Forum logs for 22 May 2017
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00E69710A08FE84C607C242B203D610282AED791F7FEBC87A0ADAE9720C3DD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1726...7357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.1.241.170 (ssh-rsa key from 72.1.241.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (4801F1AA.ptr.provps.com. US CA) | [01:18] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00E69710A08FE84C607C242B203D610282AED791F7FEBC87A0ADAE9720C3DD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1796...1267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.1.241.170 (ssh-rsa key from 72.1.241.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (4801F1AA.ptr.provps.com. US CA) | [01:18] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=437 | [02:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | ^ "What I did when I was six-years-old is now against the law for young men being scouted by collegiate football programs." | [02:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [02:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | really makes one want to burn it down, huh. | [02:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | 4real | [02:18] |
| trinque: | actual criminal act being the son speaking to whichever meddling govt slug. | [02:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, i wouldn't put it on the kid. | [02:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | kid likely didn't have to talk to slug himself, slug merely needed to hear hearsay about slug's micro-trek | [02:27] |
| trinque: | could be. | [02:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | moreover, when confronted with the bs, how the fuck do i need to reason to conclude correct solution is not "pay idiot on the phone visit at office, leave him beaten into a gel" but rather "tell kid to lie to strangers randomly and impredictably". what's he supposed to say, specifically ? | [02:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | cryingly obvious that the only correct solution is ask "social worker" dork for his name, paying him a visit, beating him until he swears he will never as long as he lives call anyone with that bullshit ever again. | [02:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | then kill him if he breaks his oath. | [02:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | Eh, perhaps start with beating random idiots into gel. Beat particular phone idiots into half gel, preferably the bottom half. | [02:31] |
| trinque: | not incompatible, these | [02:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i still dun see what the kid did wrong. | [02:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | he's 17 or w/e. the whole "answer all strangers with fuck you" thing works for old people who already have all the cunts they care to ever have. | [02:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | not for teenagers. he's supposed to talk to ~everyone. | [02:32] |
| trinque: | if I spawned something that wailed to the state regarding my household, I'd at a minimum give the kid to the state on the spot. | [02:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | dun seem too likely kid complained. | [02:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe, i guess. lafond is not very dedecated to the documentary side of things. | [02:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | Kid maybe even was bragging. Just forgot to frame walk as "football training" | [02:34] |
| trinque: | yeh, otherwise no, kid's not expected to fall out of womb a trained diplomat, soldier, spy | [02:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyway, kid ought to learn how to do a gel beating. Defend the Patriarch! | [02:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | moreover any diplomat/spy will explain to you it's stupid and wasteful to try to lie about trivial stuff like whether you walked or drove there. | [02:36] |
| * trinque | got out of more than a handful of jams with silence, or at least verbal parsimony | [02:38] |
| trinque: | kid can manage that if he's walking through the city aged | [02:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the other hand, 6 miles is what, a coupla hours ? kinda meh commute. a mile or two much better constitutional. | [02:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | ~90-120 minutes depending on terrain, sights, and (.)(.) sights | [02:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up IRC-Source_69434 | [02:56] |
| deedbot: | IRC-Source_69434 voiced for 30 minutes. | [02:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | IRC-Source_69434 Who is your daddy and what does he do? | [02:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other gels https://archive.is/i0Jj4 | [03:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | so they're changing gaming for redditarding ? | [03:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | makes sense, cheaper gfx. | [03:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta prepare for that one belt, one asshole thing. | [03:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, hard to tell. gotta figure out what kind of gel they are | [03:11] |
| shinohai: | https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013719.html "If 60% of blocks in any retargeting period signal for Double UASF, | [05:02] |
| shinohai: | any descendant block that creates or spends a segregated witness output is | [05:02] |
| shinohai: | invalid." | [05:02] |
| shinohai: | heh | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | pshaw. | [05:11] |
| shinohai: | Morning mircea_popescu ... thought everyone was asleep at this hour honestly | [05:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | just about to go yeah. | [05:15] |
| shinohai: | lol enjoy, I'm having cafecito and starting day. | [05:16] |
| * shinohai | searches for lulz | [05:16] |
| shinohai: | http://archive.is/WazBj "How to obtain items for war chests" | [08:37] |
| mod6: | buenos dias | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | hola mod6 | [10:52] |
| Framedragger: | herro. | [10:52] |
| Framedragger: | (scan report: progress is slow, but still on track to get the re-scan and comparison (cf. last year) done in june) | [10:53] |
| Framedragger: | (the SYN probes to the full ipv4 space are the easy part, and those have already been done across 3 different machines for maximum sciency science (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/2017/port22-ip/) key extraction is the thing that's left) | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | how's life in the world's darkest pithole otherwise ? | [10:55] |
| shinohai: | oh you're in the US now Framedragger ? | [10:56] |
| Framedragger: | pithole shall be deframedraggerized some time start of july! so there's that! | [10:56] |
| shinohai: | (World's darkest pit) | [10:56] |
| Framedragger: | US, UK, same shit yknow | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey. where to ? | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, uk leads the shitshow. | [10:57] |
| shinohai: | Impressive. | [10:57] |
| Framedragger: | yeah they want their own internet now and all that | [10:57] |
| Framedragger: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-19-may-2017#2284722 | [10:57] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-19 18:53 Framedragger: (meanwhile at the zoo http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html ) | [10:57] |
| shinohai: | How goes the "Register @ Post Office to watch pr0n" thing going? | [10:57] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: france for a bit, visit folks in paris and down south, then back to homeland for sun/heat exposure / to feel the summer so to speak, beverages with friends and so on, and later - who knows. $startup applied to an accelerator in puerto rico (ikr?!), may go there for a few months | [10:58] |
| Framedragger: | shinohai: persistently if effectively :D it's going ~just fine~ | [10:59] |
| * mircea_popescu | picked up aspiring slave/slut at airpot. as per instruction she wore heels an a light dress, no more. dress came off right then and there, into the garbage bin. walked to car, got in... people tried not to notice as is customary... | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | free porn for everyone! | [10:59] |
| shinohai: | :D | [11:00] |
| Framedragger: | mp the public utility provider! | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | young womenz should be naked in public. that's why they're pretty, after all. | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | plenty of time to spend money on clothes after 50. | [11:00] |
| Framedragger: | http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170520/#123 << yeah there is that! | [11:03] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:16:12] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct". | [11:03] |
| Framedragger: | http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170520/#132 << ikr | [11:03] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:29:49] <pete_dushenski> Framedragger: that paper is g-g-g-g-gold. should win pulitzer. hey if maya angelou can be nominated, these guys deserve it take home whole shebang. | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other strange requests, http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2377524/details.htm | [11:25] |
| asciilifeform: | lol is this where mircea_popescu gets the airport gurlz | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, notrly. usually by recommendation. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do have a profile though pretty sure i linked it at some point. | [11:28] |
| * asciilifeform | recalls | [11:28] |
| asciilifeform: | wasn't collarspace nearly dead after acrimonious divorce of the owner ? or was that another thing | [11:28] |
| * asciilifeform | digs in l0gz | [11:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | collarme.com was the original entitled wifey tried to run off with domain name / blackmail hubby. lengthy "awareness raising" fembs. dude ignored her thoroughly, reg'd new name, six weeks later she's entirely forgotten. | [11:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | that and the fact site is still, in 2017, eminently usable / well designed etc significantly increase his rep with me. | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm, apparently i never did link it. not in the log at any rate. here : http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/1927835/details.htm | [11:37] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in asciilifeformlandia, http://archive.is/S7UIl | [11:51] |
| shinohai: | Black guy i=on sideline for interpretations? | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, from the dept. of strauss-kahnism, http://archive.is/RU0qV | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | 'He was a millionaire, in Washington to toast President Trump’s inauguration. She was a maid, tasked with cleaning rooms that cost more in a few days than her monthly rent. ... her buttocks, according to a police report ... ' | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | still with that, huh. | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | it's the n-th, i'd bet | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | just happened to be in same fishwrap as the knifey | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in totally great ideas, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/catapult-ad1.mp4 | [11:59] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA957720DCF5C8CC42191CD73108FC89575AEB7E3601626A6926F1ABBE9EDBD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...7957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.137 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (CSR2117MT750G-VPN-MiVi-Or-Ca-c2677. US CA) | [12:23] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA957720DCF5C8CC42191CD73108FC89575AEB7E3601626A6926F1ABBE9EDBD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...0253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.137 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (CSR2117MT750G-VPN-MiVi-Or-Ca-c2677. US CA) | [12:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | buttocks! | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | !#vulpes | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | !#vulpes | [12:40] |
| a111: | a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas in totally bad ideas, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/catapult-ad1.mp4 | [13:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | aw shit wrong link. | [13:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/big-spring-clean-ad.mp4 | [13:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | The parents are totally devastated that their young son, that was at the peak of his career about to take off, and his life was taken away senselessly, said Godlock, who is serving as a family spokesman. | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe the family considers getting a spokesman who is not a total idiot. | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | the implication of "his career was at the peak and also about to take off" is very neatly that blacks are dumb and incapable of any lift. | [13:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | Anyone who feels empowered by what happen, the only thing I can say is that if you want to harm our students, you are going to have to go through us, Mitchell said at Sundays news conference. We are not going to tolerate any harm brought to our students. Not on my campus. Not on my watch. | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahem. if it didn't fly in the face of evidence... | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally, this is the town where a tattered rope from old toy balloon turned into a 'noose' and worked as pretext for butthurt 'commisions', 'diveristy ralleys', doubled funding for 'victim advocates', candlelight vigils, etc | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | awww | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | useless but bored people. | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | umd puts out a 'newspaper', also. at one time it was ~readable if a snore. today -- ~100% 'ohnoez campusrape, moarfunding' | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | obviously. | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | the switchover was surprisingly sharp, also -- around a year ago. | [13:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | they be hungry. | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | !$ssh 38.96.45.137 | [14:00] |
| scriba: | ssh banner of 38.96.45.137 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 | [14:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other lifes of the mind, https://bluedeckpress.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/relyfe-programming-innovations-in-erotic-hypnosis-for-lasting-changes-in-bdsm-relationships/ | [14:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | collarspace down? | [16:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | catapult was a+ lols | [16:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | also, good news for putincoin! http://i.imgur.com/35HkXiI.jpg | [16:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly. it's never been terribly reliable. | [16:47] |
| ben_vulpes: | ah, cloudflare finally kicked in | [16:47] |
| ben_vulpes: | you know what i need, a software as a service thinger that spins forever before delivering a 504 | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | but as far as alternative fuckgoats testing goes, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/computer-love-ad1.mp4 | [16:48] |
| shinohai: | Only after rigorous testing, such as shown above, do the finest fuckgoats units leave the lab. | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh and in other items to make haters sad : went for mountain hike yest. we got so high, we actually went past a BABY FALCON that was learning how to fly. | [16:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone ever saw baby falcon fuck around the ground like a turkey ? no ? DIDNT THINK SO! HA-HAH! | [16:59] |
| * phf | have seen, likes mountaineering | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | a, good for you then | [17:14] |
| shinohai: | No pics of cuddly baby falcon for those of us with ornithological interests? | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | it didn't stay put long enough. | [17:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | In one of last night's gel's Y ARE STEPS 2-12 WRONG!? https://archive.is/zZNYX | [18:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: also of note, the adorable little potato buds are poking up | [18:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | time to cover them with moar tasty dirt | [18:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | ben_vulpes: Wonderful. Straw also works. Those things will put on size fast | [18:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | i'm looking forward to it | [18:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | shooting for 10/15 lbs per bukkit | [18:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nice. This past week tomatoes have just been shitting out new flowers. Lot of pollenating going on | [18:08] |
| BingoBoingo: | Also my sweet corn is taller than any farmer's cash corn I have driven past so far | [18:11] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/schimb-valutar/ << Trilema - Schimb valutar | [18:26] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/05/impeachment-fantasy-of-us-socialist-party-begins-collapsing-as-infighting-resumes/ << Qntra - Impeachment Fantasy Of US Socialist Party Begins Collapsing As Infighting Resumes | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | awww. | [19:13] |
| phf: | !!up IRC-Source_82051 | [19:30] |
| deedbot: | IRC-Source_82051 voiced for 30 minutes. | [19:30] |
| phf: | speak | [19:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | is it yours ? | [19:30] |
| phf: | no | [19:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks to me like a bot. | [19:31] |
| phf: | over a web though? | [19:31] |
| phf: | though i'm not sure how that cgi-irc thing works.. | [19:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | bots can web... | [19:31] |
| phf: | !!! | [19:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | !$ssh 81.103.77.43 | [19:31] |
| shinohai: | !~display 81.103.77.43 | [19:32] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: {'city': 'Swansea', 'region_name': 'Z1', 'longitude': -3.966700000000003, 'country_code3': 'GBR', 'latitude': 51.63329999999999, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'GB', 'country_name': 'United Kingdom'} | [19:32] |
| asciilifeform: | !~google http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#trilema | [19:34] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: Connect - freenode Web IRC: <https://webchat.freenode.net/> freenode Web IRC (qwebirc): (2 more messages) | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | !~google http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#trilema&nick=IRC-Source | [19:34] |
| jhvh1: | asciilifeform: freenode Web IRC ( qwebirc ): <https://webchat.freenode.net/> | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | nodice | [19:34] |
| IRC-Source_82051: | not a bot | [19:36] |
| IRC-Source_82051: | just lurking | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | so why the retarded nick ? | [19:37] |
| IRC-Source_82051: | all the good ones were taken | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | lolk | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8. | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | fun fact : 10 decimal precise latitudes indicate ~micrometers. | [19:39] |
| IRC-Source_82051: | what do you guys think about BIP148/UASF? | [19:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | !#s "UASF" | [19:41] |
| a111: | 3 results for "\"UASF\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22UASF%22 | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: latest, it turns out, obfuscatory-rebrand of usg.fork | [19:59] |
| asciilifeform: | ( do we have 1 per week yet ? ) | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i read all about it on trilema like five years ago. | [20:04] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently https://archive.is/QjFEm is the latest snore. | [20:07] |
| shinohai: | We welcome all companies, miners, developers and users to join us and help prepare bitcoin for the future << heh | [20:09] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658001 <> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660203 | [20:12] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-18 15:16 mircea_popescu: tell you what, if i wanted to put uncacheable pngs somewhere on the web, i'd have NOT needed 1k lines of six decimal place pt specifications nor inept matrices and their useless transforms. | [20:12] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-22 23:38 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8. | [20:12] |
| asciilifeform: | gotta wonder if these come out of 'ints don't exist' js liquishitsoup | [20:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | every two bit tramp with a plan wants to prepare my pie for "the future". | [20:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am shocked by this impredictable turn of events. really, he who hasn't and wishes he had will talk of futurez ? | [20:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform quite likely. | [20:13] |
| mod6: | evenin' | [20:33] |
| shinohai: | heya mod6 | [20:33] |
| mod6: | how goes shinohai? | [20:37] |
| shinohai: | Not bad here, puttering about. How goes the lab tests? | [20:44] |
| mod6: | going well. | [20:47] |
| mod6: | re-doing the tests for FG1 and the first test of FG2. Basically these were run prior to the 'fullblock' thread. | [20:48] |
| mod6: | !#s fullblock | [20:48] |
| a111: | 9 results for "fullblock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fullblock | [20:48] |
| mod6: | should have them done within a few days. then i gotta try to do some fg-anal. | [20:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | fg-anal sure has a dong to it. | [21:00] |
| asciilifeform: | watch out , pcb dun have rounded cornerz | [21:01] |
| asciilifeform: | gotta file'em | [21:01] |
| asciilifeform: | and pins, ow | [21:01] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose one could pour the entire assembly into silicone... | [21:02] |
| mod6: | im not exactly sure what kinda anal. might just put some stats in there to pull-together some of the info from all 15 tests. | [21:02] |
| mod6: | we'll see how it goes | [21:02] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform used 'dieharder' to reject a handful of screamingly defective analogue units , but currently isn't sure that it's good for much re a ~working~ one | [21:04] |
| asciilifeform: | ( the grade outputted by the 'hungrier' tests appears to be in direct proportion to sample size, and very little else and FG, /dev/urandom, various fashionable prng, intel's mysterymeatrng, and several others, all exhibit same effect, 100% pass begins somewhere b/w 1-3GB sample size. ) | [21:06] |
| asciilifeform: | the idiotic 'looping' cannot (afaik) be switched off. (yes i could patch the src but the result will be a nonstandard tester ) | [21:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 thread. ) | [21:07] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n | [21:07] |
| mod6: | yeah | [21:28] |
| mod6: | I might just end up writing a page that links all the ent/dieharder results. | [21:29] |
| mod6: | i dunno yet but it'll be something | [21:29] |
| mod6: | re http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/v_tickets.html << 1, 2, 3 are certainly complete. | [21:30] |
| mod6: | will be removing these. | [21:30] |
| shinohai: | `t` has proved useful as well, just for personal recor-keeping | [21:33] |
| shinohai: | *record | [21:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream. | [21:33] |
| mod6: | yeah, was thinking heavily about the new version lastnight. need to get some work into that yet. | [21:33] |
| mod6: | mircea_popescu: werd | [21:34] |
| mod6: | !%r v 2 | [21:34] |
| mod6: | !%r v 3 | [21:35] |
| mod6: | !%r v 1 | [21:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | moreover, even something as simple as "discern if bitstream X is a linear function with an irrational parameter" is beyond what can be established. | [21:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction". | [21:36] |
| mod6: | %!e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)." | [21:37] |
| mod6: | gah | [21:37] |
| mod6: | !%e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)." | [21:37] |
| mod6: | !%e v 5 T "Publish V-Genesis" "Publish V-Genesis post 99994 release." | [21:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | because i've had it explaining this in private : yes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659420 goes to 1. for the same money, f(x) = 1/n^x g(x) = 1/x converge to 1/n, which is any arbitrary value (including 0 when n=x so f(x) = 1/x^x. nfi why this isn't evident, but anyway. | [21:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-19 20:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to humor you and with absolutely no dispositive intent : let f(x) = 1/x let g(x) = 1/x*2. let x ->n. 0**0 = 1 implies x -> 1 when x->n. | [21:48] |
| shinohai: | "Facebook will also allow people to livestream attempts to self-harm because it ‘doesn’t want to censor or punish people in distress’, it added." http://archive.is/AJNoW | [22:12] |
| shinohai: | Facebook respects YOUR right to An Hero | [22:12] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660248 << this ain't the problem -- already right off the bat , sane operator knows that it is physically impossible to test for ~good~ rng, only for ~bad rng~ | [22:40] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-23 01:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream. | [22:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i keep waiting for one of these actually doing it properly : rubbing self with thyme and stuffing bacon in the cuts. | [22:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm. | [22:41] |
| asciilifeform: | per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence' | [22:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform otherwise, the presence of "whitening" is conversely the statement of the impossibility of proper "ent" | [22:41] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [22:41] |
| asciilifeform: | whitening == gluing petrol tank gauge to 'full' | [22:42] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660255 << again, nobody (rather, not asciilifeform) asked for general case -- it is provably impossible (see chaitin) | [22:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-23 01:36 mircea_popescu: can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction". | [22:45] |
| asciilifeform: | but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form | [22:46] |
| asciilifeform: | and any test that cannot be formulated in this way -- is rubbish and oughta go away | [22:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem is thge swet of possibly existing failures is transfinite or some shit | [22:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | necessarily no test can be formulated. | [22:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | as per goedel. | [22:47] |
| asciilifeform: | let's take concrete example -- if i make a rubbish rng that leads 'ent' to conclude that pi == 4 | [22:47] |
| asciilifeform: | this can be restated as a better-than-chance predictor of n-th bit of stream. | [22:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this is not what you're asking, for a test that sometimes finds something, is it. | [22:49] |
| asciilifeform: | actually it was ! | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, i misunderstood. | [22:49] |
| asciilifeform: | dieharder etc oughta output f(n) = $guess | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | no see, now you made it in the general again. | [22:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you want it to miss most cases, or do you want it to not miss most cases ? | [22:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ( with $guess being some particular algebraic ) | [22:50] |
| asciilifeform: | this is not about the tests, but the output of same | [22:50] |
| asciilifeform: | let's take a painfully pedantic example: | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | again, irrational numbers are the problem. pix+e is not "algebraic" in this sense. | [22:51] |
| asciilifeform: | say an rng fails the 'birthdays' test. | [22:51] |
| asciilifeform: | because the output byte is never ever 0xaa . | [22:51] |
| asciilifeform: | so we get a sadness equation: | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose distributions is the sane way to go about this. study if taking byte as 3 gives uneven distribution as opposed to taking byte as 8, say. | [22:53] |
| asciilifeform: | f(n) = random(0..a9 + ab..ff) | [22:53] |
| asciilifeform: | (let's accept this range-with-hole notation.) | [22:53] |
| asciilifeform: | my original contention is that any test which, upon 'failure', cannot produce a sadness equation, is ill-conceived. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | in this sense ~all of the dieharder tests do produce one implicitly. | [22:54] |
| asciilifeform: | aha! | [22:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | chi squares or w/e, monte carlo etc | [22:55] |
| asciilifeform: | right. output ought be a 'hey schmuck, if you use this rng, i can predict, like-so...' | [22:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem hgere is : you are guarding the wife's door rather than her cunt. she dun need to use the door. | [22:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's so easy to make perfectly balanced faux entropy, only some very inept usg-ians would use anything else. | [22:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | very low standard/ | [22:57] |
| asciilifeform: | so next step is: once we have a sadness equation, you can take it and test its guess rate vs expected value, with new output sample. | [22:57] |
| asciilifeform: | and yes, this is still same old tests, nothing magically different about them, there will ~never~ be a mechanical test for 'good rng' | [22:58] |
| asciilifeform: | because it is not an arithmetic attribute . | [22:58] |
| asciilifeform: | but function of rng AND enemy. (see ancient thread, 2014ish iirc) | [22:59] |
| asciilifeform: | however there is a number of tests-for-broken-rng. my idea was strictly re an algo for how to measure their actual relevance . | [23:01] |
| asciilifeform: | ( what delta over random stab in the dark does the supposed predictor give the enemy . ) | [23:01] |
| asciilifeform: | tests as we have them now are useful because they can reveal 'organic' damage or misdesign, e.g. stuck bits. rather than malfeasance. | [23:03] |
| asciilifeform: | brb | [23:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo ITS constituents! | [23:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | tyvm fixed | [23:18] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'formulate as predictor' came from asciilifeform's ongoing regular stabs at breaking shitoshi's rng. | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | the sort of thing one's not well advised to stop trying even should he succeed. | [23:19] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, like all 'tests reveal presence, never absence..' | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, moreover, because stopping's suspicious. | [23:20] |
| asciilifeform: | i wonder who else ever even mentioned subj publicly. | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | people on tardstalk. | [23:21] |
| asciilifeform: | do they still even nao? | [23:26] |
| asciilifeform: | and, supposing they do not : was the stopping - suspicious..? | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic. | [23:32] |
| mod6: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6 | [23:39] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' : | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | might not want to anchor prototype / example implementations too deeply too soon but that has ntohing to do with linking. | [23:42] |
| mod6: | *nod* sounds good. | [23:44] |
| mod6: | re: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#1 << this one seems to be resolved with the use of -lows. I hesitate to remove the ticket, but a link to the patch might be worthwhile here. | [23:45] |
| mod6: | !%a trb C "Move the deps folder" "Move trb deps directory which contains frozen artifacts outside of the bitcoin project directory. This will avoid unwanted removal of artifacts upon a `make clean`." | [23:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | pete_dushenski ben_vulpes and other vehicular inclined lords, do you have any thoughts on 2-wheeled transporters? | [23:54] |
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