover that in nicole's generation, "a meme, pl memes" denotes simply... a captioned image. 0 awareness of the entire ~implication~ of social influence and narrative dominance for which the thing was so pompously named by the "words are magic"/"law of hopetraction" crowd. | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | it simply got clipped! | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect by the same methodology "women's rights" will be a byword for bdsm and "#metoo" another way to say "idiot" in another decade. god knows "you guys are POWER RANGERS!!!" reddit gushing went exactly that way. | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, BingoBoingo do you happen to have anywhere saved the original reddit "you guys are power rangers!!!" idiocy ? iirc was during hearn's wrecking fork. | [10:16] |
| Mocky: | good morning mircea_popescu | [10:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya. | [10:16] |
| spyked: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878892 <-- apologies for the downtime. fleanode finally decided to sabotage all my connections while I wasn't looking | [11:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-07 14:21 BingoBoingo: Feedbot appears down atm | [11:06] |
| spyked: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878441 <-- sure thing! send me a list of feeds you want delivered (if a lot of them) and I'll have it join #eulora when you think it's appropriate (can sync up on that, e.g. tomorrow?) | [11:13] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-05 03:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | keks | [11:13] |
| spyked: | lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience. | [11:15] |
| spyked: | mornin' mircea_popescu | [11:16] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878901 << wouldn't hurt | [11:22] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-07 15:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ? | [11:22] |
| mats: | mircea_popescu: whats the purpose of styrofoam in the cocktail? | [12:07] |
| asciilifeform: | mats: traditional ersatz napalm, iirc | [12:08] |
| asciilifeform: | mats: what i dunget is why mircea_popescu specified ~plastic~ bottles, these won't break and will harmlessly roll off tank | [12:08] |
| mats: | oh, the solution that results, imitates napalm stickiness | [12:10] |
| mats: | probably burns slower also | [12:12] |
| mats: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878885 << <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 3240.58, Best ask: 3242.22, Bid-ask spread: 1.64000, Last trade: 3240.58, 24 hour volume: 21780.93020893, 24 hour low: 3222.0, 24 hour high: 3645.05, 24 hour vwap: 3388.72 | [12:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-07 12:18 auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins) | [12:15] |
| * mats | smacks forehead | [12:16] |
| auctionbot: | Buy order # 1009 has ENDED: 2k wFF SOLD by mats for 499.99mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo | [13:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: I will take a look for it | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya! | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | mats plastifying agent, basically. | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform they ~melt~. | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: what good does it do if it melts on the ground after rolling off the target ? | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | do the experiment at home, if you will, count the seconds between lighting "fuse" and item turning into flaming puddle. | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~same as grenade, as specified. | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform so you throw it correctly. "what good is fused grenade ?!?!?" "you learn how to use it" | [15:17] |
| asciilifeform: | tru | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | glass makes for cheap 'impact fuse' tho, hence why still popular even tho plastic bottles are errywhere | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is inferior in this application, if apparently counterintuitively so. | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | doesn't always break, splatters rather than splashes, and so on. | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | ( as for frags, even industrially produced item suffers from 'if fuse is long enuff never to run out in yer hand, enemy can throw back' headache ) | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | nobody's throwing back flaming plastic bottle, that's for damn sure. | [15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, cheapness and accessibility are the overwhelming considerations. the half liter and 1 liter plastic bottles more ubiquitous than "human rights" | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes, http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif is the image of the revolution. | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | and quite specifically because, "kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp". | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | revolution wins through that specific attrition, and in no other manner. | [15:22] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: which historic revolution actually fits the 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' model ? erry one i can think of had some participation of regular army with flipped sign bit | [15:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's the modern version of "breaking the will to larp". but consider the case of the old pretender : for 50 fucking years, the (orange) revolution was stuck killing the wanna-be-cop catholic larpers. | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | (James Francis Edward Stuart, tryna be James III) | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you take a narrow "history started in 1993" view, you can arrive at this "army" notion. but the actual equation underlying that ~as well as any other~ applications, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | sure, and 1917 kept killing pretenders, and just about erry other example. but not with crowd hands. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | consider how the mexican cartel revolution in texas worked out. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, wikipedia doesn't recognize those events as such". hurr. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | depends on what you mean by "crowd". by tsarist books on "what's a crowd", lenin eminently crowd. | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | lenin + 2e6 folx coming back armed an' pissed from ww1 | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | every once in a while some rando fucktard straggles in here, "oh, you people aren't the world's only sovereign". | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | eminently != brick throwers | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | lumea s-a schimbat. | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | doesn't take nearly as much to topple a tower of shit as a roman arch. | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | if contention is 'tower of shit, takes a few brick' -- i'll buy | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | point was, i dunno of any direct parallels in recent white man's hist | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's wrong with yasser arafat ? semites not white ? how about ira ? | [15:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ( will observe that it seems to take moar bricks/molotovs than the 'dindus' of bmore are able to muster, to date, they 'revolution' ~yearly but it ain't detectable at all from 100km with naked eye ) | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | how about corsican independence, how about kosovo independence, how abotu what have you ? | [15:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ira mega-example, gave up arms and went into reddit | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | because they insist on being led by niggers. | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | something along the http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/#selection-43.0-43.123 problem. | [15:46] |
| asciilifeform: | arafat's folx ditto, still living in concentration camps | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i suspect the problem here is that you use a yet-unwritten history book. | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly unwritten at least partly cuz not actually happened yet | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | 'kosovo independence' another mega-lol, product of nato bombers | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | kosovo is simply condom clinton wore when he waltzed serbia in erry hole | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | even ro '89 'revolution', which i suspect is mircea_popescu's basic model, dun quite fit pattern : old regime croaked precisely when regular army turned on securitate. ( and yet somehow even after this, iliescu -- communist -- ended up on throne ) | [15:56] |
| asciilifeform: | ( iirc mircea_popescu actually had a piece re subj, where not only about iliescu, but where all the new managerial class was also ex-party, because nobody else adequately literate, or how did it go ) | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know, that suspicion is somewhat on the level of "i suspect surgeon likes knives. because surgeon, geddit ???". | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway -- events can always be reinterpreted through a glass so strange nothing is left standing. i dunno that any argument can be brought to the level of broken lens. | [16:11] |
| asciilifeform: | i'd like to borrow the lens through which mircea_popescu saw his model, but i suspect it dun work with earthling eye. | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no speciffic reason clinton wanted or needed kosovo for. the item existed on the ground. | [16:12] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc the serbs were doing an a++ job of bugspraying it, until intervention | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | the elements of that specific conflict were separately, the croats, the bosniaks, the serbs, kosovo, and the albanians. and, i suppose, to be exhaustive, the gypsies. | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | lol on whose side, the gypsies?! | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | now then : the serbs decided to produce a national state out of old yugo, through the process of cleansing a portion of ye olde yugo of everyone else and adding it to serbia. | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | this worked splendidly well, and through the exact process described : they started shooting the "cop" larpers until no one wanted to larp anymore. | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | similarily, the palestine situation. you wanna read it in a batshit insane manner, but the truth is that in the 30s-50s there was ~no reason~ for there to be a palestine. and yet, another 50ish years later, the us recognized such a state. | [16:16] |
| asciilifeform: | palestine winners not called yet, arguably, so i'ma leave'em alone but what am i missing re serbs ? cuz iirc the 'larpers' won in the end | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | leaving aside the cases where "army -- shot the would-be cops", from odessa to what have you, 2016 turkey, the point remains : shooting the larping pantsuit until no pantsuit left willing to larp is the only way. | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform this "in the end" argument is about as boneheaded as "according to my painted-over skymask, the sky is maroon in color". | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | in the end, kelvin won. | [16:17] |
| asciilifeform: | so contention is 'serbia not under pantsuit yoke' ? somehow ? or 'serbia will rise again?' or which is it | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | contention is, "the only way through which revolution ~ever~ wins, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'". | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | this says nothing of "in the end". that's nonsense, you've not yet done anything or not done anything that lives to this "in the end" stgandard. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | "in the end" ffa is a piece of shit, because events from star date 78987.4 | [16:19] |
| asciilifeform: | guaranteed to fail when sun burns out, lolyes | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then. "the only way to have medicine is by washing hands" "in the end, corpse anyway" | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | duh. that doesn't invalidate hygiene. | [16:19] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought mircea_popescu was going for a historically, rather than philosophically, supported statement. ( i dun even disagree, as such, 1917 was over in ~1926 when ~100% opposition was dead/emigrated . but wasn't pushed out by bottle-throwers, no. ) | [16:21] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik last time 'amateurs' actually gave regular army a run for its money, was muentzer. ( and even there, debatable, had 'pro' leadership so possibly actual last time was... spartacus ? ) | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i mean, what is the diff between historic and philosophic you propose here ? | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's a historical fact, the only way for a revolution to win is for the wanna-be pantsuit cop larpers being killed, in such numbers as not to leave any behind. | [16:30] |
| asciilifeform: | killed -- yes | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is true universally, whether that number turns out to be half a million or half a unit. | [16:30] |
| asciilifeform: | that's not the part i have nitpick for | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it is also supported historically, in ALL cases. both ALL cases during our lifetimes and ALL cases during every other generation's lifetime. | [16:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ( seems like trivial fact, i can't possibly dispute it ) | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | taking individual such examples and declaring "i interpret ~this~ particuylar case of 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' as somethingentirely else!!!" isn't gonna do much. | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole point is, "looky here good fellows, the similarity between pharoh tuth's death and granma ilsa's death down the street and every other smallpox death is -- variola virus!!" | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | coming back with a "oh, but people died of rock crushing in ancient egypt more than now" is a very weird approach. | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | what i dun know of is any examples where the killin' wasn't done largely by orig regime's nominal armies with flipped sign bit. | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | ( or, i suppose, invader ) | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is no such thing! think for a second : "i don't know of a case of a star created out of either foreign material or accreted local material" | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit man, star is made out of H. that's what H is, starmaker. | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, the MEN THERE PRESENT will do the killing. | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | who the fuck else ?! | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | "oh, but briefly previously this very same H was labeled ''planet x''." so what the fuck ? | [16:33] |
| * asciilifeform | adjusts gas mask | [16:35] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose if next week -- fr revolution, macron guillotined, nato expelled, etc -- i'ma have to eat hat | [16:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | in the specific case of weimar, it was sailors, specifically kiel sailors. ie, "not army". and so on, whoever it will have been it'll always have been the men present. | [16:37] |
| asciilifeform: | whoknows, maybe 5 d00dz with molotovs > regular fr army, at this pt | [16:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | experimentally, dozen doods with box cutters > usg "intelligence ocmmunity", two decades ago. | [16:37] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, or the serb baker with old s-100 vs reagan's $1b flying brick | [16:38] |
| asciilifeform: | does happen | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | experimentally also, few k goatfuckers with kalash > nato army, decade ago. | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | not a matter of "does happen". a matter of "strictly nothiong else happens". | [16:38] |
| asciilifeform: | well muentzers also happen neh | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | or what, magically "palestine never turned tide" and ALSO "never heard of this afghanistan place-where-empires-go-to-die" simultaneously now !? | [16:39] |
| asciilifeform: | german algo ('if it moves, shoot it') would've 'solved' afghan. | [16:40] |
| asciilifeform: | ( why not applied, is separate q ) | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. because, again, 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'. | [16:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | and "why not applied" never separate or separable question. always delivered in a package with all other answers : "because there wasn't who". | [16:42] |
| asciilifeform: | upstack, why is it that 'kiel sailors' != 'army' ? or on mircea_popescu's planet 'army' specifically means infantry ? ( on mine, it's broad brush for errybody who subject to mil discipline, uniform, under command of the nominal crown ) | [16:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, traditionally in english "the army" means the army, as opposed to navy, airforce or marines etc. | [16:45] |
| asciilifeform: | hm. | [16:45] |
| asciilifeform: | btw lenin also with sailors. | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | right. | [16:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( at least, initially ) | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | potemkin! | [16:46] |
| asciilifeform: | aurora | [16:46] |
| * asciilifeform | sings, 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...' | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | Князь Потёмкин Таврический, you know, the silent film. | [16:46] |
| asciilifeform: | yes. wasn't a xor but a +. | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | they refugeed in ro, btw. | [16:47] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc ro didn't start throwing folx back until dej | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | by then... | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | this was iirc early 1900s. | [16:48] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [16:48] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl,meat | [16:56] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), November 2018 Statement | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ^ lemme know if issues. | [18:01] |
| lobbes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878913 << this may work there's only ~5 feeds iirc. Question is: would using the !1subscribe method flood the channel with old blog posts, or would it just grab the new ones? | [20:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-07 16:15 spyked: lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience. | [20:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in other wtfs, https://blackhattactics.net/i-bring-tidings-of-the-most-serene-republic.html | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | OleanderBloom 21F Exploring 3m "I do apologize for seeming unintelligent, and I must also politely decline the offer. I am not polyamourous. I do however hope you find another new edition to your existing relationships. :)" | [22:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | nothing beats a little bit o' arudition | [22:18] |
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