Forum logs for 02 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-]	[00:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10233 @ 0.00090918 = 9.3036 BTC [-]	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00092071 = 78.2604 BTC [+] {5}	[00:14]
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deadweasel	pankkake: start pumping out altcoins like TAT, maybe you'll pull some off btc ;)	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-an-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-folowers-for-fun-and-profit/	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	i thought they were pumping it together.	[00:30]
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jurov	no xenu. bot good.	[00:39]
jurov	*but	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	hello sir	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	we here at mp house all halal, no xenu at all.	[00:40]
decimation	TAT's altcoin should be ported to work inside Ethereum	[00:40]
decimation	maybe you can trade altcoin for ethers or whatever	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	does that actually require any chances on the coin side ?	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	ethereum can just do it neh ?	[00:41]
jurov	i vote for porting bernankoin	[00:42]
decimation	right, Ethereum just does whatever, because it's turing complete.	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6067 @ 0.00091685 = 5.5625 BTC [-]	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	[17:41] by your definition that makes Altcoin just as purposeless though, right?	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	[17:44] Wrong, i just stated its purpose. Without Altcoin, all altcoins would be purposeless.	[00:46]
deadweasel	and the circle of life goes on.	[00:46]
deadweasel	circle-jerk*	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	my magical future predictive ai (whose name is joan) fails to predict any possible alternative to this thing taking over altspace.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	it's just too stupid for anything else.	[00:47]
Namworld	Wait, in the header. What's the name on the board. It ends with O.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	Namworld some localised monopoly.	[00:48]
Namworld	Looks like it's written "Monopolio". Is that it?	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	i think so	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	spanish or italian or some shit	[00:48]
Namworld	Weird	[00:49]
Namworld	Couldn't they have just changed the y for an i? Monopoli	[00:49]
Namworld	Would have sounded about the same as in english that way.	[00:50]
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mircea_popescu	i suppose when people localise shit how it sounds in english is not a consideration.	[00:50]
nubbins`	netduino	[00:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00095705 = 52.6378 BTC [+] {4}	[00:53]
nubbins`	as an aside, i find "scammor" to be a pleasant, if unintentional, spelling	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	no, it was intentional.	[00:53]
nubbins`	even more pleasant, then	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	hacker - haxxor	[00:54]
pankkake	is that glamor+scammer?	[00:54]
nubbins`	brings me back to a heated grade-school argument over "better" vs "bettor" to describe one who bets	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	scammer - scammor. to distinguish between the fucktard and the person sort-of doing it, technically, but with coolness excuses.	[00:54]
pankkake	so when you get scammed, you can say "at least the guy was good"	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	pankkake ever been with a hooker ?	[00:55]
nubbins`	hookor	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:55]
pankkake	no	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	koh-i-noor	[00:56]
nubbins`	haha	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	well, my next question was, ever been with a hooker you didn't mind paying.	[00:56]
nubbins`	AMAZING PENS	[00:56]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor_Hardtmuth	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	yup. i ate a lot of those.	[00:56]
nubbins`	they're popular with screenprinters who do things the old-school way (ink on vellum)	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	some scams are fun. you go to vegas and drop a coupla grand, whatever, it's an amusement park.	[00:58]
nubbins`	i think most people doing that don't have fun	[00:59]
pankkake	I'm too much of a scrooge to ever pay for those things	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	how are the girls supposed to live if you don't pay ?	[00:59]
nubbins`	scrooge de canard	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	du	[01:00]
nubbins`	right!	[01:00]
nubbins`	it's always the small words that give me trouble	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	scrooge enchaine du canard nue	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	this could actually be a club.	[01:00]
pankkake	neither of you make sense	[01:01]
nubbins`	heh	[01:01]
nubbins`	what, we can't just pick random mots and use them dans a phrase?!	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	they be not random!	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	enchainé, there. happy ?	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	fucking accents and special chars all the time.	[01:01]
nubbins`	^ this	[01:02]
pankkake	maybe it's my throbbing headache	[01:02]
lippoper	.bait is offline? :-(	[01:02]
pankkake	cricital infrastructure down!	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	let's reconstruct this! lmao.	[01:02]
nubbins`	written accents indicate a massive failure	[01:02]
pankkake	yet no one noticed gribble being offline for a few hours	[01:02]
lippoper	lol	[01:02]
nubbins`	tbh i was waiting for an AMAZING COMPANY! earlier	[01:02]
nubbins`	wait, isn't that assbot?	[01:03]
lippoper	Can't go fishing without bait	[01:03]
kakobrekla	maybe assbot is not mac compatible	[01:03]
kakobrekla	i dunno	[01:03]
nubbins`	yeah, maybe ;p	[01:03]
pankkake	assbot is case sensitive	[01:03]
lippoper	assbot needs to start producing some ass bait	[01:03]
pankkake	amazing	[01:03]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:03]
nubbins`	amazIng	[01:03]
pankkake	AMAZiNG	[01:03]
nubbins`	huh.	[01:03]
nubbins`	well then	[01:04]
kakobrekla	is it really?	[01:04]
kakobrekla	AMAZING	[01:04]
lippoper	World's finest!	[01:04]
kakobrekla	it is.	[01:04]
nubbins`	http://mentalunlockdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/The-more-you-know.png	[01:04]
pankkake	I was expecting you to troll us, kakobrekla	[01:04]
pankkake	I am disappoint	[01:04]
kakobrekla	myea	[01:04]
pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/OgXjrGQ.png that timing was amazing though	[01:04]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:04]
kakobrekla	but you expected it , so it wouldnt be fun	[01:04]
nubbins`	separated at birth	[01:05]
nubbins`	(by several thousand miles)	[01:05]
kakobrekla	lol	[01:05]
nubbins`	(and probably several years)	[01:05]
pankkake	XORed at birth	[01:05]
nubbins`	"do you want a vag birth or a c-section?"	[01:05]
nubbins`	"yes, please"	[01:05]
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nubbins`	did i mention earlier about that gut flora article i was reading?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	yes you did.	[01:06]
nubbins`	interesting stuff	[01:06]
lippoper	yes no need to bring it up	[01:06]
nubbins`	the take-away i got from it is that you should smear shit on your newborn if you Aliened it into the world	[01:07]
nubbins`	and no, before you ask, i'm not a doctor	[01:07]
pankkake	just eat on the floor	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	kinda why pre-birth enemas went out of fashion	[01:07]
nubbins`	wow, before my time, i gues	[01:08]
nubbins`	altho TBF even if it wasn't, would i have known?	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	they did it all the way to the ww2.	[01:08]
lippoper	Women stiil had bush	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	specifically to avoid the female "shit on your baby" reflex.	[01:08]
nubbins`	now the child is immediately dipped in Purell hand sanitizer	[01:08]
lippoper	No one really knew what a vag looked like thanks to all the bush	[01:09]
nubbins`	only the men who earned their wings knew, you mean	[01:09]
nubbins`	pankkake, is that a monospace font?	[01:10]
lippoper	there was a lot of troll in the last sentence	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4883001#msg4883001	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	gotta love all the noob posters hardcoring tat.	[01:10]
pankkake	yes. Droid Sans Mono	[01:10]
nubbins`	:(	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, i've had so much fun with this thread these days...	[01:11]
lewicki	WTB Altcoins	[01:11]
nubbins`	"Did I do the math wrong or is this really larger than all other altcoins atm?"	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	pankkake has some.	[01:11]
nubbins`	HAHAHAHAHA	[01:11]
pankkake	I'm not selling!	[01:12]
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mircea_popescu	why not ?	[01:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56001101 BTC [-]	[01:12]
nubbins`	to the ceiling!	[01:12]
pankkake	lol	[01:13]
pankkake	I'm going to convince my dentist to accept it instead	[01:13]
nubbins`	i'm going to convince tat that he needs t-shirts for all	[01:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]	[01:14]
jurov	pankkake: tellhim to add liquuidity to teeht/altcoin market	[01:14]
jurov	*teeth	[01:14]
jurov	derp	[01:15]
pankkake	I will have a used crown soon	[01:15]
lewicki	So, no Altcoins for sale?	[01:15]
jurov	i have altcoin futures	[01:15]
jurov	with bitcoin delivery	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	lewicki apparently the miners don't wanna sell yet.	[01:16]
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Vexual	price is 0.0004 per each	[01:17]
pankkake	> poneytelecom.eu	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly wtf.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	Vexual get on a horse man.	[01:17]
pankkake	haha, that's the Free.fr guys, I knew I saw it earlier	[01:18]
lewicki	that 100k marketcap, yeah, nty	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	lewicki let the diff stabilize some first anyway.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	shoot in the dark at this point	[01:18]
pankkake	I can't find any new block…	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/ << you gotta be kidding me, that's like... how many dogecoins total bet ?	[01:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:19]
Vexual	0.0004 is just south of 1%	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [-]	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	Vexual how many atcs do you have anyway	[01:22]
Vexual	8 blocks	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	that's wat, 400 ?	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	or did it halve already	[01:22]
Vexual	4000	[01:22]
nubbins`	nice	[01:22]
nubbins`	there's your xmas shopping done	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:23]
pankkake	halvings seem very far	[01:23]
Vexual	ima buy me a arcehorse	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	archerhorse ? wow.	[01:23]
nubbins`	call him 'stable'	[01:23]
nubbins`	D;	[01:23]
Vexual	i like it	[01:23]
nubbins`	then release him	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what's it at, 30k blocks ?	[01:23]
Vexual	13k	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	well... if diff is 4k it cant be 13k can it ?	[01:24]
pankkake	262144	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	each retarget is 2k	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	262k wtf ?!	[01:25]
pankkake	yay got 0.00000122 BTC shilling for bitbet	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	like a whole altcoin.	[01:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00090614 = 17.3526 BTC [-]	[01:25]
pankkake	not even a doge :(	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	is a doge over 100 nao?	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	i chose the stats by multiplying 512, and the doing 515 ^ 512	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	[18:22] there's your xmas shopping done <<< lol	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	512 is the altcoininati number for infinity	[01:27]
ThickAsThieves	if you overlap the 5 and the 2 then use the 1 as the connector	[01:27]
ThickAsThieves	do you SEE it?	[01:27]
Vexual	shit, 8	[01:27]
Vexual	infinity upended	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	come to think about it, vexual should be altcoin mascot.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	he's like naturally coelho-ish	[01:28]
Vexual	im busy printing privatekeys under bottlecaps for stripclubs	[01:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]	[01:29]
jurov	vexual what are patrons to do with the caps, again?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	gotta keep busy somehow	[01:31]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.msg4883114#msg4883114 "Can we PLEASE stop supporting cgminer as the mining solution"	[01:31]
Vexual	jurov you let the lass who takes the wire off the bottle keep it	[01:33]
jurov	yes? i thought it's supposed to be put onto striper's body somehow	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.0	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	dude the effort these people put into it.	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00540228 = 5.4023 BTC [-] {17}	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043014 = 0.4301 BTC [-] {4}	[01:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 249 @ 0.00042418 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}	[01:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:37]
ThickAsThieves	very logos	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/C3hxESa.png	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	check out that crazy shit	[01:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[01:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00091541 = 9.1038 BTC [+]	[01:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	Just for the record: Approximate price for 1 ALT should be 0.00000549 BTC or 0.0002 LTC or 0.44 cents.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	(Hashrate is 8900x lower than BTC but in addition to that the reward is also 20.48x higher than BTC.)	[01:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800001 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3}	[01:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.173 = 0.346 BTC [+] {2}	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	gotta love this logic.	[01:43]
Vexual	but when it is the only alt?	[01:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:45]
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Vexual	which it is	[01:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [-]	[01:46]
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Vexual	so theres around 1.2 blocks to the block	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	"My estimate yields market cap 37.5 BTC."	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[01:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 350 @ 0.00042001 = 0.147 BTC [-] {3}	[01:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1745 = 0.349 BTC [+] {2}	[01:51]
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Namworld	37.5 BTC market cap? Amazing!	[01:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 341 @ 0.00082731 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {2}	[01:52]
ThickAsThieves	Value-added!	[01:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00082555 = 0.1222 BTC [-]	[01:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00090884 = 8.4522 BTC [-]	[01:53]
deadweasel	when does it get listed on cryptsy? that's when the others start to die	[01:53]
deadweasel	all flow into 20.48x reward!	[01:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+]	[01:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00082555 = 0.2906 BTC [-]	[01:55]
ThickAsThieves	http://imgur.com/r/Bitcoin/kqrYBFI	[01:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+]	[01:56]
pankkake	wat	[01:56]
Namworld	Even Facebook is showing me ads for gold and silver coins.	[01:56]
Vexual	that cuban took krss lady	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	that's the worst looking crack whore i ever saw.	[01:57]
kleeck	Wasn't that a confirmed paid prostitute?	[01:57]
Vexual	6 confirmations	[01:57]
kleeck	lol	[01:57]
kleeck	Of course.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	don't even want to think about what her skin looked like	[01:57]
kleeck	She wasn't getting through the gate with less than 6.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	poor woman.	[01:58]
kleeck	What a great way to legitimize Bitcoin!	[01:58]
Namworld	Have you ever had so much crack you turned golden from the sheer intake of value into your body?	[01:58]
kleeck	Yes. That was a good year...	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	no, but i've seen girls with spots so bad painting them with a wide brush was the only way.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	o look who's back. when did you get out ?	[01:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[02:00]
deadweasel	that guy can't get farther from her.	[02:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[02:01]
deadweasel	who is that fool?	[02:01]
Vexual	goldfinger	[02:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]	[02:02]
kleeck	:)	[02:02]
kleeck	Good evening to you as well, mircea_popescu. :D	[02:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]	[02:03]
kleeck	Been away for a bit, wanted to focus on my new job for a while. Settled in now so I can bullshit with you guys.	[02:04]
ThickAsThieves	kleeck is smidge, or ?	[02:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2}	[02:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 955 @ 0.00091541 = 0.8742 BTC [+]	[02:06]
kleeck	LOL	[02:07]
kleeck	ThickAsThieves, round 2?	[02:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[02:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[02:07]
kleeck	I missed this channel.	[02:07]
kleeck	Kleeck is TAT, or ?	[02:08]
kleeck	What's the securities drama, guys?	[02:08]
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kleeck	Fill me in.	[02:08]
ThickAsThieves	www.bitcointalk.org	[02:08]
ThickAsThieves	www.trilema.com	[02:09]
ThickAsThieves	http://assass.headfucking.net/	[02:09]
kleeck	Oh god.	[02:09]
ThickAsThieves	now you are all caught up!	[02:09]
kleeck	Don't link me that shiti.	[02:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[02:09]
kleeck	I knew trilema was going to be linked. I just knew it.	[02:09]
ThickAsThieves	no you didnt	[02:10]
kleeck	I did!	[02:10]
kleeck	I even put up a bitbet on it	[02:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] {2}	[02:10]
ThickAsThieves	Evil thought of the moment: Will we eventually see a trend of tricking people into losing their bitcoins? (Decreasing supply)	[02:12]
ThickAsThieves	not scamming, just half-scamming	[02:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000121 = 1.12 BTC [-]	[02:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC {2}	[02:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC	[02:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[02:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[02:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[02:16]
pankkake	the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost	[02:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569894 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {3}	[02:17]
pankkake	(the cost of tricking people)	[02:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]	[02:20]
ThickAsThieves	passive aggressive scamming	[02:21]
Vexual	pankakke selling boobies	[02:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1097 @ 0.00042 = 0.4607 BTC [-] {3}	[02:24]
kleeck	He's got to be selling something, right?	[02:25]
kleeck	Is he done plugging Bitbet every 5 minutes?	[02:25]
Vexual	bow bubudaba	[02:25]
pankkake	I am trying to buy boobies, would be more exact	[02:25]
KRS1	o/ Vexual	[02:25]
Vexual	he	[02:26]
kleeck	Are you bitbetting how many boobies you'll buy/	[02:26]
kleeck	because that's important. You don't really mean anything unless you bitbet it.	[02:26]
pankkake	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#473235	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost << this is kind-of the birth of dragons.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	people who dealt in thousands are going to be quite uninterested in helping idiots misplace their half bitcent	[02:27]
pankkake	as for number of boobies, wise words from http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=35	[02:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2}	[02:27]
pankkake	but even if you have bitcents, people losing bitcents won't make you significantly richer	[02:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00092896 = 29.3551 BTC [+]	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	in this sense people don't use ebay because people sending them 0.0000000000000000000000000001% of all usd won't make them significantly richer	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	you're thinking like a dragon.	[02:29]
pankkake	I believe the discussion was about making others lose, but not lose to you	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	" helping idiots misplace their half bitcent"	[02:30]
Apocalyptic	if you send coins to limbo, every holder profits	[02:30]
pankkake	yes, I am not arguing against that	[02:30]
Apocalyptic	so that's kinda "lose to you" in part at least situation	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	well otherwise, what exatly are the fixed costs to scamming ?	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	or weren't you really referring to what ThickAsThieves was saying ?	[02:31]
pankkake	I feel like no one is understanding each other	[02:32]
Vexual	bow bubudaba	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	lol irc, it happens.	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC	[02:33]
pankkake	MPOE-PR didn't take my bait :(	[02:34]
KRS1	.bait	[02:35]
KRS1	;;seen ozbot	[02:35]
gribble	ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: 2193847870.17428 \| Next Diff in 610 blocks \| Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s	[02:35]
Vexual	bots mining atc	[02:35]
KRS1	wtf mining? I need my baits	[02:35]
Namworld	Found a nice graph. I like it. http://i.imgur.com/1srrQRV.jpg	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	pankkake wha was that ?	[02:36]
Namworld	The heat and feet part makes it.	[02:36]
pankkake	boobs for altcoins	[02:36]
pankkake	the bitcoin part is almost irrelevant	[02:37]
pankkake	what hardware is that?	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	that cryptsy thing looks exactly as retarded as if burnside had come back from the dead.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	is it his ?	[02:38]
Vexual	38gh id say pankkake	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.179 BTC [+]	[02:42]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.cryptsy.com/pages/jobs ahahah best jobs section yet.	[02:43]
Apocalyptic	heh	[02:44]
kleeck	yeah... hilarious..?	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	where you get to "hiring lawyers, with a degree or comparable experience and attention to detail" it becomes quite hilarious.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	perhaps they also sew footballs.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4359 << generally a good read for eager minds and benkay.	[02:47]
pankkake	fucking fuck, "Don't access Project Gutenberg from hosted servers."	[02:48]
pankkake	my IP is hated by half the internet	[02:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[02:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999999 BTC [+]	[02:49]
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Vexual	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_Braille#Hausa_Braille	[02:50]
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Apocalyptic	what happened to ozbot btw ?	[02:54]
Vexual	unfunded?	[02:57]
Apocalyptic	I miss his diff estimates	[02:58]
Vexual	2 hours in 3 days must br fairly close	[02:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17100002 BTC [-]	[02:59]
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KRS1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALvNCbgcKg	[03:03]
KRS1	Birdman - Fire Flame	[03:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08033333 = 0.482 BTC [-] {2}	[03:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00281432 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2}	[03:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC	[03:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00280902 = 0.1152 BTC [-] {4}	[03:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-] {2}	[03:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[03:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17200003 BTC [+]	[03:10]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj-z-BbvlHs	[03:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.17200002 BTC [-]	[03:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-]	[03:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC	[03:13]
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Vexual	.exchange 100 ATC BTC	[03:14]
Vexual	nope	[03:14]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinbigfoot.com/coinapult-sponsors-plan-%E0%B8%BF-brochure-bitcoin-bigfoot/	[03:16]
ThickAsThieves	first time i see the baht in a url	[03:16]
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ThickAsThieves	i cant even read past the CSS	[03:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.172 = 0.688 BTC [-]	[03:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[03:18]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin in html http://nakamotoinstitute.org/bitcoin.html	[03:18]
nubbins`	why the picture of gob bluth in that bigfoot link?	[03:19]
nubbins`	lel, i kid ;(	[03:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00092903 = 2.7601 BTC [+]	[03:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-]	[03:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.00166806 = 2.0017 BTC [+]	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	!t m x.eur	[03:20]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 (1200 shares, 2.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00166114 / 0.00167482 / 0.00170089 (5000 shares, 8.37 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00179463 / 0.002 (20739 shares, 37.22 BTC)	[03:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[03:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.172 = 0.344 BTC [-]	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84995	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	dude! they gave up!	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	this loss for bitcoin retardedness shall never be bridged.	[03:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58700102 = 1.174 BTC [+] {2}	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 850 @ 0.00166806 = 1.4179 BTC [+]	[03:34]
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Vexual	hi benkay, how goes the trivia answers?	[03:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04750011 = 0.2375 BTC [-]	[03:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0475 = 1.14 BTC [-] {2}	[03:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]	[03:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.061 = 0.183 BTC [-]	[03:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999996 BTC [+]	[04:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00448889 = 0.1436 BTC [+] {3}	[04:09]
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diametric	ugh i hate when the channel lights up because my name was said but i was afk long enough for it to disappear on scrollback.	[04:11]
Duffer1	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[04:12]
diametric	ahh yes	[04:13]
Duffer1	^.^	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4886026#msg4886026	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	countdown to joffrey headexplosion in 3..2...	[04:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[04:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.24999999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}	[04:16]
benkay	hewing and hawing?	[04:17]
benkay	chopping and chortling?	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	skippin' an' scrappin'	[04:18]
benkay	would someone kindly a) write my name in channel and b) pm me?	[04:18]
benkay	s/name/handle	[04:18]
Duffer1	benkay	[04:19]
benkay	excellent, thanks Duffer1	[04:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00550211 = 0.4677 BTC [-] {2}	[04:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[04:20]
benkay	what's news, gents?	[04:21]
jurov	benkay pm	[04:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.0055 = 0.869 BTC [-]	[04:23]
jurov	benkay lots of lulz	[04:24]
jurov	half of which i missed cuz trying to code	[04:24]
jurov	benaky	[04:24]
benkay	o you should offload that	[04:24]
jurov	*benkay	[04:24]
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jurov	;;tell benkay benkay	[04:24]
benkay	rewrite coinbr in clojure and i'll take it off your hands	[04:25]
benkay	;;tell jurov jurov	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	clojure is a thing now ?!	[04:25]
benkay	lisp devours all	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	(o(k))	[04:26]
jurov	yes, we can do, there's convertor from python :DDD	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha automated conversions to lisp are the tits.	[04:26]
jurov	(,)(,)	[04:27]
benkay	i'd love to see the 'turing equivalent conversion' of a python class tangle to lisp	[04:27]
benkay	har lisp is tits!	[04:27]
jurov	haha zactly.sqlalchemy is practically built out of class tangle, i just started to understand it	[04:29]
jurov	(un)fortunately, it seems equally impenetrable to pentesters	[04:30]
benkay	OOP as security	[04:30]
jurov	only now, after a year some figured out how to reach json decoder	[04:30]
jurov	which isn't actually used for anything	[04:30]
benkay	what did the attacks look like?	[04:31]
jurov	malformed utf, sql injections, various tries to subvert int(function)	[04:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.24999996 BTC [-]	[04:31]
benkay	(much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Vexual, but my pattern-finding is getting better and faster)	[04:32]
benkay	Vexual: I also found the instrument mircea_popescu put together to go short pirateat40	[04:33]
benkay	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77268.msg858592#msg858592	[04:33]
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mircea_popescu	benkay wd	[04:33]
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jurov	oh and people try acunetix all the time.. if someone knows of acunetix exploit, talk to me	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	heh half my trilema errorlog is full of that	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	kidz be haxing into the credits yo	[04:37]
benkay	so MP how did PPTAPR/MAY work out for you? you underwrote what i understand to be insurance against BS&T and I imagine sold it for more than the .00128 face value?	[04:39]
benkay	dah do'h no it only paid out if bs&t didn't have a credit event	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	right	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	it actually worked great because ppl bought huge	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	then i dun recall what stupid sidestep they did and ppl panicked	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	sold into my lowball buys	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	was like a week the whole thing	[04:41]
Duffer1	MPOE-PR: taking people down a few pegs, even if they only started with 2	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pankkake seems atc has a quite solid bottom in nao.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	and it didn't even cost me that much btc	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	lolz.	[04:44]
herbijudlestoids	afternoon fellows	[04:45]
benkay	altcoin is a thing now?	[04:45]
herbijudlestoids	what a saturday night!	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	benkay they drug me into it.	[04:45]
benkay	someone save some for me	[04:45]
benkay	i'm too busy doing historical research to mine the -asset altcoin	[04:45]
benkay	goddamnit i'm going to die broke with a donation address on my blog	[04:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18512 @ 0.00093125 = 17.2393 BTC [+]	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	so help you.	[04:47]
jurov	cuz your toolchain is dusty and thus nobody can pay you	[04:47]
benkay	jurov my bitcoins are safe in your keeping.	[04:47]
benkay	HA	[04:48]
benkay	best wallet ever	[04:48]
benkay	GPG contracts with trusted individuals.	[04:48]
pankkake	someone sold altcoins?	[04:48]
jurov	don't provocate, or i'll sell the contract to mircea	[04:49]
jurov	like he offered yest	[04:49]
benkay	have at	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	wait, what did i offer ?	[04:49]
benkay	nothing would please me more than for mp to owe me btc	[04:49]
benkay	wait that's not true at all	[04:49]
benkay	definitely up there though	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	lol so lend me a btc.	[04:50]
benkay	;;gettrust mircea_popescu	[04:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu \| Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011	[04:51]
herbijudlestoids	so, todays "i hope this even remotely is interesting" timeseries is the un-annualised rolling 20 tick volatility of 20 tick returns for ~1wk http://imgur.com/ncCX4Mq	[04:51]
benkay	;;gettrust jurov	[04:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=jurov \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov \| Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012	[04:51]
benkay	i can't deal with either of you right now :(	[04:51]
herbijudlestoids	obviously some timestamps would make this more useful	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[04:52]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#471309 this was mircea's offer	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	also bear in mind it's a scam as per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103	[04:52]
benkay	how does that thread have 14 pages!?	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	because of all the arguments.	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00092903 = 11.1484 BTC [-]	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i think it'll be much more interesting in 1-2 monmths, that thing	[04:54]
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jurov	;;eauth jurov	[04:56]
gribble	Request successful for user jurov, hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/677ABD62D0AEE7D7	[04:56]
jurov	gribble why won't you respond in pm?	[04:56]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: yes, i guess what im trying to do right now is see what needs to happen in my data processing scripts etc to make this automated and easy for me	[04:56]
herbijudlestoids	right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, id like to just get an email of the graphics	[04:56]
herbijudlestoids	hopefully you guys dont mind me spamming various images until then :P	[04:57]
jurov	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:072aced25f3df57050d15f4a1727256a97805396c485d39121f254cc	[04:57]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7	[04:57]
benkay	mircea_popescu: you're welcome to assume jurov's debt to me. i don't think i even get a say.	[04:57]
herbijudlestoids	for example today i learned i need to rbind with timestamps in the timeseries	[04:57]
jurov	lol	[04:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25215 @ 0.00092893 = 23.423 BTC [-] {4}	[04:58]
jurov	;;rate benkay 1 good work on mpex missing manual	[04:59]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	benkay i was just dicking around lol	[04:59]
benkay	well like i said i don't think i even get a say	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids nope. alos, cron does wonders	[04:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[05:00]
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jurov	;;rate Vexual 1 good music and fun overall	[05:02]
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jurov	kick him	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	wtf	[05:03]
Vexual	ouchie	[05:03]
jurov	;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his shit	[05:03]
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jurov	;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his stuff	[05:04]
jurov	ok ok i'm done	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has not been recorded because shit.	[05:05]
jurov	:/	[05:05]
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KRS1	ethereum looks like a really strong project	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	i never really looked into it	[05:08]
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jurov	;;rate davout 3	[05:10]
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jurov	forgot anyone?	[05:11]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: hmm not sure i understood what you mean? all i was saying is i need to work the timestamps into my script so that R correctly interprets them and makes it easy for me to have timestamped graphs	[05:12]
jurov	;;rate scrat 2	[05:12]
herbijudlestoids	the timestamps are actually being recorded by the irc bot	[05:12]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids> right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, <<	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov so are you now running coinroll ?	[05:15]
jurov	yes almost	[05:15]
jurov	it was complicated process and still not finished	[05:15]
herbijudlestoids	this interview is supposedly about decentralisation of energy but seems to cover the idea that crowdfunding, p2p lending etc: "Even the assistant director general of the Bank of England, Andy Haldane has said this is showing signs of becoming such a trend, such a potential mega-trend, that it could disenfranchise the main banks, the high street banks in the way that I think some of these trends in renewable energy	[05:17]
herbijudlestoids	i guess this is the article he was referencing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9749573/Crowdfunding-could-revolutionise-lending-says-Andrew-Haldane.html	[05:20]
herbijudlestoids	definitely considering the aggregate demand for junk bonds it does seem there is a lot of stupid people out there willing to fund anything	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	imo "crowdfunding" as in, kickfunder etc is a fad not unlike social media.	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	then again, i'm the god of bias.	[05:21]
herbijudlestoids	i personally dont disagree, but interesting to hear someone from BoE say that technology could kill banking	[05:21]
herbijudlestoids	i guess its probly more efficient for the economy for people to fund bad ideas directly than have to buy junk bonds in the bad ideas	[05:22]
lewicki	not if they all commit suicide first...	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah, interesting to me too. in the following sense : a londoner goes to the country, and upon hearing a goose meow he expresses his astonishment : listen to the cock neigh!	[05:22]
Duffer1	i wish people would stop throwing money at kickstarters	[05:22]
Duffer1	until kickstarters start offering equity	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway. bad ideas being funded is a serious problem for any society.	[05:23]
herbijudlestoids	they cant offer equity	[05:23]
herbijudlestoids	if they offer equity then they fall under the various financial regulations	[05:23]
Vexual	http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19d2au_jonwayne-the-come-up-ft-scoop-deville_lifestyle	[05:23]
herbijudlestoids	basically they need to list on MPOE :P	[05:23]
Duffer1	hehe	[05:23]
Duffer1	i'd love to see that	[05:24]
herbijudlestoids	somehow i doubt most kickstarters would be considered viable by mircea_popescu for listing though :P	[05:24]
Duffer1	exactly	[05:24]
herbijudlestoids	i wish cunts would stop hyping bitcloud :(	[05:25]
Vexual	whats bitcloud?	[05:26]
herbijudlestoids	approx the same idea as urbit or tornet, rehyped and the tech media are cum guzzling it hard	[05:26]
Vexual	ah	[05:26]
herbijudlestoids	except the difference is both urbit and tornet actually have some code committed somewhere	[05:27]
herbijudlestoids	bitcloud has nothing.	[05:27]
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mircea_popescu	but bitcloud has bit and cloud	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	you understand nothing	[05:27]
Vexual	sounds good	[05:27]
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mircea_popescu	actually, did moldbug&co ever manage to stop urbit from crashing ?	[05:27]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: my official job title is Director of Cloud Operations, so i like to think i know something :)	[05:27]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids something you may know, but this is hindering you from seeing the true pure beauty of Bit and Cloud!	[05:28]
benkay	mircea_popescu: it's somewhat less leaky and crashy	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	if you had done nothing but reddit, retardopedia and lesssex for the past two decades...	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	benkay so how long has it been online currently ?	[05:28]
benkay	hah got me	[05:29]
benkay	and what do you mean by "online" and "long"?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	ok, did it crash in the current month ?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[05:29]
herbijudlestoids	has anyone come up with any useful use cases for urbit? all i could think of was a mutt clone lol	[05:29]
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benkay	since last universe reset or whatever they call it?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[05:30]
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Vexual	i think bitcloud should be a proof of work image board with extra stenography	[05:31]
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Vexual	or a small amount of visible water vapour in the sky	[05:32]
Duffer1	ya there's a reason why mpoe-pr recommends taking a year off to read first :P	[05:32]
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jurov	Vexual: steganography	[05:33]
Vexual	ty jurov	[05:33]
herbijudlestoids	god fucken damnit...just saw bitalpha.com	[05:34]
herbijudlestoids	btcalpha.com even	[05:34]
herbijudlestoids	stupid postmodern internet	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	what;'s wrong with it ?	[05:34]
Vexual	too tumbler	[05:34]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: nothing, its just kind of what i would like to do :P	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ << see here herbijudlestoids, avoid such surprises.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	it's actually mike's blog.	[05:35]
jurov	have you seen live.coinbr.com ? it's timeless :DDDD	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	i linked him earlier iirc	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	one of the things i enjoy most about bitcoin is all the shit people don't know. ot	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	it's like... :D	[05:36]
Vexual	thats me	[05:36]
Vexual	im waiting for benkays cheat sheet	[05:36]
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herbijudlestoids	yo, so based on the bitcointalk forum, which is i assume populated by heavily qualified financial analysts, wasnt the price of MPOE supposed to be "negative" this morning?	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	i was looking forward to scooping up the entire company	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	and having mircea_popescu pay me for the privilege	[05:37]
Vexual	snooze you lose	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	^	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	did you already buy it Vexual ?	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	can i buy it off you for -3BTC?	[05:37]
Vexual	mpoe?	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	Vexual at the rate benkay is posting on that cascade of his, the cheatsheet will need a flatbed truck.	[05:38]
Vexual	ah the trivia list	[05:38]
Vexual	no i didnt buy it	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	also, benkay baby, more naked girl / dressed pitbull pics. you've lernered nothing off trilema ?	[05:38]
Vexual	i was hoping it would be free then returned in kind	[05:38]
Vexual	but i should pay for it more than mp should	[05:39]
Vexual	hes already got it in his head	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	all i have is like these altcoins	[05:39]
jurov	benkay is actually paid in debts	[05:39]
jurov	Vexual so you should make one first	[05:40]
Vexual	hes gonna pop out overed in gold	[05:40]
Vexual	one what?	[05:40]
herbijudlestoids	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ArXcPfoCIAE1r0G.jpg	[05:40]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids did you see all the failed darknet drug marketplaces btw ?	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	speaking of php. the stuff had me in a state of ptss for a few hours	[05:41]
Vexual	wait if bitwasp gets finished, that'll be like altcoin pools of drug markets	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471866 <	[05:41]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i did, after reading about how silk road went down they wer eall so fucking stupid	[05:42]
herbijudlestoids	but there is a new one i read about, running on i2p	[05:42]
herbijudlestoids	sounds much more secure	[05:42]
Apocalyptic	security-wise it's a disaster	[05:42]
herbijudlestoids	this one http://www.dailydot.com/crime/deep-web-black-markets-beyond-tor-i2p/	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	lay it on us Apocalyptic	[05:42]
herbijudlestoids	"The Marketplace"	[05:42]
herbijudlestoids	if they manage to take that one down i will be impressed	[05:43]
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Apocalyptic	it appears that almost every new marketplace is prone to basic SQL injections	[05:44]
herbijudlestoids	lol	[05:44]
Apocalyptic	more drama on that on #bitcoin-hidden everyday	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	anything specific about this i2p thing ?	[05:45]
herbijudlestoids	asking me?	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	no, Apocalyptic	[05:46]
Apocalyptic	not that I recall of, let me grep the logs	[05:47]
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herbijudlestoids	at least judging from that article, it sounds like th eguys who set it up have tried their hardest to learn from the failures of the other morons	[05:47]
herbijudlestoids	i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor	[05:47]
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mircea_popescu	why not ?	[05:48]
Vexual	the real dpr is in tokyo stinking of ylang ylang	[05:48]
TomServo	I really hope so.	[05:48]
TomServo	Like herbijudlestoids said.. it's sad otherwise.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	i thought he was with elvis	[05:49]
Vexual	poor zombie tho	[05:49]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i just kind of assumed that anyone who wanted to setup a website like that might be the kind of person who knows even the first thing about security	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you know, this entire generation of twentyspomething fuckups strictly exists because we keep presuming.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	exactly these types of presumtpions. they're like some mutant cockroaches which have somehow adapted to live in the cracks of this presumption.	[05:50]
herbijudlestoids	yep, well you can bet the big vendors on those sites are now doing their "security due diligence" before they list products on a given market	[05:50]
Apocalyptic	i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor // then you won't believe this	[05:50]
Apocalyptic	http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/29/cantina-marketplace-pwnd-admin-password-was-password1/	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you can bet no such thing.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	you know, no ammount of salmon being eaten by bears makes the salmon wear fucking german ww1 helmets.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	they just take their chances. they survive by schooling.	[05:51]
Vexual	cool ones do	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	that's your us druggies.	[05:51]
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jurov	it's not just twentysomethings. the password for national office that gives security clearances	[05:52]
herbijudlestoids	lullllllwut Apocalyptic	[05:52]
jurov	was "mbusr123"	[05:52]
jurov	guess what was the office named	[05:52]
Vexual	maoney bursary	[05:52]
Vexual	?	[05:52]
jurov	NBU SR	[05:53]
jurov	and the pass was nbusr123	[05:53]
Vexual	ah	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[05:53]
herbijudlestoids	HAHA	[05:53]
Vexual	little bit mafia there with the trascription	[05:53]
herbijudlestoids	im still reading	[05:53]
Apocalyptic	herbijudlestoids, that's the state of the average marketplace out there	[05:54]
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Apocalyptic	just unreal	[05:54]
herbijudlestoids	baaaa	[05:54]
herbijudlestoids	i guess the barrier to entry is just too low	[05:54]
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Vexual	if i wanted to use doog drugs id move to addis abar and have excellent herbal amphetamines	[05:55]
Vexual	*good	[05:56]
Vexual	coffee and khat	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you know that's the exact link i gave you earlier in the logs :D	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	but yes. freedom = no barrier to entry = chaos. nttawwt.	[05:57]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: which link? i happen to be retarded and often forget things that i dont immediately note down	[05:58]
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herbijudlestoids	iv got "So this urbit thing" and "People have made blogs" saved in my list, as well as "The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with" because i wanna see the photo of MPOE-PR :P	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#471866 <	[06:01]
herbijudlestoids	ah right right	[06:01]
herbijudlestoids	i see	[06:01]
herbijudlestoids	my main concern is if you setup a legit, correctly secured darknet site, its just going to make you an even bigger target for the NSA really	[06:02]
herbijudlestoids	youll be going up against a very scary adversary who will hand your details over to the FBI or local equivalent as soon as they de-anon your server	[06:03]
herbijudlestoids	not sure the risk/reward is skewed in your favor	[06:03]
Vexual	or visa versa	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	why would you be in the us ?	[06:03]
Apocalyptic	^	[06:03]
herbijudlestoids	why would your location matter to the NSA?	[06:04]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLixRMmzsy4	[06:04]
herbijudlestoids	in fact being in the US is pretty much the only legal defense against NSA spying lol	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[06:04]
Vexual	:)	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	1. nsa is nowhere near as competent as they'd like you believe	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	2. most jurisdictions couldn't give less of a shit about the us and its problems.	[06:05]
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mircea_popescu	the idea is to implement technically sound solutions. this means god himself can not de-anon your server.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	if you can't do that, you've got little business doing it in the first place.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	it'd be like bitcoin relying not on chain but on people being nice to each other.	[06:06]
Apocalyptic	i really don't see HK or Russia extradite a drug marketplace owner	[06:06]
Vexual	make it cant break it only existed very recently	[06:06]
herbijudlestoids	the way i see it workin gis something like this: FBI discovers new online drug marketplace, probably tipped off from dutch intelligence or similar agency who actually has the knowhow. they poke it, cant de-anon it, and so they call up the NSA to take a poke. initial pokes are unsuccessful so they go all out against it.	[06:08]
herbijudlestoids	somehow i feel like the NSA is probably quite competent enough considering the resources at their disposal ;)	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	except they have a list of things to do	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	and a list of people that can do it.	[06:08]
Vexual	yeah snowden tok it with him	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	and the worst morale in the history of secret servicing.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	now... the 2nd list is always shorter.	[06:09]
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mircea_popescu	and so... no. they don't have the resources to anytihng.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	besides, the nsa is dead. the us is scrambling to create a new, actually secret replacement, while pretending nsa is still a thing.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	that puts further pressure on the manpower available.	[06:09]
herbijudlestoids	s/NSA/5eyes spy conglomerate	[06:09]
herbijudlestoids	when i say NSA i dont mean NSA so much as any sigint that has permissions for global ops	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	you work in hosting, right ? how many competent sysadmins are there, that you can actually motivate to do the job ?	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	and how many jobs need doing ?	[06:10]
Vexual	none	[06:10]
herbijudlestoids	true that unemployment for good ops is very low to nonexistent in our particular sector atm	[06:11]
herbijudlestoids	mostly i write the puppet modules and we hire meatsacks to watch errors	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	so then what do you think, the problem eases as you go up ?	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't ease. it aggravates.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	what particular sector ? it's the same all through. how many db experts are there ?	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	what atm ? it's been the case since 1960.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	smart people are few and far between. things they can do are the grass o nthe fields. monstrous socialist regimes have this problem compounded by the fact that they're only popular with idiots.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	the us may hire as many Fargo policewomen as it can pay.	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	i'd be surprised if it can currently hire any ONE of the top five crackers in any field.	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	even if it had infinite money, which it clearly does not.	[06:14]
Vexual	they already been to hawaii and smoked the pakalolo for more than 100kpa	[06:15]
KRS1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUZlzd37sI	[06:15]
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Vexual	it was written 1000s or years ago	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/is-your-money-safe-at-the-bank-an-economist-says-no-and-withdraws-his/	[06:18]
Vexual	o/	[06:18]
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herbijudlestoids	haha i saw that	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	"Someone should start a bank (or maybe someone has) that charges (rather than pays) interest and does not make loans. "	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	this is what, amsterdamsche wisselbank	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	fucktards with their "let's make the world fair" as if it weren't managed to bomb us all the fucking way to the stone age.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	the once glorious wester civilisation has to restart at fucking 1600 ?!	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	flay a libertard alive today. he's earned it. then salt the wounds and make his mother watch.	[06:21]
Vexual	pay a nigerian	[06:22]
herbijudlestoids	in early 2009 when FASB changed the rules from mark to market, to mark to unicorn, it was obvious what was going on if it wasnt already. the banks are by "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles", completely insolvent.	[06:23]
herbijudlestoids	so i dunno why this guy is bothering to talk about leverage and FDIC insurance lol	[06:23]
herbijudlestoids	due diligence shows the banks as failed capitalist enterprises	[06:23]
herbijudlestoids	dun need to go further than that.	[06:23]
Duffer1	fdic insurance is probably about the only thing the average american derp understands about banking	[06:24]
Duffer1	he's jsut using it as an example to highlight a point, smart guy knows his audience	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	im with d.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	this is just damage control anyway. most of the deposits belong to companies, which a) are legally required to keep their funds in a bank and b) are not insured anyway.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	you think the cypriots had it bad... watch till it happens in the us.	[06:26]
herbijudlestoids	ye	[06:26]
Vexual	so mpoe	[06:26]
decimation	it's all the idiocy of maturity transformation	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bank-steals-deposit.png	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	that's how it looks	[06:26]
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herbijudlestoids	i hear that NEO and BEE setup btc financial services in cyprus and opened recently	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ since we're on it	[06:27]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBKowgK41E0	[06:28]
Duffer1	neo&bee is open?	[06:28]
herbijudlestoids	dunno, thats just what i heard today	[06:28]
Vexual	legals still taking money they cant afford to pay unemploed builders at any price	[06:28]
Vexual	id be getting free rent	[06:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00093239 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {2}	[06:29]
Vexual	lpanned to open march i think?	[06:30]
Vexual	i expect tellers with broken computers and a stopwork from govt	[06:31]
Vexual	shoulda been in berlin	[06:31]
herbijudlestoids	so are you buying shares then Vexual?	[06:31]
Vexual	no	[06:32]
Vexual	then berlin, then that awful volcano	[06:32]
Vexual	*frankfurt	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	whats the opinion on havelock investments?	[06:34]
Vexual	seems to work	[06:34]
Vexual	verily don't listen to me tho	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=31	[06:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00093389 = 17.0902 BTC [+]	[06:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i hereby demand to be gassed by the new, spiffy, Meta-NSA, rather than the tired old one.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	glwt.	[06:48]
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decimation	where are its headquarters?	[06:49]
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Vexual	prolly not cuba so you can't have fun if you get busted out by someone mp sent	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/dOOTKA0aGI0	[06:49]
asciilifeform	decimation: on a subterrine.	[06:49]
decimation	I particularly like that this sketch shows them digging, thus mocking the idiots who tried to setup an idiot commune during the English civil war	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	subterrine de gascogne	[06:50]
herbijudlestoids	i love dennis	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	shit i got the wrong sketch	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk << i meant this one	[06:51]
decimation	I donno, how are they going to attact elite coders to work in a hole?	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation that's where the gascogne comes into play.	[06:52]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers	[06:52]
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decimation	sounds dubiously competent for the usg	[06:53]
asciilifeform	http://spox.ru/cache/imagemanager/2559156.jpg	[06:53]
Vexual	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_%28soldier%29	[06:53]
Vexual	thats a shit sub	[06:53]
decimation	lol maybe they can dig a tunnel to the uk while they work	[06:53]
Vexual	yeah but you wont do x knots	[06:54]
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herbijudlestoids	if i went around, saying i was emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me...	[06:54]
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Duffer1	moistened bint is my new favorite pejorative	[06:55]
Vexual	fast or quiet, those are the options	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	put a dint in the bint like you don't care...	[06:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[06:57]
Vexual	or, you can forgo the urnanium powered steam, and be noisy and slow	[06:58]
Vexual	which is in fact the only option	[06:58]
Vexual	also your parrot is dead	[06:58]
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Vexual	its not unreasonably slow sir	[07:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43851 @ 0.00093235 = 40.8845 BTC [-]	[07:02]
Vexual	in two teths of the time it takes an a 380 to fly round the world you could be to cuba and back	[07:03]
Vexual	provided you set out from the modern spanish main	[07:03]
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Vexual	or just roll around in the pacific and its all cool	[07:06]
Vexual	ive seen the rooster tail off one of those nuke subs and ill tell you they are well fast even on the surface	[07:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26966 @ 0.00093421 = 25.1919 BTC [+] {3}	[07:08]
herbijudlestoids	so	[07:08]
herbijudlestoids	has anyone heard of reggie middletons ultra coin, not to be confused with ultracoin the altcoin?	[07:09]
herbijudlestoids	http://www.zerotrustdigitalmoney.com/	[07:09]
herbijudlestoids	something like zerocoin i guess	[07:09]
Duffer1	i haven't been able to read the altcoin forums since coingen came out	[07:09]
herbijudlestoids	looks like: http://boombustblog.com/images/stories/Bitcoin/Untitled.png (apparently)	[07:09]
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KRS1	herbijudlestoids: I'd like to know more about that screenshot	[07:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 992 @ 0.000405 = 0.4018 BTC [-] {4}	[07:16]
herbijudlestoids	KRS1: from what i understand its using zero trust contracts in a closed bitcoin system to do financial obligations (basically)	[07:16]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2q6_GM9zs	[07:17]
herbijudlestoids	im watchin the youtube video about it now, seems like he has hired some indian guy to do the coding and the explanation video is just a skype screencast of him showing reggie what he has paid for	[07:18]
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Vexual	codemonekys	[07:18]
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herbijudlestoids	confusing because there is an alt called ultracoin that has nothing to do with it	[07:20]
Vexual	thats why theres altcoin	[07:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00093431 = 27.1884 BTC [+]	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids have heard, yea. sort-of ripple/ot/etc	[07:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29570 @ 0.00093431 = 27.6275 BTC [+]	[07:27]
herbijudlestoids	seems a bit vapey right now? i tried to reg for the forum but doesnt work etc	[07:29]
herbijudlestoids	opinion?	[07:29]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Ofl8IRf7o	[07:29]
herbijudlestoids	seems approx equv to the idea of p2pex, implemented with zero trust	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't seem like anything, tbh.	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	lot of hype, no actual subtance that i so far noticed.	[07:31]
Vexual	lasbians	[07:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12261 @ 0.00093235 = 11.4315 BTC [-]	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	"Here's the latest Max Keiser in which he and Stacey Herbert to a good job of explaining what I have in mind. " this sort of thing will instakill any project, for instance.	[07:32]
herbijudlestoids	truth	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	in general, a large number of fluffers are trying to scam various particular venues. there's all the dorks pretending like they have projects for the benefit of the clueless va market.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	there's all the various scammers trying to peel the eager youth public	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	on it goes.	[07:33]
Vexual	are you gonna do mpex forever mp?	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	probably not.	[07:34]
Vexual	who could manage it	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/	[07:34]
Vexual	could someone?	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[07:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	maybe this year i cut a deal with a large bank. or maybe i buy one. or maybe next year. or who knows	[07:35]
herbijudlestoids	sweet accounting gimix from italy today http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-01/italy-enacts-most-bizarre-bank-bailout-yet	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	i'm not even 40 yet. there's plenty of time.	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	haha yea i saw that. ppl were like... headshake and backing up	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	you should buy the worlds oldest bank! monte dei paschi di siena	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BMPS:IM	[07:37]
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mircea_popescu	not particularly strong.	[07:38]
decimation	what's the point of owning a fiat bank?	[07:38]
Vexual	old monmey and contacts	[07:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34461 @ 0.00093228 = 32.1273 BTC [-] {2}	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	that you can tell the government of X irrelevant country to either adapt its enforcement to what you do or else prepare for eating treebark	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	like hsbc sent the usg packing	[07:39]
herbijudlestoids	i dun think you can afford a strong bank, thats why i suggested one of the weaklings :P	[07:39]
decimation	all the banks are poor in bitcoin	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	i don't need a weakling.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	and on the strength of having grown from 10mn to 1bn in ayear, i can literally afford anything.	[07:40]
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mircea_popescu	in the current situation, the only reason i conceivably could not lbo a bank with 100trn in "assets"	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	is that the people supposed to finance lbos are either poor or stupid.	[07:40]
decimation	seems like bank ownership would come with all kinds of soveirgn meddling	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thickasthieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4887312#msg4887312 << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC.	[07:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:42]
Vexual	you might have a son in the next few years mp	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation obviously it'd be a complex matter.	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the actual reason would be, of course, that the last thing any one government wants is me at the helm of a huge fiat bank.	[07:43]
decimation	I agree at some point it will happen. In fact, at some point banks will be begging for the bitcoin rich to tell them what to do	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	they'd rather not eat all that much treebark if at all possible.	[07:43]
Vexual	well if mpex is anything to go by, youd own a priavte bank	[07:43]
Vexual	and still be the goto guy for bitcoin shit	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	Vexual 500 dollars a year to bank there and no further fees.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	tell me you wouldn't use it.	[07:44]
Vexual	i cant tell you that	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	unlike the children spending their lunchbreak on bitcointalk, irl people actually have to like... you know, pay the rent and shit	[07:44]
Vexual	i imagine youd still use mpex too	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	yes. you'd need gpg for internet banking.	[07:45]
decimation	I would pay if I could get 100% backed deposits in whatever currency I'm banking	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation well is it a bank or is it money storage ?	[07:45]
decimation	money storage for me	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	you could have that, i dun see why not.	[07:45]
decimation	with a convienent loan-matchmaking system	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	course at least for psychological reasons it's prolly better to have the storage and the banking business separated.	[07:46]
herbijudlestoids	how about the bank that lets you choose what rate you are willing to loan your money out at	[07:47]
decimation	the hilarious thing is that the fiat gov't would think they have leverage over you	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	decimation folks love to think this, story of my life.	[07:47]
herbijudlestoids	if you choose, say, 0% it cant loan the money out, at 0.5% only low risk investments, etc	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids maybe. the problem here is this : the more choice you give people, the more fuckwited they are and the more scams you enable.	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	so in practice you want to either give all choice or no choice.	[07:48]
decimation	you can have a fractional subsidary for the idiots to bank with	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	sorta like you can either be male or female. have to pick one.	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	there's no gender-ambiguous connector.	[07:49]
decimation	"why don't my checking account pay interest?" etc	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	realistically, there should be no bitcoin bank, doesnt seem necessary as long as there is a highly liquid market for bitcoin duration notes and bonds, like 10,30,90 day 2,5,7,y bonds	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	the note market is much more difficult than meets the eye.	[07:49]
Vexual	why isnt my coal mine making money? it is now	[07:49]
Vexual	coz powerplant and shit	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	look at that, paschi di siena is on hte pinksheets now.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	maddof helped them so.	[07:51]
decimation	the bank would provide research and screening of businesses wanting loans, as well as negotiating terms for classes of investors	[07:51]
decimation	ie a real finiancial middleman in the proper sense	[07:51]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCE3Ge4bCLk	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	decimation you'll never be able to hire.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	how do you think i'll be able to coerce herbi here to do all that legwork for your blind "classes"	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	when he could just as well set up shop for himself.	[07:52]
Vexual	yeah herbi got it, hes a surity	[07:53]
decimation	there will be people who just wanna have some passive income, and will be willing to pay the bank fees to make sure the deal is reasonable	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	you still won't be able to hire.	[07:54]
herbijudlestoids	decimation: why cant any business wanting loans list a bond and their financial deets and allow me to quantify them and bid in the free market on their rate?	[07:54]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids why do you need a bank to interface your etrade account ?	[07:54]
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herbijudlestoids	pls adjust your analogies for australia retards	[07:55]
decimation	MP, as in you won't be able to find anyone who is qualified to make these kinds of subjective creditworthiness judgements?	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation not for any price youll afford to pay.	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i just mean that if you want to dd on your own you can't possibly need a bank for any purpose.	[07:55]
Vexual	etrade is a stock broker here u know mp?	[07:56]
decimation	Well, you certainly wouldn't find anyone qualified working for banks today. He/she would have to be grown from scratch somehow.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation so then you try to "make it work" which means you push both ends and then a decade down the road your shitty officers bring about a crisis of unheard magnitude	[07:56]
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mircea_popescu	what, you think financial top management particularly WANTED a crisis ?	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	Vexual yes.	[07:57]
Vexual	thought so	[07:57]
KRS1	herbijudlestoids>: he's finding the contracts in the blockchain?	[07:57]
KRS1	looks like theres also a rating to them	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	that's my point. if he wants a self-service thing he doesn't need the bank to anything.	[07:57]
decimation	I'm not sure the crisis would be of the same magnitude as what fiat banks have gotten into	[07:58]
herbijudlestoids	well what would i need the bank for, if i can for example loan 10 day money in a liquid market to some business directly, and then when i need some money sell the appropriate amout of 10 day loans back into the mkt?	[07:58]
KRS1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JhsUFuqbCM	[07:58]
decimation	but you certainly could lose alot of money on idiocy	[07:58]
decimation	what if you wanted to divide a loan amoung a few others to reduce the risk?	[08:00]
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mircea_popescu	decimation you want sane business models at all times. this one you're contemplating proposes to make 10 dollar steaks out of nine meat. that leftover dollar isn't enough to hire anything but mcdonalds staff. which won't make what you want.	[08:00]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yes. if you want to do all the work, you don't need someone to do the work for a group of "you".	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	if you want to cut wood and feed stoves, "town heating services" aren't useful to you.	[08:01]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: marginal savers can do the legwork and rest of the market can take the interest rate as the signal	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	this is the path to disaster.	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	it's basically the equivalent of driving a car by touch.	[08:02]
herbijudlestoids	decimation: im assuming the loan granularity is extremely fine so you can loan your bitcoins equally amongst them or however you like...	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : loan granularity only becomes fine in systems which well handle coarse.	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	if you need fineness as an input your system is thereby aborted.	[08:02]
decimation	That sounds like alot of work for investors and businesses alike	[08:03]
decimation	But I guess the work has to exist somewhere	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	this is kind of the general point here : you ignore workload at your peril. sooner or later it will punish you.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	the later the worse.	[08:03]
herbijudlestoids	the businesses have to do nothing except list the bond and their verifiably true financials	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	sadly there is no such thing as a "verifiable true financial"	[08:04]
decimation	I guess I'm pushing it into the black boxed labeld "competent bank", and you are saying such a bank would have to charge enormous fees to employ the right people	[08:04]
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herbijudlestoids	ye	[08:04]
herbijudlestoids	thereby compressing any profit margin	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	decimation something like that. you're basically saying "it should be done", like a govt.	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	well... that's fine but it doesn't actually work.	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	you know how they pass laws going "nothing in the foregoing should be construed as doing X" ?	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	that's wishful thinking in a bowstring. what the fuck.	[08:05]
decimation	That's in nearly all us laws now	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	"nothing i do now should be construed as rape" pow smack riiiip	[08:06]
Duffer1	!bash 1	[08:06]
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decimation	Well, at least my "competent bank" would be better than current gov't and banks because the liabilities would be explicit and clear	[08:07]
Duffer1	^.^	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	they won't stauy explicit and clear	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	everyone involved has a definite interest to muddy them	[08:07]
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mircea_popescu	because your model fundamentally doesn't work, and so they're all stuck	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 omg context	[08:07]
Duffer1	ya i just realized >.<	[08:08]
Duffer1	i should have added a few more lines	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	be ashamed. you've even broken the rules nao.	[08:08]
Duffer1	sorry hehe	[08:08]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0hOKCSuns	[08:09]
decimation	Do you have an alternative in mind? The only thing that occurs to me is rugged investors and businesses creating gpg contracts on their own terms.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	i don't have a fully polished, drop-in alternative in any sense.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	what's worse, i doubt there can actually be an alternative to toughening the agents the fuck up.	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	i've been measuring it across the board, you've perhaps seen the tail ends of ti	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0;all etc	[08:11]
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KRS1	Vexual: groovyy	[08:12]
KRS1	Straya cunt	[08:12]
Vexual	sup florida	[08:13]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLvCkxg0BOI	[08:13]
decimation	it's the quis custodiet ipsos custodes problem	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	in general, the problem is vast. the day your average us citizen has decided that politics is a problem that other people should solve for him, so he can focus on w/e his job is	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	that day politics got fucked irretrievably.	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	yet people don't generally want to nor generally can be renaissance complete personalities.	[08:15]
decimation	which is the current situation more or less	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	well, the same is true of everything.	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	the day you quit cleanning your house it will cease to be clean.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	the day you decide your financial security is "to be" ensured by nebulous third parties...	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	guesswhat.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	they may be experts, but they aren't you.	[08:16]
decimation	even if they start out competent and strong, the inevitible incentives to cheat...	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	if you never talk to your girlfriend	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	ever	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	she will eventually quit you.	[08:16]
herbijudlestoids	unless youre mute	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	see ? this seems to be a rather universal rule.	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids s/talk/communicate/	[08:17]
herbijudlestoids	:P	[08:17]
herbijudlestoids	lessons in personal responsibility from mircea_popescu	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	well more like... you know... what alternative shall i have, woe unto me. i dun see one, other than lieing it you	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	(dun worry baby it'll all be alright)	[08:18]
decimation	"intellectuals" call it the "noble lie"	[08:18]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCZ_bv9aLc	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	yes, but apparently you won't have classes, and be happy inferiors of some selected caste of masters.	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	this makes such lie impopssible.	[08:18]
Duffer1	herbijudlestoids it's a lot better than lessons from Labcoin :P	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	the original observation, however, to wit that politics has very quickly diminishing marginal returns, and in general you don't need more than 100 men involved in it in any case, is sound.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	(fun fact : 50% of all wealth today is owned by 97 people, i hear)	[08:19]
herbijudlestoids	noway	[08:19]
herbijudlestoids	sauce?	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	research it, im curious if it can be confirmed	[08:20]
herbijudlestoids	i think its a lot lower, more like 8% :P	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	1% own 40%, according to the un.	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	i guess it depends on how conspiracy-minded the approach is.	[08:21]
Vexual	yeah thats the humanitarian brach of the nsa	[08:21]
Vexual	not really	[08:22]
herbijudlestoids	yes i would agree 1% own 40%...so what is 1%? seventy million people!	[08:22]
herbijudlestoids	another number i found for 2013 is that 29 million own 39% of global assets	[08:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00093454 = 12.8499 BTC [+] {2}	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah, of which 69`999`923 people do banking with a select few :)	[08:22]
herbijudlestoids	lol	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	so in the end...	[08:22]
herbijudlestoids	nowaybro, if global assets includes say, a cashflow positive farm or car factory or whatever then that piece of ass(et) doesnt matter who you bank with	[08:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02969 = 0.1188 BTC [-]	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	methinks i was forcing a point.	[08:23]
herbijudlestoids	i have heard a number that the richest 100% own a lot, but the number i heard was like 8%	[08:24]
herbijudlestoids	err s/100%/100 people/	[08:24]
Vexual	it mght affect where you are able to sell your product effectively herbi	[08:24]
decimation	well, it certainly is the case that money will stay in the hands of those who have the ability to hold it	[08:24]
decimation	and that those people are rare	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	ownership is a muddled thing anyway. so you own your house. you can't set it on fire. you can't dig a hole in the livingroom. etc.	[08:24]
decimation	everyone else needs an arrangement with the local duke or landgrave	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	decimation you know what a house mother is ?	[08:25]
decimation	Like someone who stays home to raise the children?	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	no.	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	heterosexual couples ended up doing cellular families, somehow, for some reason.	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	at least in the english world.	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	gay people however, tend[ed] to live in groups	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	also other opressed groups (entertainers, especially sex workers, for instace ; drug users definitely)	[08:27]
Vexual	hookers	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	much like average people going out to drink have a designated driver, these cvasi-familial arrangements have a house mother	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	who is the sort of... well.. landgrave, technically.	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	resolves "whose hairbrush it really is" disputes	[08:27]
Vexual	i tak eit you dont mp	[08:28]
herbijudlestoids	its my fucken hairbrush	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	in most large towns cops reflexively seek him out in any conflict	[08:28]
Vexual	lol	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	this meanwhile has expanded to college aged kids, who are in fact an opressed group by now.	[08:28]
decimation	yeah in frat houses in us universities there is often such a person	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	not deliberately, just, they're too fucking dumb and uninformed to survive in the world as it is.	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	and so slowly the model spreads	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	there's your landgrave.	[08:28]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57P9C4SAW4	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	so in the end, the future looks like, two to six slaves living i nthe care of one master, who gets in the wot and tries to make sense of whether mp or x or y is more sensible to keep his house's money.	[08:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8824 @ 0.00093507 = 8.2511 BTC [+]	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	sorta mini-tribal.	[08:30]
Vexual	youtube thinks im a french tween	[08:30]
decimation	yeah that sounds about right	[08:30]
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mircea_popescu	in the end, this all yields a richer conenctivity in society,	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	and it's a well known fact that the more connected model always emerges victorious.	[08:31]
Vexual	yeah then it breaks people starve and start over	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	which is fundamentally why england conquered scotland rather than the other way around	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	even though it was a scottish king who did the union	[08:32]
decimation	yeah here's a blog that shows a map of individualism vs. collectivism https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/national-individualism-collectivism-scores/	[08:32]
Vexual	say that in an aberdeen pub	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	i woudln't call this collectivism tho.	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	possibly because the term is in my mind strictly related to stalin.	[08:32]
decimation	the individualist are better at coordinating things on a large scale	[08:32]
decimation	Interestingly Hungary is a major outlier in Eastern Europe	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	is this hbd supposed to be "sanity ready to fight spurious accusations of racism" ?	[08:35]
Vexual	hbd?	[08:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00093874 = 21.9196 BTC [+] {2}	[08:35]
decimation	her thesis is that many of the behaviours people exhibit can be traced back to inbreeding vs. outbreeding	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/individualism-collectivism-hofstede.jpg?w=460	[08:36]
Vexual	how can hungary inbreed, the border keeps moving	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	no seriously ? can i lol yet ?	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	the us is under 50.	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	"remember that it’s the individualists who seem to work together best towards the collective — the BIG collective — society as a whole — a nation, for instance. meanwhile, the “collectivists” (as hofstede calls them) — or the clannish groups (as i call them) — don’t manage to handle, or even to create, commonweals hardly at all."	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	this is really very naive 1930s whig anthropology.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, the clannish groups don't actually need the large constructs like the alienated individuals do.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	but anyway.	[08:39]
Vexual	yeah	[08:39]
herbijudlestoids	i need a cheeseburger	[08:39]
Vexual	get me one	[08:39]
herbijudlestoids	yes sir	[08:39]
herbijudlestoids	anyone else want anything?	[08:40]
Vexual	yeah get me the whole amore meal	[08:40]
herbijudlestoids	wtf is an amore meal?	[08:40]
Vexual	two extra cheezeburgers	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	yea srsly.	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	apparently mcd is taking advantage of the aussies' polyglot nature.	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	https://mcdonalds.com.au/menu/amore-big-mac-meal	[08:41]
herbijudlestoids	allofmywut.pptx	[08:42]
Vexual	yeah its acutally the fat cunt meal	[08:42]
herbijudlestoids	what is the amore about? as in, i love mcdonalds so much, give me one of everything on the menu?	[08:42]
Vexual	your girl is supposed to get a salad and eat some of your chips	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	no, as in take the gf. you eat the big hoovespaste thing, she eats the small one	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	then you fight on the apple pie	[08:43]
Vexual	lol	[08:43]
herbijudlestoids	glegh	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	what do these things cost anymore ?	[08:43]
herbijudlestoids	glad there is a proper burger joint down the end of my street	[08:43]
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mircea_popescu	is that thing like 20 dollars ?	[08:43]
Vexual	bacon on mine	[08:43]
Vexual	if you dont mind	[08:43]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: id guess about that, with the current FX rate at 0.87	[08:44]
herbijudlestoids	altho there is the convenient big max index if you wanna work out your PPP that way	[08:44]
herbijudlestoids	s/max/mac	[08:44]
Vexual	123 bux amore	[08:44]
Vexual	12	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	i was just idly curious	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	last time i ate in a popular joint i left like 40 dollars there iirc.	[08:45]
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herbijudlestoids	we just got...TGIF here	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	this being, of course, romania, where labour an' materials are cheap	[08:45]
Vexual	can one get a good burger there mp?	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	i never had one.	[08:46]
herbijudlestoids	what do you eat mircea_popescu? soylent? :D	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	last burger i had was at some irish restaurant in boston. i ate it with a knife and fork, much to the waitstaff's delight	[08:47]
cazalla	i don't know any aussies that buy a family deal from maccas	[08:47]
cazalla	it's usually fish and chips mate	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	(all the chicks came one by one to discreetly check me out)	[08:47]
herbijudlestoids	ooo cazalla you just paused me mid sohe	[08:47]
herbijudlestoids	shoe*	[08:47]
cazalla	i just sat down with a cuppa	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2013/tandoori-mousaka/	[08:48]
Vexual	u veg?	[08:48]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: my trilema buffer is now at 5 articles, if you want me to read more you will have to pay 0.01BTC for a subscription to my HTTP GETs :P	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/how-to-sandwich-like-a-badass/ http://trilema.com/2012/pilaf/ etc	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	my blog is like an exhaustive mp compendium	[08:49]
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Vexual	its a delicious clump of pluerotus mushrooms	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	haha sokay, they'll wait	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	Vexual no, i eat girls.	[08:49]
Vexual	vitamin v	[08:49]
herbijudlestoids	Vexual: ooo did i tell you that i am a fine grower of pleurotus eryngii?	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/sauerbraten/	[08:49]
Vexual	im not all that much of a mushroom afficianardo to be honest	[08:50]
herbijudlestoids	i got a lil obsessed from when i lived in victoria	[08:50]
cazalla	those tomatoes look average	[08:50]
Vexual	unless theyre draped on a porterhouse	[08:50]
herbijudlestoids	lactarius deliciosus especially	[08:50]
cazalla	then again, i grow my own (heat wave is killing em atm though)	[08:50]
herbijudlestoids	ok fucken ill be back, going to get some burgers before you guys convince me off it completely	[08:51]
Vexual	what cut is that mp? lower back?	[08:51]
Duffer1	;;google congestive heart failure	[08:51]
gribble	Congestive Heart Failure Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment - WebMD: ; Heart failure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Congestive Heart Failure - American Heart Association:	[08:51]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIra8QTbKgs	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	actually, wow there's a ton of shit. http://trilema.com/2012/martipan/ http://trilema.com/2012/nsfw-cum-gatim-curcan/ http://trilema.com/rata-pe-varza-umpluta-cu-legume http://trilema.com/sa-carabanim-un-crab http://trilema.com/ce-mincam-vara http://trilema.com/paste-n-sos-de-rosii http://trilema.com/2011/sugestie-de-prezentare/ and finally : http://trilema.com/2012/o-mina-priceputa-acum-cu-ilustratii/	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	there's like... 500`000 trillion apparently.	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	Vexual which one ?	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	ah the sauerbraten. upper leg.	[08:54]
Vexual	sauerbraten	[08:54]
Vexual	mmm, do you keep beef?	[08:54]
Vexual	whats the marinade, i cant translate, too salivating	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	Tot in practica eu n-o marinez in otet, cum e ideea nemteasca, ci-n vin, ceva rosu (in imagine dinsus aveti un cupaj de Merlot / Pinot Noir de la Recas. Daca nu sunteti alcolisti ca si mine puteti folosi lapte batut, am mincat o data facuta asa de austriece miini, fu delicioasa. (Si, si).	[08:55]
Vexual	yeah	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	also in practice, i don't use vinegar, like the germans, i use wine, something red (depicted above, merlot/pinot noir from recas)	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	if you're not alcoholics like me you can use buttermilk, i had it once made by austrian hands, it was delicious (both)	[08:56]
Vexual	i feel you	[08:56]
Vexual	that looks like thew kinda cut that gets full price in japan	[08:57]
Vexual	i see four steaks	[08:58]
KRS1	Billy Goat? lol	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	lotta mouths to feed.	[08:58]
Vexual	yeah u roast in the cast iron?	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	or clay dutch oven	[09:00]
Vexual	on a fire in the garden?	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	nah	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	too much hassle to improvise useful fires when you got an oven and everything	[09:02]
Vexual	thats why theres a lip on the lid of the pot, for coals	[09:03]
Vexual	you with your fancy gas	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	:p	[09:06]
twizt	.bait	[09:07]
twizt	;9	[09:07]
twizt	;(*	[09:08]
KRS1	;;seen ozbot	[09:08]
gribble	ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 27 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: 2193847870.17428 \| Next Diff in 610 blocks \| Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s	[09:08]
KRS1	no bait tonight	[09:09]
Vexual	;;see Graet	[09:09]
gribble	Error: "see" is not a valid command.	[09:09]
Vexual	;;seenGraet	[09:09]
gribble	Error: "seenGraet" is not a valid command.	[09:09]
Vexual	;;seen raet	[09:09]
gribble	I have not seen raet.	[09:09]
Vexual	;;seen Graet	[09:09]
gribble	Graet was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: yep, got eta tho?	[09:09]
Vexual	drool fail	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/85351720c79eb5e87ef5429a7b5c73be/tumblr_mhyfurBsTJ1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	there. double cheezburgers, an' goodnite.	[09:10]
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mircea_popescu	so since pretty much anyone here has a better knowledge of webstuff than i do, here's a question :	[15:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00093333 = 21.2799 BTC [+] {2}	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as you're going to do a site with accounts, which people can log in over http (stupid as this may be)	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't the best practice be, that upon user registration you generate a user salt and a nonce, send these as a hashed cookie,	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	and upon each subsequent login you a) check if the user has the old cookie ; b) hash the salt, store it, increment the nonce, store it ; c) send a new cookie	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	if your salt+nonce -> cookie process is deterministic you can even verify it's the same actual user to any arbitrary degree of fineness (such as, same ip)	[16:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	the question being, is anyone currently doing this ?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	(obviously in this case by "login" i mean, any http request to your server at all)	[16:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]	[16:08]
nubbins`	hi	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	buna sa-ti fie inima, straine.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell herbijudlestoids those same people said to you http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2014#472180	[16:15]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:15]
nubbins`	toată lumea de aici este strainu	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	haha	[16:15]
nubbins`	or whatever :D	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"este straină"	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise wd.	[16:16]
*	nubbins` bows	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	anywya : hi in romanian is, to this day, "buna ziua", ie good day.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	the ancientest response to this is "may your heart be good, stranger"	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	used liberally cca... 1700	[16:16]
nubbins`	that's bordering on an arabic level of eloquence	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	romania had been bordering on an arabic invasion of the western world all through the middle ages.	[16:17]
nubbins`	well there ya go!	[16:17]
nubbins`	peace be upon you as well, etc	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	for instance the town i live in, has been sieged by the turks and by the germans about 18 times, switching sides like 7	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	because it controls the only easy access into the west from constantinople.	[16:18]
nubbins`	fun fact, i only learned two arabic phrases when visiting morocco	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	bismallah being one ?	[16:18]
nubbins`	actually only learned that one afterward	[16:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+]	[16:19]
nubbins`	anyway, people were much less impressed with my wa'alaykum salaam when it became clear that i didn't need to buy a rug	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell herbijudlestoids srsly, blogspot ? why such evil ;/	[16:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[16:20]
nubbins`	"cutting a rug" is a euphemism here, but not for what you'd think	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	dancing ?	[16:21]
nubbins`	you're more perceptive than most	[16:21]
nubbins`	also known as "having a scuff"	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	you know, all that grammar truffles doesn't know.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	i know it >D	[16:21]
KRS-	"cleaning a rug" is a euphamism here, commonly paired with "laying pipe".	[16:22]
KRS-	.bait	[16:22]
nubbins`	﷽‎	[16:22]
nubbins`	^ that's a single glyph!	[16:22]
KRS-	How did you type nothing	[16:23]
nubbins`	how do you not have any arabic fonts installed?	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, it reads like a square with f0f0 written in it, which'd be a short form of a romanian euphemism for... cunt, of course	[16:23]
KRS-	ah thats why	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	fofoloanca.	[16:23]
*	azi`_ is now known as azi`	[16:23]
KRS-	haha	[16:23]
nubbins`	right in the fofolanca	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's really fdfd and im just being freudian	[16:23]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: most websites, and almost all frameworks I've seen, only use a cookie that isn't refreshed, and is either left to expire stupidly, or never expiring	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so then this'd be beyond my comprehension. why in the fuck ?	[16:24]
nubbins`	pankkake: fuckit, drive space is cheap ;p	[16:24]
pankkake	if you add a signed timestamp to the cookie, maybe you can limit logins from old stolen cookies	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	obviously you have to chain cookies if you're using that retarded method of keeping track of user state.	[16:24]
nubbins`	my favourite euphemism for pussy these days is "ham wallet"	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	what are you, an aluminum siding salesman ?!	[16:24]
nubbins`	great for industrial buildings as well as the home!	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	(guy walks into a girlscout cookie clambake. as the festivities progress he keeps getting more and more excited	[16:25]
KRS-	pankkake: good luck with that cookie strategy if you are using multiple web servers	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	eventually he asks a supervisor : so when do you skewer their meatflaps already ?)	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	KRS- what'd be the problem ?	[16:25]
pankkake	KRS-: it's a signed cookie, not session cookie; and managing sessions over multiple servers is possible too	[16:26]
pankkake	but usually the process is that you have an auth cookie (lifetime = high), and a session cookie (lifetime = short)	[16:26]
nubbins`	managing sessions over several servers is commonplace	[16:26]
pankkake	and we're only talking about the auth cookie	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so is the session cookie changed on each pageload ?	[16:26]
KRS-	Load balanced web servers would associate that cookie to one particular web server, if the load balancer stategy isn't carefully chosen (if possible) when the load balancer shifts traffic the cookie could become invalid beecause another web server doesn't know about the cookie.	[16:26]
nubbins`	^	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	KRS- inasmuch as they all run your code they all know about the cookie.	[16:27]
nubbins`	have seen this	[16:27]
pankkake	no, it doesn't change, that's the point	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well that's fucktarded.	[16:27]
pankkake	unless you store session data in it, but usually it's just a secret ID	[16:27]
nubbins`	had to troubleshoot a web app once where there was a round-robin load balancing setup. each new page request launched a new session, up to a max of 3 (the number of servers)	[16:28]
KRS-	I've dealt with this problem before. You have to carefully pick a load balanced strategy or pick another session persistence.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	why so much derp ;/	[16:28]
pankkake	the session cookie isn't kept. if you close the browser, it's removed, etc.	[16:28]
pankkake	it's a poor's man stateful over stateless crap	[16:29]
nubbins`	what are you guys talking about, anyway	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	very poor man.	[16:29]
KRS-	This is my kind of it work, not much of a developer..love this stuffl.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	today we learn nubbins` doth not read the logs	[16:29]
nubbins`	i read like halfway through today	[16:30]
nubbins`	lotta noise ;(	[16:30]
KRS-	pankkake gets it =D	[16:30]
KRS-	sysadmin pankkake?	[16:30]
pankkake	but the auth cookie thing is interesting. it wouldn't be so hard to write a more secure implementation that most of what's out there	[16:30]
KRS-	true	[16:30]
nubbins`	oh jeez, literally right before i joined	[16:30]
pankkake	sysadmin for fun and dev for work, basically	[16:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00093336 = 16.0538 BTC [+] {2}	[16:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.16366666 = 0.3273 BTC [-]	[16:30]
KRS-	ya its hard to find work as sysadmin where I live, but the work lasts a very long time.	[16:31]
KRS-	secure	[16:31]
nubbins`	so let's suppose the user loses their old cookie, what then?	[16:32]
KRS-	sign back in	[16:32]
KRS-	unless like pankkake said, its just a signed cookie not session	[16:32]
nubbins`	but http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#474411	[16:32]
nubbins`	you're no longer verifying it's anybody if the old cookie is gone, no?	[16:33]
pankkake	ooh actually I wrote something like it earlier, without thinking much about it. the auth cookie has an expiration, but at every session cookie recreation, the auth cookie is refreshed	[16:33]
nubbins`	sure, but suppose the user clears his cookies.	[16:34]
pankkake	so it allows auth cookies that still expire fast, while not forcing you to relogin if you visit the site often	[16:34]
pankkake	well any cookie removal logs you out obviously	[16:34]
KRS-	mitm comes to mind	[16:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6651 @ 0.00093273 = 6.2036 BTC [-]	[16:34]
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nubbins`	so you can verify it's the same user logging in each time, unless they perform a relatively common, semmingly benign action, like clearing their cookies	[16:35]
nubbins`	why even bother with all the hocus pocus?	[16:35]
KRS-	maybe to incorporate the salt+nonce that mircea_popescu was talking about?	[16:36]
KRS-	not sure	[16:36]
pankkake	it's a way to ensure you only have fresh cookies - stealing old cookies cannot work	[16:36]
pankkake	helps prevent replay attacks… kinda	[16:36]
nubbins`	hm	[16:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15766 @ 0.0009273 = 14.6198 BTC [-]	[16:36]
pankkake	it's not going to be very good	[16:37]
nubbins`	seems like rubber bands and paperclips	[16:37]
pankkake	when I did implement that thing, it was more because I wanted cookies to expire in a smarter way	[16:37]
nubbins`	if you're that worried, just let the auth cookies expire after a half hour.	[16:37]
nubbins`	there's no "keep me logged in" checkbox on my bank's website	[16:38]
nubbins`	if you're worried about cookies being stolen, there should be no such checkbox on your site either	[16:39]
pankkake	my bank is using RC4 "encryption"	[16:39]
pankkake	128 bit too	[16:39]
pankkake	and if you try to force it to do something else, it rejects you	[16:39]
pankkake	lol, banks	[16:40]
nubbins`	when i lived in korea, my bank required that i ran an activex control, had a cookie stored on a usb thumb drive, and asked for two separate five-digit codes from a list of about 50 that were provided as a wallet-sized card	[16:42]
nubbins`	before i could even enter my card number :o	[16:42]
nubbins`	such intentions, many fail, etc	[16:42]
asciilifeform	ah, korea, land of eternal IE6.	[16:42]
nubbins`	^	[16:42]
KRS-	why RC4	[16:42]
KRS-	securing transport layer is hard anyway	[16:43]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/latest/api/authentication.html see reissue_time, it looks like those guys thought of it too :)	[16:43]
pankkake	KRS-: probably because of the BEAST attack, but they must have botched the configuration	[16:44]
KRS-	hopefully they are using it together with another mechanism, which is probably the case and would be just fine.	[16:44]
pankkake	no, they are very incompetent	[16:44]
KRS-	seems to be the case everywhere..	[16:45]
pankkake	1) it's a bank 2) it's a FRENCH bank 3) their website reeks incompetence	[16:45]
KRS-	pankkake I've done a lot of consulting...from the private sector to government..none of them got it right. I imagine the big guys do like BOA, Google, etc.	[16:46]
pankkake	sadly the gpg over http projects seem to go nowhere	[16:46]
KRS-	One exception was the Florida Turnpike Enterprise (a private business implementation of a government roadway function to accept tolls and what not)..they had a firm grasp on I.T. security from their payment processor to their wireless roadway nodes..I was very impressed.	[16:47]
KRS-	Ya wonder why that is..it seems pretty solid to me.	[16:47]
nubbins`	years ago i did maintenance on a lottery corporation website	[16:48]
nubbins`	THEY had security figured out	[16:48]
pankkake	CACert allows you to authenticate with a browser certificate, though. I don't know any other website allowing it	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	pankkake too late, ima post it.	[16:51]
nubbins`	i should take a dump before the gym	[16:51]
pankkake	post what?	[16:51]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nsa-gchq-quisquater.pdf	[16:54]
nubbins`	nice formatting ;(	[16:56]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: not mine	[16:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6912 @ 0.00093379 = 6.4544 BTC [+]	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that korea story reminds me of playing old z80 games	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	"please look in your manual to continue moving larry around the lounge"	[16:59]
KRS-	pankkake: probably because the CA cert won't complete the certificate chain for the general public. The cert would have to be signed by a custom CA I think.	[17:00]
nubbins`	lel yeah	[17:00]
nubbins`	"to continue sir graham's quest, type the 8th word on page 5"	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	seems like rubber bands and paperclips << it's fucking stateful http. It WOULD be.	[17:00]
KRS-	large intranets would prob use that	[17:00]
nubbins`	anyway, time to strap myself to a torture machine for an hour, seeya	[17:01]
KRS-	c ya	[17:01]
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water4ll	who is trading S.MPOE?	[17:21]
jurov	water4ll, there were ~40 new mpex accounts last month alone	[17:23]
jurov	plus others via coinbr	[17:23]
water4ll	I'm just a little surprised at consistent trading volume	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	why is consistent trading volume surprising ?	[17:23]
water4ll	well it's a higher barrier to entry than say havelock	[17:24]
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water4ll	even with broker	[17:24]
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jurov	i'd say the barrier motivates people to take care of their assets	[17:24]
water4ll	and high value traded too, none of that 0.05btc nonsense	[17:24]
water4ll	always 10,20 etc	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	water4ll yes, the fact that mpex is a respectable exchange makes it have consistent volume	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	unlike all the scamexchanges to date.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	what in there is surprising ?	[17:25]
water4ll	seems a lot of inflated volume	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	Feb 02 05:05:26 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 588 @ 0.00093125 = 0.5476 BTC [+]	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	it happens, but apparently not too often.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	water4ll listen, there's a difference between "i don't want X to be true and therefore i'll say things" and "X is surprising".	[17:26]
jurov	water4ll, i'm doing S.MPOE/BBET-PT passthrough payout and in 3 months so far only half of people went through it	[17:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC	[17:26]
jurov	it clearly shows they don't give a fuck	[17:26]
jurov	unlike on mpex	[17:26]
water4ll	jurov": what do you mean? via coinbr?	[17:26]
jurov	they paid (or have to pay monthly)	[17:26]
jurov	yes, it's the passthrought from BTCT	[17:27]
water4ll	BTCT I thought closed down some time ago	[17:27]
water4ll	oh nvm	[17:27]
water4ll	got t	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	wow you still struggling with that ?!	[17:27]
water4ll	lol	[17:27]
water4ll	hard to keep track these days	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	poor jurov lol	[17:27]
jurov	yes, i just left it there	[17:27]
water4ll	glbse bitfunder	[17:27]
jurov	no additional expense	[17:28]
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jurov	hey everyone who was on btct, try checking here: https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1	[17:29]
jurov	maybe you'll get a surprise ;)	[17:29]
jurov	and if you want to try coinbr, you have free 1 month till next monthly fee and 1 free withdrawal	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	now that's an idea	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	prolly best advertised on forum tho	[17:30]
jurov	oh, it was announced there when I put it online	[17:30]
jurov	and then again and again	[17:31]
jurov	they just cnat raed	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	why would theyu right ?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	like that jimmothy fellow. "ingore everything that's said, quote wikipedia"	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, http://trilema.com/2014/your-cookies-are-borkt-seriously/ if anyone would like to critique.	[17:32]
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water4ll	mircea_popescu: how many articles do you pump out daily?	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	been averaging 1-2 in 2013.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	bout where it is, 30-60 a month.	[17:33]
water4ll	Wow	[17:33]
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mircea_popescu	lol you think that's wow, talk to benkay. i think he's done thirty this week.	[17:34]
water4ll	I tried to write a blog once, after 5 minutes I found myself opening some new tabs	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	to quote george for you, "They're men with jobs, Jerry! ... They're married, they have secretaries."	[17:35]
water4ll	http://samy.pl/evercookie/	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	that sounds like the clap not a cookie.	[17:36]
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water4ll	they are both persistent	[17:37]
ThickerThanThiev	I'm also not savvy on cookies, but my naive question is, why doesn't the browser manage user auth?	[17:40]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: your irc copy paste is broken, the last part is about using RC4, and not related to the rest	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	oh	[17:41]
pankkake	i.e. anything after "Probably because of the BEAST attack"	[17:41]
water4ll	crime more concern than beast	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	so is psylon a french bank ?	[17:41]
pankkake	pylons is a web framework, sort of	[17:42]
pankkake	I don't know why you mangled those two things together	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	that's nice, had too much quite in there anyway. check it ?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	why, because i'm doing fifty things that;s why.	[17:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	be glad i don't accidentally insert nudes in rndom tech articles or something.	[17:43]
pankkake	that would be less confusing	[17:43]
water4ll	mircea_popescu: I think it's time	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	"it too :)" alligns with "probably" on the next line in my view. so i just read over krs and thus it formed one line.	[17:44]
water4ll	has anybody got the address of rpietila's new private bitcoin forum	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	you can't have that unless you post a pic with a bunch of junk metal all over your head.	[17:44]
water4ll	i sent shoe on head pic to him via pm	[17:44]
water4ll	nobody here invited?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	sorry man. can't share it without the pic.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	that's what he said.	[17:45]
water4ll	http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v3f1c8&s=5	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	you're a pregnant woman.	[17:48]
water4ll	http://trilema.com/2014/why-do-gentlemen-prefer-blondes/	[17:48]
water4ll	she said the 3rd is the cutest	[17:48]
water4ll	whatever brand of animal these are	[17:48]
water4ll	but you can barely see it	[17:48]
water4ll	it's covered by the other one	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/lectie-comasata-atit-de-decadentism-cit-si-de-bogatie-de-lux/ the shit i find. champagne float.	[17:48]
water4ll	I have to be frugal with these links	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[17:49]
water4ll	open cupboard is bare	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	or go mine some ATC and trade it for BTC to buy Trilema credits with	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	a crypto economy!	[17:49]
water4ll	need to travel pickup few precious trilemna credits	[17:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02900003 = 0.377 BTC [-] {4}	[17:50]
water4ll	mircea_popescu: will you stay in romania for remainder of your life?	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	i've only come here recently. i was in cr/central america for a few years.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	the us before that, etc.	[17:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02895 = 0.3474 BTC [-] {3}	[17:51]
water4ll	I had known some guys from romania, they couldn't wait to leave. for places like HK	[17:51]
water4ll	I've not been personally	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	how old were they ?	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[17:52]
water4ll	some in early 20's some in 30's	[17:52]
water4ll	very enterprising bunch	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	were they poor ? were they married ?	[17:52]
water4ll	well they started selling potatoes	[17:52]
water4ll	so initially poor, but now mostly have plenty of $	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	in short : why should it be surprising that socially and sexually unattached young males wish to travel ? of course they would, if they're healthy.	[17:53]
kakobrekla	hey	[17:53]
kakobrekla	we are getting assraped here	[17:53]
water4ll	not so much travel, because they don't have intention of coming back	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla waitwut ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	water4ll that's travel.	[17:54]
kakobrekla	whole country = code red	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	snow ?	[17:54]
kakobrekla	yes	[17:54]
kakobrekla	ice	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	you don't deserve it.	[17:54]
kakobrekla	no power no nothing.	[17:54]
kakobrekla	no water	[17:54]
water4ll	where is snow?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	you got snow right ? whatcha mean no water.	[17:54]
kakobrekla	from the pipes!	[17:54]
water4ll	kakobrekia: which country?	[17:54]
kakobrekla	slovenia	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	take girl out, remove bra, put snow on her, obtain water from the titties.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	better than water from the pipes.	[17:55]
water4ll	wow it looks so beautiful	[17:55]
kakobrekla	anyway, im on my last ups now and its running low, so i might be offline for a day or three	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	listen, come over.	[17:55]
water4ll	just a ps soon	[17:55]
kakobrekla	im not driving in this weather	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	well i can't teleport you	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	there's no power there.	[17:56]
kakobrekla	yes sucks.	[17:56]
kakobrekla	hehe	[17:56]
deadweasel	snowmobile?	[17:56]
deadweasel	:P	[17:56]
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mircea_popescu	exercise 1 hr, irc 5 minutes	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	a week later, kako looks like peyton manning	[17:57]
kakobrekla	lmao	[17:57]
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water4ll	kako 'mr legs' brekla	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	the best part of any frog.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	http://www.montrealgazette.com/travel/Thousands+without+electricity+Slovenia+weather+also+causes/9459657/story.html	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	pic looks good.	[17:59]
water4ll	I love the snow	[18:00]
water4ll	isn't it exciting?	[18:00]
water4ll	even better when trails are cancelled and lights go out	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, some people got shit to do.	[18:01]
water4ll	I just use as excuse to smoke in train toilet	[18:02]
water4ll	then you can relax and read a book or something	[18:02]
water4ll	makes a change to normal dailly routine	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla think about it tho. here everything's fine, snow is melting. you can see the ground.	[18:03]
water4ll	the water in slovenia is so clean	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	sucks to drive for a few hours but what if you're stuck there for 2 weeks	[18:03]
water4ll	I don't understand why you can be trapped anywhere in the snow	[18:04]
water4ll	wow	[18:05]
water4ll	http://www.darioendara.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/22-Slovenia-snow-horse.jpg	[18:05]
water4ll	look at this snow horse	[18:05]
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kakobrekla	ok, going back dark, wish me luck.	[18:09]
kakobrekla	cya	[18:09]
water4ll	stay strong	[18:09]
jurov	kakobrekla, no trains either? here we have a little ice, but no such problems	[18:12]
jurov	just go to vienna and from there	[18:12]
jurov	gone ...	[18:13]
water4ll	been consumed by an avalanche	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	apparently railroads are blocked too	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	serbia can't move into hungary etc	[18:14]
water4ll	what's the problem, stock up on wood and candles and food	[18:15]
jurov	but if you heat by electricity...	[18:16]
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jurov	and slovenia has usually mild climate, they don't have gas/central heaters everywhere like here	[18:17]
water4ll	oh	[18:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13000 @ 0.00011108 = 1.444 BTC [+] {6}	[18:28]
ThickerThanThiev	During Fiscal Year 2013, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing delivered approximately 26 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $1.3 billion. About 90 percent of the notes are used to replace notes already in, or taken out of circulation.	[18:29]
ThickerThanThiev	How do you replace a note already in circulation?	[18:29]
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ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4887312#msg4887312 << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC. <<< The hear wants what the hear wants!	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	heart*	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what they mean is "notes are used to either send to consumers which sell us burned/destroyed paper money, or else to banks or other institutions that have the authority to remove paper from circulation"	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	but reporter can't write.	[18:32]
ThickAsThieves	its from the the official website	[18:33]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:33]
ThickAsThieves	great domain too http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/annualproductionfigures.html	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, great indeed.	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	is there a counter like the National Debt Clock for dollar dilution?	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	thats all i'm looking for really	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	no.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	they ceased publishing the m3 in 2005	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	becase "it wasn't interesting"	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	notwithstanding the only time i heard someone in this channel wanting some sort of info from the usg	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	it was you wanting the m3 above.	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 233 @ 0.00083501 = 0.1946 BTC [-] {2}	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1767 @ 0.00082157 = 1.4517 BTC [-] {11}	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	the clock wouldnt tell the whole story anyway I guess, but would still be an easy way to show US people clearly what happens	[18:37]
ThickAsThieves	people really dont understand money gets printed daily	[18:37]
ThickAsThieves	NEW money	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	people understand all too well they do not wish to understand this if they wish to continue whatever it is they're doing.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	so... no.	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14500 @ 0.00011141 = 1.6154 BTC [+] {2}	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.00082 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {3}	[18:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00011142 = 0.1671 BTC [+]	[18:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00092659 = 8.8953 BTC [-] {2}	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	So am I correct in stating the USG reports there exists approx $11,000,000,000,000?	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/default.htm	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	which would be $500,000,000 new dollars in 2013?	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	wait	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	$500,000,000,000	[18:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27060 @ 0.00093135 = 25.2023 BTC [+] {2}	[18:50]
chetty	What dollars? They are just 1's&0's in computers somewhere - oh wait thats btc, oh wait ..	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	i'm just trying to understand the money supply better	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	not which of it is paper	[18:52]
KRS-	i think i'm going to change careers..i want to become a rapper.	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	have you ever rapped before?	[18:53]
KRS-	what are my chances	[18:53]
KRS-	no	[18:53]
KRS-	but i like rap	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	do you like pizza?	[18:53]
KRS-	thats how some people are these days with I.T.	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	maybe you should become one of those	[18:53]
KRS-	ikr	[18:53]
KRS-	"oh i can click shit and run the wizard" "I is a computer expert"	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	Windows Exper	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	t	[18:54]
KRS-	dime a dozen	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	depends where you are	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	like if you work in a retirement home	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	WIndows Experts are pretty useful	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	or a numkber of small nonprofits	[18:55]
KRS-	worked at this one company where upper IT management thought they were all hot shit like that but had no idea of the underlying concepts	[18:55]
KRS-	then went running to the dev's for support	[18:55]
KRS-	and took credit for the effiencies, increased sales and gains	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	I had to give this one adult day health care place all new staff emails twice in two years because staff turnover and "but they wanna use their Yahoo"	[18:56]
KRS-	hah	[18:56]
KRS-	the best was a nonprofit i consulted for..the 68 yo CFO was telling me how to do my job..needless to say i didnt service them past the initial 2-3 visits.	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	small business web hosting mostly consists of "I lost my iPhone can you get my email back the new one?" and "Why are erection pill ads on my home page?"	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	old people really dont trust IT people at all	[18:58]
KRS-	haha ya or the formatting isnt quite right on my spreadsheet or word document	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	probly from being burned by all the expert nephews and windows experts	[18:59]
KRS-	ya i guess i cant blame them..much incompetence out there.	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.50889948 BTC to 444 shares, 114617 satoshi per share	[19:00]
KRS-	other SMB's have been great, long time clients, low workload, worked 2-4 days a week on average and made great money..thinking about going that route again, i just hate selling myself..maybe i can get a marketing company to do that.	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	a ha "There was approximately $1.23 trillion in circulation as of January 29, 2014, of which $1.18 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes."	[19:00]
KRS-	ouch	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	i cant sort how these numbers add up though	[19:01]
KRS-	see the news lately, DOW and other markets are looking flaky	[19:01]
KRS-	most US currnecy overseas	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	like, how doe sthe first report show $11t, the second say 1.23t, and the debt clock say $17.st	[19:03]
KRS-	smoke and mirrors dude	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	nah there has to be some sort of path through the math	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	made up or not	[19:03]
KRS-	..was going to say if you want to trust those numbers.	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	it is has to add up somewhere right?	[19:04]
KRS-	the government has been pulling back i hear	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	maybe the simple answer is to just use the largest one	[19:04]
KRS-	ThickAsThieves: it does. Its carefully scrutinized, but where you go for the numbers are for those in the know.	[19:04]
KRS-	Pretty sure.	[19:04]
KRS-	Like labor statistics..published vs unpublished.	[19:04]
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ThickAsThieves	if we owe $17.25t then that is probly the minimum amount of dollars, no?	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	printed or not	[19:05]
KRS-	you would think	[19:05]
KRS-	Either way its a bad situation.	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	i'm looking for an easy way to educate my circles on dollar inflation and dilution	[19:06]
KRS-	is that of benefit to you?	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	i want them to undestand they do not have $X in the bank	[19:06]
KRS-	oh for proper investment?	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	and that tomorrow, they will have less $ in the bank whether they withdraw or not	[19:06]
KRS-	I'm sure serious investors already know this.	[19:06]
KRS-	I'm sure most investors do.	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	this is for friends and family	[19:07]
KRS-	ah ..another story.	[19:07]
KRS-	Good	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	its total ignirance out there man	[19:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00082 = 1.64 BTC [-] {2}	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	ignorance	[19:07]
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KRS-	You aint kidding...got similar family like that thinking their 401k's are fine and all.	[19:07]
KRS-	They wont even listen to me.	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	or at least what mp says total ignore-ance	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah i was gonna say, glwt but it ain't happening/	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	that's why family is best organised as slaves in a harem	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11131 @ 0.00011144 = 1.2404 BTC [+] {2}	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	you tell them what to do and are done with it.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	with ppl as they are, even picking a fucking place to eat takes tw odays.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	by the time you explain the situation to them you could have made more money than their aggregate savings by just... working.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	like, doing something useful. which explaining stuff to idiots rarely is.	[19:09]
KRS-	heh	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	you are so right about picking place to eat!	[19:09]
KRS-	so true man	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	when we travel,	[19:09]
KRS-	give people a choice and it is teh fucks up everything	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	dude, you just yell "on your knees" and everyone is on their knees.	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	I pre-choose every mean place before we even get to the airport	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	makes things so fucking easy.	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	meal*	[19:10]
KRS-	people actually want to be told imo	[19:10]
chetty	It does not have to add up. THey don't think the masses can do math so they bother with things like that	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	so you guys are saying there really is no answer?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	chetty actually, banks came up with clown&baloon patterns for the back of cheques, i wonder how long till your actual bank statment is in pictures	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	that there are vastly conflicting ways to count the money?	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	numbers being racist and all.	[19:11]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#474726	[19:11]
nubbins`	^ sounds like it doesn't snow where that guy lives	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there are in fact vastly different ways to ACCOUNT.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	"Those assets that he had, they were in fact somehow valued. On one approach to valuation, they came out X. On another approach to valuation, they came out Y. There’s little convergence between the series of Xs and Ys."	[19:11]
lippoper	I want ozbot back	[19:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00011529 = 0.1499 BTC [+] {6}	[19:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12819 @ 0.00093299 = 11.96 BTC [+]	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	sure, but how do i sort out what a dollar is worth, ignoring outside inflations	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	you don't.	[19:12]
chetty	Some congress critter said they need to do weather reports in eubonics, thats why so many in NO didn't leave, they didn't understand.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	how do you sort out what the word "it" means, ignoring outside inflations ?	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	by striclty looking at money creation changes	[19:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00011907 = 0.2381 BTC [+] {9}	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	the reason pure mercantilist views are derided by ws today is sound tho.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	you're trying to live in 1700, which doesn't work.	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	i want to be be able to form a sentence like "If we print the same amount of money in 2014 as 2013, your $1 with be worth .82"	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	the us dollar is a negotiable credit instrument, like any paper. it does not have this "fixed" value you wish toassign it.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	yes, but you can't form that stance.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	and if you could, i could write a bot to exploit your currency and make me rich	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	rendering your statement false in the process.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	(this, incidentally, is largely what soros vs bank of england was all about)	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	that implies things happen to icrease dollar value no?	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	that implies that the exchange value of a negotiable instrument is only known after the negotiation completes.	[19:15]
nubbins`	^	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/	[19:16]
nubbins`	you don't know what the value of your white tamagotchi is until some sucker buys it	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	"The problem inflationary currency bestows upon capital allocators is insolvable. They are given money of no certain value (pretty much the only sure thing about the paper currency is that it is, literally, burning in your hands, it ticks away like a bomb, it blows in the wind like dust - all this while you’re holding it) and have to do something with it. They always, always, always, absolutely always have more than	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	is in fact needed."	[19:16]
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nubbins`	and even then, that only settles the question of what YOUR white tama was worth.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	that "no certain value" is in there for a reason.	[19:16]
nubbins`	to one guy, even.	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	ugh	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	I get it, I do, but this is not easy to communicate to normals	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	which is why normals can't make exchanges, or ipos, or etc.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	nor can they understand WHY is it that you won't let them.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	obviously, it's because scam and racist.	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	why the fuck is the phenomenon that uneducated think complicated info is untrustworthy	[19:19]
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mircea_popescu	if you think about it, that's the stable game-theoretic solution.	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	like if i rant on all this to my mom, she'll think i'm a conspiracy theorist	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	what should your server do with requests it doesn't comprehend ? a. drop them b. anything else.	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	well your server is a slave right	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	it does what you tell it to	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	well it'd better not be enough of a whore to do anything any user tells it.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	ideally it's your slave, as you have the ssh	[19:20]
nubbins`	are you asking why people don't trust things they don't understand? :(	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	the risk with slaves!	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	well i dont necessarily want to conversate about that aspect nubbins	[19:21]
asciilifeform	'Postel's Law,' that historic mistake.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	iirc jurov was trying some experiments with giving anon users root on the box or something	[19:21]
nubbins`	not much to converse about :D	[19:21]
nubbins`	or conversate, for that matter ;p	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually postel's is great for the web. it's just that the web is NOT great for "anything"	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	and that's what the fucktarded altchainers have been doing to the internet, try to make everything out of web	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	just like some insane dood at your favourite eatery, where you once had some marzipan and like it.	[19:23]
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mircea_popescu	next time you visit it's all like "yo dawg! i hear yu like marzipan so now I made everything out of marzipan!	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	like... the steak. the milk. YOUR CHAIR"	[19:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik, postel's law came out of electronics, where you want to emit clear 'high' or 'low' voltage but do something other than choke & die if you're given a weird glitch (something in between)	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	make everything out of web, make everything out of blockchains, make everything out of etc.	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	they in their own type of Kink High, let them play!	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also a web-ish sort of situation.	[19:24]
asciilifeform	exactly. we had 'Muller's gate' in the '50s, with 'ready' signals. but nobody uses.	[19:25]
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mircea_popescu	basically, has it : people actually want to be told	[19:26]
nubbins`	ugh, i find myself in the unenviable position of having funds in my paypal account that i wish to convert to btc	[19:29]
nubbins`	this has literally never happened before D:	[19:29]
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ThickAsThieves	people want to be told > thus rely on trust > thus capitalism becomes great liar	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	nah, a model where 90% of the population trusts 10% in chunks of ~10 individuals, and then in turn and hten in turn	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	is pretty much the most stable thing in nature.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	you need about a dozen or so tiers and you're golden.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	the problem we have now is with the nationalist state of napoleon (and the us which is really just a pale copy) having successfully attacked this natural wot	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	with the result of 99.99999% trusting 0.00001%	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	with just one tier you're fucked.	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	is it even possible to prevent?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	it's a self-limiting condition.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	and teh time's tick tock.	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	i mean in general, is a wot's compromise inevitable	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	my read of history shows it is, yes.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	game theory indicates it is, too	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	the nation model only emerges in situations where "the right thing" is plainly obvious	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	these are necessarily limited in time and exceptional.	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	so the compromise of bitcoin is inevitable	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	how do you mean ?	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	it is a wot, no?	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	miners mining	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	people trusting the ledger	[19:35]
nubbins`	ehh....	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	but look : ten people in boondocks, new jersey somewhere who heard of bitcoin are tier 1	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	they all know this guy down the street, and trust him cause he's cool	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	he's tier 2.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	he knows of the wot, and keeps deals with some other people so he can buy/sell btc for his friends at home	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	there	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	core devs core-developing ( i also shoulda have added )	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	's a guy that knows the mall and escrows for them	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	that guy is tier 3	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	these guys kind-of know each other	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	but you are just making that all upo	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	up	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	then one day mp wants to pay a girl in boondock, nj to wash his car with her tits	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	i can make up tiers of compromise too	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	and the tier 3 guy goes "you know... you reall don't need to escrow mp	[19:37]
nubbins`	haha	[19:37]
nubbins`	"statistically speaking..."	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	im not making it up in that this has in fact happened.	[19:37]
nubbins`	nod	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	yes but it does not counter the inevitable	[19:37]
nubbins`	fun fact, the Salty Spitoon is a restaurant in the Spongebob Squarepants cartoon	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	what'd be the inevitable ThickAsThieves ?	[19:38]
twizt	ty nubbins`	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	that trusts systems are compromised on some timescale	[19:38]
nubbins`	np	[19:38]
twizt	not knowing that really bothered me for the last few days ;)	[19:38]
nubbins`	:)	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	and i dont mean the earth exploding	[19:38]
nubbins`	i'm here to enlighten and occasionally mislead	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	i jus' don't see how this follows.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	go into detail.	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	for example	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	i buy a GPU in tier 1, i mine,	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	I buy an Erupter farm in tier 2	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	um	[19:39]
nubbins`	you can't be in both tiers	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	this doesn't seem to have anything to do with what i was saying	[19:39]
nubbins`	^	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	my point is that parties will seek to exp.loit the trust system	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	not really.	[19:40]
nubbins`	i think this went off the rails when tat stated that bitcoin is a web of trust	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	do your beer mates try to trick you into paying for their beer ?	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	no	[19:40]
twizt	sometimes	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	right. parft of the definition of even beeing your mates	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	if they do you ditch them and get better ones.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	now, suppose i need to evaluate 10mn beer drinkers.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	can i do this ? how ?	[19:40]
twizt	or trick them into buying your weed	[19:40]
nubbins`	^	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	simple : i ask all the people who know people who pay beer tabs.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	3 tiers.	[19:40]
nubbins`	twizt, nobody falls for that trick	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	this is how i find women, incidentally. i don't go into bars.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	i just know girls that know girls that know girls.	[19:41]
twizt	its like barter	[19:41]
twizt	i got ur cheap beer	[19:41]
twizt	u get me expensive weed	[19:41]
twizt	(well atleast in USA)	[19:41]
KRS-	I saw two dancers french kissing yesterday it was nice.	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	we are zoomed in to different parts of the 'wot'	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	seems so.	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	i never said trust cant be develped	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	nor that a wot cant be trusted	[19:41]
nubbins`	twizt, weed costs about the same to grow as tomatoes	[19:41]
nubbins`	plant-for-plant	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	simply that over time, a trust system breaks down	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	it's more than trust, tho. it's about control.	[19:42]
twizt	wish i could grow yo	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	and bitcoin is probly no different	[19:42]
nubbins`	consider that an ounce of weed should cost the same as a dozen hothouse tomatoes	[19:42]
twizt	my life would be 100x easier	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	what people in your wot say controls what you do.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	which makes the wot a distributed political system	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	it's just that "distributed" does not mean one to many, as the nationalist representation of bork would have it.	[19:42]
nubbins`	a wot is not a static thing	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	and what if we vote into power the wrong powers	[19:42]
nubbins`	i could trust someone fully today	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	it means few to one which groups in few to one which groups in few to one etc.	[19:42]
nubbins`	and then tomorrow he tries to strike my wife	[19:43]
nubbins`	now i don't trust him at all	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves if YOU vote the wrong guy YOU are screwed.	[19:43]
nubbins`	and any wot in which we both exist has changed	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	suppose bitfury has 66% of mining right now	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	this is kind-of the gist of the old mpoe-pr post re personal responsibility	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	just in their back pocket	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	"if all idiots vote in the wot like it is a nationalistic election, you will get a wot that works like your fucking country"	[19:44]
nubbins`	i rate +3 the users i'm most likely to enjoy drinking a beer with"	[19:44]
nubbins`	feel free to add the missing " or remove the dangling one	[19:45]
nubbins`	tautology either way	[19:45]
twizt	sounds like a martingale to me	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	another thing I have trouble with is how we can easily point out the problems with inflationary money, but when we discuss the problems with deflationary we stop at "well hopefully it calms down"	[19:47]
twizt	some people can be trust worthy 99% of the time, and the 1% of time they get sketchy	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	we do?	[19:47]
twizt	can out weigh the 99% of times they were 'good'	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	last time it was a topic at least	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	this is not on my list. quote!	[19:47]
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ThickAsThieves	plz hold	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00092721 = 8.6685 BTC [-]	[19:50]
nubbins`	aha! paypal bucks sent, btc received	[19:52]
*	nubbins` dusts off hands	[19:52]
nubbins`	honestly thought it'd take longer	[19:52]
deadweasel	cool, now you can say you never rec'd and get your cash back! ;)	[19:53]
nubbins`	heheh	[19:53]
nubbins`	nah, this is a guy who i've traded casascius coins with before	[19:53]
deadweasel	glad he was trustworthy, twice!	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:10] we're kinda saying all spending of bitcoin is bad business, right?	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:10] yes	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:11] we're saying that the quick increase in the btc rate puts responsible, competent ceos in the position where they forego fiat deployments	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:11] this is a major problem for bitcoin atm.	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:11] atm, or forever?	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:11] no argument. which is why it's a problem.	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	[18:11] ThickAsThieves hopefully it settles down.	[19:54]
nubbins`	me too	[19:54]
nubbins`	he sent first, even :0	[19:54]
deadweasel	whoa	[19:54]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: all spending of btc is not bad business.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	but this is an interfacing problem, not a deflation problem	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	you'd have the same difficulties if you landed in zimbabwe with a trunk full of dollars :	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	does the interfacing problem exist without deflation?	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	you can't "invest" in zimbabwe until their failrency settles down	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	does deflation "settle"?>	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	there is no deflation caught in that discussion at all.	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	what amount of settling is likely or required?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	it's just the fiat bubble bursting.	[19:56]
ThickAsThieves	same result no?	[19:56]
ThickAsThieves	when fiat bubble is done, will we not continue to deflate?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	in the sense jumping out of a plane and having a piano fall on you yield the same result.	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	it's just that parachutes do little to protect you from falling objects.	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	more like jumping off the earth vs out of a plan	[19:57]
nubbins`	it behooves one wealthy in btc to delay purchases/spending for as long as possible	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	youll die from both	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	when the fiat bubble is gone we will actually deflate, but the effects of THAT are not judgeable by this.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	besides, bitcoin is hugely inflationary.	[19:57]
nubbins`	but that's distinct from never spending at all	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	but you wont land jumping off the earthj	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	much more so that fiat CLAIMS to be	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	see there, para I	[19:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15390 @ 0.00093078 = 14.3247 BTC [+] {2}	[20:00]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	do you believe the fiat bubble will actaully finish?	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	how long?	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	what am i, mafalda ?	[20:03]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	well it seems like it drag out pretty far	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	hmm apparently this doesn't convert to english	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	anyway, mafalda was a late 1800s famous seer	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	when i search i just get cartoons	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 432 @ 0.00293973 = 1.27 BTC [+] {11}	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	i assumed she could tell the future	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	https://blogideologic.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/mafalda-in-cultura-populara-a-romanilor/	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	it's an actual historical person.	[20:06]
nubbins`	after skimming this article, i now understand	[20:07]
nubbins`	;p	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	i guess this conversation nullifies another question i had	[20:07]
nubbins`	you guys don't have paragraph breaks in romanian?	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	during the recent NY panels, we do they only mention volatility, and never bitcoin's deflationary problems	[20:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04979777 = 0.1992 BTC [+]	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	why	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	because they read trilema.	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	which i guess i should reform to, why do they not worry about hoarding	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	answer is, cuz there's nothing they can do about it	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	why do you think hoarding would be a problem ?	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	i guess	[20:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00295299 = 0.3809 BTC [+] {3}	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	wouldnt extreme hoarding cause more volatility?	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	let's do the following mental experiment.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	suppose the original satoshi prototype only had 2.1mn total bitcoin, and original block reward was 5 btc.	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00295799 = 0.2662 BTC [+] {2}	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	what, if anything, do you think'd be different today ?	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	core devs would add decimal places? :)	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	right.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	now, imagine a different situation, in which 18.9 mn bitcoins have been hoarded.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	why would things be different ?	[20:11]
nubbins`	s/hoarded/saved	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	strictly because those 18.9 mn coins COULD BE SPENT. but if they're spent... they're no longer hoarded.	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	well it leaves potential for intense volatility	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	hoarding is self limiting. you either hoard or matter.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	yes. it does.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	guess what ? intense volatility hurts large holders most.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	yet another point of elegant beauty typical of satoshi designs.	[20:12]
asciilifeform	that's sorta like saying that falling out of an airplane sans parachute isn't really so bad, i fell out of my bed as a boy once	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	definitely intelligent design at work here.	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform which part you mean ?	[20:12]
asciilifeform	traditional argument - if enough of the hoard were dumped, one could see a catastrophic stampede	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	but it is in fact the people hoarding that have least interest to see this happen.	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	then hoarding is just building a bubble	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	the incentives are correctly alligned, which is the absolute most you can say of any system	[20:13]
asciilifeform	well that would depend on who's hoarding and why	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	money perverts.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	you can go into it thinking anything you wish	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.	[20:14]
asciilifeform	'nsa satoshi' hypothesis	[20:14]
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ThickAsThieves	or anarchist satoshi	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	this is me doing the ny jew hand gesture.	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	can't have trust as value without thinking everyone is out to get you!	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	and can't have sex as value without trying to hump vaguely calf-shaped electricity poles.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	or perhaps...	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, take the nsa satoshi hypothesis. so the nsa spent 5mn making this thing, which we all embraced. as part of that expenditure it has premined 10mn BTC, which it kept, secretly. we don't know.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	"we don't have 10bn in the budget. application denied."	[20:19]
jayk	hohoho	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin, even should it have made by nsa, has actually taken it over.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	win.	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	and for Anarcho Satoshi?	[20:19]
jayk	JP morgn wants to take it over	[20:20]
jayk	with their own version	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i should make Satoshi was an Anarchist shirts, everyone will buy them thinking it's for the opposite reason	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	there's no way to ensure it won't be tat taking it over, with his own version.	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	well thats obv	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	that's the problem here. bitcoin selects for and promotes some very narrow, specified things.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	and it doesn't negotiate with terrorists.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	for real, this time.	[20:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	(generally, the old adage goes, careful what you claim for yourself, you might live to meet it)	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	we just say, careful what you wish for	[20:22]
ThickAsThieves	(you just might get it)	[20:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15000107 BTC [-]	[20:22]
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ThickAsThieves	didnt Namworld buy that bitcoin shirt company?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	ya but i like mine better.	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if he'll do it for real	[20:23]
jayk	before the banks accept bitcoin, they are trying to start their own version, like jp morgan is doing	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	i just dont buy that	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	no corp will make a coin anytime soon	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	theyd have to be horribly out of touch	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	like OracleCoin	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	pretty much only Google or the USG could do it	[20:24]
Duffer1	you're talking about bankers here	[20:25]
Duffer1	horribly out of touch is their slogan	[20:25]
jurov	amazon alluded to it (maybe unintentionally)	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	a bank could od a very respectable coin.	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	they arent so out of touch that they would sell something no one would buy	[20:25]
jurov	but that wouldn't be bad step	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	problem is, it'd need diametric's hr. which they dont have.	[20:26]
Duffer1	i fully expect jpmorgan or somesuch to ipo an alt coin then bet against it	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	no way	[20:26]
jayk	i expect someone like netflix to offer payments in bitcoin soon	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	USG probly wont even let a bank make its own money	[20:26]
Duffer1	sure they could do a respectable coin	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	netflix wont accept btc in 2014	[20:27]
jayk	publicity stunt	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	nope	[20:27]
jayk	drive theit stock up	[20:27]
jayk	yes	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	they have enough momentum without it	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	they wouldnt wanna compromise	[20:27]
jayk	$$$	[20:27]
jayk	it works	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it wouldn't have to be an us bank.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : at the time the amsterdam bank rose to prominence, the thing that propelled it was its marginality	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	they likely learned their lesson about confusing their audience when they announced that new thing that never happened	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	what was it	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	specifically, small countries had problems with their clipped/worn currency	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	in general, a small outlier could take over the entire world economy by doing something smart like this.	[20:28]
jayk	overstock has gone up $15 in 1year	[20:28]
jayk	they now accept bitcoin dont they	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	that outlier would have to have some way to get trust and establish a blockchain	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	like google putting its own into Android	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	no. like getting the ok of someone in the space with enough authortiy to ok it.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	problem being, of course, the space is full of fakers, and otherwise insanely expensive.	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	so what wot do they use?	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	one of those "pay through the nose or waste your money" sort of situations which institutions handle so poorly.	[20:31]
jayk	haha: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1wt6mm/dont_broadcast_your_wifi_ssid_and_password_on/	[20:31]
jayk	superbowl wifi password broadcasted on national tv	[20:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23080 @ 0.00092721 = 21.4 BTC [-]	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	oh yeah thats today huh	[20:32]
Duffer1	wow..	[20:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]	[20:34]
ThickAsThieves	"Interesting fact: $1 million dollars weighs 10kg exactly"	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	finally found a qay to quantify dollars!	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	way*	[20:36]
jayk	i placed my first bitbet, mircea_popescu	[20:36]
*	jayk snickers	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	lol i wonder what on	[20:36]
jayk	snowden	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	a	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12428 @ 0.00092636 = 11.5128 BTC [-] {2}	[20:37]
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nubbins`	huh, http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	dang	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	aww	[20:42]
Mats_cd03	1mil or $10,099	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	he was better in flawless.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	wtf is capote.	[20:43]
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ThickAsThieves	why do celebs do heroine anyway? they spent all the other indulgences?	[20:46]
benkay`	"We won't be issuing another series for a while, nor will we be making further attempts to support seemingly "worthy" or "credible" "financiers" for a while, mostly because we're running out of quotes."	[20:46]
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mircea_popescu	waithat ?!	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76515.msg1311976#msg1311976	[20:47]
benkay`	old gold is all	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	when will mpex buy Ukyo & Graet debt?	[20:48]
benkay`	quick on the trigger you are today, ThickAsThieves	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	lol 2012	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	can't believe that chick's been building the snark since two years ago, and yet last month's noobs still "ambush" her	[20:49]
jurov	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/edward-snowden-intelligence-leak-nsa-contractor-extract	[20:49]
jurov	for anyone who did not follow it very closely	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	Feb 01 16:41:24 getting my hands on the source will be Altcoin's "2 weeks" << did you ?	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	still waiting	[20:52]
benkay`	mircea_popescu: i don't see the hash options on your list of closed mpex assets	[20:52]
benkay`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77712.0 & http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/#identifier_1_48644	[20:52]
benkay`	drop the footnote link etc	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	becayuse theyre still on neh ?	[20:53]
nubbins`	TheTrueHOOHA is actually a better name than DPR	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	$vwap X.IDIFF.JUN	[20:53]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	well, they are.	[20:53]
blg	HOOHA sounds very sexual	[20:54]
nubbins`	http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/1/30/1391079438373/Young-snowden-2-008.jpg	[20:54]
nubbins`	looks very sexual too	[20:54]
benkay`	what, you tryna tell me an option to buy hashes is a future diff?	[20:54]
blg	nubbins`: lol	[20:54]
benkay`	(diff future i mean)	[20:54]
benkay`	i'm really just being a pedant here	[20:55]
jurov	benkay` id right, it was distinct from today's futures	[20:55]
jurov	*is	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	jesus yeah, there was a distinct set that died horribly. ie, with the mm taking it up the ass.	[20:56]
benkay`	just from the pedants perspective that asset series closed	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	see, you're adding value already.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	now go make a post.	[20:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9470 @ 0.0009272 = 8.7806 BTC [+]	[20:57]
benkay`	when did that series close?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	i don't remember.	[20:57]
jurov	try archive.org	[20:57]
nubbins`	` is so trendy these days	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	(dude this is so cool, i'ma do a series of i don't remember / i don't recall and be just like a real banker nao!)	[20:58]
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nubbins`	jurov wins, benkay, you're out	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	benkay seriously tho, im pretty sure it was in a mpoe report. prolly died summer 2013 ?	[20:58]
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benkay	this is the point at which i decide to archive all mpoe reports	[20:58]
nubbins`	but if you do that, what are you gonna spend your credits on?	[20:59]
benkay	learning romanian duh	[21:00]
nubbins`	lel	[21:00]
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nubbins`	makes about as much sense as learning spanish just to read cien años de soledad, i guess	[21:01]
````	doesn't copying content from trilema need consent written by a sharpie which is then put into the ass?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	more sense than learning spanish to talk to the maid.	[21:01]
benkay	french is next on the docket	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	```` as long as he doesn't distribute it...	[21:02]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, i actually met someone who was doing that once	[21:02]
nubbins`	(for the book, not the maid)	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	i met both	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	my mother learned greek to read kavafis	[21:02]
nubbins`	TBH even in english it's beautiful, beautiful prose	[21:02]
nubbins`	i can't even imagine what it's like in the original language	[21:02]
benkay	the answer is August 2012, for those who care.	[21:03]
benkay	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg1152708#msg1152708	[21:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093231 = 5.0345 BTC [+]	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	so summer indeed. wrong year, but hey.	[21:05]
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ThickAsThieves	me: "How is it 2pm already?""	[21:07]
ThickAsThieves	wife: "You are a furry mess."	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	now rant at her about high finance	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	as if that makes it ok "no but honey til!"	[21:09]
ThickAsThieves	"Yeah well your dollars are turning into dust!"	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/429668252810100737 << ThickAsThieves	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	most nobody even noticed, or cared. except for the finest tuned of watchdogs or w/e	[21:24]
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benkay	attacked?	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	"There are more transactions of the cryptocurrency than Bitcoin, although it is only worth a tiny fraction of Bitcoin."	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	http://www.sbs.com.au/news/blog/2014/01/29/blog-dogecoins-message-chinese-investor-wolong	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	it's quite clear if you do aggregate counting.	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	they are attacking bitcoin. perhaps in the manner an ant attacks a rhino, but nevertheless. as far as the ant is concerned, in its own system of representations, that's what's going on.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#469653	[21:29]
benkay	entertaining and all but from the ants perspective how is what they're doing an attack?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	ant will kill rhino, skin it, wear the skin as king of the jungle.	[21:30]
benkay	like 'i am startup and will rule all the buttcorns'?	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	because if you get more fuckwits to retweet your inane shit you will thus therefore be "bigger" and "more important" than people with fewer retweets.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	it's web start-up brain rot, quite typical.	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	in principle, every circlejerk imagines itself "the only thing out there". like, the us thinks it's "the world". any us court thinks it has universal jurisdiction. any us politician thinks that his decisions matter universally.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	the va circus, as hopelessly fucked as they are, imagine that "all entrepreneurship" is... well... them.	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	that they will be crushed by much larger things that exist independent of their knowledge or understanding is about as aliento them as mpex customers to jimmothey	[21:33]
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mircea_popescu	so basically what we have here, is "everyone" in the sense of "everyone that goes to tech conferences in SF and reads techcrunch religiously" figures they can take over this novel idea.	[21:33]
````	i can vaguely recall some very negative sentiment on ycombinator and else	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	;;google ycombinator jointly and severally	[21:34]
gribble	Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; Series AA Stock Purchase Agreement - Y Combinator: ; European reforms are not enough, joint liability needed:	[21:34]
````	then the silicon valley bank deal came (which ended nowhere)	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[21:34]
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benkay	well sv bank can hardly be thought of as a high finance operation	[21:34]
benkay	they do payroll and what have you	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	anyway. an attack it is.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	ironically, while the correct move may seem to be to support ltc to crush them back into the swamp,	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	the actual correct move is to simply support other alternatives to burn their underbase.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	you want them to eat ltc's lunch to some degree, much like you want about 50 other groups to start their own, doge-food eating bitcoin killers.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	so you know... ATC/ALT getting more hash than doge serves a good purpose in the end.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	(funny how nobody seems to have noticed that, too :p)	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	so what you're saying is Altcoin really is the first altcoin with a purpose	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	hehe. myeah.	[21:37]
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````	woooo what a plot	[21:37]
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jayk	a	[21:38]
jayk	:\|	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	You see dear Internet, Juraj Variny was a simple country boy... you might say a cockeyed optimist, who got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.	[21:38]
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jurov	better go back to milk goats	[21:40]
benkay	goat tits	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	you can never go back.	[21:40]
jayk	goat milk is will keep you alive for weeks	[21:40]
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jayk	-is	[21:41]
jurov	only for weeks? afaik it's retty complete nutrition	[21:41]
jurov	*pretty :)	[21:41]
jayk	you might get sick of it and prefer to die	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	needs some slibowitz	[21:41]
jurov	^^	[21:41]
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jayk	ovaltine	[21:42]
KRS-	Mmm plum brandy?	[21:42]
KRS-	Humans are the only animal who natually drink another animal's milk.	[21:42]
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KRS-	Although cats enjoy milk from cows, its not like they would get it in the wild.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	cats do too if they can get it.	[21:43]
jayk	my cat is afraid of ducks	[21:43]
jurov	no duck milk for her, then.	[21:44]
benkay	cats are filthy scavenging vermin	[21:44]
jayk	lol	[21:44]
benkay	undomesticated to boot	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	blasphemy	[21:44]
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benkay	get thee hence	[21:44]
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jurov	#b-assets erupts into riots caused by unkind remark about cats	[21:45]
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benkay	listen i expect my dependents to honor my every desire and worship at my feet	[21:46]
benkay	women are hard enough to domesticate	[21:46]
benkay	cats are impossible	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	for example?	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	srsly, cats aren't that bad.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	much like women, they autodomesticate if you're cool.	[21:47]
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benkay	oh you	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	you may occasionally have to throw one out the window into traffic, but w/e	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	what's it cost, 200 bux tops.	[21:48]
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ThickAsThieves	pretty much if you get a cat while its impressionable, make a good impression, it is a great pet	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	sometimes you get crazy ones	[21:48]
chipug	same with women	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	most mistreated cats will actually also come to sanity	[21:48]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe, but those are also void of personality	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	they're not that stupid to not be able to tell the difference, just need some time to decompress	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	nah, not rly.	[21:49]
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benkay	perhaps its that i live in america where men don't know how to handle women or cats and so all cats i encounter are of the 'let me out now let me in now let me piss on your rug' variety	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	the only cat I have problems with is the wanna-be alpha that keeps attacking the smallest female	[21:50]
punkman	cats are assholes	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	benkay so take a kitten and raise it separately.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/your-cookies-are-borkt-seriously/#comment-97890	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	well thats your first problem benkay	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	dont let cats outside	[21:51]
benkay	i am not maintaining a shitbox.	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	get a maid	[21:52]
benkay	i am not paying someone to maintain a shitbox in my residence.	[21:52]
ThickAsThieves	you cant both have time for the finer things AND do everything yourseldf	[21:52]
benkay	i am not having fucking absorbent chemically impregnated who knows the fuck what scattered all about my living space	[21:52]
benkay	finer things, in my case, are dogs.	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	like those dont stink or need to go outside?	[21:53]
benkay	works with my personal proclivities marginally better	[21:53]
benkay	you know, like going outside	[21:53]
benkay	all living things stink	[21:54]
Bones	I'm a dog man myself, but benkay you still have a yard full of shit. Now what?	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	all dead things stink too	[21:54]
benkay	i personally walk my dog	[21:54]
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benkay	why on earth would i have a yard!?	[21:54]
benkay	or a house!?	[21:54]
benkay	sounds like a great deal of overhead.	[21:54]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/smg-ianuarie-2014-statement/	[21:55]
Bones	So you would rather pick up shit than clear a shitbox. To each their own I suppose?	[21:55]
ThickAsThieves	lol, sounds like a joke	[21:55]
ThickAsThieves	I don't want a house, too much over head	[21:55]
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benkay	Bones: did you miss the part where the shit is in your living space in one of those scenarios? or does that not matter to you?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	he lives on a hilltop.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	benkay i got news for you. the stuff that makes beer good ? it's shit, man. little craps taking a doodoo in your drink.	[21:56]
benkay	oh its chemistry o'clock nao	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	bread chiefly consists of other species' farts.	[21:56]
jurov	and fish piss into drinking water	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	what is the proper daily dose of cat shit?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-assets grossout party ftw.	[21:57]
benkay	is this an elegant demonstration of the modern practice of saying things are other things cause words and derp?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	we;re like preteen girlies over here.	[21:57]
Bones	lolpoop	[21:58]
benkay	look i farted - now you have my poo particles in your mouth	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	benkay, we're just making you pay the price of hating on the world's most loved animal	[21:58]
benkay	what, women?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	he hated on anteaters ?!	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	...	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	this is serious business ladies!	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	ok Chickasschivas.	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/mina-competenta.gif << speaking of kitty training	[22:01]
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benkay	i like the little recoil and pouty face	[22:02]
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benkay	goat hiding his tracks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82573.0	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[22:05]
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benkay	not terribly effectively though	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	the thing with goat is that he's pretty much azn	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	he does a superficial 1st take of anything and leaves it at that.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	other than that he;s just persistent. pretty much his whole strat.	[22:09]
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benkay	not a terribly bad strategy so long as he allocates correctly on his +ev options	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	it takes a particular sort of scum to actually apply it tho.	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	more adequate to whoring out anyway. i guess as an older guy he can't enjoy that where he is, so what's one to do.	[22:12]
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ThickAsThieves	question, if i take the source from a different coingen package, is that not the same thing as what i need	[22:19]
ThickAsThieves	since we need to reverese engineer from genesis block anyway	[22:19]
benkay	aw man	[22:19]
benkay	the -assets altcoin doesn't have source in the wild. that's hilarious.	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	well it was a whim	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what is the problem there anyway	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	my guess, it's the weekend	[22:20]
benkay	"a thing worth doing is worth doing well"	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	you never know when your whim coallesces into a schelling point.	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	kill all the whimsy!	[22:21]
benkay	life is dead serious	[22:21]
benkay	be serious or be dead	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	this is why satoshi ran off	[22:21]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	he couldn't cope with responsibilities of fatherhood.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	deadbeatdadscoin	[22:21]
ThickAsThieves	smart man	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	^ think about it. the coin to pay all alinomy in. utterly worthless coin everyone loves	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	FOR THAT REASON	[22:22]
ThickAsThieves	it is interesting though, how much work it really takes these days to promote a coin	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.msg4899791#msg4899791	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if she just killed yet another thread or else we get epic butthurt	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	but back to my orginal question	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	if i get other coingen'd source	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	can we work from it?	[22:24]
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ThickAsThieves	i assume itd need to be a SHA256 coin	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	possibly. you'll need the original block details tho	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	which you should be able to have a miner dump	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	pankakke mined it	[22:25]
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mircea_popescu	then i have no doubt pankake can do by hand whatever's done automatically by coingen.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	which... sucks for him.	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	why?	[22:25]
pankkake	from what I see with bernankoin, all the details of the genesis block are in block 0 too	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	i'll pay	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	why, cause it's work.	[22:26]
pankkake	it's annoying, lol	[22:26]
ThickAsThieves	so annoying you wouldnt do it?	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you want to make a better coingen.io ?	[22:26]
pankkake	making that thing work was half my "development" time	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	with incorporated market (so all your new coins can be INSTA traded for al lothers ?)	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	that may actually be a revenu driver.	[22:26]
pankkake	maybe, not sure if it's worth the time	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	insta pools, etc	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	hard to guess, maybe a few bitcoins a month.	[22:27]
pankkake	yes, it has to provide exchange	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	likely what the new owners of coingenio plan to do...	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	you can definitely sink the coingen thing, from what my research shows bluematt sold it to an idiot.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	and you can blow cryptsy right out of the water, because in is wholly manned by idiots	[22:28]
ThickAsThieves	mp if you put money into such i thing i will too	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	(check out their hiring page sometime for lulz)	[22:28]
ThickAsThieves	who was it that had the exchange	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we start with that	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic ?	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	bt-x or something	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic baby, can you code ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	the beauty of #bitcoin-assets. businesses just fall in your lap all the time	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	to the degree one can't humanly cope.	[22:30]
pankkake	yeah :\|	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	and also, benkay, you doing anything other than blogging and fucking your cat these days ?	[22:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	cause a CLOJURE driven altcoin maker + exchange would be so fucking cool	[22:30]
benkay	dealing with the ungodly long enterprise sales cycle is all	[22:30]
benkay	oh god stop	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	nosrsly.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	read the log	[22:31]
benkay	oh i have	[22:31]
benkay	let's do it in clojure you guys	[22:31]
benkay	someone knock together a reasonable ownership structure	[22:31]
pankkake	altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool	[22:32]
pankkake	set up an api for middlecoin	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	benkay you just put in all the work, then we list x% on mpex and people can invest.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	let the market sort out the ownership structure.	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	later we partner with fiverr for logo designers	[22:32]
benkay	i hate working for free	[22:33]
blg	99designs is good too	[22:33]
benkay	HATE	[22:33]
ThickAsThieves	he maybe we need to make a bitcoin fiverr too	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	a that's a point.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	well, how much do you want to be paid to altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool ?	[22:33]
pankkake	altcoin singularity	[22:33]
blg	1000 btc	[22:33]
benkay	that's a great big fuck off pile of work	[22:34]
benkay	;;calc 1000*800	[22:34]
gribble	800000	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	blg what do you think this is, testnet btc ?	[22:35]
blg	15:33 < mircea_popescu> well, how much do you want to be paid to altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool ?	[22:35]
blg	i was answering that question	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	he was too	[22:35]
blg	then i dont get the reference	[22:35]
blg	sorry	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	he's saying will you be paid in monopoly btc?	[22:35]
blg	oh lol	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	cmon it really cant cost $1m to make such thing	[22:36]
blg	i have no problems turning monopoly in to real	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	just buy the existing pieces	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[22:36]
blg	well you have to buy a good programmer for the alt coin	[22:36]
benkay	ahaha	[22:37]
benkay	ho	[22:37]
pankkake	lol	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	blg you misunderstand	[22:37]
benkay	tee hee	[22:37]
blg	i didnt read the scrollback at all once again i apologize	[22:37]
pankkake	the cost would be mostly having to run each coin daemon/pool	[22:37]
pankkake	otherwise, everything is automated	[22:38]
pankkake	well I don't know how to automate the windows build	[22:38]
benkay	yeah we skip windows build	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	automate the windows build IN CLOJURE	[22:38]
benkay	no.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	come on, if this isn't sexy i dunno what is.	[22:38]
pankkake	no people are mad if there is no windows	[22:38]
benkay	really?	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	must has windows. this is altscams here.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	nobody even knows what linux is in that subforum	[22:38]
pankkake	yes. first posts of bernankoin :(	[22:39]
Duffer1	the world isn't ready for MP coin ^.^	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	help us centralize decentralization	[22:39]
Duffer1	still rely on windows deployment for mass adoption	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	coelho has warped ThickAsThieves' brain to the degree i don't know when he's paraquoting anymore.	[22:39]
benkay	windows over os x?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	you kidding ?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	you can't buy osx ready systems on food stamps.	[22:40]
benkay	no i have no idea about altcoin mkt	[22:40]
benkay	oh i see welfarecoin	[22:40]
benkay	(s)	[22:40]
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pankkake	what's next, KentuckyFriedCoin?	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	maybe with contract with USG for UScoin	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	we	[22:41]
benkay	okay so concerns	[22:41]
benkay	i don't want to run this	[22:41]
lippoper	we should make a pizzacoin	[22:42]
benkay	more than happy to set up servers etc but it must be actually run by not me	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	well it should run wherever whomever knows best thinks it should	[22:43]
benkay	location is another concern i want delegated to capitalizers of operation	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	what's "location" ?	[22:43]
ThickAsThieves	of servers	[22:43]
benkay	well there's an altcoin market involved right?	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	if he doesn't run it how exactly could he establish location	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	benkay altcoin-to-coin stricjtly.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	we don't encourage the use of scamfiat.	[22:44]
benkay	ofc	[22:44]
benkay	so needs dedi	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[22:44]
blg	mircea_popescu: i'm PM'ing you if that's ok	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	you'll be herp-ddos'd all the time too. needs a decent dedi.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	go ahead	[22:45]
benkay	colo with mpex?	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	then again this could easily live in the cloud.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	prolly better that way as you'll have inelastic loads lal the time	[22:45]
benkay	no way are you suggesting putting wallets on virtual instances	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	why not /	[22:46]
jurov	benkay: no way you are suggesting putting wallets on frontend webserver	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:46]
benkay	right	[22:46]
benkay	oh well sure web heads are virtualized	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	so they'r evirtual. what of it ? so are you. backup well, be happy.	[22:47]
jurov	and amazon does offer persistent storage since 2 years ago or so	[22:47]
benkay	talking about different things here	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov you wanna host this ?	[22:48]
benkay	i'm talking about linode-style virtualization compromises of wallets	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	benkay no because they can't read CLOJURE	[22:48]
jurov	and i'm asking why does one need zero-latency wallet access	[22:49]
benkay	one doesn't, jurov	[22:49]
jurov	it can happily live 50ms away	[22:49]
benkay	mp stoppit	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	what, are you trying to put a CLOJURE on my expression ?	[22:49]
benkay	ermergerhd	[22:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.003 = 0.201 BTC [+]	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:49]
benkay	playing my biases so obviously just puts my hackles up	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	no, this is a legitimate business angle.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	we'll just os the entire thing.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	get a buncha fucktarded kids try to learn clojure to make their own market thing.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	epic.	[22:50]
benkay	well, it's just lisp so they shouldn't have too hard of a time	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	so you think.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	windows lips compiler ?	[22:51]
benkay	agqreiuhglerjbgaksdljbfsd	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	preferably as a python module ?	[22:51]
asciilifeform	obligatory turd! http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	can you compile lisp in python run on linux via cygwin ?	[22:51]
asciilifeform	(how many people keep a flame war strong for ~5 yrs)	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	(provided of course you use ALL CAPS in the code)	[22:51]
benkay	mircea_popescu: http://docs.hylang.org/en/latest/	[22:52]
jurov	only with javascript and node emulation layer	[22:52]
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mircea_popescu	jurov you mean they could get this in phpmyadmin ?	[22:52]
asciilifeform	write it in INTERCAL.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	cause that'd help, they know phpmyadmin	[22:52]
jurov	implemented in haskell	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	but all the fun aside, srsly, a foss clojure implementation of this would actually be a great thing.	[22:53]
benkay	so: dev priorities then	[22:53]
Namworld	What the heck is this you are all talking about? Some retarted process that equals job security because you're then the only one able to update and maintain the business apps and software?	[22:53]
benkay	coingen, exchange, poolgen?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	Namworld im trying to give the kid a breadloaf and he;'s trying to price himself out of it.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	like all business ever.	[22:54]
benkay	exchange, coingen, poolgen?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	benkay all 4 are needed out of the gate.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	anyway, from what i read of lisp it is very productive and should be easy if you know what you're doing so like 500 lines of code.	[22:55]
benkay	what's number 4?	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	seeds	[22:55]
Jere_Jones	lol	[22:55]
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benkay	ah seeds	[22:55]
Jere_Jones	"Just a couple of if statements"	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones i know bunches of ppl who freelance, right ? "plz build me a better brain. should be easy if you know what you're doing'. 90% of all projects.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	intercal, i tell ya. what other language has a 'come from' statement.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform basic read backwards ?	[22:56]
Jere_Jones	mircea_popescu: I'm in process of writting an exchange and the devil is in the details. Anyway, that was a joke from a manager that I used to have where everything was simple and just needed a "couple of if statements".	[22:57]
KRS-	Oh cool, another coin.	[22:58]
KRS-	http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/150/6	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	another coin, another dolla.	[22:58]
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KRS-	Other currencies, like Bitcoin, use dumb hard coded ‘mining’ processes that produces coins at a fixed rate that can’t change.	[22:59]
pankkake	oh god another DAC. where is the code, how is it supposed to work, stfu	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	the longer we take to get to the altcoin singularity, the less bitcoins we can make off it	[22:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2425 @ 0.00011977 = 0.2904 BTC [+]	[23:00]
jurov	all this ruckus.. just use some mature language supported by IDE with proper visual debugger	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	and meanwhile, i invite you all to a sing-along!	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY92AE1Aj-U	[23:00]
jurov	does clojure has it?	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	yes actually	[23:00]
KRS-	This is really odd.	[23:00]
jurov	php does not to this day (except some commercial ones)	[23:00]
pankkake	IDEs? visual debuggers? real men don't use that	[23:00]
jayk	mircea_popescu: how many companies do you have active	[23:00]
jurov	we are not talking about real men	[23:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011978 = 0.5989 BTC [+]	[23:01]
pankkake	next you're going to tell me you use a MOUSE	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	jayk a number thereof. i need an accountant for an exact count. why ?	[23:01]
jayk	curious i know of mpex and bitbet	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	a public btc corps, 4	[23:01]
KRS-	ThickAsThieves can you describe the altcoin singularity? I'm not sure what to make of all this coin sillyness.	[23:01]
jayk	oic	[23:01]
jurov	pankkake you use coinbr in lynx?	[23:01]
jayk	i signed up for mpex i will study it later	[23:01]
pankkake	I use pentadactyl	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	not any rush	[23:01]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think i wanna subject this channel to me describing it	[23:01]
KRS-	link?	[23:02]
benkay	jurov: it's called emacs	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	fuck i lost my drink	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	what is this world coming to.	[23:02]
jayk	oh	[23:02]
jayk	i dont drink	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	well now neither do i.	[23:02]
jayk	hah	[23:02]
jayk	superbowl time	[23:02]
jayk	bbl	[23:02]
pankkake	altcoin singularity = you only need to input parameters, exchange, pool comes online, middlecoin mines it and sells it	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	and sends you a report of how much profit it made.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	and an animated gif of the champagne.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	it's all very virtual.	[23:03]
benkay	has anyone here built an altcoin from source?	[23:03]
jurov	benkay i'm visual person and do bes with actual shapes, not just screenful of text	[23:03]
KRS-	an easier way to get BTC because of the inflated value?	[23:03]
jayk	benkay: i have a link for you	[23:03]
jayk	if you want to	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	benkay iirc pankkake has.	[23:03]
jayk	coingen.io	[23:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2425 @ 0.000119 = 0.2886 BTC [-]	[23:04]
jayk	or there is a free verison but it might give yoau headache	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	omg ppls read the log.	[23:04]
benkay	free version of coingen?	[23:04]
benkay	can't say as i know what you're going on about.	[23:04]
jayk	i think he charges .05?	[23:04]
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jayk	oh ok nvm	[23:04]
benkay	go watch your sportsball.	[23:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22778 @ 0.00093295 = 21.2507 BTC [+] {2}	[23:05]
jayk	http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/f6ae0f64.zip	[23:05]
benkay	asciilifeform: it's a turd, but it ain't java.	[23:05]
ThickAsThieves	;;ud singularity	[23:06]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=singularity \| singularity. A point in time at which, theoretically, technological progress accelerates exponentially, such that nothing taking place follwing said point can be ...	[23:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00093379 = 2.8219 BTC [+]	[23:06]
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ThickAsThieves	predicted	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	jayk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475503 KRS- http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475319	[23:06]
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ThickAsThieves	tonight, we dine on lunch!	[23:07]
KRS-	Thanks mircea_popescu	[23:07]
jayk	oh	[23:08]
benkay	going afk for a bit gents	[23:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.099 = 0.594 BTC [+]	[23:09]
jayk	you dont like that	[23:09]
jayk	guy	[23:09]
benkay	also mircea_popescu save me from myself and help me not price myself out	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	thats easy	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	just say what it really costs	[23:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1185 = 0.237 BTC [+]	[23:10]
benkay	requires knowing how long it really takes	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	or estimation thereof	[23:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC	[23:11]
nubbins`	^	[23:11]
pankkake	I seems like an awful lot	[23:12]
pankkake	many different things	[23:12]
benkay	such moving parts	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	it's a whole business really	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	not just a dev project	[23:12]
benkay	's why i keep saying stop saying clojure to mp	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	it is a lot of work, yes. that's part of why it's worth doing, it always pays to sink your teeth in and do a fundamental bit well than try and chew a little off the edges.	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	needs ongoing work too	[23:13]
benkay	how is the relationship with kakobrekla set up for ongoing work on bitbet?	[23:13]
pankkake	writing the exchange can be fun. the rest… eh	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	he got half the equity.	[23:14]
benkay	so he's incentivized to ship more to improve his profits	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	he's incentivised to have the thing running smoothly., which it has been.	[23:14]
benkay	i actually think setting up build servers would be fun	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	and that too was a lot of work, even if not necessarily obvious immediately.	[23:15]
benkay	uptime's a thing, yes	[23:16]
benkay	back in a few	[23:16]
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turbo_ac100	Weren't all No bets on 'BitBet haxxed in 2013' supposed to be refunded and not paid out?	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 yeah.	[23:20]
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dub	uptime is 13 years, 31 weeks, 3 days, 20 hours, 29 minutes	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	dub your c0k ?	[23:20]
*	dub does things	[23:20]
jayk	did kakobrekla make the appl mistake?	[23:20]
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turbo_ac100	But the were paid. Gift from kakobrekla I suppose. Thanks.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	dub but srsly, you wanna host things ?	[23:21]
dub	fuck no	[23:21]
nubbins`	heh	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 make sure to make a thread about how bitbet's been scamming users tho.	[23:21]
dub	I just draw pictures, actual work is for monkeys	[23:22]
nubbins`	heh, ^	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	the paradox of honestly : idiots fucking up will amply report how it's all your fault. when you fuck up and you cover it... well... nobody really wants to mention it, cause w/e, kinda embarassing.	[23:22]
dub	what needs hosting?	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	the future of stupidity!	[23:23]
turbo_ac100	kakobrekla is scamming himself; not enough troll food in that one, sadly	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 exactly.	[23:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC	[23:24]
nubbins`	"Listings for virtual currency are not permitted on the ebay.ca site and this category will be removed on February 10, 2014. You may continue to list these items on the ebay.com site in the Coins & Paper Money>Virtual Currency category in the Classified Ad format only."	[23:27]
dub	wat	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00082017 = 0.8202 BTC [+] {5}	[23:29]
ThickAsThieves	you wanna sell this garbage, go to america!	[23:29]
dub	I thought ebay.uk was adding virtual currency category onfeb 10	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	it's all very complicated.	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6500 @ 0.00011978 = 0.7786 BTC [+]	[23:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093192 = 8.3407 BTC [-]	[23:40]
jurov	bitstamp got hdd failure?	[23:41]
jurov	or what?	[23:41]
jurov	or they ran out of power in slovenia?	[23:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00093379 = 16.8549 BTC [+]	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	apparently slovenia has an issue	[23:44]
herbijudlestoids	mornin	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	kako ran out of juice earlier	[23:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04800011 = 0.336 BTC [-]	[23:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18551 @ 0.00093102 = 17.2714 BTC [-] {2}	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	http://www.bertc.com/subsix/i95/images/95-30.jpg << guess the chick.	[23:46]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i hadnt really planned to make it into a blog post, but duffer1 asked if i had and i thought maybe it might be interesting to see what happens if i put it in a blog post :P ...whats wrong with blogspot?	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	it sucks omg!	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	seriously, get a blog you control.	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.169 BTC [-]	[23:47]
herbijudlestoids	very specific of you :P	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	you don't want some random idiots with a "here's a link to our other stuff" on your page,	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	you don't want to be stuck if you want to move domains,	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	you don't want anyone deciding if and when to put a "warning page" on your material,	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	you don't want them filtering your comments, or generally,	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	you don't want to help google in any way whatsoever unless it's paying for it.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	do your own things.	[23:49]
herbijudlestoids	i think im ok with most of those things, and i feel like as long as there is no ads on the site then its probably costing google more than they are making off me in analytics	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	i'm never going to comment on it, for instance.	[23:51]
herbijudlestoids	im sure in the cases where iv said something stupid enough to warrant your comment, ill hear about it from gribble anyway :P	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	entirely possible.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	all hitler needs is for ordinary people to keep using google.	[23:52]
punkman	we need Mircea Popescu's Search Engine	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	nah, let them do that.	[23:53]
jayk	卍	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	just don't help them do other things. buy ford cars, don't buy ford umbrellas.	[23:53]
punkman	the Android AIDS is spreading pretty fast	[23:55]
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jayk	android aids?	[23:56]
herbijudlestoids	so basically i gotta go and setup fkn wordpress and buy a domain just to write some blogs i didnt originally intend to write lol	[23:58]
herbijudlestoids	yea i think ill pass	[23:58]
punkman	herbijudlestoids: http://staticsitegenerators.net/	[23:59]
punkman	you can just pastebin it	[23:59]
punkman	beats blogspot	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	pretty much anything beats blogspot.	[23:59]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake see, there's the usercase	[23:59]

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