Forum logs for 05 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo USia's hotness this past decade has been taking M-14's and converting to "designated marksmen rifles" [00:00]
BingoBoingo M-14's original service life of course having been... lacking [00:00]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: correct if i've my dod-speak mixed up, but 'designated marksman' is not a sniper - he engages only within visual contact distance [00:00]
asciilifeform (naked eye) [00:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes. His range extends to visual past what assualt rifle can not reliably hit fatally, but still visual [00:01]
asciilifeform the term, iirc, refers to the one man in a platoon who was actually taught any marksmanship and is expected to aim [00:01]
asciilifeform the rest 'hosedown' [00:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Russian equivalent for role is Dragunov [00:01]
BingoBoingo tool, not person [00:02]
asciilifeform by some accounts, ^ has a barrel resource of 800 (!) rounds [00:02]
asciilifeform enlarged ak-like thing that takes mosin rounds [00:03]
BingoBoingo Basic requirements for such tool are full power rifle round and semi auto action [00:03]
BingoBoingo [00:03]
assbot Dragunov sniper rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [00:04]
BingoBoingo In contemporary USian deployments designated marksmen carries M-14 with a plastic stock and has specialization like the machine gunner [00:05]
BingoBoingo Mosin's great virtue for USian civilian is that it costs roughly 1/10th anything equivalent from domestic manufacterer [00:10]
asciilifeform does any u.s. arms co. even offer anything without plastic, aluminum, or worse ? [00:11]
asciilifeform as in, anywhere in the thing [00:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure for 4 digit numer of USD [00:11]
asciilifeform probably 5 [00:11]
asciilifeform (iirc all the m-whatever things are Al but for the barrel) [00:12]
BingoBoingo Nah, 5 exists, 4 though is the sweet spot. [00:12]
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mircea_popescu what's wrong with al. [00:16]
mircea_popescu properly alloyed it does beat steel. [00:16]
asciilifeform iirc we had the 'can you club with it' thread [00:16]
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BingoBoingo ;;google M1A [00:18]
gribble M1A™ Tactical Rifle | Top Semi Automatic Firearms | Buy M1A: ; M1A rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; M1A for Sale - Buy Springfield M1A Rifle Online at [00:18]
BingoBoingo ^ civilian version of M-14 conversion [00:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 400 @ 0.0045519 = 1.8208 BTC [+] {2} [00:21]
* asciilifeform struggles to recall the traditional term for the kind of technowankery where folks buy 'pro' tools without any place to use or relevant skill [00:21]
asciilifeform 'prosumer' ? [00:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes. For me it was called "Freshman Year" [00:21]
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asciilifeform 'According to neighbors and a man who hired the teen to write for his Web site, the Osbourn Park student was quiet in person but exceptionally intelligent — authoring articles on complicated science and technology topics.' (wa. p.) << mega-l0l [00:24]
asciilifeform if this is 'intelligent', what's retardation look like ? [00:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: << Actual retardation from a subhuman creature that pretends to the title of mammal [00:25]
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assbot Scott Fargo, Author at CryptoCoinsNews ... ( ) [00:25]
asciilifeform << another l0l [00:26]
assbot Etsy Files for Handcrafted IPO - TIME ... ( ) [00:26]
asciilifeform handcrafted! (tm) [00:26]
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asciilifeform 'A few years ago, Etsy lifted some of its stricter sales requirements, including a ban on sellers using certain manufacturing techniques and hiring staff...' [00:26]
asciilifeform woodcollector! [00:26]
decimation re: no recourse mortgages < banks hate these, but you can get them [00:26]
decimation one semi-popular scam to run in the us is to buy a house with your "IRA" [00:27]
asciilifeform decimation: presumably for considerably higher upfront cost [00:27]
decimation aye [00:27]
asciilifeform or who the hell would get the other kind [00:27]
decimation well, functionally in the us nearly all mortgages are 30 year fixed loans [00:27]
decimation who nobody purchases except for usg [00:27]
decimation it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly [00:28]
BingoBoingo If fiat world could have played nicely, I'd happily be retired in a condo in an "interesting" neighborhood by now, but... [00:28]
decimation at any rate, you can purchase a house with your retirement account, and a no-recourse mortgage is used for that [00:28]
decimation the irs says you can't live in it until you retire, but you can rent it out [00:29]
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BingoBoingo !up jitenm [00:29]
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decimation there's a small cottage industry > [00:29]
assbot Self Directed IRA Non-Recourse Loans: Contact NASB Today! ... ( ) [00:29]
BingoBoingo Hello jitenm [00:29]
jitenm howdy folkses [00:29]
BingoBoingo Not bad [00:30]
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BingoBoingo [00:35]
assbot /Radomysisky /3DPConfidential The guy likened you to a rapist simply because you speak with passion on the topic of politics and technology. [00:35]
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mircea_popescu !up Liberza [00:37]
-assbot- You voiced Liberza for 30 minutes. [00:37]
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Liberza !down syndrome [00:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: who is 3DPConfidential ? [00:38]
asciilifeform and who is Radomysisky [00:38]
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mircea_popescu it's all a game of who can pass the liability to usg the most directly <<< quite. [00:39]
mircea_popescu !up HubertCumberdale [00:39]
-assbot- You voiced HubertCumberdale for 30 minutes. [00:39]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have no Idea [00:40]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [00:40]
mircea_popescu isn't cody wilson the guy with that blog, what was it called [00:40]
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mircea_popescu ;;google cody wilson [00:40]
gribble No matches found. [00:40]
mircea_popescu hm. [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: '3d printed gun' fella [00:40]
mircea_popescu oh oh [00:40]
asciilifeform who the others are - no idea [00:40]
BingoBoingo ;;google cody wilson [00:40]
gribble Cody Wilson: "The Bitcoin Community Has Sold Out" | ; Stripe Breaks Up With Cody Wilson | ; Cody R Wilson Announces Candidacy for Vessenes' Bitcoin ...: [00:40]
asciilifeform '...We have plenty of assassination markets now...' << lol, he said this?! [00:42]
asciilifeform does 'market' mean something other than it did when i learned engl.? [00:42]
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asciilifeform i.e., it no longer means 'where you go to trade money for $goodies' but just 'place you go to dump excess money' [00:43]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Market means the same. At best I assume Cody is an agent... [00:43]
mircea_popescu lol bitcoin community has sold out. [00:44]
mircea_popescu whai such much lulz everywhere today! [00:44]
asciilifeform agent must have a purpose [00:44]
asciilifeform what kind of 'sin' is he meant to tempt 'sinners' into? [00:44]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [00:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I suspect is is merely a broad net to collect information on malcontents [00:45]
mircea_popescu not every derpage's agency. [00:45]
asciilifeform one could make two or three mental leaps and suppose that his work is for getting ammo banned by usg quicker [00:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe not, but having your product obstructed by every domestic shipping company... maybe? [00:46]
asciilifeform or at the very least, to provide the justification-furniture when the bans are rolled out [00:46]
BingoBoingo Indicator, maybe not a perfect one [00:46]
mircea_popescu tbh, that is the only logical end game : US of Best Korea, where everything is banned not because they can't afford anything, but for Ideological Reasons. Honest. [00:47]
mircea_popescu i used to know poor people like that. all the things they couldn't afford, they didn't do not because they couldn't afford them [00:47]
mircea_popescu but for Other Reasons. [00:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we already have this. in slow motion [00:47]
mircea_popescu pretty much yeh [00:47]
Liberza so, asicminer is dead because friedcat has been kidnapped by mongolians. [00:48]
Liberza interesting [00:48]
mircea_popescu so basically... either water the plantville farm all day, or else go talk to tlp's intensive pilling unit, or worse! [00:48]
mircea_popescu Liberza is this cnn ? [00:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes: incidentally, bullet would be a perfect 'killer app' for electrolytic machining. low mass, touchy geometry [00:48]
mircea_popescu this is a good point. [00:49]
mircea_popescu also perfectly metallic. [00:49]
asciilifeform aha [00:49]
mircea_popescu yeah, this is happening. [00:49]
asciilifeform ditto shell [00:49]
mircea_popescu yup [00:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Only if electrolytic machining apparatus is refined. Otherwise plastermolds [00:49]
mircea_popescu mebbe electrolytic finishing. [00:49]
mircea_popescu have them machined grossly then electrofined. [00:49]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this needs only the most trivial form of electrolytic machining - with ready-made cavity [00:50]
Vexual build the spin in [00:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: have them machined grossly then electrofined << nonono - whole point is to make'em in a cup in kitchen, jungle conditions [00:51]
mircea_popescu does this cup mine copper ? [00:51]
asciilifeform the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' [00:51]
asciilifeform copper can be had virtually anywhere short of antarctica [00:51]
asciilifeform in one form or another [00:52]
mircea_popescu can be had, how ? [00:52]
mircea_popescu as bars ? why not be had as "X profile" [00:52]
mircea_popescu where X is gross machined bullet. [00:52]
asciilifeform as pipes [00:52]
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mircea_popescu oh i c what you mean. [00:52]
asciilifeform a metre of pipe - 500 rounds [00:52]
mircea_popescu lol alf's crazy gnome lab. "insert pipe here, piss in this funnel and point this end towards enemy". [00:53]
Vexual yeah and he claims hes not a hipster [00:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, you ever seen la zizanie ? [00:53]
asciilifeform nein [00:53]
mircea_popescu excellent antique french movie. [00:53]
mircea_popescu listen, do this : pirate it, sit the girl down one fine evening after a delicious repast, watch this thing. [00:53]
mircea_popescu guaranteed entertainment . [00:54]
* asciilifeform found, puts on list [00:54]
asciilifeform definitely relevant [00:54]
mircea_popescu if there's a way to show the cultural superiority of the 4th republic, this film in this context is it. [00:54]
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asciilifeform briefly back to the bullet thread: the most interesting thing about the suggested method is that any material can be used, so long as it conducts and behaves reasonably well as aqueous ion [00:55]
asciilifeform even, e.g., tungsten [00:55]
asciilifeform whatever's at hand [00:55]
mircea_popescu depleted uranium! [00:55]
mircea_popescu best fucking bullets, srsly. no one lives. [00:56]
asciilifeform if that's what's in your cellar - then yes [00:56]
mircea_popescu metallic arsenic bullets. an assassin's dream come true [00:56]
asciilifeform (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) [00:56]
asciilifeform keels, aileron counterweights [00:56]
mircea_popescu for that matter : sodium bullets encased in very thin metal : just thick enough to carry it through the air. once it fractures on impact, sodium released. [00:57]
asciilifeform the 'glass bullet' is as nearly as old as the detective story genre. [00:57]
mircea_popescu aye [00:57]
BingoBoingo Rubidium [00:57]
asciilifeform (not much seen in reality, due to shockwaves, but doesn't keep aficionados from trying) [00:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform such trials particularly suited to electroprocess. [00:58]
asciilifeform aha [00:58]
mircea_popescu breathe new life into an entire literary field! [00:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> (who has du in his cellar? anyone with a boat or airplane graveyard) << Anyone in Iowa has too much [00:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: would need a sabot [00:59]
asciilifeform then will work. [00:59]
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asciilifeform bonus points for the bullet exercise if you can dispense with the 'mold' entirely and form the conical part purely with field gradient in the bath [01:01]
asciilifeform out of ordinary rod stock [01:01]
asciilifeform sorta a 'solid state electric lathe.' [01:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform got a link to where you go "omg wtf bbq am i the only one trying to run these shitstacks" [01:03]
mircea_popescu in teh logs [01:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: [01:03]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 04:11:00; assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it [01:03]
asciilifeform ^ most recently [01:03]
mircea_popescu ty [01:03]
mircea_popescu i'm making a sjsqd megapiece, it's great that convo. [01:04]
asciilifeform to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious [01:04]
asciilifeform because much simpler even than what they do [01:04]
asciilifeform no need for computer, even. [01:04]
asciilifeform '3d printer', for those unfamiliar, is a very costly item. i don't even keep one here, can't justify [01:05]
decimation re: wilson < it strikes me that he's just trying to get publicity [01:05]
asciilifeform the ultimate publicity is when your shit - works [01:05]
decimation he recently posted that fedex banned shipping his 3d milling machines [01:05]
decimation obviously, he's selling them as 'death in a box' [01:06]
decimation instead of '3d milling machine' [01:06]
asciilifeform fedex is, afaik, free to boycott whoever [01:06]
asciilifeform it isn't the national post [01:06]
decimation sure. and whoever is free to make a press release about it [01:06]
decimation so I don't think he's serious. although the idea of milling your own 'm-4gery' out of an '80%' receiver is a neat one [01:07]
asciilifeform decimation: it's sop among u.s. small arms aficionados [01:07]
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asciilifeform decimation: they have this ancient law, where that one part is the only thing that 'counts' as a limited item, and the rest of the weapon can be bought with cash in a shop or even outdoor market [01:08]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, you can even buy the parts to turn your milled receiver into a pistol [01:08]
assbot Bushmaster - Carbon 15 Pistols ... ( ) [01:08]
decimation as fucktarded as that is [01:08]
asciilifeform see the 'saw-off' mosin earlier in thread [01:08]
asciilifeform poor ears [01:08]
decimation asciilifeform: one thing that bewilders me is why suppressors and subsonic ammo is not popular in the us [01:09]
decimation I guess going deaf at the range is an implied rite of manhood [01:09]
asciilifeform decimation: this might have to do with the fact that much of what u.s. folks take to the shooting galleries seems to exist for little purpose but to make an impressive 'bang' [01:09]
asciilifeform so the suppressors (sop in eu) were banned as something only a 'shady crook' would use [01:10]
decimation you can buy them in the us, if they are legal in your state and you submit many forms to usg [01:10]
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asciilifeform iirc they're limited to public servants or folks willing to license themselves as 'museums' (complete with fingerprinting, letters of recommendation from mayor, surprise inspections, ... etc) [01:11]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure what you agree to when you buy one but you definitely need a note from stalin [01:11]
decimation I suspect the real reason that usg makes it difficult is because a suppressed small arm has real utility against usg [01:12]
asciilifeform how? [01:13]
mircea_popescu rather than franceg, say ? [01:15]
decimation asciilifeform: the relatively silent firearm can be used to ambush and retreat? [01:17]
decimation mircea_popescu: didn't you make the point about how the guns we are allowed to keep are of little threat to usg anyway? [01:17]
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mircea_popescu decimation ambush like whom ? [01:18]
decimation well, I'm thinking of a more military scenario [01:21]
asciilifeform ACTION is an armchair general only, but doesn't see the military advantage of usg against subjects as consisting solely or even largely of superior small arms. what, rebel army won't break the law against modifying trigger of semi weapons to auto? rather, advantage of usg is same as in the time of hammurabi - soldiers are fed by the palace so they needn't 'waste' time on honest work; are resupplied so they needn't look for what [01:22]
decimation asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all [01:24]
asciilifeform or whatever $machine [01:24]
decimation asciilifeform: but I agree with your point. ultimately any resistance to usg is going to be economic [01:24]
asciilifeform picture if usg tomorrow said 'we don't care, go buy a cannon if you want, like it's 1780 again' [01:24]
asciilifeform how many will buy? [01:25]
asciilifeform usg still controls, de-facto, the factory, and can thus set price [01:25]
decimation particularly, as you have pointed out, the ammo factory [01:25]
asciilifeform by the time you have a desire to buy the cannon instead of 'toyota' - it's generally too late [01:25]
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asciilifeform << relevant thread [01:28]
assbot Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. [01:28]
decimation asciilifeform: pounding a wedge between usg and its ability print bezzlars is the proper route of resistance [01:30]
decimation that, and finding a way to mill bullets at home :) [01:30]
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decimation < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent." [01:45]
assbot ... ( ) [01:45]
decimation and the fed is worried about how inflation is too low [01:46]
mircea_popescu decimation i had made that point, yes, but the counterpositive is not necessarily true. [01:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the price thing is amusingly at work in all sorts of ATF stuff. [01:48]
mircea_popescu tons of things "legal if you have a license we aren't issuing because we're at liberty to do this." [01:48]
decimation some rich 'collectors' in the us obtain the proper notes to get fully automatic machine guns [01:49]
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decimation 50 cal rounds go for like $5 [01:50]
decimation as you can imagine, only the rich can have such a hobby [01:50]
mircea_popescu well, it's not rich per se. [01:51]
mircea_popescu only dependants. [01:51]
mircea_popescu the buffett-rich, the people who are not merely willing to go on the record stating "i am representative of richness, i couldn't exist outside of usg, therefore usg is EVERYTHING", but actually believe it. [01:51]
mircea_popescu lemme dig up relevant quote. [01:52]
decimation didn't Carnegie, Rockefeller, et. al. bail out us banks from their personal accounts? [01:53]
mircea_popescu "accounts' [01:54]
mircea_popescu the j p morgan bailout was essentially a "everyone come to my house!" and then "you will do like so because i say so" [01:54]
decimation yeah exactly [01:54]
decimation and crassus was said to have wealth equal to the treasury [01:55]
decimation now that's 'rich' [01:55]
mircea_popescu uh, treasury was never that rich. [01:55]
asciilifeform a case like these is simply historians misidentifying who is actually the fella wearing the crown [01:56]
mircea_popescu to properly grok how rich the triumvir was : he could afford to pay for ~18 million usians to go fight for tikrit. [01:56]
asciilifeform (whether by malfeasance or otherwise) [01:56]
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mircea_popescu the cost for the 20 measly thousand the dod scrounged together (and who faced exactly the fate of crassus' host) was > 1bn [01:56]
mircea_popescu know many dudes with 1trn in loose change knocking around ? [01:57]
decimation yeah exactly [01:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he was one of the three, nothing is misidentified is it. [01:57]
decimation I assume he meant jp morgan [01:58]
asciilifeform thiking more of ^ [01:58]
asciilifeform *thinking [01:58]
mircea_popescu oh. well, no. he wore the banking crown, nobody disputed that, and for good reason. [01:58]
mircea_popescu but division of labour eh ? [01:58]
decimation well, morgan and his other monopoly friends thought they could 'endow' their bailout wealth to usg via the federal reserve [01:59]
mircea_popescu a crown in the traditional sense is a very primitive instrument, because it purports (necessarily, but ineffectually) to hold ALL sovereignty. now the poor bearer's stuck deciding how fires are to be put out, how wives are to be kept, etc. [01:59]
decimation that didn't work out very well [01:59]
mircea_popescu decimation this is entirely counterfactual nonsense that never happened. [01:59]
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mircea_popescu an' generally, i'd be wary of trusting the current retards' retelling of century old banking history. [02:00]
mircea_popescu for one thing, they're too stupid to understand it, for another they don't speak the language, for the third they imagine they have political judgements to make. [02:00]
decimation did morgan et al not meet on jekyll island to institute the fed? [02:01]
mircea_popescu anyway, i dunno where that wb quote is, somewhere in his 70s brk letters. all poetic about how great paying taxes is because hey, being rich's unfair. [02:01]
mircea_popescu decimation afaik he wasn't there. [02:02]
mircea_popescu he died iether before or soon after, and had for a while retired. [02:02]
* asciilifeform has buffett 'symlinked' mentally with armand hammer. and wonders if there is any logical reason for this [02:05]
decimation nevertheless, I take your point that the study of this history is worthwhile [02:05]
BingoBoingo decimation: Crassus was the Fire department [02:05]
mircea_popescu decimation in particular, the us fed was an attempt to copy germany, at the time extremely effectual. [02:06]
decimation although I don't know how one could find a history that isn't wrapped in progressive bullshit [02:06]
mircea_popescu it's easy to recast today as some sort of nefariousness, but if regarded properly rather than anchronistically it's just exactly the same as imperial russians trying to copy prussia. [02:06]
mircea_popescu at the time, in fact, the us and russia had a shitload in common : inept peripheral immense landmasses. [02:06]
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mircea_popescu pretty much the same problems, the same solutions, the same obsession of women with french and men with german shit and so on. [02:07]
mircea_popescu nobody has made a "Russia and the US in the 1800s : A Tale Of Twin Sisters" monograph to date [02:07]
asciilifeform aaactually [02:08]
mircea_popescu this merely speaks to the poor quality of english "historians". where's the new york gibbon ? [02:08]
asciilifeform plenty of (otherwise uninteresting, believe) sov. tracts re: analogy b/w us slavery & ru serf-keeping [02:08]
asciilifeform and the decline of each [02:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform russian side is a little better represented, but not much. [02:09]
decimation the historians who would be worth a shit are probably busy trying to keep their house and eat [02:09]
mircea_popescu so did gibbon. [02:09]
mircea_popescu he ALSO did the rise and fall. [02:09]
* BingoBoingo maybe surprisingly would still be willing to carry a rifle to tikrit in USia's name. Just since USia didn't accept my flirtations last time if they take me this time I want to pick the rifle. [02:09]
mircea_popescu life's what happens while people had other plans, an' posteriority remembers what you did BESIDES paying the bills. [02:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: last i checked usg will enlist just about anyone under fifty or so [02:10]
BingoBoingo Sand niggers are still a species of nigger [02:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They spotted me the last time with a specific mental defect they refuse to abide [02:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tried the private sector ? [02:12]
mircea_popescu ^ [02:12]
asciilifeform (i.e. the twenty thousand) [02:12]
mircea_popescu you can probably make decent loot with the various brackwaters. [02:12]
asciilifeform though last i heard they're pretty well staffed and get picky [02:12]
asciilifeform (preferring folks schooled in the normal army for a tour or three) [02:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The fucking local mall turned me down last X-mas season. Not any specific vendor, but all of them. [02:13]
BingoBoingo I've a cousin who did some bracjwasser stuff [02:13]
mircea_popescu !t m s.qntr [02:14]
assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027314 / 0.000301 (17082 shares, 4.67 BTC), 30D: 0.00021897 / 0.0002619 / 0.000301 (62444 shares, 16.35 BTC) [02:14]
BingoBoingo Was bored, but at least he wasn't on a boat which was his greatest fear as a marine [02:14]
mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe [02:14]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035809 / 0.00038073 / 0.00040007 (2565886 shares, 976.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00033798 / 0.00039508 / 0.00044462 (26732598 shares, 10,561.55 BTC), 30D: 0.00033798 / 0.00040005 / 0.00048515 (88726595 shares, 35,495.37 BTC) [02:14]
mircea_popescu howly shit this is actually possibru o.O [02:15]
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mircea_popescu god dangit. [02:17]
decimation ;;ticker [02:17]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 271.59, 24 hour volume: 67948.14967978, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None [02:17]
chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [02:17]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: qntra shares face scarcity necessarily [02:17]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah but still. [02:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Over time total new s.qntr per month is on a downward trend becasuse refinement [02:18]
BingoBoingo Each scam is only worth so many textual bullets [02:18]
mircea_popescu yep. [02:18]
mircea_popescu not a bad thing that, anywya. [02:18]
mircea_popescu more words < better words. [02:19]
BingoBoingo And if it wasn't for Moxenslit I wouls have been 1400 less words last month, but eulogy [02:19]
[]bot Bet created: "Qntra to the moon" [02:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But if brackwasser wants my hands they cn knock on my door as the FBI and Treasury department did. [02:24]
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BingoBoingo Maybe they can actually hold together ling enough to submit a bid. [02:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol, right after i get conscripted to nsa sharashka [02:25]
asciilifeform and ben_vulpes - to the ministry of wunderwaffen rocketeers [02:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Your plague is high standards. So long as their only demand is I shoot brown people, then I and them will be fine. [02:26]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [02:26]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: I am way too drunk atm for PM's [02:26]
mircea_popescu Vexual you know, iranians are white. [02:27]
mircea_popescu and the chicks are pretty. [02:27]
asciilifeform ^ [02:27]
BingoBoingo Iranians could totally get the dick. [02:27]
mircea_popescu i think they stole more circassians than the dutch stole africans. [02:27]
mircea_popescu were at it for far longer, that's for sure. [02:27]
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* asciilifeform refrains from going into deep tangent re: how iran may well have joined euro camp rather than descending into strange if it hadn't been spat upon as 'eastern monkeys' when tried [02:29]
BingoBoingo As a USian I have to assume ISIS must be bad, and therefore Obumer sucks for not letting me take potshots at them. [02:29]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Iran has always been more ready then the turks [02:29]
asciilifeform see, for instance, the story regarding the composition of their not-quite-national-anthem 'ey iran' - sorta their equiv. of 'america the beautiful' [02:30]
decimation asciilifeform: I thought iran went apeshit because of the british and us meddling [02:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: i was nearly disowned from marching band at one time for insisting on continuance to Star Spangled Banner's 3rd verse [02:30]
decimation BingoBoingo: should have sang the 'La Marseillaise' [02:31]
BingoBoingo decimation: I am not of Jurov's interface preferences [02:32]
asciilifeform lol [02:32]
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cazalla damn, you piss heads are tempting me to drink now [02:32]
asciilifeform would american schoolboys even recognize it ? [02:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00037373 = 6.0918 BTC [-] {2} [02:33]
BingoBoingo Seriouly though if USia offered me a mosin in exchange for 45 minutes at the ISIS border bleaching browns... I'd take that [02:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They would not [02:33]
decimation BingoBoingo: this is roughly why usg is still in business [02:33]
decimation rivers of meat are still ready to serve [02:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo dreamt all his life of an infantry career? mud, guts, the works ? [02:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They would recognize te sovient national anthem though given a picture of sean connery [02:34]
mircea_popescu << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?! [02:34]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 19:37:51; danielpbarron: yeah, prepare to be hated and banned [02:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And yet it was my temporal lobes that betrayed me [02:34]
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mircea_popescu anyway, this ssd kid is abso-fucking-lutely endearing. [02:35]
mircea_popescu anyone even know who he is ? [02:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Has #b-a actually banned ever? [02:35]
mircea_popescu well join/part spam, yeah [02:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: best I can tell they were anb honest n00b [02:36]
mircea_popescu but that gets undone on a "hey, i fixed it!" [02:36]
asciilifeform peculiarly radiation-damaged n00b [02:36]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pity they never reg'd now it'll be damned hard to make the link. [02:36]
asciilifeform too many limbs of one type, too few - of other, wrong directions attached [02:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i read almost the whole thing, i fail to see anything to indicate anything wrong with him. [02:36]
BingoBoingo sjsqd: is still welcome to my ear. Maybe I misse dsome other subject [02:37]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell sjsqd You are a crisis nao [02:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nothing malicious about the poor bugger, just the fact of having all of the traditional misconceptions ('i'll use my phone', 'let's try the Cloud', etc.) [02:37]
mircea_popescu kinda funny, yeah. [02:37]
decimation asciilifeform: how did you find that 'new lamer' guy? incoming links? [02:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That, plus their poor timing [02:38]
asciilifeform decimation: machine logs [02:38]
mircea_popescu but children are born thus. the infrastructure if you wish. the pulmonary shunt. [02:38]
mircea_popescu it serves a purpose [02:38]
BingoBoingo Last year... [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00037056 = 3.6871 BTC [-] {2} [02:39]
decimation asciilifeform: I feel sorry for the poor guy, his heart is in the right place but he has no idea what kind of elephant he is trying to eat [02:39]
cazalla BingoBoingo, what ya drinking, vodka? [02:39]
mircea_popescu aww and all the hate he's getting. [02:40]
mircea_popescu mats whay so mean dood! [02:40]
BingoBoingo decimation: The solution is not shooting him yet, but giving him a historical cadaver to explore [02:40]
asciilifeform dubai (his claimed home) is an interesting place. haven't had to go there myself yet, but have a friend who regularly visits. has stories [02:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform at some point in the 90s knew a whole bunch of chicks who technically lived there [02:40]
mircea_popescu came back home "to study" 9 months in the year, hung out with husband over summer. [02:41]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Yes. Not vodka really. Just plain grain alcohol... and time... and dreams... of USia giving me brown people as a target... [02:41]
cazalla BingoBoingo, believe it or not, i've yet to imbibe this month but you're encouraging.. so [02:41]
decimation the arabs import everything, food, women, work [02:41]
asciilifeform the one thing i've always wondered about dubai is what the owners actually -do- (vs have others do) [02:42]
asciilifeform but iirc the prophet never forbade coke [02:43]
decimation asciilifeform: if they are gentlemen scholars they don't seem to publish in english [02:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently they're very insecure people, spend a lot of time wondering. [02:43]
BingoBoingo [02:44]
assbot Minnesota college tragedies: Drunk, frozen and underage | Star Tribune ... ( ) [02:44]
mircea_popescu o.O didn't know petey's fluent in russians. [02:44]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 19:43:17; pete_dushenski: now that it's a bit quieter in here: [02:44]
decimation asciilifeform: [02:44]
assbot Fire in a Dubai building disrupts Dubai Metro operations | ... ( ) [02:44]
mircea_popescu a nm, french version [02:44]
decimation asciilifeform: video of the fire. [02:46]
assbot Tallest Residential Building on Fire - Dubai - YouTube ... ( ) [02:46]
mircea_popescu << aaaaahahahahaha [02:46]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 19:53:30; assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T [02:46]
mircea_popescu holy shit who does these things [02:46]
danielpbarron << i meant banned from whatever venues he came from if he starts writing about b-a [02:47]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 05:30:37; mircea_popescu: << lol this dood's something else. who the fuck was banned, even ?! [02:47]
mircea_popescu << there's but otherwise the idea is for wikis etc to be community maintained. [02:47]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 19:56:49; PeterL: does Eulora have an official website? [02:47]
assbot ... ( ) [02:47]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron oh. yeah, i guess so. [02:47]
mircea_popescu artifexd ^ i would hope you won't have that problem ? :D [02:48]
* asciilifeform mumbles something regarding nonexistence of kitchens with single cockroaches [02:49]
* BingoBoingo wonders why USG won't consider cost effective ISIS solutions [02:50]
asciilifeform ^ subject to the standard 'unexpected hanging theorem' disclaimer [02:50]
mircea_popescu << quite. [02:50]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 20:11:02; asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts [02:50]
danielpbarron the reason i didn't clarify at the time was that i kinda hope he does go and write a LTBarticle about this place and get himself banned from "the community" [02:50]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron i think it's at breaking point, that "community" [02:51]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: That is neither a problem nor a lack therof [02:51]
danielpbarron right [02:51]
mircea_popescu treason's only a hanging offence originally. soon enough... [02:51]
danielpbarron it would be good for him to get ejected from their midst [02:51]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: So your disagreement relatred ratings [02:51]
mircea_popescu i kinda expect ejection in droves during the year. [02:51]
danielpbarron don't take my word for it, sort of thing [02:51]
asciilifeform it's at breaking point << it's been carrying on a happy 'life' of the undead zombie for quite some time, rotting, culturing maggots & worms, throwing chunks of flesh at bystanders [02:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notrly, no. [02:52]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Contrast the case of 'Rozal' [02:52]
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danielpbarron i gave rozal -10 for being a self described liar, and some others got a -1 or -2 for striking me as sketchy.. [02:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's alive for the purpose of usg stooges being able to 'talk about bitcoin' without mentioning #b-a ever [02:53]
mircea_popescu << such lovely, srsly. [02:54]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 20:13:24; asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you [02:54]
decimation < apparently the new investing hotness is to short a company and then throw it into the usg woodchipper [02:54]
assbot How a 25-Year-Old Sparked Lumber Liquidators’ Stock Plunge - Bloomberg Business ... ( ) [02:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's 100% free online, too [02:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think your view of what is after all a natural process is too informed by categorical logic. [02:54]
asciilifeform (common lisp has a standard-cum-rationale and it isn't quite as deliciously readable) [02:55]
mircea_popescu real objects can of course never be categorically anything. [02:55]
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asciilifeform but similar [02:55]
asciilifeform too informed by categorical logic... real objects can of course never be categorically anything << guilty. professional disease. [02:56]
mircea_popescu nttawwi. [02:56]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: You initially gave him a small negative rating out of dislike and it was described as such. I hung him for fabricating allegations of theft. [02:56]
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danielpbarron what is the point of -10 if not for also having access to the other integers between it and 0 [02:56]
asciilifeform am i alone in using wot as was originally taught, 'level of confidence that this key represents person who is what they wish to believe us they are' ? [02:58]
mircea_popescu holy shit 2k lines that aren't your own are hard as fucking coffin nails [02:58]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: For the dark mark. He got -10 for most grevious crime [02:58]
asciilifeform *what they wish us to believe they are [02:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. wot is "level of confidence i have a complete picture of this person" [02:58]
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BingoBoingo ;;rated Rozal [02:59]
gribble You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [02:59]
* mircea_popescu insists on [02:59]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [02:59]
asciilifeform ^^ aha that one [02:59]
mircea_popescu uh. speaking of which... anyone could explain wtf is ?! [02:59]
assbot on Pinterest | 100 Pins ... ( ) [02:59]
asciilifeform spamatron [03:00]
mircea_popescu but... why an url ?! [03:00]
asciilifeform 'seo' [03:00]
asciilifeform particularly in the case of certain demented browsers that pipe url bar contents into search engine under certain conditions [03:01]
mircea_popescu hm [03:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: consider - how did you even discover that page [03:01]
mircea_popescu hawahahahahaha [03:01]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 21:15:54; bitstein: This is pretty lulzy: [03:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had no idea trilema is THAT googled. [03:02]
asciilifeform eth-neg << do you wonder why it was disclosed for bounty? rather than being used to shoot the thing in the head [03:02]
asciilifeform as it quite certainly could have been [03:02]
mircea_popescu because the thing is worthless ? [03:03]
asciilifeform (my hypothesis, simple: because eth. isn't alive and cannot be killed by shooting in the head. like 'redphone' and 'silent circle') [03:03]
asciilifeform 1000 'fatal' bugs will be found, if it carries on long enough, and will make no difference. [03:04]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [03:04]
artifexd gossipd status: [03:06]
assbot ... ( ) [03:06]
BingoBoingo PeterL I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking. << And this is how the world ends. Not with a whimper, but with a 7.62x54R bang [03:11]
* asciilifeform thought it ends with the 'schpokk' of nailgun [03:12]
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mircea_popescu artifexd lolk took 3 passes but bwahahaha [03:13]
artifexd I'm pretty heads down on it so 1) I am falling very behind on logs and 2) I'm not hanging out in here [03:15]
mircea_popescu makes sense. [03:16]
artifexd But, I do get pinged if my name shows up and I don't want y'all to think it has been forgotten. [03:16]
mircea_popescu got pinged because of the go http debacle [03:16]
mircea_popescu two lines up from where you were pinged [03:16]
asciilifeform not that widget, as specced, uses http/s for anything [03:17]
artifexd While interesting, that doesn't affect gossipd because I'm using lower level networking. [03:17]
asciilifeform but it is precisely the kind of thing one gets when using turdlangs [03:17]
asciilifeform esp. ones where 'omg111!!11 rich libraries, they do everything' [03:17]
danielpbarron Funny how not long it takes the Christian to start a holy war upon the poor Arab! << LOL, I honestly didn't even consider his ethnicity; I have a /stab alias for when people annoy me [03:18]
mircea_popescu i enjoy opportunities to poke at people [03:18]
mircea_popescu lol [03:18]
artifexd Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly. [03:19]
mircea_popescu aha [03:21]
* BingoBoingo farts [03:21]
BingoBoingo artifexd: Golang seems to have a lot of those holes [03:21]
* BingoBoingo adires tedu as guy aho makes bullshit mor menory safe, questions... the rest pf the corpus [03:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: I assume you saw the sudden freakout over hilariously weak crypto implemented by spec in SSL? [03:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00037035 = 4.5553 BTC [-] {2} [04:07]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski << belive it or not that'd actually be ecdsa rather than simple transposition. [04:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:09]
assbot Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [04:09]
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assbot Mexican Cartels Enslave Engineers to Build Radio Network | WIRED ... ( ) [04:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31726 @ 0.00038373 = 12.1742 BTC [+] {3} [04:53]
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assbot Sixteen Years | MetaTalk ... ( ) [05:07]
punkman when did they throw away the old cozy design... [05:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00037403 = 2.0572 BTC [-] [05:10]
punkman ;;ticker [05:12]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.63, Best ask: 272.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 272.7, 24 hour volume: 64140.20713433, 24 hour low: 267.0, 24 hour high: 285.99, 24 hour vwap: None [05:12]
punkman gribble doesn't like buttstamp anymore? [05:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00038422 = 1.5369 BTC [+] [05:16]
cazalla [05:19]
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cazalla punkman, i've made my contribution, have you? [05:23]
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punkman cazalla, I will contribute by only using purple sex toys on the girl [05:24]
punkman it's the color of equality [05:24]
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cazalla that's a real thing lol? [05:37]
punkman scary looking bird [05:40]
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mircea_popescu cazalla what's "women's day" got to do with "digital currency" w/e the shit that means. [06:01]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, seems an opportunity for them to stick their dcc branded shit next to an even bigger shittier brand, that being international wimminz day [06:03]
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mircea_popescu totally this is the way to success. [06:04]
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mircea_popescu keep keeping the magic buttons next to other magic buttons so the magic keeps infusing from one to the other and multiplying and shit. [06:04]
mircea_popescu soon enough they'll have enough mana stored up to resurect zig ziggler [06:04]
mircea_popescu and bring about three apocalypses for the low low price of 19.95 [06:05]
mircea_popescu but wait! there's more! [06:05]
mircea_popescu if you apocalypse now you also get this free set of dragonbane absolutely free! [06:05]
mircea_popescu (retail value of 49.95) [06:05]
cazalla that's some steak knife [06:06]
mircea_popescu PLUS! if you only use purple toys on the girl you get a bactericide cream for the vajayjay ABSOLUTELY FREE [06:06]
mircea_popescu "While Amin's articles, author profile at Coin Brief and twitter account have since been deleted, a copy of his author archive at Coin Brief remains available via Google cache and is mirrored here." [06:09]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would people do this. doesn't it stand to reason it's interesting now ? why delete it ? [06:09]
mircea_popescu lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha [06:09]
cazalla i know eh, his site has been mentioned in the wapo, cnn.. and he goes and deletes it lol [06:10]
cazalla the guys content that is, not the site itself [06:10]
mircea_popescu weird. [06:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, since this is such a big deal (!?), anyone know of some of these isis reddit users ? [06:12]
mircea_popescu we could have a script to changetip them fiddy satoshi till the cows come home [06:12]
mircea_popescu or whatever, the bruhaha makes me want to send usd to isis now. how do i go about it ? [06:13]
mircea_popescu preferably using coinbase. [06:13]
cazalla nope, but i'd laugh if they began to include a QR code in their head chop videos [06:13]
cazalla donate x amount of BTC to see this guy go free by such and such date [06:14]
mircea_popescu totally. [06:14]
mircea_popescu they could have a "vote how the guy dies". [06:14]
mircea_popescu <10 btc, beheaded. < 100 btc, stabbed in esophagus. etc. [06:15]
cazalla perhaps a custom video for the largest changetipper [06:15]
mircea_popescu 100 btc guy goes free (o oops, a DIFFERENT group got him just as he was leaving our compound) [06:15]
cazalla lol [06:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, the recently failed megaoffensive on tikrit produced from what i hear a good few thousands prisoners [06:16]
mircea_popescu no better time to turn usg agents into camwhores. [06:16]
mircea_popescu the eventual fate of everyone working for that thing anyway, why wait. [06:16]
mircea_popescu "pay $50 to watch pvt 1st class joshua cooper learn to give oral pleasure to Berg, the great dane" [06:17]
cazalla i believe the aussie pm send 300 soliders to join the fight these past few days [06:17]
cazalla sent*.. i'm not even drinking yet speak the engrish [06:18]
cazalla i'm not so sure the great dane shit would be that popular [06:19]
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mircea_popescu well whatcha gonna do, gayness is not allowed i think ? [06:20]
cazalla i dunno, the egyptian pilot who got toasty'd was quite popular [06:20]
fluffypony [11:05:44] <+mircea_popescu> lol twitter murdered bryce weiner ? ahaha <- lol, anyone know what the story is? [06:20]
cazalla 3D! [06:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, if isis had any sense they'd just steal the liveshow format. what's that thing called where they put x guys in a house ? [06:20]
mircea_popescu except do it right, give them knives. [06:20]
cazalla he change tipped an alleged isis twitter account fluffypony lol [06:21]
mircea_popescu fluffypony top story on qntra atm [06:21]
fluffypony hah hah [06:21]
cazalla mircea_popescu, big brother [06:21]
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mircea_popescu cazalla tya that. [06:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, if there's an official isis accounts list somewhere, i'm totally game to send them whatever 0.0050 cents or w/e changetip does. [06:21]
cazalla there probably is somewhere [06:22]
cazalla can't say i'm keen to be the first aussie bitcoiner nailed to the cross for simply mentioning bitcoin and ISIS in the same sentence though.. [06:23]
cazalla the cops already shut down an arterial road a few suburbs over this afternoon because some guy dared shoot annoying birds with an air rifle [06:25]
cazalla [06:25]
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mircea_popescu nuts. [06:36]
mircea_popescu the very idea that police may even close roads... [06:36]
mircea_popescu this is rebellion outright. [06:36]
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samO_ scoopbot sergiohlb shesek sjsqd so starsoccer Stellarflip STRML [07:27]
mircea_popescu !up sjsqd [07:27]
mircea_popescu yes. [07:27]
-assbot- You voiced sjsqd for 30 minutes. [07:27]
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cazalla sjsqd, ya back! [07:32]
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sjsqd sorry afk have to visit family [07:48]
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mircea_popescu o.O havelock returns ? [07:54]
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cazalla saw a few trades earlier [07:58]
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cazalla !up sjsqd [08:01]
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cazalla btw sjsqd, are you indian? [08:01]
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mircea_popescu Because it is endangered and endemic to the area, development projects have been restricted to preserve its habitat. For example, the Dickey-Lincoln dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on the upper Saint John River in 1974, was deauthorized by Congress in 1986 after years of study, because the dam would have flooded 88,000 acres (360 km2) of Maine forest and severely reduced the lousewort's habitat. Some [08:02]
mircea_popescu criticized ending the dam project to protect the lousewort; Time magazine called the idea "downright silly" in 1977. While thought extinct at the time the dam was proposed, it was rediscovered in 1976 by C.D. Richards while doing surveys to determine the environmental impact of the dam. [08:02]
mircea_popescu epic. [08:02]
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adlai << they don't want your usary scrip, isiscoin uses PoAu [08:14]
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cazalla look like indiana jones' number might be up [20:49]
cazalla or han solo depending on your preference [20:50]
mircea_popescu what's that mean ? [20:55]
BingoBoingo Oh, is Harrison Ford kicking the bucket soon? [20:55]
cazalla i hate to link to it, but.. [20:56]
assbot Harrison Ford -- Plane Crashes ... Actor Seriously Injured | ... ( ) [20:56]
mircea_popescu o.O [20:56]
mircea_popescu cessna nailgun [20:56]
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mircea_popescu ehehehe [20:59]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 11:47:57; assbot: Russian Lawmaker: Bitcoin is a CIA Conspiracy ... ( ) [20:59]
mircea_popescu who is this, zhirinovsky ? [20:59]
mircea_popescu << their argument rests on some random schmuck who went in the field to "Study" it, introduced some seeds, claimed to have discovered the resulting plants and woe and behold, a redditard mattered! [21:00]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 12:47:00; punkman: flooding a nice forest probably not the best idea, but their argument rests on lousewort?! [21:00]
mircea_popescu i think it's unseemly that they should be further encouraged. [21:00]
mircea_popescu the sooner they lose all hope the sooner their children can begin tearing up redditardamerica and building a livable space north of rio grande. [21:00]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu aha you're quite right about the scytales. a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves. [21:01]
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mircea_popescu yup [21:02]
mircea_popescu greeks, way ahead of romans and their spawn ONCE AGAIN [21:02]
mircea_popescu they had the atomic theory, they had the steam engine, they had the works. [21:02]
pete_dushenski atomic theory i knew, but steam engine ?! [21:03]
mircea_popescu yup [21:03]
pete_dushenski and the romans were empire builders, not philosophers [21:03]
mircea_popescu look into hero of alexandria [21:04]
pete_dushenski they had philosophers, but that's a different thing [21:04]
mircea_popescu (aeolipile) [21:04]
pete_dushenski "The aeolipile was a hollow sphere mounted so that it could turn on a pair of hollow tubes that provided steam to the sphere from a cauldron. The steam escaped from the sphere from one or more bent tubes projecting from its equator, causing the sphere to revolve. The aeolipile is the first known device to transform steam into rotary motion." [21:05]
pete_dushenski well waddya know! [21:05]
cazalla got another retweet for the bits for tits trilema post.. this time by a bitcoin magazine for women.. ah ha, they don't even read, just retweet [21:05]
mircea_popescu lol [21:06]
cazalla of course, i'm working on the assumption these are lefties who would be grossly offended at such an idea but you never know.. [21:06]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [21:06]
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mircea_popescu ftr, actual lefties aren't offended at nudity. [21:06]
adlai what's this about graphing curves? [21:06]
mircea_popescu the weirdo abominable us "lefties", which are really a sort of recycled aunt pollies, yes. [21:07]
pete_dushenski adlai greek scytales [21:07]
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assbot ECCHacks - A gentle introduction to elliptic-curve cryptography [31c3] - YouTube ... ( ) [21:07]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, a lefty commune more likely to be nude than otherwise. [21:07]
adlai sure, i know what scytales are. but 'a variable diameter stick is really a fascinating way of graphing cryptographic curves.' = ? [21:07]
pete_dushenski adlai do i misunderstand how scytales work ? [21:08]
cazalla mircea_popescu, aren't the us lefties the type of lefties behind bitcoin wimminz day anyway [21:08]
mircea_popescu gotta ask 'em, cazalla. whadda i know >D [21:08]
cazalla the other leftie type being.. amir/hippy types living in a hovel engaging in drug fuelled orgies? [21:09]
adlai pete_dushenski: could be. scytales just rearrange the 'packets' of a message, whereas modern crypto jumbles the data within [21:09]
pete_dushenski " the scytale, consisted of a tapered baton around which was spirally wrapped a piece of parchment inscribed with the message. When unwrapped the parchment bore an incomprehensible set of letters, but when wrapped around another baton of identical proportions, the original text reappeared. " [21:10]
adlai it just changes the order of the letters [21:11]
mircea_popescu < [21:11]
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pete_dushenski adlai being ignorant of the difference between rearranging packets and jumbling, can you expand ? [21:11]
mircea_popescu cazalla most of israel was built by lefties. [21:11]
mircea_popescu adlai "packets" "data within", what is this, we make up words day ? [21:12]
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pete_dushenski also, who needs scoopbot when I'm here anyways : [21:15]
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adlai pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2π, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column [21:15]
adlai the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged [21:16]
adlai it leaks information about the message content, even if you don't get the full thing [21:16]
mircea_popescu adlai you are making assumptions about the length of the parchment. [21:17]
jurov so what. should have used klein bottles or such. [21:17]
adlai what assumptions? [21:17]
mircea_popescu it could be 2700 stadies for all you know [21:17]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc .185 * 2700 [21:18]
gribble 499.5 [21:18]
mircea_popescu 500km. wow check me out, i can estimate! [21:18]
pete_dushenski lol [21:18]
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pete_dushenski wait, where's 0.185 from ? [21:19]
asciilifeform adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist << the bot is not for use! it's a theoretical construction, like carnot cycle [21:19]
mircea_popescu there's ~185 meters in a stadion [21:20]
mircea_popescu (the thing you folks call stadium in english an' stadion in french :) ) [21:20]
pete_dushenski o estadio ! [21:21]
asciilifeform scytales... ecdsa << if this analogy is accurate, woe be unto ecdsa users. you can crack scyrale with a physical contrivance analogous to an engorging cock [21:21]
pete_dushenski depends on one's.... capacity [21:21]
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pete_dushenski not everyone packs a salami for lunch [21:21]
jurov if the "perfect bot" ends up with less then complete monopoly, then it's non-prefect by definition [21:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform only if it's fixed taper. [21:22]
jurov unless we can endlessly argue that monopoly is not optiomal outcome for its owner [21:22]
jurov the boundary is now carnot cycle but complete pwnage [21:23]
jurov *not carnot cycle [21:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if can vary taper between min and max of what opponent could have used - then yes [21:23]
asciilifeform jurov: nobody's getting a monopoly off epsilon btc [21:23]
asciilifeform jurov: which is why the gedankenexperiment was specifically about epsilon [21:24]
jurov in 2009 there was only epsilon [21:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons. [21:24]
jurov notyhing else [21:24]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu asciilifeform could also be variable taper [21:24]
mircea_popescu it's what i said o.O [21:25]
asciilifeform i doubt that they varied the taper [21:25]
mircea_popescu ever seen the item itself ? [21:25]
asciilifeform take a table leg, a length of photo film, and experiment [21:25]
mircea_popescu no, table length is turned. [21:25]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i'm slow.. [21:25]
asciilifeform only ever saw modern reproductions of scytale [21:25]
asciilifeform not having been to ancient sparta in person [21:25]
mircea_popescu all the ones i've seen were asymmetrical. [21:26]
asciilifeform [21:26]
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asciilifeform i see it [21:26]
mircea_popescu crpto, 3k years ago as today : if naively implemented, trivial. if not... well.... ahem. [21:26]
asciilifeform still crackable with a rubber cock that inflates while second variable is expansion of one end (use an aperture, like camera) [21:27]
mircea_popescu yes, but the problem becomes similar to "crack this otp" [21:27]
mircea_popescu "sure. i can crack it any way you want me to" [21:28]
asciilifeform more like cracking a rotor [21:28]
mircea_popescu more like cracking rsa : for the techology they had at the time, absolute security. [21:28]
asciilifeform as adlai pointed out, there is ample info bounding the possible plaintexts available in the ciphertext [21:28]
asciilifeform for their time - if they worked it correctly - yes [21:28]
mircea_popescu only if you assume the pad is short and fixed length [21:28]
mircea_popescu fixed distance i mean. if you have a 100 cm pad with 1 leter per cm, yes. [21:29]
mircea_popescu if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no. [21:29]
asciilifeform incidentally, i love a good analogue 'stone-age' cryptomechanism. and not only for enciphering. consider the broken cup. [21:30]
mircea_popescu right [21:30]
asciilifeform authenticator, used even in ww2 [21:30]
mircea_popescu this, iirc, was the first use of glass [21:30]
mircea_popescu they'd make a bead and crush it. [21:30]
asciilifeform modern cryptowankers' parlance calls these 'physically unclonable function' [21:30]
asciilifeform glass is still king, incidentally [21:31]
mircea_popescu tup [21:31]
mircea_popescu yup* [21:31]
asciilifeform except don't have to break it, but expose to light [21:31]
asciilifeform a kind of interferometric 'hash' [21:31]
adlai the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party [21:31]
asciilifeform adlai: ? [21:32]
adlai shared secret generation [21:32]
asciilifeform what's the unclonable part ? [21:32]
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pete_dushenski adlai the cool thing about everything nonphysical is... its nonphysicality ;) [21:33]
asciilifeform when i used word 'unclonable' - that's meant literally. as in, no one will produce a matching half of that broken glass [21:33]
asciilifeform even if they'd much like to [21:33]
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asciilifeform with any existing or foreseeable tech [21:34]
adlai i guess everything's clonable, so that's the wrong analogy to make; physical unclonable items would be used for authentication ('thing is as i remember it'), shared secrets are used for secure communication [21:34]
asciilifeform (there are edges a few atoms thick, in there) [21:34]
mircea_popescu adlai> i guess everything's clonable, << what's this, progress hour ? [21:34]
mircea_popescu << lawl i like this guy. [21:36]
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asciilifeform ^ re: linked article << 'embrace & extinguish' [21:41]
mircea_popescu <<< me is blown away at kakobrekla's immense fan expertise. [21:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, that entire "oh, let's use someone else's stuff because it's stuff and why not" thing is dead. [21:41]
mircea_popescu they have shat the stick, so to speak. no further usage of anything unless it's in the wot. [21:42]
asciilifeform 'free cheese is found in mousetraps' [21:42]
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mircea_popescu be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented. [21:42]
mircea_popescu there's no such thing as "not evil" us corps. [21:42]
asciilifeform there are also impotent, and also dead ones [21:42]
asciilifeform as americans used to say 'good indians are in the cemetary' [21:43]
mircea_popescu sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark. [21:43]
asciilifeform it's rather like those kids in ru who make a hobby of collecting mementoes from old battlefields [21:43]
mircea_popescu will make "get big fast" fucking impossible to get revenue on, because all the customers you want are not going by marketing. [21:43]
asciilifeform every so often, 'oooh coool',... 'bang' [21:43]
asciilifeform if you aren't a sapper - find another hobby [21:44]
mircea_popescu and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever. [21:44]
mircea_popescu but... them's the breaks. [21:44]
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mircea_popescu << wut ?! ozone is pretty much the number 1 reducer of organic matter. [21:46]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 20:32:25; jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess. [21:46]
mircea_popescu dumbass epa. from the link : [21:47]
mircea_popescu "The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs (see - "Ozone and Your Health")." [21:47]
asciilifeform oxidizer not reducer [21:47]
mircea_popescu obviously, the reference is broken, because "We recently updated". and apparently they think this is how you say "we've recently brokenb" [21:48]
asciilifeform unless 'reducer' was meant in the ordinary, rather than chemist's, sense [21:48]
mircea_popescu i am certainly not taking any advice from these morons. [21:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ordinary. makes them shorter. [21:48]
mircea_popescu the smelly parts are particularly susceptible, incidentally. both aromatics and sulphide types. [21:48]
asciilifeform the linked crap has the basic idea, ozone works as well on the meat as on whatever you're fumigating against [21:49]
asciilifeform don't sit and be gassed when fumigating. [21:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the idea is to treat air with ozone in an ozone trap. [21:49]
mircea_popescu not to pump ozone into the atmosphere. [21:49]
asciilifeform the linked thing was about machines that do precisely the latter [21:49]
asciilifeform commonly sold in gringolandia as cure-alls [21:49]
mircea_popescu yes well, the epa idiocy was not finding the room, among very usefully distinctive verbiage like "Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone.", to specify this [21:50]
mircea_popescu it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying" [21:50]
asciilifeform if somebody wants to dig up the warning from 1920s (mentioned briefly in the modern usg one) would be interesting to read. [21:51]
asciilifeform and almost certainly shorter [21:51]
mircea_popescu tbh, i don't know there exists material more intellectually objectionable than the shit pouring out of the usg. [21:51]
mircea_popescu reminds me of the damned soviets. [21:51]
mircea_popescu "USG - Army Of One, And They're All Retarded" [21:52]
asciilifeform they didn't have cut&paste [21:52]
asciilifeform modern usg has many advantages in bullshit production over predecessors [21:52]
mircea_popescu all but a working head. [21:52]
asciilifeform (the soviets also didn't have microshit 'word', which helps illiterates to play-pretend by turning them into a kind of cyborg meat-assisted shannonizer) [21:53]
mircea_popescu myeah. [21:53]
mircea_popescu they were stuck to formulaics instead. [21:53]
asciilifeform the total intellectual load placed on chumps was considerably lighter [21:54]
asciilifeform most folks with any kind of brain at all, just ignored the slogans when off the clock [21:54]
asciilifeform biggest shared 'in joke' in the world [21:54]
asciilifeform usa - no such luck [21:54]
mircea_popescu The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh. [21:55]
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mircea_popescu here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints. [21:56]
mircea_popescu if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ? [21:56]
mircea_popescu he'll have to fucking walk on streets and talk to people and non-aspie shit like that. [21:57]
mircea_popescu he'd rather swallow a fistful of thumbtacks. [21:57]
mircea_popescu so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea. [21:57]
mircea_popescu tis what it is. [21:57]
asciilifeform thought it was more mundane mechanism, where you absolutely must have elint for totalitarian control of the english world, where stoolie culture was not already well developed [21:58]
mircea_popescu we got slutmint and yekutzky can go on writing about what gangrene said to liberty valance or w/e. [21:58]
asciilifeform (and at any rate feels too much like work) [21:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem. [21:58]
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mircea_popescu just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do. [21:59]
mircea_popescu what do you mean "it doesn't work" ? this presumes an alt-universe in which there are alternatives, so things could not work. the world they inhabit knows no such thing, and so... of course it works. [22:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or they were trying to solve a different problem: [22:01]
asciilifeform say, actually have every table and chair with microphone that sets off alarms if someone mutters a dissenting thought under his breath [22:01]
asciilifeform no more festering resentment, as in soviet times [22:01]
asciilifeform not that this is actually possible, necessarily, but -thinkable- [22:01]
asciilifeform and that's enough for the buggers [22:01]
asciilifeform that it's... thinkable. [22:02]
mircea_popescu your first doesn't lead to your second, so which do i admit, the first or the sercond ? [22:02]
asciilifeform they want to solve the problem of turning man into livestock [22:02]
mircea_popescu that's a generous problem to solve, seeing how the part that'll ever get solved was never not solved, and the rest isn't happening. [22:03]
asciilifeform didn't say it would happen, but the allure is irresistible to them [22:03]
mircea_popescu nonsense. [22:03]
mircea_popescu you're looking at a cat and seeing love. it's just a cat. [22:04]
asciilifeform it's a hungry leopard [22:04]
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asciilifeform and 'loves' the delicious flesh. [22:04]
mircea_popescu only if you're chicklet sized. [22:04]
mircea_popescu the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc. [22:05]
mircea_popescu it's the exact equivalent of german kids that are "anti nazi". orly ? [22:05]
mircea_popescu a tad late for that show. [22:05]
asciilifeform thinking of the still-living flesh now, not the gangrenous [22:06]
mircea_popescu <<< plenty. [22:06]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 21:01:23; mike_c: There isn't much doubt that they took ulbricht's coins, right? [22:07]
asciilifeform nsa, the fed, the nameless ones (tm), et al - are not run by the pheminist antinazi wtf crowd. [22:07]
mike_c but the coins are moving. how does that work? [22:07]
mircea_popescu << the basis is that they made some claims, about selling coins, and then failed to deliver on the coiuns they alleged to sell. [22:07]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:00; mike_c: i understand the theory :) I don't get the basis. [22:07]
mircea_popescu this is exactly identical to bfl delivering miners, with USMS playing the role of inaba. [22:07]
mircea_popescu coins move all the time. [22:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, the onus is not on observers to explain the usg. the usg made some claims, which were in due time proven false. [22:08]
mircea_popescu which they ignored. [22:09]
mircea_popescu sure, it's "not been 100% proven as a scam". this however isn't the criteria. you lie, you get caught, you're fucked. [22:09]
mircea_popescu << emphatically no. [22:12]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 21:02:54; mike_c: seems there ought to be some reasonable blockchain evidence one way or the other. don't we know the ulbricht address in question? [22:12]
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cazalla clinton ran own mail server, who knew lol [22:12]
mircea_popescu the blockchain is not an evidentiary record for third parties. [22:12]
assbot House committee subpoenas Clinton emails in Benghazi probe ... ( ) [22:12]
mircea_popescu "The development on Capitol Hill came the same day The Associated Press reported the existence of a personal email server traced back to the Chappaqua, New York, home of Clinton. The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton — who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign — significant control over limiting access to her message archives." [22:13]
mircea_popescu derp. emails still travel in plaintext, and this is the sigint we get ? [22:13]
asciilifeform exactly the same way btc tx travels in plaintext [22:14]
asciilifeform clinton, etc. don't expect to lose anything if it gets out [22:14]
asciilifeform because, to the extent is valuable - nonattributable [22:14]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [22:14]
asciilifeform if tomorrow we get a 'leaked' clinton email where clitler reveals that she is medusa and can kill with headsnakes - what will change ? [22:14]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? [22:15]
pete_dushenski or is doesn't matter what she claims ? [22:15]
asciilifeform 'respectable' mouthpieces won't touch the subject [22:15]
asciilifeform it'll be like the 9/11 crap. [22:15]
asciilifeform 'xxxxx.' 'you're a nutter, go away' [22:16]
pete_dushenski well, clinton isn't the wtc [22:16]
pete_dushenski far from it. [22:16]
pete_dushenski she's a distraction at best and a fallguy at worst [22:17]
mircea_popescu << yeah srsly, etrade is iirc 30 [22:17]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 21:40:01; mike_c: $5 / month is rich? [22:17]
pete_dushenski but hey, let's see her run and find out [22:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's rich if it's denominated in plutonium! [22:17]
mircea_popescu she's definitely the more intellectually capable husk they got floating around. who else, jeb, bush's retarded brother/cousin/sister in law ? [22:18]
asciilifeform don't forget the other obama [22:18]
mircea_popescu the other obama is not really qualified to run kim's shoe boutique. [22:19]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i seem to recall you saying something to the effect of 'old women in power are the fucking worst' [22:19]
pete_dushenski is hillary exempt from this ? [22:19]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not my country, whadda i care. she's still the only not braidamaged runner so far. [22:20]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? << a good reason to use usg mailservers and own your keys [22:20]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu except she's not running... yet. [22:21]
mircea_popescu yeah. right. [22:21]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: point was that these folks live in a perverse sandbox world where it literally doesn't matter what happens [22:21]
mircea_popescu which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. [22:21]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform 'the show must go on!' [22:21]
asciilifeform as orlov pointed out [22:21]
asciilifeform they don't care if they win a war, lose a war, here&there [22:21]
asciilifeform it's a very long road (or so they think) to hitler's bunker and '' being filmed on washington streets [22:22]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu repblicans don't exactly 'have alternative', much less plural [22:22]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu and i'd still bet a nickel on the republicans [22:23]
pete_dushenski dems might take even longer shot because ya, doesn't much matter. [22:23]
cazalla pete_dushenski, pretty sure she can't announce nomination until such and such a date.. part of what made the bitbet bet's that clinton and rand would announce last year an easy win [22:24]
pete_dushenski might as well make an interesting ballot pairing of two people noone has ever heard of [22:24]
ben_vulpes which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. << implying she might run in 8 years? [22:24]
pete_dushenski cazalla aha [22:24]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes lol when she's 80 [22:24]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: srs [22:24]
ben_vulpes 76, but whatever. [22:25]
ben_vulpes 77? [22:25]
ben_vulpes 42! [22:25]
pete_dushenski that's the secret [22:25]
ben_vulpes answer. [22:25]
pete_dushenski kinda like 'where's osama's body?' [22:27]
pete_dushenski actually, osama's body is much like these usms auctions [22:27]
pete_dushenski many promises, only hollywood 'evidence' [22:28]
pete_dushenski 'we made a movie and it won an oscar so history happened!' [22:28]
* adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions [22:28]
asciilifeform or the body [22:28]
asciilifeform (does each u.s. citizen get a small piece?) [22:28]
pete_dushenski to taste, yes [22:29]
pete_dushenski like the wooly mammoth [22:29]
pete_dushenski and since osama is basically the usg's religious messiah, come to save it from internal destruction by providing an external enemy, why not make a whole church service around him [22:30]
pete_dushenski offering up his 'body and blood' [22:30]
pete_dushenski adlai 'the winner' getting out of dodge and never looking back would do. [22:36]
pete_dushenski otherwise, wtf is wrong with their heads. [22:36]
pete_dushenski so barring that much braindamage in a single vessle, we should see silbert or whoever packing their bags for rio de janeiro [22:37]
adlai it's a problem, the people who frequent such yardsales probably like hanging around the yard [22:46]
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asciilifeform for some reason nobody mentioned the ugliest thing about ada [23:01]
asciilifeform the 200k helloworld. [23:01]
danielpbarron i ordered that "bible" you mentioned [23:01]
asciilifeform pragma No_Run_Time; [23:02]
asciilifeform with Interfaces.C; use Interfaces.C; [23:02]
asciilifeform procedure Hello is [23:02]
asciilifeform procedure Puts (Str : Char_Array); [23:02]
asciilifeform pragma Import (C, Puts, "puts"); [23:02]
asciilifeform begin [23:02]
asciilifeform Puts ("Hello, World!"); [23:02]
asciilifeform end Hello; [23:02]
asciilifeform ^ 6k on my box [23:02]
asciilifeform but you can see how this cheats. [23:02]
asciilifeform (both numbers refer to stripped elf's on an x86-64 box) [23:02]
mats i managed to make ~60% ROI in the 13 months ive had a coinbr account [23:03]
mats thanks jurov [23:03]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: you will have a real bitch of a time learning the language from the standard and justification docs, if that's what you were thinking of doing [23:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00040988 = 1.9145 BTC [+] [23:03]
danielpbarron not sure what i was thinking except that i like the chapter:verse thing [23:04]
danielpbarron sounds like the book is timeless or something / probably a good investment [23:05]
asciilifeform all serious technical docs 'written for the ages' ought to be in that format. [23:05]
danielpbarron mats, was 60% enough to make up for the drop in USD/BTC price? [23:05]
danielpbarron i found a used one for 60 USD (the new is twice that) and impulsively added it to another order i had pending [23:06]
mats no, i bought a majority of it at 800 BTCUSD [23:07]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: make sure it describes at least the '95' variant [23:07]
asciilifeform at the earliest [23:07]
danielpbarron mats, so your "gains" were really just you helping out the fiat traders / at least it beat buying bitcoin and doing nothing with it [23:08]
danielpbarron asciilifeform, i searched for the code you mentioned in here, and yeah it says 95 in the title or whatever [23:08]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: there are four adas - 83, 95, 2005, 2012 [23:09]
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mats yes, thats the downside to having imperfect information [23:09]
danielpbarron asciilifeform, [23:09]
assbot Ada 2005 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/1995(E) with Technical Corrigendum 1 and Amendment 1 ... / Programming and Software Engineering) (9783540693352): S. Tucker Taft, Robert A. Duff, Randall L. Brukardt, Erhard Ploedereder, Pasca ... ( ) [23:09]
danielpbarron ah apparently i got the 2005 one [23:10]
asciilifeform get the 'rationale' too [23:10]
asciilifeform that's the one with chapter & verse [23:10]
asciilifeform or rather, they both have it [23:10]
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asciilifeform but error messages (in verbose mode) cite rationale, iirc [23:10]
decimation aren't those all published on the internet? [23:11]
asciilifeform decimation: they are [23:11]
asciilifeform i assumed he likes dead tree [23:11]
asciilifeform << mega-flamew4r [23:12]
assbot Size of linked program increasing with new version of GNAT. ... ( ) [23:12]
mircea_popescu << it's actually how brokerages work irl. [23:15]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 21:51:43; jurov: thestringpuller that's exactly what i do have in mind [23:15]
mircea_popescu "implying she might run in 8 years?" << no, being facetious. [23:16]
mircea_popescu it's plain obvious she's the democrat candidate. [23:16]
decimation asciilifeform: the wisdom I've picked up from my own experiments and reading about yours is that it seems the ada compiler you choose is critical [23:16]
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mircea_popescu "18* adlai wonders what evidence you're expecting to see of the auctions" << complete misstatement of the situaiton. read the logs. search for "foia" might help [23:17]
asciilifeform << fucking scammerz [23:17]
assbot ... ( ) [23:17]
* mircea_popescu is mildly offended at this "i will persist in being a redditard" attitude, for the record. [23:18]
asciilifeform decimation: i tested on both available compilers, the foundation's and the gnu [23:18]
asciilifeform decimation: same result [23:18]
asciilifeform decimation: i did not test on any closed-source compiler because they don't exist on the planet i choose to live on [23:18]
thestringpuller why is everyone complaining about ada [23:18]
thestringpuller 2 beers in and a few exercises this is not bad .jpeg [23:19]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: because there is not actually an alternative to ada [23:19]
asciilifeform and i think i'm the only one actually talking about it, for the most part [23:19]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you have reignited my love for computers again [23:19]
thestringpuller despite your pessimism :D [23:20]
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* asciilifeform wonders how [23:20]
mircea_popescu fun fact : elf does not contain a windows byte. netbsd, linux, system v etc. [23:20]
asciilifeform why would it ? [23:21]
asciilifeform microshit wasn't at the table [23:21]
asciilifeform which is as it ought to be [23:21]
mircea_popescu not saying it should, merely pointing it out :D [23:21]
decimation wasn't it well known that microsoft stole the bsd IP stack for windows NT? [23:23]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i love old microshit tho. found a copy of 3d studio R1 from 1990, and it runs on ms dos [23:23]
thestringpuller it's slightly poetic. [23:23]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: what's that got to do with microshit? [23:23]
thestringpuller TRON style i 'spose [23:23]
mircea_popescu lol mats made 60% bringing his losses to only 60%. [23:23]
asciilifeform '3d studio' was an 'autodesk' product [23:23]
asciilifeform ran in protected mode, too, using no actual msdos api [23:23]
thestringpuller that runs on microshit dos [23:23]
thestringpuller lol [23:23]
* asciilifeform spent what must have been a whole year playing with it as a kid [23:24]
thestringpuller i can't bring myself to hate on DOS [23:24]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: dos was not, properly speaking, a microshit product [23:24]
asciilifeform stolen. [23:24]
mircea_popescu unlike which ? [23:24]
decimation yeah it was a stolen reimplemenation of cp/m as i recall [23:24]
mircea_popescu pretty much [23:25]
thestringpuller i thought even windows and nt were "stolen" [23:25]
mircea_popescu << for the exact reason george costanza once pointed out. "it's there" [23:25]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 22:00:28; asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab) [23:25]
adlai !s foia [23:26]
assbot 40 results for 'foia' : [23:26]
mircea_popescu << ahahaha zing [23:26]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 22:06:11; mike_c: yeah, some like ada :D [23:26]
mircea_popescu << sweet innocence. [23:27]
assbot ... ( ) [23:27]
mircea_popescu if one is willing to take this tack, i wonder why one's not going the whole nine yards and throwing out the keyboard. [23:27]
mircea_popescu "I JUST WANT THE COMPUTER TO FUCKING WORK!!!1" [23:27]
decimation mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's [23:28]
mircea_popescu the entire "i want government to just work by itself and let me to my affairs" has worked splendidly in the us, 70s to 2000s. [23:29]
decimation apparently jwz wants to live in the past [23:29]
mircea_popescu not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to. [23:29]
decimation in exchange for nothing, mind [23:29]
mircea_popescu the crowning nonsense of all nonsense, seriously. why is it not obvious that if you give up agency you also give up... agency ? [23:29]
adlai he seems to want free tech support [23:29]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this ancient fallacy has a name: 'dwim' [23:30]
adlai asciilifeform: are you familiar with dwimlisp? [23:30]
mircea_popescu right. [23:30]
asciilifeform adlai: aha [23:30]
mircea_popescu [23:31]
assbot DWIM Perl - the Perl distribution that contains everything you'll ever need ... ( ) [23:31]
mircea_popescu since im in a ftr mood apparently. [23:31]
asciilifeform dwim is the shortest possible summary of how illiterate folks imagine programming [23:32]
asciilifeform or engineering in general [23:32]
mircea_popescu !s babbage [23:32]
assbot 6 results for 'babbage' : [23:32]
asciilifeform 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' [23:32]
decimation apparently jwz's main business is running a club now [23:32]
asciilifeform decimation: that's where he parked his 'escape rocket' [23:33]
mircea_popescu yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over. [23:33]
adlai (for the curious/brave - (requires javascript and much searching as it's impossible to link into this 'website')) [23:33]
asciilifeform i have always had a mild dislike for jwz and was never able to articulate why [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why ? [23:33]
decimation asciilifeform: he strikes me as a washed-up do-o-crat [23:33]
mircea_popescu iirc he started out as a lisp hacker. [23:34]
asciilifeform possibly because only fact i knew about him was him being involved in the dotcom bubble and being responsible for the steaming crock of shit that is netscape, and, by implication, the entire shit soup of www standards [23:34]
mircea_popescu uh. [23:34]
adlai he forked xemacs from gnu [23:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: almost all american programmers of a certain age once wrote lisp of some description [23:34]
mircea_popescu the www soup is scarcely to be pinned on one man, and if one man were to be found it's likely not this one. [23:34]
asciilifeform getting rich off netscape feels vaguely unsavoury in my book [23:34]
mircea_popescu why ? [23:34]
adlai jws was an employee at netscape [23:35]
adlai rather junior one [23:35]
decimation well, for one thing they stole mosaic [23:35]
asciilifeform anyway, not really pissing on the man in earnest here [23:35]
asciilifeform just confessing that my overall burning hatred for the time, place, and culture in which he became rich & famous spills onto him. [23:35]
mircea_popescu i liked the 90s! [23:36]
mircea_popescu i may even go so far as to say i liked the 90s sv o.O [23:36]
asciilifeform if i were to learn that he made his nightclub seed money by executing contract hits, rather than at netscape, i'd like him considerably more [23:36]
adlai he did piss off stallman [23:37]
mircea_popescu << "moving the market", in professional language "slippage" is not a desirable phenomenon but the bane of all existance. [23:37]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file [23:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm sure the denizens liked it also. but as al said, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' we're living with the results of '90s sv. [23:37]
decimation adlai: it's probably impossible to do something positive to emacs without pissing off stallman [23:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's somewhat like saying that 'engineers hate friction' [23:38]
mircea_popescu or anything else for that matter. [23:38]
asciilifeform not exactly false, but no mechanical device would function if friction did not exist [23:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform slippage is not friction, slippage is your lab getting hit by earthquakes. [23:38]
asciilifeform but what if the lab is not a lab, but a bomb whose entire purpose is to trigger earthquake [23:38]
mircea_popescu "how the fuck am i supposed to do any scioence in here!111" [23:38]
mircea_popescu that is the EXACT feeling it evokes in financeheads. [23:38]
adlai i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape) [23:39]
* asciilifeform is not aware of any successful instances of 'moving market', other than brute affairs like buterin's waterfall or the earlier and better-known gold price suppression scheme [23:39]
mircea_popescu netscape is a fine example. [23:39]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: buterin's waterfall is leaky tho. [23:40]
adlai asciilifeform: [23:41]
assbot Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [23:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway. [23:41]
asciilifeform ^ [23:41]
decimation moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market [23:41]
mircea_popescu any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy, [23:41]
mircea_popescu generally a very poorly implemented one [23:41]
thestringpuller i would love to be taxed at 7% [23:42]
thestringpuller my God what country is that?!? [23:42]
danielpbarron a sim city still set to defaults [23:42]
trinque !b 3 [23:43]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [23:43]
thestringpuller danielpbarron is my all time favorite person now [23:43]
thestringpuller the funny thing is [23:43]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: what country << generally, the 'orc world' where laws aren't actually enforced unless you piss people off [23:43]
thestringpuller that if 7% is still too high for high wealth sims [23:43]
thestringpuller like seriously, high wealth sims are only happy at like 4% [23:43]
thestringpuller your cities fill up with poor people >7% [23:44]
danielpbarron i could never get everyone happy even when i used to glitch to get "MAXINT" currency units [23:44]
thestringpuller keep typing FUNDS. QE infinity. [23:45]
decimation > "And there have always been voices to let market signals determine how farmers planted their crops. Don't make people grow cotton just to maintain their base acres in the cotton program, when the world is crying out for more soybeans to feed itself." [23:45]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( ) [23:45]
asciilifeform where i live, 40% is considered pretty good. [23:45]
thestringpuller this is how I imagined QE though, some d00d at Fed typing "FUNDS FUNDS FUNDS" over again on his computer. [23:45]
decimation asciilifeform: that's not even counting the fact that usd in your 'savings' account is continually thieved [23:45]
asciilifeform decimation: aha [23:45]
asciilifeform speaking just of old-fashioned taxes [23:45]
thestringpuller 401k is a scam [23:45]
thestringpuller and enron ruined pensions for everyone [23:46]
asciilifeform good thing i don't expect to live to pension age [23:46]
decimation I was just looking at the 'mid-cap value' fund from vanguard [23:46]
asciilifeform (nor, in general, should other u.s. folks, unless they're already very old) [23:46]
decimation the 'value' forward p/e was 30! [23:46]
thestringpuller asciilifeform that is depressing! [23:46]
decimation asciilifeform: what are you gonna do? withdraw your retirement with penalty and move to mexico? [23:47]
asciilifeform decimation: what made you think i have anything to withdraw ? [23:47]
decimation asciilifeform: surely you get paid a little extra [23:48]
thestringpuller asciilifeform contribute 0 [23:48]
thestringpuller per paycheck [23:48]
thestringpuller instead his retirement is held in cyborgs and robots [23:48]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: i don't even work at a place where they ask the question any more [23:48]
thestringpuller so you are pretty much robot worker? [23:48]
asciilifeform ? [23:49]
thestringpuller employer treats you like thing and not person [23:49]
asciilifeform neh, sorta the opposite [23:49]
asciilifeform but contractor [23:49]
asciilifeform these get paid in money [23:49]
trinque asciilifeform: even the fall of the soviet union didn't kill off all the former soviets [23:49]
asciilifeform (what passes for money in this part of the world) [23:49]
trinque what do you think is going to kill us off? [23:49]
asciilifeform trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply [23:50]
trinque k [23:50]
asciilifeform trinque: know that no one in the ussr needed to pay rent [23:50]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: hey you're the one who can't spend benjies without setting off alarms. [23:50]
thestringpuller i'm doing just fine with my duffelbag full of cash here. [23:50]
asciilifeform trinque: (a token sum was collected, but no one could be evicted for any reason short of death or having new digs in prison) [23:50]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: i don't get paid in benjies [23:50]
thestringpuller my employer said this is totally normal tho! [23:51]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: but, like most folks in my profession, in 'legit' electric bzollarz [23:51]
asciilifeform for a 'legit' firm, that keeps a single set of books and files taxes, etc [23:51]
thestringpuller that 1099 [23:51]
asciilifeform aha [23:52]
decimation asciilifeform: < rents in the us are nearly 10% YoY in some cities [23:52]
assbot Rents Are Up, and Not Where You Might Expect | Zillow Blog ... ( ) [23:52]
* asciilifeform is aware that we're probably boring the folks outside the u.s. zoolag to tears [23:52]
thestringpuller so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching" [23:52]
thestringpuller d00d would just sell high end weed, and claim it as "consulting services" and would tax that [23:52]
thestringpuller ended up retiring before 40 [23:53]
trinque sure, "computer repair" [23:53]
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thestringpuller d00d even made invoices for his recurring clientelle [23:53]
thestringpuller pretty sure no one went to jail [23:53]
trinque yeah, I'm referring to a former friend of mine [23:53]
trinque "on site computer repair" bullshit [23:54]
asciilifeform laundries are as old as the state itself [23:54]
thestringpuller you can still go to jail for tax evasion [23:54]
thestringpuller US just wants their cut (not like it helps since we are bankrupt) [23:55]
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trinque well... "bankrupt" [23:55]
asciilifeform incidentally, you will not necessarily go to jail - but the duffel bag - will. [23:55]
asciilifeform if ever 'caught' [23:55]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i kno rite?!? [23:55]
thestringpuller so there is new drug unit in west georgia now [23:56]
thestringpuller soul purpose is collecting those duffelbags [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5029 @ 0.00040988 = 2.0613 BTC [+] [23:56]
* assbot gives voice to PeterL [23:56]
thestringpuller in fact it is richest police unit in that county [23:56]
asciilifeform wait till they switch from plain static robbery to racket [23:56]
asciilifeform as always happens in a collapsing police state [23:57]
thestringpuller << it is more of racket now me thinks [23:57]
thestringpuller the "evidence" is probably auctioned off under the table somewhere [23:57]
thestringpuller "The F.I.N.D. Unit has made forty-eight (48) traffic stops that resulted in the detection of bulk cash smugglers." [23:58]
thestringpuller "The total amount of United States Currency seized from the stops is: $13,647,160" << they just want new toys [23:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00040519 = 5.9563 BTC [-] {2} [23:59]
asciilifeform << who can find anything there which isn't a) word salad or b) part of gcc ? [23:59]
assbot Search · gnatelim · GitHub ... ( ) [23:59]
asciilifeform has gnatelim -ever- been fired in anger? [23:59]
asciilifeform by anyone ? [23:59]
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