Forum logs for 05 Mar 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo | USia's hotness this past decade has been taking M-14's and converting to "designated marksmen rifles" | [00:00] |
BingoBoingo | M-14's original service life of course having been... lacking | [00:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00038309 = 3.4287 BTC [+] | [00:00] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: correct if i've my dod-speak mixed up, but 'designated marksman' is not a sniper - he engages only within visual contact distance | [00:00] |
asciilifeform | (naked eye) | [00:01] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Yes. His range extends to visual past what assualt rifle can not reliably hit fatally, but still visual | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | the term, iirc, refers to the one man in a platoon who was actually taught any marksmanship and is expected to aim | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | the rest 'hosedown' | [00:01] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Russian equivalent for role is Dragunov | [00:01] |
BingoBoingo | tool, not person | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | by some accounts, ^ has a barrel resource of 800 (!) rounds | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | enlarged ak-like thing that takes mosin rounds | [00:03] |
BingoBoingo | Basic requirements for such tool are full power rifle round and semi auto action | [00:03] |
BingoBoingo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_Sniper_Rifle | [00:03] |
assbot | Dragunov sniper rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlMcXo ) | [00:04] |
BingoBoingo | In contemporary USian deployments designated marksmen carries M-14 with a plastic stock and has specialization like the machine gunner | [00:05] |
BingoBoingo | Mosin's great virtue for USian civilian is that it costs roughly 1/10th anything equivalent from domestic manufacterer | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | does any u.s. arms co. even offer anything without plastic, aluminum, or worse ? | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | as in, anywhere in the thing | [00:11] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Sure for 4 digit numer of USD | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | probably 5 | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | (iirc all the m-whatever things are Al but for the barrel) | [00:12] |
BingoBoingo | Nah, 5 exists, 4 though is the sweet spot. | [00:12] |
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mircea_popescu | what's wrong with al. | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | properly alloyed it does beat steel. | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | iirc we had the 'can you club with it' thread | [00:16] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;google M1A | [00:18] |
gribble | M1A™ Tactical Rifle | Top Semi Automatic Firearms | Buy M1A: |
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BingoBoingo | ^ civilian version of M-14 conversion | [00:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.0045519 = 1.8208 BTC [+] {2} | [00:21] |
* | asciilifeform struggles to recall the traditional term for the kind of technowankery where folks buy 'pro' tools without any place to use or relevant skill | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | 'prosumer' ? | [00:21] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Yes. For me it was called "Freshman Year" | [00:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00038309 = 5.5357 BTC [+] | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | 'According to neighbors and a man who hired the teen to write for his Web site, the Osbourn Park student was quiet in person but exceptionally intelligent — authoring articles on complicated science and technology topics.' (wa. p.) << mega-l0l | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | if this is 'intelligent', what's retardation look like ? | [00:25] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/scott-fargo/ << Actual retardation from a subhuman creature that pretends to the title of mammal | [00:25] |
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assbot | Scott Fargo, Author at CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlOJAF ) | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | http://time.com/3732867/etsy-files-for-handcrafted-ipo << another l0l | [00:26] |
assbot | Etsy Files for Handcrafted IPO - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlOLIV ) | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | handcrafted! (tm) | [00:26] |
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asciilifeform | 'A few years ago, Etsy lifted some of its stricter sales requirements, including a ban on sellers using certain manufacturing techniques and hiring staff...' | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | woodcollector! | [00:26] |
decimation | re: no recourse mortgages < banks hate these, but you can get them | [00:26] |
decimation | one semi-popular scam to run in the us is to buy a house with your "IRA" | [00:27] |
asciilifeform | decimation: presumably for considerably higher upfront cost | [00:27] |
decimation | aye | [00:27] |
asciilifeform | or who the hell would get the other kind | [00:27] |
decimation | well, functionally in the us nearly all mortgages are 30 year fixed loans | [00:27] |
decimation | who nobody purchases except for usg | [00:27] |
decimation | it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly | [00:28] |
BingoBoingo | If fiat world could have played nicely, I'd happily be retired in a condo in an "interesting" neighborhood by now, but... | [00:28] |
decimation | at any rate, you can purchase a house with your retirement account, and a no-recourse mortgage is used for that | [00:28] |
decimation | the irs says you can't live in it until you retire, but you can rent it out | [00:29] |
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BingoBoingo | !up jitenm | [00:29] |
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decimation | there's a small cottage industry > http://www.iralending.com/ | [00:29] |
assbot | Self Directed IRA Non-Recourse Loans: Contact NASB Today! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlP4Ua ) | [00:29] |
BingoBoingo | Hello jitenm | [00:29] |
jitenm | howdy folkses | [00:29] |
BingoBoingo | Not bad | [00:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 250 @ 0.00463785 = 1.1595 BTC [-] {2} | [00:34] |
BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/573324531525287937 | [00:35] |
assbot | /Radomysisky /3DPConfidential The guy likened you to a rapist simply because you speak with passion on the topic of politics and technology. | [00:35] |
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mircea_popescu | !up Liberza | [00:37] |
-assbot- | You voiced Liberza for 30 minutes. | [00:37] |
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Liberza | !down syndrome | [00:37] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: who is 3DPConfidential ? | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | and who is Radomysisky | [00:38] |
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mircea_popescu | !up HubertCumberdale | [00:39] |
-assbot- | You voiced HubertCumberdale for 30 minutes. | [00:39] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I have no Idea | [00:40] |
BingoBoingo | !up Vexual | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | isn't cody wilson the guy with that blog, what was it called | [00:40] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;google site:trilema.com cody wilson | [00:40] |
gribble | No matches found. | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | hm. | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: '3d printed gun' fella | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | oh oh | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | who the others are - no idea | [00:40] |
BingoBoingo | ;;google site:qntra.net cody wilson | [00:40] |
gribble | Cody Wilson: "The Bitcoin Community Has Sold Out" | Qntra.net: [00:40] |
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asciilifeform | '...We have plenty of assassination markets now...' << lol, he said this?! | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | does 'market' mean something other than it did when i learned engl.? | [00:42] |
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asciilifeform | i.e., it no longer means 'where you go to trade money for $goodies' but just 'place you go to dump excess money' | [00:43] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Market means the same. At best I assume Cody is an agent... | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | lol bitcoin community has sold out. | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | whai such much lulz everywhere today! | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | agent must have a purpose | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | what kind of 'sin' is he meant to tempt 'sinners' into? | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | ya srsly. | [00:45] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I suspect is is merely a broad net to collect information on malcontents | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | not every derpage's agency. | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | one could make two or three mental leaps and suppose that his work is for getting ammo banned by usg quicker | [00:46] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Maybe not, but having your product obstructed by every domestic shipping company... maybe? | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | or at the very least, to provide the justification-furniture when the bans are rolled out | [00:46] |
BingoBoingo | Indicator, maybe not a perfect one | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | tbh, that is the only logical end game : US of Best Korea, where everything is banned not because they can't afford anything, but for Ideological Reasons. Honest. | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | i used to know poor people like that. all the things they couldn't afford, they didn't do not because they couldn't afford them | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | but for Other Reasons. | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: we already have this. in slow motion | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much yeh | [00:47] |
Liberza | so, asicminer is dead because friedcat has been kidnapped by mongolians. | [00:48] |
Liberza | interesting | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | so basically... either water the plantville farm all day, or else go talk to tlp's intensive pilling unit, or worse! | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | Liberza is this cnn ? | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes: incidentally, bullet would be a perfect 'killer app' for electrolytic machining. low mass, touchy geometry | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | this is a good point. | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | also perfectly metallic. | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | aha | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, this is happening. | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | ditto shell | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [00:49] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Only if electrolytic machining apparatus is refined. Otherwise plastermolds | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | mebbe electrolytic finishing. | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | have them machined grossly then electrofined. | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: this needs only the most trivial form of electrolytic machining - with ready-made cavity | [00:50] |
Vexual | build the spin in | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: have them machined grossly then electrofined << nonono - whole point is to make'em in a cup in kitchen, jungle conditions | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | does this cup mine copper ? | [00:51] |
asciilifeform | the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' | [00:51] |
asciilifeform | copper can be had virtually anywhere short of antarctica | [00:51] |
asciilifeform | in one form or another | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | can be had, how ? | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | as bars ? why not be had as "X profile" | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | where X is gross machined bullet. | [00:52] |
asciilifeform | as pipes | [00:52] |
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mircea_popescu | oh i c what you mean. | [00:52] |
asciilifeform | a metre of pipe - 500 rounds | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | lol alf's crazy gnome lab. "insert pipe here, piss in this funnel and point this end towards enemy". | [00:53] |
Vexual | yeah and he claims hes not a hipster | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform btw, you ever seen la zizanie ? | [00:53] |
asciilifeform | nein | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | excellent antique french movie. | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | listen, do this : pirate it, sit the girl down one fine evening after a delicious repast, watch this thing. | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | guaranteed entertainment . | [00:54] |
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asciilifeform | definitely relevant | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | if there's a way to show the cultural superiority of the 4th republic, this film in this context is it. | [00:54] |
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asciilifeform | briefly back to the bullet thread: the most interesting thing about the suggested method is that any material can be used, so long as it conducts and behaves reasonably well as aqueous ion | [00:55] |
asciilifeform | even, e.g., tungsten | [00:55] |
asciilifeform | whatever's at hand | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | depleted uranium! | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | best fucking bullets, srsly. no one lives. | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | if that's what's in your cellar - then yes | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | metallic arsenic bullets. an assassin's dream come true | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | keels, aileron counterweights | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter : sodium bullets encased in very thin metal : just thick enough to carry it through the air. once it fractures on impact, sodium released. | [00:57] |
asciilifeform | the 'glass bullet' is as nearly as old as the detective story genre. | [00:57] |
mircea_popescu | aye | [00:57] |
BingoBoingo | Rubidium | [00:57] |
asciilifeform | (not much seen in reality, due to shockwaves, but doesn't keep aficionados from trying) | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform such trials particularly suited to electroprocess. | [00:58] |
asciilifeform | aha | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | breathe new life into an entire literary field! | [00:58] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform> (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) << Anyone in Iowa has too much | [00:58] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: would need a sabot | [00:59] |
asciilifeform | then will work. | [00:59] |
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asciilifeform | bonus points for the bullet exercise if you can dispense with the 'mold' entirely and form the conical part purely with field gradient in the bath | [01:01] |
asciilifeform | out of ordinary rod stock | [01:01] |
asciilifeform | sorta a 'solid state electric lathe.' | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform got a link to where you go "omg wtf bbq am i the only one trying to run these shitstacks" | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | in teh logs | [01:03] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040458 | [01:03] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 04:11:00; assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it | [01:03] |
asciilifeform | ^ most recently | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | ty | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | i'm making a sjsqd megapiece, it's great that convo. | [01:04] |
asciilifeform | to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious | [01:04] |
asciilifeform | because much simpler even than what they do | [01:04] |
asciilifeform | no need for computer, even. | [01:04] |
asciilifeform | '3d printer', for those unfamiliar, is a very costly item. i don't even keep one here, can't justify | [01:05] |
decimation | re: wilson < it strikes me that he's just trying to get publicity | [01:05] |
asciilifeform | the ultimate publicity is when your shit - works | [01:05] |
decimation | he recently posted that fedex banned shipping his 3d milling machines | [01:05] |
decimation | obviously, he's selling them as 'death in a box' | [01:06] |
decimation | instead of '3d milling machine' | [01:06] |
asciilifeform | fedex is, afaik, free to boycott whoever | [01:06] |
asciilifeform | it isn't the national post | [01:06] |
decimation | sure. and whoever is free to make a press release about it | [01:06] |
decimation | so I don't think he's serious. although the idea of milling your own 'm-4gery' out of an '80%' receiver is a neat one | [01:07] |
asciilifeform | decimation: it's sop among u.s. small arms aficionados | [01:07] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: they have this ancient law, where that one part is the only thing that 'counts' as a limited item, and the rest of the weapon can be bought with cash in a shop or even outdoor market | [01:08] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yeah, you can even buy the parts to turn your milled receiver into a pistol http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/pistols.asp | [01:08] |
assbot | Bushmaster - Carbon 15 Pistols ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTqBEF ) | [01:08] |
decimation | as fucktarded as that is | [01:08] |
asciilifeform | see the 'saw-off' mosin earlier in thread | [01:08] |
asciilifeform | poor ears | [01:08] |
decimation | asciilifeform: one thing that bewilders me is why suppressors and subsonic ammo is not popular in the us | [01:09] |
decimation | I guess going deaf at the range is an implied rite of manhood | [01:09] |
asciilifeform | decimation: this might have to do with the fact that much of what u.s. folks take to the shooting galleries seems to exist for little purpose but to make an impressive 'bang' | [01:09] |
asciilifeform | so the suppressors (sop in eu) were banned as something only a 'shady crook' would use | [01:10] |
decimation | you can buy them in the us, if they are legal in your state and you submit many forms to usg | [01:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00037791 = 2.1163 BTC [-] | [01:10] |
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asciilifeform | iirc they're limited to public servants or folks willing to license themselves as 'museums' (complete with fingerprinting, letters of recommendation from mayor, surprise inspections, ... etc) | [01:11] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.05173809 = 2.173 BTC [+] {3} | [01:11] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure what you agree to when you buy one but you definitely need a note from stalin | [01:11] |
decimation | I suspect the real reason that usg makes it difficult is because a suppressed small arm has real utility against usg | [01:12] |
asciilifeform | how? | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | rather than franceg, say ? | [01:15] |
decimation | asciilifeform: the relatively silent firearm can be used to ambush and retreat? | [01:17] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: didn't you make the point about how the guns we are allowed to keep are of little threat to usg anyway? | [01:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00037638 = 1.9948 BTC [-] {2} | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | decimation ambush like whom ? | [01:18] |
decimation | well, I'm thinking of a more military scenario | [01:21] |
asciilifeform | ACTION is an armchair general only, but doesn't see the military advantage of usg against subjects as consisting solely or even largely of superior small arms. what, rebel army won't break the law against modifying trigger of semi weapons to auto? rather, advantage of usg is same as in the time of hammurabi - soldiers are fed by the palace so they needn't 'waste' time on honest work; are resupplied so they needn't look for what | [01:22] |
decimation | asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all | [01:24] |
asciilifeform | or whatever $machine | [01:24] |
decimation | asciilifeform: but I agree with your point. ultimately any resistance to usg is going to be economic | [01:24] |
asciilifeform | picture if usg tomorrow said 'we don't care, go buy a cannon if you want, like it's 1780 again' | [01:24] |
asciilifeform | how many will buy? | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | usg still controls, de-facto, the factory, and can thus set price | [01:25] |
decimation | particularly, as you have pointed out, the ammo factory | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | by the time you have a desire to buy the cannon instead of 'toyota' - it's generally too late | [01:25] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 << relevant thread | [01:28] |
assbot | Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. | [01:28] |
decimation | asciilifeform: pounding a wedge between usg and its ability print bezzlars is the proper route of resistance | [01:30] |
decimation | that, and finding a way to mill bullets at home :) | [01:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 254 @ 0.00461378 = 1.1719 BTC [+] {5} | [01:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 500 @ 0.00521471 = 2.6074 BTC [+] {4} | [01:38] |
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decimation | http://www.cnbc.com/id/102477304 < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent." | [01:45] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1EhG2qo ) | [01:45] |
decimation | and the fed is worried about how inflation is too low | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | decimation i had made that point, yes, but the counterpositive is not necessarily true. | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the price thing is amusingly at work in all sorts of ATF stuff. | [01:48] |
mircea_popescu | tons of things "legal if you have a license we aren't issuing because we're at liberty to do this." | [01:48] |
decimation | some rich 'collectors' in the us obtain the proper notes to get fully automatic machine guns | [01:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 312 @ 0.00463785 = 1.447 BTC [-] {2} | [01:50] |
decimation | 50 cal rounds go for like $5 | [01:50] |
decimation | as you can imagine, only the rich can have such a hobby | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | well, it's not rich per se. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | only dependants. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | the buffett-rich, the people who are not merely willing to go on the record stating "i am representative of richness, i couldn't exist outside of usg, therefore usg is EVERYTHING", but actually believe it. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | lemme dig up relevant quote. | [01:52] |
decimation | didn't Carnegie, Rockefeller, et. al. bail out us banks from their personal accounts? | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | "accounts' | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | the j p morgan bailout was essentially a "everyone come to my house!" and then "you will do like so because i say so" | [01:54] |
decimation | yeah exactly | [01:54] |
decimation | and crassus was said to have wealth equal to the treasury | [01:55] |
decimation | now that's 'rich' | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | uh, treasury was never that rich. | [01:55] |
asciilifeform | a case like these is simply historians misidentifying who is actually the fella wearing the crown | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | to properly grok how rich the triumvir was : he could afford to pay for ~18 million usians to go fight for tikrit. | [01:56] |
asciilifeform | (whether by malfeasance or otherwise) | [01:56] |
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mircea_popescu | the cost for the 20 measly thousand the dod scrounged together (and who faced exactly the fate of crassus' host) was > 1bn | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | know many dudes with 1trn in loose change knocking around ? | [01:57] |
decimation | yeah exactly | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform he was one of the three, nothing is misidentified is it. | [01:57] |
decimation | I assume he meant jp morgan | [01:58] |
asciilifeform | thiking more of ^ | [01:58] |
asciilifeform | *thinking | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | oh. well, no. he wore the banking crown, nobody disputed that, and for good reason. | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | but division of labour eh ? | [01:58] |
decimation | well, morgan and his other monopoly friends thought they could 'endow' their bailout wealth to usg via the federal reserve | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | a crown in the traditional sense is a very primitive instrument, because it purports (necessarily, but ineffectually) to hold ALL sovereignty. now the poor bearer's stuck deciding how fires are to be put out, how wives are to be kept, etc. | [01:59] |
decimation | that didn't work out very well | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | decimation this is entirely counterfactual nonsense that never happened. | [01:59] |
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mircea_popescu | an' generally, i'd be wary of trusting the current retards' retelling of century old banking history. | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | for one thing, they're too stupid to understand it, for another they don't speak the language, for the third they imagine they have political judgements to make. | [02:00] |
decimation | did morgan et al not meet on jekyll island to institute the fed? | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i dunno where that wb quote is, somewhere in his 70s brk letters. all poetic about how great paying taxes is because hey, being rich's unfair. | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | decimation afaik he wasn't there. | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | he died iether before or soon after, and had for a while retired. | [02:02] |
* | asciilifeform has buffett 'symlinked' mentally with armand hammer. and wonders if there is any logical reason for this | [02:05] |
decimation | nevertheless, I take your point that the study of this history is worthwhile | [02:05] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Crassus was the Fire department | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | decimation in particular, the us fed was an attempt to copy germany, at the time extremely effectual. | [02:06] |
decimation | although I don't know how one could find a history that isn't wrapped in progressive bullshit | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | it's easy to recast today as some sort of nefariousness, but if regarded properly rather than anchronistically it's just exactly the same as imperial russians trying to copy prussia. | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | at the time, in fact, the us and russia had a shitload in common : inept peripheral immense landmasses. | [02:06] |
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mircea_popescu | pretty much the same problems, the same solutions, the same obsession of women with french and men with german shit and so on. | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | nobody has made a "Russia and the US in the 1800s : A Tale Of Twin Sisters" monograph to date | [02:07] |
asciilifeform | aaactually | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | this merely speaks to the poor quality of english "historians". where's the new york gibbon ? | [02:08] |
asciilifeform | plenty of (otherwise uninteresting, believe) sov. tracts re: analogy b/w us slavery & ru serf-keeping | [02:08] |
asciilifeform | and the decline of each | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform russian side is a little better represented, but not much. | [02:09] |
decimation | the historians who would be worth a shit are probably busy trying to keep their house and eat | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | so did gibbon. | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | he ALSO did the rise and fall. | [02:09] |
* | BingoBoingo maybe surprisingly would still be willing to carry a rifle to tikrit in USia's name. Just since USia didn't accept my flirtations last time if they take me this time I want to pick the rifle. | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | life's what happens while people had other plans, an' posteriority remembers what you did BESIDES paying the bills. | [02:09] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: last i checked usg will enlist just about anyone under fifty or so | [02:10] |
BingoBoingo | Sand niggers are still a species of nigger | [02:10] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: They spotted me the last time with a specific mental defect they refuse to abide | [02:11] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: tried the private sector ? | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [02:12] |
asciilifeform | (i.e. the twenty thousand) | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | you can probably make decent loot with the various brackwaters. | [02:12] |
asciilifeform | though last i heard they're pretty well staffed and get picky | [02:12] |
asciilifeform | (preferring folks schooled in the normal army for a tour or three) | [02:13] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: The fucking local mall turned me down last X-mas season. Not any specific vendor, but all of them. | [02:13] |
BingoBoingo | I've a cousin who did some bracjwasser stuff | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | !t m s.qntr | [02:14] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027314 / 0.000301 (17082 shares, 4.67 BTC), 30D: 0.00021897 / 0.0002619 / 0.000301 (62444 shares, 16.35 BTC) | [02:14] |
BingoBoingo | Was bored, but at least he wasn't on a boat which was his greatest fear as a marine | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | !t m s.mpoe | [02:14] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035809 / 0.00038073 / 0.00040007 (2565886 shares, 976.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00033798 / 0.00039508 / 0.00044462 (26732598 shares, 10,561.55 BTC), 30D: 0.00033798 / 0.00040005 / 0.00048515 (88726595 shares, 35,495.37 BTC) | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | howly shit this is actually possibru o.O | [02:15] |
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mircea_popescu | god dangit. | [02:17] |
decimation | ;;ticker | [02:17] |
gribble | Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 271.59, 24 hour volume: 67948.14967978, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None | [02:17] |
chanserv | OP #bitcoin-assets | [02:17] |
* | ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu | [02:17] |
* | mircea_popescu sets ban on *!*Dr-G@*.pool.mediaWays.net | [02:17] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: qntra shares face scarcity necessarily | [02:17] |
* | mircea_popescu removes channel operator status from mircea_popescu | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo yeah but still. | [02:17] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Over time total new s.qntr per month is on a downward trend becasuse refinement | [02:18] |
BingoBoingo | Each scam is only worth so many textual bullets | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | yep. | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | not a bad thing that, anywya. | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | more words < better words. | [02:19] |
BingoBoingo | And if it wasn't for Moxenslit I wouls have been 1400 less words last month, but eulogy | [02:19] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Qntra to the moon" http://bitbet.us/bet/1127/ | [02:20] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: But if brackwasser wants my hands they cn knock on my door as the FBI and Treasury department did. | [02:24] |
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BingoBoingo | Maybe they can actually hold together ling enough to submit a bid. | [02:25] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: lol, right after i get conscripted to nsa sharashka | [02:25] |
asciilifeform | and ben_vulpes - to the ministry of wunderwaffen rocketeers | [02:25] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Your plague is high standards. So long as their only demand is I shoot brown people, then I and them will be fine. | [02:26] |
BingoBoingo | !up Vexual | [02:26] |
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BingoBoingo | Vexual: I am way too drunk atm for PM's | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | Vexual you know, iranians are white. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | and the chicks are pretty. | [02:27] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [02:27] |
BingoBoingo | Iranians could totally get the dick. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | i think they stole more circassians than the dutch stole africans. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | were at it for far longer, that's for sure. | [02:27] |
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* | asciilifeform refrains from going into deep tangent re: how iran may well have joined euro camp rather than descending into strange if it hadn't been spat upon as 'eastern monkeys' when tried | [02:29] |
BingoBoingo | As a USian I have to assume ISIS must be bad, and therefore Obumer sucks for not letting me take potshots at them. | [02:29] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Iran has always been more ready then the turks | [02:29] |
asciilifeform | see, for instance, the story regarding the composition of their not-quite-national-anthem 'ey iran' - sorta their equiv. of 'america the beautiful' | [02:30] |
decimation | asciilifeform: I thought iran went apeshit because of the british and us meddling | [02:30] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: i was nearly disowned from marching band at one time for insisting on continuance to Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse | [02:30] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: should have sang the 'La Marseillaise' | [02:31] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: I am not of Jurov's interface preferences | [02:32] |
asciilifeform | lol | [02:32] |
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cazalla | damn, you piss heads are tempting me to drink now | [02:32] |
asciilifeform | would american schoolboys even recognize it ? | [02:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00037373 = 6.0918 BTC [-] {2} | [02:33] |
BingoBoingo | Seriouly though if USia offered me a mosin in exchange for 45 minutes at the ISIS border bleaching browns... I'd take that | [02:33] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: They would not | [02:33] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: this is roughly why usg is still in business | [02:33] |
decimation | rivers of meat are still ready to serve | [02:34] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo dreamt all his life of an infantry career? mud, guts, the works ? | [02:34] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: They would recognize te sovient national anthem though given a picture of sean connery | [02:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041914 << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?! | [02:34] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 19:37:51; danielpbarron: yeah, prepare to be hated and banned | [02:34] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: And yet it was my temporal lobes that betrayed me | [02:34] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, this ssd kid is abso-fucking-lutely endearing. | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | anyone even know who he is ? | [02:35] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | well join/part spam, yeah | [02:35] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: best I can tell they were anb honest n00b | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | but that gets undone on a "hey, i fixed it!" | [02:36] |
asciilifeform | peculiarly radiation-damaged n00b | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo pity they never reg'd now it'll be damned hard to make the link. | [02:36] |
asciilifeform | too many limbs of one type, too few - of other, wrong directions attached | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i read almost the whole thing, i fail to see anything to indicate anything wrong with him. | [02:36] |
BingoBoingo | sjsqd: is still welcome to my ear. Maybe I misse dsome other subject | [02:37] |
BingoBoingo | ;;later tell sjsqd You are a crisis nao | [02:37] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: nothing malicious about the poor bugger, just the fact of having all of the traditional misconceptions ('i'll use my phone', 'let's try the Cloud', etc.) | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | kinda funny, yeah. | [02:37] |
decimation | asciilifeform: how did you find that 'new lamer' guy? incoming links? | [02:38] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: That, plus their poor timing | [02:38] |
asciilifeform | decimation: machine logs | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | but children are born thus. the infrastructure if you wish. the pulmonary shunt. | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | it serves a purpose | [02:38] |
BingoBoingo | Last year... | [02:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00037056 = 3.6871 BTC [-] {2} | [02:39] |
decimation | asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat | [02:39] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, what ya drinking, vodka? | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | aww and all the hate he's getting. | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | mats whay so mean dood! | [02:40] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: The solution is not shooting him yet, but giving him a historical cadaver to explore | [02:40] |
asciilifeform | dubai (his claimed home) is an interesting place. haven't had to go there myself yet, but have a friend who regularly visits. has stories | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform at some point in the 90s knew a whole bunch of chicks who technically lived there | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | came back home "to study" 9 months in the year, hung out with husband over summer. | [02:41] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Yes. Not vodka really. Just plain grain alcohol... and time... and dreams... of USia giving me brown people as a target... | [02:41] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, believe it or not, i've yet to imbibe this month but you're encouraging.. so | [02:41] |
decimation | the arabs import everything, food, women, work | [02:41] |
asciilifeform | the one thing i've always wondered about dubai is what the owners actually -do- (vs have others do) | [02:42] |
asciilifeform | but iirc the prophet never forbade coke | [02:43] |
decimation | asciilifeform: if they are gentlemen scholars they don't seem to publish in english | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform apparently they're very insecure people, spend a lot of time wondering. | [02:43] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/294758231.html | [02:44] |
assbot | Minnesota college tragedies: Drunk, frozen and underage | Star Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sg5B2 ) | [02:44] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041934 o.O didn't know petey's fluent in russians. | [02:44] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 19:43:17; pete_dushenski: now that it's a bit quieter in here: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/ | [02:44] |
decimation | asciilifeform: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/emergencies/fire-in-a-dubai-building-disrupts-dubai-metro-operations-1.1216376 | [02:44] |
assbot | Fire in a Dubai building disrupts Dubai Metro operations | GulfNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sg9Rh ) | [02:44] |
mircea_popescu | a nm, french version | [02:44] |
decimation | asciilifeform: video of the fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9djyhXo_k50 | [02:46] |
assbot | Tallest Residential Building on Fire - Dubai - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18Sgvax ) | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041954 << aaaaahahahahaha | [02:46] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 19:53:30; assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | holy shit who does these things | [02:46] |
danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042688 << i meant banned from whatever venues he came from if he starts writing about b-a | [02:47] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 05:30:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041914 << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?! | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041957 << there's http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ but otherwise the idea is for wikis etc to be community maintained. | [02:47] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 19:56:49; PeterL: does Eulora have an official website? | [02:47] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/18SgCTx ) | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | danielpbarron oh. yeah, i guess so. | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | artifexd ^ i would hope you won't have that problem ? :D | [02:48] |
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* | BingoBoingo wonders why USG won't consider cost effective ISIS solutions | [02:50] |
asciilifeform | ^ subject to the standard 'unexpected hanging theorem' disclaimer | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041988 << quite. | [02:50] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 20:11:02; asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts | [02:50] |
danielpbarron | the reason i didn't clarify at the time was that i kinda hope he does go and write a LTBarticle about this place and get himself banned from "the community" | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | danielpbarron i think it's at breaking point, that "community" | [02:51] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: That is neither a problem nor a lack therof | [02:51] |
danielpbarron | right | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | treason's only a hanging offence originally. soon enough... | [02:51] |
danielpbarron | it would be good for him to get ejected from their midst | [02:51] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: So your disagreement relatred ratings | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | i kinda expect ejection in droves during the year. | [02:51] |
danielpbarron | don't take my word for it, sort of thing | [02:51] |
asciilifeform | it's at breaking point << it's been carrying on a happy 'life' of the undead zombie for quite some time, rotting, culturing maggots & worms, throwing chunks of flesh at bystanders | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform notrly, no. | [02:52] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: Contrast the case of 'Rozal' | [02:52] |
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danielpbarron | i gave rozal -10 for being a self described liar, and some others got a -1 or -2 for striking me as sketchy.. | [02:53] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it's alive for the purpose of usg stooges being able to 'talk about bitcoin' without mentioning #b-a ever | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1042001 << such lovely, srsly. | [02:54] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 20:13:24; asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you | [02:54] |
decimation | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/how-a-25-year-old-investor-spurred-lumber-liquidators-plunge < apparently the new investing hotness is to short a company and then throw it into the usg woodchipper | [02:54] |
assbot | How a 25-Year-Old Sparked Lumber Liquidators’ Stock Plunge - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/18l0LLQ ) | [02:54] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it's 100% free online, too | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i think your view of what is after all a natural process is too informed by categorical logic. | [02:54] |
asciilifeform | (common lisp has a standard-cum-rationale and it isn't quite as deliciously readable) | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | real objects can of course never be categorically anything. | [02:55] |
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asciilifeform | but similar | [02:55] |
asciilifeform | too informed by categorical logic... real objects can of course never be categorically anything << guilty. professional disease. | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | nttawwi. | [02:56] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: You initially gave him a small negative rating out of dislike and it was described as such. I hung him for fabricating allegations of theft. | [02:56] |
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danielpbarron | what is the point of -10 if not for also having access to the other integers between it and 0 | [02:56] |
asciilifeform | am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | holy shit 2k lines that aren't your own are hard as fucking coffin nails | [02:58] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: For the dark mark. He got -10 for most grevious crime | [02:58] |
asciilifeform | *what they wish us to believe they are | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yes. wot is "level of confidence i have a complete picture of this person" | [02:58] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;rated Rozal | [02:59] |
gribble | You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment. | [02:59] |
* | mircea_popescu insists on http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ | [02:59] |
assbot | What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un ) | [02:59] |
asciilifeform | ^^ aha that one | [02:59] |
mircea_popescu | uh. speaking of which... anyone could explain wtf https://www.pinterest.com/ethanrana/httptrilemacom2014what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works/ is ?! | [02:59] |
assbot | http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ on Pinterest | 100 Pins ... ( http://bit.ly/18l12yp ) | [02:59] |
asciilifeform | spamatron | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | but... why an url ?! | [03:00] |
asciilifeform | 'seo' | [03:00] |
asciilifeform | particularly in the case of certain demented browsers that pipe url bar contents into search engine under certain conditions | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [03:01] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: consider - how did you even discover that page | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1042034 hawahahahahaha | [03:01] |
assbot | Logged on 04-03-2015 21:15:54; bitstein: This is pretty lulzy: https://github.com/jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i had no idea trilema is THAT googled. | [03:02] |
asciilifeform | eth-neg << do you wonder why it was disclosed for bounty? rather than being used to shoot the thing in the head | [03:02] |
asciilifeform | as it quite certainly could have been | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | because the thing is worthless ? | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | (my hypothesis, simple: because eth. isn't alive and cannot be killed by shooting in the head. like 'redphone' and 'silent circle') | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | 1000 'fatal' bugs will be found, if it carries on long enough, and will make no difference. | [03:04] |
scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-sjsqd-walks-into-a-pub/ | [03:04] |
artifexd | gossipd status: http://i.minus.com/ibaDjk7AeIcvxv.gif | [03:06] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/18SjtM5 ) | [03:06] |
BingoBoingo | PeterL I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking. << And this is how the world ends. Not with a whimper, but with a 7.62x54R bang | [03:11] |
* | asciilifeform thought it ends with the 'schpokk' of nailgun | [03:12] |
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mircea_popescu | artifexd lolk took 3 passes but bwahahaha | [03:13] |
artifexd | I'm pretty heads down on it so 1) I am falling very behind on logs and 2) I'm not hanging out in here | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | makes sense. | [03:16] |
artifexd | But, I do get pinged if my name shows up and I don't want y'all to think it has been forgotten. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | got pinged because of the go http debacle | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | two lines up from where you were pinged | [03:16] |
asciilifeform | not that widget, as specced, uses http/s for anything | [03:17] |
artifexd | While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking. | [03:17] |
asciilifeform | but it is precisely the kind of thing one gets when using turdlangs | [03:17] |
asciilifeform | esp. ones where 'omg111!!11 rich libraries, they do everything' | [03:17] |
danielpbarron | Funny how not long it takes the Christian to start a holy war upon the poor Arab! << LOL, I honestly didn't even consider his ethnicity; I have a /stab alias for when people annoy me | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | i enjoy opportunities to poke at people | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [03:18] |
artifexd | Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly. | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [03:21] |
* | BingoBoingo farts | [03:21] |
BingoBoingo | artifexd: Golang seems to have a lot of those holes | [03:21] |
* | BingoBoingo adires tedu as guy aho makes bullshit mor menory safe, questions... the rest pf the corpus | [03:25] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL? | [03:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00037132 = 3.7875 BTC [+] | [03:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00037062 = 13.9538 BTC [-] {2} | [03:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3058 @ 0.00037051 = 1.133 BTC [-] | [03:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00037035 = 4.5553 BTC [-] {2} | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/04/kerckhoffs-history-and-principles-of-military-cryptography-translated-and-adnotated/#footnote_2_2919 << belive it or not that'd actually be ecdsa rather than simple transposition. | [04:09] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [04:09] |
assbot | Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMWtU8 ) | [04:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7923 @ 0.00038223 = 3.0284 BTC [+] {2} | [04:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00037275 = 5.7217 BTC [-] {2} | [04:37] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00036892 = 4.0028 BTC [-] {2} | [04:45] |
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punkman | http://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ | [04:51] |
assbot | Mexican Cartels Enslave Engineers to Build Radio Network | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoFXzD ) | [04:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31726 @ 0.00038373 = 12.1742 BTC [+] {3} | [04:53] |
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punkman | http://metatalk.metafilter.com/23626/Sixteen-Years | [05:07] |
assbot | Sixteen Years | MetaTalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoI5Yk ) | [05:07] |
punkman | when did they throw away the old cozy design... | [05:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00037403 = 2.0572 BTC [-] | [05:10] |
punkman | ;;ticker | [05:12] |
gribble | Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.63, Best ask: 272.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 272.7, 24 hour volume: 64140.20713433, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None | [05:12] |
punkman | gribble doesn't like buttstamp anymore? | [05:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00038422 = 1.5369 BTC [+] | [05:16] |
cazalla | http://www.digitalcurrencycouncil.com/uncategorized/join-us-on-march-8th-for-bitcoin-womens-day/ | [05:19] |
assbot | Join Us on March 8th for Bitcoin Women's Day - Digital Currency Council ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoJT3p ) | [05:19] |
punkman | lulz http://www.internationalwomensday.com/theme.asp | [05:20] |
assbot | INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY 2015 Theme: Make It Happen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoK7HN ) | [05:20] |
cazalla | punkman, i've made my contribution, have you? https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/573396933793857536 | [05:23] |
assbot | Bitcoin needs more women! To that end, women can earn their first 0.1 BTC right here! http://t.co/jkfTtJ6tS3 /hashtag/MakeItHappen?src=hash /hashtag/BitcoinWomensDay?src=hash | [05:23] |
punkman | cazalla, I will contribute by only using purple sex toys on the girl | [05:24] |
punkman | it's the color of equality | [05:24] |
punkman | http://image.dhgate.com/albu_925764541_00/1.0x0.jpg | [05:31] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoLFSm ) | [05:31] |
cazalla | that's a real thing lol? | [05:37] |
punkman | scary looking bird http://bongashop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/bfe434d3359b3a2b8d266fbb8472c53a/A/N/ANPS14.jpg | [05:40] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoMTgc ) | [05:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00037403 = 8.3409 BTC [-] | [05:55] |
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mircea_popescu | cazalla what's "women's day" got to do with "digital currency" w/e the shit that means. | [06:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6575 @ 0.00037706 = 2.4792 BTC [+] | [06:03] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, seems an opportunity for them to stick their dcc branded shit next to an even bigger shittier brand, that being international wimminz day | [06:03] |
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mircea_popescu | totally this is the way to success. | [06:04] |
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mircea_popescu | keep keeping the magic buttons next to other magic buttons so the magic keeps infusing from one to the other and multiplying and shit. | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | and bring about three apocalypses for the low low price of 19.95 | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | but wait! there's more! | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | if you apocalypse now you also get this free set of dragonbane absolutely free! | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | (retail value of 49.95) | [06:05] |
cazalla | that's some steak knife | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | PLUS! if you only use purple toys on the girl you get a bactericide cream for the vajayjay ABSOLUTELY FREE | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | "While Amin's articles, author profile at Coin Brief and twitter account have since been deleted, a copy of his author archive at Coin Brief remains available via Google cache and is mirrored here." | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | why the fuck would people do this. doesn't it stand to reason it's interesting now ? why delete it ? | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha | [06:09] |
cazalla | i know eh, his site has been mentioned in the wapo, cnn.. and he goes and deletes it lol | [06:10] |
cazalla | the guys content that is, not the site itself | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | weird. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, since this is such a big deal (!?), anyone know of some of these isis reddit users ? | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | we could have a script to changetip them fiddy satoshi till the cows come home | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ? | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | preferably using coinbase. | [06:13] |
cazalla | nope, but i'd laugh if they began to include a QR code in their head chop videos | [06:13] |
cazalla | donate x amount of BTC to see this guy go free by such and such date | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | they could have a "vote how the guy dies". | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | <10 btc, beheaded. < 100 btc, stabbed in esophagus. etc. | [06:15] |
cazalla | perhaps a custom video for the largest changetipper | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | 100 btc guy goes free (o oops, a DIFFERENT group got him just as he was leaving our compound) | [06:15] |
cazalla | lol | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the recently failed megaoffensive on tikrit produced from what i hear a good few thousands prisoners | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | no better time to turn usg agents into camwhores. | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | the eventual fate of everyone working for that thing anyway, why wait. | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | "pay $50 to watch pvt 1st class joshua cooper learn to give oral pleasure to Berg, the great dane" | [06:17] |
cazalla | i believe the aussie pm send 300 soliders to join the fight these past few days | [06:17] |
cazalla | sent*.. i'm not even drinking yet speak the engrish | [06:18] |
cazalla | i'm not so sure the great dane shit would be that popular | [06:19] |
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mircea_popescu | well whatcha gonna do, gayness is not allowed i think ? | [06:20] |
cazalla | i dunno, the egyptian pilot who got toasty'd was quite popular | [06:20] |
fluffypony | [11:05:44] <+mircea_popescu> lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha <- lol, anyone know what the story is? | [06:20] |
cazalla | 3D! | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, if isis had any sense they'd just steal the liveshow format. what's that thing called where they put x guys in a house ? | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | except do it right, give them knives. | [06:20] |
cazalla | he change tipped an alleged isis twitter account fluffypony lol | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony top story on qntra atm | [06:21] |
fluffypony | hah hah | [06:21] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, big brother | [06:21] |
* | fluffypony checks | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla tya that. | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, if there's an official isis accounts list somewhere, i'm totally game to send them whatever 0.0050 cents or w/e changetip does. | [06:21] |
cazalla | there probably is somewhere | [06:22] |
cazalla | can't say i'm keen to be the first aussie bitcoiner nailed to the cross for simply mentioning bitcoin and ISIS in the same sentence though.. | [06:23] |
cazalla | the cops already shut down an arterial road a few suburbs over this afternoon because some guy dared shoot annoying birds with an air rifle | [06:25] |
cazalla | http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-close-roads-gunman-in-toorak-road-south-yarra-20150305-13wcev.html | [06:25] |
assbot | Police close roads, gunman in Toorak Road, South Yarra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZQIU8 ) | [06:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00037462 = 7.3238 BTC [-] {3} | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | nuts. | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | the very idea that police may even close roads... | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | this is rebellion outright. | [06:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00037578 = 1.6346 BTC [+] {3} | [06:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0003875 = 9.3388 BTC [+] {3} | [06:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00036807 = 5.7643 BTC [-] {2} | [07:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4101 BTC [+] | [07:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00036786 = 4.9661 BTC [-] {2} | [07:26] |
samO_ | scoopbot sergiohlb shesek sjsqd so starsoccer Stellarflip STRML | [07:27] |
mircea_popescu | !up sjsqd | [07:27] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [07:27] |
-assbot- | You voiced sjsqd for 30 minutes. | [07:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00038973 = 3.4362 BTC [+] | [07:32] |
cazalla | sjsqd, ya back! | [07:32] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.04232399 = 1.2697 BTC [-] {4} | [07:48] |
sjsqd | sorry afk have to visit family | [07:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.012 = 1.26 BTC [+] | [07:48] |
mircea_popescu | o.O havelock returns ? | [07:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00038874 = 4.5871 BTC [-] {3} | [07:54] |
cazalla | saw a few trades earlier | [07:58] |
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cazalla | !up sjsqd | [08:01] |
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cazalla | btw sjsqd, are you indian? | [08:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.0421 = 2.105 BTC [-] | [08:02] |
mircea_popescu | Because it is endangered and endemic to the area, development projects have been restricted to preserve its habitat. For example, the Dickey-Lincoln dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on the upper Saint John River in 1974, was deauthorized by Congress in 1986 after years of study, because the dam would have flooded 88,000 acres (360 km2) of Maine forest and severely reduced the lousewort's habitat. Some | [08:02] |
mircea_popescu | criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; Time magazine called the idea "downright silly" in 1977. While thought extinct at the time the dam was proposed, it was rediscovered in 1976 by C.D. Richards while doing surveys to determine the environmental impact of the dam. | [08:02] |
mircea_popescu | epic. | [08:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00036464 = 4.1751 BTC [-] {2} | [08:03] |
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adlai | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-03-2015#1042884 << they don't want your usary scrip, isiscoin uses PoAu | [08:14] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 09:09:14; mircea_popescu: or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ? | [08:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00038482 = 1.7317 BTC [+] | [08:23] |
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chetty | http://www.coindesk.com/russian-politician-us-bitcoin-finance-terrorism/ | [08:52] |
assbot | Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fd7rXE ) | [08:52] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [20:34] |
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cazalla | look like indiana jones' number might be up | [20:49] |
cazalla | or han solo depending on your preference | [20:50] |
mircea_popescu | what's that mean ? | [20:55] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, is Harrison Ford kicking the bucket soon? | [20:55] |
cazalla | i hate to link to it, but.. http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash-landing-golf-course-santa-monica/ | [20:56] |
assbot | Harrison Ford -- Plane Crashes ... Actor Seriously Injured | TMZ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOovK8 ) | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | cessna nailgun | [20:56] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042949 ehehehe | [20:59] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 11:47:57; assbot: Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fd7rXE ) | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | who is this, zhirinovsky ? | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042955 << their argument rests on some random schmuck who went in the field to "Study" it, introduced some seeds, claimed to have discovered the resulting plants and woe and behold, a redditard mattered! | [21:00] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 12:47:00; punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?! | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | i think it's unseemly that they should be further encouraged. | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | the sooner they lose all hope the sooner their children can begin tearing up redditardamerica and building a livable space north of rio grande. | [21:00] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu aha you're quite right about the scytales. a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves. | [21:01] |
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mircea_popescu | yup | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | greeks, way ahead of romans and their spawn ONCE AGAIN | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | they had the atomic theory, they had the steam engine, they had the works. | [21:02] |
pete_dushenski | atomic theory i knew, but steam engine ?! | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [21:03] |
pete_dushenski | and the romans were empire builders, not philosophers | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | look into hero of alexandria | [21:04] |
pete_dushenski | they had philosophers, but that's a different thing | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | (aeolipile) | [21:04] |
pete_dushenski | "The aeolipile was a hollow sphere mounted so that it could turn on a pair of hollow tubes that provided steam to the sphere from a cauldron. The steam escaped from the sphere from one or more bent tubes projecting from its equator, causing the sphere to revolve. The aeolipile is the first known device to transform steam into rotary motion." | [21:05] |
pete_dushenski | well waddya know! | [21:05] |
cazalla | got another retweet for the bits for tits trilema post.. this time by a bitcoin magazine for women.. ah ha, they don't even read, just retweet | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:06] |
cazalla | of course, i'm working on the assumption these are lefties who would be grossly offended at such an idea but you never know.. | [21:06] |
scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-february-2015-statement/ | [21:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00040568 = 9.3915 BTC [+] {4} | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | ftr, actual lefties aren't offended at nudity. | [21:06] |
adlai | what's this about graphing curves? | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | the weirdo abominable us "lefties", which are really a sort of recycled aunt pollies, yes. | [21:07] |
pete_dushenski | adlai greek scytales | [21:07] |
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assbot | ECCHacks - A gentle introduction to elliptic-curve cryptography [31c3] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOq8Yt ) | [21:07] |
mircea_popescu | but otherwise, a lefty commune more likely to be nude than otherwise. | [21:07] |
adlai | sure, i know what scytales are. but 'a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.' = ? | [21:07] |
pete_dushenski | adlai do i misunderstand how scytales work ? | [21:08] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, aren't the us lefties the type of lefties behind bitcoin wimminz day anyway | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | gotta ask 'em, cazalla. whadda i know >D | [21:08] |
cazalla | the other leftie type being.. amir/hippy types living in a hovel engaging in drug fuelled orgies? | [21:09] |
adlai | pete_dushenski: could be. scytales just rearrange the 'packets' of a message, whereas modern crypto jumbles the data within | [21:09] |
pete_dushenski | " the scytale, consisted of a tapered baton around which was spirally wrapped a piece of parchment inscribed with the message. When unwrapped the parchment bore an incomprehensible set of letters, but when wrapped around another baton of identical proportions, the original text reappeared. " | [21:10] |
adlai | it just changes the order of the letters | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042989 < http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160812 | [21:11] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 16:51:02; ben_vulpes: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/ << moar on google breaking the internet | [21:11] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQPr2V ) | [21:11] |
pete_dushenski | adlai being ignorant of the difference between rearranging packets and jumbling, can you expand ? | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla most of israel was built by lefties. | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | adlai "packets" "data within", what is this, we make up words day ? | [21:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00040817 = 4.694 BTC [+] | [21:13] |
pete_dushenski | also, who needs scoopbot when I'm here anyways : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/05/the-fashionability-of-being-uncompetitive-because-reasons/ | [21:15] |
assbot | The fashionability of being uncompetitive. Because Reasons. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1aOrOB6 ) | [21:15] |
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adlai | pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2π, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column | [21:15] |
adlai | the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged | [21:16] |
adlai | it leaks information about the message content, even if you don't get the full thing | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | adlai you are making assumptions about the length of the parchment. | [21:17] |
jurov | so what. should have used klein bottles or such. | [21:17] |
adlai | what assumptions? | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | it could be 2700 stadies for all you know | [21:17] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;calc .185 * 2700 | [21:18] |
gribble | 499.5 | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | 500km. wow check me out, i can estimate! | [21:18] |
pete_dushenski | lol | [21:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10222 @ 0.00040817 = 4.1723 BTC [+] | [21:19] |
pete_dushenski | wait, where's 0.185 from ? | [21:19] |
asciilifeform | adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist << the bot is not for use! it's a theoretical construction, like carnot cycle | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | there's ~185 meters in a stadion | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | (the thing you folks call stadium in english an' stadion in french :) ) | [21:20] |
pete_dushenski | o estadio ! | [21:21] |
asciilifeform | scytales... ecdsa << if this analogy is accurate, woe be unto ecdsa users. you can crack scyrale with a physical contrivance analogous to an engorging cock | [21:21] |
pete_dushenski | depends on one's.... capacity | [21:21] |
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pete_dushenski | not everyone packs a salami for lunch | [21:21] |
jurov | if the "perfect bot" ends up with less then complete monopoly, then it's non-prefect by definition | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform only if it's fixed taper. | [21:22] |
jurov | unless we can endlessly argue that monopoly is not optiomal outcome for its owner | [21:22] |
jurov | the boundary is now carnot cycle but complete pwnage | [21:23] |
jurov | *not carnot cycle | [21:23] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if can vary taper between min and max of what opponent could have used - then yes | [21:23] |
asciilifeform | jurov: nobody's getting a monopoly off epsilon btc | [21:23] |
asciilifeform | jurov: which is why the gedankenexperiment was specifically about epsilon | [21:24] |
jurov | in 2009 there was only epsilon | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons. | [21:24] |
jurov | notyhing else | [21:24] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu asciilifeform could also be variable taper | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | it's what i said o.O | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | i doubt that they varied the taper | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | ever seen the item itself ? | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | take a table leg, a length of photo film, and experiment | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | no, table length is turned. | [21:25] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu i'm slow.. | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | only ever saw modern reproductions of scytale | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | not having been to ancient sparta in person | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | all the ones i've seen were asymmetrical. | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | http://crypto.di.uoa.gr/ec13puzzle/Eurocrypt_2013_-_puzzle_page/background_files/IMG_4749.jpg | [21:26] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQRhB3 ) | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | i see it | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | crpto, 3k years ago as today : if naively implemented, trivial. if not... well.... ahem. | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | still crackable with a rubber cock that inflates while second variable is expansion of one end (use an aperture, like camera) | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but the problem becomes similar to "crack this otp" | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | "sure. i can crack it any way you want me to" | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | more like cracking a rotor | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | more like cracking rsa : for the techology they had at the time, absolute security. | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | as adlai pointed out, there is ample info bounding the possible plaintexts available in the ciphertext | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | for their time - if they worked it correctly - yes | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | only if you assume the pad is short and fixed length | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | fixed distance i mean. if you have a 100 cm pad with 1 leter per cm, yes. | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no. | [21:29] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, i love a good analogue 'stone-age' cryptomechanism. and not only for enciphering. consider the broken cup. | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | right | [21:30] |
asciilifeform | authenticator, used even in ww2 | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | this, iirc, was the first use of glass | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | they'd make a bead and crush it. | [21:30] |
asciilifeform | modern cryptowankers' parlance calls these 'physically unclonable function' | [21:30] |
asciilifeform | glass is still king, incidentally | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | tup | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | yup* | [21:31] |
asciilifeform | except don't have to break it, but expose to light | [21:31] |
asciilifeform | a kind of interferometric 'hash' | [21:31] |
adlai | the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party | [21:31] |
asciilifeform | adlai: ? | [21:32] |
adlai | shared secret generation | [21:32] |
asciilifeform | what's the unclonable part ? | [21:32] |
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pete_dushenski | adlai the cool thing about everything nonphysical is... its nonphysicality ;) | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | when i used word 'unclonable' - that's meant literally. as in, no one will produce a matching half of that broken glass | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | even if they'd much like to | [21:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10384 @ 0.00039901 = 4.1433 BTC [-] | [21:34] |
asciilifeform | with any existing or foreseeable tech | [21:34] |
adlai | i guess everything's clonable, so that's the wrong analogy to make; physical unclonable items would be used for authentication ('thing is as i remember it'), shared secrets are used for secure communication | [21:34] |
asciilifeform | (there are edges a few atoms thick, in there) | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | adlai> i guess everything's clonable, << what's this, progress hour ? | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160795 << lawl i like this guy. | [21:36] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQSnwx ) | [21:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25936 @ 0.00040536 = 10.5134 BTC [+] {2} | [21:37] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00037772 = 8.5742 BTC [-] {3} | [21:40] |
asciilifeform | ^ re: linked article << 'embrace & extinguish' | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043090 <<< me is blown away at kakobrekla's immense fan expertise. | [21:41] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 19:46:13; kakobrekla: heres a few of the more interesting pwm ones; http://shrani.si/f/3M/2d/4N2Jzpz2/profiles.png | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yeah, that entire "oh, let's use someone else's stuff because it's stuff and why not" thing is dead. | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | they have shat the stick, so to speak. no further usage of anything unless it's in the wot. | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | 'free cheese is found in mousetraps' | [21:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.03812376 = 3.2405 BTC [-] {5} | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | there's no such thing as "not evil" us corps. | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | there are also impotent, and also dead ones | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | as americans used to say 'good indians are in the cemetary' | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark. | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | it's rather like those kids in ru who make a hobby of collecting mementoes from old battlefields | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | will make "get big fast" fucking impossible to get revenue on, because all the customers you want are not going by marketing. | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | every so often, 'oooh coool',... 'bang' | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | if you aren't a sapper - find another hobby | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever. | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | but... them's the breaks. | [21:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 116 @ 0.012 = 1.392 BTC [-] | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043133 << wut ?! ozone is pretty much the number 1 reducer of organic matter. | [21:46] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 20:32:25; jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess. | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | dumbass epa. from the link : | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | "The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs (see - "Ozone and Your Health")." | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | oxidizer not reducer | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | obviously, the reference is broken, because "We recently updated AIRNow.gov". and apparently they think this is how you say "we've recently brokenb airnow.gov" | [21:48] |
asciilifeform | unless 'reducer' was meant in the ordinary, rather than chemist's, sense | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | i am certainly not taking any advice from these morons. | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform ordinary. makes them shorter. | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | the smelly parts are particularly susceptible, incidentally. both aromatics and sulphide types. | [21:48] |
asciilifeform | the linked crap has the basic idea, ozone works as well on the meat as on whatever you're fumigating against | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | don't sit and be gassed when fumigating. | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the idea is to treat air with ozone in an ozone trap. | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | not to pump ozone into the atmosphere. | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | the linked thing was about machines that do precisely the latter | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | commonly sold in gringolandia as cure-alls | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | yes well, the epa idiocy was not finding the room, among very usefully distinctive verbiage like "Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone.", to specify this | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying" | [21:50] |
asciilifeform | if somebody wants to dig up the warning from 1920s (mentioned briefly in the modern usg one) would be interesting to read. | [21:51] |
asciilifeform | and almost certainly shorter | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | tbh, i don't know there exists material more intellectually objectionable than the shit pouring out of the usg. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | reminds me of the damned soviets. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | "USG - Army Of One, And They're All Retarded" | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | they didn't have cut&paste | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | modern usg has many advantages in bullshit production over predecessors | [21:52] |
mircea_popescu | all but a working head. | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | (the soviets also didn't have microshit 'word', which helps illiterates to play-pretend by turning them into a kind of cyborg meat-assisted shannonizer) | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | myeah. | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | they were stuck to formulaics instead. | [21:53] |
asciilifeform | the total intellectual load placed on chumps was considerably lighter | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | most folks with any kind of brain at all, just ignored the slogans when off the clock | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | biggest shared 'in joke' in the world | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | usa - no such luck | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh. | [21:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 833 @ 0.012 = 9.996 BTC [-] | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ? | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | he'll have to fucking walk on streets and talk to people and non-aspie shit like that. | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | he'd rather swallow a fistful of thumbtacks. | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea. | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | tis what it is. | [21:57] |
asciilifeform | thought it was more mundane mechanism, where you absolutely must have elint for totalitarian control of the english world, where stoolie culture was not already well developed | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | we got slutmint and yekutzky can go on writing about what gangrene said to liberty valance or w/e. | [21:58] |
asciilifeform | (and at any rate feels too much like work) | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem. | [21:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23299 @ 0.0003713 = 8.6509 BTC [-] {3} | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do. | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean "it doesn't work" ? this presumes an alt-universe in which there are alternatives, so things could not work. the world they inhabit knows no such thing, and so... of course it works. | [22:00] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: or they were trying to solve a different problem: | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | say, actually have every table and chair with microphone that sets off alarms if someone mutters a dissenting thought under his breath | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | no more festering resentment, as in soviet times | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | not that this is actually possible, necessarily, but -thinkable- | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | and that's enough for the buggers | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | that it's... thinkable. | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | your first doesn't lead to your second, so which do i admit, the first or the sercond ? | [22:02] |
asciilifeform | they want to solve the problem of turning man into livestock | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | that's a generous problem to solve, seeing how the part that'll ever get solved was never not solved, and the rest isn't happening. | [22:03] |
asciilifeform | didn't say it would happen, but the allure is irresistible to them | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | nonsense. | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | you're looking at a cat and seeing love. it's just a cat. | [22:04] |
asciilifeform | it's a hungry leopard | [22:04] |
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asciilifeform | and 'loves' the delicious flesh. | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | only if you're chicklet sized. | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc. | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | it's the exact equivalent of german kids that are "anti nazi". orly ? | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | a tad late for that show. | [22:05] |
asciilifeform | thinking of the still-living flesh now, not the gangrenous | [22:06] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043158 <<< plenty. | [22:06] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 21:01:23; mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right? | [22:07] |
asciilifeform | nsa, the fed, the nameless ones (tm), et al - are not run by the pheminist antinazi wtf crowd. | [22:07] |
mike_c | but the coins are moving. how does that work? | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043160 << the basis is that they made some claims, about selling coins, and then failed to deliver on the coiuns they alleged to sell. | [22:07] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:00; mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis. | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | this is exactly identical to bfl delivering miners, with USMS playing the role of inaba. | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | coins move all the time. | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the onus is not on observers to explain the usg. the usg made some claims, which were in due time proven false. | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | which they ignored. | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | sure, it's "not been 100% proven as a scam". this however isn't the criteria. you lie, you get caught, you're fucked. | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043164 << emphatically no. | [22:12] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question? | [22:12] |
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cazalla | clinton ran own mail server, who knew lol http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | the blockchain is not an evidentiary record for third parties. | [22:12] |
assbot | House committee subpoenas Clinton emails in Benghazi probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmZ0yC ) | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | "The development on Capitol Hill came the same day The Associated Press reported the existence of a personal email server traced back to the Chappaqua, New York, home of Clinton. The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton — who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign — significant control over limiting access to her message archives." | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | derp. emails still travel in plaintext, and this is the sigint we get ? | [22:13] |
asciilifeform | exactly the same way btc tx travels in plaintext | [22:14] |
asciilifeform | clinton, etc. don't expect to lose anything if it gets out | [22:14] |
asciilifeform | because, to the extent is valuable - nonattributable | [22:14] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps. | [22:14] |
asciilifeform | if tomorrow we get a 'leaked' clinton email where clitler reveals that she is medusa and can kill with headsnakes - what will change ? | [22:14] |
pete_dushenski | asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? | [22:15] |
pete_dushenski | or is doesn't matter what she claims ? | [22:15] |
asciilifeform | 'respectable' mouthpieces won't touch the subject | [22:15] |
asciilifeform | it'll be like the 9/11 crap. | [22:15] |
asciilifeform | 'xxxxx.' 'you're a nutter, go away' | [22:16] |
pete_dushenski | well, clinton isn't the wtc | [22:16] |
pete_dushenski | far from it. | [22:16] |
pete_dushenski | she's a distraction at best and a fallguy at worst | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043230 << yeah srsly, etrade is iirc 30 | [22:17] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 21:40:01; mike_c: $5 / month is rich? | [22:17] |
pete_dushenski | but hey, let's see her run and find out | [22:17] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it's rich if it's denominated in plutonium! | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | she's definitely the more intellectually capable husk they got floating around. who else, jeb, bush's retarded brother/cousin/sister in law ? | [22:18] |
asciilifeform | don't forget the other obama | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | the other obama is not really qualified to run kim's shoe boutique. | [22:19] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu i seem to recall you saying something to the effect of 'old women in power are the fucking worst' | [22:19] |
pete_dushenski | is hillary exempt from this ? | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski not my country, whadda i care. she's still the only not braidamaged runner so far. | [22:20] |
ben_vulpes |
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pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu except she's not running... yet. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. right. | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: point was that these folks live in a perverse sandbox world where it literally doesn't matter what happens | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. | [22:21] |
pete_dushenski | asciilifeform 'the show must go on!' | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | as orlov pointed out | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | they don't care if they win a war, lose a war, here&there | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | it's a very long road (or so they think) to hitler's bunker and 'headsoff.com' being filmed on washington streets | [22:22] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu repblicans don't exactly 'have alternative', much less plural | [22:22] |
pete_dushenski | mircea_popescu and i'd still bet a nickel on the republicans | [22:23] |
pete_dushenski | dems might take even longer shot because ya, doesn't much matter. | [22:23] |
cazalla | pete_dushenski, pretty sure she can't announce nomination until such and such a date.. part of what made the bitbet bet's that clinton and rand would announce last year an easy win | [22:24] |
pete_dushenski | might as well make an interesting ballot pairing of two people noone has ever heard of | [22:24] |
ben_vulpes | [22:24] | |
pete_dushenski | cazalla aha | [22:24] |
pete_dushenski | ben_vulpes lol when she's 80 | [22:24] |
ben_vulpes | pete_dushenski: srs | [22:24] |
ben_vulpes | 76, but whatever. | [22:25] |
ben_vulpes | 77? | [22:25] |
ben_vulpes | 42! | [22:25] |
pete_dushenski | that's the secret | [22:25] |
ben_vulpes | answer. | [22:25] |
pete_dushenski | kinda like 'where's osama's body?' | [22:27] |
pete_dushenski | actually, osama's body is much like these usms auctions | [22:27] |
pete_dushenski | many promises, only hollywood 'evidence' | [22:28] |
pete_dushenski | 'we made a movie and it won an oscar so history happened!' | [22:28] |
* | adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions | [22:28] |
asciilifeform | or the body | [22:28] |
asciilifeform | (does each u.s. citizen get a small piece?) | [22:28] |
pete_dushenski | to taste, yes | [22:29] |
pete_dushenski | like the wooly mammoth | [22:29] |
pete_dushenski | and since osama is basically the usg's religious messiah, come to save it from internal destruction by providing an external enemy, why not make a whole church service around him | [22:30] |
pete_dushenski | offering up his 'body and blood' | [22:30] |
pete_dushenski | adlai 'the winner' getting out of dodge and never looking back would do. | [22:36] |
pete_dushenski | otherwise, wtf is wrong with their heads. | [22:36] |
pete_dushenski | so barring that much braindamage in a single vessle, we should see silbert or whoever packing their bags for rio de janeiro | [22:37] |
adlai | it's a problem, the people who frequent such yardsales probably like hanging around the yard | [22:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7868 @ 0.00036272 = 2.8539 BTC [+] {2} | [22:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25732 @ 0.00038164 = 9.8204 BTC [+] {2} | [22:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7968 @ 0.00038297 = 3.0515 BTC [+] | [22:54] |
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asciilifeform | for some reason nobody mentioned the ugliest thing about ada | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | the 200k helloworld. | [23:01] |
danielpbarron | i ordered that "bible" you mentioned | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | pragma No_Run_Time; | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | with Interfaces.C; use Interfaces.C; | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | procedure Hello is | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | procedure Puts (Str : Char_Array); | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | pragma Import (C, Puts, "puts"); | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | begin | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | Puts ("Hello, World!"); | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | end Hello; | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | ^ 6k on my box | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | but you can see how this cheats. | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | (both numbers refer to stripped elf's on an x86-64 box) | [23:02] |
mats | i managed to make ~60% ROI in the 13 months ive had a coinbr account | [23:03] |
mats | thanks jurov | [23:03] |
asciilifeform | danielpbarron: you will have a real bitch of a time learning the language from the standard and justification docs, if that's what you were thinking of doing | [23:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00040988 = 1.9145 BTC [+] | [23:03] |
danielpbarron | not sure what i was thinking except that i like the chapter:verse thing | [23:04] |
danielpbarron | sounds like the book is timeless or something / probably a good investment | [23:05] |
asciilifeform | all serious technical docs 'written for the ages' ought to be in that format. | [23:05] |
danielpbarron | mats, was 60% enough to make up for the drop in USD/BTC price? | [23:05] |
danielpbarron | i found a used one for 60 USD (the new is twice that) and impulsively added it to another order i had pending | [23:06] |
mats | no, i bought a majority of it at 800 BTCUSD | [23:07] |
asciilifeform | danielpbarron: make sure it describes at least the '95' variant | [23:07] |
asciilifeform | at the earliest | [23:07] |
danielpbarron | mats, so your "gains" were really just you helping out the fiat traders / at least it beat buying bitcoin and doing nothing with it | [23:08] |
danielpbarron | asciilifeform, i searched for the code you mentioned in here, and yeah it says 95 in the title or whatever | [23:08] |
asciilifeform | danielpbarron: there are four adas - 83, 95, 2005, 2012 | [23:09] |
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mats | yes, thats the downside to having imperfect information | [23:09] |
danielpbarron | asciilifeform, http://www.amazon.com/dp/3540693351/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_asp_tErxI.1VXP299 | [23:09] |
assbot | Amazon.com: Ada 2005 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/1995(E) with Technical Corrigendum 1 and Amendment 1 ... / Programming and Software Engineering) (9783540693352): S. Tucker Taft, Robert A. Duff, Randall L. Brukardt, Erhard Ploedereder, Pasca ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdeOgX ) | [23:09] |
danielpbarron | ah apparently i got the 2005 one | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | get the 'rationale' too | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | that's the one with chapter & verse | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | or rather, they both have it | [23:10] |
* | assbot gives voice to decimation | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | but error messages (in verbose mode) cite rationale, iirc | [23:10] |
decimation | aren't those all published on the internet? | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | decimation: they are | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | i assumed he likes dead tree | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | http://comp.lang.ada.narkive.com/vnn86krY/size-of-linked-program-increasing-with-new-version-of-gnat << mega-flamew4r | [23:12] |
assbot | Size of linked program increasing with new version of GNAT. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdfkvo ) | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043281 << it's actually how brokerages work irl. | [23:15] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 21:51:43; jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | [23:16] | |
mircea_popescu | it's plain obvious she's the democrat candidate. | [23:16] |
decimation | asciilifeform: the wisdom I've picked up from my own experiments and reading about yours is that it seems the ada compiler you choose is critical | [23:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6218 @ 0.00040946 = 2.546 BTC [-] | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | "18* adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions" << complete misstatement of the situaiton. read the logs. search for "foia" might help | [23:17] |
asciilifeform | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YrA1zuD2 << fucking scammerz | [23:17] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdgozi ) | [23:17] |
* | mircea_popescu is mildly offended at this "i will persist in being a redditard" attitude, for the record. | [23:18] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i tested on both available compilers, the foundation's and the gnu | [23:18] |
asciilifeform | decimation: same result | [23:18] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i did not test on any closed-source compiler because they don't exist on the planet i choose to live on | [23:18] |
thestringpuller | why is everyone complaining about ada | [23:18] |
thestringpuller | 2 beers in and a few exercises this is not bad .jpeg | [23:19] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: because there is not actually an alternative to ada | [23:19] |
asciilifeform | and i think i'm the only one actually talking about it, for the most part | [23:19] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: you have reignited my love for computers again | [23:19] |
thestringpuller | despite your pessimism :D | [23:20] |
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* | asciilifeform wonders how | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | fun fact : elf does not contain a windows byte. netbsd, linux, system v etc. | [23:20] |
asciilifeform | why would it ? | [23:21] |
asciilifeform | microshit wasn't at the table | [23:21] |
asciilifeform | which is as it ought to be | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | not saying it should, merely pointing it out :D | [23:21] |
decimation | wasn't it well known that microsoft stole the bsd IP stack for windows NT? | [23:23] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: i love old microshit tho. found a copy of 3d studio R1 from 1990, and it runs on ms dos | [23:23] |
thestringpuller | it's slightly poetic. | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: what's that got to do with microshit? | [23:23] |
thestringpuller | TRON style i 'spose | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | lol mats made 60% bringing his losses to only 60%. | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | '3d studio' was an 'autodesk' product | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | ran in protected mode, too, using no actual msdos api | [23:23] |
thestringpuller | that runs on microshit dos | [23:23] |
thestringpuller | lol | [23:23] |
* | asciilifeform spent what must have been a whole year playing with it as a kid | [23:24] |
thestringpuller | i can't bring myself to hate on DOS | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: dos was not, properly speaking, a microshit product | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | stolen. | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | unlike which ? | [23:24] |
decimation | yeah it was a stolen reimplemenation of cp/m as i recall | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much | [23:25] |
thestringpuller | i thought even windows and nt were "stolen" | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043293 << for the exact reason george costanza once pointed out. "it's there" | [23:25] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 22:00:28; asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab) | [23:25] |
adlai | !s foia | [23:26] |
assbot | 40 results for 'foia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=foia | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043306 << ahahaha zing | [23:26] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 22:06:11; mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence. | [23:27] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bdii30 ) | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | if one is willing to take this tack, i wonder why one's not going the whole nine yards and throwing out the keyboard. | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | "I JUST WANT THE COMPUTER TO FUCKING WORK!!!1" | [23:27] |
decimation | mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | the entire "i want government to just work by itself and let me to my affairs" has worked splendidly in the us, 70s to 2000s. | [23:29] |
decimation | apparently jwz wants to live in the past | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to. | [23:29] |
decimation | in exchange for nothing, mind | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | the crowning nonsense of all nonsense, seriously. why is it not obvious that if you give up agency you also give up... agency ? | [23:29] |
adlai | he seems to want free tech support | [23:29] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: this ancient fallacy has a name: 'dwim' | [23:30] |
adlai | asciilifeform: are you familiar with dwimlisp? | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [23:30] |
asciilifeform | adlai: aha | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | http://dwimperl.com/ | [23:31] |
assbot | DWIM Perl - the Perl distribution that contains everything you'll ever need ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdjdAo ) | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | since im in a ftr mood apparently. | [23:31] |
asciilifeform | dwim is the shortest possible summary of how illiterate folks imagine programming | [23:32] |
asciilifeform | or engineering in general | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | !s babbage | [23:32] |
assbot | 6 results for 'babbage' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=babbage | [23:32] |
asciilifeform | 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' | [23:32] |
decimation | apparently jwz's main business is running a club now | [23:32] |
asciilifeform | decimation: that's where he parked his 'escape rocket' | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over. | [23:33] |
adlai | (for the curious/brave - http://dwim.hu (requires javascript and much searching as it's impossible to link into this 'website')) | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | i have always had a mild dislike for jwz and was never able to articulate why | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform why ? | [23:33] |
decimation | asciilifeform: he strikes me as a washed-up do-o-crat | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | iirc he started out as a lisp hacker. | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | possibly because only fact i knew about him was him being involved in the dotcom bubble and being responsible for the steaming crock of shit that is netscape, and, by implication, the entire shit soup of www standards | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | uh. | [23:34] |
adlai | he forked xemacs from gnu | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: almost all american programmers of a certain age once wrote lisp of some description | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | the www soup is scarcely to be pinned on one man, and if one man were to be found it's likely not this one. | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | getting rich off netscape feels vaguely unsavoury in my book | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [23:34] |
adlai | jws was an employee at netscape | [23:35] |
adlai | rather junior one | [23:35] |
decimation | well, for one thing they stole mosaic | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | anyway, not really pissing on the man in earnest here | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | just confessing that my overall burning hatred for the time, place, and culture in which he became rich & famous spills onto him. | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | i liked the 90s! | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | i may even go so far as to say i liked the 90s sv o.O | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | if i were to learn that he made his nightclub seed money by executing contract hits, rather than at netscape, i'd like him considerably more | [23:36] |
adlai | he did piss off stallman | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043311 << "moving the market", in professional language "slippage" is not a desirable phenomenon but the bane of all existance. | [23:37] |
assbot | Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i'm sure the denizens liked it also. but as al said, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' we're living with the results of '90s sv. | [23:37] |
decimation | adlai: it's probably impossible to do something positive to emacs without pissing off stallman | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: that's somewhat like saying that 'engineers hate friction' | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | or anything else for that matter. | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | not exactly false, but no mechanical device would function if friction did not exist | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform slippage is not friction, slippage is your lab getting hit by earthquakes. | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | but what if the lab is not a lab, but a bomb whose entire purpose is to trigger earthquake | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | "how the fuck am i supposed to do any scioence in here!111" | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | that is the EXACT feeling it evokes in financeheads. | [23:38] |
adlai | i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape) | [23:39] |
* | asciilifeform is not aware of any successful instances of 'moving market', other than brute affairs like buterin's waterfall or the earlier and better-known gold price suppression scheme | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | netscape is a fine example. | [23:39] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: buterin's waterfall is leaky tho. | [23:40] |
adlai | asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday | [23:41] |
assbot | Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdkVBV ) | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway. | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [23:41] |
decimation | moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy, | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | generally a very poorly implemented one | [23:41] |
thestringpuller | i would love to be taxed at 7% | [23:42] |
thestringpuller | my God what country is that?!? | [23:42] |
danielpbarron | a sim city still set to defaults | [23:42] |
trinque | !b 3 | [23:43] |
assbot | Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NED0VT.txt ) | [23:43] |
thestringpuller | danielpbarron is my all time favorite person now | [23:43] |
thestringpuller | the funny thing is | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: what country << generally, the 'orc world' where laws aren't actually enforced unless you piss people off | [23:43] |
thestringpuller | that if 7% is still too high for high wealth sims | [23:43] |
thestringpuller | like seriously, high wealth sims are only happy at like 4% | [23:43] |
thestringpuller | your cities fill up with poor people >7% | [23:44] |
danielpbarron | i could never get everyone happy even when i used to glitch to get "MAXINT" currency units | [23:44] |
thestringpuller | keep typing FUNDS. QE infinity. | [23:45] |
decimation | http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html > "And there have always been voices to let market signals determine how farmers planted their crops. Don't make people grow cotton just to maintain their base acres in the cotton program, when the world is crying out for more soybeans to feed itself." | [23:45] |
assbot | " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdlQT2 ) | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | where i live, 40% is considered pretty good. | [23:45] |
thestringpuller | this is how I imagined QE though, some d00d at Fed typing "FUNDS FUNDS FUNDS" over again on his computer. | [23:45] |
decimation | asciilifeform: that's not even counting the fact that usd in your 'savings' account is continually thieved | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | decimation: aha | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | speaking just of old-fashioned taxes | [23:45] |
thestringpuller | 401k is a scam | [23:45] |
thestringpuller | and enron ruined pensions for everyone | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | good thing i don't expect to live to pension age | [23:46] |
decimation | I was just looking at the 'mid-cap value' fund from vanguard | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | (nor, in general, should other u.s. folks, unless they're already very old) | [23:46] |
decimation | the 'value' forward p/e was 30! | [23:46] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform that is depressing! | [23:46] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what are you gonna do? withdraw your retirement with penalty and move to mexico? | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | decimation: what made you think i have anything to withdraw ? | [23:47] |
decimation | asciilifeform: surely you get paid a little extra | [23:48] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform contribute 0 | [23:48] |
thestringpuller | per paycheck | [23:48] |
thestringpuller | instead his retirement is held in cyborgs and robots | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: i don't even work at a place where they ask the question any more | [23:48] |
thestringpuller | so you are pretty much robot worker? | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | ? | [23:49] |
thestringpuller | employer treats you like thing and not person | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | neh, sorta the opposite | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | but contractor | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | these get paid in money | [23:49] |
trinque | asciilifeform: even the fall of the soviet union didn't kill off all the former soviets | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | (what passes for money in this part of the world) | [23:49] |
trinque | what do you think is going to kill us off? | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply | [23:50] |
trinque | k | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | trinque: know that no one in the ussr needed to pay rent | [23:50] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: hey you're the one who can't spend benjies without setting off alarms. | [23:50] |
thestringpuller | i'm doing just fine with my duffelbag full of cash here. | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | trinque: (a token sum was collected, but no one could be evicted for any reason short of death or having new digs in prison) | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: i don't get paid in benjies | [23:50] |
thestringpuller | my employer said this is totally normal tho! | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: but, like most folks in my profession, in 'legit' electric bzollarz | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | for a 'legit' firm, that keeps a single set of books and files taxes, etc | [23:51] |
thestringpuller | that 1099 | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | aha | [23:52] |
decimation | asciilifeform: http://www.zillow.com/blog/rents-up-not-where-you-expect-170427/ < rents in the us are nearly 10% YoY in some cities | [23:52] |
assbot | Rents Are Up, and Not Where You Might Expect | Zillow Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nnjffr ) | [23:52] |
* | asciilifeform is aware that we're probably boring the folks outside the u.s. zoolag to tears | [23:52] |
thestringpuller | so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching" | [23:52] |
thestringpuller | d00d would just sell high end weed, and claim it as "consulting services" and would tax that | [23:52] |
thestringpuller | ended up retiring before 40 | [23:53] |
trinque | sure, "computer repair" | [23:53] |
* | pete_dushenski has quit () | [23:53] |
thestringpuller | d00d even made invoices for his recurring clientelle | [23:53] |
thestringpuller | pretty sure no one went to jail | [23:53] |
trinque | yeah, I'm referring to a former friend of mine | [23:53] |
trinque | "on site computer repair" bullshit | [23:54] |
asciilifeform | laundries are as old as the state itself | [23:54] |
thestringpuller | you can still go to jail for tax evasion | [23:54] |
thestringpuller | US just wants their cut (not like it helps since we are bankrupt) | [23:55] |
* | PeterL (~peterl@unaffiliated/peterl) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:55] |
trinque | well... "bankrupt" | [23:55] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, you will not necessarily go to jail - but the duffel bag - will. | [23:55] |
asciilifeform | if ever 'caught' | [23:55] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: i kno rite?!? | [23:55] |
thestringpuller | so there is new drug unit in west georgia now | [23:56] |
thestringpuller | soul purpose is collecting those duffelbags | [23:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5029 @ 0.00040988 = 2.0613 BTC [+] | [23:56] |
* | assbot gives voice to PeterL | [23:56] |
thestringpuller | in fact it is richest police unit in that county | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | wait till they switch from plain static robbery to racket | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | as always happens in a collapsing police state | [23:57] |
thestringpuller | http://www.sheriff.douglas.ga.us/find.html << it is more of racket now me thinks | [23:57] |
thestringpuller | the "evidence" is probably auctioned off under the table somewhere | [23:57] |
thestringpuller | "The F.I.N.D. Unit has made forty-eight (48) traffic stops that resulted in the detection of bulk cash smugglers." | [23:58] |
thestringpuller | "The total amount of United States Currency seized from the stops is: $13,647,160" << they just want new toys | [23:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00040519 = 5.9563 BTC [-] {2} | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | https://github.com/search?q=gnatelim&type=Code << who can find anything there which isn't a) word salad or b) part of gcc ? | [23:59] |
assbot | Search · gnatelim · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NnkATM ) | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | has gnatelim -ever- been fired in anger? | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | by anyone ? | [23:59] |
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