Forum logs for 31 Jul 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: !!up guest846723 [01:07]
deedbot: guest846723 voiced for 30 minutes. [01:07]
mircea_popescu: alf wins -- the vith chapter is also the last. [01:39]
mircea_popescu: rothbard's a fucktard wtf is wrong with people. [01:40]
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trinque: the libertarian derps that talk about him, mises, et al, apparently get their fill of social interaction renting a conference room in a shitty hotel, eating terrible food, listening to Ron Paul or whoever doublefirstname speaks. [01:52]
trinque: always the soothing words of mother. "you're special, and you *deserve* to be *free*!" [01:52]
mircea_popescu: none of that is a crime, but it'd help if the content was above mlm sales team prep fodder. [01:53]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> none of that is a crime, but it'd help if the content was above mlm sales team prep fodder. << How else is an ECONOMIST supposed to make money? [01:56]
deedbot: << Trilema - The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray N Rothbard. Adnotated. Part VI (A Crusoe Social Philosophy) [01:57]
BingoBoingo: [02:29]
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mod6: mornin [10:44]
shinohai: <<< spam the ethereum db with tits [10:53]
mod6: fill it up [11:00]
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> << i lel'd [11:00]
mircea_popescu: !!up crustdoggitydog [11:52]
deedbot: crustdoggitydog voiced for 30 minutes. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: !!up guest846723 [11:56]
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BingoBoingo: Herr BeeDog Returns! [12:44]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> 'Broadpwn is a fully remote attack against Broadcom’s BCM43xx family of WiFi chipsets, which allows for code execution on the main application processor in both Android and iOS.' [12:45]
asciilifeform: 'During the early 2000s, self-propagating malware – or “worms” – were common. But the advent of DEP and ASLR largely killed off remote exploitation, and Conficker (2008) will be remembered as the last self-propagating network worm. We will revive this tradition by turning Broadpwn into the first WiFi worm for mobile devices, and the first public network worm in eight years.' supposedly. [12:45]
asciilifeform: comes with enough code snippet to, i suspect, reproduce, if there is something to reproduce. [12:45]
asciilifeform: they do not, for some reason, display on, so here is full txt, [12:46]
mircea_popescu: not bad, a mobile phone recall. saved the auto industry from bankruptcy for almost a decade. [12:47]
mircea_popescu: i suppose, by that guiderline, next there's going to be a phone emissions standards agency ? [12:47]
asciilifeform: 'Running an Alfa wireless adapter on monitor mode for about an hour in a crowded urban area, we’ve sniffed hundreds of SSID names in Probe Request packets. Of these, approximately 70% were using a Broadcom WiFi chip ...' [12:47]
mircea_popescu: sounds probable. [12:48]
asciilifeform: most newer laptop etc also. [12:48]
asciilifeform: and unsurprisingly 0 'mainstream' noose re subj [12:49]
asciilifeform: ( last i saw ) [12:49]
asciilifeform: the original piece is 4+ d. old [12:49]
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike observing "no opera composed on the subject". [12:49]
asciilifeform: aaha [12:49]
asciilifeform: 'we'll close our eyes and it will go away' is the idea, i suspect [12:49]
mircea_popescu: first off operas have their own range of topics second off people writing them died long ago and third off who cares. [12:50]
asciilifeform: 'Samsung’s Shannon modems are prevalent in most of the newer Samsungs Intel’s Infineon chips have taken over Qualcomm as the baseband for iPhone 7 and above and MediaTek’s chips are a popular choice for lower cost Androids. And to top it off, Qualcomm is still dominant in higher end non-Samsung Androids.' << suggests a burn [12:52]
asciilifeform: or hm nm [12:52]
asciilifeform: that was re baseband [12:52]
asciilifeform: << ahahahaha even mircea_popescu's gas mask has limit [12:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 05:39 mircea_popescu: alf wins -- the vith chapter is also the last. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: certainly, i am a finite animal also. [12:56]
asciilifeform: << imho trinque nails it -- i find all of the 'libertarian' canon unpalatable in much the same way [12:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 05:52 trinque: always the soothing words of mother. "you're special, and you *deserve* to be *free*!" [12:56]
asciilifeform: preoccupation with imaginary entities ('rights' etc) and misc anglotardism [12:57]
mircea_popescu: last item in the series prolly worth reading, i dun wanna try and put in a sentence what i dun like about the guy. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. [12:57]
* asciilifeform read all of the parts [12:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's pretty miserable. i can readily see why liber which is it ? [12:58]
asciilifeform: libertardians [12:58]
mircea_popescu: liber-rothbards whatever are so poorly received by the anglo left. they prolly tried to read rothbard and fell over. [12:58]
mircea_popescu: in fact, the canon is shockingly dumb. there's that blavatsky-wannabe with her utterly unreadable 600 pages atlas thing. there's rothbard, which is about as terrible as trying to read [13:01]
asciilifeform: lol rand [13:01]
mircea_popescu: even scientology has better literature. [13:01]
* asciilifeform one time aficionado, read most (all?) of rand [13:01]
asciilifeform: then barfed [13:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're about on par [13:01]
mircea_popescu: but on literary grounds! wtf! she CANT WRITE. [13:01]
asciilifeform: but rand also has these chixy/'romance' elements that appeal to chix [13:01]
mircea_popescu: "battlestar galactica" is actually more accomplished, and this coming from a man who actually despises tolkien, let alone rando pulper. [13:02]
asciilifeform: with one aryan uberman outcockwidthing the next, then the next, etc [13:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not so sure this appeals to chix. [13:02]
asciilifeform: 'atlas' even has a tmsr-like item in it [13:02]
asciilifeform: complete with the morally necessary pirate [13:02]
mircea_popescu: they all have "tmsr-like" items in them! [13:02]
mircea_popescu: tell you what : jules verne has a radio-like item in it, doesn't make it good writing. [13:02]
asciilifeform: tru [13:03]
mircea_popescu: clarke fucking invented satellites, he still writes like a sophomore. [13:03]
asciilifeform: in more interesting olds, << super-h, a VERY nice arch, slowly comes back to life [13:04]
asciilifeform: it is no accident that the gcc wreckers are now removing support for it [13:04]
mircea_popescu: what's so nice about it ? [13:04]
asciilifeform: a number of things [13:04]
mircea_popescu: ah, open processor huh. [13:04]
asciilifeform: yes, but not quite so bare-bones as, e.g., schoolbook mips [13:05]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [13:05]
asciilifeform: (has, e.g., pipeline, and fpu ) [13:05]
asciilifeform: i've historically been a fan of superh [13:05]
mircea_popescu: risc, sadly. [13:05]
asciilifeform: has fixed-length instrs, for instance [13:05]
asciilifeform: it's really a risc 'in name only', has couple of 100 instr [13:05]
mircea_popescu: a [13:05]
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that linked d00dz stuffed it in 60% of cheap xilinx (lx9, i have a pile of'em) [13:06]
asciilifeform: betcha with some actual sweat, one could get it smaller. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, japanese item from the glory days. [13:06]
asciilifeform: for completeness, i will point out that the original is apparently STILL in production, goes for about 20bux usd in qty [13:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: smaller fpga, i mean [13:06]
mircea_popescu: a [13:07]
asciilifeform: ( an lx9 is also about 20bux ) [13:07]
mircea_popescu: yes yes, the dreamcast chip. [13:07]
mircea_popescu: i am now remembering this. [13:07]
asciilifeform: the sh2, which is still massively made, beats the mips micros available on open market in ability to run from external rom [13:07]
asciilifeform: which is something i've searched far and wide for [13:07]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: saturn [13:08]
asciilifeform: dreamcast had the 64bit variant [13:08]
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was in teh dreamcast. [13:08]
asciilifeform: (sadly out of print, afaik) [13:08]
mircea_popescu: ah [13:08]
asciilifeform: the superh was massaged to death by the orig authors, who licensed the patent (expired last yr) to number of firms, for megabux [13:09]
asciilifeform: it was a popular chip, in high end sound equipment, early wince horrors, various appliances [13:09]
asciilifeform: ~very~ respectable performance. (esp per watt) [13:11]
asciilifeform: 'the vanilla 4.7 kernel should support this board, as should Rich Felker's musl-libc toolchain.' << bonus [13:12]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [13:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, the ~only actually interesting point the rothbard expedition yielded hasn't much at all to do with rothbard, of course. [13:13]
mircea_popescu: have you been misrepresented ? [13:13]
asciilifeform: dun think so [13:13]
asciilifeform: it's a valid observation [13:13]
mircea_popescu: aite. [13:13]
asciilifeform: and in fact the contradiction rears its head in every item asciilifeform works on [13:14]
asciilifeform: 'must have sufficients, but cannot have infinites' [13:14]
mircea_popescu: an evidently pregnant matter. [13:14]
asciilifeform: it's the razor blade ffa walks on [13:14]
asciilifeform: imho the lesson thus far has been 'the only attainable thing that gives sufficients without attempting infinities, is the expectation-adjuster' [13:15]
mircea_popescu: actually, the lordship also has. [13:15]
asciilifeform: even the 'ffaishness' of ffa has certain natural limits. gcd, for instance, is not constanttimeable [13:16]
asciilifeform: by the nature of the op [13:16]
mircea_popescu: hence the constant "you can either make it foolproof or else make it lordship only". which is how bots work etc. [13:16]
asciilifeform: ( fortunately it is not used in rsa other than in primality test during key gen. but is quite irritating a fact ) [13:16]
asciilifeform: previous 'expectation-adjusters' include : v [13:21]
asciilifeform: i suspect that subsequent ones, will have similar flavour [13:21]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> liber-rothbards whatever are so poorly received by the anglo left. they prolly tried to read rothbard and fell over. << AHA, this IS the anglophone problem. Not much in the language that isn't worse than Rothbard. English gives you Twain, William James, and Shakespeare. Everthing else is translated into the language. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: he could FUCKING LEARN A LANGUAGE you know. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: it's not like it kills people. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: i don't fucking understand this nonsense. they know smoking kills, and still smoke. this -- i can see. they know alcohol is bad for you, yet still drink. so do i. they are aware television ruins your eyesight, and still watch it. i don't, but surely not for that reason. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: but then they guard themselves against learning a new tongue like it's the fucking plague. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: nobody yet has died of learning a foreign language! it's the most benign activity conceivable. [13:30]
mircea_popescu: that aside, there's also dunne, and fucking huxley. who, while not some sort of proustian pinnacle of english, AT LEAST CAN FUCKING HOLD HIS OWN. [13:33]
BingoBoingo: Shhhhhhh, I thought we were shitting on language [13:33]
mircea_popescu: this is what i want. we gotta produce some literature at the lest on the level of huxley, or else liberty will forever be oppressed by the komodo dragon breath of rand and rothbard and whatnot talented poets of the silver tay. [13:33]
mod6: << agreed, this does not flow/read very well. [13:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 17:01 mircea_popescu: but on literary grounds! wtf! she CANT WRITE. [13:41]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [13:42]
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mircea_popescu: mod6 bardiche-built [13:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the modern ( and it is a recent, afaik , thing ) anglo phobia of languages, remains a puzzler to asciilifeform [13:43]
mircea_popescu: if early colonists had built houses in the manner libertarian authors write, boston would have consisted of a length of shore on which brick had randomly landed, thrown ashore from ships on which the powder was set ablaze. [13:43]
asciilifeform: esp since civilized euro langs are eminently learnable [13:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and esp since most of these people still went to school in an environment where you either learned BOTH latin and greek or else flunked. [13:44]
BingoBoingo: [13:44]
asciilifeform: evidently they 'learned' their greek in the way modern anglotards 'learn' things [13:44]
asciilifeform: 'for exam' and that's it [13:45]
mircea_popescu: augustus, who was a fucking emperor not one of these rando twerks moving from mercury, minessota to new york to "find their forture" in the pages of the nyt, and therefore FUCKING BUSY not to mention about as untalented as they are, still COULD WRITE. [13:45]
mircea_popescu: not like a literary genius, but like an educated human for the love of fuck. [13:45]
mod6: BingoBoingo: sfyl [13:46]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what is "a separate same machine" ? [13:47]
BingoBoingo: No idea, sounds like someone less busy than caesar? [13:48]
phf: << cc asciilifeform, i came accros that dmt guide that i was talking about in my archives [14:03]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 16:57 phf: used to be one of the first image hits for "dmt synthesis", a screenshot of a chanboard poast of making dmta "out of household objects" [14:03]
phf: i don't remember the context of the conversation, but it's been on my desktop for a while, presented here for the lulz [14:04]
mircea_popescu: aka errowind "noman TEK". [14:04]
mircea_popescu: etc [14:05]
phf: well, artifact is presented here also for its peculiar lulzy nature: the "guide" is distributed as a gif screenshot of a chan thread of a step by step follow along breakdown etc etc [14:06]
mircea_popescu: and then people "don't remember what solvent they used" the first time and "about 15+ hours he would say" etcetera. [14:07]
mircea_popescu: pillhead chemistry is a whole 'nother thing. tempting today to just call them redditards, but in fact before reddit welcomed them all into their proper home they existed just the same, dispersed in the population and unnamed [14:07]
phf: "Занимательная химия" [14:08]
mircea_popescu: just like before myspace gave all the fatties a central repository where to deposit their myspace pics, they still took them, and mostly put them on tripods. [14:08]
mircea_popescu: phf ro equiv was "X pentru toti", ie "chemistry for all" [14:08]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1745...7923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( FR) [14:09]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...3237 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( FR) [14:09]
mircea_popescu: but "zanimated chemistry" works pretty well also. zanimatelnaya, a portmanteau of zany and animation. [14:09]
phf: zanimated chemistry is a edutainment broadcast out of new york with thomas dolby as a host teaching you how to make prank bombs out of house hold supplies [14:12]
mircea_popescu: also hold bombs out of house prank supplies. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: it is ever so slighlty strange that all those zealots of brain expansion don't apply the procedure to more easily replaced item. "this is my car i ... expaned its cylinders. this was my blender i ... expanded its vase. this is my bed the reason it consists of four chunks of poliurethane is that i expanded its surface" and so on. [14:15]
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : this is not a synthesis!!! it is an extraction [14:17]
mircea_popescu: awww [14:17]
asciilifeform: so certainly not 'from household material' lol [14:17]
phf: :D [14:17]
asciilifeform: needs rare vegetable matter [14:17]
mircea_popescu: you mean to tell me these are different ? [14:17]
mircea_popescu: but i didn't use sodium bicarbonate. [14:18]
phf: i actually don't know if it's synthesis or an extraction because didn't read the whole thing, but i thought that there's a synthesis step further in [14:19]
mircea_popescu: a synthesis step ? [14:19]
mircea_popescu: anyway. afaik dmt synthesis goes tryptophan -> tryptamine -> dimethyltryptamine. [14:21]
phf: well, in the first step you're not extracting dmt, you're getting some intermediary that you then run synthesis with [14:22]
mircea_popescu: if you're going to go the plant route can just as well eat the damned things. there's thousands of different plants that naturally store it. [14:24]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik none 'naturally store' anything near an active dose [14:25]
mircea_popescu: of course they do. [14:25]
mircea_popescu: the whole religious practice of the amason basin is based on this. [14:25]
asciilifeform: 'ayahuasca' ? [14:26]
mircea_popescu: for instance. and some mimosa and psychotria and so on [14:26]
asciilifeform: iirc it was not properly documented, what active ingredient was, and where it grows. [14:26]
phf: well, i'm wrong they use mimosa hostilis which contains 1.5% dmt (and yes same shit that they use to cook ayahuasca) [14:26]
* asciilifeform evidently out of date on subj [14:26]
mircea_popescu: phf afaik it was m. tenouflora. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the date is 1950s. hungarian dood researched this extensively. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you think Daisies was made :D [14:27]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole shtick with the "extraction" is because ingested dmt gets reduced metabolically, so one's stuck ingesting enough to overwhelm the monoamine oxidase pathway. but instead of doing all the dumb shit with shot glasses and eating formaldehyde and whatnot, one could just take lifril and be about the same place. [14:31]
asciilifeform: wassat [14:31]
mircea_popescu: antidepressant, a sort of russki prozac let's say. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: but otherwise reversible MA inhibitor. [14:31]
asciilifeform: these tend to kill unprepared schucks [14:32]
asciilifeform: ( 'cheese effect' etc ) [14:32]
asciilifeform: *schmucks [14:32]
mircea_popescu: less toxic than whatever's in their "i can't recall what solvent i used" preparations. [14:32]
asciilifeform: also ~unobtainium in monkeylandia [14:32]
mircea_popescu: eh, you can smuggle it just fine, have a doctor's recipe and a pharmacy receipt. nobody knows jack shit about anything, that's the fundamental principle of statehood. [14:33]
asciilifeform: i meant that it is probably out of print at this point [14:33]
mircea_popescu: not afaik [14:33]
mircea_popescu: possible. lessee [14:34]
mircea_popescu: << apparently not [14:34]
asciilifeform: interesting [14:34]
mircea_popescu: take quarter pill. its clearance is in the week-ish range. get yourself a pile of which grows wild pretty much everywhere, and start chewing leaves. [14:35]
mircea_popescu: do a small amount over time, you got a whole week to play with. [14:35]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu personally tried this..? [14:36]
mircea_popescu: no. nor does he intend to. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: nor has he also personally tried cure for gonorhea. [14:36]
asciilifeform: didn't think so [14:36]
mircea_popescu: (in other "statehood is the state of clueleness" lulz : florida made tyramine a schedule i drug in all concentrations, mixtures or presentations. in other words it's not legal to own cheese, or baker's yeast, or rotten fruit in the state of florida) [14:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is the rupharma randomly picked link, or mircea_popescu used ? it's one of the few greymarket pharma shops claiming to take btc [14:38]
mircea_popescu: i have an intel. [14:38]
asciilifeform: yes but intel only read it on www, or tried buying ? do they in fact ship ? [14:39]
asciilifeform: ( anyhtings ) [14:39]
asciilifeform: i saw it before, assumed btc blackhole. [14:39]
mircea_popescu: intel is a vague thing, constructs lists of truths. afaik did not actually order above item, no. [14:39]
asciilifeform: aite [14:40]
asciilifeform: afaik most 'online pharma' whatevers, are simple blackholes for coin. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: about 50-50 i would say. [14:40]
asciilifeform: ( you pay, 0 package, and they will say 'your customes stole it' ) [14:40]
mircea_popescu: certainly i'm not endorsing the biz, wtf. [14:40]
asciilifeform: *customs [14:40]
asciilifeform: i dun endorse any of'em, afaik 0 in wot. [14:41]
phf: i did buy some stuff in online pharma (was buying desloratadine, which for whatever reason is prescription only in us) [14:41]
mircea_popescu: exactly. [14:41]
asciilifeform: phf: what was result ? [14:41]
mircea_popescu: phf because womenz. [14:41]
asciilifeform: btc in, reasonable approximation of $item out ?? [14:41]
phf: asciilifeform: 1 in 3 [14:42]
asciilifeform: phf: 1 in 3 firms sent actual item ? [14:42]
phf: or maybe 1 in 4, yes [14:42]
asciilifeform: maybe say which ? [14:42]
phf: will do, i'll check the email archives when i'm home [14:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're not going to lose you to hay chewing now are we ? [14:43]
phf: :D [14:43]
* asciilifeform has relatives that use orc pharma, and they rely on 'so and so is flying in $month' etc [14:43]
phf: asciilifeform needs his парацетамольчик before bed [14:44]
mircea_popescu: imo this is the correct way. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: courriers > "online business". [14:44]
phf: ^ [14:44]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it is ever so slighlty strange that all those zealots of brain expansion don't apply the procedure to more easily replaced item. "this is my car i ... expaned its cylinders. this was my blender i ... expanded its vase. this is my bed the reason it consists of four chunks of poliurethane is that i expanded its surface" and so on. << They DO this [14:45]
mircea_popescu: damn [14:45]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but otherwise reversible MA inhibitor. << AHA USia only has irreversible MAOIs, except selegiline which is for Micheal J Fox disease [14:47]
mircea_popescu: they're cheap and readily available though, was my point. [14:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was behind 'because womentz' out of curiosity? [14:48]
mircea_popescu: rather than go through all the dubiosity of "extraction" because you think some sit com was great, it is biologically cheaper to just eat the plant and inhibit ma. [14:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he didn't know why antihistaminics are behind the glass in the us. they are behind the glass because women specifically tend to both overtake them and are vulnerable to them. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: it's not clear quite how much and why etc. but us is nothing if it's not flordia. [14:49]
BingoBoingo: Yeah few things cheaper than Phenelzine [14:49]
asciilifeform: last i was in a pharmacy, loratidine was sold behind no glass, buy by the bucket if you want. [14:49]
asciilifeform: ( expensive, however. ) [14:50]
mircea_popescu: practice relaxes the organ. [14:50]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform he didn't know why antihistaminics are behind the glass in the us. they are behind the glass because women specifically tend to both overtake them and are vulnerable to them. << Nah decongestants behind glass because meth [14:50]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: subj is not an ephedrine [14:50]
mircea_popescu: that also. tho phf's item of choice isn't, afaik, on that list. [14:50]
asciilifeform: sorta the point, opens the sinus without being adrenergic [14:50]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Often packaged together "loratidine D" is loratadine + pseudoephedrine, behind counter [14:51]
asciilifeform: nuts [14:51]
BingoBoingo: Pointing out the confusion comes from being lumped into class of "cold medicines" [14:52]
BingoBoingo: Anyways the one class of drugs which is relatively safe mixed with MAOIs is... AMPHETAMINES! [14:53]
phf: asciilifeform: desloratadine is a loratadine metabolite, it's not over the counter [14:53]
asciilifeform: phf: what's the win from this vs original ? [14:54]
BingoBoingo: desloratadine is a patent extender, so gotta raep the Obamacare piggy while they can [14:54]
phf: asciilifeform: no idea, placebo presumably, original doesn't work for me [14:54]
asciilifeform: lol! [14:54]
asciilifeform: and metabolite, will!? [14:55]
asciilifeform: ( if this worked, 'drinking morarji-cola' would be a pharma-active practice ) [14:55]
mircea_popescu: without prejudice to extant practice : people who are willing to slowly suicide in the swamp will sometimes develop psycho-somatic reactions to the indignity. they tend to medicate them, through a trial-and-error approach, which is half bad luck and half placebo effect, instead of taking long hard look at why the fuck their eyes water every time they have to behold another instance of the same stable of idiots [14:56]
mircea_popescu: and get the fuck out of dodge. [14:56]
BingoBoingo: loratidine never tested better than placedo at approved dose, work only above approved dose, but then side effects... [14:56]
* mircea_popescu did not take nor personally intends to take EITHER the ayahuasca OR the cough drops. and for the same fucking reasons. [14:56]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as you know, 80 (90?) % of swamp inhabitants, 'medicated' [14:57]
asciilifeform: for various. [14:57]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: as you know, 80 (90?) % of swamp inhabitants, 'medicated' << For very good reason. Shifts blame from lizards to their diseases. [14:57]
mircea_popescu: i mean specifically this "doctor doesn't understand my allergies and i have this one blanky that works" attitude. it's very common, and the point is : it is very common in a) intelligent people of a technical inclination b) working in shitistans. [14:57]
mircea_popescu: the fact that blue collar / orcs do not get the same problems is a clear indication of their non-medical nature. [14:58]
asciilifeform: it is not the case that they do not [14:58]
asciilifeform: the 'blue collar' folx -- now very very medicated. as documented by tlp. [14:58]
mircea_popescu: i've not seen the "system designer's allergy" in anyone but. [14:58]
asciilifeform: moar psycho than allergy [14:58]
mircea_popescu: no, moar "this place is shit" than anything. [14:59]
asciilifeform: yes , speaking of choice of poison [14:59]
asciilifeform: the blue collar folx do moar 'ups' and 'downs' than antihistamines [14:59]
mircea_popescu: it's a horrid abuse of intelligence, to use it to dumb self to own body. [14:59]
asciilifeform: !#s tooth licking [15:00]
a111: 1 result for "tooth licking", [15:00]
asciilifeform: hm [15:00]
asciilifeform: naggum's phrase [15:00]
mircea_popescu: link ? [15:01]
asciilifeform: the archive dun find [15:02]
mircea_popescu: darn. i'd have liked to read naggum on this. [15:02]
asciilifeform: it's in the buried usenet archives, in the bunkers!11 [15:02]
asciilifeform: but idea was roughly same as what causes 'alices' [15:03]
asciilifeform: a sort of destructive introspection [15:03]
mircea_popescu: hm. [15:03]
asciilifeform: << found. [15:04]
mircea_popescu: aty [15:04]
phf: naggum who died from a mystery gut condition [15:05]
mircea_popescu: ikr ? [15:05]
asciilifeform: phf: afaik not mystery [15:05]
mircea_popescu: he is recognizable expert on topic. [15:05]
asciilifeform: and incidentally almost certainly died from the anti-inflammatories he self-medicated with [15:05]
mircea_popescu: dude was so fucking smart he managed to not notice he had ulcer. possibly the most painful condition available. [15:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's his point. [15:05]
asciilifeform: noticed. didn't care. [15:05]
mod6: 'boiling the shadow of a pigeon starved to death' << heh [15:09]
mircea_popescu: this naggum piece is an absolutely fine diagnosis of the whole "needs creation" usgistani "marketing" thing. "raise awareness" "educate the public", etc [15:11]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the problem here is the reverse : "my eyes will jump out of my head if they have to read a single other page of this rothbard best i stop that and go build eye cages" [15:13]
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate that the only way they even got this far, having read all those books they had to read to be able to discuss something interesting in science today, as opposed to 1700 and all the time doing definitionally boring shit in the lab (because it's NOT "i can't recall what the solvent was" it is therefore boring!) is by subduing the natural voice saying "fuck this shit, let's go roll in the grass under the apple [15:16]
mircea_popescu: tree with the nude sluts". [15:16]
mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS. the voice of nature is to be silenced in school, not forevermore. not in life. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: at some point you're going to choke if you aspirate just one god damned single further corpuscle of calcium carbionate and you are going to strangle the next pubescent dicklet who imagines he invented novel problems and solutions through tracing the biological trace. THAT is when it's time to drop them all and go away. [15:18]
trinque: reminds me of the thread re: whether intelligent folks can be said to be intelligent if they can't translate themselves to moron. [15:20]
trinque: gotta also know how to operate the meat robot your brain's sitting in, which involves taking a shit regularly, etc [15:20]
mircea_popescu: or at least have a plan! "im not taking a shit now because i will THEN, and i have in point of fact checked and the plan is sound" [15:21]
mircea_popescu: none of this by-seat-of-pants adhockery. [15:21]
mod6: heheh [15:22]
deedbot: << Qntra - Broadcom Chips Vulnerable To Remote Attack [15:22]
mircea_popescu: nice bb. [15:22]
asciilifeform: ooh neato [15:22]
BingoBoingo: In other news, Trump's latest communications adviser has served his purpose, being replaced [15:42]
asciilifeform: << observe that naggum did in fact go-away... [15:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 19:18 mircea_popescu: at some point you're going to choke if you aspirate just one god damned single further corpuscle of calcium carbionate and you are going to strangle the next pubescent dicklet who imagines he invented novel problems and solutions through tracing the biological trace. THAT is when it's time to drop them all and go away. [15:44]
asciilifeform: to his nearest away. [15:44]
asciilifeform: which is , i suspect, most folx's [15:44]
asciilifeform: nearest and only. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: it's unclear to me this is how it goes. the two options are "norway -- hell" ? really ? [15:45]
asciilifeform: whereas i can very easily picture it. [15:45]
BingoBoingo: Well, Norway is right next to hell [15:45]
mircea_popescu: he couldn't, eg, have been a syrian geodesic engineer. or a lebanese partizan. or a central asian goat herd. [15:46]
mircea_popescu: there was something in his blood preventing each and every possible alternative. [15:46]
asciilifeform: iirc he tried being an american engineer [15:46]
asciilifeform: and barfed [15:46]
mircea_popescu: i taught briefly and went away. and was romanian and left. and so on and so forth, dozens of different "Beings". but this is just my blessing as mp poor unfortunate naggum has been so cursed, as to only have two options. [15:46]
asciilifeform: ( he was there for ~7y and right up to bush-II election ) [15:47]
mircea_popescu: similarily, i have had women, of many kinds and types and speaking various languages and on and on. but not huxley. he, cursed, ONLY ONE! and if she was a dumb slut -- he, therefore, convicted. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: wtf is this post-victorian romanticistic bullshit. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: cock is so made to fit most holes. [15:47]
asciilifeform: can debate forever who has what options. but the notion that everyone has every option, is batshit. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: yet the notion that "only option" is MORE batshit. [15:48]
asciilifeform: most folx are poor as church mice and extremely -- and thereby -- loss-averse [15:48]
mircea_popescu: stupidity is not a legitimate "option limiter". [15:48]
asciilifeform: aahahalol, 2 settings on the dial nao, ' mircea_popescu ' and ' stupidity ' [15:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the loss adversity of the poor does not go well with an otherwise functional mind such as naggum displays. [15:49]
asciilifeform: sure it does [15:49]
mircea_popescu: how ? [15:49]
asciilifeform: can be arbitrarily 'functional mind' and arbitrarily poor, when pantsuits rob you of even the notion that there is such a thing as not being robbed [15:49]
mircea_popescu: you know, the idiot is not the liar, but the believer. [15:50]
* asciilifeform for instance does not expect to ever live to not be robbed [15:50]
mircea_popescu: hey, i got robbed earlier, these tiny ants on my balcony ate a sliver of tuna. [15:50]
mod6: if they can they must [15:50]
asciilifeform: yeah now picture a 'planet of ants' where agriculture is a laughable idea because anything remotely concentrated gets devoured in an hour [15:51]
mircea_popescu: but yes, you will not live to not be robbed, seeing how gut disinfection ~= death. [15:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevermind the theory. guy could have fucking hopped in a plan to ulaan baator and be raising his own goats within a fortnight. [15:51]
asciilifeform: lulzily this is rather like what the socialists preach -- 'we are like your gut bacteria, there For Your Own Good, and it ain't robbery' neh [15:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but the fact that they aren't what they preach doesn't mean the thing they preach being isn't there. [15:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: life with goats in goatfuckistan is not -- to naggum, evidently, and just the same to asciilifeform -- life [15:52]
asciilifeform: it's a type of slow death [15:52]
mircea_popescu: except it isn't. [15:52]
asciilifeform: to mircea_popescu . [15:52]
asciilifeform: ( who, last i saw, was not yet herding goats either ) [15:52]
mircea_popescu: this is the point of all magic act : not to "disappear", but to replace. naggum's idiocy is in having bought the sleigh of hand, whereby "life not worth living" was switrched for life, AND VICE VERSA. [15:52]
mircea_popescu: really, life with the goats not worth living ? says who the fuck ? [15:53]
asciilifeform: wai no goats in mircea_popescu's house ? [15:53]
asciilifeform: ( or are they new ? ) [15:53]
mircea_popescu: well, i had them in egypt. but obviously any finite house wiull not contain all infinities the mind can conjure up. no room. [15:54]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu just as a very high quality of goats [15:54]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, I do not believe ~MY~ life would not be worth living because of the god damned goats, in presence or absence. [15:54]
asciilifeform: it ain't the goats [15:54]
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein my life is perfectly fine with or without anything. [15:54]
mircea_popescu: because it's my life, not the processing of my wife and her children and my favourite tv shows and my parking lot and my red stapler. ffs. [15:55]
asciilifeform: afaik mircea_popescu never once in entire life experienced anything like the garden variety lack of options of even a typical 1st world slave [15:55]
mircea_popescu: well no, mp was never fucked in the head. [15:55]
asciilifeform: even sans fishwife and fishchildren and fishjob -- ~0 options . [15:55]
mircea_popescu: what lack of options ? TODAY, any such "slave" could readily [15:56]
asciilifeform: this #includes various skills that most folx dun have. [15:56]
asciilifeform: this scenario. [15:56]
trinque: what, running up your credit cards? [15:56]
mircea_popescu: includes jack. [15:56]
asciilifeform: ( you land with a btc key and clothes on your back in orcistan. nao wat. ) [15:56]
mircea_popescu: "we can't have a baby until we built a baby room" is NOT A SKILL [15:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao you find a girl and live with her a while. [15:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you forgot 1st step : 'put out your parachute, cut straps, roll up' [15:57]
mircea_popescu: i thought you just got there by bus, like normal people. [15:58]
mircea_popescu: why not bus ? [15:58]
asciilifeform: bus dun go on ocean? [15:58]
* mircea_popescu was never worried about the "parachute" "sikrit agents". the only ones who were ever dangerous were the bus riding sort. [15:58]
BingoBoingo: Or lawnmower, or toyota [15:58]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oslo to ulaan-batoor, bus to goat-town, 3rd on left. [15:58]
phf: funny how lack of agency works: "mp: look at me do all the things you think is impossible! others: mp is so great, he can do things nobody else can!" [15:59]
mircea_popescu: isn't it thought! [15:59]
mircea_popescu: though* [15:59]
asciilifeform: phf: i dun recall any stories from a slave-less and money-less mp [15:59]
asciilifeform: other than 'the other kidz in class worshipped me' [15:59]
asciilifeform: well suppose they hadn't. [15:59]
mircea_popescu: suppose they hadn't. [15:59]
BingoBoingo: RoComm still falls [16:00]
mircea_popescu: what, you think a bunch of anodyne dorks made me, what is this. [16:00]
mircea_popescu: mp, the product of his mom and dad and the kids in school and stuff on the tv! [16:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno, the 8999 other, less long-lived mircea_popescus, made. [16:00]
mircea_popescu: what was i doing during all this ? playing tables ? [16:00]
asciilifeform: !#s everett [16:01]
a111: 29 results for "everett", [16:01]
mircea_popescu: looky here : it is very true that an african is going to perform worse than a caucasian. i have, like everyone, had ample opportunity to verify this fact, either through literature review over dead africans or work evaluation over live ones. [16:01]
mircea_popescu: the REASON, however, is not that africans have shittier genes. i was able to verify their genes are just fine, with my dick. african genes make tall, pretty girls that fuck just as fine as white girls. and they even have better asses on average. [16:02]
mircea_popescu: the reason africans unerperform is that african culture is idiotic. it is. [16:02]
asciilifeform: this proves something?! [16:02]
asciilifeform: re anything other than gurl meat ?! [16:02]
mircea_popescu: watch girly that'd be a fine intellect believe "metaphysics" is dumbass pulp nonsense. why ? because her mom's a wizard don't you know, and her grandmother was a faith healer. [16:03]
mircea_popescu: it's the culture not the genes. [16:03]
mircea_popescu: now : africa was inhabited long before europe. and here we come upon the worrying fact of the matter : italians today are the dumbest shitheads conceivable, below the gypsies really. but... why ? [16:03]
mircea_popescu: egyptians are entirely fucking stupid. yet they taught us to make maps ? [16:04]
mircea_popescu: why was it china conquered by europe ? complex explanations about but how about the simple one [16:04]
asciilifeform: which egyptians? taught whom [16:04]
mircea_popescu: it was fucking older. and age stupefies. [16:04]
asciilifeform: the old egyptians ain't here no moar [16:04]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right. maybe they were invaded. but maybe they weren't ? maybe senescence is what turned the tall guys with slender noses into today's orcs. [16:04]
asciilifeform: where was the mircea_popescu with the accumulated-recessives thing [16:05]
asciilifeform: can't seem to turn it up in the logz [16:05]
mircea_popescu: for instance. or for whatever other reason. but the point here is -- don't trust your culture to be a monotonously positive item. it's not. [16:05]
asciilifeform: ( i also had difficulty picturing the short, shriveled orc fellas, invading an' winning ) [16:06]
mircea_popescu: ikr ? [16:06]
mircea_popescu: makes about as much sense as your being eaten by a frog. [16:06]
mircea_popescu: sure, frog is voracious, and it ~would~. but... really ? [16:06]
asciilifeform: interesting theory. i.e. place needs a rurik and dun get one in time. [16:06]
mircea_popescu: and the process through which it doesn't get it in time is, [16:07]
mircea_popescu: [16:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 19:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: life with goats in goatfuckistan is not -- to naggum, evidently, and just the same to asciilifeform -- life [16:07]
* mircea_popescu links here just in case. [16:08]
asciilifeform: hey sometimes even pro ruriks barf ( witness mircea_popescu in south amer ) [16:08]
mod6: people better get ready. if you can't see yourself herding goats, or fishing off a dock, or living in a cabin in the woods you've had an beyond-your-means "lifestyle" for far too long. it's coming to and end. [16:09]
mircea_popescu: no argument. but it helps if you reject the woman because you saw her naked, or you fucked her, or SOMETHING as opposed to barfing because okcupid scored her as 73. [16:09]
asciilifeform: mod6: everything comes to end. [16:09]
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'd rather phrase it as "you've been missing out on a lot of available joy". [16:09]
asciilifeform: mod6: which is why berlin philharmonic hands out the little pills [16:09]
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, perhaps so [16:10]
mircea_popescu: this is the brick wall in the middle class princess' life, oft depicted in say russian folk talkes and also known to shakespeare and beautifully brought to life by liz taylor. [16:10]
asciilifeform: ( what in '50s-present germany, i wonder, did the folx who took'em, miss out on ? that you'd want part of ) [16:10]
mod6: asciilifeform: opt-out, ah, sure. [16:10]
phf: i like the theory that general drying out of the region meant that people with resources left for better pastures, dumbasses stayed. so yeah, it's still egyptians, just bottom of the barrel [16:10]
mircea_popescu: "oh, married life is no sort of maiden life". well... don't worry your pretty head so much about it, the skin falls off. [16:10]
mircea_popescu: phf but why did they stay ? [16:10]
mod6: no need to though, just gotta be ready to embrase change at anytime [16:10]
phf: why does myself and asciilifeform stay in the swamp? [16:11]
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi why phf stays [16:11]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, cuz yo ubought into the "great inca will tell us what is true life" ? [16:11]
mod6: embrace. meanwhile, i'll have to embrace some literacy. hehe. [16:11]
mircea_popescu: lol [16:11]
mod6: you guys ever see the dudes fishing off the peer in .mx? or with nets in the shallows? [16:12]
asciilifeform: pier? [16:13]
mod6: that. ya [16:13]
mod6: try to picture yourself being that guy. [16:13]
asciilifeform: not been to mx. but seen same in usa [16:13]
mircea_popescu: and off the many bridges off the golden horn, also. and into the atlantic off buenos aires. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the problem, city man will do the moves, catch minnow's worth of polonium. [16:13]
mod6: my entire point is Air Conditioned life, as much as i like it myself != life [16:15]
* phf witnessed a massive hand trawling undertaking in kerala. 20-30 strong men from local village pulling the net by hand, tourists "participating" etc. the end result was maybe 5 tiny fishes altogether.. [16:15]
mod6: hey whatever, no one said it'd be easy. or profitable. [16:15]
asciilifeform: orcs have families, friends, etc. [16:16]
mod6: throw the damn thing back in, and try again. or find a new spot. [16:16]
asciilifeform: they dun work in unit of 1 [16:16]
mod6: where'd this defeatist shit come from anyway? [16:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever seen birthday girl ? [16:16]
asciilifeform: nein [16:16]
mircea_popescu: it's an ok-ish hollycrap movie with the redhead what's her name. anyway, the substance is she's a mail order ru bride, bought by a dickless briton. [16:16]
mircea_popescu: her boyfriend, and his friend follow along. and the boyfriend attempts to engage the fiance in the VERY typical, ritual dance of "making a friend". [16:17]
mircea_popescu: this scares the shit out of the brit. as it would NOT have scared his grandfather, but whatever. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: it's very easy to make orc friends. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: they, unlike you, understand they need one. [16:17]
* asciilifeform puts film on list [16:18]
mircea_popescu: (also, while we're at it : the "haughty" behaviour of low preference value ustard females, hair dressers and whatnot, where they roll their eyes and purport as if they're bothered by advances because that's what they imagine they must do, is also very much a function of food stamps.) [16:18]
asciilifeform: this is a wholly tru and much discussed among 'red pill reddit' etc , fact [16:19]
asciilifeform: 'they avoid cock because washingtondaddy' [16:19]
mircea_popescu: so then. making a friend where you raise the goats is a lot simpler than it may seem in a maryland parking lot. [16:19]
* trinque knows a guy whose brother fucked off to the woods in the states to raise alpacas, because why not, better than people [16:22]
mod6: werd to that [16:27]
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mod6: Also, maybe I'm wrong. Yellen said ``I don't believe we'll see another financial crisis in our lifetimes...'' [16:35]
trinque: hers maybe. she's not looking great. [16:35]
mod6: lol [16:36]
mod6: obv. we don't know yet, but if that isn't the "we've reached a perm plateau..." statement of our times, i don't know what is. [16:39]
BingoBoingo: Don't you know, Obama was supposed to lock America into a miserly 1.5% growth rate for ever!!! [17:00]
mod6: oh ya, silly me! haha [17:01]
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mircea_popescu: lel [17:36]
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finitemaz: Hello! To introduce myself... I'm an american structural engineer (if anyone cares about profession) living on the east coast [18:09]
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finitemaz: Do you need to know who my daddy is [18:09]
finitemaz: and what he does? [18:09]
BingoBoingo: Yes [18:10]
finitemaz: I have been reading a lot of the logs, and came to trilema basically from reading AnonyMints blog posts [18:10]
BingoBoingo: Now sit, stay, and roll over. [18:11]
asciilifeform: what's anonymints [18:11]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aged tardstalk account, apparently posts on altcoin attempt at making a reddit that pays like a Qntra [18:11]
finitemaz: BingoBoingo: is that the wrong reason to come to #trilema? [18:24]
ben_vulpes: finitemaz: dunno that there's a wrong reason to come to trilema [18:39]
BingoBoingo: !!Up finitemaz [18:40]
deedbot: finitemaz voiced for 30 minutes. [18:40]
BingoBoingo: Nah, just telling alf who the anonyminute guy is [18:40]
BingoBoingo: [18:46]
finitemaz: Not sure if I fell down a rabbit hole [19:05]
finitemaz: Morning has broken [19:06]
BingoBoingo: Maybe grab a shovel? [19:06]
finitemaz: Starting with a spoon [19:10]
BingoBoingo: !!Up finitemaz [19:11]
deedbot: finitemaz voiced for 30 minutes. [19:11]
BingoBoingo: Well, a shovel appropriate to what you are digging. [19:11]
finitemaz: What am I digging? [19:14]
BingoBoingo: That takes effort to find out. [19:16]
BingoBoingo: brb, sober time [19:18]
finitemaz: Time to quit my job? [19:19]
asciilifeform: Morning has broken << you'd better fix it!111 [19:24]
shinohai: finitemaz: You should register yer gpg key already ) [19:25]
mod6: ^ [19:28]
finitemaz: What does registering my gpg key do? [19:32]
shinohai: Allows you to !!up yourself and prove thy identity [19:34]
mod6: !!up f1maze [19:40]
deedbot: f1maze voiced for 30 minutes. [19:40]
f1maze: Pardon me, but GPG registering on IRC different than the nickserv command I remember using? [19:41]
shinohai: Yes, it is different. Bot commands are: [19:44]
shinohai: Or tldr paste thy public key to: then !!register <url> [19:44]
mod6: nice, beat me to it :] [19:45]
mod6: Also, f1maze, you'll find countless examples of people going through the motions on this in the logs if you need. [19:45]
f1maze: thanks [19:48]
mircea_popescu: can you believe this schmuck ? [19:49]
deedbot: << Daniel P. Barron - Gentoo Eulora Quest [19:49]
mod6: mircea_popescu: this guy has been trying over and over eh? [19:50]
mircea_popescu: no time to participate, all the time in the world to fuck with ips. [19:50]
mircea_popescu: ustardianism at its finest. [19:50]
mircea_popescu: got no time to talk to a girl, got all day to hang out on r/seduction or w/e the fuck. [19:51]
mod6: danielpbarron: heeeey! nice, thanks. i'll have to give this a try here one of these days. [19:51]
shinohai: You can have your very own Eulora-os laptop for 10 million copper (0.1 BTC) <<< Very enterprising, danielpbarron [19:51]
mircea_popescu: << so make a key, register with deedbot [19:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 22:10 finitemaz: I have been reading a lot of the logs, and came to trilema basically from reading AnonyMints blog posts [19:51]
mircea_popescu: does that include the laptop ? [19:52]
shinohai: !!up danielpbarron [19:53]
deedbot: danielpbarron voiced for 30 minutes. [19:53]
danielpbarron: yes. nothing special some old used thing off ebay [19:53]
mod6: huh, that's pretty sweet there. [19:53]
mircea_popescu: epic offer. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if you want to put up a reddit advertisement about it, i'll cover the first 0.1 btc you spend. [19:54]
danielpbarron: cool [19:55]
mircea_popescu: << bwhahaha, blue screen of morning. [19:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 23:24 asciilifeform: Morning has broken << you'd better fix it!111 [19:56]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, here's what i can't put to rest : it's not JUST fucking joseph smith, "o i heard them fine folks in rome have this religion thing, ima make one myself out of shit around my log cabin". he's one of the more ridiculous exponents, yes, but he's in no way marginal. not at all. murray rothbard is exactly "oh i heard them folks in paris have a philosophy, ima make one out of old shit in demolished us protest [20:03]
mircea_popescu: ant churches". [20:03]
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking country, it's not x or y. this is what america is, this tinkering bs. [20:03]
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's ``State Of Bitcoin Address'': [20:03]
mircea_popescu: works a damn sight better when it comes to taking a loud, large british tank and making a marginally acceptable if too late to matter sherman. [20:03]
mircea_popescu: take say... what, whatever, anything. take mabel dodge luhan, the us clone of anne louise benedicte de bourbon-conde, twpo centuries later. [20:07]
mircea_popescu: "In 1917 Dodge, her husband, and Elsie Clews Parsons moved to Taos, New Mexico, where she began a literary colony. On the advice of Tony Luhan, a Native American whom she would marry in 1923, she purchased a 12-acre (49,000 m2) property. Luhan set up a teepee in front of her house, drumming each night in an attempt to lure her to him. Although Sterne bought a shotgun with the intention of chasing Luhan off the property, unabl [20:07]
mircea_popescu: e to use it, he instead took to insulting Dodge. In response, she sent him away, although she supported him financially until the time of their divorce four years later." [20:07]
mircea_popescu: sounds about right, yes ? except dogs won't read the shit coming out of tepee, new mexico. but otherwise basically the same thing, right ? harvard can be university, just as good as european, neh ? [20:07]
shinohai: Gracias, mod6 [20:21]
mod6: De nada, shinohai. Thanks for your help! [20:30]
trinque: << apologies, this is going to take another weekend. the bot wallet service is done, but it occurs to me that it'd be wise to separate the OTP generation from the rest of the services. on one side, a big, complicated wonder of modern computing on the other, a simple box connected by serial port which can receive OTP requests, generate them, and confirm/ignore OTPs. [20:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 16:47 mircea_popescu: aaand trinque, incidentally, as it just occured to me -- can you get deedbot payments online by the end of the month ? seems somewhat likely usg is gonna turn off its "webwallet" bullshits from down. [20:34]
mircea_popescu: a well [20:35]
mircea_popescu: !!key f1maze [20:39]
deedbot: [20:39]
mircea_popescu: !!rate f1maze 1 [20:42]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 22:09 finitemaz: Hello! To introduce myself... I'm an american structural engineer (if anyone cares about profession) living on the east coast [20:42]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [20:42]
mircea_popescu: !!v EF206D71F581306AF305A2467D8CC872159998289AEB4563B3F9960B59E4EB0B [20:42]
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated f1maze 1 << [20:42]
mircea_popescu: f1maze you can self voice now. [20:42]
asciilifeform: << aka 'junkyard wars' [21:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-01 00:03 mircea_popescu: the whole fucking country, it's not x or y. this is what america is, this tinkering bs. [21:07]
mircea_popescu: never was anything else. [21:40]
mircea_popescu: babbage says the same thing, "oh, americans just wanted to know how they could rothbard this item" [21:41]
asciilifeform: it's == the 'lemme stick the fork in the mains socket' 'creativity' discussed by dutch. [21:41]
mircea_popescu: managed to confuse the plain absence of a higher cognitive function for a correctly functioning intellect because looked at it in a single case : one where correct function was to stfu. [21:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. [21:42]
mircea_popescu: i had this pet theory whereby ustards were not born tards, but made tards by the Great Spinster Revolt, "civil rights" and welfare state. [21:43]
shinohai: \o/ [21:43]
mircea_popescu: but im losing faith in such a notion. [21:43]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you had earlier theory where they never actually managed to grow a culture [21:43]
mircea_popescu: this is not so much a theory as a fact. they never did. [21:43]
asciilifeform: imho moar descriptive of the reality on the ground [21:43]
asciilifeform: aha [21:43]
mircea_popescu: but the cause, what be the cause. [21:43]
asciilifeform: nobody marvels why, e.g., french guiana, never grew a culture, for some reason. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: do you understand how fucking small that item is ? [21:44]
asciilifeform: turns out they're both small. in this sense. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: the french guyana is 30k sq miles, 1mn pop if that. [21:45]
mircea_popescu: roughly the size of chicago. [21:45]
mircea_popescu: hm. look at that. a TENTH of the population of chicago. [21:46]
f1maze: charlie lee talking bitcoin litecoin on cnbc.. I just spit out my drink on my keyboard [21:47]
f1maze: he even talked about dogecoin [21:47]
mircea_popescu: which is cnbc ? [21:47]
f1maze: some main stream news station [21:47]
mircea_popescu: oh. i thought for some reason "crypto network" blabla. [21:48]
f1maze: [21:48]
f1maze: cringeworthy [21:48]
asciilifeform: who the fuck is charlie lee [21:49]
shinohai: !!gettrust coblee [21:49]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: -1 by 1 connections. [21:49]
shinohai: ^ [21:49]
asciilifeform: some misc scum ? [21:49]
shinohai: liteshit [21:50]
f1maze: Yeah, apparently [21:50]
asciilifeform: did antonoupolus or whoever was the designated talking muppet, slip in the bath? [21:50]
shinohai: Sadly, no [21:50]
mircea_popescu: f1maze look at that, cnbc has no show in top 10 ratings, ditched nielesen in protest. lol. [21:52]
mircea_popescu: then again... check this shit out, us programming is dominated by "game of thrones", way the fuck ahead of disney and discovery channel. which, amusingly enough, are really competitors now. [21:53]
mircea_popescu: and who is rachel maddow [21:53]
f1maze: I think Justin Beiber's brother [21:54]
mircea_popescu: this is the new tonight show ? really ?! [21:54]
f1maze: sad [21:55]
mircea_popescu: other than that, it's "wwe raw" [21:55]
mircea_popescu: is that where they get the slightly aged strippers and do a sort of ... light daytime drama + staged "fights" ? [21:56]
f1maze: Pretty sure wwe raw and the white house have their own drama... I remember seeing something recently of potus wrestling someone [21:57]
mircea_popescu: <<< "i can't believe they're not white latina chicks code!!!" [21:57]
mircea_popescu: f1maze pity trumps no andy kaufman. some female wrestling post that whole "i grab them by the pussy" fail-scandal would have worked ok for ratings i imagine. [21:58]
f1maze: damn, that's true [21:59]
phf: << i actually did that as a small child. i was trying to see if you can charge a battery by connecting it directly to the outlet :o [22:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-01 01:41 asciilifeform: it's == the 'lemme stick the fork in the mains socket' 'creativity' discussed by dutch. [22:03]
mircea_popescu: my parents were very careful to explain the ac/dc differences and so on rather early on. [22:04]
phf: yeah, that makes sense. they used to do those "flowers & bees" conversations (which are apparently now discouraged in america, because some bees are actually flowers!), but nobody really does the basic mechanics of the environment conversations [22:08]
asciilifeform: lol my folx did [22:09]
mircea_popescu: i was a very dangerous child pretty much the only defense was making sense. [22:09]
asciilifeform: aha same [22:09]
asciilifeform: we made gunpowder etc [22:09]
mircea_popescu: i believe it's teh correct approach. [22:09]
phf: asciilifeform senior plotting the downfall of soviet union in his garage, aha, runs in the family [22:09]
mircea_popescu: of course the downside is you end up with these kids who have no problem growing into slavekeeping adults etc. [22:10]
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's brother also made various nice things, trotyl, tetryl, etc. but asciilifeform never graduated to this, we left for shitlandia prior ) [22:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform flash paper ? [22:10]
asciilifeform: aha, various [22:10]
mircea_popescu: flash paper totally worth it. [22:11]
mircea_popescu: (aka guncotton, ie the item that wasn't there on the "hospital" ship germans sunk) [22:11]
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, rothbardian human nature for there to be no guncotton on the hospital ship which germans sink. [22:12]
mircea_popescu: << typical lulz. shannonizer engine entirely unchanged in a century. [22:13]
asciilifeform: << unsurprisingly eggog [22:16]
mircea_popescu: too long neh [22:16]
asciilifeform: hm yea [22:16]
mircea_popescu: << rando spambot, by all accounts. [22:20]
mircea_popescu: funny, incidentally, how much of non-tmsr irc consists of join/part spam. apparently 80% or os. [22:21]
asciilifeform: i suspect 99+ [22:21]
f1maze: lol [22:48]
f1maze: if I'm terrible at trading, Eulora probably isnt the game for me, right? lol [22:49]
mircea_popescu: f1maze plenty of people play without trading. [23:03]
mircea_popescu: not really clear what type it's for / not for so far. outside of really not being for the innumerate. [23:03]
f1maze: Great, will give it a try [23:09]
f1maze: [23:27]
f1maze: well, I'm glad I came across that [23:27]
f1maze: scammers everywhere [23:27]
mod6: ^ [23:28]
f1maze: !!gettrust fluffypony [23:29]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. [23:29]
f1maze: not sure how that works [23:29]
f1maze: figured I'd try anyways [23:29]
mod6: related, "a bankrupt gang of pompous horse's asses" : [23:30]
mircea_popescu: f1maze it tells you how well you know someone. [23:32]
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust mod6 [23:33]
deedbot: L1: 5, L2: 46 by 26 connections. [23:33]
mircea_popescu: ie, there's 26 other people could vouch for him if i need them to. [23:33]
f1maze: How does everyone know eachother so well? [23:35]
mircea_popescu: many years. [23:36]
mircea_popescu: and in otehr news, did we do aus dem leben der marionetten ? great film. [23:36]
f1maze: mod6: even more related I have a meeting with my new tax accountant next week because I was an idiot and brought cold storage online -- did a couple big trades on GDAX (lost big too) a couple months ago. Now I'm nervous [23:37]
mod6: [23:37]
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but you know, 2011. [23:38]
mod6: ah, right. all .ro. i used to just translate the stuff. however, it was mentioned in the logs, since im not sure what exactly is being lost in such translations. [23:38]
mircea_popescu: i was reading the ro review and it came out "better rewrite than translate". [23:39]
mircea_popescu: this happens a lot sadly. [23:39]
mod6: I wish I could learn a lang in six weeks. [23:41]
mircea_popescu: only works after the 12th. [23:41]
mod6: I suppose for me, the trouble with my german and spanish is usage. i never get to use it, so I tend to lose it :< [23:41]
mircea_popescu: it's like a volume discount package. [23:41]
mod6: I learned german first, and that took me about 6mos to a year when i was 11 or 12. then when i was ~18 i learned spanish in like... well pretty quick, 2-3 mos. its easy. [23:42]
mod6: but again, i never get to use it. [23:43]
mircea_popescu: espanisho no is difficulto. [23:43]
mod6: verb conjugation is easy [23:43]
mod6: german felt like it was way harder. [23:44]
mircea_popescu: anyway, portuguese and spanish are the lulziest in this vein. at some party i chatted with this girl for a little, and eventually i asked her why does she have such a thick accent ? "because i'm speaking portuguese". [23:44]
mod6: yeah, they are pretty close huh [23:44]
mircea_popescu: i was buzzed enough to not have noticed, but i was talking spanish at her and she was talking portuguese back at me [23:44]
mod6: lol. nice. [23:45]
mod6: immersion is definately a good way to learn [23:45]
mircea_popescu: i trust no other. [23:45]
mircea_popescu: precisely because as you say, then you lose it. [23:45]
mod6: i've been trying to pick up some russian just from all the damn unicode pasted in here. [23:45]
mircea_popescu: lol [23:45]
mod6: at least, character to english letter combo transations. [23:46]
mircea_popescu: russian is easy. Xулы?! Нихуя! Нехуй расхуяривать ! Hахуячено нехуево! Похуйярили! is really all you need. [23:46]
mod6: hah [23:47]
phf: хуясе? [23:47]
mircea_popescu: holy shit im the only source for this on the internets ? [23:48]
mircea_popescu: ffs. [23:48]
phf: this version is not bad either "- Хуяссе. Охуели? Нахуя дохуя хуйни нахуярили? Розхуяривайте нахуй. - Нихуя, хули. Захуярено нехуево, нахуя расхуяривать?" [23:49]
mircea_popescu: ha [23:50]
mircea_popescu: mod6 the idea being that the russian grammar is so descriptive, an vocabulary isn't really needed. you can express yourself on the strength of grammatical structure and arbitrarily chosen verb + noun. [23:51]
mod6: heheh, interesting [23:52]
mod6: I noticed, four different words for 'fucking': ????? ????? ????? ????????? [23:52]
mod6: bah, irssi fail [23:52]
mircea_popescu: it's all dicks, huy. just you know, dis-dick-entangle and un-dick-bother and whatnot. [23:53]
mod6: \u041d\u0430\u0445\u0443\u044f \u0434\u043e\u0445\u0443\u044f \u0445\u0443\u0439\u043d\u0438 \u043d\u0430\u0445\u0443\u044f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u0438 [23:53]
mircea_popescu: actually proper english structuring of mat would be a fine exercise for learning either. though more in the phd level of things. [23:53]
mod6: my apologies. apparently my thing only does ascii. [23:53]
mircea_popescu: phf at any rate i have proof! of some cursory russian interest even before meeting alf! [23:54]
phf: the translation could be "what the hell. you guys lost it? why did you build so much stuff? break it down no matter what. - no way, why? it's not such a bad work, why break it down?" [23:54]
mircea_popescu: phf no but i mean the FORMAL translation. [23:55]
phf: err, i started translating before that sentence about "actually proper english..." etc. [23:55]
mod6: I tell people all the time here that people not even from here speak/write better english than we do. [23:56]
mircea_popescu: "what the dick, are you dicked ? why the dickendicking! disdick the dick! dicks dick! dicker dick, why dick with it ?" [23:56]
mod6: It's crazy. I'm guilty of this as well. My spelling is horrid. [23:56]
phf: i'm not even sure how i would approach above sentence if i was trying to fully relay the nuance and the ambiguity [23:56]
mircea_popescu: phf and not using any word ROOT that's not you know, dick. [23:56]
mod6: /topic what the dick, are you dicked ? why the dickendicking! disdick the dick! dicks dick! dicker dick, why dick with it ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu: lol [23:57]
mod6: dicker dick, why dick with it? dick. [23:57]
mircea_popescu: i think "dick" makes, phonetically, a better huy than cock or anything else. has a nice ring to it. [23:57]
mod6: it kinda rolls off easier 'eh [23:57]
phf: dick dick dick dick dick dick dick - how many dicks was that? - alot [23:58]
mircea_popescu: course it makes anyone attempting to use it orally sound like a pail full of bearing balls, but hey. [23:58]
mod6: phf: lol [23:58]
mircea_popescu: reservoir dogs was like teh weakest of the lot. [23:58]
mod6: you didn't like?! [23:58]
mircea_popescu: i liked, sure. but the others seemed better. [23:59]
mircea_popescu: even the explanation of what madonna's "like a virgin" means seemed outta place. [23:59]
mod6: Harvey Keitel was great in that [23:59]
mircea_popescu: true. possibly his best role. [23:59]
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