Forum logs for 02 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1749 BTC [-] [00:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10233 @ 0.00090918 = 9.3036 BTC [-] [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.00092071 = 78.2604 BTC [+] {5} [00:14]
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deadweasel pankkake: start pumping out altcoins like TAT, maybe you'll pull some off btc ;) [00:17]
mircea_popescu [00:30]
mircea_popescu i thought they were pumping it together. [00:30]
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jurov no xenu. bot good. [00:39]
jurov *but [00:39]
mircea_popescu hello sir [00:40]
mircea_popescu we here at mp house all halal, no xenu at all. [00:40]
decimation TAT's altcoin should be ported to work inside Ethereum [00:40]
decimation maybe you can trade altcoin for ethers or whatever [00:41]
mircea_popescu does that actually require any chances on the coin side ? [00:41]
mircea_popescu ethereum can just do it neh ? [00:41]
jurov i vote for porting bernankoin [00:42]
decimation right, Ethereum just does whatever, because it's turing complete. [00:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6067 @ 0.00091685 = 5.5625 BTC [-] [00:44]
ThickAsThieves [17:41] by your definition that makes Altcoin just as purposeless though, right? [00:46]
ThickAsThieves [17:44] Wrong, i just stated its purpose. Without Altcoin, all altcoins would be purposeless. [00:46]
deadweasel and the circle of life goes on. [00:46]
deadweasel circle-jerk* [00:46]
mircea_popescu my magical future predictive ai (whose name is joan) fails to predict any possible alternative to this thing taking over altspace. [00:47]
mircea_popescu it's just too stupid for anything else. [00:47]
Namworld Wait, in the header. What's the name on the board. It ends with O. [00:47]
mircea_popescu Namworld some localised monopoly. [00:48]
Namworld Looks like it's written "Monopolio". Is that it? [00:48]
mircea_popescu i think so [00:48]
mircea_popescu spanish or italian or some shit [00:48]
Namworld Weird [00:49]
Namworld Couldn't they have just changed the y for an i? Monopoli [00:49]
Namworld Would have sounded about the same as in english that way. [00:50]
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mircea_popescu i suppose when people localise shit how it sounds in english is not a consideration. [00:50]
nubbins` netduino [00:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00095705 = 52.6378 BTC [+] {4} [00:53]
nubbins` as an aside, i find "scammor" to be a pleasant, if unintentional, spelling [00:53]
mircea_popescu no, it was intentional. [00:53]
nubbins` even more pleasant, then [00:54]
mircea_popescu hacker - haxxor [00:54]
pankkake is that glamor+scammer? [00:54]
nubbins` brings me back to a heated grade-school argument over "better" vs "bettor" to describe one who bets [00:54]
mircea_popescu scammer - scammor. to distinguish between the fucktard and the person sort-of doing it, technically, but with coolness excuses. [00:54]
pankkake so when you get scammed, you can say "at least the guy was good" [00:55]
mircea_popescu pankkake ever been with a hooker ? [00:55]
nubbins` hookor [00:55]
mircea_popescu lol [00:55]
pankkake no [00:55]
mircea_popescu koh-i-noor [00:56]
nubbins` haha [00:56]
mircea_popescu well, my next question was, ever been with a hooker you didn't mind paying. [00:56]
nubbins` AMAZING PENS [00:56]
nubbins` [00:56]
mircea_popescu yup. i ate a lot of those. [00:56]
nubbins` they're popular with screenprinters who do things the old-school way (ink on vellum) [00:57]
mircea_popescu some scams are fun. you go to vegas and drop a coupla grand, whatever, it's an amusement park. [00:58]
nubbins` i think most people doing that don't have fun [00:59]
pankkake I'm too much of a scrooge to ever pay for those things [00:59]
mircea_popescu how are the girls supposed to live if you don't pay ? [00:59]
nubbins` scrooge de canard [00:59]
mircea_popescu lol [00:59]
mircea_popescu du [01:00]
nubbins` right! [01:00]
nubbins` it's always the small words that give me trouble [01:00]
mircea_popescu scrooge enchaine du canard nue [01:00]
mircea_popescu this could actually be a club. [01:00]
pankkake neither of you make sense [01:01]
nubbins` heh [01:01]
nubbins` what, we can't just pick random mots and use them dans a phrase?! [01:01]
mircea_popescu they be not random! [01:01]
mircea_popescu enchainé, there. happy ? [01:01]
mircea_popescu fucking accents and special chars all the time. [01:01]
nubbins` ^ this [01:02]
pankkake maybe it's my throbbing headache [01:02]
lippoper .bait is offline? :-( [01:02]
pankkake cricital infrastructure down! [01:02]
mircea_popescu let's reconstruct this! lmao. [01:02]
nubbins` written accents indicate a massive failure [01:02]
pankkake yet no one noticed gribble being offline for a few hours [01:02]
lippoper lol [01:02]
nubbins` tbh i was waiting for an AMAZING COMPANY! earlier [01:02]
nubbins` wait, isn't that assbot? [01:03]
lippoper Can't go fishing without bait [01:03]
kakobrekla maybe assbot is not mac compatible [01:03]
kakobrekla i dunno [01:03]
nubbins` yeah, maybe ;p [01:03]
pankkake assbot is case sensitive [01:03]
lippoper assbot needs to start producing some ass bait [01:03]
pankkake amazing [01:03]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:03]
nubbins` amazIng [01:03]
pankkake AMAZiNG [01:03]
nubbins` huh. [01:03]
nubbins` well then [01:04]
kakobrekla is it really? [01:04]
kakobrekla AMAZING [01:04]
lippoper World's finest! [01:04]
kakobrekla it is. [01:04]
nubbins` [01:04]
pankkake I was expecting you to troll us, kakobrekla [01:04]
pankkake I am disappoint [01:04]
kakobrekla myea [01:04]
pankkake that timing was amazing though [01:04]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:04]
kakobrekla but you expected it , so it wouldnt be fun [01:04]
nubbins` separated at birth [01:05]
nubbins` (by several thousand miles) [01:05]
kakobrekla lol [01:05]
nubbins` (and probably several years) [01:05]
pankkake XORed at birth [01:05]
nubbins` "do you want a vag birth or a c-section?" [01:05]
nubbins` "yes, please" [01:05]
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nubbins` did i mention earlier about that gut flora article i was reading? [01:06]
mircea_popescu yes you did. [01:06]
nubbins` interesting stuff [01:06]
lippoper yes no need to bring it up [01:06]
nubbins` the take-away i got from it is that you should smear shit on your newborn if you Aliened it into the world [01:07]
nubbins` and no, before you ask, i'm not a doctor [01:07]
pankkake just eat on the floor [01:07]
mircea_popescu kinda why pre-birth enemas went out of fashion [01:07]
nubbins` wow, before my time, i gues [01:08]
nubbins` altho TBF even if it wasn't, would i have known? [01:08]
mircea_popescu they did it all the way to the ww2. [01:08]
lippoper Women stiil had bush [01:08]
mircea_popescu specifically to avoid the female "shit on your baby" reflex. [01:08]
nubbins` now the child is immediately dipped in Purell hand sanitizer [01:08]
lippoper No one really knew what a vag looked like thanks to all the bush [01:09]
nubbins` only the men who earned their wings knew, you mean [01:09]
nubbins` pankkake, is that a monospace font? [01:10]
lippoper there was a lot of troll in the last sentence [01:10]
mircea_popescu [01:10]
mircea_popescu gotta love all the noob posters hardcoring tat. [01:10]
pankkake yes. Droid Sans Mono [01:10]
nubbins` :( [01:11]
mircea_popescu i tell you, i've had so much fun with this thread these days... [01:11]
lewicki WTB Altcoins [01:11]
nubbins` "Did I do the math wrong or is this really larger than all other altcoins atm?" [01:11]
mircea_popescu pankkake has some. [01:11]
nubbins` HAHAHAHAHA [01:11]
pankkake I'm not selling! [01:12]
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mircea_popescu why not ? [01:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56001101 BTC [-] [01:12]
nubbins` to the ceiling! [01:12]
pankkake lol [01:13]
pankkake I'm going to convince my dentist to accept it instead [01:13]
nubbins` i'm going to convince tat that he needs t-shirts for all [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] [01:14]
jurov pankkake: tellhim to add liquuidity to teeht/altcoin market [01:14]
jurov *teeth [01:14]
jurov derp [01:15]
pankkake I will have a used crown soon [01:15]
lewicki So, no Altcoins for sale? [01:15]
jurov i have altcoin futures [01:15]
jurov with bitcoin delivery [01:15]
mircea_popescu lewicki apparently the miners don't wanna sell yet. [01:16]
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Vexual price is 0.0004 per each [01:17]
pankkake > [01:17]
mircea_popescu ya srsly wtf. [01:17]
mircea_popescu Vexual get on a horse man. [01:17]
pankkake haha, that's the guys, I knew I saw it earlier [01:18]
lewicki that 100k marketcap, yeah, nty [01:18]
mircea_popescu lewicki let the diff stabilize some first anyway. [01:18]
mircea_popescu shoot in the dark at this point [01:18]
pankkake I can't find any new block… [01:19]
mircea_popescu << you gotta be kidding me, that's like... how many dogecoins total bet ? [01:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:19]
Vexual 0.0004 is just south of 1% [01:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [-] [01:20]
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mircea_popescu Vexual how many atcs do you have anyway [01:22]
Vexual 8 blocks [01:22]
mircea_popescu that's wat, 400 ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu or did it halve already [01:22]
Vexual 4000 [01:22]
nubbins` nice [01:22]
nubbins` there's your xmas shopping done [01:23]
mircea_popescu lol [01:23]
pankkake halvings seem very far [01:23]
Vexual ima buy me a arcehorse [01:23]
mircea_popescu archerhorse ? wow. [01:23]
nubbins` call him 'stable' [01:23]
nubbins` D; [01:23]
Vexual i like it [01:23]
nubbins` then release him [01:23]
mircea_popescu pankkake what's it at, 30k blocks ? [01:23]
Vexual 13k [01:24]
mircea_popescu well... if diff is 4k it cant be 13k can it ? [01:24]
pankkake 262144 [01:24]
mircea_popescu each retarget is 2k [01:24]
mircea_popescu 262k wtf ?! [01:25]
pankkake yay got 0.00000122 BTC shilling for bitbet [01:25]
mircea_popescu like a whole altcoin. [01:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00090614 = 17.3526 BTC [-] [01:25]
pankkake not even a doge :( [01:25]
mircea_popescu is a doge over 100 nao? [01:26]
ThickAsThieves i chose the stats by multiplying 512, and the doing 515 ^ 512 [01:26]
ThickAsThieves [18:22] there's your xmas shopping done <<< lol [01:26]
ThickAsThieves 512 is the altcoininati number for infinity [01:27]
ThickAsThieves if you overlap the 5 and the 2 then use the 1 as the connector [01:27]
ThickAsThieves do you SEE it? [01:27]
Vexual shit, 8 [01:27]
Vexual infinity upended [01:27]
mircea_popescu come to think about it, vexual should be altcoin mascot. [01:28]
mircea_popescu he's like naturally coelho-ish [01:28]
Vexual im busy printing privatekeys under bottlecaps for stripclubs [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] [01:29]
jurov vexual what are patrons to do with the caps, again? [01:31]
mircea_popescu gotta keep busy somehow [01:31]
pankkake "Can we PLEASE stop supporting cgminer as the mining solution" [01:31]
Vexual jurov you let the lass who takes the wire off the bottle keep it [01:33]
jurov yes? i thought it's supposed to be put onto striper's body somehow [01:34]
mircea_popescu [01:34]
mircea_popescu dude the effort these people put into it. [01:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00540228 = 5.4023 BTC [-] {17} [01:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043014 = 0.4301 BTC [-] {4} [01:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 249 @ 0.00042418 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3} [01:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:37]
ThickAsThieves very logos [01:37]
mircea_popescu [01:37]
mircea_popescu check out that crazy shit [01:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00091541 = 9.1038 BTC [+] [01:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [01:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:41]
mircea_popescu Just for the record: Approximate price for 1 ALT should be 0.00000549 BTC or 0.0002 LTC or 0.44 cents. [01:43]
mircea_popescu (Hashrate is 8900x lower than BTC but in addition to that the reward is also 20.48x higher than BTC.) [01:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800001 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3} [01:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.173 = 0.346 BTC [+] {2} [01:43]
mircea_popescu gotta love this logic. [01:43]
Vexual but when it is the only alt? [01:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:45]
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Vexual which it is [01:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [-] [01:46]
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Vexual so theres around 1.2 blocks to the block [01:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [01:48]
mircea_popescu "My estimate yields market cap 37.5 BTC." [01:48]
mircea_popescu herp. [01:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 350 @ 0.00042001 = 0.147 BTC [-] {3} [01:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1745 = 0.349 BTC [+] {2} [01:51]
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Namworld 37.5 BTC market cap? Amazing! [01:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 341 @ 0.00082731 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {2} [01:52]
ThickAsThieves Value-added! [01:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00082555 = 0.1222 BTC [-] [01:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00090884 = 8.4522 BTC [-] [01:53]
deadweasel when does it get listed on cryptsy? that's when the others start to die [01:53]
deadweasel all flow into 20.48x reward! [01:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+] [01:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00082555 = 0.2906 BTC [-] [01:55]
ThickAsThieves [01:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [+] [01:56]
pankkake wat [01:56]
Namworld Even Facebook is showing me ads for gold and silver coins. [01:56]
Vexual that cuban took krss lady [01:56]
mircea_popescu that's the worst looking crack whore i ever saw. [01:57]
kleeck Wasn't that a confirmed paid prostitute? [01:57]
Vexual 6 confirmations [01:57]
kleeck lol [01:57]
kleeck Of course. [01:57]
mircea_popescu don't even want to think about what her skin looked like [01:57]
kleeck She wasn't getting through the gate with less than 6. [01:57]
mircea_popescu poor woman. [01:58]
kleeck What a great way to legitimize Bitcoin! [01:58]
Namworld Have you ever had so much crack you turned golden from the sheer intake of value into your body? [01:58]
kleeck Yes. That was a good year... [01:58]
mircea_popescu no, but i've seen girls with spots so bad painting them with a wide brush was the only way. [01:58]
mircea_popescu o look who's back. when did you get out ? [01:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [02:00]
deadweasel that guy can't get farther from her. [02:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [02:01]
deadweasel who is that fool? [02:01]
Vexual goldfinger [02:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] [02:02]
kleeck :) [02:02]
kleeck Good evening to you as well, mircea_popescu. :D [02:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] [02:03]
kleeck Been away for a bit, wanted to focus on my new job for a while. Settled in now so I can bullshit with you guys. [02:04]
ThickAsThieves kleeck is smidge, or ? [02:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2} [02:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 955 @ 0.00091541 = 0.8742 BTC [+] [02:06]
kleeck LOL [02:07]
kleeck ThickAsThieves, round 2? [02:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [02:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [02:07]
kleeck I missed this channel. [02:07]
kleeck Kleeck is TAT, or ? [02:08]
kleeck What's the securities drama, guys? [02:08]
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kleeck Fill me in. [02:08]
ThickAsThieves [02:08]
ThickAsThieves [02:09]
ThickAsThieves [02:09]
kleeck Oh god. [02:09]
ThickAsThieves now you are all caught up! [02:09]
kleeck Don't link me that shiti. [02:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] [02:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [02:09]
kleeck I knew trilema was going to be linked. I just knew it. [02:09]
ThickAsThieves no you didnt [02:10]
kleeck I did! [02:10]
kleeck I even put up a bitbet on it [02:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [-] {2} [02:10]
ThickAsThieves Evil thought of the moment: Will we eventually see a trend of tricking people into losing their bitcoins? (Decreasing supply) [02:12]
ThickAsThieves not scamming, just half-scamming [02:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000121 = 1.12 BTC [-] [02:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC {2} [02:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC [02:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [02:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [02:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [02:16]
pankkake the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost [02:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569894 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {3} [02:17]
pankkake (the cost of tricking people) [02:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] [02:20]
ThickAsThieves passive aggressive scamming [02:21]
Vexual pankakke selling boobies [02:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1097 @ 0.00042 = 0.4607 BTC [-] {3} [02:24]
kleeck He's got to be selling something, right? [02:25]
kleeck Is he done plugging Bitbet every 5 minutes? [02:25]
Vexual bow bubudaba [02:25]
pankkake I am trying to buy boobies, would be more exact [02:25]
KRS1 o/ Vexual [02:25]
Vexual he [02:26]
kleeck Are you bitbetting how many boobies you'll buy/ [02:26]
kleeck because that's important. You don't really mean anything unless you bitbet it. [02:26]
pankkake [02:26]
mircea_popescu the amounts propably won't be enough for the cost << this is kind-of the birth of dragons. [02:26]
mircea_popescu people who dealt in thousands are going to be quite uninterested in helping idiots misplace their half bitcent [02:27]
pankkake as for number of boobies, wise words from [02:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC {2} [02:27]
pankkake but even if you have bitcents, people losing bitcents won't make you significantly richer [02:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00092896 = 29.3551 BTC [+] [02:28]
mircea_popescu in this sense people don't use ebay because people sending them 0.0000000000000000000000000001% of all usd won't make them significantly richer [02:29]
mircea_popescu you're thinking like a dragon. [02:29]
pankkake I believe the discussion was about making others lose, but not lose to you [02:30]
mircea_popescu " helping idiots misplace their half bitcent" [02:30]
Apocalyptic if you send coins to limbo, every holder profits [02:30]
pankkake yes, I am not arguing against that [02:30]
Apocalyptic so that's kinda "lose to you" in part at least situation [02:30]
mircea_popescu well otherwise, what exatly are the fixed costs to scamming ? [02:31]
mircea_popescu or weren't you really referring to what ThickAsThieves was saying ? [02:31]
pankkake I feel like no one is understanding each other [02:32]
Vexual bow bubudaba [02:32]
mircea_popescu lol irc, it happens. [02:33]
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pankkake MPOE-PR didn't take my bait :( [02:34]
KRS1 .bait [02:35]
KRS1 ;;seen ozbot [02:35]
gribble ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s [02:35]
Vexual bots mining atc [02:35]
KRS1 wtf mining? I need my baits [02:35]
Namworld Found a nice graph. I like it. [02:35]
mircea_popescu pankkake wha was that ? [02:36]
Namworld The heat and feet part makes it. [02:36]
pankkake boobs for altcoins [02:36]
pankkake the bitcoin part is almost irrelevant [02:37]
pankkake what hardware is that? [02:37]
mircea_popescu that cryptsy thing looks exactly as retarded as if burnside had come back from the dead. [02:37]
mircea_popescu is it his ? [02:38]
Vexual 38gh id say pankkake [02:38]
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mircea_popescu ahahah best jobs section yet. [02:43]
Apocalyptic heh [02:44]
kleeck yeah... hilarious..? [02:45]
mircea_popescu where you get to "hiring lawyers, with a degree or comparable experience and attention to detail" it becomes quite hilarious. [02:45]
mircea_popescu perhaps they also sew footballs. [02:45]
mircea_popescu << generally a good read for eager minds and benkay. [02:47]
pankkake fucking fuck, "Don't access Project Gutenberg from hosted servers." [02:48]
pankkake my IP is hated by half the internet [02:48]
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Vexual [02:50]
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Apocalyptic what happened to ozbot btw ? [02:54]
Vexual unfunded? [02:57]
Apocalyptic I miss his diff estimates [02:58]
Vexual 2 hours in 3 days must br fairly close [02:59]
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KRS1 [03:03]
KRS1 Birdman - Fire Flame [03:04]
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Vexual [03:11]
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Vexual .exchange 100 ATC BTC [03:14]
Vexual nope [03:14]
ThickAsThieves [03:16]
ThickAsThieves first time i see the baht in a url [03:16]
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ThickAsThieves i cant even read past the CSS [03:17]
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ThickAsThieves bitcoin in html [03:18]
nubbins` why the picture of gob bluth in that bigfoot link? [03:19]
nubbins` lel, i kid ;( [03:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.00166806 = 2.0017 BTC [+] [03:20]
mircea_popescu !t m x.eur [03:20]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 / 0.00166806 (1200 shares, 2.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00166114 / 0.00167482 / 0.00170089 (5000 shares, 8.37 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00179463 / 0.002 (20739 shares, 37.22 BTC) [03:20]
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mircea_popescu;u=84995 [03:28]
mircea_popescu dude! they gave up! [03:28]
mircea_popescu this loss for bitcoin retardedness shall never be bridged. [03:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 850 @ 0.00166806 = 1.4179 BTC [+] [03:34]
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Vexual hi benkay, how goes the trivia answers? [03:46]
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diametric ugh i hate when the channel lights up because my name was said but i was afk long enough for it to disappear on scrollback. [04:11]
Duffer1 [04:12]
diametric ahh yes [04:13]
Duffer1 ^.^ [04:13]
mircea_popescu [04:14]
mircea_popescu countdown to joffrey headexplosion in 3..2... [04:15]
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benkay hewing and hawing? [04:17]
benkay chopping and chortling? [04:17]
mircea_popescu skippin' an' scrappin' [04:18]
benkay would someone kindly a) write my name in channel and b) pm me? [04:18]
benkay s/name/handle [04:18]
Duffer1 benkay [04:19]
benkay excellent, thanks Duffer1 [04:19]
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benkay what's news, gents? [04:21]
jurov benkay pm [04:22]
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jurov benkay lots of lulz [04:24]
jurov half of which i missed cuz trying to code [04:24]
jurov benaky [04:24]
benkay o you should offload that [04:24]
jurov *benkay [04:24]
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jurov ;;tell benkay benkay [04:24]
benkay rewrite coinbr in clojure and i'll take it off your hands [04:25]
benkay ;;tell jurov jurov [04:25]
mircea_popescu lol [04:25]
mircea_popescu clojure is a thing now ?! [04:25]
benkay lisp devours all [04:25]
mircea_popescu (o(k)) [04:26]
jurov yes, we can do, there's convertor from python :DDD [04:26]
mircea_popescu ahahaha automated conversions to lisp are the tits. [04:26]
jurov (,)(,) [04:27]
benkay i'd love to see the 'turing equivalent conversion' of a python class tangle to lisp [04:27]
benkay har lisp is tits! [04:27]
jurov haha zactly.sqlalchemy is practically built out of class tangle, i just started to understand it [04:29]
jurov (un)fortunately, it seems equally impenetrable to pentesters [04:30]
benkay OOP as security [04:30]
jurov only now, after a year some figured out how to reach json decoder [04:30]
jurov which isn't actually used for anything [04:30]
benkay what did the attacks look like? [04:31]
jurov malformed utf, sql injections, various tries to subvert int(function) [04:31]
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benkay (much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Vexual, but my pattern-finding is getting better and faster) [04:32]
benkay Vexual: I also found the instrument mircea_popescu put together to go short pirateat40 [04:33]
benkay [04:33]
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mircea_popescu benkay wd [04:33]
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jurov oh and people try acunetix all the time.. if someone knows of acunetix exploit, talk to me [04:36]
mircea_popescu heh half my trilema errorlog is full of that [04:37]
mircea_popescu kidz be haxing into the credits yo [04:37]
benkay so MP how did PPTAPR/MAY work out for you? you underwrote what i understand to be insurance against BS&T and I imagine sold it for more than the .00128 face value? [04:39]
benkay dah do'h no it only paid out if bs&t didn't have a credit event [04:40]
mircea_popescu right [04:41]
mircea_popescu it actually worked great because ppl bought huge [04:41]
mircea_popescu then i dun recall what stupid sidestep they did and ppl panicked [04:41]
mircea_popescu sold into my lowball buys [04:41]
mircea_popescu was like a week the whole thing [04:41]
Duffer1 MPOE-PR: taking people down a few pegs, even if they only started with 2 [04:43]
mircea_popescu lol [04:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves pankkake seems atc has a quite solid bottom in nao. [04:44]
mircea_popescu and it didn't even cost me that much btc [04:44]
mircea_popescu lolz. [04:44]
herbijudlestoids afternoon fellows [04:45]
benkay altcoin is a thing now? [04:45]
herbijudlestoids what a saturday night! [04:45]
mircea_popescu benkay they drug me into it. [04:45]
benkay someone save some for me [04:45]
benkay i'm too busy doing historical research to mine the -asset altcoin [04:45]
benkay goddamnit i'm going to die broke with a donation address on my blog [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18512 @ 0.00093125 = 17.2393 BTC [+] [04:46]
mircea_popescu so help you. [04:47]
jurov cuz your toolchain is dusty and thus nobody can pay you [04:47]
benkay jurov my bitcoins are safe in your keeping. [04:47]
benkay HA [04:48]
benkay best wallet ever [04:48]
benkay GPG contracts with trusted individuals. [04:48]
pankkake someone sold altcoins? [04:48]
jurov don't provocate, or i'll sell the contract to mircea [04:49]
jurov like he offered yest [04:49]
benkay have at [04:49]
mircea_popescu wait, what did i offer ? [04:49]
benkay nothing would please me more than for mp to owe me btc [04:49]
benkay wait that's not true at all [04:49]
benkay definitely up there though [04:49]
mircea_popescu lol so lend me a btc. [04:50]
benkay ;;gettrust mircea_popescu [04:51]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 [04:51]
herbijudlestoids so, todays "i hope this even remotely is interesting" timeseries is the un-annualised rolling 20 tick volatility of 20 tick returns for ~1wk [04:51]
benkay ;;gettrust jurov [04:51]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012 [04:51]
benkay i can't deal with either of you right now :( [04:51]
herbijudlestoids obviously some timestamps would make this more useful [04:51]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [04:52]
jurov this was mircea's offer [04:52]
mircea_popescu also bear in mind it's a scam as per [04:52]
benkay how does that thread have 14 pages!? [04:53]
mircea_popescu because of all the arguments. [04:53]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i think it'll be much more interesting in 1-2 monmths, that thing [04:54]
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jurov ;;eauth jurov [04:56]
gribble Request successful for user jurov, hostmask jurov! Get your encrypted OTP from [04:56]
jurov gribble why won't you respond in pm? [04:56]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: yes, i guess what im trying to do right now is see what needs to happen in my data processing scripts etc to make this automated and easy for me [04:56]
herbijudlestoids right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, id like to just get an email of the graphics [04:56]
herbijudlestoids hopefully you guys dont mind me spamming various images until then :P [04:57]
jurov ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:072aced25f3df57050d15f4a1727256a97805396c485d39121f254cc [04:57]
gribble You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7 [04:57]
benkay mircea_popescu: you're welcome to assume jurov's debt to me. i don't think i even get a say. [04:57]
herbijudlestoids for example today i learned i need to rbind with timestamps in the timeseries [04:57]
jurov lol [04:58]
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jurov ;;rate benkay 1 good work on mpex missing manual [04:59]
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mircea_popescu benkay i was just dicking around lol [04:59]
benkay well like i said i don't think i even get a say [04:59]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids nope. alos, cron does wonders [04:59]
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jurov ;;rate Vexual 1 good music and fun overall [05:02]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [05:02]
jurov kick him [05:02]
mircea_popescu wtf [05:03]
Vexual ouchie [05:03]
jurov ;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his shit [05:03]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded. [05:03]
jurov ;;rate asciilifeform 1 really knows his stuff [05:04]
jurov ok ok i'm done [05:04]
mircea_popescu Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has not been recorded because shit. [05:05]
jurov :/ [05:05]
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KRS1 ethereum looks like a really strong project [05:07]
mircea_popescu why ? [05:08]
mircea_popescu i never really looked into it [05:08]
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jurov ;;rate davout 3 [05:10]
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jurov forgot anyone? [05:11]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: hmm not sure i understood what you mean? all i was saying is i need to work the timestamps into my script so that R correctly interprets them and makes it easy for me to have timestamped graphs [05:12]
jurov ;;rate scrat 2 [05:12]
herbijudlestoids the timestamps are actually being recorded by the irc bot [05:12]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user scrat has been recorded. [05:13]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids> right now its about 5 commands when i wake up, << [05:14]
mircea_popescu jurov so are you now running coinroll ? [05:15]
jurov yes almost [05:15]
jurov it was complicated process and still not finished [05:15]
herbijudlestoids this interview is supposedly about decentralisation of energy but seems to cover the idea that crowdfunding, p2p lending etc: "Even the assistant director general of the Bank of England, Andy Haldane has said this is showing signs of becoming such a trend, such a potential mega-trend, that it could disenfranchise the main banks, the high street banks in the way that I think some of these trends in renewable energy [05:17]
herbijudlestoids i guess this is the article he was referencing [05:20]
herbijudlestoids definitely considering the aggregate demand for junk bonds it does seem there is a lot of stupid people out there willing to fund anything [05:20]
mircea_popescu derp. [05:21]
mircea_popescu imo "crowdfunding" as in, kickfunder etc is a fad not unlike social media. [05:21]
mircea_popescu then again, i'm the god of bias. [05:21]
herbijudlestoids i personally dont disagree, but interesting to hear someone from BoE say that technology could kill banking [05:21]
herbijudlestoids i guess its probly more efficient for the economy for people to fund bad ideas directly than have to buy junk bonds in the bad ideas [05:22]
lewicki not if they all commit suicide first... [05:22]
mircea_popescu yeah, interesting to me too. in the following sense : a londoner goes to the country, and upon hearing a goose meow he expresses his astonishment : listen to the cock neigh! [05:22]
Duffer1 i wish people would stop throwing money at kickstarters [05:22]
Duffer1 until kickstarters start offering equity [05:22]
mircea_popescu anyway. bad ideas being funded is a serious problem for any society. [05:23]
herbijudlestoids they cant offer equity [05:23]
herbijudlestoids if they offer equity then they fall under the various financial regulations [05:23]
Vexual [05:23]
herbijudlestoids basically they need to list on MPOE :P [05:23]
Duffer1 hehe [05:23]
Duffer1 i'd love to see that [05:24]
herbijudlestoids somehow i doubt most kickstarters would be considered viable by mircea_popescu for listing though :P [05:24]
Duffer1 exactly [05:24]
herbijudlestoids i wish cunts would stop hyping bitcloud :( [05:25]
Vexual whats bitcloud? [05:26]
herbijudlestoids approx the same idea as urbit or tornet, rehyped and the tech media are cum guzzling it hard [05:26]
Vexual ah [05:26]
herbijudlestoids except the difference is both urbit and tornet actually have some code committed somewhere [05:27]
herbijudlestoids bitcloud has nothing. [05:27]
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mircea_popescu but bitcloud has bit and cloud [05:27]
mircea_popescu you understand nothing [05:27]
Vexual sounds good [05:27]
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mircea_popescu actually, did moldbug&co ever manage to stop urbit from crashing ? [05:27]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: my official job title is Director of Cloud Operations, so i like to think i know something :) [05:27]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids something you may know, but this is hindering you from seeing the true pure beauty of Bit and Cloud! [05:28]
benkay mircea_popescu: it's somewhat less leaky and crashy [05:28]
mircea_popescu if you had done nothing but reddit, retardopedia and lesssex for the past two decades... [05:28]
mircea_popescu benkay so how long has it been online currently ? [05:28]
benkay hah got me [05:29]
benkay and what do you mean by "online" and "long"? [05:29]
mircea_popescu ok, did it crash in the current month ? [05:29]
mircea_popescu lmao [05:29]
herbijudlestoids has anyone come up with any useful use cases for urbit? all i could think of was a mutt clone lol [05:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [-] [05:29]
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benkay since last universe reset or whatever they call it? [05:29]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids [05:30]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:30]
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Vexual i think bitcloud should be a proof of work image board with extra stenography [05:31]
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* herbijudlestoids adds more trilema links to his list of reads [05:32]
* jurov stenographies furiously [05:32]
Vexual or a small amount of visible water vapour in the sky [05:32]
Duffer1 ya there's a reason why mpoe-pr recommends taking a year off to read first :P [05:32]
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jurov Vexual: steganography [05:33]
Vexual ty jurov [05:33]
herbijudlestoids god fucken damnit...just saw [05:34]
herbijudlestoids even [05:34]
herbijudlestoids stupid postmodern internet [05:34]
mircea_popescu what;'s wrong with it ? [05:34]
Vexual too tumbler [05:34]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: nothing, its just kind of what i would like to do :P [05:35]
mircea_popescu << see here herbijudlestoids, avoid such surprises. [05:35]
mircea_popescu it's actually mike's blog. [05:35]
jurov have you seen ? it's timeless :DDDD [05:35]
mircea_popescu hehehe [05:35]
mircea_popescu i linked him earlier iirc [05:35]
mircea_popescu one of the things i enjoy most about bitcoin is all the shit people don't know. ot [05:36]
mircea_popescu it's like... :D [05:36]
Vexual thats me [05:36]
Vexual im waiting for benkays cheat sheet [05:36]
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herbijudlestoids yo, so based on the bitcointalk forum, which is i assume populated by heavily qualified financial analysts, wasnt the price of MPOE supposed to be "negative" this morning? [05:37]
herbijudlestoids i was looking forward to scooping up the entire company [05:37]
herbijudlestoids and having mircea_popescu pay me for the privilege [05:37]
Vexual snooze you lose [05:37]
mircea_popescu ^ [05:37]
herbijudlestoids did you already buy it Vexual ? [05:37]
herbijudlestoids can i buy it off you for -3BTC? [05:37]
Vexual mpoe? [05:38]
mircea_popescu Vexual at the rate benkay is posting on that cascade of his, the cheatsheet will need a flatbed truck. [05:38]
Vexual ah the trivia list [05:38]
Vexual no i didnt buy it [05:38]
mircea_popescu also, benkay baby, more naked girl / dressed pitbull pics. you've lernered nothing off trilema ? [05:38]
Vexual i was hoping it would be free then returned in kind [05:38]
Vexual but i should pay for it more than mp should [05:39]
Vexual hes already got it in his head [05:39]
mircea_popescu all i have is like these altcoins [05:39]
jurov benkay is actually paid in debts [05:39]
jurov Vexual so you should make one first [05:40]
Vexual hes gonna pop out overed in gold [05:40]
Vexual one what? [05:40]
herbijudlestoids [05:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] [05:41]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids did you see all the failed darknet drug marketplaces btw ? [05:41]
mircea_popescu speaking of php. the stuff had me in a state of ptss for a few hours [05:41]
Vexual wait if bitwasp gets finished, that'll be like altcoin pools of drug markets [05:41]
mircea_popescu < [05:41]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i did, after reading about how silk road went down they wer eall so fucking stupid [05:42]
herbijudlestoids but there is a new one i read about, running on i2p [05:42]
herbijudlestoids sounds much more secure [05:42]
Apocalyptic security-wise it's a disaster [05:42]
herbijudlestoids this one [05:42]
mircea_popescu lay it on us Apocalyptic [05:42]
herbijudlestoids "The Marketplace" [05:42]
herbijudlestoids if they manage to take that one down i will be impressed [05:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15081 @ 0.00093244 = 14.0621 BTC [+] [05:44]
Apocalyptic it appears that almost every new marketplace is prone to basic SQL injections [05:44]
herbijudlestoids lol [05:44]
Apocalyptic more drama on that on #bitcoin-hidden everyday [05:44]
mircea_popescu anything specific about this i2p thing ? [05:45]
herbijudlestoids asking me? [05:46]
mircea_popescu no, Apocalyptic [05:46]
Apocalyptic not that I recall of, let me grep the logs [05:47]
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herbijudlestoids at least judging from that article, it sounds like th eguys who set it up have tried their hardest to learn from the failures of the other morons [05:47]
herbijudlestoids i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor [05:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] [05:48]
mircea_popescu why not ? [05:48]
Vexual the real dpr is in tokyo stinking of ylang ylang [05:48]
TomServo I really hope so. [05:48]
TomServo Like herbijudlestoids said.. it's sad otherwise. [05:49]
mircea_popescu i thought he was with elvis [05:49]
Vexual poor zombie tho [05:49]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i just kind of assumed that anyone who wanted to setup a website like that might be the kind of person who knows even the first thing about security [05:49]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you know, this entire generation of twentyspomething fuckups strictly exists because we keep presuming. [05:49]
mircea_popescu exactly these types of presumtpions. they're like some mutant cockroaches which have somehow adapted to live in the cracks of this presumption. [05:50]
herbijudlestoids yep, well you can bet the big vendors on those sites are now doing their "security due diligence" before they list products on a given market [05:50]
Apocalyptic i still really cant believe the security behind silk road was so fucken poor // then you won't believe this [05:50]
Apocalyptic [05:50]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you can bet no such thing. [05:50]
mircea_popescu you know, no ammount of salmon being eaten by bears makes the salmon wear fucking german ww1 helmets. [05:51]
mircea_popescu they just take their chances. they survive by schooling. [05:51]
Vexual cool ones do [05:51]
mircea_popescu that's your us druggies. [05:51]
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jurov it's not just twentysomethings. the password for national office that gives security clearances [05:52]
herbijudlestoids lullllllwut Apocalyptic [05:52]
jurov was "mbusr123" [05:52]
jurov guess what was the office named [05:52]
Vexual maoney bursary [05:52]
Vexual ? [05:52]
jurov NBU SR [05:53]
jurov and the pass was nbusr123 [05:53]
Vexual ah [05:53]
mircea_popescu derp. [05:53]
herbijudlestoids HAHA [05:53]
Vexual little bit mafia there with the trascription [05:53]
herbijudlestoids im still reading [05:53]
Apocalyptic herbijudlestoids, that's the state of the average marketplace out there [05:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] [05:54]
Apocalyptic just unreal [05:54]
herbijudlestoids baaaa [05:54]
herbijudlestoids i guess the barrier to entry is just too low [05:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [05:55]
Vexual if i wanted to use doog drugs id move to addis abar and have excellent herbal amphetamines [05:55]
Vexual *good [05:56]
Vexual coffee and khat [05:56]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you know that's the exact link i gave you earlier in the logs :D [05:56]
mircea_popescu but yes. freedom = no barrier to entry = chaos. nttawwt. [05:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [+] {2} [05:57]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: which link? i happen to be retarded and often forget things that i dont immediately note down [05:58]
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* herbijudlestoids makes a note to note it down [05:58]
herbijudlestoids iv got "So this urbit thing" and "People have made blogs" saved in my list, as well as "The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with" because i wanna see the photo of MPOE-PR :P [05:59]
mircea_popescu < [06:01]
herbijudlestoids ah right right [06:01]
herbijudlestoids i see [06:01]
herbijudlestoids my main concern is if you setup a legit, correctly secured darknet site, its just going to make you an even bigger target for the NSA really [06:02]
herbijudlestoids youll be going up against a very scary adversary who will hand your details over to the FBI or local equivalent as soon as they de-anon your server [06:03]
herbijudlestoids not sure the risk/reward is skewed in your favor [06:03]
Vexual or visa versa [06:03]
mircea_popescu why would you be in the us ? [06:03]
Apocalyptic ^ [06:03]
herbijudlestoids why would your location matter to the NSA? [06:04]
Vexual [06:04]
herbijudlestoids in fact being in the US is pretty much the only legal defense against NSA spying lol [06:04]
mircea_popescu herp. [06:04]
Vexual :) [06:04]
mircea_popescu 1. nsa is nowhere near as competent as they'd like you believe [06:04]
mircea_popescu 2. most jurisdictions couldn't give less of a shit about the us and its problems. [06:05]
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mircea_popescu the idea is to implement technically sound solutions. this means god himself can not de-anon your server. [06:05]
mircea_popescu if you can't do that, you've got little business doing it in the first place. [06:05]
mircea_popescu it'd be like bitcoin relying not on chain but on people being nice to each other. [06:06]
Apocalyptic i really don't see HK or Russia extradite a drug marketplace owner [06:06]
Vexual make it cant break it only existed very recently [06:06]
herbijudlestoids the way i see it workin gis something like this: FBI discovers new online drug marketplace, probably tipped off from dutch intelligence or similar agency who actually has the knowhow. they poke it, cant de-anon it, and so they call up the NSA to take a poke. initial pokes are unsuccessful so they go all out against it. [06:08]
herbijudlestoids somehow i feel like the NSA is probably quite competent enough considering the resources at their disposal ;) [06:08]
mircea_popescu except they have a list of things to do [06:08]
mircea_popescu and a list of people that can do it. [06:08]
Vexual yeah snowden tok it with him [06:08]
mircea_popescu and the worst morale in the history of secret servicing. [06:09]
mircea_popescu now... the 2nd list is always shorter. [06:09]
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mircea_popescu and so... no. they don't have the resources to anytihng. [06:09]
mircea_popescu besides, the nsa is dead. the us is scrambling to create a new, actually secret replacement, while pretending nsa is still a thing. [06:09]
mircea_popescu that puts further pressure on the manpower available. [06:09]
herbijudlestoids s/NSA/5eyes spy conglomerate [06:09]
herbijudlestoids when i say NSA i dont mean NSA so much as any sigint that has permissions for global ops [06:10]
mircea_popescu you work in hosting, right ? how many competent sysadmins are there, that you can actually motivate to do the job ? [06:10]
mircea_popescu and how many jobs need doing ? [06:10]
Vexual none [06:10]
herbijudlestoids true that unemployment for good ops is very low to nonexistent in our particular sector atm [06:11]
herbijudlestoids mostly i write the puppet modules and we hire meatsacks to watch errors [06:11]
mircea_popescu so then what do you think, the problem eases as you go up ? [06:12]
mircea_popescu it doesn't ease. it aggravates. [06:12]
mircea_popescu what particular sector ? it's the same all through. how many db experts are there ? [06:13]
mircea_popescu what atm ? it's been the case since 1960. [06:13]
mircea_popescu smart people are few and far between. things they can do are the grass o nthe fields. monstrous socialist regimes have this problem compounded by the fact that they're only popular with idiots. [06:14]
mircea_popescu the us may hire as many Fargo policewomen as it can pay. [06:14]
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mircea_popescu i'd be surprised if it can currently hire any ONE of the top five crackers in any field. [06:14]
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mircea_popescu even if it had infinite money, which it clearly does not. [06:14]
Vexual they already been to hawaii and smoked the pakalolo for more than 100kpa [06:15]
KRS1 [06:15]
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Vexual it was written 1000s or years ago [06:17]
mircea_popescu [06:18]
Vexual o/ [06:18]
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herbijudlestoids haha i saw that [06:19]
mircea_popescu "Someone should start a bank (or maybe someone has) that charges (rather than pays) interest and does not make loans. " [06:20]
mircea_popescu this is what, amsterdamsche wisselbank [06:20]
mircea_popescu fucktards with their "let's make the world fair" as if it weren't managed to bomb us all the fucking way to the stone age. [06:21]
mircea_popescu the once glorious wester civilisation has to restart at fucking 1600 ?! [06:21]
mircea_popescu flay a libertard alive today. he's earned it. then salt the wounds and make his mother watch. [06:21]
Vexual pay a nigerian [06:22]
herbijudlestoids in early 2009 when FASB changed the rules from mark to market, to mark to unicorn, it was obvious what was going on if it wasnt already. the banks are by "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles", completely insolvent. [06:23]
herbijudlestoids so i dunno why this guy is bothering to talk about leverage and FDIC insurance lol [06:23]
herbijudlestoids due diligence shows the banks as failed capitalist enterprises [06:23]
herbijudlestoids dun need to go further than that. [06:23]
Duffer1 fdic insurance is probably about the only thing the average american derp understands about banking [06:24]
Duffer1 he's jsut using it as an example to highlight a point, smart guy knows his audience [06:24]
mircea_popescu im with d. [06:24]
mircea_popescu this is just damage control anyway. most of the deposits belong to companies, which a) are legally required to keep their funds in a bank and b) are not insured anyway. [06:25]
mircea_popescu you think the cypriots had it bad... watch till it happens in the us. [06:26]
herbijudlestoids ye [06:26]
Vexual so mpoe [06:26]
decimation it's all the idiocy of maturity transformation [06:26]
mircea_popescu [06:26]
mircea_popescu that's how it looks [06:26]
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herbijudlestoids i hear that NEO and BEE setup btc financial services in cyprus and opened recently [06:27]
mircea_popescu since we're on it [06:27]
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Vexual [06:28]
Duffer1 neo&bee is open? [06:28]
herbijudlestoids dunno, thats just what i heard today [06:28]
Vexual legals still taking money they cant afford to pay unemploed builders at any price [06:28]
Vexual id be getting free rent [06:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00093239 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {2} [06:29]
Vexual lpanned to open march i think? [06:30]
Vexual i expect tellers with broken computers and a stopwork from govt [06:31]
Vexual shoulda been in berlin [06:31]
herbijudlestoids so are you buying shares then Vexual? [06:31]
Vexual no [06:32]
Vexual then berlin, then that awful volcano [06:32]
Vexual *frankfurt [06:32]
herbijudlestoids whats the opinion on havelock investments? [06:34]
Vexual seems to work [06:34]
Vexual verily don't listen to me tho [06:35]
mircea_popescu [06:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00093389 = 17.0902 BTC [+] [06:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i hereby demand to be gassed by the new, spiffy, Meta-NSA, rather than the tired old one. [06:48]
mircea_popescu glwt. [06:48]
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decimation where are its headquarters? [06:49]
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Vexual prolly not cuba so you can't have fun if you get busted out by someone mp sent [06:49]
mircea_popescu [06:49]
asciilifeform decimation: on a subterrine. [06:49]
decimation I particularly like that this sketch shows them digging, thus mocking the idiots who tried to setup an idiot commune during the English civil war [06:50]
mircea_popescu subterrine de gascogne [06:50]
herbijudlestoids i love dennis [06:51]
mircea_popescu shit i got the wrong sketch [06:51]
mircea_popescu << i meant this one [06:51]
decimation I donno, how are they going to attact elite coders to work in a hole? [06:51]
mircea_popescu decimation that's where the gascogne comes into play. [06:52]
decimation [06:52]
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decimation sounds dubiously competent for the usg [06:53]
asciilifeform [06:53]
Vexual [06:53]
Vexual thats a shit sub [06:53]
decimation lol maybe they can dig a tunnel to the uk while they work [06:53]
Vexual yeah but you wont do x knots [06:54]
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herbijudlestoids if i went around, saying i was emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me... [06:54]
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Duffer1 moistened bint is my new favorite pejorative [06:55]
Vexual fast or quiet, those are the options [06:55]
mircea_popescu put a dint in the bint like you don't care... [06:56]
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Vexual or, you can forgo the urnanium powered steam, and be noisy and slow [06:58]
Vexual which is in fact the only option [06:58]
Vexual also your parrot is dead [06:58]
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Vexual its not unreasonably slow sir [07:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43851 @ 0.00093235 = 40.8845 BTC [-] [07:02]
Vexual in two teths of the time it takes an a 380 to fly round the world you could be to cuba and back [07:03]
Vexual provided you set out from the modern spanish main [07:03]
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Vexual or just roll around in the pacific and its all cool [07:06]
Vexual ive seen the rooster tail off one of those nuke subs and ill tell you they are well fast even on the surface [07:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26966 @ 0.00093421 = 25.1919 BTC [+] {3} [07:08]
herbijudlestoids so [07:08]
herbijudlestoids has anyone heard of reggie middletons ultra coin, not to be confused with ultracoin the altcoin? [07:09]
herbijudlestoids [07:09]
herbijudlestoids something like zerocoin i guess [07:09]
Duffer1 i haven't been able to read the altcoin forums since coingen came out [07:09]
herbijudlestoids looks like: (apparently) [07:09]
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KRS1 herbijudlestoids: I'd like to know more about that screenshot [07:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 992 @ 0.000405 = 0.4018 BTC [-] {4} [07:16]
herbijudlestoids KRS1: from what i understand its using zero trust contracts in a closed bitcoin system to do financial obligations (basically) [07:16]
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Vexual [07:17]
herbijudlestoids im watchin the youtube video about it now, seems like he has hired some indian guy to do the coding and the explanation video is just a skype screencast of him showing reggie what he has paid for [07:18]
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Vexual codemonekys [07:18]
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herbijudlestoids confusing because there is an alt called ultracoin that has nothing to do with it [07:20]
Vexual thats why theres altcoin [07:20]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids have heard, yea. sort-of ripple/ot/etc [07:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29570 @ 0.00093431 = 27.6275 BTC [+] [07:27]
herbijudlestoids seems a bit vapey right now? i tried to reg for the forum but doesnt work etc [07:29]
herbijudlestoids opinion? [07:29]
Vexual [07:29]
herbijudlestoids seems approx equv to the idea of p2pex, implemented with zero trust [07:29]
mircea_popescu it doesn't seem like anything, tbh. [07:31]
mircea_popescu lot of hype, no actual subtance that i so far noticed. [07:31]
Vexual lasbians [07:31]
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mircea_popescu "Here's the latest Max Keiser in which he and Stacey Herbert to a good job of explaining what I have in mind. " this sort of thing will instakill any project, for instance. [07:32]
herbijudlestoids truth [07:32]
mircea_popescu in general, a large number of fluffers are trying to scam various particular venues. there's all the dorks pretending like they have projects for the benefit of the clueless va market. [07:32]
mircea_popescu there's all the various scammers trying to peel the eager youth public [07:33]
mircea_popescu on it goes. [07:33]
Vexual are you gonna do mpex forever mp? [07:33]
mircea_popescu probably not. [07:34]
Vexual who could manage it [07:34]
mircea_popescu [07:34]
Vexual could someone? [07:34]
mircea_popescu why not ? [07:35]
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mircea_popescu [07:35]
mircea_popescu maybe this year i cut a deal with a large bank. or maybe i buy one. or maybe next year. or who knows [07:35]
herbijudlestoids sweet accounting gimix from italy today [07:35]
mircea_popescu i'm not even 40 yet. there's plenty of time. [07:35]
mircea_popescu haha yea i saw that. ppl were like... headshake and backing up [07:36]
herbijudlestoids you should buy the worlds oldest bank! monte dei paschi di siena [07:36]
herbijudlestoids [07:37]
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mircea_popescu not particularly strong. [07:38]
decimation what's the point of owning a fiat bank? [07:38]
Vexual old monmey and contacts [07:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34461 @ 0.00093228 = 32.1273 BTC [-] {2} [07:38]
mircea_popescu that you can tell the government of X irrelevant country to either adapt its enforcement to what you do or else prepare for eating treebark [07:39]
mircea_popescu like hsbc sent the usg packing [07:39]
herbijudlestoids i dun think you can afford a strong bank, thats why i suggested one of the weaklings :P [07:39]
decimation all the banks are poor in bitcoin [07:39]
mircea_popescu i don't need a weakling. [07:40]
mircea_popescu and on the strength of having grown from 10mn to 1bn in ayear, i can literally afford anything. [07:40]
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mircea_popescu in the current situation, the only reason i conceivably could not lbo a bank with 100trn in "assets" [07:40]
mircea_popescu is that the people supposed to finance lbos are either poor or stupid. [07:40]
decimation seems like bank ownership would come with all kinds of soveirgn meddling [07:42]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell thickasthieves << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC. [07:42]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:42]
Vexual you might have a son in the next few years mp [07:42]
mircea_popescu decimation obviously it'd be a complex matter. [07:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, the actual reason would be, of course, that the last thing any one government wants is me at the helm of a huge fiat bank. [07:43]
decimation I agree at some point it will happen. In fact, at some point banks will be begging for the bitcoin rich to tell them what to do [07:43]
mircea_popescu they'd rather not eat all that much treebark if at all possible. [07:43]
Vexual well if mpex is anything to go by, youd own a priavte bank [07:43]
Vexual and still be the goto guy for bitcoin shit [07:44]
mircea_popescu Vexual 500 dollars a year to bank there and no further fees. [07:44]
mircea_popescu tell me you wouldn't use it. [07:44]
Vexual i cant tell you that [07:44]
mircea_popescu unlike the children spending their lunchbreak on bitcointalk, irl people actually have to like... you know, pay the rent and shit [07:44]
Vexual i imagine youd still use mpex too [07:44]
mircea_popescu yes. you'd need gpg for internet banking. [07:45]
decimation I would pay if I could get 100% backed deposits in whatever currency I'm banking [07:45]
mircea_popescu decimation well is it a bank or is it money storage ? [07:45]
decimation money storage for me [07:45]
mircea_popescu you could have that, i dun see why not. [07:45]
decimation with a convienent loan-matchmaking system [07:46]
mircea_popescu course at least for psychological reasons it's prolly better to have the storage and the banking business separated. [07:46]
herbijudlestoids how about the bank that lets you choose what rate you are willing to loan your money out at [07:47]
decimation the hilarious thing is that the fiat gov't would think they have leverage over you [07:47]
mircea_popescu decimation folks love to think this, story of my life. [07:47]
herbijudlestoids if you choose, say, 0% it cant loan the money out, at 0.5% only low risk investments, etc [07:47]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids maybe. the problem here is this : the more choice you give people, the more fuckwited they are and the more scams you enable. [07:47]
mircea_popescu so in practice you want to either give all choice or no choice. [07:48]
decimation you can have a fractional subsidary for the idiots to bank with [07:49]
mircea_popescu sorta like you can either be male or female. have to pick one. [07:49]
mircea_popescu there's no gender-ambiguous connector. [07:49]
decimation "why don't my checking account pay interest?" etc [07:49]
herbijudlestoids realistically, there should be no bitcoin bank, doesnt seem necessary as long as there is a highly liquid market for bitcoin duration notes and bonds, like 10,30,90 day 2,5,7,y bonds [07:49]
mircea_popescu the note market is much more difficult than meets the eye. [07:49]
Vexual why isnt my coal mine making money? it is now [07:49]
Vexual coz powerplant and shit [07:50]
mircea_popescu look at that, paschi di siena is on hte pinksheets now. [07:51]
mircea_popescu maddof helped them so. [07:51]
decimation the bank would provide research and screening of businesses wanting loans, as well as negotiating terms for classes of investors [07:51]
decimation ie a real finiancial middleman in the proper sense [07:51]
Vexual [07:52]
mircea_popescu decimation you'll never be able to hire. [07:52]
mircea_popescu how do you think i'll be able to coerce herbi here to do all that legwork for your blind "classes" [07:52]
mircea_popescu when he could just as well set up shop for himself. [07:52]
Vexual yeah herbi got it, hes a surity [07:53]
decimation there will be people who just wanna have some passive income, and will be willing to pay the bank fees to make sure the deal is reasonable [07:53]
mircea_popescu you still won't be able to hire. [07:54]
herbijudlestoids decimation: why cant any business wanting loans list a bond and their financial deets and allow me to quantify them and bid in the free market on their rate? [07:54]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids why do you need a bank to interface your etrade account ? [07:54]
* Vexual hands mp a vb [07:54]
herbijudlestoids pls adjust your analogies for australia retards [07:55]
decimation MP, as in you won't be able to find anyone who is qualified to make these kinds of subjective creditworthiness judgements? [07:55]
mircea_popescu decimation not for any price youll afford to pay. [07:55]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i just mean that if you want to dd on your own you can't possibly need a bank for any purpose. [07:55]
Vexual etrade is a stock broker here u know mp? [07:56]
decimation Well, you certainly wouldn't find anyone qualified working for banks today. He/she would have to be grown from scratch somehow. [07:56]
mircea_popescu decimation so then you try to "make it work" which means you push both ends and then a decade down the road your shitty officers bring about a crisis of unheard magnitude [07:56]
* KRS1 grabs another beer. [07:56]
mircea_popescu what, you think financial top management particularly WANTED a crisis ? [07:57]
mircea_popescu Vexual yes. [07:57]
Vexual thought so [07:57]
KRS1 herbijudlestoids>: he's finding the contracts in the blockchain? [07:57]
KRS1 looks like theres also a rating to them [07:57]
mircea_popescu that's my point. if he wants a self-service thing he doesn't need the bank to anything. [07:57]
decimation I'm not sure the crisis would be of the same magnitude as what fiat banks have gotten into [07:58]
herbijudlestoids well what would i need the bank for, if i can for example loan 10 day money in a liquid market to some business directly, and then when i need some money sell the appropriate amout of 10 day loans back into the mkt? [07:58]
KRS1 [07:58]
decimation but you certainly could lose alot of money on idiocy [07:58]
decimation what if you wanted to divide a loan amoung a few others to reduce the risk? [08:00]
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mircea_popescu decimation you want sane business models at all times. this one you're contemplating proposes to make 10 dollar steaks out of nine meat. that leftover dollar isn't enough to hire anything but mcdonalds staff. which won't make what you want. [08:00]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yes. if you want to do all the work, you don't need someone to do the work for a group of "you". [08:00]
mircea_popescu if you want to cut wood and feed stoves, "town heating services" aren't useful to you. [08:01]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: marginal savers can do the legwork and rest of the market can take the interest rate as the signal [08:01]
mircea_popescu this is the path to disaster. [08:01]
mircea_popescu it's basically the equivalent of driving a car by touch. [08:02]
herbijudlestoids decimation: im assuming the loan granularity is extremely fine so you can loan your bitcoins equally amongst them or however you like... [08:02]
mircea_popescu fun fact : loan granularity only becomes fine in systems which well handle coarse. [08:02]
mircea_popescu if you need fineness as an input your system is thereby aborted. [08:02]
decimation That sounds like alot of work for investors and businesses alike [08:03]
decimation But I guess the work has to exist somewhere [08:03]
mircea_popescu this is kind of the general point here : you ignore workload at your peril. sooner or later it will punish you. [08:03]
mircea_popescu the later the worse. [08:03]
herbijudlestoids the businesses have to do nothing except list the bond and their verifiably true financials [08:03]
mircea_popescu sadly there is no such thing as a "verifiable true financial" [08:04]
decimation I guess I'm pushing it into the black boxed labeld "competent bank", and you are saying such a bank would have to charge enormous fees to employ the right people [08:04]
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herbijudlestoids ye [08:04]
herbijudlestoids thereby compressing any profit margin [08:04]
mircea_popescu decimation something like that. you're basically saying "it should be done", like a govt. [08:04]
mircea_popescu well... that's fine but it doesn't actually work. [08:04]
mircea_popescu you know how they pass laws going "nothing in the foregoing should be construed as doing X" ? [08:05]
mircea_popescu that's wishful thinking in a bowstring. what the fuck. [08:05]
decimation That's in nearly all us laws now [08:05]
mircea_popescu indeed. [08:05]
mircea_popescu "nothing i do now should be construed as rape" *pow* *smack* *riiiip* [08:06]
Duffer1 !bash 1 [08:06]
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decimation Well, at least my "competent bank" would be better than current gov't and banks because the liabilities would be explicit and clear [08:07]
Duffer1 ^.^ [08:07]
mircea_popescu they won't stauy explicit and clear [08:07]
mircea_popescu everyone involved has a definite interest to muddy them [08:07]
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mircea_popescu because your model fundamentally doesn't work, and so they're all stuck [08:07]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 omg context [08:07]
Duffer1 ya i just realized >.< [08:08]
Duffer1 i should have added a few more lines [08:08]
mircea_popescu be ashamed. you've even broken the rules nao. [08:08]
Duffer1 sorry hehe [08:08]
Vexual [08:09]
decimation Do you have an alternative in mind? The only thing that occurs to me is rugged investors and businesses creating gpg contracts on their own terms. [08:10]
mircea_popescu i don't have a fully polished, drop-in alternative in any sense. [08:10]
mircea_popescu what's worse, i doubt there can actually be an alternative to toughening the agents the fuck up. [08:11]
mircea_popescu i've been measuring it across the board, you've perhaps seen the tail ends of ti [08:11]
mircea_popescu;all etc [08:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25885 @ 0.00093203 = 24.1256 BTC [-] {2} [08:12]
KRS1 Vexual: groovyy [08:12]
KRS1 Straya cunt [08:12]
Vexual sup florida [08:13]
Vexual [08:13]
decimation it's the quis custodiet ipsos custodes problem [08:14]
mircea_popescu in general, the problem is vast. the day your average us citizen has decided that politics is a problem that other people should solve for him, so he can focus on w/e his job is [08:15]
mircea_popescu that day politics got fucked irretrievably. [08:15]
mircea_popescu yet people don't generally want to nor generally can be renaissance complete personalities. [08:15]
decimation which is the current situation more or less [08:15]
mircea_popescu well, the same is true of everything. [08:15]
mircea_popescu the day you quit cleanning your house it will cease to be clean. [08:16]
mircea_popescu the day you decide your financial security is "to be" ensured by nebulous third parties... [08:16]
mircea_popescu guesswhat. [08:16]
mircea_popescu they may be experts, but they aren't you. [08:16]
decimation even if they start out competent and strong, the inevitible incentives to cheat... [08:16]
mircea_popescu if you never talk to your girlfriend [08:16]
mircea_popescu ever [08:16]
mircea_popescu she will eventually quit you. [08:16]
herbijudlestoids unless youre mute [08:17]
mircea_popescu see ? this seems to be a rather universal rule. [08:17]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids s/talk/communicate/ [08:17]
herbijudlestoids :P [08:17]
herbijudlestoids lessons in personal responsibility from mircea_popescu [08:17]
mircea_popescu well more like... you know... what alternative shall i have, woe unto me. i dun see one, other than lieing it you [08:18]
mircea_popescu (dun worry baby it'll all be alright) [08:18]
decimation "intellectuals" call it the "noble lie" [08:18]
Vexual [08:18]
mircea_popescu yes, but apparently you won't have classes, and be happy inferiors of some selected caste of masters. [08:18]
mircea_popescu this makes such lie impopssible. [08:18]
Duffer1 herbijudlestoids it's a lot better than lessons from Labcoin :P [08:18]
mircea_popescu the original observation, however, to wit that politics has very quickly diminishing marginal returns, and in general you don't need more than 100 men involved in it in any case, is sound. [08:19]
mircea_popescu (fun fact : 50% of all wealth today is owned by 97 people, i hear) [08:19]
herbijudlestoids noway [08:19]
herbijudlestoids sauce? [08:19]
mircea_popescu research it, im curious if it can be confirmed [08:20]
herbijudlestoids i think its a lot lower, more like 8% :P [08:20]
mircea_popescu 1% own 40%, according to the un. [08:21]
mircea_popescu i guess it depends on how conspiracy-minded the approach is. [08:21]
Vexual yeah thats the humanitarian brach of the nsa [08:21]
Vexual not really [08:22]
herbijudlestoids yes i would agree 1% own what is 1%? seventy million people! [08:22]
herbijudlestoids another number i found for 2013 is that 29 million own 39% of global assets [08:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00093454 = 12.8499 BTC [+] {2} [08:22]
mircea_popescu yeah, of which 69`999`923 people do banking with a select few :) [08:22]
herbijudlestoids lol [08:22]
mircea_popescu so in the end... [08:22]
herbijudlestoids nowaybro, if global assets includes say, a cashflow positive farm or car factory or whatever then that piece of ass(et) doesnt matter who you bank with [08:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02969 = 0.1188 BTC [-] [08:23]
mircea_popescu methinks i was forcing a point. [08:23]
herbijudlestoids i have heard a number that the richest 100% own a lot, but the number i heard was like 8% [08:24]
herbijudlestoids err s/100%/100 people/ [08:24]
Vexual it mght affect where you are able to sell your product effectively herbi [08:24]
decimation well, it certainly is the case that money will stay in the hands of those who have the ability to hold it [08:24]
decimation and that those people are rare [08:24]
mircea_popescu ownership is a muddled thing anyway. so you own your house. you can't set it on fire. you can't dig a hole in the livingroom. etc. [08:24]
decimation everyone else needs an arrangement with the local duke or landgrave [08:25]
mircea_popescu decimation you know what a house mother is ? [08:25]
decimation Like someone who stays home to raise the children? [08:26]
mircea_popescu no. [08:26]
mircea_popescu heterosexual couples ended up doing cellular families, somehow, for some reason. [08:26]
mircea_popescu at least in the english world. [08:26]
mircea_popescu gay people however, tend[ed] to live in groups [08:26]
mircea_popescu also other opressed groups (entertainers, especially sex workers, for instace ; drug users definitely) [08:27]
Vexual hookers [08:27]
mircea_popescu much like average people going out to drink have a designated driver, these cvasi-familial arrangements have a house mother [08:27]
mircea_popescu who is the sort of... well.. landgrave, technically. [08:27]
mircea_popescu resolves "whose hairbrush it really is" disputes [08:27]
Vexual i tak eit you dont mp [08:28]
herbijudlestoids its my fucken hairbrush [08:28]
mircea_popescu in most large towns cops reflexively seek him out in any conflict [08:28]
Vexual lol [08:28]
mircea_popescu this meanwhile has expanded to college aged kids, who are in fact an opressed group by now. [08:28]
decimation yeah in frat houses in us universities there is often such a person [08:28]
mircea_popescu not deliberately, just, they're too fucking dumb and uninformed to survive in the world as it is. [08:28]
mircea_popescu and so slowly the model spreads [08:28]
mircea_popescu there's your landgrave. [08:28]
Vexual [08:29]
mircea_popescu so in the end, the future looks like, two to six slaves living i nthe care of one master, who gets in the wot and tries to make sense of whether mp or x or y is more sensible to keep his house's money. [08:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8824 @ 0.00093507 = 8.2511 BTC [+] [08:30]
mircea_popescu sorta mini-tribal. [08:30]
Vexual youtube thinks im a french tween [08:30]
decimation yeah that sounds about right [08:30]
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mircea_popescu in the end, this all yields a richer conenctivity in society, [08:31]
mircea_popescu and it's a well known fact that the more connected model always emerges victorious. [08:31]
Vexual yeah then it breaks people starve and start over [08:31]
mircea_popescu which is fundamentally why england conquered scotland rather than the other way around [08:32]
mircea_popescu even though it was a scottish king who did the union [08:32]
decimation yeah here's a blog that shows a map of individualism vs. collectivism [08:32]
Vexual say that in an aberdeen pub [08:32]
mircea_popescu i woudln't call this collectivism tho. [08:32]
mircea_popescu possibly because the term is in my mind strictly related to stalin. [08:32]
decimation the individualist are better at coordinating things on a large scale [08:32]
decimation Interestingly Hungary is a major outlier in Eastern Europe [08:34]
mircea_popescu is this hbd supposed to be "sanity ready to fight spurious accusations of racism" ? [08:35]
Vexual hbd? [08:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00093874 = 21.9196 BTC [+] {2} [08:35]
decimation her thesis is that many of the behaviours people exhibit can be traced back to inbreeding vs. outbreeding [08:36]
mircea_popescu [08:36]
Vexual how can hungary inbreed, the border keeps moving [08:36]
mircea_popescu no seriously ? can i lol yet ? [08:36]
mircea_popescu the us is under 50. [08:37]
mircea_popescu "remember that it’s the individualists who seem to work together best towards the collective — the BIG collective — society as a whole — a nation, for instance. meanwhile, the “collectivists” (as hofstede calls them) — or the clannish groups (as i call them) — don’t manage to handle, or even to create, commonweals hardly at all." [08:38]
mircea_popescu this is really very naive 1930s whig anthropology. [08:38]
mircea_popescu for one thing, the clannish groups don't actually need the large constructs like the alienated individuals do. [08:38]
mircea_popescu but anyway. [08:39]
Vexual yeah [08:39]
herbijudlestoids i need a cheeseburger [08:39]
Vexual get me one [08:39]
herbijudlestoids yes sir [08:39]
herbijudlestoids anyone else want anything? [08:40]
Vexual yeah get me the whole amore meal [08:40]
herbijudlestoids wtf is an amore meal? [08:40]
Vexual two extra cheezeburgers [08:40]
mircea_popescu yea srsly. [08:41]
mircea_popescu apparently mcd is taking advantage of the aussies' polyglot nature. [08:41]
mircea_popescu [08:41]
herbijudlestoids allofmywut.pptx [08:42]
Vexual yeah its acutally the fat cunt meal [08:42]
herbijudlestoids what is the amore about? as in, i love mcdonalds so much, give me one of everything on the menu? [08:42]
Vexual your girl is supposed to get a salad and eat some of your chips [08:42]
mircea_popescu no, as in take the gf. you eat the big hoovespaste thing, she eats the small one [08:42]
mircea_popescu then you fight on the apple pie [08:43]
Vexual lol [08:43]
herbijudlestoids glegh [08:43]
mircea_popescu what do these things cost anymore ? [08:43]
herbijudlestoids glad there is a proper burger joint down the end of my street [08:43]
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mircea_popescu is that thing like 20 dollars ? [08:43]
Vexual bacon on mine [08:43]
Vexual if you dont mind [08:43]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: id guess about that, with the current FX rate at 0.87 [08:44]
herbijudlestoids altho there is the convenient big max index if you wanna work out your PPP that way [08:44]
herbijudlestoids s/max/mac [08:44]
Vexual 123 bux amore [08:44]
Vexual 12 [08:44]
mircea_popescu i was just idly curious [08:44]
mircea_popescu last time i ate in a popular joint i left like 40 dollars there iirc. [08:45]
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herbijudlestoids we just got...TGIF here [08:45]
mircea_popescu this being, of course, romania, where labour an' materials are cheap [08:45]
Vexual can one get a good burger there mp? [08:46]
mircea_popescu i never had one. [08:46]
herbijudlestoids what do you eat mircea_popescu? soylent? :D [08:47]
mircea_popescu last burger i had was at some irish restaurant in boston. i ate it with a knife and fork, much to the waitstaff's delight [08:47]
cazalla i don't know any aussies that buy a family deal from maccas [08:47]
cazalla it's usually fish and chips mate [08:47]
mircea_popescu (all the chicks came one by one to discreetly check me out) [08:47]
herbijudlestoids ooo cazalla you just paused me mid sohe [08:47]
herbijudlestoids shoe* [08:47]
cazalla i just sat down with a cuppa [08:48]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids [08:48]
Vexual u veg? [08:48]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: my trilema buffer is now at 5 articles, if you want me to read more you will have to pay 0.01BTC for a subscription to my HTTP GETs :P [08:48]
mircea_popescu etc [08:48]
mircea_popescu my blog is like an exhaustive mp compendium [08:49]
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Vexual its a delicious clump of pluerotus mushrooms [08:49]
mircea_popescu haha sokay, they'll wait [08:49]
mircea_popescu Vexual no, i eat girls. [08:49]
Vexual vitamin v [08:49]
herbijudlestoids Vexual: ooo did i tell you that i am a fine grower of pleurotus eryngii? [08:49]
mircea_popescu [08:49]
Vexual im not all that much of a mushroom afficianardo to be honest [08:50]
herbijudlestoids i got a lil obsessed from when i lived in victoria [08:50]
cazalla those tomatoes look average [08:50]
Vexual unless theyre draped on a porterhouse [08:50]
herbijudlestoids lactarius deliciosus especially [08:50]
cazalla then again, i grow my own (heat wave is killing em atm though) [08:50]
herbijudlestoids ok fucken ill be back, going to get some burgers before you guys convince me off it completely [08:51]
Vexual what cut is that mp? lower back? [08:51]
Duffer1 ;;google congestive heart failure [08:51]
gribble Congestive Heart Failure Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment - WebMD: ; Heart failure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Congestive Heart Failure - American Heart Association: [08:51]
Vexual [08:52]
mircea_popescu actually, wow there's a ton of shit. and finally : [08:53]
mircea_popescu there's like... 500`000 trillion apparently. [08:53]
mircea_popescu Vexual which one ? [08:54]
mircea_popescu ah the sauerbraten. upper leg. [08:54]
Vexual sauerbraten [08:54]
Vexual mmm, do you keep beef? [08:54]
Vexual whats the marinade, i cant translate, too salivating [08:55]
mircea_popescu Tot in practica eu n-o marinez in otet, cum e ideea nemteasca, ci-n vin, ceva rosu (in imagine dinsus aveti un cupaj de Merlot / Pinot Noir de la Recas. Daca nu sunteti alcolisti ca si mine puteti folosi lapte batut, am mincat o data facuta asa de austriece miini, fu delicioasa. (Si, si). [08:55]
Vexual yeah [08:56]
mircea_popescu also in practice, i don't use vinegar, like the germans, i use wine, something red (depicted above, merlot/pinot noir from recas) [08:56]
mircea_popescu if you're not alcoholics like me you can use buttermilk, i had it once made by austrian hands, it was delicious (both) [08:56]
Vexual i feel you [08:56]
Vexual that looks like thew kinda cut that gets full price in japan [08:57]
Vexual i see four steaks [08:58]
KRS1 Billy Goat? lol [08:58]
mircea_popescu lotta mouths to feed. [08:58]
Vexual yeah u roast in the cast iron? [08:59]
mircea_popescu yeah [09:00]
mircea_popescu or clay dutch oven [09:00]
Vexual on a fire in the garden? [09:01]
mircea_popescu nah [09:02]
mircea_popescu too much hassle to improvise useful fires when you got an oven and everything [09:02]
Vexual thats why theres a lip on the lid of the pot, for coals [09:03]
Vexual you with your fancy gas [09:04]
mircea_popescu :p [09:06]
twizt .bait [09:07]
twizt ;9 [09:07]
twizt ;(* [09:08]
KRS1 ;;seen ozbot [09:08]
gribble ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 27 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 610 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.0561% in 3d 12h 14m 55s [09:08]
KRS1 no bait tonight [09:09]
Vexual ;;see Graet [09:09]
gribble Error: "see" is not a valid command. [09:09]
Vexual ;;seenGraet [09:09]
gribble Error: "seenGraet" is not a valid command. [09:09]
Vexual ;;seen raet [09:09]
gribble I have not seen raet. [09:09]
Vexual ;;seen Graet [09:09]
gribble Graet was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: yep, got eta tho? [09:09]
Vexual drool fail [09:10]
mircea_popescu [09:10]
mircea_popescu there. double cheezburgers, an' goodnite. [09:10]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [15:59]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [15:59]
mircea_popescu so since pretty much anyone here has a better knowledge of webstuff than i do, here's a question : [15:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00093333 = 21.2799 BTC [+] {2} [16:00]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as you're going to do a site with accounts, which people can log in over http (stupid as this may be) [16:00]
mircea_popescu wouldn't the best practice be, that upon user registration you generate a user salt and a nonce, send these as a hashed cookie, [16:00]
mircea_popescu and upon each subsequent login you a) check if the user has the old cookie ; b) hash the salt, store it, increment the nonce, store it ; c) send a new cookie [16:01]
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mircea_popescu if your salt+nonce -> cookie process is deterministic you can even verify it's the same actual user to any arbitrary degree of fineness (such as, same ip) [16:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [16:03]
mircea_popescu the question being, is anyone currently doing this ? [16:03]
mircea_popescu (obviously in this case by "login" i mean, any http request to your server at all) [16:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] [16:08]
nubbins` hi [16:09]
mircea_popescu buna sa-ti fie inima, straine. [16:11]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell herbijudlestoids those same people said to you [16:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:15]
nubbins` toată lumea de aici este strainu [16:15]
mircea_popescu haha [16:15]
nubbins` or whatever :D [16:16]
mircea_popescu "este straină" [16:16]
mircea_popescu but otherwise wd. [16:16]
* nubbins` bows [16:16]
mircea_popescu anywya : hi in romanian is, to this day, "buna ziua", ie good day. [16:16]
mircea_popescu the ancientest response to this is "may your heart be good, stranger" [16:16]
mircea_popescu used liberally cca... 1700 [16:16]
nubbins` that's bordering on an arabic level of eloquence [16:17]
mircea_popescu romania had been bordering on an arabic invasion of the western world all through the middle ages. [16:17]
nubbins` well there ya go! [16:17]
nubbins` peace be upon you as well, etc [16:18]
mircea_popescu for instance the town i live in, has been sieged by the turks and by the germans about 18 times, switching sides like 7 [16:18]
mircea_popescu because it controls the only easy access into the west from constantinople. [16:18]
nubbins` fun fact, i only learned two arabic phrases when visiting morocco [16:18]
mircea_popescu bismallah being one ? [16:18]
nubbins` actually only learned that one afterward [16:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [+] [16:19]
nubbins` anyway, people were much less impressed with my wa'alaykum salaam when it became clear that i didn't need to buy a rug [16:19]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell herbijudlestoids srsly, blogspot ? why such evil ;/ [16:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:20]
mircea_popescu hahaha [16:20]
nubbins` "cutting a rug" is a euphemism here, but not for what you'd think [16:21]
mircea_popescu dancing ? [16:21]
nubbins` you're more perceptive than most [16:21]
nubbins` also known as "having a scuff" [16:21]
mircea_popescu you know, all that grammar truffles doesn't know. [16:21]
mircea_popescu i know it >D [16:21]
KRS- "cleaning a rug" is a euphamism here, commonly paired with "laying pipe". [16:22]
KRS- .bait [16:22]
nubbins` ﷽‎ [16:22]
nubbins` ^ that's a single glyph! [16:22]
KRS- How did you type nothing [16:23]
nubbins` how do you not have any arabic fonts installed? [16:23]
mircea_popescu amusingly, it reads like a square with f0f0 written in it, which'd be a short form of a romanian euphemism for... cunt, of course [16:23]
KRS- ah thats why [16:23]
mircea_popescu fofoloanca. [16:23]
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KRS- haha [16:23]
nubbins` right in the fofolanca [16:23]
mircea_popescu maybe it's really fdfd and im just being freudian [16:23]
pankkake mircea_popescu: most websites, and almost all frameworks I've seen, only use a cookie that isn't refreshed, and is either left to expire stupidly, or never expiring [16:23]
mircea_popescu pankkake so then this'd be beyond my comprehension. why in the fuck ? [16:24]
nubbins` pankkake: fuckit, drive space is cheap ;p [16:24]
pankkake if you add a signed timestamp to the cookie, maybe you can limit logins from old stolen cookies [16:24]
mircea_popescu obviously you have to chain cookies if you're using that retarded method of keeping track of user state. [16:24]
nubbins` my favourite euphemism for pussy these days is "ham wallet" [16:24]
mircea_popescu what are you, an aluminum siding salesman ?! [16:24]
nubbins` great for industrial buildings as well as the home! [16:25]
mircea_popescu (guy walks into a girlscout cookie clambake. as the festivities progress he keeps getting more and more excited [16:25]
KRS- pankkake: good luck with that cookie strategy if you are using multiple web servers [16:25]
mircea_popescu eventually he asks a supervisor : so when do you skewer their meatflaps already ?) [16:25]
mircea_popescu KRS- what'd be the problem ? [16:25]
pankkake KRS-: it's a signed cookie, not session cookie; and managing sessions over multiple servers is possible too [16:26]
pankkake but usually the process is that you have an auth cookie (lifetime = high), and a session cookie (lifetime = short) [16:26]
nubbins` managing sessions over several servers is commonplace [16:26]
pankkake and we're only talking about the auth cookie [16:26]
mircea_popescu pankkake so is the session cookie changed on each pageload ? [16:26]
KRS- Load balanced web servers would associate that cookie to one particular web server, if the load balancer stategy isn't carefully chosen (if possible) when the load balancer shifts traffic the cookie could become invalid beecause another web server doesn't know about the cookie. [16:26]
nubbins` ^ [16:27]
mircea_popescu KRS- inasmuch as they all run your code they all know about the cookie. [16:27]
nubbins` have seen this [16:27]
pankkake no, it doesn't change, that's the point [16:27]
mircea_popescu pankkake well that's fucktarded. [16:27]
pankkake unless you store session data in it, but usually it's just a secret ID [16:27]
nubbins` had to troubleshoot a web app once where there was a round-robin load balancing setup. each new page request launched a new session, up to a max of 3 (the number of servers) [16:28]
KRS- I've dealt with this problem before. You have to carefully pick a load balanced strategy or pick another session persistence. [16:28]
mircea_popescu why so much derp ;/ [16:28]
pankkake the session cookie isn't kept. if you close the browser, it's removed, etc. [16:28]
pankkake it's a poor's man stateful over stateless crap [16:29]
nubbins` what are you guys talking about, anyway [16:29]
mircea_popescu very poor man. [16:29]
KRS- This is my kind of it work, not much of a this stuffl. [16:29]
mircea_popescu today we learn nubbins` doth not read the logs [16:29]
nubbins` i read like halfway through today [16:30]
nubbins` lotta noise ;( [16:30]
KRS- pankkake gets it =D [16:30]
KRS- sysadmin pankkake? [16:30]
pankkake but the auth cookie thing is interesting. it wouldn't be so hard to write a more secure implementation that most of what's out there [16:30]
KRS- true [16:30]
nubbins` oh jeez, literally right before i joined [16:30]
pankkake sysadmin for fun and dev for work, basically [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00093336 = 16.0538 BTC [+] {2} [16:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.16366666 = 0.3273 BTC [-] [16:30]
KRS- ya its hard to find work as sysadmin where I live, but the work lasts a very long time. [16:31]
KRS- secure [16:31]
nubbins` so let's suppose the user loses their old cookie, what then? [16:32]
KRS- sign back in [16:32]
KRS- unless like pankkake said, its just a signed cookie not session [16:32]
nubbins` but [16:32]
nubbins` you're no longer verifying it's anybody if the old cookie is gone, no? [16:33]
pankkake ooh actually I wrote something like it earlier, without thinking much about it. the auth cookie has an expiration, but at every session cookie recreation, the auth cookie is refreshed [16:33]
nubbins` sure, but suppose the user clears his cookies. [16:34]
pankkake so it allows auth cookies that still expire fast, while not forcing you to relogin if you visit the site often [16:34]
pankkake well any cookie removal logs you out obviously [16:34]
KRS- mitm comes to mind [16:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6651 @ 0.00093273 = 6.2036 BTC [-] [16:34]
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nubbins` so you can verify it's the same user logging in each time, unless they perform a relatively common, semmingly benign action, like clearing their cookies [16:35]
nubbins` why even bother with all the hocus pocus? [16:35]
KRS- maybe to incorporate the salt+nonce that mircea_popescu was talking about? [16:36]
KRS- not sure [16:36]
pankkake it's a way to ensure you only have fresh cookies - stealing old cookies cannot work [16:36]
pankkake helps prevent replay attacks… kinda [16:36]
nubbins` hm [16:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15766 @ 0.0009273 = 14.6198 BTC [-] [16:36]
pankkake it's not going to be very good [16:37]
nubbins` seems like rubber bands and paperclips [16:37]
pankkake when I did implement that thing, it was more because I wanted cookies to expire in a smarter way [16:37]
nubbins` if you're that worried, just let the auth cookies expire after a half hour. [16:37]
nubbins` there's no "keep me logged in" checkbox on my bank's website [16:38]
nubbins` if you're worried about cookies being stolen, there should be no such checkbox on your site either [16:39]
pankkake my bank is using RC4 "encryption" [16:39]
pankkake 128 bit too [16:39]
pankkake and if you try to force it to do something else, it rejects you [16:39]
pankkake lol, banks [16:40]
nubbins` when i lived in korea, my bank required that i ran an activex control, had a cookie stored on a usb thumb drive, and asked for two separate five-digit codes from a list of about 50 that were provided as a wallet-sized card [16:42]
nubbins` before i could even enter my card number :o [16:42]
nubbins` such intentions, many fail, etc [16:42]
asciilifeform ah, korea, land of eternal IE6. [16:42]
nubbins` ^ [16:42]
KRS- why RC4 [16:42]
KRS- securing transport layer is hard anyway [16:43]
pankkake mircea_popescu: see reissue_time, it looks like those guys thought of it too :) [16:43]
pankkake KRS-: probably because of the BEAST attack, but they must have botched the configuration [16:44]
KRS- hopefully they are using it together with another mechanism, which is probably the case and would be just fine. [16:44]
pankkake no, they are very incompetent [16:44]
KRS- seems to be the case everywhere.. [16:45]
pankkake 1) it's a bank 2) it's a FRENCH bank 3) their website reeks incompetence [16:45]
KRS- pankkake I've done a lot of consulting...from the private sector to government..none of them got it right. I imagine the big guys do like BOA, Google, etc. [16:46]
pankkake sadly the gpg over http projects seem to go nowhere [16:46]
KRS- One exception was the Florida Turnpike Enterprise (a private business implementation of a government roadway function to accept tolls and what not)..they had a firm grasp on I.T. security from their payment processor to their wireless roadway nodes..I was very impressed. [16:47]
KRS- Ya wonder why that seems pretty solid to me. [16:47]
nubbins` years ago i did maintenance on a lottery corporation website [16:48]
nubbins` THEY had security figured out [16:48]
pankkake CACert allows you to authenticate with a browser certificate, though. I don't know any other website allowing it [16:49]
mircea_popescu pankkake too late, ima post it. [16:51]
nubbins` i should take a dump before the gym [16:51]
pankkake post what? [16:51]
asciilifeform [16:54]
nubbins` nice formatting ;( [16:56]
asciilifeform nubbins`: not mine [16:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6912 @ 0.00093379 = 6.4544 BTC [+] [16:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that korea story reminds me of playing old z80 games [16:59]
mircea_popescu "please look in your manual to continue moving larry around the lounge" [16:59]
KRS- pankkake: probably because the CA cert won't complete the certificate chain for the general public. The cert would have to be signed by a custom CA I think. [17:00]
nubbins` lel yeah [17:00]
nubbins` "to continue sir graham's quest, type the 8th word on page 5" [17:00]
mircea_popescu seems like rubber bands and paperclips << it's fucking stateful http. It WOULD be. [17:00]
KRS- large intranets would prob use that [17:00]
nubbins` anyway, time to strap myself to a torture machine for an hour, seeya [17:01]
KRS- c ya [17:01]
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water4ll who is trading S.MPOE? [17:21]
jurov water4ll, there were ~40 new mpex accounts last month alone [17:23]
jurov plus others via coinbr [17:23]
water4ll I'm just a little surprised at consistent trading volume [17:23]
mircea_popescu why is consistent trading volume surprising ? [17:23]
water4ll well it's a higher barrier to entry than say havelock [17:24]
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water4ll even with broker [17:24]
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jurov i'd say the barrier motivates people to take care of their assets [17:24]
water4ll and high value traded too, none of that 0.05btc nonsense [17:24]
water4ll always 10,20 etc [17:24]
mircea_popescu water4ll yes, the fact that mpex is a respectable exchange makes it have consistent volume [17:25]
mircea_popescu unlike all the scamexchanges to date. [17:25]
mircea_popescu what in there is surprising ? [17:25]
water4ll seems a lot of inflated volume [17:25]
mircea_popescu Feb 02 05:05:26 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 588 @ 0.00093125 = 0.5476 BTC [+] [17:25]
mircea_popescu it happens, but apparently not too often. [17:26]
mircea_popescu water4ll listen, there's a difference between "i don't want X to be true and therefore i'll say things" and "X is surprising". [17:26]
jurov water4ll, i'm doing S.MPOE/BBET-PT passthrough payout and in 3 months so far only half of people went through it [17:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [17:26]
jurov it clearly shows they don't give a fuck [17:26]
jurov unlike on mpex [17:26]
water4ll jurov": what do you mean? via coinbr? [17:26]
jurov they paid (or have to pay monthly) [17:26]
jurov yes, it's the passthrought from BTCT [17:27]
water4ll BTCT I thought closed down some time ago [17:27]
water4ll oh nvm [17:27]
water4ll got t [17:27]
mircea_popescu wow you still struggling with that ?! [17:27]
water4ll lol [17:27]
water4ll hard to keep track these days [17:27]
mircea_popescu poor jurov lol [17:27]
jurov yes, i just left it there [17:27]
water4ll glbse bitfunder [17:27]
jurov no additional expense [17:28]
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jurov hey everyone who was on btct, try checking here: [17:29]
jurov maybe you'll get a surprise ;) [17:29]
jurov and if you want to try coinbr, you have free 1 month till next monthly fee and 1 free withdrawal [17:30]
mircea_popescu now that's an idea [17:30]
mircea_popescu prolly best advertised on forum tho [17:30]
jurov oh, it was announced there when I put it online [17:30]
jurov and then again and again [17:31]
jurov they just cnat raed [17:31]
mircea_popescu why would theyu right ? [17:31]
mircea_popescu like that jimmothy fellow. "ingore everything that's said, quote wikipedia" [17:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, if anyone would like to critique. [17:32]
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water4ll mircea_popescu: how many articles do you pump out daily? [17:33]
mircea_popescu been averaging 1-2 in 2013. [17:33]
mircea_popescu bout where it is, 30-60 a month. [17:33]
water4ll Wow [17:33]
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mircea_popescu lol you think that's wow, talk to benkay. i think he's done thirty this week. [17:34]
water4ll I tried to write a blog once, after 5 minutes I found myself opening some new tabs [17:34]
mircea_popescu to quote george for you, "They're men with jobs, Jerry! ... They're married, they have secretaries." [17:35]
water4ll [17:35]
mircea_popescu that sounds like the clap not a cookie. [17:36]
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water4ll they are both persistent [17:37]
ThickerThanThiev I'm also not savvy on cookies, but my naive question is, why doesn't the browser manage user auth? [17:40]
pankkake mircea_popescu: your irc copy paste is broken, the last part is about using RC4, and not related to the rest [17:41]
mircea_popescu oh [17:41]
pankkake i.e. anything after "Probably because of the BEAST attack" [17:41]
water4ll crime more concern than beast [17:41]
mircea_popescu so is psylon a french bank ? [17:41]
pankkake pylons is a web framework, sort of [17:42]
pankkake I don't know why you mangled those two things together [17:42]
mircea_popescu that's nice, had too much quite in there anyway. check it ? [17:42]
mircea_popescu why, because i'm doing fifty things that;s why. [17:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [17:42]
mircea_popescu be glad i don't accidentally insert nudes in rndom tech articles or something. [17:43]
pankkake that would be less confusing [17:43]
water4ll mircea_popescu: I think it's time [17:43]
mircea_popescu "it too :)" alligns with "probably" on the next line in my view. so i just read over krs and thus it formed one line. [17:44]
water4ll has anybody got the address of rpietila's new private bitcoin forum [17:44]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:44]
mircea_popescu you can't have that unless you post a pic with a bunch of junk metal all over your head. [17:44]
water4ll i sent shoe on head pic to him via pm [17:44]
water4ll nobody here invited? [17:45]
mircea_popescu sorry man. can't share it without the pic. [17:45]
mircea_popescu that's what he said. [17:45]
water4ll [17:45]
mircea_popescu you're a pregnant woman. [17:48]
water4ll [17:48]
water4ll she said the 3rd is the cutest [17:48]
water4ll whatever brand of animal these are [17:48]
water4ll but you can barely see it [17:48]
water4ll it's covered by the other one [17:48]
mircea_popescu the shit i find. champagne float. [17:48]
water4ll I have to be frugal with these links [17:49]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [17:49]
water4ll open cupboard is bare [17:49]
mircea_popescu or go mine some ATC and trade it for BTC to buy Trilema credits with [17:49]
mircea_popescu a crypto economy! [17:49]
water4ll need to travel pickup few precious trilemna credits [17:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02900003 = 0.377 BTC [-] {4} [17:50]
water4ll mircea_popescu: will you stay in romania for remainder of your life? [17:50]
mircea_popescu i've only come here recently. i was in cr/central america for a few years. [17:50]
mircea_popescu the us before that, etc. [17:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02895 = 0.3474 BTC [-] {3} [17:51]
water4ll I had known some guys from romania, they couldn't wait to leave. for places like HK [17:51]
water4ll I've not been personally [17:51]
mircea_popescu how old were they ? [17:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [17:52]
water4ll some in early 20's some in 30's [17:52]
water4ll very enterprising bunch [17:52]
mircea_popescu were they poor ? were they married ? [17:52]
water4ll well they started selling potatoes [17:52]
water4ll so initially poor, but now mostly have plenty of $ [17:53]
mircea_popescu in short : why should it be surprising that socially and sexually unattached young males wish to travel ? of course they would, if they're healthy. [17:53]
kakobrekla hey [17:53]
kakobrekla we are getting assraped here [17:53]
water4ll not so much travel, because they don't have intention of coming back [17:53]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla waitwut ? [17:53]
mircea_popescu water4ll that's travel. [17:54]
kakobrekla whole country = code red [17:54]
mircea_popescu snow ? [17:54]
kakobrekla yes [17:54]
kakobrekla ice [17:54]
mircea_popescu you don't deserve it. [17:54]
kakobrekla no power no nothing. [17:54]
kakobrekla no water [17:54]
water4ll where is snow? [17:54]
mircea_popescu you got snow right ? whatcha mean no water. [17:54]
kakobrekla from the pipes! [17:54]
water4ll kakobrekia: which country? [17:54]
kakobrekla slovenia [17:54]
mircea_popescu take girl out, remove bra, put snow on her, obtain water from the titties. [17:55]
mircea_popescu better than water from the pipes. [17:55]
water4ll wow it looks so beautiful [17:55]
kakobrekla anyway, im on my last ups now and its running low, so i might be offline for a day or three [17:55]
mircea_popescu jesus. [17:55]
mircea_popescu listen, come over. [17:55]
water4ll just a ps soon [17:55]
kakobrekla im not driving in this weather [17:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [17:56]
mircea_popescu well i can't teleport you [17:56]
mircea_popescu there's no power there. [17:56]
kakobrekla yes sucks. [17:56]
kakobrekla hehe [17:56]
deadweasel snowmobile? [17:56]
deadweasel :P [17:56]
* mircea_popescu pictures kako hooking up his stairmaster to a dynamo, [17:56]
mircea_popescu exercise 1 hr, irc 5 minutes [17:56]
mircea_popescu a week later, kako looks like peyton manning [17:57]
kakobrekla lmao [17:57]
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water4ll kako 'mr legs' brekla [17:57]
mircea_popescu the best part of any frog. [17:57]
mircea_popescu [17:59]
mircea_popescu pic looks good. [17:59]
water4ll I love the snow [18:00]
water4ll isn't it exciting? [18:00]
water4ll even better when trails are cancelled and lights go out [18:00]
mircea_popescu yeah well, some people got shit to do. [18:01]
water4ll I just use as excuse to smoke in train toilet [18:02]
water4ll then you can relax and read a book or something [18:02]
water4ll makes a change to normal dailly routine [18:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla think about it tho. here everything's fine, snow is melting. you can see the ground. [18:03]
water4ll the water in slovenia is so clean [18:03]
mircea_popescu sucks to drive for a few hours but what if you're stuck there for 2 weeks [18:03]
water4ll I don't understand why you can be trapped anywhere in the snow [18:04]
water4ll wow [18:05]
water4ll [18:05]
water4ll look at this snow horse [18:05]
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kakobrekla ok, going back dark, wish me luck. [18:09]
kakobrekla cya [18:09]
water4ll stay strong [18:09]
jurov kakobrekla, no trains either? here we have a little ice, but no such problems [18:12]
jurov just go to vienna and from there [18:12]
jurov gone ... [18:13]
water4ll been consumed by an avalanche [18:13]
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mircea_popescu apparently railroads are blocked too [18:14]
mircea_popescu serbia can't move into hungary etc [18:14]
water4ll what's the problem, stock up on wood and candles and food [18:15]
jurov but if you heat by electricity... [18:16]
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jurov and slovenia has usually mild climate, they don't have gas/central heaters everywhere like here [18:17]
water4ll oh [18:17]
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ThickerThanThiev During Fiscal Year 2013, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing delivered approximately 26 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $1.3 billion. About 90 percent of the notes are used to replace notes already in, or taken out of circulation. [18:29]
ThickerThanThiev How do you replace a note already in circulation? [18:29]
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ThickAsThieves << seems they've decided it's called ALT not ATC. <<< The hear wants what the hear wants! [18:31]
ThickAsThieves heart* [18:31]
mircea_popescu indeed. [18:31]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what they mean is "notes are used to either send to consumers which sell us burned/destroyed paper money, or else to banks or other institutions that have the authority to remove paper from circulation" [18:32]
mircea_popescu but reporter can't write. [18:32]
ThickAsThieves its from the the official website [18:33]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:33]
ThickAsThieves great domain too [18:33]
mircea_popescu yeah, great indeed. [18:34]
ThickAsThieves is there a counter like the National Debt Clock for dollar dilution? [18:34]
ThickAsThieves thats all i'm looking for really [18:34]
mircea_popescu no. [18:34]
mircea_popescu they ceased publishing the m3 in 2005 [18:34]
mircea_popescu becase "it wasn't interesting" [18:35]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding the only time i heard someone in this channel wanting some sort of info from the usg [18:35]
mircea_popescu it was you wanting the m3 above. [18:35]
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ThickAsThieves the clock wouldnt tell the whole story anyway I guess, but would still be an easy way to show US people clearly what happens [18:37]
ThickAsThieves people really dont understand money gets printed daily [18:37]
ThickAsThieves NEW money [18:37]
mircea_popescu people understand all too well they do not wish to understand this if they wish to continue whatever it is they're doing. [18:38]
mircea_popescu so... no. [18:38]
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ThickAsThieves So am I correct in stating the USG reports there exists approx $11,000,000,000,000? [18:47]
ThickAsThieves [18:47]
ThickAsThieves which would be $500,000,000 new dollars in 2013? [18:48]
ThickAsThieves wait [18:49]
ThickAsThieves $500,000,000,000 [18:49]
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chetty What dollars? They are just 1's&0's in computers somewhere - oh wait thats btc, oh wait .. [18:51]
ThickAsThieves i'm just trying to understand the money supply better [18:52]
ThickAsThieves not which of it is paper [18:52]
KRS- i think i'm going to change careers..i want to become a rapper. [18:52]
ThickAsThieves have you ever rapped before? [18:53]
KRS- what are my chances [18:53]
KRS- no [18:53]
KRS- but i like rap [18:53]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:53]
ThickAsThieves do you like pizza? [18:53]
KRS- thats how some people are these days with I.T. [18:53]
ThickAsThieves maybe you should become one of those [18:53]
KRS- ikr [18:53]
KRS- "oh i can click shit and run the wizard" "I is a computer expert" [18:53]
ThickAsThieves Windows Exper [18:54]
ThickAsThieves t [18:54]
KRS- dime a dozen [18:54]
ThickAsThieves depends where you are [18:54]
ThickAsThieves like if you work in a retirement home [18:54]
ThickAsThieves WIndows Experts are pretty useful [18:54]
ThickAsThieves or a numkber of small nonprofits [18:55]
KRS- worked at this one company where upper IT management thought they were all hot shit like that but had no idea of the underlying concepts [18:55]
KRS- then went running to the dev's for support [18:55]
KRS- and took credit for the effiencies, increased sales and gains [18:56]
ThickAsThieves I had to give this one adult day health care place all new staff emails twice in two years because staff turnover and "but they wanna use their Yahoo" [18:56]
KRS- hah [18:56]
KRS- the best was a nonprofit i consulted for..the 68 yo CFO was telling me how to do my job..needless to say i didnt service them past the initial 2-3 visits. [18:57]
ThickAsThieves small business web hosting mostly consists of "I lost my iPhone can you get my email back the new one?" and "Why are erection pill ads on my home page?" [18:58]
ThickAsThieves old people really dont trust IT people at all [18:58]
KRS- haha ya or the formatting isnt quite right on my spreadsheet or word document [18:58]
ThickAsThieves probly from being burned by all the expert nephews and windows experts [18:59]
KRS- ya i guess i cant blame them..much incompetence out there. [18:59]
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KRS- other SMB's have been great, long time clients, low workload, worked 2-4 days a week on average and made great money..thinking about going that route again, i just hate selling myself..maybe i can get a marketing company to do that. [19:00]
ThickAsThieves a ha "There was approximately $1.23 trillion in circulation as of January 29, 2014, of which $1.18 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes." [19:00]
KRS- ouch [19:01]
ThickAsThieves [19:01]
ThickAsThieves i cant sort how these numbers add up though [19:01]
KRS- see the news lately, DOW and other markets are looking flaky [19:01]
KRS- most US currnecy overseas [19:01]
ThickAsThieves like, how doe sthe first report show $11t, the second say 1.23t, and the debt clock say $ [19:03]
KRS- smoke and mirrors dude [19:03]
ThickAsThieves nah there has to be some sort of path through the math [19:03]
ThickAsThieves made up or not [19:03]
KRS- ..was going to say if you want to trust those numbers. [19:03]
ThickAsThieves it is has to add up somewhere right? [19:04]
KRS- the government has been pulling back i hear [19:04]
ThickAsThieves maybe the simple answer is to just use the largest one [19:04]
KRS- ThickAsThieves: it does. Its carefully scrutinized, but where you go for the numbers are for those in the know. [19:04]
KRS- Pretty sure. [19:04]
KRS- Like labor statistics..published vs unpublished. [19:04]
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ThickAsThieves if we owe $17.25t then that is probly the minimum amount of dollars, no? [19:05]
ThickAsThieves printed or not [19:05]
KRS- you would think [19:05]
KRS- Either way its a bad situation. [19:05]
ThickAsThieves i'm looking for an easy way to educate my circles on dollar inflation and dilution [19:06]
KRS- is that of benefit to you? [19:06]
ThickAsThieves i want them to undestand they do not have $X in the bank [19:06]
KRS- oh for proper investment? [19:06]
ThickAsThieves and that tomorrow, they will have less $ in the bank whether they withdraw or not [19:06]
KRS- I'm sure serious investors already know this. [19:06]
KRS- I'm sure most investors do. [19:06]
ThickAsThieves this is for friends and family [19:07]
KRS- ah ..another story. [19:07]
KRS- Good [19:07]
ThickAsThieves its total ignirance out there man [19:07]
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ThickAsThieves ignorance [19:07]
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KRS- You aint similar family like that thinking their 401k's are fine and all. [19:07]
KRS- They wont even listen to me. [19:07]
ThickAsThieves or at least what mp says total ignore-ance [19:07]
mircea_popescu yeah i was gonna say, glwt but it ain't happening/ [19:08]
mircea_popescu that's why family is best organised as slaves in a harem [19:08]
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mircea_popescu you tell them what to do and are done with it. [19:08]
mircea_popescu with ppl as they are, even picking a fucking place to eat takes tw odays. [19:08]
mircea_popescu by the time you explain the situation to them you could have made more money than their aggregate savings by just... working. [19:09]
mircea_popescu like, doing something useful. which explaining stuff to idiots rarely is. [19:09]
KRS- heh [19:09]
ThickAsThieves you are so right about picking place to eat! [19:09]
KRS- so true man [19:09]
ThickAsThieves when we travel, [19:09]
KRS- give people a choice and it is teh fucks up everything [19:09]
mircea_popescu dude, you just yell "on your knees" and everyone is on their knees. [19:09]
ThickAsThieves I pre-choose every mean place before we even get to the airport [19:09]
mircea_popescu makes things so fucking easy. [19:09]
ThickAsThieves meal* [19:10]
KRS- people actually want to be told imo [19:10]
chetty It does not have to add up. THey don't think the masses can do math so they bother with things like that [19:10]
ThickAsThieves so you guys are saying there really is no answer? [19:10]
mircea_popescu chetty actually, banks came up with clown&baloon patterns for the back of cheques, i wonder how long till your actual bank statment is in pictures [19:11]
ThickAsThieves that there are vastly conflicting ways to count the money? [19:11]
mircea_popescu numbers being racist and all. [19:11]
nubbins` [19:11]
nubbins` ^ sounds like it doesn't snow where that guy lives [19:11]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there are in fact vastly different ways to ACCOUNT. [19:11]
mircea_popescu "Those assets that he had, they were in fact somehow valued. On one approach to valuation, they came out X. On another approach to valuation, they came out Y. There’s little convergence between the series of Xs and Ys." [19:11]
lippoper I want ozbot back [19:12]
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ThickAsThieves sure, but how do i sort out what a dollar is worth, ignoring outside inflations [19:12]
mircea_popescu you don't. [19:12]
chetty Some congress critter said they need to do weather reports in eubonics, thats why so many in NO didn't leave, they didn't understand. [19:12]
mircea_popescu how do you sort out what the word "it" means, ignoring outside inflations ? [19:12]
ThickAsThieves by striclty looking at money creation changes [19:13]
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mircea_popescu the reason pure mercantilist views are derided by ws today is sound tho. [19:13]
mircea_popescu you're trying to live in 1700, which doesn't work. [19:13]
ThickAsThieves i want to be be able to form a sentence like "If we print the same amount of money in 2014 as 2013, your $1 with be worth .82" [19:14]
mircea_popescu the us dollar is a negotiable credit instrument, like any paper. it does not have this "fixed" value you wish toassign it. [19:14]
mircea_popescu yes, but you can't form that stance. [19:14]
mircea_popescu and if you could, i could write a bot to exploit your currency and make me rich [19:14]
mircea_popescu rendering your statement false in the process. [19:14]
mircea_popescu (this, incidentally, is largely what soros vs bank of england was all about) [19:15]
ThickAsThieves that implies things happen to icrease dollar value no? [19:15]
mircea_popescu that implies that the exchange value of a negotiable instrument is only known after the negotiation completes. [19:15]
nubbins` ^ [19:15]
mircea_popescu [19:16]
nubbins` you don't know what the value of your white tamagotchi is until some sucker buys it [19:16]
mircea_popescu "The problem inflationary currency bestows upon capital allocators is insolvable. They are given money of no certain value (pretty much the only sure thing about the paper currency is that it is, literally, burning in your hands, it ticks away like a bomb, it blows in the wind like dust - all this while you’re holding it) and have to do something with it. They always, always, always, absolutely always have more than [19:16]
mircea_popescu is in fact needed." [19:16]
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nubbins` and even then, that only settles the question of what YOUR white tama was worth. [19:16]
mircea_popescu that "no certain value" is in there for a reason. [19:16]
nubbins` to one guy, even. [19:16]
ThickAsThieves ugh [19:17]
ThickAsThieves I get it, I do, but this is not easy to communicate to normals [19:17]
mircea_popescu myeah. [19:18]
mircea_popescu which is why normals can't make exchanges, or ipos, or etc. [19:18]
mircea_popescu nor can they understand WHY is it that you won't let them. [19:18]
mircea_popescu obviously, it's because scam and racist. [19:18]
ThickAsThieves why the fuck is the phenomenon that uneducated think complicated info is untrustworthy [19:19]
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mircea_popescu if you think about it, that's the stable game-theoretic solution. [19:19]
ThickAsThieves like if i rant on all this to my mom, she'll think i'm a conspiracy theorist [19:19]
mircea_popescu what should your server do with requests it doesn't comprehend ? a. drop them b. anything else. [19:20]
ThickAsThieves well your server is a slave right [19:20]
ThickAsThieves it does what you tell it to [19:20]
mircea_popescu well it'd better not be enough of a whore to do anything any user tells it. [19:20]
mircea_popescu ideally it's your slave, as you have the ssh [19:20]
nubbins` are you asking why people don't trust things they don't understand? :( [19:20]
ThickAsThieves the risk with slaves! [19:20]
ThickAsThieves well i dont necessarily want to conversate about that aspect nubbins [19:21]
asciilifeform 'Postel's Law,' that historic mistake. [19:21]
mircea_popescu iirc jurov was trying some experiments with giving anon users root on the box or something [19:21]
nubbins` not much to converse about :D [19:21]
nubbins` or conversate, for that matter ;p [19:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually postel's is great for the web. it's just that the web is NOT great for "anything" [19:22]
mircea_popescu and that's what the fucktarded altchainers have been doing to the internet, try to make everything out of web [19:22]
mircea_popescu just like some insane dood at your favourite eatery, where you once had some marzipan and like it. [19:23]
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mircea_popescu next time you visit it's all like "yo dawg! i hear yu like marzipan so now I made everything out of marzipan! [19:23]
mircea_popescu like... the steak. the milk. YOUR CHAIR" [19:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik, postel's law came out of electronics, where you want to emit clear 'high' or 'low' voltage but do something other than choke & die if you're given a weird glitch (something in between) [19:23]
mircea_popescu make everything out of web, make everything out of blockchains, make everything out of etc. [19:24]
ThickAsThieves they in their own type of Kink High, let them play! [19:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform also a web-ish sort of situation. [19:24]
asciilifeform exactly. we had 'Muller's gate' in the '50s, with 'ready' signals. but nobody uses. [19:25]
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mircea_popescu basically, has it : people actually want to be told [19:26]
nubbins` ugh, i find myself in the unenviable position of having funds in my paypal account that i wish to convert to btc [19:29]
nubbins` this has literally never happened before D: [19:29]
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ThickAsThieves people want to be told > thus rely on trust > thus capitalism becomes great liar [19:29]
mircea_popescu nah, a model where 90% of the population trusts 10% in chunks of ~10 individuals, and then in turn and hten in turn [19:30]
mircea_popescu is pretty much the most stable thing in nature. [19:30]
mircea_popescu you need about a dozen or so tiers and you're golden. [19:30]
mircea_popescu the problem we have now is with the nationalist state of napoleon (and the us which is really just a pale copy) having successfully attacked this natural wot [19:31]
mircea_popescu with the result of 99.99999% trusting 0.00001% [19:31]
mircea_popescu with just one tier you're fucked. [19:31]
ThickAsThieves is it even possible to prevent? [19:31]
mircea_popescu it's a self-limiting condition. [19:31]
mircea_popescu and teh time's tick tock. [19:32]
ThickAsThieves i mean in general, is a wot's compromise inevitable [19:33]
mircea_popescu my read of history shows it is, yes. [19:33]
mircea_popescu game theory indicates it is, too [19:33]
mircea_popescu the nation model only emerges in situations where "the right thing" is plainly obvious [19:33]
mircea_popescu these are necessarily limited in time and exceptional. [19:33]
ThickAsThieves so the compromise of bitcoin is inevitable [19:34]
mircea_popescu how do you mean ? [19:34]
ThickAsThieves it is a wot, no? [19:34]
ThickAsThieves miners mining [19:34]
ThickAsThieves people trusting the ledger [19:35]
nubbins` ehh.... [19:35]
mircea_popescu but look : ten people in boondocks, new jersey somewhere who heard of bitcoin are tier 1 [19:36]
mircea_popescu they all know this guy down the street, and trust him cause he's cool [19:36]
mircea_popescu he's tier 2. [19:36]
mircea_popescu he knows of the wot, and keeps deals with some other people so he can buy/sell btc for his friends at home [19:36]
mircea_popescu there [19:36]
ThickAsThieves core devs core-developing ( i also shoulda have added ) [19:36]
mircea_popescu 's a guy that knows the mall and escrows for them [19:36]
mircea_popescu that guy is tier 3 [19:36]
mircea_popescu these guys kind-of know each other [19:36]
ThickAsThieves but you are just making that all upo [19:36]
ThickAsThieves up [19:36]
mircea_popescu then one day mp wants to pay a girl in boondock, nj to wash his car with her tits [19:36]
ThickAsThieves i can make up tiers of compromise too [19:37]
mircea_popescu and the tier 3 guy goes "you know... you reall don't need to escrow mp [19:37]
nubbins` haha [19:37]
nubbins` "statistically speaking..." [19:37]
mircea_popescu im not making it up in that this has in fact happened. [19:37]
nubbins` nod [19:37]
ThickAsThieves yes but it does not counter the inevitable [19:37]
nubbins` fun fact, the Salty Spitoon is a restaurant in the Spongebob Squarepants cartoon [19:37]
mircea_popescu what'd be the inevitable ThickAsThieves ? [19:38]
twizt ty nubbins` [19:38]
ThickAsThieves that trusts systems are compromised on some timescale [19:38]
nubbins` np [19:38]
twizt not knowing that really bothered me for the last few days ;) [19:38]
nubbins` :) [19:38]
ThickAsThieves and i dont mean the earth exploding [19:38]
nubbins` i'm here to enlighten and occasionally mislead [19:38]
mircea_popescu i jus' don't see how this follows. [19:38]
mircea_popescu go into detail. [19:38]
ThickAsThieves for example [19:38]
ThickAsThieves i buy a GPU in tier 1, i mine, [19:39]
ThickAsThieves I buy an Erupter farm in tier 2 [19:39]
mircea_popescu um [19:39]
nubbins` you can't be in both tiers [19:39]
mircea_popescu this doesn't seem to have anything to do with what i was saying [19:39]
nubbins` ^ [19:39]
ThickAsThieves my point is that parties will seek to exp.loit the trust system [19:39]
mircea_popescu not really. [19:40]
nubbins` i think this went off the rails when tat stated that bitcoin is a web of trust [19:40]
mircea_popescu do your beer mates try to trick you into paying for their beer ? [19:40]
ThickAsThieves no [19:40]
twizt sometimes [19:40]
mircea_popescu right. parft of the definition of even beeing your mates [19:40]
mircea_popescu if they do you ditch them and get better ones. [19:40]
mircea_popescu now, suppose i need to evaluate 10mn beer drinkers. [19:40]
mircea_popescu can i do this ? how ? [19:40]
twizt or trick them into buying your weed [19:40]
nubbins` ^ [19:40]
mircea_popescu simple : i ask all the people who know people who pay beer tabs. [19:40]
mircea_popescu 3 tiers. [19:40]
nubbins` twizt, nobody falls for that trick [19:40]
mircea_popescu this is how i find women, incidentally. i don't go into bars. [19:41]
mircea_popescu i just know girls that know girls that know girls. [19:41]
twizt its like barter [19:41]
twizt i got ur cheap beer [19:41]
twizt u get me expensive weed [19:41]
twizt (well atleast in USA) [19:41]
KRS- I saw two dancers french kissing yesterday it was nice. [19:41]
ThickAsThieves we are zoomed in to different parts of the 'wot' [19:41]
mircea_popescu seems so. [19:41]
ThickAsThieves i never said trust cant be develped [19:41]
ThickAsThieves nor that a wot cant be trusted [19:41]
nubbins` twizt, weed costs about the same to grow as tomatoes [19:41]
nubbins` plant-for-plant [19:41]
ThickAsThieves simply that over time, a trust system breaks down [19:41]
mircea_popescu it's more than trust, tho. it's about control. [19:42]
twizt wish i could grow yo [19:42]
ThickAsThieves and bitcoin is probly no different [19:42]
nubbins` consider that an ounce of weed should cost the same as a dozen hothouse tomatoes [19:42]
twizt my life would be 100x easier [19:42]
mircea_popescu what people in your wot say controls what you do. [19:42]
mircea_popescu which makes the wot a distributed political system [19:42]
mircea_popescu it's just that "distributed" does not mean one to many, as the nationalist representation of bork would have it. [19:42]
nubbins` a wot is not a static thing [19:42]
ThickAsThieves and what if we vote into power the wrong powers [19:42]
nubbins` i could trust someone fully today [19:42]
mircea_popescu it means few to one which groups in few to one which groups in few to one etc. [19:42]
nubbins` and then tomorrow he tries to strike my wife [19:43]
nubbins` now i don't trust him at all [19:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if YOU vote the wrong guy YOU are screwed. [19:43]
nubbins` and any wot in which we both exist has changed [19:43]
ThickAsThieves suppose bitfury has 66% of mining right now [19:43]
mircea_popescu this is kind-of the gist of the old mpoe-pr post re personal responsibility [19:43]
ThickAsThieves just in their back pocket [19:43]
mircea_popescu "if all idiots vote in the wot like it is a nationalistic election, you will get a wot that works like your fucking country" [19:44]
nubbins` i rate +3 the users i'm most likely to enjoy drinking a beer with" [19:44]
nubbins` feel free to add the missing " or remove the dangling one [19:45]
nubbins` tautology either way [19:45]
twizt sounds like a martingale to me [19:47]
ThickAsThieves another thing I have trouble with is how we can easily point out the problems with inflationary money, but when we discuss the problems with deflationary we stop at "well hopefully it calms down" [19:47]
twizt some people can be trust worthy 99% of the time, and the 1% of time they get sketchy [19:47]
mircea_popescu we do? [19:47]
twizt can out weigh the 99% of times they were 'good' [19:47]
ThickAsThieves last time it was a topic at least [19:47]
mircea_popescu this is not on my list. quote! [19:47]
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ThickAsThieves plz hold [19:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00092721 = 8.6685 BTC [-] [19:50]
nubbins` aha! paypal bucks sent, btc received [19:52]
* nubbins` dusts off hands [19:52]
nubbins` honestly thought it'd take longer [19:52]
deadweasel cool, now you can say you never rec'd and get your cash back! ;) [19:53]
nubbins` heheh [19:53]
nubbins` nah, this is a guy who i've traded casascius coins with before [19:53]
deadweasel glad he was trustworthy, twice! [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:10] we're kinda saying all spending of bitcoin is bad business, right? [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:10] yes [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:11] we're saying that the quick increase in the btc rate puts responsible, competent ceos in the position where they forego fiat deployments [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:11] this is a major problem for bitcoin atm. [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:11] atm, or forever? [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:11] no argument. which is why it's a problem. [19:54]
ThickAsThieves [18:11] ThickAsThieves hopefully it settles down. [19:54]
nubbins` me too [19:54]
nubbins` he sent first, even :0 [19:54]
deadweasel whoa [19:54]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: all spending of btc is not bad business. [19:54]
mircea_popescu but this is an interfacing problem, not a deflation problem [19:54]
mircea_popescu you'd have the same difficulties if you landed in zimbabwe with a trunk full of dollars : [19:55]
ThickAsThieves does the interfacing problem exist without deflation? [19:55]
mircea_popescu you can't "invest" in zimbabwe until their failrency settles down [19:55]
ThickAsThieves does deflation "settle"?> [19:55]
mircea_popescu there is no deflation caught in that discussion at all. [19:55]
ThickAsThieves what amount of settling is likely or required? [19:56]
mircea_popescu it's just the fiat bubble bursting. [19:56]
ThickAsThieves same result no? [19:56]
ThickAsThieves when fiat bubble is done, will we not continue to deflate? [19:56]
mircea_popescu in the sense jumping out of a plane and having a piano fall on you yield the same result. [19:56]
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mircea_popescu it's just that parachutes do little to protect you from falling objects. [19:57]
ThickAsThieves more like jumping off the earth vs out of a plan [19:57]
nubbins` it behooves one wealthy in btc to delay purchases/spending for as long as possible [19:57]
ThickAsThieves youll die from both [19:57]
mircea_popescu when the fiat bubble is gone we will actually deflate, but the effects of THAT are not judgeable by this. [19:57]
mircea_popescu besides, bitcoin is hugely inflationary. [19:57]
nubbins` but that's distinct from never spending at all [19:57]
ThickAsThieves but you wont land jumping off the earthj [19:57]
mircea_popescu much more so that fiat CLAIMS to be [19:57]
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mircea_popescu see there, para I [19:58]
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ThickAsThieves hmm [20:03]
ThickAsThieves do you believe the fiat bubble will actaully finish? [20:03]
mircea_popescu yeah. [20:03]
ThickAsThieves how long? [20:03]
mircea_popescu what am i, mafalda ? [20:03]
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ThickAsThieves hehe [20:03]
ThickAsThieves well it seems like it drag out pretty far [20:04]
mircea_popescu hmm apparently this doesn't convert to english [20:04]
mircea_popescu anyway, mafalda was a late 1800s famous seer [20:04]
ThickAsThieves when i search i just get cartoons [20:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 432 @ 0.00293973 = 1.27 BTC [+] {11} [20:05]
ThickAsThieves i assumed she could tell the future [20:05]
mircea_popescu [20:06]
mircea_popescu it's an actual historical person. [20:06]
nubbins` after skimming this article, i now understand [20:07]
nubbins` ;p [20:07]
ThickAsThieves i guess this conversation nullifies another question i had [20:07]
nubbins` you guys don't have paragraph breaks in romanian? [20:07]
ThickAsThieves during the recent NY panels, we do they only mention volatility, and never bitcoin's deflationary problems [20:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04979777 = 0.1992 BTC [+] [20:08]
ThickAsThieves why [20:08]
mircea_popescu because they read trilema. [20:08]
ThickAsThieves which i guess i should reform to, why do they not worry about hoarding [20:08]
ThickAsThieves answer is, cuz there's nothing they can do about it [20:08]
mircea_popescu why do you think hoarding would be a problem ? [20:09]
ThickAsThieves i guess [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00295299 = 0.3809 BTC [+] {3} [20:09]
ThickAsThieves wouldnt extreme hoarding cause more volatility? [20:09]
mircea_popescu let's do the following mental experiment. [20:09]
mircea_popescu suppose the original satoshi prototype only had 2.1mn total bitcoin, and original block reward was 5 btc. [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00295799 = 0.2662 BTC [+] {2} [20:10]
mircea_popescu what, if anything, do you think'd be different today ? [20:10]
ThickAsThieves core devs would add decimal places? :) [20:10]
mircea_popescu right. [20:10]
mircea_popescu now, imagine a different situation, in which 18.9 mn bitcoins have been hoarded. [20:11]
mircea_popescu why would things be different ? [20:11]
nubbins` s/hoarded/saved [20:11]
mircea_popescu strictly because those 18.9 mn coins COULD BE SPENT. but if they're spent... they're no longer hoarded. [20:11]
ThickAsThieves well it leaves potential for intense volatility [20:11]
mircea_popescu hoarding is self limiting. you either hoard or matter. [20:11]
mircea_popescu yes. it does. [20:11]
mircea_popescu guess what ? intense volatility hurts large holders most. [20:12]
mircea_popescu yet another point of elegant beauty typical of satoshi designs. [20:12]
asciilifeform that's sorta like saying that falling out of an airplane sans parachute isn't really so bad, i fell out of my bed as a boy once [20:12]
mircea_popescu definitely intelligent design at work here. [20:12]
ThickAsThieves heh [20:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which part you mean ? [20:12]
asciilifeform traditional argument - if enough of the hoard were dumped, one could see a catastrophic stampede [20:13]
mircea_popescu sure. [20:13]
mircea_popescu but it is in fact the people hoarding that have least interest to see this happen. [20:13]
ThickAsThieves then hoarding is just building a bubble [20:13]
mircea_popescu the incentives are correctly alligned, which is the absolute most you can say of any system [20:13]
asciilifeform well that would depend on who's hoarding and why [20:14]
mircea_popescu notrly. [20:14]
mircea_popescu money perverts. [20:14]
mircea_popescu you can go into it thinking anything you wish [20:14]
mircea_popescu you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to. [20:14]
asciilifeform 'nsa satoshi' hypothesis [20:14]
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ThickAsThieves or anarchist satoshi [20:14]
mircea_popescu this is me doing the ny jew hand gesture. [20:14]
ThickAsThieves hehe [20:14]
ThickAsThieves can't have trust as value without thinking everyone is out to get you! [20:16]
mircea_popescu and can't have sex as value without trying to hump vaguely calf-shaped electricity poles. [20:16]
mircea_popescu or perhaps... [20:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, take the nsa satoshi hypothesis. so the nsa spent 5mn making this thing, which we all embraced. as part of that expenditure it has premined 10mn BTC, which it kept, secretly. we don't know. [20:18]
mircea_popescu today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash" [20:19]
mircea_popescu "we don't have 10bn in the budget. application denied." [20:19]
jayk hohoho [20:19]
mircea_popescu bitcoin, even should it have made by nsa, has actually taken it over. [20:19]
mircea_popescu win. [20:19]
ThickAsThieves and for Anarcho Satoshi? [20:19]
jayk JP morgn wants to take it over [20:20]
jayk with their own version [20:20]
ThickAsThieves maybe i should make Satoshi was an Anarchist shirts, everyone will buy them thinking it's for the opposite reason [20:20]
mircea_popescu there's no way to ensure it won't be tat taking it over, with his own version. [20:20]
ThickAsThieves well thats obv [20:20]
mircea_popescu that's the problem here. bitcoin selects for and promotes some very narrow, specified things. [20:21]
mircea_popescu and it doesn't negotiate with terrorists. [20:21]
mircea_popescu for real, this time. [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [20:21]
mircea_popescu (generally, the old adage goes, careful what you claim for yourself, you might live to meet it) [20:21]
ThickAsThieves we just say, careful what you wish for [20:22]
ThickAsThieves (you just might get it) [20:22]
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ThickAsThieves didnt Namworld buy that bitcoin shirt company? [20:23]
mircea_popescu ya but i like mine better. [20:23]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if he'll do it for real [20:23]
jayk before the banks accept bitcoin, they are trying to start their own version, like jp morgan is doing [20:23]
ThickAsThieves i just dont buy that [20:23]
ThickAsThieves no corp will make a coin anytime soon [20:23]
ThickAsThieves theyd have to be horribly out of touch [20:24]
ThickAsThieves like OracleCoin [20:24]
ThickAsThieves or such [20:24]
ThickAsThieves pretty much only Google or the USG could do it [20:24]
Duffer1 you're talking about bankers here [20:25]
Duffer1 horribly out of touch is their slogan [20:25]
jurov amazon alluded to it (maybe unintentionally) [20:25]
mircea_popescu a bank could od a very respectable coin. [20:25]
ThickAsThieves they arent so out of touch that they would sell something no one would buy [20:25]
jurov but that wouldn't be bad step [20:25]
mircea_popescu problem is, it'd need diametric's hr. which they dont have. [20:26]
Duffer1 i fully expect jpmorgan or somesuch to ipo an alt coin then bet against it [20:26]
mircea_popescu lol [20:26]
ThickAsThieves no way [20:26]
jayk i expect someone like netflix to offer payments in bitcoin soon [20:26]
ThickAsThieves USG probly wont even let a bank make its own money [20:26]
Duffer1 sure they could do a respectable coin [20:27]
ThickAsThieves netflix wont accept btc in 2014 [20:27]
jayk publicity stunt [20:27]
ThickAsThieves nope [20:27]
jayk drive theit stock up [20:27]
jayk yes [20:27]
ThickAsThieves they have enough momentum without it [20:27]
ThickAsThieves they wouldnt wanna compromise [20:27]
jayk $$$ [20:27]
jayk it works [20:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it wouldn't have to be an us bank. [20:28]
mircea_popescu fun fact : at the time the amsterdam bank rose to prominence, the thing that propelled it was its marginality [20:28]
ThickAsThieves they likely learned their lesson about confusing their audience when they announced that new thing that never happened [20:28]
ThickAsThieves what was it [20:28]
mircea_popescu specifically, small countries had problems with their clipped/worn currency [20:28]
mircea_popescu in general, a small outlier could take over the entire world economy by doing something smart like this. [20:28]
jayk overstock has gone up $15 in 1year [20:28]
jayk they now accept bitcoin dont they [20:28]
ThickAsThieves lol [20:29]
ThickAsThieves that outlier would have to have some way to get trust and establish a blockchain [20:29]
ThickAsThieves like google putting its own into Android [20:30]
mircea_popescu no. like getting the ok of someone in the space with enough authortiy to ok it. [20:30]
mircea_popescu problem being, of course, the space is full of fakers, and otherwise insanely expensive. [20:30]
ThickAsThieves so what wot do they use? [20:31]
mircea_popescu one of those "pay through the nose or waste your money" sort of situations which institutions handle so poorly. [20:31]
jayk haha: [20:31]
jayk superbowl wifi password broadcasted on national tv [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23080 @ 0.00092721 = 21.4 BTC [-] [20:32]
ThickAsThieves oh yeah thats today huh [20:32]
Duffer1 wow.. [20:33]
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ThickAsThieves "Interesting fact: $1 million dollars weighs 10kg exactly" [20:36]
ThickAsThieves finally found a qay to quantify dollars! [20:36]
ThickAsThieves way* [20:36]
jayk i placed my first bitbet, mircea_popescu [20:36]
* jayk snickers [20:36]
mircea_popescu lol i wonder what on [20:36]
jayk snowden [20:37]
mircea_popescu a [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12428 @ 0.00092636 = 11.5128 BTC [-] {2} [20:37]
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nubbins` huh, [20:42]
ThickAsThieves dang [20:42]
mircea_popescu aww [20:42]
Mats_cd03 1mil or $10,099 [20:43]
mircea_popescu he was better in flawless. [20:43]
mircea_popescu wtf is capote. [20:43]
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ThickAsThieves why do celebs do heroine anyway? they spent all the other indulgences? [20:46]
benkay` "We won't be issuing another series for a while, nor will we be making further attempts to support seemingly "worthy" or "credible" "financiers" for a while, mostly because we're running out of quotes." [20:46]
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mircea_popescu waithat ?! [20:46]
ThickAsThieves [20:47]
benkay` old gold is all [20:48]
ThickAsThieves when will mpex buy Ukyo & Graet debt? [20:48]
benkay` quick on the trigger you are today, ThickAsThieves [20:48]
mircea_popescu lol 2012 [20:48]
mircea_popescu can't believe that chick's been building the snark since two years ago, and yet last month's noobs still "ambush" her [20:49]
jurov [20:49]
jurov for anyone who did not follow it very closely [20:50]
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mircea_popescu Feb 01 16:41:24 getting my hands on the source will be Altcoin's "2 weeks" << did you ? [20:51]
ThickAsThieves still waiting [20:52]
benkay` mircea_popescu: i don't see the hash options on your list of closed mpex assets [20:52]
benkay` & [20:52]
benkay` drop the footnote link etc [20:53]
mircea_popescu becayuse theyre still on neh ? [20:53]
nubbins` TheTrueHOOHA is actually a better name than DPR [20:53]
mircea_popescu $vwap X.IDIFF.JUN [20:53]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [20:53]
mircea_popescu lol [20:53]
mircea_popescu well, they are. [20:53]
blg HOOHA sounds very sexual [20:54]
nubbins` [20:54]
nubbins` looks very sexual too [20:54]
benkay` what, you tryna tell me an option to buy hashes is a future diff? [20:54]
blg nubbins`: lol [20:54]
benkay` (diff future i mean) [20:54]
benkay` i'm really just being a pedant here [20:55]
jurov benkay` id right, it was distinct from today's futures [20:55]
jurov *is [20:55]
mircea_popescu jesus yeah, there was a distinct set that died horribly. ie, with the mm taking it up the ass. [20:56]
benkay` just from the pedants perspective that asset series closed [20:56]
mircea_popescu see, you're adding value already. [20:56]
mircea_popescu now go make a post. [20:57]
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benkay` when did that series close? [20:57]
mircea_popescu i don't remember. [20:57]
jurov try [20:57]
nubbins` ` is so trendy these days [20:57]
mircea_popescu (dude this is so cool, i'ma do a series of i don't remember / i don't recall and be just like a real banker nao!) [20:58]
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nubbins` jurov wins, benkay, you're out [20:58]
mircea_popescu benkay seriously tho, im pretty sure it was in a mpoe report. prolly died summer 2013 ? [20:58]
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benkay this is the point at which i decide to archive all mpoe reports [20:58]
nubbins` but if you do that, what are you gonna spend your credits on? [20:59]
benkay learning romanian duh [21:00]
nubbins` lel [21:00]
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nubbins` makes about as much sense as learning spanish just to read cien años de soledad, i guess [21:01]
```` doesn't copying content from trilema need consent written by a sharpie which is then put into the ass? [21:01]
mircea_popescu more sense than learning spanish to talk to the maid. [21:01]
benkay french is next on the docket [21:01]
mircea_popescu ```` as long as he doesn't distribute it... [21:02]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, i actually met someone who was doing that once [21:02]
nubbins` (for the book, not the maid) [21:02]
mircea_popescu i met both [21:02]
mircea_popescu my mother learned greek to read kavafis [21:02]
nubbins` TBH even in english it's beautiful, beautiful prose [21:02]
nubbins` i can't even imagine what it's like in the original language [21:02]
benkay the answer is August 2012, for those who care. [21:03]
benkay [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093231 = 5.0345 BTC [+] [21:04]
mircea_popescu so summer indeed. wrong year, but hey. [21:05]
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ThickAsThieves me: "How is it 2pm already?"" [21:07]
ThickAsThieves wife: "You are a furry mess." [21:07]
mircea_popescu now rant at her about high finance [21:09]
mircea_popescu as if that makes it ok "no but honey til!" [21:09]
ThickAsThieves "Yeah well your dollars are turning into dust!" [21:09]
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mircea_popescu basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus. [21:24]
mircea_popescu most nobody even noticed, or cared. except for the finest tuned of watchdogs or w/e [21:24]
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benkay attacked? [21:28]
mircea_popescu well yes. [21:28]
mircea_popescu "There are more transactions of the cryptocurrency than Bitcoin, although it is only worth a tiny fraction of Bitcoin." [21:28]
mircea_popescu [21:28]
mircea_popescu it's quite clear if you do aggregate counting. [21:28]
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mircea_popescu they are attacking bitcoin. perhaps in the manner an ant attacks a rhino, but nevertheless. as far as the ant is concerned, in its own system of representations, that's what's going on. [21:29]
mircea_popescu [21:29]
benkay entertaining and all but from the ants perspective how is what they're doing an attack? [21:30]
mircea_popescu ant will kill rhino, skin it, wear the skin as king of the jungle. [21:30]
benkay like 'i am startup and will rule all the buttcorns'? [21:31]
mircea_popescu because if you get more fuckwits to retweet your inane shit you will thus therefore be "bigger" and "more important" than people with fewer retweets. [21:31]
mircea_popescu it's web start-up brain rot, quite typical. [21:31]
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mircea_popescu in principle, every circlejerk imagines itself "the only thing out there". like, the us thinks it's "the world". any us court thinks it has universal jurisdiction. any us politician thinks that his decisions matter universally. [21:32]
mircea_popescu the va circus, as hopelessly fucked as they are, imagine that "all entrepreneurship" is... well... them. [21:32]
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mircea_popescu that they will be crushed by much larger things that exist independent of their knowledge or understanding is about as aliento them as mpex customers to jimmothey [21:33]
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mircea_popescu so basically what we have here, is "everyone" in the sense of "everyone that goes to tech conferences in SF and reads techcrunch religiously" figures they can take over this novel idea. [21:33]
```` i can vaguely recall some very negative sentiment on ycombinator and else [21:34]
mircea_popescu ;;google ycombinator jointly and severally [21:34]
gribble Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; Series AA Stock Purchase Agreement - Y Combinator: ; European reforms are not enough, joint liability needed: [21:34]
```` then the silicon valley bank deal came (which ended nowhere) [21:34]
mircea_popescu there you go. [21:34]
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benkay well sv bank can hardly be thought of as a high finance operation [21:34]
benkay they do payroll and what have you [21:34]
mircea_popescu anyway. an attack it is. [21:35]
mircea_popescu ironically, while the correct move may seem to be to support ltc to crush them back into the swamp, [21:35]
mircea_popescu the actual correct move is to simply support other alternatives to burn their underbase. [21:35]
mircea_popescu you want them to eat ltc's lunch to some degree, much like you want about 50 other groups to start their own, doge-food eating bitcoin killers. [21:36]
mircea_popescu so you know... ATC/ALT getting more hash than doge serves a good purpose in the end. [21:36]
mircea_popescu (funny how nobody seems to have noticed that, too :p) [21:36]
ThickAsThieves so what you're saying is Altcoin really is the first altcoin with a purpose [21:37]
mircea_popescu hehe. myeah. [21:37]
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```` woooo what a plot [21:37]
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jayk a [21:38]
jayk :| [21:38]
mircea_popescu You see dear Internet, Juraj Variny was a simple country boy... you might say a cockeyed optimist, who got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue. [21:38]
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jurov better go back to milk goats [21:40]
benkay goat tits [21:40]
mircea_popescu you can never go back. [21:40]
jayk goat milk is will keep you alive for weeks [21:40]
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jayk -is [21:41]
jurov only for weeks? afaik it's retty complete nutrition [21:41]
jurov *pretty :) [21:41]
jayk you might get sick of it and prefer to die [21:41]
mircea_popescu needs some slibowitz [21:41]
jurov ^^ [21:41]
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jayk ovaltine [21:42]
KRS- Mmm plum brandy? [21:42]
KRS- Humans are the only animal who natually drink another animal's milk. [21:42]
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KRS- Although cats enjoy milk from cows, its not like they would get it in the wild. [21:43]
mircea_popescu cats do too if they can get it. [21:43]
jayk my cat is afraid of ducks [21:43]
jurov no duck milk for her, then. [21:44]
benkay cats are filthy scavenging vermin [21:44]
jayk lol [21:44]
benkay undomesticated to boot [21:44]
ThickAsThieves blasphemy [21:44]
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benkay get thee hence [21:44]
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jurov *#b-assets erupts into riots caused by unkind remark about cats* [21:45]
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benkay listen i expect my dependents to honor my every desire and worship at my feet [21:46]
benkay women are hard enough to domesticate [21:46]
benkay cats are impossible [21:46]
ThickAsThieves for example? [21:47]
mircea_popescu srsly, cats aren't that bad. [21:47]
mircea_popescu much like women, they autodomesticate if you're cool. [21:47]
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benkay oh you [21:47]
mircea_popescu you may occasionally have to throw one out the window into traffic, but w/e [21:47]
mircea_popescu what's it cost, 200 bux tops. [21:48]
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ThickAsThieves pretty much if you get a cat while its impressionable, make a good impression, it is a great pet [21:48]
ThickAsThieves sometimes you get crazy ones [21:48]
chipug same with women [21:48]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [21:48]
mircea_popescu most mistreated cats will actually also come to sanity [21:48]
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ThickAsThieves maybe, but those are also void of personality [21:49]
mircea_popescu they're not that stupid to not be able to tell the difference, just need some time to decompress [21:49]
mircea_popescu nah, not rly. [21:49]
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benkay perhaps its that i live in america where men don't know how to handle women or cats and so all cats i encounter are of the 'let me out now let me in now let me piss on your rug' variety [21:50]
ThickAsThieves the only cat I have problems with is the wanna-be alpha that keeps attacking the smallest female [21:50]
punkman cats are assholes [21:50]
mircea_popescu benkay so take a kitten and raise it separately. [21:51]
mircea_popescu pankkake [21:51]
ThickAsThieves well thats your first problem benkay [21:51]
ThickAsThieves dont let cats outside [21:51]
benkay i am not maintaining a shitbox. [21:51]
ThickAsThieves get a maid [21:52]
benkay i am not paying someone to maintain a shitbox in my residence. [21:52]
ThickAsThieves you cant both have time for the finer things AND do everything yourseldf [21:52]
benkay i am not having fucking absorbent chemically impregnated who knows the fuck what scattered all about my living space [21:52]
benkay finer things, in my case, are dogs. [21:53]
ThickAsThieves like those dont stink or need to go outside? [21:53]
benkay works with my personal proclivities marginally better [21:53]
benkay you know, like going outside [21:53]
benkay all living things stink [21:54]
Bones I'm a dog man myself, but benkay you still have a yard full of shit. Now what? [21:54]
ThickAsThieves all dead things stink too [21:54]
benkay i personally walk my dog [21:54]
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benkay why on earth would i have a yard!? [21:54]
benkay or a house!? [21:54]
benkay sounds like a great deal of overhead. [21:54]
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mircea_popescu [21:55]
Bones So you would rather pick up shit than clear a shitbox. To each their own I suppose? [21:55]
ThickAsThieves lol, sounds like a joke [21:55]
ThickAsThieves I don't want a house, too much over head [21:55]
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benkay Bones: did you miss the part where the shit is in your living space in one of those scenarios? or does that not matter to you? [21:55]
mircea_popescu he lives on a hilltop. [21:55]
mircea_popescu benkay i got news for you. the stuff that makes beer good ? it's shit, man. little craps taking a doodoo in your drink. [21:56]
benkay oh its chemistry o'clock nao [21:56]
mircea_popescu bread chiefly consists of other species' farts. [21:56]
jurov and fish piss into drinking water [21:57]
ThickAsThieves what is the proper daily dose of cat shit? [21:57]
mircea_popescu #bitcoin-assets grossout party ftw. [21:57]
benkay is this an elegant demonstration of the modern practice of saying things are other things cause words and derp? [21:57]
mircea_popescu we;re like preteen girlies over here. [21:57]
Bones lolpoop [21:58]
benkay look i farted - now you have my poo particles in your mouth [21:58]
ThickAsThieves benkay, we're just making you pay the price of hating on the world's most loved animal [21:58]
benkay what, women? [21:58]
mircea_popescu he hated on anteaters ?! [21:58]
ThickAsThieves ... [21:58]
ThickAsThieves this is serious business ladies! [21:59]
mircea_popescu ok Chickasschivas. [21:59]
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mircea_popescu << speaking of kitty training [22:01]
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benkay i like the little recoil and pouty face [22:02]
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benkay goat hiding his tracks [22:05]
mircea_popescu doh. [22:05]
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benkay not terribly effectively though [22:06]
mircea_popescu the thing with goat is that he's pretty much azn [22:08]
mircea_popescu he does a superficial 1st take of anything and leaves it at that. [22:09]
mircea_popescu other than that he;s just persistent. pretty much his whole strat. [22:09]
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benkay not a terribly bad strategy so long as he allocates correctly on his +ev options [22:11]
mircea_popescu it takes a particular sort of scum to actually apply it tho. [22:11]
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mircea_popescu more adequate to whoring out anyway. i guess as an older guy he can't enjoy that where he is, so what's one to do. [22:12]
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ThickAsThieves question, if i take the source from a different coingen package, is that not the same thing as what i need [22:19]
ThickAsThieves since we need to reverese engineer from genesis block anyway [22:19]
benkay aw man [22:19]
benkay the -assets altcoin doesn't have source in the wild. that's hilarious. [22:20]
ThickAsThieves well it was a whim [22:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what is the problem there anyway [22:20]
ThickAsThieves my guess, it's the weekend [22:20]
benkay "a thing worth doing is worth doing well" [22:20]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:20]
mircea_popescu you never know when your whim coallesces into a schelling point. [22:20]
ThickAsThieves kill all the whimsy! [22:21]
benkay life is dead serious [22:21]
benkay be serious or be dead [22:21]
mircea_popescu this is why satoshi ran off [22:21]
ThickAsThieves heh [22:21]
mircea_popescu he couldn't cope with responsibilities of fatherhood. [22:21]
mircea_popescu deadbeatdadscoin [22:21]
ThickAsThieves smart man [22:21]
mircea_popescu ^ think about it. the coin to pay all alinomy in. utterly worthless coin everyone loves [22:22]
mircea_popescu FOR THAT REASON [22:22]
ThickAsThieves it is interesting though, how much work it really takes these days to promote a coin [22:22]
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mircea_popescu [22:23]
mircea_popescu i wonder if she just killed yet another thread or else we get epic butthurt [22:24]
ThickAsThieves but back to my orginal question [22:24]
ThickAsThieves if i get other coingen'd source [22:24]
ThickAsThieves can we work from it? [22:24]
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ThickAsThieves i assume itd need to be a SHA256 coin [22:24]
mircea_popescu possibly. you'll need the original block details tho [22:25]
mircea_popescu which you should be able to have a miner dump [22:25]
ThickAsThieves pankakke mined it [22:25]
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mircea_popescu then i have no doubt pankake can do by hand whatever's done automatically by coingen. [22:25]
mircea_popescu which... sucks for him. [22:25]
ThickAsThieves why? [22:25]
pankkake from what I see with bernankoin, all the details of the genesis block are in block 0 too [22:25]
ThickAsThieves i'll pay [22:25]
mircea_popescu why, cause it's work. [22:26]
pankkake it's annoying, lol [22:26]
ThickAsThieves so annoying you wouldnt do it? [22:26]
mircea_popescu pankkake you want to make a better ? [22:26]
pankkake making that thing work was half my "development" time [22:26]
mircea_popescu with incorporated market (so all your new coins can be INSTA traded for al lothers ?) [22:26]
mircea_popescu that may actually be a revenu driver. [22:26]
pankkake maybe, not sure if it's worth the time [22:27]
ThickAsThieves insta pools, etc [22:27]
mircea_popescu hard to guess, maybe a few bitcoins a month. [22:27]
pankkake yes, it has to provide exchange [22:27]
ThickAsThieves likely what the new owners of coingenio plan to do... [22:27]
mircea_popescu you can definitely sink the coingen thing, from what my research shows bluematt sold it to an idiot. [22:27]
mircea_popescu and you can blow cryptsy right out of the water, because in is wholly manned by idiots [22:28]
ThickAsThieves mp if you put money into such i thing i will too [22:28]
mircea_popescu (check out their hiring page sometime for lulz) [22:28]
ThickAsThieves who was it that had the exchange [22:29]
ThickAsThieves maybe we start with that [22:29]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic ? [22:29]
ThickAsThieves bt-x or something [22:29]
ThickAsThieves yeah [22:29]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic baby, can you code ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu the beauty of #bitcoin-assets. businesses just fall in your lap all the time [22:29]
mircea_popescu to the degree one can't humanly cope. [22:30]
pankkake yeah :| [22:30]
mircea_popescu and also, benkay, you doing anything other than blogging and fucking your cat these days ? [22:30]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:30]
mircea_popescu cause a CLOJURE driven altcoin maker + exchange would be so fucking cool [22:30]
benkay dealing with the ungodly long enterprise sales cycle is all [22:30]
benkay oh god stop [22:30]
mircea_popescu nosrsly. [22:30]
mircea_popescu read the log [22:31]
benkay oh i have [22:31]
benkay let's do it in clojure you guys [22:31]
benkay someone knock together a reasonable ownership structure [22:31]
pankkake altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool [22:32]
pankkake set up an api for middlecoin [22:32]
mircea_popescu benkay you just put in all the work, then we list x% on mpex and people can invest. [22:32]
mircea_popescu let the market sort out the ownership structure. [22:32]
ThickAsThieves later we partner with fiverr for logo designers [22:32]
benkay i hate working for free [22:33]
blg 99designs is good too [22:33]
benkay HATE [22:33]
ThickAsThieves he maybe we need to make a bitcoin fiverr too [22:33]
mircea_popescu a that's a point. [22:33]
mircea_popescu well, how much do you want to be paid to altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool ? [22:33]
pankkake altcoin singularity [22:33]
blg 1000 btc [22:33]
benkay that's a great big fuck off pile of work [22:34]
benkay ;;calc 1000*800 [22:34]
gribble 800000 [22:34]
mircea_popescu blg what do you think this is, testnet btc ? [22:35]
blg 15:33 < mircea_popescu> well, how much do you want to be paid to altcoin creator + exchange + seed nodes + pool ? [22:35]
blg i was answering that question [22:35]
ThickAsThieves he was too [22:35]
blg then i dont get the reference [22:35]
blg sorry [22:35]
ThickAsThieves he's saying will you be paid in monopoly btc? [22:35]
blg oh lol [22:36]
ThickAsThieves cmon it really cant cost $1m to make such thing [22:36]
blg i have no problems turning monopoly in to real [22:36]
ThickAsThieves just buy the existing pieces [22:36]
ThickAsThieves :) [22:36]
blg well you have to buy a good programmer for the alt coin [22:36]
benkay ahaha [22:37]
benkay ho [22:37]
pankkake lol [22:37]
ThickAsThieves blg you misunderstand [22:37]
benkay tee hee [22:37]
blg i didnt read the scrollback at all once again i apologize [22:37]
pankkake the cost would be mostly having to run each coin daemon/pool [22:37]
pankkake otherwise, everything is automated [22:38]
pankkake well I don't know how to automate the windows build [22:38]
benkay yeah we skip windows build [22:38]
mircea_popescu automate the windows build IN CLOJURE [22:38]
benkay no. [22:38]
mircea_popescu come on, if this isn't sexy i dunno what is. [22:38]
pankkake no people are mad if there is no windows [22:38]
benkay really? [22:38]
mircea_popescu must has windows. this is altscams here. [22:38]
mircea_popescu nobody even knows what linux is in that subforum [22:38]
pankkake yes. first posts of bernankoin :( [22:39]
Duffer1 the world isn't ready for MP coin ^.^ [22:39]
ThickAsThieves help us centralize decentralization [22:39]
Duffer1 still rely on windows deployment for mass adoption [22:39]
mircea_popescu coelho has warped ThickAsThieves' brain to the degree i don't know when he's paraquoting anymore. [22:39]
benkay windows over os x? [22:39]
mircea_popescu you kidding ? [22:39]
mircea_popescu you can't buy osx ready systems on food stamps. [22:40]
benkay no i have no idea about altcoin mkt [22:40]
benkay oh i see welfarecoin [22:40]
benkay (s) [22:40]
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pankkake what's next, KentuckyFriedCoin? [22:41]
ThickAsThieves maybe with contract with USG for UScoin [22:41]
ThickAsThieves we [22:41]
benkay okay so concerns [22:41]
benkay i don't want to run this [22:41]
lippoper we should make a pizzacoin [22:42]
benkay more than happy to set up servers etc but it must be actually run by not me [22:42]
ThickAsThieves well it should run wherever whomever knows best thinks it should [22:43]
benkay location is another concern i want delegated to capitalizers of operation [22:43]
mircea_popescu what's "location" ? [22:43]
ThickAsThieves of servers [22:43]
benkay well there's an altcoin market involved right? [22:43]
mircea_popescu if he doesn't run it how exactly could he establish location [22:44]
mircea_popescu benkay altcoin-to-coin stricjtly. [22:44]
mircea_popescu we don't encourage the use of scamfiat. [22:44]
benkay ofc [22:44]
benkay so needs dedi [22:44]
mircea_popescu definitely. [22:44]
blg mircea_popescu: i'm PM'ing you if that's ok [22:44]
mircea_popescu you'll be herp-ddos'd all the time too. needs a decent dedi. [22:44]
mircea_popescu go ahead [22:45]
benkay colo with mpex? [22:45]
mircea_popescu then again this could easily live in the cloud. [22:45]
mircea_popescu prolly better that way as you'll have inelastic loads lal the time [22:45]
benkay no way are you suggesting putting wallets on virtual instances [22:46]
mircea_popescu why not / [22:46]
jurov benkay: no way you are suggesting putting wallets on frontend webserver [22:46]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:46]
benkay right [22:46]
benkay oh well sure web heads are virtualized [22:47]
mircea_popescu so they'r evirtual. what of it ? so are you. backup well, be happy. [22:47]
jurov and amazon does offer persistent storage since 2 years ago or so [22:47]
benkay talking about different things here [22:48]
mircea_popescu jurov you wanna host this ? [22:48]
benkay i'm talking about linode-style virtualization compromises of wallets [22:48]
mircea_popescu benkay no because they can't read CLOJURE [22:48]
jurov and i'm asking why does one need zero-latency wallet access [22:49]
benkay one doesn't, jurov [22:49]
jurov it can happily live 50ms away [22:49]
benkay mp stoppit [22:49]
mircea_popescu what, are you trying to put a CLOJURE on my expression ? [22:49]
benkay ermergerhd [22:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.003 = 0.201 BTC [+] [22:49]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:49]
benkay playing my biases so obviously just puts my hackles up [22:50]
mircea_popescu no, this is a legitimate business angle. [22:50]
mircea_popescu we'll just os the entire thing. [22:50]
mircea_popescu get a buncha fucktarded kids try to learn clojure to make their own market thing. [22:50]
mircea_popescu epic. [22:50]
benkay well, it's just lisp so they shouldn't have too hard of a time [22:51]
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mircea_popescu so you think. [22:51]
mircea_popescu windows lips compiler ? [22:51]
benkay agqreiuhglerjbgaksdljbfsd [22:51]
mircea_popescu preferably as a python module ? [22:51]
asciilifeform obligatory turd! [22:51]
mircea_popescu can you compile lisp in python run on linux via cygwin ? [22:51]
asciilifeform (how many people keep a flame war strong for ~5 yrs) [22:51]
mircea_popescu (provided of course you use ALL CAPS in the code) [22:51]
benkay mircea_popescu: [22:52]
jurov only with javascript and node emulation layer [22:52]
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mircea_popescu jurov you mean they could get this in phpmyadmin ? [22:52]
asciilifeform write it in INTERCAL. [22:52]
mircea_popescu cause that'd help, they know phpmyadmin [22:52]
jurov implemented in haskell [22:52]
mircea_popescu but all the fun aside, srsly, a foss clojure implementation of this would actually be a great thing. [22:53]
benkay so: dev priorities then [22:53]
Namworld What the heck is this you are all talking about? Some retarted process that equals job security because you're then the only one able to update and maintain the business apps and software? [22:53]
benkay coingen, exchange, poolgen? [22:54]
mircea_popescu Namworld im trying to give the kid a breadloaf and he;'s trying to price himself out of it. [22:54]
mircea_popescu like all business ever. [22:54]
benkay exchange, coingen, poolgen? [22:54]
mircea_popescu benkay all 4 are needed out of the gate. [22:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, from what i read of lisp it is very productive and should be easy if you know what you're doing so like 500 lines of code. [22:55]
benkay what's number 4? [22:55]
mircea_popescu seeds [22:55]
Jere_Jones lol [22:55]
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benkay ah seeds [22:55]
Jere_Jones "Just a couple of if statements" [22:55]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones i know bunches of ppl who freelance, right ? "plz build me a better brain. should be easy if you know what you're doing'. 90% of all projects. [22:56]
asciilifeform intercal, i tell ya. what other language has a 'come from' statement. [22:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform basic read backwards ? [22:56]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu: I'm in process of writting an exchange and the devil is in the details. Anyway, that was a joke from a manager that I used to have where everything was simple and just needed a "couple of if statements". [22:57]
KRS- Oh cool, another coin. [22:58]
KRS- [22:58]
mircea_popescu another coin, another dolla. [22:58]
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KRS- Other currencies, like Bitcoin, use dumb hard coded ‘mining’ processes that produces coins at a fixed rate that can’t change. [22:59]
pankkake oh god another DAC. where is the code, how is it supposed to work, stfu [22:59]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [22:59]
ThickAsThieves the longer we take to get to the altcoin singularity, the less bitcoins we can make off it [22:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2425 @ 0.00011977 = 0.2904 BTC [+] [23:00]
jurov all this ruckus.. just use some mature language supported by IDE with proper visual debugger [23:00]
mircea_popescu and meanwhile, i invite you all to a sing-along! [23:00]
mircea_popescu [23:00]
jurov does clojure has it? [23:00]
mircea_popescu yes actually [23:00]
KRS- This is really odd. [23:00]
jurov php does not to this day (except some commercial ones) [23:00]
pankkake IDEs? visual debuggers? real men don't use that [23:00]
jayk mircea_popescu: how many companies do you have active [23:00]
jurov we are not talking about real men [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011978 = 0.5989 BTC [+] [23:01]
pankkake next you're going to tell me you use a MOUSE [23:01]
mircea_popescu jayk a number thereof. i need an accountant for an exact count. why ? [23:01]
jayk curious i know of mpex and bitbet [23:01]
mircea_popescu a public btc corps, 4 [23:01]
KRS- ThickAsThieves can you describe the altcoin singularity? I'm not sure what to make of all this coin sillyness. [23:01]
jayk oic [23:01]
jurov pankkake you use coinbr in lynx? [23:01]
jayk i signed up for mpex i will study it later [23:01]
pankkake I use pentadactyl [23:01]
mircea_popescu not any rush [23:01]
ThickAsThieves i dont think i wanna subject this channel to me describing it [23:01]
KRS- link? [23:02]
benkay jurov: it's called emacs [23:02]
mircea_popescu fuck i lost my drink [23:02]
mircea_popescu what is this world coming to. [23:02]
jayk oh [23:02]
jayk i dont drink [23:02]
mircea_popescu well now neither do i. [23:02]
jayk hah [23:02]
jayk superbowl time [23:02]
jayk bbl [23:02]
pankkake altcoin singularity = you only need to input parameters, exchange, pool comes online, middlecoin mines it and sells it [23:02]
mircea_popescu and sends you a report of how much profit it made. [23:03]
mircea_popescu and an animated gif of the champagne. [23:03]
mircea_popescu it's all very virtual. [23:03]
benkay has anyone here built an altcoin from source? [23:03]
jurov benkay i'm visual person and do bes with actual shapes, not just screenful of text [23:03]
KRS- an easier way to get BTC because of the inflated value? [23:03]
jayk benkay: i have a link for you [23:03]
jayk if you want to [23:03]
mircea_popescu benkay iirc pankkake has. [23:03]
jayk [23:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2425 @ 0.000119 = 0.2886 BTC [-] [23:04]
jayk or there is a free verison but it might give yoau headache [23:04]
mircea_popescu omg ppls read the log. [23:04]
benkay free version of coingen? [23:04]
benkay can't say as i know what you're going on about. [23:04]
jayk i think he charges .05? [23:04]
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jayk oh ok nvm [23:04]
benkay go watch your sportsball. [23:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22778 @ 0.00093295 = 21.2507 BTC [+] {2} [23:05]
jayk [23:05]
benkay asciilifeform: it's a turd, but it ain't java. [23:05]
ThickAsThieves ;;ud singularity [23:06]
gribble | singularity. A point in time at which, theoretically, technological progress accelerates exponentially, such that nothing taking place follwing said point can be ... [23:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00093379 = 2.8219 BTC [+] [23:06]
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ThickAsThieves predicted [23:06]
mircea_popescu jayk KRS- [23:06]
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ThickAsThieves tonight, we dine on lunch! [23:07]
KRS- Thanks mircea_popescu [23:07]
jayk oh [23:08]
benkay going afk for a bit gents [23:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.099 = 0.594 BTC [+] [23:09]
jayk you dont like that [23:09]
jayk guy [23:09]
benkay also mircea_popescu save me from myself and help me not price myself out [23:09]
ThickAsThieves thats easy [23:10]
ThickAsThieves just say what it really costs [23:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1185 = 0.237 BTC [+] [23:10]
benkay requires knowing how long it really takes [23:10]
ThickAsThieves or estimation thereof [23:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC [23:11]
nubbins` ^ [23:11]
pankkake I seems like an awful lot [23:12]
pankkake many different things [23:12]
benkay such moving parts [23:12]
ThickAsThieves it's a whole business really [23:12]
ThickAsThieves not just a dev project [23:12]
benkay 's why i keep saying stop saying clojure to mp [23:13]
mircea_popescu it is a lot of work, yes. that's part of why it's worth doing, it always pays to sink your teeth in and do a fundamental bit well than try and chew a little off the edges. [23:13]
ThickAsThieves needs ongoing work too [23:13]
benkay how is the relationship with kakobrekla set up for ongoing work on bitbet? [23:13]
pankkake writing the exchange can be fun. the rest… eh [23:14]
mircea_popescu he got half the equity. [23:14]
benkay so he's incentivized to ship more to improve his profits [23:14]
mircea_popescu he's incentivised to have the thing running smoothly., which it has been. [23:14]
benkay i actually think setting up build servers would be fun [23:14]
mircea_popescu and that too was a lot of work, even if not necessarily obvious immediately. [23:15]
benkay uptime's a thing, yes [23:16]
benkay back in a few [23:16]
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turbo_ac100 Weren't all No bets on 'BitBet haxxed in 2013' supposed to be refunded and not paid out? [23:20]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 yeah. [23:20]
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dub uptime is 13 years, 31 weeks, 3 days, 20 hours, 29 minutes [23:20]
mircea_popescu dub your c0k ? [23:20]
* dub does things [23:20]
jayk did kakobrekla make the appl mistake? [23:20]
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turbo_ac100 But the were paid. Gift from kakobrekla I suppose. Thanks. [23:21]
mircea_popescu dub but srsly, you wanna host things ? [23:21]
dub fuck no [23:21]
nubbins` heh [23:21]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 make sure to make a thread about how bitbet's been scamming users tho. [23:21]
dub I just draw pictures, actual work is for monkeys [23:22]
nubbins` heh, ^ [23:22]
mircea_popescu the paradox of honestly : idiots fucking up will amply report how it's all your fault. when you fuck up and you cover it... well... nobody really wants to mention it, cause w/e, kinda embarassing. [23:22]
dub what needs hosting? [23:22]
mircea_popescu the future of stupidity! [23:23]
turbo_ac100 kakobrekla is scamming himself; not enough troll food in that one, sadly [23:23]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 exactly. [23:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC [23:24]
nubbins` "Listings for virtual currency are not permitted on the site and this category will be removed on February 10, 2014. You may continue to list these items on the site in the Coins & Paper Money>Virtual Currency category in the Classified Ad format only." [23:27]
dub wat [23:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00082017 = 0.8202 BTC [+] {5} [23:29]
ThickAsThieves you wanna sell this garbage, go to america! [23:29]
dub I thought was adding virtual currency category onfeb 10 [23:29]
mircea_popescu it's all very complicated. [23:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6500 @ 0.00011978 = 0.7786 BTC [+] [23:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093192 = 8.3407 BTC [-] [23:40]
jurov bitstamp got hdd failure? [23:41]
jurov or what? [23:41]
jurov or they ran out of power in slovenia? [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00093379 = 16.8549 BTC [+] [23:42]
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mircea_popescu apparently slovenia has an issue [23:44]
herbijudlestoids mornin [23:44]
mircea_popescu kako ran out of juice earlier [23:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04800011 = 0.336 BTC [-] [23:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18551 @ 0.00093102 = 17.2714 BTC [-] {2} [23:45]
mircea_popescu << guess the chick. [23:46]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i hadnt really planned to make it into a blog post, but duffer1 asked if i had and i thought maybe it might be interesting to see what happens if i put it in a blog post :P ...whats wrong with blogspot? [23:46]
mircea_popescu it sucks omg! [23:47]
mircea_popescu seriously, get a blog you control. [23:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.169 BTC [-] [23:47]
herbijudlestoids very specific of you :P [23:47]
mircea_popescu you don't want some random idiots with a "here's a link to our other stuff" on your page, [23:48]
mircea_popescu you don't want to be stuck if you want to move domains, [23:48]
mircea_popescu you don't want anyone deciding if and when to put a "warning page" on your material, [23:48]
mircea_popescu you don't want them filtering your comments, or generally, [23:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC [23:48]
mircea_popescu you don't want to help google in any way whatsoever unless it's paying for it. [23:48]
mircea_popescu do your own things. [23:49]
herbijudlestoids i think im ok with most of those things, and i feel like as long as there is no ads on the site then its probably costing google more than they are making off me in analytics [23:50]
mircea_popescu i'm never going to comment on it, for instance. [23:51]
herbijudlestoids im sure in the cases where iv said something stupid enough to warrant your comment, ill hear about it from gribble anyway :P [23:51]
mircea_popescu entirely possible. [23:51]
mircea_popescu all hitler needs is for ordinary people to keep using google. [23:52]
punkman we need Mircea Popescu's Search Engine [23:52]
mircea_popescu nah, let them do that. [23:53]
jayk [23:53]
mircea_popescu just don't help them do other things. buy ford cars, don't buy ford umbrellas. [23:53]
punkman the Android AIDS is spreading pretty fast [23:55]
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jayk android aids? [23:56]
herbijudlestoids so basically i gotta go and setup fkn wordpress and buy a domain just to write some blogs i didnt originally intend to write lol [23:58]
herbijudlestoids yea i think ill pass [23:58]
punkman herbijudlestoids: [23:59]
punkman you can just pastebin it [23:59]
punkman beats blogspot [23:59]
mircea_popescu pretty much anything beats blogspot. [23:59]
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mircea_popescu pankkake see, there's the usercase [23:59]
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