Forum logs for 21 Nov 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
* BingoBoingo today did pick up one pair of shoes without steel toes, so can board aircraft [00:01]
lobbes: what, tsa banning shoe classifications now? [00:03]
BingoBoingo: Of all the chances to not take with an indeterminate machine, that seems like an easy one to avoid [00:04]
* BingoBoingo plans to pick up real shoes in Montevideo once real shoes are earned [00:06]
mircea_popescu: gotta earn teh realshoes. [00:06]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: could even pick up in buenos aires, at that place mircea_popescu mentioned in old thread [00:07]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta earn boat ride to Buenos Aires. [00:08]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [00:13]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7904.0, vol: 11573.74144165 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7925.0, vol: 59779.65877938 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7933.0, vol: 3832.45561154 | Volume-weighted last average: 7922.17514786 [00:14]
ben_vulpes: in other abusive workplaces: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html [00:44]
mircea_popescu: dude should be given a shotgun, free buckshot and free airplane fares. [00:48]
davout: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-19-nov-2017#2365903 <<< hory shet [01:13]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 13:55 mircea_popescu: scroll down to where it says CTO : mike_c [01:13]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/biodiversidad-y-technodiversidad-no-mom/ << Trilema - Biodiversidad y technodiversidad. No mom. [01:31]
mod6: ya, dafaq [01:34]
ben_vulpes: why is this so surprising? he hasn't been involved in republican affairs since some time after wol wound down [01:37]
ben_vulpes: the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can [01:38]
ben_vulpes: also look at these fools smokin the cockchain: http://cloudmo.de/ [01:46]
* BingoBoingo now needs to earn a winch stair [01:55]
ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency' [02:06]
ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/ [02:07]
ben_vulpes: whole thing devolves into 'i r wrote software and then the bad thing happened because of bad people!' [02:08]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: look when there's actual even halfway sortai) involved, no responsible disclosure will ever happen [02:10]
ben_vulpes: hilarious indictment of value of us citizen "information", "servers" [02:11]
ben_vulpes: bullshit made up deliberately hamstrung cryptocurrencies it turns out are way better than anything dear usg has to offer [02:12]
ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'" [02:13]
BingoBoingo: Still, if buying into the IRA/401k dream, gotta go to Roth [02:20]
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can << Hynenas of empires, slugs of ownbrain, particuly adorable yet hungry excretions from girl you've become fond of. Many hazards to republic [02:42]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741375 <-- danke! will try it out later today. [03:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true [03:48]
mircea_popescu: lol ben_vulpes . "the title of hyena of the empire and a cash prize of 500 botswanan pula is hereby bestowed upon joe schmoe." [07:00]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n". [07:46]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741575 << https://archive.is/fhtuw teh cloudflare or teh bad gateway ? [07:47]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:06 ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency' [07:47]
mircea_popescu: "Tether issuances have not been affected by this attack, and all Tether tokens remain fully backed by assets in the Tether reserve." lmao what TEH FUCK is this supposed to mean! they just announced that a) tether issuances have been affected and b) tether tokens no longer backed. [07:49]
mircea_popescu: "oh you know what ? let's now STEAL THE HAVING STOLEN, too!!11". dorks. [07:50]
mircea_popescu: "will provide further updates AS THEY become available". disavowal overdrive, what the fuck, THE UPDATES are the agent here ? they make themselves avaoilable like elliott's girlfriends ? [07:51]
mircea_popescu: "rectify the situation in the best possible manner to everyone's benefit" in the sense of an everyone*, specially defined, niggers-fatties-and-jews=everyone* ? [07:51]
mircea_popescu: this is america. 100%, 2017. [07:52]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741581 << tis a point. [07:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:13 ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'" [07:55]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741576 << this being, of course, why the "no updates" thing is such a thorn in the side of the fiatist mind. if we DID updates, (NO MATTER WHICH!!!! even if we only did the reasonable ones!) then there'd be the sort of ~continuity~ that's the paramount ingredient in socialist reconstructions of the world, whereby "progress" and "i can't understand what those women of like... more than 20 yea [07:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:07 ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/ [07:57]
mircea_popescu: rs ago EVEN LIVED, what do you mean they had it way better than me." [07:57]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741375 <--> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mg2Q1/?raw=true same item applied upon w3m-0.5.3. warning: ./configure script is very-very hack-ish (read coad before trying out!). libjs comes from 'NJS interpreter', compiles and runs. unfortunately trilema fragments still don't get highlighted in my terminal (but if it does work for anyone else, do let me know). [08:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true [08:22]
spyked: I'll get back to the "working cli/tui js browser" problem later, back to adalisp for now. [08:24]
mircea_popescu: le suck. [08:50]
shinohai: Appears on r/buttcoin this morning someone sent 500k in btcrash to a segwit addy by accident. [08:51]
mircea_popescu: is this a bad thing ? [08:52]
shinohai: No, it's fucking hilarious. [08:52]
shinohai: But I'm not sure how BCH could be sent to addy on another network in the first place. [08:53]
mircea_popescu: if they use the same address format... [09:00]
mircea_popescu: correct statement is "dood sent bch to an address he didn't control that he came up with by copy/pasting something he didn't understant" [09:00]
jurov: shinohai: yes, the addresses are the same, For Improved Headache. [09:04]
jurov: also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it [09:05]
shinohai: Top minds [09:07]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/N6Kgi << ahahahahahaha [09:32]
asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered' [09:32]
asciilifeform: 'we helped a user recover the coins by mining the tx without broadcasting it. can help others who need help' [09:33]
asciilifeform: i.e. a segshitness magicked away by chinese 'for greater good' [09:33]
mircea_popescu: aww [09:35]
asciilifeform: ( in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741604 ) [09:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 13:51 shinohai: Appears on r/buttcoin this morning someone sent 500k in btcrash to a segwit addy by accident. [09:35]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, just what we said was gonna happen ? [09:55]
mircea_popescu: basically, they had all the lohtron ready and oiled, sadly no sheep went that way, trying to get as much as possible out of its functionings anyway ? [09:56]
mircea_popescu: AWWW! [09:56]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/why-would-any-girl-want-to-be-a-slave/ << Trilema - Why would any girl want to be a slave ?! [10:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a bit of difficulty wrapping head around this scene -- picture the convo, 'hey y'know what they'll luvvv?' 'i know! for transactions to be REVERSIBLE!11 by some chinese d00d!' [10:33]
mircea_popescu: they're terrible at planning, if the constant strategic superiority saga wasn't suggesting it. [10:34]
asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ? [10:34]
mircea_popescu: unbeaten kids can't plan, is the truth of the matter. they get too wrapped up in their narcissistic desires and then before you know it newton sits down to discover the theory of how right they are. [10:35]
asciilifeform: ( last i saw, there was a hefty bit ) [10:35]
mircea_popescu: a hefty bit of bytes , but dust [10:35]
asciilifeform: and gotta luvv folx who see 'hefty bit of bytes, but dust' and then ask for proofier proof when presented with 'miners are wreckers' [10:37]
* mircea_popescu leaves http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712865 next to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741614 for... i'm not even sure, everyone capable of knowing knows and everyone who doesn't know is not gonna find out anymore than my stove is gonna learn a merry jig. [10:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:08 rothbart: I've been trying to grok the segwit "theft" incentive - as the bounty grows, so does the PoW defending it - doesn't this keep the segwit outputs safe? [10:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 14:32 asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered' [10:38]
mircea_popescu: remember back when "mp invented miner conspiracy" ? [10:38]
mircea_popescu: and can you believe the utter schmucktard still hasn't posted nude pics with appology scribbled in his own blood where his ballsac/eyes/etc used to be ? [10:38]
asciilifeform: schmucktard, last i heard, was resting on a sofa made of whores in thailand [10:39]
asciilifeform: and lacking for nothing [10:39]
mircea_popescu: if your stupid head causes you to stumble, CUT IT FUCKING OFF! http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/ style! [10:39]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have this very strange "man is entirely made of extrinsic motivation" outlook. [10:40]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does the sofa enter into any discussion of morals ? [10:40]
asciilifeform: in application to d00d who never showed any symptoms of intrinsic (i.e. theorems) -- yes [10:40]
asciilifeform: afaik kako had nothing that could be confused for morals. took the thirty pieces of silver, and living it up. [10:41]
asciilifeform: immediately when it was offered -- took. [10:41]
asciilifeform: funnily and coincidentally, it was happening at exactly the same time as, far away, asciilifeform refused to take 'top seekrit' holy orders for usg 'contractor' [10:44]
asciilifeform: but no, sofa does not enter discussion of morals other than in re 'the thirty pieces of silver, were in fact troo silver', evidently some quislings are paid handsomely, rather than left to flap on the wind esr-style [10:46]
mircea_popescu: i've no way to evaluate all this. [10:49]
asciilifeform: some people are only distinguished from 'short' pig in that they stand on two legs. and these in fact are made ~entirely of extrinsic motivation. [10:49]
asciilifeform: morals are in fact what remains when there is nothing else with which to evaluate... [10:49]
asciilifeform: i evaluated, thusly , that the man is a swine. [10:49]
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure which exact schmucktard we're talking of, there were a bunch. [10:50]
asciilifeform: i immediately pictured kakobrekla, if it wasn't obvious [10:50]
mircea_popescu: ah. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: original comment applies equally well to the whole agitcamp. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: public or private, what fucking difference does it make that you were wrong ~privately~ ? still wrong, still gotta fix etc. [10:51]
asciilifeform: the segshitter's 'wrong' is deliberately crafted disinfo, for the consumption of redditards. why would they recant. [10:52]
asciilifeform: they see it as 'noble lie' etc. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: because wrong. [10:52]
asciilifeform: 'even down's syndrome sufferers won't use a paypaltronic pseudobitcoin if offered naked, let's dress it up' [10:52]
asciilifeform: in-house they certainly http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798878 . betcha the sum of ~block rewards~ going into segshitness addrs to date is 0. [10:55]
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:38 asciilifeform: it went entirely like the tale of gorbachev and andropov [10:55]
asciilifeform: ( is it even protocolically possible.. ? ) [10:56]
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 <<< http://segwit.5gbfree.com/countsegwit [10:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ? [10:56]
asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty useless, no COIN SUMS [10:56]
shinohai: hmmm [11:03]
mircea_popescu: no NET coins. [11:07]
mircea_popescu: nobody cares of sum as in a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a [11:07]
asciilifeform: in ~that~ sense most of the conventional coin 'movement' is spamola. [11:07]
asciilifeform: afaik to this day. [11:07]
asciilifeform: not even speaking of shitnesses. [11:08]
asciilifeform: virtually entire block mass for past... 3 ? yrs , is just about a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a. [11:08]
asciilifeform: ever since the 'let's fill up the blox with liquishit and push 'scalingism'' agenda was cooked up. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: right. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/i-fucking-love-science-or-why-global-warming-wouldnt-produce-superhurricanes/#comment-123582 << in other breakfasrt physics [11:17]
ben_vulpes: !!up cruciform [11:37]
deedbot: cruciform voiced for 30 minutes. [11:37]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever see "daisies", 1966 ? [11:37]
cruciform: jurov: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171121/#124 - yes sold mine recently @ HitBTC - very easy [11:38]
scriba: Logged on 2017-11-21: [14:05:15] <jurov> also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it [11:38]
mircea_popescu: its on teh trilema. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/ [11:40]
ben_vulpes: dang [11:40]
ben_vulpes: thanks [11:40]
mircea_popescu: cruciform gotta expose bitcoin addresses neh [11:47]
cruciform: mircea_popescu: yea the exchange doesn't ID you though [11:48]
mircea_popescu: right. when was the cutoff date for this one ? [11:48]
cruciform: 23rd Oct [11:48]
mircea_popescu: lol k. [11:48]
pete_dushenski: cruciform: which btg wallet did you use ? [11:49]
cruciform: their fork of the Core node from https://bitcoingold.org/downloads/ [11:49]
pete_dushenski: aha [11:50]
cruciform: pete_dushenski: thanks for your BCH article, btw - got me off the couch [11:50]
pete_dushenski: happy to help motivate [11:50]
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Gold Core is a full Bitcoin Gold client and builds the backbone of the network. It offers high levels of security, privacy, and stability. However, it has fewer features and it takes a lot of space and memory. [11:52]
pete_dushenski: " [11:52]
pete_dushenski: however!!1 [11:52]
cruciform: there's already been a hack via the online sweeper they posted on their site [11:53]
cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it lost their BTC [11:53]
pete_dushenski: lol ya that's what i heard too [11:53]
cruciform: at the least the scams are rapidly diminishing in SFYL damage to noobs: BCH > BTG > http://supersmartbitcoin.com/ [11:55]
cruciform: "Lightening Network [11:56]
cruciform: "Lightening Network" (TM) [11:56]
mircea_popescu: enlightening network. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: !!key cruciform [12:07]
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/4E18288CAA6A98F4C51066053B6F4A8387D54AC6.asc [12:07]
mircea_popescu: !!rated cruciform [12:08]
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated cruciform. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: !!rate cruciform 1 Noob. [12:08]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQhr6/?raw=true [12:08]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741698 <<< ahahahahaha this is a new level of dumb or wat [12:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 16:53 cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it lost their BTC [12:09]
asciilifeform: 'ismyprivkeyhacked.com' [12:09]
cruciform: mircea_popescu: nothing prepared me for the brainrot of BTCtalk BTG official thread [12:10]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:10]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n". << Quiero sus escalara de winch, no. Quiero mis escalera de winch, si. [12:17]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:17]
BingoBoingo: This happens. I see idea executed dangerously and poorly. Then "What if maintained and done better?" Often for many idiot things right means unreasonable, and then there is la escalara de winch. [12:20]
mircea_popescu: winchalera [12:21]
BingoBoingo: Ah, Como se dice esto! [12:25]
ben_vulpes: semi-relatedly, i went to build an extension cord for my dryer, ~all the old women at the hardwarestoremegachain insisted that i simply could not do what i was going to do [12:52]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 30amp 220v cord dun come in 'extension' in usa, for the obvious reason that the cable dun come in real-copper and the socket dun come in non-chinese, ergo automatic fire hazard. [12:54]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts. [12:54]
asciilifeform: forget 'extension'. [12:54]
asciilifeform: this is sorta the pasteurized milk thread again, in different light. 'can't have unmolested milk, because ~must~ have caged cows, and ergo unmolested milk will killya' etc [12:56]
ben_vulpes: lol, precisely what i did [12:57]
ben_vulpes: leprosy cheese on the shit sandwich of american products is that the dryer power cable was not trivially replaceable, had to be extended. [12:58]
asciilifeform: why not replaceable ? [12:58]
asciilifeform: typically it's attached to lug bolts under the cover [12:58]
ben_vulpes: 'trivially', did not want to start gentooing dryers as well [12:59]
ben_vulpes: when heater element goes, then, fine. [12:59]
asciilifeform: 'trivially' in the sense where you dun need any higher tech than screwdriver [12:59]
ben_vulpes: oh also receptacle is very high on the wall, extending made it a guaranteed fit, replacing woulda been tight borderline not-workable. [12:59]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and move dryer, and and and all sorts of unknowns, vs just buy receptacle while also buying pigtail. [13:00]
asciilifeform: ah then you've made the chinese cord for yerself, lol [13:01]
ben_vulpes: well it's a rated pigtail, copper through and through [13:07]
asciilifeform: socket more often the problem. [13:08]
BingoBoingo: Socket or cable you spliced extension to. [13:13]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741722 << this is the only correct approach. [13:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 17:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts. [13:21]
mircea_popescu: even "high quality" commercial couplings will heat up. [13:21]
asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB [13:36]
asciilifeform: gnarly but within the bounds of the readable [13:37]
asciilifeform: ( with inlinings, ~150 ) [13:37]
mod6: inline triples it 'eh [13:37]
asciilifeform: somewhat unsurprisingly [13:37]
asciilifeform: ( for max speed you want ~0 function calls at all, if possible, for so long as the thing still fits in cache ) [13:38]
asciilifeform: i will add that the bounds checking code , which we have because idjit pc arch , dwarfs the actual algos [13:39]
mod6: you were saying as much yesterday iirc [13:46]
asciilifeform: mod6: 'validity' check is a separate item [13:46]
asciilifeform: and safe to switch off if (and only if) you can prove that there are at no point uninitialized variables read [13:46]
asciilifeform: theoretically the same applies to other bounds checks, but the proof is a much trickier matter [13:47]
asciilifeform: ( granted, it is not an ~impossible~ matter, as it would be if the proggy had been written in pointerlang. but merely ~difficult~. ) [13:52]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741053 << i'm not part of the amphetamine culture. i like to sleep [14:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:40 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ? [14:34]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 << i don't need to consider that, i grok metacircularity, i.e. there's no such thing as builtin symbols. bytecode or not is lateral to that point. [14:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via [14:35]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741280 << it doesn't, logotron necessarily has to interpret the nature of bytes (because the display layer is explicitly encoded). so the log collection and storage is 8 bit clean, but display makes assumpetions for rendering purpose. specifically i assume that log is utf8, but if utf8 decoder fails on line, i fall back to latin-1 (this is a traditional irc mechanism, details of which have been discussed) [14:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:57 asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour ) [14:35]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq. [14:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:21 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters. [14:38]
phf: strings as lists of character is a schemist wankery anyway along the "our cpu uses church numerals!1" [14:39]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740959 << i think i said that in logs before, but sexp is a poor data exchange format. read operation relies on current state of *readtable* and traditionally readtable is customized to specific operator needs. there's a default *readtable*, but it's too unconstrained to be used for deserialization of untrusted data, since it, for example, supports arbitrary code execution, circular structures, etc. [14:54]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:15 mircea_popescu: let's also see if phf wants to add nething. [14:54]
phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats [14:56]
asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem. [14:57]
asciilifeform: and wtf 'arbitrary code execution', you read it in a null environment [14:58]
asciilifeform: whole thing quoted. [14:58]
phf: asciilifeform: wut. [14:58]
phf: (read-from-string "#.(format t \"hello, world~%\")") [14:59]
phf: there's no such thing as a standard sexps. sure (foo "bar" 1.2) but #\abc or #x123 exist in the same realm as #.(...) [14:59]
trinque: *read-eval* nil << not enough? [15:01]
asciilifeform: i see 0 reason to have #. be bound when reading untrusted sexprs. [15:01]
phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable* [15:03]
asciilifeform: and noshit gotta specify own format. using readtable with #. in it is lunacy [15:07]
asciilifeform: i dun see what part of that is nonobvious [15:08]
phf: as they say in russia, флаг в руки [15:08]
asciilifeform: большому кораблю и карты в руки. [15:09]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741765 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741774 [15:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:57 asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem. [15:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 20:07 asciilifeform: and noshit gotta specify own format. using readtable with #. in it is lunacy [15:09]
asciilifeform: could even formulate the very definition of a forum, as a set of folx who agree on a minimal readtable. [15:11]
asciilifeform: ( which will not include #. because then all bets off. ) [15:11]
phf: also probably want to not have #s because that requires a state of the environment [15:12]
phf: you also want to have a custom symbol reader, because reading cl::foo is going to explode with a "locked package" error [15:12]
asciilifeform: wat's wrong with scheme-style simple state machine that knows when to cons a new cell , where symbol names begin/end, and which becomes the car/cdr . [15:14]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741764 [15:16]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:56 phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats [15:16]
asciilifeform: this is more or less a given. what was the last heathen artifact that we found usable exactly as found? i can't recall even one [15:16]
phf: tits [15:17]
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu patches those!111 [15:17]
whaack: !!v BD54238F24F1EEA35BBB222E00527E4B8D5141BD47ABF118BC5C2023D0EE2DD5 [16:20]
deedbot: whaack rated ben_vulpes 2 << friendly and helpful republican with knowledge of the sewers of the web [16:20]
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 << From my cursory understanding of the segwit system there's no way to know if coins are in a segwit address until it is spent. It is effectively of the nature where you must know x in h(x) for the coins to be spent, so a miner cannot snag the coins until the segwitter tries to spend. [16:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ? [16:22]
asciilifeform: whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer [16:25]
ben_vulpes: > two attackers accessed a private GitHub coding site used by Uber software engineers and then used login credentials they obtained there to access data stored on an Amazon Web Services account that handled computing tasks for the company...Later, they emailed Uber asking for money. [17:19]
ben_vulpes: there's yr rape, asciilifeform [17:19]
ben_vulpes: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21/uber-concealed-cyberattack-that-exposed-57-million-people-s-data [17:19]
shinohai: bwahahahaha [17:25]
asciilifeform: pretty great. [17:50]
ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years [17:50]
ben_vulpes: fucking 'founders series' vehicle by a company trading on the public markets, give me a breka [17:51]
ben_vulpes: break* [17:51]
* BingoBoingo has today acquired place to office through December $311 bezzel bucks and place to sleep $400 through December 26th. [18:05]
asciilifeform: notbad. [18:05]
BingoBoingo: Office comes with 24/7 access, lockable storage, and fiscal address acceptable for corporationing. All locations within 10 minute walk of building with rack. [18:06]
ben_vulpes: very cool BingoBoingo [18:14]
ben_vulpes: in other uproariously hilarious things: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-advertising-discrimination-housing-race-sex-national-origin [18:15]
ben_vulpes: facebook builds ad platforms that lets you target people based on skin color and income among a zillion other things, this is all great until people start advertising housing to whites [18:15]
ben_vulpes: fuckin dying over here [18:15]
BingoBoingo: lol [18:38]
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1031629 [18:44]
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 03:47 asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector [18:44]
asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-09#668189 , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-09#668203 , possibly elsewhere. ) [18:46]
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:48 asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold [18:46]
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:51 asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight [18:46]
asciilifeform: nobody would even contemplate paying the ludicrous 500k-1mil usd for a motherfucking cardboard box, other than at gunpoint. [18:47]
asciilifeform: the gunpoint conveniently provided by usg's unofficial footsoldiers. [18:48]
asciilifeform: 'Under its own policies, Facebook should have flagged these ads, and prevented the posting of some of them. Its failure to do so revives questions about whether the company is in compliance with federal fair housing rules, as well as about its ability and commitment to police discriminatory advertising on the world’s largest social network.' << ohnoez, plebes illicitly trying to practice freedom of association [18:51]
mircea_popescu: heh [18:51]
asciilifeform: i.e. the ultimate crime under the inca. [18:51]
mircea_popescu: recall when they started bussing kids to school lest you know, family ties survive or some such [18:52]
asciilifeform: aaha. [18:52]
asciilifeform: and how the brahmins transfered their spawn to private schools the day prior. [18:52]
mircea_popescu: i like how indignant screen gets. this IS window 6!!! [18:52]
asciilifeform: lol [18:55]
trinque: heh, I was sent to a black elementary school under some kind of diversity program. [19:08]
trinque: and look, I turned out fine [19:09]
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform grew up in orcistan with tetraethyl-pb petrol, also 'turned out fine', lol [19:09]
asciilifeform: dun make te-pb a great thing. [19:10]
* trinque recalibrates his sarcasm emitter [19:10]
shinohai: "This is what *not* to do!" [19:10]
ben_vulpes: leaded gas is AWESOME. [19:11]
ben_vulpes: unbelieeeevable specific heat [19:11]
trinque: I mean, they wanted me to have a cultural experience outside my own, and... did. [19:11]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~0 effect on specific heat [19:11]
asciilifeform: trinque: ahahahaha in that sense it's great. i'm pretty happy i went to one in usa [19:11]
asciilifeform: lifetime vaccine against equalism. [19:12]
trinque: aha [19:12]
ben_vulpes: aaaaah right [19:12]
trinque: I even got almost expelled for racis [19:12]
trinque: beat the fuck out of some kid that stole my recess hat, threw to friend [19:12]
trinque: I guess in the movie, kid goes and runs to friend to get the hat [19:12]
trinque: I just beat his face in [19:12]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lifetime vaccine against equalism. << AHA, I ad to get vaccinated later at college for that [19:16]
mircea_popescu: trinque the theory isn't that it actually does anything the idea is that the ~reason~ they thought they're doing it was pretty dumb. [19:22]
mircea_popescu: the most amusing example being that in 1817, back when "miscegenation" was a serious offence, and in 2017, when "bbc" is kinda fashionable, the prevalence of black-white mixed kids born was ~same. cuz exogamy is a behaviour and society is a blather, guess which comes later. [19:24]
asciilifeform: the actual reason is the one described in 'death of the american city' -- j00z & puritans allied to nuke the irish and polish catholics in usa [19:25]
mircea_popescu: sure. and ended up with vietnamese nationalism. [19:25]
asciilifeform: set up the necessary blathers, 'movements', etc. [19:25]
mircea_popescu: or w/e, serbs. [19:25]
mircea_popescu: trinque> I just beat his face in << better strategy. "bitch, by the time i'm done with you, your mom's gonna be begging to bring me my hat in her snatch every weekend after nine." [19:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741741 << this is pretty good tbh. [19:31]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 18:36 asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB [19:31]
asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform sawed ffa into independent subunits ( e.g. mults, bitops, divides, etc. ) for smooth compilation, reading, and blogomatics. [19:32]
mod6: cool [19:32]
asciilifeform: will become a series of essays-cum-coad [19:32]
asciilifeform: also moved from make to gprbuild [19:32]
asciilifeform: ( ditches the gnumake dependency, and much shorter and more makessensical process ) [19:33]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741759 << this is actually a good point. [19:33]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:38 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq. [19:33]
mircea_popescu: string is not a primitive! [19:33]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741773 << i thought this was the idea. [19:36]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 20:03 phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable* [19:36]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741789 << my bills for plastic surgery exceed my bills for vehicle mainenance. [19:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 20:17 phf: tits [19:41]
mircea_popescu: fuck, literally next line [19:42]
BingoBoingo: 4srs! [19:43]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741801 << this inept socialist empire's vehicular nonsense is starting to sound a lot like the fabled stories of teh romanian socialist republic. [19:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 22:50 ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years [19:43]
mircea_popescu: i tell the girls stories, you know, "to get a car in the 80s you had to deposit 80k lei in this so and so account, and then 8 to 18 months later they'd call you TO THE PLANT and you'd get, mostly, a car. of whatever color they had available and maybe with all the parts. there were no fucking showrooms or anything, people drove the car home 500 kms. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: and you showed up like for the draft, paper in hand and specified comcast-style times. "between 8 and 17". people fucking camped at the plant. [19:45]
asciilifeform: holyfuq that's fast [19:46]
asciilifeform: in su some folx waited decade+ [19:46]
mircea_popescu: ro had large factory at pitesti [19:46]
mircea_popescu: proportionally 10x than the ru things, because smaller pop. [19:46]
asciilifeform: i suspected. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: made to the tune of 1,5k a day or such, respectable altogether. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: (mostly 70s tech, no robotics, no etc.) [19:48]
asciilifeform: and while i'd hesitate to time travel to 'golden age' su, i'd almost happily move to shoemaker-era ro [19:48]
asciilifeform: quite civilized compared to current-day monkeylandia [19:48]
mircea_popescu: depends. 80s were insufferable (but, according to eg stanculescu, still better than ru). 70s were supposedly great. 60s ro was ahead of the post-war pack, but still... europe. even the french had malnutrition. [19:48]
mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH. [19:50]
asciilifeform: nifty. [19:50]
mircea_popescu: people did that sort of thing, back then. and all the fuckbook tards who paint the dude (rightfully or not, i don't give a shit) as the summum malum never as much as put together a fucking lego box. [19:50]
asciilifeform: which one is this, ro's eltsin ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu: so i do feel an inclination to just drive them over. [19:51]
mircea_popescu: nah [19:51]
mircea_popescu: lemme dig him up [19:51]
mircea_popescu: !~google liviu dragnea [19:52]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Liviu Dragnea - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Dragnea> Liviu Dragnea - POLITICO: <https://www.politico.eu/person/liviu-dragnea/> Liviu Dragnea - Home | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/liviudragnea.ro/> [19:52]
asciilifeform: how come hated ? [19:52]
mircea_popescu: !~google aro ims [19:53]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: ARO M461 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_M461> ARO IMS - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_IMS> ARO - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO> [19:53]
mircea_popescu: ^ there, suv. [19:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz head of the reds, ie, vaguely left-centrists. but rather, because somewhat opposite to usg party. [19:53]
asciilifeform: aaa [19:53]
asciilifeform: so Officially Bad [19:53]
mircea_popescu: well, facebook bad. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: they keep gaining majorities at the ballots. [19:54]
asciilifeform: and that thing looks quite drivable. something like a willis. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: it started as a straight gaz clone [19:54]
mircea_popescu: then the romanians added 10% hp / 10% speed etc five years later. then added 15% more five years later. and so on [19:55]
mircea_popescu: eventually late 70s incarnations looked exactly like the early nissan suvs. of the 90s. [19:55]
mircea_popescu: !~google aro 24 series [19:56]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: ARO 24 Series - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARO_24_Series> ARO 24 Series models - autoevolution: <https://www.autoevolution.com/aro/24-series/> ARO 24 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DlbswJ3_irRY> [19:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741804 << what's that, like 400 a month to lay down your head ? [19:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 23:05 BingoBoingo has today acquired place to office through December $311 bezzel bucks and place to sleep $400 through December 26th. [19:59]
BingoBoingo: Just about, in a hostel, during high tourist season. [19:59]
BingoBoingo: Sometime late february to March price goes down substantially [20:00]
mircea_popescu: not bad start. find a shared apt deal among the students after, will be cheaper in the sense of paying for itself via roommates. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: "rent is 100 but i don't have to spend 150 to get language lessons, o noes, im 50 in the green here" [20:01]
BingoBoingo: Right. This arrangement comes with roommates through accident of having booked bed at same place. Also comes with breakfast. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty good. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: ah if only i were young again! [20:02]
mircea_popescu: and all the world were new! [20:02]
mircea_popescu: an' hoot for boot an' horse, son, and... [20:02]
mircea_popescu: i forget the rest. [20:02]
BingoBoingo: Next nearest place with similar setup is on other side of Pocitos neightborhood, while this one is across street and around block from World Trade Center [20:02]
BingoBoingo: The co working space is a block still further. The mall is a block to the north. The Pocitos and Buceo playas are equidistant. [20:03]
mircea_popescu: so i go into shop that has you know, coffee toaster and a buncha nuts etc, and go "camarron ?" and the woman looks at me befuddled, so i'm like "semillas de camarron!" and she's eyeing me like wtf then realises. "maranon ?" [20:04]
mircea_popescu: "oh. yyyeeeah..." [20:04]
mircea_popescu: cafe trebol sa. would shrimp there again! [20:05]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, explaining to normal ordinary people in meatspace who Mircea Popescu is, is surprisingly simple. [20:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile original author found item for me : http://www.jeg.ro/titlul-mortii [20:08]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o ya ? [20:08]
mircea_popescu: oh, in other lulz : costa rica failed to send anyone to miss universe competition (some indian midget won in china). on the basis of observed data... this is correct. [20:08]
BingoBoingo: "He's a Romanian living in Costa Rica" "Why? Because he can. You would if you could too." [20:08]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo *you would if you could import the fresh tuna. [20:09]
BingoBoingo: Falls under could [20:09]
BingoBoingo: "How did he make his money?" "Communism fell, there was money running porn studios in the 1990's, and now he alternately builds and unbuilds empires" [20:10]
mod6: spare time deal [20:10]
asciilifeform: meeeaanwhile in failed experiments, asciilifeform tried to take an xray of the bolix-ivory die, so as to get moar realistic microscopy quote at some point. method : ra-226 capsule (commercial geiger test src), b&w 'polaroid' film. weakness turns out to be the latter : when developed using rolling pin, fixer pouch bursts, and result is liquishit [20:11]
mircea_popescu: bs polaroid. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: get proper bw film. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: and a bath, you won't die out of bw bathing ffs. [20:12]
asciilifeform: next will suggest , betcha, an actual xray machine [20:14]
asciilifeform: and dark room, lol. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: bathroom in most us places works as dark room, screw in red light plug the window if it exists. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: but, yes. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used to be reactives were expensive. no more. proper bath, listen to me. [20:15]
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sad_polaroid.jpg [20:15]
mircea_popescu: hela. [20:16]
asciilifeform: lol [20:16]
asciilifeform: btw this is approx same as what they look like if burst unexposed. [20:16]
asciilifeform: so can't even say anything re exposure. [20:16]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what reasoning would impel a sane fellow to use fucking polaroids auto-paper, when a bit of film would have about 9k x resolution ? [20:16]
mircea_popescu: if you're gonna do it like this, why not use a fridge. [20:17]
mircea_popescu: or a potato. [20:17]
mircea_popescu: roll some rexona on the chip and throw it against the wall. [20:17]
asciilifeform: polaroid actually is known to make ~decent adhoc ~beta~ ( the relevant particle, gamma goes ~right through without any useful effect ) film [20:18]
mircea_popescu: that's not a film, that's a print. [20:18]
mircea_popescu: film, you can project. [20:18]
asciilifeform: standard iso photofilm -- does not [20:18]
asciilifeform: print yes [20:18]
mircea_popescu: just get some fujiflm. [20:19]
asciilifeform: i'ma try it with b&w iso film next, because with what else. [20:19]
mircea_popescu: mind how you calc the distance. [20:20]
mircea_popescu: dja know how to calc teh distance ? [20:20]
asciilifeform: it's a contact print in either case [20:20]
asciilifeform: ( even in ideal case, will be a somewhat smudged contact print, because chip die is buried under a lid ) [20:21]
mircea_popescu: ah [20:21]
mircea_popescu: i thought you had it exposed. [20:21]
asciilifeform: nope, saving it for all-in-one microscopy go. [20:21]
mircea_popescu: yeah makes sense [20:21]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741925 << ooh neato ty [20:23]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 01:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile original author found item for me : http://www.jeg.ro/titlul-mortii [20:23]
asciilifeform: îţâşă!! [20:23]
mircea_popescu: (all the proposed definitions are at least somewhat reasonable) [20:23]
* asciilifeform picks 'Se referă la o femeie enervantă care pune prea multe întrebări, deşi nu va înţelege niciodată vreun răspuns.' [20:24]
mircea_popescu: lol. nb. [20:24]
mircea_popescu: (to keep form it has to be always feminine anyway, so this works surprisingly well) [20:24]
asciilifeform: lol! loox like i picked the winning horse... [20:25]
mircea_popescu: nah, strimb won. [20:25]
asciilifeform: ah hm yea [20:25]
* BingoBoingo to sober time, will likely blog update progress upon return [20:28]
asciilifeform: btw asciilifeform discovered that his bathroom makes an almost worthless dark room -- has window. and after eyes dilate can see that somewhere far away, faint headlights etc [20:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cut up cardboard, coupla inches larger than window, duct-tape on. [20:28]
asciilifeform: other find : 'scotch' tape is not usable in darkroom experiment : it triboluminesces [20:28]
asciilifeform: yea stuck doing sumthing with the window. [20:29]
mircea_popescu: duct tape. [20:29]
asciilifeform: all stickytape actually. [20:29]
mircea_popescu: also, shaving foam on the inside of doorway. [20:29]
mircea_popescu: holy shit turns out i know a lot about field developing. [20:29]
asciilifeform: doorway was ok, simply cut the lights in the rest of the house. [20:30]
mircea_popescu: oh cuz you have roof. [20:30]
asciilifeform: electrical tape for the idjit green led in the mains socket... [20:30]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lolwat do you mean 'have roof' ? indeed whole thing would be quite impossible outdoors [20:32]
asciilifeform: unless using one of those field darkroom sacks [20:32]
asciilifeform: ( prolly was the right item actually. that sack, with the arm sleeves ) [20:33]
mircea_popescu: just being silly. [20:33]
asciilifeform: hm, interestingly, the crapola inside polaroid is quite nasty, picture alkaline battery that's been rotting for 20 yrs [20:33]
mircea_popescu: ~only utility for those is "baby's first naked pic" back when they didn't shave, didn't suck cock and didn't habitually strip naked in company. [20:34]
asciilifeform: can't comment, i never in entire life owned the actual camera for them [20:34]
asciilifeform: always seemed like ripoff, 10-20x the cost of normal film [20:35]
mircea_popescu: for that exact reason. [20:38]
mircea_popescu: thinking abouthttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741970, "пизда îţâşă" would make a pretty decent sluttattoo. [20:42]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 01:24 asciilifeform picks 'Se referă la o femeie enervantă care pune prea multe întrebări, deşi nu va înţelege niciodată vreun răspuns.' [20:42]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [22:41]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8149.51, vol: 11587.60792112 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8168.4, vol: 61474.95293876 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8171.3, vol: 4269.44988224 | Volume-weighted last average: 8165.72958568 [22:42]
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats [22:57]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 495532 | Current Difficulty: 1.364422081125E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 495935 | Next Difficulty In: 403 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [22:57]
BingoBoingo: OMG Crashing, this is bullish for SegCrash [22:57]
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