Forum logs for 06 Dec 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mats: my apologies for the delayed report. i attempted the esp8266 experiment with a rigol ds1054z, only to discover the standard probe isn't sensitive enough [00:23]
mats: after some false starts, i've made arrangements to briefly return to hk in the spring and begin the process to acquire a permanent id card, after applying for the right to abode, which should have no issues as i was born there [00:24]
mats: i also expect to have no issues acquiring a tw passport, and will be available for republican business if its asked of me [00:26]
mats: flights are surprisingly cheap, LAX to HKG nonstop (roundtrip) is ~$500 [00:33]
mats: once i have my tw passport, i will be able to apply for an MTP (mainland travel permit), which will allow for 90d stays in china proper [00:36]
mircea_popescu: o nice mats [00:39]
mats: i believe there is an equivalent for hk, but my intentions are to stay in tw, due to familial contacts in the area, as well as comparatively lower cost of living [00:39]
mircea_popescu: tw works just fine. say when you got the mtp thing, i suspect we'll have some t for you to do. [00:40]
mats: will do [00:43]
feedbot: << Ossasepia -- SMG Comms Chapter 11: Arbitrary Size of Public Exponent [06:00]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed ch4 and ch5 of ffa: [06:12]
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman ! will roll these into ch14. [10:24]
asciilifeform: trinque: deedbot down ? [11:35]
trinque: all of a sudden [12:05]
trinque: thanks asciilifeform [12:06]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Ransomware Cracking Guy Turns Out To Be Ransomware Markup And Payment Guy [12:14]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Canadian "Law Enforcement" Abduct Huawei CFO For Not Giving A Shit About US Sanction On Iran [13:53]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: s/Ergodan/Erdogan [13:54]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty fxd [13:54]
mircea_popescu: o.O [13:55]
BingoBoingo: Ya'rly [13:55]
mircea_popescu: 19th centuries "wars" (in the don pacifico or agadir crisis sense) were started for less. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: chinese fleet bombarding san francisco harbor >1% probable. [13:57]
BingoBoingo: China's already talking with aggression. No archive links to English language publications for misrepresenting the abduction as a kidnapping across the board. [13:58]
BingoBoingo: *adbuction as an arrest [13:58]
BingoBoingo: s/kidnapping/arrest [13:59]
asciilifeform: they lifted him from beijing forbidden palace or wat [14:00]
BingoBoingo: Lifted her from Canada [14:00]
asciilifeform: .. or is this yet another 'walk-in client' [14:00]
BingoBoingo: Girl was doing business stuff in Canada, and then Canada kidnapped her for extradition to New York [14:00]
asciilifeform: aa lol so -- walk-in [14:01]
mircea_popescu: generally children end up spanked through this process where they fail to adjust their delusional ideas of the world fast enough. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: us in prime position for some. [14:01]
asciilifeform: ( << oblig ) [14:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.' [14:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing like that. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: the cookie didn't "walk in" the cookie jar. the cookie sat in the cookie jar where it belongs, and the future spankee stuck his hand in. [14:02]
feedbot: << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2018 Statement [14:02]
asciilifeform: maybe i'm out of date on subj, but iirc unless yer sitting in an embassy, yer subject to local lol-enforcement [14:02]
mircea_popescu: shares added also. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "united states" is not a sovereign. [14:03]
asciilifeform: somebody give washington the memo, i think they missed [14:03]
mircea_popescu: hence [14:03]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 19:01 mircea_popescu: generally children end up spanked through this process where they fail to adjust their delusional ideas of the world fast enough. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: argentina went through ~same cycle with faulklands. [14:06]
asciilifeform: is this 1st time they stole a cn brass ? [14:06]
asciilifeform: ( i dun recall a previous , but asciilifeform does not actively follow subj ) [14:06]
BingoBoingo: I believe it is the 1st time they stole one from this China [14:07]
BingoBoingo: At least for such a petty reason [14:07]
BingoBoingo: They caught and released another for sex in Minnesota [14:08]
BingoBoingo: But not as brassy, and dude did go to the Somaliland of Minnesota probably expecting to visit Nordic America [14:10]
mircea_popescu: previous attempt of something like this was probably aafia siddiqui. it ~cost them afghanistan, in any practical sense. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: china isn't afghanistan, of course. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: nor is 2018 anything like 2008. [14:16]
feedbot: << Daniel P. Barron -- yours is right here, enjoy it while it lasts [14:16]
lobbes: I just made a tiny fix to auctionbot. Everything seems to be working well and I don't anticipate any problems. Still, I'll be around for the rest of today in case there are. [14:59]
lobbes: (for the curious: I had overlooked the fact that when a "buy" type auction ends the usual messaging (e.g. "...Item SOLD to Person for...") had to change to reflect this (i.e. had to change it to "...Item SOLD --by-- Person for...")) [14:59]
* lobbes wonders if this is actually a bug in the english language. Closest word I could think of to denote both "to/by" was "via", but that does not really work in this case [14:59]
mircea_popescu: imo it's a feature. [15:03]
lobbes: yeah, on second thought ambiguity in a language is not really a good thing huh [15:04]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, [15:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have one of these coupla blox from my street. they tend to cluster around courthouses , 1 or 2 for small city one, up to dozen around a major [15:07]
mircea_popescu: yeah, common enough. i find the name amusing. [15:08]
asciilifeform: somebody oughta start a 'dindu' one in bmore [15:08]
mircea_popescu: well... i guess this was long enough in any case [15:17]
mircea_popescu: !!rate l0de -1 yet another one of these, "uluitii pulii mele". [15:18]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [15:18]
feedbot: << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement [15:52]
* phf is assembling a care package for asciilifeform [16:00]
asciilifeform: lol why ty phf . [16:02]
asciilifeform: the top can actually is available in usa the bottom is slightly diff brand that what i get here, would be interesting to compare. [16:03]
phf: there's a dozen of different brands for both, i'll have to sample them all until i figure out the most authentic flavor [16:03]
phf: diana_coman: i've updated all the available sigs [16:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a tiris-grapis ? [16:04]
diana_coman: phf, thanks! [16:05]
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw i bought 5 types of sprat in ro, and only 1 was up to spec, and even that -- barely [16:05]
asciilifeform: ( they dun sell the 'gost' godly round can from riga, why -- i do not know ) [16:05]
phf: asciilifeform: i've noticed that with some of the products here, a lot of them have GoST as a kind of branding, since i suspect it's barely regulated, but the quality of substandard. [16:06]
asciilifeform: aha, it dun say ~which~ gost, does it. [16:07]
asciilifeform: for all we know, it's the 'can is 30mm +/- 1' one. [16:07]
phf: this one is gost 280-2009, i'm not a visual machine at the moment to track it down though [16:09]
asciilifeform: apparently [16:09]
asciilifeform: 'Canned smoked fish. Sprats in oil. Specifications' [16:09]
asciilifeform: i had nfi [16:09]
diana_coman: milk and sprats, such care where's the caviar :p [16:10]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: funnily enuff i have 0prob getting that here [16:10]
diana_coman: and what, do you have problem getting sprats?? [16:10]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as such -- no but quality quite variable [16:11]
asciilifeform: here they import whatever the baltic muppet states offer directly [16:11]
diana_coman: also for different asciilifeform -care: [16:12]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: funniy enuff i loaded up on those in ro [16:12]
asciilifeform: a++ quality, fur not flaked off yet [16:12]
asciilifeform: ( unlike ~erry single american-sold variant i've ever had ) [16:12]
diana_coman: well fur fine but...why *those*, lol [16:12]
asciilifeform: not those specifically, but various fur hat. incl. the archaetypical 'ceausescu hat' [16:13]
diana_coman: not as if there's no choice of fur hats those remind me of the old one in which my great-grandmother kept newly hatched chicken to keep them warm, lol [16:13]
asciilifeform: it's somewhat funny also because asciilifeform's parents, 3 decades ago, went to ro also for clothing/shoes [16:14]
asciilifeform: and they beat the shit out of what was avail locally [16:14]
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform does same thing.. [16:14]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun keep chickens but imagine it'd work great, lol [16:14]
phf: diana_coman: heh, the chicken in a fur hat story was passed on in my family also [16:15]
diana_coman: phf, I saw it! repeatedly even [16:15]
asciilifeform: ( neighbour -- does keep chickens. used to be entirely unheard of in city here, but naodays local polizei close eyes to livestock (tho theoretically banned) for so long as it aint a pig ) [16:15]
diana_coman: I got to know my great-grandmother and she lived in the countryside, in the plains too (where it gets scorching hot in the summer and bitterly cold in winter) [16:16]
phf: diana_coman: my great-grandparents were all moved into the city by the time i was a grownup, they could only recall the olden days, not really demonstrate them [16:16]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, that sounds like good-old commie style: it's banned, but local police will close eyes for so long as x [16:17]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's most recent livestock-keeping ancestor died during reign of hruschev , so sadly cannot eruditely add to chicken thread [16:17]
phf: asciilifeform: it's a thing in san francisco apparently, saw it in two different tech komunalkas [16:17]
asciilifeform: phf: lol! where'd they keep'em? on balcony?! [16:18]
* diana_coman can picture asciilifeform's chicken-holding out of c101pa and similar [16:18]
phf: they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup [16:19]
asciilifeform: aa [16:20]
* phf afk [16:21]
* asciilifeform also bbl,teatime [16:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idiomatic, something between "kicking and screaming" and "on hands and knees" [18:22]
asciilifeform: aa [18:23]
mircea_popescu: << [18:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 21:14 asciilifeform: it's somewhat funny also because asciilifeform's parents, 3 decades ago, went to ro also for clothing/shoes [18:24]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 00:48 mircea_popescu: depends. 80s were insufferable (but, according to eg stanculescu, still better than ru). 70s were supposedly great. 60s ro was ahead of the post-war pack, but still... europe. even the french had malnutrition. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: "what, am i goiung to defect now ? these muppets have it worse than we do". stanculescu in moscow, signing mig purchase, 1984. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: << hanbot has a duck... the groundskeeper keeps telling me how tasty duck is... [18:26]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 21:17 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's most recent livestock-keeping ancestor died during reign of hruschev , so sadly cannot eruditely add to chicken thread [18:26]
asciilifeform: i recall father brought back from ro also a flashlight thing with fluorescent tube, not all that useful but blew asciilifeform's mind cuz 'how is this physically possible, the ballast in our jury-rigged fluorescent at dacha is bricks-sized' [18:26]
mircea_popescu: << it's coop, for the record. spelled the same as like bernie sandals. [18:26]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 21:19 phf: they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup [18:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beotch!!! [18:28]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:47 asciilifeform: which ? where they baked z80 clone ? [18:28]
asciilifeform: my current impression is that ro was closer, tech-wise, to ddr, than to (konsoomer, at least, level) su [18:29]
mircea_popescu: kinda yugo-like. [18:31]
asciilifeform: i dunno whether the yugos had native ic production [18:32]
mircea_popescu: well, i meant in terms of industrial goods supply, not necessarily ic. [18:39]
asciilifeform: aa [18:40]
mircea_popescu: frequency of chicken-on-balcony, sorta thing [18:40]
asciilifeform: ftr i never saw live chicken once till usa. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: !!key delu [20:33]
deedbot: [20:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << lemme know if any issues [20:36]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-06 20:52 feedbot: << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement [20:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read 2h ago, loox proper ( could like 'chapters' to the concretes in , but not essential ) [20:37]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:45 asciilifeform: , , for convenience. [20:37]
asciilifeform: *link [20:37]
mircea_popescu: aite. [20:37]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in ch.14 sneak peeks, modex(2048bit) : 0.296s , 4096bit : 1.786s , 8192bit : 10.766s . [20:40]
mircea_popescu: not even terrible. [20:41]
asciilifeform: ( compare vs ) [20:41]
mircea_popescu: aha. [20:41]
asciilifeform: the bad noose is that this was the last order-of-magnitude speedup up asciilifeform's sleeve [20:42]
asciilifeform: errything after, will be linear (e.g. asm mul, in the end, unrolled comba, etc) [20:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah, but by now it's in livable range. [20:42]
asciilifeform: the linears, i expect, will cut another ~tenfold [20:43]
mircea_popescu: besides, halves every 18 months rite. [20:43]
asciilifeform: lol [20:43]
asciilifeform: where's livable and where -- not, will depend on application. [20:43]
asciilifeform: for mircea_popescu's in particular, if you shorten the pubexp , you speed up (encipherment strictly) by b/exp, where b is bitness and exp is max len of your exp, times. [20:45]
asciilifeform: e.g. for mircea_popescu's euloratron, his exp is 64bits, and his pubkeys iirc round to 4096b, so that'll be a 0.028s encipherment. [20:46]
asciilifeform: for ~decipherment~ if one were to use crt, that'd be a 2 * 0.296 = 0.592s . [20:47]
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1872/2048 * 0.296 [20:48]
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 0.2705625 [20:48]
asciilifeform: ( granted, this figure does not include hashism, but hashism is a O(N) op ) [20:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, 1872 bit keys iirc. [20:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah so take the 2048 figure as base then [20:48]
mircea_popescu: yea [20:48]
asciilifeform: then will be 0.296 * ( 64 / 2048 ) = ~0.009 encrypt , and as for decrypts with crt, [20:49]
mircea_popescu: yeah, not bad. [20:50]
asciilifeform: 1024b (full width) currently 0.295s (exercise for reader -- why almost same as 2048?) [20:50]
asciilifeform: so given that factors of a 1872b key fit in 1024b ea., double of above will be your encrypt, approx, time. [20:51]
asciilifeform: err, decrypt [20:51]
asciilifeform: i.e. ~same as if you had 4096b keys (i.e. 2048b p and q) [20:51]
asciilifeform: all of these figs strictly concerning ch14, with no other optimiz. [20:52]
asciilifeform: ( and performed, as ch1-13 were, on asciilifeform's quite aged opteron, ~2009 ) [20:53]
asciilifeform: on, e.g., 64bit 'i7', goes roughly 2x of this speed. [20:55]
asciilifeform: ( if one is ready to jump with the parachute, and switch off boundary tests, that gives you another 2x ) [20:55]
asciilifeform: ^ which is about on par with koch's, interestingly [20:56]
asciilifeform: koch loses surprising amt of cycles to variablewidthisms/heapism. [20:56]
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz, will point out -- if one is satisfied with the correctness of the algos, the bound tests dun do anyffing useful ) [20:57]
asciilifeform: perhaps after coupla yrs of quality folx reading the thing, and live fire in battlefield, some folx will dare to switch'em off. [20:58]
mircea_popescu: in other news, i've made such chicken shorba a la grec as was never seen in the new world. off to partake. [20:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: enjoy [20:58]
* asciilifeform also bbl,meats [20:58]
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