Forum logs for 22 Apr 2019
| spyked: | in spyked updates: feedbot-iii is scheduled to be published this week, followed by schedule for next work, followed by (by now late) pics from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-06#1907055 | [03:40] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-06 05:08 spyked is off into the mountains | [03:40] |
| spyked: | meanwhile, asciilifeform's lappie arrived last week, I'ma encuntooate it soon. I expect it'll be a bit of a challenge to compile on 1GB of RAM: cuntoo bootstrapping sadly requires building gcc-5, which iirc asks for more than that. either way, I'ma put this on the list as the next item to document. | [03:45] |
| spyked: | and in http://trilema.com/2019/the-egeszsegfejlesztesi-pont/#selection-153.0-158.0 lulz <-- /me was looking for more photos of this wonderful town, stumbled upon http://archive.is/cXfL7 notbad trolling | [03:46] |
| spyked: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-17#1908775 <-- I also signed pre-keccak chs 1-5 and will resign upon reread | [03:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-17 16:24 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ? | [03:48] |
| asciilifeform: | spyked: iirc that box eats commonplace lappy so-dimm | [10:01] |
| asciilifeform: | circa 2010 or so. visit the flea market. | [10:02] |
| * asciilifeform | sadly did not happen to have any of the requisite type, or would've put in | [10:02] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: will set up your refueling today. | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 -> now I get it why asciilifeform doesn't play computer games anymoar - can't compete with real trash pandas! | [10:21] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected. | [10:21] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | I had only one instance of a crow-eating-eyes-out-of-roadkill-hedgehog but I was sadly in a hurry and by the time I came back there was no trace of it left | [10:22] |
| asciilifeform: | i nealy asked 'why wouldja shoot a hedgehog' but then reread lol | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | I actually like hedgehogs but if it didn't have enough brain to roam the gardens only... | [10:23] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: iirc we had thrd re 'trash panda' picture aggressive 20kg rat, eats e.g. cat, tunnels through drywall, w/out breaking a sweat | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform: | with opposable thumb (!) opens rubbish bins, even turns door knobs | [10:27] |
| diana_coman: | ugh I hate rats as it is, no need for bigger ones that being said, I can already picture the euloran "stan's layr" complete with lumber-electronics a la http://ossasepia.com/2018/06/26/euloras-own-cr50/ and weird rats/trash pandas to fight for resources. | [10:27] |
| asciilifeform: | heh | [10:28] |
| * asciilifeform | brb:tea | [10:28] |
| * diana_coman | will dive back into euloran client entrails | [10:28] |
| spyked: | asciilifeform, unfortunately 2GB (max. supported by motherboard) might still not be enuff. ideally I would plug in ave1 gnat build and use it to build a minimal system, but will prolly have to bootstrap the whole thing on another machine. | [10:29] |
| * spyked | will cross that bridge when he comes to it | [10:29] |
| asciilifeform: | spyked: i admit that i still dunget why it needs the gcc5 step | [11:02] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix | [11:03] |
| asciilifeform: | incl. for a 2gb rk box | [11:03] |
| trinque: | reason is in the logs. | [12:02] |
| trinque: | your traditional recipe is not on musl | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | indeed it wasnt | [12:03] |
| trinque: | if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s from:trinque gcc5 | [12:03] |
| a111: | 2 results for "from:trinque gcc5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Atrinque%20gcc5 | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | hm | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: do you perchance have the thread handy | [12:04] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757349 | [12:04] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-12-23 04:39 trinque: I just ran over here, build craps out of gcc-4 with "cannot create executables" | [12:04] |
| asciilifeform: | ty | [12:05] |
| trinque: | no prob | [12:05] |
| trinque: | what I'd *really* like is a binary-reproducible gcc of any stripe, and to create an official image from that, have others duplicate | [12:06] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: as i understand , orig problem is that the stage3 shipped a gcc6 ? | [12:09] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and that no one had baked a musl stage3 that could be worked from that had <5 ? ) | [12:11] |
| trinque: | http://distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/amd64/musl/ << yep, they purge them pretty aggressively | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | i was able to bake a musl 'busybox' linux for pogo in '15, but admittedly this was not a gentoo | [12:13] |
| asciilifeform: | but seems like oughta be doable for a gentoo | [12:13] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i.e. w/ gcc4.9 ) | [12:13] |
| * asciilifeform | really must dust off the old notes and try this with own hands the presence of gcc5 in the build bothers asciilifeform not only from 'practical' but from thompsonistic pov | [12:15] |
| trinque: | why not gcc3 or 2 then? where'd the thompson come in? | [12:15] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: speaking moar from concrete than theoretical pov -- gcc5 has documented 'optimizations' that remove bounds checks | [12:16] |
| trinque: | anyhow, my project here was to take a snapshot of a working gentoo musl, i.e. a snapshot of the work of others. I intentally kept myself out of the chain of custody of all deps. | [12:16] |
| trinque: | *intentionally | [12:17] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: makes sense | [12:17] |
| trinque: | it does not mean that all must e.g. not substitute their own gcc. it just means that this ground, however undesirable, will not be lost like every other time I said "eh gonna go install another gentoo" | [12:17] |
| trinque: | in fact, now that caught, repair *should* commence. gcc is the best first thing to fix. | [12:18] |
| asciilifeform: | has anyone attempted to build the whole orchestra on ave1's gcc ? | [12:18] |
| trinque: | his gcc does not build upon musl, so I have not. prodded him a few times about getting his to run on a musl box. | [12:19] |
| asciilifeform: | hm. | [12:19] |
| asciilifeform: | seems like that there's the 1st item to fix. | [12:19] |
| trinque: | would be great to see ave1 take this on, and then perhaps get deterministic bins. could cut official ISOs from there | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | !#seen ave1 | [12:20] |
| a111: | 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites. | [12:20] |
| asciilifeform: | ugh, lost at sea?! | [12:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: ty, generally people are back to work now that "semana de tourismo" has come to an end | [12:27] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: refuel scheduled, nao waiting' for the traditional telephonic tea ceremony from bank etc | [12:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | [black-thumbsup-emoji] | [12:29] |
| BingoBoingo: | And the locals now want to ban the last cowboysport left in the Country over two dead horses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/jineteadas-una-tradicion-apoyada-por-el-estado-en-jaque-tras-las-muertes-de-caballos-en-el-ruedo-2019421201657 | [12:31] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, is this the usual 'ohnoez, what if a legate from clintonistan sees a dead horse!111' ? | [12:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | Las Jineteadas are like bullriding, except bulls are sacred cattle here so instead they piss off some horses and proceed from the bullriding premise | [12:32] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: The tards started their appeal to INAU, the agency for child and adolescent matters | [12:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | "Stink of the Children!" | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | wtf | [12:34] |
| PeterL: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 << are you shooting the raccoons with a SKS, or am I mistakenly mixing these log lines together? | [12:35] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected. | [12:35] |
| lobbesbot: | PeterL: Sent 1 day, 16 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <billymg> yup, if you want the patch that fixes svg image links you can grab mp-wp_update-image-references-to-svg from here http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= - although i recommend going for the latest patch on that page | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: lolno | [12:35] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: unrelated threads. | [12:36] |
| PeterL: | ah, ok | [12:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | The old women are upset so they say "bad for children" just like in old country. And new mayor of Montevideo hasn't even been on the job for a whole month. | [12:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | Air gun kills trash pandas | [12:36] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: in city , can't use anyffin that can be heard even from across street | [12:37] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: the sks comment was re mp's budapest 'changing of the guard' photo | [12:38] |
| asciilifeform: | where there was a d00d in old-style austrohungarian uniform but with old sovok rifle | [12:38] |
| PeterL: | well, SKS is a pretty riffle when it is shiny | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | dunno where you will see a shiny one, outside of museum | [12:39] |
| BingoBoingo: | I've seen the chicoms chrome them for honor guards | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | item dates to late '40s | [12:39] |
| PeterL: | I was in a gun store in 2010, they had an SKS for $120, but I didn't get it, wish I did, now they run about $450 around here | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | at 1 time, they were sold in usa for next to nuffin, aha | [12:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | And the Yugos chrome the inside of the barrels | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i thought this was standard, from end of ww2 to present day | [12:40] |
| PeterL: | I thought it was everybody but yugo's chrome the barrel? | [12:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | Maybe I got it flipped | [12:41] |
| PeterL: | yugos are the ones who added a grenade launcher to the end | [12:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | But pretty rifle for hunting deer sized animals | [12:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | AH | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc sovok was 1st to chrome inside , they carried on using corrosive hg-based primer in shell long past when others quit | [12:41] |
| PeterL: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-18#1909077 << I always picture arrays going left-to-right or top-to-bottom, like you would see if you tell a computer "for x in my_array: print x" | [12:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-04-18 22:15 mod6: I try to keep it in my mind that this is an ~array~ of words. And in my head, arrays grow left to right. Or bottom up. | [12:48] |
| PeterL: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902839 << Am I the only one who wears jeans here? I find them comfortable and they are sturdy, good for getting work done. | [12:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-03-15 13:12 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea. | [12:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | I don't much anymore. Towels coming out of the wash buckets dry faster than jeans. | [13:01] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: here's an old asciilifeform crackpottery : why exactly can't one buy clothes dryer that runs on vacuum pump, instead of heater. | [13:02] |
| asciilifeform: | easily 10x less current for same result, and no moar firehazard etc. | [13:02] |
| asciilifeform: | ( every dry anyffin under vacuum ? ) | [13:03] |
| PeterL: | can you run vacuum pump on natural gas? | [13:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | Same reason you can't get borosilicate in the US outside of flea markets, drugwar. | [13:03] |
| asciilifeform: | lol whythefuq | [13:03] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: why wouldja want to run the pump on gas?! | [13:03] |
| asciilifeform: | no electric service where you live ? | [13:03] |
| PeterL: | well, my dryer runs on gas | [13:03] |
| asciilifeform: | rright cuz otherwise it'd eat 5kw | [13:04] |
| asciilifeform: | but it only takes ~100w for perhaps ~hour to draw a coupla buckets' sized vacuum | [13:04] |
| asciilifeform: | granted you need a reasonably thick and airtight pot for this | [13:05] |
| PeterL: | I think you are underestimating the power that you would need for this | [13:06] |
| PeterL: | you don't just have to get the vacuum, you also have to vaporize the water | [13:06] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose you'd still have to supply the 23kj/kg or what was the heat of enthalpy | [13:07] |
| asciilifeform: | imho would still be useful tho, to have a suitcase-sized item that can wash and dry a single shirt.. | [13:08] |
| PeterL: | I run about 10 loads of wash a week, I don't want something that only handles one T-shirt at a time | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | err 2.3 | [13:09] |
| asciilifeform: | PeterL: thinking moar re travel applications | [13:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | I've got a clothing fork on the balcony that holds quite a bit, but denim just doesn't seem to dry completely before dew falls i the night and gets it wet again. | [13:15] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i have neighbours who use clotheslines the prob is that these ~dunwork ~atall over here 4-5 months of year | [13:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i.e. what you hang out, gets wetter, not dryer ) | [13:16] |
| BingoBoingo: | I get the sun and wind. Even somewhat sheltered from most rain. More wind can be summoned with the heat pump too. For just about everything except demin it works. | [13:19] |
| asciilifeform: | here of course also 'sun and wind'. but + also swamp. | [13:23] |
| BingoBoingo: | AHA | [13:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other olds becoming news Rodrigo of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840381 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847576 sent me a message out of the blue inquiring how the business is going. | [16:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-08-08 17:01 BingoBoingo: In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho | [16:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-09-04 16:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone. | [16:17] |
| BingoBoingo: | Follow up: Wants to know if anyone is hiring, informed him a couple datacenter places in Sao Paulo appear to be growing fast. | [16:26] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/04/in-us-capital-pro-maduro-protestors-march-against-guaido-at-embassy/ << Qntra -- In US Capital Pro-Maduro Protestors March Against Guaid At Embassy | [18:46] |
| billymg: | !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 3 | [19:34] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zuwx6/?raw=true | [19:34] |
| billymg: | !!v A0A1E9E4A6069710E3C0A84C4B1FF28C8C80D34AB32168F05E18DAF79D85CCBD | [19:35] |
| deedbot: | billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 3 | [19:35] |
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