Forum logs for 31 Aug 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
trinque: if we're making our complaints, slashes are not for separating parameters [00:00]
trinque: URLs already had that [00:00]
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's what my parens were about [00:01]
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: if you're really attached to the second-click-extend-highlight-range, consider updating the anchor in the url to use the bottom of the range [00:03]
BingoBoingo: Anchor to Anchor: The Log Story [00:11]
ben_vulpes: << surely there's more to it than "l2 only", right? [00:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 21:00 mircea_popescu: the major problem in poker isn't "fair dealing", it's debotting it. but i have a ready solution for this problem too, and im persuaded it's complete. [00:48]
BingoBoingo: "Screen Shot 2016-08-30 at 8.29.25 PM [01:22]
BingoBoingo: Twenty percent of the respondents declined to pick either of the two leaders in the poll of 1,397 likely voters, which was concluded Aug .29. " [01:22]
ben_vulpes: i leave you with : web 3.0 meets vaporwave 2.0 [01:24]
ben_vulpes: hoooeee [01:24]
mod6: <+hanbot> hey mod6 99994 test worked flawlessly for me tonight. also, my testbox seems healthy again, available for further whatevers. << hey! good deal, thanks for giving it a shot :] [01:38]
trinque: << usg needs moar systemd! [02:39]
mircea_popescu: $key Robespierre_ [04:18]
mircea_popescu: << oh it did that ?! i had nfi lol, i just hacked urls. [04:21]
mircea_popescu: and what ~precisely~ do you mean with this "slashes are not for separating parameters" trinque ? like what, directories exist objectively ? no more trilema/year/name ? [04:22]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nothing to do with l2. i am a man of simple solutiona yes i am not a man of copy/pasting holy nonsense, no. [04:23]
mircea_popescu: << i love that lone red rhombus best. he so perfectly typifies the insane idiocy of "venture capital" backed "entrepreneur" culture in silly cons valley. [04:25]
mircea_popescu: " Even before the FBI identified new cyber attacks on two separate state election boards, the Department of Homeland Security began considering declaring the election a "critical infrastructure," giving it the same control over security it has over Wall Street and and the electric power grid." << consider the preposterousness embedded in here. really bitch, you have control over wallstreet ? [04:26]
mircea_popescu: trinque why does deedbot take so darn long ? [04:31]
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: regarding the latter point, i'm not sure about the anchor pointing to the last line in the range. i considered it, but if i give someone a link to a chunk of lines, makes sense for them to start reading from the top, no? however, best is probably to have small jump buttons/links to be able to jump to beginning/end of range. <- so i'll do that. [05:45]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, you're supposed to click around, otherwise it surely is too tedious! [05:48]
mircea_popescu: i like it just fine actually. [05:52]
mircea_popescu: right click on start line and if i want to make it a range i just edit a value. [05:53]
mircea_popescu: more generally Framedragger , nevermind the swamp of little shepainting bullshit, little buttons or whatever. first get the line reading bot going and the search. [05:55]
mircea_popescu: shedpainting* [05:55]
Framedragger: (i suppose it's better than the new web nonsense where "awesome devbro javascript" retains some info that is not part of the actual url, so you can't change shit and depend on the shitty js interface for navigating around..) [05:55]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yep, those are priorities. mkay [05:56]
mircea_popescu: yes. the usg.web war on the url for the past decades has been nothing short of indicative. imbeciles are so butthurt about individual control, they can't fucking stand urls. gotta hide them! gotta destroy functionality! god fucking forbid the user is at some point in control of anything! [05:58]
mircea_popescu: "it'd be too confusing" [05:58]
mircea_popescu: << i'll leave you with the observation that of the two people i named to chair the bitcoin foundation years ago, one's been doing a lot of work and the other's been doing a lot of hurr. on the continuum between mod6 and pete_d you're ever sliding towards the end opposite to what i'd imagine you're aiming for, and at some point it'll become a matter of, "well, if he hasn't fi [06:16]
mircea_popescu: gured out what works and what doesn't in lo all these many years, he never is figuring it out." [06:16]
mircea_popescu: $up holgerkpedersen [06:49]
deedbot: holgerkpedersen voiced for 30 minutes. [06:49]
mircea_popescu: right. [06:49]
shinohai: gm mircea_popescu yes it seems there were 2 new Eulora ppl contacted me on bitcointalk overnight, but saw one made it here in logs. [07:05]
mircea_popescu: heya. the robespierre guy ? [07:06]
shinohai: There was a guy named ImHash and another using tardstalk handle `VladimirLenin` [07:09]
shinohai: The ImHash guy had the most atrocious spelling and grammar of any potential recruit I've met thus far. [07:09]
mircea_popescu: yeah, i think a lot of non-english speaking folk are reading that. [07:11]
mircea_popescu: $up mexxer [07:11]
deedbot: mexxer voiced for 30 minutes. [07:11]
shinohai: Takes all kinds. [07:13]
shinohai: I guess [07:13]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [07:13]
mexxer: Hola [07:13]
mircea_popescu: how goes mexxer [07:13]
mexxer: So following a post in and generated my GPG, How do I register it with IRC?"Sorry but I am a little new to this kind of things" [07:15]
shinohai: Windblowze or linux mexxer [07:16]
mexxer: Windblowze 1024 key [07:16]
mircea_popescu: uh. [07:18]
shinohai: ok, now just register key with deedbot by typing: $register <your gpg fingerprint> [07:18]
shinohai: well lol [07:18]
mircea_popescu: he prolly tried to paste it in. [07:18]
shinohai: $upo mexxer [07:19]
shinohai: $up mexxer [07:19]
deedbot: mexxer voiced for 30 minutes. [07:19]
shinohai: mexxer: ok, now just register key with deedbot by typing: $register <your gpg fingerprint> [07:19]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is he doing. [07:21]
mircea_popescu: $up VAodminnTer [07:22]
deedbot: VAodminnTer voiced for 30 minutes. [07:22]
VAodminnTer: Hi, Can I generate my PGP using this site? [07:22]
mircea_popescu: no. [07:22]
VAodminnTer: what program can I use? [07:22]
mircea_popescu: if you're on windows, there's gpg2me [07:22]
VAodminnTer: Thanks! will do [07:23]
mircea_popescu: it's free and all. [07:23]
shinohai: Logged 07:22 +VAodminnTer Hi, Can I generate my PGP using this site? <<< foflmao [07:23]
shinohai: *roflmao [07:23]
mircea_popescu: the advantages of this approach. we find out things about the internets. [07:23]
shinohai: sorry. please ignore my morth and continue. [07:23]
shinohai: *mirth [07:23]
mircea_popescu: $up sellbtctraderz [07:50]
deedbot: sellbtctraderz voiced for 30 minutes. [07:50]
mircea_popescu: $deed [07:50]
mircea_popescu: $deed [07:50]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [07:50]
deedbot: accepted: 1 [07:50]
mircea_popescu: $key shinohai [07:51]
deedbot: [07:51]
mircea_popescu: trinque hmm, turns out it's not slow - just silent if no key found. can has an "not found" thing plox ? [07:51]
shinohai: later tell mod6 that key is my correct one, I did switch pre-split from #b-a [07:51]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [07:51]
Framedragger: shinohai: "you will have to go into the IRC channel #eulora on Freenode - use" << did you mean ? [08:07]
shinohai: No [08:07]
shinohai: deedbot is *here* [08:07]
Framedragger: ah. well ok. i would get confused :p [08:08]
shinohai: lol [08:08]
Framedragger: prolly not worth them 0.01btc then :p [08:08]
Framedragger: "please sir [08:08]
Framedragger:  i am not understand for this share" good stuff [08:08]
shinohai: I guess it is for noobs ... I just get amusement from watching all this. [08:09]
shinohai: And the inevitable "imma be rich" Filipinos that answer. [08:09]
Framedragger: purhcasing power differential mothafucka [08:11]
shinohai: hahaha [08:11]
Framedragger: i suppose [08:12]
Framedragger: whoops wrong window, sorry for spam, i am not understand [08:12]
mircea_popescu: it's a complicated problem. world is world, forum is forum. wut do ? [08:29]
shinohai: Maybe forum *is* the world heh? [08:34]
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, a large part of what i like about #trilema is that it doesn't consist of above examples. [08:35]
asciilifeform: ^ [08:35]
shinohai: lol [08:36]
mircea_popescu: it's just... kinda easy to forget just how many layers there are in "sexually unattractive" in practice. [08:36]
* shinohai goes back and treads Trilema article on Rabbi teaching torah to the ewe. [08:37]
deedbot: [08:45]
shinohai: bc,stats [09:30]
gribble: Current Blocks: 427670 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 1737 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [09:30]
shinohai: ticker --market all [09:30]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 571.17, vol: 3892.35313070 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 576.101, vol: 6424.04856 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 575.4, vol: 2849.57571373 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 572.71, vol: 3938.57938954 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.171352, vol: 60891.86780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 575.9, vol: 493.16155842 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 574.32, vol: 1055.18472391 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 576.042606, vol: (1 more message) [09:30]
diana_coman: $key Robespierre_ [09:35]
BingoBoingo: more shinohai [09:42]
gribble: 394991.236 | Volume-weighted last average: 575.85613344 [09:42]
shinohai: Gotta have tht OKCoin volume [09:42]
asciilifeform: << hot! nyooo! ethertronic chumpatron: 'ICONOMI provides an opportunity for investors looking for high profits, not possible in the old economy. With newly developed financial instruments, ICONOMI will drive new investors and fresh capital into decentralised economy.' [09:43]
asciilifeform: 'Cutting edge security. No need to deal with complicated crypto-wallets or be afraid of losing your assets forever because you can’t find your private keys. We employ state-of-the-art security technology for you, with the storage of fiat and digital assets embedded into an Ethereum contract!' [09:43]
shinohai: `cutting-edge security` not seen in any other game of hot potato EVAH! [09:44]
asciilifeform: 'To me, coding languages are aesthetic works. I am fond of protocols. My free time consists of purposeless walks and golf.' -- Tjasa Tolj. MARKETING ASSISTANT [09:46]
BingoBoingo: He calls them "and golf" [09:50]
asciilifeform: he? [09:51]
shinohai: Is his life just one purposeless walk to? Or is there a plan? [09:51]
shinohai: *too [09:51]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Zhe? [09:53]
asciilifeform: i have nfi, but pictured item dun look like a dude [09:53]
BingoBoingo: Haven't looked, but why does it write like a cetain dude broken at conception? [09:54]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel, apparently ol' kako knows some of these folks, [10:02]
mod6: shinohai: ah, ok great. just wanted to make sure. [10:57]
shinohai: thx! ^.^ [10:57]
diana_coman: $key AllKindsOfBad [11:19]
deedbot: [11:19]
diana_coman: $key Robespierre_ [11:30]
deedbot: [11:30]
mircea_popescu: nice. [12:26]
* asciilifeform lelling over ancient mircea_popescu piece, where 'Putin este ceva intre obraznic si periculos, si intre noi fie vorba o tinta excelenta pentru un micut si elegant asasinat politic executat de unul dintre cele cite mai sunt, douazeci de servicii secrete romanesti.' [12:48]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:49]
asciilifeform: and hey, usg dos reads trilema, that was the year they tried to 'colourize' moscow [12:49]
mircea_popescu: everybody reads trilema, including the local tards. i can spot them, too, i go to a cafe or w/e, there's this dude in a corner being all weird in the specific manner. [12:50]
asciilifeform: (which, one might suppose, also counter-reads trilema and it bounced right off..) [12:50]
asciilifeform: l0l! what's this look like ? [12:50]
mircea_popescu: you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing [12:51]
mod6: :D [12:51]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever chat'em up ? [12:51]
mircea_popescu: well actually maybe you don't know, wtf do i know. but anyway, there's a very peculiar thing people/kids do when the inconceivable happens like joe di maggio walks into dunkin donuts [12:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform occasionally, when tits bolted on. [12:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik typical cowman filters out 'inconceivable' stimuli. 'oh that's nuffin, that's a dude who ~looks like~ obummer' [12:53]
asciilifeform: 'rifle? what rifle, that was a balloon pop' [12:53]
trinque: mircea_popescu │ you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing << afraid to look directly into the trilema, eh? [12:55]
trinque: and yep, gonna add some response mesages to herr deedbot [12:55]
mircea_popescu: well, especially when i take my head off, place it on the table, and feed it icecream on the shorter path [12:56]
* asciilifeform falls down [12:56]
mircea_popescu: :D [12:56]
* asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu walking up to seekrit skvirrel and giving 'the stare', like felix dzerzhinsky supposedly did [12:56]
mircea_popescu: to quote, "oh no, i wouldn't do THAT. *pause* there MAY have been some instances... in THE PAST! but that's all ancient history now." [12:57]
asciilifeform: << specifically the fictionalized zherzhinsky pictured here. [13:00]
asciilifeform: *dzerzhinsky [13:00]
mircea_popescu: zher zhinsky! [13:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, guy's got a pretty good stare going. [13:02]
asciilifeform: legendary. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: lol this "purposeless walks and golf" bit is pretty shiny. deliberate parody ? [13:07]
asciilifeform: was my thought. but, seeing the rest - probably as real as it gets. [13:07]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [13:08]
mircea_popescu: i think ima save this though. "purposeless walks and golf". nb. [13:09]
asciilifeform: 'As you might have noticed, I'm surrounded by guys, all of whom are enthusiastic about new technologies. They have managed to successfully transfer their excitement to me and have contaminated me with the same urge to discover the numerous possibilities that the crypto world has to offer.' << also great. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: such goldmine. "baby, just the tip!" applied to enthusiasms etc. [13:21]
asciilifeform: contaminated with urge ! [13:21]
mircea_popescu: to courge. to contaminate with scourge oops i mean. [13:21]
mircea_popescu: btw, since i mentioned : it is directly evident why it's such a big deal for elliot kid. leaving aside all the insane preposterous nonsense worthy of a tucker max / wolf of wallstreet / suicide kings production : there's one sex scene, in which this kid (totally whitebread, goes to school and does his homework 15yo with no tattoos) is kidnapped by a bunch of derps, and then [13:26]
mircea_popescu: some models who in practice hang out with them (this almost never happens, even in california) lure/force him into a pool. it's not exactly ~against~ his wishes it's irrespective of them, which is the point - males, esp young, esp virgin, are very fucking shy, and i dunno that this even exists, act of male devirgination which is not out and out "rape" by the female. certainly not at a sane age for it (such as 15). [13:26]
mircea_popescu: but once is not enough : once in the pool, they blindfold him, and then the one twu wuv girl lures him over by whispering "polo" long after he's stoped saying "marco", which, again, is the point. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: elliot is right in figuring that he'd have perhaps functioned normally, or at least had a better chance at it, in this sort of context. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: and yes the world is ~so~ cruel : the better have it easier, and the crappier have it harder. because the world is not interested, to any degree, in survival of the everyone. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: it aims for the survival of the fittest and him only. [13:27]
asciilifeform: brick would also fly 'better' attached to jet booster [13:27]
asciilifeform: but who will attach it, and why..? [13:27]
mircea_popescu: which is exactly brick's point. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: it IS unfair, and it is also deeply antiequalitarian that the better kid of their year get free jet engine while the crummier kids get ankle weights. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: it happens to be exactly how it works, too, but hey. [13:28]
asciilifeform: where's the 'better' though ? [13:29]
mircea_popescu: in this case, amusingly enough, it's blood ties. [13:29]
asciilifeform: fortune is by definition random, neh ? [13:29]
mircea_popescu: the kid in the pool was there because of his family relations. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: fortune is by definition random when playing the powerball : you'll get half your money on average. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: fortune is deeply not random when discussing girls. joe rapes rachel and as a result rachel is tankful and joe has a new slave. moe tries to talk to sarah and is forced to waste 30 hours doing "sensitivity training" [13:30]
asciilifeform: same fortune as in powerball, only diff is that the respective tickets were bought by joe and moe's parents [13:31]
mircea_popescu: ironically, from this perspective the decision to drive to arizona to play lottery is even judicious. better odds than trying to play the pool party, at any rate. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not so. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: if i believed my kids were going to be anything like me i'd even consider having some. [13:32]
asciilifeform: i did say 'same powerball' [13:32]
asciilifeform: rather than 'choose parents carefully' [13:33]
mircea_popescu: what do you mean, explicitly ? [13:33]
asciilifeform: well, joe is a hero, and moe is a zero, and this quite likely was apparent to a skilled eye when both just learned to walk, neh ? [13:33]
mircea_popescu: zeros are apparent. [13:33]
mircea_popescu: it's a field of "zero. likely zero. zero zero likely-meh. zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero " [13:34]
mircea_popescu: you know, actually a lot like how google go "brain" looks. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: large field of zeros. [13:34]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you have confidence in your ability to shape slavegurl into whatever form you please, then why not chitlin ? surely starting earlier has its advantages [13:37]
mircea_popescu: i have no such confidence. some girls are extremely good at shaping themselves into an extremely sharp tool in the right sort of context and the result is by very far much sharper than anything ever produced naturally, or through alternative means. [13:38]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc he doesn't lift random scum off the street to work on. [13:39]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it does not work for most women and i never tried nor would i be bothered to try on children. [13:39]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but nor is fleisch und blut 'random scum off the street' [13:40]
asciilifeform: ~=. [13:40]
mircea_popescu: why not ? [13:40]
mircea_popescu: i mean, i see the point to a certain degree, the street in practice DOES select, for the worst. but i think he just meant "crapshot" rather than proper, street scum. [13:40]
* pete_dushenski sees that he's going to be defending biology now, it's so sure it's the wisest against two such opponents [13:41]
mircea_popescu: problem is biology has no intention of defending you. reversal to the mean is the controlling phenomenon there. [13:41]
asciilifeform: al 'uncle al' schwartz's father, for instance, was - iirc - a tailor, who never read a book cover to cover in his entire life. [13:41]
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has it. [13:42]
mircea_popescu: if we are to learn anything from the history of the 2nd millennium, is that marrying performance and lineage is suicidal. so fucking costly a stupidity, in fact, as to sink monarchy, ie, the most perfect form of social organisation possible. [13:42]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: granted, but sultan had whatever 200 pups, a couple were fit for higher life, so why not mp, sultan of tmsr ? too many castles needed to house them ? [13:42]
mircea_popescu: the model creates a very bloodthirsty litter. [13:43]
pete_dushenski: that'd be the point i imagine [13:43]
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying it is impossible. i'm just saying it's a pretty distant bridge. [13:43]
mircea_popescu: it would ? [13:43]
pete_dushenski: create tension, conflict, and competition in the brood, let winrar emerge therefrom [13:44]
pete_dushenski: have two kids ? god help the spoiled brats [13:45]
mircea_popescu: and who's gonna write the poems ? women only ? literature by females results in the collapse of the empire. [13:45]
pete_dushenski: i mean, look at me! [13:45]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: winrar can write poems just fine. samurai seemed to at any rate [13:46]
mircea_popescu: actually matching the japanese gender split of literary production and japanese political situation over time is bound to be shockingly instructive. [13:48]
pete_dushenski: besides, what's life without a little risk, a little 'crapshot' now and again. [13:48]
pete_dushenski: maybe child is crapshot too far, but it's a matter of degrees [13:48]
mircea_popescu: maybe. [13:49]
asciilifeform: 'hey come and play powerball with me, i haven't won yet but TOGETHER YES WE CAN!1111' [13:49]
* pete_dushenski is prolly ex post rationalising, but how not. [13:49]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: less powerball and more poker world series [13:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not exactly powerball though. [13:50]
asciilifeform: closer to the, e.g., state of maryland powerless ball, sure. [13:51]
mircea_popescu: simple criterion : you can not guarantee you will never get the number 7. you can guarantee you will not have mulatto kid. [13:51]
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, the reverse is impossible : black people ever so often end up with entirely white kid, because slavery.) [13:51]
asciilifeform: modern americans seem to have caught up with the reverse. [13:52]
mircea_popescu: howdja mean ? [13:53]
asciilifeform: with horns, how else. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: huh ? [13:53]
asciilifeform: 'say hello to our new mulatto kid' horned husband: '...' [13:54]
mircea_popescu: oh lol [13:54]
mircea_popescu: not quite what i had in mind for a couple model here :p [13:54]
asciilifeform: at any rate, this is 'red herring.' nobody's insured against having kid who can't grasp recursion, or even do addition, etc. [13:55]
asciilifeform: or elliots. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: but you do have more control over the matter than over entropy source. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: so not exactly red herring. [13:55]
asciilifeform: the degree of control, so small as to rightfully count as 'homeopathic.' [13:55]
mircea_popescu: also there's a major problem with abstract criteria. i for instance don't grasp recursion. [13:56]
asciilifeform: somehow i knew that mircea_popescu could not resist pulling such rabbit out of his hat. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: tis true! [13:56]
mircea_popescu: recursion is hard, man. [13:56]
asciilifeform: lel this is the man who drew fractals by hand [13:57]
mircea_popescu: so ? [13:57]
mircea_popescu: THERE IS A LOT OF IT [13:57]
asciilifeform: (or did i dream about reading a trilema with this) [13:57]
* asciilifeform does regularly read trilema in dreams, and wakes up and futilely searches for 'the one where he used piss as a lasing medium...' etc) [13:58]
mircea_popescu: i count self as perhaps middling student of recursion, as a soon to be 40yo. there's a lot to it, what do you want from me. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: lol asciilifeform you should prolly write those articles. [13:59]
mircea_popescu: i dream most of mine as it is. [13:59]
asciilifeform: eh it is different when you do things and then dream article about them, vs when you dream things and then dream article. [13:59]
asciilifeform: i prefer not to add cheap xerocopies of xerocopies to the world, enough of these as it is. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: the difference is in the dream! [14:00]
asciilifeform: though i did see a bizarre crackpot altcoin in dream last night [14:01]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this xerocopy argument, while at first convincing, readily recurses into a restatement of the children argument above but it is flawed because, as granma wittily observed, "cartile nu cer demincare" ie books need not be fed. [14:01]
asciilifeform: all i recall is that it had discrete (nondivisible!) coins, 1 per addr, and mined strictly by 'vanitying' the addrs into existence. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: iirc we discussed this in the logs. recall, the no-splittable coins ? [14:02]
asciilifeform: possibly? [14:02]
mircea_popescu: until the coinbase halves, you can only use 50 btc then 25 and 12.5 etc. [14:02]
* pete_dushenski recalls this thread, goes to dig [14:03]
asciilifeform: ah no, not this. just 'when you discover an addr, which is not easy to do, it comes with 1 coin. which you can then send by ....' [14:03]
mircea_popescu: was part of a larger discussion cca 2015ish of the problem of unboundness in bitcoin. even as it stands currently - you can end up with 2100000000000000 discrete items to keep track of ? really ? [14:03]
* mircea_popescu is too lazy to dig up the trilema piece holding exact figure (no, it's not this, a little lower) [14:04]
asciilifeform: eh that's sorta like 'using gold means 10^50 atoms in sea water to keep track of' [14:04]
mircea_popescu: how you figure ? [14:04]
asciilifeform: coin that is fragged beyond a certain point, is ~lost. [14:05]
mircea_popescu: why ? [14:05]
asciilifeform: for the reason stated earlier. [14:05]
mircea_popescu: consider for a second here : the year is i nthe future, the world is numerous planets, a single satoshi is worth trillions in today's money. literally, enough to buy a larger town. [14:05]
asciilifeform: 'too many items, O(N)' [14:05]
mircea_popescu: most txn will be satoshi-sized then. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: and the cavallier "oh, we'll just introduce subdivisions" nonsense pushed by the prb folk utterly fails to consider the implications [14:06]
mircea_popescu: just as every other "expert" opinion they ever came up with to date. [14:06]
pete_dushenski: << lol i even levitan'd it [14:08]
mircea_popescu: o hey. it was 2015. nice find pete_dushenski [14:08]
* pete_dushenski doesn't want to appear ~too~ useful, lest ben_vulpes become overly attracted to this end of the continuum [14:11]
asciilifeform: lel [14:11]
mircea_popescu: lol [14:11]
asciilifeform: poor ben_vulpes , iirc he never even had time to run the rng i gave him during c3 [14:11]
asciilifeform: probably busy washing shit off light bulbs. [14:11]
mircea_popescu: no, today has been the day of giving nice fellows a hard time, let him suffer. [14:12]
asciilifeform: re suffer, aha, i've been reading motherfucking microshit docs all day. [14:12]
asciilifeform: for sins in past life. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: aaand i'll bbs [14:13]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if only your father had died in kaunas parachuting like he was supposed to, you'd be free of such burdens. alas. [14:13]
asciilifeform: somethinglikethat [14:14]
asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu colour me thick, but i still dun get why 'oh noez there'll be 2100000000000000 potentially-movable satoshis.' everybody still gets to sit down in 1MB block. so tx-ing will be eventually like what launching satellite to orbit is today - had better be worth the cost. but will still work quite the same. [14:19]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [14:19]
asciilifeform: so today there's what, 10,001 derps per minute who 'just want to' but cannot, and aren't worth even a bullet. [14:20]
asciilifeform: and tomorrow there will be 10,000,001. what of this. [14:21]
asciilifeform: the ~actual~ terminal instability in the thing is that the folks who eat the cost of disk (nodes) are not the folks who get tx fees (miners). [14:22]
asciilifeform: ~this~ crack ~will~ eventually fissure. [14:22]
asciilifeform: long before any other 'too manies'. [14:23]
asciilifeform: but iirc mircea_popescu already has good piece re subj. [14:23]
deedbot: << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Death to “Procurement Professionals” [15:51]
* pete_dushenski to shop for new bathroom vanities [15:51]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry. [15:55]
BingoBoingo: apparently whatever derp developed > chose the wrong PR strategy and their block explorer et al are now instaspam'd [16:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the time part of the discussion was "making larger blocks". [17:10]
mircea_popescu: moreover, the important point is, "where are the true large edges of this item". [17:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes. [17:39]
asciilifeform: and the disk cost thing is one leg of what old mircea_popescu article called, iirc, 'responsibility collapse triangle' [17:40]
mircea_popescu: anyway, not like the problem isn't both well understood and well solved. [18:55]
mircea_popescu: we eventually migrate to sane bitcoin and that's that. [18:55]
deedbot: << Qntra - Once Darling Theranos Takes A Beating On Zika Test [18:56]
mircea_popescu: and in other monkey news, [19:00]
asciilifeform: lel what's she wearing ? [19:17]
asciilifeform: does that thing have a name ? [19:17]
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's a garter belt. [19:20]
shinohai: It's a pearl necklace asciilifeform :D [19:21]
mircea_popescu: no that's when you ejaculate on her collarbone. [19:21]
shinohai: Just give her a few minutes ... [19:21]
deedbot: << Trilema - Introducing the Negro Mate [19:51]
mod6: [20:03]
trinque: cheers mod6 [20:07]
mod6: o7 [20:23]
shinohai: o7 mod6 thanks! nice address this month as always! [20:24]
mod6: thanks for all the help, much appreciated. :] [20:39]
deedbot: << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2016 Report [20:47]
mircea_popescu: oh and in early xmas greetings, [21:08]
BingoBoingo: Blasphemy. Everyone knows Ded Moroz is African! [21:21]
mircea_popescu: oh right [21:24]
BingoBoingo: [21:43]
mircea_popescu: and in other white pride worldwide news, [21:58]
trinque: winner for least flattering ass grab of all time [22:47]
mircea_popescu: you only say that because you're butthurt :D [22:48]
trinque: pow, right in the supremacy! [22:48]
mircea_popescu: "that butt has hurt me retinas sir" [22:48]
trinque: lol [22:48]
mircea_popescu: dat* [22:48]
mircea_popescu: and in other excessive opulence news, [23:05]
mircea_popescu: because nothing quite says prestigious luxury like a full option package where the leotard anti-matches the car paint. [23:05]
BingoBoingo: [23:28]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what [23:33]
mircea_popescu: who does this [23:33]
BingoBoingo: M'urican Fuck Yeah? [23:40]
BingoBoingo: OSHA IS going to have a shitfit over that shitfit. [23:40]
deedbot: << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), August 2016 Statement [23:43]
BingoBoingo: $up boolcrap [23:49]
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes. [23:49]
BingoBoingo: $t m [23:50]
asciilifeform: eh boolcrap . [23:50]
boolcrap: yo [23:50]
boolcrap: sup ladies [23:50]
asciilifeform: where's yer key [23:50]
mircea_popescu: where have all teh tickers gone... [23:50]
mircea_popescu: oh and in other "female ejaculation is real" news, [23:51]
asciilifeform: didja keep it in that watermelon boolcrap . [23:51]
boolcrap: it has been lost, along with the mans pride in america [23:51]
boolcrap: that explains why its gone, its in the groundhogs belly [23:51]
asciilifeform: boolcrap: make another, will ya [23:52]
boolcrap: i really have it i even plugged in the disk it was on [23:52]
boolcrap: hot plugged amazingly [23:52]
boolcrap: how is your slave job stas [23:53]
asciilifeform: boolcrap: i was windbg-ing and thought of you. [23:54]
boolcrap: oh [23:54]
boolcrap: wow [23:54]
boolcrap: i bet you never thought you would see the day [23:54]
asciilifeform: lel [23:54]
boolcrap: i figured you would be idaing for life [23:54]
asciilifeform: also i had a dream where i visited ye olde rupturefarm and all you lot were long gone and there were mexicans instead... [23:55]
boolcrap: lol [23:55]
boolcrap: haha [23:55]
boolcrap: that was a premonition. [23:55]
boolcrap: not a dream [23:55]
asciilifeform: also there was nazi party headquarter on 3rd floor. [23:55]
boolcrap: lol [23:55]
boolcrap: all working for mr I? [23:55]
asciilifeform: looked a bit like level1 of 'wolfenstein'. [23:55]
asciilifeform: nah he was mexican also. [23:56]
boolcrap: dam [23:56]
boolcrap: i often wondered if my grandfather would have liked to play wolfenstien [23:56]
boolcrap: the nazis were mexican? [23:56]
asciilifeform: i once met a fella who played 'call of duty: iraq' in actual iraq. [23:57]
boolcrap: they were dressed in hitler gear? [23:57]
boolcrap: yeah ive heard stories like that as well o. I'll never understand [23:57]
boolcrap: maybe he just really likes war, [23:57]
boolcrap: who am i to judge. [23:57]
asciilifeform: he was bored. [23:57]
boolcrap: not enough ppl to shoot? [23:58]
asciilifeform: technically none at all, in 'green zone' [23:59]
trinque: from what I've been told, Iraq was "patrol here and wait to be carbombed" for many [23:59]
asciilifeform: aha [23:59]
asciilifeform: though also 'drive there and wait to be road mined' [23:59]
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