Forum logs for 31 Mar 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: (generally "original greek" refers to the septuagint, ie, the result of an effort that actually predates and likely likely caused christ, to translate the hebrew texts into greek. it was a committee affair sponsored by the ptolemaic autarchy in power in egypt.) [00:00]
mircea_popescu: but this text was set aside as obscure by scholars as early as five centuries later. [00:01]
phf: well, i think in this case it's an attempt to throw sand, like "other early scholarly texts i read that you idiots didn't have wholly different words in there" [00:02]
mircea_popescu: except the ridiculousness of such on the fucking internet... really ? [00:03]
mircea_popescu: you're gonna be the best read smartest dude out here ? fancy that! [00:03]
phf: it literally takes an hour of research to refute his claims [00:03]
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's little doubt, if nothing else for gm reasons, that the original #bible-a was rather anti-establishment and then got reshaped into something more tolerant once the wot involved ended up in power irl. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: ta-da. [00:04]
danielpbarron: that's generally my position: not thrilled about non-Bible establishment, but totally in favor of kingdom in which Biblical law is enforced [00:22]
phf: the savages is painful [00:53]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: << more truecrypt [03:06]
PeterL: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i still can't fathom why bicycle is permitted but not horse. << horses leave piles of stinky shit lying everywhere, nobody wants their roads covered in shit [08:01]
shinohai: As opposed to stinking hipsters everywhere on bikes? [08:08]
PeterL: shinohai hipster don't shit in the road [08:21]
PeterL: danielpbarron do you read things like the gospel of thomas, or do you just stick with what is in the traditional bible? [08:22]
mircea_popescu: phf is it ? whyssat ? [08:44]
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: << more truecrypt <<<<< see the other logz. some derp did a 'newsweeksatoshi' re truecrypt (shat forth a 'thrilling!111' bio of some schmuck, and - without anything like evidence - tagged him with the authorship based on 'glove fits') [08:59]
mircea_popescu: hey, it's how the legal process works in the us [09:00]
mircea_popescu: why would the journashits use a diff process ? [09:00]
asciilifeform: absolutely no reason. [09:01]
asciilifeform: see also 'piltdown man', classic american paleontology. [09:01]
asciilifeform: same principle. [09:01]
asciilifeform: hey, monkey's arse can fit this dog's neck! let's sew them ! [09:02]
mircea_popescu: imagine leah's disconcert when teh republic pissed all over her face for JUSRT DOING HER JERB [09:02]
mircea_popescu: (which is exactly what the derp said, too) [09:02]
asciilifeform: aiiiy wazzzz oonly foolowing oorderz!!11111 [09:02]
mircea_popescu: not even. [09:02]
mircea_popescu: "i was merely following along with the crowd" [09:03]
mircea_popescu: one of the best things to do after breaking up a strike/protest/other "democratic" bs is to isolater hte participants, beat the shit out of them and inquire wtf they thought they were doing there. [09:03]
asciilifeform: favourite pasttime in ru police station [09:03]
asciilifeform: may as well ask lone ant. [09:04]
mircea_popescu: which way it's going [09:04]
asciilifeform: aha. [09:04]
asciilifeform: speaking of vermin, [09:04]
asciilifeform: << lulz [09:04]
asciilifeform: ^ tldr: 2-3 moar yearz of gavinatronics [09:04]
mircea_popescu: hurr. they hired diablo ? [09:04]
asciilifeform: sponsored by, e.g., nasdaq [09:05]
asciilifeform: 'Do the developers physically work at MIT? [09:05]
asciilifeform: No. They are free (and welcome to!) work from MIT at any time, but they mostly work remotely.' [09:05]
asciilifeform: ^ answers the old riddle, 'does gavin have to rot in an office' [09:05]
* asciilifeform goes off to rot in office, bbl [09:06]
mircea_popescu: later. [09:06]
shinohai: +asciilifeform ^ answers the old riddle, 'does gavin have to rot in an office' <<< a cage is a cage still, isn't it? [09:29]
shinohai: whether in home office or standard one. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: he has his idiosyncratic criteria, which fit the events. and change with teh events. [09:31]
danielpbarron: PeterL> danielpbarron do you read things like the gospel of thomas << no. just the 66 books [10:13]
mircea_popescu: if only god had the common sense ot include a hash with the material. [10:14]
shinohai: ^ [10:15]
shinohai: my sides [10:15]
shinohai: Aren't there kabbalists that look for such hashes in Scripture? [10:16]
mircea_popescu: i guess in a sense that's what they're doing yeah [10:16]
mod6: "BCD1 [10:16]
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phf: mircea_popescu: it's very spot on, it's like everything that happens is a neurotic mannerism, "of course that's what she would say, of course that's what he would do", all the props fit too. painful, because i'm not in argentina and these people are way too familiar [10:35]
mircea_popescu: aha. [10:35]
mircea_popescu: these schmucks are no better, just different. [10:35]
mircea_popescu: of course... different is better to the weary. [10:35]
phf: i can also see why it would have a 7/10 rating, because it won't be seen as a satire, the characters are also the audience, words like "poignant" "reconnecting" "estranged" will be used, but of course there all kinds of things to nit pick for connoisseurs of independent movies which are better than hollywood, but are easy to apply npr-speak while completely missing the point, and the meta circularity makes my head heart. hence-- painful [10:44]
mircea_popescu: now tell me this. you familiar with the five stages of a narrative ? [10:46]
phf: sure [10:47]
mircea_popescu: ok, plox to identify the climax. [10:47]
phf: hmm [10:48]
phf: i thought it was somewhere around the dinner scene where they ask dad questions [10:52]
mircea_popescu: mno. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: whydja think so ? [10:53]
asciilifeform: Mar 31 09:31:56 <mircea_popescu>he has his idiosyncratic criteria, which fit the events. and change with teh events. << this is unfounded. all i ever said on subj is 'gavin is exempt from arbeit macht frei, doesn't commute, doesn't punch clock'. turns out - true. (unless mircea_popescu has intel suggesting otherwise ?) [10:57]
phf: well, it's the end of any action on the part of characters, they are sort of agitated from their state by external factors, they act to the limit of their meagre abilities, and that's that. everything else is them settling back into their passivity as a result of that initial agitation [10:59]
mircea_popescu: phf what is the definition of climax ? [10:59]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's call it confounded and settle ? [10:59]
asciilifeform: l0l sure [10:59]
phf: mircea_popescu: the peak of plot? [11:00]
mircea_popescu: you call this a definition ? [11:00]
asciilifeform: at any rate one probably ought to regard 'gavin gets xxx for gavining' with the same salt as 'red army soldier gets x grams of chocolate in surrender camp' [11:00]
mircea_popescu: what's next, "the exciting bit" like ? [11:00]
mircea_popescu: holy shit is the internet braindead btw. fucking websites. [11:01]
danielpbarron: gavin can't say the things that i can say, and in that sense he is much less free than I am [11:01]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron doesn't matter because isn't going around pretending like what you say matters!!!1eleventeen [11:01]
danielpbarron: just like Obama can't be that powerful if he can't publicly have a harem [11:02]
mircea_popescu: phf "the singular act towards which all exposition leads and from which all conclusion follows". that's the classical climax. yes, modern and adultcontempo storytelling does not strictly follow classicism, just like they abandoned the unity of time and place. but the thing still is what it always was. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: this happens to be a very strictly classical narrative, much to its merit, and adding to its valor. so find it. [11:03]
phf: hmm [11:05]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> just like Obama can't be that powerful if he can't publicly have a harem << the excuse here would be that "he could if he wanted to - doesn't want to". [11:08]
mircea_popescu: phf anyway, take your time. mebbe alf watches it too and he can catch up with teh rest of the class! [11:09]
mircea_popescu: tmsr-chan now doing literary criticism master's degrees of all things. [11:09]
asciilifeform: i will watch it, atm busy having my fingernails pulled out and entrails unwound [11:09]
phf: yeah, seriously that part of my brain hasn't worked in 20 some years [11:09]
asciilifeform: then at the end of the day will put'em back in, rinse, repeat. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: phf hey, and you wanted to teach a computer how to do it! [11:10]
* shinohai thinks asciilifeform believes himself the Russian Prometheus. [11:10]
asciilifeform: << mega-4uct10n [11:11]
phf: it's emergent, neural nets will do it for me [11:11]
mircea_popescu: oh i see. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: fucking tin women everywhere. [11:11]
danielpbarron: yeah b.s. Every man would have a harem if he could [11:13]
danielpbarron: aww someone topped my denarius bid [11:15]
mircea_popescu: you think ? why ? [11:18]
mircea_popescu: fwis, nine tenths of everyone'd wear one of those penis shrinker thing and be kept in diapers by a crumb-like woman. [11:18]
asciilifeform: voluntarily?! [11:19]
mircea_popescu: quite. [11:19]
asciilifeform: share the lsd? [11:19]
* danielpbarron wouldn't, ew. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: what, you've not noticed the neoteny trend ? [11:19]
asciilifeform: it is from the cage [11:19]
shinohai: google crumb-like woman [11:19]
gribble: No Girls Allowed!: Crumb and the Comix Counterculture | PopMatters: <> An Eye for the Ladies - <> Robert Crumb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <> [11:19]
asciilifeform: not from any decision on part of the dulapped [11:19]
mircea_popescu: ha-ha. cage my foot. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: the CAGE is FROM IT! [11:20]
mircea_popescu: what, you think the usg is a pos because aliens ? [11:20]
mircea_popescu: no dude. every place, the government it wants and earns. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: yes decision on part of dulapped. if you ever find an island of castrated males, you found an island of dudes who thought balls hang too heavy for comfort. [11:20]
asciilifeform: this - yes [11:20]
asciilifeform: but i pwersonally must've been put here from sins in past lives or what. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: hey, there's good arguments against moving to other place. your parents took you there neh ? [11:21]
mircea_popescu: do that to a child, he'll have to... wait for it... adapt to the new environment!!11 [11:21]
mircea_popescu: odds are he won't find the popular girls sexy or even interesting, and so on. [11:21]
asciilifeform: aha, this is how i became asocial monster [11:22]
asciilifeform: by and large i find the local fauna repulsive. [11:22]
shinohai: I saw Vexual in the logs lmao [11:23]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, intelligence is an adaptive trait! [11:25]
asciilifeform: go, adapt to chimps in the zoo. [11:26]
trinque: the texan babes behave just fine. you're in hell. [11:26]
trinque: and apparently prefer it, lol [11:26]
mircea_popescu: if stuck in zoo i think i'd try to enjoy chimp cunt. [11:26]
asciilifeform: trinque: i gotta say, i envy your blindness. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: i wonder... just as muscular as chimp otherwise ? [11:27]
mircea_popescu: can she do the she-dolphin trick ? [11:27]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i knew a buncha similar kidz who , yes, adapted to chimp cunt. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: (intromission in marine mammals doesn't work as in terrestrials. you'd prolly call it... milking.) [11:27]
trinque: poor alf thinks people put up with fat, stupid people of walmart everywhere on this continent [11:27]
asciilifeform: trinque: on the contrary, we have the other thing here. [11:28]
trinque: ah right, those fembots you mentioned? [11:28]
asciilifeform: aha [11:28]
asciilifeform: i've never actually seen the folks BingoBoingo links to [11:28]
asciilifeform: (in the flesh) [11:28]
mircea_popescu: fembots ?! [11:29]
asciilifeform: brb, the crypt0graph3rz are here [11:29]
mircea_popescu: just how long was i asleep! [11:29]
phf: ascii perhaps refers to strong dc culture of clubsluts and sorority girls [11:31]
trinque: he said something about the women having robot faces [11:31]
phf: right [11:31]
mircea_popescu: phf i dunno fucking comprehend the disdain affected (perhaps to the point of believing themselves) by intellectual folk re the pro sluts. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: srsly now. how can you not respect them! [11:31]
* trinque shrugs [11:32]
phf: well, it's masked fear [11:32]
trinque: how is "I am signaling for cock as hard as I can" fear? [11:32]
mircea_popescu: "the culture of clubsluts and sorority girls" beats any other female culture so far out of the field it can't even be discussed, wtf. you can take one of those and make her a fat borderline sleeve in six weeks. try the fucking other way around [11:32]
mircea_popescu: "oh these shoes hurt!11" [11:33]
phf: on part of intellectual folk [11:33]
trinque: ah [11:33]
phf: i have nothing but warm feelings towards clubsluts, they made my mid 20s quite pleasant, before i left dc [11:34]
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather discuss the scrolls with them than with the others. [11:34]
phf: but i'm saying i grok what ascii is talking about, because there's strong sorority culture in dc [11:34]
mircea_popescu: generally, better a clever girl that thinks herself dumb than a dumb girl that thinks she must be clever. [11:35]
phf: fwiw there's plenty of clever girls in dc club scene, they are predominantly american,gwu,georgetown or else educated transplants, not to mention lots of foreigners [11:36]
mircea_popescu: trinque not even signalling for cock. anti-signalling for male fears > 9000. [11:36]
phf: it's just not the "easy" clever [11:36]
mircea_popescu: phf half the time it's not the schooled clever, which is just as well. [11:37]
mircea_popescu: local lulz here. tall blondy aspiring to be a stewardess wants to know where i work. "i don't work" "then what do you do ?" "whatever i feel like." she's thoroughly confused, enlists help. "how do i pay for things ??" "with money." "yes!!!". eventually girl that knows me rescues them, "oh, he's in finance". NOW they're satisfied! "omg you liar!11" [11:42]
mircea_popescu: because apparently work doesn't mean iho what i thought it would. [11:42]
mircea_popescu: it's not "what you do, whether you make any money or not, ie work", but "how do you get the money, whether you do anything or not, ie, social-proof". [11:43]
phf: i work in mergers and acquisitions [11:43]
trinque: heh, she met a quasi-mythical creature. an owner. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: trinque quite unheard of here. whole fucking place is a socialist wet dream, nobody owns anything. did i recount the lulz of the local gambling baron ? [11:45]
trinque: I don't recall. [11:45]
phf: i thought owners are always mercurial about their answers that sort of questions. i'm yet to see one who goes "yeah, i own companies" [11:45]
mircea_popescu: phf i met tons of guys that went "yeah baby i'm ap roducer" [11:46]
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, ima befoul the logs with this nonsense then. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: so, one cristobal lopez is one of the country's greatest "owners". originally, there was a gambling boat made by some spanish company, taking advantage of the unclear jurisdiction situation and the inept and slow workings of the ar courts. they invested 10mn and took home 100mn the first year. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: the local smartasses took over, and created "the largest agglomeration of slot machines in the world" in this circus tent on the grounds of the old hippodrome [11:48]
phf: well, exactly those guys are not producers [11:48]
mircea_popescu: the thing owes in taxes, if its own word is to be believed, about half a BILLION dollars for the past decade. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: during which decade it paid NOTHING. nor kept any sort of auditable books. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: the reason is, that there was some dispute between city and federal government as to who should be paid. and this derp went whatevers, and never paid anything. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: so now "his" media, which obviously was cristina-friendly, pissed off macri, who won. and so they're going to have a falling out and the thing is going to be "privatized" or somesuch. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: what owners ? [11:49]
mircea_popescu: the whole charade is, government borrows, spends and taxes, creates cardboard "businessmen" that exist principally to have what to hang whenever needed and vorwarts! [11:51]
trinque: heh, what a mess. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: 4500 tragamonedas, fancy that. [11:51]
* trinque went on a tirade to new lady friend yesterday about the complete lack of ownership in USistan. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: and the start and end of it all is, these atrocious fucktards, who think "sadly there's too many bars" and the whole surface of club in buenos aires would fit in one sane club in a sane place, [11:52]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless spent billions of dollars in the shitty slots. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: what horse races ? what anything ? all they want is the shitty slot machine, because there they can sit in their own stinky juices. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: no need to interact or anything. EASIEST!11 [11:52]
mircea_popescu: that's the whole argentinian life. that's what derpy chick does : dreams about being stewardess, watches netflix and plays slots. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: parillada libre!!1 mate en el parque!!11 they're cheaper to keep than hens. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: i don't mean "than their weight in hens" even. headcount ffs. not even footcount. [11:54]
asciilifeform: 11:31 <+mircea_popescu> phf i dunno fucking comprehend the disdain affected (perhaps to the point of believing themselves) by intellectual folk re the pro sluts. << nonono i just loathe the hump of the bell curve, sluts, no sluts, whatever [12:04]
asciilifeform: 11:35 <+mircea_popescu> generally, better a clever girl that thinks herself dumb than a dumb girl that thinks she must be clever. << how about CLEVER girl that thinks itself clever [12:05]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:05]
asciilifeform: huh?! [12:05]
mircea_popescu: was to first line. [12:05]
asciilifeform: 'better be rich and healthy than poor and diseases' (tm) (r) [12:05]
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly like clever girl that thinks self clever, no. [12:05]
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise [12:05]
mircea_popescu: clever woman that thinks self clever, sure. provided ACTUALLY IS. [12:05]
mircea_popescu: otherwise, prolly setting itself up to be shot. [12:05]
asciilifeform: no shit - provided ~actually is~ [12:06]
mircea_popescu: hey, i've made all sorts of beautiful things with clever women that were self-aware. [12:06]
mircea_popescu: purpose o' life. [12:06]
asciilifeform: 11:36 <+phf> fwiw there's plenty of clever girls in dc club scene << ~definitionally~ not what i consider usable. [12:07]
mircea_popescu: how so ? [12:07]
phf: i don't grok, explain [12:07]
trinque: << I like girls that get shown Oglaf and give me one of these 2wks later. [12:07]
asciilifeform: because club scene. [12:07]
mircea_popescu: this made no sense alfie. [12:07]
trinque: not a human skull, but y'know, WIP!! [12:07]
mircea_popescu: you don't like truffles because underground also ? [12:07]
phf: don't like outside, because need to put on pants [12:08]
mircea_popescu: ahahah trinque wtf is that! [12:08]
asciilifeform: i'm allergic to the mass culture thing. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: how is this mass culture ?! [12:08]
trinque: fuckin skullberries! [12:08]
asciilifeform: proper gurl hangs out in maths library, among the theorems. [12:08]
asciilifeform: or similar. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: says who ? [12:08]
trinque: [12:09]
asciilifeform: says ~only me. [12:09]
mircea_popescu: proper boy hangs around hunting camp, too. wtf is htis [12:09]
mircea_popescu: you get a pass, she doesn't ?! [12:09]
asciilifeform: who said i got pass. [12:09]
asciilifeform: i get nothing. [12:09]
mircea_popescu: so then wut ? [12:09]
asciilifeform: but it is well-specified nothing!111 [12:09]
mircea_popescu: trinque great. is she got tits too ? :D [12:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well specified is not in itself valuable. gotta be REASONED. [12:10]
trinque: nice tits, and A+++ booty [12:10]
mircea_popescu: anyone can make well specified! [12:10]
trinque: cooks like a champ too [12:10]
hanbot: <asciilifeform> proper gurl hangs out in maths library, among the theorems. << why can't she do both? [12:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm allergic, what of it. just can't do the zoophilia thing, never could. [12:10]
mircea_popescu: trinque is she maing 0.1 btc ? [12:10]
trinque: heh doubtful. [12:10]
mircea_popescu: skullberries lol. [12:10]
phf: i guess the point is that asciilifeform doesn't like club sluts, wants his girls as math phds only. but periodically, and that was the issue, he sneaks in the idea that there's something deficient about girls that go to clubs, i.e. they are not clever or smart, they are animals, etc. [12:11]
asciilifeform: hanbot: the ones who do both, if even exist, are prolly all living in mircea_popescu's house already. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: he has an entire list of these that he keeps restating no matter what. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would ytou know this ?! [12:11]
phf: asciilifeform: that is outright wrong [12:11]
mircea_popescu: i agree. [12:11]
asciilifeform: phf: not necessarily 'are animal', but 'smell of animal', trigger my personal allergy. [12:12]
asciilifeform: i only even mention it because came up, in thread. [12:12]
asciilifeform: there is no particularly good reason for anyone to give a shit. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: you understand how very fucking vulnerable this thing makes you ? [12:12]
phf: i.e. they smell of sweat because they were dancing? [12:12]
hanbot: heh asciilifeform or they're lonely af because men who'd be into 'em make all kinds of assumptions. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: if "smell of animal" matters, i bet you i can get you married with an utter imbecile just by exploiting "smells of library". [12:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it just makes me a hermit, who keeps 1 pet, and not 3 etc. [12:12]
phf: mircea_popescu: it's a thing, look at recent usg "nerd culture" [12:13]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was attempted, i had the elementary nervous system to resist [12:13]
mircea_popescu: phf actually there's a very funny thing re that, girls never smell of earnest sweat. every place has a consensus-chosen chem barrier for that. [12:13]
asciilifeform: 'smell of library' only works on poseur imbeciles. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: the "slut scent". [12:13]
trinque: asciilifeform: what's wrong with you teaching her math? [12:13]
trinque: I've at least taught every gf I've had to code. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so your resistence is chiefly based on, "nsa is incompetent, never got an actual intellect behind the effort to fuck up my miserable rng source" [12:13]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: finally, meta-nsa !111 [12:14]
mircea_popescu: lollers [12:14]
trinque: last one lisp even! [12:14]
asciilifeform: can haz the gassing for phree?? it was late! (like domino's pizza !) [12:14]
mircea_popescu: hey, i taught a girl how to lisp also. [12:14]
mircea_popescu: required for spanish. [12:15]
asciilifeform: i did also. [12:15]
asciilifeform: in 2 separate cases. [12:15]
phf: asciilifeform: i think we're saying that you're making familiar assumptions, that are not true, and that you're missing out from that, or at the very least are saying falsehoods. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: i don't credit the "missing out" angle, he can't possibly be missing what he's not missing. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: but falsehoods, yes. [12:15]
asciilifeform: phf: i'm allergic to 'female culture', shoes, piles of gaudy clothing idiocy, etc. what of it. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: why! [12:16]
asciilifeform: на вкус и цвет товарищей нет (tm) (r) [12:16]
trinque: asciilifeform: so you're a dude! [12:16]
trinque: lol, ignore it! [12:16]
trinque: and what's wrong with her looking nice? [12:16]
mircea_popescu: this is like despising cooking. it's a fucking seat in the academy, for rights! [12:16]
asciilifeform: trinque: because the robot suit is not 'nice' in my hindbrain. [12:16]
mircea_popescu: mr. duchemin occupies it. you know mr. duchemin ? [12:16]
asciilifeform: this is not 'cooking' (which i quite approve of) but room-temperature-cheese. [12:17]
phf: asciilifeform: sure, i don't take issue with your preferences, it's your trying to frame it in value terms that we share. oh club sluts are stupid, real smart girls only hang out at libraries where alf feels it safe to approach them [12:17]
mircea_popescu: it's outrageous, i don't think i ever saw an intelligent girl in a library. [12:18]
asciilifeform: wasn't trying to frame as prescription. describing own desires. not any more portable than mircea_popescu's golden shower thing [12:18]
mircea_popescu: unless you count [12:18]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which ? [12:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'pissed in the back alley of cairo' example [12:19]
mircea_popescu: oh. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: tis complicated but anyway. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: phf fwiw, i did personally see him in the nude and fuck whoever club, he didn't melt. [12:20]
asciilifeform: how did i even end up in this thread, this is the perfect example of mircea_popescu's 'gynaeceum material, dun work in forum' thing. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: never actually saw him in a library tho! [12:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l, it was hilarious, no one fucked in the club [12:20]
mircea_popescu: you possibly didn't look close enough. [12:20]
asciilifeform: it was like a sports bar with no tv [12:20]
asciilifeform: everyone started at ??? [12:20]
phf: mircea_popescu: you saw asciilifeform in the nude? now i too am confused by this thread [12:21]
trinque: ahahah [12:21]
mircea_popescu: personally i was rooting on davout taking the weirdo german chick home. or at least pistols at dawn with ben_vulpes something. but alas... [12:21]
asciilifeform: phf: parse ll(1) [12:21]
phf: presumably in this sort of setting [12:21]
mircea_popescu: phf nah, HE wasn't naked. it's not obligatory. [12:21]
phf: oh oh got it [12:22]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu and i and buncha folks went to a club, nominally s&m-tronic, but ~nobody (as far as my naked eye could see) was naked [12:22]
asciilifeform: from my pov it was ~as much fun as standing in a rush hour train. [12:23]
mircea_popescu: hahaha! [12:23]
mircea_popescu: well, ok, but look at the benefits. you can now scare people with your personal history! [12:23]
asciilifeform: aha! actually the failed reddit thing, more so. some months ago i was fingered in some derp comment, ' mircea_popescu's demented lieutenant, in charge of argentinian bsdm....' or the like, i almost fell to the ground from my stake [12:24]
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha [12:24]
mircea_popescu: see ? [12:25]
asciilifeform: aha! [12:25]
mircea_popescu: now we finally understand all those anal insertion and genital mutilation comments IN THEIR RIGHTFUL CONTEXT. [12:25]
asciilifeform: there we go. [12:26]
asciilifeform: hey in america this is how 'experts' usually develop 'reputation', by maybe walking past a warehouse that was a lab once in 1950s on a stroll etc. [12:27]
mircea_popescu: hanbot do you rtecall which te fuck this was btw ? i thought it was the subasta de esclavas thing, buncha naked girlies on sale [12:27]
asciilifeform: there were ! [12:27]
hanbot: ah yeah, but they were local-nekkid [12:27]
mircea_popescu: didn't you just say everyone was dressed! [12:27]
hanbot: pubis necessarily covered [12:27]
asciilifeform: aha [12:27]
mircea_popescu: hanbot was agustina topless or is that a diff one [12:28]
mircea_popescu: oh oh. [12:28]
asciilifeform: they were swimming-pool 'naked' [12:28]
hanbot: mircea_popescu she wasn't [12:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you could have just walked to any and asked to see her parts. [12:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and after that, i could have walked to confectionary and asked to smell a good cake ! [12:28]
mircea_popescu: sure ? [12:28]
mircea_popescu: lick, also. not made of sugar. [12:29]
asciilifeform: unlike m. gandhi, i dun do the self-mortification thing [12:29]
mircea_popescu: how are you going to get your immunity up if you don't ingest enough viral load ? [12:29]
asciilifeform: eh setting foot in the virus pit was a good start imho. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: true. ever tried the subte also ? [12:30]
asciilifeform: if ever i end up there again i can even try without gas mask. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: yeah iirc. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: +9000 imunopoints, at a cost of a mere 1.5 milimorts. [12:30]
hanbot: subte is pretty cruel. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: hanbot i think chetty took them for a death spin or something. [12:30]
asciilifeform: subte i assume is their subway ? [12:30]
asciilifeform: i didn't get to it [12:30]
mircea_popescu: oh ? [12:31]
asciilifeform: was shuttered by the time ben_vulpes and i thought of it [12:31]
asciilifeform: so we walked across ~whole city [12:31]
asciilifeform: in one night [12:31]
mircea_popescu: possibly best collection of obscure pathogens in the world. whenever i go my eyes water. [12:31]
asciilifeform: i forget why, i think we had 1 bottle tooo many [12:31]
mircea_popescu: drinking by the bottle, going to pervy clubs, all the while pretending library is criteria! YOUR HIPOCRISY IS NAO EXPOSED! [12:32]
asciilifeform: speaking of subways, [12:32]
asciilifeform: l0l! [12:32]
asciilifeform: ^ tldr - washington metro will close entire lines [12:32]
mircea_popescu: just you wait when alf-jr finds this and you have some 'splainin' to do. [12:32]
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n [12:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> hey in america this is how 'experts' usually develop 'reputation', by maybe walking past a warehouse that was a lab once in 1950s on a stroll etc. <<< #trilema, with a collective pervy experience of > 50 years... [12:40]
phf: they are not touching red line, because there's where white people are at [12:41]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [12:42]
phf: ascii's link [12:42]
mircea_popescu: oh dc. heh. [12:42]
asciilifeform: aha, 'red' is how the bureaucrats get to/from their stakes, from/to the posh suburban mcmansions. [12:43]
asciilifeform: dispatch from planet earth (old #b-a) - i bid a few coinz for poor old bbet, and kako thinks i went off my sanity [13:08]
phf: perhaps kako is convinced that there's no possible future for bitbet post-receivership? [13:15]
asciilifeform: seems like it. [13:15]
asciilifeform: imho it could be repaired. [13:15]
asciilifeform: like old t-34 pulled from the swamps. [13:16]
asciilifeform: get the skeletons, bogwater, dirt out - engine will purr. [13:16]
phf: i left because conversation is dead and there's no attempt to revive it. it seems like the only shared thing between those left is hatred for mp, which is not particularly good community builder. last thing i saw was nubbins repeating the same point he made about 4 times now about MPEX trade volume [13:20]
asciilifeform: phf: presently it's kako and i re bbet auction [13:20]
asciilifeform: he's the only same fella left in old #b-a i think [13:20]
asciilifeform: *sane [13:20]
mircea_popescu: so what's the big deal. have fun running it. [13:25]
mircea_popescu: what exactly is broken anyway ? [13:25]
mircea_popescu: great way to learn how to be useful, imo. [13:25]
asciilifeform: afaik nothing but the reputation [13:25]
mircea_popescu: how exactly "the reputation" [13:25]
mircea_popescu: it got in trouble, was reorganized, works again. this is more reputation than apple has [13:26]
mircea_popescu: nothing in btc ever even came very vaguely close. [13:26]
asciilifeform: anyway i can't imagine mine is the winning bid, the thing is a valuable mechanism, surely worth a fat bag of coinz [13:26]
mircea_popescu: certainly a cheap answer to "who are you again". spend whatever to buy it, put in the time to keep it going, problem solved. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: arguably easier (or at least more accessible) work than slaving butt off to recreate ai like phf's been trying. [13:28]
asciilifeform: if i win the auction (l0l) i will make the pet operate it. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: also make her get a wot and speak in forum ? [13:30]
asciilifeform: ideally. [13:30]
mircea_popescu: not a bad move. [13:30]
mircea_popescu: phf wait ppls hate me nao ?! [13:31]
mircea_popescu: da fuck. [13:31]
mircea_popescu: hey trinque what's the eta on voicing deedbot- ? [13:33]
mircea_popescu: i suppose teh peanut gallery be getting antsy by now. [13:34]
trinque: later today or tomorrow, nearly done. [13:38]
mircea_popescu: a splendid. [13:39]
mircea_popescu: davout the thing you published misses a crucial element. there's a (or two) lists of addresses bitbet was to use, signed by me. got them ? [13:45]
phf: (davout shouldn't auction bids be signed?) [13:46]
* asciilifeform reposted bid, signed [13:48]
asciilifeform: << dpaste, in case comment mangled [13:49]
danielpbarron: we never signed euloran bids [13:51]
danielpbarron: never went higher than 2 btc though [13:51]
asciilifeform: anyway i signed, because apparently nobody believes that i am this far gone into insanity [13:51]
shinohai: If only there was a BitBet to bet on who will win BB in auction. [13:53]
asciilifeform: l0l [13:53]
deedbot-: [Qntra] BitBet Reciever Opens Bidding For BitBet Assets - [13:56]
trinque: deedbot- [13:59]
deedbot-: rejected: 1 [13:59]
trinque: lolwat [13:59]
trinque: perhaps I lack that key [13:59]
asciilifeform: newlines ? [14:00]
phf: *compute compute compute* REJECTED [14:00]
* asciilifeform mutters malignantly about the idiocy of clearsigning and 'plain text' [14:01]
trinque: deedbot- [14:01]
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage. [14:01]
* trinque head explodes [14:02]
asciilifeform: in-band!1111 [14:02]
* shinohai oils deedbot, makes tea. [14:02]
trinque: ahaha I copied wrong. [14:02]
trinque: deedbot- [14:03]
deedbot-: rejected: 1 [14:03]
asciilifeform: wut [14:04]
trinque: it's bitching about expired key on the server side [14:04]
trinque: could be it, dunno [14:04]
asciilifeform: so update the key. [14:05]
asciilifeform: my keys are renewed every year. [14:05]
asciilifeform: use the one in the wot. [14:05]
asciilifeform: (this thing where folks expect keys to never change, is lulzy, yes i get it, mircea_popescu gotta prevent mpex account resale, but it is dumb in any other context) [14:06]
shinohai: Now it just can't get moar white trash than this: [14:12]
trinque: deedbot- [14:12]
deedbot-: accepted: 1 [14:12]
trinque: yep, was the key [14:12]
asciilifeform: trinque: neato [14:17]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, [14:20]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Cloudflare Pressures Tor Developers and Users To Implement Identifiers - [14:20]
asciilifeform: 'Prince suggests that the incidents of CAPTCHA-challenge could be reduced if Tor adopted a plugin that could send ‘a cryptographically secure but anonymous token to services like CloudFlare in order to verify that the request is not coming from an automated system’. Draft code for the plugin has been provided by CloudFlare on GitHub.' << l0l!! [14:22]
deedbot-: [Qntra] FBI Now Offering To Unlock iPhones Just Because It Can - [14:27]
BingoBoingo: ty asciilifeform [14:28]
trinque: I assume they plan to beat Apple on the head with "your phones aren't as s3kur3 as you claim" until... something [14:30]
trinque: presumably bending over more obediently [14:30]
trinque: or simply publically normalizing overt collaboration with govt [14:30]
BingoBoingo: Prolly Just something Apple's going to use to speed adoption of iOSX [14:35]
BingoBoingo: Other lulz stumbled upon in researching these qntras [14:40]
mircea_popescu: shinohai> If only there was a BitBet to bet on who will win BB in auction. << bwahaha [14:43]
mircea_popescu: deedbot-> rejected: 1 >>> i lulzed heartily. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (but it is dumb in any other context) << orly. because why, because "everyone" is held to UPDATE crypto material at hitler's beak an' call, through a poorly specified process ? [14:44]
mircea_popescu: pfff! i say! [14:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who said 'through poorly specified' [14:45]
mircea_popescu: and fuck fucking cloudflare. it m,ay not fucking exist. [14:45]
asciilifeform: what is wrong with 'new key signed with old.' [14:45]
mircea_popescu: this is not how key update actually works atm, is it. [14:45]
PeterL: what benefit does having new key offer? [14:46]
asciilifeform: hey i was not counting on the idiot sks update process [14:46]
mircea_popescu: and there's plenty wrong with new key signed with old. sign both with the same master. [14:46]
asciilifeform: and just recently mircea_popescu published a spare key ! [14:46]
asciilifeform: this was deedbotted [14:46]
mircea_popescu: so i did. none of this maps on the "update" process in any way extant. [14:46]
asciilifeform: and the instructions were, and i recall, 'if this one is used, old one is to be considered dead' [14:46]
mircea_popescu: it's more of a "end of b-a" thing than a "update" [14:46]
asciilifeform: nothing about same-masters in there. [14:46]
mircea_popescu: shit, even the word update is ignominous now. [14:47]
asciilifeform: l0l [14:47]
asciilifeform: 14:46 <+mircea_popescu> it's more of a "end of b-a" thing than a "update" << waiwut [14:47]
mircea_popescu: can you ask a question with words in it! [14:48]
asciilifeform: how is it not an update mechanism ? [14:48]
mircea_popescu: because it isn't a mechanism at all. [14:48]
asciilifeform: well not 100% mechanical, it has meat in it. [14:49]
asciilifeform: as does most of life. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: it isn't a mechanism. [14:50]
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'same master' algo is catastrophically dangerous because it does not allow you to retire a broken ciphersystem COMPLETELY [14:50]
mircea_popescu: hey, chet managed. [14:50]
asciilifeform: it rsa is broken, the dead will 'walk.' [14:50]
mircea_popescu: if rsa is broken, we have an event of the nature of "end of b-a" not of the nature of "an update". [14:51]
mircea_popescu: and there's no "mechanism" involved in this. [14:51]
mircea_popescu: nor will there be. [14:51]
asciilifeform: only if no parachute. [14:51]
asciilifeform: incidentally ~gpg~ is broken NOW, i can make a fresh key with, e.g., mircea_popescu's fingerprint, for less than the cost of a bus. [14:52]
asciilifeform: (sha1 collision) [14:52]
asciilifeform: but this is not a cryptographic break. [14:52]
asciilifeform: (yet imho it is worth asking, what tmsr systems are affected by this fact?) [14:53]
mod6: we need a loggerthingy for #trilema [14:54]
* asciilifeform also finds it interesting that enemy is not yet doing this to anyone, afaik. 'glass cannon' ? [14:54]
mod6: or is someone working on that? [14:54]
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc phf is [14:54]
mod6: aight [14:54]
mod6: thx [14:54]
asciilifeform: << holy fuck, is anyone else seeing spam in there ? [14:56]
asciilifeform: davout ^^^^ [14:57]
danielpbarron: yeah all numbers are getting turned into videos [14:57]
asciilifeform: << snapshot with spamola [14:57]
asciilifeform: wtf [14:57]
danielpbarron: i thought that guy was adding it himself until i saw one in the middle of your signed bid [14:58]
PeterL: or did he just copy alf's signed comment and insert the junk inside? [15:00]
phf: that's only signed comment [15:00]
asciilifeform: davout's box 0wn3d ? [15:00]
PeterL: ah, nevermind [15:01]
phf: all coined transfered to malasia! [15:01]
PeterL: good thing you signed the bid, I guess [15:01]
asciilifeform: e.g., I bid </p> [15:03]
asciilifeform: <div class="embed-vimeo" style="text-align: center"><iframe src="" width="625" height="352" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div> [15:03]
asciilifeform: <p> BTC on davout&#8217s BBET auction.</p> [15:03]
asciilifeform: forfuckssake. [15:03]
asciilifeform: why is davout hosting in googlecrapolade anyway. [15:03]
asciilifeform: or shitpress, etc [15:04]
* asciilifeform mind boggles [15:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^ yer l00000vely in-band signalling at wurk !!11111 [15:05]
asciilifeform: didja know, the string 405145 now means embed_spam_video() !111 [15:06]
danielpbarron: all the numbers. the other guys' "my 2 cents" became "my <video> cents" [15:07]
asciilifeform: l0l!11 [15:07]
asciilifeform: i bet one of the innumerable items linked from external (google & shitpress) boxes got 0wn3d [15:08]
asciilifeform: e.g., css, js [15:08]
asciilifeform: i can't be arsed to figure out which. [15:08]
asciilifeform: ^^^ davout ^^^ wake up ! [15:08]
davout: lol wtf [15:09]
PeterL: right, davout wtf [15:10]
davout: ok, so apparently it's one of the plugins i had installed [15:15]
davout: asciilifeform: ty for screaming loud enough to wake me up! [15:16]
asciilifeform: np davout [15:16]
asciilifeform: which plugin? [15:16]
davout: jetpack [15:19]
davout: asciilifeform: "room-temperature-cheese." <<< where i'm from, all cheese is room temperature cheese [15:20]
asciilifeform: << it ?? [15:20]
asciilifeform: davout: no, i mean a specific atrocity, petro-garbage that is sold as 'cheese' in usa, NEVER refrigerated [15:20]
asciilifeform: likely davout has never seen, heard of, or even contemplated such a thing [15:21]
davout: i have, in the us, but we also have that kind of food here, food that doesn't rot [15:21]
asciilifeform: how does that work [15:21]
PeterL: velveeta? my mother-in-law uses the stuff to make mac-and-cheese, even my kids think it is kinda gross [15:22]
* asciilifeform queasy just from thinking about it [15:22]
PeterL: proper preservative techniques? [15:22]
asciilifeform: how? formaldehyde ??1 [15:23]
davout: nfi [15:32]
PeterL: davout do you mean you have "real food" that does not rot, or that you also have non-rotting "food" like in US? [15:35]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> davout's box 0wn3d ? << seems that way ? o.O [15:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see l0g [15:41]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform proper cheese is never refrigerated either. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: some exceptions, but by and large cheese exists so you can preserve food in cool conditions. [15:42]
asciilifeform: eaten straight from the cellar, sure [15:42]
asciilifeform: on dirigible. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: hey, i think i even had some served in ro. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: the proper aged guy.\ [15:42]
mircea_popescu: cave cheese. specific. [15:42]
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall this. [15:43]
mircea_popescu: vaguely orange. [15:43]
mircea_popescu: google nasal cheese [15:44]
gribble: Năsal cheese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <> FrieslandCampina Transylvanian cheese cave reopens after Nasal ...: <> Sinus and Food: How Food Can Affect the Sinuses: <> [15:44]
asciilifeform: ^l0l! [15:44]
asciilifeform: nasal, scrotal... [15:44]
mircea_popescu: lol. it's not the english "nasal". sounds more like the voewel in undEr. [15:46]
mircea_popescu: anyway. century old cheese invented literally in the place i was born. [15:46]
asciilifeform: ah neato. [15:46]
PeterL: the cheese keeps for a century? [15:47]
mircea_popescu: theoretically oldest was maybe 30-40 yo iirc. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: but it was uniquely made in that particular cave, twenty miles from cluj [15:47]
mircea_popescu: generally spent three seasons in there to mature. [15:49]
mircea_popescu: even something as banal as caciocavallo, once properly sealed will be happy for many years. [15:53]
* asciilifeform implodes, covetously [15:54]
mircea_popescu: it's actually very good, but it's also not possible a decent italian colonials/grocer doesn't have some. [15:54]
mircea_popescu: possibly oldest cheese in the world, herodotus attests. [15:54]
* asciilifeform puts on list [15:55]
BingoBoingo: Few thing more worth fighting over than a good cave [15:55]
mircea_popescu: word. [15:55]
asciilifeform: who played 'cave wars' ? [15:57]
asciilifeform: google cave wars [15:57]
gribble: Cave Wars - Mammoth Cave National Park (US National Park Service): <> The Kentucky Cave Wars - Appalachian History: <> Cavewars gameplay (PC Game, 1996) - YouTube: <> [15:57]
mircea_popescu: not me ? what was this ? [15:57]
asciilifeform: 2nd link [15:57]
asciilifeform: 3rd rather [15:57]
asciilifeform: msdos game. [15:57]
mircea_popescu: alf fencing error. [15:57]
mircea_popescu: well i never had it. [15:58]
asciilifeform: mega-game. [15:58]
mircea_popescu: i did play prehistorik but seems unsimilar. [15:58]
asciilifeform: [15:58]
pete_dushenski: lol at the jetpack hole. that plugin has been known to be problematic for some time. eg. [16:06]
pete_dushenski: in better news, praise be to eligius for incorporating yesterday's [absent-minded] 0feetx! only took ~22hrs... [16:07]
pete_dushenski: re: auction, i've taken the liberty of putting the bug in a few ears to see if some interest can't be drummed up. [16:10]
pete_dushenski: congrats to asciilifeform on being top bidder thus far. i'd actually like to see him take it down. [16:10]
pete_dushenski: nethash [16:11]
gribble: 1182508974.98 [16:11]
mircea_popescu: what's it up to yet ? [16:12]
pete_dushenski: 9 btc [16:12]
mircea_popescu: o wow. [16:12]
mircea_popescu: check that out danielpbarron close to one billion ecu! [16:12]
mircea_popescu: kinda blows all eulora auctions outta water this [16:13]
pete_dushenski: i could see bbet fetching 20 btc. more than that would be [pleasantly] surprising. [16:16]
mircea_popescu: you in the race yourself ? [16:17]
pete_dushenski: possibly. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: anyway, not that many business extant whose liquidation value actually goes into double digit btc. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: certainly nothing in bitcoin, whatever derpy webwallet, vertified domain name etc. [16:18]
davout: mircea_popescu: re the signed addresses list: i'm looking into it [16:18]
mircea_popescu: kk. [16:18]
danielpbarron: what what point in an Euloran auction would the bidders be asked to sign something? [16:19]
mircea_popescu: i dunno. [16:19]
davout: pete_dushenski: i did not know jetpack was such a pos, learn something new everyday [16:19]
danielpbarron: pretty sure we'd get up to 10 btc and still not sign anything [16:20]
mircea_popescu: i doubt it really, prolly just ban the offender from future auctions. [16:20]
danielpbarron: yeah [16:20]
mircea_popescu: likely, yeah. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: davout very dubious idea to run plugins or w/e you've not [had] read. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: they're all shit. wordpress itself exists, as the deliberately-maintained ddos feature attests, principally FOR this. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: it's what automattic / mullenberg dedicate their working hours to. [16:21]
pete_dushenski: davout: iirc jetpack offers some nifty functionality, i even ran it myself back in the car blogging days, but yea, it's too messy to audit, so too messy to use anymore [16:22]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron tho in fairness if you add all official auctions up, you get something more like 6 btc i think ? so yeah. totallies. [16:23]
BingoBoingo: Autocrappic has been moving basic wordpress functions into Jetpack's outsourcing for years. Eventually Wordpress is going to be a jetpack plugin [16:31]
asciilifeform: i've never even heard of 'jetpack' before now. [16:35]
asciilifeform: and i've been running a (cut-down) wp thing since '07. [16:35]
mircea_popescu: same here. [16:36]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a newer cancer [16:36]
asciilifeform: incidentall i don't recall, davout , didja specify that only wot folks can bid ? [16:38]
davout: asciilifeform: no, which is why no mandatory sigs [16:38]
asciilifeform: what's to keep hitler from bidding 9.0001 and walking ? [16:38]
asciilifeform: (walking with coin) [16:38]
davout: what coin? [16:38]
asciilifeform: whatever folks end up betting on day n+1 ? [16:39]
davout: nothing [16:39]
asciilifeform: (as i understand, it gets sold with empty tank) [16:39]
mircea_popescu: i don't get it asciilifeform ? [16:39]
asciilifeform: just thinking, hitler could buy it simply to abuse. [16:40]
mircea_popescu: in principle, sure. [16:40]
davout: let's all outbid each other, for the motherland [16:41]
mircea_popescu: there's no alternative to that "in principle" other than the retarded half-ass nonsense the fiats practice [16:42]
* asciilifeform grudgingly agrees [16:42]
mircea_popescu: last thing we fucking need is some sort of "authority" to "permit" capitalism. [16:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll agree to a lot of grudgingly before this btc thing is done. there's 0 diff between this and the haircut issue other than how close to your heart it pulls. [16:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you sell mpex to hitler ? [16:42]
mircea_popescu: if it liquidates, it liquidates. [16:42]
asciilifeform: for sufficient tonnes of au, say [16:42]
mircea_popescu: tonnes of au not in discussion. [16:43]
asciilifeform: how about trilema ? [16:43]
asciilifeform: to be turned into a volkischer beobachter. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: idem. whatever liquidates, liquidates. this is what the word means. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: we live in a not-content-free world, unlike everyone else everywhere else. [16:43]
asciilifeform: how about the 'how much must satan pay to buy your love' thread ? [16:44]
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see on the table there's used condoms. [16:44]
mircea_popescu: what love ? [16:44]
asciilifeform: well if 'liquidates' [16:44]
mircea_popescu: if liquidates then definitionally "the love that was". [16:44]
mircea_popescu: the alternative to sanity is that you'll find yourself being blackmailed with your own shit. which is what usualloy happens to stupid women, that can't discern between love and the used condoms. [16:45]
mircea_popescu: "oh, if i don't get cake ima hold my breath". [16:45]
mircea_popescu: and she can't fucking kill the greasespot on the spot with her own hands. [16:45]
asciilifeform: elaborate? [16:46]
asciilifeform: i might be lacking the ropes on which this explanation hangs [16:46]
mircea_popescu: i can't elaborate in a void! you gotta produce something. [16:46]
asciilifeform: which 'used condoms' ? what 'greasespot' ? what needs to be killed, with whose hands ? [16:46]
asciilifeform: i feel like i'm watching a movie through a door lock, can't quite make out what is what [16:47]
mircea_popescu: an ITEM can not be LOVE. it is just an item. ie, a used condom. [16:47]
mircea_popescu: however arbitrarily related to love you may make it, an item is and forever remains that. [16:47]
asciilifeform: crypto smudges the border between 'mere item' and love, loyalty [16:47]
mircea_popescu: there IS some relation between used condoms and love. [16:47]
mircea_popescu: so what of it. [16:47]
asciilifeform: 'how much for the private key' [16:47]
mircea_popescu: i don't think this border can be smudged. sure, crypto makes it more difficult [for some people] to notice it. [16:48]
asciilifeform: even in the old days, a traitor who sold the coordinates to fleet, or the opening of a city gate, etc. understood that it was not 'mere item' [16:48]
mircea_popescu: you're missing the flow of entropy here. [16:49]
asciilifeform: how's that [16:49]
mircea_popescu: FIRST bitbet turned to shit THEN it was liquidated. [16:49]
asciilifeform: i don't see the 'turned entirely to shit' angle [16:50]
asciilifeform: hence the bid [16:50]
mircea_popescu: the notion that you'll keep the gates of the town really really tight so as to keep out any plague of locusts and any visitation by pillars of salt is naive at best. [16:50]
trinque: you bid on assets [16:50]
trinque: rather than the business formerly known as bitbet [16:50]
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no relation between the "love" bitbet you're discussing and the thing you're bidding on. [16:50]
danielpbarron: gotta say, I'd prolly use bitbet again if asciilifeform is the owner/operator [16:51]
mircea_popescu: consider a house. if a woman i loved died there, i might not have any further use for the item, not even as fire kindle. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: this does not prevent a young woman and her husband from moving in THE SAME HOUSE and living a happy life. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: but what "same house". [16:51]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron me too, yeah. why not. [16:52]
asciilifeform: re: gate: [16:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. but on this imperfect notion rests the possibility of having a town, or anything really that you can't carry up your arse while drawing a bowstring [16:52]
mircea_popescu: you do not have such things. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: which difference is why i can travel, and you - not. [16:52]
asciilifeform: i can see this angle. [16:52]
asciilifeform: hitler has 'my' things, aha. [16:53]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu makes an interesting point, the item for sale is not bbet, but its possibly-necromanceable corpse [17:00]
mircea_popescu: which is why it's an opportunity. [17:07]
davout: mircea_popescu: the signed lists of addresses are now linked at the bottom of the report [17:08]
mircea_popescu: also why is not selling for the ~1k btc it was trading for, last month [17:08]
asciilifeform: aha. [17:08]
mircea_popescu: davout very nice. see, now there's a very strong chain of claims, right ? [17:08]
mircea_popescu: you signed these addresses here's what they contain here's what that means etc. [17:08]
mircea_popescu: bout 1000x better than anything fiat ever managed, in ~3500 years of trying, ever since the babylonian signet rolls. [17:09]
davout: right [17:09]
pete_dushenski: SHA1 ?! [17:11]
mircea_popescu: ya, sure. find me the man who wasn't using sha1 in 2011. [17:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plenty! they used md5. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: a right. [17:13]
asciilifeform: davout: where are the missing 200 ? [17:15]
davout: they have been paid to the addresses listed in mp's signed statement [17:16]
asciilifeform: waiwut [17:18]
asciilifeform: i was trying to make sense of 'As of the today, the minimum value of the assets in my possession is ~755 BTC, while the maximum total amount for the liabilities, should all claims be certified, is ~981 BTC.' [17:19]
mircea_popescu: he sez there's more btc owed to bettors than what he received ima be reviewing teh lists. [17:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looky what i accidentally dug out [17:49]
deedbot-: [Trilema] Happiness - [17:55]
asciilifeform: l0l! [17:56]
mircea_popescu: first on teh list! [17:56]
mircea_popescu: how do you say juninca in english ? virgin cow ? [17:57]
pete_dushenski: calf ? [17:57]
mircea_popescu: mno. that's vitel. [17:58]
pete_dushenski: "The other idiot is a very housewife." << missing word here ? [17:58]
mircea_popescu: nope. [17:58]
pete_dushenski: mk [17:59]
mircea_popescu: i may not be a cunning linguist, but i'll sure as hell rape the shit out of the language. [17:59]
pete_dushenski: "Altogether an excellet film." << gotcha this time [18:01]
hanbot: trilema is a language speculum. yesterday i got stuck on "Does the mint flower to welcome the butterflies where you live ?" [18:01]
asciilifeform: am i the only one to whom trilema was never a 'language speculum' ? mircea_popescu writes entirely reasonably. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you did, but twas fixt! [18:02]
asciilifeform: then again i also think uncle al wrote reasonably. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: hanbot ahaha! [18:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do you say juninca << тёлка ? [18:06]
mircea_popescu: isn't that adult cow ? [18:08]
mircea_popescu: anyway, turns out it's heifer in ze english. [18:08]
asciilifeform: hm. [18:09]
mircea_popescu: ze englisch* [18:09]
asciilifeform: ^ [18:10]
asciilifeform: sprechen, motherfuckerz, ze inglisch. [18:10]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: << cheapest fezza you're likely to find : ~40btc [18:10]
asciilifeform: l0l [18:11]
hanbot: asciilifeform some parsers are better'n others [18:11]
pete_dushenski: so yes, 9btc ferrari would need to be missing doors, engine, and be firmly in the 30-35 year-old range in the darkest depths of its depreciation curve [18:12]
trinque: << bawwww! [18:16]
asciilifeform: l0l!! [18:16]
asciilifeform: << vintage (few wks) related l0l. [18:19]
pete_dushenski: dear dad of dead kid: jfgi [18:19]
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf is this, apple nipple scandal [18:25]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so basically whgat's 9btc buy you, abooth at the car themed cafe ? [18:26]
asciilifeform: a set of tyres perhaps. [18:27]
pete_dushenski: cologne, hat, and watch. or a trip to monaco for the gp. [18:27]
mircea_popescu: meh monaco is such a shithole. [18:27]
mircea_popescu: i'd rather pay to go to mall of america. [18:28]
pete_dushenski: west edmonton mall > mall of america [18:28]
pete_dushenski: same owners too, at least originally [18:28]
mircea_popescu: yeah but minnesota starts with m! [18:28]
pete_dushenski: mega-jews from iran who moved to edmonton in the 80s. paid off city council. made waves. [18:29]
pete_dushenski: << [18:30]
mircea_popescu: name sounds moreover armenian. [18:32]
pete_dushenski: does doesn't it [18:32]
gernika: asciilifeform: fyi I made a trip to eetools HQ today and came back home with a curiosity: EmMax plus rom emulator - connects to LPT port - comes with console app. It does *not* however appear to support dos - win95 is as far back as it goes it seems. [18:48]
asciilifeform: gernika: neato [18:48]
asciilifeform: gernika: shouldn't be hard to reverse [18:48]
asciilifeform: good luck finding a box with working lpt tho. [18:48]
gernika: My Thinkpad t43 appears to have one. [18:49]
gernika: I will probably return it to them, since I also brought back a replacement eerom-8u that worx, as opposed to the first one they sent me. [18:51]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, if monaco's not your jam, there's always baku, sochi, montreal, singapore, or if you're looking for sluts, sao paolo [19:07]
pete_dushenski: grand prix always light a city up with fast girls and mega-parties [19:08]
mod6: sluts are universal [19:15]
pete_dushenski: sluts, the original esperanto [19:19]
pete_dushenski: << ru 5-year bonds at 9% and irl CENTURY bonds at... 2.35% ? wtfbbqsauze [19:39]
pete_dushenski: in other news, californians can now lease a 2015 electric ford focus for $81/mo. don't all rush to the stealerships at once now. single file, plz. [19:46]
pete_dushenski: this has been a Cheep Pete's Frugal Tips For Not Being A Poorfag tip [19:50]
pete_dushenski: bbl [19:58]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: car lease in usa is a mega-scam. they cap the mileage. [20:04]
asciilifeform: if you ~actually use the thing~ you pay penalty, through the nose. [20:05]
mod6: [20:05]
ben_vulpes: how is car renting not a poorfag thing?! [20:13]
ben_vulpes: "hi i would like to pay interest on the loan for this car and also the one that you'll replace it with." [20:13]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where i live, car leases are typically used by 'poorfag' to pretend to be richer [20:14]
asciilifeform: (by showing up at social gatherings with a 'fatter' car) [20:14]
ben_vulpes: here too! [20:15]
ben_vulpes: but not for "showing up for events" but for "showing up for the commute" [20:15]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what kind of lunatic cares what commute people think of their machine ? [20:16]
ben_vulpes: the same kind of people who lease cars! [20:16]
ben_vulpes: iono man when i want to show up at a party in a stupidly expensive car for fun, i rent something ludicrous not a fucking ford [20:17]
ben_vulpes: "holy shit is that your daily driver?!" [20:17]
asciilifeform: show up in a tower crane [20:17]
ben_vulpes: "no dood i rented it for laffs for tonight." [20:17]
asciilifeform: towing a wood chipper or two. [20:17]
ben_vulpes: tempting! [20:17]
ben_vulpes: although i'd go for an excavator [20:18]
asciilifeform: i dun think you can drive those on the highway [20:18]
asciilifeform: no high gear [20:18]
ben_vulpes: 'tis here [20:18]
ben_vulpes: farm equipment is entirely allowed on the highway here, mostly because...we have farms. [20:18]
asciilifeform: sure, if party is next door. [20:19]
ben_vulpes: oh well in that case just budget 2 hours to drive it [20:20]
ben_vulpes: or have it delivered up the street [20:20]
asciilifeform: aha. [20:20]
BingoBoingo: show up with sprayer. park safely over some other dude's car [20:49]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski used to, at any rate. ain't no 1990s anymore. [21:00]
mircea_popescu: heck, there was a time mtv mix parties were the shit. [21:00]
mircea_popescu: the notion that anyone'd buy ireland bonds... srsly ? shit country ever since 1016 ad. [21:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: what kind of lunatic << you don't understand cubical culture. [21:03]
mircea_popescu: ask gavin, he'll explain it to you. [21:03]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> or have it delivered up the street << i have a friend who many years ago showed up in antique steamroller. [21:04]
asciilifeform: bawwahhat?! [21:04]
mircea_popescu: not QUITE actually steam powered not far off either. [21:04]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly as described : had it delivered up the block around corner. [21:04]
asciilifeform: nono [21:04]
asciilifeform: the gavin thing [21:05]
mircea_popescu: ah. [21:05]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2016 Report - [21:05]
asciilifeform: so what is this 'culture' [21:06]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's wage culture [21:06]
mircea_popescu: how to splain... hm... [21:06]
BingoBoingo: 'tenure' et al [21:06]
mircea_popescu: dirty white collar culture. [21:06]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i grunt for wage, what of it [21:06]
mircea_popescu: eh you have no idea. [21:07]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not in the same way as Gavin. [21:07]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: more so! i clock motherfucking hour [21:07]
mircea_popescu: rtecall my "buy 2015 agenda on time" pics ? [21:07]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gavin is in a union [21:07]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the egyptian orcs ? [21:07]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gavin is General Motors goon whereas you are more... Toyota [21:08]
asciilifeform: the thing about cars as peacock objects, is esp. mysterious e.g., none of the folks i work with have ever even ~seen~ my car [21:08]
mircea_popescu: no, here. [21:08]
asciilifeform: it gets parked in underground garage N floors down [21:08]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Two very different kinds of wagery there [21:08]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: count me as lost in this analogy [21:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these people aren't worth covered parking. [21:09]
mircea_popescu: heck, it's a toss-up whether they even get to park in the parking lot. [21:09]
asciilifeform: waiwut [21:09]
mircea_popescu: yes. [21:09]
asciilifeform: not on this planet. [21:09]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno how to save it. You way be too coastal and insufficiently rust belt. [21:09]
mircea_popescu: in your very country lol. [21:09]
asciilifeform: even nsa 'gs-9' grunt get parking spot. (phunphakt: ft meade - world's largest parking lot.) [21:09]
mircea_popescu: how easy this guy has it you know, he declares everything under him = 0, then never has to be confronted with a "hey, change places". [21:10]
mircea_popescu: oral gymnastics! [21:10]
asciilifeform: i only can disagree with this one bit, i know of no wage slave who does not get parking spot, the auto is holy in these lands. [21:10]
mircea_popescu: so you don't know. what of it ? [21:11]
mircea_popescu: they do exist. [21:11]
asciilifeform: i can believe this purely on faith. [21:11]
mircea_popescu: gotta park on the street, by the meter. no space in parking lot. and no garage. [21:11]
asciilifeform: having never met these folk in any capacity. [21:11]
asciilifeform: even the quasi-legal mexican janitors at every place i ever worked, got to park. [21:11]
mircea_popescu: well cuz they make minwage+1 / 2 and own two button down shirts. [21:11]
asciilifeform: at any rate, unless the mit link is enemy propaganda and wholly fictitious, gavin doesn't even ~need~ a car [21:13]
asciilifeform: he sits pretty in his nice house and collects payolade. [21:13]
mircea_popescu: he certainly knows of this thing you can't even conceive. [21:14]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gavin gets to lease a car, because he's got that Union job at the mill. PAID LUNCH! [21:14]
mircea_popescu: << sweet ride in question, almost identical item, for the curious. [21:14]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: from where did you get the notion that he leased a car, or knew what it is like to be denied even parking space, etc. ? [21:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link appears to be dead [21:15]
mircea_popescu: no ?! [21:15]
asciilifeform: aha. [21:15]
asciilifeform: socket - hangs. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: [21:16]
asciilifeform: this worx. [21:16]
asciilifeform: looks like a sov machine. [21:16]
mircea_popescu: quite ya [21:16]
asciilifeform: i think i had a toy one as a boy. [21:16]
mircea_popescu: hence the peacock value ya [21:16]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what the MIT/General Motors working set does. They've bought in on the mythos. [21:16]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i don't see how gavin is part of a set, ~no mit folk get to sit at home and collect money for nothing. [21:17]
asciilifeform: i'm not aware of any positions there which even include 100% tele. [21:17]
BingoBoingo: Then what does RMS do in his closet? [21:17]
asciilifeform: rms is not an employee of mit. [21:18]
asciilifeform: hasn't been since 1970s [21:18]
asciilifeform: afaik [21:18]
asciilifeform: note, gavin is not, either, according to the communique [21:18]
asciilifeform: he is a grantee [21:18]
asciilifeform: he is not an employee, does not clock hours or report to a boss, and is not - in as far as i can surmise - accountable to anyone, for anything he does. [21:19]
mircea_popescu: tis is so fucking stupid already... [21:19]
mircea_popescu: according to the data available, cow has best life. mkay! [21:20]
asciilifeform: he might be cow, but not at a farm, but in india. [21:20]
asciilifeform: running free, shitting everywhere it wants. [21:20]
mircea_popescu: where "cow" "farm" and "india" mean things i didn't even dream, but constructed tendentiously and ex post facto. [21:20]
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu tells me that the mit proclamation is a lie - i will believe him [21:21]
mircea_popescu: looky, there's nothing wrong with your hollywood inclination. it's, from what i hear, inescapable in first generation americans. nevertheless, it is not factual. [21:21]
asciilifeform: i would, in fact, like some handle on the factz [21:21]
asciilifeform: but where to get. [21:21]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, fuck the guy's wife ? [21:22]
mircea_popescu: see if she wants to borrow money. [21:22]
asciilifeform: he had a wife?! [21:22]
mircea_popescu: ffs. [21:22]
mircea_popescu: how did you figure gavin bell ended up andresen ? [21:23]
asciilifeform: waiwut [21:23]
asciilifeform: srsly?! [21:23]
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to get a handle on facts!!11 [21:23]
asciilifeform: holy fuq, what kinda bloke changes his name for the wife's ?! [21:24]
mircea_popescu: i bet you've not as much as looked at the schmuck's cv or anything ? just sat on ass and journalised ? [21:24]
mircea_popescu: this is shameful behaviour in adults!! [21:24]
asciilifeform: i dun have an intel agency!1111 [21:25]
mircea_popescu: o i c. [21:25]
mircea_popescu: well i guess a fantasy agency can substitute then! [21:25]
asciilifeform: My Arse (tm) is an oracle!111 not a lowly intelligence agency!11111 [21:28]
mircea_popescu: o i c. your arse is also solvent, which is more than can be said for him. [21:28]
asciilifeform: believe or not, it is presently. [21:28]
mircea_popescu: i know, i know. [21:28]
asciilifeform: to whom is the schmuck in debt, i wonder [21:29]
asciilifeform: to ndranghetta ? [21:29]
mircea_popescu: i dunno... mit-tron ? [21:29]
BingoBoingo: I haven't checked this. mircea_popescu do you know off hand if the Amherst city council position he holds has a stipend? [21:41]
mircea_popescu: nah. they never do. [21:41]
BingoBoingo: Around here even the tiniest towns do 1-3 kilodollars per anum [21:43]
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised. mass is very haughty like that. [21:44]
BingoBoingo: ic [21:45]
mircea_popescu: " At the October Meeting, Board members voted to award a gift membership to Gavin Andresen for his exceptional service working with our Bulletin Editor, Rebecca Fricke, on the League’s recently redesigned website, ." << i guess he gets 20 bucks in gift certs or somesuch. [21:51]
BingoBoingo: AJAHAHAHA [21:56]
BingoBoingo: Gift certificates to ??? [21:56]
mircea_popescu: no idea. some women's thing. [21:57]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I got out of my time machine and I've discovered some facebook posts from Gavin's future [21:59]
mike_c: hey phf - I heard you might be working on a log for this chan. is that true? [22:20]
mircea_popescu: afaik trinque also. [22:21]
mike_c: ah, cool. the more logs the merrier. [22:21]
phf: mike_c: yes [22:30]
phf: i should have it working over the weekend [22:30]
mike_c: nice. [22:31]
asciilifeform: phun phakt: ada has no shortcircuit evaluation of boolean exprs unless explicitly specified. [22:37]
mike_c: oh, interesting. so if x or y evaluates y regardless of x? [22:37]
phf: mike_c: i actually have an old version of log working, if you want to read the backlog [22:45]
mike_c: thanks! reading now. [22:46]
phf: mike_c: can also do this (warning for the paranoid people, inline enables inline images) [22:47]
phf: this is totally own dogfood, so bon appetite, but since the log is missing entirely, this will at least get people through until there's something more permanent [22:49]
mike_c: most importantly, the content is there. [22:50]
phf: the nick thingy does highlight by your nick, which is handy if you're trying to find mentions or conversations that you had [22:53]
mike_c: yeah. it's interesting. ctrl-f works too though [22:54]
phf: yeah, it's for rapid skimming on iphone :] [22:54]
phf: there's also back=numberofdays which loads backlog of numberofdays days [22:55]
phf: i.e. back=1 [22:55]
mike_c: what's the default? [22:55]
phf: today EST [22:56]
phf: back=1 would be today and yesterday est, etc. [22:56]
mike_c: ah. that is definitely useful [22:57]
phf: new version for public consumption has nav menu, etc. [22:57]
phf: also it doesn't re-parse txt files from file system on each page hit... [23:00]
phf: in other words i'll be surprised if it's still running when i wake up tomorrow [23:01]
* phf bbl [23:04]
mike_c: lol. well I'll be sure to finish reading it before I reload the page :) [23:06]
mircea_popescu: why not just make 1 day = 1 page liek sane people srsly. [23:06]
asciilifeform: why not fill width of screen, like sane people1111 [23:08]
mike_c: <+phf> this is totally own dogfood, so bon appetite, but since the log is missing entirely, this will at least get people through until there's something more permanent [23:11]
mike_c: obviously he reads it on his phone, so it probably does fill his screen. [23:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform BingoBoingo since you two seemed to give a shit or w/e, [23:58]
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