Forum logs for 06 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	Test system should try OpenBSD on SPARC	[00:06]
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ThickAsThieves	http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html	[00:08]
ozbot	Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org	[00:08]
ThickAsThieves	"Update: The charts below have temporarily gone flat. That's not a bug -- I'm still getting fresh data."	[00:09]
ThickAsThieves	"The Mt.Gox IRC support channel tells me this flatness is a result of their hot wallet currently being empty. Most users who try to withdraw now get an "invalid address" error, meaning the withdrawal attempt fails before a transaction is created that can get stuck."	[00:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.109 = 0.436 BTC [-]	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]	[00:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51997563 = 2.5999 BTC [+]	[00:12]
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davout	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6DGs3qjRwQ	[00:14]
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jurov	as i said, they were inspired by bitfunder/weexchange	[00:18]
jurov	includein the very error message	[00:18]
jurov	*including	[00:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00518006 = 2.59 BTC [+] {11}	[00:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00518002 = 0.2279 BTC [-]	[00:20]
pLambert	So MtGox is out of money now? Who uses them still?	[00:21]
ThickAsThieves	the guy that sold all those puts	[00:21]
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benkay	el oh el	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	pLambert anyone who missed all those warnings since april ?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	every 80 bux in the price is like a million dollars due to all the magnificent leverage of options.	[00:23]
pLambert	people keep seeing "I can't get my money out of MtGox", but they think the problem is just going to go away and fix itself?	[00:24]
benkay	yes.	[00:24]
ThickAsThieves	mircea maybe we need to send you back to the forum to learn from MPOE-PR	[00:24]
benkay	i am currently hammering this point home in the portland bitcoin channel.	[00:24]
benkay	evaluation criteria: management teams, past performance	[00:24]
benkay	the gox mgmt team has a history of incompetence	[00:24]
benkay	the gox operation as a history of completely fucking it up	[00:24]
benkay	has* [14:05]	[00:24]
benkay	and also yes, i put a huge risk premium on anything having to do with	[00:25]
benkay	btc. anyone with whom i'm going to put btc on deposit must have a	[00:25]
benkay	completely stellar and unsmirched record.	[00:25]
benkay	coins will drift out of wallets operated by people who do not adhere	[00:25]
benkay	to this philosophy.	[00:25]
pLambert	so does mtgox not have any bitcoins, or do they just not have any in their hot wallet?	[00:25]
benkay	question of the day.	[00:26]
BingoBoingo	Is there an Ohio BTC channel? I need to remind them that they live in a bubbling shitpit and their rivers are flamable.	[00:26]
benkay	second question of the day: how long does it take them to move weight into their hot wallet?	[00:26]
BingoBoingo	pLambert: They never had enough. Not since 2010 by my count.	[00:26]
benkay	third question of the day: can they survive a bank run?	[00:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves whassat ?	[00:27]
BingoBoingo	benkay: They've already died in fiat bankruns. Dunno how BTC bank runs can make gox more dead.	[00:27]
punkman	when did they start running fractional reserve anyway?	[00:27]
pLambert	bank run? if there is no bitcoin they just stop allowing withdrawals	[00:27]
BingoBoingo	punkman: They went fractional in 2010 after their first hack.	[00:27]
ThickAsThieves	well let's be absurd about it: Current Avg Withdrawal * Current Stuck Transactions = 41662.5btc	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	punkman it's unclear but it was announced in april 2013.	[00:28]
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pLambert	and how many millions were seized by the US through dwolla?	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves whassat ? <<< to learn how to hold onto your bitcoins	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	wait what'd i do ?!	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt.	[00:28]
punkman	guess when they lost millions to Dwolla might have been a good time	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	if mtgox goes to shit puts hurt mpoebot makes dough	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	punkman the dwolla thing sunk tradehill, but mtgox was not seriously affected then.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	in fact i still suspect the dwolla thing was a backroom deal between the two to strangle competition.	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	you mean if gox goes to shit by not allowing bitcoin exits, i mean by not allowing fiat exits	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	right?	[00:29]
davout	mircea_popescu: if mtgox goes down you think btc goes down too?	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:29]
pLambert	I think the mtgoox has shrunk enough that if they close it will not destroy the exchange rate	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	davout even if it only goes down a little through mtgox being taken out of the basket.	[00:29]
pLambert	and people have been pricing in the expected collapse of mtgox for almost a year now	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	currently they're adding a few %s to the avg.	[00:30]
davout	mircea_popescu: oic	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	pLambert this is more of a nominalist thing than anything. bitcoin's long term prospects w/o mtgox are way better than with it.	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	I read the $5m were seized from Gox related to silk road	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	they probly let those dollars get spent on btc	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	in fact, the destruction of the original scumfest (the people gorupped around blf, bitcoinica, mtgox, the foundation) is the best thing that can happen for btc.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	and well... chip chip.	[00:31]
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pLambert	mircea_popescu: if mtgox had suddenly shut down when they had 90% of the market the price would tank, now the price might slip a bit but not much	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	they keep trying comebacks, but they aren't getting anywhere with them. meanwhile they bleed marketshare on good days, and they get taken out wholesale now and again.	[00:31]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Those GOx seizures were pre-TSR bust	[00:32]
punkman	they don't even make the top 5 in volume most days	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	I know	[00:32]
davout	from the wiki in 2015: "victim of its own success mtgox will went back to trading magic the gathering cards in summer 2014"	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	but recently revealed more info	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i swear i read somewhere that SR was actually part of it	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	just that it couldnt be announced back then	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	could also be what fucked up the Coinlab thing	[00:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1099 = 0.3297 BTC [+]	[00:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+]	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	other than it involving coinlab...	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	lol. right. coinlab needed so much help.	[00:35]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449932.0 << believe it or not, someone still says "information superhighway". not ironically.	[00:37]
ozbot	Petition-LETTER to regulator Ben Lawsky of NY "The World is Watching on Bitcoin"	[00:37]
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ThickAsThieves	i suspect Lawsky doesnt need to be sent a letter	[00:38]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[00:38]
gribble	Current Blocks: 284354 \| Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 \| Next Difficulty In: 1917 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 2828879503.75 \| Estimated Percent Change: 7.91465	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	yeah, probably the head of the boss of whatever mob family paid for his position would work better.	[00:39]
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ThickAsThieves	http://investor-relations.thestreet.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=823490	[00:50]
ozbot	New Survey: 79% Of Consumers Would Never Consider Using Alternative Currency Like Bitcoin (NASDAQ:TS	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[00:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	im sorry i don't have a handy link to the 1905 study asking the population of manchester if they'd ever fly across the atlantic in a plane.	[00:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.02383907 = 2.3839 BTC [-]	[00:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10918 = 0.5459 BTC [+] {2}	[00:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[00:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1061 @ 0.001773 = 1.8812 BTC [+]	[00:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]	[00:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3}	[00:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.09966666 = 0.299 BTC [-] {2}	[00:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]	[00:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]	[01:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2070 @ 0.000121 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}	[01:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.3615 BTC [-]	[01:04]
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btc-monkey	Damn Gox going down hard	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[01:05]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 908.79667, Best ask: 909.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.20333, Last trade: 905.0, 24 hour volume: 4942.50335387, 24 hour low: 900.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 917.68982	[01:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 930 @ 0.00012 = 0.1116 BTC [-]	[01:05]
assbot	123!	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose its better to have goxcash than goxcoins	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	o shit	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	one doesn't preclude the other and now you've jinxed it haven't you	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	karpeles will be making wafflecoin this year	[01:06]
deadweasel	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers	[01:06]
ozbot	EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers \| Electronic Frontier Fo	[01:06]
jurov	meanwhile in slovenia, bitstamp goes overboard with doxing	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	convert all your gox bitcoins to BounceyBallCoins!	[01:06]
jurov	i heard compalints they have very creepy questions	[01:06]
jurov	and want to reverify documents	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	someone should just cut the gordian knot already and do SiPexchange.	[01:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	they send you a pen, you film yourself fucking the pen and send the thing over	[01:07]
BingoBoingo	I'm telling you gox could say Gox BTC == 10^8 Gox USD tomorrow, because all is play money	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	you may now trade.	[01:07]
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ThickAsThieves	it's gonna be a bloody evening	[01:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	But in December, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses a	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	ssociated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly ? how is the us legal system still a thing ?	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	the only reasonable answer to this sort of crap being "get fucked"	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	what business sends over its book just because someone wants to see it ?!	[01:09]
herbijudlestoids	morning folks :)	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	ello	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://nj.gov/oag/newsreleases13/pr20131119a.html << there you go, esports botnet.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	total take ? why, like 3500 bucks.	[01:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]	[01:12]
herbijudlestoids	so last night i was thinking of forking tails, and ripping out tor and filling it with i2p app goodness	[01:13]
herbijudlestoids	because right now the latest tails is one version behind on i2p	[01:13]
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DrSteveBrule	hello everyone :)	[01:13]
herbijudlestoids	but i found this http://www.ipredia.org/ ...unfortunately also one version behind	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	are you so certain of i2p strength ?	[01:13]
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herbijudlestoids	nope, if i was, i wouldnt bother with OTR	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	so then why bother.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	tho an actually secure replacement for the web would be a decent use of bitcoin resources.	[01:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.00325 = 0.2698 BTC [+]	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	not even compatible, mind you. pick port 90 and create a wholly and completely different thing.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	ideally based on a stateful protocol.	[01:15]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: there was a guy very much like satoshi who came up with iip/i2p originally....very smart guy, i remember i used to hang on the #iip chatroom inside iip back when i was a kid	[01:15]
herbijudlestoids	its pretty secure	[01:15]
herbijudlestoids	but i cant really be sure	[01:15]
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mircea_popescu	pretty secure crypto is like reasonably healthy whore.	[01:15]
herbijudlestoids	i view it as like...sort of like a 'actually secure replacement for the s/web/internet' ...kind of like a public VPN that anyone can piss in	[01:16]
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herbijudlestoids	the problem with i2p is the problem with all p2p networks	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	nah, you want an adressing scheme where the routing of packets depends on the destination's identity.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	that came out stupid.	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	you want an adressing scheme where the reading of packets depends on the destination's identity.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	some sort of "gpg encrypted to ip"	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	if you're not X the packet's gibberish	[01:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]	[01:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250021 BTC [-]	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	makes all route nodes unable to filter traffic, plain and simple.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	built-in net neutrality.	[01:19]
herbijudlestoids	explain	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with gpg right ?	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 390 @ 0.00304796 = 1.1887 BTC [+] {3}	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 87 @ 0.00328189 = 0.2855 BTC [+]	[01:20]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: yes, just wanting to see if what youre after is matched by https://geti2p.net/en/docs/how/garlic-routing	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	well, if i give you a list of gpg messages encrypted to a bunch of my friend's keys	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	all you can do is deliver them or not deliver them	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	you can't possibly deliver all those about apples, but keep all those about fish	[01:21]
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mircea_popescu	meh, all this onion/garlic bs.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i am not at all interested in keeping secret my identity.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i am strictly interested in keeping secret the messages passed back and forth.	[01:23]
herbijudlestoids	well that seems a bit odd	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	tbh it seems to me all the enthusiasm of the darknet people is woefully misdirected.	[01:23]
herbijudlestoids	so you hold no concern over the security of your metadata?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	none.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	and i think mixing together securitization of data and of metadata is an epic mistake.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	these are wildly divergent usecases.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	moreover, it's like trying to make a chowchow swim.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	you're better served by a dry chow chow and an otter.	[01:25]
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herbijudlestoids	well i personally am not mixing them lol	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	see ?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	nobody sane is mixing them	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	except the kids doing stuff like onions, garlic and other vegetables.	[01:26]
herbijudlestoids	do you feel like i2p at least makes a reasonable tool for metadata securitization, to use your term?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	someone they have in their wot should tell them this is prime rib of stupid. separate these.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning.	[01:27]
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mircea_popescu	i have no idea if it does or doesn't and really can't be arsed to find out, cause what do i care.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	but i tell you... i am mp. i have always been mp. everyone else is fkghsgeiohgiurehg. to what gain and for what benefit ?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	none.	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-]	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	it's just this stupid thing everyone does because everyone's doing.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	"gotta have a sikrit nick!!1"	[01:28]
herbijudlestoids	lol let me be frank	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	ok, so you're frank.	[01:28]
herbijudlestoids	if i thought i could conduct the communicatoins i needed over OTR using jabber	[01:28]
herbijudlestoids	i would	[01:28]
herbijudlestoids	but there is certain communications that i simply dont want associated with my actual identity	[01:29]
herbijudlestoids	so i need a mixnet to handle the traffic	[01:29]
FabianB_	what you're describing sounds like cjdns (encryption of the network, but i think not anonymity)	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	what, exactly ? so i feel like posting nudes one day. herpderp what, god forbid someone associates it ?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	let them associte it, what of.	[01:29]
herbijudlestoids	OTR keeps the actual messages secure	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	i think you're confused as to what otr actually does.	[01:29]
herbijudlestoids	FabianB_: i know cjdns, prefer i2p	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	FabianB_ iguess it does huh	[01:30]
FabianB_	herbijudlestoids: coz you want the anonymity i guess	[01:30]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: why do you seem to think OTR does not encrypt the conversations?	[01:31]
herbijudlestoids	second time youve mentioned it	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids otr makes exactly two guarantees : that only your intended recipient can read your next line, and that should someone obtain the plaintext of your communications they can't prove that it is in fact yours rather than theirs.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't make the gpg guarantee that old conversations can never be read by third parties.	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012001 = 0.36 BTC [-]	[01:33]
herbijudlestoids	...	[01:33]
herbijudlestoids	are you referring to perfect forward secrecy?	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1089625 = 0.8717 BTC [+] {2}	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	that's probably a narrowing down, but anyway	[01:34]
herbijudlestoids	OTR implements perfect forward secrecyt	[01:35]
herbijudlestoids	each message has its own discarded AES key negotiated by DH	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	"Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes.	[01:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1099 = 0.9891 BTC [+]	[01:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250002 BTC [-]	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	this is reflected in many implementations - you can generally find plaintext logs of old otr convos if you dig up your log dir.	[01:39]
herbijudlestoids	lucky i use tails	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	i'm by no means saying otr is bad or anything. i use it extensively for that matter	[01:40]
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herbijudlestoids	i find it confusing because you seem to imply the messages are not encrypted	[01:41]
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herbijudlestoids	being able to forge additional messages post conversation really means nothing to my threat model	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	certainly they're encrypted.	[01:42]
herbijudlestoids	but theyre not "secure"?	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ?	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	cause if you didn't i'd guess it's possible the forging aditional messages may mean something even for your threat model :)	[01:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-]	[01:44]
herbijudlestoids	err no, because youre talking about tying my identity to a key	[01:44]
herbijudlestoids	who is this "me" who promised "you" a thing	[01:44]
herbijudlestoids	i dunno who that is	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	right.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	kind-of why gribble implements ;;ident	[01:45]
herbijudlestoids	i got no issues with GPG, but most of the conversations where i care about the security of it, i dont want it tied to my identity if at all possible	[01:45]
herbijudlestoids	some things i work on, require very very high opsec	[01:45]
herbijudlestoids	at least for peace of mind	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	now, the security provided by ;;ident is necessary for business. the security provided by otr is necessary for gossip	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	since i do more business than gossip... i'm not so impressed with onion and garlic and so on.	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50550001 = 1.011 BTC [-] {2}	[01:46]
herbijudlestoids	ignore the nomenclature, i just pasted the link to see if it met your requirements of passing traffic based on keys	[01:46]
herbijudlestoids	which i think it does...	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i'm just codgery and will find random things to bitch about	[01:46]
herbijudlestoids	im used to the type i guess lol, spent some time with owsley in his old age, very codger	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	the overhead on this thing seems nutty.	[01:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+]	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	see, this is why i say it fails : the overhead imposed by all the sha(sha(sha(sha bs to keep metadata secret from downstream hops	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	makes it fucking unusable.	[01:48]
herbijudlestoids	its extremely usable	[01:48]
herbijudlestoids	im using it lol	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	just gpg the package and send it over. i definitely like fabian's cjdns much more	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	hey dub, what if all internet traffic henceforth needed 4 tunnels built up per connection ?	[01:49]
herbijudlestoids	lel	[01:49]
herbijudlestoids	why would you use it for all internet traffic	[01:50]
herbijudlestoids	the whole point is to use it for traffic that you dont want associated with your IP	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	you do not understand the nature of idiocy.	[01:50]
herbijudlestoids	always possible, explain it for me	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	the whole point of the bitcoin code was to prototype an idea, not to be used for srs.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	and if you think the point of http was webstores...	[01:52]
herbijudlestoids	so youre saying? idiots will use i2p for uses other than its original use?	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	imo, ianae etc.	[01:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [+]	[01:54]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu i want to send you a message. but i dont want anyone to know it was me that sent you the message	[01:54]
jurov	heh. last time you were completely fine with needing a middleman because both computers connected to "internet" are behind NAT	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[01:54]
jurov	that's unnecessary ovehead, too	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	jurov not in the same sense, is it ? nat is unnecessary overhead in the sense shoes are unnecessary overhead.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	they're not overhead, they're undefoot.	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I have to say I underestimated you when you first arrived, but you are still only halfway to Bitcoin	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	Encryption is the boring part of GPG	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	Shit doesn't get interesting until signatures.	[01:56]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu lets just say if certain people found out it was me who sent you the message, they could turn up at my doorstep and coerce more messages from me	[01:56]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so fyck you then, why am i talking to you ?	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Black bag / Rubber Hose cryptoanalysis is more expensive than people imagine.	[01:56]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu well when i say you its the "example" you, not the actual mirpop you	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	but my point is :	[01:57]
herbijudlestoids	so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest together	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it	[01:57]
herbijudlestoids	(im not)	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	tho it seems unlikely they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all the manuscripts they got	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	and those cost $$$	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	but if you imagine random joe q person is going to spend resources to go through messages that cost nothing to make up	[01:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.109 = 1.526 BTC [+]	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated.	[01:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[01:58]
herbijudlestoids	i know my threat model :)	[01:58]
herbijudlestoids	i cant say too much about it	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	that's fine, forget your model.	[01:58]
ThickAsThieves	it's DPR!	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	think about what's likely to happen irl, when designing.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	instead of starting from weird edge cases, which then result in insane implementations that protect things that in the end don't matter.	[01:59]
herbijudlestoids	but if youre willing to accept the idea that i might like to discuss things with someone and not have parties on the wire who can identify me conversating specifically with that person...	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well.	[01:59]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[01:59]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 904.7, Best ask: 904.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 904.7, 24 hour volume: 7160.10059477, 24 hour low: 890.1731, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 911.77043	[01:59]
herbijudlestoids	soooo	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	i don't need an entire networking protocol to do that, tho.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.	[02:00]
herbijudlestoids	lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then	[02:00]
herbijudlestoids	what would you suggest i do	[02:00]
herbijudlestoids	i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid.	[02:00]
lippoper	we only talk in person	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ?	[02:00]
herbijudlestoids	lippoper: i didnt hire you	[02:00]
lippoper	leave all electronics behind ;-)	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ?	[02:01]
lippoper	Well, that's your first problem ;-)	[02:01]
herbijudlestoids	no	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ?	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	If everything abut you is secret you get ignored.	[02:01]
herbijudlestoids	yes.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	is X friendly or hostile ?	[02:01]
herbijudlestoids	X is friendly	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	What is X is incredibly hostile?	[02:02]
lippoper	what about Y?	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	You just don't know it yet.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	have them listen to radio shows	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	worked just fine in ww2.	[02:02]
*	herbijudlestoids lel	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Bingo	[02:02]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins	[02:03]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel,	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	you've already lost most of the battle.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	keep the channel secret in your model.	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine.	[02:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [+]	[02:04]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[02:04]
herbijudlestoids	all they could possibly know is that im using i2p	[02:04]
asciilifeform	steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics;	[02:05]
herbijudlestoids	there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages...	[02:05]
asciilifeform	but it is by its very nature non-standardizable.	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	i2p makes tor look easy.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	just don't standardize i nthe first place.	[02:05]
herbijudlestoids	not sure what you mean	[02:06]
herbijudlestoids	what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p	[02:06]
herbijudlestoids	how is the channel known	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer.	[02:06]
herbijudlestoids	dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time	[02:07]
asciilifeform	standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats"	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	again, worked fine in ww2.	[02:08]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside...	[02:08]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol	[02:08]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like.	[02:09]
herbijudlestoids	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire	[02:09]
ozbot	Socialist millionaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ?	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	i gues in the sense of no signatures...	[02:11]
asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected?	[02:11]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that	[02:11]
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asciilifeform	no need to be specific	[02:11]
asciilifeform	just generalities	[02:11]
herbijudlestoids	the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple	[02:12]
asciilifeform	e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez'	[02:12]
herbijudlestoids	there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it	[02:12]
herbijudlestoids	we need to talk...maybe once a month or less...	[02:12]
herbijudlestoids	over the internet.	[02:12]
asciilifeform	talk in real time?	[02:13]
herbijudlestoids	yes.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	i doubt otr actually covers this case.	[02:13]
herbijudlestoids	it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project.	[02:13]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	they can take place over the naked body of mary.	[02:14]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person?	[02:15]
asciilifeform	it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live.	[02:15]
herbijudlestoids	i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P	[02:15]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: explain?	[02:16]
asciilifeform	http://www.ussrback.com/crypto/rsa/TWINKLE/twinkle.html	[02:16]
herbijudlestoids	ah F2F	[02:16]
herbijudlestoids	if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to.	[02:17]
herbijudlestoids	yeah...no...i would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms	[02:17]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :)	[02:17]
asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint?	[02:17]
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asciilifeform	because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain.	[02:18]
herbijudlestoids	haha	[02:18]
herbijudlestoids	why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	agree on public keys, and encrypt	[02:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC	[02:18]
asciilifeform	the agreement only needs to happen once	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway	[02:19]
herbijudlestoids	i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain!	[02:19]
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asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it	[02:19]
herbijudlestoids	lel you guys crack me up	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D	[02:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	shit, beaten to it again	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	i gotta learn to touchtype already.	[02:20]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ?	[02:20]
asciilifeform	because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	at least in some people's estimation.	[02:20]
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herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk.	[02:21]
BingoBoingo	I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists...	[02:21]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	acid prolly works...	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Not exactly	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	More like a complacency relaxer	[02:22]
herbijudlestoids	so you want to increase your motivation?	[02:22]
herbijudlestoids	try l-tyrosine	[02:22]
herbijudlestoids	catecholamine precursor.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example:	[02:23]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/YQ0b2Lmp	[02:23]
ozbot	[Python] caster - Pastebin.com	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093557 = 6.2683 BTC [+] {2}	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic85874.html	[02:24]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this?	[02:24]
ozbot	Zyprexa withdrawal Horror stories : Anti-Psych Forum - Psych forums	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	pretty good shit.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	you people and your synthetic helpers.	[02:24]
asciilifeform	and http://pastebin.com/Uw9syzhV	[02:25]
herbijudlestoids	i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :)	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious...	[02:25]
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asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain.	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine	[02:27]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :)	[02:27]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines	[02:27]
ThickAsThieves	fava beans are the best beans	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways.	[02:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29031 @ 0.00093295 = 27.0845 BTC [-] {2}	[02:28]
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BingoBoingo	Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine	[02:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10072 @ 0.00092835 = 9.3503 BTC [-]	[02:30]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[02:30]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 875.0, Best ask: 885.0, Bid-ask spread: 10.00000, Last trade: 885.0, 24 hour volume: 8996.57601486, 24 hour low: 870.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 905.17233	[02:30]
BingoBoingo	;;lasers	[02:30]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[02:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[02:30]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine	[02:30]
herbijudlestoids	same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan	[02:30]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone	[02:31]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement	[02:31]
asciilifeform	dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever.	[02:31]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade.	[02:32]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute	[02:32]
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asciilifeform	serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver.	[02:33]
herbijudlestoids	5-htp is the l-dopa of serotonin...is what i meant	[02:33]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin.	[02:33]
herbijudlestoids	who cares about in vitro	[02:34]
herbijudlestoids	i am talking about when you eat it	[02:34]
herbijudlestoids	in vivo	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor.	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open.	[02:35]
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herbijudlestoids	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2357555	[02:35]
ozbot	Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI	[02:35]
herbijudlestoids	"Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. "	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis.	[02:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009358 = 4.913 BTC [+]	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels.	[02:37]
herbijudlestoids	we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency	[02:37]
herbijudlestoids	i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together.	[02:37]
herbijudlestoids	my 2c :)	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/02d74622f0955143cb0d95a07d983fec/tumblr_mfoxk60OCb1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile irl...	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety.	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	Tits	[02:38]
ThickAsThieves	850	[02:39]
cazalla	that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that	[02:39]
cazalla	and what type of parent would give consent	[02:39]
herbijudlestoids	lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency	[02:39]
asciilifeform	in what universe is 'meth' cheap?	[02:40]
herbijudlestoids	cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :)	[02:40]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla no need for parental consent in the us.	[02:40]
herbijudlestoids	cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you.	[02:41]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Missouri	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street.	[02:41]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked?	[02:41]
herbijudlestoids	she seems out of place	[02:41]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: <3	[02:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit.	[02:41]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :)	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask.	[02:42]
asciilifeform	then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out.	[02:42]
cazalla	herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old?	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it.	[02:43]
herbijudlestoids	cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up	[02:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 512 @ 0.00082279 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {4}	[02:43]
asciilifeform	the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'	[02:43]
benkay	translation?	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	esp. now that 'silk road' is done	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ?	[02:43]
herbijudlestoids	cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;)	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit	[02:44]
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cazalla	not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hawaii-family-sues-dentist-root-canal-left-3-year-old-girl-brain-dead-article-1.1565600	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	here's a good one.	[02:44]
ozbot	Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	think about it... root canals in milk teeth.	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR	[02:45]
herbijudlestoids	cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :)	[02:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1488 @ 0.00076609 = 1.1399 BTC [-] {15}	[02:45]
cazalla	3 year olds need root canal?	[02:45]
cazalla	must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk	[02:45]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	cazalla in the us, yes.	[02:45]
asciilifeform	low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy.	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers	[02:47]
asciilifeform	.22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world	[02:47]
BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU	[02:48]
ozbot	homicide da union - YouTube	[02:48]
asciilifeform	traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head.	[02:48]
herbijudlestoids	ew	[02:48]
asciilifeform	every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues	[02:49]
herbijudlestoids	let me tell you guys about our prime minister	[02:50]
herbijudlestoids	his name is tony abbott	[02:50]
herbijudlestoids	imagine george bush	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	da union has the best videos on Youtube	[02:50]
herbijudlestoids	and then take away all of the intelligence	[02:50]
herbijudlestoids	thats tony abbott	[02:50]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: light the meat? why?	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel.	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM	[02:52]
ozbot	FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube	[02:52]
herbijudlestoids	ill tell you guys what	[02:52]
herbijudlestoids	i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight	[02:53]
asciilifeform	saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel.	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time.	[02:55]
herbijudlestoids	i fucken hate this guy	[02:55]
herbijudlestoids	i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard	[02:55]
herbijudlestoids	but i love john howard compared to tony abbott...	[02:55]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJLTSP8g_4	[02:55]
wao-ender	so	[02:55]
ozbot	REAL STL HOOD FIGHTZ- "Cam vs. J.R. Pt. 2" (Unedited) - YouTube	[02:56]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol	[02:59]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I dunno	[03:00]
herbijudlestoids	the answer is no	[03:00]
herbijudlestoids	waste of 4 minutes	[03:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00093457 = 21.2147 BTC [+]	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance?	[03:01]
herbijudlestoids	there is no part 3	[03:01]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ?	[03:02]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: against abbott?	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	yea	[03:02]
herbijudlestoids	let me show you a video	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	ain't nobody got no time for that.	[03:04]
herbijudlestoids	its lelworthy, 2m43s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ	[03:04]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	Ain't nobody got time for dat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKI7ArSvlY	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Lnk plox?	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/maxkeiser	[03:08]
ozbot	Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	good for a lol.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	(no actual link to the thing anywhere there)	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	"As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later."	[03:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.50230358 = 18.0829 BTC [-] {19}	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/LionelMedia/status/431114885024722944	[03:09]
ozbot	Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ...	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	people.	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs.	[03:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49300333 = 1.479 BTC [-] {3}	[03:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431233382152810497	[03:10]
ozbot	Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438150.0	[03:11]
ozbot	[PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation.	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs?	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	THere's some good VHDL cores for that.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	course the code got leaked	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao...	[03:13]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube	[03:13]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance.	[03:13]
pankkake	videos of "nigger friday"?	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320659.msg4952359#msg4952359	[03:14]
ozbot	[MCXNOW IPO] : 11,000 BTC raised [ UPDATE : OVER ]	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of.	[03:15]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no ?!	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	but how could that be.	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4?	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:15]
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nubbins`	you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice	[03:15]
nubbins`	try atropine or scopolamine type stuff	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	"just get married" ?	[03:16]
nubbins`	ha	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route.	[03:16]
herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis.	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	At the right doses	[03:16]
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nubbins`	herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other	[03:16]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker.	[03:17]
Vexual	eat lead paint	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	you know it's spelled delirium	[03:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169 = 0.3507 BTC [+]	[03:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 225 @ 0.01806074 = 4.0637 BTC [-]	[03:17]
nubbins`	i was gonna let the spelling slide	[03:17]
nubbins`	bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	me too but it was taking up a life of its own	[03:18]
herbijudlestoids	so it is	[03:18]
nubbins`	deleterious delirium	[03:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00514563 = 0.319 BTC [-] {7}	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	hilatarious	[03:18]
nubbins`	either way	[03:18]
nubbins`	you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	complete my foot.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	that's psychosis.	[03:19]
nubbins`	haha	[03:19]
BingoBoingo	But atropine 'could' be delerium	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	"you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111"	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	guy walks into a pole	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits	[03:20]
nubbins`	HEH	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[03:20]
nubbins`	see?	[03:20]
nubbins`	complete awareness	[03:20]
nubbins`	dude knew what he was doing all along	[03:20]
nubbins`	anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess	[03:21]
nubbins`	what of it?	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	there are ?!	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	dude the more i hear of canada...	[03:21]
nubbins`	the more you wanna move here	[03:21]
nubbins`	i know	[03:21]
herbijudlestoids	haha holy shit	[03:21]
herbijudlestoids	slashdot has changed interfaces	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	um no. i don't like virginz.	[03:22]
herbijudlestoids	the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface	[03:22]
nubbins`	i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle.	[03:22]
nubbins`	i kid	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot?	[03:22]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out?	[03:22]
Vexual	if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way?	[03:22]
nubbins`	Vexual, the hymens regrow	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I know the answer is 143	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass.	[03:23]
nubbins`	anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness	[03:23]
nubbins`	check this gem out:	[03:23]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4K0LqTC5w	[03:23]
ozbot	Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	i use condoms anyway	[03:24]
herbijudlestoids	"It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] "	[03:24]
herbijudlestoids	...appetizing.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	it's a mistranslation.	[03:24]
herbijudlestoids	yea i know lol, iranian, remember?	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	"desirable"	[03:25]
nubbins`	condoms, what's that, a euro thing?	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	lol "it's not a purse, it's european"	[03:26]
nubbins`	eternal erections would become gangrenous	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;.	[03:26]
nubbins`	again, i kid ;(	[03:26]
nubbins`	we have aids here in canada too	[03:26]
*	BingoBoingo suggest Canadia lacks a certain .txt	[03:27]
nubbins`	hah	[03:27]
nubbins`	in this province, yes	[03:27]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene.	[03:27]
BingoBoingo	Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt	[03:27]
nubbins`	ooh good crossover joke	[03:27]
nubbins`	actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows	[03:28]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057	[03:28]
ozbot	2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly	[03:28]
nubbins`	hm	[03:28]
nubbins`	some sort of bloodlock system	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	no, no lock.	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there.	[03:28]
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mircea_popescu	just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there	[03:29]
nubbins`	well i just mean like an airlock	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	allah sez.	[03:29]
nubbins`	new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out	[03:29]
herbijudlestoids	www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list	[03:29]
nubbins`	you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting	[03:29]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/anorexia-patient-told-by-er-nurse-to-go-get-some-supper-1.2523913	[03:30]
ozbot	Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[03:30]
Mats_cd03	i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE	[03:30]
nubbins`	ah, this place is something else	[03:30]
Mats_cd03	what do i have to look forward to	[03:30]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point	[03:31]
Mats_cd03	hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer	[03:31]
nubbins`	haha	[03:31]
nubbins`	deep fryers, jeez	[03:32]
nubbins`	why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas?	[03:32]
Mats_cd03	i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken	[03:32]
Mats_cd03	i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious	[03:32]
Vexual	swirling a wok can do that	[03:32]
nubbins`	all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap	[03:32]
nubbins`	^	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit?	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4542 @ 0.00093387 = 4.2416 BTC [-]	[03:33]
Mats_cd03	what is that	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers	[03:33]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are	[03:34]
herbijudlestoids	re openstack	[03:34]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM	[03:34]
nubbins`	i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book	[03:34]
pankkake	omg	[03:34]
pankkake	who am I?	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[03:35]
nubbins`	i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick	[03:35]
nubbins`	you're all flat, like a pankkake :(	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	dick ?	[03:35]
Mats_cd03	BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ?	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right?	[03:35]
nubbins`	yeah, first page	[03:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Because somolia	[03:36]
nubbins`	just a rough draft of course ;p	[03:36]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation	[03:36]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham?	[03:36]
nubbins`	i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ?	[03:36]
*	BingoBoingo wonder what nubbins` draws me like...	[03:37]
nubbins`	honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip	[03:37]
pankkake	anyway, awesome	[03:37]
nubbins`	then had to fix it as best i could ;(	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal	[03:37]
nubbins`	for easy storage, natch	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now	[03:38]
nubbins`	hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[03:38]
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nubbins`	strike this from the logs!	[03:38]
pankkake	though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ?	[03:38]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: nope	[03:38]
nubbins`	i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up	[03:39]
nubbins`	*drew	[03:39]
nubbins`	full of ink blobs	[03:39]
pankkake	I had turbinoplasty	[03:39]
pankkake	my nose is TURBINES	[03:39]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	now you can ipo your head	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	for a mining farm based on wind turbines	[03:39]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin	[03:40]
nubbins`	stateful wind	[03:40]
Vexual	upper level	[03:40]
nubbins`	^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that comes out the other way.	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer	[03:40]
nubbins`	heh	[03:40]
pankkake	I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :(	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though	[03:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00093535 = 10.055 BTC [+]	[03:41]
pankkake	the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it	[03:41]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor	[03:41]
benkay	BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well.	[03:41]
pankkake	maybe cthulhu	[03:41]
nubbins`	pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter.	[03:41]
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benkay	BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	!b 1	[03:42]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril	[03:43]
nubbins`	benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too	[03:43]
pankkake	I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Shame to you and your family	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	im thinking of shaving too	[03:43]
nubbins`	it's liberating	[03:43]
pankkake	usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: How slow does french hair grow?	[03:44]
benkay	you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference.	[03:44]
nubbins`	i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	benkay you coming in april ?	[03:44]
benkay	nah man	[03:44]
benkay	not unless revenue picks up significantly	[03:44]
benkay	wish i were	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ << reminder	[03:44]
ozbot	The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:44]
pankkake	BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all	[03:44]
nubbins`	i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal	[03:44]
nubbins`	incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this	[03:45]
benkay	was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third	[03:45]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: thinking of going?	[03:45]
nubbins`	benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	benkay splendid stragety.	[03:45]
nubbins`	"why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short"	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	let's call our shop SHOP	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	and our dog DOG	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	and our child CHILD	[03:46]
nubbins`	right?	[03:46]
Vexual	lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues	[03:46]
pankkake	that's what korean starcraft players do, though	[03:46]
nubbins`	i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years	[03:46]
herbijudlestoids	yall criminals.	[03:46]
pankkake	names like "life", "cloud", "hero"	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled	[03:46]
Vexual	boat?	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:47]
nubbins`	pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses	[03:47]
nubbins`	like fvjefgrnfd@whatever.co.kr	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in	[03:47]
pankkake	lol	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	bysendingemailhereideclareiamawhore@yahoo.com ?	[03:47]
nubbins`	one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard	[03:47]
nubbins`	hahahah	[03:47]
*	nubbins` fires up email client	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	good for spam honeypottin'	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	ipromisetopaytenbuckstotherecipient@gmail.com	[03:48]
BingoBoingo	I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	(nothice equal strlen)	[03:48]
nubbins`	hmm	[03:48]
asciilifeform	ionlyacceptmailasblockchaindustbytes@nowhereinparticular.com	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	myotheremailisbroken@tormail.net	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week	[03:49]
nubbins`	thisistheonlyonetheydidntseize@tormail.org	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?!	[03:49]
nubbins`	what'd that get you, a handshake?	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru	[03:49]
nubbins`	oh wow	[03:49]
nubbins`	i thought that was a figure of speech	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too.	[03:50]
nubbins`	hi can i take your problem please	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	you know, rural us...	[03:50]
benkay	mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	Well, yeah	[03:50]
benkay	and if ironic what precisely the message is	[03:50]
nubbins`	benkay, surprise	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	benkay :D	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes	[03:50]
asciilifeform	somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.'	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	perfect communicational symmetrification.	[03:51]
benkay	benkay splendid stragety.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sort-of like how trilema credits work	[03:51]
nubbins`	hmmmmmm	[03:51]
nubbins`	re: "socialist millionaire" problem	[03:51]
Mats_cd03	hes 99% incoherent usually	[03:51]
pankkake	"Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D	[03:51]
nubbins`	one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	benkay just sarcastic	[03:52]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree.	[03:52]
nubbins`	oh, sure, yeah	[03:52]
asciilifeform	(at least, soviet 1st grade.)	[03:52]
nubbins`	i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*."	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons	[03:53]
nubbins`	and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life.	[03:53]
pankkake	a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines?	[03:54]
benkay	can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it.	[03:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization.	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru.	[03:54]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described.	[03:54]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there	[03:54]
nubbins`	jborkl	[03:54]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM	[03:55]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[03:55]
nubbins`	that's you on the bottom	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area	[03:55]
nubbins`	fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1	[03:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной'	[03:56]
asciilifeform	afaik never went anywhere.	[03:56]
Vexual	nubs not really paper?	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, it's implemented	[03:56]
nubbins`	Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax.	[03:56]
Vexual	inferior stitching?	[03:56]
nubbins`	shrug. has held up so far	[03:57]
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nubbins`	they even have the elastic band and the bookmark	[03:57]
Vexual	might be real	[03:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall the magic number?	[03:57]
nubbins`	nah, real ones are like $18	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit	[03:57]
Vexual	and the french is proper	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	$100 is good enough.	[03:57]
nubbins`	it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart	[03:57]
nubbins`	i mean, if you can tie a knot	[03:57]
nubbins`	even if you can't	[03:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure	[03:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: entry/exit	[03:58]
nubbins`	i actually let my passport expire	[03:58]
nubbins`	have to get a new picture taken this week	[03:59]
asciilifeform	nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave'	[03:59]
nubbins`	gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order	[03:59]
Vexual	lol	[03:59]
jborkl	Nice drawing, is that original?	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	why ?!	[03:59]
nubbins`	jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly	[03:59]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess	[03:59]
jborkl	Nice	[03:59]
nubbins`	would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7?	[04:00]
Vexual	yes	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	yes	[04:00]
nubbins`	eat shit, both of you	[04:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04201332 = 0.6302 BTC [+] {4}	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	"would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?"	[04:00]
Vexual	i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[04:00]
nubbins`	NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations	[04:01]
nubbins`	i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya	[04:01]
jborkl	Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts	[04:01]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES	[04:02]
nubbins`	jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back	[04:02]
nubbins`	hahah	[04:02]
nubbins`	so... with a straw? :(	[04:02]
herbijudlestoids	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/05/1421229/adobe-flash-remote-code-execution-flaw-exploited-in-the-wild?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter	[04:02]
ozbot	Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid	[04:02]
herbijudlestoids	update yo flash nigz	[04:02]
nubbins`	i hate that!!	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	someone had flash ?!	[04:02]
nubbins`	what's a flash	[04:02]
jborkl	Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick?	[04:03]
nubbins`	i think they start in the middle	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	they always start in the middle.	[04:03]
nubbins`	not sure	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	shit	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	"they start in middle school yeah"	[04:03]
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nubbins`	what's a school	[04:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+]	[04:04]
herbijudlestoids	yall dont have flash?	[04:04]
herbijudlestoids	how do youwatch youtube	[04:04]
Vexual	mp posts a lot of public nudes	[04:04]
*	mircea_popescu points at log.	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu:	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	ain't nobody got no time for that.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/8177/CVE_2014_0497_a_0_day_vulnerability	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/789ee03d33aa445a6c3c647dcb3119a4/tumblr_mes5vkpQhj1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is vex when he was younger.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	windows only exploits. herp	[04:06]
asciilifeform	the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example.	[04:07]
herbijudlestoids	if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version	[04:07]
nubbins`	heh	[04:08]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked?	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	i just have friends.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	and yes its mostly the czech republic	[04:09]
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jborkl	Heh mp has pictures of slush naked	[04:10]
herbijudlestoids	i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events?	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meikkuNmB41ru15g3o1_1280.jpg jborkl there you go.	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe?	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/four-arrested-in-connection-with-philip-seymour-hoffman-1516487250	[04:11]
ozbot	Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	whoa	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	foul play ?!	[04:11]
KRS-One	Looks like a fat dyke convention.	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	KRS-One he wanted slush	[04:11]
KRS-One	Probably smells kind of like fish there.	[04:11]
KRS-One	.bait	[04:11]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1illeX1ba1qkm9pho1_1280.jpg	[04:11]
pankkake	only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy	[04:11]
KRS-One	hahaa	[04:12]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand	[04:12]
jborkl	Lol, Santa is creeping me out	[04:12]
pankkake	how dare you not be symmetrical	[04:12]
nubbins`	pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding	[04:12]
KRS-One	pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other	[04:12]
pankkake	nubbins`: oh…	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction	[04:12]
KRS-One	haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer	[04:12]
nubbins`	idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?!	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes?	[04:13]
nubbins`	this has been documented	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	really ?	[04:13]
nubbins`	yeah	[04:13]
nubbins`	granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles.	[04:14]
Vexual	there might be other forces at play here	[04:14]
nubbins`	but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both	[04:14]
jborkl	Wtf , this is going downhill	[04:14]
nubbins`	plus, babby's teeth	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	jborkl: Altcoin is going down?	[04:14]
nubbins`	or gums, i guess	[04:14]
nubbins`	don't want him swallowing a barbell	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` obviously you take them off	[04:14]
Vexual	did they sompare other life choices of the pierced?	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy	[04:15]
nubbins`	obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal	[04:15]
nubbins`	but people do anyway	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: WHy not?	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	It's like babyy poridge?	[04:15]
nubbins`	because it's too healthy	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	Lol	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical.	[04:16]
pankkake	nor are faces, but it's not as bothering	[04:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00093465 = 10.055 BTC [-] {2}	[04:16]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical	[04:17]
nubbins`	most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical	[04:17]
nubbins`	dominant side is generally higher	[04:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18018 @ 0.00092985 = 16.754 BTC [-]	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megcvjf8JE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg	[04:17]
nubbins`	and blade sticks out differently	[04:17]
nubbins`	hahaha skipper on the right	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	totally awesome pic	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	you can even tell where in france it is	[04:18]
pankkake	OMG. http://i.imgur.com/u9oR6xD.png	[04:18]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D	[04:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 329 @ 0.003048 = 1.0028 BTC [+]	[04:18]
nubbins`	pankkake, HEH	[04:18]
pankkake	google images is getting good	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	you never knew ms horseface ?	[04:19]
nubbins`	i like it when customized content just falls short	[04:19]
Vexual	i think they might wait for the next bus	[04:19]
pankkake	isn't ms horseface julia roberts?	[04:19]
pankkake	but yeah she's a horse too	[04:19]
nubbins`	got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free"	[04:19]
nubbins`	"warmer, facebook... warmer..."	[04:20]
benkay	they even got the grammar correct my my	[04:20]
nubbins`	maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You use facebook?	[04:24]
benkay	BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder?	[04:24]
benkay	the kids need computers to just have sex these days	[04:25]
nubbins`	yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	benkay: yes I have.	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13172 @ 0.00093446 = 12.3087 BTC [+]	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	what's tinder ?	[04:26]
benkay	so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up.	[04:26]
nubbins`	benkay, :(	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly.	[04:26]
benkay	no its great nubbins	[04:27]
nubbins`	then :D	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos.	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	uh	[04:27]
nubbins`	the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits.	[04:27]
benkay	i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit.	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision.	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision.	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	Perspective gets a bit... distorted	[04:29]
nubbins`	Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[	[04:29]
nubbins`	lel	[04:29]
nubbins`	mister rad	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35"	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is.	[04:30]
Vexual	BingoBoingo: shut one eye	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: Mack me	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated.	[04:30]
nubbins`	nor i	[04:30]
nubbins`	this isn't the 50s	[04:30]
nubbins`	"wanna go steady"	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	basically... asking for a friendzone ?	[04:31]
lippoper	S	[04:32]
lippoper	A	[04:32]
lippoper	S	[04:32]
lippoper	S	[04:32]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet?	[04:32]
lippoper	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18psqC2Xg1qgs3vvo1_500.jpg	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	he got hired by Max Failser, that's why	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao	[04:32]
nubbins`	"At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder"	[04:32]
Vexual	i don't take keister coin	[04:32]
benkay	but you do take coin in the kiester!	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	ajaja	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin?	[04:33]
benkay	up...	[04:33]
benkay	and down.	[04:33]
benkay	up...	[04:33]
benkay	and down.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo 30 second blocks	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	that shoud be a riot.	[04:33]
nubbins`	no, up only	[04:33]
nubbins`	endless pull-out	[04:33]
nubbins`	Max Forkser	[04:33]
mod6	pump.... and dump!	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit.	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days,	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day.	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	I really need to make that MD4 coin...	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00093637 = 42.8511 BTC [+] {3}	[04:35]
Vexual	you might wanna close both eyes	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256	[04:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00093802 = 7.3982 BTC [+] {3}	[04:36]
Vexual	good point	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	Thank you Vexual	[04:37]
benkay	except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	ironically, i think btc would be thje safest	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	cause watched pot and not really that much benefit	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	various other things, such as banking, however...	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	owch.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this]	[04:38]
benkay	we're all security people now.	[04:38]
BingoBoingo	Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them?	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo sure.	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0154244/microsoft-warns-customers-away-from-rc4-and-sha-1	[04:41]
ozbot	Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	just for lolz	[04:41]
Vexual	gates is audi for real now	[04:41]
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BingoBoingo	I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC	[04:42]
benkay	your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo.	[04:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]	[04:43]
Plaxant	BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted	[04:43]
BingoBoingo	benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough.	[04:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]	[04:44]
BingoBoingo	Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report.	[04:44]
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benkay	i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B	[04:46]
benkay	BingoBoingo ^^	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year.	[04:46]
benkay	BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address?	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	benkay: The code of one input one output.	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar.	[04:48]
benkay	well on an entirely different topic	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs	[04:49]
Plaxant	BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed	[04:50]
Vexual	i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent.	[04:51]
pankkake	I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway	[04:51]
herbijudlestoids	hahahaha	[04:52]
herbijudlestoids	http://www.hhspn.com/dmx-george-zimmerman-celebrity-boxing-match-confirmed-rapper-dmx-vs-george-zimmerman/	[04:52]
herbijudlestoids	anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	"My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings "	[04:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00477642 = 0.1672 BTC [+] {3}	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	jesus twitter is insanity.	[04:53]
benkay	herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face	[04:53]
herbijudlestoids	benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click	[04:53]
benkay	jesus twitter	[04:54]
Vexual	hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then?	[04:54]
herbijudlestoids	Vexual: going on abbotts current track record?	[04:54]
Vexual	even money huh?	[04:54]
herbijudlestoids	plus the potential embarrasment for customs?	[04:54]
herbijudlestoids	id say so :P	[04:54]
herbijudlestoids	or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me	[04:54]
Vexual	war might wait til monday	[04:55]
herbijudlestoids	benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control?	[04:56]
BingoBoingo	^^	[04:56]
herbijudlestoids	i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it	[04:56]
benkay	congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land.	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	Why not jsut use lynx?	[04:57]
mod6	lynx++	[04:57]
herbijudlestoids	benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins...	[04:57]
benkay	hahaha	[04:58]
benkay	oh	[04:58]
benkay	ho ho ho ho ho	[04:58]
benkay	you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript	[04:58]
herbijudlestoids	also zone land is a tautology :P	[04:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00042042 = 0.8408 BTC [-] {14}	[04:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 290 @ 0.00501256 = 1.4536 BTC [-] {13}	[04:58]
benkay	language is poetry.	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone?	[04:58]
nubbins`	receipt receipt	[04:58]
benkay	not programming.	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	We should make AltLang	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	Make it super Meta	[04:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2013 @ 0.00042 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}	[04:59]
herbijudlestoids	benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash?	[05:00]
herbijudlestoids	oookkkk	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic	[05:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00475971 = 0.5759 BTC [-] {12}	[05:00]
benkay	i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack	[05:00]
benkay	mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy.	[05:00]
benkay	they always want to do crazy shit to the dom.	[05:01]
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herbijudlestoids	? which mystery browser plugin	[05:01]
benkay	isolate isolate isolate	[05:01]
herbijudlestoids	yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right	[05:01]
nubbins`	herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	Altlang is going to be best lang	[05:01]
nubbins`	altlang syne	[05:01]
herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers...	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon!	[05:01]
benkay	so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings.	[05:01]
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herbijudlestoids	what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load	[05:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00438978 = 0.4741 BTC [-] {11}	[05:02]
benkay	in any event	[05:02]
benkay	this is a stupid discussion.	[05:02]
herbijudlestoids	maybe...im just incredulous	[05:02]
herbijudlestoids	cant believe people let plugins load auto	[05:02]
nubbins`	you are alone in your incredulity	[05:02]
benkay	yeah man	[05:03]
benkay	people just run java web apps all the time	[05:03]
benkay	what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss?	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading?	[05:03]
nubbins`	-assetsQuarterly.txt	[05:03]
nubbins`	some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw	[05:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00420489 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8}	[05:04]
benkay	#49 is one of the better ones	[05:05]
herbijudlestoids	i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered	[05:05]
benkay	i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident	[05:05]
pankkake	don't forget to draw him upside down	[05:06]
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ThickAsThieves	eccentricity gives +Agility	[05:06]
pankkake	also Australia	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet.	[05:07]
pankkake	I agree with herbijudlestoids	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it.	[05:07]
herbijudlestoids	yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :)	[05:08]
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benkay	breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin	[05:08]
herbijudlestoids	i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions	[05:09]
benkay	bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency	[05:09]
herbijudlestoids	i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me	[05:09]
herbijudlestoids	(even if i disagree)	[05:10]
benkay	disagreement is the heart of discourse	[05:10]
herbijudlestoids	^	[05:10]
benkay	it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time	[05:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]	[05:10]
ThickAsThieves	I agree	[05:10]
pankkake	NO	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger	[05:11]
benkay	unless freenode is under ddos	[05:11]
herbijudlestoids	what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF	[05:11]
benkay	who cares	[05:11]
benkay	it's a fact of life	[05:11]
herbijudlestoids	well, if its JTRIG, i want to know	[05:12]
benkay	beyond my pay grade, mate	[05:12]
nubbins`	i accept it	[05:12]
ThickAsThieves	the Brits did it right?	[05:12]
nubbins`	let the s be dd if it wishes	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions.	[05:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14217 @ 0.00093446 = 13.2852 BTC [-]	[05:14]
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mircea_popescu	THEY BE FACTS	[05:15]
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BingoBoingo	RichardSherman.txt	[05:16]
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nubbins`	i actually opine fairly often	[05:16]
jayk	lol	[05:16]
nubbins`	usually right tho	[05:16]
nubbins`	so	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck	[05:16]
jayk	he sprained his ankle	[05:16]
jayk	sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off	[05:16]
jayk	or run his mouf	[05:16]
jayk	got carted off the field ...	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay : http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meelc8j3t01ru15g3o1_1280.jpg	[05:17]
BingoBoingo	jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long.	[05:17]
jayk	i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up	[05:17]
jayk	seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K	[05:17]
jayk	sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P	[05:19]
the20year2	what parade?	[05:19]
jayk	for the seahawks	[05:19]
the20year2	oh nice	[05:19]
the20year2	they deserve it	[05:19]
jayk	biggest event ever in the history of seattle	[05:19]
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the20year2	Good for them	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters.	[05:19]
benkay	bread and circuses.	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr.	[05:19]
jayk	bigger than the worlds fair	[05:19]
jayk	bigger than ken griffey	[05:19]
jayk	bigger than any baseball game	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades...	[05:20]
jayk	well i meant just for seattle	[05:21]
jayk	sorry :)	[05:21]
jayk	i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home..	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons)	[05:21]
jayk	a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it	[05:22]
jayk	i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	how did the ad numbers look ?	[05:23]
jayk	which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes	[05:23]
jayk	dunno	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/	[05:23]
ozbot	New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence \| Ars Technica	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	(BFL)	[05:23]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little	[05:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10111 @ 0.00093383 = 9.442 BTC [-] {2}	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo %s vs last year ?	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched.	[05:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00093268 = 0.6426 BTC [-]	[05:25]
jayk	that's going to get ugly	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	but hey.	[05:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10466666 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time.	[05:27]
jayk	i didnt know there was a BFL scam list	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game.	[05:28]
jayk	wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :(	[05:29]
BingoBoingo	jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day.	[05:30]
jayk	oh?	[05:30]
BingoBoingo	Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds.	[05:31]
jayk	once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb	[05:32]
jayk	have you seen those things?	[05:32]
jayk	i live on an island	[05:32]
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jayk	rich in clams	[05:32]
Vexual	whats that jayk?	[05:32]
jayk	biggest clam in the world	[05:32]
jayk	geoducks are 5lb clams	[05:32]
Vexual	you grow clams?	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	Geoduck?	[05:32]
jayk	maybe 8lb if you get lucky	[05:32]
jayk	nope i dig them	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	Is that a pokeman?	[05:33]
jayk	no	[05:33]
jayk	i guess i could say i "mine" them	[05:33]
jayk	hehehe	[05:33]
Vexual	where do you sell them?	[05:34]
jayk	restaurants or dry ice over seas	[05:35]
Vexual	into china?	[05:35]
Mats_cd03	mmm clams	[05:35]
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jayk	http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022464264_shellfishbanxml.html	[05:36]
jayk	they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago	[05:36]
ozbot	Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban \| Business & Technology \| The Seattle Times	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring.	[05:36]
Vexual	you just dhl em over on ice?	[05:37]
jayk	dhl moved out of usa	[05:37]
jayk	but yes	[05:37]
jayk	as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour	[05:38]
jayk	i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer	[05:38]
jayk	for tomato plants	[05:38]
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Vexual	wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh?	[05:46]
jayk	lol	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	jayk mmm clams.	[05:47]
Vexual	there he is	[05:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00092985 = 9.2353 BTC [-]	[05:48]
jayk	oh	[05:48]
jayk	they are tasty in pesto sauce	[05:49]
herbijudlestoids	mmm pesto	[05:49]
Vexual	how do they eat them in china?	[05:49]
jayk	idk	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	no clam chowder ?	[05:49]
jayk	clam chowder is a lot of work to make	[05:50]
Vexual	how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :)	[05:50]
nubbins`	clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis	[05:50]
nubbins`	e	[05:50]
nubbins`	lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal	[05:51]
jayk	3hours?	[05:51]
jayk	potatoes take a long time	[05:51]
nubbins`	not 3 hours	[05:51]
nubbins`	20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours	[05:51]
nubbins`	that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves	[05:52]
jayk	heh	[05:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+]	[05:52]
jayk	nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow...	[05:52]
nubbins`	i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week	[05:52]
Vexual	lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version	[05:53]
nubbins`	the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;(	[05:53]
jayk	i have never made it though i have been thinking about it	[05:53]
nubbins`	the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood	[05:54]
Vexual	yes, its so china	[05:54]
jayk	i could get the clams for free	[05:54]
nubbins`	but you get a huge pot of it afterwards	[05:54]
jayk	the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year	[05:54]
nubbins`	i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today	[05:55]
cazalla	is it even worth your time to grow potatoes?	[05:55]
jayk	yes	[05:55]
cazalla	i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop	[05:55]
nubbins`	cazalla: again, it's not much effort	[05:55]
nubbins`	it's just spread over a long period of time	[05:55]
jayk	i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more	[05:55]
cazalla	not so much the effort but the space they take up	[05:55]
jayk	they are easy to grow	[05:55]
nubbins`	you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done	[05:55]
nubbins`	tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack	[05:56]
nubbins`	or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box	[05:56]
cazalla	i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work	[05:56]
jayk	i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them	[05:56]
nubbins`	get 100lbs of potatoes out of it	[05:56]
Vexual	do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand?	[05:56]
jayk	yes with shovel	[05:57]
cazalla	my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them	[05:57]
jayk	i only picked about 50lbs	[05:57]
nubbins`	the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety	[05:57]
nubbins`	my tomatoes were pretty good this year	[05:57]
nubbins`	the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks	[05:57]
jayk	a dear destroyed all my tomatoes	[05:57]
Vexual	my mangoes were stellar	[05:57]
jayk	next year i will use fencing	[05:57]
jayk	or guns	[05:57]
nubbins`	armed sentries	[05:58]
nubbins`	farmed sentries	[05:58]
cazalla	sentry would be sweet	[05:58]
Vexual	i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile	[05:58]
nubbins`	oh, peas	[05:58]
nubbins`	i had so many goddamn peas this year	[05:58]
nubbins`	well, last year	[05:58]
nubbins`	forgot it's feb ;(	[05:58]
Vexual	now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas	[05:58]
cazalla	summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas	[05:58]
jayk	mmm peas are so good	[05:58]
jayk	can eat them all day	[05:59]
nubbins`	yeah	[05:59]
Vexual	mmm snowpeas	[05:59]
nubbins`	i tried sugar sprint peas this year	[05:59]
nubbins`	really tasty	[05:59]
nubbins`	really fast too	[05:59]
nubbins`	http://myfolia.com/plants/1045-snap-pea-pisum-sativum-var-macrocarpon/varieties/4626-sugar-sprint	[06:00]
cazalla	do you need a trellis for those	[06:00]
ozbot	Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information \| folia	[06:00]
nubbins`	i used bamboo rods, sorta worked	[06:00]
nubbins`	trellis would be better	[06:00]
nubbins`	or even several rods per pot, teepee style	[06:00]
nubbins`	grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers	[06:01]
Vexual	excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing	[06:01]
nubbins`	drone delivery	[06:01]
herbijudlestoids	harrrrrrrrr	[06:02]
herbijudlestoids	fucken cunts	[06:02]
herbijudlestoids	i work, with fucken cunts	[06:02]
nubbins`	this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand: http://www.scotsburn.com/images/Prducts/Calcium/UltrSKM.jpg	[06:02]
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herbijudlestoids	i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit	[06:02]
herbijudlestoids	i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty.	[06:03]
nubbins`	sweet	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones	[06:04]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis?	[06:04]
herbijudlestoids	yea	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	which eventually decarboxylate into acetone	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	which eventually gets lost through respiration.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	(the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.")	[06:04]
Vexual	something clever	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	never fucking doubt what you know!	[06:05]
herbijudlestoids	or just google to confirm :P	[06:05]
herbijudlestoids	http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000320.htm	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[06:05]
nubbins`	incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ?	[06:06]
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herbijudlestoids	i dont play poker	[06:06]
Namworld	You guys should see Bitfinex right now.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss.	[06:06]
Namworld	Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there.	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	bitfinex still exists ?!	[06:07]
Namworld	Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls	[06:07]
Namworld	Yes. I was talking about it last month	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./	[06:07]
Namworld	Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month.	[06:07]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :)	[06:08]
Namworld	Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh.	[06:08]
nubbins`	well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p	[06:08]
nubbins`	go to 2x as many "meetups"	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	Namworld sucks for them i guess.	[06:08]
Namworld	They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there.	[06:08]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont	[06:08]
Namworld	I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't.	[06:09]
cazalla	tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	cazalla :)	[06:10]
herbijudlestoids	let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path	[06:10]
herbijudlestoids	then, they are cunts.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	tell them :D	[06:10]
herbijudlestoids	oh i do!	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	what do they say ?	[06:10]
herbijudlestoids	mostly that things are the way they are	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months.	[06:11]
Vexual	hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea	[06:12]
nubbins`	^	[06:12]
herbijudlestoids	3-6 months is actually the timeframe	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	take it or leave it :D	[06:12]
nubbins`	just think your very own altcoin	[06:12]
nubbins`	you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	that you can now owe :D	[06:12]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	one of them	[06:12]
Vexual	can't owe for a lunch	[06:13]
nubbins`	i know ;(	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people.	[06:14]
Vexual	um, yeah, sure	[06:15]
cazalla	i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something	[06:15]
cazalla	it*	[06:15]
nubbins`	don't mess with the man's jewelry	[06:15]
Vexual	yeah its ok	[06:16]
Vexual	i guess	[06:16]
Vexual	im not here for a haircut	[06:17]
nubbins`	who is?! buy clippers	[06:17]
herbijudlestoids	i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work	[06:17]
Vexual	a spoonful of cement perhaps	[06:17]
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nubbins`	http://dpaste.com/1587985/	[06:18]
ozbot	dpaste: #1587985	[06:18]
nubbins`	lel	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ?	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?	[06:19]
nubbins`	yeah	[06:19]
nubbins`	or giving out handies for bitcents	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects?	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	im sick of this scale shit	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	running thousands of cores	[06:19]
Vexual	quit	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	soon :)	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	well, not quit, but buyout	[06:20]
Vexual	but the cunts remain	[06:20]
herbijudlestoids	i just have one last extremely large cloud to build	[06:21]
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herbijudlestoids	maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that	[06:22]
Vexual	lol	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	maybe you could work for mr bookman.	[06:23]
Vexual	ill do your tax	[06:23]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it	[06:23]
herbijudlestoids	"its european" and "mr bookman"	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	i probably watched each episode twenty times.	[06:23]
Vexual	it was all that was on television here for 10 years	[06:24]
herbijudlestoids	:D do you like curb your enthusiasm?	[06:24]
herbijudlestoids	lol vex yea	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	i never watched that.	[06:24]
herbijudlestoids	woah what!	[06:24]
Vexual	trilema	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was.	[06:25]
nubbins`	^	[06:25]
herbijudlestoids	i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks	[06:25]
herbijudlestoids	but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[06:26]
herbijudlestoids	yah	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ?	[06:26]
herbijudlestoids	? his net worth is 750mn	[06:26]
Vexual	im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box	[06:26]
Namworld	[23:19] like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?	[06:26]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: unrelated but possibly relevant to you: http://www.notanon.com/zipit/different-linux-distributions-for-the-zipit-z2/2010/05/30/	[06:27]
Namworld	I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere.	[06:27]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so.	[06:27]
jayk	wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt?	[06:27]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sochi-security-airlines-warned-of-explosive-toothpaste-tube-threat-1.2524948	[06:27]
ozbot	Sochi security: Airlines warned of explosive toothpaste tube threat - World - CBC News	[06:27]
nubbins`	you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying	[06:28]
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herbijudlestoids	cuntbreak over, back to cunting	[06:28]
Vexual	big bada boom in the cab nubbins'	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban.	[06:28]
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Namworld	I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules?	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked.	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	i want to see specific people naked and that's all.	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority.	[06:31]
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Namworld	Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not.	[06:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302999 = 0.303 BTC [+] {2}	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose.	[06:33]
Vexual	what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania?	[06:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00303 = 0.606 BTC [+]	[06:34]
Namworld	I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks /	[06:34]
Vexual	the plate neednt be actual	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	Namworld many silly things are required for society to function.	[06:34]
Namworld	Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function?	[06:35]
Vexual	food	[06:35]
Vexual	and the odd sensible person	[06:36]
drstevebrule	is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now	[06:37]
Namworld	I was mentioning that earlier.	[06:37]
drstevebrule	if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show	[06:37]
Vexual	what of your life boat seteve?	[06:37]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/deer-droppings-lead-to-artistic-protest-in-penticton-1.2523625	[06:38]
ozbot	Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News	[06:38]
Vexual	shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear	[06:39]
nubbins`	well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure	[06:39]
nubbins`	Vexual, it makes me feel funny	[06:40]
drstevebrule	I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now	[06:40]
nubbins`	that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though	[06:40]
Vexual	ug the stand is too two dimensional	[06:41]
nubbins`	deers can't stand on curved surfaces	[06:41]
nubbins`	you're thinking goats	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	drstevebrule say wut ?	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ?	[06:42]
nubbins`	http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/11/02/deer_duck_caught.gif	[06:42]
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Namworld	Was it?	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	is that your prime minister nubs ?	[06:43]
drstevebrule	every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha	[06:43]
nubbins`	the duck? he resigned	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0 Namworld	[06:43]
nubbins`	this is our new prime minister: http://25.media.tumblr.com/50a526a5ec7fd316c4d93142d5f849a2/tumblr_ml9mz7em0Z1qem0zfo1_500.gif	[06:43]
ozbot	MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so.	[06:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.04999554 = 0.6999 BTC [+] {3}	[06:44]
Vexual	are we allowed vimeo?	[06:44]
nubbins`	sure, why not	[06:44]
nubbins`	http://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ba3.jpg	[06:44]
drstevebrule	BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out	[06:44]
drstevebrule	its a shit show	[06:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00092702 = 32.3066 BTC [+] {2}	[06:45]
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Namworld	Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	i doubt the distinction matters practically.	[06:45]
Namworld	But yeah	[06:45]
Namworld	Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve	[06:45]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3hBCrgRJU	[06:45]
ozbot	KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube	[06:45]
drstevebrule	that is a really nice painting of our prime minister...	[06:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00092947 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2}	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	somehow tho, people never do much research.	[06:46]
Namworld	There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlPo0yCSa4	[06:47]
drstevebrule	well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	befre, they're kings of all matters financial.	[06:48]
drstevebrule	haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet	[06:48]
Vexual	yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly	[06:49]
Vexual	not relly	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?443247-Think-you-know-everything-bitcoin-Meet-Mircea-Popescu-of-Romania&p=5403853	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	now i know i've made it.	[06:50]
nubbins`	Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqo90lNYLs	[06:51]
nubbins`	you can mute if you like	[06:51]
Vexual	i can handle it	[06:51]
ozbot	Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania	[06:51]
Vexual	welcome to yesterday	[06:52]
drstevebrule	wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	and now it's time for...	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajcEZ5Z-x8	[06:52]
ozbot	Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube	[06:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]	[06:54]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[16:10]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[16:10]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[16:10]
truffles	im sure there are some who enjoy that..	[16:10]
KRS-One	she better not travel quickly though any areas of great pressure difference or there could be a big ole mess.	[16:11]
truffles	face not even important enough ..	[16:11]
truffles	tv show had woman fall from respectable height into water, massive boobs popped heh	[16:11]
KRS-One	Nothing special at all..kind of beavis like... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJrq00ICMAEL96k.jpg	[16:11]
KRS-One	Yeah! I heard abou tthat.	[16:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00085461 = 19.656 BTC [+]	[16:12]
KRS-One	and the one bitch on the airplane.	[16:12]
KRS-One	Could you imagine getting some of the fallout on you?? I'd be scared for life.	[16:12]
truffles	dunno if we're on the same ppl, but doubt they consider that when purchasing	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	Altcoin Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4973367#msg4973367	[16:13]
truffles	u mean the person who bought or random?	[16:13]
KRS-One	ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right?	[16:13]
truffles	silicone feels nice afaik	[16:14]
KRS-One	Is it traded on any exchanges yet?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves did you ever get the code ?	[16:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	no	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	i'm still crossing my fingers pankakke can help or it magically appears	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	otherwise i guess i'll post bounties to strangers	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is matt doing.	[16:15]
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truffles	"Fight the fight, sing the song" hehe	[16:15]
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ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? << as much as anything in life	[16:16]
truffles	haha	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	depends on whose life.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	lyfe*	[16:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04909986 = 0.1473 BTC [-]	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	all values are dynamic, you taught me that	[16:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085557 = 24.2982 BTC [+]	[16:18]
truffles	even honey badger name drops hmm	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	if doge had the sense to start all addresses with Derp	[16:18]
Duffer1	hehe	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	then the association of herpetologist s could have made herpcoin	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	and we could have had herpderp altcoin wars	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	people. no strategic lulzforesight at all.	[16:19]
truffles	dodge envy itc	[16:19]
dexX7	http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339	[16:19]
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truffles	TAT what happens when some random noob gets pissed at u	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	depends	[16:22]
Duffer1	who would get mad at tat?	[16:22]
truffles	me?	[16:22]
Apocalyptic	someone who bought X-BOND above the buyback price ?	[16:22]
Duffer1	hehe	[16:22]
ThickAsThieves	i can think of more	[16:22]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:22]
ThickAsThieves	i'll either handle it, or i won't, or the crowd will	[16:23]
truffles	Apocalyptic have u played BingoBoingo yet?	[16:23]
Apocalyptic	yeah, was a one time thing though	[16:23]
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truffles	im unhappy with the win loss ratio	[16:23]
truffles	why	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	gavin hes lego hair	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	has*	[16:24]
truffles	was he snail pace?	[16:24]
Apocalyptic	we call it playmobil hair here	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:24]
truffles	yes no???	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00085406 = 29.0807 BTC [-] {4}	[16:25]
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PsychoticBoy_	all assets are crap and virtual	[16:27]
PsychoticBoy_	not backed by anything but air	[16:27]
ThickAsThieves	is keiser promoting maxcoin legal? i mean it's like 99% ponzi no?	[16:27]
PsychoticBoy_	whole MPex for example	[16:27]
PsychoticBoy_	ppl still buying that degrading shit	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	you were asking who gets mad at TAT?	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	enter PBoy	[16:28]
PsychoticBoy_	no I am not mad	[16:28]
truffles	Usao Scoin	[16:28]
truffles	TERRORISTS USE BTC, SHUT IT DOWN	[16:28]
Apocalyptic	u mad bro ?	[16:28]
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PsychoticBoy_	yup and the bigest terrorist is the USA	[16:28]
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PsychoticBoy_	hopefully THEY get hat they deserve :)	[16:29]
PsychoticBoy_	f the usa	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy_ listen here, just because you ran a shit asset on the global scam exchange	[16:29]
PsychoticBoy_	come on Russia bomb USA	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	doesn't mean everyone's you.	[16:29]
PsychoticBoy_	lol	[16:29]
PsychoticBoy_	gypsy king is speaking	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	easiest thing to do this, i'm stupid so therefore the world's dumb.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	and that "degrading shit", for your information, has been here while you've been taking your goat sabbatical	[16:30]
PsychoticBoy_	goat?	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	"o herpderp i take a year off come back everyone forgot everything"	[16:30]
PsychoticBoy_	fuck goat	[16:30]
PsychoticBoy_	the scamming thai bitch	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	i can't distinguish between you glbse set.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	but anyway. got shit to do so, later.	[16:30]
truffles	Goat is scammer?	[16:30]
truffles	:(	[16:30]
PsychoticBoy_	uhhh you did not know	[16:30]
PsychoticBoy_	lol	[16:30]
Apocalyptic	goat ran pirate's PT	[16:31]
truffles	PT?	[16:31]
truffles	link?	[16:31]
Duffer1	passthrough	[16:31]
Apocalyptic	passthrough	[16:31]
Apocalyptic	link ? check the forums, it's common knowledge here	[16:31]
PsychoticBoy_	chaaang noi is banned at most places	[16:31]
PsychoticBoy_	changes his name every day on bitcointalk	[16:32]
PsychoticBoy_	says enough	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	how many days between when you change names?	[16:32]
PsychoticBoy_	I?	[16:32]
truffles	well thats disappointing	[16:32]
PsychoticBoy_	I do not change name because I am a very very reputable member of this community :)	[16:33]
PsychoticBoy_	unlike others	[16:33]
PsychoticBoy_	many know me personal	[16:33]
Duffer1	;;gpg info psychoticboy_	[16:33]
gribble	No such user registered.	[16:33]
PsychoticBoy_	like all people on conferences	[16:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04800001 = 0.288 BTC [-] {2}	[16:34]
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ThickAsThieves	did you go to the Amsterdam one?	[16:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00085309 = 6.2224 BTC [-]	[16:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C155T] 20 @ 0.00792262 = 0.1585 BTC [-]	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50025452 BTC [-]	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]	[16:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00085494 = 23.7297 BTC [+] {2}	[17:00]
PsychoticBoy_	yes I was at the Amsterdam con	[17:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.00339001 = 0.2271 BTC [+]	[17:02]
PsychoticBoy_	45 min drive so it was around the corner	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we met	[17:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04909984 = 0.1964 BTC [+] {2}	[17:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19454 @ 0.00085851 = 16.7015 BTC [+]	[17:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.54104998 = 4.3284 BTC [+] {6}	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.128 = 1.28 BTC [+] {2}	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [-]	[17:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086017 = 15.397 BTC [+] {2}	[17:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04909986 = 0.3928 BTC [+]	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]	[17:34]
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mike_c	;;bc,24hprc	[17:42]
gribble	813.68	[17:42]
mike_c	this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :)	[17:42]
mike_c	i bet the option whale is having a bad day.	[17:42]
pankkake	I thought they were at the end of the month?	[17:45]
kakobrekla	cheaper today	[17:45]
pankkake	oh	[17:45]
pankkake	lol, it looks like the only way to change your havelock password is to do "forgot password"	[17:46]
mike_c	;;calcⁱ)	[18:56]
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ThickAsThieves	accepting bitcoin is the new "IPO" http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9945/favorite-team-accept-bitcoin/	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	Overstock and Tigerdirect etc get a few extra hundred thousand and fade away	[19:02]
Duffer1	i accept bitcoin	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.76834323 BTC to 801 shares, 95923 satoshi per share	[19:02]
Duffer1	and lambos	[19:02]
pankkake	well, they deliver, at least	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[19:02]
pankkake	IPO was getting a lot of coins without accountability	[19:02]
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pankkake	if accepting bitcoins means a lot of publicity and sales, that's not bad :)	[19:03]
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pankkake	are lambos a good store of value?	[19:04]
nubbins`	heh	[19:05]
Duffer1	i have yet to receive one, i'll let you know if that happens	[19:05]
pankkake	I'm waiting for http://www.lamboparity.com/	[19:05]
nubbins`	pankkake: the wallet features were hidden by default	[19:05]
pankkake	lol hidden	[19:05]
nubbins`	yeah	[19:05]
nubbins`	you had to open a blockchain account	[19:05]
pankkake	reminds me of the flash light app that had a secret feature	[19:05]
nubbins`	via web	[19:05]
nubbins`	then some sort of thing like keep the account open for 2 weeks	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 212 @ 0.005 = 1.06 BTC	[19:06]
pankkake	interestingly, apple does not review the code of the app	[19:06]
pankkake	so you can sneak things… but usually not for long	[19:06]
nubbins`	then open the iphone app via the same ip address that you've previously logged in with on the website	[19:06]
pankkake	lol	[19:06]
pankkake	amazing	[19:06]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:06]
nubbins`	yeah	[19:06]
nubbins`	it was a real fuckaround	[19:06]
nubbins`	but they flew under the radar for years	[19:07]
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kakobrekla	lol	[19:07]
pankkake	and in the same way, you can sneak malware. rendering the whole thing "for your protection" a lie	[19:07]
nubbins`	in practice, this made the app really unreliable when on the go	[19:07]
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nubbins`	they do automatic code reviews	[19:07]
nubbins`	no manual tho	[19:07]
nubbins`	unless there's a problem suspected	[19:08]
diametric	automatic code reviews.. what a joke	[19:08]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[19:08]
nubbins`	i agree	[19:08]
nubbins`	it's more for catching bugs than anything	[19:08]
nubbins`	mem leaks etc	[19:08]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/inc-5000-entrepreneur-buys-bitcoinwallet-com-domain-for-250k/	[19:10]
pankkake	he probably doesn't know any respectable bitcoin service ends in .io	[19:11]
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nubbins`	heh	[19:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12997221 = 1.0398 BTC [-] {4}	[19:16]
nubbins`	anyway, on a related note, xcode comes with some great code analysis tools	[19:16]
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nubbins`	the IDE itself isn't the greatest, and Interface Builder is pretty derpy	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0047894 = 0.1149 BTC [-]	[19:17]
nubbins`	but the code analysis features are top-notch	[19:17]
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pankkake	powered by llvm?	[19:20]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: last i checked, those were just a thin gui skin on top of gdb and gprof.	[19:26]
nubbins`	pankkake, osx does use llvm-gcc	[19:26]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: could be, i never dug under the skin too much	[19:26]
nubbins`	afaik the whole thing is based on gnu tools tho	[19:27]
asciilifeform	well, Next's perverted gcc fork, anyway.	[19:28]
nubbins`	nod	[19:28]
nubbins`	this caused problems when trying to compile the last eulora release for osx	[19:28]
nubbins`	terrible, terrible problems	[19:28]
asciilifeform	apple died in '99.	[19:29]
asciilifeform	replaced by Next. (with name changed to 'apple')	[19:29]
nubbins`	nod	[19:29]
nubbins`	even the objects show relics of this	[19:29]
BingoBoingo	Apple died in 1984 replaced by Macintosh	[19:29]
nubbins`	NSString, etc	[19:29]
nubbins`	btw, objective-c is a brutal language to comprehend	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]	[19:30]
BingoBoingo	Well, not entirely until about 89, but it was on its way	[19:30]
nubbins`	took me the better part of 2 months just to decipher method calls	[19:30]
nubbins`	nothing shows a more callous disregard for developers than code relics	[19:31]
nubbins`	sharepoint was brutal for this	[19:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00086805 = 28.2116 BTC [+] {2}	[19:31]
nubbins`	first they misappropropriated all these common words like "site" and "web" and "part"	[19:31]
nubbins`	then in one major release, they reassigned the names to different things	[19:32]
nubbins`	what was once called a site is now a web, etc	[19:32]
nubbins`	but all the old class names remained the same	[19:32]
nubbins`	so Web w = new Web(); creates a new Site, etc	[19:32]
nubbins`	it's enough to make you walk away	[19:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012909 = 0.6455 BTC [+] {9}	[19:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012985 = 0.7791 BTC [+] {5}	[19:33]
asciilifeform	in the '90s, i never imagined i'd miss the 'old apple'	[19:34]
nubbins`	old apple was before my time	[19:34]
nubbins`	hackintosh in '08 was my first non-casual exposure	[19:35]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: mostly - but not entirely - before my time: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31465 @ 0.00086396 = 27.1845 BTC [-] {4}	[19:35]
nubbins`	ah, haha, this is like vb	[19:36]
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nubbins`	or interface builder, to a lesser extent	[19:37]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: in exactly the same way that a junkyard full of bricks, roof tiles, etc. resembles a house.	[19:37]
pankkake	there'se a language where the keywords can be either French or English	[19:37]
nubbins`	hah	[19:38]
nubbins`	legos, even	[19:38]
nubbins`	anyway, good article	[19:39]
nubbins`	there's a steady push towards an apple device being a device of consumption rather than production	[19:39]
nubbins`	this has been pretty much perfected in iDevices	[19:39]
nubbins`	osx is slowly following suit	[19:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	http://buttcoin.org/long-live-cryptic-urgencies watch neckbeards selftechmutilate	[19:42]
ozbot	Long Live Cryptic Urgencies - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoi	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	all these guys smashed their phones cuz some reddite said he'd give out money to the first 5 people	[19:45]
ThickAsThieves	no wthe post is gone	[19:45]
Duffer1	didn't he escrow?	[19:45]
nubbins`	well ya know.	[19:45]
kakobrekla	so in a few days they will say "sry, you can has btc"	[19:45]
nubbins`	i'll send 100btc to everyone who smashes their dick with a hammer	[19:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05610001 = 0.1122 BTC [-]	[19:45]
nubbins`	200btc if you upload it to redtube	[19:46]
kakobrekla	and fanbois will be "oh noes gotta get new iphone 5"	[19:46]
kakobrekla	apple makes more monies.	[19:46]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:46]
nubbins`	"know what'll hurt apple? if i smash my on-contract phone that they've already been paid for, in full"	[19:46]
kakobrekla	and then get a new one	[19:46]
*	nubbins` shakes head	[19:46]
nubbins`	naw dude, they're totally going for a windows phone this time ;p	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	itd hurt apple way more to sell it secondhand	[19:47]
nubbins`	tat, the first video is already brutal	[19:47]
nubbins`	some wizard with a dart hangin out of his face	[19:47]
nubbins`	"this is not acceptable"	[19:47]
nubbins`	smashes $700 phone	[19:48]
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dexX7	didn't he escrow? << he did	[19:48]
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Duffer1	oh hey dex, haven't seen you in irc in a while, stayin busy man?	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	smash the chinese then?	[19:48]
pankkake	they should ask themselves why they bought it in the first place, and make their auto-critique	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	i'm so confused	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	what do i smash to get my way?	[19:48]
dexX7	hey :) yea, kinda	[19:48]
nubbins`	wait, he's going to strikeAAAAHHH	[19:49]
kakobrekla	smash diablo	[19:49]
kakobrekla	maybe some ltc will fall out	[19:49]
ThickAsThieves	can we not turn this into the viability of world wars?	[19:49]
ThickAsThieves	thank you	[19:49]
ThickAsThieves	agreed	[19:50]
nubbins`	man oh man	[19:51]
nubbins`	i'm actually a bit upset here	[19:51]
Duffer1	upset that no one has stepped forward to smash their dicks?	[19:51]
kakobrekla	smash the phone	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	i'm so bad at Apple I refuse to reproduce!	[19:51]
nubbins`	Duffer1, upset at the stupidity of these retards	[19:55]
nubbins`	HULK SMASH	[19:55]
nubbins`	that'll show apple	[19:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003065 = 0.3065 BTC [-]	[19:58]
Duffer1	don't even worry about what retards do	[19:59]
Duffer1	that's PR's job	[19:59]
Duffer1	:P	[19:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.1069323 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {2}	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.003065 = 0.3372 BTC [-]	[20:02]
nubbins`	heh	[20:06]
nubbins`	"really sending a message to apple here"	[20:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC	[20:07]
nubbins`	tat had it right, if he really wanted to stick it to apple, he would have sold his phone ;p	[20:07]
nubbins`	this is like if that single dad who paid us $400 for a bespoke kid's book said "fuck pink eye" and put his book in the shredder	[20:08]
nubbins`	we'd say "yes, fuck us" while smoking his money	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	"i'm going sprint down 300 yards and try and get this rifle on target as fast as possible"	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQZTAJ2KLk	[20:08]
ozbot	R3 Destroys anti bitcoin iPhone with a rifle in exchange for a Nexus 5 - YouTube	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4977641#msg4977641	[20:09]
ozbot	iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions	[20:09]
asciilifeform	soviet version of the joke: 'man buys a ticket, rips it up and walks - to spite the trolley conductor.'	[20:10]
nubbins`	side note, what's with all these fucking idiots laying their phones on concrete and striking them with metal tools?	[20:10]
nubbins`	do they even eyes?	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	metal tools are more organic	[20:11]
nubbins`	heh	[20:11]
nubbins`	srsly, the only part of these videos where i cringe is when i see a metal implement striking concrete	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	when will someone put one in a microwave?	[20:12]
nubbins`	as soon as i finish submitting this post to reddit	[20:12]
nubbins`	lel, i kid ;(	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	:()	[20:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.49816901 = 24.9085 BTC [-] {16}	[20:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0047894 = 0.2012 BTC [-]	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00306469 = 0.5608 BTC [-] {2}	[20:15]
nubbins`	did i mention the problem i was having with my iphone the other day?	[20:16]
nubbins`	fuckin thing completely stopped charging, 9 days out of warranty	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	you are charging it wrong	[20:16]
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ThickAsThieves	"We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day," the official told members of the press, according to The Wall Street Journal.	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	Kozak was attempting to argue that foreign journalists were biased against Russia and were intentionally working to paint the Sochi games as a disaster. But in the process, he may have just spooked everyone assigned hotel rooms to attend the games.	[20:17]
nubbins`	cajoled apple into fixing it for free, later realized that the bottom of the port had a bunch of impacted lint	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00307801 = 0.2216 BTC [+]	[20:17]
nubbins`	so i guess i get a free box in the mail any day now ;p	[20:17]
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ThickAsThieves	they let you keep the old one when replacing?	[20:17]
nubbins`	no, they mail you a box to return your broken phone in	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[20:18]
nubbins`	literally an hour after i hung up, i scooped the lint out	[20:18]
nubbins`	works like a charm now	[20:18]
nubbins`	MAY SMASH IT ANYWAY TO SHOW THEM A LESSON	[20:18]
Duffer1	so they have video footage of peoples showers?	[20:18]
nubbins`	Duffer1, +1 heh	[20:18]
Duffer1	seems like a terrible thing to tell the press, but what do i know	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[20:19]
Duffer1	didn't you get your phone replaced though nub?	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	right in the shower head apparently	[20:19]
nubbins`	tat, got a link?	[20:19]
asciilifeform	someone should teach these folks about 'parallel construction.'	[20:19]
nubbins`	Duffer1, nah, have had this for just over a year	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5386482/sochi-winter-olympics-video-surveillance-of-hotel-room-showers	[20:19]
ozbot	Russian official says government has video surveillance of Sochi hotel room showers \| The Verge	[20:19]
Duffer1	what'r you waiting for then, free nexus 5 go	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	wsj source	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366712107461956	[20:20]
ozbot	Russian Officials Fire Back at Olympic Critics - WSJ.com	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	The Iron Shower Curtain	[20:20]
nubbins`	HAHAHAH	[20:21]
Duffer1	instantrimshot.com	[20:21]
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benkay	http://www.coindesk.com/tea-merchant-coinbase-alternative-litecoin-processing/	[20:23]
benkay	so basically it should be trivial for anyone to accept any altcoin	[20:23]
benkay	but running a full satoshi client for each chain is a little, ah, shall we say wasteful.	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	dammit I need to get this Altcoin source going	[20:26]
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benkay	what's the Altcoin magic value?	[20:27]
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nubbins`	over 9000	[20:27]
benkay	also i know this is an oldlink but it still delivars chuckles: http://kimitsuassetmanagement.com/	[20:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 816 @ 0.003065 = 2.501 BTC [-]	[20:27]
nubbins`	so, anyone buying rentalstarter tomorrow?	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	i think it has been between .00000300 and .00000100btc so far	[20:27]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: the "magic value" is a header in the protocol that identifies which network a client is a part of	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	and what a client network?	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	is	[20:29]
Duffer1	nubbins' if i had anything left - no i wouldn't	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]	[20:29]
benkay	in this case network referring to the network of nodes broadcasting and verifying transactions	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	is the same question as "do you have a dump of the genesis block?"	[20:29]
benkay	a client being the Satoshi implementation or bitcoinj or multibit w/e	[20:29]
benkay	no.	[20:29]
Duffer1	i like almost everything about it but I'm sure btc itself will do significantly better	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	well it was made from coingen.io	[20:30]
benkay	magic value is a part of a header sent between nodes. genesis block is the root of the merkle tree.	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	and i can get source for other coins made by them	[20:30]
benkay	if you had the source for alt you could ack "magic" and find it pretty quickly	[20:31]
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ThickAsThieves	for my alt, or any alt made the from same codebase?	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	my issue is the source code doesnt exist anymore	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	and i am waiting on coingen to make an identical one so we can reverse create source for the orginal	[20:32]
nubbins`	Duffer1, +1	[20:32]
nubbins`	i don't see rental properties outperforming btc	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	yes, my comprehension of the details you describe is pretty low	[20:32]
benkay	ah well i'm giving the wrong instructions anyways. it's a bit obfuscated: https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	but i am willing to pay to get this solved so i can then pay to have pools made or whaver	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	get it listed on exchanges	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[20:33]
benkay	it'll be interesting to see if clients built from the regenerated source code will be able to talk to clients in the wild	[20:34]
*	nubbins` groans	[20:34]
nubbins`	what are you gonna do when people start actually wasting/losing money on atc?	[20:34]
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benkay	cash out, obviously.	[20:34]
ThickAsThieves	i dont even own any	[20:34]
*	nubbins` shakes head	[20:34]
nubbins`	doesn't matter	[20:34]
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nubbins`	people are going to take it seriously and they're going to lose money	[20:35]
nubbins`	and you're enabling that	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	...	[20:35]
Duffer1	he's not wrong there TaT hehe	[20:36]
nubbins`	i know it's a big lel, but you should kill this before it grows legs	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure he's right either	[20:36]
benkay	yeah but that's the "kids are going to hurt themselves with guns" argument	[20:36]
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ThickAsThieves	also who's to say?	[20:36]
benkay	teach some firearm use, let the idiots die.	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it really does kill all the other alts	[20:36]
pankkake	lol, the coinget coin I took the source from even has the same port number	[20:36]
pankkake	coingen	[20:36]
nubbins`	maybe it really does, yep	[20:37]
benkay	why would you change the port number?	[20:37]
mike_c	yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime?	[20:37]
pankkake	because it's anothe coin	[20:37]
benkay	also the n-coin game will go forever	[20:37]
pankkake	mike_c: there's no hate for bernankoin	[20:37]
pankkake	it's impossible to premine anyway!	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	nubbins ive decided your argument is not sound	[20:38]
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ThickAsThieves	you had me worried	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	but no	[20:38]
nubbins`	you've decided that the guy selling apples w/ razors to creepy old men is not at fault, because he's not the one handing them out to kids?	[20:38]
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mike_c	i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money	[20:38]
nubbins`	"lel pre-razored apples, what a riot!"	[20:38]
Duffer1	lol	[20:38]
nubbins`	and we all have a chuckle and a kid slices his neck open	[20:39]
pankkake	well anyone printing it for more than a few hours is a fool	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	in a world where there can be any number of alts, all on same codebase, no one alt is better than the other	[20:39]
nubbins`	but hey, fuck him, he shoulda checked!	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	that includes bitcoin really	[20:39]
nubbins`	alts have two purposes: to experiment with ideas and to have a lel/run a scam	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	says who	[20:40]
asciilifeform	eventually, mining breakthrough, and people will regret having undermined the whole concept of blockchain by having a swarm of little chains	[20:40]
mike_c	that's three purposes	[20:40]
nubbins`	says me	[20:40]
nubbins`	mike_c: the lel/scam is the same thing	[20:40]
asciilifeform	'fail to hang together, and you will hang separately'	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	mining breakthrough?	[20:41]
asciilifeform	hypothetically.	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	but really, what makes bitcoin better than an altcoin other than its adoption level?	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	it's all the same shit	[20:42]
nubbins`	one's real and the other is for fleecing rubes, that's what	[20:43]
asciilifeform	entirely ignoring the 'features' (many vs. few coins, frequents vs. rare blocks, etc) and premining,	[20:43]
asciilifeform	the difference is: who has it.	[20:43]
nubbins`	if you're fine with rubes being fleeced, then there's no difference, no	[20:43]
asciilifeform	every cryptocoin can be seen as an attempt to 'replay the history of money'	[20:43]
asciilifeform	with (optionally) different winners.	[20:43]
nubbins`	^	[20:43]
asciilifeform	much depends on who these winners are.	[20:44]
mike_c	there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps.	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	and it's impossible to have two coins coexist and be healthy?	[20:44]
asciilifeform	hard to sell swamp to people who understand what a swamp is.	[20:44]
mike_c	right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC	[20:44]
nubbins`	it's impossible for a rubecoin to be healthy, yes	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	is it impossible an altcoin will become the winner over bitcoin?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	it isn't impossible. we live in a world with ms-winblows, for example.	[20:45]
nubbins`	let's be clear, your experiment isn't intended to become a winner over bitcoin	[20:45]
asciilifeform	there are many such 'winners'.	[20:45]
nubbins`	it's intended to have a chuckle	[20:45]
benkay	even if there is a mining breakthrough, the compute deployed against alts couldn't save bitcoin...	[20:45]
nubbins`	but the funny thing about intentions...	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	says you	[20:45]
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nubbins`	says me, yes	[20:46]
nubbins`	says you, as well	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	no actually	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	says the miners	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	thats all really	[20:46]
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TomServo	ThickAsThieves: You saying you don't own any and won't mine any doesn't preclude that?	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	preclude what	[20:46]
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TomServo	It winning over btc	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	what i say doesnt mean much	[20:47]
nubbins`	that's becoming clear ;D	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	seriously	[20:47]
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ThickAsThieves	i know i fuck around	[20:47]
nubbins`	i do too	[20:48]
nubbins`	the suckers being suckered don't	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	but you guys arent giving real arguments here	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	you act like i'm inventing altcoins	[20:48]
asciilifeform	whether a particular alt is 'trying to win over btc' can be determined by looking at what it is being traded for.	[20:48]
Duffer1	it's a subjective moral argument	[20:48]
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asciilifeform	if it is being parcelled out in exchange for btc...	[20:48]
asciilifeform	then it is clear which coin the author regards as genuine and having a future.	[20:48]
Duffer1	based entirely on what you believe is moral or amoral	[20:49]
nubbins`	duffer, it boils down to this, yes	[20:49]
nubbins`	promoting a lelcoin as being serious is amoral	[20:49]
nubbins`	in my view	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	what if the other just wants to do create the thing to see what happens	[20:49]
nubbins`	others disagree	[20:49]
asciilifeform	would you happily part with gold, for instance, if you believe that 'gold standard' will make a comeback?	[20:49]
Mats_cd03	so what was the size of the mpex whale fee	[20:49]
nubbins`	what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens?	[20:49]
mike_c	nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble?	[20:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11900001 BTC [-]	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	so far its mostly been an expression for me, some luls sure, but kinda performance art	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	i dont care	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i buy some	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i dont	[20:50]
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nubbins`	mike_c, there was a housing bubble? ;p	[20:50]
nubbins`	i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	thats not what this is	[20:51]
nubbins`	bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel	[20:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [-]	[20:51]
nubbins`	dogecoin, you see people actually losing things of value	[20:52]
nubbins`	intentions don't matter, what people do with the thing you've made does matter	[20:52]
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mike_c	bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket	[20:53]
benkay	is running a gambling house a moral operation, nubbins`?	[20:53]
nubbins`	benkay, no	[20:53]
nubbins`	mike_c: assassinations are purchased with or without bitcoin	[20:53]
nubbins`	rubes losing money on ATC doesn't happen without ATC	[20:53]
mike_c	of course it does.	[20:54]
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mike_c	that money is lost simply by rubes having it.	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	you cant die from frostbite while bathing in lava either	[20:54]
asciilifeform	'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.'	[20:54]
nubbins`	^	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	except i'm not picking pockets	[20:55]
nubbins`	nice rationalization, isn't it	[20:55]
nubbins`	no, you're just selling tongs	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	no	[20:55]
nubbins`	yyyep	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	i'm selling streets	[20:55]
nubbins`	streets serve a useful purpose	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	maybe people get robbed on them	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	so does currency	[20:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00085735 = 15.8181 BTC [-] {2}	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	maybe people build businesses on them	[20:56]
Duffer1	this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it	[20:56]
nubbins`	if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise	[20:56]
nubbins`	just wanted to offer a perspective	[20:56]
mike_c	i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor.	[20:56]
benkay	everything is a scam	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	i can say i dont want to hurt anyone	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	surely	[20:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35005 @ 0.00085841 = 30.0486 BTC [+] {2}	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	but i cant say that i wont sell knives	[20:57]
nubbins`	sure, and you can offer perpetual mining turds that anyone with a brain would know is a bad purchase	[20:57]
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asciilifeform	take classic btc. it was a net gain in wealth, rather than simply a machine from moving money from one pocket to another, because it made new things possible. what new things does the altcoin-of-the-day make possible?	[20:57]
nubbins`	but you can't say that you're not intentionally fleecing rubes	[20:57]
asciilifeform	'my ferrari' is one answer. but not an answer that will satisfy skeptics.	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	well if we go buy the Altcoin's mission it's purpose is to get everyone to stop mining every other altcoin	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	would you count marginal success in that as a good thing?	[20:58]
kakobrekla	allowing for txes when 1mb limit is being hit for one but thats where it ends	[20:58]
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nubbins`	would you count getting people off heroin and into crack as a good thing?	[20:58]
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jborkl	not to the dealers	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think that's a proper comparison	[20:59]
asciilifeform	this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting	[20:59]
nubbins`	sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another	[20:59]
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mike_c	if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value.	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	the problem is you are making assumptions that are false	[20:59]
Mats_cd03	Some people just lack enough empathy	[20:59]
nubbins`	do tell!	[21:00]
asciilifeform	just asking the question of where the added value is.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	it's a legitimate question.	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	you assume all altcoins are a loss/waste	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	i do not	[21:00]
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nubbins`	i don't assume that	[21:00]
nubbins`	altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts	[21:00]
asciilifeform	if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears.	[21:00]
nubbins`	but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't	[21:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.003078 = 1.539 BTC [+]	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts	[21:01]
nubbins`	nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	no,	[21:01]
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TomServo	ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?	[21:01]
asciilifeform	then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good'	[21:01]
nubbins`	just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	it;s not a fact	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11833333 = 0.355 BTC [-] {2}	[21:02]
ThickAsThieves	there are no powers i get or use	[21:02]
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asciilifeform	'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better '	[21:03]
denlove	I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk	[21:04]
nubbins`	denlove, eat a bag of dicks	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	blue is different	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	doesnt need to be better	[21:04]
*	nubbins` groans	[21:04]
kakobrekla	I wish blowjob and icecream	[21:04]
nubbins`	you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation	[21:04]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting.	[21:04]
nubbins`	^	[21:04]
*	TomServo is disappoint.	[21:04]
*	nubbins` is disappoint.	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill	[21:05]
nubbins`	what's with "winning" "arguments"?	[21:05]
TomServo	TomServo \| ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	i dont know	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	it just is	[21:05]
asciilifeform	the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	whose 'no added value needed' proposition is 'just as good' as yours	[21:06]
asciilifeform	but new/exciting.	[21:06]
mike_c	that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps	[21:06]
nubbins`	so value, many excite	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	so	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003078 = 0.4617 BTC [+]	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	let them compete, idc	[21:06]
asciilifeform	live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle.	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	its nothing to do with chumping people	[21:06]
nubbins`	let them eat cake!	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist	[21:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25070 @ 0.00085996 = 21.5592 BTC [+] {3}	[21:07]
pankkake	PROCESSMESSAGE: INVALID MESSAGESTART	[21:07]
pankkake	well, I'm stuck :(	[21:07]
ThickAsThieves	your arguments live in some imaginary ending where only bitcoin is left	[21:08]
asciilifeform	the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	with central control.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this	[21:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1289 BTC [+]	[21:08]
asciilifeform	by destroying the Schelling point.	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	so	[21:08]
asciilifeform	'divide & conquer'	[21:08]
Duffer1	interesting proposition	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	you cant stop it if thats the path	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin	[21:08]
pankkake	it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it	[21:08]
asciilifeform	'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc.	[21:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00086492 = 18.5525 BTC [+]	[21:09]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:09]
ThickAsThieves	altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place	[21:10]
ThickAsThieves	it's our reality	[21:10]
ThickAsThieves	you cant will it away	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00086998 = 25.0554 BTC [+] {2}	[21:10]
Duffer1	lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment	[21:10]
mike_c	imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains.	[21:10]
Rick_	mircea is here?	[21:10]
asciilifeform	Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment.	[21:11]
Duffer1	paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	oh you do?	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	intersting	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	e	[21:11]
Duffer1	i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii	[21:11]
asciilifeform	somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.'	[21:12]
Duffer1	getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though	[21:12]
pankkake	does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar	[21:12]
asciilifeform	'besides it already stinks'	[21:12]
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ThickAsThieves	no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all	[21:12]
asciilifeform	pankkake: printf("%x", foo)	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	or that there is only one place to piss	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno	[21:13]
pankkake	thanks, this is also what I found :)	[21:13]
pankkake	I need to find something interesting to write in C	[21:13]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby.	[21:13]
nubbins`	what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet	[21:13]
nubbins`	not in people's faces	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat?	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	why hasnt that been cleaned up?	[21:14]
ThickAsThieves	didnt require bitcoin to do so	[21:14]
asciilifeform	for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar	[21:14]
ThickAsThieves	you really see it that way?	[21:14]
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asciilifeform	very basic game theory.	[21:15]
mike_c	pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	and what of this grand plan to make a better coingen.io?	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	mircea is scammer too?	[21:16]
nubbins`	"a better"	[21:17]
nubbins`	atc = "a better" alt?	[21:17]
jurov	pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library)	[21:17]
nubbins`	PMTs = "a better" way to invest?	[21:17]
pankkake	I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;)	[21:17]
ThickAsThieves	amazing	[21:17]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:17]
ThickAsThieves	so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not	[21:18]
jurov	i had in mind portability issues	[21:18]
nubbins`	nobody's saying that	[21:18]
pankkake	there are many gpg python libs, which all suck in a different way	[21:18]
ThickAsThieves	so it's just a fleecing of rubes plan of mp's?	[21:18]
nubbins`	nobody's saying that either	[21:19]
jurov	pankkake: yep, even some forks with same name	[21:19]
nubbins`	making a new compiler != creating exploits	[21:19]
asciilifeform	ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins.	[21:19]
pankkake	in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly	[21:19]
nubbins`	signal-to-noise-ratiocoin	[21:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00307922 = 2.7713 BTC [+] {2}	[21:20]
benkay	asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do anything to bitcoin?	[21:20]
mike_c	pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib?	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.0030798 = 2.3099 BTC [+]	[21:21]
asciilifeform	benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	now every idiot wants 'his own' blockchain. and soon, every government, with master keys baked in, naturally	[21:22]
pankkake	it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing	[21:22]
mike_c	ah	[21:22]
pankkake	in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv	[21:23]
asciilifeform	in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable	[21:23]
asciilifeform	and chumps will flock to them.	[21:23]
pankkake	which is also portable :)	[21:23]
asciilifeform	getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat.	[21:23]
asciilifeform	'embrace and extinguish.'	[21:24]
mike_c	i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins	[21:24]
ThickAsThieves	I think you have limited the possible futures too much	[21:25]
Duffer1	Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 17m	[21:25]
Duffer1	#maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject	[21:25]
Duffer1	>.<	[21:25]
nubbins`	^	[21:25]
asciilifeform	naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars.	[21:25]
nubbins`	replace max with alt	[21:25]
asciilifeform	every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds	[21:25]
asciilifeform	just like the alt author.	[21:25]
nubbins`	^	[21:25]
mike_c	i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	the burning forest!	[21:26]
kakobrekla	green peace	[21:26]
pankkake	fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it…	[21:26]
nubbins`	mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever!	[21:26]
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mike_c	yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts.	[21:27]
nubbins`	fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there	[21:27]
nubbins`	"not yet"	[21:27]
nubbins`	you've got that part right, at least	[21:27]
nubbins`	"it hasn't happened yet!"	[21:27]
nubbins`	ergo, it never will!	[21:27]
ThickAsThieves	again a bad analogy	[21:28]
nubbins`	when can we expect mike_ccoin?	[21:28]
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mike_c	never, i own one ATC. hence my position :)	[21:28]
asciilifeform	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1336476686	[21:28]
ozbot	LiveLeak.com - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH	[21:28]
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asciilifeform	life in garbage world, sans cleanup crews.	[21:28]
benkay	but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin.	[21:29]
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nubbins`	"so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia"	[21:29]
nubbins`	"fuck the signal, here's some more noise"	[21:29]
asciilifeform	the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?'	[21:29]
mike_c	this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin.	[21:29]
benkay	there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work.	[21:30]
*	nubbins` groans	[21:30]
nubbins`	benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?"	[21:30]
mike_c	but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk.	[21:30]
kakobrekla	everything is locel on the net	[21:30]
kakobrekla	local	[21:31]
benkay	not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it".	[21:31]
nubbins`	mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then	[21:31]
nubbins`	once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone	[21:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 545 @ 0.0031181 = 1.6994 BTC [+] {3}	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!"	[21:31]
benkay	just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way.	[21:31]
nubbins`	"well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment"	[21:31]
nubbins`	"into another environment?"	[21:32]
nubbins`	"no, OUT of the environment"	[21:32]
mike_c	ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead.	[21:32]
kakobrekla	kill fetuses with guns!	[21:32]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: ...	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:32]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat.	[21:32]
mike_c	they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer.	[21:33]
kakobrekla	no, guns kill people, not people. not a murderer	[21:33]
pankkake	to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it	[21:33]
asciilifeform	right now, alt enthusiasts are shitting on a relatively clean beach.	[21:33]
Duffer1	when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise	[21:34]
asciilifeform	they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin.	[21:34]
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nubbins`	"can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel"	[21:35]
nubbins`	^ this is the other side of it	[21:35]
kakobrekla	someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform	[21:35]
jborkl	so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore)	[21:35]
nubbins`	you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin	[21:35]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.'	[21:35]
nubbins`	wait, the same bob who sucks dicks?	[21:35]
nubbins`	i've heard of him	[21:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0030795 = 0.3049 BTC [-]	[21:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76373 @ 0.00086841 = 66.3231 BTC [-]	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments.	[21:36]
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ThickAsThieves	and to comment on TAT.VM	[21:37]
asciilifeform	not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear.	[21:37]
nubbins`	HEH	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.	[21:37]
nubbins`	^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now	[21:38]
benkay	it's fine	[21:38]
nubbins`	please	[21:38]
benkay	you've done nothing	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off.	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	moves	[21:38]
asciilifeform	it would be a very educational act.	[21:38]
nubbins`	^	[21:38]
benkay	how are you going to do that?	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	i will not	[21:38]
asciilifeform	well, we tried.	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely	[21:38]
nubbins`	SMH	[21:39]
jborkl	What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part	[21:39]
Duffer1	Altcoin jborkl	[21:39]
nubbins`	jborkl, helping scammers fleece rubes	[21:39]
nubbins`	or inventing the future of crypto	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin	[21:39]
nubbins`	we can't agree	[21:39]
mike_c	http://www.therealaltcoin.org/	[21:39]
ozbot	The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	look the slogan is also the disclaimer	[21:40]
ThickAsThieves	what more can i do	[21:40]
mike_c	btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.	[21:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003078 = 3.6936 BTC [-] {4}	[21:40]
ThickAsThieves	are you referring to TAT.VM?	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now	[21:41]
mike_c	he's not pumping & dumping!	[21:41]
nubbins`	mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation?	[21:41]
nubbins`	jesus	[21:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.003078 = 0.4525 BTC [-]	[21:41]
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benkay	what is this shocking lack of foresight?	[21:42]
mike_c	a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail	[21:42]
nubbins`	benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM	[21:42]
nubbins`	[16:07:54] First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	i dont regret it as a failure	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure	[21:43]
nubbins`	maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced	[21:43]
benkay	how was vm a failure?	[21:43]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code?	[21:43]
nubbins`	benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	you missed something ;)	[21:43]
benkay	that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source.	[21:43]
nubbins`	mike_c was the one who mentioned failute	[21:43]
nubbins`	*failure	[21:43]
asciilifeform	who in his right mind would run this	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency	[21:43]
asciilifeform	7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc	[21:44]
nubbins`	do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling?	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	which wouldnt be so bad	[21:44]
benkay	nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless.	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release	[21:44]
nubbins`	benkay: yes, that's correct	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	i knew what i was selling	[21:44]
nubbins`	ooh	[21:44]
asciilifeform	pay for the source?	[21:44]
nubbins`	that's worse	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	it was spelled out quite clearly	[21:44]
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nubbins`	you knew you were selling overpriced turds?	[21:44]
benkay	it was crystal clear.	[21:44]
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asciilifeform	as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants	[21:45]
mike_c	do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc.	[21:45]
nubbins`	[16:07:54] First, I didn't really realize what would happen	[21:45]
nubbins`	[16:14:38] i knew what i was selling	[21:45]
mike_c	and people don't "understand" volatility or EV	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite?	[21:45]
benkay	yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them.	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	i sold mining futures	[21:45]
nubbins`	i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	oh i did not hurt myself	[21:46]
asciilifeform	i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein.	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	i gained some very valuable experience	[21:46]
nubbins`	oh, you hurt yourself, even if you don't realize it yet	[21:46]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there.	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt even make it	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	bluematt did	[21:46]
nubbins`	"i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid"	[21:47]
mike_c	now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :)	[21:47]
nubbins`	we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues	[21:47]
mike_c	we're already out of soap boxes.	[21:47]
nubbins`	oh, zing	[21:47]
mike_c	hehe	[21:47]
nubbins`	luckily everyone's already standing on one	[21:47]
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ThickAsThieves	consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	xbond, neo	[21:48]
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nubbins`	consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	so xbond was blow?	[21:49]
nubbins`	consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	and your integrity is flawless?	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago?	[21:50]
nubbins`	go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here	[21:50]
nubbins`	and basically, yep	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	good to know i guess	[21:50]
nubbins`	good to know if you take something away from it	[21:51]
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nubbins`	useless to know otherwise	[21:51]
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Duffer1	i still <3 you TaT	[21:53]
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Duffer1	another haiku!	[21:54]
TomServo	Well fascinating conversation, either way.	[21:54]
nubbins`	indeed	[21:54]
mike_c	roosevelt had something to say about this	[21:55]
nubbins`	mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"?	[21:55]
TomServo	Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all?	[21:55]
mike_c	i don't think that was it	[21:56]
asciilifeform	TomServo: hash rate isn't all of it. lack of seigniorage is another.	[21:56]
nubbins`	mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes	[21:56]
mike_c	i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.	[21:57]
TomServo	asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though?	[21:57]
mike_c	why do i keep misspelling business?	[21:57]
asciilifeform	there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.'	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	wtf	[21:58]
TomServo	I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be.	[21:58]
mike_c	yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc.	[21:58]
asciilifeform	seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins.	[21:59]
kakobrekla	TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once	[21:59]
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nubbins`	good a time for a break as any	[22:02]
nubbins`	coffee!	[22:02]
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pankkake	I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks	[22:05]
pankkake	the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value	[22:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00307 = 0.7736 BTC [+]	[22:06]
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pankkake	OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird	[22:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06999 = 0.14 BTC [-]	[22:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00086847 = 34.9559 BTC [+] {2}	[22:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1686 BTC [+]	[22:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00086705 = 21.1127 BTC [-]	[22:15]
nubbins`	bee bee el, pan-frying cod	[22:15]
pankkake	lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems	[22:15]
pankkake	meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it	[22:17]
pankkake	waste of time :(	[22:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008429 = 0.1686 BTC [+]	[22:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.0008429 = 0.2023 BTC [+]	[22:23]
Duffer1	just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing?	[22:26]
Duffer1	have i asked that?	[22:26]
Duffer1	ah ok	[22:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]	[22:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00302808 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3}	[22:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0008684 = 11.68 BTC [+] {2}	[22:44]
benkay	man fuck a gym. just keep free weights at your house and fuckin' use 'em.	[22:45]
TomServo	Dangit. I got pulled away.	[22:46]
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nubbins`	benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :)	[22:47]
TomServo	asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point.	[22:47]
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benkay	nubbins`: are you a cardio guy?	[22:49]
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chipug	there's a parody keiser coin now?!	[22:52]
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TomServo	Not sure it's a parody.	[22:52]
nubbins`	benkay: i'm a bike guy :D	[22:52]
nubbins`	too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires	[22:53]
benkay	i love bikes	[22:53]
benkay	http://www.bikeshopliquidators.com/p-34111-fat-cruiser.aspx?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AllProducts&gclid=CPOluJuxuLwCFZRsfgodezsAEg	[22:54]
ozbot	Fat Sand Fat Cruiser	[22:54]
benkay	ozbot is back!	[22:54]
benkay	.bait	[22:54]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f2ca2af7c83a53319e58c2b3a485969/tumblr_mnrtopuKyi1s8tt3vo1_250.gif	[22:54]
nubbins`	i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that	[22:55]
nubbins`	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/1534215/skinny-puppy-wants-compensation-for-music-used-in-us-interrogations	[22:55]
ozbot	Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations - Slashdot	[22:55]
TomServo	nubbins`: saw that, my sides.	[22:56]
nubbins`	^ one of canada's greatest musical exports	[22:56]
nubbins`	five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4	[22:56]
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nubbins`	wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /.	[22:57]
nubbins`	do they even internet?	[22:57]
TomServo	I know, it's crazy.	[22:57]
TomServo	Every story.	[22:57]
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chipug	this https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse isn't a parody?!	[23:02]
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nubbins`	ahahahah	[23:03]
nubbins`	lel @ name	[23:03]
benkay	dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase?	[23:03]
TomServo	chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin.	[23:03]
chipug	TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin	[23:04]
chipug	max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	I swear it wasn't me!	[23:04]
Duffer1	hehe	[23:04]
chipug	ThickAsThieves: ..... you suuuure??	[23:05]
chipug	lol	[23:05]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[23:05]
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Duffer1	even odds it's someone from this chan	[23:06]
chipug	i love the banana	[23:06]
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chipug	please put nipple tassles on him also!!	[23:07]
asciilifeform	from the circus:	[23:09]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:06] sorry for the delay.....	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:07] anyway, the coin is gonna rebuild with a slightly different genesis block	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:07] the original download can be found at coingen.io/...../761afffd_orig.zip instead of 761afffd.zip	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:07] well, all you have to do is figure out the genesis block change	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:07] but, I dont have a way to readily do that	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:08] but the person that dumped the genblock can?	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	[16:08] sure	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd_orig.zip would be the landing link	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	in case you still have any fight left in you pankakke ^	[23:10]
pankkake	well, that won't really help me, as I only tried the genesis block change and other magic values, no renaming etc. before I was sure it worked	[23:11]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe it was something bad about the source you worked from?	[23:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12820001 = 0.5128 BTC [+]	[23:18]
chipug	asciilifeform: what was that?	[23:18]
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asciilifeform	chipug: trial of u.s. sailor. described in http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman.pdf	[23:19]
chipug	thanks	[23:20]
Namworld	It looks like Bitfinex just fixed the glitch and are back in business and everyone is happy or something.	[23:20]
Namworld	And that nothing was stolen =/	[23:20]
Namworld	Okay... I was expecting them to have long gone under.	[23:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00300357 = 0.9101 BTC [-] {12}	[23:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 623 @ 0.00309335 = 1.9272 BTC [+] {6}	[23:22]
Duffer1	or run with the money	[23:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.0031 = 1.1656 BTC [+] {2}	[23:23]
dexX7	there were coins stolen?	[23:25]
Apocalyptic	Namworld, they gonna slowly recover the stolen part with the fees and delay payouts if necessary imo	[23:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00086788 = 9.9806 BTC [-]	[23:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00312134 = 6.2427 BTC [+] {5}	[23:31]
nubbins`	making dinner, recipe calls for a lightly beaten egg	[23:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00312699 = 1.0976 BTC [+]	[23:32]
nubbins`	so i announce "i like my women the way i like my eggs!!"	[23:32]
nubbins`	wife says "lightly beaten?!"	[23:32]
nubbins`	and i say "no, white"	[23:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00312699 = 0.1126 BTC [+]	[23:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04999991 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}	[23:34]
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dub	poached, scrambled and scotch?	[23:43]
dub	fertilised?	[23:43]
TomServo	mmm. scotch.	[23:43]
TomServo	There's a Laphroaig in my near future.	[23:43]
nubbins`	lovely	[23:44]
nubbins`	the trick with these "the way i like my women" jokes is to fool people into assuming the wrong thing	[23:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04070104 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {5}	[23:44]
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nubbins`	i like my coffee the way i like my women!	[23:46]
nubbins`	"hot?"	[23:46]
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nubbins`	"nope. strong, black, and slightly bitter"	[23:46]
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pankkake	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26059710 The company also reported a net loss of $645m	[23:50]
ozbot	BBC News - Shares in Twitter plummet after user growth slows	[23:50]
ThickAsThieves	just when i started using it!	[23:51]
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dub	its coz I stopped using twitter	[23:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 349 @ 0.00172845 = 0.6032 BTC [-]	[23:53]
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500/813) - .1) - .4879146 [17:46] gribble 0.0270915500615 [17:46] mike_c whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today [17:47] * libbelol (~libbelol@84.48.233.18) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:49] * jimeh (~jimeh@2001:4800:7812:514:2afd:9ee2:ff04:dd6c) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:51] assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.04967205 = 14.9016 BTC [+] {12} [17:53] * Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:02] assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00086697 = 12.8086 BTC [+] [18:02] * CheckDavid (~david@unaffiliated/checkdavid) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:02] * Enky (~enky@2.195.149.173) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:04] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00302 = 1.2805 BTC [+] [18:04] * davout (~davout@unaffiliated/davout) has left #bitcoin-assets ("kthxbye") [18:08] assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00480099 = 0.1008 BTC [+] [18:13] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030469 = 0.9141 BTC [+] [18:14] * rbonestell (~rbonestel@unaffiliated/rbonestell) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:17] * samson_ has quit () [18:20] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00304689 = 4.5642 BTC [-] [18:22] * _64k (~ant@host213-123-230-189.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:26] Duffer1 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/ [18:27] ozbot New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica [18:27] Duffer1 it's about time [18:27] * _64k has quit (Client Quit) [18:28] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030469 = 0.6094 BTC [+] [18:30] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2645 @ 0.00307646 = 8.1372 BTC [+] {10} [18:31] * darkee (~darkee@gateway/tor-sasl/darkee) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:32] assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2655 @ 0.00305301 = 8.1057 BTC [-] {5} [18:33] * Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:34] * Enky (~enky@159.20.215.242) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:36] * Kushedout has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:37] pankkake "One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies" lol [18:37] * Kushedout (~Kushedout@adsl-69-227-110-178.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:37] * Enky2 (~enky@2.195.149.173) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:39] * Enky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:42] assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00487092 = 0.9742 BTC [+] {8} [18:44] * nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0148w-142134196038.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:46] nubbins` hi [18:47] nubbins` so it seems the inturnet is really upset about apple pulling blockchain.info from the app store, hey? [18:47] * samson_ (~ukru@180.183.160.82) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:49] * dust-otc (~dust@unaffiliated/dust-otc) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:50] assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 94 @ 0.005 = 0.47 BTC [18:52] ThickAsThieves indeed [18:52] * jborkl (~jborkl@2602:30a:2c51:e730:c441:1798:dd4c:71c3) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:53] * jborkl has quit (Changing host) [18:53] * jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:53] ThickAsThieves god forbid Apple has a good reason [18:53] pankkake I'm surprised it was allowed in the first place [18:54] nubbins` but, but, i disagree with their reason [18:54] nubbins` pankkake, the only reason it got in there in the first place was a sneak attack [18:54] kakobrekla how so? [18:55] pankkake introduce the app without X features, then introduce the features? [18:55] pankkake that never works with Apple [18:55] pankkake by the way, they don't even have to provide a reason for refusals : [↩]

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