Forum logs for 22 Apr 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
spyked: in spyked updates: feedbot-iii is scheduled to be published this week, followed by schedule for next work, followed by (by now late) pics from [03:40]
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 05:08 spyked is off into the mountains [03:40]
spyked: meanwhile, asciilifeform's lappie arrived last week, I'ma encuntooate it soon. I expect it'll be a bit of a challenge to compile on 1GB of RAM: cuntoo bootstrapping sadly requires building gcc-5, which iirc asks for more than that. either way, I'ma put this on the list as the next item to document. [03:45]
spyked: and in lulz <-- /me was looking for more photos of this wonderful town, stumbled upon notbad trolling [03:46]
spyked: <-- I also signed pre-keccak chs 1-5 and will resign upon reread [03:48]
a111: Logged on 2019-04-17 16:24 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ? [03:48]
asciilifeform: spyked: iirc that box eats commonplace lappy so-dimm [10:01]
asciilifeform: circa 2010 or so. visit the flea market. [10:02]
* asciilifeform sadly did not happen to have any of the requisite type, or would've put in [10:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: will set up your refueling today. [10:08]
diana_coman: -> now I get it why asciilifeform doesn't play computer games anymoar - can't compete with real trash pandas! [10:21]
a111: Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected. [10:21]
asciilifeform: lol [10:21]
diana_coman: I had only one instance of a crow-eating-eyes-out-of-roadkill-hedgehog but I was sadly in a hurry and by the time I came back there was no trace of it left [10:22]
asciilifeform: i nealy asked 'why wouldja shoot a hedgehog' but then reread lol [10:22]
diana_coman: I actually like hedgehogs but if it didn't have enough brain to roam the gardens only... [10:23]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc we had thrd re 'trash panda' picture aggressive 20kg rat, eats e.g. cat, tunnels through drywall, w/out breaking a sweat [10:25]
asciilifeform: with opposable thumb (!) opens rubbish bins, even turns door knobs [10:27]
diana_coman: ugh I hate rats as it is, no need for bigger ones that being said, I can already picture the euloran "stan's layr" complete with lumber-electronics a la and weird rats/trash pandas to fight for resources. [10:27]
asciilifeform: heh [10:28]
* asciilifeform brb:tea [10:28]
* diana_coman will dive back into euloran client entrails [10:28]
spyked: asciilifeform, unfortunately 2GB (max. supported by motherboard) might still not be enuff. ideally I would plug in ave1 gnat build and use it to build a minimal system, but will prolly have to bootstrap the whole thing on another machine. [10:29]
* spyked will cross that bridge when he comes to it [10:29]
asciilifeform: spyked: i admit that i still dunget why it needs the gcc5 step [11:02]
asciilifeform: i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix [11:03]
asciilifeform: incl. for a 2gb rk box [11:03]
trinque: reason is in the logs. [12:02]
trinque: your traditional recipe is not on musl [12:03]
asciilifeform: indeed it wasnt [12:03]
trinque: if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there [12:03]
asciilifeform: !#s from:trinque gcc5 [12:03]
a111: 2 results for "from:trinque gcc5", [12:03]
asciilifeform: hm [12:04]
asciilifeform: trinque: do you perchance have the thread handy [12:04]
trinque: [12:04]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 04:39 trinque: I just ran over here, build craps out of gcc-4 with "cannot create executables" [12:04]
asciilifeform: ty [12:05]
trinque: no prob [12:05]
trinque: what I'd *really* like is a binary-reproducible gcc of any stripe, and to create an official image from that, have others duplicate [12:06]
asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand , orig problem is that the stage3 shipped a gcc6 ? [12:09]
asciilifeform: ( and that no one had baked a musl stage3 that could be worked from that had <5 ? ) [12:11]
trinque: << yep, they purge them pretty aggressively [12:11]
asciilifeform: i was able to bake a musl 'busybox' linux for pogo in '15, but admittedly this was not a gentoo [12:13]
asciilifeform: but seems like oughta be doable for a gentoo [12:13]
asciilifeform: ( i.e. w/ gcc4.9 ) [12:13]
* asciilifeform really must dust off the old notes and try this with own hands the presence of gcc5 in the build bothers asciilifeform not only from 'practical' but from thompsonistic pov [12:15]
trinque: why not gcc3 or 2 then? where'd the thompson come in? [12:15]
asciilifeform: trinque: speaking moar from concrete than theoretical pov -- gcc5 has documented 'optimizations' that remove bounds checks [12:16]
trinque: anyhow, my project here was to take a snapshot of a working gentoo musl, i.e. a snapshot of the work of others. I intentally kept myself out of the chain of custody of all deps. [12:16]
trinque: *intentionally [12:17]
asciilifeform: trinque: makes sense [12:17]
trinque: it does not mean that all must e.g. not substitute their own gcc. it just means that this ground, however undesirable, will not be lost like every other time I said "eh gonna go install another gentoo" [12:17]
trinque: in fact, now that caught, repair *should* commence. gcc is the best first thing to fix. [12:18]
asciilifeform: has anyone attempted to build the whole orchestra on ave1's gcc ? [12:18]
trinque: his gcc does not build upon musl, so I have not. prodded him a few times about getting his to run on a musl box. [12:19]
asciilifeform: hm. [12:19]
asciilifeform: seems like that there's the 1st item to fix. [12:19]
trinque: would be great to see ave1 take this on, and then perhaps get deterministic bins. could cut official ISOs from there [12:20]
asciilifeform: !#seen ave1 [12:20]
a111: 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites. [12:20]
asciilifeform: ugh, lost at sea?! [12:20]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty, generally people are back to work now that "semana de tourismo" has come to an end [12:27]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: refuel scheduled, nao waiting' for the traditional telephonic tea ceremony from bank etc [12:28]
BingoBoingo: [black-thumbsup-emoji] [12:29]
BingoBoingo: And the locals now want to ban the last cowboysport left in the Country over two dead horses [12:31]
asciilifeform: lol, is this the usual 'ohnoez, what if a legate from clintonistan sees a dead horse!111' ? [12:32]
BingoBoingo: Las Jineteadas are like bullriding, except bulls are sacred cattle here so instead they piss off some horses and proceed from the bullriding premise [12:32]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The tards started their appeal to INAU, the agency for child and adolescent matters [12:33]
BingoBoingo: "Stink of the Children!" [12:33]
asciilifeform: wtf [12:34]
PeterL: << are you shooting the raccoons with a SKS, or am I mistakenly mixing these log lines together? [12:35]
a111: Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected. [12:35]
lobbesbot: PeterL: Sent 1 day, 16 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <billymg> yup, if you want the patch that fixes svg image links you can grab mp-wp_update-image-references-to-svg from here - although i recommend going for the latest patch on that page [12:35]
asciilifeform: PeterL: lolno [12:35]
asciilifeform: PeterL: unrelated threads. [12:36]
PeterL: ah, ok [12:36]
BingoBoingo: The old women are upset so they say "bad for children" just like in old country. And new mayor of Montevideo hasn't even been on the job for a whole month. [12:36]
BingoBoingo: Air gun kills trash pandas [12:36]
asciilifeform: PeterL: in city , can't use anyffin that can be heard even from across street [12:37]
asciilifeform: PeterL: the sks comment was re mp's budapest 'changing of the guard' photo [12:38]
asciilifeform: where there was a d00d in old-style austrohungarian uniform but with old sovok rifle [12:38]
PeterL: well, SKS is a pretty riffle when it is shiny [12:39]
asciilifeform: dunno where you will see a shiny one, outside of museum [12:39]
BingoBoingo: I've seen the chicoms chrome them for honor guards [12:39]
asciilifeform: item dates to late '40s [12:39]
PeterL: I was in a gun store in 2010, they had an SKS for $120, but I didn't get it, wish I did, now they run about $450 around here [12:40]
asciilifeform: at 1 time, they were sold in usa for next to nuffin, aha [12:40]
BingoBoingo: And the Yugos chrome the inside of the barrels [12:40]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i thought this was standard, from end of ww2 to present day [12:40]
PeterL: I thought it was everybody but yugo's chrome the barrel? [12:40]
BingoBoingo: Maybe I got it flipped [12:41]
PeterL: yugos are the ones who added a grenade launcher to the end [12:41]
BingoBoingo: But pretty rifle for hunting deer sized animals [12:41]
BingoBoingo: AH [12:41]
asciilifeform: iirc sovok was 1st to chrome inside , they carried on using corrosive hg-based primer in shell long past when others quit [12:41]
PeterL: << I always picture arrays going left-to-right or top-to-bottom, like you would see if you tell a computer "for x in my_array: print x" [12:48]
a111: Logged on 2019-04-18 22:15 mod6: I try to keep it in my mind that this is an ~array~ of words. And in my head, arrays grow left to right. Or bottom up. [12:48]
PeterL: << Am I the only one who wears jeans here? I find them comfortable and they are sturdy, good for getting work done. [12:51]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 13:12 diana_coman: -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea. [12:51]
BingoBoingo: I don't much anymore. Towels coming out of the wash buckets dry faster than jeans. [13:01]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here's an old asciilifeform crackpottery : why exactly can't one buy clothes dryer that runs on vacuum pump, instead of heater. [13:02]
asciilifeform: easily 10x less current for same result, and no moar firehazard etc. [13:02]
asciilifeform: ( every dry anyffin under vacuum ? ) [13:03]
PeterL: can you run vacuum pump on natural gas? [13:03]
BingoBoingo: Same reason you can't get borosilicate in the US outside of flea markets, drugwar. [13:03]
asciilifeform: lol whythefuq [13:03]
asciilifeform: PeterL: why wouldja want to run the pump on gas?! [13:03]
asciilifeform: no electric service where you live ? [13:03]
PeterL: well, my dryer runs on gas [13:03]
asciilifeform: rright cuz otherwise it'd eat 5kw [13:04]
asciilifeform: but it only takes ~100w for perhaps ~hour to draw a coupla buckets' sized vacuum [13:04]
asciilifeform: granted you need a reasonably thick and airtight pot for this [13:05]
PeterL: I think you are underestimating the power that you would need for this [13:06]
PeterL: you don't just have to get the vacuum, you also have to vaporize the water [13:06]
asciilifeform: i suppose you'd still have to supply the 23kj/kg or what was the heat of enthalpy [13:07]
asciilifeform: imho would still be useful tho, to have a suitcase-sized item that can wash and dry a single shirt.. [13:08]
PeterL: I run about 10 loads of wash a week, I don't want something that only handles one T-shirt at a time [13:09]
asciilifeform: err 2.3 [13:09]
asciilifeform: PeterL: thinking moar re travel applications [13:09]
BingoBoingo: I've got a clothing fork on the balcony that holds quite a bit, but denim just doesn't seem to dry completely before dew falls i the night and gets it wet again. [13:15]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have neighbours who use clotheslines the prob is that these ~dunwork ~atall over here 4-5 months of year [13:16]
asciilifeform: ( i.e. what you hang out, gets wetter, not dryer ) [13:16]
BingoBoingo: I get the sun and wind. Even somewhat sheltered from most rain. More wind can be summoned with the heat pump too. For just about everything except demin it works. [13:19]
asciilifeform: here of course also 'sun and wind'. but + also swamp. [13:23]
BingoBoingo: AHA [13:25]
BingoBoingo: In other olds becoming news Rodrigo of sent me a message out of the blue inquiring how the business is going. [16:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-08-08 17:01 BingoBoingo: In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho [16:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 16:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone. [16:17]
BingoBoingo: Follow up: Wants to know if anyone is hiring, informed him a couple datacenter places in Sao Paulo appear to be growing fast. [16:26]
feedbot: << Qntra -- In US Capital Pro-Maduro Protestors March Against Guaid At Embassy [18:46]
billymg: !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 3 [19:34]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [19:34]
billymg: !!v A0A1E9E4A6069710E3C0A84C4B1FF28C8C80D34AB32168F05E18DAF79D85CCBD [19:35]
deedbot: billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 3 [19:35]
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