Forum logs for 23 May 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: wear a helmet [00:05]
asciilifeform: << mod6 , i have adatronic block/tx parser, reencoder, done, mmaptron also! but put on hold to finish 'p' (aka 'tmsr rsa') [00:05]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 03:39 mod6: << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: [00:05]
mod6: ahh, ok. thats great news asciilifeform. just stick to what you're doing, all in good time. [00:08]
asciilifeform: << fwiw and ftr i've spent ~0 brain cycles considering what to do if i break it, it is not imho likely. but learned a few things in the process. [00:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 03:32 mircea_popescu: the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic. [00:09]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1406...3867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( DE) [00:11]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1445...4773 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( DE) [00:11]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: motorless is preferable. makes for stronger legs and leaves more skin attached to body. [00:50]
BingoBoingo: <mod6> wear a helmet << plan for at least first 10 kilomiles [00:53]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But motorless doesn't sound like enraged lawnmower [00:54]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's why you put in headphones for maximum soundtrack. you can then listen to anything in the world other than the pissed cars and pedestrians flipping you off after you cut them off [01:04]
BingoBoingo: That doesn't sound much like oppressing others [01:05]
pete_dushenski: motorless also has the advantage of being immune to road laws. it's like having diplomatic immunity [01:05]
pete_dushenski: not quite levels but you can at least run reds. [01:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 15:40 mircea_popescu: let me point out that a) i visited, when i felt like b) they gave me a 10 year visa back in 2000. i was one of the i dunno, maybe dozen romanians with one, at the time ? c) they fucking held the embassy open while my driver was going 100 on the wrong way in bucharest because i met some friends and got to drinking and we lost track of time and we were late. eventually got a police escort to do it under color of law at least, [01:07]
pete_dushenski: as an aside, this mircea_popescu retelling blows my feeble canadian mind no matter how many times i read it. i'm not sure there's been a single person in the history of this great arable land that's had an impromptu motorcade like that. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: joining nato utterly ruined the place. [01:10]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: is motorhelmet not required by law in mo ? or what happens after first 10 kilomiles ? [01:11]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guess so [01:11]
pete_dushenski: in other quantifiable tragedies, these are allegedly the quants who 'run wall street'. seriously sorry lot : [01:13]
pete_dushenski: via [01:14]
* pete_dushenski is also researching helmet requirements. for track use, however. [01:16]
pete_dushenski: spring is in the air! [01:17]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: elaborate on 'few things'? [01:18]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: very bad for the micromorts [01:19]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: not required anywhere really, most helmet laws have been repealed [01:19]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seems excellent on micromorts, introduces some macromort opportunities [01:20]
ben_vulpes: i roll my eyes at you sir [01:20]
ben_vulpes: in other wats, the solar battery tender i bought from ebay showed up today, fulfilled by amazon [01:21]
ben_vulpes: phone just went off, ebay wants me to know that the tender has shipped [01:21]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: yr looking to cut through traffic on 2 wheels or what [01:27]
pete_dushenski: <--> "strongly dislike pop-anything - from fast food to television." [01:28]
pete_dushenski: all terrorists are alike i tells ya [01:29]
mircea_popescu: i thought ariana grande was a model. she sings ?! [01:29]
pete_dushenski: the odd song at least [01:29]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: tool around on back roads, fun in farm country, and intercontinental travel ability [01:30]
mircea_popescu: by your very loose... standards, latrine on cartwheels may qualify for "intercontinental travel ability" [01:31]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: from experience, back roads have an absurdly high incidence of dipshits over the line in blind corners [01:32]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Around here backroads don't have lines [01:33]
ben_vulpes: quittit [01:33]
ben_vulpes: you know what i mean [01:33]
mircea_popescu: the lines are optional neh ? [01:33]
BingoBoingo: Yes, thanks to "chipsealing" [01:33]
BingoBoingo: Anyways motorcycle seems like good way to practice steps 3 and 11 [01:34]
pete_dushenski: i thought chips went with fish, not seals [01:34]
ben_vulpes: lol noshit [01:35]
ben_vulpes: in re steps [01:35]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: read 'zen' ? [01:35]
ben_vulpes: although the only conscious contact yr gonna develop is your ass against the pavement [01:35]
ben_vulpes: motorbikes are excellent toys [01:35]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You do know they have 31337 ass armor nao? [01:36]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: trip report! [01:36]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: One can only have so much fun meditating [01:36]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why not buy a shitty amcar from the nineties and practice drifting around those curves [01:37]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, still in information gathering phase, hence consulting esteemed lords [01:37]
ben_vulpes: at least the inevitable pebkac is less likely to be lethal in that case [01:37]
ben_vulpes: and i've been having such a good time reading qntra of late [01:38]
ben_vulpes: oh subject of, BingoBoingo, "was heckled for being himself insufficiently vulgar language towards..." [01:41]
ben_vulpes: surely you do not mean to imply that someone was heckling him for being vulgar language incarnate [01:41]
ben_vulpes: and insufficiently so at that [01:42]
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes fxd [01:42]
ben_vulpes: mhm [01:42]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [02:44]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2148.24, vol: 15616.18604563 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2170.0, vol: 15388.07427 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2122.1, vol: 53340.27299974 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2192.462451, vol: 25598.38300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2140.052, vol: 9718.07000306 | Volume-weighted last average: 2148.1813463 [02:45]
shinohai: !~step.3 [07:26]
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "step.3" is not a valid command. [07:26]
shinohai: !~step3 [07:26]
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. [07:26]
shinohai: !~step4 [07:26]
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. [07:26]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo I also need lordly advice, what was the name for the whoreticulture blog you came up with? [08:15]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [08:15]
* trinque hearing meatwot L2 derps becoming aware of bitcoin. which indicator is that again? [09:03]
mircea_popescu: this is good for fiat! [09:06]
trinque: must be, lol. [09:06]
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking amusing to me, how derps always pretend like they got all the optionality and all the time in the world. hurr durr i'm some random chick, almost hot, almost smart ? clearly i don't have to jump on this guy the moment i see him. nah, let time pass, let me "figure things out", he'll still be here. then get all butthurt when "that slut" did EXACTLY what subs shopuld be doing. "omg she just jumped on him started t [09:07]
mircea_popescu: hrowing her clothes off THAT SLUT!!!" orly ? [09:07]
mircea_popescu: and it goes the same everywhere. hurr durr i'm poor but i trhink im smart. and i want bitcoin. mp made eulora ? you knopw what ? i'll fuck around with nothing in particular, see what uppity tortilla is going, there's plenty of time. mp will be around forever!!1 [09:08]
mircea_popescu: yes, he will, lol. [09:08]
mircea_popescu: oh, #trilema ? whatever, let me just finish "correcting" these wikipedia articles. #trilema can wait. [09:08]
mircea_popescu: suuure it can. and that total psychopath mp, how he beheads people for NO REASON!!!! [09:09]
mircea_popescu: they were just...! [09:09]
trinque: girl's a nanny to this derpy liberal fambly, shiftless dad says to breadwinner surgeon mother "something something web wallet oh also I have this shitty antminer". mother immediately asks "how will they tax it though". girl asks whether he actually holds the private keys, rolls eyes. [09:12]
trinque: makes me proud. [09:12]
mircea_popescu: lel [09:13]
diana_coman: lol, it's ok argentinians are/have been -happily! - waiting as well and they will keep at it indefinitely, what [09:17]
mircea_popescu: that process has turned a country which cca 1950 was in the top 5, ABOVE CANADA, into something struggling to not be overtaken by the gabon. [09:17]
mircea_popescu: and there is no rhetorical flourish in the above it is exact and correctly descriptive. [09:18]
mircea_popescu: for as long as your antecessors accumulated fat lasts, you can pretend. after which, welcome to jobbagy, and complain to my asshole about "the unfairness of it all". [09:18]
diana_coman: it's ok, I hear they got now a CS conference in Buenos Aires and they get therefore to steal participants' laptops,it's all a craze [09:18]
mircea_popescu: lel. you ever seen those fucks at a conference btw ? [09:19]
mircea_popescu: total romania 1990, they attempt to steal the mic to talk about themselves. [09:19]
trinque: I can't imagine it's unlike the pretenders at this or that javascript con [09:19]
mircea_popescu: they got this narrative, that gotta be spun, that's the public activity. [09:19]
* diana_coman has recently been under a bit of avalanche of pictures from latest ICSE in Buenos Aires and she's SO HAPPY to not be there [09:19]
mircea_popescu: exactly where ustards will end up. already are, what with [09:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-22 17:44 asciilifeform: umd puts out a 'newspaper', also. at one time it was ~readable if a snore. today -- ~100% 'ohnoez campusrape, moarfunding' [09:19]
mircea_popescu: you remember what i'm talking about, i'm sure. [09:19]
diana_coman: and all the "they stole my laptop" "they entered conference rooms and tried to steal a laptop" [09:20]
diana_coman: ah yes and fwiw it's anyway still live and well in Ro as well [09:20]
mircea_popescu: heh. [09:20]
mircea_popescu: trinque it's somewhat unlike, in that it's a very specific stupidity, alligned, coherent. SASER if you will. [09:21]
mircea_popescu: literally, there's some words in pre-glued structures that must be emitted with specified frequency or they get uncomfortable. [09:21]
mircea_popescu: like chickens going prrrrr prrrr in their coop at night. [09:21]
trinque: tribal chants eh? [09:21]
mircea_popescu: yep. [09:21]
mircea_popescu: anyway, working great for them, soberania & argentina no es un pais pobre ftw. meanwhile they ain't got two empanadas to rub together and uni profs are buying socks on credit. [09:23]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> for as long as your antecessors accumulated fat lasts, you can pretend. after which, welcome to jobbagy, and complain to my asshole about "the unfairness of it all". <- well, fat of ancestors can only be eaten/spent, but not sustained without own muscle so basically it makes sense: they are searching for their own *real* level/position as downwards as that might be not as if they are aware of it or need be, bu [09:25]
diana_coman: t that's how it goes [09:25]
mod6: mornin' [09:25]
diana_coman: morning mod6 [09:25]
mircea_popescu: quite so. [09:25]
mod6: how's it goin diana_coman? [09:25]
diana_coman: quite well,thanks fighting the swamps of planeshit as usual these days [09:26]
mircea_popescu: ALSO a fine example of the whole "happy while in denial" [09:26]
* diana_coman will be really happy when those are finally drained [09:26]
mod6: yeah. it sounds awful. [09:27]
diana_coman: in denial of what? they are happy because they are on the road to where they need to be they don't know it/acknowledge it,so what difference does that make? [09:27]
trinque: I dunno that so much agency is involved, though. These are the descendents of empty creatures that used to be animated by the flow of will from their owners. [09:27]
trinque: well in the argie case, mixed with indigenous whatever, I guess. [09:27]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman evidently. [09:28]
mircea_popescu: trinque very much indigenous. see rosas, for instance. guy is EXACTLY a "bad tyrant" by the "our democracy" bestiary was ELECTED. with genuine majority. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: by a people who had their head screwed on right. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: only known similar example being soviet union. stalin - also elected. except rosas didn't actually behead his own lieutenants or all thje rest of the nonsense associated with stalinism. which is why they never fucking mention him. [09:30]
trinque: might be racis, but the more tribal types always end up 1) out-fucking and 2) opting for dr prince james ibonga [09:30]
mircea_popescu: im not sure there is such a thing as a tribal type. basically any group of hucows has some humans and some cows mixed in. what you call "tribal types" is where cows are biologically dominant. cultivate the population for a few generations, it's just as capable to northern italy 15cento as northern italy itself. which, if you decultivate for a few generations...etc. [09:31]
mircea_popescu: the interplay between biological (ie, headcount) and political (ie, powerspeech count) domination in the hucow herd is ~the whole of history, anthropology, sociology etc. [09:32]
trinque: aha, totally agree. was groping for same with "animated by will of superiors" [09:32]
mircea_popescu: aha. [09:32]
mircea_popescu: so it's rather nonsensical to say "blacks are dumb". if you spend a century killing the humans, you'll be left with mostly cows. [09:33]
mircea_popescu: kinda what the russians were trying to do to the polish, re katyn etc. [09:33]
mircea_popescu: smarter than zee germanz. [09:33]
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a reason every army prefers the enemy kill its infantry than it's officers -- and it's also how war improves the population. [09:34]
trinque: a great aunt of mine, from oldschool italian family of some note, said to my mother "The air here is toxic to family." [09:34]
trinque: not speaking there of the anglo notion of fambly [09:34]
mircea_popescu: the only problem with such improvement is that the notion that "we shouldn't hafta die" becomes universal and then therefore... [09:34]
trinque: maybe why I give too much weight to the biological italians are racist as hell after all [09:35]
trinque: were anyway, no such thing as italians here now [09:35]
mircea_popescu: trinque aha! quite very much [09:35]
mircea_popescu: show it to your grandmother, she might appreciate. [09:35]
trinque: dead [09:35]
trinque: the lady I'm speaking of grandfather would be the related one [09:35]
mircea_popescu: well, if you see her. [09:36]
* trinque will have to check out [09:38]
asciilifeform: trinque: biologically -- at least to naked eye -- ar folx are entirely european [09:40]
trinque: I recall the smell of tragedy around the italian side of family it was the gnarled vestige of something that would claim lineage back to old mancinus [09:40]
asciilifeform: at least in the capital [09:40]
mircea_popescu: ukrs, also. [09:40]
asciilifeform: aha [09:40]
mircea_popescu: fuck, the chinese are starting to look european from behind. [09:41]
trinque: successive compromises, gotta leave italy because lets not die in the street with mussolini, gotta leave new england because hierarchy is illegal, lets just wither here on this beach. [09:41]
* mircea_popescu suspects "looking european" is simply a placeholder for "looking like your entire fambly didn't starve since the day it was invented" [09:41]
mircea_popescu: trinque should have gone to mexico. hierarchy does fine. [09:41]
trinque: aha. didn't, and *entirely their fault* [09:41]
mircea_popescu: nfi why the italians went to the us and to argentina, the socialist shitholes at the two ends of the continent. [09:42]
trinque: I cannot believe the fucking squander [09:42]
asciilifeform: btw why mircea_popescu not in mexico ? [09:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am a being of ~pure energy, my presence is chiefly nonphysical! [09:42]
mircea_popescu: i like the weather here, what. [09:42]
asciilifeform: lolk [09:43]
mircea_popescu: +ticas tetonas. wtf, mexicans. i can buy saddlebags at the store. [09:43]
trinque: asciilifeform: if considered earnestly I have to blame the clown-suit socialism and decadent descendents [09:45]
trinque: though if danielpbarron's version caught on I'd much prefer that to teh alternatives [09:46]
trinque: unbelievable rot flows out of this place "lakeway church" nearby, literally "give us your money and god will... like... manifest you some more" [09:47]
mircea_popescu: tbh, cca 1880 it'd have been rather hard to predict us will simply check out, let the dumbest of the dumb handle affairs for a century. [09:47]
trinque: path runs straight through all those idiot christian revivals [09:47]
mircea_popescu: the unholy alliance of neoprotestant old men + bored housewives. horrible. [09:47]
mircea_popescu: trinque quite so. the men permitted the women to betray the house of their master for "the house of the lord". [09:47]
mircea_popescu: beyond fucking scandalous. should have whipped them face to face. [09:48]
trinque: indeed, the way these women speak of Teh Lord is fraught with perverse sexuality. modern male cuck is her beloved son. [09:49]
mircea_popescu: quite. [09:49]
mircea_popescu: fucking mary complex. [09:49]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the retrospective correct analysis is, 1. you get a bunch of elite people get together (everyone who made the trip was elite -- else they couldn't afford the significant proceedings this includes the slaves, for the same reason -- if they weren't 10s nobody'd have taken them across and that's what in africa cca then it meant to be elite) 2. they have no way to communicate, for lack of language (because language [09:54]
mircea_popescu: is very much ). consequently a situation of "whoever forges common language first wins" and so therefore 4. idiotic derpage "bible" crap won BECAUSE it was the ~only common ground. [09:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so. [09:54]
mircea_popescu: if this does not prove bible is a poisonous, anti-human text which one follows to his perdition, nothing does. [09:55]
asciilifeform: the plantators were , by all indications, aware of this [09:56]
mircea_popescu: obviously the elite christian response would be to point out that the basis of unholy communion was in no sense the holy writ, but merely what every language recalled of it, which is to say they distilled all the holy out of the writ. [09:56]
mircea_popescu: perhaps. nevertheless... unreliable item. (which is exactly catholic doctrine : "follow bible without priest, you'll go straight to hell in handbasked". it sounds absurd but then again it's lived history.) [09:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mebbe. [09:57]
mircea_popescu: but just as whiskey was indian's bible, so was bible imigrants' whiskey. [09:57]
trinque: I take in danielpbarron's, when he speaks of it, that it is a knotted rope with which he beats himself. the other folks babbling about it, it's a damned gold star of "I am god's child" [09:57]
mircea_popescu: actual alcohol couldn't have gotten them, caucasians are used to it. [09:57]
trinque: former's sort of an odd "I will wear weighted clothing and thus be stronger"... the "forgiveness of sin" thing I suppose lets one take the weights off time to time. [09:58]
trinque: I can also see the wisdom in seeing oneself as by nature, a lying sack of shit, requiring discipline to forge a human from the clay. [09:59]
trinque: none of this is present in Christ (TM) [09:59]
mircea_popescu: people are born quite dirty, what can you do. gotta wash all the guts, mucus and shit off somehow. [10:01]
asciilifeform: related lulz, [10:01]
mircea_popescu: 18yo ? [10:02]
asciilifeform: 'Arthurs said all of them shared neo-Nazi beliefs but he later converted to Islam and killed the roommates because they disrespected his faith' [10:02]
mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha. "Arthurs said all of them shared neo-Nazi beliefs but he later converted to Islam and killed the roommates because they disrespected his faith, the report states." [10:03]
mircea_popescu: lol! [10:03]
mircea_popescu: check that out islamneonazi. alakhu snackbar! [10:03]
trinque: > his muslim countries [10:04]
trinque: bahaha [10:04]
trinque: god the kids are bored today. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: country of africa (good) country of muslim (neonazi) country of russia (spies) country of china (daddy!) country of our democracy. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: the five provinces of the world. wu shu or w/e it's called. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: for instance : the reason for eg, "trump is nazi" narrative is possibly mostly based on the observation that country of russia bothers and disturbs country of our democracy just like country of muslim bothers and disturbs the good country of africa and therefore the russians must be nazis and probably the muslims are also spies! notwithstanding that they have serious problems with comprehending basic crypto etc. trump must be [10:17]
mircea_popescu: a nazi because reasoning through simile! [10:17]
mircea_popescu: which is the true boon of democracy : if everyone must be a people because they look kinda like one, then everything must be something else because it vaguely looks like it, and welcome to the dark ages. [10:18]
asciilifeform: but where will the cynocephali live [10:21]
mircea_popescu: there is no room for cynocephaly in modern world! [10:30]
asciilifeform: << lol, moar rms ? [10:37]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 13:18 diana_coman: it's ok, I hear they got now a CS conference in Buenos Aires and they get therefore to steal participants' laptops,it's all a craze [10:37]
asciilifeform: ( famously, d00d lost his now-unobtainable 'loonson' box this way ) [10:37]
asciilifeform: *loongson [10:37]
diana_coman: ahahah, perhaps they'll have a special conf session re moar rms ppl! [10:38]
asciilifeform: << see also [10:38]
a111: Logged on 2015-03-11 18:38 ascii_field: << vintage lulz [10:38]
diana_coman: they were distributing some staff from canada's travel recommendations re "stay safe in argentina" for some reason apparently some "laptop-stealing exercises" were quite well-planned as in 2-3 people, goop on the target's backpack, "helping" etc [10:40]
mircea_popescu: in other random bounties of the sexual fronteer : [10:40]
mircea_popescu: chick has a skype, AND a tox thing (it's in the logs) AND a "ricochet" item which i never saw before but seems to make some tall claims. [10:40]
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like investigating. [10:40]
asciilifeform: 'Whether it's corporations or governments, digital surveillance today is widespread. Tox is easy-to-use software that connects you with friends and family without anyone else listening in. ' << lol!! [10:41]
asciilifeform: yet another multicolourphone!! [10:41]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, ~everyone there wears their rucksacks in front like total fucking retards (the REASON that type of bag was invented by zee germanz, and the reason it became popular esp for schoolkids, is that it leverages the weight to improve posture. IF you weart it correctly.) [10:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not tox, the other one. tox we already lulzed at. [10:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the linked piece cites 'qtox' [10:42]
asciilifeform: so, it. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: ... [10:42]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that must be the "solution" argentine style: they can't steal it now nananana [10:43]
asciilifeform: 'qTox: 93C0DEFA0C017B9DF3EEA.........' [10:43]
mircea_popescu: aaand ? [10:43]
mircea_popescu: if we scropll down a leetal ? [10:43]
asciilifeform: black text, 'toilet, prisoner,non consensual, kidnap, chained, caged, urinal, piss, spit, suck, slave, capture, bondage, extreme, abuse, sex, sexual, animal, pig, sub-human, subhuman, inferior, lick, mouth, pathetic, bitch, stupid, worthless, snuff, obedience, loyalty, dog, fun, pleasure, service, servitude, b&d, s&m, knine,submission, slave, sub.' [10:43]
asciilifeform: is all i get [10:44]
mircea_popescu: no ricochet:w3crim4z7vd4yskd on your page ? [10:44]
asciilifeform: well yes, but that's a scroll-UP [10:45]
asciilifeform: ( are the arrows reversed on mircea_popescu's planet.. ) [10:45]
mircea_popescu: check him out, i give him the string to grep, he doesn't, then wants me to control his viewport. [10:45]
asciilifeform: perplexed by 'scroll down', lol [10:46]
mircea_popescu: it's shorthand for look deeper! [10:46]
asciilifeform: but yes , 2 crackpot faux-ircs [10:46]
mircea_popescu: did you look into anything or just being perplexed. [10:46]
asciilifeform: ( to asciilifeform , 'ricochet' is still that ancient modem thing ) [10:46]
* asciilifeform looks... [10:47]
asciilifeform: 'Ricochet uses the Tor network to reach your contacts without relying on messaging servers. It creates a hidden service, which is used to rendezvous with your contacts without revealing your location or IP address.' [10:47]
asciilifeform: lol. [10:47]
mircea_popescu: seems a sort of gossipd-over-tor [10:47]
asciilifeform: onion, no less [10:47]
asciilifeform: a la sr. [10:47]
mircea_popescu: for archival [10:47]
asciilifeform: snoar [10:49]
mircea_popescu: we even had the dude's pgp. [10:49]
mircea_popescu: you're terrible. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: anyway, their contact scheme (summarized/cleanned up : cookie + pubkey + signature with same pubkey) is not terrible. uses rsa, which is a +. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: contact id based on pubkey, i have nfi why they think it dun leak metadata also no idea why they bundled tor in it. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: project seems well abandoned though. [10:54]
asciilifeform: lol, even tor used rsa [11:38]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: [12:15]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-05 18:20 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Have you considered starting a something to get some editorial experience? Perhaps you can be the publisher of "The Most Serene Republic's Journal Of Gardening And Whoreticulture"? [12:15]
shinohai: Aha! That was it [12:19]
mod6: wb [12:39]
mircea_popescu: ty :) [12:40]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...1037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( US NE) [12:51]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1702...6917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( US NE) [12:51]
asciilifeform: in other lulphones, [12:55]
asciilifeform: fauxpgp, fauxwot, fauxwallet, all in 1!! [12:56]
Framedragger: heh they describe the key negotiation etc in sorta-detail on their website, which is probably *a first* i mean, don't use this, but it's refreshing to see this (in broken english no less lol) [13:03]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the 'our code in github' link goes nowhere [13:06]
Framedragger: lol [13:06]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1567...6787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( BO L) [13:19]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...4829 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( BO L) [13:19]
asciilifeform: MEANWHILE! [14:35]
asciilifeform: compared performance of 'kindergarten' multiplier ( halfword at a time, uses machine's MUL instr. which apparently IS constant-time on x86 (but NOT on arm! would need test routine at warmup to establish if can use MUL ) ) [14:36]
asciilifeform: halfword, rather than word, at a time, because of the idiocy of compilers, which LOSE the carry flag (see last 4 or so threads re subj) [14:36]
asciilifeform: so to get X * Y -> product, carry [14:37]
asciilifeform: gotta split X and Y into half-words, and multiply a half-word at a time, into a word-sized space [14:37]
asciilifeform: and take upper half of THAT, as carry. [14:37]
asciilifeform: anyway this is substantially faster than ancient egyptian mul, [14:37]
asciilifeform: turns into 0.35 s [14:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 17:27 asciilifeform: 2048 bit : ~10s [14:38]
asciilifeform: turns into 20.5s. [14:39]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 17:37 asciilifeform: 10 minutes. [14:39]
asciilifeform: after karatsubaization, this oughta become an actually manageable figure. [14:47]
asciilifeform: (20+s ~ordinary~ exponentiation is still a ~month-long rsa keygen) [14:47]
mod6: asciilifeform: ah! [15:00]
mircea_popescu: << unsurprising, also. [15:02]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 18:37 asciilifeform: anyway this is substantially faster than ancient egyptian mul, [15:02]
asciilifeform: not surprising at all, 32x faster (for quite elementary reason) [15:24]
asciilifeform: entirely same thing, but crunches 32b (on 64b box) at a time, rather than 1 [15:25]
ben_vulpes: btcalpha down [15:38]
ben_vulpes: rip mike_c [15:38]
mircea_popescu: sux. [15:40]
* asciilifeform takes off hat. [15:41]
* mod6 bows head [15:42]
deedbot: << Trilema - S-a furat mireasa [15:42]
* shinohai makes trumpet noises with cheeks ... [15:42]
shinohai: I actually like trinque 's wot viewer better tho [15:44]
asciilifeform: aaaha, esp. the not-being-frozen-in-time aspect [15:44]
shinohai: ^ [15:44]
Framedragger: that's so crazy, literally ~5h ago i visited through some link on trilema or somewhere [16:05]
Framedragger: rip :( [16:05]
ben_vulpes: someone broke the toilet i fixed [18:25]
ben_vulpes: this means WAR [18:26]
ben_vulpes: the pass-ag war of the toilets [18:26]
asciilifeform: where was this, ben_vulpes [18:28]
ben_vulpes: miserable pile of bricks in which i rent cubic feet for parking of butt while toiling in the mines [18:29]
Framedragger: sounds like bukowski "post office", just 100x less alcohol and more brain [18:32]
ben_vulpes: don't forget the pr0n [18:33]
trinque: y'all shooting porn in there now? artsy [18:34]
ben_vulpes: vault is brickly aesthetic and tittilating [18:35]
Framedragger: (here's a random good song with related title: [18:35]
ben_vulpes: this is very...thumpy [18:36]
trinque: m'yeah, I always thought "computer music" was an invitation for *more* creative beat [18:37]
ben_vulpes: and boopy [18:37]
* ben_vulpes frowns [18:37]
trinque: << ejemplo [18:37]
ben_vulpes: nah, i'm in a death metal and pilsner sort of mood [18:37]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [18:43]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [18:43]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why are you so preoccupied with toilets, anyway [19:01]
ben_vulpes: it is a very /annoying/ and /present/ tell of how far this civilization has fallen. [19:03]
ben_vulpes: failure to maintain capital equipment, failure to give a shit about basic amenities you know working... [19:03]
mircea_popescu: in fairness i never met a 20something usian who could fix a toilet. [19:04]
ben_vulpes: yeah which is its own indictment of the place [19:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who could ? or who ~would~ ? [19:07]
mircea_popescu: wait until i point out i've never met anyone under 30 who both spoke english and could properly butcher a goat. [19:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could. i have this magic want which takes the "would" away. [19:07]
ben_vulpes: it's not just that nobody bothers to fix the toilets, it's that they literally /cannot/, would rather prattle on at city council about implementing new taxes to pay for urban community gardens to feed the poor kale or what the fuck ever eudaly wants to wank off to this week [19:07]
shinohai: Simple, we use our feces to fertilize garden and therefore need no toilets! [19:08]
mircea_popescu: glwt. [19:08]
mircea_popescu: i hear it made india fabulously wealthy. [19:08]
shinohai: hue [19:09]
phf: they totally would, like, you know, if they had to! [19:30]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform can't easily picture an adult man , with two hands, who could not fix toilet [19:31]
asciilifeform: on other hand, i've never owned an entire goat, so cannot claim to be first class goat cook. [19:32]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever seen that great bunuel film, "the exterminating angel" ? [19:33]
asciilifeform: nein [19:33]
mircea_popescu: prior to modernity, one could also not easily picture adult man, with two legs, who could not leave the fucking room. [19:34]
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the problem'd be that their mental object for a toilet does NOT EVEN FUCKING HAVE THE OPENABLE PROPERTY. [19:34]
mircea_popescu: what fucking fix. they can't open it anymore than they can fuck the woman on the deserted island. "nobody to introduce us!!1" [19:34]
mircea_popescu: what, you thought was a joke ? it was no fucking joke. the price of ipads is imbecility. [19:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-20 19:16 mircea_popescu: Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct". [19:35]
asciilifeform: by same logic price of toilet may very well be imbecility [19:36]
asciilifeform: ('the answer lies in the sewers' !! ) [19:36]
mircea_popescu: rather. [19:36]
mircea_popescu: or w/e, let's phrase it in ourdemocracy terms, "you don't need computers if you did nothing wrong" or however it went. [19:36]
mircea_popescu: if the toilet worked it wouldn't need fixing! [19:37]
asciilifeform: hey, dunlookatme, i reccfltube my eizos... [19:38]
asciilifeform: everything-has-openable-property [19:38]
* asciilifeform read the selfappendectomy d00d's adventures with envious eye [19:39]
mircea_popescu: it's not so surprising that people who can't fix toilet buy intel chips. "Everyone else does!!1" [19:40]
ben_vulpes: holy shit [19:50]
ben_vulpes: chain was wrapped around arm [19:50]
mod6: what's a ballcock anyway?!! [19:50]
ben_vulpes: toilet bore a handy, nearly legible scribble, "do not use, broken. signed - janitor" [19:50]
ben_vulpes: astonishing degree of learned helplessness. [19:52]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if this is a latrine you go to every day, put a chainless ballcock in it and be done with it [21:04]
asciilifeform: takes all of 20bux and 20min [21:04]
mod6: just pull up and drop anchor on their front lawn. [21:09]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, [21:20]
mircea_popescu: preorder, seriously ? [21:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like yet another mud [21:22]
mircea_popescu: looks more like yet another attempt at the "team" scam. see the pix. [21:22]
asciilifeform: lolyes [21:23]
hanbot: << searching (to no avail!) for a non-es keyboard the other day, i ran into, and did a double-take of, a radio shack here in cr. i had no idea they'd even squeaked by. no liquidation here (yet?). [22:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 20:48 asciilifeform: not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y [22:56]
mircea_popescu: prolly just a license deal. [22:56]
mircea_popescu: most us corps sell their name to local operators in the third world where the peons still believe us > crap. [22:57]
asciilifeform: they have a handful of 'franchise' shops in usa also [23:03]
asciilifeform: these are still alive, but 1) get 0 new inventory, at least not from the old mothership 2) will be asked to change their name, if/when somebody buys the old one [23:04]
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is still lulzy given as i was quite certain that all foreign rat shacks used the brand 'tandy' and vanished in late '80s [23:04]
hanbot: there are six of 'em here, apparently [23:05]
asciilifeform: what's inside ? [23:05]
asciilifeform: can haz photo of 1 ? [23:05]
hanbot: sure, i'll snap one next i'm by there [23:06]
asciilifeform: ty hanbot [23:06]
asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, asciilifeform found that 1) most recent manufacture dates of batteries sold for classic thinkpads are all ~2013 2) mircea_popescu was unfortunately wrong, chinese LiIon cells have ~not~ improved, they have cheapened further still, expected useful life of a battery is ~year (less, with heavy use) [23:09]
asciilifeform: 3) cheap (couplea hundy usd) tab-welders are shite [23:10]
asciilifeform: 4) useful shelf life of a li-ion cell is <4y [23:10]
ben_vulpes: workstation uber alles [23:11]
asciilifeform: news at 11 [23:11]
asciilifeform: 'the territory is better than the map, but it won't fit in your glove compartment' [23:11]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: problem child is the arm/chain assembly [23:12]
mircea_popescu: eh, get better suppliers. the chinese only sell the good shit to people who can curse in 4 syllables. [23:12]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you can get ballcocks with 0 chain and 0 arm [23:12]
ben_vulpes: not the float [23:12]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this thing attaches to the flush actuator? [23:13]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i install these everywhere i move into [23:13]
asciilifeform: aha [23:13]
ben_vulpes: wonder of wonders [23:13]
asciilifeform: it comes with a bowden cable as actuator [23:13]
asciilifeform: and new flush knob to go with it, resembles bicycle brake [23:13]
asciilifeform: 0 things to tangle inside tank. [23:14]
asciilifeform: the neatest imho aspect is that it works IN REVERSE also [23:14]
asciilifeform: can abort a flush. [23:14]
mircea_popescu: lol abortive flushing [23:14]
asciilifeform: (go and PUSH a chain, lol) [23:14]
ben_vulpes: this is the "400 cr"? [23:14]
asciilifeform: i have nfi who makes these where ben_vulpes lives [23:14]
asciilifeform: i have a generic chinese one [23:14]
ben_vulpes: i'm just paging through bezosmart [23:15]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope, that looks like a chain valve [23:16]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: Danco HYR271T looks sorta like what i've here [23:17]
asciilifeform: ( though mine has not so many parts ) [23:17]
asciilifeform: ok, found mine, it's the FLT231T [23:18]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^ [23:18]
asciilifeform: be sure to lather the rubber throat with heavy plumber's grease when you put the thing in, or it'll eventually leak. [23:19]
asciilifeform: ( it has this flexible throat thing so as to fit every possible tank arse ) [23:20]
ben_vulpes: whoa christ [23:20]
ben_vulpes: i feel like mircea_popescu with the washing machine [23:20]
mircea_popescu: lol [23:21]
ben_vulpes: "finally! a sane design!" [23:21]
asciilifeform: oh and : bring a hacksaw, often ancient flush lever has the nut rusted solid, you will not be able to turn it out, gotta slice through the 'antikythera' [23:21]
ben_vulpes: ah yes [23:21]
ben_vulpes: although i have like three cans of the mighty blaster to get through [23:21]
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform [23:22]
asciilifeform: be aware, you ~will~ have to calibrate the float. [23:22]
asciilifeform: or you will get the dreaded double-gurgle [23:22]
asciilifeform: 'tis indeed the 'gentoo of toilet valve'. [23:22]
ben_vulpes: "but once it boots...!" [23:22]
asciilifeform: aaaha. [23:22]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what, incidentally, is 'the mighty blaster' ? [23:23]
ben_vulpes: the mighty penetrating blaster [23:25]
ben_vulpes: from blaster corp [23:25]
ben_vulpes: wd9000 [23:25]
ben_vulpes: "P'Blaster" [23:25]
ben_vulpes: as in "child, the might blaster is for lubricating and unfreezing bolts, not eating" [23:26]
asciilifeform: dunno, my tank's lever nut was a veritable antikythera, wholly solid ball of rust. [23:26]
ben_vulpes: never hurts to apply blaster before hacksaw [23:26]
asciilifeform: incidentally, wtf is the reason why a ~public~ shitter even has a tank & ballcock [23:27]
asciilifeform: oughta have city pressure flush [23:27]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ought complain to obummer. [23:27]
ben_vulpes: tis not public [23:28]
asciilifeform: hm i assumed it was, given the stories [23:28]
ben_vulpes: quite nearly, but no [23:28]
ben_vulpes: the orifice is on a floor that once housed train station and train company employees [23:29]
ben_vulpes: and insofar as the restrooms have keys, they are not public [23:30]
* asciilifeform finds the history of the shitter a fascinating thing, in that it followed in same pattern as, e.g., small arms -- i.e. went through a peak of RIDICULOUS complexity before finally simplified into modern form. [23:31]
ben_vulpes: in other hilarities that doesn't do an entirely perfect job of archiving: [23:31]
ben_vulpes: (Alternatives To [sic]) White-Owned Appropriative Restaurants in Portland [23:31]
asciilifeform: consider the -- quite malodorous -- 'pan closet', for instance. >> << mechanical, moving parts, touched -- and slowly accumulated -- shit [23:31]
ben_vulpes: i admired the nips' commitment to the handsfree experience when i visited [23:32]
asciilifeform: or in the other column, the maxim gun, dozens of small parts, like sewing machine [23:32]
asciilifeform: or in the third column, the comp, still in its maxim/luger/pancloset phase. [23:32]
asciilifeform: << this is a 'bramah' shitter. [23:33]
asciilifeform: ( 1700s ! but doesn't it look quite 'steampunk'... ) [23:33]
asciilifeform: the key insight, to use water as the SOLE moving part inside the shit-contacting subunit of the device, took ~200y from the first 'water closets' of modern europe... [23:34]
asciilifeform: see also 'plumbing practice', j. w. clarke, 1888 [23:36]
asciilifeform: << believe or not [23:36]
asciilifeform: ^ mega-b00k. [23:37]
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