| phf: |
http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-26-aug-2019#2551173 << btcbase is a continuation of kako's log, so there's no timestamp divergence. one log stops at dragon, and the other one starts. never the less i don't rely on dates at all: the entirety of log is stored in an array, so kako entry 123 is (aref *log* 123), likewise current log entry 1931379 is at that particular index in array. |
[04:09] |
| phf: |
fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a |
[04:13] |
| phf: |
"database" lookup by index |
[04:13] |
| mircea_popescu: |
phf, wouldja take it to #asciilifeform or whatever already. |
[06:33] |
| mircea_popescu: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise. |
[07:09] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-26 23:07:47 asciilifeform: the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown. |
[07:09] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i have no intention o fforcing anything like "time", because (as per ancient discussion i suspect meanwhole forgotten but which i still remember) fiat time is doomed non-republican construct. |
[07:11] |
| mircea_popescu: |
blockheight is the republican timekeeping item, and in the case of logs that's self-evidently line counts. |
[07:11] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ie, not only im never gonna mandate inca's "ntp", but i'm not even going to make anything like it. |
[07:12] |
| mircea_popescu: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931347 << it'll be a customs nightmare / attention grabber, doesn't seem worthwhile. |
[07:13] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-26 23:11:36 asciilifeform: relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box. |
[07:13] |
| feedbot: |
http://trilema.com/2019/42nd-street/ << Trilema -- 42nd Street |
[07:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931356 << the main headache is that the segment of a url past the anchor (#) is never sent to server . |
[11:00] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 07:09:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise. |
[11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
sure it is |
[11:00] |
| asciilifeform: |
nope. |
[11:00] |
| asciilifeform: |
rtfm plz. |
[11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
noa hat. |
[11:00] |
| asciilifeform: |
if it were , would be trivial |
[11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
179.43.*.* - - [27/Aug/2019:08:22:26 -0400] "POST /wp-comments-post.php HTTP/1.0" 500 963 "http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/#comment-116893" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0 Win64 x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/67.0.3396.62 Safari/537.36" |
[11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
5 << direct quote from my server log. |
[11:01] |
| asciilifeform: |
interesting. spec seems to say they ought not, so i suspect not erry browser sends |
[11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: |
not every browser cca 1999 or some shit. by now, you can rely on it. |
[11:02] |
| asciilifeform: |
or hrm that's a refer url mircea_popescu |
[11:03] |
| asciilifeform: |
not a load url |
[11:03] |
| asciilifeform: |
this dun do anyffin for us re problem |
[11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: |
eh wtj |
[11:04] |
| * asciilifeform |
tried various browsers, all behave to spec, i.e. none send url-cum-anchor as part of get or post ( ff and chrome do put it in referrer, but it's quite useless for this job, i need a scheme where url entered by hand or otherwise no ref hdr , is valid ) |
[11:08] |
| mircea_popescu: |
asciilifeform, seems right you are, wtf. |
[11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i could've sworn.... |
[11:17] |
| asciilifeform: |
ikr. i also thought ! |
[11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
this becomes quite inconvenient then, end up with duplicate field or wtf. |
[11:17] |
| asciilifeform: |
it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch |
[11:17] |
| asciilifeform: |
unless im missing sumthing |
[11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
let this sit for a little we think more of it. |
[11:18] |
| asciilifeform: |
hence wai i posed the q. maybe trinque or lobbes , serious wwwists, can crack this one. |
[11:19] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931361 << imho clock is a luxury and in foreseeable future i'ma only load essentials into the crates. but the good noose is, rubidium has halflife of ~5e10 yrs and aint setting off any alarms. while cesium clock uses the stable 133 . problem is rather that the buggers are heavy and can't be had , seems, in anyffin smaller than 2U . |
[11:21] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 07:13:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931347 << it'll be a customs nightmare / attention grabber, doesn't seem worthwhile. |
[11:21] |
| asciilifeform: |
( ftr -- clocks look exactly like servers, just with bnc jack and mains , no other plugs ) |
[11:22] |
| asciilifeform: |
oh hm apparently i was wrong re the cheaper rb -- chinese sell ~pocket-sized unit . but still headache, would have to interface it somehow. |
[11:26] |
| asciilifeform: |
my contention 'clock is luxury' is based on thought similar to mircea_popescu's, i.e. it dun make sense to bother unless yer doing shortwave or similar application where the intervals gotta be utterly fixed or no go entirely |
[11:28] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 07:12:48 mircea_popescu: ie, not only im never gonna mandate inca's "ntp", but i'm not even going to make anything like it. |
[11:28] |
| asciilifeform: |
( whereas 'ntpism' , i.e. networked clocks, make sense in 0 case, it's simply riotously dumb idea, packet delay aint deterministic . ntpism is pure inca scamola. ) |
[11:30] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing ! |
[11:35] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 04:13:06 phf: fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a |
[11:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
dates gotta be decorative and work correctly while being so, or oughta go entirely. |
[11:35] |
| mircea_popescu: |
asciilifeform, more importantly, how do i searc for the string "don't have" ? |
[11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i specificalty recall describing this situation in munchen whereby i took cab driver all over bars, trying to find some with decent seating, didn't find any, at end dude was like "well, there's no more left on the list, you have to sit here" and i was like "bitch, i dun have to anything" |
[11:43] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: quoted strings? indeed still gotta bake'em ( see in readme.txt, they're on the listof missing essentials , and errybody grumbles, i'ma do these next ) |
[11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: |
cool. |
[11:47] |
| asciilifeform: |
pagination of srch output also |
[11:47] |
| * asciilifeform |
will use same scheme as in phuctor for the latter |
[11:48] |
| asciilifeform: |
possibly lobbes et al will beat me to it, submit a patch. |
[11:49] |
| * asciilifeform |
was muchly hoping not to end up birthing whole logotron with solely own hands . |
[11:49] |
| asciilifeform: |
most recent gripe re quotes |
[11:52] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-26 14:28:11 shrysr_: thanks asciilifeform and BingoBoingo. also since 'pki' throws up stuff like 'napkin' - is there a way to narrow this down in the search? |
[11:52] |
| asciilifeform: |
for thrd-completeness, also painfully missing are back/fwd linkages a la phf, but these need working date/era handling before i even dare to touch the q |
[11:53] |
| feedbot: |
http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catfish-the-real-danger-of-social-media-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Catfish: The Real Danger Of Social Media. Adnotated. |
[13:02] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: 4th link in note 1 is borked |
[13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: |
yes, missing the actual link / |
[13:12] |
| asciilifeform: |
'masturbated to the same exact theme' in #2 has a 'b' but no terminator |
[13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: |
deliberate. cuz it's the keyword, repeats throughot article |
[13:14] |
| asciilifeform: |
dun seem to display the keyword on any of my browser tho |
[13:15] |
| asciilifeform: |
( is it meant to ? ) |
[13:15] |
| mircea_popescu: |
meanwhile in diana_coman roulette, http://ossasepia.com/2009/11/15/cine-sunt-eu/ |
[13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: |
asciilifeform, nah, it's not expected to work atm. trying to figure out what i want here. |
[13:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
a. |
[13:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
in #20 'Learn how to turn shit off, what' also borked. |
[13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: |
also because missing the link. |
[13:20] |
| mircea_popescu: |
do you recall it btw ? |
[13:20] |
| asciilifeform: |
not afaik |
[13:21] |
| asciilifeform: |
there's coupla moar of these, but i'ma leave off, evidently mircea_popescu still fillin'em in |
[13:22] |
| * mircea_popescu |
prays at the shrine of lost references |
[13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: |
asciilifeform, if there's one of those <A href=[word description] broken links, the most useful thing is the link, if known |
[13:23] |
| asciilifeform: |
sometimes i get notion that the hunted item is in mircea_popescu's www, but difficult to test given no search box . |
[13:24] |
| mircea_popescu: |
fucking useless even with search box / |
[13:25] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i dunno wtf i'm going to do here, but it's becoming a serious problem, i'm starting to bump against an objective limit in reality. |
[13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i spent 60% of the time with that article hunting for references. |
[13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i don't think i have the stomach for more which is why the publish-with-drescriptions-instead-of-links model, it's the choice of this or not fucking publish at all. |
[13:26] |
| asciilifeform: |
yea makes sense |
[13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: |
add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here |
[13:27] |
| * asciilifeform |
read maybe 10%, max, of tlp corpus, for this reason. it's just barely digestible to asciilifeform's enzymes. |
[13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: |
"i thought he was a great guy, right, so then i moved in with him, and OMFG HE IS INSUFFERABLE |
[13:28] |
| asciilifeform: |
in iirc '09 when asciilifeform 1st encountered tlp , thought 'insufferable, but occasionally emits interesting point by sheer accident' |
[13:29] |
| asciilifeform: |
i actually had tlp pegged in my head as a dour, aged, 'feminism'-flavoured chix |
[13:30] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: speaking of 'starting to bump against an objective limit', it's starting to look like ethernet switch bulk is the limiting reactant for 'how many rk/similar can pack into box' |
[14:38] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-26 23:58:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile in frustrations, for third day digging for a usable 1u-embeddable GB lan switch for piz , found none |
[14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: |
2u niot the end of the word is it ? |
[14:40] |
| asciilifeform: |
well, half the density, i.e. double the transport cost. |
[14:41] |
| mircea_popescu: |
huh ? |
[14:41] |
| asciilifeform: |
largest normal-looking suitcase comfortably houses 2u of irons . |
[14:41] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ah so you got 4u budget ? |
[14:44] |
| asciilifeform: |
1u chassis actually fits 16 rk with comfortable air flow. and their ps. but no GB switch seems to exist, of requisite size, that'd fit inside, even if stripped of own chassis. |
[14:44] |
| asciilifeform: |
aha |
[14:44] |
| asciilifeform: |
4u is the most that can be reliably carried as 'konsoomer luggage' . |
[14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: |
so it's like 1k/u transport costs as it is uhh |
[14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: |
huh& |
[14:45] |
| asciilifeform: |
moar like 500 / 1u (per last expedition) |
[14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ah, tickets not that expensive ? |
[14:45] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: i used 'cattle car class', see. |
[14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: |
aha |
[14:46] |
| asciilifeform: |
transport costs from 1st exped. , for thrd-completeness. |
[14:50] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2018-05-01 20:40:40 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_apr_parts.txt |
[14:50] |
| asciilifeform: |
^ 560.5 $ per 1u . keep in mind that asciilifeform for 'belt and suspenders' made a lengthier than strictly necessary expedition . ( in fact used all but 1 of the padding days, walking with BingoBoingo to hunt for missing small parts, tuning boxen , etc ) |
[14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: |
how much is the material cost per u ? |
[14:53] |
| asciilifeform: |
material ? depends what's in the 1u in question, neh |
[14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: |
the ones youre taking |
[14:54] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: the ones for mircea_popescu , are looking to cost 1-1.5 k ($) ea. (still hunting for the exact machines we use, the old seller seems to have vanished) . rk plant will cost ~1k , not counting drives (and switch, which, grrr, not found yet!) for a plant of 16 subunits. the remaining 1u is to be apu1 (4x) , not drawn yet so i daren't say exactly what costs, expect also in vicinity of 1k (sans disk). |
[14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: |
might be worth it to put a coupla us in a box, test whether can be taken through ? |
[14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: |
at 4u/trip you fill a cabinet each decade |
[14:58] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: it's a calculable function. 4 'heavy' (32cpu opterons) added up to just 5kg short of the max permitted 'overweight'. anything lighter (e.g. rk plant) poses no pain from mass pov. but the suitcases i (specifically) bought for expeditions, are in fact of max permitted phys. dimensions. (w/ 2 u in ea. + paddings and fixators.) |
[14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: |
asciilifeform, you can actually ship an oversized box can't you ? or do usg airlines not sell this ? |
[14:58] |
| asciilifeform: |
last time i rtfm'd , 'copa' (the 1 usable co.) permitted over-mass XOR over-dimension . |
[14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: |
imo you should ask when you buy tickets |
[14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: |
"hey, i also have this one box, can you carry it ?" |
[14:59] |
| asciilifeform: |
funnily enuff i did. ( in fact was uncertain until last moment that the actual 2 crates would fly, the co's www is retarded) |
[15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i don't mean, your luggage. |
[15:00] |
| asciilifeform: |
well i was 5kg short of the max load, so 3rd box would've had to be <5, even supposing they'd take another 300 and eat it |
[15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i dunno what this max load is. |
[15:01] |
| asciilifeform: |
100kg. |
[15:01] |
| asciilifeform: |
( i.e. ~with~ the surcharge , is what one gets from this vendor ) |
[15:02] |
| asciilifeform: |
anyffing bigger, gets 'cargo' treatment, and full customs orchestra. |
[15:02] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingostani customs is a circus one could almost write book about. they for instance didn't give a rat's arse re the 1us. but demanded to know why 6x 'high tech!111 omfg'-looking rk's in the carry-on. ( rk pilot plant was assembled on-site, in hotel... ) |
[15:04] |
| asciilifeform: |
ben_vulpes , if recall, somehow botched , so that even his 1us ended up weighed and taxed like silver bricks. |
[15:06] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: 'take decade to fill rack' is less of a problem than seems -- if could fully tenant e.g. 32 rk's or equiv, already pays for entire dc bill. |
[15:08] |
| BingoBoingo: |
asciilifeform: The failure in that run was at the US check in counter. There's a max weight on any piece designated "luggage" rather than "cargo", hard limit enforced by baggage handler's work rules |
[15:08] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: indeed it was. there was a grunt with a scale, weighed and tape-measured each trunk. |
[15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ic |
[15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: |
well, imo getting a lot of gear there asap would be very much beneficial for everyone. |
[15:09] |
| BingoBoingo: |
The problems at Customes rose out of impromptu third bag getting left in Brasil, arriving to Uruguay on a different plane than Herr Vulpes |
[15:09] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: i intend to pack the crates 'to the waterline' , just like last go. |
[15:10] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: rright, and ended up ~doubling his cost. |
[15:10] |
| mircea_popescu: |
asciilifeform, fwiw the story you're telling does not convince me. |
[15:11] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: hm ? |
[15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: |
specifically, have you asked copa if they will carry a box for you. this is not an euphemism for a piece of luggage, it is a straight name for a cardboard fucking box. it is also not related to bv's misadventure with sleeping and routing and w/e. |
[15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: |
IF indeed the box is carried, and IF indeed customs want money, you can just abandon it, fo ra fixed cost of whatever you put in it. |
[15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: |
this may be a very good deal, seeing how pizarro is eating your bone marrow, at a fixed monthly cost, and you do two trips a year, worth a few u each. |
[15:13] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: ben ended up with customs pawing ~all~ of his boxes on acct of the excess. |
[15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: |
risking a few k to not have to waste another 6 months dithering about how "oh, i guess we should talk to people o hurr durr we have not what to sell" is a genius move, |
[15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: |
at least compared to what idiocy passes for business as usual over there. |
[15:13] |
| asciilifeform: |
if it were just a q of 'hey i'ma bring a 3rd and see if they eat it' would happily bring 3rd. but there was in fact a d00d with a scale there, and calculator, adding up box0...boxN and if >100kg then 'nope' |
[15:14] |
| asciilifeform: |
several folx got sent away with 'nope' in the queue. |
[15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: |
there where ? |
[15:14] |
| asciilifeform: |
in the usa end, where one goes an' gets the ticket punched. |
[15:14] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ask coppa if they will carry. |
[15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: |
i have had them carry in excess of a quarter ton for me. ASIDE from luggage. |
[15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: |
if they carry, the dude with ruler is welcome to stuff it, you bought ticket from your airline not from him/ |
[15:15] |
| asciilifeform: |
mircea_popescu: what did it cost ? |
[15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: |
~60% of what fedex'd have been |
[15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: |
otherwise, would have fedex'd. |
[15:15] |
| asciilifeform: |
when i bought ticket, the annoying fucks wouldn't even take prepay of the surcharge when selling ticket, proclaimed 'you pay it at airport' |
[15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: |
so buy ticket at airport ? |
[15:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
and pay 2x. |
[15:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
i bought month in advance. |
[15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: |
possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires" |
[15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: |
ah, already bought ? |
[15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: |
then none of the foregoingd applies. |
[15:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
not bought yet, can't buy until all irons pass test |
[15:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
otherwise risk ending up sucking own elbow |
[15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
in that case, ask them/. |
[15:17] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Important part of cardboard box exercise is likely to mean finding airport with COPA desk asciilifeform checks in at rather than United or whoever doing a codeshare on the to panama link |
[15:17] |
| asciilifeform: |
i'ma defo ask, and play the 'phone tag', like last time. but expect similar result. |
[15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
BingoBoingo, has it. |
[15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: |
gotta deal with copa specifically, not with ustardistani interface |
[15:18] |
| BingoBoingo: |
May mean reaching out to lobbes or Mocky and setting up a bit of a road trip |
[15:18] |
| asciilifeform: |
btw it dun matter of what the box is made, or that it resembles suitcase (other than possibly for orc customs). the dimensions thing is applied by monkey on the usa end. |
[15:18] |
| asciilifeform: |
btw if e.g. rk plant gets eaten, lose considerably moar than ~1k, there's a great bit of hand-craft involved in making these. |
[15:20] |
| mircea_popescu: |
business is all about identifying these things, writing the correct numbers down, and then comparing sums. |
[15:21] |
| asciilifeform: |
well yes. |
[15:22] |
| asciilifeform: |
there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved . |
[15:22] |
| asciilifeform: |
( the hero to move boxen instead of asciilifeform , has not yet stood up. ) |
[15:23] |
| asciilifeform: |
where incidentally is Mocky ? |
[15:23] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931500 << incidentally i priced 'fexed', their cost is actually comparable to ' asciilifeform-ex ' . problem is that all fedex'd crates end up getting the full orc treatment. |
[15:25] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 15:15:47 mircea_popescu: ~60% of what fedex'd have been |
[15:25] |
| asciilifeform: |
*fedex |
[15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: |
aha |
[15:25] |
| asciilifeform: |
re mircea_popescu's quarter tonne -- per last yr's specs , they were formally willing to move up to 150kg -- from anywhere other than usa. |
[15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: |
heh |
[15:27] |
| asciilifeform: |
'copa' is... interesting co. for instance, return flight got stuck in panama for extra 20min on acct of some fuckwit who couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead compartment. |
[15:29] |
| asciilifeform: |
( in usa bouncers would come and beat such fella black and blue and throw out of gate. but orcs. ) |
[15:29] |
| asciilifeform: |
the folx i told in meatspace about this, no one believed. 'yer fucking with me' |
[15:30] |
| asciilifeform: |
also oblg. apropos of ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ >> all 4 planes were ~half full . |
[15:31] |
| * asciilifeform |
did not complain, got to sleep horizontally... |
[15:31] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931506 << us-tardation , if it were ~deterministic~ , would be considerably less headache . but it , sadly, aint. ( for instance asciilifeform never had problem with wire. but that's 0..n, no one knows re n+1... ) |
[15:35] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 15:16:40 mircea_popescu: possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires" |
[15:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: btw occurs to me , you have a 'copa' counter in BingoBoingostan somewhere. consider inquiring what costs round trip ~from~ BingoBoingostan. it isn't impossible that it'd be cheaper for BingoBoingo to ~pick up~ crates. |
[16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: |
not a bad idea at that. you can by round trip from us in uy for that matter |
[16:19] |
| * mircea_popescu |
does this occasionally, |
[16:19] |
| asciilifeform: |
even if costs ~same, conceivably could work around asciilifeform's major handicap, i.e. that he can only go 1 (w/ 'afterburners' , maybe 2x) / yr on acct of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931521 |
[16:21] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 15:22:15 asciilifeform: there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved . |
[16:21] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo would not have to get hotel, either, could sleep in hammock in asciilifeform's 'nazi sub' |
[16:22] |
| asciilifeform: |
supposing there aint orc-generated bureaucratic problem in re BingoBoingo going into usa for day or 2, may be workable. |
[16:23] |
| asciilifeform: |
(the 1 headache is that BingoBoingo's station would end up unmanned for the interval.) |
[16:24] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Well, second headache is that coming into UY they tend to care more about payloads moved by UY living folks |
[16:26] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: i dun recall the orcs asking me where i lived. you give'em the usa passport and is all. |
[16:26] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: iirc you haven't burned yours yet. so oughta work |
[16:27] |
| lobbes: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931516 << ftr, I do have a free room in apartment lordship always welcome as long as I know enough in advance. Though I did some research and it is doubtful if CLT has a copa counter (I could always check on foot to confirm). Loox like closest one may be in Florida |
[16:27] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 15:18:17 BingoBoingo: May mean reaching out to lobbes or Mocky and setting up a bit of a road trip |
[16:27] |
| asciilifeform: |
lobbes: you are where ? |
[16:28] |
| lobbes: |
Charlotte, NC (about half hour from airport and halfway from D.C to FL it seems) |
[16:28] |
| asciilifeform: |
afaik the only 'full scale' office of theirs is in fl |
[16:28] |
| asciilifeform: |
'miami mecca'(tm) |
[16:29] |
| lobbes: |
yeah, looks like miami and LA >> https://www.copaair.com/en/web/gs/copa-courier-offices |
[16:29] |
| lobbes: |
hmm, but wtf, now this says there is an office in the Washington Dulles Airport >> https://www.copacargo.com/html/user/default.aspx?PageId=5&lang=en |
[16:32] |
| * lobbes |
has no idea |
[16:32] |
| asciilifeform: |
lobbes: there was 'office' in the bmore airport from which i went. but it was the kind where no one to haggle with, 'here is machine, wouldja like to buy new ticket for 3x what you paid month ago?' 'here we measure the trunks' etc |
[16:33] |
| asciilifeform: |
for all i know, is exactly what is in fl and la also. |
[16:33] |
| lobbes: |
yea, hard to ascertain over the interwebz |
[16:34] |
| lobbes: |
call em' maybe |
[16:34] |
| lobbes: |
in any case, my pad is open if road-trip stop is needed at any point |
[16:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
i'ma have to call'em (and specifically that city's, vs the 'national' one) |
[16:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
other potential headache is that they'll happily offer to carry e.g. +100kg aaand it'll end up 'cargo' and get ben_vulpes'd. |
[16:35] |
| asciilifeform: |
so far all i got is 2 experimental data points re expeditions, ben's and mine. |
[16:36] |
| BingoBoingo: |
As long as everything has invoices you can present, customs doesn't *have* to be multi-day ordeal |
[16:39] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: dun matter how many day ordeal, cost will still be 2+x of otherwise. |
[16:40] |
| asciilifeform: |
it'd end up same as if fedex'd. |
[16:40] |
| * BingoBoingo |
unenthused about returning to US without warships and "viking hanglider" |
[16:44] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: hey , i work as full-time canary in that coal mine... |
[16:45] |
| BingoBoingo: |
It's not simply existential gasenwagen risk. Its that going to the US involves dealing with all sorts of uniformed monkees on arrival. Every single uniform monkey encountered in the US is an unpleasant experience. |
[16:51] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Down here, no one hates me for the color of my skin. One of my last memories of the US was the TSA monkeys and the contempt that bled through everything the agent that handled me did. |
[16:57] |
| BingoBoingo: |
His skin hate radiated. |
[16:57] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: i won't dispute that it's quite unpleasant. but will remind, i sit there year-round |
[17:05] |
| asciilifeform: |
fwiw the inspector monkeys in usa , such that i saw in washingtonistan, were harmless, sat and played tetrisen on pnojes |
[17:06] |
| BingoBoingo: |
I have trouble understanding how you manage to after having traveled outside the zone. |
[17:06] |
| asciilifeform: |
mostly sad white d00dz , in their 20s, there was no slot at patent office for'em, evidently |
[17:06] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: i manage to so that to conjure up with what to power asciilifeform's little orchestra, which includes e.g. the expedition and its payload. |
[17:07] |
| asciilifeform: |
if i knew how to do this in antarctica -- would do it there. would prefer the company of the penguins to ameri-muppets, verily. |
[17:08] |
| BingoBoingo: |
STL Lambert Intl was all ghetto kangz and queenz pissed whitey would dare take a flight in the morning and justifying the TSA being at the Airport at that hour. |
[17:09] |
| asciilifeform: |
interesting. one might naively imagine that bmore port would consist of these -- but it didn't. |
[17:09] |
| asciilifeform: |
i suppose they're all manning lafond's shop |
[17:09] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Meanwhile in local news, the absolute worst thing done by same demographic, different destination: https://archive.is/7ovs0 "Eso, después de un paseo por Malvin hoy, en varias plazas ví macumbas con pollos decapitados, frutas por doquier y velas, alguien sabe quién las hace, por qué y si es legal? Dejan todo tirado y a mí me parece sumamente asqueroso" |
[17:10] |
| asciilifeform: |
pollos decapitados ? lol -- vooddists ? |
[17:11] |
| BingoBoingo: |
Yeah, old black women littering |
[17:12] |
| asciilifeform: |
oh hey loox like i have my notes mixed up -- bmore is from where went to argentina. to BingoBoingo went from dulles (greater washingtonistan) |
[17:12] |
| * asciilifeform |
goes, always , from where cheapest , to the penny |
[17:13] |
| * asciilifeform |
wonders if the folx at http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931579 are moar 'uppity' on acct of distance from the payola trough mecca |
[17:16] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 17:09:15 BingoBoingo: STL Lambert Intl was all ghetto kangz and queenz pissed whitey would dare take a flight in the morning and justifying the TSA being at the Airport at that hour. |
[17:16] |
| asciilifeform: |
i've stood in multi-kilometre queues in ameri-airports. but never yet encountered any of the famous abuses. |
[17:18] |
| asciilifeform: |
the only times had to even haggle, was with orcs in orcistans. |
[17:19] |
| asciilifeform: |
'esteemed sir inspector, wouldja like to see how this machine worx?' 'get outta my sight' |
[17:23] |
| BingoBoingo: |
I don't know where a multi-kilometer line isn't an abuse in itself |
[17:26] |
| asciilifeform: |
as i understand, you get those always, unless you've yer own airplane. |
[17:27] |
| asciilifeform: |
after 1st trip ( mircea_popescu's ro ) , asciilifeform bought that subscription for 'get back in usa w/out line', was worth erry penny |
[17:28] |
| asciilifeform: |
still line to come ~out~ tho. |
[17:28] |
| * asciilifeform |
previously to mircea_popescu's party in timis, asciilifeform spent 20y not even having occasion to go in airplane anywhere. |
[17:29] |
| asciilifeform: |
( why? from combination of 'to where to go?' and 'when?' ) |
[17:31] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-25 18:53:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: to add a few brush strokes to the picture of usa -- and perhaps already you knew -- 1) most folx get ~0 'vacation'. they nominally get '2 wks' but is reserved in practice for illness 2) are paid just enuff to stay alive (and locate themselves within vicinity of the mines) , 2-3 missed weeks of pay means destitution . |
[17:31] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931572 << i suspect exaggerated. even when i went to heart of lafondistan, 'darkest africa', when attempted to buy dilapidated building -- went into where the orcs were, their 'food depot' even, and no one put knife in, no one even spat in asciilifeform's face or even could be aroused to utter insult |
[17:36] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 16:57:51 BingoBoingo: His skin hate radiated. |
[17:36] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2016-07-03 14:15:17 asciilifeform: if you can call 'food depot' etc. living. |
[17:36] |
| asciilifeform: |
the poor zeks gave much moar impression of being ~tired~ of life, rather than belligerent . |
[17:36] |
| asciilifeform: |
iirc mircea_popescu had even moar picturesque story, where not only not insulted but had excellent rapport w/ entire bus fulla these , and they all asked for him to become their che guevara |
[17:38] |
| BingoBoingo: |
asciilifeform: up through mid-Obama I dealing even with the uniformed sort could be very pleasant. |
[17:39] |
| asciilifeform: |
BingoBoingo: i dunno how many of these folx at any given time even know who is on the iron throne. |
[17:42] |
| asciilifeform: |
they live in entirely parallel universe, the 1 described in mircea_popescu's 'the tide dollar' piece. |
[17:42] |
| lobbes: |
I remember for about 4 years or so I lived in an apartment literally on the "other side of the railroad tracks" (this was back in northern Ohio I've bounced around the country). It was predominantly darker skinned folk, and I am a super-white ginger. Never had a single issue everyone was friendly towards me. One time the entire parking lot was "robbed" all cars broken into but mine was passed over |
[21:27] |
| lobbes: |
somehow. |
[21:27] |
| lobbes: |
Hell, at one point I even played guitar in the local all-black church. The only thing that made me uncomfortable about that was the fact that I have 0 belief in a god, and that the damn band leader would never give me the song list no matter how much I asked. Always had to improvise. |
[21:28] |
| lobbes: |
!!up shrysr |
[21:36] |
| deedbot: |
shrysr voiced for 30 minutes. |
[21:36] |
| lobbes: |
I used to fly a lot too, tho, and regardless of the skin color the TSA monkeys were always unpleasant to deal with. I would always feel raped by the time I was done getting through the lines complete with my pants falling down and holding my shoes while running for my flight. |
[21:51] |
| asciilifeform: |
lobbes: different rapes for different folx, i suspect. asciilifeform for instance 'feels raped' much moar greatly by the tax collector, than by the ceremonial funnel where one is to put shoes at bushized airport. |
[22:33] |
| asciilifeform: |
incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped |
[22:40] |
| asciilifeform: |
see also e.g. |
[22:41] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2017-06-19 13:21:57 asciilifeform: 'недобитый kulak dekulakized!' newz at 11 |
[22:41] |
| asciilifeform: |
or see also mircea_popescu's 'buffett's tax' piece . |
[22:44] |
| asciilifeform: |
i.e. where 'class war!111' fuckwits in usa cheered at 'raise tax rate' until then find ~themselves~ expected to pay same % as buffett would pay if he were to ever pay at all |
[22:46] |
| asciilifeform: |
unlike expert entomologists like mircea_popescu , trinque , et al, i dun have much contact with the 'illiterate 20yos' set, but enuff to know that they somehow think 'rich' is what their employed older brothers , parents, are, they have no concept of the real thing even in head |
[22:48] |
| asciilifeform: |
so idjits go, 'tax the rich!111', buffett : 'yes, yes, tax the rich', while he cackles 'all the way to bank' |
[22:50] |
| asciilifeform: |
the old reds had a point when wrote 'you cannot disassemble the master's house with the master's tools' or what was it. |
[22:57] |
| BingoBoingo: |
My impression of the TSA was welfare folks pissed they had to show up somewhere and do some motions to get their dole |
[23:09] |
| lobbes: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931614 << oya the "occupy butt street" idjits I went to school with back in the day got hard-ons at "taxing those rich bastards who dare to create industry" |
[23:13] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 22:40:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped |
[23:13] |
| lobbes: |
amusingly, to this day, however I'll always dress in a suit for air travel. After enough experimenting I discovered that indeed I get better treatment when I do (often am addressed with 'sir' than when in jeanz and t-shirt, get moar attention from the attendants etc). Why? Because the airlines *know* that a huge % of their business comes from... repeat business travelers! Can't kill industry |
[23:13] |
| lobbes: |
but these beasts, as BingoBoingo points, are different items from the TSA monkeys who are mostly the welfare folx |
[23:13] |
| asciilifeform: |
lobbes: even ill-fitting suit that'd look at home on a defrocked ex-maffs prof turned hobo, worx a++ wonders in airport. |
[23:22] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931623 << the rage aint even misplaced -- 0 of the folx alive presently, king or slave, had ~anyffin to do with 'create industry'. futile rage, is all. |
[23:25] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 23:13:14 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931614 << oya the "occupy butt street" idjits I went to school with back in the day got hard-ons at "taxing those rich bastards who dare to create industry" |
[23:25] |
| asciilifeform: |
for futile rage of farm animal, convenient victim doll will be given. in 1940 same raging plebes wanted 'gas rothchild'. instead gassed shoemakers who used to fix their shoes, tailor who usedto fix their coat. rothchild unscathed, richer than ever. |
[23:29] |
| asciilifeform: |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931622 << starvation wage in combination with utterly, screamingly pointless work, will do that |
[23:34] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 23:09:35 BingoBoingo: My impression of the TSA was welfare folks pissed they had to show up somewhere and do some motions to get their dole |
[23:34] |
| asciilifeform: |
meanwhile, folx queued for piz even. |
[23:45] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-27 18:54:53 thimbronion: FYI if you get more rockchips in I will lease one. |
[23:45] |
| lobbes: |
In other news, I just applied the suggested html comments bug fix from diana_coman to blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-76 |
[23:46] |
| lobbes: |
seems to be working fine, but plox anyone to let me know if oddities |
[23:47] |
| lobbes: |
and ty hanbot for the authoring the fix! |
[23:48] |
| lobbes: |
I noticed that the test comment went through much quicker, so perhaps this also was the potential bug mp encountered |
[23:52] |
| snsabot: |
Logged on 2019-08-26 17:49:51 mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, your blog takes an ungodly amt of time to take a comment. must be some kinda bug somewheres. |
[23:52] |
| lobbes: |
hanbot's patch removed a query to a table that did not exist in my mysql database, so perhaps this was the cause of the lag time will tell I guess |
[23:52] |
| lobbes: |
now to get proper server-side selection working |
[23:53] |
