Forum logs for 25 Feb 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: nuts. [01:27]
mircea_popescu: "analytical philosophy", as the currently preferred endonym for "typical anglo provincialism", ie the attempt at naive extension of "common sense" and broadly dysfunctional medieval solipsisms is methodologically sound, but unfortunately fundamentally rotten, and in the most laughable ways at that. "postmodernism", as the anglotard xenonym for, mostly, post-structuralism, is fundamentally sound, but unfortunately methodologic [03:04]
mircea_popescu: ally rotten in most applications you're likely to encounter. as it stands, between the "mechanical birdwing" that never could possibly take off and the early aeroplane that generally crashes and burns, you're stuck picking the latter. [03:04]
mircea_popescu: oops. [03:04]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'the new linus torvalds' lulz: >> 'The price advantage of ARM will never be there for ARM servers unless you get enough volume to make up for the absolutely huge advantage in server volume that Intel has right now ... no real advantage to ARM ... basic economics ... this is why the PC took over, and why everything else died ... you're going to be a tiny minority ... x86 won' [13:31]
mircea_popescu: aww. is this all over again ? [13:34]
asciilifeform: loox like! [13:34]
asciilifeform: pretty fast turnaround, gotta say [13:35]
mircea_popescu: check out what changed in 4 years alfie, back in 2015 we had to ~go there~. now they sit around reading the log on their own dime, to "preemptively" etc. [13:35]
asciilifeform: riotously wtf. but i can't picture how else. [13:36]
asciilifeform: wai ~now~ 'surrender, arm is dead' etc [13:36]
mircea_popescu: whatever. there's better shows in town, anyway. [13:39]
* asciilifeform doesn't even ~like~ arm much, but it remains the case that it's the 1 green leaf in the garbage disposal of non-x86 atm [13:40]
* asciilifeform still curious how they maintain the lulzstatusquo [13:41]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 01:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not even 'tb', but go an' try to find on market arm box of ~any~ description that eats ordinary socketed dimms [13:41]
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, reich 'soft banned' arm mobos with socketed rams [13:43]
asciilifeform: ( not simply arm, either, but ~anyffin~ non-x86 ) [13:44]
feedbot: << Trilema -- Well, since I started, might as well... [13:46]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> check out what changed in 4 years alfie, back in 2015 we had to ~go there~. now they sit around reading the log on their own dime, to "preemptively" etc. << very true [14:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly tenuously, hence the lulz. [14:06]
asciilifeform: so far i only found that 1 chinese box, costing its weight in silver, etc. but this does not disprove mircea_popescu's hypothesis. [14:08]
BingoBoingo: The Chicoms keep teasing socketed ARM, and then... [14:08]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik no socketable arm (as in cpu per se) has ever been offered. [14:08]
asciilifeform: (not since acorn anyway) [14:08]
BingoBoingo: Forgot to spec socketed RAM. I haven't even seen socketed chip teases [14:09]
asciilifeform: ftr there is a (theoretical) 'innocent' explanation for 'nuffin socketed' -- at current-day freqs, sockets actually cost comparably with the chip [14:11]
asciilifeform: cuz impedance-tolerance is tight. [14:11]
asciilifeform: ( observe what current-day cpu sockets look like, vs days of 486 'lif' ) [14:12]
mircea_popescu: this is true yet you'd expect intel started making the boards with the chips. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: why don't they, technological incapacity ? [14:14]
asciilifeform: why would they cannibalize their x86 idjicy ? [14:14]
mircea_popescu: i honestly don't understand why latest pc even has pcb in at all. all the shit could be on-die anyway. [14:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ~is~, in their bleeding-edge luser pc product. just not anyffing you'd buy. e.g. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: make a computer look like an aluminum can, one spikey end with the cpu and radiator, one flat end to sit it on. [14:16]
asciilifeform: pictured item is it. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a ok, that actually looks exactly like soviet take of above. [14:16]
asciilifeform: iirc crapple's latest lappy is same thing, with added periphs [14:17]
mircea_popescu: aha. [14:17]
asciilifeform: cpu, gpu, north/south, etc . on 1 die. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [14:17]
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, not ram -- they lost ram market to samsung and it aint coming back ) [14:17]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [14:19]
mircea_popescu: welcome back eh! [14:27]
asciilifeform: wb diana_coman ! [14:27]
diana_coman: thanks! it's good to be back [14:27]
* diana_coman kept up with the logs but not with [14:28]
mircea_popescu: somehow february counted as two months for the blog, nfi. [14:29]
diana_coman: !!v 7248C1AA2033BFBE213D7F51CA55F871CCDD25B5D14D2535BCB64A0A81D2874A [14:29]
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of spyked from 2 to 3 << met irl writes at [14:29]
mircea_popescu: it does seem though that the "article is ~500 words" thing that stood true for a decade or so meanwhile morphed into an "article is ~2k words" thing. i hope it stops, this process, before expanding past the point where not even i can be bothered to read one. [14:34]
diana_coman: heh, sure it stops: article is ~3.5k words + ~50 links 5 layers deep or something [14:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reading'em is pretty fast, in asciilifeform's experience, if you have the 'working set' loaded into brain [14:36]
mircea_popescu: there's no guarantee "writing an article" is a procedure that returns, in principle. maybe it ends that way. [14:37]
BingoBoingo: Some trilemas I read quickly in 2013-2019 today take substantially more time to read as I correct and rebuild the working set in the headcase. Then again 2013-2017 I was mistakenly filtering for Bitcoin. But that filtering doesn't work. [14:39]
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the problem with reading. the actual driver of length-ening is precisely this, one could produce shorter articles, but it's a time-to-read/space-to-write tradeoff. [14:40]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I carry some technical debt, but as I've been learning since last year there's a lot of pressing cultural debt. [14:41]
mircea_popescu: debt is the only post-imperialist given. [14:42]
BingoBoingo: Less pressing as the headcase contents get flushed and refreshed with the re-reading, but it's a thing on the issues chart [14:42]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Another Week, Another US Hate Hoax As LGTBBQ Activist Torches Own House Killing Pets [15:36]
feedbot: << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714. - Part II. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: nicoleci [16:46]
asciilifeform: 'As gay rights supporters try to reconcile Joly the crusader with Joly the alleged arsonist, they worry the arrest could be used to reverse all the good he has done' << lol! [17:12]
mircea_popescu: they're pretty lulzy to watch, lost in their lala-land of "good that's done" and whatnot. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: what "good" ? what "done" ? [17:25]
BingoBoingo: Well, she fussed a lot [17:38]
BingoBoingo: Old women like fussing, as carried out by this old woman [17:38]
asciilifeform: 'Meanwhile donations rolled in for Joly and Moore. The church hoped to raise $10,000 but quickly sped past that amount. By the time St. Johns and other groups were done they had collected $58,000, they said. In a Facebook post two days after the fire, Joly exhorted supporters not to respond to the blaze by threatening violence. “Yes, be angry, be very angry,” he wrote. “Use that anger to force good! Use that anger to make chang [17:43]
asciilifeform: e.”' [17:43]
mircea_popescu: sooo... in more practical terms, "old women everywhere fear that this one old woman's idle oldwomanhood's sudden collapse into active boyhood might be more than an isolated event" [17:43]
mircea_popescu: somewhat parallel to the very threatened reaction of girlies in a group of girlies, when i bid one come over. "if she goes to the slaugther when called to the slaughter, who's to say i wouldnt?!?" [17:44]
mircea_popescu: obviously no-one's to say she wouldn't, especially seeing how of fucking course she would. [17:45]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, to be clear the arsonist fusser is XX chromosoned, presumably taking male steriod hormones for years if not decades. [17:48]
asciilifeform: pretty great. gotta wonder if these folx realize on some level that they're pouring the foundations for the eventual crematoria. ( or will be 'surprised', like the prev set ) [17:52]
mircea_popescu: yet the very obvious "female accidentally displays agency, ends up in conundrum" is pretty lulzy. what is wrong, to be an activist or to set your house on fire ? [17:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform post-rationality. [17:52]
mircea_popescu: "there's nothing to realise, no means no" "to whom ?" [17:53]
asciilifeform: incidentally 'burned own house' is somewhat misleading , in we-build-from-matchsticks usa there is good chances of incinerating whole street [17:53]
mircea_popescu: "no, there's absolute truth, and absolute value of symbols. no means no ~objectively~" "since when ?" [17:53]
asciilifeform: ( there's a reason why in old japan arsonists were invariably burned at the stake, i.e. same as for high treason ) [17:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, it's self-limiting, if enough houses burn down it'll just be the new fashion. "this is how things ARE now" worked ok for new york in its slow descent to africa, what's to keep them. [17:55]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure enuff. recall e.g. chicago. [17:55]
mircea_popescu: in practice, women make do, and the femstate as organized womanhood (whether you like it or not) will... well... see, it gets something in exchange for permanent defeat. it's indefeatable in its own terms now!!! [17:56]
BingoBoingo: Not like the US is going to rediscover "cob" construction. [17:56]
mircea_popescu: why would it! it priviledges the wrong criteria over considerations "much more important to us". [17:56]
BingoBoingo: The failure to transition from temporary log cabins and clapboard to cob or ferrocement is yet another weird Anglo colonial quirk. [17:58]
BingoBoingo: Instead they just started using less wood and more petrol weird in their cabins [17:58]
mircea_popescu: femstate lulz, the termites could prolly chew the trunks making up one original log cabin and spit out paper cells for a whole neighbourhood of contemporary drones. [17:59]
mircea_popescu: those 1800s doods used whole trunks, half the time still round, to make the walls. [18:00]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: history's most 'successful', if you will, bonsai-kitten experiment. unlike e.g. ceausescu's ro folx, most of usa never even laid eyes on a ~picture~ of an actual pre-socialism house, much less set foot in one, not even speaking of riding in a pre-socialism auto or growing up in a pre-.... family etc [18:00]
mircea_popescu: there's of course ye olde brownstone tenements [18:01]
asciilifeform: picture-perfect 'just how much shit WILL they eat if never knew different' setup [18:01]
mircea_popescu: but afaik entirely north east phenomenon [18:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~entirely afaik [18:01]
asciilifeform: even those, tend to be rather spartan per europistani standards [18:01]
mircea_popescu: it's very weird because for a good half of 20th century, us housing kicked SO MUCH ASS compared to yurp... [18:02]
asciilifeform: there's an old slaveholder manor not far from asciilifeform . it is quite threadbare if you were to stand it next to the habsburg dwellings [18:02]
mircea_popescu: it didn't last tho. [18:02]
asciilifeform: ( see mircea_popescu's jefferson thread, etc ) [18:02]
asciilifeform: ( manor -- pretty interesting in own light. literally entire town, incl. the university grounds, usedta be part of it pre-dekulakization. yet most of the folx living there nao, dun even know that the manor house exists. inside, threadbare museum, open 1ce a week or sumthing, souvenir shop. ) [18:05]
* asciilifeform found, by chance, a living descendant of the manor people. old woman, 9000 cats... [18:06]
asciilifeform: quite hilarious re 'houses' -- the other day there was a little gust of wind, certainly nuffin rising to the level of 'hurricane'. and then i go for a drive, and errywhere pieces of 'house' came off [18:10]
BingoBoingo: Even Uruguayo socialist housing compared to the US... Seeing these how these 10-12 story towers go up is a trip. [18:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your orcs , not yet invented the pretense. mix cement, pour, done. [18:11]
asciilifeform: i dun even know presently what prevents it. possibly if the fast-growing pine thing usa uses, grew in south a, argentina + uy et al would already look like matchstick washington. [18:13]
asciilifeform: usa seems intent on replaying the career of the illustrative-idiot character in erry single trad folk tale. even 'the 3 pigs'. [18:15]
BingoBoingo: The locals like fire. Estufas de leña for winter and parrillas for asado. Lots are too narrow to not have disaster during the matchsticking. [18:16]
asciilifeform: << oblig naggum [18:17]
BingoBoingo: The more "affordable" option emerging are furnished, shipping containers. These however are a rural and outter barrio thing. [18:20]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in usa would be moar common if were not artificially suppressed ( it is legal to be a hobo , but not to live in shipping container or anyffin else not Officially mortgaged via the lizards ) [18:22]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, local control issue mostly. Universal building codes get adopted and at the local level derps enforce Stick Frames because the presence of deviant construction drops the relative value of the established derp's stick constructions. [18:24]
asciilifeform: not limited to 'ugly' ersatz housing, either. recall the mircea_popescu thread about some ro fella who thought he could get away with building a stone euro-style house in urban usa, where the locals could see it [18:24]
BingoBoingo: I recall mircea_popescu had a story about folks trying to build stone house in the US [18:24]
mircea_popescu: i expect actually a great future for intermodal container housing. [18:24]
BingoBoingo: AHA [18:24]
mircea_popescu: imagine, neighbourhood of the future, == port of the future. you sign the slip to where you wanna live next, they take you there. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: go to paris via marseille without leaving you livingroom. [18:25]
asciilifeform: that'd rock, actually. the 1 annoying detail is that even at current fare ( what, 2k orcbux? from ny to marseilles ) the folx who can afford fare, dun care to live in container [18:26]
BingoBoingo: Well, how many containers does the alf lab need? [18:27]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 5-6 [18:27]
asciilifeform: 3-4 , i suppose, if it's going to junkyard instead of marseilles and you can compact it a bit [18:28]
mircea_popescu: there's maybe 20mn containers in the world. [18:29]
mircea_popescu: once there's 20bn, the fare will be ~20k, except with inflation <1 bitcent. [18:29]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what difference does it make ? if you're rich, get 6x4x2 or w/e, not like you can't specify arrangement. might delay you a day. whopee. [18:30]
mircea_popescu: now THIS is the sort of [interfaced] cvasi-boat alf could readily live on -- if everyone else also did. [18:30]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a massive 'artistic' sculpture consisting of coupla dozen containers somewhere on the road to washington from here. they're plentiful, and folx in 'flyover' usa do sometimes live in'em ( see endless 'how i poured cement' -derpery on 'youtube' etc. ) [18:30]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:42 mircea_popescu: witness how instagram is chock full of a bunch of pretentious pictures of foods/travels/whatever that the putative "authors" ~aspire~ to. [18:30]
mircea_popescu: aha. [18:31]
asciilifeform: on the coasts, diff story. you can get away with dealing dope by megatonne, in bmore, but just try live in container. [18:31]
asciilifeform: withholding mortgageolade from the j00z -- the ur-crime in reich. [18:32]
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is your usual "opionions of things i imagine" postmodernist show. [18:33]
mircea_popescu: i know numerous chicks squatting. it's a thing. [18:33]
mircea_popescu: more a thing in german-yurp than us, but a major thing nevertheless, on both coasts and in plenty of midwest pockets. [18:33]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what difference does it make ? if you're rich, get 6x4x2 or w/e, not like you can't specify arrangement. might delay you a day. whopee. << Well trying to figure out if the Port or Puertito is a more appropriate place arrive. [18:33]
asciilifeform: well in that vein, i even know (by name) actual hobos [18:33]
asciilifeform: hobo -- legal. [18:33]
mircea_popescu: squatting is precisely "living without jew" [18:33]
asciilifeform: i was speaking of 'living, not ~existing~'(tm) [18:34]
mircea_popescu: it's not even legal to take down ~illegal electricity connections~ they made, half the time. [18:34]
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what you mean. [18:34]
BingoBoingo: ^ Here too, they get regularized and even then usually only when pasta base is involved [18:35]
mircea_popescu: if you define "living is exsting + jew" then yeah, i expect you won't find "living without jew". [18:35]
asciilifeform: incl., but not limited to, triple-digit locking door square metrage, fiber, and fridge with roquefort. [18:35]
mircea_popescu: actually, this happens regularly. witness the "art studio" / squat that burned a few years ago. [18:35]
mircea_popescu: more valuables there than in a whole suburbia's worth of soccer moms. [18:35]
asciilifeform: and moar lice than auschwitz barrack, betcha [18:36]
mircea_popescu: nah. artsy chicks are anxiously clean, these days. [18:36]
asciilifeform: iirc that one was fulla xy [18:36]
mircea_popescu: there's also the filthy sort, but that's more of a punk/pill scene. [18:36]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the infestations are a by-scene thing. the art scene's not particularly lice-y. some music scenes are the sex scene may be, depending on the house mother. on it goes. [18:37]
mircea_popescu: it's a very unevenly distributed thing. [18:37]
asciilifeform: iirc gabriel_laddel was living in sumthing like this shortly before he finally sank [18:37]
asciilifeform: didn't sound esp. thrilled [18:37]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea nor is this anything like an example. [18:37]
asciilifeform: ( and this was not a d00d with outlandish standards ) [18:37]
BingoBoingo: Some bums even get upwardly mobile here [18:38]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-19 04:42 BingoBoingo: Also tonight I saw the good bum mentioned [18:38]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-19 04:42 BingoBoingo: It has been a while. Turns out he got a job of sorts at a Confiteria. Sleeps in an actual bed most nights now. [18:38]
mircea_popescu: but in more reality-anchored basis for discussion, i'd guess about one third of esl females in age range of interest live in communal arrangements. some are publicly run, aka "university dorms" some are privately run, of which as much as one third also illegally run. [18:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these -- yes the 'fyootoor', in last decade they tore down good % of the town around here and built honest sovok-style communal-by-design flats [18:39]
mircea_popescu: the girls that don't, remarkably, are even odds lost in smalltown idaho or other such nowherezeone horrors. [18:39]
asciilifeform: somehow 'not Officially happening', but there they are [18:39]
asciilifeform: and mostly fulla yes, mircea_popescu's chix [18:39]
mircea_popescu: trend's been ongoing since at least the 70s, once the yellow flower of alabamy decided her only future's to go to new york to be a writer. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: so many writers... wut do. stack 'em. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: one can't really understand "gender identity" or whatever, faggot-bla-bla without actually comprehending the demographics. [18:40]
asciilifeform: the interesting, imho, detail, is that i went and found what they pay. if you add up the rent of the 4 коммуналка derps occupying any of these, you get ~2x what asciilifeform pays for same sq. m. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: they're incomprehensible and uninteresting to "patriarchy" aka the lordship principally because they're epiphenomena of poverty in a manner unexperienced. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: much like medieval lords did not understand the amulet fervor of the peons. [18:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course. you're priviledged. [18:41]
asciilifeform: lol privileged. i grew up in an actual коммуналка. [18:41]
asciilifeform: baked out of 19th c. actual-people flat, as they came [18:41]
mircea_popescu: so ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu: i don't mean you inherited it. [18:42]
mircea_popescu: i mean you're not them, substantially. if i shoot some schmuck they ask me "what i was thinking", if some schmuck shoots another they just dump him in the hole. [18:42]
asciilifeform: aa [18:42]
mircea_popescu: we're substantially different things, i'm something, the poveraccio's not a thing. [18:42]
asciilifeform: the lulztwist is that here you cannot get the tall ceiling of that коммуналка even with 5 mircea_popescu-s worth of moola [18:44]
asciilifeform: ( or perhaps could, but would have to station an army around it, and it begins to look economical in comparison to put it on ocean floor ) [18:45]
asciilifeform: dome, reactor, & all. [18:45]
asciilifeform: in vehehery other noose, asciilifeform accidentally, in the course of unrelated worx, dug up the long-sought pill for the item. [18:49]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 20:16 asciilifeform: btw if anyone can come up with a WORKING 'crab' (realtek) nic driver in pure long mode asm, we can have, e.g., scheme on iron, and usefully so, in a couplea weeks. [18:49]
asciilifeform: ( nao if could grow 3 or 4 additional hands !!11 ) [18:50]
asciilifeform: in other olds, [18:59]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 23:08 danielpbarron is interested in [18:59]
asciilifeform: hrm, whatever happened to that fella [18:59]
asciilifeform: !#seen danielpbarron [19:00]
a111: 2019-01-03 <danielpbarron> i did not tell him to join, and i have given up on reaching that crowd [19:00]
asciilifeform: oh hm, alive, sorta [19:00]
mircea_popescu: haha, so then, scheme in iron, in 2 weeks ? [19:00]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if asciilifeform weren't sitting under a pile of unfinisheds -- then conceivably yes [19:00]
asciilifeform: why, do you want one ? [19:00]
mircea_popescu: not particularly, but good to know. [19:01]
asciilifeform: it's one possible path to that fabled bootstrappable box. [19:01]
asciilifeform: ( and possibly even the lightest, in re count of moving parts.. ) [19:02]
* danielpbarron is here [19:14]
asciilifeform: ohai danielpbarron [19:14]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: are you still doing the 'warehouse of iron' thing these days ? [19:15]
danielpbarron: i'm holding on to a bunch of computer parts but i'm not sure how useful any of them are [19:15]
asciilifeform: i dun know anyone who has buncha parts ~and~ Knows For Certain How Useful [19:16]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: still making a killing selling fg ? [19:23]
danielpbarron: no, hasn't been a sale in a year about [19:24]
danielpbarron: still got plenty, still listed on ebay [19:24]
asciilifeform: pretty modest ( tho asciilifeform was still surprised how large ! ) uptake for FG. asciilifeform doesn't even have a rigid handle on why, specifically. [19:27]
asciilifeform: possibly only that many folx alive who give a serious shit re crypto. possibly i made it the wrong shade of red, fuck if i know. [19:28]
BingoBoingo: Seems like a poverty of folks who know how to give a serious shit about crypto [19:30]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you ( & customers... ) may find it interesting, that even tho fg was not specifically built for radiation-hardness, the star of the vivisections still runs to spec [19:31]
asciilifeform: helps that there aint much in the way of vlsi, or any electrolytic caps, possibly. [19:32]
asciilifeform: ( caps -- strictly ceramic , with tantalum for the larger filter ) [19:33]
asciilifeform: if it were possible to source an antifuse fpga for the , thing would be trooly indestructible short of incinerator or train running over it [19:34]
asciilifeform: as it is, if yer launching yours into orbit, i recc pb foil over the cpld. [19:35]
asciilifeform: ( tho i do not currently know what dose will actually do it in ) [19:35]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta build teh mommentum. [19:49]
mircea_popescu: things reinforce themselves, you have fg AND pizarro AND AND AND. [19:49]
mircea_popescu: the star of the vivisections still runs to spec << market communication still pretty fucking terrible. [19:50]
mircea_popescu: consider what hanbot had to go through to stand up a working environment now consider potential customer has to ~same. [19:50]
mircea_popescu: that's the limit -- the sum total of folks alive capable of going through one of these bootstrappings is ~5. [19:50]
mircea_popescu: how's tricks these days, danielpbarron [19:54]
danielpbarron: good [19:54]
mircea_popescu: oklahoma treatin you well ? [19:57]
danielpbarron: yep [20:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fg dun exactly require cuntoo tho. runs a++ with, e.g., my msdos box. ( via 'max232' ttl to rs232 transformer ) [20:04]
mircea_popescu: certainly. nor do electrolytic caps specifically require the pc. [20:04]
mircea_popescu: yet, without the pc there's ~no market. [20:04]
asciilifeform: pretty sure that most elcaps ever baked, went into tv. but can see the pt. [20:05]
mircea_popescu: whatever, tv, space rockets. it wasn't amateur electronicists in garage, that's for sure. [20:07]
mircea_popescu: globalisation is another way to say "systematization". whether it's systematized delusion or systematized nevertheless the middle is thoroughly pruned in all contemporaneous groups. [20:08]
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land then, put in rail then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it then move the derivation [20:08]
mircea_popescu: that old discussion is not an idle consideration. this is the fundamental structure of everything, from baltimore gangland, where the police shoots the 20-gun tribes to make room for a dozen 2-gun tribes, to whatever you pick, "Merchandise scores in the theme park stores" and Disney is the king of the hill. [20:10]
mircea_popescu: consider this item i recently fell upon by accident : "And so the scam rolled on through April and into May. I gathered around fifty active investors, and scammed about a billion non-Morty investments. I was repeatedly pulled into convos, usually lasting only a short time as they asked a few questions. Within the first few lines of communication [20:11]
mircea_popescu: , I always knew whether or not they would invest. Those who would not become investors always made specific requests for information, requiring several referrals of non-alts who had been playing the game for a few years. Obviously I could not provide this without giving the names of other investors. Since my business' website guaranteed anonymity, this was not practical. But those who did not make specific requests, and inste [20:11]
mircea_popescu: ad asked open-ended questions like "how can I trust you?" and "how do I know this is for real?"--these were future investors. They were asking me to persuade them. They wanted to believe." [20:11]
asciilifeform: 'pruning of middle' happens, in re konsoomer tech, but consider also that moar goes into garage, or even iraqi roadside mind, [20:11]
asciilifeform: *mine [20:12]
asciilifeform: than into rocket [20:12]
mircea_popescu: there's ~nothing in between~. there's no pyramid, one inch wide the first inch, three inches wide the third inch, and a hundred inches wide the hundredht inch [20:12]
mircea_popescu: you have the top inch and the bottom foot, and in between miles upon miles of NOTHING [20:12]
asciilifeform: there's still a substantial 'hand-sewn' sector, where counts. [20:12]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this sector is not substantial, is the point im making. [20:12]
mircea_popescu: out of the people going to see some blockbuster, 33% are there because they're mouthdrooling retards, 66% are there because they're with their friends, and <1% are there to see the movie. [20:13]
asciilifeform: this yes [20:14]
asciilifeform: and 99+% of pc bought to run spreadshit & 'hearts', no less [20:14]
mircea_popescu: well this yes, but nothing is different from this. the chronic masturbators making up white esltardland don't suddenly become serious about some selection of topics, or even one topic. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: they eat like they watch movies like they work like they etc. [20:14]
asciilifeform: entirely troo. and in light of this, just about miraculous that any of the konsoomer shit can even be repurposed for actual work, at this pt [20:16]
mircea_popescu: there's exactly two arguments who can work on typical moron. the first is, "everyone is doing this" the second is "you must this in order to that". [20:19]
mircea_popescu: the second only works worth half a shit when it's "in order to stay out of jail". and even then very dubious. [20:19]
mircea_popescu: so what you want to do, is exactly the "everyone is doing this", hence systematization. [20:19]
mircea_popescu: until then, it's gonna be piddly. [20:20]
mircea_popescu: once there, well... [20:20]
mircea_popescu: in other inconsequential lulz, [20:21]
mircea_popescu: "While much of the data affected is public profile information, it includes usernames, emails, hashed passwords and the salt (allowing the hashed passwords to be reversed). We care deeply about our users’ security and are taking numerous steps to prevent this from happening again and to protect against the misuse of information." [20:22]
mircea_popescu: they care deeply, indeed. they all do. [20:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that makes sense. [22:56]
asciilifeform: !#s from:opcode [23:07]
a111: 0 results for "from:opcode", [23:07]
asciilifeform: !!key opcode [23:07]
deedbot: Not registered. [23:07]
hanbot: BingoBoingo I attempted a reboot of s.nsa spare box, looks like it's not coming back up. please investigate at your leisure. [23:48]
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