Forum logs for 07 Dec 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
phf: mircea_popescu: ty [04:08]
BingoBoingo: !Xview B#1009 [07:18]
auctionbot: BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please enter order # as an integer [07:18]
BingoBoingo: !Xview 1009 [07:18]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins) [07:18]
BingoBoingo: ^ Only a few hours left to bid in this month's Pizarro auction [07:19]
Qntbtt: [09:12]
Qntbtt: [09:12]
diana_coman: what, is qntra not tracked by feedbot? [09:21]
asciilifeform: apparently not [09:21]
asciilifeform: spyked ^ [09:21]
BingoBoingo: Feedbot appears down atm [09:21]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the thing is annoying imho [09:22]
asciilifeform: there's, what, 5 copies of it on front page ? [09:22]
BingoBoingo: It will becomes less frequent [09:24]
BingoBoingo: Brb, going to invade a once outlaw culture and see if there is still any rebellion there or if it all got taken over by pussies [09:30]
mircea_popescu: <<-->> [10:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 14:12 Qntbtt: [10:09]
mircea_popescu: white bois gotta fucking learn already. kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp. do not "peaceful" hurr durr, that does 0. [10:10]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra got its own bot nao too ? [10:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ? [10:11]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : it was fucking amusing to discover that in nicole's generation, "a meme, pl memes" denotes simply... a captioned image. 0 awareness of the entire ~implication~ of social influence and narrative dominance for which the thing was so pompously named by the "words are magic"/"law of hopetraction" crowd. [10:13]
mircea_popescu: it simply got clipped! [10:13]
mircea_popescu: i suspect by the same methodology "women's rights" will be a byword for bdsm and "#metoo" another way to say "idiot" in another decade. god knows "you guys are POWER RANGERS!!!" reddit gushing went exactly that way. [10:16]
mircea_popescu: btw, BingoBoingo do you happen to have anywhere saved the original reddit "you guys are power rangers!!!" idiocy ? iirc was during hearn's wrecking fork. [10:16]
Mocky: good morning mircea_popescu [10:16]
mircea_popescu: heya. [10:16]
spyked: <-- apologies for the downtime. fleanode finally decided to sabotage all my connections while I wasn't looking [11:06]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 14:21 BingoBoingo: Feedbot appears down atm [11:06]
spyked: <-- sure thing! send me a list of feeds you want delivered (if a lot of them) and I'll have it join #eulora when you think it's appropriate (can sync up on that, e.g. tomorrow?) [11:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 03:55 lobbes: << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition [11:13]
mircea_popescu: keks [11:13]
spyked: lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience. [11:15]
spyked: mornin' mircea_popescu [11:16]
asciilifeform: << wouldn't hurt [11:22]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 15:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ? [11:22]
mats: mircea_popescu: whats the purpose of styrofoam in the cocktail? [12:07]
asciilifeform: mats: traditional ersatz napalm, iirc [12:08]
asciilifeform: mats: what i dunget is why mircea_popescu specified ~plastic~ bottles, these won't break and will harmlessly roll off tank [12:08]
mats: oh, the solution that results, imitates napalm stickiness [12:10]
mats: probably burns slower also [12:12]
mats: << <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 3240.58, Best ask: 3242.22, Bid-ask spread: 1.64000, Last trade: 3240.58, 24 hour volume: 21780.93020893, 24 hour low: 3222.0, 24 hour high: 3645.05, 24 hour vwap: 3388.72 [12:15]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 12:18 auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins) [12:15]
* mats smacks forehead [12:16]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1009 has ENDED: 2k wFF SOLD by mats for 499.99mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo [13:33]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I will take a look for it [13:46]
mircea_popescu: heya! [15:15]
mircea_popescu: mats plastifying agent, basically. [15:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they ~melt~. [15:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what good does it do if it melts on the ground after rolling off the target ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu: do the experiment at home, if you will, count the seconds between lighting "fuse" and item turning into flaming puddle. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: ~same as grenade, as specified. [15:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you throw it correctly. "what good is fused grenade ?!?!?" "you learn how to use it" [15:17]
asciilifeform: tru [15:18]
asciilifeform: glass makes for cheap 'impact fuse' tho, hence why still popular even tho plastic bottles are errywhere [15:19]
mircea_popescu: it is inferior in this application, if apparently counterintuitively so. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: doesn't always break, splatters rather than splashes, and so on. [15:19]
asciilifeform: ( as for frags, even industrially produced item suffers from 'if fuse is long enuff never to run out in yer hand, enemy can throw back' headache ) [15:20]
mircea_popescu: nobody's throwing back flaming plastic bottle, that's for damn sure. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: anyway, cheapness and accessibility are the overwhelming considerations. the half liter and 1 liter plastic bottles more ubiquitous than "human rights" [15:21]
mircea_popescu: but yes, is the image of the revolution. [15:22]
mircea_popescu: and quite specifically because, "kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp". [15:22]
mircea_popescu: revolution wins through that specific attrition, and in no other manner. [15:22]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which historic revolution actually fits the 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' model ? erry one i can think of had some participation of regular army with flipped sign bit [15:26]
mircea_popescu: it's the modern version of "breaking the will to larp". but consider the case of the old pretender : for 50 fucking years, the (orange) revolution was stuck killing the wanna-be-cop catholic larpers. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: (James Francis Edward Stuart, tryna be James III) [15:41]
mircea_popescu: if you take a narrow "history started in 1993" view, you can arrive at this "army" notion. but the actual equation underlying that ~as well as any other~ applications, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' [15:41]
asciilifeform: sure, and 1917 kept killing pretenders, and just about erry other example. but not with crowd hands. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: consider how the mexican cartel revolution in texas worked out. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: "oh, wikipedia doesn't recognize those events as such". hurr. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: depends on what you mean by "crowd". by tsarist books on "what's a crowd", lenin eminently crowd. [15:42]
asciilifeform: lenin + 2e6 folx coming back armed an' pissed from ww1 [15:43]
mircea_popescu: every once in a while some rando fucktard straggles in here, "oh, you people aren't the world's only sovereign". [15:43]
asciilifeform: eminently != brick throwers [15:43]
mircea_popescu: lumea s-a schimbat. [15:43]
mircea_popescu: doesn't take nearly as much to topple a tower of shit as a roman arch. [15:44]
asciilifeform: if contention is 'tower of shit, takes a few brick' -- i'll buy [15:44]
asciilifeform: point was, i dunno of any direct parallels in recent white man's hist [15:45]
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with yasser arafat ? semites not white ? how about ira ? [15:46]
asciilifeform: ( will observe that it seems to take moar bricks/molotovs than the 'dindus' of bmore are able to muster, to date, they 'revolution' ~yearly but it ain't detectable at all from 100km with naked eye ) [15:46]
mircea_popescu: how about corsican independence, how about kosovo independence, how abotu what have you ? [15:46]
asciilifeform: ira mega-example, gave up arms and went into reddit [15:46]
mircea_popescu: because they insist on being led by niggers. [15:46]
mircea_popescu: something along the problem. [15:46]
asciilifeform: arafat's folx ditto, still living in concentration camps [15:47]
mircea_popescu: well, i suspect the problem here is that you use a yet-unwritten history book. [15:47]
asciilifeform: possibly unwritten at least partly cuz not actually happened yet [15:47]
asciilifeform: 'kosovo independence' another mega-lol, product of nato bombers [15:49]
asciilifeform: kosovo is simply condom clinton wore when he waltzed serbia in erry hole [15:50]
asciilifeform: even ro '89 'revolution', which i suspect is mircea_popescu's basic model, dun quite fit pattern : old regime croaked precisely when regular army turned on securitate. ( and yet somehow even after this, iliescu -- communist -- ended up on throne ) [15:56]
asciilifeform: ( iirc mircea_popescu actually had a piece re subj, where not only about iliescu, but where all the new managerial class was also ex-party, because nobody else adequately literate, or how did it go ) [15:58]
mircea_popescu: you know, that suspicion is somewhat on the level of "i suspect surgeon likes knives. because surgeon, geddit ???". [16:11]
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- events can always be reinterpreted through a glass so strange nothing is left standing. i dunno that any argument can be brought to the level of broken lens. [16:11]
asciilifeform: i'd like to borrow the lens through which mircea_popescu saw his model, but i suspect it dun work with earthling eye. [16:12]
mircea_popescu: there's no speciffic reason clinton wanted or needed kosovo for. the item existed on the ground. [16:12]
asciilifeform: iirc the serbs were doing an a++ job of bugspraying it, until intervention [16:13]
mircea_popescu: the elements of that specific conflict were separately, the croats, the bosniaks, the serbs, kosovo, and the albanians. and, i suppose, to be exhaustive, the gypsies. [16:13]
asciilifeform: lol on whose side, the gypsies?! [16:14]
mircea_popescu: now then : the serbs decided to produce a national state out of old yugo, through the process of cleansing a portion of ye olde yugo of everyone else and adding it to serbia. [16:14]
mircea_popescu: this worked splendidly well, and through the exact process described : they started shooting the "cop" larpers until no one wanted to larp anymore. [16:14]
mircea_popescu: similarily, the palestine situation. you wanna read it in a batshit insane manner, but the truth is that in the 30s-50s there was ~no reason~ for there to be a palestine. and yet, another 50ish years later, the us recognized such a state. [16:16]
asciilifeform: palestine winners not called yet, arguably, so i'ma leave'em alone but what am i missing re serbs ? cuz iirc the 'larpers' won in the end [16:17]
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the cases where "army -- shot the would-be cops", from odessa to what have you, 2016 turkey, the point remains : shooting the larping pantsuit until no pantsuit left willing to larp is the only way. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "in the end" argument is about as boneheaded as "according to my painted-over skymask, the sky is maroon in color". [16:17]
mircea_popescu: in the end, kelvin won. [16:17]
asciilifeform: so contention is 'serbia not under pantsuit yoke' ? somehow ? or 'serbia will rise again?' or which is it [16:18]
mircea_popescu: contention is, "the only way through which revolution ~ever~ wins, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'". [16:18]
mircea_popescu: this says nothing of "in the end". that's nonsense, you've not yet done anything or not done anything that lives to this "in the end" stgandard. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: "in the end" ffa is a piece of shit, because events from star date 78987.4 [16:19]
asciilifeform: guaranteed to fail when sun burns out, lolyes [16:19]
mircea_popescu: so then. "the only way to have medicine is by washing hands" "in the end, corpse anyway" [16:19]
mircea_popescu: duh. that doesn't invalidate hygiene. [16:19]
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu was going for a historically, rather than philosophically, supported statement. ( i dun even disagree, as such, 1917 was over in ~1926 when ~100% opposition was dead/emigrated . but wasn't pushed out by bottle-throwers, no. ) [16:21]
asciilifeform: afaik last time 'amateurs' actually gave regular army a run for its money, was muentzer. ( and even there, debatable, had 'pro' leadership so possibly actual last time was... spartacus ? ) [16:25]
mircea_popescu: well i mean, what is the diff between historic and philosophic you propose here ? [16:29]
mircea_popescu: it's a historical fact, the only way for a revolution to win is for the wanna-be pantsuit cop larpers being killed, in such numbers as not to leave any behind. [16:30]
asciilifeform: killed -- yes [16:30]
mircea_popescu: this is true universally, whether that number turns out to be half a million or half a unit. [16:30]
asciilifeform: that's not the part i have nitpick for [16:30]
mircea_popescu: and it is also supported historically, in ALL cases. both ALL cases during our lifetimes and ALL cases during every other generation's lifetime. [16:30]
asciilifeform: ( seems like trivial fact, i can't possibly dispute it ) [16:30]
mircea_popescu: taking individual such examples and declaring "i interpret ~this~ particuylar case of 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' as somethingentirely else!!!" isn't gonna do much. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: the whole point is, "looky here good fellows, the similarity between pharoh tuth's death and granma ilsa's death down the street and every other smallpox death is -- variola virus!!" [16:32]
mircea_popescu: coming back with a "oh, but people died of rock crushing in ancient egypt more than now" is a very weird approach. [16:32]
asciilifeform: what i dun know of is any examples where the killin' wasn't done largely by orig regime's nominal armies with flipped sign bit. [16:32]
asciilifeform: ( or, i suppose, invader ) [16:32]
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing! think for a second : "i don't know of a case of a star created out of either foreign material or accreted local material" [16:33]
mircea_popescu: holy shit man, star is made out of H. that's what H is, starmaker. [16:33]
mircea_popescu: yes, the MEN THERE PRESENT will do the killing. [16:33]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck else ?! [16:33]
mircea_popescu: "oh, but briefly previously this very same H was labeled ''planet x''." so what the fuck ? [16:33]
* asciilifeform adjusts gas mask [16:35]
asciilifeform: i suppose if next week -- fr revolution, macron guillotined, nato expelled, etc -- i'ma have to eat hat [16:37]
mircea_popescu: in the specific case of weimar, it was sailors, specifically kiel sailors. ie, "not army". and so on, whoever it will have been it'll always have been the men present. [16:37]
asciilifeform: whoknows, maybe 5 d00dz with molotovs > regular fr army, at this pt [16:37]
mircea_popescu: experimentally, dozen doods with box cutters > usg "intelligence ocmmunity", two decades ago. [16:37]
asciilifeform: aha, or the serb baker with old s-100 vs reagan's $1b flying brick [16:38]
asciilifeform: does happen [16:38]
mircea_popescu: experimentally also, few k goatfuckers with kalash > nato army, decade ago. [16:38]
mircea_popescu: not a matter of "does happen". a matter of "strictly nothiong else happens". [16:38]
asciilifeform: well muentzers also happen neh [16:38]
mircea_popescu: or what, magically "palestine never turned tide" and ALSO "never heard of this afghanistan place-where-empires-go-to-die" simultaneously now !? [16:39]
asciilifeform: german algo ('if it moves, shoot it') would've 'solved' afghan. [16:40]
asciilifeform: ( why not applied, is separate q ) [16:40]
mircea_popescu: right. because, again, 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'. [16:40]
mircea_popescu: and "why not applied" never separate or separable question. always delivered in a package with all other answers : "because there wasn't who". [16:42]
asciilifeform: upstack, why is it that 'kiel sailors' != 'army' ? or on mircea_popescu's planet 'army' specifically means infantry ? ( on mine, it's broad brush for errybody who subject to mil discipline, uniform, under command of the nominal crown ) [16:44]
mircea_popescu: yes, traditionally in english "the army" means the army, as opposed to navy, airforce or marines etc. [16:45]
asciilifeform: hm. [16:45]
asciilifeform: btw lenin also with sailors. [16:45]
mircea_popescu: right. [16:45]
asciilifeform: ( at least, initially ) [16:45]
mircea_popescu: potemkin! [16:46]
asciilifeform: aurora [16:46]
* asciilifeform sings, 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...' [16:46]
mircea_popescu: Князь Потёмкин Таврический, you know, the silent film. [16:46]
asciilifeform: yes. wasn't a xor but a +. [16:47]
mircea_popescu: they refugeed in ro, btw. [16:47]
asciilifeform: iirc ro didn't start throwing folx back until dej [16:47]
mircea_popescu: by then... [16:48]
mircea_popescu: this was iirc early 1900s. [16:48]
asciilifeform: aha [16:48]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat [16:56]
feedbot: << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), November 2018 Statement [17:19]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ lemme know if issues. [18:01]
lobbes: << this may work there's only ~5 feeds iirc. Question is: would using the !1subscribe method flood the channel with old blog posts, or would it just grab the new ones? [20:18]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 16:15 spyked: lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience. [20:18]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other wtfs, [21:54]
mircea_popescu: OleanderBloom 21F Exploring 3m "I do apologize for seeming unintelligent, and I must also politely decline the offer. I am not polyamourous. I do however hope you find another new edition to your existing relationships. :)" [22:18]
mircea_popescu: nothing beats a little bit o' arudition [22:18]
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