Forum logs for 28 Sep 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
asciilifeform: in other entomological curios, [00:09]
asciilifeform: who said 'crypto snakeoil for $maxint while you wait!' died with the '90s. [00:12]
shinohai: the pic of the security admin alone was worth the visit [00:12]
ben_vulpes: > some of us even teach web dev in a graduate cs program [00:19]
ben_vulpes: my eyes [00:19]
trinque: ben_vulpes: man, last job I had to interact with some guy who was doing a dissertation on... some python/postgresql CMS [00:21]
trinque: doctor of shitstackology! [00:21]
ben_vulpes: my evens [00:21]
ben_vulpes: i can't them [00:21]
ben_vulpes: > cryptologist [00:21]
ben_vulpes: waaaaat [00:21]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what's your standard epoxy of preference? [00:23]
asciilifeform: in other old flimflammeries, [00:39]
asciilifeform: and, somewhat relatedly, . [00:58]
Framedragger: << plox line in question if possible? [04:15]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-27: [20:57:23] <asciilifeform> it missed a line from me. [04:15]
Framedragger: << hm it (znc) *does* replace ACTION with '*', normally [04:16]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-27: [14:25:47] <phf> so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks [04:16]
Framedragger: i'll later check scriba's version of , it stores raw irc logs [04:16]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-27: [13:14:42] <asciilifeform> ACTION woke up from dream where we had 4th conf. this time, at mircea_popescu's house, which turned out to be a gigantic repurposed office park, wunderwaffen in every room, even the nazi 'Glocke' neutron generator we sat in a great hall and drank mead and thanked odin for the gift of valour then went to the tank room and each pulled gigantic sea [04:16]
scriba: slugs, shaped like various animals, e.g., pig, out of a tank, and by the choice mircea_p [04:16]
Framedragger: aha, i wonder if the sending irc client encoded msg in some strange charset, and ACTION was *not* technically the first set of characters in that message, from point of view of znc. [04:17]
Framedragger: <<1474982082.5600033 :asciilifeform!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform PRIVMSG #trilema :^AACTION woke up from dream [04:19]
Framedragger: hm seems fine, i.e. it's ^^AACTION [04:19]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Usually JB weld in old or "Klear" flavors [04:20]
Framedragger: asciilifeform:, how's the rest of that dream, then? did you eat them slugs? [04:23]
Framedragger: s/^^AACTION/^AACTION/ [04:23]
BingoBoingo: << "Feels good man" [04:33]
thestringpuller: is the BingoBoingo still awake? [05:57]
davout: <<< horribru [06:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-27 19:24 mircea_popescu: << for opera connoisseurs si nu numai. [06:05]
jurov: just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair [06:27]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-27 22:32 pete_dushenski: man alive flights to ireland are priiiicey. more than oz even. /me will be waiting for a deal like a good jew. [06:27]
shinohai: <<< That'll stop that hacker from releasing these photos! [09:27]
Framedragger: (courtesy of punkman) << good stuff. [09:41]
Framedragger: new account [09:41]
Framedragger: [09:43]
Framedragger: "the pleasure of whiteness" [09:44]
asciilifeform: '@Real_PeerReview highlighted more than 1,000 scholarly papers in four months. Many were essentially Mad Libs with various topics inserted between the phrases “whiteness,” “hegemony,” and the “patriarchy.”' << sop since '80s. it will die with usg and not before. [09:49]
Framedragger: next time i'm desperate for cash i'll make a markov bot which will include those keywords, and will spam research funding agencies. [09:50]
asciilifeform: not how it works. [09:50]
asciilifeform: gotta be properly aryan and in their wot. [09:51]
Framedragger: guess so. [09:51]
Framedragger: not underprivileged enough [09:52]
mircea_popescu: hhhola! [10:35]
mircea_popescu: ahahaah, getting spam from actually, not spoofed. [10:36]
Framedragger: noice. [10:37]
Framedragger: on my work email end on the other hand, multiple emails as of late, sent from director, with instructions to pay to this fiat bank acct and that fiat bank acct. [10:38]
mircea_popescu: << for the record, i didn't even know that was a thing. [10:38]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-28: [03:06:04] <ben_vulpes> me, sure, give me 500mm and 2 years. instructables though? great hopes for instructables? and wikipedia, right? [10:38]
mircea_popescu: i suppose there's no end of expert ses change. [10:39]
Framedragger: like, legit uk and polish bank account details. wonder if they belong to old granny who gives out passwords to her grandson [10:39]
mircea_popescu: sex change* [10:39]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well look in at headers and delivery path [10:39]
mircea_popescu: if you own the mailserver at least. [10:39]
Framedragger: didn't even have time to investigate, honestly not sure if worth it, reported bank details to banks in question as per process, but that's about it [10:40]
Framedragger: yeah. [10:40]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the way that works is, you can open business online and then bank account from it. [10:40]
mircea_popescu: anyone willing to spend 1mn can have ~10k us registered businesses by friday sort of thing. [10:40]
Framedragger: well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl [10:41]
mircea_popescu: i doubt you do. [10:41]
Framedragger: i tried to do just that while being away from uk! [10:41]
mircea_popescu: note that what people tell each other and what is actually the case never have yet matched in the history of people. [10:41]
Framedragger: but maybe didn't try hard enough, because, you know, i could just walk in later [10:42]
mircea_popescu: exactly. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: plus there's also the legions of captcha solvers / employees working remote etc. but i doubt anyone spends that much effort. [10:43]
Framedragger: this relates to the "not a bank if no rsa in relevant wot" point. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: one obvious explanation would be that the accts in question belong to a derp who has agreed to "handle comissions for international firm" [10:43]
mircea_popescu: which i think is supported by >1 bn pieces of yearly mail. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: recall the good old days when people wanted to get money from the cattle ? things have changed, the cattle is now poor enough that people want its moo not its money. [10:44]
Framedragger: heheh. oh yeah. i also forgot about them craigslist job posts, as well $x's friend's boyfriend who asked $x to temporarily hold some money in $x's acct because reasons [10:44]
mircea_popescu: this is an important societal change that of course "nobody could have predicted" and nobody noticed. because that's what "modern democracy" governments are for, to stick hand in sand. [10:44]
mircea_popescu: cattle couldn't have done that independently well enough. needed collective ostrich built. [10:45]
mircea_popescu: << vaguely related, it's ever so sad that the fiat minds never seem quite ready to actually engage. [10:46]
mircea_popescu: it's like boys in clubs, all they really wanna do is rub on you a little. if that. [10:46]
asciilifeform: << ~hundy each, depending on where registered. the postbox costs more. [10:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 14:40 mircea_popescu: anyone willing to spend 1mn can have ~10k us registered businesses by friday sort of thing. [10:54]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [10:55]
asciilifeform: << in usa also. 'patriot act'. dun even matter if acct is for human or for corp. [10:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 14:41 Framedragger: well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl [10:55]
asciilifeform: no exceptions. [10:55]
asciilifeform: gotta walk in and show govt papers. [10:55]
asciilifeform: (driving license usually) [10:55]
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact i registered corp/bank acct/paypal etc while in costa rica. [10:56]
asciilifeform: in what american state ? [10:56]
mircea_popescu: delaware. [10:56]
asciilifeform: corp is easy, dime/dozen [10:56]
asciilifeform: bank, at least in past decade, demands the rituals. though i could easily believe that if you open acct and immediately drop $mil in it, they will close eyes. [10:57]
mircea_popescu: there's five billions things. open acct with hk branch, have it transferred. whoops. [10:58]
asciilifeform: ahahaha so not u.s. bank. [10:58]
asciilifeform: that there's cheating!111 [10:58]
mircea_popescu: why not ? [10:58]
mircea_popescu: what, us banks don't have azn branches ? [10:58]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that this calender would be watertight is laughable on the face. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: yes it's a calender, ie keeps the pasta in. but if you dump it in the sewer, don't expect you'll fish it out later and contents edible. [10:59]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: US banks pretty much require id for nearly every single transaction you intend to make with them... [10:59]
thestringpuller: cash deposit into another person's account? "Papers and passport please" [10:59]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller try a wire. [11:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is far from watertight, but to the lobster trapped inside it may as well be. [11:01]
Framedragger: thestringpuller: heh up until maybe ~2012, UK banks allowed these cash deposits without any account or docs so folks deposited cash into bitcoin exchange accounts and then that changed. so it goes hm [11:01]
mircea_popescu: i can believe it. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it is possible i'm left stranded on some historical branch. i've been doing ever less banking over the years. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: back before bitcoin fucking banks were like, a major core these days, they barely count on the level of gardening. [11:03]
thestringpuller: capital controls never work. [11:03]
asciilifeform: eh define 'work' [11:04]
asciilifeform: it's rather like to say 'traffic police never works' [11:04]
asciilifeform: most folks stop at the red light without there being such a thing as a police car for miles. internal policeman, inside head. [11:04]
asciilifeform: and when they stop doing this, no amount of policing will move them, no. [11:05]
thestringpuller: or you stop so you don't fucking die, like when no light exist i.e. lightning storm [11:05]
asciilifeform: much of what passes for 'capital control' in usa is to prevent bezzleusd leakage [11:05]
thestringpuller: leak always gets bigger. [11:06]
asciilifeform: e.g., uppity salaryfolk getting their dough deposited into non-irs-controlled bank [11:06]
asciilifeform: when this fails, and it will, there ~will~ be ru-style hyperinflation, as the selfsame chumps use their megabux to bid up the cost of basic necessities [11:07]
asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's old article where 'if i get a hundy, i get a hundy, but if everyone gets one - it is a disaster' [11:08]
mircea_popescu: dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars and actual food is already going into a spiral. [11:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this strategy where all of the bid-up/sheepshaving happens in one particular racket, housing [11:08]
asciilifeform: everything else is kept down artificially, via agro subsidies etc [11:09]
mircea_popescu: back in 2005 i ate on the boston wharf bill came in a hundreds. today they come in the thousands. [11:09]
asciilifeform: for 1 plate?? [11:09]
asciilifeform: or entire dirigible crew [11:09]
mircea_popescu: well what's an "eating", four to six people. [11:10]
asciilifeform: ah ok [11:10]
asciilifeform: in general, anything that is 'luxury' and not propped up by the great inca, rockets 'to the moon' [11:10]
mircea_popescu: yes, but anything that isn't luxury is, today unlike the days of the su, ersatz. [11:11]
asciilifeform: (well, 'propped down') [11:11]
asciilifeform: increasingly. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: the soviets had what, fake coffee and whatnot. [11:11]
asciilifeform: did i ever mention the tin pistol ? [11:11]
mircea_popescu: they still built housing out of concrete not chewed wasp nest. [11:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the orcs picked scarcity over ersatz. [11:12]
asciilifeform: because they were not konsoomer-oriented. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: aha. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: well, also because not technologically apt. [11:12]
asciilifeform: as if americans were. [11:13]
asciilifeform: or made own ersatz. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: army does not generally favour ersatz, but bulk and unlike us, the su was army-run. much like ~much all eastern tyrannies, from turks to what have you. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: whereas the us is a french colony through and through. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: ie, bureaucrat run. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: ersatz is those people's very life their existence is subjectively predicated on them being ersatz for actual people [11:13]
mircea_popescu: through the technomagic of "noblesse du robe" or whatever. [11:13]
asciilifeform: re: army-run, see also . [11:14]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 19:54 asciilifeform: where my father worked they had always 3 bins. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: aha. [11:14]
trinque: it's like living on a cheap TV set. my neighbor's door - when kicked in two weeks ago - broke like balsa wood right along the only (soft) metal in the door, at the "lock"/"latch" [11:14]
trinque: this with rents at 1600/mo for the smallest [11:15]
asciilifeform: trinque: they are built like this deliberately, it is cheaper to repair than if the hinges are the weak part. [11:15]
asciilifeform: trinque: who did the kicking ? [11:15]
trinque: orcs [11:15]
mircea_popescu: << for the record i fail to see the problem in the quoted fragment and can't be arsed to go read the whole thing. anyone wishes to explain what the problem is ? [11:15]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-28: [13:44:43] <Framedragger> "the pleasure of whiteness" [11:15]
asciilifeform: ftr i was not able to decode it [11:15]
asciilifeform: it was, best as i can tell, the usual meat-assisted shannonizer output. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: it decodes here. feel free to ask or ? [11:16]
trinque: the cop was in a nervous sweat when he came to my door asking if I knew anything [11:16]
trinque: that was a serious wtf [11:16]
asciilifeform: !!up Mariono [11:17]
deedbot: Mariono voiced for 30 minutes. [11:17]
Mariono: i saw a thread on bitcointalk [11:17]
Mariono: [11:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly enough, it could be rendered in terms of the mp-alf discussion on the alf side. it ~says "tyvm for telling us to be less poor here in africa no dirigible." [11:17]
mircea_popescu: Mariono prolly want to talk to shinohai if you need help otherwise register your key with deedbot [11:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly. i simply have trouble with the limba de lemn , it is thick. [11:18]
Mariono: oke :D [11:18]
Mariono: i already talk with him [11:18]
mircea_popescu: so it is. then again, it has to be pointed out that all these "studies" are derivative work of literary criticism and phenomenology as the philosophical discipline (80s variant, see eg stanford's "it is the study of structures of conscxiousness"). consequently they consist almost entirely out of terms of art. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: this is not in and of itself a bad thing. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: computer science, for instance, also almost entirely consists of terms of art. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: arguably about as tenuous a basis in reality (what is "a processor" ? really ?) [11:21]
asciilifeform: btw it is worth noting that current mathematical, etc. papers are scarcely distinguishable from the quoted rubbish. [11:22]
Mariono: !!register [11:22]
deedbot: 738D28589D2CB44F02B44E0E43D55C24AA0E9947 registered as Mariono. [11:22]
asciilifeform: the cancer's been spreading for so long that it can be seen in the toenails. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: i can distinguish it. most recently proven for example when i flew off handle over something someone linked with triangles and squares. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: the person versed in the art can always distinguish art from rubbish. the problem is what versed means. [11:22]
shinohai: trinque: thank you for that btw, makes my job so much damned easier [11:22]
trinque: quite welcome [11:23]
mircea_popescu: shinohai doesn't it though! [11:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant 'typical paper' [11:23]
mircea_popescu: and we get to a) cut one enemy out of process b) build one friend into process. [11:23]
asciilifeform: naturally it is possible to distinguish, e.g., lamport, from boeck. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, typical. suppose you have to go to dinner with the typical female and then with her to the typical poetry reading. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: there's a reason real men own whips. [11:23]
asciilifeform: actually this is one of the things that astonishes me about mircea_popescu [11:24]
mircea_popescu: or need i link again the typical 1800s opera singer. [11:24]
asciilifeform: i.e. that he can put up with, approx., 'typical female' [11:24]
mircea_popescu: and why wouldn't i ? [11:24]
asciilifeform: dunno, let's say you didn't enjoy animal training. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: but i do. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: i had dogs as a child and horses. and hunted. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: and had a merry time. [11:25]
asciilifeform: ain't nuffin' wrong with that. [11:25]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm. on actually closer inspection, that thing's easier to parse if one reads till end of extract. one of the points is that the notion of female genital mutilation is used to represent african tribes etc. as inferior culturally, sexually, etc. thesis seems to disagree with this portrayal of that tribal culture. this does indeed not sound original. but, i guess you're right, it's more like meh, and not a lol-worthy outrag [11:25]
Framedragger: e. lingo is funny to be tho [11:25]
mircea_popescu: note also that what "things are used to represent" is very rarely a valid concern. [11:26]
Framedragger: i guess that twitter acct thought it was funny that FGM could be anything other than bullshit. at the point of lol'ing at those tweets i took this as a given [11:27]
mircea_popescu: which is perhaps the problem. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: ie, if you people are going to herd rather than critically analyze, it might as well be that YOU are the reason the account has to be banned. [11:28]
Framedragger: but this reminded me of clastres' "society against the state", a set of essays on "primitiv kultures". the latter use all kinds of mutilation'y things to do interesting stuff, e.g. if one breaks a law, that law is inscribed on the flesh of the person having broken it etc. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: anyway. "the pleasure of whiteness" in particular denotes this peculiar view of human existence, which is very deeply puritan (which they usually call white or white-patriarchy, neither of which have anything to do). ie, typical middle class us female enjoys being in herself, which is why she loves nothing more than to grow fat while watching netflix. [11:29]
Framedragger: and in general builds an argument against the notion of "primitive" as widely used in western anthropology. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: this is not true of most sane people, including all africa. girls there wanna be with other girls and sing call-and-response all day long. [11:29]
Framedragger: right. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: you can see this in a million places. normal human being eschews reading an announcement, in favour of asking person at the desk personally usian "pleasure of white" zealot eschews interacting with this "because there's nowhere to read what to do and have to talk to people" [11:30]
mircea_popescu: these are very deeply disjunct modes. i'm sure [they like to think] telling us teenager that "honey, never mind what the other girls say, you should have self esteem" works for her. from experience it ~works, for a little anywya. but doth not work for subsaharan chick. at all. [11:31]
Mariono: all anyone use windows to play the game ? [11:31]
mircea_popescu: Mariono there's a few, yeah. [11:31]
shinohai: Mariono: join #eulora [11:31]
Mariono: what is the minimum specs for me to able play the game ? [11:31]
mircea_popescu: well, if you don't use windows, there's ~no minimum specs, i've had it run on ten year old laptops. if you do use windows it's unclear as of yet, some people have had problems but seems to be on random hardware [11:32]
mircea_popescu: still chasing the exact problem. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: but in principle you must have a gfx card, and 256mb of ram. [11:32]
Framedragger: s/funny to be/funny to me/ ^ above [11:33]
asciilifeform: in other noose, the noose spreadz, [11:35]
mircea_popescu: the problem with the political notion of "primitive" is that well, it's the "global warming" from before global warming. there ~is~ a scientific notion of primitive, but it's deeply political inconvenient (such as, primitive society uses hieroglyphics rather than alphabet. making the chinese primitive.) wheres the politically convenient version ("guys in next town over are primitive, because our footbal mascot is a beaver and [11:36]
mircea_popescu: theirs an iguana, and iguana is reptile not mammal") is always "global warm"ism / "intelligent design"ism [11:36]
mircea_popescu: lol wtf he republishes it ? weird. [11:37]
asciilifeform: i have nfi. [11:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i went around looking for 'bios reverser' sites, realized that the community of actual people actually working on subj -- at least in public -- has shrunk to the size of a walnut. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: the whole internet has shrunk to the size of walnut. in english i mean. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: should have never fucking allowed the .coms on. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: !!up haankoammu [11:47]
deedbot: haankoammu voiced for 30 minutes. [11:47]
haankoammu: !!register [11:50]
deedbot: 7CF316AACB136D0BA231A2484AF684686CAB5D45 registered as haankoammu. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: haankoammu you looking for eulora acct ? [11:52]
haankoammu: Yes please! [11:52]
mircea_popescu: !!key haankoammu [11:53]
deedbot: [11:53]
mircea_popescu: shinohai btw put in the tutorial or w/e ? instead of pastebin [11:53]
* trinque also linked in deedbot docs [11:55]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [11:56]
trinque: !!help << first item links to wotpaste [11:57]
deedbot: [11:57]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw can has link to from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ? [11:57]
mircea_popescu: a yes. nice! [11:58]
Framedragger: AHA! and so, eulora becomes the explicit marketing platform for TERRORISM [11:58]
mircea_popescu: doh. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: moar like fhm amirite. [12:06]
mircea_popescu: !!key <Mariono> [12:07]
deedbot: No such key. [12:07]
mircea_popescu: doh [12:07]
mircea_popescu: !!key Mariono [12:07]
deedbot: [12:07]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other noose, the noose spreadz, << What did I tell you? [12:56]
ben_vulpes: << oui, comme Ãa? or too cute. [13:58]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw can has link to from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ? [13:58]
mircea_popescu: Ãa wut [14:05]
asciilifeform: бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК? [14:05]
mircea_popescu: i guess so lol [14:06]
mircea_popescu: "oui, comme Ãa? or too cute." apparently turns into ВХРЮК [14:06]
mircea_popescu: except of course if in quotes [14:06]
mircea_popescu: "Ãa" [14:06]
mircea_popescu: Ãa [14:06]
mircea_popescu: " Ãa" [14:07]
mircea_popescu: god help it. [14:07]
ben_vulpes: help i'm trapped in character encoding hell [14:08]
mircea_popescu: lol [14:09]
ben_vulpes: like fuck i'm going to give a shit about mis-encodings somewhere between os x, tmux, this retarded terminnal application, and linux locales [14:10]
mircea_popescu: yeah dun sweat it [14:10]
ben_vulpes: anyways that works for you? [14:11]
mircea_popescu: odds are it's somewhere in my domain anyway [14:11]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what yuou asked me though [14:11]
ben_vulpes: one of the wotpaste header stars is now a link [14:11]
mircea_popescu: o yeah, works fine [14:11]
mircea_popescu: thanks! [14:11]
ben_vulpes: mk [14:11]
ben_vulpes: anytime [14:11]
* ben_vulpes back to business plans [14:12]
* mircea_popescu wonders how long before frisco fills up with "planned businesshood" offices. [14:12]
ben_vulpes: relatedly, why hasn't that org shattered its brand yet? [14:12]
ben_vulpes: 50+ different institutions would be nigh-impossible for the right to organize a defunding of [14:13]
ben_vulpes: plus think about the costs of rebranding all of the attack ads [14:13]
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone seriously intends to stop giving young women free pills. [14:13]
ben_vulpes: some folks get seriously bent about the abortions tho [14:13]
mircea_popescu: yeah but afaik they just give out pills/condoms ? [14:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu quite likely knows that they ain't phreeee in usa [14:14]
asciilifeform: ask your pets. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: what, seriously ? [14:14]
asciilifeform: aha. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: b ut... why [14:14]
asciilifeform: part of the 'health management' racket. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pets say "they sure did back when i was there" [14:15]
asciilifeform: prescription-only. so as to make the buyers come in for regular 'doctor visit' which costs a few hundy (paid by usg if you're Officially indigent, by hmo if you're a salaried wretch, and by your own pocket if you're neither.) [14:16]
mircea_popescu: young women are always indigent. [14:16]
asciilifeform: Officially Indigent is another thing. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: and doctor visit is a fine idea. a) gets her used to stranger hands up her snatch b) pills do have side effects. [14:17]
asciilifeform: many folks would rather go to african doctor than american. and i can't blame'em. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: many folks'd better get with the program. [14:17]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has detailz. [14:17]
BingoBoingo: AHA, yes. Only one available without exam is "Plan B" [14:18]
mircea_popescu: the notion that females under 30 would be allowed to NOT be vaginally inspected once a month is scandalous. [14:18]
BingoBoingo: But yes, doctor is mandatory because provides target for torts! [14:19]
BingoBoingo: << AHA even church that loves everybody fatshames! [14:20]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the above being perhaps the best explanation of what distinguishes third world from civilised world. "are your women regularly diddled or do they grow fucking cobwebs down there." [14:20]
mircea_popescu: "shaved smooth snatch that saw water today" being reliably what you find between female "students'" legs ~= "civilised world". [14:21]
mircea_popescu: and in the latest in instructional videos / "how to for dummies" : [14:33]
ben_vulpes: aaand in more portlolzland: [15:22]
mircea_popescu: and today in sports : [16:03]
pete_dushenski: japanese looove their baseball [16:05]
pete_dushenski: and blackballs [16:05]
shinohai: In U.S. and A. they treat horses like we in Kazakhstan treat our women. They feed them two times a day. They have them sleep on straw in a small box. And for entertainment, they make them jump over fences while being whipped. [16:05]
pete_dushenski: << not a bad idea actually. cheers. [16:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 10:27 jurov: just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair [16:05]
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'filtration system, a marvel to behoooold!1111' [16:06]
shinohai: wrong buffer my apologies asciilifeform [16:07]
diana_coman: fwiw pete_dushenski I flew with Ryanair and I would advise against them unless you are either a. desperate b. really curious of how a plane can feel like the old-times local bus for local peasants, chicken and other animals combined they have the most obnoxious "service" I ever saw filled with loud and frequent "offers" to buy all sorts and *advertisement* in the cabin not to mention interesting fees such as "fuel fee" (I wou [16:24]
diana_coman: ldn't be surprised if they added meanwhile some "Oxygen fee") [16:24]
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: aha. i've heard similar horror stories and given that it'll be a family trip and that i'm NOTPOOR(tm)(r), i'll probably be looking at deals to the mainland and ~cost-effective~ proposals to the isles. the customer "service" and baggage issues that have been relayed to me previously were similarly cautionary. [16:27]
mircea_popescu: lol [16:28]
mircea_popescu: they finally made the timeshare scam into flight ? [16:29]
diana_coman: oh, I did not mention the backseats that do not recline and the very, VERY limited leg-space [16:29]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: more like they finalyl made the scam into flight [16:31]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 15:08 mircea_popescu: dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars and actual food is already going into a spiral. [16:31]
shinohai: !!key thestringpuller [16:31]
diana_coman: since Lithuania managed to end up in the interesting position of having 2 (at least, I did not even check if it doesn't have more than that) airports and no airline, Ryanair were the only ones to fly directly there [16:31]
deedbot: [16:31]
mircea_popescu: how is lithuania ? [16:31]
diana_coman: still, after one trip with them I prefer by far to fly into Riga and take the bus or car to Vilnius from there [16:31]
pete_dushenski: obligatory, [16:32]
mircea_popescu: ah i recall that. [16:32]
diana_coman: is that kaunas, pete_dushenski ? [16:32]
pete_dushenski: the only and only! [16:33]
pete_dushenski: or one and only, if you prefer [16:33]
diana_coman: aha, yeah, that's the smaller airport, quite all right for what it's used actually [16:33]
pete_dushenski: like most second-biggest cities, kaunus also doesn't feel overly polished, uberglitzed, and overrun with tour busses the way vilnius or riga do [16:35]
pete_dushenski: it's well kept but not ~too~ well kept [16:35]
diana_coman: heh, pete_dushenski have you been to some of the smaller/more provincial ones? Panevezys comes to mind, lol [16:36]
pete_dushenski: iirc i drove through pranvezys on the road back from vilnius to riga but didn't really stop. spent a bit more time in klaipeda and area [16:37]
diana_coman: vilnius got a total makeup when it was eu cultural capital thing (and yes, several locals complained to me that it's worse for all that polish) but the uberglitzed area to my mind is just the very-very small bang-centre: cathedral and that molehill they call the castle [16:38]
diana_coman: well, there is ~nothing to see in Panevezys, that's the point: kind of industrial, provincial town, poor and stinky all around [16:39]
pete_dushenski: heh i can see that. [16:39]
diana_coman: for the more touristical thing I'd say probably Trakai [16:39]
* pete_dushenski looks up trakai, swoons slighty [16:40]
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: it's true that the over-polished vilnius area is scarcely larger than a football pitch, but it's still a chunk of real estate devoid of the character of the rest of the country. eu-ification for all! rationalism uber alles! it's a shame, yes, but mostly for the inconsistently - the partial transplant - like the handsome black man with a single emaciated white arm surgically attached where his [16:46]
pete_dushenski: own once was. it's... off. [16:46]
diana_coman: hmmm, I think you are reading into it from a predefined perspective really [16:47]
diana_coman: they *rebuilt* the damn "castle" [16:47]
diana_coman: out of desperation to have the "lithuanian" thing [16:47]
diana_coman: iirc took out the red pavement on the red street because ahem, RED [16:48]
diana_coman: but you know, they are in the end in quite a pickle because "lithuanian" would be what, Grand Duchy of Lithuania, right? [16:48]
pete_dushenski: lol! and yet this doesn't strike you as surgical mengelism ? [16:48]
diana_coman: it doesn't strike me as specifically eu per se [16:49]
asciilifeform: speaking of baltic heroes, pete_dushenski will probably enjoy . [16:49]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 04:58 asciilifeform: and, somewhat relatedly, . [16:49]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. glanced at it. some people know how to hold a grudge, what can i say. [16:51]
shinohai: !~later tell thestringpuller [16:52]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [16:52]
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: what's specifically 'eu' about the baltic, yugoslavian, romanian, what have you arrangements is that the fancy town squares and rebuilt castles were the bait and switch in exchange for monetary hegemony. there are exceedingly few examples of such peaceful expansion of territory in my historical memory banks (though i'm open to being disabused of this notion) [17:00]
diana_coman: well, at the end of the day that IS the local character previously it was the all-the-same blocky/stocky/commie townhalls, what previous to that it was the catholic cathedrals etc really what you deem "local character" vs "uberglitz, eu-ification" is just a matter of personal preference I'd say I was suggesting you visit Panevezys precisely because that IS more of the "local" character than the well-groomed Kaunas at the en [17:12]
diana_coman: d of the day [17:12]
diana_coman: fwiw Vilnius' really "old" area is slightly behind the so-called "old town" and perhaps the more "artsy" area along the river [17:13]
pete_dushenski: << paging ben_vulpes [17:23]
pete_dushenski: diana_coman: my take on the eu-ification and commie blockiness is the same and quite disjunct from the catholic era : it's that the latter day ("tomorrow is a latter day", anyone?) implementations are superficial and have no particular bearing in the locality. in the same way that having modern art and architecture looks identical worldwide is nauseating, so too is the token clean street in whatever [17:37]
pete_dushenski: eu-expansion capital. it's all to evident that, like the romans in palestine or usd as world reserve or facebook as #1sm, it's a temporary occupation. [17:37]
pete_dushenski: in other transformations, [17:53]
pete_dushenski: << and you thought jooz were shifty. [17:54]
shinohai: <<< Man in gorilla mask shows up at blm protest to hand out bananas wrapped in nooses. [17:56]
pete_dushenski: "According to a news release from the public safety office, freshman Tristan Rettke was charged with civil rights intimidation." << not charged with mocking the gorilla-gendered students ? weird. i guess there's a lot of ways to cut the phony pie. [18:05]
shinohai: Some speech is more protected than others. [18:06]
pete_dushenski: << photo of bathing ape preserved [18:06]
pete_dushenski: shinohai: gorillas inter pares [18:07]
shinohai: lo [18:09]
shinohai: I insist they are not nooses, but merely handy lanyards to assist with transport. [18:10]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: shit damn [18:11]
pete_dushenski: ikr. [18:14]
pete_dushenski: shinohai: sort of like the plastic rings for 6-packs! [18:14]
pete_dushenski: just... southern style [18:14]
shinohai: Exactly! He was probably just concerned about everyone's potassium intake, it's still kinda hot during the day here in the South. [18:15]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: also, i'd humbly suggest ch add at least one layer of embedded replies. also, one excellent habit that i picked up from mp was to answer any and all comments on the blog. it's a two-way street this internet thing and responding with something as simple as a "cheers" is encouraging for readers. [18:17]
pete_dushenski: given that the us pretty much only has soft power left, encouragement is one of its few remaining weapons. [18:18]
ben_vulpes: good points all [18:19]
ben_vulpes: i don't know what you mean by embedded replies [18:20]
pete_dushenski: tabbed, indented [18:20]
ben_vulpes: try <blockquote>? [18:20]
ben_vulpes: oh, the comments themselves [18:20]
pete_dushenski: bingo [18:20]
ben_vulpes: well feedback received. i'm not particularly in the mood to dive into the php any time soon. [18:21]
ben_vulpes: grunting on wwwtronix is bad for the soul. [18:21]
pete_dushenski: no rush, it's your blerg [18:22]
shinohai: <<< I like how there is handy sign asking la gente not to steal the hangars [18:23]
shinohai: What kind of neighborhood do you live in mircea_popescu ? [18:23]
ben_vulpes: lol shinohai karma!!! [18:26]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i would also like to shoot the inane smileys in the head, but there are only so many hours in the day and i only have two hands. [18:27]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i know i'm using heathen-wp but is there not a checkbox in the settings in wp-mp for emoticon switch-off (if that's the smileys you mean) and comment indentation ? [18:29]
ben_vulpes: ah found the nested option [18:30]
ben_vulpes: and the smileys [18:31]
ben_vulpes: thanks pete_dushenski ! [18:31]
pete_dushenski: np amigo [18:31]
ben_vulpes: comments should also approve if you've commented before, but... [18:31]
pete_dushenski: my guess is different ip addys caused the hold-up last time [18:32]
ben_vulpes: c'est possible [18:33]
ben_vulpes: checkbox schmeckbox, nesting doesn't appear to be working [18:33]
* ben_vulpes shrugs [18:33]
pete_dushenski: o.O maybe mircea_popescu has pixie dust he can share then [18:34]
ben_vulpes: possibly the template doesn't support it? [18:35]
pete_dushenski: aha that's entirely possible [18:36]
phf: i don't think classic supports nesting (default does though) [18:36]
ben_vulpes: ah thanks phf [18:36]
ben_vulpes: let me tell you how much i want to port comment threading between wordpress themes [18:37]
pete_dushenski: in other nuts and bolts (of possible interest to machinists present), [18:37]
phf: ben_vulpes: i was using intellij idea to hack on it, and i have to say, it's not that bad. [18:38]
ben_vulpes: that is some grade a advertronix [18:38]
ben_vulpes: odd heat shape [18:39]
ben_vulpes: head* [18:39]
* ben_vulpes now watching midair refueling mishaps on the "joint forces channel" [18:42]
pete_dushenski: bbl. [18:42]
ben_vulpes: "here let us show you how many times we can fuck this up" [18:42]
phf: my recommended for you is "Angelina Jolie Admits To Illuminati Sacrifice In Leaked ..." [18:42]
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, refactoring spreadsheets suxx [18:44]
phf: should've kept some employees to do it for you [18:45]
ben_vulpes: employees [18:52]
ben_vulpes: faugh [18:52]
mircea_popescu: shinohai what do you mean kind ? [19:28]
mircea_popescu: i generally park the girls on a circle a few miles around the local university campus. [19:29]
mircea_popescu: seems to work best for everyone involved. [19:29]
ben_vulpes: phf: sarcasm level at...0? 5? [19:34]
* asciilifeform has a veryspeshulsurprise for folx, coming up. [19:35]
mircea_popescu: << it's a setting in settings. you're not the only one. [19:36]
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log. [19:36]
shinohai: rhetorical question poking fun at hilarious signage xD [19:36]
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1488: invalid continuation byte] [19:36]
mircea_popescu: shinohai ah, that was in the province. some small town north of ba [19:36]
shinohai: I dunno why I find that so delightfully hilarious .... [19:37]
mircea_popescu: hey, you're not the only one :) [19:37]
shinohai: Future home of an Argentine abortion clinic. [19:38]
mircea_popescu: << phf is becoming an online ad network!!1 [19:40]
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log. [19:40]
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1488: invalid continuation byte] [19:40]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger eh could this stop being a thing! [19:40]
ben_vulpes: encoding [19:42]
ben_vulpes: pain [19:42]
shinohai: thestringpuller apparently we missed this giant blockchain meet in Atlanta everyone was a part of [20:01]
shinohai: Standing room only. [20:01]
mod6: in mom's attic [20:08]
shinohai: fluffypony was guest speaker and got monero to sponsor the hot pockets for lunch [20:10]
asciilifeform: aaaaand... [20:54]
deedbot: << Loper OS - How to Make Your Own Lamport Parachute from Common Household Materials. [20:55]
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS [20:55]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al ^ [20:55]
phf: asciilifeform early today [20:55]
asciilifeform: phf: lel [20:55]
* mircea_popescu likes the new blog-inclined alf! [20:57]
asciilifeform: i blame mircea_popescu for this one!111 [20:59]
mircea_popescu: why blame! did you know blaming uses 79 muscles whereas hitting someone over the head only uses 21 ? [21:00]
shinohai: With a V-genesis and all asciilifeform ... impressive stuff [21:01]
asciilifeform: anyone who followed along and was able to (or not...) to fit-in-head, please let me know. [21:02]
mircea_popescu: very apt observation re the value of bitcoin as forever-time-anchor btw. [21:04]
mircea_popescu: most derps miss the important points. [21:05]
asciilifeform: old hat. everything in this piece is old, old hat. but i was unable to turn it up in one place, and so here it goes. [21:05]
mircea_popescu: you know, quantum mechanics is "old hat" in the sense that well... it was there since forever. [21:05]
mircea_popescu: that zdnet article is shockingly braindamaged. [21:09]
asciilifeform: there is not, sadly, a sane exposition known to me. [21:10]
mircea_popescu: by now it's pretty much a game of duck duck goose in republican writings whenever the empire products get linked they stand out like that finger ( ) [21:10]
asciilifeform: lolyes. [21:10]
mircea_popescu: ooooh [21:11]
mircea_popescu: dude, yes. [21:11]
asciilifeform: which yes [21:11]
mircea_popescu: "To make use of such a key, the owner hashes the payload being signed, and for each bit that is equal to 0 in the resulting hash, reveals the original pre-hash string from column A, whereas if it is equal to 1 he reveals a pre-hash string from column B." << this is the RIGHT THING. [21:12]
asciilifeform: aha, the good doktor lamport knew what he was doing. [21:13]
mircea_popescu: do you have a check that A and B count is at least payload bytes ? [21:13]
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, cool! [21:13]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~no checks. [21:14]
asciilifeform: thing is for DIDACTIC use. [21:14]
asciilifeform: write yer own. [21:14]
asciilifeform: like v. [21:14]
mircea_popescu: aite. [21:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it might interest you that your blog sent out 0 pingbacks [21:17]
asciilifeform: iirc i nuked'em [21:18]
mircea_popescu: ah. it is a public disservice though, people reading through eg, one of the trilema pieces you linked, might wish to know that there's something on loper related to the discussion. [21:21]
asciilifeform: i like backlinks to be a deliberate thing, rather than pissed into the aether willy-nilly [21:22]
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants to link to my www, he can do it when ~he~ feels like it [21:22]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. [21:22]
mircea_popescu: well that's a link. a backlink is backwards. [21:22]
phf: fyi, [21:23]
asciilifeform: ty phf ! [21:24]
mircea_popescu: nice [21:24]
mircea_popescu: lol try phf [21:24]
mircea_popescu: anyway, wouldn't it be nice if /patches/ includes a list of all heads ? [21:24]
phf: oh, yeah, i introduced that bug during recent rewrite, and forgot to fix..., it should properly redirect to [21:26]
asciilifeform: << neato. [21:27]
asciilifeform: aaaanyway comments/nitpicks welcome. [21:28]
mircea_popescu: nice [21:29]
mircea_popescu: dude this is such a great thing. [21:29]
asciilifeform: note that we hash the raw random bits, and not their ascii representations. this may seem unnecessary but we do not want any known structure in the inputs to H. [21:37]
mircea_popescu: aha. [21:38]
asciilifeform: lamport did not specify this, but imho it is obvious. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: it is quickly becoming apparent that the one strategic material of the coming war shall be random bits. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: gotta build some oilfields stat. [21:38]
asciilifeform: at least partly the purpose of this piece is to make the reader understand that his household is short on rng bitz. [21:39]
ben_vulpes: i'll keep reading this until my illness subsides and frees my brain [21:47]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: linked piece does not require much brain, fortunately, it is about the simplest publickey sig algo ever devised [21:47]
asciilifeform: ~wholly mathematics-free. [21:48]
shinohai: ./ 256 512 > privkey.txt #Go make tea and smoke [21:50]
asciilifeform: shinohai: or urandom. [21:50]
asciilifeform: if you just really wanna see what happens. [21:50]
shinohai: I'm Patient [21:50]
asciilifeform: shinohai: could take a week, easily. [21:50]
shinohai: O.o ok urandom it is [21:50]
* asciilifeform bbl [21:55]
mod6: asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps): [22:18]
asciilifeform: << oh for fucks sake [22:19]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 02:18 mod6: asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps): [22:19]
asciilifeform: i'ma fix this when i get back up [22:20]
asciilifeform: from bed. [22:20]
asciilifeform: and ruthlessly hunt & kill the old on all of my boxes. [22:20]
mod6: no prob. just thought i'd report. [22:21]
mod6: have a good night [22:21]
asciilifeform: oh i'm not sleeping [22:21]
asciilifeform: just horizontal . [22:22]
mod6: ok :] [22:22]
shinohai: "Go and Rust are compelling, safe languages for writing the type of systems software that has traditionally been written in C." [22:24]
shinohai: Eat your heart out, covertress. [22:25]
BingoBoingo: !!up fromloper [22:25]
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. [22:25]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> just horizontal . << The decadent life of a Saint! [22:25]
asciilifeform: too many deadly sinz here fer sainthood [22:25]
asciilifeform: right now - sloth [22:26]
asciilifeform: ( for a while, lust ) [22:26]
asciilifeform: soon - gluttony [22:26]
BingoBoingo: Only sins when taken to excess. Otherwise merely instincts. [22:27]
mod6: phf: you may want to add the 'makefiles.vpatch' to your patch thingy. [22:49]
deedbot: << Qntra - Datskovskiy Publishes Tool For Making "Parachute" Lamport Keypairs [22:56]
BingoBoingo: Quite the cliffhanger on South Park. Will the Cartman vaginaballs plot be resolved! [23:53]
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